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Shri Ganesha & Mooladhara Chakra

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Public program, "Shri Ganesha, Mooladhara Chakra" (Hindi). Bharat Vidya Bhavan, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India. 16 January 1979. Before delivering the speech, let me tell you, keep your hands like this and sit comfortably. And keep your attention towards me. Not here and there, that someone has come, some have gone. Don't put your attention here and there. Because we keep seeing others all the time, sometimes there should be time to look at ourselves too. Yesterday I told you about these chakras. Today I will talk to you about the chakra at the bottom which is called Ganesh Chakra. We believe in Ganesh ji, we also worship Ganesh ji. And they also know that there are Ashtavinayaks in Maharashtra, the eight Ganesha, have emerged from the earth element. But we know very little about this. And we do everything because our elders have told us. Seeing this fanaticism, people started saying that such, God, whom we cannot see, something is happening due to all blindness. So it is better that instead of not believing God in this way, we should work by keeping faith in ourselves. Now Ganesh is such a big thing, I will tell you about it now. Ganesha is a principal, an element. This is not a god etc. This is the one element, which is the element of God. That is the essence of purity. God created this Ganesh ji before creating this entire universe. Believe that first the purity was created in this world. No matter how much a person falls, no matter how much his condition deteriorates, no matter how much he invents God, he still knows this in his mind, recognizes him all the time, that I am doing some wrong thing. Why does this happen? How does man know that I am doing this wrong thing? Which element is hidden inside it, due to which he keeps on knowing all the time that I am not doing the right thing. There is a man who keeps bad eyes on someone's girl or looks at someone's wife with bad eyes or cheats on his wife. Or a wife cheats on her husband. Or some boy or girl cheats on their parents. Whether he does it secretly or even openly, but he keeps eating it in his mind, always eating this thing inside him, that I am doing this wrong thing. This happens in us because we have the element of Ganesha in us because here the four such squares which are made at the bottom, are Ganesha. The 51 elements in the earth element, the carbon in it. Ganesha is the element. As long as carbon is not present in any atom, in the molecule, then organisms cannot be born. That is, the first element of life is Ganesh Tattva. Purity is the first element of life. If any living being is born out of impurity and becomes in such a condition that purity has arisen from the world, then many evils come to mind. And as he becomes a bad sanskar, he becomes an animal human. Like I will tell you that, in western countries, their society is broken, families are broken and in this way the part of purity is broken. They consider it as their duty to live here unrighteously. They think that if we are shown by living unrighteously, then we have become kings and emperors. You people will not understand these things. Because you are beyond this. These people broke their Ganesh Tattva. Somehow destroy your inner purity. Then you can walk however you want. Somebody has to do the work of breaking it. This Ganesh Tattva which is in us, wherever it is, where it appears, it is called Pelvic Plexus. Due to which there are four types of sub-plexes inside us. From that one, reproduction takes place. One is the act of sex. There are minor doubts etc. from one, in this way the immersion activities are done. And these elements are like this, it is adorned by Ganesha. Is the principal of Ganesh ji. Ganesh ji is a child, an innocent child, which is called the embodiment of innocence. Ganesha is the embodiment of purity. When the real appearance of this element is awakened in us, then we cannot do impurity. There we cannot keep attention on impurity. But if it is eliminated, then we do all kinds of impurity. Like today we were asked some questions by some journalists, the right question was, 'Why do so many people from abroad come here and ask so much about sex, go to the gurus? What do you learn by going to the gurus who teach about sex?' They don't learn anything. There is no need to teach them. He is the maternal grandfather of the Gurus. Know them a thousand times more. Why do they come near them? The reason for this is that they want to break their Ganesh Tattva. They want that if some element of purity remains in us, then our mind will not be satisfied from within. In some way, we will not be able to live until this Ganesh element is completely broken by us. The struggle will always be there. We will always fight with you. The quarrel will continue. Because the purity which is within us will pull us and we will not be able to run away from it. That's why they need a guru. That's why they need a guru, that they should break this Ganesha. And these gurus also do such a thing, that the places they have, which we consider as holy places, they spoil it. By spoiling them and breaking the Ganesh Tattva. Ganesh Tattva | As soon as you broke it, the fragrance of purity also went away from inside you, then do whatever business you want. Pay money for this. Pay a lot of money. give so much money, that the gurus have become rich today. Those who did not have a house to live in, they have mansions. What is the fault of God in this? What is the fault of God in this? It has given you one of the most precious things, purity. It should be enjoyed. You haven't been able to enjoy your purity yet. Hey, if your sari is white, beautiful and there is no stain on it, then how much a person wears it with pleasure and others are also happy to see it. But if the life of a person is very pure, and only purity flows from his life, how happy will the life of such a person be?It is a matter of understanding and thinking. Now you imagine that there are no mothers and sisters left in society. So you don't deserve to stand anywhere. Therefore, when these things start breaking down in these countries, then they quarrel with their own sanctity and when they clash with this, then you should add some other arrangement to avoid that. Because it feels strange looking at yourself in the mirror all the time. What to do? The man starts to panic, that oh my God, where am I getting caught in the web of impurity! Like a crocodile is eating you. No matter how wicked a man is, if he is in an awakened state, then it is very difficult for him to become pure. So how to do it now? So he thinks, come on, let's drink some wine. By which will you be saved. To do wrong. It is said that if you drink some alcohol, then they will be saved from themselves. It does not have to be seen that we have committed impurity. Somebody tries to run away from himself. If he doesn't run, he gets tense. Our fathers never had any tension. Still tell the old people that we got tension. So they say, 'What happened? Did you lift the pitcher and go to fill the water?' Those people do not understand this modern ..... that tension has come, why will tension come, brother? Because when you run away from your reality, then you are bound to get tense. If you are standing on your reality then why should you worry? Imagine, a truck parked on one side instead of the car park. So will he get tense or not? If a man is on his own… there is no question of any tension. Stand on it properly, the purity that God has given to us, so now look carefully to see that the place of Ganesh ji has been made under the Kundalini. Why did he do it? God made a child sit under the Kundalini. Since the child does not know what sex is, Ganesha is very dear to the mother. They don't even know Shiva except Mother, no one knows. Purity does not know anything except the mother. Purity has a power of its own, who knows his mother. The son has been placed there, so he should protect his mother. Your mother is Kundalini. And under it the childishness, your innocence, the purity of yours, God has placed it, to protect it, this mother. Those who pick up on Kundalini sex, they will have sex on the mother. You will accept this thing. I ask the Indian people, if anyone believes this thing. But after going to the gurus, they do this business, morning till evening. Many such, dirty people have come out today. All these are old tantriks, re-born demons. The kind of dirty things you are doing in the world, it is abusive in your own country, even thinking of such dirty things. The relationship of this Ganesha element, this purity has not been shaken so far in India. We all understand our mother. We remember Shastri ji, who was 65 years old, used to wake up early in the morning and lie down with his mother for a while. And after that he used to get up and do all his work again. When he died suddenly, his mother could not understand anything, his brain was completely blank. She started saying, It can't be like this. Even today in the morning he used to come and lie down with me. Somebody will believe this? Can any mother keep her 12 year old child with her? These western countries that you guys are following where you encourage your girls to wear pant-shirts and move around. Have some shame and see how bad the people of that country are. Do you guys have to be like them? No mother is ready to make a 12 year old boy sleep with her. She says that by this …. this will happen. Do you understand these people? That's why sir, God sent me to London to see where you guys are running. I do not want advancement, for you people in this country. If I had not gone there, I would neither understand him nor see him. You will not believe it, every man has that feeling, every man has that feeling. Every mother has this feeling. Anyone can think of this. Mothers are also sitting here, sons are also sitting here. These people are so disgusting. We have nothing to learn from them. And that is because their souls are getting destroyed from within, so they are coming here to destroy them completely. Their gurus either impersonate them with some ghost, get them memorized, some people break their Ganesh tattva. Till today has there been any teacher in the world who said that purity is the highest thing in the world? Has anyone said? These new people have come out from somewhere, they should ask, brother, where are you from? These bad gurus are demons. Ravana had also accepted this fact that Sita should not be touched. Even he was afraid of purity. It is one level above them. This is the Ganesh Tattva, which God has given to you, that you should protect the Kundalini, which is your own mother and which is different for each one of us. It is sitting, and waiting for that day you are going to be reborn, the day you are going to get realization, then she will get up on her own and get you across. It is said that in order to get this Ganesha element, Brahma, Vishnu also lost. Ganesha is considered as the highest God and first of all. Because he is very holy. The one who is the purest of all in the child form is Shri Ganesha.Aa you may know when Dattatreya was also created, the Guru Tattva which belongs to Dattatreya ji, when he was created, he was also made a very small child. That innocence, that purity in a small child, where he does not see the difference, what is man and woman! He doesn't even know what impurity is. Or what is sin? So stay away from doing it. God has given you such beautiful purity. But we do not show that gratitude, that he has given us this purity, due to which we are still pure. India is the most beautiful land on this earth. Ganesh resides in every particle of it. Due to the fragrance of this, this Lord Ganesha element has been created in us. Keep it clean, keep it organized. This should be in our behaviour. Those who become ill-tempered, whose eyes start moving here and there, their chakra gets spoiled. Many diseases can be caused due to this. And there are other diseases, such as if someone becomes constipated, someone else get in trouble. Whatever happens through this chakra, it is not necessary that the person should be impure. But also because of other reasons these may happen, like we have seven chakras, isn't it? One of them is for purity. These diseases occur due to any number of other reasons. So now Kundalini is sitting in the middle. You cannot reach Ganesh. So how will Kundalini rise? When you are now sitting with hands towards me, the five fingers in your hand are these five elements. Through these fingers, now the news goes to Kundalini, the message goes, 'Yes, now you have come, those who know what Kundalini is?The one who recognizes me. Your Kundalini recognizes me. As soon as the news reached, so did the whispers. But first the news goes to Ganesha. He says to the mother, 'Okay, now stand up, come on.' Surprisingly, the speed at which the Kundalini rises in this country, did not happen in other countries.My hands are tired. I got fed up. I told the sahib, 'When will I go to my country?' My hands are tired. Yet three hundred men have got their self-realization over here. They got wisdom and changed their lifestyle. And those simple people are also saints and sages. Because they got confused. And these rascals went and told them wrong things, so they were doing wrong things.The sanctity of our country should be maintained. This is the biggest strength of our country, that we believe in purity. There is no power to eat or drink. Hitler covered the whole world. But he could not come to India. The British fled from here after ruling for so many days. No one has taken away our purity.Now you are going to become English? Have some shame. It just so happened that Bulbul would say, 'Why am I not an owl?' Where is that and where are you! There is nothing to be learned from them. That's what I say sometimes, that they are donkeys with rump cut off. There is no wisdom in them. There is no wisdom. There is no wisdom.To understand the matter that without purity what else is important in the world. Now this is the condition in our country, that among the people of our age, when we were under the British, we firmly thought that what is our Indian culture, what is our power?All Hindus, Muslims, Parsis all got involved in this. Gandhiji also had leadership. What is our country? What is the wealth of our country? Find out what its power is. As soon as we became independent, the brain itself got corrupted.Now if you start speaking anything to anyone in Sanskrit, then we are gone. Somebody has started telling that what our wealth is, then from the work we have done. Now how many big people of Jana Sangh I met, I asked them, 'Do you know anything? Have you read Adi Shankaracharya? They say”No.” 'Who did you read?' Did someone become a Jana Sanghi after studying Rajneesh and becoming a Jana Sangh? Who are your people? What is your power? What is ours? No one knows that. He doesn't even know his mother. Where is this yogi? Where will the love come from? From where will their compassion come?Oh, this is such a land that gold can be spewed from here. This is that land, from here the whole world is going to be led. The whole world can touch your feet. But you don't know anything about your country, about your wealth. Many people ask me, 'What is Kundalini? Is this Kundali and Kundalini the same mother?' And these people who are foreigners have read them all. Yes, this is definitely a thing. Those people are ours, there is nothing difficult in talking to them. Everything has been read. Having reached that verge, where to go, that this thing which we have been doing till date and the materialism in which we have been sitting and thought that by this materialism we will become very rich. But that’s not the thing. We are very sad, very sad.Is there a man who can be found, whose eyes do not twitch, whose head does not move around, whose hands do not tremble? It is difficult. If there is one, he is mounted on the head and the other is sitting, it is difficult to find a middle man. When they talk to each other, it seems that they bark.Never understand, keep barking, what happened brother? Never speak softly. Their mind has become so bad, that they are so worried about money that a……Let's say a pie is like itself.If the price of bread increases, then everyone's condition is bad. Because their women do not know how to make bread. The whole government will be shaken. You will add every penny like this, you are such a miser. American people are so stingy, you will be surprised, being with so much money, but no one will ever spend a single penny.Another thing if you want to listen. There is money for useless business. But these miserly people, adding every single penny and if you ever go into their house, they will not even ask for water. They do not have the sense to offer tea and water. You ask them to have some tea, they are scared. Thinking that, are they not giving us any poison?I am telling you the whole inside thing. Once, I saw the big Lord. A seventy-two-year-old woman fell from the horse. I said to the old lady, 'What is the need to ride a horse? When you are seventy-two years old, will you ride on a horse?' Her husband said, 'We have become a little old. What if we fall?' I said, 'You too climb and fall.' He is seventy-five years old.There are young people there, where the old people have been sheltered. They don't care about them. Do not see them. It doesn't make any sense to them. By the way, a sample is being made here too. They beat up children day and night and kill children. They kill children directly. Mother says that they killed them. What a violence there?You'd be surprised if I told you. No one can even think like this here. They find new ways to kill people. There, they even steal the bank. They had made a good way of that too. The scriptures were created with everyone. The scriptures for each and everything, make up the scriptures for each violence.We were just watching a man stealing a bank on TV. He said while watching, the magistrate was there, 'Look, I jumped out of the window.' 'How?' 'Opened the window and jumped.' He appeared on the TV, and he was saying as if he was a hero with no shame, Also saying where did he enter, and from where he broke into the bank. People are hijacking now. They think that they have become very skilful like Rana Pratap in hijacking. Where is our Rana Pratap and where is this junk, Mawali people. At least in our country no one considers Mawali as a hero. Yes, their photos will be printed. I am telling you the story so that you understand what you have.You can't get it after you lose it. This thing is such that the day it is lost you will not find it. That's why when you are doing your development, don't women wear pants and men wear saris. Just wait and see, where are those people? Which pit have you fallen into? And there is no need to fall straight into this pit. Their Ganesh Tattva is broken. Nothing named Ganesha was left with them.There is no such thing as purity. And the Indians who go from here, the new Muslims eat more onions. They are more foolish than them. And when they come here they teach us wisdom. I am surprised to see it myself. Are they educated?If by reading and writing a person can become so foolish, impure, then it is better not to read so much. The one who did not save this Ganesha element never had his Kundalini would never happen.People say, 'Everyone has theirs'. I said, 'How do I do it?' Because if you do not have purity in you, then if you are sitting with your hands in front of me, then is there someone going to take the message here? Ganesh ji is sleeping. He is in sleep. How do I wake him up?However, I rarely find such in Indians. Happens for some other reason. But it doesn't happen in the least. Mother and sister, everyone is taken care of. But there it is, the one with the mad fun. Girls are like this, boys are like that too. Now these boys of today are roaming like big heroes, they will be the same examples tomorrow.Nothing in your education system should be taught in them that purity should be kept within. Everything has its own civilization here. While getting up in the morning, we should remember God that, 'Lord, keep our purity.' At every step we should see that we keep on saving ourselves. Kabir has said that ‘बास कबीर जतन पे ओढी, जैसी थी तैसी रखदिनी चदरियाँ। ‘ . And this is very easy. Difficult to do that. I told you only yesterday, that you have to drink only alcohol, so it is difficult.Take money out of your pocket first. Just find the alcoholic, and find the liquor store. If you don't know what kind of liquor it is, then you will become a fool. Is it difficult to do a sinful act or to remain pure?Let us assume If you want to kill someone.So for him first bring a knife, bring this, bring that. Get some guns, etc. Choose the place. Do this, do that. And what's the use of killing then? Then go to jail. Human being does not think of one simple thing. Which sin is easier to do? Tell me this.But do we have to do all the difficult work from here? But the people there take pleasure in committing sinful deeds. You must have heard by now that many people killed themselves in Vienna. This is the second sample. Either man kills another or he kills himself. When you have a violent tendency, if you cannot kill others, then kill yourself.The way to kill yourself is to drink alcohol, smoke a cigarette and what else. Kill yourself. You make cancer, so cancer is there. They started saying, cancer happened, so what happened? Ok. Bulls come to kill me and go on dragging. Needless to take the calamity. Isn’t it? What is the big thing in this bitterness?You will be surprised to know that these people are poor. We are not poor. That's why I tell you, what do you have with you except plastic? If there is such a small brass vessel, then ten times they will show it by shining it. I said, 'We people eat food in brass, what are they showing us.' They said, 'Well, you guys are very rich.' And we think, eating in stainless steel is the sign of a big rich. . Those people ask, 'Why do you eat food in stainless steel even though you are so rich? Why do you wear nylons when you have cotton sarees and silk sarees?' They do not understand how stupid they are!These are signs of poverty. There, the person who is very poor will wear only nylons. If some cotton is mixed in it, then it is good. When I tell people in my country, they do not believe it. In the country where these things have flowed, they are so drowned in it, that they say, what is there in all these artificial things?Better than that, be a natural thing. take that one. All the women who are sitting here today must have so much gold with them. With them, no one has gold etc. There are such people who even crave for a bit of gold.We are not poor? If we have two cotton saris, even the big nobles there will not have two cotton clothes. And the price of cotton is so much there, you will not believe that the voiles that I wear here, I have seen its price there, about two and a half hundred rupees for a yard.But we do not value our things. Because we don't know ourselves. We do not recognize ourselves. Whatever we had is lost because of the British. And now these Britishers who have come here, they drowned more money. It does not relate to any Hindu or Muslim religion.This is the culture of our country, it is for everyone. Everyone knows mother and sister. One day we landed a ship, its name was Vishnumangal. So what did an Englishman mean to us? So everyone started scratching their heads about what is the meaning of Mangal in English. Those people asked whether there is any good or bad for them. It is not known what eats the innocence in those people.You are very naive in front of them. They know how to make money by fooling. Today their children are roaming around like ghosts by making money. They come here too. Some are sitting in Kashi. If you also want to make your children into ghosts, then follow them. This is the essence of Ganesha, it has been established in us by God. Especially given to the Indian people. If you people are also not able to tell this, then you will disappear from the world. It is the responsibility of Indians to preserve purity. And increase its glory and it’s fame.Consider that we have a great wealth in keeping ourselves pure. Many said, 'Mother, how is the Ganesha element instilled in us?' Right now you are, mostly, much younger than us in age. But when we were little, our parents used to tell that boys and girls have to keep their eyes on the earth.Always walk with your eyes down. Ramchandra ji asked Lakshman ji, 'Can you give some description of your sister-in-law?' So he started saying, 'No, we have only seen her feet’. We can describe that. And we can recognize the jewellery on her feet. We have not looked above this. Because this element is made from the earth element itself.The earth itself has given this element of Ganesha within us. Because we have all the elements inside us. So whatever the element of the earth is in our body, it is moving all these elements. Therefore, when this element gets spoiled, or gets contaminated, when a person goes on the wrong path due to wrongdoing, then you see, the diseases which mostly happen to us, they come out in the form of boils inside us. Because our earth element gets spoiled.That is why it is said that one should walk on the earth. One should walk barefoot. From this the earth element which is there, always removes the evils that are within us. I went to Kuala Lumpur. The one who is a teacher there, a program was held in his house. Thousands of men came there, and most were sick.I thought, my……. There is no Sahaja Yoga here, so many people have come here. , how do I fix them? He had a very nice garden here. I said, sit down with everyone in this garden, on the ground. And I awakened the earth element. I said, pull their pain. sour. There was a Sardarji. His son had polio. He got up and started walking.In this way, the earth element is of great importance. But here you are pure, only then can you tell Mother Earth to move on. Only Sita ji can say, 'Take me in your stomach.' Can men say that? For her only the earth element opens up, and is contained within itself. That's why it came out of the earth element, this Ganesh element which is there, this is the real Ganesha.There is nothing false in this. But what people sell in their homes by making these idols are all dirty idols. The purchased idol should never be worshiped. People take it negatively when I say the right thing. The feeling of the one who makes, is that he has to sell it. Can one who sells such a god be entitled to make an idol?This must be understood that the Ganesha's ride is a mouse which is very symbolic. Look, this is also a wonderful thing. Here you have a very symbolic form. The ride on the mice. How much humility should be there. Because he is the greatest god, he rides on a mouse. If you see, when people earn two paise here, then think of buying a bigger car.They will walk around with eyebrows in front of everyone. They will show off their wealth. Even if it is only black money, or whether it was stolen from someone or robbed from someone by becoming a guru. Everything has to be shown to the world. Lord Ganesha is the master of all wisdom and all intelligence. He just wants to have a mouse. His vehicle is the simplest of all. This is a very big thing. How much humility should there be?The man who has intelligence, he understands who you are giving an impression here with these external devices. If you have a motor then you will. How will it benefit you! Wearing the clothes of the external, showing it to the people of the outside, these are not signs of purity. Mostly you will see that there are cinema actresses who will walk around wearing white saris. No one becomes pure by walking around carrying the signs of purity above. Purity is something inside. For humans, their holiness is always with them.Not for anyone else. Whatever is holy is inside. It is not external. This is not for showing off. Many others have looted the world by showing off and by harassing. Purity is our own thing. Your private thing. There is no need to even talk about it. It appears and it’s brightness is visible from your face.When a woman is pure, it is immediately visible that this woman is pure. And men are also afraid of it, they live by it. A man like Ravana got scared. In your country, people do not understand that it is very important for them to remain pure. They say that only women have taken the contract of purity.The day man will understand this, on that day there will be balance in our social system. Otherwise, look at the women of England, everyone has been corrected. Good conditions have been created for all the men. They keep working hard day and night in Bun's house. Women are sitting on his head.That is why it is the duty of every man to protect the purity of the woman who is in his house, to admire her purity and to become pure himself and to glorify her purity.If ten women are pure and their husbands are not pure, then five out of ten will surely be spoiled. Thinking that if our husbands are not walking on the straight path, why are we staying well? And if you are pure then you do not give this to anyone. You have this purity for yourself. We holy human beings live with this enlightenment.This becomes human being's pride. Shastri ji has an example in front of you. He lived in this world only for a few days. But even today people start crying on hearing his name. Even after his death, no one took out books against him, saying that he used to run after this woman, and was doing wrong things. When we are talking about these frivolous things in our life, then we will take it out after life. No one respects such a man.Word of mouth. You can see anyone. If you have put such a work in front of you, 'Yes, how are you? You were a great leader. You will say behind your back, 'Hey, he is a very bad man. Leave it Not fit to take your wife and children. Why did you invite him to the house?’You know they will say things like this. You guys also say the same, don't you?Then it should be like this in your life also, that people say that 'man is such that if you see in the morning, then ahaha! Where did these gods come from?' But you think that that person should be another. I would say why you are not like this. Every man can be like this. If yes, then his Kundalini should be awakened and he should cross and establish himself.How powerful if our country becomes, on the day when we change ourselves completely and stand on the axis of purity. Even if you belong to royal law, bureaucratic law, horse royal law, cart royal law, it will not make any difference in your country. Hukumshahi Lav and what are the royals. Nothing is going to get better from this.Unless a man stands on his holiness, he cannot be free. Purity gives you freedom. Otherwise you are in bondage of impurity. Have you ever seen how impurity grips you? How does poverty catch you from all sides? You can't even walk anywhere.Until this beautiful thing is completely illuminated in you, till that fragrance does not spread in you. Till then there is no goal of your life. And it's that simple. There is no need to spend any money for this. There's no need to go anywhere. No need to ask anyone. This is within you for free.You have to find it and know it. Then when you are fine, your children will be fine too. Many people also tell me that Mother, such a problem has come in India. Because cinema is bad. You also watch movies. That cinema cannot run, which is not of family. So remove the bad things in family cinema. Which spoils your children. Just refuse it. No, we don't want this thing in it. Our country is run by family. If someone is intelligent, then he makes a family cinema, in which all the families can come. If one person comes to look at a cinema, in whose cinema will he come? If you come stealthily, then in whom will you come? The only ones who can go openly to watch cinema, only those will run in our country.t is a different matter for other countries. Seeing himself within himself, man should create his own purity and worship it. When we worship Ganesha, then we should think that, 'O Ganesha, you should also awaken within us, completely.' Only by doing this, in this way you will see that your whole life can change. In Sahaja Yoga, when the Kundalini is awakened, the first one is awakened, that is Ganesha. Without them, Kundalini does not wake up. If a person does not have a trace of purity, then there are they are not humans, they are only demons, most of them are like this. There is no such thing in which even a fraction of purity is left. But if there is not such a purity, then there is no arrangement for Kundalini awakening in it.Those who come after going to such gurus, whose Ganesh Tattva is broken, they also hardly cross. It hurts a lot. But we should give realization to them too. And they become realized. This first element is very important. By saluting him you should go into meditation. And even after being crossed, this element should be taken care of above all.He should not tell anyone that he has to take care of himself. Just like the biggest wealth in the world, the biggest diamond you have, is to be chanted in the same way. I am not telling anything new. And the old thing is not pleasing to the people these days. But what is real is always new. Because the false thing stands up and disappears and the real thing remains forever.That is why it is called the imperishable truth. Today I have spoken on the same chakra. Apart from this, now you people have to cross everyone and you all want a lot. We will meditate by worshiping Ganesha. But first if you have to ask a question, then ask. Question: (Unclear) Shri Mataji: Yes, that has to be done. There is a lot of difference in its method, as you have been doing till date, it is not like that.After getting realization, you can understand which of your chakra is caught. Because burning starts in your fingers where the chakra is caught. Which are these chakras? Which is the sympathetic chakra? As the Ganesha Tattva is here, this Ganesha's chakra is here. But if it gets caught up, gets caught in the left or gets caught in the right, then what are the faults with it? Then how should it be fixed?If you understand that your Ganesh Tattva has been caught, then you should worship Ganesh ji and correct your Ganesh Tattva. But if any other chakra is caught, then it should be worshipped by you and it should be cured. But to cure Ganesh Tattva, it is not necessary that you worship Lord Ganesha only. If you are right from Ganesh ji's side and if Ganesh ji doesn't want to do it, then it will happen even if you do purity. There is no difference between purity and Ganesha.

Public program, "Shri Ganesha, Mooladhara Chakra" (Hindi). Bharat Vidya Bhavan, Mumbai, Maharashtra, India. 16 January 1979. Before delivering the speech, let me tell you, keep your hands like this and sit comfortably. And keep your attention towards me. Not here and there, that someone has come, some have gone. Don't put your attention here and there. Because we keep seeing others all the time, sometimes there should be time to look at ourselves too. Yesterday I told you about these chakras. Today I will talk to you about the chakra at the bottom which is called Ganesh Chakra. We believe in Ganesh ji, we also worship Ganesh ji. And they also know that there are Ashtavinayaks in Maharashtra, the eight Ganesha, have emerged from the earth element. But we know very little about this. And we do everything because our elders have told us. Seeing this fanaticism, people started saying that such, God, whom we cannot see, something is happening due to all blindness. So it is better that instead of not believing God in this way, we should work by keeping faith in ourselves. Now Ganesh is such a big thing, I will tell you about it now. Ganesha is a principal, an element. This is not a god etc. This is the one element, which is the element of God. That is the essence of purity. God created this Ganesh ji before creating this entire universe. Believe that first the purity was created in this world. No matter how much a person falls, no matter how much his condition deteriorates, no matter how much he invents God, he still knows this in his mind, recognizes him all the time, that I am doing some wrong thing. Why does this happen? How does man know that I am doing this wrong thing? Which element is hidden inside it, due to which he keeps on knowing all the time that I am not doing the right thing. There is a man who keeps bad eyes on someone's girl or looks at someone's wife with bad eyes or cheats on his wife. Or a wife cheats on her husband. Or some boy or girl cheats on their parents. Whether he does it secretly or even openly, but he keeps eating it in his mind, always eating this thing inside him, that I am doing this wrong thing. This happens in us because we have the element of Ganesha in us because here the four such squares which are made at the bottom, are Ganesha. The 51 elements in the earth element, the carbon in it. Ganesha is the element. As long as carbon is not present in any atom, in the molecule, then organisms cannot be born. That is, the first element of life is Ganesh Tattva. Purity is the first element of life. If any living being is born out of impurity and becomes in such a condition that purity has arisen from the world, then many evils come to mind. And as he becomes a bad sanskar, he becomes an animal human. Like I will tell you that, in western countries, their society is broken, families are broken and in this way the part of purity is broken. They consider it as their duty to live here unrighteously. They think that if we are shown by living unrighteously, then we have become kings and emperors. You people will not understand these things. Because you are beyond this. These people broke their Ganesh Tattva. Somehow destroy your inner purity. Then you can walk however you want. Somebody has to do the work of breaking it. This Ganesh Tattva which is in us, wherever it is, where it appears, it is called Pelvic Plexus. Due to which there are four types of sub-plexes inside us. From that one, reproduction takes place. One is the act of sex. There are minor doubts etc. from one, in this way the immersion activities are done. And these elements are like this, it is adorned by Ganesha. Is the principal of Ganesh ji. Ganesh ji is a child, an innocent child, which is called the embodiment of innocence. Ganesha is the embodiment of purity. When the real appearance of this element is awakened in us, then we cannot do impurity. There we cannot keep attention on impurity. But if it is eliminated, then we do all kinds of impurity. Like today we were asked some questions by some journalists, the right question was, 'Why do so many people from abroad come here and ask so much about sex, go to the gurus? What do you learn by going to the gurus who teach about sex?' They don't learn anything. There is no need to teach them. He is the maternal grandfather of the Gurus. Know them a thousand times more. Why do they come near them? The reason for this is that they want to break their Ganesh Tattva. They want that if some element of purity remains in us, then our mind will not be satisfied from within. In some way, we will not be able to live until this Ganesh element is completely broken by us. The struggle will always be there. We will always fight with you. The quarrel will continue. Because the purity which is within us will pull us and we will not be able to run away from it. That's why they need a guru. That's why they need a guru, that they should break this Ganesha. And these gurus also do such a thing, that the places they have, which we consider as holy places, they spoil it. By spoiling them and breaking the Ganesh Tattva. Ganesh Tattva | As soon as you broke it, the fragrance of purity also went away from inside you, then do whatever business you want. Pay money for this. Pay a lot of money. give so much money, that the gurus have become rich today. Those who did not have a house to live in, they have mansions. What is the fault of God in this? What is the fault of God in this? It has given you one of the most precious things, purity. It should be enjoyed. You haven't been able to enjoy your purity yet. Hey, if your sari is white, beautiful and there is no stain on it, then how much a person wears it with pleasure and others are also happy to see it. But if the life of a person is very pure, and only purity flows from his life, how happy will the life of such a person be?It is a matter of understanding and thinking. Now you imagine that there are no mothers and sisters left in society. So you don't deserve to stand anywhere. Therefore, when these things start breaking down in these countries, then they quarrel with their own sanctity and when they clash with this, then you should add some other arrangement to avoid that. Because it feels strange looking at yourself in the mirror all the time. What to do? The man starts to panic, that oh my God, where am I getting caught in the web of impurity! Like a crocodile is eating you. No matter how wicked a man is, if he is in an awakened state, then it is very difficult for him to become pure. So how to do it now? So he thinks, come on, let's drink some wine. By which will you be saved. To do wrong. It is said that if you drink some alcohol, then they will be saved from themselves. It does not have to be seen that we have committed impurity. Somebody tries to run away from himself. If he doesn't run, he gets tense. Our fathers never had any tension. Still tell the old people that we got tension. So they say, 'What happened? Did you lift the pitcher and go to fill the water?' Those people do not understand this modern ..... that tension has come, why will tension come, brother? Because when you run away from your reality, then you are bound to get tense. If you are standing on your reality then why should you worry? Imagine, a truck parked on one side instead of the car park. So will he get tense or not? If a man is on his own… there is no question of any tension. Stand on it properly, the purity that God has given to us, so now look carefully to see that the place of Ganesh ji has been made under the Kundalini. Why did he do it? God made a child sit under the Kundalini. Since the child does not know what sex is, Ganesha is very dear to the mother. They don't even know Shiva except Mother, no one knows. Purity does not know anything except the mother. Purity has a power of its own, who knows his mother. The son has been placed there, so he should protect his mother. Your mother is Kundalini. And under it the childishness, your innocence, the purity of yours, God has placed it, to protect it, this mother. Those who pick up on Kundalini sex, they will have sex on the mother. You will accept this thing. I ask the Indian people, if anyone believes this thing. But after going to the gurus, they do this business, morning till evening. Many such, dirty people have come out today. All these are old tantriks, re-born demons. The kind of dirty things you are doing in the world, it is abusive in your own country, even thinking of such dirty things. The relationship of this Ganesha element, this purity has not been shaken so far in India. We all understand our mother. We remember Shastri ji, who was 65 years old, used to wake up early in the morning and lie down with his mother for a while. And after that he used to get up and do all his work again. When he died suddenly, his mother could not understand anything, his brain was completely blank. She started saying, It can't be like this. Even today in the morning he used to come and lie down with me. Somebody will believe this? Can any mother keep her 12 year old child with her? These western countries that you guys are following where you encourage your girls to wear pant-shirts and move around. Have some shame and see how bad the people of that country are. Do you guys have to be like them? No mother is ready to make a 12 year old boy sleep with her. She says that by this …. this will happen. Do you understand these people? That's why sir, God sent me to London to see where you guys are running. I do not want advancement, for you people in this country. If I had not gone there, I would neither understand him nor see him. You will not believe it, every man has that feeling, every man has that feeling. Every mother has this feeling. Anyone can think of this. Mothers are also sitting here, sons are also sitting here. These people are so disgusting. We have nothing to learn from them. And that is because their souls are getting destroyed from within, so they are coming here to destroy them completely. Their gurus either impersonate them with some ghost, get them memorized, some people break their Ganesh tattva. Till today has there been any teacher in the world who said that purity is the highest thing in the world? Has anyone said? These new people have come out from somewhere, they should ask, brother, where are you from? These bad gurus are demons. Ravana had also accepted this fact that Sita should not be touched. Even he was afraid of purity. It is one level above them. This is the Ganesh Tattva, which God has given to you, that you should protect the Kundalini, which is your own mother and which is different for each one of us. It is sitting, and waiting for that day you are going to be reborn, the day you are going to get realization, then she will get up on her own and get you across. It is said that in order to get this Ganesha element, Brahma, Vishnu also lost. Ganesha is considered as the highest God and first of all. Because he is very holy. The one who is the purest of all in the child form is Shri Ganesha.Aa you may know when Dattatreya was also created, the Guru Tattva which belongs to Dattatreya ji, when he was created, he was also made a very small child. That innocence, that purity in a small child, where he does not see the difference, what is man and woman! He doesn't even know what impurity is. Or what is sin? So stay away from doing it. God has given you such beautiful purity. But we do not show that gratitude, that he has given us this purity, due to which we are still pure. India is the most beautiful land on this earth. Ganesh resides in every particle of it. Due to the fragrance of this, this Lord Ganesha element has been created in us. Keep it clean, keep it organized. This should be in our behaviour. Those who become ill-tempered, whose eyes start moving here and there, their chakra gets spoiled. Many diseases can be caused due to this. And there are other diseases, such as if someone becomes constipated, someone else get in trouble. Whatever happens through this chakra, it is not necessary that the person should be impure. But also because of other reasons these may happen, like we have seven chakras, isn't it? One of them is for purity. These diseases occur due to any number of other reasons. So now Kundalini is sitting in the middle. You cannot reach Ganesh. So how will Kundalini rise? When you are now sitting with hands towards me, the five fingers in your hand are these five elements. Through these fingers, now the news goes to Kundalini, the message goes, 'Yes, now you have come, those who know what Kundalini is?The one who recognizes me. Your Kundalini recognizes me. As soon as the news reached, so did the whispers. But first the news goes to Ganesha. He says to the mother, 'Okay, now stand up, come on.' Surprisingly, the speed at which the Kundalini rises in this country, did not happen in other countries.My hands are tired. I got fed up. I told the sahib, 'When will I go to my country?' My hands are tired. Yet three hundred men have got their self-realization over here. They got wisdom and changed their lifestyle. And those simple people are also saints and sages. Because they got confused. And these rascals went and told them wrong things, so they were doing wrong things.The sanctity of our country should be maintained. This is the biggest strength of our country, that we believe in purity. There is no power to eat or drink. Hitler covered the whole world. But he could not come to India. The British fled from here after ruling for so many days. No one has taken away our purity.Now you are going to become English? Have some shame. It just so happened that Bulbul would say, 'Why am I not an owl?' Where is that and where are you! There is nothing to be learned from them. That's what I say sometimes, that they are donkeys with rump cut off. There is no wisdom in them. There is no wisdom. There is no wisdom.To understand the matter that without purity what else is important in the world. Now this is the condition in our country, that among the people of our age, when we were under the British, we firmly thought that what is our Indian culture, what is our power?All Hindus, Muslims, Parsis all got involved in this. Gandhiji also had leadership. What is our country? What is the wealth of our country? Find out what its power is. As soon as we became independent, the brain itself got corrupted.Now if you start speaking anything to anyone in Sanskrit, then we are gone. Somebody has started telling that what our wealth is, then from the work we have done. Now how many big people of Jana Sangh I met, I asked them, 'Do you know anything? Have you read Adi Shankaracharya? They say”No.” 'Who did you read?' Did someone become a Jana Sanghi after studying Rajneesh and becoming a Jana Sangh? Who are your people? What is your power? What is ours? No one knows that. He doesn't even know his mother. Where is this yogi? Where will the love come from? From where will their compassion come?Oh, this is such a land that gold can be spewed from here. This is that land, from here the whole world is going to be led. The whole world can touch your feet. But you don't know anything about your country, about your wealth. Many people ask me, 'What is Kundalini? Is this Kundali and Kundalini the same mother?' And these people who are foreigners have read them all. Yes, this is definitely a thing. Those people are ours, there is nothing difficult in talking to them. Everything has been read. Having reached that verge, where to go, that this thing which we have been doing till date and the materialism in which we have been sitting and thought that by this materialism we will become very rich. But that’s not the thing. We are very sad, very sad.Is there a man who can be found, whose eyes do not twitch, whose head does not move around, whose hands do not tremble? It is difficult. If there is one, he is mounted on the head and the other is sitting, it is difficult to find a middle man. When they talk to each other, it seems that they bark.Never understand, keep barking, what happened brother? Never speak softly. Their mind has become so bad, that they are so worried about money that a……Let's say a pie is like itself.If the price of bread increases, then everyone's condition is bad. Because their women do not know how to make bread. The whole government will be shaken. You will add every penny like this, you are such a miser. American people are so stingy, you will be surprised, being with so much money, but no one will ever spend a single penny.Another thing if you want to listen. There is money for useless business. But these miserly people, adding every single penny and if you ever go into their house, they will not even ask for water. They do not have the sense to offer tea and water. You ask them to have some tea, they are scared. Thinking that, are they not giving us any poison?I am telling you the whole inside thing. Once, I saw the big Lord. A seventy-two-year-old woman fell from the horse. I said to the old lady, 'What is the need to ride a horse? When you are seventy-two years old, will you ride on a horse?' Her husband said, 'We have become a little old. What if we fall?' I said, 'You too climb and fall.' He is seventy-five years old.There are young people there, where the old people have been sheltered. They don't care about them. Do not see them. It doesn't make any sense to them. By the way, a sample is being made here too. They beat up children day and night and kill children. They kill children directly. Mother says that they killed them. What a violence there?You'd be surprised if I told you. No one can even think like this here. They find new ways to kill people. There, they even steal the bank. They had made a good way of that too. The scriptures were created with everyone. The scriptures for each and everything, make up the scriptures for each violence.We were just watching a man stealing a bank on TV. He said while watching, the magistrate was there, 'Look, I jumped out of the window.' 'How?' 'Opened the window and jumped.' He appeared on the TV, and he was saying as if he was a hero with no shame, Also saying where did he enter, and from where he broke into the bank. People are hijacking now. They think that they have become very skilful like Rana Pratap in hijacking. Where is our Rana Pratap and where is this junk, Mawali people. At least in our country no one considers Mawali as a hero. Yes, their photos will be printed. I am telling you the story so that you understand what you have.You can't get it after you lose it. This thing is such that the day it is lost you will not find it. That's why when you are doing your development, don't women wear pants and men wear saris. Just wait and see, where are those people? Which pit have you fallen into? And there is no need to fall straight into this pit. Their Ganesh Tattva is broken. Nothing named Ganesha was left with them.There is no such thing as purity. And the Indians who go from here, the new Muslims eat more onions. They are more foolish than them. And when they come here they teach us wisdom. I am surprised to see it myself. Are they educated?If by reading and writing a person can become so foolish, impure, then it is better not to read so much. The one who did not save this Ganesha element never had his Kundalini would never happen.People say, 'Everyone has theirs'. I said, 'How do I do it?' Because if you do not have purity in you, then if you are sitting with your hands in front of me, then is there someone going to take the message here? Ganesh ji is sleeping. He is in sleep. How do I wake him up?However, I rarely find such in Indians. Happens for some other reason. But it doesn't happen in the least. Mother and sister, everyone is taken care of. But there it is, the one with the mad fun. Girls are like this, boys are like that too. Now these boys of today are roaming like big heroes, they will be the same examples tomorrow.Nothing in your education system should be taught in them that purity should be kept within. Everything has its own civilization here. While getting up in the morning, we should remember God that, 'Lord, keep our purity.' At every step we should see that we keep on saving ourselves. Kabir has said that ‘बास कबीर जतन पे ओढी, जैसी थी तैसी रखदिनी चदरियाँ। ‘ . And this is very easy. Difficult to do that. I told you only yesterday, that you have to drink only alcohol, so it is difficult.Take money out of your pocket first. Just find the alcoholic, and find the liquor store. If you don't know what kind of liquor it is, then you will become a fool. Is it difficult to do a sinful act or to remain pure?Let us assume If you want to kill someone.So for him first bring a knife, bring this, bring that. Get some guns, etc. Choose the place. Do this, do that. And what's the use of killing then? Then go to jail. Human being does not think of one simple thing. Which sin is easier to do? Tell me this.But do we have to do all the difficult work from here? But the people there take pleasure in committing sinful deeds. You must have heard by now that many people killed themselves in Vienna. This is the second sample. Either man kills another or he kills himself. When you have a violent tendency, if you cannot kill others, then kill yourself.The way to kill yourself is to drink alcohol, smoke a cigarette and what else. Kill yourself. You make cancer, so cancer is there. They started saying, cancer happened, so what happened? Ok. Bulls come to kill me and go on dragging. Needless to take the calamity. Isn’t it? What is the big thing in this bitterness?You will be surprised to know that these people are poor. We are not poor. That's why I tell you, what do you have with you except plastic? If there is such a small brass vessel, then ten times they will show it by shining it. I said, 'We people eat food in brass, what are they showing us.' They said, 'Well, you guys are very rich.' And we think, eating in stainless steel is the sign of a big rich. . Those people ask, 'Why do you eat food in stainless steel even though you are so rich? Why do you wear nylons when you have cotton sarees and silk sarees?' They do not understand how stupid they are!These are signs of poverty. There, the person who is very poor will wear only nylons. If some cotton is mixed in it, then it is good. When I tell people in my country, they do not believe it. In the country where these things have flowed, they are so drowned in it, that they say, what is there in all these artificial things?Better than that, be a natural thing. take that one. All the women who are sitting here today must have so much gold with them. With them, no one has gold etc. There are such people who even crave for a bit of gold.We are not poor? If we have two cotton saris, even the big nobles there will not have two cotton clothes. And the price of cotton is so much there, you will not believe that the voiles that I wear here, I have seen its price there, about two and a half hundred rupees for a yard.But we do not value our things. Because we don't know ourselves. We do not recognize ourselves. Whatever we had is lost because of the British. And now these Britishers who have come here, they drowned more money. It does not relate to any Hindu or Muslim religion.This is the culture of our country, it is for everyone. Everyone knows mother and sister. One day we landed a ship, its name was Vishnumangal. So what did an Englishman mean to us? So everyone started scratching their heads about what is the meaning of Mangal in English. Those people asked whether there is any good or bad for them. It is not known what eats the innocence in those people.You are very naive in front of them. They know how to make money by fooling. Today their children are roaming around like ghosts by making money. They come here too. Some are sitting in Kashi. If you also want to make your children into ghosts, then follow them. This is the essence of Ganesha, it has been established in us by God. Especially given to the Indian people. If you people are also not able to tell this, then you will disappear from the world. It is the responsibility of Indians to preserve purity. And increase its glory and it’s fame.Consider that we have a great wealth in keeping ourselves pure. Many said, 'Mother, how is the Ganesha element instilled in us?' Right now you are, mostly, much younger than us in age. But when we were little, our parents used to tell that boys and girls have to keep their eyes on the earth.Always walk with your eyes down. Ramchandra ji asked Lakshman ji, 'Can you give some description of your sister-in-law?' So he started saying, 'No, we have only seen her feet’. We can describe that. And we can recognize the jewellery on her feet. We have not looked above this. Because this element is made from the earth element itself.The earth itself has given this element of Ganesha within us. Because we have all the elements inside us. So whatever the element of the earth is in our body, it is moving all these elements. Therefore, when this element gets spoiled, or gets contaminated, when a person goes on the wrong path due to wrongdoing, then you see, the diseases which mostly happen to us, they come out in the form of boils inside us. Because our earth element gets spoiled.That is why it is said that one should walk on the earth. One should walk barefoot. From this the earth element which is there, always removes the evils that are within us. I went to Kuala Lumpur. The one who is a teacher there, a program was held in his house. Thousands of men came there, and most were sick.I thought, my……. There is no Sahaja Yoga here, so many people have come here. , how do I fix them? He had a very nice garden here. I said, sit down with everyone in this garden, on the ground. And I awakened the earth element. I said, pull their pain. sour. There was a Sardarji. His son had polio. He got up and started walking.In this way, the earth element is of great importance. But here you are pure, only then can you tell Mother Earth to move on. Only Sita ji can say, 'Take me in your stomach.' Can men say that? For her only the earth element opens up, and is contained within itself. That's why it came out of the earth element, this Ganesh element which is there, this is the real Ganesha.There is nothing false in this. But what people sell in their homes by making these idols are all dirty idols. The purchased idol should never be worshiped. People take it negatively when I say the right thing. The feeling of the one who makes, is that he has to sell it. Can one who sells such a god be entitled to make an idol?This must be understood that the Ganesha's ride is a mouse which is very symbolic. Look, this is also a wonderful thing. Here you have a very symbolic form. The ride on the mice. How much humility should be there. Because he is the greatest god, he rides on a mouse. If you see, when people earn two paise here, then think of buying a bigger car.They will walk around with eyebrows in front of everyone. They will show off their wealth. Even if it is only black money, or whether it was stolen from someone or robbed from someone by becoming a guru. Everything has to be shown to the world. Lord Ganesha is the master of all wisdom and all intelligence. He just wants to have a mouse. His vehicle is the simplest of all. This is a very big thing. How much humility should there be?The man who has intelligence, he understands who you are giving an impression here with these external devices. If you have a motor then you will. How will it benefit you! Wearing the clothes of the external, showing it to the people of the outside, these are not signs of purity. Mostly you will see that there are cinema actresses who will walk around wearing white saris. No one becomes pure by walking around carrying the signs of purity above. Purity is something inside. For humans, their holiness is always with them.Not for anyone else. Whatever is holy is inside. It is not external. This is not for showing off. Many others have looted the world by showing off and by harassing. Purity is our own thing. Your private thing. There is no need to even talk about it. It appears and it’s brightness is visible from your face.When a woman is pure, it is immediately visible that this woman is pure. And men are also afraid of it, they live by it. A man like Ravana got scared. In your country, people do not understand that it is very important for them to remain pure. They say that only women have taken the contract of purity.The day man will understand this, on that day there will be balance in our social system. Otherwise, look at the women of England, everyone has been corrected. Good conditions have been created for all the men. They keep working hard day and night in Bun's house. Women are sitting on his head.That is why it is the duty of every man to protect the purity of the woman who is in his house, to admire her purity and to become pure himself and to glorify her purity.If ten women are pure and their husbands are not pure, then five out of ten will surely be spoiled. Thinking that if our husbands are not walking on the straight path, why are we staying well? And if you are pure then you do not give this to anyone. You have this purity for yourself. We holy human beings live with this enlightenment.This becomes human being's pride. Shastri ji has an example in front of you. He lived in this world only for a few days. But even today people start crying on hearing his name. Even after his death, no one took out books against him, saying that he used to run after this woman, and was doing wrong things. When we are talking about these frivolous things in our life, then we will take it out after life. No one respects such a man.Word of mouth. You can see anyone. If you have put such a work in front of you, 'Yes, how are you? You were a great leader. You will say behind your back, 'Hey, he is a very bad man. Leave it Not fit to take your wife and children. Why did you invite him to the house?’You know they will say things like this. You guys also say the same, don't you?Then it should be like this in your life also, that people say that 'man is such that if you see in the morning, then ahaha! Where did these gods come from?' But you think that that person should be another. I would say why you are not like this. Every man can be like this. If yes, then his Kundalini should be awakened and he should cross and establish himself.How powerful if our country becomes, on the day when we change ourselves completely and stand on the axis of purity. Even if you belong to royal law, bureaucratic law, horse royal law, cart royal law, it will not make any difference in your country. Hukumshahi Lav and what are the royals. Nothing is going to get better from this.Unless a man stands on his holiness, he cannot be free. Purity gives you freedom. Otherwise you are in bondage of impurity. Have you ever seen how impurity grips you? How does poverty catch you from all sides? You can't even walk anywhere.Until this beautiful thing is completely illuminated in you, till that fragrance does not spread in you. Till then there is no goal of your life. And it's that simple. There is no need to spend any money for this. There's no need to go anywhere. No need to ask anyone. This is within you for free.You have to find it and know it. Then when you are fine, your children will be fine too. Many people also tell me that Mother, such a problem has come in India. Because cinema is bad. You also watch movies. That cinema cannot run, which is not of family. So remove the bad things in family cinema. Which spoils your children. Just refuse it. No, we don't want this thing in it. Our country is run by family. If someone is intelligent, then he makes a family cinema, in which all the families can come. If one person comes to look at a cinema, in whose cinema will he come? If you come stealthily, then in whom will you come? The only ones who can go openly to watch cinema, only those will run in our country.t is a different matter for other countries. Seeing himself within himself, man should create his own purity and worship it. When we worship Ganesha, then we should think that, 'O Ganesha, you should also awaken within us, completely.' Only by doing this, in this way you will see that your whole life can change. In Sahaja Yoga, when the Kundalini is awakened, the first one is awakened, that is Ganesha. Without them, Kundalini does not wake up. If a person does not have a trace of purity, then there are they are not humans, they are only demons, most of them are like this. There is no such thing in which even a fraction of purity is left. But if there is not such a purity, then there is no arrangement for Kundalini awakening in it.Those who come after going to such gurus, whose Ganesh Tattva is broken, they also hardly cross. It hurts a lot. But we should give realization to them too. And they become realized. This first element is very important. By saluting him you should go into meditation. And even after being crossed, this element should be taken care of above all.He should not tell anyone that he has to take care of himself. Just like the biggest wealth in the world, the biggest diamond you have, is to be chanted in the same way. I am not telling anything new. And the old thing is not pleasing to the people these days. But what is real is always new. Because the false thing stands up and disappears and the real thing remains forever.That is why it is called the imperishable truth. Today I have spoken on the same chakra. Apart from this, now you people have to cross everyone and you all want a lot. We will meditate by worshiping Ganesha. But first if you have to ask a question, then ask. Question: (Unclear) Shri Mataji: Yes, that has to be done. There is a lot of difference in its method, as you have been doing till date, it is not like that.After getting realization, you can understand which of your chakra is caught. Because burning starts in your fingers where the chakra is caught. Which are these chakras? Which is the sympathetic chakra? As the Ganesha Tattva is here, this Ganesha's chakra is here. But if it gets caught up, gets caught in the left or gets caught in the right, then what are the faults with it? Then how should it be fixed?If you understand that your Ganesh Tattva has been caught, then you should worship Ganesh ji and correct your Ganesh Tattva. But if any other chakra is caught, then it should be worshipped by you and it should be cured. But to cure Ganesh Tattva, it is not necessary that you worship Lord Ganesha only. If you are right from Ganesh ji's side and if Ganesh ji doesn't want to do it, then it will happen even if you do purity. There is no difference between purity and Ganesha.

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Talk in Marathi at a Sahaja Yoga seminar in Kalwe, Maharashtra (India). 19 January 1979. To come from London to Mumbai, it feels very good – because London is a very crowded and mechanical city. And people’s overall tendency out there has also become mechanical. So then, to come from Mumbai to Kalwe feels even better. Seeing the state of mind and faith of the people in cities, I feel like going to a place where there are a few people with true devotion. Our Sahaja Yoga is going to propagate through villages. It won’t happen through the cities. I have said it in the past and we experience it as well. Now that you are a little closer to Mumbai, you do have a little bit of the city air in you. But even then, people living in this pleasant natural environment, always feel the existence of God. Does God exist or not, what all we have been reading about it till date– is there any meaning in all that or are these just some texts that have been written down to keep people confused - This is the time to examine and experience it fully – Because we keep coming across a lot of spurious people in the name of God. If you go to the temple, you have to give money. If you give money, then you will get closer. If a rich person visits a temple, then first he is garlanded. The biggest garland of the deity is offered to him. As if God understands the importance of being rich. And if, on top of that, he comes in a big car then he is regarded even closer to God. But God is hungry for emotions. He doesn’t understand money and the worldly opulence. He understands the richness of faith. He yearns for faith and only faith can recognize Him. Now, faith does not mean blind faith. Say some person comes to you , some bogus guru approaches after rubbing dirt on his body and comes saying that he is a big guru – and this and that. Immediately people break their heads at his feet – like coconuts. The people of our country are devoted to God and innocent. But they should be innocent in religion (Dharma), just being innocent is not sufficient. Innocent in Dharma means that you should recognize the Dharma. First of all, you should recognize – to know, whom to bow down your head before, who is the real guru and who isn’t. Every person walking down the street cannot be a guru. Perhaps, he maybe someone of a lower category than us. A person, who lives off of someone else’s money, can never be a religious guru or related to Dharma. Even if you people might earn a little, you are standing on your own feet. You too have that feeling within yourselves – that you would not depend on anyone else. So when these fake people live off of your money in this way, you should realize that they are vagabonds and someone of a very low category. They take money from you and support themselves. To consider such people as your guru or if they tell you that - we are very accomplished guru and that we can do such and such great things - and if they try to cheat you then you should be able to recognize that this person can never be religious. The other thing is – it has been said about religious or sanyasi people (people who have renounced all worldly activities), that he should not be allowed to stay in the village. Only people leading a family life can stay in villages. Sita has said in Ramayana, that if any sanyasi comes to your door step, he should be asked to stay put, he should not be allowed to stay inside the village, he should stay outside the boundaries of the village and that too for a night only. If a person gets involved with a village then how can he call himself a sanyasi? This Sita had stipulated when Ravana had cheated her as a Sanyasi. That people who wear such saffron clothes and stand in front of you have actually come to rob you. Actually what is the need to wear such clothes? – He, who has renounced all worldly things, isn’t running after anything. He, who is a king with no wants – why would he wear such clothes to cheat you? But human beings have an inherent instinct that there exists higher power called God. Especially the people living in rural areas are so used to nature; they are daily connected with it. If it rains then farming is possible. If the crop yield is not good, if the land is not fertile then they take it as a sign that mother earth is offended with them. If there is a sudden fire somewhere, then they say the god of fire or some goddess has been offended. If the household is affected with epidemic, then they say that they are suffering due to wrath of God. In such situations, human beings start believing in nature. And that nature itself is God – with this belief he starts worshipping the divine. Even though awareness of God is a great thing still we cannot create God. God is as He is. If you say – we will create Him our way, He is like what we say – it is not like that. God is as He is. The only thing you can do is – if you meditate upon Him and invite Him Him, then the way He appears before you - you should be able to recognize Him. However this wisdom should come to you – and you should have the awareness to recognize Him. Not only this, you should be able to feel it. So what should we do about it? What needs to be done? If I need to see you, I need to open my eyes. Through these eyes I have to see who you are, where you come from. I need to ask you questions like where you live, which village you come from. How do I recognize you, through these eyes. If my eyes weren’t open in the first place, I wouldn’t have recognized you. To know God we have a different set of eyes within us – it is called the ‘Atma’. Until the eyes of this Atma don’t open, we cannot see God or recognize him. Until the Atma gets awakened within us, until its flame comes before us - till then there is something wrong with what we believe as God. It does not sound as truthful. Or it can be said that one cannot get complete knowledge about Him – one gets a little. Like, if someone is partly blind, he can still see a bit. So unless we open our eyes completely, until we get the eyes of our Atma, until those eyes open – we cannot recognize God. Once we keep the idol in the home temple we feel that this is our God..that it is sufficient to worship Him. But do we check on our behavior afterwards? Even if we kill or fight amongst ourselves or do something worse – we still believe that God is on our side because he is in our home temple. And if we again offer him something , that is enough. Then no one feels bad about the fact that “ I have lied, I have robbed, I have fought, I wished ill of others “ and “ I have done something wrong” this thought itself doesn’t even cross the mind – because we established a deity in our home temple. Once the ‘arti’ is performed, rest all is taken care of. The deity doesn’t retaliate and hit us. – So we like such a ‘convenient’ God. But this does not facilitate us, does not do ourselves any good. Does not help our religion. It barely helps us live in this world. But then, even that peril confronts us eventually. Human being remembers God especially when he falls sick. He doesn’t think of Him as much in the times of happiness. But in sickness he feels that he has done something wrong- “how did I get this disease, I must have done something to displease God”. If someone suffers from Psychological issues, heart problems then – you start thinking – “what happened Mataji, what did we do wrong, why did we get this disease?” Actually, you haven’t really committed the mistake knowingly. But blindness still persists. If your atma is not awakened you are still blind. What knowledge do you have about God or dharma? All that you know is half-baked. So, there needs to be a provision to help us visualize our atma. Who will make this arrangement? Can we do it? Have we created these eyes? Who has given them to us? Has God given them to us? This nose, this mouth, this body – all of it is provided by the Almighty. Have you achieved any of that? What have you done to become a human? You evolved into a humans from animals – how did that happen? What is it that you did to make that happen? So the eyes that are needed – to see the divine, to come to know the atma – those eyes will have to be provided by God only. What can we do about it? It is not going to happen by jumping up and down from morning till evening, neither are you going to achieve it by doing pujas or artis or by reciting the name of god a million times a day. First you need to know God only then His arati and pooja has some meaning. But if you just can’t see whether it is God or a stone or rock then how are you going to benefit from it. So to begin with, you should first recognize your atma. Without knowing your atma nothing is going to work, till you realize this, till such a thought gets established in your mind, you are not going to like what I am saying. So how do you open this atma? Many people have this question - “Mataji, how do we do it, ?” – I have already told you before that you cannot do anything about it. It is done by God, it is his gift. – He has given us this body, he is the one who is going to give us eyes. He is the one who will give us the vision of Atma. And he does give it. The time for it needs to come. If tomorrow, a flower starts worrying whether it is going to turn into a fruit – like “how will it happen, when will it happen” – what is the use of this? When the time comes, it will become a fruit automatically. Similarly you will have a proper vision of your atma when time comes. And it will happen for sure. Thousands have got their realization through Sahaj Yoga. They have had the vision of their atma – their atma started speaking through them. Without crossing the threshold or having vision of the Supreme, what we call as vision of the atma, “atma-sakshatkar” (self-realization)—until it happens, you won’t be able to even speak with Him. Morning till evening, we keep reciting the name of Lord Rama – but where is Rama? Does everyone have the right to take His name? Is each one of you entitled to call out the Supreme? Now if we say that we take our prime minister’s name – what is the use? Is he going to come running at your call? Is he your servant? – So, God is not your servant that you keep calling out his name. There needs to be some connection between Him and you first. You have to request his permission to make a connection. As you take permission before visiting the prime minister, likewise you need to take permission. Need to get connected with God. If you do not get connected with God and you do not get the permission and if you shout out His name at his doorstep, His guards will catch hold of you and ask you what right do you have to come here, why are you troubling Him. Hence first have the vision of your atma. Know your Atma. Then you will feel for yourselves the power of the divine starting to flow through your hands. Then you should ask that power – does god exist? You will be surprised when that power flows, and you ask such a big question, power assertively responds that yes. There will be strong vibrations in the hands. On being asked any such questions the power responds to you. Means you realize that this omnipresent power is present everywhere in the world and it is true when they say that not even a leaf moves without the will of God. Because it is only after the vision of your Atma, you get the vision of this power. And you recognize this power, you see it and when it starts flowing through your hands you can give it full momentum. When this power starts flowing through you, you will be surprised – your mental state and your physical state becomes perfectly alright. In Sahaj yoga very few people need to visit doctors after they get their realization. Everyone gets good health. If mental issues exist, they too go away. Not only that, but the overall condition of the household also becomes better. Everything has to get better from every angle. Now say, if I have to visit Mr. Patil’s house tomorrow – he will clean everything up and decorate the house for my welcome. It is like that. If god decides to reside in you – your body, your mind, your intellect needs to be cleansed. Once these get cleansed God can enter. And this is the reason why the illnesses of so many people have got cured. We have cured many difficult diseases, and we continue to do it. But it is not that we cure only diseases. If you get your realization, if the light of atma spreads through you, then automatically whatever darkness exists, may be physical, mental or religious – any kind of darkness – it has to go away. It does go away automatically. You will ask – how? Now once this light has been switched on – where did the darkness go? The same thing happens to you too, and that is why one gets uplifted from all sides in Sahaj Yoga. Not only that but he becomes eligible to enter the realm of collective consciousness – The word is difficult but is quite straightforward. There exists a power which is flowing through all of us; it exists within each of us. The moment you understand this power, - all of you are one (together) – this starts from within. Means through your hands, you come to know the state of this person, what problem he has. Similarly, you know what problems you have. Due to introspection, you will have a self vision by yourself. These things happen but you don’t need lot of intelligence, don’t need money don’t need any special brain. You are human beings. Not animals that’s enough. On the contrary people who are extremely intelligent, who have lot of wealth, they don’t experience this. So, it happens to people in the middle class and who have average intelligence. Now, it also won’t happen to people who are extremely poor, who don’t even have sufficient food to eat – because day and night they are worried. They will steal from here and there – I don’t have food to eat today, now what? That’s OK. because their condition is such. But once the middle class people get their realizations, the whole society progresses and everyone benefits from it. Because Laxmi (the goddess of wealth) also bestows her blessings on this. Now everyone is worried that – “Mataji How will our lot improve? How will our financial state get better or how will our other questions get solved? What will happen to all these things? How should we find answers to all these questions?” So what I mean is that – there is a center for Sahaja Yoga in your locality. Wherever there is a Sahaj Yoga center, there resides God. If you come to the center, your problems will be solved. Not by sitting at home. There are a lot of Sahaj yogis who think that – now we have got our realization so all our questions should get resolved by sitting at home itself. The clinic to get answers to your questions is the center. If you come to this clinic every day, every week whenever there is a program and if you ask your questions, all questions and problems will get effortlessly solved, once you have the vision of your atma. I will give you an example of this. Very simple example. You will be surprised, but it happens many times. And there are countless such examples like this, there are infinite examples like this – You cannot imagine if it is only research or just a guesswork or that it happened by co incidence . We were in London; there was this Muslim boy from Algeria. He came and told me “Mataji, for the last six months I am trying here but I am not getting scholarship and now I have run out of time and would have to go back to Algeria.” He had got his realization. “When are you leaving?” I asked. He said “I am leaving on Thursday.” So I asked him “Why don’t you leave on Tuesday? Instead of Thursday, you leave on Tuesday.” He said “Ok, if you insist, I will leave on Tuesday.” On Monday he went to his college. The list for students receiving scholarship was put up – His was the first name as the recipient . So, this is one example. Likewise there are many such examples. If you ask your fellow yogis in Mumbai, each one will enumerate examples with copious accounts. I told you this as an example. There are many such questions that get solved easily, very effortlessly. But to get them solved you need to visit the center. It is true that wherever people get together to worship, God will be present there. If you say – “No, Mataji you need to come to my home. Whatever is there at my home….” – which is ‘your’ home? While in collectivity, if you think only about yourself then, God will never come. Because you are in the collective consciousness. Wherever people come together and remember Him, God is present there. He is not just for you alone. People even come and order me- “Mother I ‘have’ to get a job, my child ‘should’ complete his education”. Then, “my daughter ‘should’ get married”. Then, “my house ‘should’ get constructed”. This ‘should’ happen, that ‘should’ happen. I ask, “Why?” “Because I purposely came to see you.” As if, this is a God’s shop where you come and ask for different things for specific payment against each of them. We ask as if we are buying something from a shop. You shouldn’t ask this way. Instead, you should say – Whatever belongs to me is in front of you. You only see! It is only You that we desire. Once we get you, we don’t want anything. Once you say this, all the questions get solved. These questions pose no challenge to God. Nothing is difficult for Him. He just needs to twirl his little finger (pinkie) and the work is done. Till date people used to think that God does everything, this and that.. A lot of people told me that they went as “Varkarees” (Devotees of Lord Vitthala) there and beseeched Vitthala to do this and that. Nothing happened; God did not fulfill their wishes. But that is not the case now. You hadn’t got your realization before. So you didn’t have the license to go there, to ask anything from Him. Now that you have the vision of atma, see for yourself what powers you have. First see who you are, and after that you will be surprised – whatever you say will happen. As now you are governed by the angels, Deities like Ganesha, Hanuman and Bhairava are standing behind you. And they are all fully competent to get your work done. But you need to experience this. It is not like some guru giving you a sermon and you believe him. I am not giving you a sermon but trying to get you a firsthand experience of what is true. The people in villages are simple and straightforward. And they don’t even have much money. Maybe that is the reason they understand God better. They can recognize him as well. A villager can easily make out who is a genuine person. A city dweller cannot fathom it yet. Most of the gangsters, very famous and very dirty gurus; they all reside in the cities. They have neither reason nor the desire to come to villages. Because one cannot make money out here. They don’t want any love. They want money. If at all a few of them are not able to get anything in the city, then they wander back to the villages. So there are lots of expectations from you all. The almighty has brought you all to place full of natural beauty - There has to be a reason for that. And the main reason is that if you realize who God is then you will be able to imbibe it within yourself very well. The city dweller won’t be able achieve this. Not as much as you could. Because you haven’t learned the notorious behavior like the city people have. All that dirt still hasn’t entered into you. Extremely filthy things are going on in the cities and the people out there have taken to them. The state of their minds is such that – if I try to sow any seed in them, it is very painful. To tell you, if someone asks me to work out Sahaj Yoga in London I feel very bored. And I feel very tired. To look at, the people out there are all well-dressed, fair and good looking. But inside there is so much dirt in them, that I don’t feel like exerting. Instead if someone asks me to come to Kalwe and work, I am absolutely ready. – if you make me a small hut over here, I’m am ready to come here and stay. I’ll enjoy it. But it is not so in London, because the people out there are very dirty. And their state is so dirty that you can’t even have them standing at your doorstep. But what to do – one has to face whatever is in your fate. My husband got posted out there and I had to go along. And when it was time to uplift people out there, I am doing that as well, and many English people have got their realization. But none of them are even remotely compareable to you. (the dust of your feet). They have faith but they lack the innocence you have. So there is nothing to learn from them. You might think that as they have a couple of clothes more or have cars so they are living in luxury and comfort, but it is not so. They are actually a very sad lot. One out of every ten commits suicide. And out of ten, seven have broken marriages. Such is the situation out there. So, in such a country, to imagine that any religion could exist seems impossible. Every week, two kids are aborted by their parents in that country. Good children. Life is snuffed out of them. The mother kills them, herself, by strangling them. Every week. Have you heard of anything like this? Every week. A mother, from here, would love her child so dearly. And you have such barbaric people out there – absolutely barbaric. Totally mechanical. They have no emotions. So you should never try to become like them. The country’s ancient wealth is that of love, we need to preserve this importance of love – our rich heritage. Because, the power of the almighty is that of love. He is hungry for love – so you should have love on your mind, you should always stay in love. And you should only enjoy love. Over here, Mr. Patil has started this beautiful thing (Sahaja center at Kalwe) and slowly the vibrations have improved out here. I felt that today and I felt very happy about it. To be honest ,at the doorstep itself, I went into a trance . And in that trance I felt that this place would someday become a fertile holy land. And would become a significant place. Not only this but would become a pilgrim spot. Such are the vibrations that I have felt here. I have been here several times before but this time I felt tremendous joy – and all my blessings are on this Kalwe and on all of you. By the grace of god, one day, this place is going to become very renowned and you all and your children will be blessed with their well-being in a religious sense. I hope it happens in my presence in my lifetime. I will be very happy then. My blessings to you all. If you have question, do ask……. That, you need to see within yourself. Close your eyes and feel. If your eyelids are fluttering while your eyes are closed then you have to open your eyes. But if they don’t, then close your eyes. And you will be surprised – if you see within yourself, no thought comes to you. You feel completely peaceful inside. Close your eyes and see if you are getting any thoughts. All of you close your eyes and see if you are getting any thoughts. Because when the energy awakens and goes towards the agnya chakra, then one does not get any thoughts. You get into thoughtless awareness. Some people might be feeling something cool coming out of their hands, like a cool breeze. As if an air conditioner is put on. Those who are experiencing this cool feeling in their hands they have got their realization.

Talk in Marathi at a Sahaja Yoga seminar in Kalwe, Maharashtra (India). 19 January 1979. To come from London to Mumbai, it feels very good – because London is a very crowded and mechanical city. And people’s overall tendency out there has also become mechanical. So then, to come from Mumbai to Kalwe feels even better. Seeing the state of mind and faith of the people in cities, I feel like going to a place where there are a few people with true devotion. Our Sahaja Yoga is going to propagate through villages. It won’t happen through the cities. I have said it in the past and we experience it as well. Now that you are a little closer to Mumbai, you do have a little bit of the city air in you. But even then, people living in this pleasant natural environment, always feel the existence of God. Does God exist or not, what all we have been reading about it till date– is there any meaning in all that or are these just some texts that have been written down to keep people confused - This is the time to examine and experience it fully – Because we keep coming across a lot of spurious people in the name of God. If you go to the temple, you have to give money. If you give money, then you will get closer. If a rich person visits a temple, then first he is garlanded. The biggest garland of the deity is offered to him. As if God understands the importance of being rich. And if, on top of that, he comes in a big car then he is regarded even closer to God. But God is hungry for emotions. He doesn’t understand money and the worldly opulence. He understands the richness of faith. He yearns for faith and only faith can recognize Him. Now, faith does not mean blind faith. Say some person comes to you , some bogus guru approaches after rubbing dirt on his body and comes saying that he is a big guru – and this and that. Immediately people break their heads at his feet – like coconuts. The people of our country are devoted to God and innocent. But they should be innocent in religion (Dharma), just being innocent is not sufficient. Innocent in Dharma means that you should recognize the Dharma. First of all, you should recognize – to know, whom to bow down your head before, who is the real guru and who isn’t. Every person walking down the street cannot be a guru. Perhaps, he maybe someone of a lower category than us. A person, who lives off of someone else’s money, can never be a religious guru or related to Dharma. Even if you people might earn a little, you are standing on your own feet. You too have that feeling within yourselves – that you would not depend on anyone else. So when these fake people live off of your money in this way, you should realize that they are vagabonds and someone of a very low category. They take money from you and support themselves. To consider such people as your guru or if they tell you that - we are very accomplished guru and that we can do such and such great things - and if they try to cheat you then you should be able to recognize that this person can never be religious. The other thing is – it has been said about religious or sanyasi people (people who have renounced all worldly activities), that he should not be allowed to stay in the village. Only people leading a family life can stay in villages. Sita has said in Ramayana, that if any sanyasi comes to your door step, he should be asked to stay put, he should not be allowed to stay inside the village, he should stay outside the boundaries of the village and that too for a night only. If a person gets involved with a village then how can he call himself a sanyasi? This Sita had stipulated when Ravana had cheated her as a Sanyasi. That people who wear such saffron clothes and stand in front of you have actually come to rob you. Actually what is the need to wear such clothes? – He, who has renounced all worldly things, isn’t running after anything. He, who is a king with no wants – why would he wear such clothes to cheat you? But human beings have an inherent instinct that there exists higher power called God. Especially the people living in rural areas are so used to nature; they are daily connected with it. If it rains then farming is possible. If the crop yield is not good, if the land is not fertile then they take it as a sign that mother earth is offended with them. If there is a sudden fire somewhere, then they say the god of fire or some goddess has been offended. If the household is affected with epidemic, then they say that they are suffering due to wrath of God. In such situations, human beings start believing in nature. And that nature itself is God – with this belief he starts worshipping the divine. Even though awareness of God is a great thing still we cannot create God. God is as He is. If you say – we will create Him our way, He is like what we say – it is not like that. God is as He is. The only thing you can do is – if you meditate upon Him and invite Him Him, then the way He appears before you - you should be able to recognize Him. However this wisdom should come to you – and you should have the awareness to recognize Him. Not only this, you should be able to feel it. So what should we do about it? What needs to be done? If I need to see you, I need to open my eyes. Through these eyes I have to see who you are, where you come from. I need to ask you questions like where you live, which village you come from. How do I recognize you, through these eyes. If my eyes weren’t open in the first place, I wouldn’t have recognized you. To know God we have a different set of eyes within us – it is called the ‘Atma’. Until the eyes of this Atma don’t open, we cannot see God or recognize him. Until the Atma gets awakened within us, until its flame comes before us - till then there is something wrong with what we believe as God. It does not sound as truthful. Or it can be said that one cannot get complete knowledge about Him – one gets a little. Like, if someone is partly blind, he can still see a bit. So unless we open our eyes completely, until we get the eyes of our Atma, until those eyes open – we cannot recognize God. Once we keep the idol in the home temple we feel that this is our God..that it is sufficient to worship Him. But do we check on our behavior afterwards? Even if we kill or fight amongst ourselves or do something worse – we still believe that God is on our side because he is in our home temple. And if we again offer him something , that is enough. Then no one feels bad about the fact that “ I have lied, I have robbed, I have fought, I wished ill of others “ and “ I have done something wrong” this thought itself doesn’t even cross the mind – because we established a deity in our home temple. Once the ‘arti’ is performed, rest all is taken care of. The deity doesn’t retaliate and hit us. – So we like such a ‘convenient’ God. But this does not facilitate us, does not do ourselves any good. Does not help our religion. It barely helps us live in this world. But then, even that peril confronts us eventually. Human being remembers God especially when he falls sick. He doesn’t think of Him as much in the times of happiness. But in sickness he feels that he has done something wrong- “how did I get this disease, I must have done something to displease God”. If someone suffers from Psychological issues, heart problems then – you start thinking – “what happened Mataji, what did we do wrong, why did we get this disease?” Actually, you haven’t really committed the mistake knowingly. But blindness still persists. If your atma is not awakened you are still blind. What knowledge do you have about God or dharma? All that you know is half-baked. So, there needs to be a provision to help us visualize our atma. Who will make this arrangement? Can we do it? Have we created these eyes? Who has given them to us? Has God given them to us? This nose, this mouth, this body – all of it is provided by the Almighty. Have you achieved any of that? What have you done to become a human? You evolved into a humans from animals – how did that happen? What is it that you did to make that happen? So the eyes that are needed – to see the divine, to come to know the atma – those eyes will have to be provided by God only. What can we do about it? It is not going to happen by jumping up and down from morning till evening, neither are you going to achieve it by doing pujas or artis or by reciting the name of god a million times a day. First you need to know God only then His arati and pooja has some meaning. But if you just can’t see whether it is God or a stone or rock then how are you going to benefit from it. So to begin with, you should first recognize your atma. Without knowing your atma nothing is going to work, till you realize this, till such a thought gets established in your mind, you are not going to like what I am saying. So how do you open this atma? Many people have this question - “Mataji, how do we do it, ?” – I have already told you before that you cannot do anything about it. It is done by God, it is his gift. – He has given us this body, he is the one who is going to give us eyes. He is the one who will give us the vision of Atma. And he does give it. The time for it needs to come. If tomorrow, a flower starts worrying whether it is going to turn into a fruit – like “how will it happen, when will it happen” – what is the use of this? When the time comes, it will become a fruit automatically. Similarly you will have a proper vision of your atma when time comes. And it will happen for sure. Thousands have got their realization through Sahaj Yoga. They have had the vision of their atma – their atma started speaking through them. Without crossing the threshold or having vision of the Supreme, what we call as vision of the atma, “atma-sakshatkar” (self-realization)—until it happens, you won’t be able to even speak with Him. Morning till evening, we keep reciting the name of Lord Rama – but where is Rama? Does everyone have the right to take His name? Is each one of you entitled to call out the Supreme? Now if we say that we take our prime minister’s name – what is the use? Is he going to come running at your call? Is he your servant? – So, God is not your servant that you keep calling out his name. There needs to be some connection between Him and you first. You have to request his permission to make a connection. As you take permission before visiting the prime minister, likewise you need to take permission. Need to get connected with God. If you do not get connected with God and you do not get the permission and if you shout out His name at his doorstep, His guards will catch hold of you and ask you what right do you have to come here, why are you troubling Him. Hence first have the vision of your atma. Know your Atma. Then you will feel for yourselves the power of the divine starting to flow through your hands. Then you should ask that power – does god exist? You will be surprised when that power flows, and you ask such a big question, power assertively responds that yes. There will be strong vibrations in the hands. On being asked any such questions the power responds to you. Means you realize that this omnipresent power is present everywhere in the world and it is true when they say that not even a leaf moves without the will of God. Because it is only after the vision of your Atma, you get the vision of this power. And you recognize this power, you see it and when it starts flowing through your hands you can give it full momentum. When this power starts flowing through you, you will be surprised – your mental state and your physical state becomes perfectly alright. In Sahaj yoga very few people need to visit doctors after they get their realization. Everyone gets good health. If mental issues exist, they too go away. Not only that, but the overall condition of the household also becomes better. Everything has to get better from every angle. Now say, if I have to visit Mr. Patil’s house tomorrow – he will clean everything up and decorate the house for my welcome. It is like that. If god decides to reside in you – your body, your mind, your intellect needs to be cleansed. Once these get cleansed God can enter. And this is the reason why the illnesses of so many people have got cured. We have cured many difficult diseases, and we continue to do it. But it is not that we cure only diseases. If you get your realization, if the light of atma spreads through you, then automatically whatever darkness exists, may be physical, mental or religious – any kind of darkness – it has to go away. It does go away automatically. You will ask – how? Now once this light has been switched on – where did the darkness go? The same thing happens to you too, and that is why one gets uplifted from all sides in Sahaj Yoga. Not only that but he becomes eligible to enter the realm of collective consciousness – The word is difficult but is quite straightforward. There exists a power which is flowing through all of us; it exists within each of us. The moment you understand this power, - all of you are one (together) – this starts from within. Means through your hands, you come to know the state of this person, what problem he has. Similarly, you know what problems you have. Due to introspection, you will have a self vision by yourself. These things happen but you don’t need lot of intelligence, don’t need money don’t need any special brain. You are human beings. Not animals that’s enough. On the contrary people who are extremely intelligent, who have lot of wealth, they don’t experience this. So, it happens to people in the middle class and who have average intelligence. Now, it also won’t happen to people who are extremely poor, who don’t even have sufficient food to eat – because day and night they are worried. They will steal from here and there – I don’t have food to eat today, now what? That’s OK. because their condition is such. But once the middle class people get their realizations, the whole society progresses and everyone benefits from it. Because Laxmi (the goddess of wealth) also bestows her blessings on this. Now everyone is worried that – “Mataji How will our lot improve? How will our financial state get better or how will our other questions get solved? What will happen to all these things? How should we find answers to all these questions?” So what I mean is that – there is a center for Sahaja Yoga in your locality. Wherever there is a Sahaj Yoga center, there resides God. If you come to the center, your problems will be solved. Not by sitting at home. There are a lot of Sahaj yogis who think that – now we have got our realization so all our questions should get resolved by sitting at home itself. The clinic to get answers to your questions is the center. If you come to this clinic every day, every week whenever there is a program and if you ask your questions, all questions and problems will get effortlessly solved, once you have the vision of your atma. I will give you an example of this. Very simple example. You will be surprised, but it happens many times. And there are countless such examples like this, there are infinite examples like this – You cannot imagine if it is only research or just a guesswork or that it happened by co incidence . We were in London; there was this Muslim boy from Algeria. He came and told me “Mataji, for the last six months I am trying here but I am not getting scholarship and now I have run out of time and would have to go back to Algeria.” He had got his realization. “When are you leaving?” I asked. He said “I am leaving on Thursday.” So I asked him “Why don’t you leave on Tuesday? Instead of Thursday, you leave on Tuesday.” He said “Ok, if you insist, I will leave on Tuesday.” On Monday he went to his college. The list for students receiving scholarship was put up – His was the first name as the recipient . So, this is one example. Likewise there are many such examples. If you ask your fellow yogis in Mumbai, each one will enumerate examples with copious accounts. I told you this as an example. There are many such questions that get solved easily, very effortlessly. But to get them solved you need to visit the center. It is true that wherever people get together to worship, God will be present there. If you say – “No, Mataji you need to come to my home. Whatever is there at my home….” – which is ‘your’ home? While in collectivity, if you think only about yourself then, God will never come. Because you are in the collective consciousness. Wherever people come together and remember Him, God is present there. He is not just for you alone. People even come and order me- “Mother I ‘have’ to get a job, my child ‘should’ complete his education”. Then, “my daughter ‘should’ get married”. Then, “my house ‘should’ get constructed”. This ‘should’ happen, that ‘should’ happen. I ask, “Why?” “Because I purposely came to see you.” As if, this is a God’s shop where you come and ask for different things for specific payment against each of them. We ask as if we are buying something from a shop. You shouldn’t ask this way. Instead, you should say – Whatever belongs to me is in front of you. You only see! It is only You that we desire. Once we get you, we don’t want anything. Once you say this, all the questions get solved. These questions pose no challenge to God. Nothing is difficult for Him. He just needs to twirl his little finger (pinkie) and the work is done. Till date people used to think that God does everything, this and that.. A lot of people told me that they went as “Varkarees” (Devotees of Lord Vitthala) there and beseeched Vitthala to do this and that. Nothing happened; God did not fulfill their wishes. But that is not the case now. You hadn’t got your realization before. So you didn’t have the license to go there, to ask anything from Him. Now that you have the vision of atma, see for yourself what powers you have. First see who you are, and after that you will be surprised – whatever you say will happen. As now you are governed by the angels, Deities like Ganesha, Hanuman and Bhairava are standing behind you. And they are all fully competent to get your work done. But you need to experience this. It is not like some guru giving you a sermon and you believe him. I am not giving you a sermon but trying to get you a firsthand experience of what is true. The people in villages are simple and straightforward. And they don’t even have much money. Maybe that is the reason they understand God better. They can recognize him as well. A villager can easily make out who is a genuine person. A city dweller cannot fathom it yet. Most of the gangsters, very famous and very dirty gurus; they all reside in the cities. They have neither reason nor the desire to come to villages. Because one cannot make money out here. They don’t want any love. They want money. If at all a few of them are not able to get anything in the city, then they wander back to the villages. So there are lots of expectations from you all. The almighty has brought you all to place full of natural beauty - There has to be a reason for that. And the main reason is that if you realize who God is then you will be able to imbibe it within yourself very well. The city dweller won’t be able achieve this. Not as much as you could. Because you haven’t learned the notorious behavior like the city people have. All that dirt still hasn’t entered into you. Extremely filthy things are going on in the cities and the people out there have taken to them. The state of their minds is such that – if I try to sow any seed in them, it is very painful. To tell you, if someone asks me to work out Sahaj Yoga in London I feel very bored. And I feel very tired. To look at, the people out there are all well-dressed, fair and good looking. But inside there is so much dirt in them, that I don’t feel like exerting. Instead if someone asks me to come to Kalwe and work, I am absolutely ready. – if you make me a small hut over here, I’m am ready to come here and stay. I’ll enjoy it. But it is not so in London, because the people out there are very dirty. And their state is so dirty that you can’t even have them standing at your doorstep. But what to do – one has to face whatever is in your fate. My husband got posted out there and I had to go along. And when it was time to uplift people out there, I am doing that as well, and many English people have got their realization. But none of them are even remotely compareable to you. (the dust of your feet). They have faith but they lack the innocence you have. So there is nothing to learn from them. You might think that as they have a couple of clothes more or have cars so they are living in luxury and comfort, but it is not so. They are actually a very sad lot. One out of every ten commits suicide. And out of ten, seven have broken marriages. Such is the situation out there. So, in such a country, to imagine that any religion could exist seems impossible. Every week, two kids are aborted by their parents in that country. Good children. Life is snuffed out of them. The mother kills them, herself, by strangling them. Every week. Have you heard of anything like this? Every week. A mother, from here, would love her child so dearly. And you have such barbaric people out there – absolutely barbaric. Totally mechanical. They have no emotions. So you should never try to become like them. The country’s ancient wealth is that of love, we need to preserve this importance of love – our rich heritage. Because, the power of the almighty is that of love. He is hungry for love – so you should have love on your mind, you should always stay in love. And you should only enjoy love. Over here, Mr. Patil has started this beautiful thing (Sahaja center at Kalwe) and slowly the vibrations have improved out here. I felt that today and I felt very happy about it. To be honest ,at the doorstep itself, I went into a trance . And in that trance I felt that this place would someday become a fertile holy land. And would become a significant place. Not only this but would become a pilgrim spot. Such are the vibrations that I have felt here. I have been here several times before but this time I felt tremendous joy – and all my blessings are on this Kalwe and on all of you. By the grace of god, one day, this place is going to become very renowned and you all and your children will be blessed with their well-being in a religious sense. I hope it happens in my presence in my lifetime. I will be very happy then. My blessings to you all. If you have question, do ask……. That, you need to see within yourself. Close your eyes and feel. If your eyelids are fluttering while your eyes are closed then you have to open your eyes. But if they don’t, then close your eyes. And you will be surprised – if you see within yourself, no thought comes to you. You feel completely peaceful inside. Close your eyes and see if you are getting any thoughts. All of you close your eyes and see if you are getting any thoughts. Because when the energy awakens and goes towards the agnya chakra, then one does not get any thoughts. You get into thoughtless awareness. Some people might be feeling something cool coming out of their hands, like a cool breeze. As if an air conditioner is put on. Those who are experiencing this cool feeling in their hands they have got their realization.

1/22/1979

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Seminar, Avdhootas

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Mumbai

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis

Marathi

22nd January 1979 – YMCA Hall, Andheri (A talk about ‘Avdhootas’) Some of our sisters have started the work of spreading the knowledge of Atma in this area. And we are seeing here – that a person(Mother seems to be referring to some person) who praises the avdhootas and is a devotee of lord Dattatreya, he has supported this effort. This is indeed something special. Ultimately, Avdhootas are our children as well. Although, they have a different state – their efforts are different, so are their rewards. They are great people. They are in their own different worlds. Everyone has earned their powers. They do work for you as well, that is going on as well. They are big people – if you call them my children that’s fine too. But so far I wasn’t able to chance upon meeting them. Because the genuine ones have left the society to live in the forests and mountains. If I ask them to come down they say – “we will come down after 10 or 12 years, the people below are all donkeys”. That is their style. You see, all of them have got their realization through their own efforts. Like a brother says while referring to his younger sibling – “I went through so many hardships and had to suffer so many ordeals, but this fellow over here gets it without doing anything”. So it comes as no surprise if they have the same mentality – because they have slogged a lot. They have earned it through a lot of arduous efforts and self-discipline. By burning themselves day and night, they have corrected everything within themselves. It can be said that they turned into their own enemy. So their methods are extremely arduous. “You are a mother, you work hard and give it to them for free, we will come later on” – this is what they say. They are present, a lot of avdhootas are here in India. But mine is the heart of a mother – so everyone is the same for me. They are sweet towards me. And they are extremely obedient to me. That level of obedience is absent among sahaja yogis – Because, you see a small child, he goes and sits on your head. Extremely obedient, they(avdhootas) know every minute thing about me. Who is mother, where are all the chakras located in her, where are the deities residing – they know everything accurately. They know everything about me. Every one of them has got the opportunity to behold the sight of me before I even came down (on this earth). I was surprised when they narrated their experiences. Some said they saw the ‘Shri’ chakra, some say they saw the ‘Lalita’ chakra. That is true, they will never lie. You didn’t see what they saw. And also you don’t realize who I am, because you don’t have that sight – how can see then? They have that sight. It is surprising that there is a gentleman in Rangoon who is an avadhoota. Not only in India, but they can be found all around the world. Prophet Mohammad was an avadhoota. King Janaka was an avadhoota, so was Nanak. Many of them(avadhootas) did a lot of work in this Maharashtra. It is only because of their work here did I take my birth in this place. Sai Nath was the last of them from Maharashtra. Their work establishes the dharma. Or more like – the dharma settles down in that place. They take their form on this earth only to fulfill that goal. When the human loses his faith in Dharma – why should I do this? – When he starts thinking this ways, then the avadhootas take birth on this earth. And wherever they may be – in forests or mountains, dead or alive – all they do is keep working on giving you the validations of Dharma. If you tell lies and start suffering from its consequences then realize that there is some avadhoota, sitting on some mountain in the Himalayas, who is responsible for whatever is happening to you. He is the one putting you alright. The human doesn’t realize his mistakes otherwise. The mother’s love spoils them. For a mother to become a guru is not a simple task. If at all, one should become guru of a child such as Ganesha – who doesn’t need to be told, who recognizes his mother. Or such as Christ. Now sometimes people sit with their feet pointing towards me – Don’t do that, now how should I tell them – Recognize who I am. If you do something like that and if tomorrow Hanuman smacks you then you will be coming to me to tell me that “see - we do Sahaja and look what happened to us”. But such things needn’t be told to the Avdhootas, they know who I am. They know everything. We had once sent a gentleman to an Avdhoota. He asked that gentleman to go up the mountain with buckets full of water to wash the temple of Mahadev, every day. When I asked him why he did such a thing he replied – “the donkey should get the work that befits him and likewise for the horse. Why do you need to give them their realizations, mother?” Their ways are meant to imbibe discipline in you. Sahaja can’t work out without discipline. Discipline is a must. One type of discipline is what you learn from the outside. The other one needs to come from within – This type is called Dharma. Discipline and Dharma, these two concepts are one and the same. The Dharma in humans has at least 10 aspects of discipline to it that should be followed - and all Gurus have emphasized that this needs to happen. They could be in the form of Mohammad, Nanak or Janak. The main point that the guru has put forth is that you shouldn’t consume alcohol. Now why did every one of them say that? Although Christ never said it, neither did Ram, nor did Krishna – because these forms came on earth for a specific task. And they only spoke what needed to be told to fulfil those tasks. But all the powers of a guru are meant to bring your dharma back to its correct state. No person can be higher or lower than the other. Now, are the eyes more important, or are the ears, or the nose? – It becomes this type of a question. The gurus, they reside in our stomach. And they stay there in the form of the power that brings our dharma into balance. As soon as you start doing adharmic things they will hit you. “What ill will happen if I drink, mother”? I will give you the answer to that question. But a Guru won’t. He will say – “Go ahead, you want to drink, then drink, and then don’t come to me even if you die”. Now who will drink if people hear something like this? Such are the methods of the gurus – cut throat. And if at all you go to drink, they will pinch you and throw you far away. You will be lying helpless, rotting away. Although such extreme methods are needed to correct people sometimes. Now let us see what happens when you drink – from a ‘scientific’ point of view. Because, since I am the ‘mother’, I ‘should’ tell you about the consequences. Gurus aren’t like that. Consider yourself extremely fortunate if they answer even one question of yours. Because they consider you all to be fools, they think like “why get involved”. They will say – “come tomorrow, then day after tomorrow”, and so on. Then we will hang you upside down for a few days. Then probably dunk you in some well. They we will judge your faith -“And when finally we are assured, then we will give you some knowledge – let us see what you are made of”. This is their style(Mother laughs). So now, about drinking. There is a scientific reason to it. These gurus weren’t talking nonsense when they prohibited drinking. Everything they have said has a scientific reason to it. Now take this gold, it has its dharma too – meaning it will never turn black. If gold decides to leave its dharma then it no longer remains gold. Likewise if a human gives up his dharma, then he ceases to be a human and turns into an animal. So this dharma needs to be held onto. Now I’ll explain the scientific part of it – why you shouldn’t drink. What happens when you drink. What is alcohol – it is a polish. Just polish - not to be taken into your stomach. Some stupid person consumed it, felt a little dizzy - and then asked everyone to drink that. That’s how it began. The brain of a human can be so stupid sometimes. That is a fact – you needn’t feel bad about it. It started out as polish. Now someone needs to tell you that you shouldn’t consume it, right? But who will listen if you put it that ways. Now let us see what happens, ‘scientifically’. Our liver is where our attention gets activated. It is supported by our liver. If we get too much bile, don’t we feel nauseous? So what alcohol does is, it coats the liver with it – just like polish does. Not only that, but the blood too gets coated with that polish. So now the water which comprises the blood – the OH ions in it, they get trapped. The ones in blood can’t cross over into the liver and vice versa. So the heat that gets generated in the liver due to our day to day activities has no way to get out. And since it cannot get out, it keeps burning the liver up from the inside. The liver breaking down from the inside. And the polish coats the veins from the inside walls as well. The ones passing through the heart too. So now the veins cannot provide any momentum to the OH ions as well. Logically speaking, if you drink alcohol, you should get a fever – but that doesn’t happen. Same is the case with cancer – a person never gets any fever. That is because the affected organ isolates that fever. The heat is contained within that organ. Until that heat passes into the bloodstream, travels through the body and dissipates itself through the flesh – that heat is going to stay there in that organ. So now you have several different organs burning together and then you have problems like diabetes, cirrhosis etc and then the person dies. Everyone has to die – but at least die in a proper way! It is like what they say in Hindi – “Aa beil mujhe maar” – meaning there is a bull walking down the road and you call out to him asking him to come hit you. Who asked you to anger him? Likewise, who asked you to consume this polish? So the first thing the gurus told was to not drink. People think – “are these gurus crazy – how is one not supposed to drink? Why are they so against alcohol”? But no one wants to ask about the consequences of drinking. Then there will be strikes – because extra money is needed for the booze. And then they will beat their wives and children. There are many examples like such. Prem Chand (an author from India) has written a very nice story about it – there was this one person who was addicted to drinking. Whenever someone scolded him about it, he would swear that he would never drink again. His mother kept telling people to not give him any money, because she knew he would blow it all on the bottle. Yet whenever he got a chance he would drink. His mother died one day. So he went around asking for money from people – for the funeral. The people took pity and cuffed up enough money for the funeral services. Then he took that money and headed out to the market to arrange the funeral. But on the way he stumbled across a wine shop. And yet again, he blew all that money away. And the mother got left behind as is. So you see, people have this stupid mentality – which sees a person having lost his control when he steps out of a bar, yet, still wants to go and do the same thing for itself! Can’t we see it? At least you have the eyes to see before walking into the shop, even if you don’t have them when you are stepping out. But if some Guru says that you shouldn’t drink – you will say that he is a fake. Is it so? Why? “Because he is talking rubbish – to think of abstaining yourselves from alcohol in this modern life is nonsensical”. So now you think you have become something special? I guess you probably must have turned into some new life form then. Have any horns sprung out through your heads? Look now, you are all humans. You started out as human beings and are still the same. And what was said in the olden times is still valid today as well. The truth never changes. The untruth keeps changing but the truth stays the same. Another issue - the problems with your throat. Meaning - the cigarette, the tobacco. Gurus have clearly said – Do not consume tobacco. So now people say – “then why did Shiva do so”? That was his job, to consume all the bad things in this world – you don’t take that poison within yourself now, do you? Are ‘you’ Shiva? He is Shiva, that’s why. Dattatreya himself would take in all such things – but actually he is consuming into himself all the poison that is present within you all. But are ‘you’ him? He is god. He is the almighty – you can’t compare yourself to him. He sucks in all your negativities. Now, I eat your negativities, your bhoots everyday – I don’t have any space left inside my stomach. That is the reason I am growing this big belly, with eating all those bhoots. Can you do that – eat someone’s bhoot? Can you get one inside your stomach? If at all you manage to take one in, you will totally start dancing. Likewise if these gurus smoked, it doesn’t mean that you start puffing up clouds of tobacco. They will never get a high from tobacco as you do – they have conquered it. Not only that but they took to all such things only to take your addictions away. There are many things about them that you won’t be able to understand. So, are you them? - that makes you think that you can walk their path? Without establishing your dharma, without setting it right – you will never be able to grasp the knowledge of your atma. But the concepts of dharma, as this world knows it today, are so complicated and twisted – “ I don’t drink, I don’t even consume garlic”. Is it so? Okay, you don’t drink, you don’t eat garlic, onions, etc. - You don’t do anything, granted. Then why is your void catching? Void meaning where Datta (Lord Dattatreya) resides, in the stomach. “But I am a huge opponent of Muslims”. That’s it – you have lost your quality of ‘Avdhoota’. The avdhootas have been offended. These entities – say Mohammad, or Janaka, or Sai Nath – do you think any of these belong to any religion, caste or creed? Say, we keep a photograph of Sai Nath in our home – who was he? Wasn’t he a muslim? Be truthful. So if someone becomes a muslim, he turns bad – how did you form this conclusion? Who was Kabir Das? Who was Nanak? Dyaneshwar came from a different caste – so all the brahmins troubled him. These so called brahmins – those that aren’t realized amongst the humans are not brahmins - They are just for namesake. Those that haven’t taken to the task of the brahma, those that haven’t achieved god yet – those people shouldn’t be called brahmins. And the ones that are true brahmins will forever be in search of god, and not money. They won’t extort money in temples from people, where they sit clanging bells. So all such false people – call them brahmins, or mullah, priest, or pope – they are all peas from the same pod. All these people have troubled and tortured the avhootas – because when the real officers of Dharma are present, the false ones will be threatened. What authority do these fake people have on Dharma? The authority is of those people who became avdhootas. Those are the real officers. The term ‘avdhoota’ itself signifies - all religions alike. Sai Nath used to say – to mock any religion or dharma is a sin. You have no right to comment about any religion, because you haven’t grasped a thing about any of it. The main element of dharma is, that is resides in everyone. It resides in each and everything. Meaning, the inanimate object as well. Take the elements for example. They are perfectly alright. Carbon will always be carbon. The gold doesn’t turn into silver and vice versa. The river’s dharma will apply to river, and that of the rock will apply to rock. Same for the sun and the moon. Not only that but the scorpion will always stay a scorpion - it won’t turn into a tiger. And no one has seen a tiger turning into a deer. Everyone has their own dharma. So shouldn’t a human have one too? Or is he going to keep floating in the midair? The birds who fly with the wind – they too have their dharma. So likewise we do have our own dharma as well. If it won’t exist then we wouldn’t as well. But only the human has the capability to cross his dharma, rise above it and go beyond -even beyond all the ‘gunas’. But, for him to transform into that, he needs to be present in his dharma first – this needs to be understood. So the main task of the avdhootas has been to destroy all the misconceptions about the dharma – misconceptions that breed doubt and fear within the hearts of people, due to which they start fighting and killing amongst themselves. Another task has been to destroy all the lies that have spread out through this world in the name of dharma and to thrash all the people who make money spreading such lies. We are proud of these our children(avdhootas). It takes a lot of courage to undertake such tasks. Extremely laudable, those tasks are. They require a lot of bravery to be achieved. The Avdhootas have done a lot of great work, especially in our Maharashtra - So much so that I had to take my birth over here and no other place. This place has been rightly named (‘Maharashtra’ literally means ‘great state’ - ‘Maha’ means great, ‘rashtra’ means state). But we should first see how we ‘Maharashtrians’ are – If lotuses(saints) spring out in dirt, that doesn’t make the dirt any more important or similar to the lotuses. So are we the insects that crawl in that dirt, or are we the ones that fly out towards the lotuses – that needs to be seen now. Now, it is only the human that can change his dharma. Furthermore he is the only one who can go beyond the dharma, beyond the gunas – the animal cannot do so. So you see, this dharma of humans is so great – it needs to be safeguarded with utmost importance and respect. You keep yourself in balance, follow your dharma in a proper way. That doesn’t mean reciting the name of god a thousand times when you wake up in the mornings. This dharma is all to do with your sincerity – you need to be sincere about yourself, about your dharma. There shouldn’t be any show off – like someone wears weird clothing and proclaims himself to be a dharmic person. Such fakes come from time to time to argue with me. He who has put the dharma in balance is the real Brahmin and a real human being. This balance needs to be safeguarded. If adharma starts increasing, then incarnations take birth - else it doesn’t work out. And then those ‘avataras’(incarnations) are not really gentle. For example, the destroying power of Krishna. You need to bear in mind that although they are incarnations of the divine, they are not those of the mother. These folks (incarnations) start off with swords in their hand to bring forth the destruction. But then I stepped in the middle for no reason(Mother laughs) – I said, let them first get to know their ‘atma’ and start walking the righteous path. Get that invaluable treasure that has been your property all this while. Enjoy that state of being your true ‘you’. Play along with it. And use that to become one with others. To help you achieve all this – that is our work. That is why we have come on this earth, to give you all that. That, you take. You should take it. It doesn’t require any money. Doesn’t require anything. There is no need to show off – we can see everything, in and out. You only need to desire and ask for it from within, sincerely - that’s it. About that, yes, the gurus do disagree with me- Why give realization to every tom, dick and harry, they say. I tell them they are somewhat right - But then there is no other way. If this realization doesn’t work out collectively in an amass way, then what will happen of my children? – they are my blood as well. They are my creation too. And so the mother has to save it. Until there is even a spec of energy left inside her, until the last drop of blood in her – she will try to save her child. She doesn’t sit counting – how many sins has that child committed, how he has been behaving. But you need to bear wisdom. And you need to stand by your dharma. We will bestow upon you, all its knowledge in detail. All that knowledge which the gurus refrain from giving you, we will give you all of it. As we hold them in high regards, we hold you too. And your state will keep changing, getting higher. Now, take all of it. Furthermore, how to give realization to others, how to bestow this grace onto them – learn that as well. How to clarify the chakras, how to cure others etc. – we will teach you all of that. All, that is secret, we will teach you all of that. Granted. But you need to realize this - now that we have made you an avdhoota, you need to be able to sit like one. You need to forget everything from your past. We have entered a new life. So now we need to have the dignity of a king - the begging should end. Yet people say that “Mother, my son still hasn’t got a job” – and then I sit with my forehead in my hand (facepalm)! Is this something that you ask of your mother? We have come to give you something invaluable and yet you keep begging for petty things. All of those things will be taken care of. Once you get connected with the divine, all of it will work out. But you need to raise your state. The power to be able to recognize your true self, then recognize the true self of others through it and then finally recognize god - Do you realize how big a treasure, how great a power is that? You don’t. And that is only because it was us who came running to you and gave this to you saying ‘take it’, and not the other way around. People say that India got its freedom without paying a big price - that is the reason for this situation. They(avdhootas) tell me – “Mother, don’t give it away so easily, make them slog a little”. But, the time is running out – that is what you don’t understand. But I do – there is no time left anymore. And the love of a mother will never accept that it is okay for her children to go waste. No matter how bad they are, the mother will always end up putting the last bit of her life to stake to save them. This motherhood cannot be understood. That is the reason we came here running for you. But then again, for you to recognize us in this Kaliyuga – that is something great. Not only is that, but the rate at which Sahaja has spread is astonishing. I am surprised at myself – never in the history of the divine has this work been done at such fast a rate. Previously, you built so many temples of us – and we are present there as well. But such a task has never been achieved where the human has been taken beyond his dharma, beyond his ‘gunas’. It is very surprising, really. What a miracle! It seems as if all the Paramchaitanya has descended to the earth from the heavens. But not so much in the cities. In the cities, the mentality of people has become heavy. Though the environment of the city has turned it that ways. But Sahaja is such that it changes you in and out. And it is a living process. It is not dead – for example if a house gets dilapidated, it is gone. But, a tree – you can heal it from the root to the leaf. It’s the same with humans. And likewise, once you get the blessings of Sahaja, its light starts spreading through the inner being. And through the collective consciousness as well. Now you cannot do anything to achieve it. That is a fact. You needn’t put in any efforts. In olden times, people who achieved their realization did ‘Hatha-yoga’. But that was a very arduous task. Back then, they used to work on both their ‘nadis’(channels, left and right) and cleanse themselves. That too, they had to finish doing all that before they turned 25. And they had to be celibate while doing that. Nowadays people start off by doing any ‘asanaas’( yoga postures) they see. Why do you need to do them – do you want to become cinema actors, or wrestlers or boxers? To bring all your attention to the physical – that won’t help you. To ascend through that type of yoga – it is not as simple as you think it is. To begin with, it should be ‘ashtanga’(a type of yoga based on eight principles and consisting of a series of poses executed in swift succession, combined with deep, controlled breathing). And most importantly it should be an act of devotion - ‘Ishvar Pranidhana’(Completely surrendered to God), as they call it. That is not an easy task. So, people had to go through such excruciating training – and then, out of them, the one who became a guru had to be an even greater personality. He had to be an ‘avdhoota’. ‘Avdhoota’ represents a very high state. Nowadays you get gurus on sale – “give us 1 rupee (Indian currency) and we will become your guru. Don’t have it – okay, then give us 5 pennies and we will do it”. You will get such type of gurus as well. And they have indeed arrived on this earth as well – these rakshasas – to empty your pocket. To fill you up with adharma. Those who teach you adharma can never be the gurus. In these modern times, there are a lot of people doing adharmic activities to make money. They will teach you smuggling. “If you do smuggling then that would be beneficial” – they will tell you. “We will be your guru – if you give 10% of your profits, that would be alright”. Now what to call such people – gurus of dharma or gurus of smuggling? “You may act the way you want – you drink? That’s fine, send us bit of your stock(alcohol) as well. If it’s from England then that’s even better. Smoke cigarettes? – that’s good. Open up a factory – that would be best. But send a bit of it our way as well.” So you will have a lot of people teaching you adharma. People like Rajneesh. Another category of such people – who conjure diamonds to give out to others. Now, what value would a diamond have in the kingdom of God - They are nothing but stones and rocks. They will give you a diamond and take back ten from you. But to you it seems magical – you think “Wow, how can someone create diamonds?!” First of all, why did you go there? - To see the diamonds or to meet your inner self? Did you go there to meet your atma or to see the diamond business? You have so many Jewel shops around for that if you indeed are interested in diamonds - Why do you need to go such gurus under a false pretext then? The work of real gurus takes place in the forests. They reside in the forests. The fake ones make lectures - I haven’t heard of any real guru performing lectures so far. Then they come out with their books. What are you (fake gurus) giving the lecture about – do you have anything to show for practical? Such antics will never lead you(fake guru) to god. If you(fake guru) are real, then enlighten the god within us. And then such people have huge chests and trunks outside their doors – ‘donate as per your devotion’! You should give them your shoes and tell them that that is your devotion, then they will be set alright. Tomorrow, your kids will start scolding you about your stupidity - about how you have been throwing all your money away, questioning whether you even have any brains. Seeing your nonsense, they will get fed up and renounce the pursuit of god altogether. And then atheism will set in. It has to. Because sane human beings have brains – they are not donkeys. After they have seen your stupidity, after they have seen all the nonsense that has been happening in the temples with their own eyes – they will indeed turn into atheists. They are rational beings - unlike old fags who shut their eyes when it comes to irrational things and ideas. They have brains – they think. The upcoming generation is going to stand up and question you – “You didn’t have anything better to do? Is that why you took to all this nonsense? Clapping up bells and filling up the pockets of priests in the temples.” What answer will you give them then? What did you get out of all that? What changed within you? Nothing at all. If you want to know God then you have to first get to know your atma. Without achieving your atma you can never come to know the almighty. You cannot find god by worshipping his idols at home. First get to know your atma and then there will be some meaning to that worshipping. First open up the eyes of your atma – and then you will be able to see god, feel him. And his powers will start flowing through you. It is just like this (mother points to some electrical instrument – the mic, probably) – unless you connect the cord to the mains, it remains meaningless. And exactly like that, you too are meaningless. The meeting with the atma needs to happen. There is only one main difference between you and the avdhootas. In an avdhoota, the being needs to be cleansed first – it needs to be turned into a first class instrument. Some say that they had to slog and work upon themselves from the time they were frogs – from thousands of years ago. The body, mind and thoughts – they had to completely cleanse it. They had to make the being completely perfect – like the Rolls Royce car. And then, start it. Now we have a lot of Fiat cars as well. And also second, third, fourth and fifth hand cars. Now what to do – if at all they do, how long will they take to turn into Rolls Royces? Instead we decided – let us start them, to begin with. Let us fire up the engines. And once the car starts – all the things that are not pure start dropping off slowly, you won’t be able to carry them upon yourself anymore. And the human becomes complete. This is the only big difference. The reason why mother is awakening your Kundalini is just this – we start your engines. And then this, your car, starts rolling – moves a little, then stops – then we give a push, again it starts rolling – so on and so forth. And now we have learnt everything there is to know about you. In this lifetime I have come to learn all the things about humans – their stupidity, their over smartness, how their mind works in various twisted ways, why they do the foolish acts they do etc. etc. – we have come to know everything about you, totally - we have turned into humans ourselves in that sense. If anyone comes before us, we know about them already. We know all the permutations and combinations about everyone and we have the keys to all of you as well. So regardless of how damaged a car is brought to us, we know how to start it (Mother laughs). So that’s how it is. Because the time is less. And to bestow upon you has become a necessity. So now, how to give you? Just take it, once and for all, somehow. So people get their realization, then they leave, and then eventually come back when they lose their vibrations – then we set them alright, push their cars – and so it goes. Although, there are some people who start rolling beautifully once they get their realization. Another thing - you people haven’t realized your worth. Now you have arrived here – what does that signify? You wouldn’t have come here unless there was something special about you, right? In the whole of Mumbai, why did only a handful of you chanced upon coming here? Everyone knows that we give realization. Everyone knows that we have cured cancer - No one has any doubts about it. No one ever questioned us about it. It is because they know that we know the truth. Yet, it was only you who eventually ended up coming here. So there must be something special about you, isn’t it? Who knows, maybe we owe you a lot from your previous lives. And who knows, we might have given you so many promises – So today we must come to fulfill them. I did feel bad about the fact that I came a little late (Mother apparently came late to the program). The previous task held me up quite a bit – but I knew I had to come here because I had to meet special people. And I was worried that you my children would have gotten tired of waiting and all, how would you manage to listen to what I had to say. Anyways, so all the questions – what is Kundalini, how it gets awakened, how it rises, what are chakras etc – we will tell you all about it later. Let us not have that headache for the time being. It is like – if you want to enter a room, you first need to light a lamp. And then you can see everything inside. So, bring in the light first. Later on, we will tell you all about its engineering – how it works, what is the machinery behind it, its history etc. Let there be light first, and then we will talk. And we will tell you everything – that’s what we are sitting here for. And there are a lot of books as well. Take them, read them, see for yourself. But come on this path. It is not just the path of God, it is your path as well. You, who evolved from amoebas to humans, now have to turn into super-humans. It must happen. That is why we created you in the first place. If we create this machine but don’t plug it to the mains – then what is the point?! All our efforts would go to waste. That is why we are toiling and hurrying. That is the only reason. Because those have all been our efforts, and so we need to finish the task by completing this final stage. And you might ask why I am so concerned - You don’t know how you turned into humans from amoebas. And you also don’t know what you will turn into next. This is all our doing, and that’s the reason we are so concerned, so restless. So please do us a favor and get it. And it will happen. Everyone sit with your hands like this now. And now don’t ask any questions, because that just wastes time.

22nd January 1979 – YMCA Hall, Andheri (A talk about ‘Avdhootas’) Some of our sisters have started the work of spreading the knowledge of Atma in this area. And we are seeing here – that a person(Mother seems to be referring to some person) who praises the avdhootas and is a devotee of lord Dattatreya, he has supported this effort. This is indeed something special. Ultimately, Avdhootas are our children as well. Although, they have a different state – their efforts are different, so are their rewards. They are great people. They are in their own different worlds. Everyone has earned their powers. They do work for you as well, that is going on as well. They are big people – if you call them my children that’s fine too. But so far I wasn’t able to chance upon meeting them. Because the genuine ones have left the society to live in the forests and mountains. If I ask them to come down they say – “we will come down after 10 or 12 years, the people below are all donkeys”. That is their style. You see, all of them have got their realization through their own efforts. Like a brother says while referring to his younger sibling – “I went through so many hardships and had to suffer so many ordeals, but this fellow over here gets it without doing anything”. So it comes as no surprise if they have the same mentality – because they have slogged a lot. They have earned it through a lot of arduous efforts and self-discipline. By burning themselves day and night, they have corrected everything within themselves. It can be said that they turned into their own enemy. So their methods are extremely arduous. “You are a mother, you work hard and give it to them for free, we will come later on” – this is what they say. They are present, a lot of avdhootas are here in India. But mine is the heart of a mother – so everyone is the same for me. They are sweet towards me. And they are extremely obedient to me. That level of obedience is absent among sahaja yogis – Because, you see a small child, he goes and sits on your head. Extremely obedient, they(avdhootas) know every minute thing about me. Who is mother, where are all the chakras located in her, where are the deities residing – they know everything accurately. They know everything about me. Every one of them has got the opportunity to behold the sight of me before I even came down (on this earth). I was surprised when they narrated their experiences. Some said they saw the ‘Shri’ chakra, some say they saw the ‘Lalita’ chakra. That is true, they will never lie. You didn’t see what they saw. And also you don’t realize who I am, because you don’t have that sight – how can see then? They have that sight. It is surprising that there is a gentleman in Rangoon who is an avadhoota. Not only in India, but they can be found all around the world. Prophet Mohammad was an avadhoota. King Janaka was an avadhoota, so was Nanak. Many of them(avadhootas) did a lot of work in this Maharashtra. It is only because of their work here did I take my birth in this place. Sai Nath was the last of them from Maharashtra. Their work establishes the dharma. Or more like – the dharma settles down in that place. They take their form on this earth only to fulfill that goal. When the human loses his faith in Dharma – why should I do this? – When he starts thinking this ways, then the avadhootas take birth on this earth. And wherever they may be – in forests or mountains, dead or alive – all they do is keep working on giving you the validations of Dharma. If you tell lies and start suffering from its consequences then realize that there is some avadhoota, sitting on some mountain in the Himalayas, who is responsible for whatever is happening to you. He is the one putting you alright. The human doesn’t realize his mistakes otherwise. The mother’s love spoils them. For a mother to become a guru is not a simple task. If at all, one should become guru of a child such as Ganesha – who doesn’t need to be told, who recognizes his mother. Or such as Christ. Now sometimes people sit with their feet pointing towards me – Don’t do that, now how should I tell them – Recognize who I am. If you do something like that and if tomorrow Hanuman smacks you then you will be coming to me to tell me that “see - we do Sahaja and look what happened to us”. But such things needn’t be told to the Avdhootas, they know who I am. They know everything. We had once sent a gentleman to an Avdhoota. He asked that gentleman to go up the mountain with buckets full of water to wash the temple of Mahadev, every day. When I asked him why he did such a thing he replied – “the donkey should get the work that befits him and likewise for the horse. Why do you need to give them their realizations, mother?” Their ways are meant to imbibe discipline in you. Sahaja can’t work out without discipline. Discipline is a must. One type of discipline is what you learn from the outside. The other one needs to come from within – This type is called Dharma. Discipline and Dharma, these two concepts are one and the same. The Dharma in humans has at least 10 aspects of discipline to it that should be followed - and all Gurus have emphasized that this needs to happen. They could be in the form of Mohammad, Nanak or Janak. The main point that the guru has put forth is that you shouldn’t consume alcohol. Now why did every one of them say that? Although Christ never said it, neither did Ram, nor did Krishna – because these forms came on earth for a specific task. And they only spoke what needed to be told to fulfil those tasks. But all the powers of a guru are meant to bring your dharma back to its correct state. No person can be higher or lower than the other. Now, are the eyes more important, or are the ears, or the nose? – It becomes this type of a question. The gurus, they reside in our stomach. And they stay there in the form of the power that brings our dharma into balance. As soon as you start doing adharmic things they will hit you. “What ill will happen if I drink, mother”? I will give you the answer to that question. But a Guru won’t. He will say – “Go ahead, you want to drink, then drink, and then don’t come to me even if you die”. Now who will drink if people hear something like this? Such are the methods of the gurus – cut throat. And if at all you go to drink, they will pinch you and throw you far away. You will be lying helpless, rotting away. Although such extreme methods are needed to correct people sometimes. Now let us see what happens when you drink – from a ‘scientific’ point of view. Because, since I am the ‘mother’, I ‘should’ tell you about the consequences. Gurus aren’t like that. Consider yourself extremely fortunate if they answer even one question of yours. Because they consider you all to be fools, they think like “why get involved”. They will say – “come tomorrow, then day after tomorrow”, and so on. Then we will hang you upside down for a few days. Then probably dunk you in some well. They we will judge your faith -“And when finally we are assured, then we will give you some knowledge – let us see what you are made of”. This is their style(Mother laughs). So now, about drinking. There is a scientific reason to it. These gurus weren’t talking nonsense when they prohibited drinking. Everything they have said has a scientific reason to it. Now take this gold, it has its dharma too – meaning it will never turn black. If gold decides to leave its dharma then it no longer remains gold. Likewise if a human gives up his dharma, then he ceases to be a human and turns into an animal. So this dharma needs to be held onto. Now I’ll explain the scientific part of it – why you shouldn’t drink. What happens when you drink. What is alcohol – it is a polish. Just polish - not to be taken into your stomach. Some stupid person consumed it, felt a little dizzy - and then asked everyone to drink that. That’s how it began. The brain of a human can be so stupid sometimes. That is a fact – you needn’t feel bad about it. It started out as polish. Now someone needs to tell you that you shouldn’t consume it, right? But who will listen if you put it that ways. Now let us see what happens, ‘scientifically’. Our liver is where our attention gets activated. It is supported by our liver. If we get too much bile, don’t we feel nauseous? So what alcohol does is, it coats the liver with it – just like polish does. Not only that, but the blood too gets coated with that polish. So now the water which comprises the blood – the OH ions in it, they get trapped. The ones in blood can’t cross over into the liver and vice versa. So the heat that gets generated in the liver due to our day to day activities has no way to get out. And since it cannot get out, it keeps burning the liver up from the inside. The liver breaking down from the inside. And the polish coats the veins from the inside walls as well. The ones passing through the heart too. So now the veins cannot provide any momentum to the OH ions as well. Logically speaking, if you drink alcohol, you should get a fever – but that doesn’t happen. Same is the case with cancer – a person never gets any fever. That is because the affected organ isolates that fever. The heat is contained within that organ. Until that heat passes into the bloodstream, travels through the body and dissipates itself through the flesh – that heat is going to stay there in that organ. So now you have several different organs burning together and then you have problems like diabetes, cirrhosis etc and then the person dies. Everyone has to die – but at least die in a proper way! It is like what they say in Hindi – “Aa beil mujhe maar” – meaning there is a bull walking down the road and you call out to him asking him to come hit you. Who asked you to anger him? Likewise, who asked you to consume this polish? So the first thing the gurus told was to not drink. People think – “are these gurus crazy – how is one not supposed to drink? Why are they so against alcohol”? But no one wants to ask about the consequences of drinking. Then there will be strikes – because extra money is needed for the booze. And then they will beat their wives and children. There are many examples like such. Prem Chand (an author from India) has written a very nice story about it – there was this one person who was addicted to drinking. Whenever someone scolded him about it, he would swear that he would never drink again. His mother kept telling people to not give him any money, because she knew he would blow it all on the bottle. Yet whenever he got a chance he would drink. His mother died one day. So he went around asking for money from people – for the funeral. The people took pity and cuffed up enough money for the funeral services. Then he took that money and headed out to the market to arrange the funeral. But on the way he stumbled across a wine shop. And yet again, he blew all that money away. And the mother got left behind as is. So you see, people have this stupid mentality – which sees a person having lost his control when he steps out of a bar, yet, still wants to go and do the same thing for itself! Can’t we see it? At least you have the eyes to see before walking into the shop, even if you don’t have them when you are stepping out. But if some Guru says that you shouldn’t drink – you will say that he is a fake. Is it so? Why? “Because he is talking rubbish – to think of abstaining yourselves from alcohol in this modern life is nonsensical”. So now you think you have become something special? I guess you probably must have turned into some new life form then. Have any horns sprung out through your heads? Look now, you are all humans. You started out as human beings and are still the same. And what was said in the olden times is still valid today as well. The truth never changes. The untruth keeps changing but the truth stays the same. Another issue - the problems with your throat. Meaning - the cigarette, the tobacco. Gurus have clearly said – Do not consume tobacco. So now people say – “then why did Shiva do so”? That was his job, to consume all the bad things in this world – you don’t take that poison within yourself now, do you? Are ‘you’ Shiva? He is Shiva, that’s why. Dattatreya himself would take in all such things – but actually he is consuming into himself all the poison that is present within you all. But are ‘you’ him? He is god. He is the almighty – you can’t compare yourself to him. He sucks in all your negativities. Now, I eat your negativities, your bhoots everyday – I don’t have any space left inside my stomach. That is the reason I am growing this big belly, with eating all those bhoots. Can you do that – eat someone’s bhoot? Can you get one inside your stomach? If at all you manage to take one in, you will totally start dancing. Likewise if these gurus smoked, it doesn’t mean that you start puffing up clouds of tobacco. They will never get a high from tobacco as you do – they have conquered it. Not only that but they took to all such things only to take your addictions away. There are many things about them that you won’t be able to understand. So, are you them? - that makes you think that you can walk their path? Without establishing your dharma, without setting it right – you will never be able to grasp the knowledge of your atma. But the concepts of dharma, as this world knows it today, are so complicated and twisted – “ I don’t drink, I don’t even consume garlic”. Is it so? Okay, you don’t drink, you don’t eat garlic, onions, etc. - You don’t do anything, granted. Then why is your void catching? Void meaning where Datta (Lord Dattatreya) resides, in the stomach. “But I am a huge opponent of Muslims”. That’s it – you have lost your quality of ‘Avdhoota’. The avdhootas have been offended. These entities – say Mohammad, or Janaka, or Sai Nath – do you think any of these belong to any religion, caste or creed? Say, we keep a photograph of Sai Nath in our home – who was he? Wasn’t he a muslim? Be truthful. So if someone becomes a muslim, he turns bad – how did you form this conclusion? Who was Kabir Das? Who was Nanak? Dyaneshwar came from a different caste – so all the brahmins troubled him. These so called brahmins – those that aren’t realized amongst the humans are not brahmins - They are just for namesake. Those that haven’t taken to the task of the brahma, those that haven’t achieved god yet – those people shouldn’t be called brahmins. And the ones that are true brahmins will forever be in search of god, and not money. They won’t extort money in temples from people, where they sit clanging bells. So all such false people – call them brahmins, or mullah, priest, or pope – they are all peas from the same pod. All these people have troubled and tortured the avhootas – because when the real officers of Dharma are present, the false ones will be threatened. What authority do these fake people have on Dharma? The authority is of those people who became avdhootas. Those are the real officers. The term ‘avdhoota’ itself signifies - all religions alike. Sai Nath used to say – to mock any religion or dharma is a sin. You have no right to comment about any religion, because you haven’t grasped a thing about any of it. The main element of dharma is, that is resides in everyone. It resides in each and everything. Meaning, the inanimate object as well. Take the elements for example. They are perfectly alright. Carbon will always be carbon. The gold doesn’t turn into silver and vice versa. The river’s dharma will apply to river, and that of the rock will apply to rock. Same for the sun and the moon. Not only that but the scorpion will always stay a scorpion - it won’t turn into a tiger. And no one has seen a tiger turning into a deer. Everyone has their own dharma. So shouldn’t a human have one too? Or is he going to keep floating in the midair? The birds who fly with the wind – they too have their dharma. So likewise we do have our own dharma as well. If it won’t exist then we wouldn’t as well. But only the human has the capability to cross his dharma, rise above it and go beyond -even beyond all the ‘gunas’. But, for him to transform into that, he needs to be present in his dharma first – this needs to be understood. So the main task of the avdhootas has been to destroy all the misconceptions about the dharma – misconceptions that breed doubt and fear within the hearts of people, due to which they start fighting and killing amongst themselves. Another task has been to destroy all the lies that have spread out through this world in the name of dharma and to thrash all the people who make money spreading such lies. We are proud of these our children(avdhootas). It takes a lot of courage to undertake such tasks. Extremely laudable, those tasks are. They require a lot of bravery to be achieved. The Avdhootas have done a lot of great work, especially in our Maharashtra - So much so that I had to take my birth over here and no other place. This place has been rightly named (‘Maharashtra’ literally means ‘great state’ - ‘Maha’ means great, ‘rashtra’ means state). But we should first see how we ‘Maharashtrians’ are – If lotuses(saints) spring out in dirt, that doesn’t make the dirt any more important or similar to the lotuses. So are we the insects that crawl in that dirt, or are we the ones that fly out towards the lotuses – that needs to be seen now. Now, it is only the human that can change his dharma. Furthermore he is the only one who can go beyond the dharma, beyond the gunas – the animal cannot do so. So you see, this dharma of humans is so great – it needs to be safeguarded with utmost importance and respect. You keep yourself in balance, follow your dharma in a proper way. That doesn’t mean reciting the name of god a thousand times when you wake up in the mornings. This dharma is all to do with your sincerity – you need to be sincere about yourself, about your dharma. There shouldn’t be any show off – like someone wears weird clothing and proclaims himself to be a dharmic person. Such fakes come from time to time to argue with me. He who has put the dharma in balance is the real Brahmin and a real human being. This balance needs to be safeguarded. If adharma starts increasing, then incarnations take birth - else it doesn’t work out. And then those ‘avataras’(incarnations) are not really gentle. For example, the destroying power of Krishna. You need to bear in mind that although they are incarnations of the divine, they are not those of the mother. These folks (incarnations) start off with swords in their hand to bring forth the destruction. But then I stepped in the middle for no reason(Mother laughs) – I said, let them first get to know their ‘atma’ and start walking the righteous path. Get that invaluable treasure that has been your property all this while. Enjoy that state of being your true ‘you’. Play along with it. And use that to become one with others. To help you achieve all this – that is our work. That is why we have come on this earth, to give you all that. That, you take. You should take it. It doesn’t require any money. Doesn’t require anything. There is no need to show off – we can see everything, in and out. You only need to desire and ask for it from within, sincerely - that’s it. About that, yes, the gurus do disagree with me- Why give realization to every tom, dick and harry, they say. I tell them they are somewhat right - But then there is no other way. If this realization doesn’t work out collectively in an amass way, then what will happen of my children? – they are my blood as well. They are my creation too. And so the mother has to save it. Until there is even a spec of energy left inside her, until the last drop of blood in her – she will try to save her child. She doesn’t sit counting – how many sins has that child committed, how he has been behaving. But you need to bear wisdom. And you need to stand by your dharma. We will bestow upon you, all its knowledge in detail. All that knowledge which the gurus refrain from giving you, we will give you all of it. As we hold them in high regards, we hold you too. And your state will keep changing, getting higher. Now, take all of it. Furthermore, how to give realization to others, how to bestow this grace onto them – learn that as well. How to clarify the chakras, how to cure others etc. – we will teach you all of that. All, that is secret, we will teach you all of that. Granted. But you need to realize this - now that we have made you an avdhoota, you need to be able to sit like one. You need to forget everything from your past. We have entered a new life. So now we need to have the dignity of a king - the begging should end. Yet people say that “Mother, my son still hasn’t got a job” – and then I sit with my forehead in my hand (facepalm)! Is this something that you ask of your mother? We have come to give you something invaluable and yet you keep begging for petty things. All of those things will be taken care of. Once you get connected with the divine, all of it will work out. But you need to raise your state. The power to be able to recognize your true self, then recognize the true self of others through it and then finally recognize god - Do you realize how big a treasure, how great a power is that? You don’t. And that is only because it was us who came running to you and gave this to you saying ‘take it’, and not the other way around. People say that India got its freedom without paying a big price - that is the reason for this situation. They(avdhootas) tell me – “Mother, don’t give it away so easily, make them slog a little”. But, the time is running out – that is what you don’t understand. But I do – there is no time left anymore. And the love of a mother will never accept that it is okay for her children to go waste. No matter how bad they are, the mother will always end up putting the last bit of her life to stake to save them. This motherhood cannot be understood. That is the reason we came here running for you. But then again, for you to recognize us in this Kaliyuga – that is something great. Not only is that, but the rate at which Sahaja has spread is astonishing. I am surprised at myself – never in the history of the divine has this work been done at such fast a rate. Previously, you built so many temples of us – and we are present there as well. But such a task has never been achieved where the human has been taken beyond his dharma, beyond his ‘gunas’. It is very surprising, really. What a miracle! It seems as if all the Paramchaitanya has descended to the earth from the heavens. But not so much in the cities. In the cities, the mentality of people has become heavy. Though the environment of the city has turned it that ways. But Sahaja is such that it changes you in and out. And it is a living process. It is not dead – for example if a house gets dilapidated, it is gone. But, a tree – you can heal it from the root to the leaf. It’s the same with humans. And likewise, once you get the blessings of Sahaja, its light starts spreading through the inner being. And through the collective consciousness as well. Now you cannot do anything to achieve it. That is a fact. You needn’t put in any efforts. In olden times, people who achieved their realization did ‘Hatha-yoga’. But that was a very arduous task. Back then, they used to work on both their ‘nadis’(channels, left and right) and cleanse themselves. That too, they had to finish doing all that before they turned 25. And they had to be celibate while doing that. Nowadays people start off by doing any ‘asanaas’( yoga postures) they see. Why do you need to do them – do you want to become cinema actors, or wrestlers or boxers? To bring all your attention to the physical – that won’t help you. To ascend through that type of yoga – it is not as simple as you think it is. To begin with, it should be ‘ashtanga’(a type of yoga based on eight principles and consisting of a series of poses executed in swift succession, combined with deep, controlled breathing). And most importantly it should be an act of devotion - ‘Ishvar Pranidhana’(Completely surrendered to God), as they call it. That is not an easy task. So, people had to go through such excruciating training – and then, out of them, the one who became a guru had to be an even greater personality. He had to be an ‘avdhoota’. ‘Avdhoota’ represents a very high state. Nowadays you get gurus on sale – “give us 1 rupee (Indian currency) and we will become your guru. Don’t have it – okay, then give us 5 pennies and we will do it”. You will get such type of gurus as well. And they have indeed arrived on this earth as well – these rakshasas – to empty your pocket. To fill you up with adharma. Those who teach you adharma can never be the gurus. In these modern times, there are a lot of people doing adharmic activities to make money. They will teach you smuggling. “If you do smuggling then that would be beneficial” – they will tell you. “We will be your guru – if you give 10% of your profits, that would be alright”. Now what to call such people – gurus of dharma or gurus of smuggling? “You may act the way you want – you drink? That’s fine, send us bit of your stock(alcohol) as well. If it’s from England then that’s even better. Smoke cigarettes? – that’s good. Open up a factory – that would be best. But send a bit of it our way as well.” So you will have a lot of people teaching you adharma. People like Rajneesh. Another category of such people – who conjure diamonds to give out to others. Now, what value would a diamond have in the kingdom of God - They are nothing but stones and rocks. They will give you a diamond and take back ten from you. But to you it seems magical – you think “Wow, how can someone create diamonds?!” First of all, why did you go there? - To see the diamonds or to meet your inner self? Did you go there to meet your atma or to see the diamond business? You have so many Jewel shops around for that if you indeed are interested in diamonds - Why do you need to go such gurus under a false pretext then? The work of real gurus takes place in the forests. They reside in the forests. The fake ones make lectures - I haven’t heard of any real guru performing lectures so far. Then they come out with their books. What are you (fake gurus) giving the lecture about – do you have anything to show for practical? Such antics will never lead you(fake guru) to god. If you(fake guru) are real, then enlighten the god within us. And then such people have huge chests and trunks outside their doors – ‘donate as per your devotion’! You should give them your shoes and tell them that that is your devotion, then they will be set alright. Tomorrow, your kids will start scolding you about your stupidity - about how you have been throwing all your money away, questioning whether you even have any brains. Seeing your nonsense, they will get fed up and renounce the pursuit of god altogether. And then atheism will set in. It has to. Because sane human beings have brains – they are not donkeys. After they have seen your stupidity, after they have seen all the nonsense that has been happening in the temples with their own eyes – they will indeed turn into atheists. They are rational beings - unlike old fags who shut their eyes when it comes to irrational things and ideas. They have brains – they think. The upcoming generation is going to stand up and question you – “You didn’t have anything better to do? Is that why you took to all this nonsense? Clapping up bells and filling up the pockets of priests in the temples.” What answer will you give them then? What did you get out of all that? What changed within you? Nothing at all. If you want to know God then you have to first get to know your atma. Without achieving your atma you can never come to know the almighty. You cannot find god by worshipping his idols at home. First get to know your atma and then there will be some meaning to that worshipping. First open up the eyes of your atma – and then you will be able to see god, feel him. And his powers will start flowing through you. It is just like this (mother points to some electrical instrument – the mic, probably) – unless you connect the cord to the mains, it remains meaningless. And exactly like that, you too are meaningless. The meeting with the atma needs to happen. There is only one main difference between you and the avdhootas. In an avdhoota, the being needs to be cleansed first – it needs to be turned into a first class instrument. Some say that they had to slog and work upon themselves from the time they were frogs – from thousands of years ago. The body, mind and thoughts – they had to completely cleanse it. They had to make the being completely perfect – like the Rolls Royce car. And then, start it. Now we have a lot of Fiat cars as well. And also second, third, fourth and fifth hand cars. Now what to do – if at all they do, how long will they take to turn into Rolls Royces? Instead we decided – let us start them, to begin with. Let us fire up the engines. And once the car starts – all the things that are not pure start dropping off slowly, you won’t be able to carry them upon yourself anymore. And the human becomes complete. This is the only big difference. The reason why mother is awakening your Kundalini is just this – we start your engines. And then this, your car, starts rolling – moves a little, then stops – then we give a push, again it starts rolling – so on and so forth. And now we have learnt everything there is to know about you. In this lifetime I have come to learn all the things about humans – their stupidity, their over smartness, how their mind works in various twisted ways, why they do the foolish acts they do etc. etc. – we have come to know everything about you, totally - we have turned into humans ourselves in that sense. If anyone comes before us, we know about them already. We know all the permutations and combinations about everyone and we have the keys to all of you as well. So regardless of how damaged a car is brought to us, we know how to start it (Mother laughs). So that’s how it is. Because the time is less. And to bestow upon you has become a necessity. So now, how to give you? Just take it, once and for all, somehow. So people get their realization, then they leave, and then eventually come back when they lose their vibrations – then we set them alright, push their cars – and so it goes. Although, there are some people who start rolling beautifully once they get their realization. Another thing - you people haven’t realized your worth. Now you have arrived here – what does that signify? You wouldn’t have come here unless there was something special about you, right? In the whole of Mumbai, why did only a handful of you chanced upon coming here? Everyone knows that we give realization. Everyone knows that we have cured cancer - No one has any doubts about it. No one ever questioned us about it. It is because they know that we know the truth. Yet, it was only you who eventually ended up coming here. So there must be something special about you, isn’t it? Who knows, maybe we owe you a lot from your previous lives. And who knows, we might have given you so many promises – So today we must come to fulfill them. I did feel bad about the fact that I came a little late (Mother apparently came late to the program). The previous task held me up quite a bit – but I knew I had to come here because I had to meet special people. And I was worried that you my children would have gotten tired of waiting and all, how would you manage to listen to what I had to say. Anyways, so all the questions – what is Kundalini, how it gets awakened, how it rises, what are chakras etc – we will tell you all about it later. Let us not have that headache for the time being. It is like – if you want to enter a room, you first need to light a lamp. And then you can see everything inside. So, bring in the light first. Later on, we will tell you all about its engineering – how it works, what is the machinery behind it, its history etc. Let there be light first, and then we will talk. And we will tell you everything – that’s what we are sitting here for. And there are a lot of books as well. Take them, read them, see for yourself. But come on this path. It is not just the path of God, it is your path as well. You, who evolved from amoebas to humans, now have to turn into super-humans. It must happen. That is why we created you in the first place. If we create this machine but don’t plug it to the mains – then what is the point?! All our efforts would go to waste. That is why we are toiling and hurrying. That is the only reason. Because those have all been our efforts, and so we need to finish the task by completing this final stage. And you might ask why I am so concerned - You don’t know how you turned into humans from amoebas. And you also don’t know what you will turn into next. This is all our doing, and that’s the reason we are so concerned, so restless. So please do us a favor and get it. And it will happen. Everyone sit with your hands like this now. And now don’t ask any questions, because that just wastes time.

1/26/1979

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2/1/1979

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Creation, Man and his fulfillment (Universe is a beautiful cosmos)

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Lecture given at Gandhi Bhawan, Delhi University (India), on 1 February 1979. In this lecture I should talk about the creation. I would switch on from the time, when we were just amoebae. Before that, what happened and how we were created, this universe was created, I’ll tell you tomorrow morning. It is not difficult to find out how this universe is organized. Every scientist who is open minded can see for himself that this universe is a beautiful cosmos, is very well organized and has run very smoothly and can also deduce that the creation of this universe, this particular universe has led to the creation of this Mother Earth. Five million years back, about, this Mother Earth in gaseous form seceded and was cooled down. How was it cooled down, no–one knows. But if it was cooled down, why is it not that cool as the Sun is? Because in the science, nobody thinks as to ‘How?’ They just accept as it is. They are not supposed to know, or they cannot find out because they have limitations. Why this thing happened? How it was done? It is easy to say there is no God but very difficult to explain many things without saying that there is God. For example, the time that was taken for this universe to create a human being is so very short, is so very short that nothing can explain it. If you use the law of chance – perhaps some of the mathematicians, if they are here, they may know – by which we can find out how many times the permutations and combinations have to work to create even a living cell. For example, in a test tube if you have 50 red pills and 50 white pills, all arranged in such a manner that all the red ones are at the bottom and the white ones are on the top, you have to go on shaking them, and when you go on shaking them, they are all disorganized. Then to organize it fully how many times one has to shake? They have discovered a formula, that is N raised to power something, something. According to this formula, if human beings are created by chance, it seems an impossibility; because the time that is taken so far is so short that only, at the most, may be, some living cell could have been created. Why a complicated human being has been created and so beautifully it is organized within ourselves, that it is hard to believe that some juggler was not behind the show. There must have been some scientist who has achieved these results. It could not have been possible by some special hand to do these things; I mean if there was no organization, no thinking behind it, no planning behind it, and no powerful personality behind it, The Almighty, it could not have been possible. As science has its limitations, of course, we cannot find out how it was expedited, how it took place? But we can see that we have achieved something in the field of science, by one method – perhaps that is the method that was used to trigger this also that fast. When I was young, as you are, when I was studying Myself at that time, I could never have believed that we could ever reach the moon; nobody could have believed. If anyone would have said that, people would have laughed at such a conjecture. Even today if you tell My grandmother, she does not believe it. She thinks it is just a story you are telling her. But we have reached the moon, no doubt. In this system, we have used a very wonderful system of putting five capsules one into another and the one capsule, the lowest capsule, explodes and triggers the movement of the rest of the four . Then the second one explodes, and gives an acceleration many more times than it was already moving; the speed increases in such a tremendous way that suddenly we find the acceleration is so multiple of the first one that the second one, when it explodes, it gives another push to the capsule. Then the third one explodes at a point. Then the fourth one, and the fifth one is the one that contains the spacecraft. This kind of explosion from one to another, through that built–in mechanism, we have been able to achieve this tremendous speed and acceleration. In the same way our evolution has taken place. We have got this idea, without even knowing about our evolution, from the unconscious. We have come to know how it has happened, but we cannot correlate both things together. So, in the same way a human being was created out of amoebae or amoebae was created out of all the elements in the same manner. We can say that we were made again of five capsules. The first one is the physical, our physical being. Inside the physical being was kept our mental being. Inside the mental being was kept the emotional being. Inside the emotional being was kept the spiritual being and inside the spiritual being was kept the spirit, or our attention, you can say. Kundalini is the one which triggers, that is the one that explodes. So Kundalini is in everything: the Kundalini force in everything. But, the best it is, highest it is, the most effective it is, is in the human beings. Because force to evolve from, say from carbon to amoebae state and amoebae to animal state and animal state to human state, exists in everyone. Even in the elements it exists because elements also evolve. We do not know how they evolve but it happens in the Nature, that elements start changing their forms and [UNCLEAR] and they become different elements. The mass changes but we have no idea because we have no way of measuring the quantum of this change that is taking place. Then the animals also change. Animals change, from …many fishes, they become reptiles. Out of reptiles many become mammals. From mammals, many become human beings; or you can say that monkeys or quadrupeds and then human beings. All this happening takes place. How many are destroyed, and how many become, how many are transformed, nobody has measured it and nobody has kept any account of it. Today, we talk of a population problem. Perhaps many animals have taken birth. You can see the effect of that, the way people are behaving; you can be sure that many animals must have taken life and they have yet to go – lot of evolution and training as a human being to understand the value of human life. But once a human being starts evolving within himself. Now we have been human beings, as they say, for 14,000 years – I think it is even more than that. So we have been human beings say, for 14,000 years. We have been inside growing through our freedom, Human beings are the only people who get freedom to evolve themselves, to understand what is wrong and what is bad. This freedom is granted because without freedom you cannot go any further. For example, when you are studying in the schools, you are told 2 plus 2 is 4. Then you are given tables and you are told that 2 times tables are like this – you remember by heart and it is like this. We do not question that 2 by 10, why is it? 2 into 10 why is it 20? We do not question, we just go on and on and on. But when you reach a certain standard of education, say a graduation or a post graduation standard, then you are given freedom to write thesis on this subject – why is it that when you multiply 2 by 10 it is 20? Because you have reached a certain stage of development. At this stage you are given freedom to find out for yourself. That is how you are developed and then by this development only you can teach the other people who are coming up. This is the way the evolution has been. So far you have not felt your evolution: from amoebae to this stage you have not felt. You do not know how you became a human being, you just take it for granted. Even if you see your eyes, they are so complicated. It is such a complicated organ that if you start studying them you will be amazed how things are made. If you just prick a pin in my finger, immediately there is a reflex action. It is so nicely built, it is so nicely arranged; it is so quick, it is so efficient, that one is surprised and amazed at the wonders of this kind of organization, that is this human body. But you see what human beings are, they are inefficiency personified. I sent four telegrams to my daughter and today she says that she received one telegram after one month. Human beings have been given freedom to understand and to develop their own efficiency, to receive the ultimate knowledge of the Creator of this creation, the powers of this Creator. And that is why a Kundalini is placed in the human beings alone. Though there is Kundalini force and there is Kundalini in another form in everything else that exists, only in the human being, when they get their freedom, this force is kept in the triangular bone, dormant, to trigger the last jumping into the unknown. Now this is there, this Kundalini exists. But to begin with, if I say, before starting all this creation, who was created first, is most interesting and may not be very congenial to the mind of a scientist. It is much beyond science I am talking now, that much before anything was created on this Earth, Holiness was created – what we call the Parviti. Shri Ganesha is the deity of that Holiness. God has created this Holiness to protect His creation. This atmosphere of Holiness He created to protect all the people, all the creative things which have been there, which have been created by Him, otherwise nothing would work out. Just think if one of the Oceans was deeper even by 10 feet, the balance of Earth would have toppled down; just imagine what a speed this Mother Earth has, it revolves with such a tremendous speed, goes round the Sun regularly in a proper way, not in a round way, but in a special style as you know. She creates day and night for you: night to rest and day to work. How She Herself has created this beautiful atmosphere for you and has maintained the balance and the temperature that was given to Her, is only done by the power of Holiness that was created around. Now, man in his foolishness is challenging that Holiness. He thinks he can challenge God. That’s the sign of his dwarfness. If he had risen that high where he could feel God pulsating in everything, he would never have done that. But before he could reach that state of perfection, he has started talking about God. Who is going to challenge his authority of this stupid man, who doesn’t want to achieve his perfection and wants to talk big? All pervading power is there of Holiness which corrects, which guides, which co–ordinates, which loves and which organizes everything for you to get this awakening within you. So one must understand how Kundalini awakening is the most important thing that has to happen. Kundalini awakening is the only way you are going to know your spirit, your Atma. This is the most important happening in the history of creation. It’s like the garden you spread out; you lay out the garden, you put down everything, you plant the trees, the trees have the flowers and now the time has come, the fruits must appear. It’s the most important thing and has to happen to every individual who is seeking the Truth. The trouble with truth is, that that also you have to see with humility in your own freedom. Nobody can hypnotize people for seeking truth; those who are hypnotized cannot understand. In all your awareness, in all your freedom, in all your understanding, in all your dignity, you have to get the knowledge of truth. But it is not just giving you a lecture that you are going to understand. It is not brainwashing – that has been done by all nonsensical people throughout. It is the happening, the actualization by which you reach that state of awareness by which you develop the dynamics of collective consciousness. Collective consciousness. By which you become collectively conscious: is an awareness which develops within you – is real actualization. As you are a human being, you know that, when this capsule of human being was triggered, you got lots of things as your awareness, more than that of animals. ‘The University itself; animals don’t have any universities. Animals don’t understand gardens, they don’t understand dirt and filth, they don’t understand beauty. All this has come to you, built within you, manifested as soon as you became human beings. So, as soon as you become the super human being, you become aware of yourself within and you become aware of others within. This is the collective consciousness, this is what Sahaja Yoga is. Sahaja Yoga is the system of nature. Is the system; the way this creation took place is also Sahaj: built in – Sahaja. ‘Sah’ means with, ‘ja’ means born. Everything is within you like a seed if you see. Seed has a primule within it to sprout. Seed has the complete [ path?] of the tree that it is going to be and the trees it is going to be. The whole thing is in the seed, in the same way in the human seed the whole picture of what he is going to be is built in. The whole mechanism is placed within him. Now there are the undercurrents of your being, which I’ve been describing this evening to you. What are the forces that have built up human beings, which are inside him. Only thing I would like to say that you are like a computer made; you are already made like a computer, only thing is you are to be put to the mains. If you are put to the mains then the computer starts working by itself, but it is not the way you understand a machine. You are a human being, and you know what is love. To a scientist I cannot talk of love. I am talking of Divine Holiness, the love of God which has created you, which wants you to know Him. Through science you cannot love. Every scientist must be loving somebody – if not his children at least, his dog. He must be loving flowers: if not flowers, he might be loving his horses, but he knows what is love. And if he can understand that spark of love, from where it has come, love that I am talking about is a synthesis of all these powers. Science deals with only a very little [of it?]. I will also tell you which part of this power deals with our physical being and out of which how much a scientist knows. You will be surprised – if knowledge is an Ocean, the scientist knows only a drop. And to know the Ocean, the drop is to be dissolved in the Ocean. But the drop cannot by his effort, become the Ocean – the Ocean has to dissolve the drop. And that is what Ocean has to do it, if His creation has to have its fulfilment and His beautiful creation is manifested in the human being. The human being must find out his fulfilment. If he cannot find out his fulfilment, he cannot reach any perfection in any one of his endeavours and God Himself will not rest till he does that. Because who would like to destroy one’s own creation of thousands and thousands of years of a pre–planned thing. This has to come to its fulfilment and if it is to be done by Me, if I am the person who is supposed to trigger your Kundalini, why should you have any objection? Thank God, I was not a scientist; otherwise I would have finished my life making an atom bomb. Thank God, I am not a psychologist; otherwise I would have gone mad, listening to mad people. Thank God, I am not a politician, you know how they are. Thank God, I am none of these, I am just your Mother; concerned, absolutely concerned, about your ultimate well being and not superficial things. We’ll have the meditation now – that’s more important than any one of these lectures. I’ve already given 84 tapes to these London people – I’ve been speaking and speaking, every day two to three lectures. Best thing is to have it. Now some of you who do not get it should not get upset with Me. If you do not get it, there is nothing to worry. If you get it, well and good. If you don’t get it, you’ll get it this evening, if not tomorrow. It is a very subtle happening: should happen to you. If it happens, immediately you’ll find the relaxation will come. But the best thing that happens to you is first of all is your physical being is absolutely [different?] Now this lady now has come here with a very serious disease. If she had come to Me earlier – [Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi to someone]… So if this lady had come to Me at the end, she would never have [UNCLEAR]. If she had come to Me and got her realization, she would have been alright today. But she said she did not know about it. What’s the use of getting ill and then coming to Me, asking for My blessing and all sorts of things instead of getting your realization or in keeping your very good health to begin with? It comes to you as a by product. That comes to you as a by product. It is not done through Me. Because, say now, how you have decorated when I’m coming in here – in the same way, if the light has to come, the Divine has to shine, your own body is cleansed. Is beautified and is made healthy; that’s as a by product. But that’s not the ultimate.The light has to come within you, the reality has to be pulsating within you; unless and until that happens, everything else has no meaning. The other things that can happen is if you are mentally… also upset – or as I have said, the physical, the mental, the emotional, then the spiritual – and then beyond that is the state of complete bliss, of collective consciousness is established: in the space you are thrown. In the same way, it happens within you, so naturally all these things are exploded and normalised and the ultimate is established in the space. Whatever is useless or sick falls off. Whatever is beautiful comes up. As in the tree, you have seen that when the fruit comes up, so many things have to drop. In the same way, all that is not wanted drops out and all that is required shows itself and manifests. It’s a very beautiful happening – it should happen to all of you – but again I would like to tell you, it is a very subtle happening. It was never this way. Only for the first time that it has started working this way; that it is given to people who are Sarvasama (Universal) – who are simple people, ordinary people, leading a very simple life. Because it has to happen that way because, supposing there is a discovery of electricity by one person, which has a big history behind it. And he discovers something, and he does not make it useful for the common people. If the common people cannot benefit by it, if the ordinary people cannot understand it, it has no meaning. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga has to go to common people; everybody must understand. Otherwise, people like Christ were crucified – nobody understood Him. People like Kabira, nobody understood. People like Nanaka was tortured. People like Mohammed–Sahib was given poisons, and every one of them had to just suffer because of the ignorance of the common people. Today, the time Let’s try how many of you get it. If you get it, then it’s a subtle thing, but to settle into Sahaja Yoga, you have to practise. You have to come at least once a month – at least minimum – to a general program, because it is a collective program. It’s a common program, and that’s why it is going to work out in Collective; individually it’s not going to work out. Individually it’s very difficult. As you know about Hatha yogis – how they have to stay in the jungle. Before they were twenty five years of age, Hatha Yoga was to work out with Ashtang. Not the way the modern hatha yoga is all wrong: absolutely wrong. It should not be – it’s the wrong style. Because this kind of Hatha yoga takes your attention only to your physical being and gives you an imbalance. The other day I had somebody who was a great Hatha yogi and he had a heart attack.So he told Me he got a heart attack after Hatha yoga. So I said then what did he do? So he said, ‘They gave me another yoga to remove this heart attack.’ And when he came here for Me, he was shaking, just like this. So I told him, ask for the man who is shaking, and this man was a possessed man from a lunatic asylum. I said, ‘This is what has happened to your nerves. Who are asking to break your neck for nothing at all? There was no need for you to go to such an extreme. You should have just waited; you would have got your realisation.’ Of course, Asanas also have a place, but you must understand the complete shastra: complete science of all these things must be understood. But that is after realisation, not before. For example, you are suffering from stomach trouble and if you start using an asana for your neck, you’ve had it: your neck will be gone and then your stomach will be next. So there is a big science behind and those who understand the science will not use it for such a long time, every day, religiously – there is no need to. Whenever there is some need, then only take the medicine. Do you go on staying in a medicine shop all your life, just to keep healthy? Same thing is about Mantra. Mantra also has got a very big science; once you understand that science that is [UNCLEAR]. Without realisation, mantra also has no meaning. Those who give you mantras are people who are [UNCLEAR]. They don’t understand any meaning of mantra, I can tell you. Because I have seen, the way they are knowing the chakras and things, and the Kundalini doesn’t rise. The basic thing is that your Kundalini must rise. Those people who spoil your Kundalini, I do not like them at all. Some of them spoil because they are naive; they don’t know what to do about Kundalini because they are not authorised. They are not holy people, they are not realised souls. They are not supposed to do it, so they spoil your Kundalini. They make money out of it, because anybody can sell anything, you see. Anybody can say, ‘I am a Kundalini awakener.’ What can you do about the fuss? God is not going to come and arrest you for that. You are arrested, in a way, but that’s a very subtle arresting which nobody understands. That these are the punishments of our wrongdoing. Those who try to do it in a naïve way can be forgiven. Even those who make money, I can forgive them, because this is a silly thing that’s going on everywhere. But those who do it deliberately are definitely the devils – I call them Danavas, Rakshasas. Because deliberately to spoil somebody’s Kundalini, just to entice them, and to hypnotise them to use for your own purpose, is absolutely Satanic: is against the purpose of God and that’s why I’ll call them as the Devil. So, let us have the experience – you put your hands towards Me and…[tape fades out]

Lecture given at Gandhi Bhawan, Delhi University (India), on 1 February 1979. In this lecture I should talk about the creation. I would switch on from the time, when we were just amoebae. Before that, what happened and how we were created, this universe was created, I’ll tell you tomorrow morning. It is not difficult to find out how this universe is organized. Every scientist who is open minded can see for himself that this universe is a beautiful cosmos, is very well organized and has run very smoothly and can also deduce that the creation of this universe, this particular universe has led to the creation of this Mother Earth. Five million years back, about, this Mother Earth in gaseous form seceded and was cooled down. How was it cooled down, no–one knows. But if it was cooled down, why is it not that cool as the Sun is? Because in the science, nobody thinks as to ‘How?’ They just accept as it is. They are not supposed to know, or they cannot find out because they have limitations. Why this thing happened? How it was done? It is easy to say there is no God but very difficult to explain many things without saying that there is God. For example, the time that was taken for this universe to create a human being is so very short, is so very short that nothing can explain it. If you use the law of chance – perhaps some of the mathematicians, if they are here, they may know – by which we can find out how many times the permutations and combinations have to work to create even a living cell. For example, in a test tube if you have 50 red pills and 50 white pills, all arranged in such a manner that all the red ones are at the bottom and the white ones are on the top, you have to go on shaking them, and when you go on shaking them, they are all disorganized. Then to organize it fully how many times one has to shake? They have discovered a formula, that is N raised to power something, something. According to this formula, if human beings are created by chance, it seems an impossibility; because the time that is taken so far is so short that only, at the most, may be, some living cell could have been created. Why a complicated human being has been created and so beautifully it is organized within ourselves, that it is hard to believe that some juggler was not behind the show. There must have been some scientist who has achieved these results. It could not have been possible by some special hand to do these things; I mean if there was no organization, no thinking behind it, no planning behind it, and no powerful personality behind it, The Almighty, it could not have been possible. As science has its limitations, of course, we cannot find out how it was expedited, how it took place? But we can see that we have achieved something in the field of science, by one method – perhaps that is the method that was used to trigger this also that fast. When I was young, as you are, when I was studying Myself at that time, I could never have believed that we could ever reach the moon; nobody could have believed. If anyone would have said that, people would have laughed at such a conjecture. Even today if you tell My grandmother, she does not believe it. She thinks it is just a story you are telling her. But we have reached the moon, no doubt. In this system, we have used a very wonderful system of putting five capsules one into another and the one capsule, the lowest capsule, explodes and triggers the movement of the rest of the four . Then the second one explodes, and gives an acceleration many more times than it was already moving; the speed increases in such a tremendous way that suddenly we find the acceleration is so multiple of the first one that the second one, when it explodes, it gives another push to the capsule. Then the third one explodes at a point. Then the fourth one, and the fifth one is the one that contains the spacecraft. This kind of explosion from one to another, through that built–in mechanism, we have been able to achieve this tremendous speed and acceleration. In the same way our evolution has taken place. We have got this idea, without even knowing about our evolution, from the unconscious. We have come to know how it has happened, but we cannot correlate both things together. So, in the same way a human being was created out of amoebae or amoebae was created out of all the elements in the same manner. We can say that we were made again of five capsules. The first one is the physical, our physical being. Inside the physical being was kept our mental being. Inside the mental being was kept the emotional being. Inside the emotional being was kept the spiritual being and inside the spiritual being was kept the spirit, or our attention, you can say. Kundalini is the one which triggers, that is the one that explodes. So Kundalini is in everything: the Kundalini force in everything. But, the best it is, highest it is, the most effective it is, is in the human beings. Because force to evolve from, say from carbon to amoebae state and amoebae to animal state and animal state to human state, exists in everyone. Even in the elements it exists because elements also evolve. We do not know how they evolve but it happens in the Nature, that elements start changing their forms and [UNCLEAR] and they become different elements. The mass changes but we have no idea because we have no way of measuring the quantum of this change that is taking place. Then the animals also change. Animals change, from …many fishes, they become reptiles. Out of reptiles many become mammals. From mammals, many become human beings; or you can say that monkeys or quadrupeds and then human beings. All this happening takes place. How many are destroyed, and how many become, how many are transformed, nobody has measured it and nobody has kept any account of it. Today, we talk of a population problem. Perhaps many animals have taken birth. You can see the effect of that, the way people are behaving; you can be sure that many animals must have taken life and they have yet to go – lot of evolution and training as a human being to understand the value of human life. But once a human being starts evolving within himself. Now we have been human beings, as they say, for 14,000 years – I think it is even more than that. So we have been human beings say, for 14,000 years. We have been inside growing through our freedom, Human beings are the only people who get freedom to evolve themselves, to understand what is wrong and what is bad. This freedom is granted because without freedom you cannot go any further. For example, when you are studying in the schools, you are told 2 plus 2 is 4. Then you are given tables and you are told that 2 times tables are like this – you remember by heart and it is like this. We do not question that 2 by 10, why is it? 2 into 10 why is it 20? We do not question, we just go on and on and on. But when you reach a certain standard of education, say a graduation or a post graduation standard, then you are given freedom to write thesis on this subject – why is it that when you multiply 2 by 10 it is 20? Because you have reached a certain stage of development. At this stage you are given freedom to find out for yourself. That is how you are developed and then by this development only you can teach the other people who are coming up. This is the way the evolution has been. So far you have not felt your evolution: from amoebae to this stage you have not felt. You do not know how you became a human being, you just take it for granted. Even if you see your eyes, they are so complicated. It is such a complicated organ that if you start studying them you will be amazed how things are made. If you just prick a pin in my finger, immediately there is a reflex action. It is so nicely built, it is so nicely arranged; it is so quick, it is so efficient, that one is surprised and amazed at the wonders of this kind of organization, that is this human body. But you see what human beings are, they are inefficiency personified. I sent four telegrams to my daughter and today she says that she received one telegram after one month. Human beings have been given freedom to understand and to develop their own efficiency, to receive the ultimate knowledge of the Creator of this creation, the powers of this Creator. And that is why a Kundalini is placed in the human beings alone. Though there is Kundalini force and there is Kundalini in another form in everything else that exists, only in the human being, when they get their freedom, this force is kept in the triangular bone, dormant, to trigger the last jumping into the unknown. Now this is there, this Kundalini exists. But to begin with, if I say, before starting all this creation, who was created first, is most interesting and may not be very congenial to the mind of a scientist. It is much beyond science I am talking now, that much before anything was created on this Earth, Holiness was created – what we call the Parviti. Shri Ganesha is the deity of that Holiness. God has created this Holiness to protect His creation. This atmosphere of Holiness He created to protect all the people, all the creative things which have been there, which have been created by Him, otherwise nothing would work out. Just think if one of the Oceans was deeper even by 10 feet, the balance of Earth would have toppled down; just imagine what a speed this Mother Earth has, it revolves with such a tremendous speed, goes round the Sun regularly in a proper way, not in a round way, but in a special style as you know. She creates day and night for you: night to rest and day to work. How She Herself has created this beautiful atmosphere for you and has maintained the balance and the temperature that was given to Her, is only done by the power of Holiness that was created around. Now, man in his foolishness is challenging that Holiness. He thinks he can challenge God. That’s the sign of his dwarfness. If he had risen that high where he could feel God pulsating in everything, he would never have done that. But before he could reach that state of perfection, he has started talking about God. Who is going to challenge his authority of this stupid man, who doesn’t want to achieve his perfection and wants to talk big? All pervading power is there of Holiness which corrects, which guides, which co–ordinates, which loves and which organizes everything for you to get this awakening within you. So one must understand how Kundalini awakening is the most important thing that has to happen. Kundalini awakening is the only way you are going to know your spirit, your Atma. This is the most important happening in the history of creation. It’s like the garden you spread out; you lay out the garden, you put down everything, you plant the trees, the trees have the flowers and now the time has come, the fruits must appear. It’s the most important thing and has to happen to every individual who is seeking the Truth. The trouble with truth is, that that also you have to see with humility in your own freedom. Nobody can hypnotize people for seeking truth; those who are hypnotized cannot understand. In all your awareness, in all your freedom, in all your understanding, in all your dignity, you have to get the knowledge of truth. But it is not just giving you a lecture that you are going to understand. It is not brainwashing – that has been done by all nonsensical people throughout. It is the happening, the actualization by which you reach that state of awareness by which you develop the dynamics of collective consciousness. Collective consciousness. By which you become collectively conscious: is an awareness which develops within you – is real actualization. As you are a human being, you know that, when this capsule of human being was triggered, you got lots of things as your awareness, more than that of animals. ‘The University itself; animals don’t have any universities. Animals don’t understand gardens, they don’t understand dirt and filth, they don’t understand beauty. All this has come to you, built within you, manifested as soon as you became human beings. So, as soon as you become the super human being, you become aware of yourself within and you become aware of others within. This is the collective consciousness, this is what Sahaja Yoga is. Sahaja Yoga is the system of nature. Is the system; the way this creation took place is also Sahaj: built in – Sahaja. ‘Sah’ means with, ‘ja’ means born. Everything is within you like a seed if you see. Seed has a primule within it to sprout. Seed has the complete [ path?] of the tree that it is going to be and the trees it is going to be. The whole thing is in the seed, in the same way in the human seed the whole picture of what he is going to be is built in. The whole mechanism is placed within him. Now there are the undercurrents of your being, which I’ve been describing this evening to you. What are the forces that have built up human beings, which are inside him. Only thing I would like to say that you are like a computer made; you are already made like a computer, only thing is you are to be put to the mains. If you are put to the mains then the computer starts working by itself, but it is not the way you understand a machine. You are a human being, and you know what is love. To a scientist I cannot talk of love. I am talking of Divine Holiness, the love of God which has created you, which wants you to know Him. Through science you cannot love. Every scientist must be loving somebody – if not his children at least, his dog. He must be loving flowers: if not flowers, he might be loving his horses, but he knows what is love. And if he can understand that spark of love, from where it has come, love that I am talking about is a synthesis of all these powers. Science deals with only a very little [of it?]. I will also tell you which part of this power deals with our physical being and out of which how much a scientist knows. You will be surprised – if knowledge is an Ocean, the scientist knows only a drop. And to know the Ocean, the drop is to be dissolved in the Ocean. But the drop cannot by his effort, become the Ocean – the Ocean has to dissolve the drop. And that is what Ocean has to do it, if His creation has to have its fulfilment and His beautiful creation is manifested in the human being. The human being must find out his fulfilment. If he cannot find out his fulfilment, he cannot reach any perfection in any one of his endeavours and God Himself will not rest till he does that. Because who would like to destroy one’s own creation of thousands and thousands of years of a pre–planned thing. This has to come to its fulfilment and if it is to be done by Me, if I am the person who is supposed to trigger your Kundalini, why should you have any objection? Thank God, I was not a scientist; otherwise I would have finished my life making an atom bomb. Thank God, I am not a psychologist; otherwise I would have gone mad, listening to mad people. Thank God, I am not a politician, you know how they are. Thank God, I am none of these, I am just your Mother; concerned, absolutely concerned, about your ultimate well being and not superficial things. We’ll have the meditation now – that’s more important than any one of these lectures. I’ve already given 84 tapes to these London people – I’ve been speaking and speaking, every day two to three lectures. Best thing is to have it. Now some of you who do not get it should not get upset with Me. If you do not get it, there is nothing to worry. If you get it, well and good. If you don’t get it, you’ll get it this evening, if not tomorrow. It is a very subtle happening: should happen to you. If it happens, immediately you’ll find the relaxation will come. But the best thing that happens to you is first of all is your physical being is absolutely [different?] Now this lady now has come here with a very serious disease. If she had come to Me earlier – [Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi to someone]… So if this lady had come to Me at the end, she would never have [UNCLEAR]. If she had come to Me and got her realization, she would have been alright today. But she said she did not know about it. What’s the use of getting ill and then coming to Me, asking for My blessing and all sorts of things instead of getting your realization or in keeping your very good health to begin with? It comes to you as a by product. That comes to you as a by product. It is not done through Me. Because, say now, how you have decorated when I’m coming in here – in the same way, if the light has to come, the Divine has to shine, your own body is cleansed. Is beautified and is made healthy; that’s as a by product. But that’s not the ultimate.The light has to come within you, the reality has to be pulsating within you; unless and until that happens, everything else has no meaning. The other things that can happen is if you are mentally… also upset – or as I have said, the physical, the mental, the emotional, then the spiritual – and then beyond that is the state of complete bliss, of collective consciousness is established: in the space you are thrown. In the same way, it happens within you, so naturally all these things are exploded and normalised and the ultimate is established in the space. Whatever is useless or sick falls off. Whatever is beautiful comes up. As in the tree, you have seen that when the fruit comes up, so many things have to drop. In the same way, all that is not wanted drops out and all that is required shows itself and manifests. It’s a very beautiful happening – it should happen to all of you – but again I would like to tell you, it is a very subtle happening. It was never this way. Only for the first time that it has started working this way; that it is given to people who are Sarvasama (Universal) – who are simple people, ordinary people, leading a very simple life. Because it has to happen that way because, supposing there is a discovery of electricity by one person, which has a big history behind it. And he discovers something, and he does not make it useful for the common people. If the common people cannot benefit by it, if the ordinary people cannot understand it, it has no meaning. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga has to go to common people; everybody must understand. Otherwise, people like Christ were crucified – nobody understood Him. People like Kabira, nobody understood. People like Nanaka was tortured. People like Mohammed–Sahib was given poisons, and every one of them had to just suffer because of the ignorance of the common people. Today, the time Let’s try how many of you get it. If you get it, then it’s a subtle thing, but to settle into Sahaja Yoga, you have to practise. You have to come at least once a month – at least minimum – to a general program, because it is a collective program. It’s a common program, and that’s why it is going to work out in Collective; individually it’s not going to work out. Individually it’s very difficult. As you know about Hatha yogis – how they have to stay in the jungle. Before they were twenty five years of age, Hatha Yoga was to work out with Ashtang. Not the way the modern hatha yoga is all wrong: absolutely wrong. It should not be – it’s the wrong style. Because this kind of Hatha yoga takes your attention only to your physical being and gives you an imbalance. The other day I had somebody who was a great Hatha yogi and he had a heart attack.So he told Me he got a heart attack after Hatha yoga. So I said then what did he do? So he said, ‘They gave me another yoga to remove this heart attack.’ And when he came here for Me, he was shaking, just like this. So I told him, ask for the man who is shaking, and this man was a possessed man from a lunatic asylum. I said, ‘This is what has happened to your nerves. Who are asking to break your neck for nothing at all? There was no need for you to go to such an extreme. You should have just waited; you would have got your realisation.’ Of course, Asanas also have a place, but you must understand the complete shastra: complete science of all these things must be understood. But that is after realisation, not before. For example, you are suffering from stomach trouble and if you start using an asana for your neck, you’ve had it: your neck will be gone and then your stomach will be next. So there is a big science behind and those who understand the science will not use it for such a long time, every day, religiously – there is no need to. Whenever there is some need, then only take the medicine. Do you go on staying in a medicine shop all your life, just to keep healthy? Same thing is about Mantra. Mantra also has got a very big science; once you understand that science that is [UNCLEAR]. Without realisation, mantra also has no meaning. Those who give you mantras are people who are [UNCLEAR]. They don’t understand any meaning of mantra, I can tell you. Because I have seen, the way they are knowing the chakras and things, and the Kundalini doesn’t rise. The basic thing is that your Kundalini must rise. Those people who spoil your Kundalini, I do not like them at all. Some of them spoil because they are naive; they don’t know what to do about Kundalini because they are not authorised. They are not holy people, they are not realised souls. They are not supposed to do it, so they spoil your Kundalini. They make money out of it, because anybody can sell anything, you see. Anybody can say, ‘I am a Kundalini awakener.’ What can you do about the fuss? God is not going to come and arrest you for that. You are arrested, in a way, but that’s a very subtle arresting which nobody understands. That these are the punishments of our wrongdoing. Those who try to do it in a naïve way can be forgiven. Even those who make money, I can forgive them, because this is a silly thing that’s going on everywhere. But those who do it deliberately are definitely the devils – I call them Danavas, Rakshasas. Because deliberately to spoil somebody’s Kundalini, just to entice them, and to hypnotise them to use for your own purpose, is absolutely Satanic: is against the purpose of God and that’s why I’ll call them as the Devil. So, let us have the experience – you put your hands towards Me and…[tape fades out]

2/9/1979

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis: Mooladhara Chakra

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Mooladhara Chakra, Kovalam, Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala, India, 9 February 1979. ...[TO THE] deity then the deity disappears from them, all right? The attention goes away from the place. Then they bring the Satan there and play the havoc. See these tantrikas have no relationship with our ancient Scriptures, no relationship at all. For example Rajnesh will never mention any one of our ancient Scriptures, nothing. They have no relationship with any deities. They have no relationship with any great writers we have had, like Adi Shankaracharya. Not a word. Holiness is the basis of religion and spirituality. In which Scripture this is written? Does he mean to say that he is, he has nothing to do with Christ, nothing to do with God, nothing to do with anyone, but only sex? [Allude you?] people are really, why don't you think are you only sex point? The interlocutor: So many things are written about it. Shri Mataji: Because you people wanted. The interlocutor: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Where is it? The interlocutor: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: No. No, no, no, no. The interlocutor: There's nothing about sex? Shri Mataji: Not a word. The interlocutor: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: No, no...What? You see that way these people have spoilt even ashwa medha yagna which was the..., such a great thing, you know. They have used it for their own purpose saying that this is the symbol of this. Even Shiva and Shakti, nonsensical people call it sex. How can you do that to God? You sublimate into that, the greater thing. What is sex? Every Dick, Tom, Harry can do sex... The interlocutor: We are used to do it so... Shri Mataji: Yes, then what? That's why they are telling you to do it and, but if you do it in a wrong way you'll have diseases, you'll have impotency, no children will be born to you if you misuse it. There is a sanctity about it. The interlocutor: May I ask you a question? Shri Mataji: Yes. The interlocutor: Do you say that one should never use sex? Shri Mataji: No, no, one should. One should be married. One should use sex. It's meant for a happy married life and for having children, and leading a very happy and a good life. You must have a good sex life. You see, we do not think of sex at all in India. Never. This is spontaneous. You see, we never think of sex and all this nonsense. We don't read about it. I mean, I can tell you except for few anglicised and westernised Indians whom you meet, you will hardly find anyone asking. Now they have met villagers. They don't even think about sex, is a thing, relationship with the wife, very sacred relationship. When you are with your wife, you see you indulge into it at the extreme point. That's all. We do not sit and read about sex. Why should you read about it? This is spontaneous thing. Why should you read? The interlocutor: I don't read this. Shri Mataji: That's it. But that's what they are doing it. This is another kind of Hitlerism. I can tell you this is another kind of a cruelty to human beings. See, you will be enticed absolutely; you would not find out, you will not know that this is a mistake. You'll get into it and then you'll realize it's a mistake. This is a destruction of your own being. By wars you have destroyed others. By this you will destroy yourself. What I say has a bearing in the Bible, has a bearing in Quran, has a bearing in what you call any of the Scriptures, of Upanishads and all that, every word of it, Gita and also of Adi Shankaracharya, every word of it. He has made forty crores of rupees. This also you don't understand that he's playing on your ego. You think you can purchase him, you can handle him. You don't understand this, you see. He is too cunning for you. The interlocutor: But how can you explain that so many western people.... Shri Mataji: Mad... The interlocutor: ...went to him and go to him every time? Shri Mataji: How can you explain so many Germans wanted to kill thousands of people like so many of them were burnt alive and put in the gas chamber? Do you, can you explain it? Very easy to befool you people, very easy. The trouble is you all think you are very clever. You can be outwitted by a cleverer cunning fellow. You are not cunning. You are only clever. Any cunning man can outwit you just like this. It's very easy to befool you. Then you should also think why is it that Indians do not even take his name in the morning? Indian Government is anxious to oust him. Why don't you think like that? If India is a place of wisdom, then why he is not at all respected in this country? The interlocutor: In fact in all houses his name is also mentioned he's considered most inauspicious [INNAUDIBLE]. Shri Mataji: Inauspicious. In his house, you see, if anybody mentions his name in Indian homes we think it is inauspicious; we think he's a Ravana. He's the incarnation of Ravana, Rajnesh is. The interlocutor: Incarnation of? Shri Mataji: The Ravana. The interlocutor: There is a... Shri Mataji: The one who fought against Rama. Demon, he is a demon no doubt. He is what, is he not? He is, hundred per cent he is Ravana. Be sure of it. [Hindi talk to a child] She's a born realized child. He is very nicely playing with your mind. In London, just imagine, in London, nine people got hold of a basement and took out their clothes and danced ecstatically, just take out all your clothes and say, "No, no, no, no, no, no". And they have within five months time, I don't know, they have thousands of people. They are buying the whole of London. Why can't you see this stupidity? I mean, at least at the time of Hitler you could say that people had this feeling to kill others. But in this, to be stupid is the feeling, is it? Absolute stupidity, nonsense. If by becoming naked you can reach God, then in the bathroom every day you are like that. I told you that don't go in the sun too much. Be careful. You see, this is also very wrong the way you expose your body to sun. You will develop skin cancers. Believe Me, you will develop skin cancers. You shouldn't burn your skin so much. It's not a good thing, you know. For sun also, you cover yourself and take the thing. Otherwise you will develop skin cancers. You should not overdo anything. Extremes should be avoided. That is how you land into difficulties, [or/for] how many people in Sweden are committing suicide today? You are rich people. Why are you committing suicide? While you find there Indians so happy, don't you? They haven't got riches or anything. How are they happy? Even when they are starving they are happier. Why? A person: I'm not sure whether they are so.... Shri Mataji: Not all, not all, but many. The same person: Because India is also [UNCLEAR]. They are much influenced by Europeans as well as [unclear]. Shri Mataji: No, no... They could not influence us... They tried, they tried... The same person: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: What is it? People: Cultural.... Shri Mataji: What he say? The same person: I think he says that also the India's cultural background is been modified like that, by the West. Shri Mataji: That is true but still we are Indians. The same person: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Yes, I agree. The same person: But you know it can be about of the mind of the Indian people, you know the source and the education of lot of Indians, you know. Shri Mataji: That is what you are doing now to give us ideas. You see, you people are coming and give us, giving us ideas. See, we never knew that hashish could be sold like this. Now you are giving us ideas. Apart from that you are trying to develop our country, I agree, I agree, but there's a great aggression still on. But our this culture cannot be destroyed. Because our culture is a very deep thing, is very deeply built in our inside,you see. Our family structures cannot be destroyed easily. These are just permissions on the periphery, but inside India you cannot enter. You cannot. This is also another aggression, you don't know.,for us even the sex is an aggression from you people. We never had these ideas. For us it is difficult to maintain these horrible demons in this country but for you people who are maintaining them there. We would like them to be sent to you people so that you leave us alone with our auspiciousness, holiness and spirituality. It's a very subtle aggression coming to us and you people are saints. You must understand you were saints in India in previous lives. You have to understand our difficulty. You can have your sex, you can have your sex shops, you can have all nonsense, all your lives, doesn't matters, but for us you spare us now. In India we have a very, absolutely different ideas about the saint. A saint has to lead a very holy life. He has to be a holy person, very kind, [affected/ effected / affectionate]. He doesn't take any money from you. He's not a parasite. He lives with self-respect. Villagers just laugh, you see. They cannot understand. If you tell them, "Why do you go and sell them hashish?" they said, "Only the children go and do it. We don't do it." I said, "The children will have the sin. Why do you go and tell them?" They said, "No, the children go and have bath in the..., they don't know. They are innocent so they don't understand." But they are committing sins by doing these things. You must understand it is a very serious matter, My children. It's a very serious matter and responsibility will be your own. You are saints and how are you going about it? Where is it, in which Scripture it is written that sex should be the criteria for a saint? All right, I don't say suppress it like that. Your churches have done nonsensical thing. Of course, that's all nonsense, I agree. ...But this is another extreme, one is the suppression of sex, all right? Like nunneries and all that âˆ' that's all nonsense âˆ' but the other is even worse. You are going from one extreme to another extreme. God is in the centre. This overexcitement and these wrong ideas, I don't know how I accept. [Unclear] It is high time you people now understand because it will be very late, later on. As you said, "Why" to Me? now I am giving you an example. It's a, it's a... sort of a hypnosis, a kind of a hypnosis. You are just hypnotised. He does not explain how he does. He does not as I do. They know how to do it themselves. They know all the methods, how it is done, how Kundalini is brought up, how your heart has got the Spirit, which is brought into your parasympathetic. It's all written down in our books, how to make it out. As yesterday, that music you heard? Of chitananda lagari, you see you get these vibrations you must [UNCLEAR] that. This is what is written in our Scriptures, is there, and this is how one has to achieve. And even a person like Shankaracharya has said that, "Na yoghe na shanghena", means "neither by yoga", means the way you do Hatha yoga "neither by [unclear] works out" but it works out through the grace of Mother. A person like Shankaracharya, Adi Shankaracharya, such a learned man, who wrote Vivekachudamani, later on he just wrote the praise of Mother, that's all. He said, "Nothing more is needed." Now Rajnesh is just the opposite of it. He's teaching you how to insult your Mother. Nothing was wrong with Freud as you can say, because you cannot understand what was wrong with him. You do not have the complete idea as to what you are. I will tell you just now what you are and what you have to achieve. I'm waiting for all of them to come. You just think over; it's a very big responsibility. You people have given up materialism, you have started seeking God. Why? Because you were saints in your last life. It is described that saints would be seeking much more in the Kali Yuga, at this time. When these demands started all these thugs have also started supplying. What is the transformation of the person who talks to you intermittently? What did he get within himself, an experience? What is an experienced [GW: experience?]? You see if he says is an experienc you should say, "Can you make out what's wrong with me?" Ask him. These people can make out. He told me this chakra is catching, you will also say. Isn't it? I mean, there should be some knowledge of yourself. You must get some knowledge within yourself. Your consciousness must have a wider dimension, you understand? Now he told me that your left Vishuddhi is catching. So I asked you left Swadishthan to be, to be settled. It pains you there also. Now he doesn't know where it pains you. How did he tell Me? See now. So he could feel that is chakra is catching. The same person: Catched. Shri Mataji: Catched, caught up. Now I ask you, "Do you feel guilty?" That's it. It has been other things also. All of them can tell you. All of them can tell you what's wrong with you. Even if you have ten Realized children here if you tie up their eyes they will tell the same thing, that this is catching in this person and you will also feel the same. You put your hands and you will feel this finger burning. See? When your sensitivity will improve you will also tell about others. It is your instrument must start working. What are the experiences you are talking about? Like a hashish experience, then like a hallucination experience, then other experience; you had many like that, you see. "I was very high. Somebody says I'm very high." But what did you get? You see, you are, you are just regarding to something by some sort of a chemical thing or a hypnosis. Still all of us have not come. You have taken the photographs? Very nice then, I must say. I have professional photographs also. I think you are very good. Did a good job and we are all surprised. If you want you can take just now but they all have not yet arrived. Sahaja Yogi: [INAUDIBLE] not coming? Shri Mataji: No, but let Mr. George come and see Me. Tell him. Because he still gets sick, you see. I must [unclear]. You tell him today because tomorrow I won't have any chance. All right? If you want you can. Come along, come forward. This sit space is free if you want to get.... Now you are better. Much better now, see. See, you are in a way more sort of connected with Sanskrit language. You are the [UNCLEAR] connected with Sanskrit language. But I was surprised that how Germans were influenced by this horrible tantrikas. They, they don't know superficial things. You know, to know about tantrikas is like entering into the house through the sewage. First enter into the sewage only and then they got, I mean they never got any knowledge. No German has written about Shankaracharya. Most surprising. Not a word. They have written books after books over tantrikas, which is sewage for us, absolutely sewage. They could never enter because perhaps some way or other they were guided into it or taken into it. Mislaid completely. Even Jung I was surprised, even Jung, you see. Poor thing, you know, they, they come to whatever they read and whatever it is, they could never reach the reality. We have to reach to the bone of this country. Then only you'll get that peace and bliss which is promised. You must understand them not from outside but from inside. For that you have to go inside. But these all superficial experiences,if you depend on, then what's the use? [Hindi talk] What's your name? You've done really that photograph? Eldon? Really? You see here you're walking or what? That's all right. She has got light also. Whatever comes in, in a general way... This is a very subtle happening; it's a very, very subtle happening. It is not a gross happening where you think of women and think of these dirty things that you've before liked having casinos and busy life. It is not like this. It's a deep happening. It's a very, very deep happening and a very subtle happening for you will have to be very, very religious people. While you have no idea of religion in that country, I can tell you. Religion is within, not without. Like there are some priests and they are coming ... We don't believe in our priests âˆ' just for play sake we do âˆ' but we don't think that they are saints. Saints are very different. So the value of saints is so much reduced because your Pope has started certifying somebody as a saint. Naturally the Pope himself is not a saint. How does he know somebody is a saint or not? So I don't blame you, naturally. You are quite a sort of disillusion, absolutely correct. But by, but once this disillusion melts you don't go to another religion also. What is the reality? By knowing yourself you should know your inner being and you should know the inner beings of others, isn't it, Peter? Supposing you are an engineer, take it like that, all right? If you are an engineer, if you have become an engineer you will know about the instruments that are in your house and in anybody else's houses. [Hindi talk] Sit down, sit down. This is what should happen, by knowing self-knowledge means knowing yourself. What are you thinking about these experiences? You see, anybody can give you by putting you out somewhere. The experience of the Spirit is that by which you get the knowledge of your being and the knowledge of another person. Then something that you cannot achieve yourself, it has come [and dragged you as ...?]. It has to come [and drag you as...?]. If you can achieve God then He is no more God. If He is the Almighty then you cannot capture Him. He has to come to you, He has to give you, He has to do the job. This is like a kick you get, you see? What you call a kick, that kind of a kick which brings you [down?]. It gives you a kick. The way it is given a kick, you come down the same way. Nowhere in the scriptures is described it. Either you wipe out all the history of human beings and put these horrible people on the list, or this, their behaviour, their theories, must tally with the theories of the previous people. They must relate to that. So as I say, this is not a superficial thing, just a kick. It's a deep, embedded thing, which works out, flowers out. It's a reality, and reality takes time. Thousands of people going to Rajnesh itself suggest like it is plastic. There are gurus and gurus one better than other. The interlocutor: Can I [UNCLEAR] Dalai Lama? Shri Mataji: What Dalai Lama has done, also, think about... See, what you should do is to use your brains. Because somebody is a Dalai Lama must you accept? All right, what Dalai Lama has done, think it over. Has he given Realization to anyone? Has he transformed anybody's life, by which his life has become a king of happiness, joy? Has he given any peace to anyone? Think it over. You see, somebody says, "Now this is the place where you will get peace." You at least see the people who are coming out of it. Dalai Lama, I never knew was such a crook, to be very frank, till I sat just next to him because my husband was with the Prime Minister in Tibet. The Prime Minister sat so I could not come out, Lal Bahadur Shastri. So I sat next to him. I was just burning, all burning. So the Prime Minister said, "What's the matter?" I said, "Oh, God", I said, "Ma" in Hindi language, I said "You put Me on the other side". He was a parasite, [took tributes of?] such poor people. Sit down, sit down, good. He was just a parasite... Hello, how are you? Better? Now, that's it. Come along, sit down. If you want you can take another...Yes, good. He was like a parasite, and they were so poor, Tibetans were so poor, [when/Well] this man had nothing but some spirits, because of supraconscious. You will see that in Sahaja Yoga. See, we have people in this country who have called these spirits, what you call these, as we call it a smashan vidya. What do you say to smashan in English? premetorium, the knowledge of the premetorium you see. So they master some of the spirits, and they use these spirits for this purpose. They will tell you what horse you are going to win. Even that they can tell you. Now we must understand what is the interest of God in these things. Why should God tell you who is going to win the horse, what's wrong with your father, who is going to become Dalai Lama, this, that? God has no interest in all that. He has only one interest, only one interest, that you become your self, that you get connected with the mains and start understanding Him and that the instrument that you are should have your fulfilment. That's the only interest He has. He doesn't believe in giving you kicks and these experiences so-called of such sort of a hashish and things, no. He wants to give you the complete understanding of yourself through your awareness. It's an actualisation. It is not just lecturing that I lecture you. Actually I was not going to give you a lecture because you said, "You must give us a lecture," so I am giving you. You ask them. I've been working on their back for hours together now. He will tell you, from Denmark. I have to work hard. While this Rajnesh works no hard and he has made forty crores of rupees. Just he is telling you that you go into sex like this. I still cannot understand how can you ask for a guru for this. Even a dog and a bitch knows. Don't deviate yourselves. You are the Spirit. You are not sex points. He will leave you to impotency, complete impotency. He'll destroy you completely. He's just trying to pamper your ego. He's just trying to say, "Oh, you are great, you are..." Then "You'll [UNCLEAR], you are very great." If you are a rich man then you are even greater. He knows all about your status and everything. He has all the interest in the rich people. In India also he's using the Indian women who are rich women and supplying them with men. We had a boy known as Mario, who came to me and told me that he was used by a lady of sixty-five years old for six months and this lady was giving money to him. I know her name also. Her name is Sharvishtak. I get disciples from him who had this illusion. But I would blame your brains only that you cannot understand these things. How can he? You understand machines, but you don't understand human beings. He plays on your ego, he pampers your ego and you like it. You have forgotten Christ completely. What was Christ like? A person: ... He was a good man. Shri Mataji: He was a very good man. Same person: He was very, very.... full of knowledge more than other people at His time. Shri Mataji: Not only. Same person: If He lives now He would, He would.... Shri Mataji: You would deny Him. Same person: He would get better over the time than some people around here. Shri Mataji: No, He would not. You would deny Him much more than you would deny anybody else because, you see, He would not fit in to your conception of heavenly and Godly people. But only through Sahaja Yoga you will know that Christ exists within you here. You will know that He is there. You see when the Kundalini stops here you have to say Lord's Prayer and you have to take the name of Christ. Indians do it just like that because they know who He is, and they know more than you people. Same person: I was thinking that still in everybody of us there's a Father God working. So we can ... Shri Mataji: Yes... Same person: So we can... Shri Mataji: You can become that, all right. That's it, that's it, I'm.... Same person: I came just to see You. I've seen You one year ago, I don't know. You must remember, I've seen You in Delhi, [Kali Baba]. You were there, about a year ago. Shri Mataji: Is it? Same person: Yes.... You gave spontaneous Realization. Shri Mataji: So now, that's what I am saying that there is a part in you now I will tell you today, once for good, all right? Now. Now this is the human being and [unclear]... All right? Now please pay attention fully. Just see here. All right. Here now this is the human being or you have read that God has made man in His own image. So God also, you can say, this is a microcosm on the base great God and you all are cells in it made in the same image as this one. Now how are you made? You are made from amoeba to a human being. All right? First you were even carbon, even matter. You were evolved from amoeba to this stage. Why were you evolved? How were you evolved, that you know. But why? These are different places of your evolution. Like when you are making a machine first you create a part of it, the base and then the upper part and the upper part, like that. The whole being that you are is created like this and these are the three main undercurrents, which have made you as a human being. This, this one, the first one , gives you the existence, the first one. This channel is called as the Ida Nadi. This channel gives you existence and passes over your heart where resides your Spirit. The Spirit has nothing to do.... [Hindi words] Come in, come in, come in. Sit down. Come this side. Sit down, sit down. You can come this side. The men can sit that side. You can come this side, and the ladies can... [Hindi talk]. Ah, you can sit there. They will come to this side. All the men should move this side. The ladies can sit there. It's all right. So Indians know this better, that because it has the Virata, you see, God Almighty you can say, the Virata, in which we are small cells in His being. We are made the same way as the Virata is made, the Great Primordial Being, is Virata. In that blue line that you see is the undercurrent for our existence and called as Ida channel within us. Now these are subtle channels within us. It is for our existence and also it gives us the activity of our emotional life, left side. Also it gives you your subconscious area. Where whatever you are listening to Me now, goes into that, in your past. This is a recording of all your past and all the subtle recording of your past goes into this. On the right side there is another channel here, which is golden color. This one is called as the Pingala Nadi or the Sun line. This is the Moon line and this is the Sun line within us called as Pingala Nadi, which gives us the physical being of our physical being and also our mental being. So we have left and right, two channels, Ida and Pingala. One is the moon line, another is the sun line. Now, this one outside is expressed,these two are expressed outside,this is the subtle current inside. In the medical terminology you can call them left and right sympathetic nervous systems. In the centre is our evolutionary path by which arising from the amoeba stage, from here, we have gone up gradually like that. From here we came first of all, from the carbon state to the amoeba state. Then we rose and there have been altogether line [GW: nine?] incarnations so far of the Divine power of evolution. So here the aspects of evolutionary divine power worked while this side the aspect of the existence and desire, aspect of God worked and this side this is physical being and the mental being or the creative being works on that. So God has mainly three aspects: one is the existence; second is the creation; and the third is the evolutionary aspect. This one represents the Shiva Tattwa, is the principle of Shiva or Sadashiva. This is the first and the last, it starts with this, manifests all these, again dissolves back. That's why it is called as Sadashiva. Then the second principle of creation is represented by Brahmadeva and His power is called as Saraswati. The third one in the centre, which is the evolutionary, is manifested through the incarnation of Vishnu, of Shri Vishnu. Shri Vishnu is here and when He grows to his full maturity He becomes this Virata. You go on developing from here up to this point. When you reach that point then only your Sahasrara, this petaled, as a thousand lotus petals, opens; it has got thousand petals. But you have to grow into a human being. Now this is the point, lowest, is the centre, is the centre of innocence, occupied by Shri Ganesha, it has nothing to do with the evolutionary piercing. You see, this, this force that is here, the force residual energy that is here, the Kundalini, passes above it. Only this controls the protocol of this force, which is inside; this is the triangular bone called as the coccyx. You have got the triangular bone. This energy is placed in this; you can say like the coil it is kept there. This is the main. So this coil has to come out to go to the mains. Now this is a living process. It is an evolutionary, divine process. You cannot pay for it, first thing. It's like the plumule [GW: primule?] or you can call it, it is like the germinating force of a seed which sprouts by itself. You cannot force it. You cannot. You cannot do it. It just works spontaneously through the grace of a Realized soul. You cannot do anything about it except for one thing that is this portion, which you see here it gets stuck. This is the place where a human sustenance is regulated. This is the part of sustenance, of evolution. Now this portion of the stomach is being sustained and is guarded and guided by the forces of religion âˆ' not the religion you know of outside, like some Brahmins coming and doing Puja, or say some Pope giving you a lecture, not by that, but by maintaining it through your balancing system within yourselves, leading a life which is balanced and not extreme. Any extremes will take you out this side to the left, to the subconscious, the collective subconscious or this side to the supraconscious. So any extreme is against Me. All the Ten Commandments described in the Bible are the ten religions we have to follow. This one is a very important thing for western people to understand. Of course in India they know that. I was just telling you that if you ask any Indian that you can reach God through sex, they'll just pull their ears to hear such a thing. But they have been told like this and they believe into it. The surprising [is/ thing?], just imagine. Even I mean, my husband when I told him he said that, "No, no. You see, they may not be believing but they must be just trying. They cannot. How can they believe such a silly thing?" He's an intelligent Indian and we have many here people intelligent ... Can you ever think such a thing will be accepted to us in India? She's a lady doctor sitting here. And because this is placed down below here, He's an embodiment of innocence. And this is your Mother, the Kundalini, sitting there. She's your Mother. Everybody has that Mother within him. And this Mother has to rise and open it out. This is not possible by forcing it. Nothing. If you are ready it will work out. Like a candle if it is ready, if it is not wet, then an enlightened candle can enlighten it without any difficulty. But if the candle is not all right, then the candle has to be put right. That's what I've been doing for the last three days, you know, is to put your candle right. Once the candle is put right, then only the Kundalini is going to rise and give you that experience of the being by which you get this chitananda lahari, these vibrations, which are described in all the Scriptures that when you are realized these vibrations start flowing not just talking. I've seen many people just talk, "not good vibrations, bad vibrations". How do you know? You are not yet connected to the mains. Like this instrument, when you are connected to the mains the record is established, like a computer. You are made very carefully. For thousands of years this body has been created as a human being. And this is the last evolutionary thing that has to happen and get. For that you don't have to be [medical/very well] educated. There is no need for you to know much. On the contrary, simpler people get it just like that. The more you are complicated the more you'll get problems. Now cancer is the answer, because without cancer you will not understand. So cancer has come, just to teach you. This is the parasympathetic nervous system in the centre, which is giving you the energy to both the sides, like this. I will show you. This starts...

Mooladhara Chakra, Kovalam, Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala, India, 9 February 1979. ...[TO THE] deity then the deity disappears from them, all right? The attention goes away from the place. Then they bring the Satan there and play the havoc. See these tantrikas have no relationship with our ancient Scriptures, no relationship at all. For example Rajnesh will never mention any one of our ancient Scriptures, nothing. They have no relationship with any deities. They have no relationship with any great writers we have had, like Adi Shankaracharya. Not a word. Holiness is the basis of religion and spirituality. In which Scripture this is written? Does he mean to say that he is, he has nothing to do with Christ, nothing to do with God, nothing to do with anyone, but only sex? [Allude you?] people are really, why don't you think are you only sex point? The interlocutor: So many things are written about it. Shri Mataji: Because you people wanted. The interlocutor: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Where is it? The interlocutor: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: No. No, no, no, no. The interlocutor: There's nothing about sex? Shri Mataji: Not a word. The interlocutor: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: No, no...What? You see that way these people have spoilt even ashwa medha yagna which was the..., such a great thing, you know. They have used it for their own purpose saying that this is the symbol of this. Even Shiva and Shakti, nonsensical people call it sex. How can you do that to God? You sublimate into that, the greater thing. What is sex? Every Dick, Tom, Harry can do sex... The interlocutor: We are used to do it so... Shri Mataji: Yes, then what? That's why they are telling you to do it and, but if you do it in a wrong way you'll have diseases, you'll have impotency, no children will be born to you if you misuse it. There is a sanctity about it. The interlocutor: May I ask you a question? Shri Mataji: Yes. The interlocutor: Do you say that one should never use sex? Shri Mataji: No, no, one should. One should be married. One should use sex. It's meant for a happy married life and for having children, and leading a very happy and a good life. You must have a good sex life. You see, we do not think of sex at all in India. Never. This is spontaneous. You see, we never think of sex and all this nonsense. We don't read about it. I mean, I can tell you except for few anglicised and westernised Indians whom you meet, you will hardly find anyone asking. Now they have met villagers. They don't even think about sex, is a thing, relationship with the wife, very sacred relationship. When you are with your wife, you see you indulge into it at the extreme point. That's all. We do not sit and read about sex. Why should you read about it? This is spontaneous thing. Why should you read? The interlocutor: I don't read this. Shri Mataji: That's it. But that's what they are doing it. This is another kind of Hitlerism. I can tell you this is another kind of a cruelty to human beings. See, you will be enticed absolutely; you would not find out, you will not know that this is a mistake. You'll get into it and then you'll realize it's a mistake. This is a destruction of your own being. By wars you have destroyed others. By this you will destroy yourself. What I say has a bearing in the Bible, has a bearing in Quran, has a bearing in what you call any of the Scriptures, of Upanishads and all that, every word of it, Gita and also of Adi Shankaracharya, every word of it. He has made forty crores of rupees. This also you don't understand that he's playing on your ego. You think you can purchase him, you can handle him. You don't understand this, you see. He is too cunning for you. The interlocutor: But how can you explain that so many western people.... Shri Mataji: Mad... The interlocutor: ...went to him and go to him every time? Shri Mataji: How can you explain so many Germans wanted to kill thousands of people like so many of them were burnt alive and put in the gas chamber? Do you, can you explain it? Very easy to befool you people, very easy. The trouble is you all think you are very clever. You can be outwitted by a cleverer cunning fellow. You are not cunning. You are only clever. Any cunning man can outwit you just like this. It's very easy to befool you. Then you should also think why is it that Indians do not even take his name in the morning? Indian Government is anxious to oust him. Why don't you think like that? If India is a place of wisdom, then why he is not at all respected in this country? The interlocutor: In fact in all houses his name is also mentioned he's considered most inauspicious [INNAUDIBLE]. Shri Mataji: Inauspicious. In his house, you see, if anybody mentions his name in Indian homes we think it is inauspicious; we think he's a Ravana. He's the incarnation of Ravana, Rajnesh is. The interlocutor: Incarnation of? Shri Mataji: The Ravana. The interlocutor: There is a... Shri Mataji: The one who fought against Rama. Demon, he is a demon no doubt. He is what, is he not? He is, hundred per cent he is Ravana. Be sure of it. [Hindi talk to a child] She's a born realized child. He is very nicely playing with your mind. In London, just imagine, in London, nine people got hold of a basement and took out their clothes and danced ecstatically, just take out all your clothes and say, "No, no, no, no, no, no". And they have within five months time, I don't know, they have thousands of people. They are buying the whole of London. Why can't you see this stupidity? I mean, at least at the time of Hitler you could say that people had this feeling to kill others. But in this, to be stupid is the feeling, is it? Absolute stupidity, nonsense. If by becoming naked you can reach God, then in the bathroom every day you are like that. I told you that don't go in the sun too much. Be careful. You see, this is also very wrong the way you expose your body to sun. You will develop skin cancers. Believe Me, you will develop skin cancers. You shouldn't burn your skin so much. It's not a good thing, you know. For sun also, you cover yourself and take the thing. Otherwise you will develop skin cancers. You should not overdo anything. Extremes should be avoided. That is how you land into difficulties, [or/for] how many people in Sweden are committing suicide today? You are rich people. Why are you committing suicide? While you find there Indians so happy, don't you? They haven't got riches or anything. How are they happy? Even when they are starving they are happier. Why? A person: I'm not sure whether they are so.... Shri Mataji: Not all, not all, but many. The same person: Because India is also [UNCLEAR]. They are much influenced by Europeans as well as [unclear]. Shri Mataji: No, no... They could not influence us... They tried, they tried... The same person: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: What is it? People: Cultural.... Shri Mataji: What he say? The same person: I think he says that also the India's cultural background is been modified like that, by the West. Shri Mataji: That is true but still we are Indians. The same person: [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji: Yes, I agree. The same person: But you know it can be about of the mind of the Indian people, you know the source and the education of lot of Indians, you know. Shri Mataji: That is what you are doing now to give us ideas. You see, you people are coming and give us, giving us ideas. See, we never knew that hashish could be sold like this. Now you are giving us ideas. Apart from that you are trying to develop our country, I agree, I agree, but there's a great aggression still on. But our this culture cannot be destroyed. Because our culture is a very deep thing, is very deeply built in our inside,you see. Our family structures cannot be destroyed easily. These are just permissions on the periphery, but inside India you cannot enter. You cannot. This is also another aggression, you don't know.,for us even the sex is an aggression from you people. We never had these ideas. For us it is difficult to maintain these horrible demons in this country but for you people who are maintaining them there. We would like them to be sent to you people so that you leave us alone with our auspiciousness, holiness and spirituality. It's a very subtle aggression coming to us and you people are saints. You must understand you were saints in India in previous lives. You have to understand our difficulty. You can have your sex, you can have your sex shops, you can have all nonsense, all your lives, doesn't matters, but for us you spare us now. In India we have a very, absolutely different ideas about the saint. A saint has to lead a very holy life. He has to be a holy person, very kind, [affected/ effected / affectionate]. He doesn't take any money from you. He's not a parasite. He lives with self-respect. Villagers just laugh, you see. They cannot understand. If you tell them, "Why do you go and sell them hashish?" they said, "Only the children go and do it. We don't do it." I said, "The children will have the sin. Why do you go and tell them?" They said, "No, the children go and have bath in the..., they don't know. They are innocent so they don't understand." But they are committing sins by doing these things. You must understand it is a very serious matter, My children. It's a very serious matter and responsibility will be your own. You are saints and how are you going about it? Where is it, in which Scripture it is written that sex should be the criteria for a saint? All right, I don't say suppress it like that. Your churches have done nonsensical thing. Of course, that's all nonsense, I agree. ...But this is another extreme, one is the suppression of sex, all right? Like nunneries and all that âˆ' that's all nonsense âˆ' but the other is even worse. You are going from one extreme to another extreme. God is in the centre. This overexcitement and these wrong ideas, I don't know how I accept. [Unclear] It is high time you people now understand because it will be very late, later on. As you said, "Why" to Me? now I am giving you an example. It's a, it's a... sort of a hypnosis, a kind of a hypnosis. You are just hypnotised. He does not explain how he does. He does not as I do. They know how to do it themselves. They know all the methods, how it is done, how Kundalini is brought up, how your heart has got the Spirit, which is brought into your parasympathetic. It's all written down in our books, how to make it out. As yesterday, that music you heard? Of chitananda lagari, you see you get these vibrations you must [UNCLEAR] that. This is what is written in our Scriptures, is there, and this is how one has to achieve. And even a person like Shankaracharya has said that, "Na yoghe na shanghena", means "neither by yoga", means the way you do Hatha yoga "neither by [unclear] works out" but it works out through the grace of Mother. A person like Shankaracharya, Adi Shankaracharya, such a learned man, who wrote Vivekachudamani, later on he just wrote the praise of Mother, that's all. He said, "Nothing more is needed." Now Rajnesh is just the opposite of it. He's teaching you how to insult your Mother. Nothing was wrong with Freud as you can say, because you cannot understand what was wrong with him. You do not have the complete idea as to what you are. I will tell you just now what you are and what you have to achieve. I'm waiting for all of them to come. You just think over; it's a very big responsibility. You people have given up materialism, you have started seeking God. Why? Because you were saints in your last life. It is described that saints would be seeking much more in the Kali Yuga, at this time. When these demands started all these thugs have also started supplying. What is the transformation of the person who talks to you intermittently? What did he get within himself, an experience? What is an experienced [GW: experience?]? You see if he says is an experienc you should say, "Can you make out what's wrong with me?" Ask him. These people can make out. He told me this chakra is catching, you will also say. Isn't it? I mean, there should be some knowledge of yourself. You must get some knowledge within yourself. Your consciousness must have a wider dimension, you understand? Now he told me that your left Vishuddhi is catching. So I asked you left Swadishthan to be, to be settled. It pains you there also. Now he doesn't know where it pains you. How did he tell Me? See now. So he could feel that is chakra is catching. The same person: Catched. Shri Mataji: Catched, caught up. Now I ask you, "Do you feel guilty?" That's it. It has been other things also. All of them can tell you. All of them can tell you what's wrong with you. Even if you have ten Realized children here if you tie up their eyes they will tell the same thing, that this is catching in this person and you will also feel the same. You put your hands and you will feel this finger burning. See? When your sensitivity will improve you will also tell about others. It is your instrument must start working. What are the experiences you are talking about? Like a hashish experience, then like a hallucination experience, then other experience; you had many like that, you see. "I was very high. Somebody says I'm very high." But what did you get? You see, you are, you are just regarding to something by some sort of a chemical thing or a hypnosis. Still all of us have not come. You have taken the photographs? Very nice then, I must say. I have professional photographs also. I think you are very good. Did a good job and we are all surprised. If you want you can take just now but they all have not yet arrived. Sahaja Yogi: [INAUDIBLE] not coming? Shri Mataji: No, but let Mr. George come and see Me. Tell him. Because he still gets sick, you see. I must [unclear]. You tell him today because tomorrow I won't have any chance. All right? If you want you can. Come along, come forward. This sit space is free if you want to get.... Now you are better. Much better now, see. See, you are in a way more sort of connected with Sanskrit language. You are the [UNCLEAR] connected with Sanskrit language. But I was surprised that how Germans were influenced by this horrible tantrikas. They, they don't know superficial things. You know, to know about tantrikas is like entering into the house through the sewage. First enter into the sewage only and then they got, I mean they never got any knowledge. No German has written about Shankaracharya. Most surprising. Not a word. They have written books after books over tantrikas, which is sewage for us, absolutely sewage. They could never enter because perhaps some way or other they were guided into it or taken into it. Mislaid completely. Even Jung I was surprised, even Jung, you see. Poor thing, you know, they, they come to whatever they read and whatever it is, they could never reach the reality. We have to reach to the bone of this country. Then only you'll get that peace and bliss which is promised. You must understand them not from outside but from inside. For that you have to go inside. But these all superficial experiences,if you depend on, then what's the use? [Hindi talk] What's your name? You've done really that photograph? Eldon? Really? You see here you're walking or what? That's all right. She has got light also. Whatever comes in, in a general way... This is a very subtle happening; it's a very, very subtle happening. It is not a gross happening where you think of women and think of these dirty things that you've before liked having casinos and busy life. It is not like this. It's a deep happening. It's a very, very deep happening and a very subtle happening for you will have to be very, very religious people. While you have no idea of religion in that country, I can tell you. Religion is within, not without. Like there are some priests and they are coming ... We don't believe in our priests âˆ' just for play sake we do âˆ' but we don't think that they are saints. Saints are very different. So the value of saints is so much reduced because your Pope has started certifying somebody as a saint. Naturally the Pope himself is not a saint. How does he know somebody is a saint or not? So I don't blame you, naturally. You are quite a sort of disillusion, absolutely correct. But by, but once this disillusion melts you don't go to another religion also. What is the reality? By knowing yourself you should know your inner being and you should know the inner beings of others, isn't it, Peter? Supposing you are an engineer, take it like that, all right? If you are an engineer, if you have become an engineer you will know about the instruments that are in your house and in anybody else's houses. [Hindi talk] Sit down, sit down. This is what should happen, by knowing self-knowledge means knowing yourself. What are you thinking about these experiences? You see, anybody can give you by putting you out somewhere. The experience of the Spirit is that by which you get the knowledge of your being and the knowledge of another person. Then something that you cannot achieve yourself, it has come [and dragged you as ...?]. It has to come [and drag you as...?]. If you can achieve God then He is no more God. If He is the Almighty then you cannot capture Him. He has to come to you, He has to give you, He has to do the job. This is like a kick you get, you see? What you call a kick, that kind of a kick which brings you [down?]. It gives you a kick. The way it is given a kick, you come down the same way. Nowhere in the scriptures is described it. Either you wipe out all the history of human beings and put these horrible people on the list, or this, their behaviour, their theories, must tally with the theories of the previous people. They must relate to that. So as I say, this is not a superficial thing, just a kick. It's a deep, embedded thing, which works out, flowers out. It's a reality, and reality takes time. Thousands of people going to Rajnesh itself suggest like it is plastic. There are gurus and gurus one better than other. The interlocutor: Can I [UNCLEAR] Dalai Lama? Shri Mataji: What Dalai Lama has done, also, think about... See, what you should do is to use your brains. Because somebody is a Dalai Lama must you accept? All right, what Dalai Lama has done, think it over. Has he given Realization to anyone? Has he transformed anybody's life, by which his life has become a king of happiness, joy? Has he given any peace to anyone? Think it over. You see, somebody says, "Now this is the place where you will get peace." You at least see the people who are coming out of it. Dalai Lama, I never knew was such a crook, to be very frank, till I sat just next to him because my husband was with the Prime Minister in Tibet. The Prime Minister sat so I could not come out, Lal Bahadur Shastri. So I sat next to him. I was just burning, all burning. So the Prime Minister said, "What's the matter?" I said, "Oh, God", I said, "Ma" in Hindi language, I said "You put Me on the other side". He was a parasite, [took tributes of?] such poor people. Sit down, sit down, good. He was just a parasite... Hello, how are you? Better? Now, that's it. Come along, sit down. If you want you can take another...Yes, good. He was like a parasite, and they were so poor, Tibetans were so poor, [when/Well] this man had nothing but some spirits, because of supraconscious. You will see that in Sahaja Yoga. See, we have people in this country who have called these spirits, what you call these, as we call it a smashan vidya. What do you say to smashan in English? premetorium, the knowledge of the premetorium you see. So they master some of the spirits, and they use these spirits for this purpose. They will tell you what horse you are going to win. Even that they can tell you. Now we must understand what is the interest of God in these things. Why should God tell you who is going to win the horse, what's wrong with your father, who is going to become Dalai Lama, this, that? God has no interest in all that. He has only one interest, only one interest, that you become your self, that you get connected with the mains and start understanding Him and that the instrument that you are should have your fulfilment. That's the only interest He has. He doesn't believe in giving you kicks and these experiences so-called of such sort of a hashish and things, no. He wants to give you the complete understanding of yourself through your awareness. It's an actualisation. It is not just lecturing that I lecture you. Actually I was not going to give you a lecture because you said, "You must give us a lecture," so I am giving you. You ask them. I've been working on their back for hours together now. He will tell you, from Denmark. I have to work hard. While this Rajnesh works no hard and he has made forty crores of rupees. Just he is telling you that you go into sex like this. I still cannot understand how can you ask for a guru for this. Even a dog and a bitch knows. Don't deviate yourselves. You are the Spirit. You are not sex points. He will leave you to impotency, complete impotency. He'll destroy you completely. He's just trying to pamper your ego. He's just trying to say, "Oh, you are great, you are..." Then "You'll [UNCLEAR], you are very great." If you are a rich man then you are even greater. He knows all about your status and everything. He has all the interest in the rich people. In India also he's using the Indian women who are rich women and supplying them with men. We had a boy known as Mario, who came to me and told me that he was used by a lady of sixty-five years old for six months and this lady was giving money to him. I know her name also. Her name is Sharvishtak. I get disciples from him who had this illusion. But I would blame your brains only that you cannot understand these things. How can he? You understand machines, but you don't understand human beings. He plays on your ego, he pampers your ego and you like it. You have forgotten Christ completely. What was Christ like? A person: ... He was a good man. Shri Mataji: He was a very good man. Same person: He was very, very.... full of knowledge more than other people at His time. Shri Mataji: Not only. Same person: If He lives now He would, He would.... Shri Mataji: You would deny Him. Same person: He would get better over the time than some people around here. Shri Mataji: No, He would not. You would deny Him much more than you would deny anybody else because, you see, He would not fit in to your conception of heavenly and Godly people. But only through Sahaja Yoga you will know that Christ exists within you here. You will know that He is there. You see when the Kundalini stops here you have to say Lord's Prayer and you have to take the name of Christ. Indians do it just like that because they know who He is, and they know more than you people. Same person: I was thinking that still in everybody of us there's a Father God working. So we can ... Shri Mataji: Yes... Same person: So we can... Shri Mataji: You can become that, all right. That's it, that's it, I'm.... Same person: I came just to see You. I've seen You one year ago, I don't know. You must remember, I've seen You in Delhi, [Kali Baba]. You were there, about a year ago. Shri Mataji: Is it? Same person: Yes.... You gave spontaneous Realization. Shri Mataji: So now, that's what I am saying that there is a part in you now I will tell you today, once for good, all right? Now. Now this is the human being and [unclear]... All right? Now please pay attention fully. Just see here. All right. Here now this is the human being or you have read that God has made man in His own image. So God also, you can say, this is a microcosm on the base great God and you all are cells in it made in the same image as this one. Now how are you made? You are made from amoeba to a human being. All right? First you were even carbon, even matter. You were evolved from amoeba to this stage. Why were you evolved? How were you evolved, that you know. But why? These are different places of your evolution. Like when you are making a machine first you create a part of it, the base and then the upper part and the upper part, like that. The whole being that you are is created like this and these are the three main undercurrents, which have made you as a human being. This, this one, the first one , gives you the existence, the first one. This channel is called as the Ida Nadi. This channel gives you existence and passes over your heart where resides your Spirit. The Spirit has nothing to do.... [Hindi words] Come in, come in, come in. Sit down. Come this side. Sit down, sit down. You can come this side. The men can sit that side. You can come this side, and the ladies can... [Hindi talk]. Ah, you can sit there. They will come to this side. All the men should move this side. The ladies can sit there. It's all right. So Indians know this better, that because it has the Virata, you see, God Almighty you can say, the Virata, in which we are small cells in His being. We are made the same way as the Virata is made, the Great Primordial Being, is Virata. In that blue line that you see is the undercurrent for our existence and called as Ida channel within us. Now these are subtle channels within us. It is for our existence and also it gives us the activity of our emotional life, left side. Also it gives you your subconscious area. Where whatever you are listening to Me now, goes into that, in your past. This is a recording of all your past and all the subtle recording of your past goes into this. On the right side there is another channel here, which is golden color. This one is called as the Pingala Nadi or the Sun line. This is the Moon line and this is the Sun line within us called as Pingala Nadi, which gives us the physical being of our physical being and also our mental being. So we have left and right, two channels, Ida and Pingala. One is the moon line, another is the sun line. Now, this one outside is expressed,these two are expressed outside,this is the subtle current inside. In the medical terminology you can call them left and right sympathetic nervous systems. In the centre is our evolutionary path by which arising from the amoeba stage, from here, we have gone up gradually like that. From here we came first of all, from the carbon state to the amoeba state. Then we rose and there have been altogether line [GW: nine?] incarnations so far of the Divine power of evolution. So here the aspects of evolutionary divine power worked while this side the aspect of the existence and desire, aspect of God worked and this side this is physical being and the mental being or the creative being works on that. So God has mainly three aspects: one is the existence; second is the creation; and the third is the evolutionary aspect. This one represents the Shiva Tattwa, is the principle of Shiva or Sadashiva. This is the first and the last, it starts with this, manifests all these, again dissolves back. That's why it is called as Sadashiva. Then the second principle of creation is represented by Brahmadeva and His power is called as Saraswati. The third one in the centre, which is the evolutionary, is manifested through the incarnation of Vishnu, of Shri Vishnu. Shri Vishnu is here and when He grows to his full maturity He becomes this Virata. You go on developing from here up to this point. When you reach that point then only your Sahasrara, this petaled, as a thousand lotus petals, opens; it has got thousand petals. But you have to grow into a human being. Now this is the point, lowest, is the centre, is the centre of innocence, occupied by Shri Ganesha, it has nothing to do with the evolutionary piercing. You see, this, this force that is here, the force residual energy that is here, the Kundalini, passes above it. Only this controls the protocol of this force, which is inside; this is the triangular bone called as the coccyx. You have got the triangular bone. This energy is placed in this; you can say like the coil it is kept there. This is the main. So this coil has to come out to go to the mains. Now this is a living process. It is an evolutionary, divine process. You cannot pay for it, first thing. It's like the plumule [GW: primule?] or you can call it, it is like the germinating force of a seed which sprouts by itself. You cannot force it. You cannot. You cannot do it. It just works spontaneously through the grace of a Realized soul. You cannot do anything about it except for one thing that is this portion, which you see here it gets stuck. This is the place where a human sustenance is regulated. This is the part of sustenance, of evolution. Now this portion of the stomach is being sustained and is guarded and guided by the forces of religion âˆ' not the religion you know of outside, like some Brahmins coming and doing Puja, or say some Pope giving you a lecture, not by that, but by maintaining it through your balancing system within yourselves, leading a life which is balanced and not extreme. Any extremes will take you out this side to the left, to the subconscious, the collective subconscious or this side to the supraconscious. So any extreme is against Me. All the Ten Commandments described in the Bible are the ten religions we have to follow. This one is a very important thing for western people to understand. Of course in India they know that. I was just telling you that if you ask any Indian that you can reach God through sex, they'll just pull their ears to hear such a thing. But they have been told like this and they believe into it. The surprising [is/ thing?], just imagine. Even I mean, my husband when I told him he said that, "No, no. You see, they may not be believing but they must be just trying. They cannot. How can they believe such a silly thing?" He's an intelligent Indian and we have many here people intelligent ... Can you ever think such a thing will be accepted to us in India? She's a lady doctor sitting here. And because this is placed down below here, He's an embodiment of innocence. And this is your Mother, the Kundalini, sitting there. She's your Mother. Everybody has that Mother within him. And this Mother has to rise and open it out. This is not possible by forcing it. Nothing. If you are ready it will work out. Like a candle if it is ready, if it is not wet, then an enlightened candle can enlighten it without any difficulty. But if the candle is not all right, then the candle has to be put right. That's what I've been doing for the last three days, you know, is to put your candle right. Once the candle is put right, then only the Kundalini is going to rise and give you that experience of the being by which you get this chitananda lahari, these vibrations, which are described in all the Scriptures that when you are realized these vibrations start flowing not just talking. I've seen many people just talk, "not good vibrations, bad vibrations". How do you know? You are not yet connected to the mains. Like this instrument, when you are connected to the mains the record is established, like a computer. You are made very carefully. For thousands of years this body has been created as a human being. And this is the last evolutionary thing that has to happen and get. For that you don't have to be [medical/very well] educated. There is no need for you to know much. On the contrary, simpler people get it just like that. The more you are complicated the more you'll get problems. Now cancer is the answer, because without cancer you will not understand. So cancer has come, just to teach you. This is the parasympathetic nervous system in the centre, which is giving you the energy to both the sides, like this. I will show you. This starts...

2/9/1979

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Thankfulness, false gurus - India Tour, Feb. 9, 1979 ..the Deities that are in these centres, the Deities just sleep off and the malignancy is set in, cancer is caused. Cancer cannot be cured unless and until you get your Self-realisation. Whether you are a doctor or anything I’ll tell you this! He is also a doctor from England. We have cured a cancer recently. I mean I can cure many cancer patients but my interest is not to do that. The only thing that will happen to all the saints, if they go wrong any more, will be cancer itself. Because ego, ego is too much, and ego comes from over-activity here, it bloats out like that and from this another side where is the emotional side on which we get a superego. So you are clutched like that. Now what has happened in the West we must understand. That you had too much of over-activity, your ego really bloated like a balloon and pressed this (superego) down. So you got fed up with it. You just said, “To hell with all this materialistic development!” Now we are trying to develop materially. You see, Indians must open their eyes, they have to short-circuit. They want to go into the same circuit of getting into the affluence and then coming back to their own norms. So they should feel their satisfaction within themselves and try not to overdo anything. By overdoing it you just got tired of all the activity, so you said “Give up that life!” That’s how you have given up that life. Alright? But by that where did you go? From one end of the pendulum you go to the other side. That’s why you have taken to the other side by which you take drugs and things - so you go away from yourself. It’s an escape. As this is an escape, this is also an escape. But face yourself in the centre. So all of you are catching on the left for the same reason. While Indians will be catching more on the right because they are developing now, advancement. Advancement only should be of the Spirit. Once you get the advancement of the Spirit, Krishna has said, “Yoga kshema vahamyahem.” That first you get your yoga and [then] your 'kshema' is looked after. But Indians, they may not accept these nonsensical ideas about sex but about material welfare they must get people from Russia, from Germany, from America and from England to teach us. Now, you have to tell these people that this material thing has led you to this kind of life - you are fed up of it, the complications of it - and that our people should not follow you and go into the same ditch and come back with the some drugs. Tomorrow Indian children are going to give up God, the way you people negated there - all the churches are telling this. Because in the temples you find all kind of nonsense going on! So we are on one extreme that once we give up, we become absolutely people who do not believe in God. So to avoid all this, you have to stand on your legs. By the rising of the Kundalini the Spirit here is expressed through the Sadashiva, the God Almighty, there. When this touches, passes, through this it integrates you completely, enlightens you, and there that principle of Sadashiva starts flowing through you, through your hands as vibrations. Cool vibrations come into you. Then, as soon as this happens, the whole instrument starts working - that your fingers start telling you what’s wrong with the other person. You start feeling on your fingers what is the chakra catching. Even a child can tell you. This is what has to happen to you. Then you get the state of satchitananda. ‘Sat’ is the knowledge: you get the knowledge about yourself and about others. ‘Chit’ is your attention - becomes so powerful that you can pay attention to somebody and can cure the person. You can find out what’s wrong with the person just [by] paying attention to him. Just paying attention to a person! It’s like a dynamic communication that is established in the Collective Consciousness. You become, you become! It is actualisation, it’s not lecturing. You really become collectively conscious, in the sense that you start feeling others. You attain a state of awareness in which you become aware of others, automatically, spontaneously. Anybody, even a child can say, “Yes, this is wrong with this person. This is catching, that is catching.” You just become. It is not lecturing or brainwashing. It’s the happening which should take place. This is what you should ask for and not for some sort of a ‘kick’ and a hallucination or some sort of a mesmerism that’s going on. And you must know that a person who is a religious person, a person who talks of God, has to lead a very, very moral life, has to be an excellent person, has to be full of compassion and love and should be above all these worldly things: he should not take money from you. How can a parasite be a Divine person? These are all parasites! For them, money is so important. They divert your attention to money. All the time they are diverting your attention to money! You cannot purchase such a person. Such a person is a king! You cannot purchase such a person. You cannot capture such a person. You cannot handle such a person. He lives beyond! But this is a big thing going on. People are creating a big rigmarole, and a very big enterprise. They sit down and find out how to propagate, how to have a big advertisement, how to do this, how to do that. And they work it out. They know. They are psychologists, they know how to handle your psyches. Without doing anything for you they have become multimillionaires! People are disillusioned, no doubt. But say, about today there are 1.000 people with them. Out of them five, six, they are disillusioned first, so they get out. Then again five, six get disillusioned, they get out. Like [in] Penang, I would say. This ‘Maharshi yogi’ started his work in Penang. In Penang now he dare not go there, because people will really kill him! Because they are all like a junky car. He went there about fifteen years back. They are just like junky cars, rattling just like that. They cannot take the name of God. One man told me, he cannot go near a church even [because] he starts rattling - like a junky car. This is all known as Smashana Vidya (Black Magic) in this country. You have no idea as to what you are facing with these people. You must only ask for this Eternal, of absolute values. But you ask for something cheap - then go and purchase it. There are markets for you. People are doing guru-shopping, go do it! If that satisfies your ego, go ahead! You will be born again and again doing the same work. What’s the use? If you are saints, take to the right things. Only because I do not take money from you and I cannot pamper your ego, you should not give up what is Reality is. I will give you whatever is the Reality; for which you cannot pay, which you cannot manoeuvre, which you cannot get with your effort, but through your spontaneity you are going to get it. Just ask for it! I am your Mother, I am going to tell you the truth. I am not going tell you, “Go and smoke and do whatever you like.” None of these gurus ever say that, “You don’t smoke!” Nor do they ever say that, “You don't take drinks!” At the most they will tell you that, “You become vegetarians.” That’s the best way of making you people weak! This vegetarianism of this extreme type is also not necessary. All right, those who do not need [meat] should not eat. But that does not mean a person cannot achieve spirituality if he eats other things; like Mohammed Sahib was a great person, Christ was a great person; even Rama was a kshatriya (warrior), Krishna was a kshatriya! So only thing you can do is to control your food. By controlling food and all these things you cannot achieve God. You have to control your whole religion within yourself. And that can come later on, once you get Realisation. So my style is first to give you Realisation outright, [to] start your machinery, whether [it is] second hand, third hand, fifth hand. Whatever kind of a car it is, let us start it off, then it will work out by itself, you will correct it because you will know where is the trouble. This is how my work is going to affect you and give you health. By this, your physical being is first corrected, naturally, because, if God has to enter into your being, if He has to be enlightened and enshrined, your temple has to be corrected. You must respect your body. You must respect your body! Then, your mental being is going to be corrected. If you have any mental problems, psychosomatic problems, they will be corrected; naturally, because the mind that is going to receive the knowledge of God has to be all right. And you are going to be emotionally absolutely stabilised in love, in pure love, and not this lust love that every time you look at a woman you have a feeling of possessing her, every time you look at a man you have a feeling of possession. But flee from all this enslavement into a real dignified life of yours, that is what is Sahaja Yoga is. For which you have to understand that it’s not a cheap thing. It's a very subtle happening. And if it happens to you, you have to maintain it. And how to maintain it and all that, we have worked it out. I have started my work with one person and now, as you know, in London, we have thousands. And that is three hundred very good Sahaja Yogis who were just like you. They were taking drugs and everything. They have given up - I never told them to give up -because you start enjoying yourself so much that you just give up. Because when the vibrations are flowing nicely, you feel better. And then you start doing with your hand all the miracles, the raising of the Kundalini. You yourself can do it. You can give them Realisation. You can do it. Now you have felt it isn’t it? You have felt the vibrations of others. Didn’t you feel it? You felt it, what was burning, what was happening, isn’t it? All this sensitivity comes to you as soon as you start opening it out. Now, the only difference is [that] - you are the people who are really ardently seeking it and renouncing it - but you have spoiled your Kundalinis by this kind of a plunging into all kind of nonsensical things. So I have to put them right. While Indians have got beautiful Kundalinis, they get it in no time, but they do not seek it! Where there are teeth, there are no chana, and where there is chana there are no teeth. Indians are only, when I go to them there, they’ll say, “All right, we have had darshan Mother, now we are alright!” That’s all their interested in, my darshan - finished!. Or at the most, somebody is sick, somebody is ill, just to cure! They are not interested in my programme, because now they want to develop themselves, you see. You must frustrate yourself! Worldly developments have brought no peace to you, no happiness to you, that you know, but they do not believe you. In this country, it is so great, that we can live with very little. In London, I have seen, that you cannot go out without wearing a coat! And you have to have centrally heated your house, otherwise you will die. You have to struggle all the time. That is the reason people have paid their attention outside to overcome the natural problems. While in this country there is no need. That’s why in our country, only, these great people like Adi Shankaracharya, like Nanaka, like Kabira, like recently, our Shirdi Sai Nath, and all these people were born because there you can live just in the jungle. You don’t have to pay much attention to your wellbeing here you can get everything nicely. This is the reason why Indians are so much religious. Their attention is religious, their traditions are religious, we started religion. But we have got such a big heritage, but where are we looking forward to? America and to Russia? Just go and see yourself how they are then you will never look forward to them. We have to look forward to Adi Shankaracharya, we have to look forward to our Nanaka, and to our great saints, those who lived in complete joy, peace and happiness. That is our heritage. We are not to play and go to these horrible things like casinos and things. That gives no joy, otherwise why are they (foreign seekers) here? We have to manifest our own, project our own; our own image, which is actually based on the Self-realisation only, nothing else. Let us be proud of it that we have got this heritage. And they are not going to respect you unless and until you are yourself. So, for Indians also, one has to learn a lot to be an Indian to understand what they have got already. These are all saints, you see. Really they are saints. Believe me, they are saints, reborn to seek God. But they are misled and with the thugs that have gone from your country only, so you are responsible to see that you give them love and to bring them back to normalcy. I would like you some time to come and visit the villages where I have done a lot of work. I don’t want publicity, that’s why I don’t have much publicity. City is useless for me. City is meant for people like Rajneesh and all these, who can go and put their bags filled up there with all the money that of city people have! I go to the villages, and in the villages, you will be amazed, how they will assimilate you. Because you dissolve into yourself, and they dissolve into themselves so you become just one! You can ask - these boys have been - how they were dancing and jumping with them and loving them and kissing them. All these false ideas, nonsensical ideas: this Freud, who has separated man from man, woman from woman, woman from man, husband from wife, children from mother. All this nonsensical fellow, this Freud, was another attack on the innocence, and you accepted him so readily. That is the reason why such people, like horrible people like these sexologists are thriving at your cost. Ask any Indian if they‘ve read anything of ‘Kamasutra’ or if they want to? None of them! See the innocence here isn’t lost. They won’t even understand half of what I am saying. They are so simple. If you talk to them you will be amazed. You have complicated yourself for nothing at all! Tantrism is the sewage of this country. Don’t come to us through that sewage! Come to us from the main door, then you will know what side of the sewage is. All right, thank you very much! May God bless you, let’s have it. Now, that you get your Realisation and settle down with it.

Thankfulness, false gurus - India Tour, Feb. 9, 1979 ..the Deities that are in these centres, the Deities just sleep off and the malignancy is set in, cancer is caused. Cancer cannot be cured unless and until you get your Self-realisation. Whether you are a doctor or anything I’ll tell you this! He is also a doctor from England. We have cured a cancer recently. I mean I can cure many cancer patients but my interest is not to do that. The only thing that will happen to all the saints, if they go wrong any more, will be cancer itself. Because ego, ego is too much, and ego comes from over-activity here, it bloats out like that and from this another side where is the emotional side on which we get a superego. So you are clutched like that. Now what has happened in the West we must understand. That you had too much of over-activity, your ego really bloated like a balloon and pressed this (superego) down. So you got fed up with it. You just said, “To hell with all this materialistic development!” Now we are trying to develop materially. You see, Indians must open their eyes, they have to short-circuit. They want to go into the same circuit of getting into the affluence and then coming back to their own norms. So they should feel their satisfaction within themselves and try not to overdo anything. By overdoing it you just got tired of all the activity, so you said “Give up that life!” That’s how you have given up that life. Alright? But by that where did you go? From one end of the pendulum you go to the other side. That’s why you have taken to the other side by which you take drugs and things - so you go away from yourself. It’s an escape. As this is an escape, this is also an escape. But face yourself in the centre. So all of you are catching on the left for the same reason. While Indians will be catching more on the right because they are developing now, advancement. Advancement only should be of the Spirit. Once you get the advancement of the Spirit, Krishna has said, “Yoga kshema vahamyahem.” That first you get your yoga and [then] your 'kshema' is looked after. But Indians, they may not accept these nonsensical ideas about sex but about material welfare they must get people from Russia, from Germany, from America and from England to teach us. Now, you have to tell these people that this material thing has led you to this kind of life - you are fed up of it, the complications of it - and that our people should not follow you and go into the same ditch and come back with the some drugs. Tomorrow Indian children are going to give up God, the way you people negated there - all the churches are telling this. Because in the temples you find all kind of nonsense going on! So we are on one extreme that once we give up, we become absolutely people who do not believe in God. So to avoid all this, you have to stand on your legs. By the rising of the Kundalini the Spirit here is expressed through the Sadashiva, the God Almighty, there. When this touches, passes, through this it integrates you completely, enlightens you, and there that principle of Sadashiva starts flowing through you, through your hands as vibrations. Cool vibrations come into you. Then, as soon as this happens, the whole instrument starts working - that your fingers start telling you what’s wrong with the other person. You start feeling on your fingers what is the chakra catching. Even a child can tell you. This is what has to happen to you. Then you get the state of satchitananda. ‘Sat’ is the knowledge: you get the knowledge about yourself and about others. ‘Chit’ is your attention - becomes so powerful that you can pay attention to somebody and can cure the person. You can find out what’s wrong with the person just [by] paying attention to him. Just paying attention to a person! It’s like a dynamic communication that is established in the Collective Consciousness. You become, you become! It is actualisation, it’s not lecturing. You really become collectively conscious, in the sense that you start feeling others. You attain a state of awareness in which you become aware of others, automatically, spontaneously. Anybody, even a child can say, “Yes, this is wrong with this person. This is catching, that is catching.” You just become. It is not lecturing or brainwashing. It’s the happening which should take place. This is what you should ask for and not for some sort of a ‘kick’ and a hallucination or some sort of a mesmerism that’s going on. And you must know that a person who is a religious person, a person who talks of God, has to lead a very, very moral life, has to be an excellent person, has to be full of compassion and love and should be above all these worldly things: he should not take money from you. How can a parasite be a Divine person? These are all parasites! For them, money is so important. They divert your attention to money. All the time they are diverting your attention to money! You cannot purchase such a person. Such a person is a king! You cannot purchase such a person. You cannot capture such a person. You cannot handle such a person. He lives beyond! But this is a big thing going on. People are creating a big rigmarole, and a very big enterprise. They sit down and find out how to propagate, how to have a big advertisement, how to do this, how to do that. And they work it out. They know. They are psychologists, they know how to handle your psyches. Without doing anything for you they have become multimillionaires! People are disillusioned, no doubt. But say, about today there are 1.000 people with them. Out of them five, six, they are disillusioned first, so they get out. Then again five, six get disillusioned, they get out. Like [in] Penang, I would say. This ‘Maharshi yogi’ started his work in Penang. In Penang now he dare not go there, because people will really kill him! Because they are all like a junky car. He went there about fifteen years back. They are just like junky cars, rattling just like that. They cannot take the name of God. One man told me, he cannot go near a church even [because] he starts rattling - like a junky car. This is all known as Smashana Vidya (Black Magic) in this country. You have no idea as to what you are facing with these people. You must only ask for this Eternal, of absolute values. But you ask for something cheap - then go and purchase it. There are markets for you. People are doing guru-shopping, go do it! If that satisfies your ego, go ahead! You will be born again and again doing the same work. What’s the use? If you are saints, take to the right things. Only because I do not take money from you and I cannot pamper your ego, you should not give up what is Reality is. I will give you whatever is the Reality; for which you cannot pay, which you cannot manoeuvre, which you cannot get with your effort, but through your spontaneity you are going to get it. Just ask for it! I am your Mother, I am going to tell you the truth. I am not going tell you, “Go and smoke and do whatever you like.” None of these gurus ever say that, “You don’t smoke!” Nor do they ever say that, “You don't take drinks!” At the most they will tell you that, “You become vegetarians.” That’s the best way of making you people weak! This vegetarianism of this extreme type is also not necessary. All right, those who do not need [meat] should not eat. But that does not mean a person cannot achieve spirituality if he eats other things; like Mohammed Sahib was a great person, Christ was a great person; even Rama was a kshatriya (warrior), Krishna was a kshatriya! So only thing you can do is to control your food. By controlling food and all these things you cannot achieve God. You have to control your whole religion within yourself. And that can come later on, once you get Realisation. So my style is first to give you Realisation outright, [to] start your machinery, whether [it is] second hand, third hand, fifth hand. Whatever kind of a car it is, let us start it off, then it will work out by itself, you will correct it because you will know where is the trouble. This is how my work is going to affect you and give you health. By this, your physical being is first corrected, naturally, because, if God has to enter into your being, if He has to be enlightened and enshrined, your temple has to be corrected. You must respect your body. You must respect your body! Then, your mental being is going to be corrected. If you have any mental problems, psychosomatic problems, they will be corrected; naturally, because the mind that is going to receive the knowledge of God has to be all right. And you are going to be emotionally absolutely stabilised in love, in pure love, and not this lust love that every time you look at a woman you have a feeling of possessing her, every time you look at a man you have a feeling of possession. But flee from all this enslavement into a real dignified life of yours, that is what is Sahaja Yoga is. For which you have to understand that it’s not a cheap thing. It's a very subtle happening. And if it happens to you, you have to maintain it. And how to maintain it and all that, we have worked it out. I have started my work with one person and now, as you know, in London, we have thousands. And that is three hundred very good Sahaja Yogis who were just like you. They were taking drugs and everything. They have given up - I never told them to give up -because you start enjoying yourself so much that you just give up. Because when the vibrations are flowing nicely, you feel better. And then you start doing with your hand all the miracles, the raising of the Kundalini. You yourself can do it. You can give them Realisation. You can do it. Now you have felt it isn’t it? You have felt the vibrations of others. Didn’t you feel it? You felt it, what was burning, what was happening, isn’t it? All this sensitivity comes to you as soon as you start opening it out. Now, the only difference is [that] - you are the people who are really ardently seeking it and renouncing it - but you have spoiled your Kundalinis by this kind of a plunging into all kind of nonsensical things. So I have to put them right. While Indians have got beautiful Kundalinis, they get it in no time, but they do not seek it! Where there are teeth, there are no chana, and where there is chana there are no teeth. Indians are only, when I go to them there, they’ll say, “All right, we have had darshan Mother, now we are alright!” That’s all their interested in, my darshan - finished!. Or at the most, somebody is sick, somebody is ill, just to cure! They are not interested in my programme, because now they want to develop themselves, you see. You must frustrate yourself! Worldly developments have brought no peace to you, no happiness to you, that you know, but they do not believe you. In this country, it is so great, that we can live with very little. In London, I have seen, that you cannot go out without wearing a coat! And you have to have centrally heated your house, otherwise you will die. You have to struggle all the time. That is the reason people have paid their attention outside to overcome the natural problems. While in this country there is no need. That’s why in our country, only, these great people like Adi Shankaracharya, like Nanaka, like Kabira, like recently, our Shirdi Sai Nath, and all these people were born because there you can live just in the jungle. You don’t have to pay much attention to your wellbeing here you can get everything nicely. This is the reason why Indians are so much religious. Their attention is religious, their traditions are religious, we started religion. But we have got such a big heritage, but where are we looking forward to? America and to Russia? Just go and see yourself how they are then you will never look forward to them. We have to look forward to Adi Shankaracharya, we have to look forward to our Nanaka, and to our great saints, those who lived in complete joy, peace and happiness. That is our heritage. We are not to play and go to these horrible things like casinos and things. That gives no joy, otherwise why are they (foreign seekers) here? We have to manifest our own, project our own; our own image, which is actually based on the Self-realisation only, nothing else. Let us be proud of it that we have got this heritage. And they are not going to respect you unless and until you are yourself. So, for Indians also, one has to learn a lot to be an Indian to understand what they have got already. These are all saints, you see. Really they are saints. Believe me, they are saints, reborn to seek God. But they are misled and with the thugs that have gone from your country only, so you are responsible to see that you give them love and to bring them back to normalcy. I would like you some time to come and visit the villages where I have done a lot of work. I don’t want publicity, that’s why I don’t have much publicity. City is useless for me. City is meant for people like Rajneesh and all these, who can go and put their bags filled up there with all the money that of city people have! I go to the villages, and in the villages, you will be amazed, how they will assimilate you. Because you dissolve into yourself, and they dissolve into themselves so you become just one! You can ask - these boys have been - how they were dancing and jumping with them and loving them and kissing them. All these false ideas, nonsensical ideas: this Freud, who has separated man from man, woman from woman, woman from man, husband from wife, children from mother. All this nonsensical fellow, this Freud, was another attack on the innocence, and you accepted him so readily. That is the reason why such people, like horrible people like these sexologists are thriving at your cost. Ask any Indian if they‘ve read anything of ‘Kamasutra’ or if they want to? None of them! See the innocence here isn’t lost. They won’t even understand half of what I am saying. They are so simple. If you talk to them you will be amazed. You have complicated yourself for nothing at all! Tantrism is the sewage of this country. Don’t come to us through that sewage! Come to us from the main door, then you will know what side of the sewage is. All right, thank you very much! May God bless you, let’s have it. Now, that you get your Realisation and settle down with it.

2/21/1979

http://amruta.org/?p=5540

Seminar Day 1

India

Rahuri

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2/22/1979

http://amruta.org/?p=5542

Seminar Day 2

India

Rahuri

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Marathi

2/23/1979

http://amruta.org/?p=8460

Seminar, Kundalini Shakti and the Seven Chakras

India

Ahmednagar

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1979-02-23, Seminar: Kundalini Shakti and the Seven Chakras, Ahmednagar The people of Ahmednagar sent us an invitation with lot of affection - we are all very grateful for that. And furthermore I feel Ahmednagar district to be very special. Because the work that began in Rahuri and which kept spreading – that made me realize that there was some special religious work that took place in this district in the past. Also, Maharashtra is a spiritual region. Hence a lot of saints have taken births over here and have done a lot of work. Finally, to mention as we all know, Shri Sai Nath has done beautiful work in Ahmednagar district. All this preparation has been going since prehistoric times. From an amoeba, the human grew to stage where he started to think about god. Why did he reach this stage from that of an amoeba? Why was so much effort put into him? Although he has reached the human stage, has he achieved his final perfection? The reason for which he has been brought from amoeba to this stage, does he know everything even after reaching this stage? The curiosity that he has about God, the yearning he has, the desire he has. Every Human being feels that there is a super power in this world – How did he know it and from where? He has written many books, worshiped saints and has also troubled them. So this human – there must be some special meaning to him. Nobody would have taken undue effort; at least God would not have wasted His efforts. For example if we build this instrument – we lay down its base, and then assemble all the parts – you will obviously ask “Mother, for whom you are making this? What is all this? Why are you making? What will it result into?” All this needs to be built up in the beginning. These preparations have to be made. And once all the preparations are done and the instrument is plugged into the mains – only then it starts working. Same with the human – God has created the human with this purpose – he too is an instrument of God. Not only is that but such a beautiful instrument made by HIM that it understands what is God. For instance this (mic) does not understand even if I am speaking through it. Even he who created it does not understand it. But that awareness has been bestowed upon a human by god is not present in the mic. This awareness was bestowed upon the human by God. And when that awareness is illuminated, enlightened, the human is able to know why god created him. And then the power of the divine starts gushing through him continuously. The manifestation of that power is your heartbeat. Now to say, it all looks very easy. What Mr Chavaan said is true. This thing happens within a moment, just a moment. As they say in English, split of a second. The event has to happen easily. Because this is such an important event – this is the final of stage evolution. We breathe – if we start thinking and analyzing before each breath, half of the population will die. All the things that are within us – those are natural. Sahaja – ‘Saha’ meaning ‘with’, ‘ja’ meaning ‘born’. ‘Sahaj’ means that which is born with us or our birthright is that of yoga. So, at the end, what are we. It should take place, it has to happen. When I tell people that you don’t have to put too much effort towards it, they are surprised – “How can Mataji say such a thing?” But can we call the Almighty to us through our efforts? Say, if a drop thinks that it can call the entire ocean towards itself through its efforts – is it possible? The ocean needs to come forward to absorb that drop into itself. It is the same thing. If, we say that we will slog – we will stand on our heads or we will run from here to there – that won’t help you achieve god. These efforts won’t help you get to Him. But if you are settled, you are religious and are on the middle path (not in the extremes), not involved too much in something then in these people it should happen easily. Like a tree bears a fruit – initially it just gets one fruit when it is small. Then it gets a couple more. And then it finally blossoms and many flowers turn into fruits. Likewise, today we are in a very special time – this process had to happen in this Kaliyuga. It is already happening and will continue to happen. So why is there so much commotion about it, I have not been able to understand till date. It surprises me when people think why it is like this or why it is like that. Now, if tomorrow I tell you that there is a diamond here, will you think first or will you go running and get it. So all that you have gathered in your past lives can be achieved by Sahaja Yoga – if I say this then why there is so much discussion- Many an incarnations have come on this earth to prepare you completely for this event. They have made all the necessary preparations to make you ready for it. How this has been done is shown in here. So look at it so I can explain you. All this body that you see on the outside, what is it surviving due to? If you ask doctors – what is a parasympathetic nervous system, they will say that it is an autonomous nervous system, meaning, it is self-driven. But who is this self? “That we don’t know.” At least they are honest about it – that they don’t know how it works. How is it functioning? That we don’t know. Now, once we eat our food, who digests it? This breathing – how does it go on continuously? Furthermore if you start running, the activity of your heart increases and it will start throbbing. That increase, you can achieve – but who accomplishes the task of bringing it back to normal? Who manages this process – if you ask the doctors, they will say - We cannot explain. It is beyond our science.” Also many people have experimented in psychology and proved that there is some All-pervading Power, which is ubiquitous. They call it the Universal Unconsciousness and this gives guidance to you through your dreams and in that, symbols are used to provide guidance. If a particular type of triangle appears in your dream, whether it is seen here or in Australia or in America, it has the same meaning. But the psychologists after reaching a state indicate that they cannot say anything more about it. “We can tell you how it looks on the outside but how it comes from within and how it works we cannot see. Our India is a very great country. We should be proud that it is really a great country. This is a land of Yoga. The people of this country never gave much importance to worldly or material things. They always thought of only questions such as - why did this human come in this world, how? From where? What is the meaning of his existence? And your ancestors have earned and discovered this knowledge through their meditation and hard work. The only difference is that it was not activated earlier and now it is happening through me. Like you are seeing this electricity today. It has such a great history to it. After years of efforts, someone finally discovered the way to produce it. If that someone would have kept this discovery to himself or shared only with a select few people, would you have believed that that Edison was such a great person. Newton was a great person. Discovery found even in every physical thing should reach the common man. Similarly discovery made in spirituality should be made available to everyone otherwise no one will believe it. For that matter, they say that we became human beings from amoebas, and that is a fact. But then again, not all amoebas became humans, not all beings in water have turned into reptiles and neither have all reptiles progressed to a higher level. There is some selection taking place. And it is only due to that selection and consequent evolution that we have reached to human state. And if there is a state above this we need to reach there. If there is a state hinted at or described by many, there has to be some filtering and such filtering does happen. If 10 people come in Sahaja Yoga, then 2 out of them may not receive it. Now we were at Covalam, the government of India had held our program - I guess this is the first time the government of India has displayed any wisdom. They organized our program at Covalam. Reporters were present there. Now, we all know what kind of people these reporters are. Some of them are way too weird. As soon as they came, they started demanding for alcohol – “Our fees are fixed - Give us a bottle of alcohol, else we will not come to your program” etc etc. When they started behaving thus, I told them that I don’t need any one of them to print anything for me. I told them to leave the venue that I didn’t want anything to do with them. They got offended by that and some of them wrote rubbish against Sahaja Yoga. But I had given Realization to a few of them. So some of them wrote good things, some wrote bad. No matter what you write, the truth cannot be taken back – because the truth is standing on itself. So even if, due to your pettiness or due to some foolishness, you write some falsehood, still the truth remains truth. So, if 8 out of 10 people get their realization then this thing is really true and should happen as well. And you see the proof for this in many ways. First, I will tell you about Kundalini and later, I will also tell you about how to validate its existence. Can everyone see this? (Mother is pointing to the chart). Now as you all are listening to me, all what I am saying is going into your mind, you hear that and it goes and settles in your subconscious. So this channel on the left is called the ‘Ida Nadi’. It is also called as the ‘Chandra Nadi’ (the moon channel). And in ‘Hatha Yoga’ it is called as the ‘Tha nadi’. It is that power of the Almighty which is responsible for our existence. It is the power of existence. And if you can agree, I’ll say that it is the power of Shiva. And it is called in Sanskrit as the power of Mahakali. Power of Mahakali. Now doctors will say that we don’t believe in the existence of Mahakali. Now, our Sanskrit language has been written thousands of years before English language came into existence, and discovery of these things was made thousands of years even before that - so the English are not yet qualified to analyze us. The Ida nadi that is on the left side, through this Ida nadi, our existence has begun. Our existence is dependent on it. And when there is no existence, we perish. So many times it is called as the power of destruction as well. Then, this power which is active on our right side (mother pointing to the chart), it rises up and then goes to your left. And this (Ida) goes up and then turns to your right. The power on our right side, through this energy on the right side, we manage our physical state, our physical activities and through this state we perform our mental activities as well. Means if we need to plan ahead, think ahead what we call as organizing something, we wish to do this properly such as ladies in the house plan to prepare papads or to prepare chutneys for tomorrow - etc. etc. thoughts like these what we call thinking of the future or planning – all of these take place through this power on the right side. Similarly the activity of our body, say we decide to go running tomorrow, the act of running or the movement of our body that too takes place through the lower side means the lower side is for that movement. We can call this as mental and physical existence, whatever it is or for whatever its utility is - is used for that purpose. Now this energy in the center is called as the ‘Sushumna Nadi’ - this energy is flowing through Sushumna Nadi. We have seen the operating power of God. This power of God operates through the Pingala Naadi on the right. And the Sushumna Nadi in the centre is responsible for Evolution. Dharma is established in us due to this. Now, carbon has 4 valencies. If we have any chemistry professors amongst us, they know that everything is perfectly fitted in the periodic laws. It seems remarkable, even surprising, as who must have planned all of that – how each and every element has been perfectly placed. So as carbon has 4 valencies, or there is gold – it never gets tarnished. That is its Dharma. Likewise, the dharma of human also gets created by this Sushumna Nadi. First the Dharma gets created in this and then its evolution takes place. The evolution takes place with changes in Dharma. – There is a difference between our Dharma and that of gold’s, between our Dharma and that of an animal. But, now that this human dharma has been created, what is the next stage? That is ‘Dharmateet’ (Beyond the dharma), ‘Gunateet’ (Beyond the gunas, characteristics that are associated with a human). Meaning, these 3 gunas that I’ve told you about – ‘Tamo guna’, ‘Rajo guna’ and ‘Satva guna’ - we go beyond all these 3 gunas as well after only after you take birth in the human race. The human has now reached a stage where he only needs to know the meaning of all this. He needs to be connected with the All-pervading Power that has created him. And for that, there is this energy called Kundalini which is residing here (mother points to the chart) at the bottom. It resides there in three and half coils. Just like a tape in a tape recorder, it sits inside us and records everything about us – all our doings, our virtues, sins – everything. And not only from this lifetime but from all previous lives – the Kundalini has it all recorded in her. Thus, this Kundalini resides at the bottom over there (Mother points to the chart). Just like the sprout is contained within the seed – this sprout in human beings, your own mother - this Kundalini, takes birth along with you, through all your lives. She keeps witnessing everything about you and waits till the time you get your realization and are reborn. In the past, only one or two people got their self-realization. We know quite a few such people. We haven’t heard of an incident where a whole lot of people turned into saints or they got to understand God. People have the knowledge means we read Dnyaneshwari, we read Geeta, we did all that but very few people understand God. And that is the reason why there is so much misunderstanding. To tell you, if you want to practice any Dharma (religion) or spirituality, the first thing that needs to happen is your connection with your Atma. Surprisingly, people don’t even know such a small thing. If you don’t know your Atma, if you don’t connect with it, you can never understand anything about God. One should have eyes. I should have eyes to see this beautiful hall. Just like that – until the eyes of your atma open, you cannot form any relation with God. Hence all these so called religions that we see today are all messed up. There is a reason for that. The spurious (fake) people have taken advantage of it. They have taken us onto a completely different path. And it has come to a stage where the youth not only in our country but all countries have lost their faith in God. You might know of Algeria, many Muslim people stay over there. And Muslim people over there are blind followers of faith (fanatics). Much more than us. And due to that fanaticism, their children – who became doctors, engineers, architects – they said that they don’t want any of this rubbish. “You spend your time in all this, read Namaz five times a day, break your heads – or go to Kaba (highest religious place for Muslims), do whatever you want, but we are not getting into all this, enough of it” . It was in such times that a young boy visited me in London and I gave him his realization. After realization, I explained him everything – Dharma means what, who is Prophet Mohammad, what is his role in our evolution. Then, who is Christ. Furthermore, – what is the meaning of all these incarnations such as Ram, Krishna. And when he went back, he gathered all his friends and told them that their idea about God was not true. There is God. There is an all-pervading power. The only problem was that they did not recognize their Atma, so they were wandering about like blind people. But one can get vision. And then he gave realization to 500 other people. So, you can see, our Sahaja yoga has emerged right in time. When those people are leaving Dharma to embrace atheism, Sahaja Yoga is there right in the centre, where they will get an actual evidence of God. Now this Kundalini is right here – Dyaneshwara has also talked a lot about it. Similarly Markandeya Swami and Adi Shankaracharya have done the maximum amount of work on it. They have made it lucid and explained it all so beautifully. But I am surprised that no one reads the work of Shankaracharya. Not only this but I had been to Covalum and he belongs to Kerala, he spent his life in Kaladi village there – and I was surprised when people over there told me “we do not know who this Shankaracharya, Adi Shankaracharya was, whom are you speaking about?” So much ignorance has come into people due to English education. What benefits English education has brought – you can see yourself in England. And all that which we have forgotten about ourselves – because we have become a secular state etc..- If complete ignorance about Dharma(religion) is a sign of secular state then it has spread in us completely – The dharma in this country is so deep – has been developed after immense contemplation and Each one of its attributes has been explained to such a detail, that we can rule this world on the basis of the truth of our religion. We can have a reign of love. And people of the whole world have developed a curiosity about our country. We know that thousands of people are coming with the notion that we must see what the truth of this country is. But we also have a lot of fraud people for them and these fraud people are looting them and they will never allow them to see the truth. I happened to visit ‘Musalwadi’ (a village in Maharashtra, India) a couple of days ago. Our disciples from there started saying that it was only due to the Sahaja that they have been blessed with such harmony - “We visited India so many times but we were never able to speak to any ‘Indian’. If at all we spoke, it was with those Indians who live in a western style who speak English better than Cambridge and without tailcoat consider themselves as Britishers. We felt very disgusted by this country.” So today, the situation is such that, these foreigners are astonished – seeing your culture and your state of contemplation. Astonished. And they don’t know whether to hold your feet or what. They are so surprised to see this carnival of love that – “we have forgotten everything.” Due to their English education (upbringing) their love, the warmth in their hearts, devotion, and faith – what all they had has washed away. That shouldn’t happen to us. It is very sad that it has started to happen here. Before independence we were all connected to our culture. But once we achieved our freedom we started running amuck. We felt like we could behave the way we want. It doesn’t work out that way – because if the human doesn’t achieve this state, will he be able to go back even to the animal stage - I am faced with that question. It is possible that he may go into the state of the rakshasa (demons). The next stage is to be a superhuman, so how will they go back to animal state? And even if they do go back, they might go to a state where they are neither a human nor an animal. This state of evolution has occurred in us completely. So different stages have been made for this evolution, out of these the first chakra in the first stage that exists in us - the one indicated as a square - is called Muladhara Chakra. Muladhara Chakra. Now people have created a number of false notions about that chakra as well, in India there is there is no dearth of creativity. Any Tom, Dick and Harry from here think he can talk about spirituality. Because who is going to challenge them? There are no measures to validate the truth – are there? Any one can call himself a guru. Anyone can get up and start giving lectures and thousands of people sit down to listen. I don’t understand what this person yaps and what do people listen to and what is the benefit? What is his reality? Only one thing, count how much money you have and how much you have distributed. There is nothing beyond this. Now, this chakra that we call as the ‘Mooladhar’ chakra – on this chakra, the almighty has placed Shri Ganapati himself. Now whether Ganapati exists or doesn’t, whether he exists in the religious treatise. A doctor may keep Ganapati in his house but when I say that some diseases are cured merely by Ganapati ‘stavan’ (praise) he will be utterly surprised. How can this happen? The doctors know all of ‘materia medica’ (medicines). This Ganapati in the house cures some diseases – what does it mean when Mataji says this. Can this be considered as true – but yes, they get cured. But you should have that authority. What connection do you have with him? None whatsoever. If you keep his idol in a corner of your house, that doesn’t mean that you have worshipped him. Meaning merely mouthing some niceties does not mean worshipping Him. Until you realize what Ganpati is and how to know HIM, until you get the right from the Almighty – till such time you will not know for what purpose, Ganapati has been placed inside us by the Almighty. Now this Ganapati is the symbol of purity. The almighty created only the purity and established Ganesha as its deity. You will be surprised looking at Kaliyuga today – no one will believe that the first thing god created on this earth was purity. After all, the Almighty is the Father, very merciful, the ocean of love and abode of compassion. His first thoughts were – “if I want my children to experience the ultimate joy, if I want to work that out, then I first need to establish the most beautiful quality in this universe.” And that’s why he established purity in this world. That purity has been established inside of us by Shri Ganesha on this ‘Mooladhaar’ chakra. Now to talk about Ganesha I will have to give a lecture and it is pretty long. So we will offer our respects to Him and move forward. Now the chakra which resides above Mooladhaar is called the ‘Swadishthaan’ chakra that too has been placed by the Almighty inside of us. Now all the activities pertaining to creation that we do, work of art, thinking – the creative power that exists in this universe gets utilized by this chakra. Now, the Swadishthaan Chakra that resides in us – due to it whatever work of art we do, or futuristic thinking or planning that we do etc – the burden of those tasks falls on this chakra. Meaning, we feel that we think with our brains. That is true. But even if we think with our brain, still the fat in that brain – where does that come from? That is created in our stomach here and properly supplied up to our brains by this Swadishthaan chakra. Now, he who thinks a lot, plans a lot is always in thoughts – such a person is very prone to suffer from diabetes. What is the reason? Because such a person puts a lot of strain on that chakra due to his thinking. And the other task this chakra has to do is to monitor the function of spleen, pancreas, kidney, uterus and the upper portion of the liver. If the chakra has to do this task on one hand and the other task as well, and if you load only one of these tasks on this chakra, then it creates imbalance resulting in the disease of diabetes. A person from a village will never get diabetes. But those who live an easy life or those who live a sedentary lifestyle, those are very prone to get this disease – the reason for that is they are always thinking. Now instead of thinking and planning themselves, if they understand the planning of the almighty, then they don’t have to take that trouble upon themselves. First understand God, meaning, his All-pervading Power is doing all the planning by itself. If you abide by that planning then all your tasks will work out properly and beautifully. If instead you take it upon yourself then you will plan, evaluate alternatives and work out the solutions where there will always be obstacles. You can see for yourself, the state of our country due to the existing planning. So the human doesn’t do anything. Everything is taken care of by God – if I say this then people won’t believe me. But we don’t do even a single task resulting in new life. You will be surprised. Let me ask you – what kind of work do we do? See these inanimate stones, they have been brought and fixed here, and the tiles have been laid out. A tree dies and you make artifacts out of it to put them in some gallery. And you say that we are great people. Can we do even a single living task? Can you even make a single seed sprout? Can we even create a single seed for that matter? So why boast - that we do this and we do that? You do nothing – all that you do is dead work. Now you pick this from here and put it there or vice versa, what special difference is it going to make? Just a waste of effort. On the contrary, by doing all such things the human has become a slave to the material things. For instance, our people from overseas they suffer from an inconvenience sometimes as they are used to sitting on chairs, they are unable to sit on this ground. Now as they are used to chairs I say they should move around with me with chairs. (Mother laughs), I don’t know how you are going to manage. Now once you avoid sitting on the floor then you acquire such habits. This materialism is so widespread that we are subservient to it. That does not mean you turn to ‘Sanyasa’ (become a hermit). You do not have to go to the other extreme. The moment I say, people start talking about taking Sanyas. There is no need to take to Sanyas. - You should get properly married, it is an institution created by God himself, and you should take good care of your children. But you should lead a life of purity. In Sahaja Yoga arrangement has been made for people who are ordinary – common folks and who lead a simple life. We can’t give Realization to Sanyasis. If someone comes as a sanyasi comes before us, we tell him to kindly put on normal clothes and meet us. Meaning, there is no need to walk around advertising yourself. The ‘Sanyas’ (the state of being a hermit) takes place inside us. To advertise in saffron robes and do some silly antics are signs of a monkey. Humans should not get addicted to such things, shouldn’t get involved into a such things – it is all very wrong. Likewise there are many gurus who wear such robes and try to show that they are some special people. Such people are to be kept outside the boundaries of the village. Sita has told in the Ramayana that any sanyasi who comes to our door needs to be kept outside the boundary of the village. On the boundary of the village for a day only and next day he should be made to leave. We are people with families; we are not associated with you. You are Sanyasis so go and sit in the forest, what is the need for you to come here? To live off of other people, this life of a parasite - there is no scope for this in Sahaja Yoga. If any of you are Sanyasis, monks like these, then goodbye to you – we can’t do anything for you. If like ordinary people you get married, means bachelors also stand a chance, if you live a life like that, then Sahaja is for you. Because such a human gets into balance. If children are in the house, the parents are in the house – the human gets balance, he realizes his constraints, he acts in a sane manner. He who doesn’t have a mother, father, no one – who acts as if he has come from an orphanage, or who doesn’t even know what constraints mean – how can we give Sahaja Yoga to such person? Because it is only due to limitations that a person gets bound and progresses. If you see, the plant follows the same principle. When the seed sprouts, it needs to be constrained, needs to be nurtured, needs to be looked after. Nowadays, the psychologists have started saying that where family system has broken, where the society is spoilt, the children from those societies turn rogue. And the widespread war in the world, so much of chaos – similarly the unhappiness that prevails in the people – at the root of all this is their broken homes. They have no mother, no father they are wandering like orphans. That is the reason for all this turmoil. This is what those psychologists have concluded. Now the second chakra that we call the Swadishthan chakra, the residing deity on it is Bramhadeva and his power Saraswati. But the Kundalini is the power that of virgin Gauri. And we know how Gauri created Shri Ganesha and had placed him to guard her door. Now, from that act we should infer that this Ganesha is looking after the purity of Gauri. That is referred to as ‘Protocol’ in English. He is sitting right there observing it. He does not affect the ascent of the Kundalini. He is just sitting there lovingly caring for it. Now people make attacks on Ganesha. The chakra on which Ganesha is situated is responsible for the functioning of the pelvic plexus. Even though the Mooladhara chakra is in ‘sukshma’ (felt but not seen, subtle) form, its functioning is due to pelvic plexus. This pelvic plexus also manages the sex aspect of our lives. As a child is completely unaware about sex, so a child, who will forever be one – always innocent and pure, has been placed there in the form of Ganesha. Now there are many dirty people. There is one in Pune as well. He teaches such filthy things – to raise the Kundalini one needs to indulge in carnal activities. It must be brought to his notice – he may still not get it. He does not have any mother or sisters. But this mother of yours, Kundalini, is being guarded by Ganesha who is sitting there - when we speak the language of raising Kundalini in this way, means we are implying to doing sin against our mother herself. Every person from India has the utmost contempt and anger against such horrible acts. And there are many people in our country who do such things. And this tantric (false guru) has ruined our country with such filthy deeds. Any son who has come out of his mother’s womb and if she is alive and witnesses such things, she will never tolerate such filth. We need to understand this. All such sadhus (monks and false gurus), people doing filthy things and driving you away from a pure life are just amassing money and roaming around in cadilacs. They need to be dumped into the sea. Or should be sent abroad. We should not allow them to operate over here. But it is surprising to know that the Hindustani people and I have heard even some ministers go to such people. I am surprised how can you even elect such people? In our country, if we do not understand what a mother stands for, then there will be nothing left of this country. It must be understood that mother is a very pure being and she has bestowed purity upon us. And those who talk such filth against her - you should be able to recognize how devastating and deadly they must be to our country. Now, the chakra, above the Swadishthan – we call it the ‘Nabhi Chakra’. It is also known as the ‘Manipur’ chakra. And on this chakra, reside Lakshmi and Narayana. These deities establish dharma; establish dharma (religion) within us. The characteristics of Lakshmi that we know - When we think that this person has Lakshmi, he is wealthy. That is what we construe. But there is a sea of difference between Lakshmi and money. Money does not mean Lakshmi and vice versa. Even if one aspect of her represents wealth and prosperity, the form of Lakshmi is very different. I’ll tell you about Lakshmi in short, because to speak about all the chakras is going to take a long time. So you have seen Lakshmi, her two hands are positioned this way and , two hands are holding lotuses. Meaning, he who is a ‘Lakshmi-pati’(a wealthy person), his heart should be like a lotus. Pink – that is his heart should have warmth and love. Similarly there should be a lotus-like beauty to his household. In his heart, in his attire, in is demeanor – he should have that lotus-like beauty. Just as a bumble-bee with its prickly thorns is welcomed by the lotus. Even if its thorns are hurtful, the lotus encloses the bee with its petals, covers it and makes it fall asleep comfortably. This is what a Lakshmi-pati should do. But a typical ‘Lakshmi-pati’ is a highly irritable person. So instead of referring to him as ‘Lakshmi-pati’ it would be appropriate to refer to only as person with money. You don’t get to see the real ‘Lakshmi-patis’ these days. But in our times, when we were of your age and young, that time we have seen quite a few such people. You are quite unfortunate in that respect and hence you get to see only the mercenary people. But in our times we have come across such great personalities that we could actually call them ‘Lakshmi-patis’. Now, her third hand symbolizes giving. Such a person should always be generous. And finally, her last hand symbolizes refuge – If people need refuge they should be provided with shelter. Such a person should be called a ‘Lakshmi-pati’. Also, Lakshmi herself is in the form of a lady, a mother. This person should be like a mother. We have established this image of Lakshmi since several ages before, since eternity, in this country. So great is our country. Can these materialistic people ever grasp this idea of Lakshmi? These are people who enjoy worldly pleasures. Can they ever think about these things? These are people who are ready to slit others’ throats even for every penny. Do you think they will ever fathom these thoughts? It is only us who have received this inheritance. We are not to give away this inheritance. We should be proud of it. Even if we might be poor, we are rich in our hearts – that should always be kept in mind. A person does not become rich or poor with money or the lack of it – he should have a benevolent heart. Now, it so happened that my father was a very rich man, and so is my husband – but if you ask me, I can sleep in a hut - I can sleep anywhere, even on the roads. Because I am in the state of happiness – I don’t need anything. Such a person, who doesn’t need anything – he is the real king. And the one who is in need, who looks at others with jealousy – we can’t call him a king. Lakshmi, a very important deity is on our Nabhi, and we should preserve this Lakshmi we should nurture this beauty in ourselves and people of our country continue to preserve this beauty. They know the importance of it. They are aware that only money is not everything. That, beyond it, lays the dharma which is of a far greater value. To live with Dharma does not mean parroting the name of god in the temples. The meaning of being religious has been explained by a number of saints in this country. In this land of saints, a number of gurus have come and have spoken to great lengths about what dharma is – we can’t thank them enough. But we don’t follow any of what they have said. Out of all the gurus, there have been 10 important ones and they have come in this world multiple times – of these the prophet Mohammad is an incarnation of ‘Dattatreya’. After Mohammed sahib, Nanaka who came on this earth was an incarnation of Dattatreya too, so was Janaka. Likewise Adinath, who came before Mahavira, was also an incarnation of Dattatreya. After this we were really lucky especially people from Ahmadnagar that Sainath, who stayed in Shirdi (which is close to Ahmadnagar), he too is an incarnation of Dattatreya. So, it is the same element of the Guru, which reappears on this earth and they taught several things regarding the balance of dharma. They didn’t talk much about giving Realization as such. They did not work too much on giving knowledge on Self enlightenment to people. The one thing he said – that all of them corroborate on – was not to consume alcohol. Either all those who drink will turn insane or people who write against drinking will become insane. So there is a scientific reason for not drinking alcohol. The other day I was telling a professor in Chemistry that there is a very scientific reason for not drinking alcohol. Alcohol and Cancer fall in the same category. Meaning, Alcohol and Cancer have the same effect on the OH ion due to which the heat generated when you work cannot flow through your blood vessels. This is so because the OH ion of the water content in the blood vessels cannot absorb the heat – because it changes its behavior. And due to this there is an - accumulation of heat in the lever, in your stomach – accumulation of all sorts of heat takes place. To tell you, cancer can be cured only through Sahaja Yoga and by no other way. And this we have achieved. We had cured a cancer patient in London. His wife is a well-renowned doctor there. They have established a medical institution there and she has been asking to deliver lectures over there. Let see what happens one I go there. Now this lady had so much heat inside her that she emitted heat continuously. While London is so cold, she opened all the doors and she said that too much heat is emanating from her body and everyone around felt as if there was a heater in the room. Same is the case of a drunkard. A person who drinks too much also accumulates a tremendous amount of heat in his liver, and then it spreads to his kidneys. His veins keep getting hardened. Now, the gurus have told to not drink. Now if I just tell you to not drink – you will never listen. Instead you will stop coming here. A couple of days ago, I asked people to promise that they would no longer consume alcohol – and half of them got up and left. I then said that just take the oath, I did not say that you will have to pay for that. But the moment I said this half the people got up and left. Now alcohol is such a harmful substance – would any mother ask of her child to destroy him? “It is like asking it (alcohol) to come and strike you”. Without alcohol you can walk alright on the road. Then why to drink? You waste your money and in addition you know how a drunkard behaves. Now we saw three accidents on our way here, and one where there was a drunk person rolling on the road. And this is something that we see every day. Yet, people tell me that the consumption has increased in India – that is something very surprising. So now, this alcohol, which is such a big enemy of ours – I don’t understand what wisdom we are exhibiting by giving it so much importance. But even then, we don’t ask anyone to give up alcohol in Sahaja Yoga. Just like what Mr. Chavan said, “Mataji does not tell to give up anything”. That is true, we don’t tell anything, like you should give now or later. But after you get your realization you will leave it. Now, a lot of people from London have come here. We have such 300 people who have been initiated in London. , thousands of people have received their realization. But these 300 are special. Most of them were drunkards, used to take drugs as well – but they came out of it. How? It is like this – when you happen to know your atma, when the atma starts having vibrations, when you start getting joy from within – then you don’t think at all about such things. Automatically such things drop off. This pleasure is so unique that you cannot imagine anything better. So, drink such wine which will never fade off and once you drink it, you will forget everything else. So, like I was saying, once this Lakshmi element gets awakened – a significant effect takes place that your economic situation gets better. This is astonishing. People are surprised – “What is Mataji saying! On one side is our economic condition and how will it become better? It is such that - The element of Lakshmi creates a blend, a combination – due to which your economic condition becomes better and stable. Now, take for example our students who have come from there. Previously, they had nothing to begin with. They used to live like beggars. Now they are so rich, they have no dearth of money or anything. Earlier these people had no place to live, nothing. I asked them what is this style of living, how can you live like this. After they came to me, had their Realization and immediately after that they had proper houses, decent life style, they have a radiogram this and that. I asked them from where you brought all this. Earlier you had no money even to feed yourself. They said they have stopped drinking, half the money used to go there. Why do they they need dole, to go to the bars. It is not like you don’t have money to feed yourself. It does not matter if you just go the bar. But what happens is that your Lakshmi gets affected. The moment you take to the bottle - Lakshmi leaves you. Why don’t we ever erect any monuments of drunkards? They are not in a state so as to erect their statues. And that is why all gurus had prohibited such things as alcohol, tobacco etc. And this is extremely important – we don’t understand its gravity. It is of utmost importance to humans – because all these things go against the consciousness. The consciousness through which you have to know God, if something goes against this consciousness, you can imagine how bad and how harmful it could be. Now the next chakra, the one above – is called the heart chakra, because it is situated in the heart, in between your lungs. And this is very important because the place of Goddess ‘Jagadamba’ is on this chakra.. Whenever a person feels scared, he remembers his mother if he realizes that, “Your mother is the mother of the entire world, is extremely powerful, and come what may – she will save you from everything”. We have heard so much about Jagadamba – like how many demons (rakshasas) she has killed and what all she has done. Similarly, once she got very angry and started dancing the ‘Taandav Nritya’- the dance of destruction. And then Lord Shiva didn’t know what will happen next, what will happen when the Mother is angry. The moment her own child was placed under her feet, she placed her foot gently on it with a long outstretched tongue. We have read this in the scriptures and this story is true. We experience this in our life. When a person gets a sense of insecurity or when he feels insecure, when he feels like some calamity is going to befall him, something is going to happen – his heart starts palpitating. The reason for that is that this heart chakra gets confused. The power from that chakra is destroyed or it vanishes. The people especially those who are afraid of being possessed by demons (bhoots), they feel like that someone or some negative forces will overpower them if they venture out, also go into this state. When this chakra is secure, when this chakra is enlightened, then the sense of security in the person increases. Now, a lot of women suffer from breast cancer. People think that this cancer happens due to some different reasons, but it is pretty straight forward – If woman is feeling insecure she will develop the cancer of breasts. Likewise, many suffer from shortness of breath. We have identified many such breathing problems and cured many such people. The governor of Kashmir, Mr Sahay, Bhagwan Sahay Saheb, he was suffering from respiratory problem for almost 25 years. We cured that too within five minutes. If you establish this chakra with divine vibrations, that person feels better for all his life. Because the moment this chakra is established, Power of Jagdamba awakens in him and the feeling of insecurity goes away and he starts living a joyful and satisfied life. The chakra above Hriday (Heart) chakra is Vishuddhi chakra. This is a very important chakra as well. Because it is due this chakra that a person has turned into a human from being an animal. He raised his head from a bowed down position to an upright one - it was at this point that he turned into a human being. And this neck is not to be bowed before anyone and certainly not before falsehood in any case. But if it is the Almighty, or someone who is worthy of reverence – the head should only be bowed down before such beings. We fall at the feet of every Tom, Dick and Harry – whether it is a ghost (bhoot) or an animal - we come down before everyone. There is no need to come down even at my feet. Unless you get the experience, you shouldn’t come down at my feet. I have witnessed two such incidents. When I was in London, the people out there used to wonder ‘Why should I come at Mataji’s feet?’ Now what to do if my feet are the ones doing all the work. Now people were offended because they didn’t want to come at my feet – even after they had got their realization. And a few days back when I was talking at some village, I said enough of coming at my feet. So they felt sad that Mataji is not allowing them to venerate her. So you see, you get to see these two extremes in this world today. The point is – you need to realize in your prudence that the human is the most specially crafted animal, of the highest category. And that he is not to bow down his head before every one. Likewise this is the seat of Virata within us. The Virata encompasses everything – and similarly the Alighty is totally like us. We are all elementary cells of his being. These cells, that we are, have been built exactly like the Almighty. When these cells get enlightened, they come to know the Virat (Almighty). So this is the place (Vishuddhi) through which you come to know about the Virat form of God. Now people who consume tobacco – I don’t know if Ahmednagar produces a lot of tobacco, but I see a pouch of tobacco dangling around everyone’s neck. Now I don’t understand how this tobacco has come into this Nagar district. Even the women use black tobacco- what is that - I don’t know where this type of tobacco came from. But because of this tobacco, this chakra is so badly affected due to which their children and even their children have developed coughing and breathing problems. But when told, no one listens. When they are asked to quit tobacco, they can’t. It is only when you come to Sahaja Yoga that you have to quit it, and there are very interesting experiences people narrate about kicking off this habit. There was this gentleman who used to do a lot of work in Sahaja Yoga and I was very fond of him. Even though he was very deep in Sahaja Yoga, he wasn’t able to give up his habit of consuming tobacco completely. He used to get the craving every once in a while. There was this one time when he had taken tobacco in my presence, thinking that I wouldn’t notice it. But I did. I did not pay attention to him and thought let’s wait and watch. Then he came up to me and said, “Mataji, my face suddenly becomes as big as that of Hanuman sometimes. I feel as if it is bloating. How is that happening? Is Sahaja Yoga turning me into Hanuman, I don’t understand?” So then I asked him “Do you consume tobacco?” “Yes Mataji”, he said and touched his ears apologetically. So I told him that, "Now you promise me. I will make you give it up. Just try a little. Because now that you have got your Realization, you won’t really feel the need for it". He said, “I have almost given it up”. I said, ”Whatever little is still remaining, just give it up and this Hanuman thing will go”. And so, finally that gentleman gave up the tobacco habit. This way, Sahaja Yoga cures everything effortlessly. And the way the cures happen are hilarious as well - Everyone should witness them and enjoy the fun. This Vishuddhi chakra – its importance cannot be over-emphasized. Because sixteen thousand channels are dependent on this chakra. So, you should understand that when you casually smoke that cigarette worth 2 pennies, you are basically destroying all those sixteen thousand channels. You have no idea as to how those channels have been tied up and where all and how they run through the system. In London, every doctor warns against smoking. Not only that, every cigarette pack has it written on it that it will kill you, you will get cancer, yet people smoke.( please sit down. Do you smoke? Why are you leaving, please sit down. Do not leave in the middle. People who smoke are leaving. I have not asked you to give it up right now. I understand quite well your compulsion). Now that cigarette has turned into a huge cancer, yet people can’t give it up – I know that habit is a thing that you cannot give up easily. Only you need to understand it compassionately and after correcting your vibrations it will go off automatically. It is easily kicked off and once you leave all the habits, man enters such an environment that we can say he has entered the Almighty’s kingdom. The position above that is that of the Agnya chakra. Now I have already told you before – all dharmas (religions) are flowers from the same tree. Yet we keep fighting about it – this is my flower, this is your flower and so on. All nurtured by the same power. Many a time’s different people came on this earth to do this work. Like I said, ten different gurus came – similarly this chakra situated on our forehead, where we apply the red kumkum that is called as Agnya `Chakra. This is the position of Mahavishnu. Now who is this Mahavishnu? If anyone has read Devi Mahatmya, they will come to know who he is. And its principle is that of Ganesha. Mahavishnu and Ganesha are two sides of the same coin. It was only once that Mahavishnu had taken an incarnation and that was in the form of Christ. Meaning, Christ is no one else but Mahavishnu. And if you read on Mahavishnu, you will be surprised that his descriptions, qualities, everything matches exactly to those of Christ. And Christ’s mother, Mary, was none other than Radha herself. Now it is described about Mahavishnu, that Radha herself created her son. And his father was Vishnu, hence he was named Christ. No one understood why Krishna was called Christ over there. Krishna was coined after the word Krishi (Farming). Krishna practised farming (Krishi) and the fruit of that is Christ. And it has also been described that Krishna has bestowed upon Christ his 16th right. Similarly Christ would become the support of the world and demonstrate people what Krishna had said: "Nainam chindanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavakah." [The soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, nor can it be burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.] This he will show that this power can never be destroyed and will bring forth the upliftment of people. And this has been evidenced in his (Christ’s) resurrection. So you see, all these entities (Christ, Krishna...) are related to one another, yet we keep fighting amongst ourselves because we have not understood how they are related. Everybody understands this after realization. And after that, we understand how to make use of each individual. Because of this help, the all pervading power also helps us so much that whatever we have had learnt so far, whatever petty ideas we have – that we are Hindus, Christians etc all such petty feelings become meaningless and then we truly transform into a global personality. Now, the chakra on top of that is called Sahasrara Chakra. When the Kundalini pierces this chakra, when it passes through the 'brahmarandhra' (fontanelle bone area), only then can it be said that the person has attained his Self-realization. Christ has called it the baptism, Mohammad has called it ‘peer’ – it has been said in all the religions, that you need to be reborn.You should transform into a ‘dwija'. Now, there is a lot of confusion regarding this as well. 'Dwija' does not mean only 'birth'. Only when he is reborn we would call him as ‘dwija'. In India, for a person who is called Brahmin can be employed or can be deployed for anything. Even though he does not possess 'Bramhanatva' (quality of a true Brahmin). Only by taking birth one does not begin a Brahmin. Only persons who are reborn are true Brahmins. From this point of view, we can call even Chokha Mela (Saint from a lower caste) as a Brahmin and call many Brahmins as Kshudras (Lower caste people). This is the situation. Recently, we had a program in Pune in a Brahmin gathering. They came to know that Mataji is not a Brahmin. They said “We will not allow Mataji to conduct the program”. So do things accordingly. “Everybody knows about Mataji. And if you cancel the program, it will be in news that you are discriminating as Brahmins. If you rake such an issue, it will defame you.” So they very reluctantly agreed - that as it is already decided, let’s do it now. As it was already publicized, they somehow agreed to this. The organizers did not inform me about all these inner stories. I got up for the speech and casually asked “If there are any Brahmins here, please come in front of me. Should be true Brahmins”. So 3-4 of them really stood in front of me. They said” We are Brahmins”. I said” Oh, Is that right? Then extend your hand towards me”. They started trembling. I said,” What’s happening to you?”. They said, “Mataji, We are trembling because you are the Power”. I said,” I agree that I am the Power. But why are you trembling? Nobody else is, only these two are shaking.” I said, “Ask them where they are from?” These were two persons from the Thane mental hospital. Now look at this. To have false pride about oneself. You cannot presume things about yourself. You need to become someone. It should happen in reality. And such spurious people, they have always tormented the saints. You know, how badly such people have caused misery to Dyaneshwara (A saint from Maharashtra, India). Then, Sai Nath (from Shirdi, Maharashtra, India). They have not spared anyone. Not only that - when Shankaracharya, Adi Shankaracharya went home when his mother died and he wanted to perform the final rituals, these people told him that,” you cannot perform as you are a sanyasi”. And nobody turned up for the final rituals. In Kaladi village he cut the tree and ignited the banana tree and performed the rituals. (And he cursed entire Kerala that you would perform the final rituals in front of your homes and bury the dead body there. Even today same thing is happening.) So, likewise, such unauthorized people have insulted all the saints and monks. Not only in our country, but in most of the countries. Even during the times of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) the unauthorized people tortured and persecuted him immensely. If we describe that we get to know that when compared to Muhammad sahib and family, even Dyaneshwara was not tortured so much. They tried to destroy them totally. Even today, such people who harass the saints and in the positions of power, claiming that “we are saints, we are fine hermits and we are false ascetics” are roaming around. Do not pay any attention to such people. There is a huge revolution taking place in Sahaja Yoga – as the true nature of religion has come to the fore, the dharma (religion) is getting completely established. People are now realizing that the unnecessary intermediaries keep robbing them and they will no longer pay alms to them. Traditions which make fool of you are of no use. Traditions which make you wise, which take you to a higher level, which really enlighten you spiritually.-only those traditions should be considered genuine. And you will be surprised – these fake people didn’t spare even a single saint, persecuted them all along although common people supported them. Even Christ, he too was crucified by them. The common man could realize who the saints were – but the fake ones never acknowledged them. A lot of such people have anger against me as well. But my principles are different hence it will have no effect on me. A few days back same thing happened. A gentleman brought a lady to one of my programs. She was suffering from the disease of epilepsy. If there are such diseases, I tell them to inform me before hand before bringing them. People who are possessed start shaking in front of me. People with epilepsy start getting jerks. So she again suffered from a stroke of epilepsy. After this I asked them why they have brought her without telling me. If you would have told me, I would have paid attention to her. See now she has suffered from a stroke of epilepsy. This is disrupting the talk. So he got up and started saying that ‘We are Brahmins and great people. We are priests at such and such temple. You saints and monks should serve us. And you should do this and that’. I said ‘Is that so. We should also get be beaten by shoes!! Get out from here.’ Still they were not prepared to leave. I said’ Beware if you come here again. Every time the saints have been greatly persecuted. This will not be tolerated any more. Enough is enough.’ It is then they got up and left. This way not only the saints were persecuted but also had to face their arrogance, had to suffer their bullying. The saints must be persecuted. If we slap them twice they must be prepared to be slapped 10 times. Because we are very wise and have a better understanding of Dharma (religion).’ This way we have made the saints suffer from so much of injustice, so much injustice, yet the common people just kept on witnessing. They also opposed the persecution and were punished for that. But the common people have always recognized the saints and revered them. And hence all my work is meant only for all common people like you. The chakra situated on the top is the Sahasrara chakra which has 1000 petals. Now doctors argue that these are 998 veins, two less 1000. I told them what great difference it makes if there are 998 or 1000. And just because of this silly issue they are turning their back to Sahaja Yoga. Now what to call such educated fools! And it was for this reason that I studied medicine – I knew I would have to deal with such so called educated people. We have with us two very wise doctors. One is a Russian. The other is a Parsi – he had been practicing in London for long time and is also a psychologist. So likewise we have a lot of educated and learned people with us here. They have studied each and every aspect of Sahaja Yoga in great detail. Not only that but they know what is the deity? What is the meaning of each deity? The moment I started teaching them Sahaja Yoga, they surprise me with their in depth analysis of the whole thing, they have sorted out each and everything. Whatever tapes those were prepared of my lectures and speeches - these people documented and classified the extracts from each and every lecture that I’ve been giving. Which cure is meant for what disease, this person is suffering from this disease? How to raise the Kundalini, what are the obstacles, where does it get blocked, roles of the deities etc. They have studied everything in detail. What do your deities do? So now you have to learn all this from them – because we only learn from the English, isn’t it so? You don’t follow what Mataji teaches, right. So I have brought these people along with me!( Mataji laughs). Now it is like this – we have such a great inheritance of our culture, we have been bestowed on with something great, and you are not even aware of it. And with such useless education methods I say - where you do not get to know what is true. What is all pervading power? There is no consideration for this; there is no exchange of thoughts on this. If you follow such useless education system, if you start following western culture then one could say that – you are throwing way the beauty, the wealth and opulence that you already possess. Now once you come on the Sahasrara and Kundalini pierces it, you get to experience the collective consciousness. Means you experience it and it’s not just an explanation by someone. It is called as actualization in English. This is actual experience. Experience means this is the enlightenment in you. The all pervading power of the Divine starts manifesting in you. The vibrations start flowing through your hands. Then, on your fingers, you start understanding which chakras are catching, yours or others. - Because once you are able to tap into your subtle system, you can tap into the subtle systems of others as well. As you can see on the chart, it is shown which finger indicates which chakra. What are the chakras on the left and right hand fingers how to heal and correct the chakras. Even a small child can tell you which chakra of yours is affected. Now I have 4 grandchildren and all of them are realized. Out of them the younger one is 2 and a 1⁄2 year old granddaughter. A couple of days ago, Patricia (a yogini) happened to visit her. She asked my granddaughter –“Anupama, which of my chakra is catching?” She does not understand English so well still she responded – left Vishuddhi and Nabhi. She told her clearly. She is so small, just 2 and half years old but she could tell. Patricia asked me – Mataji, how did she know? “The thing is, that this is all subjective knowledge. All this understanding is from within. Now as we can feel the difference between hot and cold, similarly the children also understand. You just indicate the name (person), they will tell about the state of chakras. Just before coming to Ahmednagar, we had been to this one other place. There a lady who was sitting in front of me. Her finger started shaking. I asked her ,”During delivery period, did you suffer a lot?” . She said, “Suffered a lot, this and that happened.” And that finger was shaking in front of me. And the chakra governed by this finger, controls the uterus. Means the right side of Swadishthan Chakra controls uterus. When I said this, she said “Mataji, How did you know this?” But I can see everything clearly. If you all can get this realization, this power to know yourself can exist in each one of us and it should happen so. Once this happens, the collective consciousness gets manifested in you. This does not happen by just proclaiming that we are all brothers and sisters. All that exists in the universe is present in this body. All that you are, that is me. So, feelings such as that of doing charity are all useless. If one of our fingers gets affected (catch), and if I do this way, it can become alright. If you are a part and parcel of us and if we are correcting you – aren’t we correcting ourselves as well? How are we doing a favor to you then? It is a condition that creates a state in you that you don’t have to tell that these are our brothers, you become connected. You feel this way. And you start wringing your hands. Many small children start putting their fingers in their mouth. Psychologist cannot explain why they do it – but we know. If they are realized children then it become evident as the chakra that is affected (by a catch) they will put those fingers in their mouth. Then they again change the fingers. There was an eleven month old girl. She could accurately depict the catches of different people as her fingers have a burning or pulling sensation. They start using their fingers for this. Now this science is so innovative and special – the science to know the divine is very vast. We all need to know this power. It is already present inside of us – all we need to do is to awaken it. There have been many allegations against this. There is one special thing I observe that people think that to awaken Kundalini is a very difficult process and while doing that we jump like frogs etc. etc.. There was this person who sat in front of me with both his legs in the air. People told him told him to not do that in my presence. He told them that let me sit this way only otherwise I will jump like a frog! They said why so? He said that his guruji (guru) had told him that people jump like frogs when their Kundalini is awakend. I asked him is that so? Then was he jumping? He said he used to jump. I said it seems you wish to convert me in a frog (Mataji laughs). Instead of converting into a super human if someone wants to convert into a frog and some others say that people roar like lions etc.. We have given realizations to thousands of people around the globe – Colombia, Chile, Argentina, China, Russia etc. – I have travelled across all these regions. Besides these - Iran, Italy, all the countries in the Mediterranean regions – I have travelled across all of them as well. And so, we have given realization to many people at these places – but nowhere did we come across people who started jumping like frogs. Everything went off quite well. Some people may or may not have felt a little heat, but nobody suffered from any problem. Or we can say 99 out of hundred people, did not suffer from any problem. Sometimes only a light sensation of heat can be felt on the hand. Very light sensation. And some people say that all this is very difficult. But if a difficult task can be accomplished easily by me, then I too have some special capabilities. This cannot happen without capabilities. And I am getting recognition because it was difficult. Everyone must realize that some major task was to be accomplished and it was also destined to happen. That is why,” Instead of Mataji inventing, she knows something which she has brought for us. She loves us immensely and we have the right on her possession. That is why we are getting it and we must possess it because it is rightfully ours.” If you take this position then you may suffer from the issues of ego because the ego goes into head. Especially for people in the city and as Ahmadnagar happens to be a city, I have to speak with caution. But it is not the same for people from villages. And our people from Mumbai are even more special. Because Mumbaikar’s (people from Mumbai) have a different mid set. Delhikar (people from Delhi) feel that they are superior to all. Since they are in power, they think in very different way. But if they suffer from some disease then they come running to me. Our Honorable President sir was also suffering from cancer. That time I cured him in London. He knows this. He will not allow me to publish this in paper or allow me to tell others. He will not do anything since this is not an official matter. Likewise humans have lot many problems. Whatever it is, you should all realize that this belongs to our mother, to us and is our very own. One should not be very formal about this, it is very simple. Even if you come and sit on my head, it is all fine – because I am your mother, not your guru. But even then there has to be some respect. You should respect your mother and you should know this. If you get your Realization with that sense of respect in your heart, you will be surprised to realize – that all that you had been searching for in the past lives, all the good that you’ve earned in those lives, it has all been manifested in you today. But even so, after Realization humans need to work upon themselves. Because sometimes people who have been rescued and put on a boat still feel like they are drowning. And some of them collapse. So after Realization, you need to put a bit of effort and establish yourself in it. And as to how to do that, there is center out here in Ahmednagar where everything will be explained. And there are very simple methods which will cure many of your diseases. So if you have any illnesses, you can get those cured as well. My photo emits vibrations so that can also .be used for treatments.. And all these people are very wise and have done a lot of work in Sahaja Yoga. So I have no doubt about it. I am sure that someday there will be the largest number of Sahaja yogis in Ahmadnagar. I am very grateful to all of you for inviting me here and giving me so much love and respect. (Claps). So now, those who wish to get their Realization should stay back, and those who don’t should leave. We cannot force anyone here because the truth is not going to come and fall at your feet, it doesn’t need your votes. So those who want it should sit down with humility. Those who are meant to get it, will get it. To start with, all your physical problems will start disappearing as soon as the Kundalini starts rising. Day before yesterday, there was a man who came to our program in Wardha (in Maharashtra) who had a tumor in his brain. As soon as his Kundalini came up to that point, he started feeling very light – his tumor had gone away. So it can take only a moment. But that is not the case with everyone; I would like to tell you upfront. There was a lady in Rahuri (in Maharashtra) who was not able to hear. She said her ears are totally clogged. When I chanted one ‘Aham Sakshat Mantra’ in her ear, she could hear immediately. Some one had made her deaf by blowing in some mantra, and as it was extracted, she could hear again. So everything we are telling you is the truth. There are no lies here, because we don’t want anything from you. We only want to give. Those who want it should take it and if not, they can leave. I won’t be hurt or offended at all. But being a mother, there is always this feeling that everyone should be blessed and become prosperous, should be blessed and become prosperous. So now everyone sit down with your hands towards me.

1979-02-23, Seminar: Kundalini Shakti and the Seven Chakras, Ahmednagar The people of Ahmednagar sent us an invitation with lot of affection - we are all very grateful for that. And furthermore I feel Ahmednagar district to be very special. Because the work that began in Rahuri and which kept spreading – that made me realize that there was some special religious work that took place in this district in the past. Also, Maharashtra is a spiritual region. Hence a lot of saints have taken births over here and have done a lot of work. Finally, to mention as we all know, Shri Sai Nath has done beautiful work in Ahmednagar district. All this preparation has been going since prehistoric times. From an amoeba, the human grew to stage where he started to think about god. Why did he reach this stage from that of an amoeba? Why was so much effort put into him? Although he has reached the human stage, has he achieved his final perfection? The reason for which he has been brought from amoeba to this stage, does he know everything even after reaching this stage? The curiosity that he has about God, the yearning he has, the desire he has. Every Human being feels that there is a super power in this world – How did he know it and from where? He has written many books, worshiped saints and has also troubled them. So this human – there must be some special meaning to him. Nobody would have taken undue effort; at least God would not have wasted His efforts. For example if we build this instrument – we lay down its base, and then assemble all the parts – you will obviously ask “Mother, for whom you are making this? What is all this? Why are you making? What will it result into?” All this needs to be built up in the beginning. These preparations have to be made. And once all the preparations are done and the instrument is plugged into the mains – only then it starts working. Same with the human – God has created the human with this purpose – he too is an instrument of God. Not only is that but such a beautiful instrument made by HIM that it understands what is God. For instance this (mic) does not understand even if I am speaking through it. Even he who created it does not understand it. But that awareness has been bestowed upon a human by god is not present in the mic. This awareness was bestowed upon the human by God. And when that awareness is illuminated, enlightened, the human is able to know why god created him. And then the power of the divine starts gushing through him continuously. The manifestation of that power is your heartbeat. Now to say, it all looks very easy. What Mr Chavaan said is true. This thing happens within a moment, just a moment. As they say in English, split of a second. The event has to happen easily. Because this is such an important event – this is the final of stage evolution. We breathe – if we start thinking and analyzing before each breath, half of the population will die. All the things that are within us – those are natural. Sahaja – ‘Saha’ meaning ‘with’, ‘ja’ meaning ‘born’. ‘Sahaj’ means that which is born with us or our birthright is that of yoga. So, at the end, what are we. It should take place, it has to happen. When I tell people that you don’t have to put too much effort towards it, they are surprised – “How can Mataji say such a thing?” But can we call the Almighty to us through our efforts? Say, if a drop thinks that it can call the entire ocean towards itself through its efforts – is it possible? The ocean needs to come forward to absorb that drop into itself. It is the same thing. If, we say that we will slog – we will stand on our heads or we will run from here to there – that won’t help you achieve god. These efforts won’t help you get to Him. But if you are settled, you are religious and are on the middle path (not in the extremes), not involved too much in something then in these people it should happen easily. Like a tree bears a fruit – initially it just gets one fruit when it is small. Then it gets a couple more. And then it finally blossoms and many flowers turn into fruits. Likewise, today we are in a very special time – this process had to happen in this Kaliyuga. It is already happening and will continue to happen. So why is there so much commotion about it, I have not been able to understand till date. It surprises me when people think why it is like this or why it is like that. Now, if tomorrow I tell you that there is a diamond here, will you think first or will you go running and get it. So all that you have gathered in your past lives can be achieved by Sahaja Yoga – if I say this then why there is so much discussion- Many an incarnations have come on this earth to prepare you completely for this event. They have made all the necessary preparations to make you ready for it. How this has been done is shown in here. So look at it so I can explain you. All this body that you see on the outside, what is it surviving due to? If you ask doctors – what is a parasympathetic nervous system, they will say that it is an autonomous nervous system, meaning, it is self-driven. But who is this self? “That we don’t know.” At least they are honest about it – that they don’t know how it works. How is it functioning? That we don’t know. Now, once we eat our food, who digests it? This breathing – how does it go on continuously? Furthermore if you start running, the activity of your heart increases and it will start throbbing. That increase, you can achieve – but who accomplishes the task of bringing it back to normal? Who manages this process – if you ask the doctors, they will say - We cannot explain. It is beyond our science.” Also many people have experimented in psychology and proved that there is some All-pervading Power, which is ubiquitous. They call it the Universal Unconsciousness and this gives guidance to you through your dreams and in that, symbols are used to provide guidance. If a particular type of triangle appears in your dream, whether it is seen here or in Australia or in America, it has the same meaning. But the psychologists after reaching a state indicate that they cannot say anything more about it. “We can tell you how it looks on the outside but how it comes from within and how it works we cannot see. Our India is a very great country. We should be proud that it is really a great country. This is a land of Yoga. The people of this country never gave much importance to worldly or material things. They always thought of only questions such as - why did this human come in this world, how? From where? What is the meaning of his existence? And your ancestors have earned and discovered this knowledge through their meditation and hard work. The only difference is that it was not activated earlier and now it is happening through me. Like you are seeing this electricity today. It has such a great history to it. After years of efforts, someone finally discovered the way to produce it. If that someone would have kept this discovery to himself or shared only with a select few people, would you have believed that that Edison was such a great person. Newton was a great person. Discovery found even in every physical thing should reach the common man. Similarly discovery made in spirituality should be made available to everyone otherwise no one will believe it. For that matter, they say that we became human beings from amoebas, and that is a fact. But then again, not all amoebas became humans, not all beings in water have turned into reptiles and neither have all reptiles progressed to a higher level. There is some selection taking place. And it is only due to that selection and consequent evolution that we have reached to human state. And if there is a state above this we need to reach there. If there is a state hinted at or described by many, there has to be some filtering and such filtering does happen. If 10 people come in Sahaja Yoga, then 2 out of them may not receive it. Now we were at Covalam, the government of India had held our program - I guess this is the first time the government of India has displayed any wisdom. They organized our program at Covalam. Reporters were present there. Now, we all know what kind of people these reporters are. Some of them are way too weird. As soon as they came, they started demanding for alcohol – “Our fees are fixed - Give us a bottle of alcohol, else we will not come to your program” etc etc. When they started behaving thus, I told them that I don’t need any one of them to print anything for me. I told them to leave the venue that I didn’t want anything to do with them. They got offended by that and some of them wrote rubbish against Sahaja Yoga. But I had given Realization to a few of them. So some of them wrote good things, some wrote bad. No matter what you write, the truth cannot be taken back – because the truth is standing on itself. So even if, due to your pettiness or due to some foolishness, you write some falsehood, still the truth remains truth. So, if 8 out of 10 people get their realization then this thing is really true and should happen as well. And you see the proof for this in many ways. First, I will tell you about Kundalini and later, I will also tell you about how to validate its existence. Can everyone see this? (Mother is pointing to the chart). Now as you all are listening to me, all what I am saying is going into your mind, you hear that and it goes and settles in your subconscious. So this channel on the left is called the ‘Ida Nadi’. It is also called as the ‘Chandra Nadi’ (the moon channel). And in ‘Hatha Yoga’ it is called as the ‘Tha nadi’. It is that power of the Almighty which is responsible for our existence. It is the power of existence. And if you can agree, I’ll say that it is the power of Shiva. And it is called in Sanskrit as the power of Mahakali. Power of Mahakali. Now doctors will say that we don’t believe in the existence of Mahakali. Now, our Sanskrit language has been written thousands of years before English language came into existence, and discovery of these things was made thousands of years even before that - so the English are not yet qualified to analyze us. The Ida nadi that is on the left side, through this Ida nadi, our existence has begun. Our existence is dependent on it. And when there is no existence, we perish. So many times it is called as the power of destruction as well. Then, this power which is active on our right side (mother pointing to the chart), it rises up and then goes to your left. And this (Ida) goes up and then turns to your right. The power on our right side, through this energy on the right side, we manage our physical state, our physical activities and through this state we perform our mental activities as well. Means if we need to plan ahead, think ahead what we call as organizing something, we wish to do this properly such as ladies in the house plan to prepare papads or to prepare chutneys for tomorrow - etc. etc. thoughts like these what we call thinking of the future or planning – all of these take place through this power on the right side. Similarly the activity of our body, say we decide to go running tomorrow, the act of running or the movement of our body that too takes place through the lower side means the lower side is for that movement. We can call this as mental and physical existence, whatever it is or for whatever its utility is - is used for that purpose. Now this energy in the center is called as the ‘Sushumna Nadi’ - this energy is flowing through Sushumna Nadi. We have seen the operating power of God. This power of God operates through the Pingala Naadi on the right. And the Sushumna Nadi in the centre is responsible for Evolution. Dharma is established in us due to this. Now, carbon has 4 valencies. If we have any chemistry professors amongst us, they know that everything is perfectly fitted in the periodic laws. It seems remarkable, even surprising, as who must have planned all of that – how each and every element has been perfectly placed. So as carbon has 4 valencies, or there is gold – it never gets tarnished. That is its Dharma. Likewise, the dharma of human also gets created by this Sushumna Nadi. First the Dharma gets created in this and then its evolution takes place. The evolution takes place with changes in Dharma. – There is a difference between our Dharma and that of gold’s, between our Dharma and that of an animal. But, now that this human dharma has been created, what is the next stage? That is ‘Dharmateet’ (Beyond the dharma), ‘Gunateet’ (Beyond the gunas, characteristics that are associated with a human). Meaning, these 3 gunas that I’ve told you about – ‘Tamo guna’, ‘Rajo guna’ and ‘Satva guna’ - we go beyond all these 3 gunas as well after only after you take birth in the human race. The human has now reached a stage where he only needs to know the meaning of all this. He needs to be connected with the All-pervading Power that has created him. And for that, there is this energy called Kundalini which is residing here (mother points to the chart) at the bottom. It resides there in three and half coils. Just like a tape in a tape recorder, it sits inside us and records everything about us – all our doings, our virtues, sins – everything. And not only from this lifetime but from all previous lives – the Kundalini has it all recorded in her. Thus, this Kundalini resides at the bottom over there (Mother points to the chart). Just like the sprout is contained within the seed – this sprout in human beings, your own mother - this Kundalini, takes birth along with you, through all your lives. She keeps witnessing everything about you and waits till the time you get your realization and are reborn. In the past, only one or two people got their self-realization. We know quite a few such people. We haven’t heard of an incident where a whole lot of people turned into saints or they got to understand God. People have the knowledge means we read Dnyaneshwari, we read Geeta, we did all that but very few people understand God. And that is the reason why there is so much misunderstanding. To tell you, if you want to practice any Dharma (religion) or spirituality, the first thing that needs to happen is your connection with your Atma. Surprisingly, people don’t even know such a small thing. If you don’t know your Atma, if you don’t connect with it, you can never understand anything about God. One should have eyes. I should have eyes to see this beautiful hall. Just like that – until the eyes of your atma open, you cannot form any relation with God. Hence all these so called religions that we see today are all messed up. There is a reason for that. The spurious (fake) people have taken advantage of it. They have taken us onto a completely different path. And it has come to a stage where the youth not only in our country but all countries have lost their faith in God. You might know of Algeria, many Muslim people stay over there. And Muslim people over there are blind followers of faith (fanatics). Much more than us. And due to that fanaticism, their children – who became doctors, engineers, architects – they said that they don’t want any of this rubbish. “You spend your time in all this, read Namaz five times a day, break your heads – or go to Kaba (highest religious place for Muslims), do whatever you want, but we are not getting into all this, enough of it” . It was in such times that a young boy visited me in London and I gave him his realization. After realization, I explained him everything – Dharma means what, who is Prophet Mohammad, what is his role in our evolution. Then, who is Christ. Furthermore, – what is the meaning of all these incarnations such as Ram, Krishna. And when he went back, he gathered all his friends and told them that their idea about God was not true. There is God. There is an all-pervading power. The only problem was that they did not recognize their Atma, so they were wandering about like blind people. But one can get vision. And then he gave realization to 500 other people. So, you can see, our Sahaja yoga has emerged right in time. When those people are leaving Dharma to embrace atheism, Sahaja Yoga is there right in the centre, where they will get an actual evidence of God. Now this Kundalini is right here – Dyaneshwara has also talked a lot about it. Similarly Markandeya Swami and Adi Shankaracharya have done the maximum amount of work on it. They have made it lucid and explained it all so beautifully. But I am surprised that no one reads the work of Shankaracharya. Not only this but I had been to Covalum and he belongs to Kerala, he spent his life in Kaladi village there – and I was surprised when people over there told me “we do not know who this Shankaracharya, Adi Shankaracharya was, whom are you speaking about?” So much ignorance has come into people due to English education. What benefits English education has brought – you can see yourself in England. And all that which we have forgotten about ourselves – because we have become a secular state etc..- If complete ignorance about Dharma(religion) is a sign of secular state then it has spread in us completely – The dharma in this country is so deep – has been developed after immense contemplation and Each one of its attributes has been explained to such a detail, that we can rule this world on the basis of the truth of our religion. We can have a reign of love. And people of the whole world have developed a curiosity about our country. We know that thousands of people are coming with the notion that we must see what the truth of this country is. But we also have a lot of fraud people for them and these fraud people are looting them and they will never allow them to see the truth. I happened to visit ‘Musalwadi’ (a village in Maharashtra, India) a couple of days ago. Our disciples from there started saying that it was only due to the Sahaja that they have been blessed with such harmony - “We visited India so many times but we were never able to speak to any ‘Indian’. If at all we spoke, it was with those Indians who live in a western style who speak English better than Cambridge and without tailcoat consider themselves as Britishers. We felt very disgusted by this country.” So today, the situation is such that, these foreigners are astonished – seeing your culture and your state of contemplation. Astonished. And they don’t know whether to hold your feet or what. They are so surprised to see this carnival of love that – “we have forgotten everything.” Due to their English education (upbringing) their love, the warmth in their hearts, devotion, and faith – what all they had has washed away. That shouldn’t happen to us. It is very sad that it has started to happen here. Before independence we were all connected to our culture. But once we achieved our freedom we started running amuck. We felt like we could behave the way we want. It doesn’t work out that way – because if the human doesn’t achieve this state, will he be able to go back even to the animal stage - I am faced with that question. It is possible that he may go into the state of the rakshasa (demons). The next stage is to be a superhuman, so how will they go back to animal state? And even if they do go back, they might go to a state where they are neither a human nor an animal. This state of evolution has occurred in us completely. So different stages have been made for this evolution, out of these the first chakra in the first stage that exists in us - the one indicated as a square - is called Muladhara Chakra. Muladhara Chakra. Now people have created a number of false notions about that chakra as well, in India there is there is no dearth of creativity. Any Tom, Dick and Harry from here think he can talk about spirituality. Because who is going to challenge them? There are no measures to validate the truth – are there? Any one can call himself a guru. Anyone can get up and start giving lectures and thousands of people sit down to listen. I don’t understand what this person yaps and what do people listen to and what is the benefit? What is his reality? Only one thing, count how much money you have and how much you have distributed. There is nothing beyond this. Now, this chakra that we call as the ‘Mooladhar’ chakra – on this chakra, the almighty has placed Shri Ganapati himself. Now whether Ganapati exists or doesn’t, whether he exists in the religious treatise. A doctor may keep Ganapati in his house but when I say that some diseases are cured merely by Ganapati ‘stavan’ (praise) he will be utterly surprised. How can this happen? The doctors know all of ‘materia medica’ (medicines). This Ganapati in the house cures some diseases – what does it mean when Mataji says this. Can this be considered as true – but yes, they get cured. But you should have that authority. What connection do you have with him? None whatsoever. If you keep his idol in a corner of your house, that doesn’t mean that you have worshipped him. Meaning merely mouthing some niceties does not mean worshipping Him. Until you realize what Ganpati is and how to know HIM, until you get the right from the Almighty – till such time you will not know for what purpose, Ganapati has been placed inside us by the Almighty. Now this Ganapati is the symbol of purity. The almighty created only the purity and established Ganesha as its deity. You will be surprised looking at Kaliyuga today – no one will believe that the first thing god created on this earth was purity. After all, the Almighty is the Father, very merciful, the ocean of love and abode of compassion. His first thoughts were – “if I want my children to experience the ultimate joy, if I want to work that out, then I first need to establish the most beautiful quality in this universe.” And that’s why he established purity in this world. That purity has been established inside of us by Shri Ganesha on this ‘Mooladhaar’ chakra. Now to talk about Ganesha I will have to give a lecture and it is pretty long. So we will offer our respects to Him and move forward. Now the chakra which resides above Mooladhaar is called the ‘Swadishthaan’ chakra that too has been placed by the Almighty inside of us. Now all the activities pertaining to creation that we do, work of art, thinking – the creative power that exists in this universe gets utilized by this chakra. Now, the Swadishthaan Chakra that resides in us – due to it whatever work of art we do, or futuristic thinking or planning that we do etc – the burden of those tasks falls on this chakra. Meaning, we feel that we think with our brains. That is true. But even if we think with our brain, still the fat in that brain – where does that come from? That is created in our stomach here and properly supplied up to our brains by this Swadishthaan chakra. Now, he who thinks a lot, plans a lot is always in thoughts – such a person is very prone to suffer from diabetes. What is the reason? Because such a person puts a lot of strain on that chakra due to his thinking. And the other task this chakra has to do is to monitor the function of spleen, pancreas, kidney, uterus and the upper portion of the liver. If the chakra has to do this task on one hand and the other task as well, and if you load only one of these tasks on this chakra, then it creates imbalance resulting in the disease of diabetes. A person from a village will never get diabetes. But those who live an easy life or those who live a sedentary lifestyle, those are very prone to get this disease – the reason for that is they are always thinking. Now instead of thinking and planning themselves, if they understand the planning of the almighty, then they don’t have to take that trouble upon themselves. First understand God, meaning, his All-pervading Power is doing all the planning by itself. If you abide by that planning then all your tasks will work out properly and beautifully. If instead you take it upon yourself then you will plan, evaluate alternatives and work out the solutions where there will always be obstacles. You can see for yourself, the state of our country due to the existing planning. So the human doesn’t do anything. Everything is taken care of by God – if I say this then people won’t believe me. But we don’t do even a single task resulting in new life. You will be surprised. Let me ask you – what kind of work do we do? See these inanimate stones, they have been brought and fixed here, and the tiles have been laid out. A tree dies and you make artifacts out of it to put them in some gallery. And you say that we are great people. Can we do even a single living task? Can you even make a single seed sprout? Can we even create a single seed for that matter? So why boast - that we do this and we do that? You do nothing – all that you do is dead work. Now you pick this from here and put it there or vice versa, what special difference is it going to make? Just a waste of effort. On the contrary, by doing all such things the human has become a slave to the material things. For instance, our people from overseas they suffer from an inconvenience sometimes as they are used to sitting on chairs, they are unable to sit on this ground. Now as they are used to chairs I say they should move around with me with chairs. (Mother laughs), I don’t know how you are going to manage. Now once you avoid sitting on the floor then you acquire such habits. This materialism is so widespread that we are subservient to it. That does not mean you turn to ‘Sanyasa’ (become a hermit). You do not have to go to the other extreme. The moment I say, people start talking about taking Sanyas. There is no need to take to Sanyas. - You should get properly married, it is an institution created by God himself, and you should take good care of your children. But you should lead a life of purity. In Sahaja Yoga arrangement has been made for people who are ordinary – common folks and who lead a simple life. We can’t give Realization to Sanyasis. If someone comes as a sanyasi comes before us, we tell him to kindly put on normal clothes and meet us. Meaning, there is no need to walk around advertising yourself. The ‘Sanyas’ (the state of being a hermit) takes place inside us. To advertise in saffron robes and do some silly antics are signs of a monkey. Humans should not get addicted to such things, shouldn’t get involved into a such things – it is all very wrong. Likewise there are many gurus who wear such robes and try to show that they are some special people. Such people are to be kept outside the boundaries of the village. Sita has told in the Ramayana that any sanyasi who comes to our door needs to be kept outside the boundary of the village. On the boundary of the village for a day only and next day he should be made to leave. We are people with families; we are not associated with you. You are Sanyasis so go and sit in the forest, what is the need for you to come here? To live off of other people, this life of a parasite - there is no scope for this in Sahaja Yoga. If any of you are Sanyasis, monks like these, then goodbye to you – we can’t do anything for you. If like ordinary people you get married, means bachelors also stand a chance, if you live a life like that, then Sahaja is for you. Because such a human gets into balance. If children are in the house, the parents are in the house – the human gets balance, he realizes his constraints, he acts in a sane manner. He who doesn’t have a mother, father, no one – who acts as if he has come from an orphanage, or who doesn’t even know what constraints mean – how can we give Sahaja Yoga to such person? Because it is only due to limitations that a person gets bound and progresses. If you see, the plant follows the same principle. When the seed sprouts, it needs to be constrained, needs to be nurtured, needs to be looked after. Nowadays, the psychologists have started saying that where family system has broken, where the society is spoilt, the children from those societies turn rogue. And the widespread war in the world, so much of chaos – similarly the unhappiness that prevails in the people – at the root of all this is their broken homes. They have no mother, no father they are wandering like orphans. That is the reason for all this turmoil. This is what those psychologists have concluded. Now the second chakra that we call the Swadishthan chakra, the residing deity on it is Bramhadeva and his power Saraswati. But the Kundalini is the power that of virgin Gauri. And we know how Gauri created Shri Ganesha and had placed him to guard her door. Now, from that act we should infer that this Ganesha is looking after the purity of Gauri. That is referred to as ‘Protocol’ in English. He is sitting right there observing it. He does not affect the ascent of the Kundalini. He is just sitting there lovingly caring for it. Now people make attacks on Ganesha. The chakra on which Ganesha is situated is responsible for the functioning of the pelvic plexus. Even though the Mooladhara chakra is in ‘sukshma’ (felt but not seen, subtle) form, its functioning is due to pelvic plexus. This pelvic plexus also manages the sex aspect of our lives. As a child is completely unaware about sex, so a child, who will forever be one – always innocent and pure, has been placed there in the form of Ganesha. Now there are many dirty people. There is one in Pune as well. He teaches such filthy things – to raise the Kundalini one needs to indulge in carnal activities. It must be brought to his notice – he may still not get it. He does not have any mother or sisters. But this mother of yours, Kundalini, is being guarded by Ganesha who is sitting there - when we speak the language of raising Kundalini in this way, means we are implying to doing sin against our mother herself. Every person from India has the utmost contempt and anger against such horrible acts. And there are many people in our country who do such things. And this tantric (false guru) has ruined our country with such filthy deeds. Any son who has come out of his mother’s womb and if she is alive and witnesses such things, she will never tolerate such filth. We need to understand this. All such sadhus (monks and false gurus), people doing filthy things and driving you away from a pure life are just amassing money and roaming around in cadilacs. They need to be dumped into the sea. Or should be sent abroad. We should not allow them to operate over here. But it is surprising to know that the Hindustani people and I have heard even some ministers go to such people. I am surprised how can you even elect such people? In our country, if we do not understand what a mother stands for, then there will be nothing left of this country. It must be understood that mother is a very pure being and she has bestowed purity upon us. And those who talk such filth against her - you should be able to recognize how devastating and deadly they must be to our country. Now, the chakra, above the Swadishthan – we call it the ‘Nabhi Chakra’. It is also known as the ‘Manipur’ chakra. And on this chakra, reside Lakshmi and Narayana. These deities establish dharma; establish dharma (religion) within us. The characteristics of Lakshmi that we know - When we think that this person has Lakshmi, he is wealthy. That is what we construe. But there is a sea of difference between Lakshmi and money. Money does not mean Lakshmi and vice versa. Even if one aspect of her represents wealth and prosperity, the form of Lakshmi is very different. I’ll tell you about Lakshmi in short, because to speak about all the chakras is going to take a long time. So you have seen Lakshmi, her two hands are positioned this way and , two hands are holding lotuses. Meaning, he who is a ‘Lakshmi-pati’(a wealthy person), his heart should be like a lotus. Pink – that is his heart should have warmth and love. Similarly there should be a lotus-like beauty to his household. In his heart, in his attire, in is demeanor – he should have that lotus-like beauty. Just as a bumble-bee with its prickly thorns is welcomed by the lotus. Even if its thorns are hurtful, the lotus encloses the bee with its petals, covers it and makes it fall asleep comfortably. This is what a Lakshmi-pati should do. But a typical ‘Lakshmi-pati’ is a highly irritable person. So instead of referring to him as ‘Lakshmi-pati’ it would be appropriate to refer to only as person with money. You don’t get to see the real ‘Lakshmi-patis’ these days. But in our times, when we were of your age and young, that time we have seen quite a few such people. You are quite unfortunate in that respect and hence you get to see only the mercenary people. But in our times we have come across such great personalities that we could actually call them ‘Lakshmi-patis’. Now, her third hand symbolizes giving. Such a person should always be generous. And finally, her last hand symbolizes refuge – If people need refuge they should be provided with shelter. Such a person should be called a ‘Lakshmi-pati’. Also, Lakshmi herself is in the form of a lady, a mother. This person should be like a mother. We have established this image of Lakshmi since several ages before, since eternity, in this country. So great is our country. Can these materialistic people ever grasp this idea of Lakshmi? These are people who enjoy worldly pleasures. Can they ever think about these things? These are people who are ready to slit others’ throats even for every penny. Do you think they will ever fathom these thoughts? It is only us who have received this inheritance. We are not to give away this inheritance. We should be proud of it. Even if we might be poor, we are rich in our hearts – that should always be kept in mind. A person does not become rich or poor with money or the lack of it – he should have a benevolent heart. Now, it so happened that my father was a very rich man, and so is my husband – but if you ask me, I can sleep in a hut - I can sleep anywhere, even on the roads. Because I am in the state of happiness – I don’t need anything. Such a person, who doesn’t need anything – he is the real king. And the one who is in need, who looks at others with jealousy – we can’t call him a king. Lakshmi, a very important deity is on our Nabhi, and we should preserve this Lakshmi we should nurture this beauty in ourselves and people of our country continue to preserve this beauty. They know the importance of it. They are aware that only money is not everything. That, beyond it, lays the dharma which is of a far greater value. To live with Dharma does not mean parroting the name of god in the temples. The meaning of being religious has been explained by a number of saints in this country. In this land of saints, a number of gurus have come and have spoken to great lengths about what dharma is – we can’t thank them enough. But we don’t follow any of what they have said. Out of all the gurus, there have been 10 important ones and they have come in this world multiple times – of these the prophet Mohammad is an incarnation of ‘Dattatreya’. After Mohammed sahib, Nanaka who came on this earth was an incarnation of Dattatreya too, so was Janaka. Likewise Adinath, who came before Mahavira, was also an incarnation of Dattatreya. After this we were really lucky especially people from Ahmadnagar that Sainath, who stayed in Shirdi (which is close to Ahmadnagar), he too is an incarnation of Dattatreya. So, it is the same element of the Guru, which reappears on this earth and they taught several things regarding the balance of dharma. They didn’t talk much about giving Realization as such. They did not work too much on giving knowledge on Self enlightenment to people. The one thing he said – that all of them corroborate on – was not to consume alcohol. Either all those who drink will turn insane or people who write against drinking will become insane. So there is a scientific reason for not drinking alcohol. The other day I was telling a professor in Chemistry that there is a very scientific reason for not drinking alcohol. Alcohol and Cancer fall in the same category. Meaning, Alcohol and Cancer have the same effect on the OH ion due to which the heat generated when you work cannot flow through your blood vessels. This is so because the OH ion of the water content in the blood vessels cannot absorb the heat – because it changes its behavior. And due to this there is an - accumulation of heat in the lever, in your stomach – accumulation of all sorts of heat takes place. To tell you, cancer can be cured only through Sahaja Yoga and by no other way. And this we have achieved. We had cured a cancer patient in London. His wife is a well-renowned doctor there. They have established a medical institution there and she has been asking to deliver lectures over there. Let see what happens one I go there. Now this lady had so much heat inside her that she emitted heat continuously. While London is so cold, she opened all the doors and she said that too much heat is emanating from her body and everyone around felt as if there was a heater in the room. Same is the case of a drunkard. A person who drinks too much also accumulates a tremendous amount of heat in his liver, and then it spreads to his kidneys. His veins keep getting hardened. Now, the gurus have told to not drink. Now if I just tell you to not drink – you will never listen. Instead you will stop coming here. A couple of days ago, I asked people to promise that they would no longer consume alcohol – and half of them got up and left. I then said that just take the oath, I did not say that you will have to pay for that. But the moment I said this half the people got up and left. Now alcohol is such a harmful substance – would any mother ask of her child to destroy him? “It is like asking it (alcohol) to come and strike you”. Without alcohol you can walk alright on the road. Then why to drink? You waste your money and in addition you know how a drunkard behaves. Now we saw three accidents on our way here, and one where there was a drunk person rolling on the road. And this is something that we see every day. Yet, people tell me that the consumption has increased in India – that is something very surprising. So now, this alcohol, which is such a big enemy of ours – I don’t understand what wisdom we are exhibiting by giving it so much importance. But even then, we don’t ask anyone to give up alcohol in Sahaja Yoga. Just like what Mr. Chavan said, “Mataji does not tell to give up anything”. That is true, we don’t tell anything, like you should give now or later. But after you get your realization you will leave it. Now, a lot of people from London have come here. We have such 300 people who have been initiated in London. , thousands of people have received their realization. But these 300 are special. Most of them were drunkards, used to take drugs as well – but they came out of it. How? It is like this – when you happen to know your atma, when the atma starts having vibrations, when you start getting joy from within – then you don’t think at all about such things. Automatically such things drop off. This pleasure is so unique that you cannot imagine anything better. So, drink such wine which will never fade off and once you drink it, you will forget everything else. So, like I was saying, once this Lakshmi element gets awakened – a significant effect takes place that your economic situation gets better. This is astonishing. People are surprised – “What is Mataji saying! On one side is our economic condition and how will it become better? It is such that - The element of Lakshmi creates a blend, a combination – due to which your economic condition becomes better and stable. Now, take for example our students who have come from there. Previously, they had nothing to begin with. They used to live like beggars. Now they are so rich, they have no dearth of money or anything. Earlier these people had no place to live, nothing. I asked them what is this style of living, how can you live like this. After they came to me, had their Realization and immediately after that they had proper houses, decent life style, they have a radiogram this and that. I asked them from where you brought all this. Earlier you had no money even to feed yourself. They said they have stopped drinking, half the money used to go there. Why do they they need dole, to go to the bars. It is not like you don’t have money to feed yourself. It does not matter if you just go the bar. But what happens is that your Lakshmi gets affected. The moment you take to the bottle - Lakshmi leaves you. Why don’t we ever erect any monuments of drunkards? They are not in a state so as to erect their statues. And that is why all gurus had prohibited such things as alcohol, tobacco etc. And this is extremely important – we don’t understand its gravity. It is of utmost importance to humans – because all these things go against the consciousness. The consciousness through which you have to know God, if something goes against this consciousness, you can imagine how bad and how harmful it could be. Now the next chakra, the one above – is called the heart chakra, because it is situated in the heart, in between your lungs. And this is very important because the place of Goddess ‘Jagadamba’ is on this chakra.. Whenever a person feels scared, he remembers his mother if he realizes that, “Your mother is the mother of the entire world, is extremely powerful, and come what may – she will save you from everything”. We have heard so much about Jagadamba – like how many demons (rakshasas) she has killed and what all she has done. Similarly, once she got very angry and started dancing the ‘Taandav Nritya’- the dance of destruction. And then Lord Shiva didn’t know what will happen next, what will happen when the Mother is angry. The moment her own child was placed under her feet, she placed her foot gently on it with a long outstretched tongue. We have read this in the scriptures and this story is true. We experience this in our life. When a person gets a sense of insecurity or when he feels insecure, when he feels like some calamity is going to befall him, something is going to happen – his heart starts palpitating. The reason for that is that this heart chakra gets confused. The power from that chakra is destroyed or it vanishes. The people especially those who are afraid of being possessed by demons (bhoots), they feel like that someone or some negative forces will overpower them if they venture out, also go into this state. When this chakra is secure, when this chakra is enlightened, then the sense of security in the person increases. Now, a lot of women suffer from breast cancer. People think that this cancer happens due to some different reasons, but it is pretty straight forward – If woman is feeling insecure she will develop the cancer of breasts. Likewise, many suffer from shortness of breath. We have identified many such breathing problems and cured many such people. The governor of Kashmir, Mr Sahay, Bhagwan Sahay Saheb, he was suffering from respiratory problem for almost 25 years. We cured that too within five minutes. If you establish this chakra with divine vibrations, that person feels better for all his life. Because the moment this chakra is established, Power of Jagdamba awakens in him and the feeling of insecurity goes away and he starts living a joyful and satisfied life. The chakra above Hriday (Heart) chakra is Vishuddhi chakra. This is a very important chakra as well. Because it is due this chakra that a person has turned into a human from being an animal. He raised his head from a bowed down position to an upright one - it was at this point that he turned into a human being. And this neck is not to be bowed before anyone and certainly not before falsehood in any case. But if it is the Almighty, or someone who is worthy of reverence – the head should only be bowed down before such beings. We fall at the feet of every Tom, Dick and Harry – whether it is a ghost (bhoot) or an animal - we come down before everyone. There is no need to come down even at my feet. Unless you get the experience, you shouldn’t come down at my feet. I have witnessed two such incidents. When I was in London, the people out there used to wonder ‘Why should I come at Mataji’s feet?’ Now what to do if my feet are the ones doing all the work. Now people were offended because they didn’t want to come at my feet – even after they had got their realization. And a few days back when I was talking at some village, I said enough of coming at my feet. So they felt sad that Mataji is not allowing them to venerate her. So you see, you get to see these two extremes in this world today. The point is – you need to realize in your prudence that the human is the most specially crafted animal, of the highest category. And that he is not to bow down his head before every one. Likewise this is the seat of Virata within us. The Virata encompasses everything – and similarly the Alighty is totally like us. We are all elementary cells of his being. These cells, that we are, have been built exactly like the Almighty. When these cells get enlightened, they come to know the Virat (Almighty). So this is the place (Vishuddhi) through which you come to know about the Virat form of God. Now people who consume tobacco – I don’t know if Ahmednagar produces a lot of tobacco, but I see a pouch of tobacco dangling around everyone’s neck. Now I don’t understand how this tobacco has come into this Nagar district. Even the women use black tobacco- what is that - I don’t know where this type of tobacco came from. But because of this tobacco, this chakra is so badly affected due to which their children and even their children have developed coughing and breathing problems. But when told, no one listens. When they are asked to quit tobacco, they can’t. It is only when you come to Sahaja Yoga that you have to quit it, and there are very interesting experiences people narrate about kicking off this habit. There was this gentleman who used to do a lot of work in Sahaja Yoga and I was very fond of him. Even though he was very deep in Sahaja Yoga, he wasn’t able to give up his habit of consuming tobacco completely. He used to get the craving every once in a while. There was this one time when he had taken tobacco in my presence, thinking that I wouldn’t notice it. But I did. I did not pay attention to him and thought let’s wait and watch. Then he came up to me and said, “Mataji, my face suddenly becomes as big as that of Hanuman sometimes. I feel as if it is bloating. How is that happening? Is Sahaja Yoga turning me into Hanuman, I don’t understand?” So then I asked him “Do you consume tobacco?” “Yes Mataji”, he said and touched his ears apologetically. So I told him that, "Now you promise me. I will make you give it up. Just try a little. Because now that you have got your Realization, you won’t really feel the need for it". He said, “I have almost given it up”. I said, ”Whatever little is still remaining, just give it up and this Hanuman thing will go”. And so, finally that gentleman gave up the tobacco habit. This way, Sahaja Yoga cures everything effortlessly. And the way the cures happen are hilarious as well - Everyone should witness them and enjoy the fun. This Vishuddhi chakra – its importance cannot be over-emphasized. Because sixteen thousand channels are dependent on this chakra. So, you should understand that when you casually smoke that cigarette worth 2 pennies, you are basically destroying all those sixteen thousand channels. You have no idea as to how those channels have been tied up and where all and how they run through the system. In London, every doctor warns against smoking. Not only that, every cigarette pack has it written on it that it will kill you, you will get cancer, yet people smoke.( please sit down. Do you smoke? Why are you leaving, please sit down. Do not leave in the middle. People who smoke are leaving. I have not asked you to give it up right now. I understand quite well your compulsion). Now that cigarette has turned into a huge cancer, yet people can’t give it up – I know that habit is a thing that you cannot give up easily. Only you need to understand it compassionately and after correcting your vibrations it will go off automatically. It is easily kicked off and once you leave all the habits, man enters such an environment that we can say he has entered the Almighty’s kingdom. The position above that is that of the Agnya chakra. Now I have already told you before – all dharmas (religions) are flowers from the same tree. Yet we keep fighting about it – this is my flower, this is your flower and so on. All nurtured by the same power. Many a time’s different people came on this earth to do this work. Like I said, ten different gurus came – similarly this chakra situated on our forehead, where we apply the red kumkum that is called as Agnya `Chakra. This is the position of Mahavishnu. Now who is this Mahavishnu? If anyone has read Devi Mahatmya, they will come to know who he is. And its principle is that of Ganesha. Mahavishnu and Ganesha are two sides of the same coin. It was only once that Mahavishnu had taken an incarnation and that was in the form of Christ. Meaning, Christ is no one else but Mahavishnu. And if you read on Mahavishnu, you will be surprised that his descriptions, qualities, everything matches exactly to those of Christ. And Christ’s mother, Mary, was none other than Radha herself. Now it is described about Mahavishnu, that Radha herself created her son. And his father was Vishnu, hence he was named Christ. No one understood why Krishna was called Christ over there. Krishna was coined after the word Krishi (Farming). Krishna practised farming (Krishi) and the fruit of that is Christ. And it has also been described that Krishna has bestowed upon Christ his 16th right. Similarly Christ would become the support of the world and demonstrate people what Krishna had said: "Nainam chindanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavakah." [The soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, nor can it be burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.] This he will show that this power can never be destroyed and will bring forth the upliftment of people. And this has been evidenced in his (Christ’s) resurrection. So you see, all these entities (Christ, Krishna...) are related to one another, yet we keep fighting amongst ourselves because we have not understood how they are related. Everybody understands this after realization. And after that, we understand how to make use of each individual. Because of this help, the all pervading power also helps us so much that whatever we have had learnt so far, whatever petty ideas we have – that we are Hindus, Christians etc all such petty feelings become meaningless and then we truly transform into a global personality. Now, the chakra on top of that is called Sahasrara Chakra. When the Kundalini pierces this chakra, when it passes through the 'brahmarandhra' (fontanelle bone area), only then can it be said that the person has attained his Self-realization. Christ has called it the baptism, Mohammad has called it ‘peer’ – it has been said in all the religions, that you need to be reborn.You should transform into a ‘dwija'. Now, there is a lot of confusion regarding this as well. 'Dwija' does not mean only 'birth'. Only when he is reborn we would call him as ‘dwija'. In India, for a person who is called Brahmin can be employed or can be deployed for anything. Even though he does not possess 'Bramhanatva' (quality of a true Brahmin). Only by taking birth one does not begin a Brahmin. Only persons who are reborn are true Brahmins. From this point of view, we can call even Chokha Mela (Saint from a lower caste) as a Brahmin and call many Brahmins as Kshudras (Lower caste people). This is the situation. Recently, we had a program in Pune in a Brahmin gathering. They came to know that Mataji is not a Brahmin. They said “We will not allow Mataji to conduct the program”. So do things accordingly. “Everybody knows about Mataji. And if you cancel the program, it will be in news that you are discriminating as Brahmins. If you rake such an issue, it will defame you.” So they very reluctantly agreed - that as it is already decided, let’s do it now. As it was already publicized, they somehow agreed to this. The organizers did not inform me about all these inner stories. I got up for the speech and casually asked “If there are any Brahmins here, please come in front of me. Should be true Brahmins”. So 3-4 of them really stood in front of me. They said” We are Brahmins”. I said” Oh, Is that right? Then extend your hand towards me”. They started trembling. I said,” What’s happening to you?”. They said, “Mataji, We are trembling because you are the Power”. I said,” I agree that I am the Power. But why are you trembling? Nobody else is, only these two are shaking.” I said, “Ask them where they are from?” These were two persons from the Thane mental hospital. Now look at this. To have false pride about oneself. You cannot presume things about yourself. You need to become someone. It should happen in reality. And such spurious people, they have always tormented the saints. You know, how badly such people have caused misery to Dyaneshwara (A saint from Maharashtra, India). Then, Sai Nath (from Shirdi, Maharashtra, India). They have not spared anyone. Not only that - when Shankaracharya, Adi Shankaracharya went home when his mother died and he wanted to perform the final rituals, these people told him that,” you cannot perform as you are a sanyasi”. And nobody turned up for the final rituals. In Kaladi village he cut the tree and ignited the banana tree and performed the rituals. (And he cursed entire Kerala that you would perform the final rituals in front of your homes and bury the dead body there. Even today same thing is happening.) So, likewise, such unauthorized people have insulted all the saints and monks. Not only in our country, but in most of the countries. Even during the times of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) the unauthorized people tortured and persecuted him immensely. If we describe that we get to know that when compared to Muhammad sahib and family, even Dyaneshwara was not tortured so much. They tried to destroy them totally. Even today, such people who harass the saints and in the positions of power, claiming that “we are saints, we are fine hermits and we are false ascetics” are roaming around. Do not pay any attention to such people. There is a huge revolution taking place in Sahaja Yoga – as the true nature of religion has come to the fore, the dharma (religion) is getting completely established. People are now realizing that the unnecessary intermediaries keep robbing them and they will no longer pay alms to them. Traditions which make fool of you are of no use. Traditions which make you wise, which take you to a higher level, which really enlighten you spiritually.-only those traditions should be considered genuine. And you will be surprised – these fake people didn’t spare even a single saint, persecuted them all along although common people supported them. Even Christ, he too was crucified by them. The common man could realize who the saints were – but the fake ones never acknowledged them. A lot of such people have anger against me as well. But my principles are different hence it will have no effect on me. A few days back same thing happened. A gentleman brought a lady to one of my programs. She was suffering from the disease of epilepsy. If there are such diseases, I tell them to inform me before hand before bringing them. People who are possessed start shaking in front of me. People with epilepsy start getting jerks. So she again suffered from a stroke of epilepsy. After this I asked them why they have brought her without telling me. If you would have told me, I would have paid attention to her. See now she has suffered from a stroke of epilepsy. This is disrupting the talk. So he got up and started saying that ‘We are Brahmins and great people. We are priests at such and such temple. You saints and monks should serve us. And you should do this and that’. I said ‘Is that so. We should also get be beaten by shoes!! Get out from here.’ Still they were not prepared to leave. I said’ Beware if you come here again. Every time the saints have been greatly persecuted. This will not be tolerated any more. Enough is enough.’ It is then they got up and left. This way not only the saints were persecuted but also had to face their arrogance, had to suffer their bullying. The saints must be persecuted. If we slap them twice they must be prepared to be slapped 10 times. Because we are very wise and have a better understanding of Dharma (religion).’ This way we have made the saints suffer from so much of injustice, so much injustice, yet the common people just kept on witnessing. They also opposed the persecution and were punished for that. But the common people have always recognized the saints and revered them. And hence all my work is meant only for all common people like you. The chakra situated on the top is the Sahasrara chakra which has 1000 petals. Now doctors argue that these are 998 veins, two less 1000. I told them what great difference it makes if there are 998 or 1000. And just because of this silly issue they are turning their back to Sahaja Yoga. Now what to call such educated fools! And it was for this reason that I studied medicine – I knew I would have to deal with such so called educated people. We have with us two very wise doctors. One is a Russian. The other is a Parsi – he had been practicing in London for long time and is also a psychologist. So likewise we have a lot of educated and learned people with us here. They have studied each and every aspect of Sahaja Yoga in great detail. Not only that but they know what is the deity? What is the meaning of each deity? The moment I started teaching them Sahaja Yoga, they surprise me with their in depth analysis of the whole thing, they have sorted out each and everything. Whatever tapes those were prepared of my lectures and speeches - these people documented and classified the extracts from each and every lecture that I’ve been giving. Which cure is meant for what disease, this person is suffering from this disease? How to raise the Kundalini, what are the obstacles, where does it get blocked, roles of the deities etc. They have studied everything in detail. What do your deities do? So now you have to learn all this from them – because we only learn from the English, isn’t it so? You don’t follow what Mataji teaches, right. So I have brought these people along with me!( Mataji laughs). Now it is like this – we have such a great inheritance of our culture, we have been bestowed on with something great, and you are not even aware of it. And with such useless education methods I say - where you do not get to know what is true. What is all pervading power? There is no consideration for this; there is no exchange of thoughts on this. If you follow such useless education system, if you start following western culture then one could say that – you are throwing way the beauty, the wealth and opulence that you already possess. Now once you come on the Sahasrara and Kundalini pierces it, you get to experience the collective consciousness. Means you experience it and it’s not just an explanation by someone. It is called as actualization in English. This is actual experience. Experience means this is the enlightenment in you. The all pervading power of the Divine starts manifesting in you. The vibrations start flowing through your hands. Then, on your fingers, you start understanding which chakras are catching, yours or others. - Because once you are able to tap into your subtle system, you can tap into the subtle systems of others as well. As you can see on the chart, it is shown which finger indicates which chakra. What are the chakras on the left and right hand fingers how to heal and correct the chakras. Even a small child can tell you which chakra of yours is affected. Now I have 4 grandchildren and all of them are realized. Out of them the younger one is 2 and a 1⁄2 year old granddaughter. A couple of days ago, Patricia (a yogini) happened to visit her. She asked my granddaughter –“Anupama, which of my chakra is catching?” She does not understand English so well still she responded – left Vishuddhi and Nabhi. She told her clearly. She is so small, just 2 and half years old but she could tell. Patricia asked me – Mataji, how did she know? “The thing is, that this is all subjective knowledge. All this understanding is from within. Now as we can feel the difference between hot and cold, similarly the children also understand. You just indicate the name (person), they will tell about the state of chakras. Just before coming to Ahmednagar, we had been to this one other place. There a lady who was sitting in front of me. Her finger started shaking. I asked her ,”During delivery period, did you suffer a lot?” . She said, “Suffered a lot, this and that happened.” And that finger was shaking in front of me. And the chakra governed by this finger, controls the uterus. Means the right side of Swadishthan Chakra controls uterus. When I said this, she said “Mataji, How did you know this?” But I can see everything clearly. If you all can get this realization, this power to know yourself can exist in each one of us and it should happen so. Once this happens, the collective consciousness gets manifested in you. This does not happen by just proclaiming that we are all brothers and sisters. All that exists in the universe is present in this body. All that you are, that is me. So, feelings such as that of doing charity are all useless. If one of our fingers gets affected (catch), and if I do this way, it can become alright. If you are a part and parcel of us and if we are correcting you – aren’t we correcting ourselves as well? How are we doing a favor to you then? It is a condition that creates a state in you that you don’t have to tell that these are our brothers, you become connected. You feel this way. And you start wringing your hands. Many small children start putting their fingers in their mouth. Psychologist cannot explain why they do it – but we know. If they are realized children then it become evident as the chakra that is affected (by a catch) they will put those fingers in their mouth. Then they again change the fingers. There was an eleven month old girl. She could accurately depict the catches of different people as her fingers have a burning or pulling sensation. They start using their fingers for this. Now this science is so innovative and special – the science to know the divine is very vast. We all need to know this power. It is already present inside of us – all we need to do is to awaken it. There have been many allegations against this. There is one special thing I observe that people think that to awaken Kundalini is a very difficult process and while doing that we jump like frogs etc. etc.. There was this person who sat in front of me with both his legs in the air. People told him told him to not do that in my presence. He told them that let me sit this way only otherwise I will jump like a frog! They said why so? He said that his guruji (guru) had told him that people jump like frogs when their Kundalini is awakend. I asked him is that so? Then was he jumping? He said he used to jump. I said it seems you wish to convert me in a frog (Mataji laughs). Instead of converting into a super human if someone wants to convert into a frog and some others say that people roar like lions etc.. We have given realizations to thousands of people around the globe – Colombia, Chile, Argentina, China, Russia etc. – I have travelled across all these regions. Besides these - Iran, Italy, all the countries in the Mediterranean regions – I have travelled across all of them as well. And so, we have given realization to many people at these places – but nowhere did we come across people who started jumping like frogs. Everything went off quite well. Some people may or may not have felt a little heat, but nobody suffered from any problem. Or we can say 99 out of hundred people, did not suffer from any problem. Sometimes only a light sensation of heat can be felt on the hand. Very light sensation. And some people say that all this is very difficult. But if a difficult task can be accomplished easily by me, then I too have some special capabilities. This cannot happen without capabilities. And I am getting recognition because it was difficult. Everyone must realize that some major task was to be accomplished and it was also destined to happen. That is why,” Instead of Mataji inventing, she knows something which she has brought for us. She loves us immensely and we have the right on her possession. That is why we are getting it and we must possess it because it is rightfully ours.” If you take this position then you may suffer from the issues of ego because the ego goes into head. Especially for people in the city and as Ahmadnagar happens to be a city, I have to speak with caution. But it is not the same for people from villages. And our people from Mumbai are even more special. Because Mumbaikar’s (people from Mumbai) have a different mid set. Delhikar (people from Delhi) feel that they are superior to all. Since they are in power, they think in very different way. But if they suffer from some disease then they come running to me. Our Honorable President sir was also suffering from cancer. That time I cured him in London. He knows this. He will not allow me to publish this in paper or allow me to tell others. He will not do anything since this is not an official matter. Likewise humans have lot many problems. Whatever it is, you should all realize that this belongs to our mother, to us and is our very own. One should not be very formal about this, it is very simple. Even if you come and sit on my head, it is all fine – because I am your mother, not your guru. But even then there has to be some respect. You should respect your mother and you should know this. If you get your Realization with that sense of respect in your heart, you will be surprised to realize – that all that you had been searching for in the past lives, all the good that you’ve earned in those lives, it has all been manifested in you today. But even so, after Realization humans need to work upon themselves. Because sometimes people who have been rescued and put on a boat still feel like they are drowning. And some of them collapse. So after Realization, you need to put a bit of effort and establish yourself in it. And as to how to do that, there is center out here in Ahmednagar where everything will be explained. And there are very simple methods which will cure many of your diseases. So if you have any illnesses, you can get those cured as well. My photo emits vibrations so that can also .be used for treatments.. And all these people are very wise and have done a lot of work in Sahaja Yoga. So I have no doubt about it. I am sure that someday there will be the largest number of Sahaja yogis in Ahmadnagar. I am very grateful to all of you for inviting me here and giving me so much love and respect. (Claps). So now, those who wish to get their Realization should stay back, and those who don’t should leave. We cannot force anyone here because the truth is not going to come and fall at your feet, it doesn’t need your votes. So those who want it should sit down with humility. Those who are meant to get it, will get it. To start with, all your physical problems will start disappearing as soon as the Kundalini starts rising. Day before yesterday, there was a man who came to our program in Wardha (in Maharashtra) who had a tumor in his brain. As soon as his Kundalini came up to that point, he started feeling very light – his tumor had gone away. So it can take only a moment. But that is not the case with everyone; I would like to tell you upfront. There was a lady in Rahuri (in Maharashtra) who was not able to hear. She said her ears are totally clogged. When I chanted one ‘Aham Sakshat Mantra’ in her ear, she could hear immediately. Some one had made her deaf by blowing in some mantra, and as it was extracted, she could hear again. So everything we are telling you is the truth. There are no lies here, because we don’t want anything from you. We only want to give. Those who want it should take it and if not, they can leave. I won’t be hurt or offended at all. But being a mother, there is always this feeling that everyone should be blessed and become prosperous, should be blessed and become prosperous. So now everyone sit down with your hands towards me.

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1979-02-25 Sahajyogyanshi Hitguj, Pune India Now as All Sahaja Yogis have assembled here, therefore it is a ‘hitguja’ and not a speech. The word ‘hitguja’ in Marathi language is so beautiful as it means whatever is beneficial for you or your atma is to be shared. And as it used to be said in early days ‘Satyam Vadet Priyam Vadet’ (Speak truth, speak what is liked). How to blend these two? If you speak the truth it is not liked and if you wish to speak what is liked, it may not necessarily be true. If you want to blend these, it is a difficult task. Lord Shri Krishna found a solution to this and said, “Satyam Vadet, Hitam Vadet and Priyam Vadet” means that which is beneficial for the atma, ‘Hita’ means atma’s contentment. Even if it is unpleasant, at the end it becomes pleasant and it is the truth. Imagine if tomorrow someone comes to Mr. Rajwade and he asks if some specific person is hiding here (taken refuge)? And if the person is wielding a dagger in his hand what should Mr Rajwade tell him? ‘that he is hiding is the truth’. Should he tell that the person is hiding here? Or if he tells this truth will it be appropriate, will it be beneficial? This is the question one faces. So the first thing is that this is an unauthorized gesture. If the dagger holder demands the whereabouts of the other person, then who is he to ask? And who is he to ask you? This is an unauthorized gesture. Hence you are not bound to respond to any unauthorized gesture as it will not be beneficial. One needs to have the right. It is similar in Sahaja Yoga. Even though I love you all absolutely and I heartily wish that all of you should be blessed by the Almighty in Sahaja Yoga and should enter the kingdom of Almighty. You have been given a big invitation, have been offered great hospitality, and have been invited with great affection. But this also becomes an unauthorized gesture. Hence it is not necessary that the unauthorized person will benefit from Sahaja Yoga . You need to have some right, even on your Mother. We have already garnered our rights. It is natural. ‘Sa’ means with us. ‘Ja’ means born with. These rights are born with us. The rights of this Yoga are born with us. But just as we lose our rights as a citizen when we enter an empire, similarly we have lost some rights. So they have to be established. It is my job to do this. As we saw in Pune yesterday, the Ganesha element (tatva) is very sad. It was not getting awakened at all. Now see! Virtue is the prasad form of Ganesha. Means it is Ganesha only who gives us virtue. The wealth of virtue that we have is in our Kundalini and that accumulation is all of Ganesha, that is, the understanding of the Ganesha element that we have is where that wealth is. So no matter how much virtue you have accumulated if the Ganesha element is not right, now the Ganesha has been spoiled in this place. You know who has spoilt it. So the atmosphere is so contaminated, that even your goodness cannot be comprehended by Ganesha. If you put milk in the dirt, even the swan doesn’t know how to separate the goodness of milk. This is the way it is. So you should completely oppose those who are contaminating the atmosphere. We have to oppose not only mentally but completely, that we do not want a man here who spoils our Ganesha element. If you feel neutral about it, it is your fault. Yesterday I awakened Ganesha with a lot of cajoling. That is, the Ganesha element is the last of all. This is a very tolerant element. It is very difficult to destroy it and it sits on the main root. It is also being damaged by them and all this is happening before your eyes. He doesn’t want felicitation, he doesn’t want anyone. If all Sahaja Yogis decide it will not take any time at all. The Ganesha element has deteriorated here in Pune. So see how big the blow it is on Sahaja Yoga. Then yesterday we awakened Ganesha in all of us by persuading and cajoling. When He awakened, many people got their self realization. Now you will say, ‘We didn’t go there, Mataji. We are opposed to him. We haven’t even seen his face, yet why is our Ganesha element deteriorating? ’ Whatever is in the well(environment) will surely come (affect you). So, the responsibility of the Ganesh element going bad is on the Sahaja Yogis here, this is the first thing to keep in mind. How to set it right? How to establish Ganesha? You should ask me all these things or these people know how to clean them. Ganesha should be invoked in every Sahaja Yogi. Not only this, but should be awakened and established. We really have some few people in whom Ganesha is fully awakened and it is by the Ganesha principle that we awaken the Kundalini. Because unless Ganesha says yes, Kundalini will not rise. The work of Kundalini will slow down where this element falls short. Even yesterday its effect was low. It needs the force of Ganesha principle. So, I would like to say to the Sahaja Yogis of Pune, that the element (principle) of Ganesha should be strengthened on our side. I will tell you how to do it because this is a communication for your benefit. The first thing is that it is a vow of holiness. So the defects that happen to Ganesha happen first from the eye. Ganesha has a direct relation with the eyes and this Ganesha element itself has disappeared from Pune. So in the middle of it where the optic nerves cross, there is the place of the agnya chakra and the agnya chakra is the representation of the Ganesha element. It is a manifestation. So, if Ganesh element itself has gone bad, then it must be remembered that eyes have seen something that is not desirable. One must first know that the Ganesha element is made up of the earth element. As you know, Gauri had created Ganesha by removing grime from the body. That is, Ganesha is made by vibrating the whole earth element. The earth element is very sacred and its power is to absorb. No other element is so strong in absorbing. Such is the earth element. Earth is my mother. She is your grandmother. So you have a strong dual relationship with her. Your grandmother, she can pull out all your faults, and place the Ganesha element in you. For that, you have to fix your eyes first. Always keep your gaze on the ground. You keep your gaze on the greenery or always walk on the greenery. In the morning if you walk on the dew, it gives comfort to the eyes. But the eyes should always be down. Again eye movements should not be done too much. Every time something happens you should not divert your attention this or that way. So think about what it could be and then slowly turn your eyes and see. People who have a lot of eye movement adversely affect their Ganesha element. It is part of flirting when we feel compelled to look at every woman. If we don’t look initially then we keep on turning our head to have a glimpse. These are some dirty practices that have emerged of late. When we were young, our brothers and others were warned to keep their eyes to the ground while walking. Even today people of those days are identified by the fact that they do not raise their necks and look here and there while walking. In the past such a person was called idiotic. Walking like an idiot looking here and there. The gaze should be kept down to the ground. We have the example of Lakshmana. Sita was his sister-in-law. Now we do banter and joke with our sister-in-law. Even while talking to her he used to look at her feet only. Never used to look up. So much respect he must have had. So the gaze should be at the feet. Do not look in the upward direction. If someone does speak and ask, then look up slowly with great respect and reverence. This movement of the eyes helps in Sahaja Yoga. You know our people from London. How deplorable their condition has become. How awkward their position has become. As soon as a few of them came here, you were in so much trouble. All of them are same there. I don’t understand why they need a guru. They have all the dirty knowledge that will teach this man hundred times. So they don’t have this (Ganesh Tatva). They have lost it completely. Even then they have worked on their earth element and have improved their situation. Secondly, stand on the earth element and pour water on the feet, raise both hands towards the sky or even taking my name will also work. So the earth absorbs through the water. You will be surprised you will feel very relieved. Also lying on the earth, greeting her, apologizing to her, ‘forgive us for touching you with our feet.’ With the awakening of the earth element, the Ganesha within us, which is the essence of the earth element, it is the principle of sustenance of the earth element meaning the complete flow on this earth it is all due to Ganesha. And this contemplation which we call as meditation is the manifestation of Shri Ganesha. Unless we have the perception, nothing can happen. So nothing can happen without first worshiping Shri Ganesha. All the eight Vinayakas (Ganesh occurrences) are in Maharashtra. How great this is. But even there, filth everywhere! Recently I had been to Ranjangaon Ganapati, the vibrations were very low! Very little! Though awakened last time. Went back again, apologized for everyone. I also become devotee for you, that ‘let it go, they don’t understand. You are very benevolent. So please awaken in them. What to say about you? You are a very pure principle, but these people do not understand anything. They are still ignorant. So please forgive them.’ There are dirty songs from movies blaring in front of Him. Now what to say to about this? This has a spurious connotation.. To create filth before God. So the demons come there. Use those demons. Pretend to be a hermit and say that we have renounced the world and then create filth. Behave in a manner that does not suit an ascetic. That is to say, from here, whatever element of celibacy (Sanyasatva) is there, that is the principle goes away. Once it goes, the demons arrive. In this way, demons establish their rule replacing the Almighty. So it should be noted that we have seen black shadows on my photos sometimes. Surprisingly, my awareness shifted from there! No, I am not there at all. Despite the photos. I mean, the photo depicts me in person, but a dark shadow creeps over it. The reason is that some unholy things happen in front of that photo or someone has accused me of something or something else. It is the same with me. Most of the time I am really good but suddenly I lose my attention. I simply cannot notice that. Means in spite of all my efforts to pay attention to a particular individual, I would not be able to connect. My mind will just drift away. People say, ‘He is such an important minister, Mataji, why don’t you consider!’ ‘But somehow, could not meet him. Whichever way, it was not possible.’ ” They are such important people, you should definitely meet them etc.. Etc.’ ‘it never could take place, somehow could not be aligned’. ‘I could never manage it. Something or the other reason.’ The Almighty’s awareness is also very holy. And a little bit ungodliness is tolerable. If a person is very fond of cleanliness and you tell him to stand in the dirt, will he stay? He won’t be bothered to combat with the dirt. Will go away from there. No, not at all. Such is the purity of the Ganesh element. Even though it tries to tolerate a lot, still His awareness withers away. So it is the express responsibility of the Sahaja Yogis here that they should establish the Ganesh element. This means that people purchase Ganesh Idol and install it at home for worshipping. But we cannot purchase the idol. Because the person from whom we purchased – what mindset he had while making it, did he have vibrations, from where did he bring the soil. He took money for that, he sold the Almighty. How deplorable. Can you sell the Almighty? How can we purchase the idol? Can you purchase me? People just say Mataji we have installed Ganapati at home. Need to see the idol, and its chakras. Need to examine the formulation. And there are few such idols, really very few. I have only one Ganapati idol. Only one. Once we had been to Sangli. One of my accomplished devotees made it with his own hands and that too is made of wood. And I suggested that it should be installed in cow dung. Its colour is like mud – Such is the beautiful Ganapati. This is one Ganapati I have seen – He is so wise, it has such strong vibrations. Once, in London, a gentleman came to see me. And he thought that he should first go upstairs and have the divine vision of Ganapati. So he went upstairs. And there he paid his respects to Ganapati. But it had no vibrations. He was terrified and taken aback. ‘ whats wrong with me? I was having such strong vibrations but after I came in front of the Ganapati there are no vibrations. What has happened?’ Eventually he started thinking what happened. So Ganapati also bestows wisdom on such people too. So he wisely realized ‘I have not yet paid my respects to Shri Mataji. So Ganapati did not appreciate this. Let me first go and pay my respects to Her.’ Because Ganapati does not need anything except Mother. He came down running and fell at my feet holding his ears. ‘Mataji, you were inside. Forgive me.’ And again went up and felt very strong vibrations. He also apologized to Him. Ganapati cannot think of even Lord Shiva without Mother. Cannot think at all. Knows only one principle – Mother and her power. That is why he is so great and is worshipped by all gods and goddesses. Shiva Shankar, I say comes at the last and is present forever. He too worships Shri Ganesha. Then what to say about others like Bramhadev and Vishnu. Maharashtra is blessed by Him. We know what Ganapati is. And we have Ganapati’s mention all the time and we also believe in Ganapati. It is very rare to find a Maharashtriyan (person who lives in Maharashtra) who does not know Ganapati. Hence Ganapati should be worshipped first properly and even I thought yesterday what should I tell Sahaja Yogis in Pune. Something new, special. So it this that purify your Ganesh (element), establish within yourself. Understand the Ganesh element. There was this gentleman from Sangli. His Ganesh Tatva (element) is very good. While his lever is a bit spoilt, his Ganesh element is very strong. I am very happy about it. Similarly we have our Dhumal Saheb. He stays in the village. Always connected to earth. So farmers have a tremendous inheritance that they always have Ganapati’s blessings. That is why I have started the work in villages first. Because it will happen easily there – wherever there are Ganapati devotees, it will happen first there. They do not sit for worshipping Ganapati but the Ganapati in them is awakened. More artificial the life becomes, the lesser is the awareness. So the first thing is that we set our Ganapati right. What all we need to do, what spiritual practice we should follow, this all you ask our other Sahaja Yogis. But if I could awaken Ganapati for the London Sahaja Yogis, then it has to happen with you, no doubt about it. After this how much the powers increase and how much force Kundalini gains, is something to be seen. So, after paying obeisance to such Ganapati, I proceed to tell you further about Sahaja Yoga. You know what Sahaja Yoga is. You know a lot. All people here are Sahaja Yogis so I need not tell them. Now there is a big question. The question was there even yesterday and it is there even today. Why does it happen so easily? But it is such a whimsical question. Now I speak through this mike. If there are any villagers here and if they have not seen a mike, they would wonder how this is possible that you speak there and it comes here. If any villager has not seen a light, if you call him inside the house and ask him to switch off the light he will just keep on blowing. ‘It is not going out, how to do it.’ Just like when you press the button here, and it gets illuminated there, he will be wonderstruck that how does this happen? Press the button there and it is illuminated here. It is a similar stupid question. Really very stupid. As we know when the sun rises in the sky, then chlorophyll gets developed in the plants. Due to this it gets a green colour. Where is the sun? Thousands of miles away. The moment it comes in the sky, this event takes place. If I ask you to give a green colour to the leaves, you will not be able to do it. Means you can pour it on the outside but will not be able to impart colour completely from inside and outside. How colossal the sun must be as he colours every leaf in the nature. But we are not at all surprised nor there any appreciation. In English this is termed as ‘taken for granted’ means this is bound to happen when the sun comes. How do the fruits grow in the world, overnight how do they happen? We do not wait for them. How do the trees grow up, nobody knows. There is no measure for this. How does the sun make it happen alone? How many types of powers his rays have. So the sun alone makes this happen, you see. Similarly if I can make this happen then this must be present in me too. At least this much must be imagined. On the contrary if you keep on saying how can these happen then what is this method of thinking? I call this a human method because God’s method is different. I call this a human method. It’s like you see from the opposite side and say how did you hang upside down? All of this is humorous. You observe everywhere that how do we ask such questions when you can see it happening. If you wish to see Kundalini I will show you. Will show its vibrations, its ascent, will show its rising up but still people will ask you such questions. Then what is to be done? How to argue with them? This is the question before Sahaja Yogis. ‘Shri Mataji, when they ask such questions, how to answer them?’ Think for a while that if they are little crazy, you can set them right. If they are absolutely crazy then you should leave them alone. You need not stress yourself for that. Why to become crazy like them? So be wise and say, ‘it’s ok, let’s see.’ and avoid. But it does not happen like that. A person feels that since he has got it, it must happen, whichever way it must be done. Then we cannot manage it. So first understand the simple alphabets and solve them. Pune has a lot of simple people. Lot of them. Most of them are simple. But the difficult ones speak more; the difficult ones want to be at the forefront. The difficult one would have his way. ‘We especially came here.’ So why did you come? Is this important to mention this? ‘Mataji we came specially.’ Actually they came for some other thing but drifted this way. They do come with a purpose, but to emphasize – ‘we took effort to come.’ It is not that you took special effort to come here. But still they maintain that they came specially. Hence I want to say that a person’s intellect is so superficial that there needs to be some way to pull him in. Now your attention is towards me. Say some one is arguing with you, he is speaking something. So how to make him silent? His attention which is roaming outside, how to bring it in? If you learn to explore this path then you could become an excellent Sahaja Yogi. If he starts speaking something, do not pay attention to it. Give him ‘Bandhan’ by hand or you can give it through your ‘chitta’ (awareness) and immediately focus on Kundalini. He is speaking on one side and you focus on Kundalini and it starts rising up – because we have Kundalini in our gaze itself. Once we focus on the chitta – you are astride the chitta, really you are astride the chitta – You just focus your attention on his Kundalini, don’t pay heed to what he says – as Kundalini starts rising you can see the chakras clearly. Where they are stuck, where it’s ok – this all comes through practice. Practise a little. Pay attention to everyone’s Kundalini and try to raise. When you are aboard a bus, or train, wherever you see people first see where the Kundalini is. Our London has a custom. To shake hands. It is terrible stuff. Means till they suck half a litre of your blood, they do not feel that they have shaken hands. This is how they ‘Shake’. Shake after drinking. But before drinking also they shake hands that is when I give them realization. When they shake hands, I give them awareness. Then they drink less. Slowly their drinking has reduced. And it is in my fate that I have to shake hands standing with 500 people. This happens every third or fourth day. Wherever 500 people go, goes my hand as well. Now this custom has emerged in a natural way. I will not be able to touch their Kundalini without shaking hands with them. For a moment, a person pauses too. It’s over once the hand shake is done. So we should focus on his Kundalini and raise the Kundalini. Immediately we will get to know through practice where the Kundalini is stuck. Immediately invoke the deity there. There is a science to it. One must understand it. Our London has a good arrangement for these people. What is the mantra for each chakra, what are their permutations combinations, what is disconnected and what is where, all this is extracted and all of it is written on paper and preserved in a folder by them. One folder is with these people. Make a folder like that. That is in English, you get it done in Marathi. Learn all that and remember. And when we need to do the task, it happens secretly. If you think that the person seems alright, if he has catch on 2-3 chakras then these could be resolved. However, you should give him realization. Do not speak too much after giving realization. He himself will feel that ‘we will come to meet you. How is everything.., this and that’? Move it very slowly because normally people have inquisitive mind. If you suddenly approach them, they will shy away. If you want to take away something from someone, how smoothly we extract it. We need to extract it the same way – Because it is very subtle. If you try to tell them something special, they get apprehensive. So Sahaja Yogis should keep in mind that it is very subtle and delicate work. The human is spoiled so much that it has become very difficult to seek his permission before experimenting on him. But you can give him realization without his permission. He cannot, however, get his self realization. To connect him with the Divine, we need his consent. We cannot have that authority. Due to realization, he may get good health, may become spiritually oriented but there is a difference between becoming aware and getting self realization (Connecting with the Divine). Even if Kundalini gets awakened but till it crosses the threshold and gets completely settled it does not stabilize. So to get him to this stage you need his consent. But if you have given him realization then it does not take time to reach this stage. And after they reach this stage, they can be made to get self realization. Still it must be understood that this is a very slow process. So you first consider such people who have faith in you and who respect you. – Because even otherwise this is the thing that one should give to this world, nothing else. What is the use if you call someone for meals at your place? I have seen such people who have done so much for this world – they felt that they have done this work or that work for the welfare of people; we have given so much money to the people. Have done so much good for them but people do not remember anything. If they again come in abject poverty to us, we will not entertain them at the doorstep. This is the mindset of people. Over here, so many people have made sacrifices for the country. You know how great Lal Bahadur Shastri was. Have you seen any monument in his name? Can you see it anywhere in his name? And there is no controversy about this. People have written books about others; people informed that their characters were not good. But nobody can say such things about him (Shastriji). He has accomplished so much in such a little time but have you seen any monument in his name. Sometime ago, when I saw his portrait I was surprised that how come it was there. People may have doubt whether he was actually a prime minister or not. So such things happen. What could be the reason? It needs the association of the atma. As Awakening happens from inside, it becomes like a soul from within and that is why it is remembered. Gradually this may fade off. But still we keep it alive. Now we should focus on the ten people whom we want to give self realization. Note their names once you come home. Should confirm that these look good. They should be religious, should not be very difficult people. Means drunkards, even they can get it but today this is not the time. Such people, who are religious, balanced, are positive, who are spiritually oriented and who are on this path- should focus on such 8-10 people and take effort on them. You will be surprised that if you take 10 persons at least 8 will get connected to Divine. If each person facilitates self realization for even 10 persons, you can understand how many will get their self realization. Then you should continuously look after them and nurture them. What is their status, how are they, are they catching, why are they catching negativity- Once you become self realized , you understand negativity , not before that. Even if a person gets mad, he would not realize that he is affected by negativity. Even if he dies after getting mad, still he would not understand. But Sahaja Yogis immediately understands that his agnya is affected. Catching agnya means something has stuck to you. You start suffering. Then immediately the hands start moving, to remove the agnya affliction. Because you start suffering automatically. The reason for this is that when you become superhuman – this is an important point, just note it down , it is important point as – when you became human, there are a lot of differences between you and the animal. The significant difference is that if you remove the animal from the filth, it will not feel any different, It can tolerate anything. But if you do such thing to a human, he will not want that. He needs slippers and if even if he is wearing slippers, he feels dirty. Would like to bathe. The human understands the concept of cleanliness. Similarly a human understands the cleanliness of atma. And after getting affected ‘I don’t want this catch, I need Sahaja Yoga. Remove this catch.’ And he suffers even if he gets affected slightly. And then the person removes it. That suffering is not so clearly evident, you get an indication only. Just like a barometer gives an indication. That this person has got a catch at this place. Once you remove it, he is relieved as well as yourself. See how funny it is. These people purchased kumkum (red powder) from the market. I did not know what kumkum this was. It started burning the moment I applied it on my forehead. I asked them to first remove it. It did not strike me as it was very crowded, I did not realize first when I was asked to touch it. Again I got distracted. Then I took the kumkum and vibrated it. I told Mr. Rajwade that ‘get the Kumkum from your place, it is good. The one you got last year was good.’ Such minute things are noticed. So everything gets vibrated. Vibration means Omkar only. This is the Pranav (the total form) of Omkar. Pranav means pulsation, the total holiness. This holiness is love that communicates, we become aware of everything. As we get connected to the computer and the computer tells, similarly this computer, created by the Almighty, tells us every minute detail. We must understand from it. In the third stage, some people become very religious. Now the gentleman from yesterday revers Lord Mahadeva. And he has a catch on heart. How is this possible? Heart is the location of Mahadeva and Mahadeva is upset with him. How can this happen? People ask “ Mataji, we so ardently worshipped Lord Mahadeva , then how did we suffer from a heart attack?”. People say this does not fit. It’s not wrong, but there was no connection. Now how can such a person, who has worshipped Mahadeva ask Mataji “Shri Mataji, are you the power of Lord Mahadeva?” So as a response, you will get vibrations on your hand. Because it is true. If you ask me a question, I would say yes, it is like that only. What to do? I am what I am. How can I relinquish what I am? If someone is some special being, does he feel proud about it? That person feels proud who does not have it. If someone has it, what is there to feel proud about? Now you have fingers, nose, you are humans – are you proud of it? My case is something similar. Means whatever I have is there. What can I do about it? Now Mr. Pradhan is our old trustee, but he got affected. I told him yesterday not to go on fast on Mahashivaratri day. While he did ask me, he went on fast. One should not keep fast in front of me. I feel very sad. You trouble your mother when you fast. We should fast only on Narak Chaturdashi day. Means sleep for a long time, do not take bath. That’s the day when the door to hell opens. If on that day you get up at 4 o’clock and have eats, the demons barge in. Some things have been planned so erroneously, so erroneously that it is surprising. Now another case, regarding Ganapati. This person had issue with his prostrate and he used to fast on Ganesh Chaturthi day. He visited me on Chaturthi and he had prostrate trouble. I could not fathom why this person, a Ganapati personified, had prostrate issue. Because Ganapati controls prostrate etc.. See how Sahaja Yoga is? The day of Chaturthi, same day he did fast and came to me on the same day. The whole situation was in the fore. This is the sign of Sahaja Yoga. My Prasad is that of Chana (kind of pulse), I took some and said take this Prasad. He would not say anything. But the person standing next to him said, ‘Mataji, today he is on fast’. I said, ‘What is the fast for?’ He said ‘It’s Chaturthi today.’ I said ‘Is that so? If a son is born in your house, will you fast on that day? What sort of propriety is this?’ To fast on the day of someone’s birth is a concept I could never fathom till date. If a child is born in your house, will you follow a period of abstention? That is why it has been mentioned that one should not keep fasts. Because the principle of fasting becomes so faulty, it has gone so wrong; I don’t understand what to tell these people. I am not saying you should just keep on eating. The people who fast are obsessed with eating, I am troubled so much with this. They fast for namesake but their entire attention is on eating. Means ‘what is menu today’ is their first question in the morning even before they bow to Ganapati. The reason is that we are fasting today. They need to create great commotion in the house. To fast means there has to be some special menu. Bring this, must eat this. It should happen this way, must eat these things. Means, what is all this? If fasting is suggested by somebody, I don’t know if it was indeed prescribed – it was suggested only for the reason that you should be in the proximity of the Almighty. There should be no emphasis on eating. If you start emphasizing on eating then your proximity with the Almighty..Now we have to go for meals , have to go there, now this is our program, etc… these thoughts will come in your mind. So to fast on that day means ‘To be completely in the proximity of the Divine.’ Actually this fasting. ‘Upavas’(fasting) means having close companionship of the Almighty’ . This is the real meaning as given in Sanskrit. And it logically meant that one should fast. But there is another interesting word ‘Upasana ‘. To perform upasana (to worship) means ‘upas-na’ (fast-no) . So this fasting should be avoided to some extent. But the dialogue continues – Today it is Ekadashi, so what should be brought? Then it needs this thing, needs grated fried potato, want this, need khichadi (made of sago), need peanuts, need shingade (chestnut). Now Shingades have become costly today. Why, because it is Ekadashi. The element of human is so important, so great, so superior, made with such great effort and where is it going, where are you taking it? The attention is to be placed at the Almighty’s feet and you are placing it on the peanuts. Are you going to get connected with God by eating peanuts? I don’t understand how this is acceptable to the human intellect. This religious fanaticism has given such adverse results that it has given rise to another outcome. Your kids will term you as mental cases. In the second generation you will see kid saying ‘our parents are completely off their rockers (mad). The Brahmins have fleeced them and the fasts have killed them. They did this.’ Nobody will have faith in God. If you escape this then you may become an unbeliever. God is there. Not only that, his all encompassing power is doing all the work. No doubt about it. One must understand it, one must become aware of it, like I said yesterday, and we enhance our contemplation with the help of Sahaja Yoga. Now what he says is right. We have quite a few such people who did not know the ABC of giving a speech. Just timid people. If they do speak, actually Goddess Saraswati flows through them. There was an eight year old girl. She started speaking so well. In London there is a boy aged 8-10 years. He delivers such a beautiful discourse on Sahaja Yoga, people get surprised. How can one know so much? I can tell about my granddaughter. She must be around 5 years that time. They had gone to Ladakh. There was a Lama person sitting there. He was decked in his grand attire and my granddaughters were speaking in Hindi. So everyone paid respects by bowing at his feet. The moment her parents bowed down, she did not appreciate it as they themselves were accomplished Sahaja Yogis. So she stood in front of him and said, “Wearing this long gown and shaving your head does not let you become a realized soul, so why do you accept obeisance from others when you are not connected to God.” She said frankly, just like Kabir. Kabir has thrashed such matters so badly. One must read Kabir to get strength. He says that if by shaving your head you meet the Divine, then the goat and sheep get shaved every day, these must be close to God. He has thus reprimanded all such people, the people who wear long gowns and call themselves Sanyasis (hermits, saints). Another granddaughter of mine, she is slightly elder to this girl. Once I was invited as a chief guest to a program of Raman Maharshi. There were quite a few well known Sanyasis sitting there. There was this gentleman sitting next to me. He is considered to be a very accomplished person. My granddaughter saw this and could not tolerate. She stood up and said,” Granny, the person who is wearing a maxi and sitting next to you, drive him away as I am getting lot of heat.” And she straightway got up and said this. And there were lot of Sahaja Yogis sitting there. They started laughing as they were also feeling the heat. The person looked around to see who is wearing a maxi. He did not realize that he was the object. So such power emanates from within that a person starts speaking only the truth, does not feel afraid. As he is standing on truth. Now look at the life of Christ. How pure it is! But a prostitute, people are throwing stones at her. What is His relation to the prostitute, He was Divinity personified. But when people started throwing stones at a woman, considering her as an evil person, a prostitute, he said that who so ever has not committed any sin should cast the stone and that too at me. And everybody stopped where they were. ‘If you think that you have not committed any sin, you hurt her.’ Later on she became his great disciple. She was Mary Magdalene, His great devotee. But these people have started emulating her. I do not understand the human brain. The English brain is a notch superior. I asked them why people behave in such a stupid manner. They responded, Mary Magdalene was a prostitute and she got liberated hence we all became prostitutes.” They tell me like this, what should I say? “If she would not have become a prostitute, she would not have been liberated. Hence we are also following the same path.” Now what should be the response to this? That we are standing behind a donkey. We know it is a donkey. There are a lot of such idiotic things over there. Even after being so educated and considering themselves as advanced people, I discern only such donkeys. Now I have no hesitation to tell you that an eighty year old person writes a love letter to an eighteen year old girl. There may be one such idiot writing this, but it is flashed on the front page of the news paper. Columns after column. My husband used to say, read this “geeta” after waking up in the morning. And the people diligently read this seriously. Means all of them must be stupid people. I don’t understand how they read such stuff? And this is very common out there. An eighty year old woman writes a love letter to a eighteen year old boy. Have you heard such thing anywhere? Means what is this matter? We have seen donkeys but even a donkey would feel ashamed. Why to say donkey. Donkey is quite a good animal. Sometimes I feel, that Christ rode over a donkey, don’t know if these people were those donkeys? Such filthy matters. These people who have come here are not as difficult as we see there. Eighty years old people, who do not have a common sense, no concept of elderliness, what we call as maturity is also not there, means what is this? What sort of advancement is this? Some of the questions that I mentioned are related to science. Because people over here have started thinking that “we have become scientific etc…”. People who have become very scientific have also come here along with us. It is my wish that, of those, we should converse with a few of them and they should speak with us. You meet them, talk with them – means if you have any questions just ask me , I will answer them, then you talk to them. This way you will get an idea as to where that thing called science has reached. So now you could ask me questions. You could ask me any questions. Ask those questions related to the obstacles you face in Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yogis should pose questions. So that I can understand, what you problems are? What are your obstacles? Or if the question is how to explain people, you could ask me. Regarding Kundalini or about anything. Now this person has asked about”Jalandhar Yoga etc…” Listen to that. There is some confusion in this; you will be surprised if I tell you. The Jalandhar Bandha is part of the chakra and it means a knot. This knot completely opens up and then it secures Kundalini tightly – this is the meaning. This deals with Nabhi Chakra. When Kundalini starts rising – imagine when anything starts climbing up, it is a difficult task, isn’t it? Going downwards is easy, going up is difficult – To raise the Kundalini for an impact- whatever ardent desire , whatever is the knot that is formed by the chakras- the chakra tightens itself – so that the Kundalini that has risen up should not slip down – Jalandhar Yoga is for this purpose. ‘Khecheri’ is also a similar concept. Having arrived at the Vishuddhi chakra, when the Kundalini starts rising further, that time Vishuddhi Chakra holds her and sustains her so that she should not slip down. That’s fine. It happens. That time the tongue will get pulled inside for sure. As the complete awareness has gone inwards, it forms a knot. You don’t realize this. As it is very ‘sukshma’ (subtle, minute), you do not realize what all has happened inside. Only your awareness rushes towards Kundalini. – Because you attention gets pulled inside. This is a very subtle event. Your awareness also becomes subtle. So these events happen inside us that time. Suppose this electricity starts from here and then how does it roam inside and become a loud speaker. It is similar to this. Means this is a subtle event happening inside. This all happens inside us. What is written here has a meaning. This is penned by Shri Dnyaneshwar (a great saint). But what people infer, that if we sit like this, it creates Jalandhar Bandha, is incorrect. You cannot do it. It just happens. See the vast difference here. It is natural, happens inside. Now if I hold the hand like this, will it become a microphone? If you say ‘I became the governor’, will you become one? Does it happen like this? Will anyone believe it? At the most they will put you in an asylum. A person yells ‘I am the governor’ or even ride car while doing this – People will say ‘put all of them in the asylum.’ The authorities that are tied to these things which are subtle and these authorities are subtle and they exercise these themselves. This cannot be done by you. That is why it is called Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is the very best. It is the most superior and hence it is a ‘Maha Yoga’ ( ‘ Great Yoga’). Sahaja Yoga means everything. Nothing happens that is difficult. If you banish the thought that you are doing something then it makes sense. You only put on the switch. Rest all happens by itself. It is inbuilt in the electricity that it has to flow this way. Once it is connected, there has to be light. If it goes through such circle, it has to become a mike. If it goes through that circle, it has to become a fan. This is the principle of electricity. Similarly Kundalini and the contraption of the Sushumna Nadi and whatever else is situated in you, has its own associated principle. And when Shri Dnyaneshwar explained how this principle functions “that we can do.” If you say that we can light a lamp by touching here, then the lights will certainly get on. They should try this and if once the light gets on then they can write in a book what how painful the quest of Kundalini is. Means people will feel how cool it is. If these people have suffered so much, how much it should be for us. Now this gentleman, he has written that,” my Kundalini is awakened”. Means a self certification. “and because of that I felt as if a scorpion has bit me. I suffered a lot. I had blisters on my body. Felt very hot from inside, my head started spinning. My condition deteriorated. Then I asked people. They said your Kundalini is awakened.” Must have visited some guru. Must have tried some silly things and due to unauthorized gesture he got the whiplash from Shri Ganesha. He felt it on the sympathetic. So people like such books very much. Means a person is troubling oneself with all his might. If you have suffered so much why do you pursue it? Yesterday I told you that Kundalini is your Mother and how lovingly a mother looks after her kids. Just think why will she trouble you? Just think about it. So a person who has read such material would think that he is not awakened. – Because according to that he should jump like frog or he should at least be bitten by a scorpion or he should feel the smell of bedbugs – these are some matters given in the material. But one thing is true. When the Kundalini awakens, then we have some other experiences as well. But these experiences should not be taken seriously. – Because if the Kundalini gets pushed more to the right side, you will see light. Don’t consider this as special. If you are right at the centre, you will not see anything. It is followed by fragrance. Because earth is your mother, her essence is fragrance. The earth is made up of fragrance. And as she is the mother, whenever you remember me, you will experience fragrance. Fragrance is the expression of my body. People experience different types of fragrances. Some say “Shri Mataji yesterday we experienced the copious fragrance of Guggul ( deva-dhoop) in the room”. Actually this person is moving around like a God man. He cannot tolerate any fragrance. God loves fragrance. What sort of God man is this? He is dirt loving. How can he be the incarnation of God? So if a person experiences fragrance, a person should go beyond the fragrance itself. A person may get carried away by this. May see light as well. Everything is there. But when you start seeing light, there is no doubt that the agnya chakra has been opened. You will also see black spots in that light. Those are catches. They may be in you, someone else, or in the atmosphere. How to remove them etc etc. the observation of the light – first get the Kundalini stabilized – what I mean to say is first reach Delhi and after reaching know what Delhi is- . So you understand it later, the types of lights, what happens due to this flame, all minute details – till you see the vibrations, see their circles, their movement- these you should see afterwards. If you see a little of this in the beginning and if you get engrossed in that, then you have lost it. Means this mind is like a horse, you should get astride it. If the horse knows that you wish to eat the grass on the way, then it takes you to the grass. But if he understands that you wish to reach your goal, then it will be fully in your control. But it should know that this person is a horse rider. But if the horse comes to know that you cannot ride a horse then it starts bothering you. You must be able to sit on that horse so that he becomes your friend, your carrier. So imagining your Chitta to be a horse, you should continuously tell it tersely that he needs to take you to your final goal, will not accept you taking me anywhere else. Then he will take you to the ultimate pride of place that is moksha.

1979-02-25 Sahajyogyanshi Hitguj, Pune India Now as All Sahaja Yogis have assembled here, therefore it is a ‘hitguja’ and not a speech. The word ‘hitguja’ in Marathi language is so beautiful as it means whatever is beneficial for you or your atma is to be shared. And as it used to be said in early days ‘Satyam Vadet Priyam Vadet’ (Speak truth, speak what is liked). How to blend these two? If you speak the truth it is not liked and if you wish to speak what is liked, it may not necessarily be true. If you want to blend these, it is a difficult task. Lord Shri Krishna found a solution to this and said, “Satyam Vadet, Hitam Vadet and Priyam Vadet” means that which is beneficial for the atma, ‘Hita’ means atma’s contentment. Even if it is unpleasant, at the end it becomes pleasant and it is the truth. Imagine if tomorrow someone comes to Mr. Rajwade and he asks if some specific person is hiding here (taken refuge)? And if the person is wielding a dagger in his hand what should Mr Rajwade tell him? ‘that he is hiding is the truth’. Should he tell that the person is hiding here? Or if he tells this truth will it be appropriate, will it be beneficial? This is the question one faces. So the first thing is that this is an unauthorized gesture. If the dagger holder demands the whereabouts of the other person, then who is he to ask? And who is he to ask you? This is an unauthorized gesture. Hence you are not bound to respond to any unauthorized gesture as it will not be beneficial. One needs to have the right. It is similar in Sahaja Yoga. Even though I love you all absolutely and I heartily wish that all of you should be blessed by the Almighty in Sahaja Yoga and should enter the kingdom of Almighty. You have been given a big invitation, have been offered great hospitality, and have been invited with great affection. But this also becomes an unauthorized gesture. Hence it is not necessary that the unauthorized person will benefit from Sahaja Yoga . You need to have some right, even on your Mother. We have already garnered our rights. It is natural. ‘Sa’ means with us. ‘Ja’ means born with. These rights are born with us. The rights of this Yoga are born with us. But just as we lose our rights as a citizen when we enter an empire, similarly we have lost some rights. So they have to be established. It is my job to do this. As we saw in Pune yesterday, the Ganesha element (tatva) is very sad. It was not getting awakened at all. Now see! Virtue is the prasad form of Ganesha. Means it is Ganesha only who gives us virtue. The wealth of virtue that we have is in our Kundalini and that accumulation is all of Ganesha, that is, the understanding of the Ganesha element that we have is where that wealth is. So no matter how much virtue you have accumulated if the Ganesha element is not right, now the Ganesha has been spoiled in this place. You know who has spoilt it. So the atmosphere is so contaminated, that even your goodness cannot be comprehended by Ganesha. If you put milk in the dirt, even the swan doesn’t know how to separate the goodness of milk. This is the way it is. So you should completely oppose those who are contaminating the atmosphere. We have to oppose not only mentally but completely, that we do not want a man here who spoils our Ganesha element. If you feel neutral about it, it is your fault. Yesterday I awakened Ganesha with a lot of cajoling. That is, the Ganesha element is the last of all. This is a very tolerant element. It is very difficult to destroy it and it sits on the main root. It is also being damaged by them and all this is happening before your eyes. He doesn’t want felicitation, he doesn’t want anyone. If all Sahaja Yogis decide it will not take any time at all. The Ganesha element has deteriorated here in Pune. So see how big the blow it is on Sahaja Yoga. Then yesterday we awakened Ganesha in all of us by persuading and cajoling. When He awakened, many people got their self realization. Now you will say, ‘We didn’t go there, Mataji. We are opposed to him. We haven’t even seen his face, yet why is our Ganesha element deteriorating? ’ Whatever is in the well(environment) will surely come (affect you). So, the responsibility of the Ganesh element going bad is on the Sahaja Yogis here, this is the first thing to keep in mind. How to set it right? How to establish Ganesha? You should ask me all these things or these people know how to clean them. Ganesha should be invoked in every Sahaja Yogi. Not only this, but should be awakened and established. We really have some few people in whom Ganesha is fully awakened and it is by the Ganesha principle that we awaken the Kundalini. Because unless Ganesha says yes, Kundalini will not rise. The work of Kundalini will slow down where this element falls short. Even yesterday its effect was low. It needs the force of Ganesha principle. So, I would like to say to the Sahaja Yogis of Pune, that the element (principle) of Ganesha should be strengthened on our side. I will tell you how to do it because this is a communication for your benefit. The first thing is that it is a vow of holiness. So the defects that happen to Ganesha happen first from the eye. Ganesha has a direct relation with the eyes and this Ganesha element itself has disappeared from Pune. So in the middle of it where the optic nerves cross, there is the place of the agnya chakra and the agnya chakra is the representation of the Ganesha element. It is a manifestation. So, if Ganesh element itself has gone bad, then it must be remembered that eyes have seen something that is not desirable. One must first know that the Ganesha element is made up of the earth element. As you know, Gauri had created Ganesha by removing grime from the body. That is, Ganesha is made by vibrating the whole earth element. The earth element is very sacred and its power is to absorb. No other element is so strong in absorbing. Such is the earth element. Earth is my mother. She is your grandmother. So you have a strong dual relationship with her. Your grandmother, she can pull out all your faults, and place the Ganesha element in you. For that, you have to fix your eyes first. Always keep your gaze on the ground. You keep your gaze on the greenery or always walk on the greenery. In the morning if you walk on the dew, it gives comfort to the eyes. But the eyes should always be down. Again eye movements should not be done too much. Every time something happens you should not divert your attention this or that way. So think about what it could be and then slowly turn your eyes and see. People who have a lot of eye movement adversely affect their Ganesha element. It is part of flirting when we feel compelled to look at every woman. If we don’t look initially then we keep on turning our head to have a glimpse. These are some dirty practices that have emerged of late. When we were young, our brothers and others were warned to keep their eyes to the ground while walking. Even today people of those days are identified by the fact that they do not raise their necks and look here and there while walking. In the past such a person was called idiotic. Walking like an idiot looking here and there. The gaze should be kept down to the ground. We have the example of Lakshmana. Sita was his sister-in-law. Now we do banter and joke with our sister-in-law. Even while talking to her he used to look at her feet only. Never used to look up. So much respect he must have had. So the gaze should be at the feet. Do not look in the upward direction. If someone does speak and ask, then look up slowly with great respect and reverence. This movement of the eyes helps in Sahaja Yoga. You know our people from London. How deplorable their condition has become. How awkward their position has become. As soon as a few of them came here, you were in so much trouble. All of them are same there. I don’t understand why they need a guru. They have all the dirty knowledge that will teach this man hundred times. So they don’t have this (Ganesh Tatva). They have lost it completely. Even then they have worked on their earth element and have improved their situation. Secondly, stand on the earth element and pour water on the feet, raise both hands towards the sky or even taking my name will also work. So the earth absorbs through the water. You will be surprised you will feel very relieved. Also lying on the earth, greeting her, apologizing to her, ‘forgive us for touching you with our feet.’ With the awakening of the earth element, the Ganesha within us, which is the essence of the earth element, it is the principle of sustenance of the earth element meaning the complete flow on this earth it is all due to Ganesha. And this contemplation which we call as meditation is the manifestation of Shri Ganesha. Unless we have the perception, nothing can happen. So nothing can happen without first worshiping Shri Ganesha. All the eight Vinayakas (Ganesh occurrences) are in Maharashtra. How great this is. But even there, filth everywhere! Recently I had been to Ranjangaon Ganapati, the vibrations were very low! Very little! Though awakened last time. Went back again, apologized for everyone. I also become devotee for you, that ‘let it go, they don’t understand. You are very benevolent. So please awaken in them. What to say about you? You are a very pure principle, but these people do not understand anything. They are still ignorant. So please forgive them.’ There are dirty songs from movies blaring in front of Him. Now what to say to about this? This has a spurious connotation.. To create filth before God. So the demons come there. Use those demons. Pretend to be a hermit and say that we have renounced the world and then create filth. Behave in a manner that does not suit an ascetic. That is to say, from here, whatever element of celibacy (Sanyasatva) is there, that is the principle goes away. Once it goes, the demons arrive. In this way, demons establish their rule replacing the Almighty. So it should be noted that we have seen black shadows on my photos sometimes. Surprisingly, my awareness shifted from there! No, I am not there at all. Despite the photos. I mean, the photo depicts me in person, but a dark shadow creeps over it. The reason is that some unholy things happen in front of that photo or someone has accused me of something or something else. It is the same with me. Most of the time I am really good but suddenly I lose my attention. I simply cannot notice that. Means in spite of all my efforts to pay attention to a particular individual, I would not be able to connect. My mind will just drift away. People say, ‘He is such an important minister, Mataji, why don’t you consider!’ ‘But somehow, could not meet him. Whichever way, it was not possible.’ ” They are such important people, you should definitely meet them etc.. Etc.’ ‘it never could take place, somehow could not be aligned’. ‘I could never manage it. Something or the other reason.’ The Almighty’s awareness is also very holy. And a little bit ungodliness is tolerable. If a person is very fond of cleanliness and you tell him to stand in the dirt, will he stay? He won’t be bothered to combat with the dirt. Will go away from there. No, not at all. Such is the purity of the Ganesh element. Even though it tries to tolerate a lot, still His awareness withers away. So it is the express responsibility of the Sahaja Yogis here that they should establish the Ganesh element. This means that people purchase Ganesh Idol and install it at home for worshipping. But we cannot purchase the idol. Because the person from whom we purchased – what mindset he had while making it, did he have vibrations, from where did he bring the soil. He took money for that, he sold the Almighty. How deplorable. Can you sell the Almighty? How can we purchase the idol? Can you purchase me? People just say Mataji we have installed Ganapati at home. Need to see the idol, and its chakras. Need to examine the formulation. And there are few such idols, really very few. I have only one Ganapati idol. Only one. Once we had been to Sangli. One of my accomplished devotees made it with his own hands and that too is made of wood. And I suggested that it should be installed in cow dung. Its colour is like mud – Such is the beautiful Ganapati. This is one Ganapati I have seen – He is so wise, it has such strong vibrations. Once, in London, a gentleman came to see me. And he thought that he should first go upstairs and have the divine vision of Ganapati. So he went upstairs. And there he paid his respects to Ganapati. But it had no vibrations. He was terrified and taken aback. ‘ whats wrong with me? I was having such strong vibrations but after I came in front of the Ganapati there are no vibrations. What has happened?’ Eventually he started thinking what happened. So Ganapati also bestows wisdom on such people too. So he wisely realized ‘I have not yet paid my respects to Shri Mataji. So Ganapati did not appreciate this. Let me first go and pay my respects to Her.’ Because Ganapati does not need anything except Mother. He came down running and fell at my feet holding his ears. ‘Mataji, you were inside. Forgive me.’ And again went up and felt very strong vibrations. He also apologized to Him. Ganapati cannot think of even Lord Shiva without Mother. Cannot think at all. Knows only one principle – Mother and her power. That is why he is so great and is worshipped by all gods and goddesses. Shiva Shankar, I say comes at the last and is present forever. He too worships Shri Ganesha. Then what to say about others like Bramhadev and Vishnu. Maharashtra is blessed by Him. We know what Ganapati is. And we have Ganapati’s mention all the time and we also believe in Ganapati. It is very rare to find a Maharashtriyan (person who lives in Maharashtra) who does not know Ganapati. Hence Ganapati should be worshipped first properly and even I thought yesterday what should I tell Sahaja Yogis in Pune. Something new, special. So it this that purify your Ganesh (element), establish within yourself. Understand the Ganesh element. There was this gentleman from Sangli. His Ganesh Tatva (element) is very good. While his lever is a bit spoilt, his Ganesh element is very strong. I am very happy about it. Similarly we have our Dhumal Saheb. He stays in the village. Always connected to earth. So farmers have a tremendous inheritance that they always have Ganapati’s blessings. That is why I have started the work in villages first. Because it will happen easily there – wherever there are Ganapati devotees, it will happen first there. They do not sit for worshipping Ganapati but the Ganapati in them is awakened. More artificial the life becomes, the lesser is the awareness. So the first thing is that we set our Ganapati right. What all we need to do, what spiritual practice we should follow, this all you ask our other Sahaja Yogis. But if I could awaken Ganapati for the London Sahaja Yogis, then it has to happen with you, no doubt about it. After this how much the powers increase and how much force Kundalini gains, is something to be seen. So, after paying obeisance to such Ganapati, I proceed to tell you further about Sahaja Yoga. You know what Sahaja Yoga is. You know a lot. All people here are Sahaja Yogis so I need not tell them. Now there is a big question. The question was there even yesterday and it is there even today. Why does it happen so easily? But it is such a whimsical question. Now I speak through this mike. If there are any villagers here and if they have not seen a mike, they would wonder how this is possible that you speak there and it comes here. If any villager has not seen a light, if you call him inside the house and ask him to switch off the light he will just keep on blowing. ‘It is not going out, how to do it.’ Just like when you press the button here, and it gets illuminated there, he will be wonderstruck that how does this happen? Press the button there and it is illuminated here. It is a similar stupid question. Really very stupid. As we know when the sun rises in the sky, then chlorophyll gets developed in the plants. Due to this it gets a green colour. Where is the sun? Thousands of miles away. The moment it comes in the sky, this event takes place. If I ask you to give a green colour to the leaves, you will not be able to do it. Means you can pour it on the outside but will not be able to impart colour completely from inside and outside. How colossal the sun must be as he colours every leaf in the nature. But we are not at all surprised nor there any appreciation. In English this is termed as ‘taken for granted’ means this is bound to happen when the sun comes. How do the fruits grow in the world, overnight how do they happen? We do not wait for them. How do the trees grow up, nobody knows. There is no measure for this. How does the sun make it happen alone? How many types of powers his rays have. So the sun alone makes this happen, you see. Similarly if I can make this happen then this must be present in me too. At least this much must be imagined. On the contrary if you keep on saying how can these happen then what is this method of thinking? I call this a human method because God’s method is different. I call this a human method. It’s like you see from the opposite side and say how did you hang upside down? All of this is humorous. You observe everywhere that how do we ask such questions when you can see it happening. If you wish to see Kundalini I will show you. Will show its vibrations, its ascent, will show its rising up but still people will ask you such questions. Then what is to be done? How to argue with them? This is the question before Sahaja Yogis. ‘Shri Mataji, when they ask such questions, how to answer them?’ Think for a while that if they are little crazy, you can set them right. If they are absolutely crazy then you should leave them alone. You need not stress yourself for that. Why to become crazy like them? So be wise and say, ‘it’s ok, let’s see.’ and avoid. But it does not happen like that. A person feels that since he has got it, it must happen, whichever way it must be done. Then we cannot manage it. So first understand the simple alphabets and solve them. Pune has a lot of simple people. Lot of them. Most of them are simple. But the difficult ones speak more; the difficult ones want to be at the forefront. The difficult one would have his way. ‘We especially came here.’ So why did you come? Is this important to mention this? ‘Mataji we came specially.’ Actually they came for some other thing but drifted this way. They do come with a purpose, but to emphasize – ‘we took effort to come.’ It is not that you took special effort to come here. But still they maintain that they came specially. Hence I want to say that a person’s intellect is so superficial that there needs to be some way to pull him in. Now your attention is towards me. Say some one is arguing with you, he is speaking something. So how to make him silent? His attention which is roaming outside, how to bring it in? If you learn to explore this path then you could become an excellent Sahaja Yogi. If he starts speaking something, do not pay attention to it. Give him ‘Bandhan’ by hand or you can give it through your ‘chitta’ (awareness) and immediately focus on Kundalini. He is speaking on one side and you focus on Kundalini and it starts rising up – because we have Kundalini in our gaze itself. Once we focus on the chitta – you are astride the chitta, really you are astride the chitta – You just focus your attention on his Kundalini, don’t pay heed to what he says – as Kundalini starts rising you can see the chakras clearly. Where they are stuck, where it’s ok – this all comes through practice. Practise a little. Pay attention to everyone’s Kundalini and try to raise. When you are aboard a bus, or train, wherever you see people first see where the Kundalini is. Our London has a custom. To shake hands. It is terrible stuff. Means till they suck half a litre of your blood, they do not feel that they have shaken hands. This is how they ‘Shake’. Shake after drinking. But before drinking also they shake hands that is when I give them realization. When they shake hands, I give them awareness. Then they drink less. Slowly their drinking has reduced. And it is in my fate that I have to shake hands standing with 500 people. This happens every third or fourth day. Wherever 500 people go, goes my hand as well. Now this custom has emerged in a natural way. I will not be able to touch their Kundalini without shaking hands with them. For a moment, a person pauses too. It’s over once the hand shake is done. So we should focus on his Kundalini and raise the Kundalini. Immediately we will get to know through practice where the Kundalini is stuck. Immediately invoke the deity there. There is a science to it. One must understand it. Our London has a good arrangement for these people. What is the mantra for each chakra, what are their permutations combinations, what is disconnected and what is where, all this is extracted and all of it is written on paper and preserved in a folder by them. One folder is with these people. Make a folder like that. That is in English, you get it done in Marathi. Learn all that and remember. And when we need to do the task, it happens secretly. If you think that the person seems alright, if he has catch on 2-3 chakras then these could be resolved. However, you should give him realization. Do not speak too much after giving realization. He himself will feel that ‘we will come to meet you. How is everything.., this and that’? Move it very slowly because normally people have inquisitive mind. If you suddenly approach them, they will shy away. If you want to take away something from someone, how smoothly we extract it. We need to extract it the same way – Because it is very subtle. If you try to tell them something special, they get apprehensive. So Sahaja Yogis should keep in mind that it is very subtle and delicate work. The human is spoiled so much that it has become very difficult to seek his permission before experimenting on him. But you can give him realization without his permission. He cannot, however, get his self realization. To connect him with the Divine, we need his consent. We cannot have that authority. Due to realization, he may get good health, may become spiritually oriented but there is a difference between becoming aware and getting self realization (Connecting with the Divine). Even if Kundalini gets awakened but till it crosses the threshold and gets completely settled it does not stabilize. So to get him to this stage you need his consent. But if you have given him realization then it does not take time to reach this stage. And after they reach this stage, they can be made to get self realization. Still it must be understood that this is a very slow process. So you first consider such people who have faith in you and who respect you. – Because even otherwise this is the thing that one should give to this world, nothing else. What is the use if you call someone for meals at your place? I have seen such people who have done so much for this world – they felt that they have done this work or that work for the welfare of people; we have given so much money to the people. Have done so much good for them but people do not remember anything. If they again come in abject poverty to us, we will not entertain them at the doorstep. This is the mindset of people. Over here, so many people have made sacrifices for the country. You know how great Lal Bahadur Shastri was. Have you seen any monument in his name? Can you see it anywhere in his name? And there is no controversy about this. People have written books about others; people informed that their characters were not good. But nobody can say such things about him (Shastriji). He has accomplished so much in such a little time but have you seen any monument in his name. Sometime ago, when I saw his portrait I was surprised that how come it was there. People may have doubt whether he was actually a prime minister or not. So such things happen. What could be the reason? It needs the association of the atma. As Awakening happens from inside, it becomes like a soul from within and that is why it is remembered. Gradually this may fade off. But still we keep it alive. Now we should focus on the ten people whom we want to give self realization. Note their names once you come home. Should confirm that these look good. They should be religious, should not be very difficult people. Means drunkards, even they can get it but today this is not the time. Such people, who are religious, balanced, are positive, who are spiritually oriented and who are on this path- should focus on such 8-10 people and take effort on them. You will be surprised that if you take 10 persons at least 8 will get connected to Divine. If each person facilitates self realization for even 10 persons, you can understand how many will get their self realization. Then you should continuously look after them and nurture them. What is their status, how are they, are they catching, why are they catching negativity- Once you become self realized , you understand negativity , not before that. Even if a person gets mad, he would not realize that he is affected by negativity. Even if he dies after getting mad, still he would not understand. But Sahaja Yogis immediately understands that his agnya is affected. Catching agnya means something has stuck to you. You start suffering. Then immediately the hands start moving, to remove the agnya affliction. Because you start suffering automatically. The reason for this is that when you become superhuman – this is an important point, just note it down , it is important point as – when you became human, there are a lot of differences between you and the animal. The significant difference is that if you remove the animal from the filth, it will not feel any different, It can tolerate anything. But if you do such thing to a human, he will not want that. He needs slippers and if even if he is wearing slippers, he feels dirty. Would like to bathe. The human understands the concept of cleanliness. Similarly a human understands the cleanliness of atma. And after getting affected ‘I don’t want this catch, I need Sahaja Yoga. Remove this catch.’ And he suffers even if he gets affected slightly. And then the person removes it. That suffering is not so clearly evident, you get an indication only. Just like a barometer gives an indication. That this person has got a catch at this place. Once you remove it, he is relieved as well as yourself. See how funny it is. These people purchased kumkum (red powder) from the market. I did not know what kumkum this was. It started burning the moment I applied it on my forehead. I asked them to first remove it. It did not strike me as it was very crowded, I did not realize first when I was asked to touch it. Again I got distracted. Then I took the kumkum and vibrated it. I told Mr. Rajwade that ‘get the Kumkum from your place, it is good. The one you got last year was good.’ Such minute things are noticed. So everything gets vibrated. Vibration means Omkar only. This is the Pranav (the total form) of Omkar. Pranav means pulsation, the total holiness. This holiness is love that communicates, we become aware of everything. As we get connected to the computer and the computer tells, similarly this computer, created by the Almighty, tells us every minute detail. We must understand from it. In the third stage, some people become very religious. Now the gentleman from yesterday revers Lord Mahadeva. And he has a catch on heart. How is this possible? Heart is the location of Mahadeva and Mahadeva is upset with him. How can this happen? People ask “ Mataji, we so ardently worshipped Lord Mahadeva , then how did we suffer from a heart attack?”. People say this does not fit. It’s not wrong, but there was no connection. Now how can such a person, who has worshipped Mahadeva ask Mataji “Shri Mataji, are you the power of Lord Mahadeva?” So as a response, you will get vibrations on your hand. Because it is true. If you ask me a question, I would say yes, it is like that only. What to do? I am what I am. How can I relinquish what I am? If someone is some special being, does he feel proud about it? That person feels proud who does not have it. If someone has it, what is there to feel proud about? Now you have fingers, nose, you are humans – are you proud of it? My case is something similar. Means whatever I have is there. What can I do about it? Now Mr. Pradhan is our old trustee, but he got affected. I told him yesterday not to go on fast on Mahashivaratri day. While he did ask me, he went on fast. One should not keep fast in front of me. I feel very sad. You trouble your mother when you fast. We should fast only on Narak Chaturdashi day. Means sleep for a long time, do not take bath. That’s the day when the door to hell opens. If on that day you get up at 4 o’clock and have eats, the demons barge in. Some things have been planned so erroneously, so erroneously that it is surprising. Now another case, regarding Ganapati. This person had issue with his prostrate and he used to fast on Ganesh Chaturthi day. He visited me on Chaturthi and he had prostrate trouble. I could not fathom why this person, a Ganapati personified, had prostrate issue. Because Ganapati controls prostrate etc.. See how Sahaja Yoga is? The day of Chaturthi, same day he did fast and came to me on the same day. The whole situation was in the fore. This is the sign of Sahaja Yoga. My Prasad is that of Chana (kind of pulse), I took some and said take this Prasad. He would not say anything. But the person standing next to him said, ‘Mataji, today he is on fast’. I said, ‘What is the fast for?’ He said ‘It’s Chaturthi today.’ I said ‘Is that so? If a son is born in your house, will you fast on that day? What sort of propriety is this?’ To fast on the day of someone’s birth is a concept I could never fathom till date. If a child is born in your house, will you follow a period of abstention? That is why it has been mentioned that one should not keep fasts. Because the principle of fasting becomes so faulty, it has gone so wrong; I don’t understand what to tell these people. I am not saying you should just keep on eating. The people who fast are obsessed with eating, I am troubled so much with this. They fast for namesake but their entire attention is on eating. Means ‘what is menu today’ is their first question in the morning even before they bow to Ganapati. The reason is that we are fasting today. They need to create great commotion in the house. To fast means there has to be some special menu. Bring this, must eat this. It should happen this way, must eat these things. Means, what is all this? If fasting is suggested by somebody, I don’t know if it was indeed prescribed – it was suggested only for the reason that you should be in the proximity of the Almighty. There should be no emphasis on eating. If you start emphasizing on eating then your proximity with the Almighty..Now we have to go for meals , have to go there, now this is our program, etc… these thoughts will come in your mind. So to fast on that day means ‘To be completely in the proximity of the Divine.’ Actually this fasting. ‘Upavas’(fasting) means having close companionship of the Almighty’ . This is the real meaning as given in Sanskrit. And it logically meant that one should fast. But there is another interesting word ‘Upasana ‘. To perform upasana (to worship) means ‘upas-na’ (fast-no) . So this fasting should be avoided to some extent. But the dialogue continues – Today it is Ekadashi, so what should be brought? Then it needs this thing, needs grated fried potato, want this, need khichadi (made of sago), need peanuts, need shingade (chestnut). Now Shingades have become costly today. Why, because it is Ekadashi. The element of human is so important, so great, so superior, made with such great effort and where is it going, where are you taking it? The attention is to be placed at the Almighty’s feet and you are placing it on the peanuts. Are you going to get connected with God by eating peanuts? I don’t understand how this is acceptable to the human intellect. This religious fanaticism has given such adverse results that it has given rise to another outcome. Your kids will term you as mental cases. In the second generation you will see kid saying ‘our parents are completely off their rockers (mad). The Brahmins have fleeced them and the fasts have killed them. They did this.’ Nobody will have faith in God. If you escape this then you may become an unbeliever. God is there. Not only that, his all encompassing power is doing all the work. No doubt about it. One must understand it, one must become aware of it, like I said yesterday, and we enhance our contemplation with the help of Sahaja Yoga. Now what he says is right. We have quite a few such people who did not know the ABC of giving a speech. Just timid people. If they do speak, actually Goddess Saraswati flows through them. There was an eight year old girl. She started speaking so well. In London there is a boy aged 8-10 years. He delivers such a beautiful discourse on Sahaja Yoga, people get surprised. How can one know so much? I can tell about my granddaughter. She must be around 5 years that time. They had gone to Ladakh. There was a Lama person sitting there. He was decked in his grand attire and my granddaughters were speaking in Hindi. So everyone paid respects by bowing at his feet. The moment her parents bowed down, she did not appreciate it as they themselves were accomplished Sahaja Yogis. So she stood in front of him and said, “Wearing this long gown and shaving your head does not let you become a realized soul, so why do you accept obeisance from others when you are not connected to God.” She said frankly, just like Kabir. Kabir has thrashed such matters so badly. One must read Kabir to get strength. He says that if by shaving your head you meet the Divine, then the goat and sheep get shaved every day, these must be close to God. He has thus reprimanded all such people, the people who wear long gowns and call themselves Sanyasis (hermits, saints). Another granddaughter of mine, she is slightly elder to this girl. Once I was invited as a chief guest to a program of Raman Maharshi. There were quite a few well known Sanyasis sitting there. There was this gentleman sitting next to me. He is considered to be a very accomplished person. My granddaughter saw this and could not tolerate. She stood up and said,” Granny, the person who is wearing a maxi and sitting next to you, drive him away as I am getting lot of heat.” And she straightway got up and said this. And there were lot of Sahaja Yogis sitting there. They started laughing as they were also feeling the heat. The person looked around to see who is wearing a maxi. He did not realize that he was the object. So such power emanates from within that a person starts speaking only the truth, does not feel afraid. As he is standing on truth. Now look at the life of Christ. How pure it is! But a prostitute, people are throwing stones at her. What is His relation to the prostitute, He was Divinity personified. But when people started throwing stones at a woman, considering her as an evil person, a prostitute, he said that who so ever has not committed any sin should cast the stone and that too at me. And everybody stopped where they were. ‘If you think that you have not committed any sin, you hurt her.’ Later on she became his great disciple. She was Mary Magdalene, His great devotee. But these people have started emulating her. I do not understand the human brain. The English brain is a notch superior. I asked them why people behave in such a stupid manner. They responded, Mary Magdalene was a prostitute and she got liberated hence we all became prostitutes.” They tell me like this, what should I say? “If she would not have become a prostitute, she would not have been liberated. Hence we are also following the same path.” Now what should be the response to this? That we are standing behind a donkey. We know it is a donkey. There are a lot of such idiotic things over there. Even after being so educated and considering themselves as advanced people, I discern only such donkeys. Now I have no hesitation to tell you that an eighty year old person writes a love letter to an eighteen year old girl. There may be one such idiot writing this, but it is flashed on the front page of the news paper. Columns after column. My husband used to say, read this “geeta” after waking up in the morning. And the people diligently read this seriously. Means all of them must be stupid people. I don’t understand how they read such stuff? And this is very common out there. An eighty year old woman writes a love letter to a eighteen year old boy. Have you heard such thing anywhere? Means what is this matter? We have seen donkeys but even a donkey would feel ashamed. Why to say donkey. Donkey is quite a good animal. Sometimes I feel, that Christ rode over a donkey, don’t know if these people were those donkeys? Such filthy matters. These people who have come here are not as difficult as we see there. Eighty years old people, who do not have a common sense, no concept of elderliness, what we call as maturity is also not there, means what is this? What sort of advancement is this? Some of the questions that I mentioned are related to science. Because people over here have started thinking that “we have become scientific etc…”. People who have become very scientific have also come here along with us. It is my wish that, of those, we should converse with a few of them and they should speak with us. You meet them, talk with them – means if you have any questions just ask me , I will answer them, then you talk to them. This way you will get an idea as to where that thing called science has reached. So now you could ask me questions. You could ask me any questions. Ask those questions related to the obstacles you face in Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yogis should pose questions. So that I can understand, what you problems are? What are your obstacles? Or if the question is how to explain people, you could ask me. Regarding Kundalini or about anything. Now this person has asked about”Jalandhar Yoga etc…” Listen to that. There is some confusion in this; you will be surprised if I tell you. The Jalandhar Bandha is part of the chakra and it means a knot. This knot completely opens up and then it secures Kundalini tightly – this is the meaning. This deals with Nabhi Chakra. When Kundalini starts rising – imagine when anything starts climbing up, it is a difficult task, isn’t it? Going downwards is easy, going up is difficult – To raise the Kundalini for an impact- whatever ardent desire , whatever is the knot that is formed by the chakras- the chakra tightens itself – so that the Kundalini that has risen up should not slip down – Jalandhar Yoga is for this purpose. ‘Khecheri’ is also a similar concept. Having arrived at the Vishuddhi chakra, when the Kundalini starts rising further, that time Vishuddhi Chakra holds her and sustains her so that she should not slip down. That’s fine. It happens. That time the tongue will get pulled inside for sure. As the complete awareness has gone inwards, it forms a knot. You don’t realize this. As it is very ‘sukshma’ (subtle, minute), you do not realize what all has happened inside. Only your awareness rushes towards Kundalini. – Because you attention gets pulled inside. This is a very subtle event. Your awareness also becomes subtle. So these events happen inside us that time. Suppose this electricity starts from here and then how does it roam inside and become a loud speaker. It is similar to this. Means this is a subtle event happening inside. This all happens inside us. What is written here has a meaning. This is penned by Shri Dnyaneshwar (a great saint). But what people infer, that if we sit like this, it creates Jalandhar Bandha, is incorrect. You cannot do it. It just happens. See the vast difference here. It is natural, happens inside. Now if I hold the hand like this, will it become a microphone? If you say ‘I became the governor’, will you become one? Does it happen like this? Will anyone believe it? At the most they will put you in an asylum. A person yells ‘I am the governor’ or even ride car while doing this – People will say ‘put all of them in the asylum.’ The authorities that are tied to these things which are subtle and these authorities are subtle and they exercise these themselves. This cannot be done by you. That is why it is called Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is the very best. It is the most superior and hence it is a ‘Maha Yoga’ ( ‘ Great Yoga’). Sahaja Yoga means everything. Nothing happens that is difficult. If you banish the thought that you are doing something then it makes sense. You only put on the switch. Rest all happens by itself. It is inbuilt in the electricity that it has to flow this way. Once it is connected, there has to be light. If it goes through such circle, it has to become a mike. If it goes through that circle, it has to become a fan. This is the principle of electricity. Similarly Kundalini and the contraption of the Sushumna Nadi and whatever else is situated in you, has its own associated principle. And when Shri Dnyaneshwar explained how this principle functions “that we can do.” If you say that we can light a lamp by touching here, then the lights will certainly get on. They should try this and if once the light gets on then they can write in a book what how painful the quest of Kundalini is. Means people will feel how cool it is. If these people have suffered so much, how much it should be for us. Now this gentleman, he has written that,” my Kundalini is awakened”. Means a self certification. “and because of that I felt as if a scorpion has bit me. I suffered a lot. I had blisters on my body. Felt very hot from inside, my head started spinning. My condition deteriorated. Then I asked people. They said your Kundalini is awakened.” Must have visited some guru. Must have tried some silly things and due to unauthorized gesture he got the whiplash from Shri Ganesha. He felt it on the sympathetic. So people like such books very much. Means a person is troubling oneself with all his might. If you have suffered so much why do you pursue it? Yesterday I told you that Kundalini is your Mother and how lovingly a mother looks after her kids. Just think why will she trouble you? Just think about it. So a person who has read such material would think that he is not awakened. – Because according to that he should jump like frog or he should at least be bitten by a scorpion or he should feel the smell of bedbugs – these are some matters given in the material. But one thing is true. When the Kundalini awakens, then we have some other experiences as well. But these experiences should not be taken seriously. – Because if the Kundalini gets pushed more to the right side, you will see light. Don’t consider this as special. If you are right at the centre, you will not see anything. It is followed by fragrance. Because earth is your mother, her essence is fragrance. The earth is made up of fragrance. And as she is the mother, whenever you remember me, you will experience fragrance. Fragrance is the expression of my body. People experience different types of fragrances. Some say “Shri Mataji yesterday we experienced the copious fragrance of Guggul ( deva-dhoop) in the room”. Actually this person is moving around like a God man. He cannot tolerate any fragrance. God loves fragrance. What sort of God man is this? He is dirt loving. How can he be the incarnation of God? So if a person experiences fragrance, a person should go beyond the fragrance itself. A person may get carried away by this. May see light as well. Everything is there. But when you start seeing light, there is no doubt that the agnya chakra has been opened. You will also see black spots in that light. Those are catches. They may be in you, someone else, or in the atmosphere. How to remove them etc etc. the observation of the light – first get the Kundalini stabilized – what I mean to say is first reach Delhi and after reaching know what Delhi is- . So you understand it later, the types of lights, what happens due to this flame, all minute details – till you see the vibrations, see their circles, their movement- these you should see afterwards. If you see a little of this in the beginning and if you get engrossed in that, then you have lost it. Means this mind is like a horse, you should get astride it. If the horse knows that you wish to eat the grass on the way, then it takes you to the grass. But if he understands that you wish to reach your goal, then it will be fully in your control. But it should know that this person is a horse rider. But if the horse comes to know that you cannot ride a horse then it starts bothering you. You must be able to sit on that horse so that he becomes your friend, your carrier. So imagining your Chitta to be a horse, you should continuously tell it tersely that he needs to take you to your final goal, will not accept you taking me anywhere else. Then he will take you to the ultimate pride of place that is moksha.

2/27/1979

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Seminar in Dole

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1979-0227 Seminar Dhule , Maharashtra This is a virtuous land. The land where yoginis like Raul Ba reside is very venerable to me. Similarly Mr. Dhumal from Rahuri who was giving lecture before us, he has also created a revolution in the villages. There are quite a few Sahaja Yogis who have come along with him from Rahuri. And each one of them is a beautiful Sahaja yogi, chiseled like a diamond. To understand how knowledgeable they are and how deep their knowledge of the Divine principle is, one must have discussion with them. Sahaja Yoga means Sahaja, ‘Saha’ means with us and ‘Ja’ means born with. Sahaja Yoga is Maha Yoga (great Yoga). It is born with us. Just position your hands like this. If you wish to activate Kundalini, then keep your hands like this. Simple. Remove your caps. Also remove black threads if you are wearing them. If you are wearing religious beads in the neck, better to remove them because it obstructs, Kundalini stop there. From time immemorial, people have said that Kundalini is an institution within us. This has been especially elaborated by Adi Shankaracharya and Markandeya Swami. After that Kabir and Guru Nanak have also explained and written in detail. Kundalini is our mother and mother is a very holy establishment. Now a dirty person like Freud who had illicit relationship with his mother has created a dirty situation. That is why in the western world, the extent of damage they have suffered , you should see and you would be surprised that this demon - Hitler only beheaded people – but this person has adversely affected everyone’s Kundalini. Kundalini is a mother and she is pure Mother. The purity of the mother need not be explained to an Indian. Those who do not understand the purity of mother cannot achieve Sahaja Yoga. It is just not possible. I have also seen many people, who in spite being Indians, have forgotten holiness, forgotten the importance of holiness. They have taken such a path that will straightaway lead them to destruction. This Power is situated in us, resides in us and many people have informed us about its existence. There are many gurus today who do not have any history and whatever they say has no basis. They have evolved their own spurious method to earn money. There needs to be some history to it. Every incident is historical. If you see the evolution right from Amoeba to becoming a human being, he had to come up step by step. Similarly the entire history of the spiritual life , that is also an event that leads you to a path. If it is a live process then just like a seed develops into roots, trunk, leaves, flowers and then it bears fruits - all this takes place step by step. Similarly whatever we have read today of spirituality, may be by Saint Tukaram or Dnyaneshwar or great saints in our country before them – many spurious gurus have sidelined these saints and have professed themselves to be self righteous and have evolved different ways of making money. In this process even if they perform wrong deeds still they feel that these are appropriate. Somehow they perform some tricks with the help of hypnosis, these things get fixed in people’s minds and people start believing them. Going forward, the state of these people becomes mentally imbalanced and that is bound to happen because whatever is true, that which exists – there has to be means to achieve it. Why did God make us Human beings from Amoeba? How did he do this? What design he created in us, whatever daily transactions we do, what is the ‘sukshma’ (subtle) power that drives these – regarding this, not only in our scriptures but in other scriptures as well a lot of study has been done. It is mentioned even in the Bible and in the Quran as well. Similarly it is mentioned in all our holy scriptures in great detail. And in every religion, it is mentioned that you should recognize your atma (spirit). You need to take birth again. You should be reborn. Until as you take rebirth there is no meaning to other things. There was a big scientist called DENT. He has stipulated that until you get the atma(soul) and its entrance, till then even if you do any religious work you will not come to know if you are worshipping a demon. Because it is due to the atma that a person becomes a whole and his eyes open. Means that if there was no light here so whatever you were seeing was in darkness. And in the darkness you were not seeing anything. So you believed that whatever you got is the truth. Atma is the eyes of spirituality. Without opening them you cannot know anything about atma or Paramatma (soul or Supreme spirit). What should one do while doing this? What should we improvise while doing this – is what people say. I have a simple question. You became a human being from an amoeba, what did you do about it? Or ask a fruit that it became a fruit from a seed, what did you do? Any live process happens automatically. A human being cannot perform any live operation until he gets connected to atma (soul). This is all dead work. If there are bricks, these are dead if you build a house, if a tree falls down and if you make a bench from it, it is all dead work. It is not live work. Human being can perform a live work only when the light of atma (soul) appears in him. Now I will tell you about Kundalini and I will describe one or two experiences about it. You can see with your eyes the pulsation of Kundalini. That is my identity. Markandeya has professed about me, that the Kundalini will pulsate at Her feet. There are many people who have seen the pulsations of Kundalini. Have seen pulsation of thousands of people. It pulsates in the sacrum bone. We have taken films of these as well in London, This work is happening for many people in London. You can observe this pulsation when it rising up. But for people who are not complicated and those who are pure ,simple and straight forward , they don’t even realize when the Kundalini has risen. They reach thoughtless awareness and after that the divine vibrations start flowing through their palms. That is why I do my work mostly in the villages. I do not work in cities because there are a lot of impostors in the cities. The urban folks fall prey to these imposters. They want the impostors, need some circus. They do not need the truth. They want to participate in some or other circus. A villager is simple, straight forward and religious. We call this as spiritual sensitivity. During the time of Rama when he went for his exile in the forest, that time all poor people and all the people in his path, even while wandering in the forest, they knew that this is Shri Rama. Now we say that we have Ashtavinayaks (eight Ganeshas) over here and we have a role of the Ashtavinayaks. Who are these Ashtavinayaks? Ashtavinayaks are the divine elements that have evolved out of the earth. Vinayak is a symbol of these. This is the biggest symbol. We must recognize it. It is the symbol of purity. When God created this universe, he first created Ganesh, created purity. But the so called Gurus have created an exactly opposite situation. They destroy the purity by creating promiscuity and bring the demons there. For example if there is a photo of a goddess then they do some promiscuous acts in from of the Diety. This is the characteristics of tantriks. That is why the deity’s attention goes away from there because she does not stay where there is filth and promiscuity. She does not like filthy behavior, she likes fragrance, she likes flowers. She likes all the beauty in this world. She does not like filth. She cannot tolerate things such as adultery, As soon as she moves her attention away, the demons establish their reign over there. Once this happens, to entice people, to hypnotise them, to extract money from them, to have fun with their money – it is such a deplorable situation. It is a situation of great stupor. Similarly in this way the spurious gurus are cheating people. But it does not mean that real gurus don’t exist in this world. Even today there are authentic gurus in this world. But most of them are hiding themselves in the forest. They come to meet me and say “Mother, you work for 10-12 years and then we will come. Today’s world belongs to impostors, devils. These devils have appeared recently and people have fallen for these devils. People don’t need the truth; they are hell bent on destroying themselves. They don’t see their downfall. We do not want to come in such a world. These people will crucify us or they might poison us. So we don’t want to come.” Even while this is the state of Sahaja Yoga today, I am very happy. In this tour of Maharashtra, many people got their realization. Within a moment, just in a moment Kundalini rapidly rose up and crossed the Fontanel area called Brahma Randhra. We need to know whether it is there or not within us. We have two doctors and many other doctors are our disciples in London and we have done a lot of work there. I have a lecture on Medical Sciences; I have myself studied medicine as I have to deal with doctors. In London I have cured the wife of a doctor from cancer – this eminent doctor has organized a conference for doctors – here all these matters will be discussed. So whatever powers we have within us, how it is related to the Almighty is what I am going to tell you. One historic connection is that I want to tell you is till today whatever incarnations happened one after the other, it is the time that we get the fruits of these incarnations which have happened. Now a days there is a fad that for each incarnation, using self righteous ill logic and by causing confusion , by making fool of people, insult all of them. And we too accept it condescendingly. This is a great sin. To make mockery of the incarnations, to belittle them without understanding them, is a very fearsome deed. Should not do this. First you should understand where you stand. What is your eligibility, what have you achieved and this so called guru or anyone who speaks like this – what is his achievement if any and what is his state. He may be sneezing throughout the day, is ill. Its not known if he has cured any sick person- youngsters these days are after such person too. It is surprising that it is happening in our country. Leave aside what is happening abroad. There are such dirty people abroad that to teach them - they themselves will educate their teachers- they know such things. But whatever filth they have fallen into, they are trying to come out of it. They have realized, in their thoughts they have understood that they have dumped in a deep pit. All our arrangement has gone awry. Our children are misled, we are misled. That person has destroyed all the purity that we had. In spite of everybody knowing all this about Freud (Sigmund ), today the same Freud is sitting over our head. We have such an ancient tradition, should at least study that tradition and understand it. We have some of the best writers who have written a lot on truth. We should collect information about it and only then approach the fraudsters for knowledge. First of all, we need to understand whatever work of God or lecture of God or to know about God or to awaken the Kundalini, you cannot accept money. It is a sign of baseness. Kundalini Awakening happens automatically. How much money you can pay to sprout a seed? Those who live off on other’s money they are very base people, Even if they have amassed money by fraudulent means, you should not believe them. This practice is quite prevalent in our cities. That is why I wish to inform the people from Dhule that until you are completely deep rooted, till then keep your intellect intact. And know that the Divine element is of utmost importance, you must get it, will get it. You will get it automatically. And for this if someone aks you for money, you should tell him that you cannot purchase God. And for this you cannot offer money as well. I am surprised that in the name of God they sell anything. Means what cannot be sold, people sell in His name. This is very surprising and you must understand this. As I am in a city, I am telling these citizens that you have money and you have deep pockets. Sweet attracts flies. These people know that you have money . These are the devils stuck to the bodies of rich people. They will not feel content till they extract all their money. That is why one should be careful. They would sow an ego bolstering thought in you that you are spending money for a Divine cause and they will swindle you completely of your money. After being swindled, you will come crying to me that Mataji, we have been swindled. Whatever is the truth , should appear automatically. This awareness that you are human, this awareness has reached this stage. This you have got on its own. For this you have not jumped around nor did you catch hold of anything nor have you done anything so it has happened automatically by the grace of God. If a drop separates from the sea, it cannot come back to the sea. But the sea itself has to come to the drop. The Almighty also has this question because if He has created this universe, the entire universe he created is so beautiful – whatever he created till today – then this universe must have some meaning. The human that He created with so much effort, and in which there are thousands of nerves and Thousands of organs in place – in today’s state of a great deluge , in the daily behaviour , in the daily dealings as well , He is so alert – so such an Almighty did not give any purpose to this human ? - Means imagine that we have created a machine and if we do not connect it to the mains then there is no meaning – similarly until you get connected to the mains, there is no meaning to you – but if He cannot do it then you will also not be able to do it. This does not mean that only I am doing something or I have done something in it. This principle is quite understandable. If there is a lamp which is lighted and if another lamp is ready it can also get lighted very easily. This is a very simple principle. God has created a lamp inside you alright – this can be observed and we need to understand this. Your Mother, Kundalini is situated inside the sacrum bone – everyone has this mother and She has been placed there by God. Let us think that this is your tape – situated inside the sacrum bone shaped as three and a half coils, birth after birth. Now people will say that people give lecture on Kundalini without knowing anything about it and still they will give lecture and talk about it. She is your Mother. Everybody’s mother. And the chakra seen below this is called as Mooladhar Chakra. Ganesh is situated inside this. What is the purpose? It is only for the protection of Kundalini- for the security of the chastity of Kundalini. The one who is Gauri , has established, Gauri is your Mother. She is waiting for the day when some authorized person will appear before you when she can give you a rebirth. She has accompanied you since all your past births. She is located there and Ganesh is only installed below. Now what all is said about the Ganesh element is not sufficient There is so much to say about the Ganesh element. Because this is the element of a child. Just like a small child is innocent similarly this element is imbibed in us. The main intention of these people is to destroy the innocence within you. They want to destroy the Ganesh within you. So your Kundalini cannot be protected. Out Of the powers Ganesh has, one of them is the power of sex. Because He is a child who does not understand anything, As he is innocent he is positioned there. During the practice of Sahaja Yoga, you need to be innocent like that child. Or else your Kundalini will not rise. And it happens for sure. When the Kundalini rises, the ‘Bandha” (bond, knot) is formed there. And the Kundalini rises. At that time Ganesh tells that one is getting vibrations on the palm, then the Kundalini gets a directive that the moment is opportune, you can rise now and this event takes place. We worship Ganesh but we do not know what Ganesh is. Now to narrate all about HIM is difficult but still there is a close relation between Ganesh and Carbon. This element is present in each human being and it is being flagrantly destroyed. If it is destroyed then you destruction is imminent. Hence people are after destroying HIM first. Means after destroying your purity they can easily destroy you. This is their modus operandi. This Ganesh, who is sitting below, gets awakened when the vibrations are created in Him. After awakening, He indicates Kundalini that there is no issue in rising up now. Now we must note that Kundalini does not pierce this seventh Chakra. Kundalini pierces the 6 Chakras at the top. The lower chakra is intact as it was. So such idiots, who use filthy deeds to awaken the Kundalini, are destroying your personality by destroying your purity – that too after taking money from you for this – this must be noted. Don’t make fool of yourself, just ask yourself what you got from this. The almighty has installed this element with great effort, it should awaken there. That is why Mahararashtra is :Maha”(great) ‘Rashtra”( country) and such people will not thrive here. Because the reign of AshtavInayakas present here and the vibrations emanating from them reverberates the environment. Many people say that this is idol worshipping. How to tell them that this is the element of divine energy. Because there are no divine vibrations flowing through their palms. There is no point is speaking with those don’t get divine vibrations in their palms. That is why I say that until the atma (inner self) is tested, there is no point in doing anything regarding religion(dharma). If you wish to operate telephones without connection it has no meaning. It is like that. The first thing is that the Kundalini should be awakened and you should get your self realization. After that the vibrations start flowing through your palms I will now tell you how this arrangement is made within us.(Start it) In this picture, you will see three Nadis. One on the right, one on the left and one is in the centre. These Nadis nourish what is called as autonomous nervous system which is Self-Running. These three Subtle Nadis are inside bones of our Spine. These three nadis are three Powers of God that operate within us. Of these, the Nadi on the left called as Ida Nadi due to which our existence is there. It is Shiva element due to which our existence is there. If this Nadi was not there , we would not have our existence within us. Our desires & feelings are awakened because of this Nadi and are operational within us. We also call this as Ida Nadi or Chandra Nadi. We have heard about Hatha from Hatha Yoga. The ‘tha’ in Hatha yoga is the name of this Nadi. This Nadi exists due to the Power of the Almighty which is called Mahakali. In Sanskrit we call it Mahakali. If there is no equivalent in English for this, what can I do. There is nothing that can be mentioned here about the knowledge of English people. They may be adept at politics but they have achieved any knowledge about religion. We have suffered so much from foreign rule that although we have achieved independence, we have not realized our existence. That is why we have forgotten all those people who had discovered great things in India. Not only this we don’t even remember Gandhi Ji. This is a big mistake we are committing because- while the science discovered everything and they have reached this stage where they say that Kundalini awakening should happen and many of them have reached a stage where they feel that this happens due to some triggering, it cannot happen due to any intelligence or due to any action. But it happens due to some triggering. Adi Shankaracharya has said “Na Yoge, Na Sankhyena “ - (that it will not happen by Yoga nor Sankya (Another Sect of philosophy) – how will it happen? It will not happen due to debates, will not happen due to dancing or swaying. What will make it happen? Will happen due to Mother’s blessing – is what he told. After writing a great treatise like “Vivek Chudamani” , Shankaracharya wrote another treatise “ Soundarya Lahri” . He has described his Mother and these vibrations in them – which we call as the Divine vibrations. Someone asked him why did he start all this. He said this is wisdom and everything else is ignorance. This is very true because element that is all-pervading, the Divine element , it is operational and not a single leaf can move without God’s will. Unless you feel this , you recognize this, you will not understand. Our situation is as follows – its like the villagers sitting in the plane and they say that we do not want to overload the plane, so lets keep the luggage on our heads – our situation is similar to this. Until this event takes place in you, I am not saying that it will happen for sure or I have not taken the responsibility for it, If it happens it is your wealth, your good deed, this is a special blessing from the Almighty to you, so take it, I am ,sitting in the middle. If it does not happen it is not my mistake, it must be your fault or you may have some mental problem or you may have some physical problem or some intellectual issue or it may be some religious mistake on your part. That is why the Kundalini is obstructed. But it is the characteristics of Kundalini that when it rises , that time while going in through all these chakras, this left channel known as Ida Nadi similarly the one on the right called as Pingala Nadi – it activates these two while passing through them. Means the left and the right channel together form the chakra right at the centre. When this Kundalini pierces through this central chakra it benefits both sides. Now the Nadi on that side facilitates the physical and intellectual activities. Whatever future planning we have, whatever thoughts we have, we do through this. These two channels (Nadis) within us , these two Nadis inside the subtle system are called Ida & Pingala and outside in the physical world are called the Left & Right Sympathetic Nervous System. Now these six chakras on the top, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,and 6 – I have told you that these have a history – during our various stages of evolution, these have been established within us. These are akin to milestones and one must understand that on each of these chakras there are individual deities, you must know this. And if you understand how to awaken them then you will have the entire wisdom of the Divine element. If you do not know this then it is ignorance. There is no doubt that I can cure cancer. I have actually done it. Have done it even in London. But it is not my business to cure people. Today Mr. Jaisingrao was telling me that ‘Mataji, I have achieved self realization five years back. My father used to be bed ridden all the time, everyone in my family suffered from diseases. After I achieved self realization, no doctor has been summoned. Otherwise we used to pay doctor every week.’ Because when the Kundalini rises up, then she nourishes the channel on the right side. This gives us physical benefit. Similarly the conditioning on the left channel is also rectified. Whatever Freud and others have said that whatever conditioning one has, has to be removed. It is a very individualistic work. If you remove the conditioning from a human being, it gives rise to ego. Now we see here two channels. The one on the left is Ida Nadi(Channel) which Freud has recognized. He does not know everything, knows a little like a blind person. So this channel, Ida Nadi is responsible for whatever mental things happen by conditioning means our past is created due to this. Whatever is our past, that is created. Now whatever I am speaking with you, this all will go in the Ida Nadi, in that region, in that area. But we have future too. And we also have this present. Freud could not decipher this as due to blindness he saw only half the thing and because he himself was a dirty person. , a dirty person will discern only filthy things that are why he evolved such a weird new theory. It is very individualistic .And due to the individualism whatever conditioning you have must be removed – he set this as a rule. But if a person does not have a decent upbringing, how arrogant he becomes, how much ego he develops this we can see here. Because the left side that goes up it creates an organization called superego. And the activities we do from the right side – as a byproduct of this - an organization called ego is developed. This all is definitely psychological. Means this has certainly come after Freud. But after Freud nobody believes anybody else, they eugolised him as God. After him Jung(Carl) came and he did so much work but still nobody recognizes him. This is because people have a dirty mind set, they need promiscuity. So this super ego that evolves in us , it come in us like , say – Imagine a small child feeding on his mother’s milk, it is happy completely, at that time if the mother changes the side, then it gets angry. His ego gets awakened. Why this was done? Then his mother says keep quiet, this is conditioning. This gives rise to superego. Both of these should exist. Ego and superego must be balanced in a human being. When Kundalini rises through by making a space in between, it is sucked down by both sides and Kundalini pierces through the Fontanel area and you can witness it. Here the top portion of your skull (Fontanel area) goes inside. These six chakras have different names. I don’t have time to tell everything now, but what I wish to tell you is when Kundalini pierces the Fontanel area then you will develop collective consciousness in you, means what is called actualization. It will happen. No need to tell. Those who have got self realization can tell where their Kundalini is. Our fingers have all the sympathetic chakras. We can feel on the fingers which of the chakra on the left or right side has a catch. We don’t know before that. It is only after achieving self realization we come to know what is wrong with us. This awareness comes after the awakening of the collective consciousness. This cannot be termed as lecture or speech or book, but this event takes place in you, you become that, you become super human, in which you understand collective consciousness. Even a small child can tell which chakra of yours is affected. My granddaughter is two and a half years old. We had a girl named Patricia from England visiting us. She has gone back now. She asked Anupama (my granddaughter) , which chakra of mine has a catch. She said left Nabhi and left Vishuddhi. And she actually had a catch. Because the fingers get the burning sensation. This is subjective knowledge. You become a subject, you become the doer. For example, if a person walks through dirt, he recoils. If an animal walks through dirt, it does not affect it, a human being gets affected. Nowadays I have seen such people who get affected adversely due to perfume, so how dirty the person must be. They suffer due to dirt, they are human beings. Going forward when they become aware ,they suffer due to moral turpitude. So when I say that people have overcome their vices, it is not because I have instituted liquor prohibition because once the happiness of the soul starts dripping, then all these things detach automatically. We take these things because we get bored. But in this movement of soul (atma) a person becomes so engrossed in the happiness, he becomes so contended, so satisfied similarly his personality become so beautiful, so attractive that is to say he becomes very dynamic. Whatever they have told is correct. The children who never used to study started coming first in the class and it is very true. When such event takes place, when it happens in human being, the human does not go near any addiction because his attention will not go there. His awareness is so illuminated, that he does not go to such filty thing and automatically it is discarded. You know it from within that this chakra has a catch. The Kundalini is rising from here, where she has reached at the top. Even if you did not see the Kundalini still you will perceive from within where this person’s Kundalini is going and where it has reached on the top. This entire science is ages old. This is not explained today. Kabira has also explained Sahaja Yoga. But some people have also misinterpreted Kabira. I am amazed at the thinking of people; to see how they misinterpret everything and also how do you all accept it. Kabir has also written on this, Nanak has written on this, Saint Tukaram has written , and Dnyaneshwar has very clearly stated. So first things about our country is that we have predefined limits. This is a very significant thing. Our country is a great country. They may have money but they do not have the Lakshmi (diety) principle. They are very dirty people. If you wish to know about these people, go and see in their country. Our Sahaja Yogis from there are very surprised to see how affectionate the people from here are. If you happen to visit any foreigners there, they will not offer even a cup of tea, even if he is a wealthy lord. He will preserve each penny. If we have some sundry visitors, our people may at most take their shoes and chappals etc. However, if you invite someone at your place over there, then he would elope with ladies and females in the house. So much filth is there in those countries. We feel that people over there are very happy. Sweden, where maximum prosperity is there, lot of money is there, the proportion of suicides is the highest. Means nine out of ten are thinking about suicide. What is the use of such wealth and property. Statistics in London indicates that In England parents kill two children every week. Out of every three families, at least one family’s parents are in the danger of being killed. Statistics indicates this. And they shamelessly tell this. They are absolutely shameless, that is their main characteristics. They don’t have the concept of shame. Just live a shameless life. In such a place too, we established Sahaja Yoga. Today we have 300 diamonds, genuine Sahaja Yogis over there. And they are so knowledgeable that they can explain everything about Sahaja Yoga. I have seen so many Sahaja Yogis, I have so many disciples over there, they have done so much work there, including Indians over there and they have delved so deep in Sahaja Yoga and they have such detailed knowledge. But I have not seen such foreigners who have taken so much effort for Sahaja Yoga, and by reading every detail and extracting the essence, by examining closely all the aspects, and by studying it completely they have dedicated their lives to Sahaja Yoga. And they are still taking efforts, and are not cribbing and shouting like idiots. Any Stray person should misguide you and you go running after him. They use their intellect to understand each and every word, what is this chakra and what is that chakra , and how does the Kundalini rise on this chakra, how to raise her. These people only have cured thousands of people. Nowadays I do not cure any one. This power is flowing within us. The simple people from average villages have created miracles but we do not publicize so much about these things, it happens automatically. I was very surprised to see an article from Mr. Pardhi in Tarun- Bharat (Newspaper).He had casually given that article, I had not asked him to do so. People sell many things in the name of Kundalini. First there should be collective consciousness in Kundalini. The person should get into collective consciousness. He should understand where the other person’s Kundalini is. I get a lot people, I tell you – ‘Mataji, my Kundalini is awakened.’ ’ Alright. Sit here.’ Then they get frenzied ( start flying) like a horse or start jumping like frogs. I ask them ‘What is this?’ ‘Our Kundalini is awakened so we fly like this.’ I say, ‘do you want to become a super human or a horse or a frog or tomorrow you may choose to be fleas. You shout like a cattle , Is this a sign of a human being? And I speak of a super human Almighty. And what are you doing in front of me.’ They say,’ our guru has told us.’ ‘Is that so?’ ‘He has given us the mantra to chant.’ ‘Fine.’ ‘Has given us chanting beads.’ ‘Fine. Where is the Kundalini? Has it risen up or no? if your Kundalini is risen up(awakened), then tell me where this person’s Kundalini is?’ ‘How to tell that?’ ‘Then I said ‘how did your Kundalini rise? Tell me what disease this person is suffering from?’‘ ‘We can’t tell that.’ ‘Ok tell me what trouble you have. On the chakras.’ ‘Mataji, we don’t know all that. Our guru has only mentioned that there are things like chakras.’ ‘OK. And he has given you this. At the end, all of you should go to an asylum. Straightaway. ‘ So many sinful deeds are happening in this world. To earn money they could indulge in smuggling, they can do whatever they want.

1979-0227 Seminar Dhule , Maharashtra This is a virtuous land. The land where yoginis like Raul Ba reside is very venerable to me. Similarly Mr. Dhumal from Rahuri who was giving lecture before us, he has also created a revolution in the villages. There are quite a few Sahaja Yogis who have come along with him from Rahuri. And each one of them is a beautiful Sahaja yogi, chiseled like a diamond. To understand how knowledgeable they are and how deep their knowledge of the Divine principle is, one must have discussion with them. Sahaja Yoga means Sahaja, ‘Saha’ means with us and ‘Ja’ means born with. Sahaja Yoga is Maha Yoga (great Yoga). It is born with us. Just position your hands like this. If you wish to activate Kundalini, then keep your hands like this. Simple. Remove your caps. Also remove black threads if you are wearing them. If you are wearing religious beads in the neck, better to remove them because it obstructs, Kundalini stop there. From time immemorial, people have said that Kundalini is an institution within us. This has been especially elaborated by Adi Shankaracharya and Markandeya Swami. After that Kabir and Guru Nanak have also explained and written in detail. Kundalini is our mother and mother is a very holy establishment. Now a dirty person like Freud who had illicit relationship with his mother has created a dirty situation. That is why in the western world, the extent of damage they have suffered , you should see and you would be surprised that this demon - Hitler only beheaded people – but this person has adversely affected everyone’s Kundalini. Kundalini is a mother and she is pure Mother. The purity of the mother need not be explained to an Indian. Those who do not understand the purity of mother cannot achieve Sahaja Yoga. It is just not possible. I have also seen many people, who in spite being Indians, have forgotten holiness, forgotten the importance of holiness. They have taken such a path that will straightaway lead them to destruction. This Power is situated in us, resides in us and many people have informed us about its existence. There are many gurus today who do not have any history and whatever they say has no basis. They have evolved their own spurious method to earn money. There needs to be some history to it. Every incident is historical. If you see the evolution right from Amoeba to becoming a human being, he had to come up step by step. Similarly the entire history of the spiritual life , that is also an event that leads you to a path. If it is a live process then just like a seed develops into roots, trunk, leaves, flowers and then it bears fruits - all this takes place step by step. Similarly whatever we have read today of spirituality, may be by Saint Tukaram or Dnyaneshwar or great saints in our country before them – many spurious gurus have sidelined these saints and have professed themselves to be self righteous and have evolved different ways of making money. In this process even if they perform wrong deeds still they feel that these are appropriate. Somehow they perform some tricks with the help of hypnosis, these things get fixed in people’s minds and people start believing them. Going forward, the state of these people becomes mentally imbalanced and that is bound to happen because whatever is true, that which exists – there has to be means to achieve it. Why did God make us Human beings from Amoeba? How did he do this? What design he created in us, whatever daily transactions we do, what is the ‘sukshma’ (subtle) power that drives these – regarding this, not only in our scriptures but in other scriptures as well a lot of study has been done. It is mentioned even in the Bible and in the Quran as well. Similarly it is mentioned in all our holy scriptures in great detail. And in every religion, it is mentioned that you should recognize your atma (spirit). You need to take birth again. You should be reborn. Until as you take rebirth there is no meaning to other things. There was a big scientist called DENT. He has stipulated that until you get the atma(soul) and its entrance, till then even if you do any religious work you will not come to know if you are worshipping a demon. Because it is due to the atma that a person becomes a whole and his eyes open. Means that if there was no light here so whatever you were seeing was in darkness. And in the darkness you were not seeing anything. So you believed that whatever you got is the truth. Atma is the eyes of spirituality. Without opening them you cannot know anything about atma or Paramatma (soul or Supreme spirit). What should one do while doing this? What should we improvise while doing this – is what people say. I have a simple question. You became a human being from an amoeba, what did you do about it? Or ask a fruit that it became a fruit from a seed, what did you do? Any live process happens automatically. A human being cannot perform any live operation until he gets connected to atma (soul). This is all dead work. If there are bricks, these are dead if you build a house, if a tree falls down and if you make a bench from it, it is all dead work. It is not live work. Human being can perform a live work only when the light of atma (soul) appears in him. Now I will tell you about Kundalini and I will describe one or two experiences about it. You can see with your eyes the pulsation of Kundalini. That is my identity. Markandeya has professed about me, that the Kundalini will pulsate at Her feet. There are many people who have seen the pulsations of Kundalini. Have seen pulsation of thousands of people. It pulsates in the sacrum bone. We have taken films of these as well in London, This work is happening for many people in London. You can observe this pulsation when it rising up. But for people who are not complicated and those who are pure ,simple and straight forward , they don’t even realize when the Kundalini has risen. They reach thoughtless awareness and after that the divine vibrations start flowing through their palms. That is why I do my work mostly in the villages. I do not work in cities because there are a lot of impostors in the cities. The urban folks fall prey to these imposters. They want the impostors, need some circus. They do not need the truth. They want to participate in some or other circus. A villager is simple, straight forward and religious. We call this as spiritual sensitivity. During the time of Rama when he went for his exile in the forest, that time all poor people and all the people in his path, even while wandering in the forest, they knew that this is Shri Rama. Now we say that we have Ashtavinayaks (eight Ganeshas) over here and we have a role of the Ashtavinayaks. Who are these Ashtavinayaks? Ashtavinayaks are the divine elements that have evolved out of the earth. Vinayak is a symbol of these. This is the biggest symbol. We must recognize it. It is the symbol of purity. When God created this universe, he first created Ganesh, created purity. But the so called Gurus have created an exactly opposite situation. They destroy the purity by creating promiscuity and bring the demons there. For example if there is a photo of a goddess then they do some promiscuous acts in from of the Diety. This is the characteristics of tantriks. That is why the deity’s attention goes away from there because she does not stay where there is filth and promiscuity. She does not like filthy behavior, she likes fragrance, she likes flowers. She likes all the beauty in this world. She does not like filth. She cannot tolerate things such as adultery, As soon as she moves her attention away, the demons establish their reign over there. Once this happens, to entice people, to hypnotise them, to extract money from them, to have fun with their money – it is such a deplorable situation. It is a situation of great stupor. Similarly in this way the spurious gurus are cheating people. But it does not mean that real gurus don’t exist in this world. Even today there are authentic gurus in this world. But most of them are hiding themselves in the forest. They come to meet me and say “Mother, you work for 10-12 years and then we will come. Today’s world belongs to impostors, devils. These devils have appeared recently and people have fallen for these devils. People don’t need the truth; they are hell bent on destroying themselves. They don’t see their downfall. We do not want to come in such a world. These people will crucify us or they might poison us. So we don’t want to come.” Even while this is the state of Sahaja Yoga today, I am very happy. In this tour of Maharashtra, many people got their realization. Within a moment, just in a moment Kundalini rapidly rose up and crossed the Fontanel area called Brahma Randhra. We need to know whether it is there or not within us. We have two doctors and many other doctors are our disciples in London and we have done a lot of work there. I have a lecture on Medical Sciences; I have myself studied medicine as I have to deal with doctors. In London I have cured the wife of a doctor from cancer – this eminent doctor has organized a conference for doctors – here all these matters will be discussed. So whatever powers we have within us, how it is related to the Almighty is what I am going to tell you. One historic connection is that I want to tell you is till today whatever incarnations happened one after the other, it is the time that we get the fruits of these incarnations which have happened. Now a days there is a fad that for each incarnation, using self righteous ill logic and by causing confusion , by making fool of people, insult all of them. And we too accept it condescendingly. This is a great sin. To make mockery of the incarnations, to belittle them without understanding them, is a very fearsome deed. Should not do this. First you should understand where you stand. What is your eligibility, what have you achieved and this so called guru or anyone who speaks like this – what is his achievement if any and what is his state. He may be sneezing throughout the day, is ill. Its not known if he has cured any sick person- youngsters these days are after such person too. It is surprising that it is happening in our country. Leave aside what is happening abroad. There are such dirty people abroad that to teach them - they themselves will educate their teachers- they know such things. But whatever filth they have fallen into, they are trying to come out of it. They have realized, in their thoughts they have understood that they have dumped in a deep pit. All our arrangement has gone awry. Our children are misled, we are misled. That person has destroyed all the purity that we had. In spite of everybody knowing all this about Freud (Sigmund ), today the same Freud is sitting over our head. We have such an ancient tradition, should at least study that tradition and understand it. We have some of the best writers who have written a lot on truth. We should collect information about it and only then approach the fraudsters for knowledge. First of all, we need to understand whatever work of God or lecture of God or to know about God or to awaken the Kundalini, you cannot accept money. It is a sign of baseness. Kundalini Awakening happens automatically. How much money you can pay to sprout a seed? Those who live off on other’s money they are very base people, Even if they have amassed money by fraudulent means, you should not believe them. This practice is quite prevalent in our cities. That is why I wish to inform the people from Dhule that until you are completely deep rooted, till then keep your intellect intact. And know that the Divine element is of utmost importance, you must get it, will get it. You will get it automatically. And for this if someone aks you for money, you should tell him that you cannot purchase God. And for this you cannot offer money as well. I am surprised that in the name of God they sell anything. Means what cannot be sold, people sell in His name. This is very surprising and you must understand this. As I am in a city, I am telling these citizens that you have money and you have deep pockets. Sweet attracts flies. These people know that you have money . These are the devils stuck to the bodies of rich people. They will not feel content till they extract all their money. That is why one should be careful. They would sow an ego bolstering thought in you that you are spending money for a Divine cause and they will swindle you completely of your money. After being swindled, you will come crying to me that Mataji, we have been swindled. Whatever is the truth , should appear automatically. This awareness that you are human, this awareness has reached this stage. This you have got on its own. For this you have not jumped around nor did you catch hold of anything nor have you done anything so it has happened automatically by the grace of God. If a drop separates from the sea, it cannot come back to the sea. But the sea itself has to come to the drop. The Almighty also has this question because if He has created this universe, the entire universe he created is so beautiful – whatever he created till today – then this universe must have some meaning. The human that He created with so much effort, and in which there are thousands of nerves and Thousands of organs in place – in today’s state of a great deluge , in the daily behaviour , in the daily dealings as well , He is so alert – so such an Almighty did not give any purpose to this human ? - Means imagine that we have created a machine and if we do not connect it to the mains then there is no meaning – similarly until you get connected to the mains, there is no meaning to you – but if He cannot do it then you will also not be able to do it. This does not mean that only I am doing something or I have done something in it. This principle is quite understandable. If there is a lamp which is lighted and if another lamp is ready it can also get lighted very easily. This is a very simple principle. God has created a lamp inside you alright – this can be observed and we need to understand this. Your Mother, Kundalini is situated inside the sacrum bone – everyone has this mother and She has been placed there by God. Let us think that this is your tape – situated inside the sacrum bone shaped as three and a half coils, birth after birth. Now people will say that people give lecture on Kundalini without knowing anything about it and still they will give lecture and talk about it. She is your Mother. Everybody’s mother. And the chakra seen below this is called as Mooladhar Chakra. Ganesh is situated inside this. What is the purpose? It is only for the protection of Kundalini- for the security of the chastity of Kundalini. The one who is Gauri , has established, Gauri is your Mother. She is waiting for the day when some authorized person will appear before you when she can give you a rebirth. She has accompanied you since all your past births. She is located there and Ganesh is only installed below. Now what all is said about the Ganesh element is not sufficient There is so much to say about the Ganesh element. Because this is the element of a child. Just like a small child is innocent similarly this element is imbibed in us. The main intention of these people is to destroy the innocence within you. They want to destroy the Ganesh within you. So your Kundalini cannot be protected. Out Of the powers Ganesh has, one of them is the power of sex. Because He is a child who does not understand anything, As he is innocent he is positioned there. During the practice of Sahaja Yoga, you need to be innocent like that child. Or else your Kundalini will not rise. And it happens for sure. When the Kundalini rises, the ‘Bandha” (bond, knot) is formed there. And the Kundalini rises. At that time Ganesh tells that one is getting vibrations on the palm, then the Kundalini gets a directive that the moment is opportune, you can rise now and this event takes place. We worship Ganesh but we do not know what Ganesh is. Now to narrate all about HIM is difficult but still there is a close relation between Ganesh and Carbon. This element is present in each human being and it is being flagrantly destroyed. If it is destroyed then you destruction is imminent. Hence people are after destroying HIM first. Means after destroying your purity they can easily destroy you. This is their modus operandi. This Ganesh, who is sitting below, gets awakened when the vibrations are created in Him. After awakening, He indicates Kundalini that there is no issue in rising up now. Now we must note that Kundalini does not pierce this seventh Chakra. Kundalini pierces the 6 Chakras at the top. The lower chakra is intact as it was. So such idiots, who use filthy deeds to awaken the Kundalini, are destroying your personality by destroying your purity – that too after taking money from you for this – this must be noted. Don’t make fool of yourself, just ask yourself what you got from this. The almighty has installed this element with great effort, it should awaken there. That is why Mahararashtra is :Maha”(great) ‘Rashtra”( country) and such people will not thrive here. Because the reign of AshtavInayakas present here and the vibrations emanating from them reverberates the environment. Many people say that this is idol worshipping. How to tell them that this is the element of divine energy. Because there are no divine vibrations flowing through their palms. There is no point is speaking with those don’t get divine vibrations in their palms. That is why I say that until the atma (inner self) is tested, there is no point in doing anything regarding religion(dharma). If you wish to operate telephones without connection it has no meaning. It is like that. The first thing is that the Kundalini should be awakened and you should get your self realization. After that the vibrations start flowing through your palms I will now tell you how this arrangement is made within us.(Start it) In this picture, you will see three Nadis. One on the right, one on the left and one is in the centre. These Nadis nourish what is called as autonomous nervous system which is Self-Running. These three Subtle Nadis are inside bones of our Spine. These three nadis are three Powers of God that operate within us. Of these, the Nadi on the left called as Ida Nadi due to which our existence is there. It is Shiva element due to which our existence is there. If this Nadi was not there , we would not have our existence within us. Our desires & feelings are awakened because of this Nadi and are operational within us. We also call this as Ida Nadi or Chandra Nadi. We have heard about Hatha from Hatha Yoga. The ‘tha’ in Hatha yoga is the name of this Nadi. This Nadi exists due to the Power of the Almighty which is called Mahakali. In Sanskrit we call it Mahakali. If there is no equivalent in English for this, what can I do. There is nothing that can be mentioned here about the knowledge of English people. They may be adept at politics but they have achieved any knowledge about religion. We have suffered so much from foreign rule that although we have achieved independence, we have not realized our existence. That is why we have forgotten all those people who had discovered great things in India. Not only this we don’t even remember Gandhi Ji. This is a big mistake we are committing because- while the science discovered everything and they have reached this stage where they say that Kundalini awakening should happen and many of them have reached a stage where they feel that this happens due to some triggering, it cannot happen due to any intelligence or due to any action. But it happens due to some triggering. Adi Shankaracharya has said “Na Yoge, Na Sankhyena “ - (that it will not happen by Yoga nor Sankya (Another Sect of philosophy) – how will it happen? It will not happen due to debates, will not happen due to dancing or swaying. What will make it happen? Will happen due to Mother’s blessing – is what he told. After writing a great treatise like “Vivek Chudamani” , Shankaracharya wrote another treatise “ Soundarya Lahri” . He has described his Mother and these vibrations in them – which we call as the Divine vibrations. Someone asked him why did he start all this. He said this is wisdom and everything else is ignorance. This is very true because element that is all-pervading, the Divine element , it is operational and not a single leaf can move without God’s will. Unless you feel this , you recognize this, you will not understand. Our situation is as follows – its like the villagers sitting in the plane and they say that we do not want to overload the plane, so lets keep the luggage on our heads – our situation is similar to this. Until this event takes place in you, I am not saying that it will happen for sure or I have not taken the responsibility for it, If it happens it is your wealth, your good deed, this is a special blessing from the Almighty to you, so take it, I am ,sitting in the middle. If it does not happen it is not my mistake, it must be your fault or you may have some mental problem or you may have some physical problem or some intellectual issue or it may be some religious mistake on your part. That is why the Kundalini is obstructed. But it is the characteristics of Kundalini that when it rises , that time while going in through all these chakras, this left channel known as Ida Nadi similarly the one on the right called as Pingala Nadi – it activates these two while passing through them. Means the left and the right channel together form the chakra right at the centre. When this Kundalini pierces through this central chakra it benefits both sides. Now the Nadi on that side facilitates the physical and intellectual activities. Whatever future planning we have, whatever thoughts we have, we do through this. These two channels (Nadis) within us , these two Nadis inside the subtle system are called Ida & Pingala and outside in the physical world are called the Left & Right Sympathetic Nervous System. Now these six chakras on the top, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,and 6 – I have told you that these have a history – during our various stages of evolution, these have been established within us. These are akin to milestones and one must understand that on each of these chakras there are individual deities, you must know this. And if you understand how to awaken them then you will have the entire wisdom of the Divine element. If you do not know this then it is ignorance. There is no doubt that I can cure cancer. I have actually done it. Have done it even in London. But it is not my business to cure people. Today Mr. Jaisingrao was telling me that ‘Mataji, I have achieved self realization five years back. My father used to be bed ridden all the time, everyone in my family suffered from diseases. After I achieved self realization, no doctor has been summoned. Otherwise we used to pay doctor every week.’ Because when the Kundalini rises up, then she nourishes the channel on the right side. This gives us physical benefit. Similarly the conditioning on the left channel is also rectified. Whatever Freud and others have said that whatever conditioning one has, has to be removed. It is a very individualistic work. If you remove the conditioning from a human being, it gives rise to ego. Now we see here two channels. The one on the left is Ida Nadi(Channel) which Freud has recognized. He does not know everything, knows a little like a blind person. So this channel, Ida Nadi is responsible for whatever mental things happen by conditioning means our past is created due to this. Whatever is our past, that is created. Now whatever I am speaking with you, this all will go in the Ida Nadi, in that region, in that area. But we have future too. And we also have this present. Freud could not decipher this as due to blindness he saw only half the thing and because he himself was a dirty person. , a dirty person will discern only filthy things that are why he evolved such a weird new theory. It is very individualistic .And due to the individualism whatever conditioning you have must be removed – he set this as a rule. But if a person does not have a decent upbringing, how arrogant he becomes, how much ego he develops this we can see here. Because the left side that goes up it creates an organization called superego. And the activities we do from the right side – as a byproduct of this - an organization called ego is developed. This all is definitely psychological. Means this has certainly come after Freud. But after Freud nobody believes anybody else, they eugolised him as God. After him Jung(Carl) came and he did so much work but still nobody recognizes him. This is because people have a dirty mind set, they need promiscuity. So this super ego that evolves in us , it come in us like , say – Imagine a small child feeding on his mother’s milk, it is happy completely, at that time if the mother changes the side, then it gets angry. His ego gets awakened. Why this was done? Then his mother says keep quiet, this is conditioning. This gives rise to superego. Both of these should exist. Ego and superego must be balanced in a human being. When Kundalini rises through by making a space in between, it is sucked down by both sides and Kundalini pierces through the Fontanel area and you can witness it. Here the top portion of your skull (Fontanel area) goes inside. These six chakras have different names. I don’t have time to tell everything now, but what I wish to tell you is when Kundalini pierces the Fontanel area then you will develop collective consciousness in you, means what is called actualization. It will happen. No need to tell. Those who have got self realization can tell where their Kundalini is. Our fingers have all the sympathetic chakras. We can feel on the fingers which of the chakra on the left or right side has a catch. We don’t know before that. It is only after achieving self realization we come to know what is wrong with us. This awareness comes after the awakening of the collective consciousness. This cannot be termed as lecture or speech or book, but this event takes place in you, you become that, you become super human, in which you understand collective consciousness. Even a small child can tell which chakra of yours is affected. My granddaughter is two and a half years old. We had a girl named Patricia from England visiting us. She has gone back now. She asked Anupama (my granddaughter) , which chakra of mine has a catch. She said left Nabhi and left Vishuddhi. And she actually had a catch. Because the fingers get the burning sensation. This is subjective knowledge. You become a subject, you become the doer. For example, if a person walks through dirt, he recoils. If an animal walks through dirt, it does not affect it, a human being gets affected. Nowadays I have seen such people who get affected adversely due to perfume, so how dirty the person must be. They suffer due to dirt, they are human beings. Going forward when they become aware ,they suffer due to moral turpitude. So when I say that people have overcome their vices, it is not because I have instituted liquor prohibition because once the happiness of the soul starts dripping, then all these things detach automatically. We take these things because we get bored. But in this movement of soul (atma) a person becomes so engrossed in the happiness, he becomes so contended, so satisfied similarly his personality become so beautiful, so attractive that is to say he becomes very dynamic. Whatever they have told is correct. The children who never used to study started coming first in the class and it is very true. When such event takes place, when it happens in human being, the human does not go near any addiction because his attention will not go there. His awareness is so illuminated, that he does not go to such filty thing and automatically it is discarded. You know it from within that this chakra has a catch. The Kundalini is rising from here, where she has reached at the top. Even if you did not see the Kundalini still you will perceive from within where this person’s Kundalini is going and where it has reached on the top. This entire science is ages old. This is not explained today. Kabira has also explained Sahaja Yoga. But some people have also misinterpreted Kabira. I am amazed at the thinking of people; to see how they misinterpret everything and also how do you all accept it. Kabir has also written on this, Nanak has written on this, Saint Tukaram has written , and Dnyaneshwar has very clearly stated. So first things about our country is that we have predefined limits. This is a very significant thing. Our country is a great country. They may have money but they do not have the Lakshmi (diety) principle. They are very dirty people. If you wish to know about these people, go and see in their country. Our Sahaja Yogis from there are very surprised to see how affectionate the people from here are. If you happen to visit any foreigners there, they will not offer even a cup of tea, even if he is a wealthy lord. He will preserve each penny. If we have some sundry visitors, our people may at most take their shoes and chappals etc. However, if you invite someone at your place over there, then he would elope with ladies and females in the house. So much filth is there in those countries. We feel that people over there are very happy. Sweden, where maximum prosperity is there, lot of money is there, the proportion of suicides is the highest. Means nine out of ten are thinking about suicide. What is the use of such wealth and property. Statistics in London indicates that In England parents kill two children every week. Out of every three families, at least one family’s parents are in the danger of being killed. Statistics indicates this. And they shamelessly tell this. They are absolutely shameless, that is their main characteristics. They don’t have the concept of shame. Just live a shameless life. In such a place too, we established Sahaja Yoga. Today we have 300 diamonds, genuine Sahaja Yogis over there. And they are so knowledgeable that they can explain everything about Sahaja Yoga. I have seen so many Sahaja Yogis, I have so many disciples over there, they have done so much work there, including Indians over there and they have delved so deep in Sahaja Yoga and they have such detailed knowledge. But I have not seen such foreigners who have taken so much effort for Sahaja Yoga, and by reading every detail and extracting the essence, by examining closely all the aspects, and by studying it completely they have dedicated their lives to Sahaja Yoga. And they are still taking efforts, and are not cribbing and shouting like idiots. Any Stray person should misguide you and you go running after him. They use their intellect to understand each and every word, what is this chakra and what is that chakra , and how does the Kundalini rise on this chakra, how to raise her. These people only have cured thousands of people. Nowadays I do not cure any one. This power is flowing within us. The simple people from average villages have created miracles but we do not publicize so much about these things, it happens automatically. I was very surprised to see an article from Mr. Pardhi in Tarun- Bharat (Newspaper).He had casually given that article, I had not asked him to do so. People sell many things in the name of Kundalini. First there should be collective consciousness in Kundalini. The person should get into collective consciousness. He should understand where the other person’s Kundalini is. I get a lot people, I tell you – ‘Mataji, my Kundalini is awakened.’ ’ Alright. Sit here.’ Then they get frenzied ( start flying) like a horse or start jumping like frogs. I ask them ‘What is this?’ ‘Our Kundalini is awakened so we fly like this.’ I say, ‘do you want to become a super human or a horse or a frog or tomorrow you may choose to be fleas. You shout like a cattle , Is this a sign of a human being? And I speak of a super human Almighty. And what are you doing in front of me.’ They say,’ our guru has told us.’ ‘Is that so?’ ‘He has given us the mantra to chant.’ ‘Fine.’ ‘Has given us chanting beads.’ ‘Fine. Where is the Kundalini? Has it risen up or no? if your Kundalini is risen up(awakened), then tell me where this person’s Kundalini is?’ ‘How to tell that?’ ‘Then I said ‘how did your Kundalini rise? Tell me what disease this person is suffering from?’‘ ‘We can’t tell that.’ ‘Ok tell me what trouble you have. On the chakras.’ ‘Mataji, we don’t know all that. Our guru has only mentioned that there are things like chakras.’ ‘OK. And he has given you this. At the end, all of you should go to an asylum. Straightaway. ‘ So many sinful deeds are happening in this world. To earn money they could indulge in smuggling, they can do whatever they want.

3/1/1979

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The whole creation of God is Sahaja and the ultimate is the Sahaj Yogs. God has crested man with His Shakti and he has to know Him and recogonise Him through Kunaalini awakening Blossom time has come and many ancient seekers are today getting their self realisation. My heartiest congratulations to all the Sahaja yogis for enlightening the path of self realisation for the seekers of truth. New Delhi March 1979

The whole creation of God is Sahaja and the ultimate is the Sahaj Yogs. God has crested man with His Shakti and he has to know Him and recogonise Him through Kunaalini awakening Blossom time has come and many ancient seekers are today getting their self realisation. My heartiest congratulations to all the Sahaja yogis for enlightening the path of self realisation for the seekers of truth. New Delhi March 1979

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Seminar: The Almighty is the most powerful of all

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English Translation from Hindi. Seminar (Hindi). Dheradun, UP, India. 4 March 1979. (Shri Mataji asks the audience to sit comfortably with their hands open.) I had told you this morning that Shri Ganesha is placed on the first chakra of the Kundalini. He is the giver of purity and is purity itself. This chakra is below the Kundalini. Not only does it safeguard the Kundalini but it is also vigilant towards anyone who tries to get to the Kundalini from that side. Nobody can reach the Kundalini from that way. And as I told you this morning, those who try to do so, commit a grave sin. Although they can earn some money out of it, the sins they amass can become the cause of grave misfortune. Who is going to show them? The second chakra, which I told you was Swadishthana, is used for thinking. When we use our brains to think, we use the grey matter which is made of fat globules. These fat globules are made from abdominal fat. This chakra converts fat from the abdomen to fat for the brain. So thinking puts a lot of strain on this chakra. If one gets used to thinking a lot, as is common in these modern times, then it has to work so hard that all the other functions of this chakra get affected. As I had said, diabetes is the result of this malfunction because this chakra governs the functioning of the pancreas. Because this chakra is busy with this function, other functions get adversely affected. One of them is the pancreas, the spleen, the upper part of the liver and kidneys. So, too much thinking and planning aren’t good for the health of the body. And also from the perspective of the society, because men overthink when they don’t believe in the Divine. After a point, things must be surrendered to the Almighty. The Devi Mahatmyam says, "Sankalp vikalp karo" [ed- Man proposes, God disposes]. Now, there’s a person, he’s going somewhere for work and plans everything. He has an accident on the way and hurts his hand and is unable to go. That which has to happen will happen. You may plan a lot but not reach on time, and then it doesn’t work out. That is why we shouldn’t be obstinate, that we will do this work, come what may and that it has to work out. Hurdles come up in that. Once you enter the Kingdom of God, then His ways work out and you know everything about where you have to go and what you have to do because it is His planning that works. If that person had his realization, he would never have gone that way, he would’ve never left at that time. This will happen, you observe it! Keep making a note. Ever since people got their realization, they have experienced that even if they have an accident, they never get hurt and are completely safe. Many people never even get into such situations, they either reach there late or something happens and they don’t get there. Such are the blessings of realization. Now you are in the Kingdom of God and just as your government looks after you, the Almighty looks after you, His government looks after you. In this way, mishaps are avoided. Actually, there are always satanic forces after every good person. You can see that in life, there are always satanic forces after the good. There’s no way to protect yourself from them, except to come under the protection of God. It’s because of satanic forces that you all are undergoing hardships and that they are after you and troubling you. You have no way to save yourself from them. They and their powers are very subtle and you can never say when they’ll attack you or trouble you. You cannot even comprehend them. But they do affect you and when they do, you realize that you couldn’t have predicted that things would turn out the way they did. So to save yourself, if God’s protection is around you, then there’s no question of whether you are protected or not. Of course, you die when you have to, that’s another thing. But when a realized person dies, it isn’t through his nose, mouth, or eyes, it is through his Sahastrara. There’s no bleeding through the nose. Until now in Sahaja Yoga, you’ll be surprised that only two or three people have died, I know thousands of people. That too at the age of seventy – seventy-five. One died at ninety-eight and the other at seventy-three. You’re blessed with longevity. Sudden death is caused by satanic forces. Because you have no inkling about them, they can come at any moment and attack you and you become miserable. They upset everything because they have a plan of their own. You may have planned to do something noble but they always come and interfere But if you haven’t planned anything from before! They can read your mind. Satanic forces can read your mind. To the extent that if you talk to Me, somebody will come up to you and tell you that they know what conversation you had with Me. He can read your mind. Immediately he’d be able to tell you what we’d talked to each other. Because you’ve planned everything in your mind, they can read your mind and they know exactly what way you’re going to take to reach where you want to go. That’s why you have to be secretive. You have no idea how prevalent the satanic forces are in this world. All these rakshasas who call themselves gurus are all satanic. They have powers of hypnosis and they are satanic. These are satanic powers and they have an effect on you. In order to recognize these satanic powers, you’ll have to come to Sahaja Yoga. You can then recognize where you’re being attacked from. Now these doctors, these psychologists are unaware that every crazy person has bhoots in them. They neither understand nor believe all this and therefore get affected by these bhoots. Today a psychiatrist came to meet me, those poor people do not know how to protect themselves. Now suppose somebody is affected by TB, so we protect ourselves against it otherwise we may contract the disease. But these satanic forces, we neither recognize them and nor do we know how to protect ourselves against them. However, our ancestors knew how to. But we have become westernized as I had mentioned, and so we do not have this knowledge. We do not know how satanic forces act in this world and how they trouble us. But in front of the Almighty, nothing is powerful. He is the most powerful and when you are his citizens, then He protects you and looks after you. But He is always looking after you, anyway. That’s why a good person could get just a small hurt or something small may happen [in place of something big] – as it happened to you. You know how little children hardly ever get seriously hurt even if they fall from a height, it is said that they are looked after by angels. Especially if they are realized souls, like this child who was born realized. There are many like her. She’s always been a bit sick since childhood because she was always attacked by satanic forces. As I mentioned this morning, we have the left and right channels and if we veer too much onto the left side we go into the collective subconscious and if we go too much towards the right then we go to the collective supraconscious. The subconscious is inhabited by dissatisfied people whose souls are still hovering around. These are really depraved souls. There are also other kinds of people who are very ambitious, like Hitler and who inhabit the other side, the collective supraconscious. Today one person asked Me for mantras. Those who give mantras are deceptive, you should know. Supposing someone gives you a mantra of 'Rama', you’ll never ask them why they’ve given you the mantra of 'Rama'. You will start chanting, “Rama Rama Rama.” Now, Shri Rama does not serve at your pleasure. You are calling Him and summoning Him, what right do you have to do so? Think about it, if you are not authorized, how can you call him? It’s very simple if you want to meet our Prime Minister, can you just go directly up to him and say, ”Morarji, talk to me” [ed- Morarji Desai was the PM of India at that time]. There’s a protocol to meet him, you have to go through so many channels and officials. And the One who is the Prime Minister of Prime Ministers, will He be so easily accessible to you, that you just start calling Him and He will appear? It is very much possible there is a servant named 'Rama' hovering here or there who gets into you, takes on your work and you feel, “Marvelous, now I’m at peace !” You don’t realize that you haven’t really found yourself but another is cohabiting with you, on your body. After five, six years you’ll realize how weak your body has become. So one must be aware of these energies too. After you come to Sahaja Yoga and get your vibrations, you can understand what kind of satanic forces are around you, as well as how the divine energy is carrying you and making you thrive. How the divine energy is navigating for you and bringing you to your destination. This is well worth noticing. You will have these experiences as have the others. So be joyful and have this experience. I had told you about the Nabhi Chakra, that it contains the seeds of our seeking. This is what causes animals to seek food and humans to seek The Divine. The capacity to seek the Divine is in-built in human beings. Whether he accepts or not, the human is seeking God and until this seeking is fulfilled, he will never be satiated. He can keep himself hungering for some time but he will never be at ease until he finds God. Once he starts looking for God, he is supplied from all four directions. You know the kind of people who exist and can sell anything in God’s name and how they can dupe you in the name of God. Regardless of what is published about them in the newspapers or said about them, people still end up at their feet. But why does this happen? It’s a type of hypnosis. They are false, accept that they are false! It becomes very hard to get rid of their effects. Encircling this [Nabhi] in green is the Bhavasagara, which is there in humans too. To cross the Bhavasagara, the Kundalini needs a bridge. That bridge is made only in Sahaja Yoga. When you put your hands towards me or any realized soul, then the vibrations pass through your hands, inside, and make that bridge. The Kundalini uses that bridge to rise up. But not if there is a defect in the bridge or your Nabhi chakra or the surrounding Bhavasagara, which is the seat of self-mastery. We believe that there are ten real Primordial Masters. There are a lot of phonies too. The Kundalini gets stuck here in any person who has gone to these false gurus. Two of their chakras catch, Nabhi and this one [left Swadishthana]. Based on that, if you ask somebody which guru they went to, they will tell you names like Dhonganand, Vonganand, etc. They have such names – God help us! So, then you tell them that their guru is not good, "Because your Kundalini stops at the Nabhi." You have come to us for your realization, isn’t it? Suppose you’ve come to us to get cured, then you’d obviously have to tell us where you went wrong, wouldn’t you? If the Doctor tells you that you ate something sour and it was harmful to you, then will you still argue with the Doctor and insist that it is actually okay to eat something sour? That would be a sign of sheer stupidity. But you will argue about the guru! If you accept for even a minute that if your guru was alright, you would have had your realization! Mother has said that if the guru is a real guru, she can make out from their disciples and their Kundalini. I didn’t know any guru, but when their disciples came before me, I could recognize which guru they came from. There was a guru in Maharashtra who thought no end of himself. He was an ascetic, we are always impressed by ascetics and admire them. I am always nervous about ascetics. I’ve told you that we must stay far away from them. If we come in contact with an ascetic, we’re immediately enamored. We never think of what kind of life this ascetic leads, what he eats, does he exploit people. Just because he’s dressed as an ascetic, is he a holy person? And the Kundalini of their disciples has a typical characteristic that it rises up and falls down again with a bang! The Kundalini has to be tied. Each of the false gurus have typical characteristics, which you can recognize in their disciples. You cannot imagine how many false gurus are there in this world, there are so many. There are some real gurus too. Just today somebody asked me if there were any real gurus and I said there are. In Amarnath, there is one Nagnath Baba. He comes to meet me sometimes. In Maharashtra, there is one Gagangarh Maharaj. In the South, there is one called 'brahmachari'. He lives in Calicut. He’s not a brahmachari. There’s one in Rangoon [Yangon]. There are many such people, but they do not live in society. They live outside the cities, deep in the Jungles. Gagangarh Maharaj would tell everyone that,” Now Mother herself is here, why do you come to me?” When I went to Kolhapur, I thought I’d go up and see him. Then all the disciples started asking me, “Mother you’re so fed up of all the gurus, why do you want to go and meet this one?” I said, ”Just have a look at the vibrations!" It was a seven-mile climb and I said I would climb up to meet him. When these people spread open their hands, coolness started flowing in their hands and we decided to go up. When we reached up there we saw that he was nicely sitting there but he was very angry. He said, “It was raining and You’ve got wet!” See how these people have learned to control the elements, the sun, the rain, this is what these people have done. But they rarely give realization. He’s given realization to just one person. I asked him why he hadn’t given a realization. He said he’d given it to one person then swore not to. He had worked for 25 years on the disciples' chakras, "Actually, it takes him a lot of time. But I don’t! I’m an expert at it!" Poor things! It takes them a lot of time. He was saying that it took him thousands of years to get his vibrations. He said he’d worked on one person named Arnamaharaj. He said that he didn’t want to see his face ever again, "He is busy chasing two women Kamini and Kanchan; after realization and purification!" One day I met him by chance at somebody’s place. He was misbehaving the whole time and had a lot of women around him. He acknowledged that his teacher [Gagangarh Maharaj] came down to Mumbai to meet with Me sometimes. Gagangarh Maharaj is 108 years old. He questioned the necessity for him to come and meet me because he rarely left his seat. This probably means that he got affected whenever Gagangarh Maharaj came down and so he was very unhappy with him. So, when I was ready to leave I suggested that I put kumkum for him and that he should do the same for me. As soon as he put the kumkum for Me, his finger got stuck and started throbbing. He started screaming and asking Me for forgiveness. I warned him that if he spoke badly about his guru again, nobody would be more cross than me. That his Agnya is completely caught up and despite that he was talking ill about others. He should be ashamed, sitting with all those women after having his guru work on him for 25 years. I asked him to leave. Later those women told Me that he demanded that everyone give him 1,250 gms of gold, and Rs 125. I told them that later when he returned, they should beat him with their shoes as many times! I said that although they’d offered him 125 because their hands would ache, they should beat him 125 times! (Mother uses humor.) So, if he could misbehave in this way even after having his realization, then what about those who’ve never even had their realization and have always planned to completely exploit people? They are thieves of the highest kind! Several come out of jail and become gurus! What do you people know? Now, you shouldn’t be upset about hearing the truth but accept it. I am, after all, your Mother and I have to warn you. There’s a guru in every nook and corner. If you find them out and report them to the police then you’ll realize that at least fifty percent of them have actually come out of jail. The ones from Bombay come here and the ones from here go to Bombay (Mumbai). There’s no better way to loot people. Just like Ravana had duped Sitaji! Put a beautiful facade on something that’s ugly and the ugliness gets camouflaged! People from abroad are even more simple than you all. They believe in anyone who calls themselves God. What does it take to call yourself God? Only your tongue! They say it’s been published in the papers, for that too all one has to do is pay the newspaper and one can publish anything. Just because someone is saying something doesn’t mean it’s the truth! Because those people are like that, they believe anything that we say. And here one can say whatever one wants, doesn’t take much. So, this place of the guru, which I call Bhavasagara has to be understood. That is why I have been saying openly, from 1970, even taking their names and disclosing their wrongdoings. Openly! And nobody till now has had the guts to file a lawsuit against me, or report me to the police or take any other action. Openly, I’m taking people’s names and saying what kind of crooks' people are. Nobody has had the guts! People have been coming and cautioning Me that I’ll be murdered because of this. Let Me see who murders Me! Nobody has complained or uttered a sound against me because they know that I know what they really are. Their disciples can go against me but not those people themselves. Those people are sitting mum. They’re all one worse than the other and they are all looting you and making a fool of you. So, become aware and be alert, don’t get involved with them! There’s no need to feel offended. I’m a Mother and I will tell you the complete truth whether you like it or not. It would be easy for me to please you by saying that everyone is good. Those people don’t criticize anyone, why would they? They’re only interested in your wallet! They want to make you dance on their fingertips, why would they say you’re bad? Christ had said that those who live in the house of Satan will never speak ill of each other. But Kabir, Nanak, and Christ all spoke up! It is because they are all false. It’s not a bad thing to earn money, they can become smugglers, I don’t mind. But they spoil your Kundalini. They interfere with your right to attain God and Sahaja Yoga and that’s why I’m against them. Now above this is the Heart Chakra. The heart is separate from the chakra and that is where the Spirit resides. It knows everything about us and that’s why it’s called Kshetragnya. It is a witness. It knows what we’re doing and what we’re not. After the awakening of the Kundalini, your awareness merges with the Spirit. Till now you have been separated and disconnected from the Spirit. You haven’t been aware of It. Once the Kundalini is awakened, the Spirit comes into your awareness. Because the Spirit is all-knowing, you become all-knowing too. (Unclear.) The Heart Chakra is in the center and is where your Mother, the Devi Jagadamba is placed. She is well known in the hilly regions and this is where she is placed. She has incarnated several times in this world She protected those people who were seeking God and were lost in the Bhavnagar and were troubled by evil forces. She protects. If someone feels insecure, then this chakra starts thumping. If a woman is insecure, she develops breast cancer. Asthma is also caused as a result of something going wrong in this chakra, a combination of this and this chakra which we call Vishuddhi. Asthma can be cured within two minutes! The Governor of Kashmir, Mr. Sahai had asthma since 25 years and I cured it in a second! One second! When this chakra gets awakened, when Jagdamba gets awakened in you then you are secured, you feel secure and that’s why this chakra is of paramount importance. You can read about correcting this chakra in English, in our pamphlet. This chakra improves after the awakening of this mantra. The chakra above this one is very significant for human beings. It’s at the back here and is called Vishuddhi Chakra. It has 16000 sub plexuses and is the chakra of Shri Krishna. Shri Radha and Krishna are placed here. On the left side is His sister, Vishnumaya, or Adimaya, And Shri Krishna [Vitthala] and Rukmini are placed on the right. Shri Ramachandra is away from the Sushmna and placed this side on the right, the right side of the Heart Chakra because as you know He removed all the aspects of His avatar to become a complete human being. He called himself ‘Maryada Purushottam’ [ideal human being]; although He was an avatar. All the evolution has taken place from the Nabhi Chakra. The Dashavataras [10 incarnations of Shri Vishnu] started from the Nabhi Chakra The sixth incarnation was that of Shri Rama. That took place here. Then after that was the avatar of Shri Krishna. Before Krishna was the avatar of Parashurama. His incarnation was necessary too because it was needed for someone to come into the world and set people right using their might. Because the human mind isn’t always straightforward. So, He used the strength of his might to prepare people first. After that, He talked about Shri Rama. In this way, they both came together. Because Shri Rama lived like a human, Parashurama’s divine incarnation came simultaneously to let Shri Rama’s incarnation be known. After that Shri Krishna incarnated on our Vishuddhi Chakra. The Vishuddhi Chakra is pivotal because the human became a human from an animal by lifting his head. Shri Krishna is the epitome of the Virata, the ‘Whole’. Supposing this [brain] is the Virata and you are all tiny nerves in It, then you are also part and parcel of the Virata. Once you’re enlightened, you become connected to the Virata. That is the Divine Power that I’m telling you about and also the Kingdom of God. Once all Its nerves are enlightened, then the entire Virata comes awake. This is the strength of the Virata. The slogan of Allah hu Akbar as given by Prophet Mohammed is the mantra of the Virata. These Vishuddhi fingers are Its fingers, they catch whenever someone has problems with the Vishuddhi. When you put the Vishuddhi fingers in the ears, tilt your head back and call out ‘Allah hu Akbar’ – 'Akbar' means 'Virata' – then the Vishuddhi Chakra opens instantly. Your Dehradun has a lot of Vishuddhi Chakra. There are several reasons for this and you can try to understand them. One of them could be that you smoke too much or chew tobacco, that spoils the Vishuddhi chakra. The second could be that you do some wrong kind of meditation and take the wrong mantras. The third reason can be that you don’t really care if you get a cough and a cold and you eat things that you shouldn’t be. The Vishuddhi Chakra also catches if someone feels inferior. If he thinks that he is not part of the Virata. When he cannot understand that if he is a drop then he can also be the ocean; that’s when the Vishuddhi catches. It is called, having an inferiority complex. The fifth reason can be when he’s disrespectful towards women, then his left Vishuddhi catches. When a person speaks harshly and behaves arrogantly, then too the Vishuddhi Chakra catches. These are various reasons. But that’s not our concern if someone wears strange necklaces. Yesterday one person visited me who was wearing a necklace and someone was sitting with him. I asked him to remove the necklace but he became upset. "Yes, it was you." Later, he took it off. "Then I asked you but you were sitting quietly wearing it inside." So, I asked him where his father was. He’d passed away. I asked if he was wearing something given by his father; he accepted he was wearing a necklace given by his father. He was completely awed and admitted to having received the necklace from a guru through his father! It showed on the finger! "How that is very simple?" "On the right hand, this finger is connected to the heart, to the father, and to Shri Rama and it was glinting. And it was so bright that I knew you had something or the other given to you by your father. Even you will gain this understanding. Even those girls had told you so before I did. And that’s how this chakra was caught up." The minute he removed the necklace, he got his realization. (Inaudible.) People get stuck on small things. I told you to leave that Kashi business, you didn’t. I’m waiting to give you the highest and you’re still stuck with small things! Do I really need to tell you what the pandits in Kashi are like, don’t you know? And the dirt that they give you, do I need to tell you what good it is? They sell anything that costs a paisa for a rupee and they are such wicked people. They’ve spoilt the vibrations of all the temples! Should you feel bad when you are told this? You shouldn’t feel bad about anything that’s told to you for your own good. I’m doing all this for your emancipation. People have taken such trivial things to heart. I was telling you about the Vishuddhi Chakra that is the Virata. Above that is a very important chakra. It is the Agnya Chakra. The Agnya Chakra is very tight and it is hard for the Kundalini to pass through it. When the Ego and Superego press it from both sides then this chakra becomes even tighter. When a person doesn’t forgive and keeps thinking day in and day out how another person has troubled and tortured him, such a person’s Agnya Chakra gets completely caught up. The Agnya Chakra is also a bit physically weak in people who wear glasses. This Agnya Chakra has many aspects. If you read the book I have, you will know. These people have written extensively about it. This Agnya Chakra is the seat of Mahavishnu. But you all don’t really know about Mahavishnu. But those who’ve read the Devi Bhagwat would’ve read about Mahavishnu. He is considered a great incarnation. He is the son of Radhaji. That He is going to come into the World was predicted fourteen thousand years ago. He is verily Isa Maseeh [Jesus Christ]. Isa Maseeh is the incarnation of Mahavishnu. How will you know if this is true or it’s a lie? It is actually very easy. Once you have your vibrations, just ask, “Is Isa Maseeh the incarnation of Mahavishnu? Is He on the Agnya chakra?” The vibrations have started right away! The Lord’s prayer is the mantra for the Agnya Chakra. But He is made of Aum and the Pranava [vibrations]. That means that He is the incarnation of Ganesha. He took a physical form and came to emancipate this world. Because He is made of Aum and Pranava, when He died, He was resurrected. And Krishna is His Father because He had said that the Aum and Pranava cannot be cut by any weapon nor destroyed by anything and so to prove Him right, Mahavishnu incarnated in this world. Krishna was His father and therefore He was called Christ. And, Radhaji called him Yeshu after Yashoda. His mother was Radha, the incarnation of Mahalakshmi. They are all part of us and they should be known. However, Pranava is formless as is the Aum. There’s a lot of conflict between ‘form and formless’ and that is why I want to address it otherwise the conflict will continue permanently. Especially in Dehradun, I see ‘Sanatan dharma’ and ‘Arya dharma’ [different sects of Hinduism], etc continually arguing. Although none of them have achieved it. They’ve been arguing for centuries but neither has achieved it. I haven’t seen anyone getting that fulfillment. The concept of ‘form and formless’ should be explained so that these conflicts get resolved. When our right channel was being created, the five elements had to be awakened. You know these five elements; all of this creation was made with them. So, these five elements had to be awakened with yAgnyas from the Vedas, and prayers and praises were recited. The five elements were awakened with yAgnyas. It was necessary to awaken these five elements, the fire, the water. It was only after they were awakened that human beings could have put them to use. Agriculture started after that as did the idea of science. If our Pingala Nadi hadn’t been awakened we wouldn’t have researched into science nor known how to use these five elements; how to make electricity and how to use fire. We wouldn’t have known fire, let alone how to make it! So that we become capable of making all this, that’s why the right side had to be worshipped. That’s why yAgnyas were performed and because all these energies are formless, that’s why the ‘formless’ was worshipped at that time. Once these were awakened, people wondered what to do next. Then meditation started and people came to the Central path. Once they started progressing on the Sushumna, they could see where the Deities were seated and that the bodies of the chakras were made of these five elements. When they studied the Elements, they realized that they were governed by Deities. After that, they got to know these Deities one after the other, through meditation. Then they claimed that they had forms so the focus shifted from the formless to form. Those whose awareness evolved came to the ‘form’. Then you know what happened to the ones who started believing in the ‘forms’. Worship this! Worship that! Ritualism came into being. Blind faith and religious fanaticism came into being and things were in a miserable state. Then there was a great revolution and not only that, Mohammed Saheb took His birth. Christ came into this world. These people said that the 'formless' is to be worshipped and to do away with the ‘form’. There was a lot of secrecy in this matter at that time. However, the Bible says that all that is made by the Earth and the Sky should not be replicated and worshipped. If Christians could understand this and apply this understanding to the practice of idol worship! What has the Earth made? The Earth has made all the Swayambhus. Now tell the Christians that the Earth has made the Swayambhus herself and if you make their replicas, they are not worthy of worship because they’re imperfect. These things have a coefficient too. Forms have a coefficient because of which there is a flow of the Chaitanya [divine energy]. It is impossible to replicate those forms in exactly the same way. Also, the one who makes them should be a realized soul who should not put his creation up for sale. Keeping this in mind, mostly all the idols that we worship are of zero value. Now if you go to Raanjhana and see the Ganesh, he is exactly like Shri Ganesha and he has come out of the Earth. Nobody has ever touched Him. This has been known for ages. I Myself went to see this Shri Ganesha. There are such tremendous vibrations there as though a live Shri Ganesha is sitting there, the vibrations are so tremendous. That’s why it was advised not to replicate these idols. Now, what do we do? We see anything, replicate it into an idol, and start worshipping it! We never see if the Chaitanya is flowing or not, if it has the coefficients or if it is awakened! That’s why idol worship is prohibited. This is what happened at the time of Jesus Christ in those days. Because idol worship meant all kinds of ritualism. Now the stone at Kabbah is a genuine Shiva Linga. It’s a genuine Shiva Linga that came out of the Earth and the Prophet, Mohammed knew about it. The Shiva Lingas that are authentic are authentic but every other person tries to replicate them in clay or in stone. This is not permitted. That‘s why idol worship can be a hindrance. Those who are against idol worship are correct in so far as saying that the idols that are not original should not be worshipped. But to say that God has no form is extremely wrong. It means that you have gone to one extreme. The reason for that was different. When people started worshipping the ‘form’, they realized that they’d gone astray. Suppose I ask you to bring some honey and I describe the flower to you. You find the flower and bring it and then start worshipping it. But you still haven’t got the honey. You can’t get the honey just by talking about and discussing the flowers. So then they felt that since they haven’t got the honey, they should talk about the honey. So then they started talking about the ‘formless’ and that too just remained talk, a futile mental exercise. Whether you talk about the flower or you talk about the honey, you can’t get the honey unless you yourself become a honey harvester. Until you yourself become worthy of receiving the honey, you will not get the honey. The flower is important as is the honey. And to receive the honey you too should have developed into what is called, a honey harvester! One can argue for the sake of arguing! But the Truth is absolute and irrefutable. How can one argue in the present day about what people were doing in the past, at the time when they were enlightening the five elements? There’s no need for that. It is absolutely true that God incarnates, comes into the World, and emancipates human beings. This is the eternal truth as is the fact that yAgnyas are done to purify the five elements in ourselves. Because if your chakras aren’t pure then My talking to you is pointless. Purifying the chakras is necessary as is to know the Spirit. If this is understood then all debate can come to an end. All the confusion you’ve caused by writing so many pointless books can come to an end too. Yesterday a gentleman came to Me and said that he recites the Gayatri Mantra. What for? He’s also unable to get his realization. I advised him to ask about Gayatri Devi. He said he didn’t believe that She had a ‘form’. What is the basis for you to disbelieve? Because you’re born in an Arya Samaji family [Arya Samaj- monotheistic Indian Hindu reform] you become an Arya Samaji! Where has man’s freedom gone? Because you’re born a Hindu, you practice Hinduism! Maybe you could have been born a Muslim or maybe have been born here in Africa. If you have no past lives, you could have been born anywhere! Maybe in your last life, you were a staunch Muslim, and now you’re a staunch Brahmin. Anything’s possible! And that’s what happens! Humans go from one extreme to the other extreme! From one fanatic idea to the other! But Truth is not a fanatic idea, it is reality! It should be seen for what it is through discretion and common sense. We have to achieve that which is the truth and accept it and forget about that which is the untruth. This is what is happening today. The youth doesn’t believe in God and nor are they interested in what I’m saying in the beginning. This is happening in the whole world and not just here. In many places that people don’t believe in God anymore. There is an engineer from Algeria who is my disciple and comes from a Muslim background. All the educated people from that place, engineers. doctors, architects, etc, do not believe in God. He was one of them. Somehow, he met Me and got his realization. When someone moves from blind faith to atheism, then Sahaja Yoga can catch such a person midway. After he experienced reality, he gave realization to five hundred more people there in Algeria, who are all Muslims. Who worship Shri Vishnu and also know Mohammed? It is not because I have said so but because that’s the way it is. If you have cancer of the stomach and you’re a religious fanatic, you will have to take the name of Prophet Mohammed. If you don’t then I cannot cure you. If you are a Muslim with stomach cancer then you will have to take the name of Shri Dattatreya and of Shri Vishnu, regardless of whether you’re a Muslim or anything else. Nobody can own any form of God saying, "This is mine." He hasn’t been understood and ["religions"] have been made. And now religion itself has been turned into politics so God save us! Those people who politicize religion, ask them whether they know anything about religion at all. Religion should not be politicized! I told you about the Vishuddhi Chakra, now let me tell you about Agnya Chakra. When the Kundalini pierces the Agnya Chakra, then one becomes ‘thoughtless’. ‘Thoughtlessness’ settles in you. This chakra also catches a lot here. Don’t know why but you don’t forgive enough. You must forgive. It’s very important to be forgiving. Because if we’re not forgiving then the Almighty doesn’t forgive us either. Agreed that we have a lot of painful experiences in life, but we must forgive so that the Almighty also forgives us. Otherwise, why should the Almighty forgive our mistakes? This is also a reason why the Agnya Chakra catches. To be forgiving is very essential. That is why I tell you over and again to forgive, to forgive completely. Finally, you have the chakra called Sahastrara, which is made of a thousand petals. According to the doctors, there are 982 or 992 nerves and they call it a thousand. They are continually arguing about it. There are 1000 petals that open on that lotus. They have many different colors and when they open, the Kundalini passes through them and pierces the Brahmarandra. It is called 'Brahma – Randra'. 'Randra' means 'an opening'. 'Brahma' means 'the All-Pervading Power that acts'. The Almighty’s Power that is all-pervading and is inherent in you and you. And as soon as it pierces, this power gets established and even you can tell who has what problem. This collective consciousness gets awakened in you and it’s not through a lecture! This event will take place today. Today is my last day here as I will be going to Delhi. I had asked yesterday for some people to get together and allocate a place in someone’s house. Even a small place that can be used as a Centre where everyone can meet. We don’t need to have a very big place, there just needs to be an address where everyone can meet, then Dehradun’s Centre can start functioning and this work can take place in Dehradun too. I will even send a few people from Delhi who can come, explain everything to you, and help you. Many kinds of illnesses can be cured through this. Cancer and all kinds of illnesses get cured. They will teach you everything and you too should become enlightened and progress. I have never done this kind of experiment where I go to a new place where there are no Sahaja Yogis. This is the first experiment of this sort and the reason for this is that my grand-daughter attends school here. Last time I was here I thought that this place is very much a land of penances and there would be nothing to lose by starting here. And some people immersed themselves completely to start this and it worked out. If there can be one such address where everyone can meet, just a normal home would be sufficient. Those who get their realization here can get together and identify such an address. Then something can be started which is in the town and not too far away. After that, older yogis can start visiting to guide you and you can progress. Now see this gentleman sitting here, note his experience. This morning he wasn’t feeling any vibrations and there was some obstacle. Then someone, one of our foreigners, advised him to ask who Mataji is. He just had to say that and tremendous vibrations started flowing! He was also amused at it. This is the way miracles happen. Even a small thing can become an obstacle just as you stop seeing anything even if a very small particle of something falls in your eye. We remain obstructed through small things. Even If there are any small hindrances, we easily get stuck. So, we should remove them and they can be removed You all should remain sitting with your hands like this and I’ll attend to you in a moment. If you have any questions, ask them. But not unnecessarily as it is a waste of time. That which needs to happen in you should happen, it is your own birthright and you should receive it. People get stuck on very small details like she was asking why Shri Mataji was wearing a diamond ring. I do have a lot of rings and my husband wants me to be bejeweled as he earns well. All those who know my husband, know that he’s a very honest man, he’s never earned anything dishonestly. Surprisingly, that ring-stone isn’t a real diamond, it’s fake. Someone gave it to me with love so I put it on. See this is how one gets into Maya [illusions]. I have a lot of real diamonds but that day I was wearing a fake one out of love I never take a single paisa from anyone and nor can you give Me anything. My husband is very wealthy as was my father. If I have a lot of jewelry, I do wear a little bit, far less than I can. But my husband likes to see me bejeweled and well dressed as I’m a married woman so I do it for him. In any case, I’m not an ascetic or someone who has renounced the world. I’m not taking anything from you to dress Myself. I dress as I should traditionally, I’m not an ascetic and nor have I renounced the world. Also, I don’t need to tell any lies. So, what is the point of asking me why I’ve worn this and why I’ve worn that? Those people who are very informed on such matters are actually thieves. This isn’t a circus where people dress up as clowns and deceive you and you get befooled by their appearances. Here, you should understand that you are the one who has to receive – not me. I’m here to give. If you don’t get it then it’s a discredit to you. It will be your bad luck, not mine. This morning I told you that I don’t need anything from you, not even your vote! Nothing! Nor am I standing for any election! I don’t need fame! But as a Mother I’m telling you only to receive that which is hidden in you and is yours. If you can understand your mother then you can also understand Me. I’m not here to impress you and anyway, what would I gain from that? What are you going to give me, first tell me that? I was so surprised that a well- educated lady should talk this way. It’s very surprising! That’s probably why in this birth, my husband has such a prominent position so that I don’t need to. But people are so foolish, so foolish that they don’t even want to recognize the truth.

English Translation from Hindi. Seminar (Hindi). Dheradun, UP, India. 4 March 1979. (Shri Mataji asks the audience to sit comfortably with their hands open.) I had told you this morning that Shri Ganesha is placed on the first chakra of the Kundalini. He is the giver of purity and is purity itself. This chakra is below the Kundalini. Not only does it safeguard the Kundalini but it is also vigilant towards anyone who tries to get to the Kundalini from that side. Nobody can reach the Kundalini from that way. And as I told you this morning, those who try to do so, commit a grave sin. Although they can earn some money out of it, the sins they amass can become the cause of grave misfortune. Who is going to show them? The second chakra, which I told you was Swadishthana, is used for thinking. When we use our brains to think, we use the grey matter which is made of fat globules. These fat globules are made from abdominal fat. This chakra converts fat from the abdomen to fat for the brain. So thinking puts a lot of strain on this chakra. If one gets used to thinking a lot, as is common in these modern times, then it has to work so hard that all the other functions of this chakra get affected. As I had said, diabetes is the result of this malfunction because this chakra governs the functioning of the pancreas. Because this chakra is busy with this function, other functions get adversely affected. One of them is the pancreas, the spleen, the upper part of the liver and kidneys. So, too much thinking and planning aren’t good for the health of the body. And also from the perspective of the society, because men overthink when they don’t believe in the Divine. After a point, things must be surrendered to the Almighty. The Devi Mahatmyam says, "Sankalp vikalp karo" [ed- Man proposes, God disposes]. Now, there’s a person, he’s going somewhere for work and plans everything. He has an accident on the way and hurts his hand and is unable to go. That which has to happen will happen. You may plan a lot but not reach on time, and then it doesn’t work out. That is why we shouldn’t be obstinate, that we will do this work, come what may and that it has to work out. Hurdles come up in that. Once you enter the Kingdom of God, then His ways work out and you know everything about where you have to go and what you have to do because it is His planning that works. If that person had his realization, he would never have gone that way, he would’ve never left at that time. This will happen, you observe it! Keep making a note. Ever since people got their realization, they have experienced that even if they have an accident, they never get hurt and are completely safe. Many people never even get into such situations, they either reach there late or something happens and they don’t get there. Such are the blessings of realization. Now you are in the Kingdom of God and just as your government looks after you, the Almighty looks after you, His government looks after you. In this way, mishaps are avoided. Actually, there are always satanic forces after every good person. You can see that in life, there are always satanic forces after the good. There’s no way to protect yourself from them, except to come under the protection of God. It’s because of satanic forces that you all are undergoing hardships and that they are after you and troubling you. You have no way to save yourself from them. They and their powers are very subtle and you can never say when they’ll attack you or trouble you. You cannot even comprehend them. But they do affect you and when they do, you realize that you couldn’t have predicted that things would turn out the way they did. So to save yourself, if God’s protection is around you, then there’s no question of whether you are protected or not. Of course, you die when you have to, that’s another thing. But when a realized person dies, it isn’t through his nose, mouth, or eyes, it is through his Sahastrara. There’s no bleeding through the nose. Until now in Sahaja Yoga, you’ll be surprised that only two or three people have died, I know thousands of people. That too at the age of seventy – seventy-five. One died at ninety-eight and the other at seventy-three. You’re blessed with longevity. Sudden death is caused by satanic forces. Because you have no inkling about them, they can come at any moment and attack you and you become miserable. They upset everything because they have a plan of their own. You may have planned to do something noble but they always come and interfere But if you haven’t planned anything from before! They can read your mind. Satanic forces can read your mind. To the extent that if you talk to Me, somebody will come up to you and tell you that they know what conversation you had with Me. He can read your mind. Immediately he’d be able to tell you what we’d talked to each other. Because you’ve planned everything in your mind, they can read your mind and they know exactly what way you’re going to take to reach where you want to go. That’s why you have to be secretive. You have no idea how prevalent the satanic forces are in this world. All these rakshasas who call themselves gurus are all satanic. They have powers of hypnosis and they are satanic. These are satanic powers and they have an effect on you. In order to recognize these satanic powers, you’ll have to come to Sahaja Yoga. You can then recognize where you’re being attacked from. Now these doctors, these psychologists are unaware that every crazy person has bhoots in them. They neither understand nor believe all this and therefore get affected by these bhoots. Today a psychiatrist came to meet me, those poor people do not know how to protect themselves. Now suppose somebody is affected by TB, so we protect ourselves against it otherwise we may contract the disease. But these satanic forces, we neither recognize them and nor do we know how to protect ourselves against them. However, our ancestors knew how to. But we have become westernized as I had mentioned, and so we do not have this knowledge. We do not know how satanic forces act in this world and how they trouble us. But in front of the Almighty, nothing is powerful. He is the most powerful and when you are his citizens, then He protects you and looks after you. But He is always looking after you, anyway. That’s why a good person could get just a small hurt or something small may happen [in place of something big] – as it happened to you. You know how little children hardly ever get seriously hurt even if they fall from a height, it is said that they are looked after by angels. Especially if they are realized souls, like this child who was born realized. There are many like her. She’s always been a bit sick since childhood because she was always attacked by satanic forces. As I mentioned this morning, we have the left and right channels and if we veer too much onto the left side we go into the collective subconscious and if we go too much towards the right then we go to the collective supraconscious. The subconscious is inhabited by dissatisfied people whose souls are still hovering around. These are really depraved souls. There are also other kinds of people who are very ambitious, like Hitler and who inhabit the other side, the collective supraconscious. Today one person asked Me for mantras. Those who give mantras are deceptive, you should know. Supposing someone gives you a mantra of 'Rama', you’ll never ask them why they’ve given you the mantra of 'Rama'. You will start chanting, “Rama Rama Rama.” Now, Shri Rama does not serve at your pleasure. You are calling Him and summoning Him, what right do you have to do so? Think about it, if you are not authorized, how can you call him? It’s very simple if you want to meet our Prime Minister, can you just go directly up to him and say, ”Morarji, talk to me” [ed- Morarji Desai was the PM of India at that time]. There’s a protocol to meet him, you have to go through so many channels and officials. And the One who is the Prime Minister of Prime Ministers, will He be so easily accessible to you, that you just start calling Him and He will appear? It is very much possible there is a servant named 'Rama' hovering here or there who gets into you, takes on your work and you feel, “Marvelous, now I’m at peace !” You don’t realize that you haven’t really found yourself but another is cohabiting with you, on your body. After five, six years you’ll realize how weak your body has become. So one must be aware of these energies too. After you come to Sahaja Yoga and get your vibrations, you can understand what kind of satanic forces are around you, as well as how the divine energy is carrying you and making you thrive. How the divine energy is navigating for you and bringing you to your destination. This is well worth noticing. You will have these experiences as have the others. So be joyful and have this experience. I had told you about the Nabhi Chakra, that it contains the seeds of our seeking. This is what causes animals to seek food and humans to seek The Divine. The capacity to seek the Divine is in-built in human beings. Whether he accepts or not, the human is seeking God and until this seeking is fulfilled, he will never be satiated. He can keep himself hungering for some time but he will never be at ease until he finds God. Once he starts looking for God, he is supplied from all four directions. You know the kind of people who exist and can sell anything in God’s name and how they can dupe you in the name of God. Regardless of what is published about them in the newspapers or said about them, people still end up at their feet. But why does this happen? It’s a type of hypnosis. They are false, accept that they are false! It becomes very hard to get rid of their effects. Encircling this [Nabhi] in green is the Bhavasagara, which is there in humans too. To cross the Bhavasagara, the Kundalini needs a bridge. That bridge is made only in Sahaja Yoga. When you put your hands towards me or any realized soul, then the vibrations pass through your hands, inside, and make that bridge. The Kundalini uses that bridge to rise up. But not if there is a defect in the bridge or your Nabhi chakra or the surrounding Bhavasagara, which is the seat of self-mastery. We believe that there are ten real Primordial Masters. There are a lot of phonies too. The Kundalini gets stuck here in any person who has gone to these false gurus. Two of their chakras catch, Nabhi and this one [left Swadishthana]. Based on that, if you ask somebody which guru they went to, they will tell you names like Dhonganand, Vonganand, etc. They have such names – God help us! So, then you tell them that their guru is not good, "Because your Kundalini stops at the Nabhi." You have come to us for your realization, isn’t it? Suppose you’ve come to us to get cured, then you’d obviously have to tell us where you went wrong, wouldn’t you? If the Doctor tells you that you ate something sour and it was harmful to you, then will you still argue with the Doctor and insist that it is actually okay to eat something sour? That would be a sign of sheer stupidity. But you will argue about the guru! If you accept for even a minute that if your guru was alright, you would have had your realization! Mother has said that if the guru is a real guru, she can make out from their disciples and their Kundalini. I didn’t know any guru, but when their disciples came before me, I could recognize which guru they came from. There was a guru in Maharashtra who thought no end of himself. He was an ascetic, we are always impressed by ascetics and admire them. I am always nervous about ascetics. I’ve told you that we must stay far away from them. If we come in contact with an ascetic, we’re immediately enamored. We never think of what kind of life this ascetic leads, what he eats, does he exploit people. Just because he’s dressed as an ascetic, is he a holy person? And the Kundalini of their disciples has a typical characteristic that it rises up and falls down again with a bang! The Kundalini has to be tied. Each of the false gurus have typical characteristics, which you can recognize in their disciples. You cannot imagine how many false gurus are there in this world, there are so many. There are some real gurus too. Just today somebody asked me if there were any real gurus and I said there are. In Amarnath, there is one Nagnath Baba. He comes to meet me sometimes. In Maharashtra, there is one Gagangarh Maharaj. In the South, there is one called 'brahmachari'. He lives in Calicut. He’s not a brahmachari. There’s one in Rangoon [Yangon]. There are many such people, but they do not live in society. They live outside the cities, deep in the Jungles. Gagangarh Maharaj would tell everyone that,” Now Mother herself is here, why do you come to me?” When I went to Kolhapur, I thought I’d go up and see him. Then all the disciples started asking me, “Mother you’re so fed up of all the gurus, why do you want to go and meet this one?” I said, ”Just have a look at the vibrations!" It was a seven-mile climb and I said I would climb up to meet him. When these people spread open their hands, coolness started flowing in their hands and we decided to go up. When we reached up there we saw that he was nicely sitting there but he was very angry. He said, “It was raining and You’ve got wet!” See how these people have learned to control the elements, the sun, the rain, this is what these people have done. But they rarely give realization. He’s given realization to just one person. I asked him why he hadn’t given a realization. He said he’d given it to one person then swore not to. He had worked for 25 years on the disciples' chakras, "Actually, it takes him a lot of time. But I don’t! I’m an expert at it!" Poor things! It takes them a lot of time. He was saying that it took him thousands of years to get his vibrations. He said he’d worked on one person named Arnamaharaj. He said that he didn’t want to see his face ever again, "He is busy chasing two women Kamini and Kanchan; after realization and purification!" One day I met him by chance at somebody’s place. He was misbehaving the whole time and had a lot of women around him. He acknowledged that his teacher [Gagangarh Maharaj] came down to Mumbai to meet with Me sometimes. Gagangarh Maharaj is 108 years old. He questioned the necessity for him to come and meet me because he rarely left his seat. This probably means that he got affected whenever Gagangarh Maharaj came down and so he was very unhappy with him. So, when I was ready to leave I suggested that I put kumkum for him and that he should do the same for me. As soon as he put the kumkum for Me, his finger got stuck and started throbbing. He started screaming and asking Me for forgiveness. I warned him that if he spoke badly about his guru again, nobody would be more cross than me. That his Agnya is completely caught up and despite that he was talking ill about others. He should be ashamed, sitting with all those women after having his guru work on him for 25 years. I asked him to leave. Later those women told Me that he demanded that everyone give him 1,250 gms of gold, and Rs 125. I told them that later when he returned, they should beat him with their shoes as many times! I said that although they’d offered him 125 because their hands would ache, they should beat him 125 times! (Mother uses humor.) So, if he could misbehave in this way even after having his realization, then what about those who’ve never even had their realization and have always planned to completely exploit people? They are thieves of the highest kind! Several come out of jail and become gurus! What do you people know? Now, you shouldn’t be upset about hearing the truth but accept it. I am, after all, your Mother and I have to warn you. There’s a guru in every nook and corner. If you find them out and report them to the police then you’ll realize that at least fifty percent of them have actually come out of jail. The ones from Bombay come here and the ones from here go to Bombay (Mumbai). There’s no better way to loot people. Just like Ravana had duped Sitaji! Put a beautiful facade on something that’s ugly and the ugliness gets camouflaged! People from abroad are even more simple than you all. They believe in anyone who calls themselves God. What does it take to call yourself God? Only your tongue! They say it’s been published in the papers, for that too all one has to do is pay the newspaper and one can publish anything. Just because someone is saying something doesn’t mean it’s the truth! Because those people are like that, they believe anything that we say. And here one can say whatever one wants, doesn’t take much. So, this place of the guru, which I call Bhavasagara has to be understood. That is why I have been saying openly, from 1970, even taking their names and disclosing their wrongdoings. Openly! And nobody till now has had the guts to file a lawsuit against me, or report me to the police or take any other action. Openly, I’m taking people’s names and saying what kind of crooks' people are. Nobody has had the guts! People have been coming and cautioning Me that I’ll be murdered because of this. Let Me see who murders Me! Nobody has complained or uttered a sound against me because they know that I know what they really are. Their disciples can go against me but not those people themselves. Those people are sitting mum. They’re all one worse than the other and they are all looting you and making a fool of you. So, become aware and be alert, don’t get involved with them! There’s no need to feel offended. I’m a Mother and I will tell you the complete truth whether you like it or not. It would be easy for me to please you by saying that everyone is good. Those people don’t criticize anyone, why would they? They’re only interested in your wallet! They want to make you dance on their fingertips, why would they say you’re bad? Christ had said that those who live in the house of Satan will never speak ill of each other. But Kabir, Nanak, and Christ all spoke up! It is because they are all false. It’s not a bad thing to earn money, they can become smugglers, I don’t mind. But they spoil your Kundalini. They interfere with your right to attain God and Sahaja Yoga and that’s why I’m against them. Now above this is the Heart Chakra. The heart is separate from the chakra and that is where the Spirit resides. It knows everything about us and that’s why it’s called Kshetragnya. It is a witness. It knows what we’re doing and what we’re not. After the awakening of the Kundalini, your awareness merges with the Spirit. Till now you have been separated and disconnected from the Spirit. You haven’t been aware of It. Once the Kundalini is awakened, the Spirit comes into your awareness. Because the Spirit is all-knowing, you become all-knowing too. (Unclear.) The Heart Chakra is in the center and is where your Mother, the Devi Jagadamba is placed. She is well known in the hilly regions and this is where she is placed. She has incarnated several times in this world She protected those people who were seeking God and were lost in the Bhavnagar and were troubled by evil forces. She protects. If someone feels insecure, then this chakra starts thumping. If a woman is insecure, she develops breast cancer. Asthma is also caused as a result of something going wrong in this chakra, a combination of this and this chakra which we call Vishuddhi. Asthma can be cured within two minutes! The Governor of Kashmir, Mr. Sahai had asthma since 25 years and I cured it in a second! One second! When this chakra gets awakened, when Jagdamba gets awakened in you then you are secured, you feel secure and that’s why this chakra is of paramount importance. You can read about correcting this chakra in English, in our pamphlet. This chakra improves after the awakening of this mantra. The chakra above this one is very significant for human beings. It’s at the back here and is called Vishuddhi Chakra. It has 16000 sub plexuses and is the chakra of Shri Krishna. Shri Radha and Krishna are placed here. On the left side is His sister, Vishnumaya, or Adimaya, And Shri Krishna [Vitthala] and Rukmini are placed on the right. Shri Ramachandra is away from the Sushmna and placed this side on the right, the right side of the Heart Chakra because as you know He removed all the aspects of His avatar to become a complete human being. He called himself ‘Maryada Purushottam’ [ideal human being]; although He was an avatar. All the evolution has taken place from the Nabhi Chakra. The Dashavataras [10 incarnations of Shri Vishnu] started from the Nabhi Chakra The sixth incarnation was that of Shri Rama. That took place here. Then after that was the avatar of Shri Krishna. Before Krishna was the avatar of Parashurama. His incarnation was necessary too because it was needed for someone to come into the world and set people right using their might. Because the human mind isn’t always straightforward. So, He used the strength of his might to prepare people first. After that, He talked about Shri Rama. In this way, they both came together. Because Shri Rama lived like a human, Parashurama’s divine incarnation came simultaneously to let Shri Rama’s incarnation be known. After that Shri Krishna incarnated on our Vishuddhi Chakra. The Vishuddhi Chakra is pivotal because the human became a human from an animal by lifting his head. Shri Krishna is the epitome of the Virata, the ‘Whole’. Supposing this [brain] is the Virata and you are all tiny nerves in It, then you are also part and parcel of the Virata. Once you’re enlightened, you become connected to the Virata. That is the Divine Power that I’m telling you about and also the Kingdom of God. Once all Its nerves are enlightened, then the entire Virata comes awake. This is the strength of the Virata. The slogan of Allah hu Akbar as given by Prophet Mohammed is the mantra of the Virata. These Vishuddhi fingers are Its fingers, they catch whenever someone has problems with the Vishuddhi. When you put the Vishuddhi fingers in the ears, tilt your head back and call out ‘Allah hu Akbar’ – 'Akbar' means 'Virata' – then the Vishuddhi Chakra opens instantly. Your Dehradun has a lot of Vishuddhi Chakra. There are several reasons for this and you can try to understand them. One of them could be that you smoke too much or chew tobacco, that spoils the Vishuddhi chakra. The second could be that you do some wrong kind of meditation and take the wrong mantras. The third reason can be that you don’t really care if you get a cough and a cold and you eat things that you shouldn’t be. The Vishuddhi Chakra also catches if someone feels inferior. If he thinks that he is not part of the Virata. When he cannot understand that if he is a drop then he can also be the ocean; that’s when the Vishuddhi catches. It is called, having an inferiority complex. The fifth reason can be when he’s disrespectful towards women, then his left Vishuddhi catches. When a person speaks harshly and behaves arrogantly, then too the Vishuddhi Chakra catches. These are various reasons. But that’s not our concern if someone wears strange necklaces. Yesterday one person visited me who was wearing a necklace and someone was sitting with him. I asked him to remove the necklace but he became upset. "Yes, it was you." Later, he took it off. "Then I asked you but you were sitting quietly wearing it inside." So, I asked him where his father was. He’d passed away. I asked if he was wearing something given by his father; he accepted he was wearing a necklace given by his father. He was completely awed and admitted to having received the necklace from a guru through his father! It showed on the finger! "How that is very simple?" "On the right hand, this finger is connected to the heart, to the father, and to Shri Rama and it was glinting. And it was so bright that I knew you had something or the other given to you by your father. Even you will gain this understanding. Even those girls had told you so before I did. And that’s how this chakra was caught up." The minute he removed the necklace, he got his realization. (Inaudible.) People get stuck on small things. I told you to leave that Kashi business, you didn’t. I’m waiting to give you the highest and you’re still stuck with small things! Do I really need to tell you what the pandits in Kashi are like, don’t you know? And the dirt that they give you, do I need to tell you what good it is? They sell anything that costs a paisa for a rupee and they are such wicked people. They’ve spoilt the vibrations of all the temples! Should you feel bad when you are told this? You shouldn’t feel bad about anything that’s told to you for your own good. I’m doing all this for your emancipation. People have taken such trivial things to heart. I was telling you about the Vishuddhi Chakra that is the Virata. Above that is a very important chakra. It is the Agnya Chakra. The Agnya Chakra is very tight and it is hard for the Kundalini to pass through it. When the Ego and Superego press it from both sides then this chakra becomes even tighter. When a person doesn’t forgive and keeps thinking day in and day out how another person has troubled and tortured him, such a person’s Agnya Chakra gets completely caught up. The Agnya Chakra is also a bit physically weak in people who wear glasses. This Agnya Chakra has many aspects. If you read the book I have, you will know. These people have written extensively about it. This Agnya Chakra is the seat of Mahavishnu. But you all don’t really know about Mahavishnu. But those who’ve read the Devi Bhagwat would’ve read about Mahavishnu. He is considered a great incarnation. He is the son of Radhaji. That He is going to come into the World was predicted fourteen thousand years ago. He is verily Isa Maseeh [Jesus Christ]. Isa Maseeh is the incarnation of Mahavishnu. How will you know if this is true or it’s a lie? It is actually very easy. Once you have your vibrations, just ask, “Is Isa Maseeh the incarnation of Mahavishnu? Is He on the Agnya chakra?” The vibrations have started right away! The Lord’s prayer is the mantra for the Agnya Chakra. But He is made of Aum and the Pranava [vibrations]. That means that He is the incarnation of Ganesha. He took a physical form and came to emancipate this world. Because He is made of Aum and Pranava, when He died, He was resurrected. And Krishna is His Father because He had said that the Aum and Pranava cannot be cut by any weapon nor destroyed by anything and so to prove Him right, Mahavishnu incarnated in this world. Krishna was His father and therefore He was called Christ. And, Radhaji called him Yeshu after Yashoda. His mother was Radha, the incarnation of Mahalakshmi. They are all part of us and they should be known. However, Pranava is formless as is the Aum. There’s a lot of conflict between ‘form and formless’ and that is why I want to address it otherwise the conflict will continue permanently. Especially in Dehradun, I see ‘Sanatan dharma’ and ‘Arya dharma’ [different sects of Hinduism], etc continually arguing. Although none of them have achieved it. They’ve been arguing for centuries but neither has achieved it. I haven’t seen anyone getting that fulfillment. The concept of ‘form and formless’ should be explained so that these conflicts get resolved. When our right channel was being created, the five elements had to be awakened. You know these five elements; all of this creation was made with them. So, these five elements had to be awakened with yAgnyas from the Vedas, and prayers and praises were recited. The five elements were awakened with yAgnyas. It was necessary to awaken these five elements, the fire, the water. It was only after they were awakened that human beings could have put them to use. Agriculture started after that as did the idea of science. If our Pingala Nadi hadn’t been awakened we wouldn’t have researched into science nor known how to use these five elements; how to make electricity and how to use fire. We wouldn’t have known fire, let alone how to make it! So that we become capable of making all this, that’s why the right side had to be worshipped. That’s why yAgnyas were performed and because all these energies are formless, that’s why the ‘formless’ was worshipped at that time. Once these were awakened, people wondered what to do next. Then meditation started and people came to the Central path. Once they started progressing on the Sushumna, they could see where the Deities were seated and that the bodies of the chakras were made of these five elements. When they studied the Elements, they realized that they were governed by Deities. After that, they got to know these Deities one after the other, through meditation. Then they claimed that they had forms so the focus shifted from the formless to form. Those whose awareness evolved came to the ‘form’. Then you know what happened to the ones who started believing in the ‘forms’. Worship this! Worship that! Ritualism came into being. Blind faith and religious fanaticism came into being and things were in a miserable state. Then there was a great revolution and not only that, Mohammed Saheb took His birth. Christ came into this world. These people said that the 'formless' is to be worshipped and to do away with the ‘form’. There was a lot of secrecy in this matter at that time. However, the Bible says that all that is made by the Earth and the Sky should not be replicated and worshipped. If Christians could understand this and apply this understanding to the practice of idol worship! What has the Earth made? The Earth has made all the Swayambhus. Now tell the Christians that the Earth has made the Swayambhus herself and if you make their replicas, they are not worthy of worship because they’re imperfect. These things have a coefficient too. Forms have a coefficient because of which there is a flow of the Chaitanya [divine energy]. It is impossible to replicate those forms in exactly the same way. Also, the one who makes them should be a realized soul who should not put his creation up for sale. Keeping this in mind, mostly all the idols that we worship are of zero value. Now if you go to Raanjhana and see the Ganesh, he is exactly like Shri Ganesha and he has come out of the Earth. Nobody has ever touched Him. This has been known for ages. I Myself went to see this Shri Ganesha. There are such tremendous vibrations there as though a live Shri Ganesha is sitting there, the vibrations are so tremendous. That’s why it was advised not to replicate these idols. Now, what do we do? We see anything, replicate it into an idol, and start worshipping it! We never see if the Chaitanya is flowing or not, if it has the coefficients or if it is awakened! That’s why idol worship is prohibited. This is what happened at the time of Jesus Christ in those days. Because idol worship meant all kinds of ritualism. Now the stone at Kabbah is a genuine Shiva Linga. It’s a genuine Shiva Linga that came out of the Earth and the Prophet, Mohammed knew about it. The Shiva Lingas that are authentic are authentic but every other person tries to replicate them in clay or in stone. This is not permitted. That‘s why idol worship can be a hindrance. Those who are against idol worship are correct in so far as saying that the idols that are not original should not be worshipped. But to say that God has no form is extremely wrong. It means that you have gone to one extreme. The reason for that was different. When people started worshipping the ‘form’, they realized that they’d gone astray. Suppose I ask you to bring some honey and I describe the flower to you. You find the flower and bring it and then start worshipping it. But you still haven’t got the honey. You can’t get the honey just by talking about and discussing the flowers. So then they felt that since they haven’t got the honey, they should talk about the honey. So then they started talking about the ‘formless’ and that too just remained talk, a futile mental exercise. Whether you talk about the flower or you talk about the honey, you can’t get the honey unless you yourself become a honey harvester. Until you yourself become worthy of receiving the honey, you will not get the honey. The flower is important as is the honey. And to receive the honey you too should have developed into what is called, a honey harvester! One can argue for the sake of arguing! But the Truth is absolute and irrefutable. How can one argue in the present day about what people were doing in the past, at the time when they were enlightening the five elements? There’s no need for that. It is absolutely true that God incarnates, comes into the World, and emancipates human beings. This is the eternal truth as is the fact that yAgnyas are done to purify the five elements in ourselves. Because if your chakras aren’t pure then My talking to you is pointless. Purifying the chakras is necessary as is to know the Spirit. If this is understood then all debate can come to an end. All the confusion you’ve caused by writing so many pointless books can come to an end too. Yesterday a gentleman came to Me and said that he recites the Gayatri Mantra. What for? He’s also unable to get his realization. I advised him to ask about Gayatri Devi. He said he didn’t believe that She had a ‘form’. What is the basis for you to disbelieve? Because you’re born in an Arya Samaji family [Arya Samaj- monotheistic Indian Hindu reform] you become an Arya Samaji! Where has man’s freedom gone? Because you’re born a Hindu, you practice Hinduism! Maybe you could have been born a Muslim or maybe have been born here in Africa. If you have no past lives, you could have been born anywhere! Maybe in your last life, you were a staunch Muslim, and now you’re a staunch Brahmin. Anything’s possible! And that’s what happens! Humans go from one extreme to the other extreme! From one fanatic idea to the other! But Truth is not a fanatic idea, it is reality! It should be seen for what it is through discretion and common sense. We have to achieve that which is the truth and accept it and forget about that which is the untruth. This is what is happening today. The youth doesn’t believe in God and nor are they interested in what I’m saying in the beginning. This is happening in the whole world and not just here. In many places that people don’t believe in God anymore. There is an engineer from Algeria who is my disciple and comes from a Muslim background. All the educated people from that place, engineers. doctors, architects, etc, do not believe in God. He was one of them. Somehow, he met Me and got his realization. When someone moves from blind faith to atheism, then Sahaja Yoga can catch such a person midway. After he experienced reality, he gave realization to five hundred more people there in Algeria, who are all Muslims. Who worship Shri Vishnu and also know Mohammed? It is not because I have said so but because that’s the way it is. If you have cancer of the stomach and you’re a religious fanatic, you will have to take the name of Prophet Mohammed. If you don’t then I cannot cure you. If you are a Muslim with stomach cancer then you will have to take the name of Shri Dattatreya and of Shri Vishnu, regardless of whether you’re a Muslim or anything else. Nobody can own any form of God saying, "This is mine." He hasn’t been understood and ["religions"] have been made. And now religion itself has been turned into politics so God save us! Those people who politicize religion, ask them whether they know anything about religion at all. Religion should not be politicized! I told you about the Vishuddhi Chakra, now let me tell you about Agnya Chakra. When the Kundalini pierces the Agnya Chakra, then one becomes ‘thoughtless’. ‘Thoughtlessness’ settles in you. This chakra also catches a lot here. Don’t know why but you don’t forgive enough. You must forgive. It’s very important to be forgiving. Because if we’re not forgiving then the Almighty doesn’t forgive us either. Agreed that we have a lot of painful experiences in life, but we must forgive so that the Almighty also forgives us. Otherwise, why should the Almighty forgive our mistakes? This is also a reason why the Agnya Chakra catches. To be forgiving is very essential. That is why I tell you over and again to forgive, to forgive completely. Finally, you have the chakra called Sahastrara, which is made of a thousand petals. According to the doctors, there are 982 or 992 nerves and they call it a thousand. They are continually arguing about it. There are 1000 petals that open on that lotus. They have many different colors and when they open, the Kundalini passes through them and pierces the Brahmarandra. It is called 'Brahma – Randra'. 'Randra' means 'an opening'. 'Brahma' means 'the All-Pervading Power that acts'. The Almighty’s Power that is all-pervading and is inherent in you and you. And as soon as it pierces, this power gets established and even you can tell who has what problem. This collective consciousness gets awakened in you and it’s not through a lecture! This event will take place today. Today is my last day here as I will be going to Delhi. I had asked yesterday for some people to get together and allocate a place in someone’s house. Even a small place that can be used as a Centre where everyone can meet. We don’t need to have a very big place, there just needs to be an address where everyone can meet, then Dehradun’s Centre can start functioning and this work can take place in Dehradun too. I will even send a few people from Delhi who can come, explain everything to you, and help you. Many kinds of illnesses can be cured through this. Cancer and all kinds of illnesses get cured. They will teach you everything and you too should become enlightened and progress. I have never done this kind of experiment where I go to a new place where there are no Sahaja Yogis. This is the first experiment of this sort and the reason for this is that my grand-daughter attends school here. Last time I was here I thought that this place is very much a land of penances and there would be nothing to lose by starting here. And some people immersed themselves completely to start this and it worked out. If there can be one such address where everyone can meet, just a normal home would be sufficient. Those who get their realization here can get together and identify such an address. Then something can be started which is in the town and not too far away. After that, older yogis can start visiting to guide you and you can progress. Now see this gentleman sitting here, note his experience. This morning he wasn’t feeling any vibrations and there was some obstacle. Then someone, one of our foreigners, advised him to ask who Mataji is. He just had to say that and tremendous vibrations started flowing! He was also amused at it. This is the way miracles happen. Even a small thing can become an obstacle just as you stop seeing anything even if a very small particle of something falls in your eye. We remain obstructed through small things. Even If there are any small hindrances, we easily get stuck. So, we should remove them and they can be removed You all should remain sitting with your hands like this and I’ll attend to you in a moment. If you have any questions, ask them. But not unnecessarily as it is a waste of time. That which needs to happen in you should happen, it is your own birthright and you should receive it. People get stuck on very small details like she was asking why Shri Mataji was wearing a diamond ring. I do have a lot of rings and my husband wants me to be bejeweled as he earns well. All those who know my husband, know that he’s a very honest man, he’s never earned anything dishonestly. Surprisingly, that ring-stone isn’t a real diamond, it’s fake. Someone gave it to me with love so I put it on. See this is how one gets into Maya [illusions]. I have a lot of real diamonds but that day I was wearing a fake one out of love I never take a single paisa from anyone and nor can you give Me anything. My husband is very wealthy as was my father. If I have a lot of jewelry, I do wear a little bit, far less than I can. But my husband likes to see me bejeweled and well dressed as I’m a married woman so I do it for him. In any case, I’m not an ascetic or someone who has renounced the world. I’m not taking anything from you to dress Myself. I dress as I should traditionally, I’m not an ascetic and nor have I renounced the world. Also, I don’t need to tell any lies. So, what is the point of asking me why I’ve worn this and why I’ve worn that? Those people who are very informed on such matters are actually thieves. This isn’t a circus where people dress up as clowns and deceive you and you get befooled by their appearances. Here, you should understand that you are the one who has to receive – not me. I’m here to give. If you don’t get it then it’s a discredit to you. It will be your bad luck, not mine. This morning I told you that I don’t need anything from you, not even your vote! Nothing! Nor am I standing for any election! I don’t need fame! But as a Mother I’m telling you only to receive that which is hidden in you and is yours. If you can understand your mother then you can also understand Me. I’m not here to impress you and anyway, what would I gain from that? What are you going to give me, first tell me that? I was so surprised that a well- educated lady should talk this way. It’s very surprising! That’s probably why in this birth, my husband has such a prominent position so that I don’t need to. But people are so foolish, so foolish that they don’t even want to recognize the truth.

3/8/1979

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How to Realise the Self

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Seminar "How to Realise the Self". Delhi (India), 8 March 1979. [English translation from Hindi – still to be revised] Shri Mataji: For the very first time? [Hindi-?] First time? [Hindi-?] Please come. Just come forward. [Hindi-?] Please keep your hands like this. What are you doing? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: [Hindi-?] What am I to speak? I don’t know. Yogi: How to realize Self? Shri Mataji: [Hari-?] How to realize Self? [Loudspeaker Hain – more Hindi-?]. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: This is a very nice question, “How to realize the Self?” The first word – how. [On this] one can say, that Self can be realized and is to be realized, will be realized. But you cannot realize Self. You cannot. You have become a human being from amoeba. How did you become? What did you do? You got it just as a blessing from God. In the same way, Self-Realization is also the blessing of God. It is spontaneous. It is a living thing. Anything living happens spontaneously, by itself. Do you ever say, "How am I to sprout the seed?" It will sprout by itself. Why? Because all the mechanism, all the energy that is required for it to sprout is embedded in it, is built in it. In the same way, all that is required to reach to your Self is embedded within you. It is waiting there for that moment when it has to happen. Once you start doing anything about it, efforts about it, you go wrong. As I’ve told you that there is a force, which is sleeping, an energy, which is called as Kundalini, in the triangular bone. That is the ankura, that’s the primula. That rises, which connects you with the mains – just like this one you can say, a cord that opens out and connects you with the mains. But can it do it by itself? No. The One who has made this instrument has to do it. So, it is God who is going to do that for you. Or somebody appointed by God can do it. So how does it come in? Now can you tell me how does a seed sprout? How does a flower become a fruit? You don’t even see when it happens. It is done in such a manner that you cannot even see it with your naked eyes. Of course, if you had some sort of a camera which gives you delayed actions – and things, then you might. But with your human eyes you cannot even see that. And there are thousands and thousands of such things happening. Now your Self-Realization is the most important thing and has to happen. The time has come. You are created for that; you have to have it. The blossom time has come and all of you have to become fruits. The time has come. It has to work out. Only thing what you have done through your effort you’ve spoiled the flower. The other day only I was reading about Raja Yoga that people are doing. I’m not against Raja Yoga by any chance. But Raja Yoga is a happening within yourself. With the Kundalini awakening – you see, when the Kundalini is awakened, then all these happenings take place, all these closing up of certain [bandhas-?] and all that, that takes place and the Kundalini rises. But it happens in such a short time, in such a split of a second you can say, that you cannot feel it’s rising – in Sahaja Yoga, in this modern Sahaja Yoga. Hatha Yoga is also the same. Is the way how you cleanse yourself gradually and then the Kundalini rises. Say I have to come to Delhi. That means this is the Yoga, the union. As long as I am away from Delhi, I’m away from Delhi, whether it is one mile, two miles or three hundred miles. When I meet that’s the point, that’s the Yoga. And that happening is absolutely spontaneous. Whether you come by train or a bullock cart, it depends. Now ours is a jet style. All these things happen within yourself spontaneously. If you start doing it, if you do Hatha Yoga, you are one. Some Realized Soul who is a guru, he knows what chakra you are catching, of course that’s a very different style of thing. That’s Ashtanga Yoga. You have to be in the jungle, absolutely celibate, unmarried before twenty-five years of age. You have to do all the ashtangas, not only one for making yourself slim, or something like that, to be a cinema actor. It’s the union with God. If you pay so much attention to your only body, physical being, then you are an imbalanced person, you’re just spoiling the whole thing. Unless and until it is a Realized Soul, who is of a very high quality and who lives in the jungle, as your father he works on you before you are exposed to this worldly life. While our so-called Hatha Yoga means only you create cinema actors out of them. Today only I had a Hatha Yogi, today in the morning. He’s not come today, I think. Poor fellow he got a heart attack – it is inevitable. Every Hatha Yogi is going towards that. Because when you start using too much of your right side, then the left side, which is the Spirit, in the heart, feels unhappy. Why are you paying so much attention to your body, this material being? So, it is so unhappy that you get the catch. So, he was told Hatha Yoga to overcome his heart. So how do you get it is not the point, we just get it. The Kundalini rises, it does, I can show you, it will pulsate, you will see in the triangular bone. And the most what we can do, what is required to be realized, what sort of an instrument is required. For example, children get it so fast, because they are so uncomplicated, so simple, they are not artificial. Secondly, the people who lead a simple, dharmic life in the center. Those who are married, have got children, leading a very simple life, satisfied people. They are the best. Villagers are the best. City dwellers are not so good. City dwellers are horrid. They give such a headache. They will give it to you also when you will be realized. Because you have so many complications in your heads. Moreover, they read such a lot, that the reading goes into their head and they are nowhere, they are lost in the reading. Without seeing the reality, they have already got an idea about reality. So, they dwell upon those ideas not on the reality itself. So, such people are difficult. But normally we have seen now even in the city, horrid city like London, we have been able to do [Yoga]. Quite a lot of people, now about three hundred Sahaja Yogis are first class there. But apart from that, thousands of them, I should say, have got it in different places. So in – such a country where, you see, materialism has come to its verge of collapse, it’s easier to work out because now they know that there’s nothing in materialism. It’s much better to work out there. Here we are now supposed to be advancing and we are developing ourselves, getting into the same ditch into which they are. What I’m saying, we can short-circuit – we can short-circuit through Sahaja Yoga. So it happens, you will see for yourself, the Kundalini will rise, it will break through and it will come out of the Sahasrara. What is the other question? Audience: Mother, what is Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Sahaja Yoga. 'Sahaja': 'Saha' means 'with', 'ja' means 'born'. 'Sahaja' means 'it is born with you'. Yoga is born with you. So that you have the right, it is your birthright to get union with God. It’s your birthright. You are born with it. 'Sahaja': it has a double meaning, as you know, 'sahaja' also means 'easy'. But actually the word 'sahaja' comes from this: 'sa-ha-ja': 'saha' means 'with', 'ja means 'born'. Born with you. And 'sahaja' in our talking it says: 'sahaj' [mein ? hindi word. – ed.] means 'easily', because it is born with you. We are breathing now so easily, because it is born with us, it is sahaj. Supposing for breathing if we have to stand on our heads, or we had to, say, read books, we would have been dead long time back. It comes sahaja – spontaneous. We cannot do anything about it, it’s all done for you. Unnecessarily we are breaking our heads here and there. Just wait and see, it will work out. The time has come. This is Sahaja Yoga, is the Mahayoga as they call it. They call it as the Mahayoga because this is – this is the highest of all, where the Kundalini rises just like that. But many people have used Sahaja Yoga just as a greater convenience, you see, without using the essence of it. I mean you can give any name to anything. And they do all a sahaj things. You don’t have to do anything whatsoever. Nothing! Those who are realized here, people, will work for you. It is simple like this. Supposing you are trying to learn swimming, or you are getting drowned. The person who’s trying to save you will tell you, “Keep quiet, don’t beat your hands here and there. Just keep quiet.” And the one who knows how to swim will lift you out from there, put you on the shores and can teach you swimming. Then you can help others. It’s very simple. It’s like one light which is enlightened, can enlighten another light. But that light has to be all right. So it is that simple. It’s absolutely simple. Now how do you light one light into another light? How? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s how! A light, which is already there enlightens another light. Now you, this light doesn’t take any credit for that. Nothing! It’s just your own. You have to be enlightened, it’s your own right, you have to have it. But you want to have some sort of a difficult situation for everything. Can’t eat food like this, you want to go round and round. Why not eat like that? Then go ahead! If you don’t want to eat straight away then what would I say? "That's all right, you go ahead. Break your necks, come to Me later on." I’ll put them right, now what to do? There are many who come like that to Me – very difficult cases. So be simple, be like children and have it. No problem. At least here seventy-five people are realized. At least seventy-five persons. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Fifty? Why these are not realized, that’s all? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: All the rest are. Doctor is realized, then who else? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Ha? Here and there. Who´s not realized here? These got his Realization yesterday. Everybody is realized. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Isn’t it correct? (Laughter) Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Those who are not realized, can be realized in no time. What is the second question? No question. He wants it and that’s it. That’s it. That’s like a real seeker. Ha. There’s one more question, which you are not asking, which you are feeling it. That you have known that Kundalini awakening is a very difficult thing. Isn’t it true? So. It may be difficult for people who do not know how to do it. Which is not for Me. Is the easiest for Me. My nature is to awaken Kundalini. So, for people who do not know the job it may be difficult, it may be very, very difficult. They must be doing all upside things. Supposing I do not know how to operate this, I may burn My hand. And then I’ll say, “My Kundalini was awakened – I burnt My hands.” How can that be? Kundalini is your own Mother. Everybody’s mother. Can you imagine God can instill something in you which will burn your fingers, which will give you headaches, which will make you jump like a frog? How can it be? But there are mad people like that. One gentleman came and he was sitting with both feet towards Me. So, these people said, “You can’t sit like this”. He said, “No, my Kundalini is awakened, and I jump like a frog”. So, we said, “Why do you jump like a frog?” He said, “My guru said, it is written in the book, that when your Kundalini is awakened you start jumping like a frog.” I said, “After Kundalini awakening you become a super person or you become a frog?” Now the human being has to become a frog or a chicken, or I don’t know what it has to become? According to these people? Ha? So, it is quite silly, you know, the way people have written, such big books they’ve written – all silly. I can assure you: when you’ll get your Realization, you’ll be laughing at it. It’s a big joke. Everybody cannot talk of Kundalini awakening unless and until you know about it. Seeker: [Unclear: We are new people. How would we know that our Kundalini is awakened?] Shri Mataji: You see, what you will feel once the Kundalini is awakened? In Sahaja Yoga as I said, if the instrument is perfect, it happens just like that. You see like a very, we say, very smooth landing – so the Kundalini lands up very smoothly. For people who are simple they just do not feel anything except that they feel absolutely relaxed and from their hand they feel this Chaitanya flowing, these vibrations start flowing. Now, once this get it – supposing I give you pounds, and you do not know what is the value of pounds is you must spend it. Then once you start using them then you realize how powerful they are. Simple things happen: first you get thoughtless awareness, which is called as Nirvichara Samadhi. You are listening to Me but you become absolutely thoughtless. There is no thought – you become blank. When the Kundalini crosses this – when it crosses this, you start getting this in the hand and the whole thing becomes absolutely relaxed. Now, after Realization, you have to steady yourself, that is the most important thing, where we fail. Because though you are brought to the boat, still you are just going like that, because you have come from the wobbling system. So, after that, you have to settle down. And that settling takes some time. And if you could devote your time to that settling, then you can be a very good Sahaja Yogi, you can give Realization to people. Just like that, moving your hands, just like this. Children can give Realization – this child can give Realization – she’s a born Realized. Then, you can make out people who are realized, who are not realized, you can make out people who have written the books if they are Realized people or not. You can make out the temples which are really Swayambhu or not. All absolute questions can be answered with Sahaja Yoga, because you start getting these vibrations. You can ask any question which is absolute, even like, a question like, “Is there God?” Immediately the vibrations will start flowing in the hand. And you will start feeling that cool. These are very soothing vibrations, absolutely soothing, they soothe you completely. And if you put your hand on somebody after Realization, that person also feels that soothness, and the whole thing starts melting away. You find the whole thing melts. When the Kundalini rises in some people it can show also if there are obstructions. Like if it is – at the Nabhi Chakra if there’s obstruction, you can see the Kundalini absolutely there, on the triangular bone. But supposing at the Swadishthana it is, then on the sides you see the Kundalini bursting out. You can ask the person, he might be suffering from uterus, he might be suffering from liver or something like that. Then, if the person had a bad guru or somebody who has misled him, the Kundalini comes and throbs here, throbs very badly. And when it throbs there, you can make out that the person had a wrong guru who has misled him. Then here you have to awaken the guru in him. Then it comes up to this – if you have suffering from sense of insecurity, then also the Kundalini can stop at this point. Here you have to awaken the Jagadamba. Then you come up here – it is the Krishna’s Chakra at the back. When the Kundalini stops there, then maybe the person has been smoking or has been saying something. See, there are many complications about it, because there are sixteen thousand – sixteen thousand nadis attached to this one. So this is a very important, very, very important chakra. Moreover, if you have been using any mantras, then this is spoiled. Because mantra has a big shastra. You should not accept any mantras from anyone. Because nobody can give a mantra. When they give a mantra, you should ask them, “Why are you giving me, why, what is the wrong, what is wrong with me. Why this chakra, why that chakra?” They don’t know anything I can tell you. The example of this is – there was one yogi who had come from – so called yogi – from South Africa. He gave such horrible mantras to the English boys there and some of them told Me like, “Inga, pinga, kinga”, sort of things. (Laughter) So even an ordinary Indian can understand that these are all rumble-tumbles. He did not even know Sanskrit. So Mantra Vidya, if you know, then you know the whole Vidya. But Mantra Vidya can only be known after Realization. Not before that. (Hindi words:) Yeh to ho gaya kam, aa raha haath mein thandak sa paar ho hi gaya baithe baithe. [This job is done.] (Shri Mataji asks whether you are feeling the cool in your hands. So, you are paar while sitting.) Just put your hands like this. All of you should get it. All of you. Now don’t look at others, you have to look at yourself for a change. Aankh band karo. [Close your eyes.] Now if you can’t close your eyes, then you keep your eyes open. Aa raha hai, thandak aa raha hai [it’s coming, coolness is coming]. Please close your eyes, please. If you have come here for Realization, at least close your eyes. Aankh band kariye bhai sahib, haath dono meri or kariye, aankh band kariye aur haath meri or kariye. Agar namrata aap mein nahin hai to kabhi aapki Kundalini nahin uthne wali. Aa[ janam janamantar ki cheej mangne aaye hain. Uske liye bahut namrata ki jaroorat hai. Agar namrata nahin hogi to Kundalini baithi rahegi neeche main bata rahi hoon. Yeh koi dukandari nahin hain. Aap apni Maa ke yahan aaye hain, namrata [poorvak sweekar Karen. Isko ekdam halka chor den ek dam halka. Jyada se jyada apne haath ki or dhyan de Kitaaben pari bahu sari. Bilkul shant hokar baithe. Hilna Dulna nahin. Shantipoorvak baithna chahiye. Agar aap dhyan mein 5 minute bhi shanti se nahin baith sakte to kaise Kundalini Uthegi. Aa raha hai aapko kuch thanda sa. Jis jis ke aa raha hai haath upar Karen. Thora sa. Aap jara kale moje utar deejiye. Kala rang nuksan karte hain. [close your eyes, brother, put your both hands towards Me, close your eyes and put your hands towards Me. If you don’t have humility, your Kundalini is not going to get up. You have come here to ask for the thing of many, many previous births and humility is very essential for that. If there is no humility, to Kundalini will not rise, I am telling you. This is not the business. You have come to your Mother’s place. Accept it with humility. Leave it totally without any weight. Maximum is put your attention towards your hands. Have read so many books. Just sit down in silence, total silence. No shaking. If you cannot sit in silence for five minutes, how the Kundalini will rise? Are you getting the coolness? Raise your hands who are getting it. Little bit. Please remove your black socks. Black color harms you]. Are you getting any cool breeze in the hand? Yogi: [Yes-?] Shri Mataji: You are – in both hands. Here? All right, yes. Keep your eyes like this. It should work out. Aa jayega [it will come]. Are you wearing black socks? [Hindi-?] Are you wearing black socks? Socks? I think better take them out. It’s better. Yes. Just let it loose to your feet. Hm. Better. Aap logo kea a raha haath mein thanda [are you getting any coolness?] Slightly? Better? Just wait, it will work out. Bahut punyas the janam janamantar ke. Aapki kya halat hai? Kuch nahin [good deeds of previous births. How are you feeling? Nothing]. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: [Hindi?] What has he got? Catching on? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Hot? No vibrations? Kundalini not rising? Yogi: Void, Mother. Void. Shri Mataji: Also Void. Accha Beta aap jaayeye, hamara bas ke nahin. Mushkil kaam hai. Aap jayeeye sab disturb ho raha hai. Accha. Ok.Aap kal aayega. Aap jayeee. Jo log par hona chahte hain unko hone deejeye. Aap jayee Meherbani. Who aankh band nahin karenge, meri or haath nahin karenge. What to do? Yeh meditation hai na, aap lecture mein theek hain. [I cannot do. It is a difficult job. Everybody is getting disturbed. You come tomorrow. You go. Those who want to get, let them get. We will be very thankful. Let him go, let him go, He will not close his eyes, will not put his hands towards Me, what to do? Today is meditation. You are all right in lecture]. No good. Good. [Hindi-?] You have to tell them out. [Hindi-?] Also you are all getting now. [Hindi] Anybody who’s coming in a sanyasi’s dress tell them to change their dress and then come. We cannot give Realization to sanyasis. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: I knew that. If he goes away, he helps us a lot. These boys have got it now. Aapka ho gaya thanda na [you have got the cool breeze]. Now what I would say that you take these boys together, and work out with them, because you … Tum log sahajayoga mein aaoge ke nahin, aayene, hamari madad karoge ke nahin, definitely ? Yahan par hazaro ko par karte hain phir pata nahin kahan chale jate. Aur phir aaye samajh mein nahin aata kam kaise hoga. Dhyan mein aana hoga. Har Friday hota hai. Mahine mein ek bar. But in your own place, kahan rahte ho tum. Aap sab milkar shuru kijiye. Yeh kam sabko karma hai.. Bara bhari kam hai. Isse samoohik chetna aa jati hai. Aapas mein prem barta hai. Aur tum young logo par jimmedari hai iski [whether you will come to Sahaja Yoga, we will come. Whether you will help us. Thousands of people get it here, then where they go don’t know. Then come again and it is difficult to understand how to do this work. You have to come in meditation. It is on every Friday. Once in a month. But in your own place, where do you stay? So, you all start together. You have to do it together this job. It is a very great job. It brings collective consciousness. Love is increased among yourselves. You, young people are responsible for this]. Put your left hand on your liver. Liver. Please tell him… (Shri Mataji asking about everyone whether he has got it) [Hindi ?] What about you? This gentleman – he’s got vibrations? Getting cool. Yogi: Mother his finger is sweating. Shri Mataji: Which one, right… All the fingers. [Hindi dialogue-?] Shri Mataji: Only in one. And the rest you are not getting? Seeker: [?] Shri Mataji: All right, keep it for a while, we’ll see you again – [accha-?]. What about you? Seeker [?] Shri Mataji: We’ll work it out. All right? We have to clean that out first. … the chakra – if you give it too much of thinking or of thinking becomes your disease, which is a modern thing, you see, everybody starts thinking. You cannot stop your thinking. Then also the liver gets spoilt. But the worst enemy of liver is alcohol. Absolutely it’s the worst enemy. I mean, if you want to die… best thing is go to a pub, take drinks and die. It’s like buying your death. Like calling a bull, «Come and hit me. I will give you money». It is something like that. It’s absolutely self-destroying. And only after Realization you are so relaxed and you enjoy your company so much that it is very easy to give up. Now, the another thing that is very important in this case is our eyes. Are very important, which play a very big part in this Swadishthana movement. Now, those people who move their eyes too much here and there. You see, I don’t know, this is the modern style also, too much to move, everything they must see…like that they are going on, mad people. I don’t know what is there to see like that, you see. Actually, in former days, when we were young, we were told to see the Mother Earth all the time, not to raise your eyes higher than that. The reason is the Mother Earth soothes your eyes. But if you want moving your eyes too much, the attention is moving, wobbling, all the time. Now the attention is sustained by liver. If your liver is not all right, your attention cannot be all right. So those people who have a habit you see – sometimes they’ll see through the back of their eyes, or from here – there – they think they are doing something great by doing these things – such people can never have good livers. So, to keep a good liver, keep your eyes down. Don’t give them too much work. We are giving too much work to our eyes and that’s how it is keeping our attention all the time wobbled out, and if your attention is out, then you can never feel happy. So, the liver sustains the attention and for you to be best Sahaja yogi is to put your eyes down, on the Mother Earth. Walk with less raising of your eyes. Respect your eyes. You’re not to waste your eyes on all the time anybody coming up your… I’ve seen even in meditation people can’t keep their eyes straight. You have to keep your eyes all the time in a mood that you’re enjoying yourself, and not enjoying others. But just enjoying yourself, you cannot enjoy others. You have to enjoy yourself, to enjoy somebody else’s vibrations. You can only enjoy others through their vibrations, not through their seeing. And because of this, once you have this kind of a habit, then your liver always gets into it. Then you curse yourself, you do all kinds of things… that’s no good. Just tell yourself, “[Hold ?] my eyes on the Mother Earth.” She sustains, She takes away all your problems and everything. So, liver I’ve told you today, and the same thing applies to other organs, which I will tell you tomorrow. One every day I am going to tell you about one organ – how to keep it all right. Yogini: What about heart trouble? Shri Mataji: Heart trouble. Now heart trouble comes just as a warning, because nature wants you to stop being silly. That’s it. Simple! Absolutely it is so simple as that. Heart is the temple of your Spirit. If you pay attention to anything else too much than the Spirit, you get a heart attack. Because the right-hand side, Pingala Nadi, if you are using too much… Aside: What’s happening? Head is hot. You have come before. [Marathi dialogue.] If you have used your right side, which is called as Pingala, Pingala Nadi, which is the right side sympathetic, doctors do not differentiate between the left and the right. But they are two different things altogether. The one that is on the right hand side caters for your mental activity. If you are doing too much mental activity, or physical activity, the left hand – just see the nature, how beautifully it is – the heart, which is not responsible for your thinking at all, stops. Or it gives you a push. Or it sort of – suddenly collapses. Or it gives you a warning: you get a pain. On the contrary, if you are using your left side, see, left side is for your emotions. If you are too much emotionally built up. People are very emotional some of them all the time crying, weeping – all that. Such people – their brain goes out. See! The combination: the brain has nothing to do with your emotions. But the brain goes out. See the balance! How nature has built you up. So the heart says, «Now, it’s too much.» A person, who’s running too much after position, he gets a heart attack. Person, who’s running too much after money, he gets a heart attack. A person who runs too much after thinking that he’s doing a great job and that this is his responsibility, this thing. So, the Spirit – the responsibility is that of the Spirit, is not of you. So, you get a heart attack. If you overdo anything, physically or mentally the heart is the one that checks you. It’s very simple to get rid of it. (End of CD for final verification.) It’s to raise your left, put it to the right. Raise your left, put it to the right. Twenty-one times, every day you should do it. Immediately you’ll find that you’re, by raising your left, you are raising your superego, reducing your ego, and ego and superego both of them come down like that, and the Kundalini can open it out. Otherwise, in the conditions when the people are working very hard, the ego is actually on the left-hand side, though…

Seminar "How to Realise the Self". Delhi (India), 8 March 1979. [English translation from Hindi – still to be revised] Shri Mataji: For the very first time? [Hindi-?] First time? [Hindi-?] Please come. Just come forward. [Hindi-?] Please keep your hands like this. What are you doing? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: [Hindi-?] What am I to speak? I don’t know. Yogi: How to realize Self? Shri Mataji: [Hari-?] How to realize Self? [Loudspeaker Hain – more Hindi-?]. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: This is a very nice question, “How to realize the Self?” The first word – how. [On this] one can say, that Self can be realized and is to be realized, will be realized. But you cannot realize Self. You cannot. You have become a human being from amoeba. How did you become? What did you do? You got it just as a blessing from God. In the same way, Self-Realization is also the blessing of God. It is spontaneous. It is a living thing. Anything living happens spontaneously, by itself. Do you ever say, "How am I to sprout the seed?" It will sprout by itself. Why? Because all the mechanism, all the energy that is required for it to sprout is embedded in it, is built in it. In the same way, all that is required to reach to your Self is embedded within you. It is waiting there for that moment when it has to happen. Once you start doing anything about it, efforts about it, you go wrong. As I’ve told you that there is a force, which is sleeping, an energy, which is called as Kundalini, in the triangular bone. That is the ankura, that’s the primula. That rises, which connects you with the mains – just like this one you can say, a cord that opens out and connects you with the mains. But can it do it by itself? No. The One who has made this instrument has to do it. So, it is God who is going to do that for you. Or somebody appointed by God can do it. So how does it come in? Now can you tell me how does a seed sprout? How does a flower become a fruit? You don’t even see when it happens. It is done in such a manner that you cannot even see it with your naked eyes. Of course, if you had some sort of a camera which gives you delayed actions – and things, then you might. But with your human eyes you cannot even see that. And there are thousands and thousands of such things happening. Now your Self-Realization is the most important thing and has to happen. The time has come. You are created for that; you have to have it. The blossom time has come and all of you have to become fruits. The time has come. It has to work out. Only thing what you have done through your effort you’ve spoiled the flower. The other day only I was reading about Raja Yoga that people are doing. I’m not against Raja Yoga by any chance. But Raja Yoga is a happening within yourself. With the Kundalini awakening – you see, when the Kundalini is awakened, then all these happenings take place, all these closing up of certain [bandhas-?] and all that, that takes place and the Kundalini rises. But it happens in such a short time, in such a split of a second you can say, that you cannot feel it’s rising – in Sahaja Yoga, in this modern Sahaja Yoga. Hatha Yoga is also the same. Is the way how you cleanse yourself gradually and then the Kundalini rises. Say I have to come to Delhi. That means this is the Yoga, the union. As long as I am away from Delhi, I’m away from Delhi, whether it is one mile, two miles or three hundred miles. When I meet that’s the point, that’s the Yoga. And that happening is absolutely spontaneous. Whether you come by train or a bullock cart, it depends. Now ours is a jet style. All these things happen within yourself spontaneously. If you start doing it, if you do Hatha Yoga, you are one. Some Realized Soul who is a guru, he knows what chakra you are catching, of course that’s a very different style of thing. That’s Ashtanga Yoga. You have to be in the jungle, absolutely celibate, unmarried before twenty-five years of age. You have to do all the ashtangas, not only one for making yourself slim, or something like that, to be a cinema actor. It’s the union with God. If you pay so much attention to your only body, physical being, then you are an imbalanced person, you’re just spoiling the whole thing. Unless and until it is a Realized Soul, who is of a very high quality and who lives in the jungle, as your father he works on you before you are exposed to this worldly life. While our so-called Hatha Yoga means only you create cinema actors out of them. Today only I had a Hatha Yogi, today in the morning. He’s not come today, I think. Poor fellow he got a heart attack – it is inevitable. Every Hatha Yogi is going towards that. Because when you start using too much of your right side, then the left side, which is the Spirit, in the heart, feels unhappy. Why are you paying so much attention to your body, this material being? So, it is so unhappy that you get the catch. So, he was told Hatha Yoga to overcome his heart. So how do you get it is not the point, we just get it. The Kundalini rises, it does, I can show you, it will pulsate, you will see in the triangular bone. And the most what we can do, what is required to be realized, what sort of an instrument is required. For example, children get it so fast, because they are so uncomplicated, so simple, they are not artificial. Secondly, the people who lead a simple, dharmic life in the center. Those who are married, have got children, leading a very simple life, satisfied people. They are the best. Villagers are the best. City dwellers are not so good. City dwellers are horrid. They give such a headache. They will give it to you also when you will be realized. Because you have so many complications in your heads. Moreover, they read such a lot, that the reading goes into their head and they are nowhere, they are lost in the reading. Without seeing the reality, they have already got an idea about reality. So, they dwell upon those ideas not on the reality itself. So, such people are difficult. But normally we have seen now even in the city, horrid city like London, we have been able to do [Yoga]. Quite a lot of people, now about three hundred Sahaja Yogis are first class there. But apart from that, thousands of them, I should say, have got it in different places. So in – such a country where, you see, materialism has come to its verge of collapse, it’s easier to work out because now they know that there’s nothing in materialism. It’s much better to work out there. Here we are now supposed to be advancing and we are developing ourselves, getting into the same ditch into which they are. What I’m saying, we can short-circuit – we can short-circuit through Sahaja Yoga. So it happens, you will see for yourself, the Kundalini will rise, it will break through and it will come out of the Sahasrara. What is the other question? Audience: Mother, what is Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Sahaja Yoga. 'Sahaja': 'Saha' means 'with', 'ja' means 'born'. 'Sahaja' means 'it is born with you'. Yoga is born with you. So that you have the right, it is your birthright to get union with God. It’s your birthright. You are born with it. 'Sahaja': it has a double meaning, as you know, 'sahaja' also means 'easy'. But actually the word 'sahaja' comes from this: 'sa-ha-ja': 'saha' means 'with', 'ja means 'born'. Born with you. And 'sahaja' in our talking it says: 'sahaj' [mein ? hindi word. – ed.] means 'easily', because it is born with you. We are breathing now so easily, because it is born with us, it is sahaj. Supposing for breathing if we have to stand on our heads, or we had to, say, read books, we would have been dead long time back. It comes sahaja – spontaneous. We cannot do anything about it, it’s all done for you. Unnecessarily we are breaking our heads here and there. Just wait and see, it will work out. The time has come. This is Sahaja Yoga, is the Mahayoga as they call it. They call it as the Mahayoga because this is – this is the highest of all, where the Kundalini rises just like that. But many people have used Sahaja Yoga just as a greater convenience, you see, without using the essence of it. I mean you can give any name to anything. And they do all a sahaj things. You don’t have to do anything whatsoever. Nothing! Those who are realized here, people, will work for you. It is simple like this. Supposing you are trying to learn swimming, or you are getting drowned. The person who’s trying to save you will tell you, “Keep quiet, don’t beat your hands here and there. Just keep quiet.” And the one who knows how to swim will lift you out from there, put you on the shores and can teach you swimming. Then you can help others. It’s very simple. It’s like one light which is enlightened, can enlighten another light. But that light has to be all right. So it is that simple. It’s absolutely simple. Now how do you light one light into another light? How? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s how! A light, which is already there enlightens another light. Now you, this light doesn’t take any credit for that. Nothing! It’s just your own. You have to be enlightened, it’s your own right, you have to have it. But you want to have some sort of a difficult situation for everything. Can’t eat food like this, you want to go round and round. Why not eat like that? Then go ahead! If you don’t want to eat straight away then what would I say? "That's all right, you go ahead. Break your necks, come to Me later on." I’ll put them right, now what to do? There are many who come like that to Me – very difficult cases. So be simple, be like children and have it. No problem. At least here seventy-five people are realized. At least seventy-five persons. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Fifty? Why these are not realized, that’s all? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: All the rest are. Doctor is realized, then who else? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Ha? Here and there. Who´s not realized here? These got his Realization yesterday. Everybody is realized. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Isn’t it correct? (Laughter) Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Those who are not realized, can be realized in no time. What is the second question? No question. He wants it and that’s it. That’s it. That’s like a real seeker. Ha. There’s one more question, which you are not asking, which you are feeling it. That you have known that Kundalini awakening is a very difficult thing. Isn’t it true? So. It may be difficult for people who do not know how to do it. Which is not for Me. Is the easiest for Me. My nature is to awaken Kundalini. So, for people who do not know the job it may be difficult, it may be very, very difficult. They must be doing all upside things. Supposing I do not know how to operate this, I may burn My hand. And then I’ll say, “My Kundalini was awakened – I burnt My hands.” How can that be? Kundalini is your own Mother. Everybody’s mother. Can you imagine God can instill something in you which will burn your fingers, which will give you headaches, which will make you jump like a frog? How can it be? But there are mad people like that. One gentleman came and he was sitting with both feet towards Me. So, these people said, “You can’t sit like this”. He said, “No, my Kundalini is awakened, and I jump like a frog”. So, we said, “Why do you jump like a frog?” He said, “My guru said, it is written in the book, that when your Kundalini is awakened you start jumping like a frog.” I said, “After Kundalini awakening you become a super person or you become a frog?” Now the human being has to become a frog or a chicken, or I don’t know what it has to become? According to these people? Ha? So, it is quite silly, you know, the way people have written, such big books they’ve written – all silly. I can assure you: when you’ll get your Realization, you’ll be laughing at it. It’s a big joke. Everybody cannot talk of Kundalini awakening unless and until you know about it. Seeker: [Unclear: We are new people. How would we know that our Kundalini is awakened?] Shri Mataji: You see, what you will feel once the Kundalini is awakened? In Sahaja Yoga as I said, if the instrument is perfect, it happens just like that. You see like a very, we say, very smooth landing – so the Kundalini lands up very smoothly. For people who are simple they just do not feel anything except that they feel absolutely relaxed and from their hand they feel this Chaitanya flowing, these vibrations start flowing. Now, once this get it – supposing I give you pounds, and you do not know what is the value of pounds is you must spend it. Then once you start using them then you realize how powerful they are. Simple things happen: first you get thoughtless awareness, which is called as Nirvichara Samadhi. You are listening to Me but you become absolutely thoughtless. There is no thought – you become blank. When the Kundalini crosses this – when it crosses this, you start getting this in the hand and the whole thing becomes absolutely relaxed. Now, after Realization, you have to steady yourself, that is the most important thing, where we fail. Because though you are brought to the boat, still you are just going like that, because you have come from the wobbling system. So, after that, you have to settle down. And that settling takes some time. And if you could devote your time to that settling, then you can be a very good Sahaja Yogi, you can give Realization to people. Just like that, moving your hands, just like this. Children can give Realization – this child can give Realization – she’s a born Realized. Then, you can make out people who are realized, who are not realized, you can make out people who have written the books if they are Realized people or not. You can make out the temples which are really Swayambhu or not. All absolute questions can be answered with Sahaja Yoga, because you start getting these vibrations. You can ask any question which is absolute, even like, a question like, “Is there God?” Immediately the vibrations will start flowing in the hand. And you will start feeling that cool. These are very soothing vibrations, absolutely soothing, they soothe you completely. And if you put your hand on somebody after Realization, that person also feels that soothness, and the whole thing starts melting away. You find the whole thing melts. When the Kundalini rises in some people it can show also if there are obstructions. Like if it is – at the Nabhi Chakra if there’s obstruction, you can see the Kundalini absolutely there, on the triangular bone. But supposing at the Swadishthana it is, then on the sides you see the Kundalini bursting out. You can ask the person, he might be suffering from uterus, he might be suffering from liver or something like that. Then, if the person had a bad guru or somebody who has misled him, the Kundalini comes and throbs here, throbs very badly. And when it throbs there, you can make out that the person had a wrong guru who has misled him. Then here you have to awaken the guru in him. Then it comes up to this – if you have suffering from sense of insecurity, then also the Kundalini can stop at this point. Here you have to awaken the Jagadamba. Then you come up here – it is the Krishna’s Chakra at the back. When the Kundalini stops there, then maybe the person has been smoking or has been saying something. See, there are many complications about it, because there are sixteen thousand – sixteen thousand nadis attached to this one. So this is a very important, very, very important chakra. Moreover, if you have been using any mantras, then this is spoiled. Because mantra has a big shastra. You should not accept any mantras from anyone. Because nobody can give a mantra. When they give a mantra, you should ask them, “Why are you giving me, why, what is the wrong, what is wrong with me. Why this chakra, why that chakra?” They don’t know anything I can tell you. The example of this is – there was one yogi who had come from – so called yogi – from South Africa. He gave such horrible mantras to the English boys there and some of them told Me like, “Inga, pinga, kinga”, sort of things. (Laughter) So even an ordinary Indian can understand that these are all rumble-tumbles. He did not even know Sanskrit. So Mantra Vidya, if you know, then you know the whole Vidya. But Mantra Vidya can only be known after Realization. Not before that. (Hindi words:) Yeh to ho gaya kam, aa raha haath mein thandak sa paar ho hi gaya baithe baithe. [This job is done.] (Shri Mataji asks whether you are feeling the cool in your hands. So, you are paar while sitting.) Just put your hands like this. All of you should get it. All of you. Now don’t look at others, you have to look at yourself for a change. Aankh band karo. [Close your eyes.] Now if you can’t close your eyes, then you keep your eyes open. Aa raha hai, thandak aa raha hai [it’s coming, coolness is coming]. Please close your eyes, please. If you have come here for Realization, at least close your eyes. Aankh band kariye bhai sahib, haath dono meri or kariye, aankh band kariye aur haath meri or kariye. Agar namrata aap mein nahin hai to kabhi aapki Kundalini nahin uthne wali. Aa[ janam janamantar ki cheej mangne aaye hain. Uske liye bahut namrata ki jaroorat hai. Agar namrata nahin hogi to Kundalini baithi rahegi neeche main bata rahi hoon. Yeh koi dukandari nahin hain. Aap apni Maa ke yahan aaye hain, namrata [poorvak sweekar Karen. Isko ekdam halka chor den ek dam halka. Jyada se jyada apne haath ki or dhyan de Kitaaben pari bahu sari. Bilkul shant hokar baithe. Hilna Dulna nahin. Shantipoorvak baithna chahiye. Agar aap dhyan mein 5 minute bhi shanti se nahin baith sakte to kaise Kundalini Uthegi. Aa raha hai aapko kuch thanda sa. Jis jis ke aa raha hai haath upar Karen. Thora sa. Aap jara kale moje utar deejiye. Kala rang nuksan karte hain. [close your eyes, brother, put your both hands towards Me, close your eyes and put your hands towards Me. If you don’t have humility, your Kundalini is not going to get up. You have come here to ask for the thing of many, many previous births and humility is very essential for that. If there is no humility, to Kundalini will not rise, I am telling you. This is not the business. You have come to your Mother’s place. Accept it with humility. Leave it totally without any weight. Maximum is put your attention towards your hands. Have read so many books. Just sit down in silence, total silence. No shaking. If you cannot sit in silence for five minutes, how the Kundalini will rise? Are you getting the coolness? Raise your hands who are getting it. Little bit. Please remove your black socks. Black color harms you]. Are you getting any cool breeze in the hand? Yogi: [Yes-?] Shri Mataji: You are – in both hands. Here? All right, yes. Keep your eyes like this. It should work out. Aa jayega [it will come]. Are you wearing black socks? [Hindi-?] Are you wearing black socks? Socks? I think better take them out. It’s better. Yes. Just let it loose to your feet. Hm. Better. Aap logo kea a raha haath mein thanda [are you getting any coolness?] Slightly? Better? Just wait, it will work out. Bahut punyas the janam janamantar ke. Aapki kya halat hai? Kuch nahin [good deeds of previous births. How are you feeling? Nothing]. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: [Hindi?] What has he got? Catching on? Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: Hot? No vibrations? Kundalini not rising? Yogi: Void, Mother. Void. Shri Mataji: Also Void. Accha Beta aap jaayeye, hamara bas ke nahin. Mushkil kaam hai. Aap jayeeye sab disturb ho raha hai. Accha. Ok.Aap kal aayega. Aap jayeee. Jo log par hona chahte hain unko hone deejeye. Aap jayee Meherbani. Who aankh band nahin karenge, meri or haath nahin karenge. What to do? Yeh meditation hai na, aap lecture mein theek hain. [I cannot do. It is a difficult job. Everybody is getting disturbed. You come tomorrow. You go. Those who want to get, let them get. We will be very thankful. Let him go, let him go, He will not close his eyes, will not put his hands towards Me, what to do? Today is meditation. You are all right in lecture]. No good. Good. [Hindi-?] You have to tell them out. [Hindi-?] Also you are all getting now. [Hindi] Anybody who’s coming in a sanyasi’s dress tell them to change their dress and then come. We cannot give Realization to sanyasis. Yogi: [?] Shri Mataji: I knew that. If he goes away, he helps us a lot. These boys have got it now. Aapka ho gaya thanda na [you have got the cool breeze]. Now what I would say that you take these boys together, and work out with them, because you … Tum log sahajayoga mein aaoge ke nahin, aayene, hamari madad karoge ke nahin, definitely ? Yahan par hazaro ko par karte hain phir pata nahin kahan chale jate. Aur phir aaye samajh mein nahin aata kam kaise hoga. Dhyan mein aana hoga. Har Friday hota hai. Mahine mein ek bar. But in your own place, kahan rahte ho tum. Aap sab milkar shuru kijiye. Yeh kam sabko karma hai.. Bara bhari kam hai. Isse samoohik chetna aa jati hai. Aapas mein prem barta hai. Aur tum young logo par jimmedari hai iski [whether you will come to Sahaja Yoga, we will come. Whether you will help us. Thousands of people get it here, then where they go don’t know. Then come again and it is difficult to understand how to do this work. You have to come in meditation. It is on every Friday. Once in a month. But in your own place, where do you stay? So, you all start together. You have to do it together this job. It is a very great job. It brings collective consciousness. Love is increased among yourselves. You, young people are responsible for this]. Put your left hand on your liver. Liver. Please tell him… (Shri Mataji asking about everyone whether he has got it) [Hindi ?] What about you? This gentleman – he’s got vibrations? Getting cool. Yogi: Mother his finger is sweating. Shri Mataji: Which one, right… All the fingers. [Hindi dialogue-?] Shri Mataji: Only in one. And the rest you are not getting? Seeker: [?] Shri Mataji: All right, keep it for a while, we’ll see you again – [accha-?]. What about you? Seeker [?] Shri Mataji: We’ll work it out. All right? We have to clean that out first. … the chakra – if you give it too much of thinking or of thinking becomes your disease, which is a modern thing, you see, everybody starts thinking. You cannot stop your thinking. Then also the liver gets spoilt. But the worst enemy of liver is alcohol. Absolutely it’s the worst enemy. I mean, if you want to die… best thing is go to a pub, take drinks and die. It’s like buying your death. Like calling a bull, «Come and hit me. I will give you money». It is something like that. It’s absolutely self-destroying. And only after Realization you are so relaxed and you enjoy your company so much that it is very easy to give up. Now, the another thing that is very important in this case is our eyes. Are very important, which play a very big part in this Swadishthana movement. Now, those people who move their eyes too much here and there. You see, I don’t know, this is the modern style also, too much to move, everything they must see…like that they are going on, mad people. I don’t know what is there to see like that, you see. Actually, in former days, when we were young, we were told to see the Mother Earth all the time, not to raise your eyes higher than that. The reason is the Mother Earth soothes your eyes. But if you want moving your eyes too much, the attention is moving, wobbling, all the time. Now the attention is sustained by liver. If your liver is not all right, your attention cannot be all right. So those people who have a habit you see – sometimes they’ll see through the back of their eyes, or from here – there – they think they are doing something great by doing these things – such people can never have good livers. So, to keep a good liver, keep your eyes down. Don’t give them too much work. We are giving too much work to our eyes and that’s how it is keeping our attention all the time wobbled out, and if your attention is out, then you can never feel happy. So, the liver sustains the attention and for you to be best Sahaja yogi is to put your eyes down, on the Mother Earth. Walk with less raising of your eyes. Respect your eyes. You’re not to waste your eyes on all the time anybody coming up your… I’ve seen even in meditation people can’t keep their eyes straight. You have to keep your eyes all the time in a mood that you’re enjoying yourself, and not enjoying others. But just enjoying yourself, you cannot enjoy others. You have to enjoy yourself, to enjoy somebody else’s vibrations. You can only enjoy others through their vibrations, not through their seeing. And because of this, once you have this kind of a habit, then your liver always gets into it. Then you curse yourself, you do all kinds of things… that’s no good. Just tell yourself, “[Hold ?] my eyes on the Mother Earth.” She sustains, She takes away all your problems and everything. So, liver I’ve told you today, and the same thing applies to other organs, which I will tell you tomorrow. One every day I am going to tell you about one organ – how to keep it all right. Yogini: What about heart trouble? Shri Mataji: Heart trouble. Now heart trouble comes just as a warning, because nature wants you to stop being silly. That’s it. Simple! Absolutely it is so simple as that. Heart is the temple of your Spirit. If you pay attention to anything else too much than the Spirit, you get a heart attack. Because the right-hand side, Pingala Nadi, if you are using too much… Aside: What’s happening? Head is hot. You have come before. [Marathi dialogue.] If you have used your right side, which is called as Pingala, Pingala Nadi, which is the right side sympathetic, doctors do not differentiate between the left and the right. But they are two different things altogether. The one that is on the right hand side caters for your mental activity. If you are doing too much mental activity, or physical activity, the left hand – just see the nature, how beautifully it is – the heart, which is not responsible for your thinking at all, stops. Or it gives you a push. Or it sort of – suddenly collapses. Or it gives you a warning: you get a pain. On the contrary, if you are using your left side, see, left side is for your emotions. If you are too much emotionally built up. People are very emotional some of them all the time crying, weeping – all that. Such people – their brain goes out. See! The combination: the brain has nothing to do with your emotions. But the brain goes out. See the balance! How nature has built you up. So the heart says, «Now, it’s too much.» A person, who’s running too much after position, he gets a heart attack. Person, who’s running too much after money, he gets a heart attack. A person who runs too much after thinking that he’s doing a great job and that this is his responsibility, this thing. So, the Spirit – the responsibility is that of the Spirit, is not of you. So, you get a heart attack. If you overdo anything, physically or mentally the heart is the one that checks you. It’s very simple to get rid of it. (End of CD for final verification.) It’s to raise your left, put it to the right. Raise your left, put it to the right. Twenty-one times, every day you should do it. Immediately you’ll find that you’re, by raising your left, you are raising your superego, reducing your ego, and ego and superego both of them come down like that, and the Kundalini can open it out. Otherwise, in the conditions when the people are working very hard, the ego is actually on the left-hand side, though…

3/9/1979

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Seminar Day 1

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Seminar (Hindi). Delhi, India. 9 March 1979. (English Translation from Hindi- still to be revised.) [First 4:53 minutes conversations with new seekers are not translated] [4:54] Shri Krishna has said in our Gita, “Yoga Kshemam Vahamyaham”. This means, "Yoga first." He could say “Kshem” first but he said “Yoga” first and then “Kshem”. “Kshem” means your wellbeing, your Lakshmi Tatva [element]. But first “Yoga” should take place. Until Yoga [union] happens, the divine has no business with you. First, you should experience Yoga i.e. union with Almighty, Atma [Spirit] should awaken within you. When the Spirit is awakened within you, then you enter into the domain of Almighty in reality. Otherwise, just like a crammer [who keeps mugging things], everything remains superficial. Until you know your inner Self, until you have recognition of Self, you do not enter the domain of Almighty. That’s why you are not authorised to get what Almighty has said. Many people put blame on Almighty that we are so much devoted to God, doing so much worshipping, we stand upside down on our head so long, we do this, do that, we offer food [bhog], morning till evening keep chanting, but still why don’t we find Almighty? Reality is that in order to talk to Almighty, you must establish a connection with Him. Until one attains Yoga, Kshem is not possible. 'Kshem' means 'your protection from all sides', Lakshmi Tatva [element] gets awakened within us. Krishna just said “Vahamyaham – I will do”, But He did not explain “how”. So let me explain to you how it works out. When Yoga takes place, Kundalini rises up from triangular bone and pierces through Brahma Randhra (hole in Fontanelle area). When the power of Kundalini pierces through Brahma Randhra, it gets Light/flame [Jyoti] in it because it receives Light/flame (Jyoti) of our Spirit and due to this light, Lakshmi Tatva in Nabhi chakra is awakened. As soon as Lakshmi Tatva is awakened, you will see that from all sides you will get prosperity. If someone becomes very rich, whom we call wealthy, it’s not necessary that he would be prosperous too. Most of the rich people are generally unhappy. More money they have, more stupid they would be. Besides, all sort of dirty things enters their homes like wine, cunningness, lies etc. all sort of such things reside within them. All the time they have fears that the government will come and catch them, they will lose money, this happens, that happens. So, those who are wealthy, are not Lakshmipatis. Because Lakshmi Tatva is not awakened within them, they have just earned money. For them money is just like mud, it does not give any comfort/happiness. We must understand Lakshmi Tatva. Last time, I had explained how Lakshmi has been formed. She has two lotuses in her hands, which are of pink colour. With one hand, she donates and with another gives shelter. Pink colour represents “Love”. If a human does not have love in his heart, he cannot be Lakshmipati. His house should be like a lotus flower. Lotus even gives shelter to an insect called “Bhowra” [black colour insect like a wasp], which is very dry and has sharp spikes on its body which would pinch if you keep it on hand, comforts it and makes it sleep with its glory. Lakshmipati is the one who has a very big heart. One who is very delightful to his guests and to anyone is Lakshmipati. But you see, most of the rich people are the greatest beggars. If you visit their house, they would die of fear of spending some money. One who is always worried about his money that I am losing 4 cents on this, 2 cents on that, save this, how to save something there, such a person cannot be Lakshmipati. A miserly person cannot be Lakshmipati. One who is miser is a miser, he is not Lakshmipati. A miser is poor, very poor. He has no royalty in his behaviour. One who has no royalty in his attitude, should not be called Lakshmipati. One who is royal always lives in a royal manner either in poverty or affluence. He lives like a king. One who is worried about petty things, every penny, this thing, that thing, cannot be a Lakshmipati. Since Lakshmi Tatva is not awakened, he gets a strong catch of Nabhi Chakra. Materialism creeps in such a person, he becomes very materialistic/worldly [jad-wadi]. He picks on every small thing like this is mine, this is my son, blah blah. If all such things get in someone, he is not a Lakshmipati. "Should I steal this person’s thing, steal that person’s thing, take this or take that, everything should be for myself." If someone thinks like this, he is also not a Lakshmipati. One who thinks about others, "If I have a posh house, how many people will be accommodated, if I have some nice things, how many people will feel comfort. How would I welcome others, how would I be able to help others, how would I keep others in my heart?" There is no question of helping others. One thinks that these are my own [kins], "Whatever I am trying to do is, to help myself." Then Lakshmi Tatva is awakened in real. His face, his lifestyle has to be like a lotus, such a person should be fragrant and like one who stinks with pride. One should be very humble. You must have seen Lotus that it is bent little bit downwards. Lotus never stands straight; it’s always bent down little bit. Likewise, at least the two lotuses held by Lakshmiji in her hands, have similar tenderness. While interacting with others, he talks with very cool attitude, with joy, in a very affectionate way. They are not artificial, those lotuses are not made of plastic, but they are real. Such a person should be like a lotus in real. At one hand one has to be beneficent. From his hand, donations should keep on flowing and flowing always. I have seen my father like that. He was very generous person. If he accumulates something in ample, he would donate. He would not get enjoyment, until he donates something. If someone tells him that, "Why don’t you watch out what people are taking away?" On this he answers that, "What should I keep watch on? Who [divine] has to give out is giving away, I am just standing in between? What to see, I feel embarrassed when people say that I am donating." One who is generous like this, the one who does not accumulate anything for himself but keeps giving things to others, he enjoys in giving and not in receiving, such a person is Lakshmipati. Only such a person gets it. One who keeps thinking of himself, "How I or my own children will be benefitted, how will I get better?", such a person is not Lakshmipati, has no grace, he is like a beggar. And with other hand he gives shelter. Whoever comes to his house, takes care with love, care him like his own son. In his house, there are servants, animals and people in his shelter and they all know that he is there to take care of us. If we have any trouble, he will help us. He would get up in middle of night too to help. He does it secretly and does not tell others or make them realize that I have done so much for them. He does it absolutely secretly. Paramatma [God Almighty] is also exactly same. That is Shri Laxmi form of divine in a female form like a mother and she stands on a lotus. Just think about it, in order to stand on a Lotus how much simplicity one has to have, absolutely light [weight] without putting any load on it. That person must be such that he can stand on a Lotus and he does not put pressure on anyone. He must be very humble. Those who show off about their possessions that, "We have this, that, blah blah" cannot be Laxmipati. They must have motherhood, heart like a mother, then we can call them Laxmipati. All these are characteristics of a Laxmipati. And when this element is awakened within, the first this that comes to you is the satisfaction. There is no limit of anything otherwise, you know as they say in Economics that “No needs are satiable in general.” Today you have this thing, so tomorrow you need that thing, then something else and so on. Man keeps running like a mad, there is no end to that. Today I get this so now I need that, something else. But one achieves contentment [with awakening of Laxmi Tatva]. One cannot enjoy anything until he achieves contentment. Because contentment is thing of present, hope is thing of future and disappointment is thing of past. When you stand in contentment, you are fully enjoying your possessions. Otherwise, whatever one gets he says. "Oh that other person has got so much. I want that thing. then why did you get this thing?" When he gets that he again wants something else. Such a person can never enjoy his life and neither can he ascend. Day and night his eye will be only on such things. Things which are in vain, Things which are not important, things which are meaningless in life, things which have nothing to do with joy in life, he keeping chasing only such things in life. But first Yoga must happen then Kshem [wellbeing] follows. Here many Sahaja Yogis have accompanied me, who have been with me in Sahaja Yoga and they have achieved it and progressed in Sahaja Yoga. They progressed financially too, all of them A to Z. Some of them who were penniless earlier, gained hundreds of thousands of rupees [Lacs]. We have such people too here. For instance, this foreigner couple, they wanted to visit India and have been thinking about this. They have money of course. They also achieved financial wellbeing, earned lot of money and enjoyed a comfortable life. But when they were about to travel, a firm offered to sponsor their travel since they had done something for them. Paramatma [Almighty] helps even in such small ways and you save so much of money that you don’t understand what to do with that money. Earlier they used to take drugs, drink and all sorts of things. Lot of money used to get lost in such things. Now I notice that they have good homes, got all good things in their homes, they listen good music, developed all good hobbies, started living a good life, their children became very good. I asked them, "How all this happened?" They answered that, "Earlier we used to waste all of money and had no sense about our whereabouts itself. We were always out of our senses and had no idea about our lifestyle and actions." That’s the reason all Gurus prohibited wine and other such things. This wine is such harmful thing that the moment it enters the house from one side, Shri Laxmi immediately steps out from other. It’s simple accounting. The moment she notices your bottle of wine entering the house, she leaves immediately from other side. Such person never gets blessings of Lakshmi ji. Those who drink, will never have blessings of Lakshmi ji. Of course, they may have lot of money, their sons would waste all their money, wife would run away, something or other will go wrong, children would run away, some or other issues will happen. Tell me about one single home where they drink and have happiness. They cannot be happy, as wine is always against the happiness. That’s why Gurus said “No” to wine especially. Why they prohibited? We must think about it. Afterall they were not insane. Thousands time they told not to drink, "Don’t drink!" Wine is a thing, God never created for drinking. It was created for polishing, doing polish. Tomorrow they will start drinking phenyl [cleaning liquid], what to say about people’s mind? What can one do, if they start drinking anything? Man’s mind is so stupid that anything they like, start drinking it. Who told them to drink? When you drink this polish on the name of wine, all your lever, intestines get polished too. Even your arteries get stiffened with polish. Arteries become so stiff that their tissues are no longer flexible, means they cannot grow bigger or smaller, they just freeze. Arteries size just gets fixed, so even blood cannot flow. If there is no flexibility in arteries and it becomes like a stiff pipe, what would happen? Such coatings of polish keep on accumulating beyond limits and man himself becomes like a polish. Such person is very artificial. Such drunker will show off superficially lot of goodness in him, [you might] call him gentleman, he is very generous, this, that. All superficial. One who can keep his family starved, one who can show high-handedness with his family, whatever fake gentle behaviour may be exhibited by such a person [voice not clear]. Every one [Adi Gurus] has prohibited liqueur, have prohibited so much. Why they did so? Now Muslims have been prohibited from drinking, but they drink it most. Why did He (prophet Mohammad) prohibit? One must think, that why a man like Prophet Mohammad, prohibited drinking. Shri Nanak prohibited it. In London, no one drinks more than Sikhs. They have even defeated English people there in this. Isn’t it true? In which religion, drinking has been supported? None of the religions would have said so. But in every religion, people drink so much. And our [Adi] Gurus are being insulted. Our whole Nabhi Chakra and our ten Dharmas surrounding it, which are formed by (Adi) Gurus, these ten Dharmas are in our Nabhi. That’s why our Gurus have prohibited that in order to establish our Dharmas. First thing is that you should not be addicted to liqueur or any such thing and become its slave. If you want to be slave, why do you talk about liberation? People think, this slavery is the freedom. If someone tells them that, "Son, don’t drink liqueur", they think that they are being restricted and their freedom is being snatched. (Mother laughs.) Human beings are so mad. They are told not to do something, so that they don’t become slave of these things. Whenever elderly people suggest something, then one must ponder over it, instead of cramming it morning till evening. We must ponder over it that, "Why [such person] has told so?" There must be some good reason behind it. Why so learned or respected people had to say such a thing? Why they told no to this thing in particular? Must thing about it, ponder over it. Any person if thinks over it a little, can understand that such filthy things we have adopted, due to which, Laxmi principle (Tatva) has vanished [from our society]. Laxmi principle has vanished completely from India. Here Laxmi principle is not existing at all and awakening it is also very difficult. Because Laxmi principle is the main leg of divine seeking. Nabhi is the abode of Shri Vishnu and Shri Laxmi, whom we know as power of Shri Vishnu. In this very chakra our seeking begins. When we are at amoeba stage, we seek food. When we evolve to bigger animals, then we seek more food, water, companionship. After that we became humans, so now we seek power, authority and money. Many people are all the time after the food. Morning till evening what to eat, what not to eat, do this thing, do that. They are engrossed in all these things and spoiling [themselves]. Those who have sickness of overeating, are not Laxmipati, they are like beggars. They are never satisfied. Once one of our relative visited us, who happened to be our daughter in law in [distant] relation. She started saying, "In our paternal place we had all this, that." So I said, "A little of that should reflect in you as you don’t have even little contentment. You want to eat this thing, that thing, want to roam around all over. Did your father nurture any satisfaction at all in you or not? If your father was really such a Laxmipati, there would be at least some contentment in you." If you get something fine, else forget about it. When a man reaches such a stage. When he loses his authority, power, money, he learns that he did not find happiness in anything that he had been seeking. Then seeking for the joy begins and that too from Nabhi Chakra. Just due to this seeking, we evolved from amoeba stage to Humans. And due to same seeking though which we seek divine, we evolve from human stage to Super Human [Ati Manav]. We know Self, we know Spirit [Atma]. That’s the reason, Laxmi principle is very important. Around this Laxmi principle is the Dharma. There are ten Dharmas in human beings. Now since you have become modern so go ahead and trash all Dharmas. You have become modern, great! But these ten Dharmas are anyways inside you, these are very much there. If man does not have these ten Dharmas [virtues], he would become evil [rakshasa]. Just like this gold has a dharma that it does not get spoiled [lose its shine], similarly these ten dharmas in you allow you to be humans. There are sub-Dharmas too but basically you have to maintain these ten Dharmas [virtues]. If you disregard these ten Dharmas, you will never be uplifted, you cannot be realized. First unless you establish your Dharmas, you cannot become dharmateet [go beyond Dharmas], cannot rise above them. First these Dharmas have to be established. That’s why all these Adi Gurus have worked so hard, they worked too hard. And we are destroying their hard work with our intellect. We are completely destroying them. Our first primary duty is to establish in these ten Dharmas. But nowadays these gurus have nothing to do with you or your Dharmas. [They would say,] "Okay so you drink? No problem. Get me a bottle too. Okay you keep many women? Okay, no problem you can keep tens of women. Just send one for me too" or "Leave you wife and children with me. Whatever money you have in your pocket, give it to me. I have nothing else to do with you. Whatever business you want to do continue. Whatever money you have in your purse, deposit that here. Then whatever you want, you are free to do." Just today only there was one incidence, she has accompanied me here. She has a cousin sister, who happens to be a princess [or elite personality] too. And her husband is a drunker, very bad man. He was disciple of a guru. She saw his guru and told him that husband tortures her, beats her up, has a keep, drinks etc., "Please tell him something [to mend his ways]. He keeps women, though he is a prince but what to do about him? He is getting so spoiled." So he started saying, "Leave it, why are you worried about all that?" He kept on sucking money from him, as that’s only business guru had with him. Is this a kind of guru? Those who suck money from you, how can they be your gurus? Those who survive on your money, are actually parasites, worse than your servants. At least your servants do some work for you. But such evil people who live on your money should be put in Rakshasa Yoni. And those who go to such people are also dumbest of all, I would say. Why don’t they see this? Can you purchase God? Can you purchase any guru? If some is [real] Guru, would he sell himself? He is a dignified person, you can’t buy him. You can win him with only one thing, your Love, obeisance, devotion. He cannot be influenced by anything else. He has his own dignity, lives in his own prestige, is such a royal person. Why would you care for riches? If you are one, then better stay at your own home. How does it matter to him? He can eat even in plate made of leaves, can sleep on the ground too. If he wishes so, can live in a palace too. He lives the way he wants to. He has no business with you except your love, obeisance and your seeking. If you are true seeker, he will put you on his head. You must look for a Guru, who talks about God, who identifies you with your Spirit. Guru is only one who identifies you with God [Maalik]. You make anyone as Guru. These are not even agurus, they are devils [rakshasa], devils… They give you rings. One who shows you rings, would he talk about God? Don’t you see that they put your attention in a ring? There is one who is teaching nude dancing, teaching immorality [adharma]. Which religion it is all scripted? One more thing we must understand about modern gurus, that they have crafted their own ideas. They have no match with earlier Gurus. The way they used to live, what they taught, their behaviour, things, nothing is in common. Every religion holds a tradition or history. We can say that in all religions, same thing, absolutely same is being preached. Study our Shankracharya, you would understand Sahaja Yoga. Study Kabir, Nanak, Mohammad, Christ you will understand. Right from Confucius and Socrates everyone you see, has only taught Sahaja Yoga. And all these people who make you stand upside down on head, this that, dance etc. to destroy you, how can you accept them as Gurus? Guru has only one identification. One who connects you with God [Maalik] is the Guru and rest are not Gurus. If you are standing on Truth, you have to see only this thing. But man has become so superficial that he looks at the circus instead: how many bells and whistles one has, how many pots one has on his head, how is the hair style, any horns on his head! Guru has only one identification. He does not know anything other than God, he is immersed in that only. Such a person is Guru i.e. much higher than you. But ones you purchase in market, whom you pay, who make fool out of you, hypnotise you. You are tied with them, completely associated with them. What to say about such people? Let me tell you something: in this extreme Kali Yuga, there are many such weird cartoons. Whom to describe? But there is such strong attachment [with such gurus]. Recently in Dehradun [a place in UP state], a lady came [to program]. Her Kundalini was completely frozen like this. So, I asked her which guru she was visiting? She told about some guru she used to visit. I asked her that, "Did you learn about that guru from newspapers or not? He had done something wrong with a eighteen year old girl, whatever he did this girl with 25 more girls. And few others published news about him. It was published ten years ago." She started saying, "Yes I read about this but all that is lie." I asked her, "If that’s lie then what did you get from him?" On this she felt very bad and started saying, "Mataji I am a married woman, I am a good person." Then I told her, "Then why do you even visit such person’s doorstep?" But it’s not that woman is a mischievous or a bad character person, but she is under influence of hypnosis. She is hypnotised. They have no freedom. Guru will sit in temple with them. You go there and offer seva. So big boxes are kept there for donations. 'Seva' means 'you give donations'. And people go there with their pockets full to donate. You go and see anywhere, so big trunks are kept. Even when people touch my feet, someone offers one rupee, sometimes five rupees. [Mother laughs.] I feel like laughing. I mean they got so conditioned. Right. You visit Shri Hanumana temple, there also offer one rupee and a quarter. And for this very reason, everywhere, I mean everywhere they have messed up. They have not spared any holy place. For this very reason, our young sons, those young people wonder, "This is God or some drama?" They have some brain; their minds are still intact. They are developing disbelief. You will be surprised that it has spread in all religions. A gentleman came from Algeria. He was a young engineer, very brilliant fellow. He was also in this protest, "These Muslims are such fanatics, these Mulla's clergies eat up all money and make living out of public’s money and they think of themselves as very great people. Everyone bows before them. Then we saw Pope also, he is another cartoon." So, he came to me with all these disbeliefs. He said all this is falsehood, meaningless. When he came to me, I said thing is that, "If Truth exists then only falsehood will also manifest. When Truth exists, people make false things on its very basis." Right? Truth exists, Absolute exists. Then I told him, "Good now check out Sahaja Yoga. This Sahaja Yoga stands right in between fanaticism and disbeliefs. Here, God himself is with you. You get to realization, experience it. You must fix up yourself then. Unless you establish in Sahaja Yoga, you cannot experience it fully. Those who established themselves, found it. Those who did seek, found it. If you do not seek, the Truth is not going to come to your feet pleading for its seeking. It has its own prestige. One must seek it, one is rewarded with bliss in seeking of truth, as both are same things. Both are same, like moon has its moonlight or sun has its sunlight. Similarly, truth and bliss both are one. When you find the Truth, you're completely drenched in bliss." But this is not about lecturing that I keep giving lectures morning till evening. Lectures give me throat soars. No, it’s about finding it, achieve something, get to know your Spirit. I have seen many such brave hearts who say, "We did not feel anything, Mataji." As if they are very great. It must happen. If nothing happens, it means there is something wrong with you. There is some ailment, you must be sick, may be mentally you aren't okay, might be you bowed before some false guru. If you have bowed your forehead before a false person, which has been made by God in all dignity, it’s all finished. You should not believe me too, blindly. That’s wrong. I want you to find it and if you unbelieve me even after that, then you are biggest fool. What to say about you, if you don’t establish yourself even after [finding truth]? Once you find it [truth], you must establish in it. After establishing you see, your complete powers flow through your hands like this and you can share this bliss with others too. Can give to other too. And how it happens, how it works out, you will slowly understand yourself it as you make progress in it. Amongst these people [Sahaja Yogis] these are many who came to me six months ago, only six months ago. Now this Dr. Bergeogi [name not clear] came six months ago, who is a prominent doctor in London and runs his practice in Germany too. Since he found it [Truth], he is after this thing. Since then, he has cured cancers and many other diseases. Now he says after finding it, everything else looks irrelevant to him. Because when you get to the basic principle and get hold of it, it’s no more difficult to work out other things. Like this, you all have right to get it. That’s why it’s called Sahaja. 'Sah' means 'with[in] you', 'ja' means 'born'. You also have right to get it and all others have rights on it too and you must achieve it. Like one candle can light up another, in same way one realized soul can give realization to others but he must be realized soul. If one candle is not light up, what can it do to another? When second candle is enlightened, it lights up third one too. That’s how this happening takes place and one gets the light within. Now light within does not mean that you see the light. Now this is also very weird thing that people want to see the light. When it’s about seeing something, you are not there. For example, understand it this way: you can see a building from outside but when you enter the building what will you see? Nothing at all! Then you become and don’t see anything. Wherever one sees something, must assume that you are still outside. Those who see the light, it’s like a spark due to short circuit. So, whoever saw the light, tell me, Agnya chakra has problem. It needs to be fixed. Your Kundalini cures all your chakras by itself. She is your mother, everyone’s individual mother. One that you call as “Surati”. She is the “Surati” and she ascents herself, cures you and takes you up there. If you have any defects, I can understand it. She informs about that defect too so that it can be cured. If you have done any mistake, that can be cured too. But one must be in receptive mood that, "Let me receive it and achieve it." Now one thing that was brought up yesterday, is striking someone’s mind today again that it is said that Kundalini Awakening is very difficult, very tough. How is it felt? People often dance, few dance like monkey and what not? Nothing. I have raised Kundalini of thousands and they got realization. It never happens like that. God has given this thing for your benevolence; she is your mother meant for rebirth. She will never cause any pain to you. Instead, she gives you so much comfort. Ailments like cancer are cured by Kundalini awakening. All your diseases can be cured. Such a loving energy which bestows all blessings, is sitting inside you. Having such disbeliefs that we will become monkey or a frog! This thing which evolves you into a super human, would it really turn you into a frog? You must understand this thing! This is difficult for those who are fools, don’t know anything about it. It is difficult task for one who is unauthorized. For one, who is authorized and knows everything about it’s functioning, it’s very simple task to do. Quite possible that I have authority on it and I know all its functions and details, that’s why it rises so easily. You can witness its rising, awakening and its ascent too with your own eyes. And we have filmed this as well. But those who are very doubtful, Sahaja Yoga develops with bit difficulty in such people. One must receive this thing and achieve it. Nowadays such a time has come, in this Kali Yuga that we are living in. I would say actually that we are very weak from spiritual perspective. No sensitivity! We don’t have sensitivity at all. If we understood spirituality, if we knew how to recognize the Spirit, we would have never run behind false gurus. But our ability to recognize Truth has become very lowered, very subdued. We cannot recognize where is the truth. Reason behind that is that we have become so artificial, so artificial. If you become artificial, your ability to recognize truth will be lowered. But as I see in villages even nowadays people recognize it immediately. They immediately know who is truthful and who is not. They have this acumen to know, they can sense that this person is real or fake. As you know urban people become so artificial, they live artificially. They have no sense of recognition. That is why all these thieves are focussed on cities. They all go to cities, don’t work in villages at all. Because people in cities have money in their pocket and that’s what they are interested in. Why would they work in villages? But our Sahaja Yoga works out in villages only. Actually, I visit cities just like that but real work is done in villages. Those villagers who are simple and connected with God, they get it very easily. They don’t take even a second. They don't take even a second! But in cities due to the environment and their life style, people change themselves, they go down in their virtues [dharmas] so much. Now about drinking they say, "What’s wrong in that, everyone must drink for business." As if business is the God. "One must drink essentially, how business would run without drinking." Or otherwise, you say that you do not believe at all in God and virtues [dharma]. And if you believe even a little bit, then you should not do anything not virtuous. Nobody has to drink. This is also a misunderstanding that we have to drink for business etc. One who wants to deceive himself, no one can save such a person. You know my husband. He has been in government job. He ran a big shipping corporation. Even today he has reached great heights. I told him only one thing drinking is beyond me and whole life he even did not touch it, not even a drop. And by grace of almighty, he has been very successful. Everyone honours him, respects him. Till date, has there been even a single statue of a drunker for this was a great drunker? Tell me about any one person, in any country. In England people drink so much. I never saw any such person’s statue there being worshipped for how much he used to drink. Has any drunker got any recognition in this whole world anywhere? Then how can your business prosper with its help? If you lose your reputation, how your business will grow? Business is rewarded for your repute, not by cheating. Should be like if a man stands anywhere, people recognize him and say such a man is there. Why are you mixing yourself in these issues of society, these illusions? You take care of your own personality. God resides within you. It’s foolishness talking on these lines in these times. Saying anything is foolishness. But you don’t know how much you have broken yourself within, how much pushed yourself into slavery. After getting away with such things, what is that I can grant you? You only tell me. Not at the least, you must take a vow that, "I have my self-respect." God Almighty has evolved us from amoeba to human. How difficult task is to develop a tiny amoeba into human. After letting you pass through thousands of yonis, God Almighty has created such beautiful humans. Then he granted you the freedom to make the choice of goodness or perversion. You can embrace anything you like. Do you want to embrace perversion? Go ahead. If You want to embrace goodness, that’s okay too. One must think that the God who created us, with so much effort, must have built-in some arrangement to know him, understand him. Know self and understand the purpose of self and why we are born in this world, what is our fulfilment? Humans never tried to know why we are born in this world? Why don’t scientists think that why amoeba was evolved into human? What’s so greatness within us for which God created us with so much effort and then granted complete freedom. Only at this point, even God surrenders before you since you are free. God cannot take away your freedom. If you have to be settled in the Kingdom of God, to be adorned like a king, then how can you be in bondage? Should hypnosis be used on you? You are completely free. If you like, embrace God in your life or if you wish, go for Satan. God has opened both options for you completely. And everyone has worked so hard for you. Let me tell you all Gurus have inflicted so many miseries for you. All incarnations, Gurus have put in so much of efforts for you people. How much we tortured them, how much we cheated them. They tolerated all those pains in order to establish you, people. But this Kali Yuga came like a typhoon that we forgot everything. And we lost our sensitivity for our soul. So surprising, that we can recognize anyone by his face whether he is a real one or fake. If a person is Godly, it becomes evident from his face. We lost this ability to recognize [truth], that sensitivity within us completely vanished. When Rama came in this world, all knew that he is an incarnation. When Krishna came, all recognized him as an incarnation. But now we are at such times that nobody can recognize anyone. The same thing happened with Christ too. But few people recognized him. But now such time has come that people recognize bhoots and rakshasas as an incarnation. One must pull out from these illusions and one must ask for only one thing that, “O Lord, please be awakened within us. So that we can know ourselves.” Without recognition of Spirit, we cannot know God, can’t know, can’t know. Everything else is futile. All this is a circus. All these, as we call them are external displays. No point in satisfying ourselves with these external shows. You are deceiving yourself only. Who can deceive God? He knows you very well. You are causing losses to yourself only. You must achieve it since it’s your own energy, your own property. The source is right within you. Everything is filled inside you only, you must get it and then must establish yourself in this. I know that in Sahaja Yoga many people come but here people complain that they don’t make progress. I have seen such hopeless people but they have reached great heights. And we thought great about some people, but they are still stationed at the same place. They come back with same issues, same headaches, same problems, same troubles, all those same things still going on as it was before. Their level has risen only this much. In Sahaja yoga, until you give out, you cannot make progress. You will have to give out. As you keep giving to others, you would keep progressing further. If we build a big boat say a ship and we don’t put it in waters, then what’s meaning of this? Just like that, if a man finds God and sits at home, what’s the advantage of lighting such a candle that you place it under a table? The candle is light up so that others may get the light from it. With its light you can see others and see inside you as well. You can see your own Chakras and other’s Chakras too. You can see your own joy and see other’s grief too. And you can know how to give it out to others, where is it getting obstructed, how to correct it. For today’s this is enough. Now let’s meditate and see how many get their realization. You all sit comfortably. Please get the chairs for those who can’t sit down on the floor. Because those who can’t sit down, should not push themselves. Those who are tall, find it difficult to sit down on floor.

Seminar (Hindi). Delhi, India. 9 March 1979. (English Translation from Hindi- still to be revised.) [First 4:53 minutes conversations with new seekers are not translated] [4:54] Shri Krishna has said in our Gita, “Yoga Kshemam Vahamyaham”. This means, "Yoga first." He could say “Kshem” first but he said “Yoga” first and then “Kshem”. “Kshem” means your wellbeing, your Lakshmi Tatva [element]. But first “Yoga” should take place. Until Yoga [union] happens, the divine has no business with you. First, you should experience Yoga i.e. union with Almighty, Atma [Spirit] should awaken within you. When the Spirit is awakened within you, then you enter into the domain of Almighty in reality. Otherwise, just like a crammer [who keeps mugging things], everything remains superficial. Until you know your inner Self, until you have recognition of Self, you do not enter the domain of Almighty. That’s why you are not authorised to get what Almighty has said. Many people put blame on Almighty that we are so much devoted to God, doing so much worshipping, we stand upside down on our head so long, we do this, do that, we offer food [bhog], morning till evening keep chanting, but still why don’t we find Almighty? Reality is that in order to talk to Almighty, you must establish a connection with Him. Until one attains Yoga, Kshem is not possible. 'Kshem' means 'your protection from all sides', Lakshmi Tatva [element] gets awakened within us. Krishna just said “Vahamyaham – I will do”, But He did not explain “how”. So let me explain to you how it works out. When Yoga takes place, Kundalini rises up from triangular bone and pierces through Brahma Randhra (hole in Fontanelle area). When the power of Kundalini pierces through Brahma Randhra, it gets Light/flame [Jyoti] in it because it receives Light/flame (Jyoti) of our Spirit and due to this light, Lakshmi Tatva in Nabhi chakra is awakened. As soon as Lakshmi Tatva is awakened, you will see that from all sides you will get prosperity. If someone becomes very rich, whom we call wealthy, it’s not necessary that he would be prosperous too. Most of the rich people are generally unhappy. More money they have, more stupid they would be. Besides, all sort of dirty things enters their homes like wine, cunningness, lies etc. all sort of such things reside within them. All the time they have fears that the government will come and catch them, they will lose money, this happens, that happens. So, those who are wealthy, are not Lakshmipatis. Because Lakshmi Tatva is not awakened within them, they have just earned money. For them money is just like mud, it does not give any comfort/happiness. We must understand Lakshmi Tatva. Last time, I had explained how Lakshmi has been formed. She has two lotuses in her hands, which are of pink colour. With one hand, she donates and with another gives shelter. Pink colour represents “Love”. If a human does not have love in his heart, he cannot be Lakshmipati. His house should be like a lotus flower. Lotus even gives shelter to an insect called “Bhowra” [black colour insect like a wasp], which is very dry and has sharp spikes on its body which would pinch if you keep it on hand, comforts it and makes it sleep with its glory. Lakshmipati is the one who has a very big heart. One who is very delightful to his guests and to anyone is Lakshmipati. But you see, most of the rich people are the greatest beggars. If you visit their house, they would die of fear of spending some money. One who is always worried about his money that I am losing 4 cents on this, 2 cents on that, save this, how to save something there, such a person cannot be Lakshmipati. A miserly person cannot be Lakshmipati. One who is miser is a miser, he is not Lakshmipati. A miser is poor, very poor. He has no royalty in his behaviour. One who has no royalty in his attitude, should not be called Lakshmipati. One who is royal always lives in a royal manner either in poverty or affluence. He lives like a king. One who is worried about petty things, every penny, this thing, that thing, cannot be a Lakshmipati. Since Lakshmi Tatva is not awakened, he gets a strong catch of Nabhi Chakra. Materialism creeps in such a person, he becomes very materialistic/worldly [jad-wadi]. He picks on every small thing like this is mine, this is my son, blah blah. If all such things get in someone, he is not a Lakshmipati. "Should I steal this person’s thing, steal that person’s thing, take this or take that, everything should be for myself." If someone thinks like this, he is also not a Lakshmipati. One who thinks about others, "If I have a posh house, how many people will be accommodated, if I have some nice things, how many people will feel comfort. How would I welcome others, how would I be able to help others, how would I keep others in my heart?" There is no question of helping others. One thinks that these are my own [kins], "Whatever I am trying to do is, to help myself." Then Lakshmi Tatva is awakened in real. His face, his lifestyle has to be like a lotus, such a person should be fragrant and like one who stinks with pride. One should be very humble. You must have seen Lotus that it is bent little bit downwards. Lotus never stands straight; it’s always bent down little bit. Likewise, at least the two lotuses held by Lakshmiji in her hands, have similar tenderness. While interacting with others, he talks with very cool attitude, with joy, in a very affectionate way. They are not artificial, those lotuses are not made of plastic, but they are real. Such a person should be like a lotus in real. At one hand one has to be beneficent. From his hand, donations should keep on flowing and flowing always. I have seen my father like that. He was very generous person. If he accumulates something in ample, he would donate. He would not get enjoyment, until he donates something. If someone tells him that, "Why don’t you watch out what people are taking away?" On this he answers that, "What should I keep watch on? Who [divine] has to give out is giving away, I am just standing in between? What to see, I feel embarrassed when people say that I am donating." One who is generous like this, the one who does not accumulate anything for himself but keeps giving things to others, he enjoys in giving and not in receiving, such a person is Lakshmipati. Only such a person gets it. One who keeps thinking of himself, "How I or my own children will be benefitted, how will I get better?", such a person is not Lakshmipati, has no grace, he is like a beggar. And with other hand he gives shelter. Whoever comes to his house, takes care with love, care him like his own son. In his house, there are servants, animals and people in his shelter and they all know that he is there to take care of us. If we have any trouble, he will help us. He would get up in middle of night too to help. He does it secretly and does not tell others or make them realize that I have done so much for them. He does it absolutely secretly. Paramatma [God Almighty] is also exactly same. That is Shri Laxmi form of divine in a female form like a mother and she stands on a lotus. Just think about it, in order to stand on a Lotus how much simplicity one has to have, absolutely light [weight] without putting any load on it. That person must be such that he can stand on a Lotus and he does not put pressure on anyone. He must be very humble. Those who show off about their possessions that, "We have this, that, blah blah" cannot be Laxmipati. They must have motherhood, heart like a mother, then we can call them Laxmipati. All these are characteristics of a Laxmipati. And when this element is awakened within, the first this that comes to you is the satisfaction. There is no limit of anything otherwise, you know as they say in Economics that “No needs are satiable in general.” Today you have this thing, so tomorrow you need that thing, then something else and so on. Man keeps running like a mad, there is no end to that. Today I get this so now I need that, something else. But one achieves contentment [with awakening of Laxmi Tatva]. One cannot enjoy anything until he achieves contentment. Because contentment is thing of present, hope is thing of future and disappointment is thing of past. When you stand in contentment, you are fully enjoying your possessions. Otherwise, whatever one gets he says. "Oh that other person has got so much. I want that thing. then why did you get this thing?" When he gets that he again wants something else. Such a person can never enjoy his life and neither can he ascend. Day and night his eye will be only on such things. Things which are in vain, Things which are not important, things which are meaningless in life, things which have nothing to do with joy in life, he keeping chasing only such things in life. But first Yoga must happen then Kshem [wellbeing] follows. Here many Sahaja Yogis have accompanied me, who have been with me in Sahaja Yoga and they have achieved it and progressed in Sahaja Yoga. They progressed financially too, all of them A to Z. Some of them who were penniless earlier, gained hundreds of thousands of rupees [Lacs]. We have such people too here. For instance, this foreigner couple, they wanted to visit India and have been thinking about this. They have money of course. They also achieved financial wellbeing, earned lot of money and enjoyed a comfortable life. But when they were about to travel, a firm offered to sponsor their travel since they had done something for them. Paramatma [Almighty] helps even in such small ways and you save so much of money that you don’t understand what to do with that money. Earlier they used to take drugs, drink and all sorts of things. Lot of money used to get lost in such things. Now I notice that they have good homes, got all good things in their homes, they listen good music, developed all good hobbies, started living a good life, their children became very good. I asked them, "How all this happened?" They answered that, "Earlier we used to waste all of money and had no sense about our whereabouts itself. We were always out of our senses and had no idea about our lifestyle and actions." That’s the reason all Gurus prohibited wine and other such things. This wine is such harmful thing that the moment it enters the house from one side, Shri Laxmi immediately steps out from other. It’s simple accounting. The moment she notices your bottle of wine entering the house, she leaves immediately from other side. Such person never gets blessings of Lakshmi ji. Those who drink, will never have blessings of Lakshmi ji. Of course, they may have lot of money, their sons would waste all their money, wife would run away, something or other will go wrong, children would run away, some or other issues will happen. Tell me about one single home where they drink and have happiness. They cannot be happy, as wine is always against the happiness. That’s why Gurus said “No” to wine especially. Why they prohibited? We must think about it. Afterall they were not insane. Thousands time they told not to drink, "Don’t drink!" Wine is a thing, God never created for drinking. It was created for polishing, doing polish. Tomorrow they will start drinking phenyl [cleaning liquid], what to say about people’s mind? What can one do, if they start drinking anything? Man’s mind is so stupid that anything they like, start drinking it. Who told them to drink? When you drink this polish on the name of wine, all your lever, intestines get polished too. Even your arteries get stiffened with polish. Arteries become so stiff that their tissues are no longer flexible, means they cannot grow bigger or smaller, they just freeze. Arteries size just gets fixed, so even blood cannot flow. If there is no flexibility in arteries and it becomes like a stiff pipe, what would happen? Such coatings of polish keep on accumulating beyond limits and man himself becomes like a polish. Such person is very artificial. Such drunker will show off superficially lot of goodness in him, [you might] call him gentleman, he is very generous, this, that. All superficial. One who can keep his family starved, one who can show high-handedness with his family, whatever fake gentle behaviour may be exhibited by such a person [voice not clear]. Every one [Adi Gurus] has prohibited liqueur, have prohibited so much. Why they did so? Now Muslims have been prohibited from drinking, but they drink it most. Why did He (prophet Mohammad) prohibit? One must think, that why a man like Prophet Mohammad, prohibited drinking. Shri Nanak prohibited it. In London, no one drinks more than Sikhs. They have even defeated English people there in this. Isn’t it true? In which religion, drinking has been supported? None of the religions would have said so. But in every religion, people drink so much. And our [Adi] Gurus are being insulted. Our whole Nabhi Chakra and our ten Dharmas surrounding it, which are formed by (Adi) Gurus, these ten Dharmas are in our Nabhi. That’s why our Gurus have prohibited that in order to establish our Dharmas. First thing is that you should not be addicted to liqueur or any such thing and become its slave. If you want to be slave, why do you talk about liberation? People think, this slavery is the freedom. If someone tells them that, "Son, don’t drink liqueur", they think that they are being restricted and their freedom is being snatched. (Mother laughs.) Human beings are so mad. They are told not to do something, so that they don’t become slave of these things. Whenever elderly people suggest something, then one must ponder over it, instead of cramming it morning till evening. We must ponder over it that, "Why [such person] has told so?" There must be some good reason behind it. Why so learned or respected people had to say such a thing? Why they told no to this thing in particular? Must thing about it, ponder over it. Any person if thinks over it a little, can understand that such filthy things we have adopted, due to which, Laxmi principle (Tatva) has vanished [from our society]. Laxmi principle has vanished completely from India. Here Laxmi principle is not existing at all and awakening it is also very difficult. Because Laxmi principle is the main leg of divine seeking. Nabhi is the abode of Shri Vishnu and Shri Laxmi, whom we know as power of Shri Vishnu. In this very chakra our seeking begins. When we are at amoeba stage, we seek food. When we evolve to bigger animals, then we seek more food, water, companionship. After that we became humans, so now we seek power, authority and money. Many people are all the time after the food. Morning till evening what to eat, what not to eat, do this thing, do that. They are engrossed in all these things and spoiling [themselves]. Those who have sickness of overeating, are not Laxmipati, they are like beggars. They are never satisfied. Once one of our relative visited us, who happened to be our daughter in law in [distant] relation. She started saying, "In our paternal place we had all this, that." So I said, "A little of that should reflect in you as you don’t have even little contentment. You want to eat this thing, that thing, want to roam around all over. Did your father nurture any satisfaction at all in you or not? If your father was really such a Laxmipati, there would be at least some contentment in you." If you get something fine, else forget about it. When a man reaches such a stage. When he loses his authority, power, money, he learns that he did not find happiness in anything that he had been seeking. Then seeking for the joy begins and that too from Nabhi Chakra. Just due to this seeking, we evolved from amoeba stage to Humans. And due to same seeking though which we seek divine, we evolve from human stage to Super Human [Ati Manav]. We know Self, we know Spirit [Atma]. That’s the reason, Laxmi principle is very important. Around this Laxmi principle is the Dharma. There are ten Dharmas in human beings. Now since you have become modern so go ahead and trash all Dharmas. You have become modern, great! But these ten Dharmas are anyways inside you, these are very much there. If man does not have these ten Dharmas [virtues], he would become evil [rakshasa]. Just like this gold has a dharma that it does not get spoiled [lose its shine], similarly these ten dharmas in you allow you to be humans. There are sub-Dharmas too but basically you have to maintain these ten Dharmas [virtues]. If you disregard these ten Dharmas, you will never be uplifted, you cannot be realized. First unless you establish your Dharmas, you cannot become dharmateet [go beyond Dharmas], cannot rise above them. First these Dharmas have to be established. That’s why all these Adi Gurus have worked so hard, they worked too hard. And we are destroying their hard work with our intellect. We are completely destroying them. Our first primary duty is to establish in these ten Dharmas. But nowadays these gurus have nothing to do with you or your Dharmas. [They would say,] "Okay so you drink? No problem. Get me a bottle too. Okay you keep many women? Okay, no problem you can keep tens of women. Just send one for me too" or "Leave you wife and children with me. Whatever money you have in your pocket, give it to me. I have nothing else to do with you. Whatever business you want to do continue. Whatever money you have in your purse, deposit that here. Then whatever you want, you are free to do." Just today only there was one incidence, she has accompanied me here. She has a cousin sister, who happens to be a princess [or elite personality] too. And her husband is a drunker, very bad man. He was disciple of a guru. She saw his guru and told him that husband tortures her, beats her up, has a keep, drinks etc., "Please tell him something [to mend his ways]. He keeps women, though he is a prince but what to do about him? He is getting so spoiled." So he started saying, "Leave it, why are you worried about all that?" He kept on sucking money from him, as that’s only business guru had with him. Is this a kind of guru? Those who suck money from you, how can they be your gurus? Those who survive on your money, are actually parasites, worse than your servants. At least your servants do some work for you. But such evil people who live on your money should be put in Rakshasa Yoni. And those who go to such people are also dumbest of all, I would say. Why don’t they see this? Can you purchase God? Can you purchase any guru? If some is [real] Guru, would he sell himself? He is a dignified person, you can’t buy him. You can win him with only one thing, your Love, obeisance, devotion. He cannot be influenced by anything else. He has his own dignity, lives in his own prestige, is such a royal person. Why would you care for riches? If you are one, then better stay at your own home. How does it matter to him? He can eat even in plate made of leaves, can sleep on the ground too. If he wishes so, can live in a palace too. He lives the way he wants to. He has no business with you except your love, obeisance and your seeking. If you are true seeker, he will put you on his head. You must look for a Guru, who talks about God, who identifies you with your Spirit. Guru is only one who identifies you with God [Maalik]. You make anyone as Guru. These are not even agurus, they are devils [rakshasa], devils… They give you rings. One who shows you rings, would he talk about God? Don’t you see that they put your attention in a ring? There is one who is teaching nude dancing, teaching immorality [adharma]. Which religion it is all scripted? One more thing we must understand about modern gurus, that they have crafted their own ideas. They have no match with earlier Gurus. The way they used to live, what they taught, their behaviour, things, nothing is in common. Every religion holds a tradition or history. We can say that in all religions, same thing, absolutely same is being preached. Study our Shankracharya, you would understand Sahaja Yoga. Study Kabir, Nanak, Mohammad, Christ you will understand. Right from Confucius and Socrates everyone you see, has only taught Sahaja Yoga. And all these people who make you stand upside down on head, this that, dance etc. to destroy you, how can you accept them as Gurus? Guru has only one identification. One who connects you with God [Maalik] is the Guru and rest are not Gurus. If you are standing on Truth, you have to see only this thing. But man has become so superficial that he looks at the circus instead: how many bells and whistles one has, how many pots one has on his head, how is the hair style, any horns on his head! Guru has only one identification. He does not know anything other than God, he is immersed in that only. Such a person is Guru i.e. much higher than you. But ones you purchase in market, whom you pay, who make fool out of you, hypnotise you. You are tied with them, completely associated with them. What to say about such people? Let me tell you something: in this extreme Kali Yuga, there are many such weird cartoons. Whom to describe? But there is such strong attachment [with such gurus]. Recently in Dehradun [a place in UP state], a lady came [to program]. Her Kundalini was completely frozen like this. So, I asked her which guru she was visiting? She told about some guru she used to visit. I asked her that, "Did you learn about that guru from newspapers or not? He had done something wrong with a eighteen year old girl, whatever he did this girl with 25 more girls. And few others published news about him. It was published ten years ago." She started saying, "Yes I read about this but all that is lie." I asked her, "If that’s lie then what did you get from him?" On this she felt very bad and started saying, "Mataji I am a married woman, I am a good person." Then I told her, "Then why do you even visit such person’s doorstep?" But it’s not that woman is a mischievous or a bad character person, but she is under influence of hypnosis. She is hypnotised. They have no freedom. Guru will sit in temple with them. You go there and offer seva. So big boxes are kept there for donations. 'Seva' means 'you give donations'. And people go there with their pockets full to donate. You go and see anywhere, so big trunks are kept. Even when people touch my feet, someone offers one rupee, sometimes five rupees. [Mother laughs.] I feel like laughing. I mean they got so conditioned. Right. You visit Shri Hanumana temple, there also offer one rupee and a quarter. And for this very reason, everywhere, I mean everywhere they have messed up. They have not spared any holy place. For this very reason, our young sons, those young people wonder, "This is God or some drama?" They have some brain; their minds are still intact. They are developing disbelief. You will be surprised that it has spread in all religions. A gentleman came from Algeria. He was a young engineer, very brilliant fellow. He was also in this protest, "These Muslims are such fanatics, these Mulla's clergies eat up all money and make living out of public’s money and they think of themselves as very great people. Everyone bows before them. Then we saw Pope also, he is another cartoon." So, he came to me with all these disbeliefs. He said all this is falsehood, meaningless. When he came to me, I said thing is that, "If Truth exists then only falsehood will also manifest. When Truth exists, people make false things on its very basis." Right? Truth exists, Absolute exists. Then I told him, "Good now check out Sahaja Yoga. This Sahaja Yoga stands right in between fanaticism and disbeliefs. Here, God himself is with you. You get to realization, experience it. You must fix up yourself then. Unless you establish in Sahaja Yoga, you cannot experience it fully. Those who established themselves, found it. Those who did seek, found it. If you do not seek, the Truth is not going to come to your feet pleading for its seeking. It has its own prestige. One must seek it, one is rewarded with bliss in seeking of truth, as both are same things. Both are same, like moon has its moonlight or sun has its sunlight. Similarly, truth and bliss both are one. When you find the Truth, you're completely drenched in bliss." But this is not about lecturing that I keep giving lectures morning till evening. Lectures give me throat soars. No, it’s about finding it, achieve something, get to know your Spirit. I have seen many such brave hearts who say, "We did not feel anything, Mataji." As if they are very great. It must happen. If nothing happens, it means there is something wrong with you. There is some ailment, you must be sick, may be mentally you aren't okay, might be you bowed before some false guru. If you have bowed your forehead before a false person, which has been made by God in all dignity, it’s all finished. You should not believe me too, blindly. That’s wrong. I want you to find it and if you unbelieve me even after that, then you are biggest fool. What to say about you, if you don’t establish yourself even after [finding truth]? Once you find it [truth], you must establish in it. After establishing you see, your complete powers flow through your hands like this and you can share this bliss with others too. Can give to other too. And how it happens, how it works out, you will slowly understand yourself it as you make progress in it. Amongst these people [Sahaja Yogis] these are many who came to me six months ago, only six months ago. Now this Dr. Bergeogi [name not clear] came six months ago, who is a prominent doctor in London and runs his practice in Germany too. Since he found it [Truth], he is after this thing. Since then, he has cured cancers and many other diseases. Now he says after finding it, everything else looks irrelevant to him. Because when you get to the basic principle and get hold of it, it’s no more difficult to work out other things. Like this, you all have right to get it. That’s why it’s called Sahaja. 'Sah' means 'with[in] you', 'ja' means 'born'. You also have right to get it and all others have rights on it too and you must achieve it. Like one candle can light up another, in same way one realized soul can give realization to others but he must be realized soul. If one candle is not light up, what can it do to another? When second candle is enlightened, it lights up third one too. That’s how this happening takes place and one gets the light within. Now light within does not mean that you see the light. Now this is also very weird thing that people want to see the light. When it’s about seeing something, you are not there. For example, understand it this way: you can see a building from outside but when you enter the building what will you see? Nothing at all! Then you become and don’t see anything. Wherever one sees something, must assume that you are still outside. Those who see the light, it’s like a spark due to short circuit. So, whoever saw the light, tell me, Agnya chakra has problem. It needs to be fixed. Your Kundalini cures all your chakras by itself. She is your mother, everyone’s individual mother. One that you call as “Surati”. She is the “Surati” and she ascents herself, cures you and takes you up there. If you have any defects, I can understand it. She informs about that defect too so that it can be cured. If you have done any mistake, that can be cured too. But one must be in receptive mood that, "Let me receive it and achieve it." Now one thing that was brought up yesterday, is striking someone’s mind today again that it is said that Kundalini Awakening is very difficult, very tough. How is it felt? People often dance, few dance like monkey and what not? Nothing. I have raised Kundalini of thousands and they got realization. It never happens like that. God has given this thing for your benevolence; she is your mother meant for rebirth. She will never cause any pain to you. Instead, she gives you so much comfort. Ailments like cancer are cured by Kundalini awakening. All your diseases can be cured. Such a loving energy which bestows all blessings, is sitting inside you. Having such disbeliefs that we will become monkey or a frog! This thing which evolves you into a super human, would it really turn you into a frog? You must understand this thing! This is difficult for those who are fools, don’t know anything about it. It is difficult task for one who is unauthorized. For one, who is authorized and knows everything about it’s functioning, it’s very simple task to do. Quite possible that I have authority on it and I know all its functions and details, that’s why it rises so easily. You can witness its rising, awakening and its ascent too with your own eyes. And we have filmed this as well. But those who are very doubtful, Sahaja Yoga develops with bit difficulty in such people. One must receive this thing and achieve it. Nowadays such a time has come, in this Kali Yuga that we are living in. I would say actually that we are very weak from spiritual perspective. No sensitivity! We don’t have sensitivity at all. If we understood spirituality, if we knew how to recognize the Spirit, we would have never run behind false gurus. But our ability to recognize Truth has become very lowered, very subdued. We cannot recognize where is the truth. Reason behind that is that we have become so artificial, so artificial. If you become artificial, your ability to recognize truth will be lowered. But as I see in villages even nowadays people recognize it immediately. They immediately know who is truthful and who is not. They have this acumen to know, they can sense that this person is real or fake. As you know urban people become so artificial, they live artificially. They have no sense of recognition. That is why all these thieves are focussed on cities. They all go to cities, don’t work in villages at all. Because people in cities have money in their pocket and that’s what they are interested in. Why would they work in villages? But our Sahaja Yoga works out in villages only. Actually, I visit cities just like that but real work is done in villages. Those villagers who are simple and connected with God, they get it very easily. They don’t take even a second. They don't take even a second! But in cities due to the environment and their life style, people change themselves, they go down in their virtues [dharmas] so much. Now about drinking they say, "What’s wrong in that, everyone must drink for business." As if business is the God. "One must drink essentially, how business would run without drinking." Or otherwise, you say that you do not believe at all in God and virtues [dharma]. And if you believe even a little bit, then you should not do anything not virtuous. Nobody has to drink. This is also a misunderstanding that we have to drink for business etc. One who wants to deceive himself, no one can save such a person. You know my husband. He has been in government job. He ran a big shipping corporation. Even today he has reached great heights. I told him only one thing drinking is beyond me and whole life he even did not touch it, not even a drop. And by grace of almighty, he has been very successful. Everyone honours him, respects him. Till date, has there been even a single statue of a drunker for this was a great drunker? Tell me about any one person, in any country. In England people drink so much. I never saw any such person’s statue there being worshipped for how much he used to drink. Has any drunker got any recognition in this whole world anywhere? Then how can your business prosper with its help? If you lose your reputation, how your business will grow? Business is rewarded for your repute, not by cheating. Should be like if a man stands anywhere, people recognize him and say such a man is there. Why are you mixing yourself in these issues of society, these illusions? You take care of your own personality. God resides within you. It’s foolishness talking on these lines in these times. Saying anything is foolishness. But you don’t know how much you have broken yourself within, how much pushed yourself into slavery. After getting away with such things, what is that I can grant you? You only tell me. Not at the least, you must take a vow that, "I have my self-respect." God Almighty has evolved us from amoeba to human. How difficult task is to develop a tiny amoeba into human. After letting you pass through thousands of yonis, God Almighty has created such beautiful humans. Then he granted you the freedom to make the choice of goodness or perversion. You can embrace anything you like. Do you want to embrace perversion? Go ahead. If You want to embrace goodness, that’s okay too. One must think that the God who created us, with so much effort, must have built-in some arrangement to know him, understand him. Know self and understand the purpose of self and why we are born in this world, what is our fulfilment? Humans never tried to know why we are born in this world? Why don’t scientists think that why amoeba was evolved into human? What’s so greatness within us for which God created us with so much effort and then granted complete freedom. Only at this point, even God surrenders before you since you are free. God cannot take away your freedom. If you have to be settled in the Kingdom of God, to be adorned like a king, then how can you be in bondage? Should hypnosis be used on you? You are completely free. If you like, embrace God in your life or if you wish, go for Satan. God has opened both options for you completely. And everyone has worked so hard for you. Let me tell you all Gurus have inflicted so many miseries for you. All incarnations, Gurus have put in so much of efforts for you people. How much we tortured them, how much we cheated them. They tolerated all those pains in order to establish you, people. But this Kali Yuga came like a typhoon that we forgot everything. And we lost our sensitivity for our soul. So surprising, that we can recognize anyone by his face whether he is a real one or fake. If a person is Godly, it becomes evident from his face. We lost this ability to recognize [truth], that sensitivity within us completely vanished. When Rama came in this world, all knew that he is an incarnation. When Krishna came, all recognized him as an incarnation. But now we are at such times that nobody can recognize anyone. The same thing happened with Christ too. But few people recognized him. But now such time has come that people recognize bhoots and rakshasas as an incarnation. One must pull out from these illusions and one must ask for only one thing that, “O Lord, please be awakened within us. So that we can know ourselves.” Without recognition of Spirit, we cannot know God, can’t know, can’t know. Everything else is futile. All this is a circus. All these, as we call them are external displays. No point in satisfying ourselves with these external shows. You are deceiving yourself only. Who can deceive God? He knows you very well. You are causing losses to yourself only. You must achieve it since it’s your own energy, your own property. The source is right within you. Everything is filled inside you only, you must get it and then must establish yourself in this. I know that in Sahaja Yoga many people come but here people complain that they don’t make progress. I have seen such hopeless people but they have reached great heights. And we thought great about some people, but they are still stationed at the same place. They come back with same issues, same headaches, same problems, same troubles, all those same things still going on as it was before. Their level has risen only this much. In Sahaja yoga, until you give out, you cannot make progress. You will have to give out. As you keep giving to others, you would keep progressing further. If we build a big boat say a ship and we don’t put it in waters, then what’s meaning of this? Just like that, if a man finds God and sits at home, what’s the advantage of lighting such a candle that you place it under a table? The candle is light up so that others may get the light from it. With its light you can see others and see inside you as well. You can see your own Chakras and other’s Chakras too. You can see your own joy and see other’s grief too. And you can know how to give it out to others, where is it getting obstructed, how to correct it. For today’s this is enough. Now let’s meditate and see how many get their realization. You all sit comfortably. Please get the chairs for those who can’t sit down on the floor. Because those who can’t sit down, should not push themselves. Those who are tall, find it difficult to sit down on floor.

3/10/1979

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Seminar Day 2, Bharatvarsha Yoga Bhoomi

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Bharatvarsha Yoga Bhoomi, Seminar in Delhi (India), 10 March 1979. (Day 2) This morning, I told you people, in English, that the Divine has indeed created you. Whether you realize its significance or not, It exists. And the way He has created you all, that it also a specialty. I told you in the morning how, in a designated time-frame, human being was created from a miniscule amoeba. Now that a human has been created, what’s the way forward? Is there anything substantial for him on the cards or will he keep loitering around? So, I told you that God has given you the luxury of freedom: choose the Divine or the Devil, it’s your choice. This is your own freedom; God has no role to play in your choice. If you follow the wrong path, you will bear certain implications and if you choose the right path, you will receive certain blessings of it. To show the very difference between right and wrong paths, many incarnations came on this earth. Several Gurus, who were the real Gurus, came in this world and spoke about the power of knowledge and instructed people to steer clear of extremism. Each time they saw mankind moving towards its destruction, they have incarnated. All these incarnations fulfilled their designated works but that, in no way means that those incarnations came and left. They have their inner milestones defined in us; their reflections drawn within us. As we progressed, we created our respective temples in their names. We know that Guru Nanaka incarnated. Today only, I went (unclear) [by the same route], saw the water body created by him, so many vibrations were flowing from it, it was so fulfilling being in that place. So, did he take his incarnation only to create that water body and left? No! His personality was so great that he built a temple for himself in our hearts. Within ourselves, there is a place for Shri Nanaka, that’s how it is built. I shall explain in full detail all about the locations of these Gurus within ourselves and how they guard us. God has created us with such finesse, even if you look at your eye, what a fascinating mechanism it is! Due to this mechanism, you can walk, talk, eat – and remember the Divine while performing all your worldly duties. It is apparent that He must have placed something within us, due to which we recognize Him. That built-in mechanism is indeed within us! However, the way it has been described, people either rubbish its idea or they think it is a big lie or they simply exploit its idea, make money, make fake promises of claiming a union with the Divine and then ask the seeker to pay as per his “devotion” to the Divine. In the garb of devotion, they keep exploiting you. The dharma that was established within you, these people erected it outside [created respective temples] and now started making money on it. But today’s seekers are bright and educated, and they wonder why money is being associated with devotion, why such violence! Crimes that even goons do not commit, these people commit in the name of dharma. So, should you believe in such religion [dharma]? This is indeed the best time for Sahaja Yoga to appear on the horizon. I conveyed yesterday that in between blind faith and disbelief, it was necessary for Sahaja Yoga to appear. Which is why, this is indeed the time when you should achieve your Realization, your recognition of the Divine. When people claim this land of India to be a “yoga bhoomi” [the land of Yoga], especially the Hindu dominating majority, I feel like laughing! Do these Hindus even know what they are talking about? They don’t even know what spiritual treasures were discovered by our great sages. Ours is a very special country. Look around, there is only a roof above and its open from all 4 sides. In this environment, you can easily listen to My lecture. However, in London, I bet if you can sit even for 10 mins like this! Extreme weather – perpetual rain, biting cold, a person can’t even walk conveniently. Such countries are bearing the extremity of Mother Nature. It is difficult to even walk around. If you have to leave the house, it will take you half an hour easily. Dare you go out without your shoes, socks, warmers and head scarves? Those who are born in such countries, have to put up with the extremities of Nature, they are challenged by Nature. Such challenges externalized their attention and they thought, “Let’s build houses that can bear the cold, create rain-friendly transportation.” Otherwise, the weather takes its toll on them. We people are very lucky in this matter. You don’t even realize that in such balanced weather conditions, a satisfied person can live under a tree or a jungle. In terms of eatables, it is indeed a salubrious arrangement. In the West, there’s nothing that grows on trees. All foods are tinned, you don’t know for how long they have been kept in the tins. Even fishes are imported from Australia and New Zealand. Now try comparing (India and the West). So many things are available here which aren’t available there. For example, if you wear silk or cotton there, those people think you must be very rich! Otherwise, here [in the West] you can’t wear anything except nylon. Even if you wear cotton, it is more nylon mixed in it, simply because cotton is so expensive that people long to wear it. In Rs 200, I would rather buy a voile sari [voile – a soft cotton like fabric], 200 is more than enough. In these countries, there is no easy living. Going out and managing the Weather-Gods becomes essential, else survival is difficult. No one can live there the way you people are living here. God must have created this country in a special way. You can view the moon and the stars in the night, the sun in the morning. Those people long to see the sun. Such bizarre countries where you don’t see the sun for a good 6 months! Hence, this country is fit for everyday hassle-free living. In such a country, people paid attention to the Divine, thought about this entire creation as well as the Creator, the innate powers who are driven upon a bigger power. They introspected and made their discoveries. They found out that there are gracious powers of the Divine within us. We have a reflection of the Divine within us, that we call the ‘Spirit’. When a human being discovers his Spirit, a connection is established and those gracious powers of the Divine unfold themselves. The Divine energy starts flowing through the seeker’s hands and the seeker himself becomes divine. Nobody has worked out on this topic more than in India, not even in a thousand years. Hence, India is called the ‘Yoga bhoomi’ [the land of yoga]. You must thank the Divine and acknowledge that you must be having a great spiritual-legacy in you, due to which you got a chance to be born here. You can, of course, complain about the electricity problems, buses and trams irregularities. Well, these man-made arrangements are absurd. It is possible that those provisions may be better in those places [West]. However, the internal provisions and powers created by the Divine are so efficient, when you imbibe them, all your works can be done without you having to go anywhere or discuss anything. Sit in one place and call everyone. You will be surprised. But let’s understand that you cannot see pictures of what’s happening in London or Japan but whatever is happening here, you can see. If you put a television, you can see everything. In the same way, when your divine mechanism starts working and you integrate with the Divine, you can work out several things very efficiently. You will be amazed at how your works will get fulfilled. You can find your divine sanction on everything. An introspective personality can even bring clouds in the sky, breeze, winters or summers and even call out to the sun, everything! He can control all the five elements. When you get to know of these powers and when you get the power to awaken all these powers, when you go to your source and reach the sources of these powers as well, know your principles as well as the principles of this great power, you can control anything, create anything. Look at this place now, when I came here for the first time, this land was absolutely barren. When I came here, people said, “Mother, this is a horrible place!” I asked, “Why?” They told Me, "Negative entities [bhoots] roam around here in the nights. Some people even died. People even rob each other". They had no clue what to do with this useless piece of land. They asked for something fruitful to be done about this. "Filthy people arrive here, they disturb everyone in such a way as if negative entities were walking in". All this happened around five, seven years ago. I said, “Ok, get three coconuts.” See how simple it is. I asked for three coconuts, charged them with vibrations. Once they get vibrated, they get awakened. Now these vibrations, they think, act, attack and become as 'weapons', in their own way. The powers of all the Deities are within them. You can fulfil all your purposes with them. After vibrating, I told them, “You can keep the coconuts here.” From that day onwards, all the negativities started running away. Mr. Bhat said, “Some negativities still come, but then, they wonder why, they run amok, ‘Don’t enter!’.” Those entities know what a coconut is all about. I shall explain it to you scientifically. The vibrations, that are flowing through your hands, see their importance! In Rahuri, there is a full-fledged Agricultural Organization that contains a large university, ten times the size here. Spread across 25 miles at least, there are very beautiful expanses of the university which comprises great researchers, who are actually like Sahaja Yogis, the professors who are there. They came to Me and complained about the anti-social elements, goons in Rahuri, who would disrupt everything. The whole place seemed infested with negativity and the question remained: how to change it? I said, “Get three coconuts again, I shall vibrate them for you.” 'To vibrate' means to lovingly put the vibrations into them. Nobody has experimented with the power of love; everyone uses the power of hatred. The power of love, these vibrations, Shri Adi Shankaracharya has called them ‘saundarya lahari’ [saundarya = beauty, lahari = wave: “waves of divine beauty’], these are the very waves that regulate the universal processes. Nobody cared to know of this power or use it. All our political organizations are based on the principles of hate. If they understood the inner power of love, all these wars would stop and wisdom would be restored in the universe. So, I was telling you about the power of love. They brought the three coconuts and asked me, “Mother, please do something about them. Let’s place them inside the garden”. I said, “Ok”. I vibrated them. Now that the vibrations were flowing through them, they placed the coconuts in the garden. Out of a sheer blunder, somebody created a staircase above them, someone else cemented them. After a few days, I saw that the cement broke and three trees emerged out of it. Now it is a place where no coconut trees ever grow! Secondly, the dried-up coconuts became even drier. Now they had brought to Me those dry coconuts that never grow there. They grew up and even produced three trees. When I extended My hands towards the coconuts, they were emitting vibrations. After that day, the university, where there was so much hue and cry, began to function well, with no obstructions whatsoever. All because of those three coconuts! You can go there and verify if all this is true or not. The first time when a person finds God, the reflection of the Spirit pulsates in him, he offers something to the nature. We are forever using the nature for our own benefit; we do not offer anything in return. It is worthy of seeing that for the first time, man can offer vibrations to the nature in order to awaken it. Another example, once a man got a whole lot of wheat vibrated from Me and sowed it in the fields. That is also a government recognized 'Research Institute' comprising many researchers. When the seeds sprouted, they looked like pearls, beautiful and shiny, a kind of sheen to it. His yield was ten times more. So much wheat was saved. He thought he should save some wheat for further seeding. He put them in sacks and stored in go-down which was infested with mice. He mentioned that they ate other things but there was not a single hole in the sacks where vibrated wheat was stored. Even the mice know about the divine things. But in today’s times, we are surrounded by such superficiality that we do not know the difference between divine and devilish natures. Nobody sees the difference; we are all sitting in the illusion of what is divine and what is demonic. A divine confusion indeed! Such is our condition today. We have fallen from our humanism as well, due to which at least we recognized Shri Rama, Shri Sita and Shri Krishna. In these modern times [Kali Yuga], it is impossible to recognize whether somebody is Rama or Ravana. In this manner, I can give you many instances from which we can see that these vibrations that flow through us, with these vibrations we can govern over things in a divine way, rule the roost in a loving manner. Many people ask Me, “Mother, when you say India is indeed the yoga bhoomi and we can achieve everything by mere introspection, why is our country in such a pathetic state?” People ask Me, “We should be adorned with glory from all directions. When such great saints and evolved souls were born here who discovered such spiritual treasures then why such a sad state?” It is as if the lotus were complaining for having emerged from muck and were now telling the muck to become like the lotus. I feel people belong to this muck. Have people done anything about this matter? One should think about it. How many people in today’s times know about the books written by Shri Adi Shankaracharya? Shelly, Keats, useless people, Byron etc. Just taking these names would require you to bathe in the Ganges, they were such filthy people. By reading from such filthy authors, poets, we feel we have achieved some very great knowledge. How will God bless such Indians? It is surprising that Mc Laughlin left English for us but without revealing which so-called literary works to ignore, which findings to discard. You are reading psychology here, reading all foreign material, what do they have? You see there are two very accomplished doctors here, from the foreign shores who themselves say, “Medicine is irrelevant”. All these things that I am telling you, are already written but nobody reads them. Who has time to read? We have all become English men who do not wish to know anything about ourselves. If only we knew how pure our country is, the purity on which the entire world is surviving today. If only we knew how such great Indian saints performed severe penances to discover such profound spiritual principles. Had we practiced these principles, awakened the Lakshmi principle [within us and of our country] who could have dared reduce us to such a sad state of affairs? There is no beggar like us today. The sad part is that in spite of having all the wealth and means [Lakshmi] we still extend our hands to the West for help. Which knowledge there is sponsored by Me? Which knowledge have these people exhibited to see the affairs to their countries? Too much filth in the West. Value-systems deteriorating. All social values stand impaired. You cannot venture out post 6 pm, goons and anti-social elements rule the places. All devilish intent infested in those places. In a way, we too, support such elements. We people are no less. Our specialty lies in the fact that with the kind of nonsense they are doing, we are doing more nonsensical things and becoming English men like them. In the name of culture, whatever we are selling has no Indian depth in it. We do not even look for what is our innate attribute. The way we have been assimilated, the very core of our being, nobody knows and some two or four people who claimed to know, I haven’t seen bigger thieves than those. Creating filth in the garb of Kundalini awakening, that’s what the Tantrikas are doing. Kundalini is your mother. Do you understand what ‘mother’ means? What a pure attribute there is, such a pious relation. Everyone has his or her own exclusive Mother. To awaken that Kundalini, you invoke all filthy practices. If you misbehave with your mother, it is indeed a kind of an abuse. At least, every Indian should know how the Kundalini will be awakened if She is our Mother. How God has created us in a very special way, transformed us from an amoeba to a human being and we didn’t even get to know. See how fast this earth rotates, we don’t even get to know, the way it is taking care of us. We are more delicate than roses! Would that Divine place anything within us awakening which would harm us? Why such orthodox thoughts? This is indeed an era of absurdity, blind faith and propaganda in the name of Kabir, Nanaka, Tukaram, Gyaneshwara etc. Whoever reinstated that blind faith does not mean, faith in the divine was crucified. In this very country, those people were traumatized. Sadly, even today, we like people who bring in a kind of circus, befool you, take money from you. Because if Shri Mataji was saying, “What will you give Me, My son? I am, after all, your Mother. So, don’t do this”, then you would no longer appreciate Shri Mataji! But if you can pay somebody a reasonable amount, your ego also gets satisfied, hence you like such people. Such people will very nicely take your ego on a pleasure trip, dupe you all for 30-40 crores and abscond! Now if you like being befooled, carry on. At least do not blame the Divine for this nuisance, this blame totally falls on the human beings, especially Indians. Just where has their attention gone? Where is the attention of the Indians? It seemed to be in place earlier. There was slavery, those chains of oppression had to be broken. There is no slavery now. If only our attention stayed in place. My attention remained on one or two people. They used to work hard, attain their Spirits. As soon as they came back, if they come in front of you and start stating things, you people are the reason for it. But you were too busy pleasing the English men. You adopted everything that is Western. I don’t mean the English language, but adopting the western sensibility which is so superficial – devoid of any depth or essence. Everything is jumbled up! I have seen enough so-called intellectuals there. I asked them, “Did you achieve anything?” The times of Socrates were different. His preaching couldn’t get worldly recognition. People were flabbergasted by His knowledge. Everyone said, “It’s good, there is no God. Everyone could shoulder the Divine”. Now move further. Let’s kill the idea of Divine and then talk about him. So, what are you discovering now? Stone! Discovered electricity, bravo! What joy did you find in discovering electricity? Your eyes are still not open to the truth! Even if you reached the moon, so what? You can’t even cure cancer. We can cure it with Sahaja Yoga. You splurged all your money. After showing-off so much, what did they [false gurus] give you? Alcohol! The very habit that breaks households the world over! You must pay attention to our lost spiritual legacies, think about the powers that reside in our bodies. The powers that we know are the divine powers, we must recognize them. Not only this, but we know as inner-knowledge, that we must attain that Spirit. Its knowledge is the most available to the Indians, not so much in the outer countries. Lots of people come to My program but not everyone achieves it. In India, fewer people walk in but nearly everyone achieves his Self-realization. How you say, “Water-water everywhere, not a drop to drink!” [People scattered everywhere but very few seekers in sight.] In India, not too many people turn up, they have no time. Very busy people in our country. Busy fighting, insulting each other but no time to attain their Spirit. But the knowledge that lies above all forms of knowledge, only that is worth attaining. It must be attained, its time has arrived, hence, you are receiving it. This is indeed the “blossom time”, which is why you are receiving and enjoying it, you must receive it. I wanted to tell you about the Kundalini, what it is, where it is located, the corresponding chakras but look at these people, they didn’t bring them [new seekers]. So, I shall tell you tomorrow morning about the Kundalini, where it is located, how it ascends, the corresponding chakras, the presiding deities, how these deities are, whether or not they exist, what is the essence of it! A snippet of information here, the Bhavasagara [Void] that resides here, it surrounds the Nabhi. This is why I spoke about the arrival of the ten Gurus right from the ancient: Moses, Abraham, Socrates till King Janaka, after that Prophet Mohammed, Guru Nanaka and the most recent, Sainath of Shirdi. All these are the culmination of the same principle (tattva), the principle of Shri Dattatreya. When I say so, all the so-called intellectuals will cringe, “What is Mother saying?” But when one of these intellectuals get cancer, the ‘status quo’ changes. Especially if that person is a doctor. There was a doctor from Tehran who had stomach cancer. When he approached Me, I conveyed to him, “You have too much blind faith, isn’t it?” He said, “I only believe in Islam”. I told him that he had no real clue of who Prophet Mohammad was. I said, “This is why you got cancer.” He was surprised. I have seen several times that it is out of such fundamentalism, one gets cancer. I told him, “Mohammad Sahab, himself, is very angry with you.” He asked me why. I said, “Do you have any recognition for his other form of incarnation like Guru Nanaka?” He refused and said he can never believe in anyone except Mohammed. So, I told him, “I cannot cure you.” He left. A doctor suffering from cancer, I knew he would not be cured. So, he came back to Me and said he was now agreeing with Me. So, I told him to take the names of Guru Nanaka, Shri Dattatreya. He started recovering. Similarly, a Brahmin comes to see Me in Pune. Pune, as you know, is the hub of Brahmins. Yet, those who are not enlightened are not Brahmins. The twice-born are only those who are born twice: only these are qualified to be Brahmins. The twice-born has no caste, is away from caste, they are beyond any attributes (gunateet). It is a very great designation, to be a Brahmin. Nobody is born a Brahmin. All these are just misunderstandings that, “We are Brahmins by birth, by our lineage”. Moreover, what do they do professionally? They make shoes in factories but call themselves Brahmins! There was a lot of hue and cry on this issue. They started saying that this is indeed written in the Gita. I said, “I have not studied the Gita but yes, I know everything, it cannot be written”. They asked Me why. So, I said, “Who wrote Gita?” They answered, “Sage Vyasa.” I asked them whose son was Vyasa? Who was his mother? A fisherwoman (bhimreen). She was not even married to Rishi Parashar when the sage Ved Vyasa was born! The one whose father is not known, such a ‘Ved Vyasa’, would he write something like this that, “A Brahmin is a Brahmin by birth”? Why would he bring so much trouble upon himself on his own? Do you know who Valmiki was? Have you seen all the incarnations, wherever they took place? Have you seen how Shri Krishna preferred to eat spinach at Vidur’s place [a very humble Minister in the kingdom]? Why? Not that he didn’t get any food anywhere else. He ate there just to show how this casteism is indeed such a myth and it must end. Rama ate berries that were already eaten by low-class woman. Would you do it? An elderly woman, poor, wearing dirty clothes with barely two teeth left. She chewed [tested for their sweetness] all those berries before offering them to Rama. Would you eat, like that? How many of you? But Shri Rama did eat indeed. It is described so beautifully how He says, “These berries are so precious to me, am not going to share them at all, never eaten such berries, priceless indeed.” He teased Sita ji, “I shall not even share them with you.” So She yearned, “Why such antics? Give me some of this prasad too. Why would you eat all of it?” Firstly, Lakshmana got annoyed. As he saw Sita ji eating, he urged her, his sister-in-law, to share some of the berries. Such a beautiful description of this love, the love of a lower caste woman. The praises of such love are sung across countries, with every incarnation setting examples but in India, we still fight elections on casteism. I wonder if these people have lost their brains or not. Caste is not decided built by birth; it was built according to one’s inclination. Those who used to seek the Divine in political affairs were called ‘Kshatriyas’ and those who would seek Him in ‘Brahma’ were indeed called ‘the ‘Brahmins’. You people are Brahmins because you are indeed seeking the Divine. It is because of these vices such as casteism that the whole machinery of our country has gone to dogs. Falling into such extremes. I don’t understand why all this was not explained in any scriptures. If you read the views of the torchbearer of Hinduism, Shri Adi Shankaracharya, he wrote, “No yoga, no seeking.” He has never written on casteism. I don’t know which books you read and brought the vice of casteism in this world. He only wrote in praise of Mother. After producing a rather fragrant literary work called ‘Vivek Chudamani’ he moved on to writing ‘Saundara lahari’ in which he has provided an unparalleled depiction of the Goddess. He has written all the mantras in it. Every verse (sloka) is a mantra! I don’t know from where these people got such twisted ideas and call themselves ‘Indians’. An Indian who does not know anything about Kundalini, I can never call him an Indian. You people know that My husband is a government official. I couldn’t find a single government, an employee who knew about the Kundalini, very surprising! When I went to Japan, people approached Me asking about the Kundalini. They said they have never met an Indian who knew about the Kundalini, they only know about horoscopes (kundli)but nobody knows about the Kundalini. The findings of the Kundalini are indeed above all technologies/discoveries such as the atomic bomb. The entire humanity can be transformed with it [Kundalini-awakening], it is a dynamic force! A very great power. To awaken your Lakshmi Tattva, there is no other path. In the West, people have progressed a lot, externally but they have become empty/hollow from within. But we people, we didn’t make any external progress and at the same time, let our inner treasure also vanish. If only we are aware of these powers, that have been spoken about aeons ago, it’s just about knowing these powers! The day is not far when the entire world will reap the benefits of these powers and be engulfed in its joy! But first and foremost, we must know that we are Indians, it is our right to know of this power. Now, in the US and London, doctors keep inviting me to come and share this spiritual knowledge. I kept stalling till now, kept thinking, after all, this knowledge is Indian. How will I explain those people about ‘Ganesha Tattva’? Here, I kept telling the doctors to whom I have given three or four lectures, they keep reading, God knows what! But I kept telling them to meditate, take their Self-realization but they simply don’t ascend! If they are themselves sick, they send the patients to Me. What to do with such people! On top of it, they tell Me, “Please make statistics about how many you cured.” Don’t I have any other job to do? I told them, “You people don’t understand, you are like machines yourselves. I don’t do these works for money. This is the labour of love which you do not understand. If people arrive at your house to eat food, do you send them back after duly noting the names of all those people who ate in your house? Just how much they ate? This is the feast of My love for you, how will I keep a record of how many knocked at my doorstep and received My love? Is this the way? Is it ethical? Does it have any decency?” The money-makers, how will they understand my love? Yes, if there were any ayurvedic doctors of the earlier times, they would have understood Me. This is a labour of love. I am distributing love, take it or leave it – it is free of cost, priceless! You can’t pay for it but you can certainly enjoy it. And then I said, “You are spoiling My joy, don’t you teach Me these statistics.” I said, “Is there a new auditor among us that one has to keep a record of patients who have been cured? The diseases? What not?” I don’t even check any paperwork. I don’t even [know] your names. You people know that in the morning, a woman who was suffering from multiple sclerosis went back cured, I didn’t even know her name. She just came, sat in My feet and got cured, finished. What is the point of knowing everyone’s names? Does river Ganga ever keep a record of people who took away some water of Her holy streams? These people cannot understand because they don’t have the delicacy of love in their hearts. They cannot understand. Nevertheless, all the people who have understood this and ascended in their paths, are enough for Me. It is indeed My fortune to see so many of you sitting here ready to avail their Realization. Still, I’d like to reiterate that in Maharashtrian village, I work and it works out much faster there. In Dehradun as well, I have seen that the natives are very sensitive. Hence, I know when I shall start My work here, many seekers will arise, as I had said in the morning. And then many thieves also appear for you people. Demands precede the supply; people’s pockets are full. There are too many thieves waiting around you. They come, charge you, you pay them the money to listen to their lectures and think you are indeed very lucky, such nuisance! Keep harping about being a random guru’s disciple and what about your disease? Paralysis? This way, you should understand that Sahaja Yoga will gain momentum. People in the cities are surrounded by superficiality. They something real throbbing with life, for which they need to leave their artificiality. In front of Me, all you people are like little children. You may be very well-accomplished, on higher posts but that doesn’t work with Me. I don’t understand. I am not that intelligent. This is why you should accept this spiritual knowledge with immense humility and go deeper in your ascent. Only the one who goes deeper can rise, in the real sense of the term. Those who do not wish to delve deeper into this subject and prefer to remain at a superficial level, this knowledge has no business to be there with that sort of a person. This profound knowledge requires a profound person. If you are a deep personality, you can gain a lot. One thing I would like to add here, the West has progressed so much that they have ensured not to derive any enjoyment from what is the very source of joy. We keep taking the life out of the dead. Like, if a tree dies, they build a chair out of it but we cannot derive any enjoyment out of it. On the contrary, we get habituated. Such people, despite being superficial, ultimately when they realize the truth, they stick to it lock, stock and barrel! These [superficial, egotistic] people have been voracious readers [of spiritual books]. They even read Shri Adi Shankaracharya. Listen to their interpretations and you will wonder where have these progenies come from? Each one brighter than the other, even if a few of them come [in Sahaja Yoga], but these are indeed the evolved souls. And you will wonder how they renounced everything to ensure one becomes his own master. It is worth the thought that today, in order to discover the spiritual wisdom of Indian scriptures, research findings, I have to go there. It is a sheer coincidence that I had to go. My husband got elected and there, I met seekers who had to be brought in Sahaja Yoga for their awakening. When will that day arrive when Indian youth will discard the frivolity of cinema, delve deeper into spirituality, go abroad to spread the spiritual wisdom of India? This Sahaja Yoga is a living process. When such a day will arrive, I don’t know. I am waiting for such a day when the youth will come forward, surrender themselves to this divine initiative and adopt it in their lives. May God bless you!

Bharatvarsha Yoga Bhoomi, Seminar in Delhi (India), 10 March 1979. (Day 2) This morning, I told you people, in English, that the Divine has indeed created you. Whether you realize its significance or not, It exists. And the way He has created you all, that it also a specialty. I told you in the morning how, in a designated time-frame, human being was created from a miniscule amoeba. Now that a human has been created, what’s the way forward? Is there anything substantial for him on the cards or will he keep loitering around? So, I told you that God has given you the luxury of freedom: choose the Divine or the Devil, it’s your choice. This is your own freedom; God has no role to play in your choice. If you follow the wrong path, you will bear certain implications and if you choose the right path, you will receive certain blessings of it. To show the very difference between right and wrong paths, many incarnations came on this earth. Several Gurus, who were the real Gurus, came in this world and spoke about the power of knowledge and instructed people to steer clear of extremism. Each time they saw mankind moving towards its destruction, they have incarnated. All these incarnations fulfilled their designated works but that, in no way means that those incarnations came and left. They have their inner milestones defined in us; their reflections drawn within us. As we progressed, we created our respective temples in their names. We know that Guru Nanaka incarnated. Today only, I went (unclear) [by the same route], saw the water body created by him, so many vibrations were flowing from it, it was so fulfilling being in that place. So, did he take his incarnation only to create that water body and left? No! His personality was so great that he built a temple for himself in our hearts. Within ourselves, there is a place for Shri Nanaka, that’s how it is built. I shall explain in full detail all about the locations of these Gurus within ourselves and how they guard us. God has created us with such finesse, even if you look at your eye, what a fascinating mechanism it is! Due to this mechanism, you can walk, talk, eat – and remember the Divine while performing all your worldly duties. It is apparent that He must have placed something within us, due to which we recognize Him. That built-in mechanism is indeed within us! However, the way it has been described, people either rubbish its idea or they think it is a big lie or they simply exploit its idea, make money, make fake promises of claiming a union with the Divine and then ask the seeker to pay as per his “devotion” to the Divine. In the garb of devotion, they keep exploiting you. The dharma that was established within you, these people erected it outside [created respective temples] and now started making money on it. But today’s seekers are bright and educated, and they wonder why money is being associated with devotion, why such violence! Crimes that even goons do not commit, these people commit in the name of dharma. So, should you believe in such religion [dharma]? This is indeed the best time for Sahaja Yoga to appear on the horizon. I conveyed yesterday that in between blind faith and disbelief, it was necessary for Sahaja Yoga to appear. Which is why, this is indeed the time when you should achieve your Realization, your recognition of the Divine. When people claim this land of India to be a “yoga bhoomi” [the land of Yoga], especially the Hindu dominating majority, I feel like laughing! Do these Hindus even know what they are talking about? They don’t even know what spiritual treasures were discovered by our great sages. Ours is a very special country. Look around, there is only a roof above and its open from all 4 sides. In this environment, you can easily listen to My lecture. However, in London, I bet if you can sit even for 10 mins like this! Extreme weather – perpetual rain, biting cold, a person can’t even walk conveniently. Such countries are bearing the extremity of Mother Nature. It is difficult to even walk around. If you have to leave the house, it will take you half an hour easily. Dare you go out without your shoes, socks, warmers and head scarves? Those who are born in such countries, have to put up with the extremities of Nature, they are challenged by Nature. Such challenges externalized their attention and they thought, “Let’s build houses that can bear the cold, create rain-friendly transportation.” Otherwise, the weather takes its toll on them. We people are very lucky in this matter. You don’t even realize that in such balanced weather conditions, a satisfied person can live under a tree or a jungle. In terms of eatables, it is indeed a salubrious arrangement. In the West, there’s nothing that grows on trees. All foods are tinned, you don’t know for how long they have been kept in the tins. Even fishes are imported from Australia and New Zealand. Now try comparing (India and the West). So many things are available here which aren’t available there. For example, if you wear silk or cotton there, those people think you must be very rich! Otherwise, here [in the West] you can’t wear anything except nylon. Even if you wear cotton, it is more nylon mixed in it, simply because cotton is so expensive that people long to wear it. In Rs 200, I would rather buy a voile sari [voile – a soft cotton like fabric], 200 is more than enough. In these countries, there is no easy living. Going out and managing the Weather-Gods becomes essential, else survival is difficult. No one can live there the way you people are living here. God must have created this country in a special way. You can view the moon and the stars in the night, the sun in the morning. Those people long to see the sun. Such bizarre countries where you don’t see the sun for a good 6 months! Hence, this country is fit for everyday hassle-free living. In such a country, people paid attention to the Divine, thought about this entire creation as well as the Creator, the innate powers who are driven upon a bigger power. They introspected and made their discoveries. They found out that there are gracious powers of the Divine within us. We have a reflection of the Divine within us, that we call the ‘Spirit’. When a human being discovers his Spirit, a connection is established and those gracious powers of the Divine unfold themselves. The Divine energy starts flowing through the seeker’s hands and the seeker himself becomes divine. Nobody has worked out on this topic more than in India, not even in a thousand years. Hence, India is called the ‘Yoga bhoomi’ [the land of yoga]. You must thank the Divine and acknowledge that you must be having a great spiritual-legacy in you, due to which you got a chance to be born here. You can, of course, complain about the electricity problems, buses and trams irregularities. Well, these man-made arrangements are absurd. It is possible that those provisions may be better in those places [West]. However, the internal provisions and powers created by the Divine are so efficient, when you imbibe them, all your works can be done without you having to go anywhere or discuss anything. Sit in one place and call everyone. You will be surprised. But let’s understand that you cannot see pictures of what’s happening in London or Japan but whatever is happening here, you can see. If you put a television, you can see everything. In the same way, when your divine mechanism starts working and you integrate with the Divine, you can work out several things very efficiently. You will be amazed at how your works will get fulfilled. You can find your divine sanction on everything. An introspective personality can even bring clouds in the sky, breeze, winters or summers and even call out to the sun, everything! He can control all the five elements. When you get to know of these powers and when you get the power to awaken all these powers, when you go to your source and reach the sources of these powers as well, know your principles as well as the principles of this great power, you can control anything, create anything. Look at this place now, when I came here for the first time, this land was absolutely barren. When I came here, people said, “Mother, this is a horrible place!” I asked, “Why?” They told Me, "Negative entities [bhoots] roam around here in the nights. Some people even died. People even rob each other". They had no clue what to do with this useless piece of land. They asked for something fruitful to be done about this. "Filthy people arrive here, they disturb everyone in such a way as if negative entities were walking in". All this happened around five, seven years ago. I said, “Ok, get three coconuts.” See how simple it is. I asked for three coconuts, charged them with vibrations. Once they get vibrated, they get awakened. Now these vibrations, they think, act, attack and become as 'weapons', in their own way. The powers of all the Deities are within them. You can fulfil all your purposes with them. After vibrating, I told them, “You can keep the coconuts here.” From that day onwards, all the negativities started running away. Mr. Bhat said, “Some negativities still come, but then, they wonder why, they run amok, ‘Don’t enter!’.” Those entities know what a coconut is all about. I shall explain it to you scientifically. The vibrations, that are flowing through your hands, see their importance! In Rahuri, there is a full-fledged Agricultural Organization that contains a large university, ten times the size here. Spread across 25 miles at least, there are very beautiful expanses of the university which comprises great researchers, who are actually like Sahaja Yogis, the professors who are there. They came to Me and complained about the anti-social elements, goons in Rahuri, who would disrupt everything. The whole place seemed infested with negativity and the question remained: how to change it? I said, “Get three coconuts again, I shall vibrate them for you.” 'To vibrate' means to lovingly put the vibrations into them. Nobody has experimented with the power of love; everyone uses the power of hatred. The power of love, these vibrations, Shri Adi Shankaracharya has called them ‘saundarya lahari’ [saundarya = beauty, lahari = wave: “waves of divine beauty’], these are the very waves that regulate the universal processes. Nobody cared to know of this power or use it. All our political organizations are based on the principles of hate. If they understood the inner power of love, all these wars would stop and wisdom would be restored in the universe. So, I was telling you about the power of love. They brought the three coconuts and asked me, “Mother, please do something about them. Let’s place them inside the garden”. I said, “Ok”. I vibrated them. Now that the vibrations were flowing through them, they placed the coconuts in the garden. Out of a sheer blunder, somebody created a staircase above them, someone else cemented them. After a few days, I saw that the cement broke and three trees emerged out of it. Now it is a place where no coconut trees ever grow! Secondly, the dried-up coconuts became even drier. Now they had brought to Me those dry coconuts that never grow there. They grew up and even produced three trees. When I extended My hands towards the coconuts, they were emitting vibrations. After that day, the university, where there was so much hue and cry, began to function well, with no obstructions whatsoever. All because of those three coconuts! You can go there and verify if all this is true or not. The first time when a person finds God, the reflection of the Spirit pulsates in him, he offers something to the nature. We are forever using the nature for our own benefit; we do not offer anything in return. It is worthy of seeing that for the first time, man can offer vibrations to the nature in order to awaken it. Another example, once a man got a whole lot of wheat vibrated from Me and sowed it in the fields. That is also a government recognized 'Research Institute' comprising many researchers. When the seeds sprouted, they looked like pearls, beautiful and shiny, a kind of sheen to it. His yield was ten times more. So much wheat was saved. He thought he should save some wheat for further seeding. He put them in sacks and stored in go-down which was infested with mice. He mentioned that they ate other things but there was not a single hole in the sacks where vibrated wheat was stored. Even the mice know about the divine things. But in today’s times, we are surrounded by such superficiality that we do not know the difference between divine and devilish natures. Nobody sees the difference; we are all sitting in the illusion of what is divine and what is demonic. A divine confusion indeed! Such is our condition today. We have fallen from our humanism as well, due to which at least we recognized Shri Rama, Shri Sita and Shri Krishna. In these modern times [Kali Yuga], it is impossible to recognize whether somebody is Rama or Ravana. In this manner, I can give you many instances from which we can see that these vibrations that flow through us, with these vibrations we can govern over things in a divine way, rule the roost in a loving manner. Many people ask Me, “Mother, when you say India is indeed the yoga bhoomi and we can achieve everything by mere introspection, why is our country in such a pathetic state?” People ask Me, “We should be adorned with glory from all directions. When such great saints and evolved souls were born here who discovered such spiritual treasures then why such a sad state?” It is as if the lotus were complaining for having emerged from muck and were now telling the muck to become like the lotus. I feel people belong to this muck. Have people done anything about this matter? One should think about it. How many people in today’s times know about the books written by Shri Adi Shankaracharya? Shelly, Keats, useless people, Byron etc. Just taking these names would require you to bathe in the Ganges, they were such filthy people. By reading from such filthy authors, poets, we feel we have achieved some very great knowledge. How will God bless such Indians? It is surprising that Mc Laughlin left English for us but without revealing which so-called literary works to ignore, which findings to discard. You are reading psychology here, reading all foreign material, what do they have? You see there are two very accomplished doctors here, from the foreign shores who themselves say, “Medicine is irrelevant”. All these things that I am telling you, are already written but nobody reads them. Who has time to read? We have all become English men who do not wish to know anything about ourselves. If only we knew how pure our country is, the purity on which the entire world is surviving today. If only we knew how such great Indian saints performed severe penances to discover such profound spiritual principles. Had we practiced these principles, awakened the Lakshmi principle [within us and of our country] who could have dared reduce us to such a sad state of affairs? There is no beggar like us today. The sad part is that in spite of having all the wealth and means [Lakshmi] we still extend our hands to the West for help. Which knowledge there is sponsored by Me? Which knowledge have these people exhibited to see the affairs to their countries? Too much filth in the West. Value-systems deteriorating. All social values stand impaired. You cannot venture out post 6 pm, goons and anti-social elements rule the places. All devilish intent infested in those places. In a way, we too, support such elements. We people are no less. Our specialty lies in the fact that with the kind of nonsense they are doing, we are doing more nonsensical things and becoming English men like them. In the name of culture, whatever we are selling has no Indian depth in it. We do not even look for what is our innate attribute. The way we have been assimilated, the very core of our being, nobody knows and some two or four people who claimed to know, I haven’t seen bigger thieves than those. Creating filth in the garb of Kundalini awakening, that’s what the Tantrikas are doing. Kundalini is your mother. Do you understand what ‘mother’ means? What a pure attribute there is, such a pious relation. Everyone has his or her own exclusive Mother. To awaken that Kundalini, you invoke all filthy practices. If you misbehave with your mother, it is indeed a kind of an abuse. At least, every Indian should know how the Kundalini will be awakened if She is our Mother. How God has created us in a very special way, transformed us from an amoeba to a human being and we didn’t even get to know. See how fast this earth rotates, we don’t even get to know, the way it is taking care of us. We are more delicate than roses! Would that Divine place anything within us awakening which would harm us? Why such orthodox thoughts? This is indeed an era of absurdity, blind faith and propaganda in the name of Kabir, Nanaka, Tukaram, Gyaneshwara etc. Whoever reinstated that blind faith does not mean, faith in the divine was crucified. In this very country, those people were traumatized. Sadly, even today, we like people who bring in a kind of circus, befool you, take money from you. Because if Shri Mataji was saying, “What will you give Me, My son? I am, after all, your Mother. So, don’t do this”, then you would no longer appreciate Shri Mataji! But if you can pay somebody a reasonable amount, your ego also gets satisfied, hence you like such people. Such people will very nicely take your ego on a pleasure trip, dupe you all for 30-40 crores and abscond! Now if you like being befooled, carry on. At least do not blame the Divine for this nuisance, this blame totally falls on the human beings, especially Indians. Just where has their attention gone? Where is the attention of the Indians? It seemed to be in place earlier. There was slavery, those chains of oppression had to be broken. There is no slavery now. If only our attention stayed in place. My attention remained on one or two people. They used to work hard, attain their Spirits. As soon as they came back, if they come in front of you and start stating things, you people are the reason for it. But you were too busy pleasing the English men. You adopted everything that is Western. I don’t mean the English language, but adopting the western sensibility which is so superficial – devoid of any depth or essence. Everything is jumbled up! I have seen enough so-called intellectuals there. I asked them, “Did you achieve anything?” The times of Socrates were different. His preaching couldn’t get worldly recognition. People were flabbergasted by His knowledge. Everyone said, “It’s good, there is no God. Everyone could shoulder the Divine”. Now move further. Let’s kill the idea of Divine and then talk about him. So, what are you discovering now? Stone! Discovered electricity, bravo! What joy did you find in discovering electricity? Your eyes are still not open to the truth! Even if you reached the moon, so what? You can’t even cure cancer. We can cure it with Sahaja Yoga. You splurged all your money. After showing-off so much, what did they [false gurus] give you? Alcohol! The very habit that breaks households the world over! You must pay attention to our lost spiritual legacies, think about the powers that reside in our bodies. The powers that we know are the divine powers, we must recognize them. Not only this, but we know as inner-knowledge, that we must attain that Spirit. Its knowledge is the most available to the Indians, not so much in the outer countries. Lots of people come to My program but not everyone achieves it. In India, fewer people walk in but nearly everyone achieves his Self-realization. How you say, “Water-water everywhere, not a drop to drink!” [People scattered everywhere but very few seekers in sight.] In India, not too many people turn up, they have no time. Very busy people in our country. Busy fighting, insulting each other but no time to attain their Spirit. But the knowledge that lies above all forms of knowledge, only that is worth attaining. It must be attained, its time has arrived, hence, you are receiving it. This is indeed the “blossom time”, which is why you are receiving and enjoying it, you must receive it. I wanted to tell you about the Kundalini, what it is, where it is located, the corresponding chakras but look at these people, they didn’t bring them [new seekers]. So, I shall tell you tomorrow morning about the Kundalini, where it is located, how it ascends, the corresponding chakras, the presiding deities, how these deities are, whether or not they exist, what is the essence of it! A snippet of information here, the Bhavasagara [Void] that resides here, it surrounds the Nabhi. This is why I spoke about the arrival of the ten Gurus right from the ancient: Moses, Abraham, Socrates till King Janaka, after that Prophet Mohammed, Guru Nanaka and the most recent, Sainath of Shirdi. All these are the culmination of the same principle (tattva), the principle of Shri Dattatreya. When I say so, all the so-called intellectuals will cringe, “What is Mother saying?” But when one of these intellectuals get cancer, the ‘status quo’ changes. Especially if that person is a doctor. There was a doctor from Tehran who had stomach cancer. When he approached Me, I conveyed to him, “You have too much blind faith, isn’t it?” He said, “I only believe in Islam”. I told him that he had no real clue of who Prophet Mohammad was. I said, “This is why you got cancer.” He was surprised. I have seen several times that it is out of such fundamentalism, one gets cancer. I told him, “Mohammad Sahab, himself, is very angry with you.” He asked me why. I said, “Do you have any recognition for his other form of incarnation like Guru Nanaka?” He refused and said he can never believe in anyone except Mohammed. So, I told him, “I cannot cure you.” He left. A doctor suffering from cancer, I knew he would not be cured. So, he came back to Me and said he was now agreeing with Me. So, I told him to take the names of Guru Nanaka, Shri Dattatreya. He started recovering. Similarly, a Brahmin comes to see Me in Pune. Pune, as you know, is the hub of Brahmins. Yet, those who are not enlightened are not Brahmins. The twice-born are only those who are born twice: only these are qualified to be Brahmins. The twice-born has no caste, is away from caste, they are beyond any attributes (gunateet). It is a very great designation, to be a Brahmin. Nobody is born a Brahmin. All these are just misunderstandings that, “We are Brahmins by birth, by our lineage”. Moreover, what do they do professionally? They make shoes in factories but call themselves Brahmins! There was a lot of hue and cry on this issue. They started saying that this is indeed written in the Gita. I said, “I have not studied the Gita but yes, I know everything, it cannot be written”. They asked Me why. So, I said, “Who wrote Gita?” They answered, “Sage Vyasa.” I asked them whose son was Vyasa? Who was his mother? A fisherwoman (bhimreen). She was not even married to Rishi Parashar when the sage Ved Vyasa was born! The one whose father is not known, such a ‘Ved Vyasa’, would he write something like this that, “A Brahmin is a Brahmin by birth”? Why would he bring so much trouble upon himself on his own? Do you know who Valmiki was? Have you seen all the incarnations, wherever they took place? Have you seen how Shri Krishna preferred to eat spinach at Vidur’s place [a very humble Minister in the kingdom]? Why? Not that he didn’t get any food anywhere else. He ate there just to show how this casteism is indeed such a myth and it must end. Rama ate berries that were already eaten by low-class woman. Would you do it? An elderly woman, poor, wearing dirty clothes with barely two teeth left. She chewed [tested for their sweetness] all those berries before offering them to Rama. Would you eat, like that? How many of you? But Shri Rama did eat indeed. It is described so beautifully how He says, “These berries are so precious to me, am not going to share them at all, never eaten such berries, priceless indeed.” He teased Sita ji, “I shall not even share them with you.” So She yearned, “Why such antics? Give me some of this prasad too. Why would you eat all of it?” Firstly, Lakshmana got annoyed. As he saw Sita ji eating, he urged her, his sister-in-law, to share some of the berries. Such a beautiful description of this love, the love of a lower caste woman. The praises of such love are sung across countries, with every incarnation setting examples but in India, we still fight elections on casteism. I wonder if these people have lost their brains or not. Caste is not decided built by birth; it was built according to one’s inclination. Those who used to seek the Divine in political affairs were called ‘Kshatriyas’ and those who would seek Him in ‘Brahma’ were indeed called ‘the ‘Brahmins’. You people are Brahmins because you are indeed seeking the Divine. It is because of these vices such as casteism that the whole machinery of our country has gone to dogs. Falling into such extremes. I don’t understand why all this was not explained in any scriptures. If you read the views of the torchbearer of Hinduism, Shri Adi Shankaracharya, he wrote, “No yoga, no seeking.” He has never written on casteism. I don’t know which books you read and brought the vice of casteism in this world. He only wrote in praise of Mother. After producing a rather fragrant literary work called ‘Vivek Chudamani’ he moved on to writing ‘Saundara lahari’ in which he has provided an unparalleled depiction of the Goddess. He has written all the mantras in it. Every verse (sloka) is a mantra! I don’t know from where these people got such twisted ideas and call themselves ‘Indians’. An Indian who does not know anything about Kundalini, I can never call him an Indian. You people know that My husband is a government official. I couldn’t find a single government, an employee who knew about the Kundalini, very surprising! When I went to Japan, people approached Me asking about the Kundalini. They said they have never met an Indian who knew about the Kundalini, they only know about horoscopes (kundli)but nobody knows about the Kundalini. The findings of the Kundalini are indeed above all technologies/discoveries such as the atomic bomb. The entire humanity can be transformed with it [Kundalini-awakening], it is a dynamic force! A very great power. To awaken your Lakshmi Tattva, there is no other path. In the West, people have progressed a lot, externally but they have become empty/hollow from within. But we people, we didn’t make any external progress and at the same time, let our inner treasure also vanish. If only we are aware of these powers, that have been spoken about aeons ago, it’s just about knowing these powers! The day is not far when the entire world will reap the benefits of these powers and be engulfed in its joy! But first and foremost, we must know that we are Indians, it is our right to know of this power. Now, in the US and London, doctors keep inviting me to come and share this spiritual knowledge. I kept stalling till now, kept thinking, after all, this knowledge is Indian. How will I explain those people about ‘Ganesha Tattva’? Here, I kept telling the doctors to whom I have given three or four lectures, they keep reading, God knows what! But I kept telling them to meditate, take their Self-realization but they simply don’t ascend! If they are themselves sick, they send the patients to Me. What to do with such people! On top of it, they tell Me, “Please make statistics about how many you cured.” Don’t I have any other job to do? I told them, “You people don’t understand, you are like machines yourselves. I don’t do these works for money. This is the labour of love which you do not understand. If people arrive at your house to eat food, do you send them back after duly noting the names of all those people who ate in your house? Just how much they ate? This is the feast of My love for you, how will I keep a record of how many knocked at my doorstep and received My love? Is this the way? Is it ethical? Does it have any decency?” The money-makers, how will they understand my love? Yes, if there were any ayurvedic doctors of the earlier times, they would have understood Me. This is a labour of love. I am distributing love, take it or leave it – it is free of cost, priceless! You can’t pay for it but you can certainly enjoy it. And then I said, “You are spoiling My joy, don’t you teach Me these statistics.” I said, “Is there a new auditor among us that one has to keep a record of patients who have been cured? The diseases? What not?” I don’t even check any paperwork. I don’t even [know] your names. You people know that in the morning, a woman who was suffering from multiple sclerosis went back cured, I didn’t even know her name. She just came, sat in My feet and got cured, finished. What is the point of knowing everyone’s names? Does river Ganga ever keep a record of people who took away some water of Her holy streams? These people cannot understand because they don’t have the delicacy of love in their hearts. They cannot understand. Nevertheless, all the people who have understood this and ascended in their paths, are enough for Me. It is indeed My fortune to see so many of you sitting here ready to avail their Realization. Still, I’d like to reiterate that in Maharashtrian village, I work and it works out much faster there. In Dehradun as well, I have seen that the natives are very sensitive. Hence, I know when I shall start My work here, many seekers will arise, as I had said in the morning. And then many thieves also appear for you people. Demands precede the supply; people’s pockets are full. There are too many thieves waiting around you. They come, charge you, you pay them the money to listen to their lectures and think you are indeed very lucky, such nuisance! Keep harping about being a random guru’s disciple and what about your disease? Paralysis? This way, you should understand that Sahaja Yoga will gain momentum. People in the cities are surrounded by superficiality. They something real throbbing with life, for which they need to leave their artificiality. In front of Me, all you people are like little children. You may be very well-accomplished, on higher posts but that doesn’t work with Me. I don’t understand. I am not that intelligent. This is why you should accept this spiritual knowledge with immense humility and go deeper in your ascent. Only the one who goes deeper can rise, in the real sense of the term. Those who do not wish to delve deeper into this subject and prefer to remain at a superficial level, this knowledge has no business to be there with that sort of a person. This profound knowledge requires a profound person. If you are a deep personality, you can gain a lot. One thing I would like to add here, the West has progressed so much that they have ensured not to derive any enjoyment from what is the very source of joy. We keep taking the life out of the dead. Like, if a tree dies, they build a chair out of it but we cannot derive any enjoyment out of it. On the contrary, we get habituated. Such people, despite being superficial, ultimately when they realize the truth, they stick to it lock, stock and barrel! These [superficial, egotistic] people have been voracious readers [of spiritual books]. They even read Shri Adi Shankaracharya. Listen to their interpretations and you will wonder where have these progenies come from? Each one brighter than the other, even if a few of them come [in Sahaja Yoga], but these are indeed the evolved souls. And you will wonder how they renounced everything to ensure one becomes his own master. It is worth the thought that today, in order to discover the spiritual wisdom of Indian scriptures, research findings, I have to go there. It is a sheer coincidence that I had to go. My husband got elected and there, I met seekers who had to be brought in Sahaja Yoga for their awakening. When will that day arrive when Indian youth will discard the frivolity of cinema, delve deeper into spirituality, go abroad to spread the spiritual wisdom of India? This Sahaja Yoga is a living process. When such a day will arrive, I don’t know. I am waiting for such a day when the youth will come forward, surrender themselves to this divine initiative and adopt it in their lives. May God bless you!

3/11/1979

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Discours Talk about Gandhi. Delhi, India. 11 March 1979. [English translation from Hindi] I had talked about Vishuddhi Chakra, now it is from this Vishuddhi Chakra that you get collective consciousness. I had told you that Krishna is a complete incarnation because he is Virata. Virata is that power with which you get complete assimilation. In the heart there is power of Shivaji and in the stomach, there is power of Gurus and in the Swadishthan Chakra there is Brahmadeva’s power, and in the brain, there is Brahmadeva’s power you can say, and when Virata is enlightened, when Virata’s Sahasrara opens, then all the cells and tissues inside it also get their Sahasrara opened. In the Bible, it is said that God has made man as He is Himself, made his own image. And this is true, as Virata is so you all are. The only difference is that He is the doer and you have been made. This is the only difference that He has made and you have been made. Now He desires that you should know Him, He desires, this is His desire, you have been made because it was His desire. And after making you, He now wants that you should know Him. Because this is His desire it will have to be fulfilled. He has already done a complete preparation for this; in us the complete instrument has been made. The complete thing has been made as I told you in the morning today, and now all that you need to do is get connected to Him. As soon as you get connected to Him, as soon as your Kundalini rises and pierces through your Sahasrara, you realize that you are not alone, as if you are many small, small [cells]. (Sit down, all are getting disturbed, don’t walk about because they get disturbed you see, just sit at one place. When attention gets disturbed, the Kundalini slips down). All this has happened because of His desire and you can know Him only when He desires for it. That is why when I say this is sahaj, effortless, when you do effort, you go away from His desire; when you try, you go away from His desire; when you make any desire you go away from His desire. When everything is left on His desire then we call it 'faith', then we call it 'trust'. If human beings can leave everything on God and say, "Do whatever You wish to do, You are everything", if a human being can do this, then there is no reason that he will go astray. Because in reality He holds your hand and makes you walk. But if you think that you can drag yourself and work hard on yourself [your Self] to hold Him, then it is not going to work out. He has to hold you, not you. One way is that by force you hold him, you run towards Him and try to hold Him, you won’t be able to. But if you ask him like a small child that, "Please hold my hand, please hold my hand and walk, it is all in Your hand, hold my hand and take me as you wish", then the human being starts walking on the right path and on the path of dharma. But as soon as the human being starts making efforts he goes astray. Because he does not know. His Spirit cannot guide, he does not know where to go. Like small children, whose eyes are still not open completely, they are totally dependent upon their mother. Their food, drinking, everything she looks after. She looks why the child is crying, she knows everything. Whether the child tells her or not she knows everything, what is her child’s need, she immediately understands. Because the child is very innocent. We lose our innocence when we start working and planning, we will do this, we will do that, we will achieve God, we will go to the Himalayas, and all problems of the world. Because of all this the human being has committed so many mistakes, he has drifted so much away from Virata. Imagine if in our body this nose thinks that, "I will do something and show", but you have been put in place of the nose so keep sitting in your place. But if it insists that, "I will do something", then a trunk will come out in its place. This is called 'an arbitrary act'. When humans become arbitrary, when he starts thinking from his own end that he will do this and show. "I will do that and show", then he is arbitrary, "On my own." And when cancer starts developing, it is because of such cells only which are arbitrary. Malignancy sets in. If one cell says that, "I will only increase, I want to go ahead and I want to go and see", then it starts increasing and it becomes malignant. Its problem goes to another, the other also becomes malignant, the third one gets this problem that too becomes malignant. When you are connected to the whole and you think, "He is sitting and will do whatever is to be done", with this kind of thinking the human being remains in the centre. Now you say that, "If we keep sitting on this, nothing will happen for us", whatever will happen for you, it will not happen for anyone else; whatever benefit will happen to you, it will not happen for anyone else. You will be able to rise much more than others. In every aspect I can say that it will happen. But you think that, "We will do something and show." Ramdas Swami has said, "Alpdharisht paye”, you want to do something, go ahead, do it, then when you stumble and fumble down, get hurt, then you blame God that, "We did so much effort, so much we called God, then why did this mistake happen?" Who had asked you to do so much effort? It is better to sit in one place silently that to bang yourself here and there like a blind. And then put down your hand and come and tell me, “Mother how could this happen?” All these things that humans do are surprising. Individually they do, but more surprising is that such people make a collective of this. Once there was some organisation of such kind and you see that Pope made a very big organisation of this kind, Muslims have made another, Hindus have made another, someone else had made another one, meaning malignancy cells have come up and all these are malignant cells which eat up the society. To join these or to bring them together what is the element? What is the cementing force for this? Hatred, bitterness, jealousy, competition! Because Muslims are like that, Hindus are like that, because Christians are like this Muslims are like this. All is relative, nothing is absolute. So, when such things develop, then in Virata the cells are formed which are malignant, and today’s Kali Yuga map is such that in all the Virata is full of cancer. If there is one type of cancer in India then in England it is another type of cancer. In America, there is a third type of cancer. Anywhere you go you will find people are suffering from cancer. And they have made such false constitutions, they are working on such hollow principles that it is surprising to see how these institutions are standing. I was shocked to see the Pope, two long robes and with such big, big diamonds put here and here, he moves about and thinks he is a special appointee of Christ. Our Adi Shankaracharya Maharaj who is no more now, and here the residing Adi Shankaracharya, I have heard that in London he gets he is getting a golden dome made above his head and some special diamonds are being studded which will come from some foreign place. Now ask this man if one day this dome falls on his head then will you be saved? These kinds of funny ideas are working from ages and we keep respecting such things. Sahaja Yoga will bring a revolution and all these falsehood and old institutions will be destroyed and raise them on the basis of truth. If not this then the second thing I told you that humans will have to understand that nothing but the truth will prevail and last. Whatever hollow and false things we are holding on to and we stand for them and are taking them lightly, we should realize that this is like a crocodile. The place of Virata, the Vishuddhi Chakra is very important. I have told you this many times, when humans lifted their neck then he became a complete human being. The height of the neck, God has a great role to play in it. Shri Sakshat, Shri Krishna-Virata took His birth as a simple cowboy on this Universe. Among common men, He came as a cowboy, the complete incarnation of God on this Universe. And He said to human beings that this entire universe is a play, "You are just to witness it, where are you all entangled, this is all a play. And to become a witness, to become the Spirit." This was all his message to the people of this universe. He said that this Spirit is eternal, it cannot be destroyed. The strange characteristics of Shri Krishna, which a lot of people criticize like He had sixteen thousand wives. He had sixteen thousand wives, who were these sixteen thousand wives? Do you know? These were His powers! Today my powers are flowing through these Sahaja Yogis. These Sahaja Yogis are the channels of my powers. To channelize His powers who was there? That is why he gave birth to these powers; in sakar form these took birth. A king had kidnapped them, from that king he rescued all of them and married them. So, he already had sixteen thousand Sahaja Yogis. Here it is difficult to gather even one thousand Sahaja Yogis. He already organized for Himself, by giving birth to these sixteen thousand powers, and when He took all these sixteen thousand powers within Him, then in us also these sixteen thousand nerves got established. Because of Him only, these sixteen thousand nerves in us got enlightened. Today morning what I told them about Gita, you may listen to it again, then you will understand that it was such a great blessing of God that Shri Krishna came on this universe. You cannot understand Shri Krishna at a gross level, you can understand Him only on a subtle level. People who remain on a gross level can never understand Shri Krishna. To understand Him it is very important that you take your realization, then only His minute details and the minute details of this chakra you will know. These days most of the people have their Vishuddhi Chakra caught up. Too much caught up, there are many reasons for this. The first reason is that if yours is caught up then my also gets caught up. If you keep you alright then my throat will also get ok. This is common, people know about this, when my throat gets bad, then vibrations from this only flow out and your throat gets bad. This Vishuddhi Chakra is where Shri Krishna resides and some things are very bad for this chakra, you must understand these, first is tobacco. I don’t know from where humans have taken this idea to consume tobacco, there is no other animal apart from a human who knowingly destroys himself. Now, this tobacco was never made by God for humans to eat, it is an insecticide you know, to kill insects, now like stupid man started eating it, whether he eats it or smokes it, the Vishuddhi Chakra gets caught up. You know that cancer develops at Vishuddhi Chakra, still, you take. It is written that by smoking Vishuddhi will go bad, you may get cancer and whatever you do, you do it on your own risk, still people do it. When you know this is self-destroying, why do you do it? Because all these things are devilish and all these devilish things take control over you. Humans are so stupid in some matters like we say that drinking is a bad habit, smoking is a bad habit, then he thinks that we are putting restrictions on him, we are taking away his freedom. He doesn’t think that he is fooling himself. And all the elders and wise who have said this were they stupid? Why did they say so? Thousand times they told that any type of addiction is wrong, addiction means that on your awareness something gets loaded by force and acts against your alertness. That is why it has been told that any type of addiction is to be avoided. At the time of Mohammed Sahib, this problem was not there, people did not smoke at that time, it was later when Nanak Sahib said why do you smoke? But people just do whatever has been asked to avoid. It is the straight forward fact that this is a poison so don’t take it because of this Vishuddhi Chakra gets caught up. Another reason for catching of Vishuddhi Chakra is by taking the unauthorised name of God. By taking the name of any God, by calling Him, have you gone into the kingdom of God? You are living in the kingdom of human beings, at the most you may call a policeman. At most you may call a minister. You have elected them and you are connected to them. You are calling God and giving trouble to Him. Today my granddaughter had come, I will tell you about her, she is a realized soul. I went to their house once, there was a temple near their house, she was sleeping with me at night. She said, “Nani, God has run away from this temple long back, from morning till evening they keep saying Hare Ram, Hare Ram, Hare Ram, God has run away and even I am going to run away.” You should think yourself is it right to trouble like this Shri Ram who is the caretaker of this whole universe? If you go and call Morarji Desai like this two time surely you will be arrested. That is why whenever you take the name, with what right do you take it? Shri Ram’s name cannot be taken lightly. Only the real gurus have the right to take the name of Shri Ram. Till your Guru has not given you the right, your realization, you have no right to take His name. If you say that Gurus have written that name of God should be taken, they wrote it because probably they did not know that human beings are not realized. Most of the Gurus did not know that human beings are not realized. Before taking Realization, you have no right to take the name. It is unauthorized. Taking the name when you are not authorized also spoils your Vishuddhi chakra. And taking just any mantra from any of these roadside gurus, guru hanging from the tree, standing anywhere! You start following them. You ask them “How are they your Guru?”, they will say, “They have given us a name”. Even a donkey can give a name. Why do you need a guru for that? Is giving name only the work of guru or some other work also he can do? I can understand if it is Guru Nanak who gives you name. Recently a person came from South Africa, he doesn’t know Sanskrit, all the more good, these gurus taught him such names as “Inga”, “Pinga”, “Thinga”. Now say, for hours they keep reciting these names, and their Vishuddhi Chakra goes bad. Who has told them this? From where did you know which name is to be taken? The day you get this knowledge of names, all this false knowledge will be dropped out. This knowledge is not easy, which chakra is catching? what state is it? which name is to be taken? how is it to be taken? It’s deep knowledge of all these things. Till your Kundalini is not awakened, how will you know which chakra of yours is catching? Or of the other person? Suppose your Vishuddhi Chakra is catching and you are taking the name of Shri Shivaji, all goes wrong. Vishuddhi Chakra was already bad because of unauthorized attempt and Shivaji gets annoyed because of the heart chakra. This is a very deep knowledge (great shastra), and you must understand it. I am saying this because I have seen many people taking names as mantra and it is sheer stupidity on their part. I need to make it very clear to you. Once Kabir said, “Karka manka chari ke, manka manka”. Probably no one understood Kabir, and without getting realization you can never understand him. You cannot understand Guru Nanak, he said, “Apaa ko cheena nahin, brahm ki kaya na jane”. We are doing all these things in illusion, that is why Vishuddhi Chakra has gone bad. If you are taking the name of any Deity, then you must know that your Vishuddhi Chakra will be caught up and also that chakra, where that Deity resides, will also go bad. That is why people ask, “How did we fall sick? How did we get the problem?” Because both things are unauthorized. Suppose you are not a doctor, you take a medicine and eat it, then you say, “I have taken the medicine, how is it that I have fallen sick?” Which medicine have you taken? From where have you take your doctor’s degree? What have you understood? In this matter people still understand but in the matter of dharma, they think it is in their pocket. When required they can write a book on dharma, or write a book on Kundalini, when they feel like they will write about God, "What’s wrong in writing any such kind of nonsense? There is no need to know the reality, no need to understand reality. It is ok to carry on with falsehood." Sahaja Yoga is a very big revolution. You have never believed in this, you just want to memorize things what Kabir said. People just memorize the sayings of Kabir from morning till evening. But now the time has come that whatever Kabir said, is right before you. Japanese can never understand the philosophy of Zen, the way people of Japan have presented Zen. If Zen sees their stupidity, he may commit suicide. They have made all of it so artificial that it is surprising to see it. All the great seers and great people have been treated like this, till they were alive they were criticized and after they were no more, people presented their ideas and things in a strange manner. You know there has been a very great seer in Delhi, Nizamuddin Sahib. He was a very great seer; he has no caste or creed. And what did they do to him? Now when he is no more, people present him the way they like, any nonsense they can say about him because he is now no more. All this play of Vishuddhi Chakra must be understood. You must stand on truth at Vishuddhi Chakra.There was person in Sahaja Yoga, who took lot of interest in Sahaja Yoga and got his realization also, but could not leave tobacco. Although it is quite surprising that many times, I have met people from foreign, who have been alcohol addicts and addiction of many other things, real alcoholics, which can’t be compared to you, some people came to me who was almost unconscious. Some of them can understand Hindi here and I know they can understand what I am saying. As these people got their realization, they left it all because when they tasted the nectar then they could not take that. All by themselves they left it. There was no need to give them any lecture. But there was one person who could not leave it. One day he came to me and said, “Mother I don’t understand, whenever I sit for meditation, my face bloats up like the face of Hanumana.” Hanumanji is a very jovial deity, and His ways are so hilarious. I said “Really?” He said, “Yes I feel I am looking like Hanumanji. You please cure me. What is happening to me in Sahaja Yoga?”. I said, “Do you take tobacco?” He said, “How do you know?” I said, “That is why, if you are seeing Hanumanji, I understood, these are all His tricks. You just now hold your ears and ask for forgiveness. Also promise me, everything will be alright.” All this works out on its own when we have got enlightenment, then how can darkness remain in us? Whatever greatness I say about this Vishuddhi Chakra it will be less, because it is for this chakra that you got your neck upright. Now to bow this neck before just anyone is very wrong. You should bow this only before God or His representative. But we bow it before everyone. Tomorrow if someone comes to ask for the vote you will bow. This is very wrong, not only that we have bowed before many wrong gurus, and it becomes very difficult for such people. Then when I tell them that, "Your guru was wrong", these people get annoyed. There is no need to get annoyed, I have nothing to do with them, I talk only of your benevolence. If your Guru is alright, I have all respect for him. If not ok then I will say it. A Mother’s responsibility is to tell Her children the whole thing, why will She hide it? The only difference is that Kabir said it sternly but I tell with love. I am a Mother and a Mother is wiser in such matters. If She has to give castor oil, She will give it in chocolate. That is why it is all working out. Whatever is wrong is wrong. If a human being has to achieve God and if this is the destination, and from this only the revolution will come and this is only meaningful, rest all is of no use, and all that is useless has no meaning, no meaning in the life of a human being, when you will understand the meaning of your life, when you will realize that you are the part and parcel of this universe, the Virata, when you will understand the importance of your life and you will give importance and respect to your being, then Kundalini will itself rise and salute you, in a fraction of a second you will get your realization. If you have not given respect to yourself, if you have not realized your value, you have bowed yourself before wrong. You have to bow only before God and no one else. Now after talking about Vishuddhi Chakra I will talk about Agnya Chakra. Agnya Chakra is the middle of the optic nerve, the crossing of the optic chiasma. It is very subtle, this is what is called the third eye. Those who open the third eye don’t know that it is the bhoots eye. Near this Agnya Chakra as shown, ego and superego are there. Because of catch in this chakra, many people either see some light or some vision or something else. People feel very happy and think they have been blessed. Such people do not have anything special in their life. Their life is hopeless, only they think they have seen God, have some vision, have seen this or seen that. I had told you earlier that on our right side is supra-conscious and collective supra-conscious area, and on our left side is collective subconscious. So, if you do not keep in balance on this chakra then you will either go to this side or to that side. The moment you go on this side [right] you will see any one of the five elements. Now you know about a drug by the name of LSD, it is a strange kind of drug, it will not take you to the subconscious, but will take you to supra-conscious. By drinking this drug, you will see such different kinds of miracles that you will be surprised what kind of world you are in. Now, this movement is such that when these people come to my program, they cannot see Me, they see only sunlight because that is my future and they see that. Some can see the only wind. Some see the only sun. I am not visible. It happens much time when I am travelling by train, suddenly someone will stand up and start watching me in the wilderness. Those who are in subconscious they can see the past, that I was so and so or so and so. This is all wrong. Whatever is the present you should be in that, you should see only that. If you see something else then you are outside, not in the centre. When you are outside then only you see such things, when you are inside then you do not see anything. Now all that you see outside means that someone is taking you out, you are not going. So you should be careful. You should not call it grace, this is not divine, but this is the movement of your attention when you go to the extremes. Many people take out kumkum from their hands, some take out money, some say suddenly Shri Ganesha appeared in their house. There is one person in Mumbai, in his house idols appear studded with diamonds. He asked Me, “What to do with them?” I said, "Submerge in the water." He said, “Why?” I said, “All these idols are of unsatisfied people. They prayed to these and they got no blessings. So, they think these are neglected from families and have been put here. This is like what they say ‘bhanumati ka pitara'.” If such things are put here, you people will say, “Oh wow, God has put these.” God has no other work? Is this His work to give you these useless diamonds and so? He will keep spreading these stones before you? And has He no sense that He will throw before you such useless things which have no relation with the Param? Or there are other types of people who are in the subconscious. They say that the Spirit has come in their body, the Devi has come. They start moving and making sound “ghun ghun ghun” and say the Devi has come. Now people come near the "Devi", put kumkum on her and ask the number of the horse. Now you think, Devi has no work? Now She will tell you the number of the horse? This is how they have insulted the Param Tattwa in this world. And there are many who follow such false people. I have seen a person near Nagpur, known as Gulab Baba. He was working in shipping corporation as a purser. His father was a very decent man. This man never uses to do any work. When he came back from there, he started his wrong work again. During this period his father expired. He went to his mother, sold her jewellery, sold his wife’s jewellery, sold his house, sold everything and went missing. His mother came to Me and asked me if he was alive. I said, "Yes he is alive, that devil is not going to die." She said, "Now what to do? I have lost everything. Where can I go?" So I said, "Let’s see what can be done for you, will try to settle you at someplace." Then she came after one year and said that, "He sent me a lot of money, I have taken back my house and now I am comfortable, but I doubt where he is and he doesn’t know how to earn money." So I told her, "You to find out about him." Then the next year when I came here, she told me, “Mother I have asked him to take back all his money because he is doing something wrong." These days he is known as Gulab Baba near Nagpur. Did I say, really, his real name is Chotu Nimbalkar? You will be surprised to know that all cars from Birlaji are going to him, to this Chotu Nimbalkar. People have become such stupids that there are no limits. And I sent a word to him that I am coming to Nagpur to see Gulab Baba. So, for one month he went missing from there. There is nothing false in all this, and when people announced that Mataji Nirmala Devi is coming for one month he went missing from Nagpur. And all these big, big people send their motor cars, send fruits; silver utensils were being sent. These are all signs of hypnosis. These people do hypnosis and loot your valuables, and ruin your wife and children. This all works out from Agnya Chakra. Many people work on Agnya Chakra like this. There is one more who is the avatar of Rakt Beej, he is sakshat Rakt Beej. They put their finger on your Agnya and say Divine light has come into you. You feel excited that a spark has come. He was caught in smuggling, doing all sorts of wrongs things. Now his photographs are being printed. This is Rakt Beej, all his followers who came to me are suffering from leukaemia. This is his identification. This is how they work on your Agnya Chakra, by touching and rotating it they put such a devil that you get the disease of leukaemia in you. I cannot explain to you his wrongdoings. In spite of all having exposed in newspapers, still, there are thousands and thousands of his followers. I cannot understand the mind of human beings. All these maha devil people about whom everything has been printed, still people don’t leave them, they continue to follow and that is why this Agnya Chakra gets caught up. Because we have bowed before wrong people. Never allow anyone to touch your Agnya Chakra till you have not experienced collective consciousness. This collective consciousness when gets enlightened in you then you can feel others, you can feel their chakras, feel your own chakras and you can cure them. (Sit down Sir, I have to go very far. What is this? Sit down. If you have to go, move out silently, do not disturb all others.) Now, this Agnya Chakra is very important, we put sindoor on this chakra. Why should we put sindoor? Nowadays women don’t put sindoor, I don’t know why. I don’t understand. What happens with sindoor? Because women are weak from heart, by putting sindoor, it is very protective. This red colour protects from these what I say 'spirits'. They know this is the path of the Mother, it is protected. Even in the Bible it is mentioned that all the chosen ones will have this mark on their forehead. They will be recognized by this. It is so important for women to put it. They are protected from satanic forces by this. It is not written in the Bible that you should put it but it is mentioned that this is the identification of those people who are the chosen ones. Now, this chakra is where there is sakshat Christ. Christ is none other, he is the incarnation of Shri Ganesha. How He was made? If you read Devi Bhagwat by Markandeya, you will understand. He was made as Maha Vishnu first and was described as how he is the basis of this Universe and how Shri Krishna who is the father of Christ, that is why He is called 'Christ'. They call Him Christ like it, is the surname, and Yeshodaji’s name is used and He is also called as 'Yeshu'. That is how Radhaji herself kept his name, and Radhaji is His mother. So, what is the fight about? Because Krishna had said that this Pranav, this power never gets destroyed. He took His incarnation and, in this incarnation, at the time of resurrection, He proved that when this sakshat Pranav takes birth as the reality, it never gets destroyed. Many great saints took birth in a body except Him because, in reality, He is Pranav. Ganesh is sakshat Pranav. When Om takes birth, it will not get destroyed. To show this, that is why He came for a small time on this earth and then went away. Now whether Christ is there or not, and Pranav is there or not, this Shri Ganesh is there or not, how do we prove it? Not because I am saying you should believe it. When your Kundalini rises and when you raise the Kundalini of others and if this chakra opens, and if you say the Lord’s prayer which Christ had taught, then only this works as a mantra here, none other. Like I had told you that all the Gurus are settled around our Nabhi Chakra. Without taking their names the Kundalini does not cross the Nabhi Chakra. Similarly, when it gets stuck here, only His name is to be taken. Now whatever I told you about Gandhiji, you will understand slowly even he said the same thing. Also here two great incarnations reside on the forehead, one is Buddha and the other is Mahavira. These are both very special, for guidance to human beings. These both are Luv and Kush. Luv and Kush took birth as Buddha and Mahavira, both have the same mother. Both these Luv and Kush were born when work was being done on Nabhi Chakra along with Chandra Nadi and Surya Nadi. This I am telling you the subtle side of it. You may check this when your Kundalini is awakened. On Chandra Nadi and Surya Nadi, they were born separately. Buddha was born on Surya Nadi and Mahavira was born on Chandra Nadi. That is why Mahavirji described in details about hell and Buddha talked a lot about light. Both these Nadis exist within us and as they go up one goes here and the other goes here. That is why Buddha resides here and Mahavira resides here. They both occupy a very important place. Because only these two men came in the form of human beings and settled this high next to Him. Do you know that they both came again on this earth, because when they saw that the meaning of ahimsa [non-violence] was completely misunderstood by people and it was twisted in a wrong way? You know that Jains save the bed bugs so that they drink the blood of the brahmin so that he becomes a bed bug. What is this? Can this be ahimsa? Now am I going to give Realization to bed bugs? Or to mosquitoes? Or to chickens? It is for human beings. You trouble one person with bed bugs and think you are being dharmic? All these kinds of vague ideas that started spreading in the society and even for Buddha, except Zen. Let’s not talk of Vidhitama, he was turned out of India. Rest all the Buddhists, what have they done? They started worshipping His teeth and everything else too, whereas Buddha said that as you start talking about God, human beings get involved into unnecessary things. His talk about atheism is ok. If you get Realized today and If I do not tell you about God then even you will also talk about atheism. Only after talking about the knowledge of Spirit, should you talk about knowledge of God. He understood this fact and so, he first talked about atheism, and then about God, because if you talk of God first then you worship a rakshasa and believe he is God. You may worship a mammal and call it an 'Ishwar'. That is why he first talked about atheism. Because the level at which human being is, he talked very perfect, very proper. He said if without knowing about Spirit, without the true knowledge, if he worships anyone, he will definitely go in the wrong direction. In his talk on atheism, there was a very big suggestion, a compromise, a very wise thing because he understood what level humans were. He did not talk about God at all. It was very much at a later stage. Because there is a lot of probability that people would have said that he does not believe in God so remove him. there was a lot of possibility of that. But when he saw his disciples doing all stupid things, he again took birth. You will be surprised; do you know where? Can you tell? Hassan and Hussain, who were killed in Karbala, were no other than Mahavira and Buddha. But who will tell all this? Now who can make you understand this? Now this responsibility has come on Me. So, I am telling you. I am telling you this because when your Kundalini is awakened, then if your ego and superego are caught up, then you have to take the name of Buddha and Mahavira. These are two of the rudras in Ekadesha Rudra. These are very great rudras, and when the last judgement will take place then many more will come, you will know about these two then, you will see that it is difficult to get rid of ego and superego. Then if you are a Hindu, you will have to take the name of Hassan and Hussain, and if you are a Muslim then you have to take the name of Buddha and Mahavira. Without these, you cannot get rid of ego and superego, especially ego. Now these two nadis above which the pre-conscious rotates, is controlled by Shri Hanumanji. He is on our right side and he is the one who had swallowed the Sun. On the left side, it is Bhairava Nath who moves about. These are called in the Bible as St. Gabriel and St. Michael. There is no difference in these, their unity, their similarity, you can understand in Sahaja yoga. All that I am telling you I can prove it. After this is Sahasrara, it is made of one thousand nadis, all around the limbic area, now the doctors argue that there are 992 nadis, nerves are there. Now if they have not counted them then what is then what is the fight about? When these get enlightened then they glow like a flame and are very peaceful flames of different colours can be seen, and in the centre of these flames, you can see a thread like a thing which is part of our limbic area. When the Kundalini comes out of this limbic area then you get moksha. This rising of Kundalini is called as surati. When this happens then we get collective consciousness, and this limbic area is the kingdom of God. When this happens, the human beings get bodh, not by just listening to lectures. And this is a very subtle thing which should happen. The deity is Adi Shakti, sakshat Adi Shakti. The power is of Shri Adi Shakti, and the deity is the Kalki which is nishkalanka. This incarnation is yet to be born and whatever is happening now, is the preparation for its coming. When the preparations will be complete, only then it will incarnate. Now I have explained about all chakras in detail and now I wish we can do some meditation and after that if you have got your realization, it will be good, and even if you have not got it, there is no problem. I have come to Delhi for some days, then I will go to Bombay and then go back to London. You please all come there everyday morning and evening. There will be the program, and try to get your realization. I assure you that if you get your Realization then all your physical, mental, spiritual and family problems will be solved. This is Mother’s way of putting the chocolate, but the main thing is to get the Param Tattwa, ‘Sat Chit Anand’ is what you should get. May God give you wisdom and give you that which you have been seeking in all your past lives passing through different yonis and come here. [English transcription] Today at the end of this program at Gandhi Bhavan, I want to first tell you about Gandhiji, and why Gandhi was so important. Perhaps you have never realized what a tremendous instrument Gandhiji was. At the age of seven years, he just picked me up from my family. And I stayed with him, very, very close, extremely close and he uses to call me as ‘Nepali’, that was my name and everybody knew me by that name. After forty years or say forty-five years or so, suddenly I met Kamal Nain Bajaj, at the wedding of his own son, and I went to him and I said, “Do you recognize me?” and he said, “What Nepali, how are you here?” and just tears started flowing down my eyes. That was Gandhiji. He was a tremendously hard taskmaster. And I always use to say “That you can be hard, but how can you be hard with all these people?” He would make us get up at 4’0 clock. It was very easy for me to get up at 4’0, because you see my body has no habits, I can get up anytime and sleep any time, but I use to feel for others that at their age! Maulana Azad get up at 4’0 and they had to clean their utensils, they had to even he asked them as to clean their bathrooms and the W.C and everything with their own hand, he was a tremendously hard taskmaster, but an extremely loving and compassionate person. He, as just now Gregoire has said, definitely he always used to talk to me in a way as if I was his grandmother you see, and he uses to discuss things with me most surprisingly from all others, in a way as if I was a great adviser to everyone. He uses to make me sit and said that guidance can be had better from some children than from older people. Even when I again went to Gandhi Ashram this time Madasa told to me the same thing, “Do you remember he used to say so?” I said “I remember that." But somehow, he had recognized me, and he knew about me. Same I would say about Shastriji, who had recognized me and use to really respect me. That's another man we have not been able to know. I wish there were some people somewhere near their levels. Some people were absolutely standing on edges of swords, they would not tolerate anything that was wrong for themselves. The first thing they had was to keep themselves upright in dharma and Gandhiji used to really appraise himself day to day ask the question, "Is it in dharmatit? Is it in dharmatit? Is it in love?" He was tremendous. And the thing that I have learnt from him I should say is one of the things which I would have never understood otherwise, is his sense of public money. Actually, I have no sense of money at all, I am so horrid, I do not know what is bank and I do not know how to cash cheque. I am still though I mean, I must have cashed lots of cheques. But I don’t know even today. If you want to teach me, I just can’t learn, I am no good for it. But I have seen Gandhiji’s sense of public money, so clean, so clean, and so sharp that anybody who has lived with him, I cannot understand how can they take to this kind of cheap dealing with public money. Once we had a meeting of all the big leaders and they came to Gandhi Ashram where we all were staying. And some boys were there looking after them, giving pamphlets and thing. And suddenly Gandhiji realized that its very late and they should have their lunch in the Ashram itself. So he said that, "Why not have your lunch here?" and they said, "Alright if you think so we will have our lunch." So he got up. He always had the bhandara keys with him. Because Ba was not there, so he came down and he told us that, "Let us weigh food for them and take it out." So there we had to weigh according to the number of people we had to. So he said, "I am a pucka baniya, you must properly weigh everything and take it out." And then it took about 15 minutes to do all that. Then again he took the keys, put it back and went on with his work. I think it was Maulana Azad or someone who was there, who said, “Bapu I never knew that you will, we never knew that you will take so much trouble for our sake. We would have gone back little late and had our lunch there”. He said, “Trouble, what trouble is it?" He said, "No, the way you got up and take the way, so cautious and careful.” You know the words he said. Even to get to say, "I feel so much touched", he said, “Do you know this is the blood of my people, I cannot allow it to be wasted or in any way spilt.” Just imagine, he said, “Yeh dane dane mere bachon kay ghar se aa rahe hain.” I mean I cannot forget his sense of accounts. And even I have seen this in Shastriji was saying. I mean there was nothing like a double standard. On the contrary the closer you went to them you respected them much better, because they were so clean, so clean and they saw to it that they maintain that cleanliness and that’s all. We are really very lucky to have such great people born in this country of ours. Only the trouble is that you have forgotten what great contribution they have done, that Gandhiji was a person who gave ahimsa to save us from this foreign domination. In a such a unique manner he laid down the basis for Sahaja Yoga actually, in every way he laid down. For example, if you see his ideas, economic ideas are absolutely in tune with Sahaja Yoga. Now, after the industrial revolution and industrial revolution as they call it in the west, people have gone so far in creating an aggressive economy that they are astounded the way now things are working out in the west. The aggression that started in the industry of machinery is now directed towards the human beings themselves. In England you’ll be amazed which is the soberest country among all others, in England every week two children are killed by their parents. Is the statistics, can you imagine? Good children, they are not illegitimate children! No family is safe from this aggression. The aggression is now towards oneself, is absolutely self-destroying. The machinery, the giant, that started creating things also made human beings machines and these machines had no feelings within them. And the feelings started drying up and drying them to such an extent that human beings have become feelingless, they have no emotions left. I don’t know if Gandhiji could have sensed to that extent, because you know it is difficult for a saint to see the forces of ego, how far they can move. It’s a very difficult thing. But he did see something of it so he was warning that, "Don’t go for heavy industries, heavy industries are very dangerous" and he throughout preached that, "Try to keep medium pace in industries." With all this advancement in the west, you’ll be surprised the condition is such that you cannot get anything fresh. The food that you get is nothing but God knows what kind of a chemistry they have adopted, that all the time you are eating chemicals, you do not feel you are eating any fruit. If you talk to people, you feel they are stunned and they are shocked. They are afraid of each other, there is no love, there is no trust, there is no give and take. It’s such a ridiculous thing, absurd society that has been created that it is important for us, the so-called developing countries, to know where have they fallen, through what teachings they have come and stand by and see for yourself that when you are trying to use science and you see these industrial achievements of other countries as a tool to our advancement, you should know that they can completely destroy us as they have destroyed those people. Their destruction is not from outside so much of course. It is in a way, the way we have created Hiroshima and all that. But the destruction is from within and that destruction is set in such a big way that it’s impossible now to talk. The only way is to turn the whole thing into a new dimension by which you can control and that is only possible through Sahaja Yoga. Thank God my husband was elected and I went to London as we have now a base. Gandhiji is the man who has created a base for dharma in this country of modern times. If you see his bhajanawali, you’ll be amazed it is all based on the different chakras, one after another. All that bhajanawali starts from one to another. It’s just like how we do it for our Kundalini awakening. It is based one after another from one chakra to another chakra to another chakra, though has not mentioned it anywhere. Apart from that in Sahaja Yoga we have to take account of all the incarnations, of all the prophets, of all the great primordial masters, who came on this earth and adjust accordingly to different movements of Kundalini, because according to Sahaja Yoga all these incarnations are within us and they help us and we have to awaken them. Same thing Gandhiji has done, is to tell us that we have to know Quran, we have to know Bible, we have to know Gita, we have to know all these great scriptures and awake people and integrate. Of course, that part is left to me, is the actualization of what he wanted to do. So, he definitely has prepared the base, economic base then political base also. He never believed in aggression, never, and he said that sharing should be taught. He always believed even capitalism should be conquered through enlightenment. Though he was so busy with this emergency job of saving the whole nation that he could not pay much attention to the subtler side of Sahaja Yoga which I call 'awakening of the Kundalini' or 'self-realization', but he always talked about it, he always said about it. Most surprising he’s the only one as I have seen so far who was not doing self-realization or working out self-realization but was so close to it and could see clearly that self-realization is the only way for the emancipation of human beings. His values and his styles were so correct. As a mother also has a child, I was a Mother throughout, I would always feel that Gandhiji was too strict and I always use to say that, “You are too strict, I just can’t bear it.” Tears used to come into my eyes. I said, "This is a bit too much." He said, "No we are in an emergency, we have to be self-disciplined, we have to be disciplined and we have to tell them." Once I told him, “Bapu, if you, if you want to discipline people why not discipline them from within?”, he said, “How could they?” I said, “It is very easy, you can do it.” He said, “Not just now, not just now. First of all, let us be free. If we are not free, what can we enjoy? We cannot talk about it; people will say, "We are not even free, how can we talk of freedom of Spirit? We should be free from foreign domination.” I would say in emergency supposing we use a boat to cross over then we do not carry the boat over our heads but we do carry the experiences of our crossing and those experiences have been great. And the greatness about Gandhiji was that he created great only by his personal character and by his dynamic, absolutely dynamic leaders. And the era when this has happened, I have seen those people were absolutely genuine you cannot be. How sacrificing they were!I have seen my own father that today I think he was a legendary man. If I tell you how great he was, I mean in every way I cannot find a single fault in his life as a leader. But today it is very different and very sad that those who were supposed to be Gandhiji’s followers! The other day only I talked to somebody that, "Why not start with the basic education because we do not live in the city, why should we have this education which doesn’t go to the villages", so he said, “It’s difficult, very difficult, it’s a very difficult proposition" and all that, I was amazed he was a Gandhian, how could he talk like that. It is not at all difficult to adopt Gandhiji’s ways in India. As Gregoire has told you I have been to China, and Mao has definitely followed Gandhiji, he has copied everything that Gandhiji has done. I was amazed because when I was there I saw even Magan Chula are being practiced by him. All the things that Gandhiji thought of he has done and he has improved China, and today China is ahead of tiger. People are now afraid you see, this tiger has now awakened, it has now got its own power and this is what Gandhiji had dreamt. Imagine that Mao should use it, and while our people! I don’t know, I should blame the bureaucrats, or the Congressmen or the politicians, who never understood that Gandhiji was the most practical man. And now Sahaja yoga I am sure will re-establish his values. Definitely it has to be established. Too much of asking, too much of elaborations, too much of materialism makes you a slave of material. You’ll be amazed we are supposed to be poor people, there are supposed to be, but they are not. In London or in America, American people are such miserly people that I am really shocked, absolutely shockingly misers, "To spend five rupees for us in nothing, for somebody who comes to our house!" But the Americans are such miserly people that even if they have to spend one rupee, they’ll think ten times, same in England I find and same in other places, terribly miserly calculative. I have known some people you go to their house and they count heads and give you sandwiches accordingly, horrible and they are very rich people, they’ll have crystals, they’ll have silver, they’ll have everything and they behave in such a ridiculous manner. All the time they are thinking about money, how to make this money, how to make that money, how to keep it. You cannot imagine this affluence, so called, has made them so poor; absolutely absurd. I always felt really that through this material gains they might become a sort of satisfied people and will take to less materialism, but it’s not so, it’s just the opposite. People have taken to materialism as a religion and it is so maddening, so maddening that you can’t imagine. You are judged absolutely by the materialistic ideas you have, the value. It is such a mad world that if you stay there, then only you will realize how madly they are. So, as a result, these people that are here you can see that they revert, they could not bear it anymore. They said they will get out of it but still the clutches of materialism are so great, they have to live with them, and they find it very difficult. Only through Sahaja Yoga they have been able to establish themselves fully and steady themselves. I would say these are the great pioneers who will change the whole of west, they are the foundations of tomorrow beautiful world. Otherwise, the west is now a wasteland, nothing but a wasteland I can tell you. I hope these people will take to Sahaja Yoga in the right earnest and will spread the message of Sahaja Yoga and will create that atmosphere. As just now Dr Pant said the beautify, transforming atmosphere in all these western countries, run about, work it out and bring the dawn of a new world in which we all live together as human beings and as real brothers and sisters! Sahaja Yoga has done a great service to humanity that it has given you Antar Yoga within yourself, the insight, it has given you Antar Yoga between the Sahaja Yogis. And it is so great that some of these people have been before in India many times, they have never been able to come close to Indians because all the Indians, those whom they met, they are all westernized. Without the tails, they had the same ideas, the same philosophy, the same everything. And they were, they were enamoured by the west and they were just praising the western culture and rest of them. For the first time they said, when they have come now to Indian villages and the way they have embraced all these villagers and the way they danced together and the way they enjoyed, this is the real Antar Yoga, the real love between all of you, the real enjoyment and the real oneness that one feels. It is not just talking or saying of ideal things that we are brothers and sisters and you are saying you are all brothers and sisters and nothing of that exists, you just become it’s the actualization. You cannot just help it helping another person. For example, now if I am sitting here and if I say that I have cured, I am doing no good, I am not doing it for any obligation, I am doing it because you are part and parcel of my being. I have to jolly well cure you if I want to feel you all. I can feel you all within myself. This is the actualization of collective consciousness, and once that happens you just start feeling the oneness. And today, I am going to talk about Collective Consciousness to you through Sahaja Yoga, how we get it, it’s an actualization and not brainwashing or lecture. This is the difference, between the way people have been talking and we talk before it happens. But now the time has come for this to happen.

Discours Talk about Gandhi. Delhi, India. 11 March 1979. [English translation from Hindi] I had talked about Vishuddhi Chakra, now it is from this Vishuddhi Chakra that you get collective consciousness. I had told you that Krishna is a complete incarnation because he is Virata. Virata is that power with which you get complete assimilation. In the heart there is power of Shivaji and in the stomach, there is power of Gurus and in the Swadishthan Chakra there is Brahmadeva’s power, and in the brain, there is Brahmadeva’s power you can say, and when Virata is enlightened, when Virata’s Sahasrara opens, then all the cells and tissues inside it also get their Sahasrara opened. In the Bible, it is said that God has made man as He is Himself, made his own image. And this is true, as Virata is so you all are. The only difference is that He is the doer and you have been made. This is the only difference that He has made and you have been made. Now He desires that you should know Him, He desires, this is His desire, you have been made because it was His desire. And after making you, He now wants that you should know Him. Because this is His desire it will have to be fulfilled. He has already done a complete preparation for this; in us the complete instrument has been made. The complete thing has been made as I told you in the morning today, and now all that you need to do is get connected to Him. As soon as you get connected to Him, as soon as your Kundalini rises and pierces through your Sahasrara, you realize that you are not alone, as if you are many small, small [cells]. (Sit down, all are getting disturbed, don’t walk about because they get disturbed you see, just sit at one place. When attention gets disturbed, the Kundalini slips down). All this has happened because of His desire and you can know Him only when He desires for it. That is why when I say this is sahaj, effortless, when you do effort, you go away from His desire; when you try, you go away from His desire; when you make any desire you go away from His desire. When everything is left on His desire then we call it 'faith', then we call it 'trust'. If human beings can leave everything on God and say, "Do whatever You wish to do, You are everything", if a human being can do this, then there is no reason that he will go astray. Because in reality He holds your hand and makes you walk. But if you think that you can drag yourself and work hard on yourself [your Self] to hold Him, then it is not going to work out. He has to hold you, not you. One way is that by force you hold him, you run towards Him and try to hold Him, you won’t be able to. But if you ask him like a small child that, "Please hold my hand, please hold my hand and walk, it is all in Your hand, hold my hand and take me as you wish", then the human being starts walking on the right path and on the path of dharma. But as soon as the human being starts making efforts he goes astray. Because he does not know. His Spirit cannot guide, he does not know where to go. Like small children, whose eyes are still not open completely, they are totally dependent upon their mother. Their food, drinking, everything she looks after. She looks why the child is crying, she knows everything. Whether the child tells her or not she knows everything, what is her child’s need, she immediately understands. Because the child is very innocent. We lose our innocence when we start working and planning, we will do this, we will do that, we will achieve God, we will go to the Himalayas, and all problems of the world. Because of all this the human being has committed so many mistakes, he has drifted so much away from Virata. Imagine if in our body this nose thinks that, "I will do something and show", but you have been put in place of the nose so keep sitting in your place. But if it insists that, "I will do something", then a trunk will come out in its place. This is called 'an arbitrary act'. When humans become arbitrary, when he starts thinking from his own end that he will do this and show. "I will do that and show", then he is arbitrary, "On my own." And when cancer starts developing, it is because of such cells only which are arbitrary. Malignancy sets in. If one cell says that, "I will only increase, I want to go ahead and I want to go and see", then it starts increasing and it becomes malignant. Its problem goes to another, the other also becomes malignant, the third one gets this problem that too becomes malignant. When you are connected to the whole and you think, "He is sitting and will do whatever is to be done", with this kind of thinking the human being remains in the centre. Now you say that, "If we keep sitting on this, nothing will happen for us", whatever will happen for you, it will not happen for anyone else; whatever benefit will happen to you, it will not happen for anyone else. You will be able to rise much more than others. In every aspect I can say that it will happen. But you think that, "We will do something and show." Ramdas Swami has said, "Alpdharisht paye”, you want to do something, go ahead, do it, then when you stumble and fumble down, get hurt, then you blame God that, "We did so much effort, so much we called God, then why did this mistake happen?" Who had asked you to do so much effort? It is better to sit in one place silently that to bang yourself here and there like a blind. And then put down your hand and come and tell me, “Mother how could this happen?” All these things that humans do are surprising. Individually they do, but more surprising is that such people make a collective of this. Once there was some organisation of such kind and you see that Pope made a very big organisation of this kind, Muslims have made another, Hindus have made another, someone else had made another one, meaning malignancy cells have come up and all these are malignant cells which eat up the society. To join these or to bring them together what is the element? What is the cementing force for this? Hatred, bitterness, jealousy, competition! Because Muslims are like that, Hindus are like that, because Christians are like this Muslims are like this. All is relative, nothing is absolute. So, when such things develop, then in Virata the cells are formed which are malignant, and today’s Kali Yuga map is such that in all the Virata is full of cancer. If there is one type of cancer in India then in England it is another type of cancer. In America, there is a third type of cancer. Anywhere you go you will find people are suffering from cancer. And they have made such false constitutions, they are working on such hollow principles that it is surprising to see how these institutions are standing. I was shocked to see the Pope, two long robes and with such big, big diamonds put here and here, he moves about and thinks he is a special appointee of Christ. Our Adi Shankaracharya Maharaj who is no more now, and here the residing Adi Shankaracharya, I have heard that in London he gets he is getting a golden dome made above his head and some special diamonds are being studded which will come from some foreign place. Now ask this man if one day this dome falls on his head then will you be saved? These kinds of funny ideas are working from ages and we keep respecting such things. Sahaja Yoga will bring a revolution and all these falsehood and old institutions will be destroyed and raise them on the basis of truth. If not this then the second thing I told you that humans will have to understand that nothing but the truth will prevail and last. Whatever hollow and false things we are holding on to and we stand for them and are taking them lightly, we should realize that this is like a crocodile. The place of Virata, the Vishuddhi Chakra is very important. I have told you this many times, when humans lifted their neck then he became a complete human being. The height of the neck, God has a great role to play in it. Shri Sakshat, Shri Krishna-Virata took His birth as a simple cowboy on this Universe. Among common men, He came as a cowboy, the complete incarnation of God on this Universe. And He said to human beings that this entire universe is a play, "You are just to witness it, where are you all entangled, this is all a play. And to become a witness, to become the Spirit." This was all his message to the people of this universe. He said that this Spirit is eternal, it cannot be destroyed. The strange characteristics of Shri Krishna, which a lot of people criticize like He had sixteen thousand wives. He had sixteen thousand wives, who were these sixteen thousand wives? Do you know? These were His powers! Today my powers are flowing through these Sahaja Yogis. These Sahaja Yogis are the channels of my powers. To channelize His powers who was there? That is why he gave birth to these powers; in sakar form these took birth. A king had kidnapped them, from that king he rescued all of them and married them. So, he already had sixteen thousand Sahaja Yogis. Here it is difficult to gather even one thousand Sahaja Yogis. He already organized for Himself, by giving birth to these sixteen thousand powers, and when He took all these sixteen thousand powers within Him, then in us also these sixteen thousand nerves got established. Because of Him only, these sixteen thousand nerves in us got enlightened. Today morning what I told them about Gita, you may listen to it again, then you will understand that it was such a great blessing of God that Shri Krishna came on this universe. You cannot understand Shri Krishna at a gross level, you can understand Him only on a subtle level. People who remain on a gross level can never understand Shri Krishna. To understand Him it is very important that you take your realization, then only His minute details and the minute details of this chakra you will know. These days most of the people have their Vishuddhi Chakra caught up. Too much caught up, there are many reasons for this. The first reason is that if yours is caught up then my also gets caught up. If you keep you alright then my throat will also get ok. This is common, people know about this, when my throat gets bad, then vibrations from this only flow out and your throat gets bad. This Vishuddhi Chakra is where Shri Krishna resides and some things are very bad for this chakra, you must understand these, first is tobacco. I don’t know from where humans have taken this idea to consume tobacco, there is no other animal apart from a human who knowingly destroys himself. Now, this tobacco was never made by God for humans to eat, it is an insecticide you know, to kill insects, now like stupid man started eating it, whether he eats it or smokes it, the Vishuddhi Chakra gets caught up. You know that cancer develops at Vishuddhi Chakra, still, you take. It is written that by smoking Vishuddhi will go bad, you may get cancer and whatever you do, you do it on your own risk, still people do it. When you know this is self-destroying, why do you do it? Because all these things are devilish and all these devilish things take control over you. Humans are so stupid in some matters like we say that drinking is a bad habit, smoking is a bad habit, then he thinks that we are putting restrictions on him, we are taking away his freedom. He doesn’t think that he is fooling himself. And all the elders and wise who have said this were they stupid? Why did they say so? Thousand times they told that any type of addiction is wrong, addiction means that on your awareness something gets loaded by force and acts against your alertness. That is why it has been told that any type of addiction is to be avoided. At the time of Mohammed Sahib, this problem was not there, people did not smoke at that time, it was later when Nanak Sahib said why do you smoke? But people just do whatever has been asked to avoid. It is the straight forward fact that this is a poison so don’t take it because of this Vishuddhi Chakra gets caught up. Another reason for catching of Vishuddhi Chakra is by taking the unauthorised name of God. By taking the name of any God, by calling Him, have you gone into the kingdom of God? You are living in the kingdom of human beings, at the most you may call a policeman. At most you may call a minister. You have elected them and you are connected to them. You are calling God and giving trouble to Him. Today my granddaughter had come, I will tell you about her, she is a realized soul. I went to their house once, there was a temple near their house, she was sleeping with me at night. She said, “Nani, God has run away from this temple long back, from morning till evening they keep saying Hare Ram, Hare Ram, Hare Ram, God has run away and even I am going to run away.” You should think yourself is it right to trouble like this Shri Ram who is the caretaker of this whole universe? If you go and call Morarji Desai like this two time surely you will be arrested. That is why whenever you take the name, with what right do you take it? Shri Ram’s name cannot be taken lightly. Only the real gurus have the right to take the name of Shri Ram. Till your Guru has not given you the right, your realization, you have no right to take His name. If you say that Gurus have written that name of God should be taken, they wrote it because probably they did not know that human beings are not realized. Most of the Gurus did not know that human beings are not realized. Before taking Realization, you have no right to take the name. It is unauthorized. Taking the name when you are not authorized also spoils your Vishuddhi chakra. And taking just any mantra from any of these roadside gurus, guru hanging from the tree, standing anywhere! You start following them. You ask them “How are they your Guru?”, they will say, “They have given us a name”. Even a donkey can give a name. Why do you need a guru for that? Is giving name only the work of guru or some other work also he can do? I can understand if it is Guru Nanak who gives you name. Recently a person came from South Africa, he doesn’t know Sanskrit, all the more good, these gurus taught him such names as “Inga”, “Pinga”, “Thinga”. Now say, for hours they keep reciting these names, and their Vishuddhi Chakra goes bad. Who has told them this? From where did you know which name is to be taken? The day you get this knowledge of names, all this false knowledge will be dropped out. This knowledge is not easy, which chakra is catching? what state is it? which name is to be taken? how is it to be taken? It’s deep knowledge of all these things. Till your Kundalini is not awakened, how will you know which chakra of yours is catching? Or of the other person? Suppose your Vishuddhi Chakra is catching and you are taking the name of Shri Shivaji, all goes wrong. Vishuddhi Chakra was already bad because of unauthorized attempt and Shivaji gets annoyed because of the heart chakra. This is a very deep knowledge (great shastra), and you must understand it. I am saying this because I have seen many people taking names as mantra and it is sheer stupidity on their part. I need to make it very clear to you. Once Kabir said, “Karka manka chari ke, manka manka”. Probably no one understood Kabir, and without getting realization you can never understand him. You cannot understand Guru Nanak, he said, “Apaa ko cheena nahin, brahm ki kaya na jane”. We are doing all these things in illusion, that is why Vishuddhi Chakra has gone bad. If you are taking the name of any Deity, then you must know that your Vishuddhi Chakra will be caught up and also that chakra, where that Deity resides, will also go bad. That is why people ask, “How did we fall sick? How did we get the problem?” Because both things are unauthorized. Suppose you are not a doctor, you take a medicine and eat it, then you say, “I have taken the medicine, how is it that I have fallen sick?” Which medicine have you taken? From where have you take your doctor’s degree? What have you understood? In this matter people still understand but in the matter of dharma, they think it is in their pocket. When required they can write a book on dharma, or write a book on Kundalini, when they feel like they will write about God, "What’s wrong in writing any such kind of nonsense? There is no need to know the reality, no need to understand reality. It is ok to carry on with falsehood." Sahaja Yoga is a very big revolution. You have never believed in this, you just want to memorize things what Kabir said. People just memorize the sayings of Kabir from morning till evening. But now the time has come that whatever Kabir said, is right before you. Japanese can never understand the philosophy of Zen, the way people of Japan have presented Zen. If Zen sees their stupidity, he may commit suicide. They have made all of it so artificial that it is surprising to see it. All the great seers and great people have been treated like this, till they were alive they were criticized and after they were no more, people presented their ideas and things in a strange manner. You know there has been a very great seer in Delhi, Nizamuddin Sahib. He was a very great seer; he has no caste or creed. And what did they do to him? Now when he is no more, people present him the way they like, any nonsense they can say about him because he is now no more. All this play of Vishuddhi Chakra must be understood. You must stand on truth at Vishuddhi Chakra.There was person in Sahaja Yoga, who took lot of interest in Sahaja Yoga and got his realization also, but could not leave tobacco. Although it is quite surprising that many times, I have met people from foreign, who have been alcohol addicts and addiction of many other things, real alcoholics, which can’t be compared to you, some people came to me who was almost unconscious. Some of them can understand Hindi here and I know they can understand what I am saying. As these people got their realization, they left it all because when they tasted the nectar then they could not take that. All by themselves they left it. There was no need to give them any lecture. But there was one person who could not leave it. One day he came to me and said, “Mother I don’t understand, whenever I sit for meditation, my face bloats up like the face of Hanumana.” Hanumanji is a very jovial deity, and His ways are so hilarious. I said “Really?” He said, “Yes I feel I am looking like Hanumanji. You please cure me. What is happening to me in Sahaja Yoga?”. I said, “Do you take tobacco?” He said, “How do you know?” I said, “That is why, if you are seeing Hanumanji, I understood, these are all His tricks. You just now hold your ears and ask for forgiveness. Also promise me, everything will be alright.” All this works out on its own when we have got enlightenment, then how can darkness remain in us? Whatever greatness I say about this Vishuddhi Chakra it will be less, because it is for this chakra that you got your neck upright. Now to bow this neck before just anyone is very wrong. You should bow this only before God or His representative. But we bow it before everyone. Tomorrow if someone comes to ask for the vote you will bow. This is very wrong, not only that we have bowed before many wrong gurus, and it becomes very difficult for such people. Then when I tell them that, "Your guru was wrong", these people get annoyed. There is no need to get annoyed, I have nothing to do with them, I talk only of your benevolence. If your Guru is alright, I have all respect for him. If not ok then I will say it. A Mother’s responsibility is to tell Her children the whole thing, why will She hide it? The only difference is that Kabir said it sternly but I tell with love. I am a Mother and a Mother is wiser in such matters. If She has to give castor oil, She will give it in chocolate. That is why it is all working out. Whatever is wrong is wrong. If a human being has to achieve God and if this is the destination, and from this only the revolution will come and this is only meaningful, rest all is of no use, and all that is useless has no meaning, no meaning in the life of a human being, when you will understand the meaning of your life, when you will realize that you are the part and parcel of this universe, the Virata, when you will understand the importance of your life and you will give importance and respect to your being, then Kundalini will itself rise and salute you, in a fraction of a second you will get your realization. If you have not given respect to yourself, if you have not realized your value, you have bowed yourself before wrong. You have to bow only before God and no one else. Now after talking about Vishuddhi Chakra I will talk about Agnya Chakra. Agnya Chakra is the middle of the optic nerve, the crossing of the optic chiasma. It is very subtle, this is what is called the third eye. Those who open the third eye don’t know that it is the bhoots eye. Near this Agnya Chakra as shown, ego and superego are there. Because of catch in this chakra, many people either see some light or some vision or something else. People feel very happy and think they have been blessed. Such people do not have anything special in their life. Their life is hopeless, only they think they have seen God, have some vision, have seen this or seen that. I had told you earlier that on our right side is supra-conscious and collective supra-conscious area, and on our left side is collective subconscious. So, if you do not keep in balance on this chakra then you will either go to this side or to that side. The moment you go on this side [right] you will see any one of the five elements. Now you know about a drug by the name of LSD, it is a strange kind of drug, it will not take you to the subconscious, but will take you to supra-conscious. By drinking this drug, you will see such different kinds of miracles that you will be surprised what kind of world you are in. Now, this movement is such that when these people come to my program, they cannot see Me, they see only sunlight because that is my future and they see that. Some can see the only wind. Some see the only sun. I am not visible. It happens much time when I am travelling by train, suddenly someone will stand up and start watching me in the wilderness. Those who are in subconscious they can see the past, that I was so and so or so and so. This is all wrong. Whatever is the present you should be in that, you should see only that. If you see something else then you are outside, not in the centre. When you are outside then only you see such things, when you are inside then you do not see anything. Now all that you see outside means that someone is taking you out, you are not going. So you should be careful. You should not call it grace, this is not divine, but this is the movement of your attention when you go to the extremes. Many people take out kumkum from their hands, some take out money, some say suddenly Shri Ganesha appeared in their house. There is one person in Mumbai, in his house idols appear studded with diamonds. He asked Me, “What to do with them?” I said, "Submerge in the water." He said, “Why?” I said, “All these idols are of unsatisfied people. They prayed to these and they got no blessings. So, they think these are neglected from families and have been put here. This is like what they say ‘bhanumati ka pitara'.” If such things are put here, you people will say, “Oh wow, God has put these.” God has no other work? Is this His work to give you these useless diamonds and so? He will keep spreading these stones before you? And has He no sense that He will throw before you such useless things which have no relation with the Param? Or there are other types of people who are in the subconscious. They say that the Spirit has come in their body, the Devi has come. They start moving and making sound “ghun ghun ghun” and say the Devi has come. Now people come near the "Devi", put kumkum on her and ask the number of the horse. Now you think, Devi has no work? Now She will tell you the number of the horse? This is how they have insulted the Param Tattwa in this world. And there are many who follow such false people. I have seen a person near Nagpur, known as Gulab Baba. He was working in shipping corporation as a purser. His father was a very decent man. This man never uses to do any work. When he came back from there, he started his wrong work again. During this period his father expired. He went to his mother, sold her jewellery, sold his wife’s jewellery, sold his house, sold everything and went missing. His mother came to Me and asked me if he was alive. I said, "Yes he is alive, that devil is not going to die." She said, "Now what to do? I have lost everything. Where can I go?" So I said, "Let’s see what can be done for you, will try to settle you at someplace." Then she came after one year and said that, "He sent me a lot of money, I have taken back my house and now I am comfortable, but I doubt where he is and he doesn’t know how to earn money." So I told her, "You to find out about him." Then the next year when I came here, she told me, “Mother I have asked him to take back all his money because he is doing something wrong." These days he is known as Gulab Baba near Nagpur. Did I say, really, his real name is Chotu Nimbalkar? You will be surprised to know that all cars from Birlaji are going to him, to this Chotu Nimbalkar. People have become such stupids that there are no limits. And I sent a word to him that I am coming to Nagpur to see Gulab Baba. So, for one month he went missing from there. There is nothing false in all this, and when people announced that Mataji Nirmala Devi is coming for one month he went missing from Nagpur. And all these big, big people send their motor cars, send fruits; silver utensils were being sent. These are all signs of hypnosis. These people do hypnosis and loot your valuables, and ruin your wife and children. This all works out from Agnya Chakra. Many people work on Agnya Chakra like this. There is one more who is the avatar of Rakt Beej, he is sakshat Rakt Beej. They put their finger on your Agnya and say Divine light has come into you. You feel excited that a spark has come. He was caught in smuggling, doing all sorts of wrongs things. Now his photographs are being printed. This is Rakt Beej, all his followers who came to me are suffering from leukaemia. This is his identification. This is how they work on your Agnya Chakra, by touching and rotating it they put such a devil that you get the disease of leukaemia in you. I cannot explain to you his wrongdoings. In spite of all having exposed in newspapers, still, there are thousands and thousands of his followers. I cannot understand the mind of human beings. All these maha devil people about whom everything has been printed, still people don’t leave them, they continue to follow and that is why this Agnya Chakra gets caught up. Because we have bowed before wrong people. Never allow anyone to touch your Agnya Chakra till you have not experienced collective consciousness. This collective consciousness when gets enlightened in you then you can feel others, you can feel their chakras, feel your own chakras and you can cure them. (Sit down Sir, I have to go very far. What is this? Sit down. If you have to go, move out silently, do not disturb all others.) Now, this Agnya Chakra is very important, we put sindoor on this chakra. Why should we put sindoor? Nowadays women don’t put sindoor, I don’t know why. I don’t understand. What happens with sindoor? Because women are weak from heart, by putting sindoor, it is very protective. This red colour protects from these what I say 'spirits'. They know this is the path of the Mother, it is protected. Even in the Bible it is mentioned that all the chosen ones will have this mark on their forehead. They will be recognized by this. It is so important for women to put it. They are protected from satanic forces by this. It is not written in the Bible that you should put it but it is mentioned that this is the identification of those people who are the chosen ones. Now, this chakra is where there is sakshat Christ. Christ is none other, he is the incarnation of Shri Ganesha. How He was made? If you read Devi Bhagwat by Markandeya, you will understand. He was made as Maha Vishnu first and was described as how he is the basis of this Universe and how Shri Krishna who is the father of Christ, that is why He is called 'Christ'. They call Him Christ like it, is the surname, and Yeshodaji’s name is used and He is also called as 'Yeshu'. That is how Radhaji herself kept his name, and Radhaji is His mother. So, what is the fight about? Because Krishna had said that this Pranav, this power never gets destroyed. He took His incarnation and, in this incarnation, at the time of resurrection, He proved that when this sakshat Pranav takes birth as the reality, it never gets destroyed. Many great saints took birth in a body except Him because, in reality, He is Pranav. Ganesh is sakshat Pranav. When Om takes birth, it will not get destroyed. To show this, that is why He came for a small time on this earth and then went away. Now whether Christ is there or not, and Pranav is there or not, this Shri Ganesh is there or not, how do we prove it? Not because I am saying you should believe it. When your Kundalini rises and when you raise the Kundalini of others and if this chakra opens, and if you say the Lord’s prayer which Christ had taught, then only this works as a mantra here, none other. Like I had told you that all the Gurus are settled around our Nabhi Chakra. Without taking their names the Kundalini does not cross the Nabhi Chakra. Similarly, when it gets stuck here, only His name is to be taken. Now whatever I told you about Gandhiji, you will understand slowly even he said the same thing. Also here two great incarnations reside on the forehead, one is Buddha and the other is Mahavira. These are both very special, for guidance to human beings. These both are Luv and Kush. Luv and Kush took birth as Buddha and Mahavira, both have the same mother. Both these Luv and Kush were born when work was being done on Nabhi Chakra along with Chandra Nadi and Surya Nadi. This I am telling you the subtle side of it. You may check this when your Kundalini is awakened. On Chandra Nadi and Surya Nadi, they were born separately. Buddha was born on Surya Nadi and Mahavira was born on Chandra Nadi. That is why Mahavirji described in details about hell and Buddha talked a lot about light. Both these Nadis exist within us and as they go up one goes here and the other goes here. That is why Buddha resides here and Mahavira resides here. They both occupy a very important place. Because only these two men came in the form of human beings and settled this high next to Him. Do you know that they both came again on this earth, because when they saw that the meaning of ahimsa [non-violence] was completely misunderstood by people and it was twisted in a wrong way? You know that Jains save the bed bugs so that they drink the blood of the brahmin so that he becomes a bed bug. What is this? Can this be ahimsa? Now am I going to give Realization to bed bugs? Or to mosquitoes? Or to chickens? It is for human beings. You trouble one person with bed bugs and think you are being dharmic? All these kinds of vague ideas that started spreading in the society and even for Buddha, except Zen. Let’s not talk of Vidhitama, he was turned out of India. Rest all the Buddhists, what have they done? They started worshipping His teeth and everything else too, whereas Buddha said that as you start talking about God, human beings get involved into unnecessary things. His talk about atheism is ok. If you get Realized today and If I do not tell you about God then even you will also talk about atheism. Only after talking about the knowledge of Spirit, should you talk about knowledge of God. He understood this fact and so, he first talked about atheism, and then about God, because if you talk of God first then you worship a rakshasa and believe he is God. You may worship a mammal and call it an 'Ishwar'. That is why he first talked about atheism. Because the level at which human being is, he talked very perfect, very proper. He said if without knowing about Spirit, without the true knowledge, if he worships anyone, he will definitely go in the wrong direction. In his talk on atheism, there was a very big suggestion, a compromise, a very wise thing because he understood what level humans were. He did not talk about God at all. It was very much at a later stage. Because there is a lot of probability that people would have said that he does not believe in God so remove him. there was a lot of possibility of that. But when he saw his disciples doing all stupid things, he again took birth. You will be surprised; do you know where? Can you tell? Hassan and Hussain, who were killed in Karbala, were no other than Mahavira and Buddha. But who will tell all this? Now who can make you understand this? Now this responsibility has come on Me. So, I am telling you. I am telling you this because when your Kundalini is awakened, then if your ego and superego are caught up, then you have to take the name of Buddha and Mahavira. These are two of the rudras in Ekadesha Rudra. These are very great rudras, and when the last judgement will take place then many more will come, you will know about these two then, you will see that it is difficult to get rid of ego and superego. Then if you are a Hindu, you will have to take the name of Hassan and Hussain, and if you are a Muslim then you have to take the name of Buddha and Mahavira. Without these, you cannot get rid of ego and superego, especially ego. Now these two nadis above which the pre-conscious rotates, is controlled by Shri Hanumanji. He is on our right side and he is the one who had swallowed the Sun. On the left side, it is Bhairava Nath who moves about. These are called in the Bible as St. Gabriel and St. Michael. There is no difference in these, their unity, their similarity, you can understand in Sahaja yoga. All that I am telling you I can prove it. After this is Sahasrara, it is made of one thousand nadis, all around the limbic area, now the doctors argue that there are 992 nadis, nerves are there. Now if they have not counted them then what is then what is the fight about? When these get enlightened then they glow like a flame and are very peaceful flames of different colours can be seen, and in the centre of these flames, you can see a thread like a thing which is part of our limbic area. When the Kundalini comes out of this limbic area then you get moksha. This rising of Kundalini is called as surati. When this happens then we get collective consciousness, and this limbic area is the kingdom of God. When this happens, the human beings get bodh, not by just listening to lectures. And this is a very subtle thing which should happen. The deity is Adi Shakti, sakshat Adi Shakti. The power is of Shri Adi Shakti, and the deity is the Kalki which is nishkalanka. This incarnation is yet to be born and whatever is happening now, is the preparation for its coming. When the preparations will be complete, only then it will incarnate. Now I have explained about all chakras in detail and now I wish we can do some meditation and after that if you have got your realization, it will be good, and even if you have not got it, there is no problem. I have come to Delhi for some days, then I will go to Bombay and then go back to London. You please all come there everyday morning and evening. There will be the program, and try to get your realization. I assure you that if you get your Realization then all your physical, mental, spiritual and family problems will be solved. This is Mother’s way of putting the chocolate, but the main thing is to get the Param Tattwa, ‘Sat Chit Anand’ is what you should get. May God give you wisdom and give you that which you have been seeking in all your past lives passing through different yonis and come here. [English transcription] Today at the end of this program at Gandhi Bhavan, I want to first tell you about Gandhiji, and why Gandhi was so important. Perhaps you have never realized what a tremendous instrument Gandhiji was. At the age of seven years, he just picked me up from my family. And I stayed with him, very, very close, extremely close and he uses to call me as ‘Nepali’, that was my name and everybody knew me by that name. After forty years or say forty-five years or so, suddenly I met Kamal Nain Bajaj, at the wedding of his own son, and I went to him and I said, “Do you recognize me?” and he said, “What Nepali, how are you here?” and just tears started flowing down my eyes. That was Gandhiji. He was a tremendously hard taskmaster. And I always use to say “That you can be hard, but how can you be hard with all these people?” He would make us get up at 4’0 clock. It was very easy for me to get up at 4’0, because you see my body has no habits, I can get up anytime and sleep any time, but I use to feel for others that at their age! Maulana Azad get up at 4’0 and they had to clean their utensils, they had to even he asked them as to clean their bathrooms and the W.C and everything with their own hand, he was a tremendously hard taskmaster, but an extremely loving and compassionate person. He, as just now Gregoire has said, definitely he always used to talk to me in a way as if I was his grandmother you see, and he uses to discuss things with me most surprisingly from all others, in a way as if I was a great adviser to everyone. He uses to make me sit and said that guidance can be had better from some children than from older people. Even when I again went to Gandhi Ashram this time Madasa told to me the same thing, “Do you remember he used to say so?” I said “I remember that." But somehow, he had recognized me, and he knew about me. Same I would say about Shastriji, who had recognized me and use to really respect me. That's another man we have not been able to know. I wish there were some people somewhere near their levels. Some people were absolutely standing on edges of swords, they would not tolerate anything that was wrong for themselves. The first thing they had was to keep themselves upright in dharma and Gandhiji used to really appraise himself day to day ask the question, "Is it in dharmatit? Is it in dharmatit? Is it in love?" He was tremendous. And the thing that I have learnt from him I should say is one of the things which I would have never understood otherwise, is his sense of public money. Actually, I have no sense of money at all, I am so horrid, I do not know what is bank and I do not know how to cash cheque. I am still though I mean, I must have cashed lots of cheques. But I don’t know even today. If you want to teach me, I just can’t learn, I am no good for it. But I have seen Gandhiji’s sense of public money, so clean, so clean, and so sharp that anybody who has lived with him, I cannot understand how can they take to this kind of cheap dealing with public money. Once we had a meeting of all the big leaders and they came to Gandhi Ashram where we all were staying. And some boys were there looking after them, giving pamphlets and thing. And suddenly Gandhiji realized that its very late and they should have their lunch in the Ashram itself. So he said that, "Why not have your lunch here?" and they said, "Alright if you think so we will have our lunch." So he got up. He always had the bhandara keys with him. Because Ba was not there, so he came down and he told us that, "Let us weigh food for them and take it out." So there we had to weigh according to the number of people we had to. So he said, "I am a pucka baniya, you must properly weigh everything and take it out." And then it took about 15 minutes to do all that. Then again he took the keys, put it back and went on with his work. I think it was Maulana Azad or someone who was there, who said, “Bapu I never knew that you will, we never knew that you will take so much trouble for our sake. We would have gone back little late and had our lunch there”. He said, “Trouble, what trouble is it?" He said, "No, the way you got up and take the way, so cautious and careful.” You know the words he said. Even to get to say, "I feel so much touched", he said, “Do you know this is the blood of my people, I cannot allow it to be wasted or in any way spilt.” Just imagine, he said, “Yeh dane dane mere bachon kay ghar se aa rahe hain.” I mean I cannot forget his sense of accounts. And even I have seen this in Shastriji was saying. I mean there was nothing like a double standard. On the contrary the closer you went to them you respected them much better, because they were so clean, so clean and they saw to it that they maintain that cleanliness and that’s all. We are really very lucky to have such great people born in this country of ours. Only the trouble is that you have forgotten what great contribution they have done, that Gandhiji was a person who gave ahimsa to save us from this foreign domination. In a such a unique manner he laid down the basis for Sahaja Yoga actually, in every way he laid down. For example, if you see his ideas, economic ideas are absolutely in tune with Sahaja Yoga. Now, after the industrial revolution and industrial revolution as they call it in the west, people have gone so far in creating an aggressive economy that they are astounded the way now things are working out in the west. The aggression that started in the industry of machinery is now directed towards the human beings themselves. In England you’ll be amazed which is the soberest country among all others, in England every week two children are killed by their parents. Is the statistics, can you imagine? Good children, they are not illegitimate children! No family is safe from this aggression. The aggression is now towards oneself, is absolutely self-destroying. The machinery, the giant, that started creating things also made human beings machines and these machines had no feelings within them. And the feelings started drying up and drying them to such an extent that human beings have become feelingless, they have no emotions left. I don’t know if Gandhiji could have sensed to that extent, because you know it is difficult for a saint to see the forces of ego, how far they can move. It’s a very difficult thing. But he did see something of it so he was warning that, "Don’t go for heavy industries, heavy industries are very dangerous" and he throughout preached that, "Try to keep medium pace in industries." With all this advancement in the west, you’ll be surprised the condition is such that you cannot get anything fresh. The food that you get is nothing but God knows what kind of a chemistry they have adopted, that all the time you are eating chemicals, you do not feel you are eating any fruit. If you talk to people, you feel they are stunned and they are shocked. They are afraid of each other, there is no love, there is no trust, there is no give and take. It’s such a ridiculous thing, absurd society that has been created that it is important for us, the so-called developing countries, to know where have they fallen, through what teachings they have come and stand by and see for yourself that when you are trying to use science and you see these industrial achievements of other countries as a tool to our advancement, you should know that they can completely destroy us as they have destroyed those people. Their destruction is not from outside so much of course. It is in a way, the way we have created Hiroshima and all that. But the destruction is from within and that destruction is set in such a big way that it’s impossible now to talk. The only way is to turn the whole thing into a new dimension by which you can control and that is only possible through Sahaja Yoga. Thank God my husband was elected and I went to London as we have now a base. Gandhiji is the man who has created a base for dharma in this country of modern times. If you see his bhajanawali, you’ll be amazed it is all based on the different chakras, one after another. All that bhajanawali starts from one to another. It’s just like how we do it for our Kundalini awakening. It is based one after another from one chakra to another chakra to another chakra, though has not mentioned it anywhere. Apart from that in Sahaja Yoga we have to take account of all the incarnations, of all the prophets, of all the great primordial masters, who came on this earth and adjust accordingly to different movements of Kundalini, because according to Sahaja Yoga all these incarnations are within us and they help us and we have to awaken them. Same thing Gandhiji has done, is to tell us that we have to know Quran, we have to know Bible, we have to know Gita, we have to know all these great scriptures and awake people and integrate. Of course, that part is left to me, is the actualization of what he wanted to do. So, he definitely has prepared the base, economic base then political base also. He never believed in aggression, never, and he said that sharing should be taught. He always believed even capitalism should be conquered through enlightenment. Though he was so busy with this emergency job of saving the whole nation that he could not pay much attention to the subtler side of Sahaja Yoga which I call 'awakening of the Kundalini' or 'self-realization', but he always talked about it, he always said about it. Most surprising he’s the only one as I have seen so far who was not doing self-realization or working out self-realization but was so close to it and could see clearly that self-realization is the only way for the emancipation of human beings. His values and his styles were so correct. As a mother also has a child, I was a Mother throughout, I would always feel that Gandhiji was too strict and I always use to say that, “You are too strict, I just can’t bear it.” Tears used to come into my eyes. I said, "This is a bit too much." He said, "No we are in an emergency, we have to be self-disciplined, we have to be disciplined and we have to tell them." Once I told him, “Bapu, if you, if you want to discipline people why not discipline them from within?”, he said, “How could they?” I said, “It is very easy, you can do it.” He said, “Not just now, not just now. First of all, let us be free. If we are not free, what can we enjoy? We cannot talk about it; people will say, "We are not even free, how can we talk of freedom of Spirit? We should be free from foreign domination.” I would say in emergency supposing we use a boat to cross over then we do not carry the boat over our heads but we do carry the experiences of our crossing and those experiences have been great. And the greatness about Gandhiji was that he created great only by his personal character and by his dynamic, absolutely dynamic leaders. And the era when this has happened, I have seen those people were absolutely genuine you cannot be. How sacrificing they were!I have seen my own father that today I think he was a legendary man. If I tell you how great he was, I mean in every way I cannot find a single fault in his life as a leader. But today it is very different and very sad that those who were supposed to be Gandhiji’s followers! The other day only I talked to somebody that, "Why not start with the basic education because we do not live in the city, why should we have this education which doesn’t go to the villages", so he said, “It’s difficult, very difficult, it’s a very difficult proposition" and all that, I was amazed he was a Gandhian, how could he talk like that. It is not at all difficult to adopt Gandhiji’s ways in India. As Gregoire has told you I have been to China, and Mao has definitely followed Gandhiji, he has copied everything that Gandhiji has done. I was amazed because when I was there I saw even Magan Chula are being practiced by him. All the things that Gandhiji thought of he has done and he has improved China, and today China is ahead of tiger. People are now afraid you see, this tiger has now awakened, it has now got its own power and this is what Gandhiji had dreamt. Imagine that Mao should use it, and while our people! I don’t know, I should blame the bureaucrats, or the Congressmen or the politicians, who never understood that Gandhiji was the most practical man. And now Sahaja yoga I am sure will re-establish his values. Definitely it has to be established. Too much of asking, too much of elaborations, too much of materialism makes you a slave of material. You’ll be amazed we are supposed to be poor people, there are supposed to be, but they are not. In London or in America, American people are such miserly people that I am really shocked, absolutely shockingly misers, "To spend five rupees for us in nothing, for somebody who comes to our house!" But the Americans are such miserly people that even if they have to spend one rupee, they’ll think ten times, same in England I find and same in other places, terribly miserly calculative. I have known some people you go to their house and they count heads and give you sandwiches accordingly, horrible and they are very rich people, they’ll have crystals, they’ll have silver, they’ll have everything and they behave in such a ridiculous manner. All the time they are thinking about money, how to make this money, how to make that money, how to keep it. You cannot imagine this affluence, so called, has made them so poor; absolutely absurd. I always felt really that through this material gains they might become a sort of satisfied people and will take to less materialism, but it’s not so, it’s just the opposite. People have taken to materialism as a religion and it is so maddening, so maddening that you can’t imagine. You are judged absolutely by the materialistic ideas you have, the value. It is such a mad world that if you stay there, then only you will realize how madly they are. So, as a result, these people that are here you can see that they revert, they could not bear it anymore. They said they will get out of it but still the clutches of materialism are so great, they have to live with them, and they find it very difficult. Only through Sahaja Yoga they have been able to establish themselves fully and steady themselves. I would say these are the great pioneers who will change the whole of west, they are the foundations of tomorrow beautiful world. Otherwise, the west is now a wasteland, nothing but a wasteland I can tell you. I hope these people will take to Sahaja Yoga in the right earnest and will spread the message of Sahaja Yoga and will create that atmosphere. As just now Dr Pant said the beautify, transforming atmosphere in all these western countries, run about, work it out and bring the dawn of a new world in which we all live together as human beings and as real brothers and sisters! Sahaja Yoga has done a great service to humanity that it has given you Antar Yoga within yourself, the insight, it has given you Antar Yoga between the Sahaja Yogis. And it is so great that some of these people have been before in India many times, they have never been able to come close to Indians because all the Indians, those whom they met, they are all westernized. Without the tails, they had the same ideas, the same philosophy, the same everything. And they were, they were enamoured by the west and they were just praising the western culture and rest of them. For the first time they said, when they have come now to Indian villages and the way they have embraced all these villagers and the way they danced together and the way they enjoyed, this is the real Antar Yoga, the real love between all of you, the real enjoyment and the real oneness that one feels. It is not just talking or saying of ideal things that we are brothers and sisters and you are saying you are all brothers and sisters and nothing of that exists, you just become it’s the actualization. You cannot just help it helping another person. For example, now if I am sitting here and if I say that I have cured, I am doing no good, I am not doing it for any obligation, I am doing it because you are part and parcel of my being. I have to jolly well cure you if I want to feel you all. I can feel you all within myself. This is the actualization of collective consciousness, and once that happens you just start feeling the oneness. And today, I am going to talk about Collective Consciousness to you through Sahaja Yoga, how we get it, it’s an actualization and not brainwashing or lecture. This is the difference, between the way people have been talking and we talk before it happens. But now the time has come for this to happen.

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Talk at Delhi University (Hindi). (India) 11 March 1979. [Hindi to English translation] Work starts at 4 o’clock in the morning and it takes time till finish all. Yesterday I told you that [today] I will tell you about Kundalini. Can everybody is able to see this chart? Those who cannot see come and sit on this side. Come here and sit here nicely. Those who cannot see come to this side. (Shri Mataji says in Marathi that, “Wind is very strong, right.”) Yesterday I told you that the constitution with which human beings are made up of, that constitution has done very special work in us and due to this only, we are created. The things which I am going to tell you now are not discussed [described] in current modern sciences. As I told you current modern sciences only knows those things which are comprehensible or can be actually visualized and this vision of human beings is not yet having light of Spirit. Still human beings are not enlightened [matured). Things which now I am going to tell you can be known only after enlightenment [maturity]. Whether these things are really existing or not existing within us, that you yourself can see. First thing is that human beings get situated [settled]. Firstly, his existence is formed. Whole universe also initially gets its condition. If it does not get its condition then cannot happen. So, when this condition is created is due to power of God in us, the power which we call as energy [shakti] of Sadashiva or energy [shakti] of Shiva. Due to this energy our existence is created. Rishi-munis named this shakti [energy] as ‘Mahakali’. This energy comes in us through our right side and settles on our left side. As it has been shown here. (Shri Mataji says in Marathi, “You show, show Ida Nadi, from top to bottom.") The channel carrying this is called by Ida Nadi [Ida Channel]. So, all these things are very minute. These are subtle things. These cannot be seen from outside. But due to this channel only, left sympathetic nervous system is being manifested in us. So, like this as condition is there, the way in which our existence is also there. If there is no existence we reach to death. It means that when this power is not there within us, we get destroyed. Therefore, many people know this as ‘power of destruction’. When sun sets, all over gets darkened. In the same manner, as existence of one power or not existence, both are symbolizing same power. This power has to symbolize both existence and set. Another power which is moving in us due to which we create, due to which we think, which retains body, due to which we keep this body moving, this energy is called by 'energy of Brahmadeva’ and this energy of Brahmadeva is called as ‘Mahasaraswati’. I am talking in English because we get confused in Hindi language in left and right. This energy passes through our left side and settles in our right side. The channel carrying this energy, which is very minute, very, very minute is called as 'Pingala Nadi' [Pingala Channel). The channel which is first [Ida] is also called as “moon channel” and this [second] channel is also called as “sun channel”. Due to this channel within us, right sympathetic nervous system, this is subtle channel but the material channel i.e. right sympathetic nervous system which can be seen with eye, which is active channel, is manifested. This channel is responsible for physical and mental work is performed, due to which we think.First channel which is called by ‘Moon Channel’ or ‘Ida Channel’ activates Subconscious in us. As you are now listening to my discussion; at this moment at present, you listen to my talk and immediately you throw it in subconscious mind. You are listening this in conscious mind and from conscious mind you move this in subconscious mind. And due to this mind; conditionings [sanskar] get developed within you; may be those are good conditionings [susanskar] or bad conditionings [kusanskar] which is called by 'conditionings' in English. Due to this channel our past is created, ‘bhav’ is formed. Means whatever has happened in past which is called as 'bhutkal' [past tense], whatever is over, is stored in us and very minute recording or collection of this [past] is kept in Kundalini. Kundalini Shakti [energy] is also residual Mahakali Shakti. Shakti of Sadashiva is always static as in one seed there are these 2 energies enlightened and at the end absorbed in it only. And that’s why it is called as 'Sadashiva' because this energy is always static and other energies gets awakened from this and gets absorbed in this only.Other than this there is one more energy in between in us: the channel carrying this energy is called as 'Sushumna Channel'. Some say it as 'Sushumna', some say as 'sushumna'. It's having different pronunciations but Sushumna is proper pronunciation which can be sung in Mantras also. So, this Sushumna Channel is carrying our activity of ascent, evolutionary processes. Due to this channel, we became from amoeba to human beings. Through all these 3 channels whatever is achieved, whatever is worked out, whatever a being obtains, whatever is happened that is stored on our central nervous system which enters in us through rear side of brain going to downwards, today whatever is having human beings' consciousness, like now at this moment whatever you have obtained, that is settled completely in your conscious mind. So likewise, I have told you 4 systems. The central system which we call as ‘Shakti’ of Shri Vishnu. By Shri Vishnu’s power firstly Dharma gets retained in us. Through retention of Dharma only our ascent gets developed. Like if you see periodic table in chemistry, you can understand how properly neatly God Almighty has arranged all elements there in it and how He has given different types of energy or special Dharma has been allotted to them. They have 8 valencies and this you can ask any specialist of chemistry or medical science and from these 8 valencies some of them have either fulfilment with 8 or with 4 valencies. In case; if they are complete and due to lack or excess of 1 or 2 or 3 [electrons], transactions take place in between them. This has been created very delicately. This retention also, this retention of Dharma also takes place due to Shri Vishnu Tattwa. As gold is having quality that it never gets spoiled, it never becomes black, untarnishable. This retention of Dharma is due to Shri Vishnu principle. When this Vishnu principle is spoiled then our ascent is stopped. This Vishnu principle mostly we have to use/ follow/practice in Sahaja Yoga and this mostly we have to consider. Before I told you that Kundalini is residual conscious of Mahakali power. It is having collection of whatever we have done till this time, what mistakes we had done or what religious acts we had done, what we had gained, what kind of conditionings we are having good or bad, all our diseases, problems, all not just of this life but of many lives are stored in this and this is your Mother who has stored all your conditionings [sanskar] in her and is moving with you every time. That’s why this is called as Sahaja Yoga as it is settled on your triangular bone in 3 and 1/2 coils. Why it is having 3 and 1/2 coils is topic of great discussion. If I start to talk on this then time will not be sufficient! You can see with your eyes whether this Kundalini is there within us or not. When Kundalini is being raised you can see that how it is vibrating on this triangular bone. When there is clutch in Nabhi chakra then specially these vibrations can be seen so strong that any small child also can see this. This does not require any proof. For this we have prepared film also which we will show on BBC TV. Kundalini resides here only at this place. You can read some of the books have been written down about Kundalini. Irwin Sahab has also written such a big book about Kundalini. Till now he also doesn’t know that where is Kundalini residing exactly. Then why they are writing about this? Who has given them rights to write such a big book? If he is British that does not mean whatever they feel can write. By reading books and without experience by observing, he had written may be Kundalini is in stomach or may be little bit below this or may above sit. All things made by God are never little bit here and little bit there [not flexible]. Truth is unique. All this confusion is there only in human brain that whether it is here or there. Things which have been created by God are just at that place only and not at any other place. You can see this with your eyes. This Kundalini residing at triangular bone is moving with you for many lives. Even after death she is wandering above your head and when you again take birth then enters in you and resides inside. Death and birth are work of very great compilation. If we start to talk on this topic then will take a big lecture. But we don’t have any connection with death at this moment. Now we are just related with present and we will discuss only about it. As left side channel, Ida Nadi is related with our subconscious about past; in the same manner channel from right side which is called as Pingala Nadi is related with our future, and the channel which is in our middle is related with present, now, at this moment. See this there is gap between these due to which human beings cannot stay in present; either he goes ahead or stays behind but cannot stay in present. Cannot stay in present. Now see what happens due to awakening of Kundalini. When you hold your hands like this in front of me, then energy or vibrations flowing through me enters through your hands, through fingers and these fingers, see these fingers – they have not shown this in chart but another chart has shown this – these are also having centres on right and left. On right hand and left hand are also having these centres and all these fingers, its edges at that place are centres [chakras]. And when these chakras or centres are awakened then you can feel on them that your which chakras are caught up. Due to this you can understand chakras from both left sympathetic and right sympathetic and when you know chakras then due to chakras you can cure any diseases due to chakras. Like yesterday one girl came. She was having multiple sclerosis which is incurable, nobody can cure this. Then why it was cured by Sahaja Yoga? Because in this first diagnosis is that which chakra is being caught up. Mooladhara Chakra is caught up. Heart chakra is caught up. If you awaken Shri Ganesha on Mooladhara Chakra and in Heart [Chakra], Shri Shiva is being pleased. Then immediately that person will be cured because his chakras which are subtlest, which are basic, are cured, then that person will be cured. Diagnosis also will be done by human being. That person who gets realized, he himself will diagnose, will give treatment, give medicine and can give self-realization to others. The first chakra is below Kundalini. God almighty has kept this here with proper wisdom. So, this chakra is adorned due to Shri Ganesha. It is called by Mooladhara Chakra and above this is Mooladhara. Triangular bone [sacrum] is called as Mooladhara. Some people call it by Murgund. Many names have been given. But Shri Ganesha resides on Mooladhara Chakra and it's very necessary to understand this Mooladhara Chakra. Our sex is controlled by this chakra and Shri Ganesha has been kept above this. Shri Ganesha is an innocent child. That’s why he has been positioned there because he is so much pure that no dirt can touch him. That’s why is being seated there. Because small child is having so much innocence that all such things are all above him, that’s why Shri Ganesha is seating there. By residing there Shri Ganesha [protects] Kundalini which is Gauri Swaroopa [form of Gauri], means she is married but still did not meet to husband, still virgin. In virginity only she has created Ganesha and kept him here. See such a beautiful organization is this and she is residing there waiting for husband, waiting for meeting with Shiva. For the protection of her chastity, for her protocol, Shri Ganesha is residing there. Now on this I will tell you what Mantrika’s [Tantric's] have done mistake. Because I am Mother, I will not say that they do this deliberately. But this can be greatest sin, this can happen by mistake only. Initially when they started doing “manan” because was not having so much pure mind due to which it might have happened, that’s why maybe they feel Shri Ganesha’s trunk as Kundalini and due to this they considered Kundalini at that place where we sustain chakra. Where there is Shri Ganesha, there is no Kundalini and that’s why they developed such theory that by doing sex Kundalini comes up. May be initially this mistake has happened. Might have happened but being Mother I cannot blame them. They are also my children. But human beings have never done any mistake more than this. See Kundalini is your Mother and this is so strong to blame on her. But by this mistake all Tantric society was created. In sixth century, there were riots in our country and all kings, emperors who were filled with dirty life style were giving more support to such activities. They ruined it to such low level that our all architecture, scripture as much as even in our all sciences they featured it. They started saying that Shiva and Shakti were homosexual and they also started saying that “Ashwamedha Yadnya” is also unisexual. The person whose eye becomes blind in shravan [one season with all greenery around], he sees everything as green. Such a highest virgin great principle they brought very low level and ruined it. Tantric are actually, we know its technique [tantra] and we know how to operate this technique. This is your technique by which Kundalini comes up. But these bad people named themselves by "tantric". It is like as if one thief has come and is calling himself as a king and due to this confusion human beings cannot understand that while discussing about Kundalini, why Mataji is saying about purity. Actually, this Kundalini which is purest thing and people get astonished when we relate it to purity. Such a darkness is here. Then when such people who do not value character in their life, who are not pure, those who are spending their life by wrong ways, those who have completely prepared themselves for their destruction, so if such people when try to raise Kundalini then it’s must that heat will be created inside them. They will start jumping and will do many funny things. Those who have faced such experiences is natural because Shri Ganesha is survivor of mistakes, he cuts all sympathetic nervous system. We have such people when their Kundalini was raised then bristles came out from here to here, all over their body. This is not due to raising of Kundalini but its reaction of sympathetic due to… See here its flowing through two sides. You can see that you cannot raise Kundalini through Ganeshaji. He is residing at rear side. But I feel that when people come from foreign countries to our country they come from bathroom or from drainage and they write explanation of that [drainage] as explanation of our country. They are donkeys only. If they want to come then they can come from main gate and then understand what is culture [civilization] of our country! Such a learned man like Jung, I admire him a lot. He was also donkey because he came from same way and he spread all Tantric and its importance. No Indian is remaining with us to tell them the real truth. Because Indians do not study and also do not try to understand these things, that what is the science of Kundalini actually. When your Kundalini is awakened, you will be surprised to know that you just become like innocent child because Shri Ganesha is awakened initially. At the beginning Shri Ganesha receives vibrations which are flowing through hands. Your hands are towards me. Vibrations enter through your hands and inform Shri Ganesha that now Mother has come and you become like small child. Because He breaks the way in between. Then after that Kundalini rises. Kundalini never rises till Shri Ganesha do not sanction. If you are very impure person then Kundalini cannot rise or if anybody has damaged your Mooladhara then also cannot rise. Nowadays mostly [false] gurus do this dirty work. These people break your Kundalini. People become unhappy with me if I say something against their gurus, “Mataji, don’t say this.” Then what? Shall I adorn them with garlands? Or shall I do Aarti to them who break your Kundalini, who destroy your chance to have second birth and dispel you from your own right to get this? These people are just interested in money. They eat your money. I don’t have problem. They crook you; I don’t mind. Whatever they want to do, they may become thief, they make your women dirty. If your women are so stupid, let them become dirty. I don’t mind. But when they trouble Kundalini and make your Kundalini dirty then they should be called by “rakshasa” [demons] and they are demons only. I know such 16 demons who were killed by Goddess many times and they have born again and again and again. They are born in this Kali Yuga [era of Kali] and 6 rakshasin [female demons] also have taken birth and people worship them. Such senseless people are. They don’t have any limits. This Kundalini is your Mother. She is waiting that a day will come and her child will get his second birth. She only gives you second birth. Due to her you are known as twice born. If you are superficial person, if you don’t have any depth in you, if you don’t feel that Kundalini to raise on her own, even if you have done some mistakes, still she is telling that he has done this mistake. From your chakras it can be known that you have done this mistake, you have done that mistake and, in this way, we can know completely about Kundalini. But if you have carefully kept your Kundalini properly like as Kabira has said, “Das kabir jatan se odhi, jaisi ki taisi rakhdini chadariya”, at that time Kundalini of such people get easily awakened. Now after this next chakra above this is called as Swadishthana. This chakra comes from our Nabhi and is moving around thios [Nabhi]. Due to Swadishthana Chakra our attention is activated. Wherever we put our attention there Swadishthana Chakra starts working. That’s why when we think too much at that time Swadishthana Chakra converts, transforms fat from stomach so that it can be used in our brain. Brain is also having fat globules in it. These fat globules which we use are transformed in stomach by Swadishthana Chakra and transfers them to brain. This is the chakra which keeps control on our liver, pancreas, kidney and some part of uterus. This is the centre of creation. Whatever we think about future, we feel like to create, whatever we do planning for future then this Chakra starts working and it enlightens our attention. It enlightens our attention. The person who has bad liver, his attention is always sad. He will not like anything. It’s not his fault because his liver is not good. That’s why it is called as 'liver' as it is related with your life. In the same manner person who thinks too much and do too much planning his liver also becomes worse because either it is doing work of thinking and supplies continuously to brain which or will look after all these organs. From these organs when pancreas becomes bad then you get diabetes developed. Diabetes can be cured 100 percent. In this manner due to excessive thinking right side of a person is doing excessive work and left side becomes orphan aged or becomes sad, gets neglected. Due to this when person thinks too much, does too much work, does too much physical efforts then he gets heart attack. When he gets heart attack then he should understand that, “Now I have done too much.” He becomes imbalanced. He should understand immediately that now he should pay attention towards emotions and try to bring balance. In Sahaja Yoga after self-realization there is very simple process to bring balance, raise left side and put it on right side. Just now many people came here who were not able to get realized, their only left side was raised and put it on right side only 3 times, then immediately their Kundalini came out. As you can see here that when you think too much or when you are very busy in work then your ego gets developed, as shown above. Which actually goes through your head up to here revolving like a balloon and when you develop conditionings in yourself means when you try to press this ego then superego is awakened in you which is called as superego. In this manner two different types of balloons are developed in you. When one balloon is more developed than another balloon then it tries to control another balloon and it exerts pressure on another balloon. Nowadays ego is more developing in Indians because we are developing so we do much planning. We are very active that’s why due to thinking our ego is increasing. Nowadays in Western people superego is increasing because initially there, ego was so much grown up that it completely controlled superego. So, they were disturbed and through ego they started thinking there should be some control over this and they started taking drugs, etc. Due to intake of drugs superego was increased. As superego gave push to ego then ego came here and superego was expanded. Now wobbling is going on in between these two. They are pushing each other from here to there and nothing is at proper place. All the time wobbling is going on in between two in their mind. They are having very different worries. As you know that those who are very wealthiest countries as like Sweden are having more number of suicides because in their mind this quarrel of ego and superego is going on. Living is not in their tract [they are not having capacity to stay alive]. In one minute, you can see in America hundreds of people: somebody’s nose is moving, somebody’s head is moving, somebody’s eyes are flickering, somebody’s mouth is twisting. They cannot sit in peace for one minute. If you see young people, can see big wrinkles over here due to worries. The reason for this is quarrel between ego and superego which is continuously going on within them and so much fallacy and confusion is going on in their mind that they don’t understand, "What is it?" and by taking benefit of this, demonic powers or negativities enter in their brain. And that’s why they follow such things so that they can run away from this and can run away from all problems in this world. This Swadishthana Chakra is very important. Because those people who do excessive work either goes to extreme, we call this as supraconcious area which is on right hand side. So, when it's transgressed then we enter into collective supraconcious. In this manner when they are transgressed on left side then he enters from [personal] subconscious into collective subconscious. Upper part of human beings is of collective consciousness. The person who thinks too much about dead persons, about death specially in Buddha Dharma [religion] this has entered. It’s surprising I don’t understand that why Buddhists have given so much importance to death. Actually, according to me Buddha never conformed it and Buddha said that don’t worship any dead things. Buddhist people are just opposite to this. If you go to Ladakh there many Buddhists do necromancy, tantrism. With Mahavira followers is also same thing. But these people go to more extremes than Mahavira followers. But at least Mahavira’s followers, due to his going backward whatever may be like but they will prepare temple, will prepare caves, will do drawings, if not anything else, then will work for cloth shop, sell clothes these kinds of work, and Buddha followers – but Buddha who never talked about death, surely Mahavira has said about death and hail, but Buddha never talked about death – all are just going on discussing about death. In Ladakh there is science formed about which person is to be seated, by which way; how person is to be kept in funeral; how he his hand is to kept; how to have management for him. In which Buddha’s book this has been written, I don’t know. But he can never write this thing. All this necromancy, tantrism, all force them towards left side and with this you have the equations about whom you must have heard dakini, shakini, hakini, etc., etc., in this way have seven resonances. With its resonance a person is just pushed forward in collective subconscious and in collective subconscious all those persons who are dead are there who are afraid of their life, who run away from life, sly being. Those who are very wicked in nature are also there, very nefarious people can also be there. But they don’t have courage to do this work openly. They do this dirty work very secretly. Those people who are not satisfied in this way are also wandering there only. Our place is beyond this. When we are dead then we stay in collective conscious and we are waiting for the day when we will get rebirth. We don’t believe that you wander here and there with unsatisfied emotions. These wandering beings are very bad in [their] left side and when they enter in our body through our Agnya Chakra then a person can get infected with diseases or becomes mad or many other different diseases. These all diseases are of Ida channel and those diseases which psychologist treats, are due to our left subconscious. So, our Freud Sir was only Intelligent according to me, he was just having one eye and don’t have another eye. He just saw one side but he did not saw another side. He used to say that, "It’s all conditionings and nothing else and it has already started with sex." He brought all things to the sex. If he would have read at least little bit of Indian psychology then he would have become little intelligent. But his vision was so much one sided, he just used to see only one side and he himself was very disgusting. He was having bad relationship with his own mother. He brought all creatures and deceived them in dirt. And this must happen because if psychologist all time stays with mad people, then he himself will become mad. All that dirt comes in him which he sees in mad people. This maybe psychologist doesn’t know. And the one who has come with me here, he is very, very good psychologist there, he himself told this. Because if somebody has got TB [tuberculosis] then we understand that he has got TB, need to protect ourselves. But we don’t understand any way to protect ourselves from these [dead] spirits, possessions. We meet them, we talk with them then it might happen that we also take something from them and due to this reason, they cannot cure many people’s diseases because they cannot see them. This is very subtle thing. It resides inside us and it is there, surely there, and this is settled in us. Now if you go to right side then in right side you reach in supraconcious area. Then from there if you go beyond then you reach in collective supraconcious area. At this place those people who are very ambitious people stay there. They are very ambitious people those who always talk about future. But as Hitler is dead, he must be there. Because he is still not satisfied. Many ambitious people are in this place. When you go to supraconcious then one of these gentlemen enters in you. When these [dead] spirits enter in you then you become mad, extremity of anything. In this an ambitious spirit is filled in you. Spirit named “Ram” is filled in you then you start working. They start working on you. In ten years, your condition will become as like broken car starts doing sounds. Now I went there they used to do trans [transcendental meditation]. There who ever have followed it, listen carefully because when you go in trans then you go in supraconcious and after entering in this supraconcious then these spirits ride on you. Spirit named ‘Ram’ will ride on you. Whatever is your own is all lost. You take somebody else’s load on yourself. Try to understand: if Hitler comes and sits above you then how will be your condition? It might happen that you become very successful person. Very successful person. All world can see this. But after ten years your condition will become such that you… That’s why somebody has very bad spirit then can be seen within one year. Will tell you one example from here only. Last year when I came here, he started saying that, "Mother, my condition is such that if from any place some fragrance comes my breathing starts becoming faster. My condition is that I cannot go through any temple or masjid. If anybody says name of God then my breathing becomes faster. What is this?" I removed his possession and now he is better. So, this also can happen and that’s why you need to understand that both things [subconscious and supraconscious areas] are wrong. We have to do in centre, middle way. This has also been told by Buddha. Same thing has been told by all, that we have to be in centre. In chakra from Nabhi, Kundalini about which I told you yesterday that Nabhi Chakra of our country is spoiled. One thing is that we [want] God, first thing is that. Why you want God? Why God should give you peace? Why should give you health? Why should give you joy? You don’t have even seeking of Him. You don’t even desire to know Him. You are wandering here and there, all kinds of teasing going on. I am asking on behalf of God to you that, "Which God have you seen ever?" He has created all this nature for you and you are just overpowering it. You are quarrelling in between. Even two brothers cannot stay in peace then why should God look after you? Whatever problems have occurred in this world are all human problems. This is because human being itself has adopted demonic power in him and forgetting all about God, he is walking on wrong path. Then why should God Almighty look after you? What is that for him? Today he has created you, tomorrow he will destroy and will again create another world. He has no concern with you. It’s me only that I am Mother and feel that, "No, children should be saved", and this will happen. What do you think, that you will be sitting relaxed? That thing is going to happen. It's all right that now time has been given, now you get realized then it’s all right. Else Kalki incarnation is going to come and when it will come, he will not see anybody, he will not give realization to anybody, will not give lectures to anybody. As now I have requested you. He will not request you that, "Baba, come, come, come." With one sword he will just cut your neck and will finish. And will do so much destruction that you will not understand that where you are. That’s why must understand that now last time has been given to us and last chance also and we should achieve it. Don’t spoil your life by walking on wrong path by hankering after wrong things because your life is very precious. Through so much difficulties you have been created. See all chakras has been created by God Almighty within you. Firstly, beautiful centre like Mooladhara on which Shri Ganesha is residing, then Kundalini, through which you will be reborn. Second one is Swadishthana due to which you can control whole nature. See when I was coming here these people told me that in Delhi it’s raining a lot. I said, "Don’t worry since I have arrived." The day when we arrived rain has stopped. Suddenly rain stopped. It’s not difficult work. I will say that even sun and all that to make it proper is not difficult job. But human beings are very difficult. Most difficult thing is human being. Sun, moon, stars all are under gesticulation of God. It’s no difficult task. But human beings who are free, in front of them even God is also bowing low. How, by which way he should persuade you that, "See how beautiful thing He has created within you? Through this beautiful thing achieve God, get joy through this." But human is not relieved for even 2 minutes that he will sit and settle in God, achieve it, clear in it and give it to others. But they don’t have time though actually they always have watch. For which purpose God has given you time? For what God has opened all secrets of nature which you call as science? From where did you get all these powers? For what purpose you will save time? Everybody will save time. We want to save time. We want to save time. For what you will save time? They will say that, "We want to go to pub." What we will do by saving time? And will say we want to go to ball room for dancing. You need to save time so that you can do meditation, settle in meditation and achieve your Self. That’s why God has given you all these powers. And above this you can see is Nabhi chakra about which I told you yesterday that how much important is this Nabhi chakra. That’s why will not tell you more but human being gets evolved through Nabhi only. When he achieves God, then only he becomes right, then only his vision becomes good. If his attention is always on money, status, politics, on all lower-level things then Kundalini cannot cross this chakra and this chakra is very important chakra within us. And this needs to be well preserved and understood, "How our Nabhi chakra can be kept properly? What can be done for this?" These things you can discuss with these people. They will tell you about this. [Nabhi] Chakra which is above this is very necessary centre. It has been created specially in us as by Nabhi centre developed role of ascent, role of evolution in us. Then as you know Dashavtaran [10 incarnations of Shri Vishnu] took place. Means one by one incarnations took place. As firstly fish incarnation took place. Means initially fish came out. After fish, when fish touched to earth then became reptile. Then incarnation of tortoise took place. All these things are in science and also in ours. In this way one by one creature were developed. Incarnation means life comes and shows to you. But this live achieves to partly form [anshswarup] of God and tell to you, guide to you and his place is within you. So from this, whatever incarnations took place mostly took place in Void and helped you from there and at that time many people tried to achieve God but whenever they tried, demonic or satanic people attacked them. At that time as you know Goddess ‘Shakti of God’ itself incarnated. Like this has been told about 1000 incarnations but she took many incarnations. And She protected all those people who were doing yagnya, etc. with the purpose of crossing Void and protected them. Yagnyas were performed with the intention to enlighten all 5 elements in nature. That’s why yagnyas were performed. Now there is no need to enlighten these elements. All of them are already enlightened in you therefore you get electricity and you can use this energy. Due to enlightenment of all these elements, you can do agriculture and have all these new advancements because all these elements were enlightened. That’s why now there is need to go beyond all your Dharma’s. To achieve last stage of our evolution means to get introduced with your own Spirit. This is your job. All other jobs are finished. Only this last job. Now as I told you Goddess [incarnated] for your protection and she has 1000 names and about them it’s very difficult to express in words. You know all things that how are divine powers, how it is dynamic and how it is subtle. It’s not easy to express about this. Means it’s so active, so loving, so subtle that if one of finger of that is moved and then all world will be moved. It is having so much power. This Goddess has incarnated many times and destroyed demons so that you can follow your Dharma. Now in this right side [of left side] which is [Central] Heart Chakra, is having place of Jagdamba who is your Mother. When you forget that Jagdamba is your Mother then sense of insecurity gets developed in you and when this happens then you get disease of breathing. Disease of breathing which is called as asthma. So, asthma and in case of women they get breast cancer. This is also caused due to sense of insecurity. This sense of insecurity is developed because this abode of Shri Jagdamba remains destitute and it is cured with awakening of this abode of Jagdamba. All such diseases like lungs cancer, etc. are cured due to awakening of this centre. But till human being don’t know that we have abode of Shri Jagdamba in us to know all means to enlighten. I don’t mean that to know means knowledge. There is a lot of difference in between knowledge and enlightenment. When one gets enlightened that Jagdamba resides in us, then only he gets his ascent.The chakra which has been shown on its right side is chakra of Shri Rama. Here [we] have incarnation of Shri Rama. This is abode of father. On left side this there is abode of Jagdamba. In the central [we] have abode of Jagdamba and on left side have abode Shri Parvati who is our Mother. This is abode of mother. If you are having catch in your Left Heart Chakra then if you are asked about your mother then will get to know that either your mother is sick or she has been dead. If you have catch on left means you have heart disease. After this the next chakra/centre which is above is very important chakra, is called as Vishuddhi Chakra and through this 16000 nadis or channels are spread throughout the body. This is the abode of Virata. Which is called by primordial master which is all this is primordial being and in which you all are these small, small cells which is called as microscopic in English. So, in this Great God Almighty you are these small, small cells. When these cells are awakened then this Great Body is also awakened. God Almighty is awakened who has created you as human being and now you know Him and achieve Him. This is your enlightenment. He creates you and that’s why this centre is important through Sahaja Yoga point of view. Because in Vishuddhi Chakra is having abode of Shri Krishna. We cannot understand Shri Krishna now. Shri Krishna was very Great Diplomat. If you want to learn from him learn politics and that’s why you cannot understand all Geeta. Because he was such a Great Diplomat that he thought that these are foolish and these foolish people cannot understand straight way if you tell them [cannot take out ghee with straight finger so it's better to bend it]. That’s why he told you all things in puzzled ways. This I will tell you after some days as there are many things to be told now. As it has been told in Geeta that achieve this, seek for this, you get to know yourself.

Talk at Delhi University (Hindi). (India) 11 March 1979. [Hindi to English translation] Work starts at 4 o’clock in the morning and it takes time till finish all. Yesterday I told you that [today] I will tell you about Kundalini. Can everybody is able to see this chart? Those who cannot see come and sit on this side. Come here and sit here nicely. Those who cannot see come to this side. (Shri Mataji says in Marathi that, “Wind is very strong, right.”) Yesterday I told you that the constitution with which human beings are made up of, that constitution has done very special work in us and due to this only, we are created. The things which I am going to tell you now are not discussed [described] in current modern sciences. As I told you current modern sciences only knows those things which are comprehensible or can be actually visualized and this vision of human beings is not yet having light of Spirit. Still human beings are not enlightened [matured). Things which now I am going to tell you can be known only after enlightenment [maturity]. Whether these things are really existing or not existing within us, that you yourself can see. First thing is that human beings get situated [settled]. Firstly, his existence is formed. Whole universe also initially gets its condition. If it does not get its condition then cannot happen. So, when this condition is created is due to power of God in us, the power which we call as energy [shakti] of Sadashiva or energy [shakti] of Shiva. Due to this energy our existence is created. Rishi-munis named this shakti [energy] as ‘Mahakali’. This energy comes in us through our right side and settles on our left side. As it has been shown here. (Shri Mataji says in Marathi, “You show, show Ida Nadi, from top to bottom.") The channel carrying this is called by Ida Nadi [Ida Channel]. So, all these things are very minute. These are subtle things. These cannot be seen from outside. But due to this channel only, left sympathetic nervous system is being manifested in us. So, like this as condition is there, the way in which our existence is also there. If there is no existence we reach to death. It means that when this power is not there within us, we get destroyed. Therefore, many people know this as ‘power of destruction’. When sun sets, all over gets darkened. In the same manner, as existence of one power or not existence, both are symbolizing same power. This power has to symbolize both existence and set. Another power which is moving in us due to which we create, due to which we think, which retains body, due to which we keep this body moving, this energy is called by 'energy of Brahmadeva’ and this energy of Brahmadeva is called as ‘Mahasaraswati’. I am talking in English because we get confused in Hindi language in left and right. This energy passes through our left side and settles in our right side. The channel carrying this energy, which is very minute, very, very minute is called as 'Pingala Nadi' [Pingala Channel). The channel which is first [Ida] is also called as “moon channel” and this [second] channel is also called as “sun channel”. Due to this channel within us, right sympathetic nervous system, this is subtle channel but the material channel i.e. right sympathetic nervous system which can be seen with eye, which is active channel, is manifested. This channel is responsible for physical and mental work is performed, due to which we think.First channel which is called by ‘Moon Channel’ or ‘Ida Channel’ activates Subconscious in us. As you are now listening to my discussion; at this moment at present, you listen to my talk and immediately you throw it in subconscious mind. You are listening this in conscious mind and from conscious mind you move this in subconscious mind. And due to this mind; conditionings [sanskar] get developed within you; may be those are good conditionings [susanskar] or bad conditionings [kusanskar] which is called by 'conditionings' in English. Due to this channel our past is created, ‘bhav’ is formed. Means whatever has happened in past which is called as 'bhutkal' [past tense], whatever is over, is stored in us and very minute recording or collection of this [past] is kept in Kundalini. Kundalini Shakti [energy] is also residual Mahakali Shakti. Shakti of Sadashiva is always static as in one seed there are these 2 energies enlightened and at the end absorbed in it only. And that’s why it is called as 'Sadashiva' because this energy is always static and other energies gets awakened from this and gets absorbed in this only.Other than this there is one more energy in between in us: the channel carrying this energy is called as 'Sushumna Channel'. Some say it as 'Sushumna', some say as 'sushumna'. It's having different pronunciations but Sushumna is proper pronunciation which can be sung in Mantras also. So, this Sushumna Channel is carrying our activity of ascent, evolutionary processes. Due to this channel, we became from amoeba to human beings. Through all these 3 channels whatever is achieved, whatever is worked out, whatever a being obtains, whatever is happened that is stored on our central nervous system which enters in us through rear side of brain going to downwards, today whatever is having human beings' consciousness, like now at this moment whatever you have obtained, that is settled completely in your conscious mind. So likewise, I have told you 4 systems. The central system which we call as ‘Shakti’ of Shri Vishnu. By Shri Vishnu’s power firstly Dharma gets retained in us. Through retention of Dharma only our ascent gets developed. Like if you see periodic table in chemistry, you can understand how properly neatly God Almighty has arranged all elements there in it and how He has given different types of energy or special Dharma has been allotted to them. They have 8 valencies and this you can ask any specialist of chemistry or medical science and from these 8 valencies some of them have either fulfilment with 8 or with 4 valencies. In case; if they are complete and due to lack or excess of 1 or 2 or 3 [electrons], transactions take place in between them. This has been created very delicately. This retention also, this retention of Dharma also takes place due to Shri Vishnu Tattwa. As gold is having quality that it never gets spoiled, it never becomes black, untarnishable. This retention of Dharma is due to Shri Vishnu principle. When this Vishnu principle is spoiled then our ascent is stopped. This Vishnu principle mostly we have to use/ follow/practice in Sahaja Yoga and this mostly we have to consider. Before I told you that Kundalini is residual conscious of Mahakali power. It is having collection of whatever we have done till this time, what mistakes we had done or what religious acts we had done, what we had gained, what kind of conditionings we are having good or bad, all our diseases, problems, all not just of this life but of many lives are stored in this and this is your Mother who has stored all your conditionings [sanskar] in her and is moving with you every time. That’s why this is called as Sahaja Yoga as it is settled on your triangular bone in 3 and 1/2 coils. Why it is having 3 and 1/2 coils is topic of great discussion. If I start to talk on this then time will not be sufficient! You can see with your eyes whether this Kundalini is there within us or not. When Kundalini is being raised you can see that how it is vibrating on this triangular bone. When there is clutch in Nabhi chakra then specially these vibrations can be seen so strong that any small child also can see this. This does not require any proof. For this we have prepared film also which we will show on BBC TV. Kundalini resides here only at this place. You can read some of the books have been written down about Kundalini. Irwin Sahab has also written such a big book about Kundalini. Till now he also doesn’t know that where is Kundalini residing exactly. Then why they are writing about this? Who has given them rights to write such a big book? If he is British that does not mean whatever they feel can write. By reading books and without experience by observing, he had written may be Kundalini is in stomach or may be little bit below this or may above sit. All things made by God are never little bit here and little bit there [not flexible]. Truth is unique. All this confusion is there only in human brain that whether it is here or there. Things which have been created by God are just at that place only and not at any other place. You can see this with your eyes. This Kundalini residing at triangular bone is moving with you for many lives. Even after death she is wandering above your head and when you again take birth then enters in you and resides inside. Death and birth are work of very great compilation. If we start to talk on this topic then will take a big lecture. But we don’t have any connection with death at this moment. Now we are just related with present and we will discuss only about it. As left side channel, Ida Nadi is related with our subconscious about past; in the same manner channel from right side which is called as Pingala Nadi is related with our future, and the channel which is in our middle is related with present, now, at this moment. See this there is gap between these due to which human beings cannot stay in present; either he goes ahead or stays behind but cannot stay in present. Cannot stay in present. Now see what happens due to awakening of Kundalini. When you hold your hands like this in front of me, then energy or vibrations flowing through me enters through your hands, through fingers and these fingers, see these fingers – they have not shown this in chart but another chart has shown this – these are also having centres on right and left. On right hand and left hand are also having these centres and all these fingers, its edges at that place are centres [chakras]. And when these chakras or centres are awakened then you can feel on them that your which chakras are caught up. Due to this you can understand chakras from both left sympathetic and right sympathetic and when you know chakras then due to chakras you can cure any diseases due to chakras. Like yesterday one girl came. She was having multiple sclerosis which is incurable, nobody can cure this. Then why it was cured by Sahaja Yoga? Because in this first diagnosis is that which chakra is being caught up. Mooladhara Chakra is caught up. Heart chakra is caught up. If you awaken Shri Ganesha on Mooladhara Chakra and in Heart [Chakra], Shri Shiva is being pleased. Then immediately that person will be cured because his chakras which are subtlest, which are basic, are cured, then that person will be cured. Diagnosis also will be done by human being. That person who gets realized, he himself will diagnose, will give treatment, give medicine and can give self-realization to others. The first chakra is below Kundalini. God almighty has kept this here with proper wisdom. So, this chakra is adorned due to Shri Ganesha. It is called by Mooladhara Chakra and above this is Mooladhara. Triangular bone [sacrum] is called as Mooladhara. Some people call it by Murgund. Many names have been given. But Shri Ganesha resides on Mooladhara Chakra and it's very necessary to understand this Mooladhara Chakra. Our sex is controlled by this chakra and Shri Ganesha has been kept above this. Shri Ganesha is an innocent child. That’s why he has been positioned there because he is so much pure that no dirt can touch him. That’s why is being seated there. Because small child is having so much innocence that all such things are all above him, that’s why Shri Ganesha is seating there. By residing there Shri Ganesha [protects] Kundalini which is Gauri Swaroopa [form of Gauri], means she is married but still did not meet to husband, still virgin. In virginity only she has created Ganesha and kept him here. See such a beautiful organization is this and she is residing there waiting for husband, waiting for meeting with Shiva. For the protection of her chastity, for her protocol, Shri Ganesha is residing there. Now on this I will tell you what Mantrika’s [Tantric's] have done mistake. Because I am Mother, I will not say that they do this deliberately. But this can be greatest sin, this can happen by mistake only. Initially when they started doing “manan” because was not having so much pure mind due to which it might have happened, that’s why maybe they feel Shri Ganesha’s trunk as Kundalini and due to this they considered Kundalini at that place where we sustain chakra. Where there is Shri Ganesha, there is no Kundalini and that’s why they developed such theory that by doing sex Kundalini comes up. May be initially this mistake has happened. Might have happened but being Mother I cannot blame them. They are also my children. But human beings have never done any mistake more than this. See Kundalini is your Mother and this is so strong to blame on her. But by this mistake all Tantric society was created. In sixth century, there were riots in our country and all kings, emperors who were filled with dirty life style were giving more support to such activities. They ruined it to such low level that our all architecture, scripture as much as even in our all sciences they featured it. They started saying that Shiva and Shakti were homosexual and they also started saying that “Ashwamedha Yadnya” is also unisexual. The person whose eye becomes blind in shravan [one season with all greenery around], he sees everything as green. Such a highest virgin great principle they brought very low level and ruined it. Tantric are actually, we know its technique [tantra] and we know how to operate this technique. This is your technique by which Kundalini comes up. But these bad people named themselves by "tantric". It is like as if one thief has come and is calling himself as a king and due to this confusion human beings cannot understand that while discussing about Kundalini, why Mataji is saying about purity. Actually, this Kundalini which is purest thing and people get astonished when we relate it to purity. Such a darkness is here. Then when such people who do not value character in their life, who are not pure, those who are spending their life by wrong ways, those who have completely prepared themselves for their destruction, so if such people when try to raise Kundalini then it’s must that heat will be created inside them. They will start jumping and will do many funny things. Those who have faced such experiences is natural because Shri Ganesha is survivor of mistakes, he cuts all sympathetic nervous system. We have such people when their Kundalini was raised then bristles came out from here to here, all over their body. This is not due to raising of Kundalini but its reaction of sympathetic due to… See here its flowing through two sides. You can see that you cannot raise Kundalini through Ganeshaji. He is residing at rear side. But I feel that when people come from foreign countries to our country they come from bathroom or from drainage and they write explanation of that [drainage] as explanation of our country. They are donkeys only. If they want to come then they can come from main gate and then understand what is culture [civilization] of our country! Such a learned man like Jung, I admire him a lot. He was also donkey because he came from same way and he spread all Tantric and its importance. No Indian is remaining with us to tell them the real truth. Because Indians do not study and also do not try to understand these things, that what is the science of Kundalini actually. When your Kundalini is awakened, you will be surprised to know that you just become like innocent child because Shri Ganesha is awakened initially. At the beginning Shri Ganesha receives vibrations which are flowing through hands. Your hands are towards me. Vibrations enter through your hands and inform Shri Ganesha that now Mother has come and you become like small child. Because He breaks the way in between. Then after that Kundalini rises. Kundalini never rises till Shri Ganesha do not sanction. If you are very impure person then Kundalini cannot rise or if anybody has damaged your Mooladhara then also cannot rise. Nowadays mostly [false] gurus do this dirty work. These people break your Kundalini. People become unhappy with me if I say something against their gurus, “Mataji, don’t say this.” Then what? Shall I adorn them with garlands? Or shall I do Aarti to them who break your Kundalini, who destroy your chance to have second birth and dispel you from your own right to get this? These people are just interested in money. They eat your money. I don’t have problem. They crook you; I don’t mind. Whatever they want to do, they may become thief, they make your women dirty. If your women are so stupid, let them become dirty. I don’t mind. But when they trouble Kundalini and make your Kundalini dirty then they should be called by “rakshasa” [demons] and they are demons only. I know such 16 demons who were killed by Goddess many times and they have born again and again and again. They are born in this Kali Yuga [era of Kali] and 6 rakshasin [female demons] also have taken birth and people worship them. Such senseless people are. They don’t have any limits. This Kundalini is your Mother. She is waiting that a day will come and her child will get his second birth. She only gives you second birth. Due to her you are known as twice born. If you are superficial person, if you don’t have any depth in you, if you don’t feel that Kundalini to raise on her own, even if you have done some mistakes, still she is telling that he has done this mistake. From your chakras it can be known that you have done this mistake, you have done that mistake and, in this way, we can know completely about Kundalini. But if you have carefully kept your Kundalini properly like as Kabira has said, “Das kabir jatan se odhi, jaisi ki taisi rakhdini chadariya”, at that time Kundalini of such people get easily awakened. Now after this next chakra above this is called as Swadishthana. This chakra comes from our Nabhi and is moving around thios [Nabhi]. Due to Swadishthana Chakra our attention is activated. Wherever we put our attention there Swadishthana Chakra starts working. That’s why when we think too much at that time Swadishthana Chakra converts, transforms fat from stomach so that it can be used in our brain. Brain is also having fat globules in it. These fat globules which we use are transformed in stomach by Swadishthana Chakra and transfers them to brain. This is the chakra which keeps control on our liver, pancreas, kidney and some part of uterus. This is the centre of creation. Whatever we think about future, we feel like to create, whatever we do planning for future then this Chakra starts working and it enlightens our attention. It enlightens our attention. The person who has bad liver, his attention is always sad. He will not like anything. It’s not his fault because his liver is not good. That’s why it is called as 'liver' as it is related with your life. In the same manner person who thinks too much and do too much planning his liver also becomes worse because either it is doing work of thinking and supplies continuously to brain which or will look after all these organs. From these organs when pancreas becomes bad then you get diabetes developed. Diabetes can be cured 100 percent. In this manner due to excessive thinking right side of a person is doing excessive work and left side becomes orphan aged or becomes sad, gets neglected. Due to this when person thinks too much, does too much work, does too much physical efforts then he gets heart attack. When he gets heart attack then he should understand that, “Now I have done too much.” He becomes imbalanced. He should understand immediately that now he should pay attention towards emotions and try to bring balance. In Sahaja Yoga after self-realization there is very simple process to bring balance, raise left side and put it on right side. Just now many people came here who were not able to get realized, their only left side was raised and put it on right side only 3 times, then immediately their Kundalini came out. As you can see here that when you think too much or when you are very busy in work then your ego gets developed, as shown above. Which actually goes through your head up to here revolving like a balloon and when you develop conditionings in yourself means when you try to press this ego then superego is awakened in you which is called as superego. In this manner two different types of balloons are developed in you. When one balloon is more developed than another balloon then it tries to control another balloon and it exerts pressure on another balloon. Nowadays ego is more developing in Indians because we are developing so we do much planning. We are very active that’s why due to thinking our ego is increasing. Nowadays in Western people superego is increasing because initially there, ego was so much grown up that it completely controlled superego. So, they were disturbed and through ego they started thinking there should be some control over this and they started taking drugs, etc. Due to intake of drugs superego was increased. As superego gave push to ego then ego came here and superego was expanded. Now wobbling is going on in between these two. They are pushing each other from here to there and nothing is at proper place. All the time wobbling is going on in between two in their mind. They are having very different worries. As you know that those who are very wealthiest countries as like Sweden are having more number of suicides because in their mind this quarrel of ego and superego is going on. Living is not in their tract [they are not having capacity to stay alive]. In one minute, you can see in America hundreds of people: somebody’s nose is moving, somebody’s head is moving, somebody’s eyes are flickering, somebody’s mouth is twisting. They cannot sit in peace for one minute. If you see young people, can see big wrinkles over here due to worries. The reason for this is quarrel between ego and superego which is continuously going on within them and so much fallacy and confusion is going on in their mind that they don’t understand, "What is it?" and by taking benefit of this, demonic powers or negativities enter in their brain. And that’s why they follow such things so that they can run away from this and can run away from all problems in this world. This Swadishthana Chakra is very important. Because those people who do excessive work either goes to extreme, we call this as supraconcious area which is on right hand side. So, when it's transgressed then we enter into collective supraconcious. In this manner when they are transgressed on left side then he enters from [personal] subconscious into collective subconscious. Upper part of human beings is of collective consciousness. The person who thinks too much about dead persons, about death specially in Buddha Dharma [religion] this has entered. It’s surprising I don’t understand that why Buddhists have given so much importance to death. Actually, according to me Buddha never conformed it and Buddha said that don’t worship any dead things. Buddhist people are just opposite to this. If you go to Ladakh there many Buddhists do necromancy, tantrism. With Mahavira followers is also same thing. But these people go to more extremes than Mahavira followers. But at least Mahavira’s followers, due to his going backward whatever may be like but they will prepare temple, will prepare caves, will do drawings, if not anything else, then will work for cloth shop, sell clothes these kinds of work, and Buddha followers – but Buddha who never talked about death, surely Mahavira has said about death and hail, but Buddha never talked about death – all are just going on discussing about death. In Ladakh there is science formed about which person is to be seated, by which way; how person is to be kept in funeral; how he his hand is to kept; how to have management for him. In which Buddha’s book this has been written, I don’t know. But he can never write this thing. All this necromancy, tantrism, all force them towards left side and with this you have the equations about whom you must have heard dakini, shakini, hakini, etc., etc., in this way have seven resonances. With its resonance a person is just pushed forward in collective subconscious and in collective subconscious all those persons who are dead are there who are afraid of their life, who run away from life, sly being. Those who are very wicked in nature are also there, very nefarious people can also be there. But they don’t have courage to do this work openly. They do this dirty work very secretly. Those people who are not satisfied in this way are also wandering there only. Our place is beyond this. When we are dead then we stay in collective conscious and we are waiting for the day when we will get rebirth. We don’t believe that you wander here and there with unsatisfied emotions. These wandering beings are very bad in [their] left side and when they enter in our body through our Agnya Chakra then a person can get infected with diseases or becomes mad or many other different diseases. These all diseases are of Ida channel and those diseases which psychologist treats, are due to our left subconscious. So, our Freud Sir was only Intelligent according to me, he was just having one eye and don’t have another eye. He just saw one side but he did not saw another side. He used to say that, "It’s all conditionings and nothing else and it has already started with sex." He brought all things to the sex. If he would have read at least little bit of Indian psychology then he would have become little intelligent. But his vision was so much one sided, he just used to see only one side and he himself was very disgusting. He was having bad relationship with his own mother. He brought all creatures and deceived them in dirt. And this must happen because if psychologist all time stays with mad people, then he himself will become mad. All that dirt comes in him which he sees in mad people. This maybe psychologist doesn’t know. And the one who has come with me here, he is very, very good psychologist there, he himself told this. Because if somebody has got TB [tuberculosis] then we understand that he has got TB, need to protect ourselves. But we don’t understand any way to protect ourselves from these [dead] spirits, possessions. We meet them, we talk with them then it might happen that we also take something from them and due to this reason, they cannot cure many people’s diseases because they cannot see them. This is very subtle thing. It resides inside us and it is there, surely there, and this is settled in us. Now if you go to right side then in right side you reach in supraconcious area. Then from there if you go beyond then you reach in collective supraconcious area. At this place those people who are very ambitious people stay there. They are very ambitious people those who always talk about future. But as Hitler is dead, he must be there. Because he is still not satisfied. Many ambitious people are in this place. When you go to supraconcious then one of these gentlemen enters in you. When these [dead] spirits enter in you then you become mad, extremity of anything. In this an ambitious spirit is filled in you. Spirit named “Ram” is filled in you then you start working. They start working on you. In ten years, your condition will become as like broken car starts doing sounds. Now I went there they used to do trans [transcendental meditation]. There who ever have followed it, listen carefully because when you go in trans then you go in supraconcious and after entering in this supraconcious then these spirits ride on you. Spirit named ‘Ram’ will ride on you. Whatever is your own is all lost. You take somebody else’s load on yourself. Try to understand: if Hitler comes and sits above you then how will be your condition? It might happen that you become very successful person. Very successful person. All world can see this. But after ten years your condition will become such that you… That’s why somebody has very bad spirit then can be seen within one year. Will tell you one example from here only. Last year when I came here, he started saying that, "Mother, my condition is such that if from any place some fragrance comes my breathing starts becoming faster. My condition is that I cannot go through any temple or masjid. If anybody says name of God then my breathing becomes faster. What is this?" I removed his possession and now he is better. So, this also can happen and that’s why you need to understand that both things [subconscious and supraconscious areas] are wrong. We have to do in centre, middle way. This has also been told by Buddha. Same thing has been told by all, that we have to be in centre. In chakra from Nabhi, Kundalini about which I told you yesterday that Nabhi Chakra of our country is spoiled. One thing is that we [want] God, first thing is that. Why you want God? Why God should give you peace? Why should give you health? Why should give you joy? You don’t have even seeking of Him. You don’t even desire to know Him. You are wandering here and there, all kinds of teasing going on. I am asking on behalf of God to you that, "Which God have you seen ever?" He has created all this nature for you and you are just overpowering it. You are quarrelling in between. Even two brothers cannot stay in peace then why should God look after you? Whatever problems have occurred in this world are all human problems. This is because human being itself has adopted demonic power in him and forgetting all about God, he is walking on wrong path. Then why should God Almighty look after you? What is that for him? Today he has created you, tomorrow he will destroy and will again create another world. He has no concern with you. It’s me only that I am Mother and feel that, "No, children should be saved", and this will happen. What do you think, that you will be sitting relaxed? That thing is going to happen. It's all right that now time has been given, now you get realized then it’s all right. Else Kalki incarnation is going to come and when it will come, he will not see anybody, he will not give realization to anybody, will not give lectures to anybody. As now I have requested you. He will not request you that, "Baba, come, come, come." With one sword he will just cut your neck and will finish. And will do so much destruction that you will not understand that where you are. That’s why must understand that now last time has been given to us and last chance also and we should achieve it. Don’t spoil your life by walking on wrong path by hankering after wrong things because your life is very precious. Through so much difficulties you have been created. See all chakras has been created by God Almighty within you. Firstly, beautiful centre like Mooladhara on which Shri Ganesha is residing, then Kundalini, through which you will be reborn. Second one is Swadishthana due to which you can control whole nature. See when I was coming here these people told me that in Delhi it’s raining a lot. I said, "Don’t worry since I have arrived." The day when we arrived rain has stopped. Suddenly rain stopped. It’s not difficult work. I will say that even sun and all that to make it proper is not difficult job. But human beings are very difficult. Most difficult thing is human being. Sun, moon, stars all are under gesticulation of God. It’s no difficult task. But human beings who are free, in front of them even God is also bowing low. How, by which way he should persuade you that, "See how beautiful thing He has created within you? Through this beautiful thing achieve God, get joy through this." But human is not relieved for even 2 minutes that he will sit and settle in God, achieve it, clear in it and give it to others. But they don’t have time though actually they always have watch. For which purpose God has given you time? For what God has opened all secrets of nature which you call as science? From where did you get all these powers? For what purpose you will save time? Everybody will save time. We want to save time. We want to save time. For what you will save time? They will say that, "We want to go to pub." What we will do by saving time? And will say we want to go to ball room for dancing. You need to save time so that you can do meditation, settle in meditation and achieve your Self. That’s why God has given you all these powers. And above this you can see is Nabhi chakra about which I told you yesterday that how much important is this Nabhi chakra. That’s why will not tell you more but human being gets evolved through Nabhi only. When he achieves God, then only he becomes right, then only his vision becomes good. If his attention is always on money, status, politics, on all lower-level things then Kundalini cannot cross this chakra and this chakra is very important chakra within us. And this needs to be well preserved and understood, "How our Nabhi chakra can be kept properly? What can be done for this?" These things you can discuss with these people. They will tell you about this. [Nabhi] Chakra which is above this is very necessary centre. It has been created specially in us as by Nabhi centre developed role of ascent, role of evolution in us. Then as you know Dashavtaran [10 incarnations of Shri Vishnu] took place. Means one by one incarnations took place. As firstly fish incarnation took place. Means initially fish came out. After fish, when fish touched to earth then became reptile. Then incarnation of tortoise took place. All these things are in science and also in ours. In this way one by one creature were developed. Incarnation means life comes and shows to you. But this live achieves to partly form [anshswarup] of God and tell to you, guide to you and his place is within you. So from this, whatever incarnations took place mostly took place in Void and helped you from there and at that time many people tried to achieve God but whenever they tried, demonic or satanic people attacked them. At that time as you know Goddess ‘Shakti of God’ itself incarnated. Like this has been told about 1000 incarnations but she took many incarnations. And She protected all those people who were doing yagnya, etc. with the purpose of crossing Void and protected them. Yagnyas were performed with the intention to enlighten all 5 elements in nature. That’s why yagnyas were performed. Now there is no need to enlighten these elements. All of them are already enlightened in you therefore you get electricity and you can use this energy. Due to enlightenment of all these elements, you can do agriculture and have all these new advancements because all these elements were enlightened. That’s why now there is need to go beyond all your Dharma’s. To achieve last stage of our evolution means to get introduced with your own Spirit. This is your job. All other jobs are finished. Only this last job. Now as I told you Goddess [incarnated] for your protection and she has 1000 names and about them it’s very difficult to express in words. You know all things that how are divine powers, how it is dynamic and how it is subtle. It’s not easy to express about this. Means it’s so active, so loving, so subtle that if one of finger of that is moved and then all world will be moved. It is having so much power. This Goddess has incarnated many times and destroyed demons so that you can follow your Dharma. Now in this right side [of left side] which is [Central] Heart Chakra, is having place of Jagdamba who is your Mother. When you forget that Jagdamba is your Mother then sense of insecurity gets developed in you and when this happens then you get disease of breathing. Disease of breathing which is called as asthma. So, asthma and in case of women they get breast cancer. This is also caused due to sense of insecurity. This sense of insecurity is developed because this abode of Shri Jagdamba remains destitute and it is cured with awakening of this abode of Jagdamba. All such diseases like lungs cancer, etc. are cured due to awakening of this centre. But till human being don’t know that we have abode of Shri Jagdamba in us to know all means to enlighten. I don’t mean that to know means knowledge. There is a lot of difference in between knowledge and enlightenment. When one gets enlightened that Jagdamba resides in us, then only he gets his ascent.The chakra which has been shown on its right side is chakra of Shri Rama. Here [we] have incarnation of Shri Rama. This is abode of father. On left side this there is abode of Jagdamba. In the central [we] have abode of Jagdamba and on left side have abode Shri Parvati who is our Mother. This is abode of mother. If you are having catch in your Left Heart Chakra then if you are asked about your mother then will get to know that either your mother is sick or she has been dead. If you have catch on left means you have heart disease. After this the next chakra/centre which is above is very important chakra, is called as Vishuddhi Chakra and through this 16000 nadis or channels are spread throughout the body. This is the abode of Virata. Which is called by primordial master which is all this is primordial being and in which you all are these small, small cells which is called as microscopic in English. So, in this Great God Almighty you are these small, small cells. When these cells are awakened then this Great Body is also awakened. God Almighty is awakened who has created you as human being and now you know Him and achieve Him. This is your enlightenment. He creates you and that’s why this centre is important through Sahaja Yoga point of view. Because in Vishuddhi Chakra is having abode of Shri Krishna. We cannot understand Shri Krishna now. Shri Krishna was very Great Diplomat. If you want to learn from him learn politics and that’s why you cannot understand all Geeta. Because he was such a Great Diplomat that he thought that these are foolish and these foolish people cannot understand straight way if you tell them [cannot take out ghee with straight finger so it's better to bend it]. That’s why he told you all things in puzzled ways. This I will tell you after some days as there are many things to be told now. As it has been told in Geeta that achieve this, seek for this, you get to know yourself.

3/12/1979

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Public program, Mooladhara (English & Hindi). Delhi, India. 12 March 1979. In the morning, I was telling you that your attention which is towards Me, if I say that you take it inside you, that you cannot take. (I want to ask whether I should speak in Hindi or in English. Sahaja Yogis: Hindi. Shri Mataji: All of you understand English or Hindi? Sahaja Yogi: Hindi. Any language you can speak easily. Shri Mataji: So, I can speak in all the languages. In this birth I learnt English also. Sahaja Yogi: Hindi. Shri Mataji: In Hindi? Ok, will speak in Hindi.) For that, something should happen inside you. Some happening should be there. This I told you in the morning. Another very important thing is that only one or two people achieve atma and paramatma. Only selected ones have and common man is left untouched then there is no meaning of it. There will be no meaning of paramatma neither there will be any meaning of this world. There will be no meaning of this creation. Common man has to achieve it. If it is not of common man and only selected people get it then there will be same condition as of everyone else. Those who had it no one believed in them. And what happens even if we believe, tell Me? Just assume that someone is a king, so he is a king in his house, how does it matter to us. We did not get anything from him. We should also get something, then it will have meaning. That’s why this happening should be there. Not only this, it should happen in common man and in many people. It should happen in many people. I told you science has the same way. That you have come to know about electricity, whoever would have found it, if it is of no use to common man, then what is the meaning of that electricity? Today whatever Sahaja Yoga has achieved, sahaj has been for many years, from the time this earth was created, it was created sahaj only. Like there is a seed, and its sprout is made inside it, everything is inside it, all the maps are already present inside it, all the trees which are going to come out of it. In the same way, entire microscopic map of this universe is made from before only. And that already made is blooming since ages in sahaj way only. 'Sahaj' means: 'sah' means 'with you' and 'ja' means 'which has taken birth'. This thing has taken birth with you only. And like one or two flowers bloom on a tree initially, but when tree grows and spring comes then there are many flowers which gets converted into many fruits. In the same way this Sahaja Yoga which is in our hands today is standing in a new dimension that is for common man. It is not for uncommon people. So first, you should remove this from your brains that, "How will it happen to me? Whether I am worthy of it or not? This happening cannot happen inside us." If you have come with all such thoughts in your mind so remove these thoughts along with your shoes outside. This is destined to happen. This happening has to happen. If not today, it will definitely happen tomorrow. And I have to do it. And you deserve it also. Now till when I can wander in finding the best deserving? What great will happen if I find the best thing and do all the happening in it? So never think like this that this thing will never happen to us. First thing is that. If you have any nervousness regarding it then remove it first. Because I will work hard and this thing will happen. Second point is that you can get doubt that who is Mother to do it. And we had heard that Kundalini awakening is a very difficult process. You have to stand on your head and it takes thousands of years to happen. Everyone says like that only. Don’t know what all they have written about it. But this is not true with me. May be I am an expert of it, artist, know this work that’s why till today I have never seen that someone has asked for Realization and I have not given it. There are many kinds of problems, there are many permutations and combinations for it. Problems are also there as humans have put themselves on wrong ways. It is not necessary that he is a bad person. Person may be good but there can be mistakes in the dharma. They bow their heads at wrong places. They start believing wrong people, get in the circle. Like this man is very nice, very nice man, do not have any bad habit, he has fallen trap, have done some stupidity, what else. And just because evil powers are so much active in Kali Yuga, that remaining protected from it is difficult. These are all children. I have raised Kundalini of thousands of people and I can do yours also, there is no doubt in it. But when I can do it then there is no need for you to get angry with me because of this. In the morning I have told you that when I am artisan of this so I can do it [referring to some other object]. If you are artisan of this, if anyone says to me to repair it, I cannot do it. This never means I have fallen down or raised high. If you ask me to operate it, then I cannot operate it. You may teach it seventeen times but it is not my capability. In this field I am of no use. But the work I know, I know that work, I do it and I have done it and can happen in you too. So, you should be prepared for it before sitting. It has to happen, I deserve it and this happening will happen. And it is for common man. Just be prepared for it. If there is some problem, I will have to tell you, if something has to be avoided then it has to be told, or if you have avoided something which is wrong then I will have to tell you about that also. People get angry on every small thing. Humans are weird. If I say that you bring three thousand rupees for me then you will have no problem. You will give it immediately. But if I say that, "Son, this is a wrong work and leave it", then you will get upset and leave the premises immediately. I am mother and I will have to tell you. You will not get upset by it, first thing. Second thing is that you will have to set in it. Today you have come many people, some people had come in morning and have come again. You have to set in Sahaja Yoga. Because like there is a tree and it has a live process, it has to be set. Initially when the seed sprout, then everything is so soft. It has to be nurtured and taken care. Once the tree is set then no matter winds move, any problem comes, it does not affect the tree. Therefore, you need to know this that after getting you have to be set. Third thing is that many people have habit of listening to lecture. One person came, whom I think does guru shopping. I asked him that he goes to all the gurus, and have come to me in the same way holding his cloth bag, "Guru shopping is happening, let's buy something here also." But here things are different. You cannot do any shopping here. I don’t get satisfaction from lectures. Lectures are alright, in that also I am making your Kundalini dance and rise. Till you do not get Realization, I will not get satisfaction. And you people why are you still stuck in all these things, why don’t you get your Realization? In the end you have to achieve it, you have to know it. But Sahaja Yoga cannot be set due to the reason because people think they should give money to Mother or do something wayward, and you are free. All the gurus do it but you are not able to give money to Mother. You cannot win Mother till you are not realised and you are not set in it. These two things are there. People do not want it and think it is something of hard work. At the time of Realization, you do not need to do any hard work. Not that time. After Realization you need to set and should also set. The time has come. It is the call of the time. If you do not awaken yourself [your Self] in this call of the time then it will be very difficult later. There will be very big problem which I will tell you later. Second thing is that people do not set in Sahaja Yoga and after that they get all the diseases. Then they come to me and say, "Mother cure us." After coming in Sahaja Yoga people have closed the doors for the doctors. They don’t go to their house now. All the things can be corrected but there is one point that after knowing yourself you will have to get into yourself. You will have to be sam ras with yourself. And you will have to use all your powers. Sahaja Yoga is not for any person. Anyone who will be Mother’s son will get from the Mother. I am telling it first; you don’t mind it. Tukaram has said that [unclear] can enter in Sahaja Yoga. Now I will tell you something about Kundalini. Which I have… (Mother and a Sahaja Yogi speak in Marathi). I am here for around five days more. In five days, I will tell you everything about Kundalini. From tomorrow you bring paper and pencil so that you can note the things I am telling. First, you can see in your front this, the God Almighty has created an instrument inside us. Now this instrument is not dead like other things in the world but it is live instrument. And what you call as surati is only the Kundalini. After all we the human beings are moving on the support of something. Look at this eye so it is such a wonderful thing. Movement of the entire body is so efficient and beautiful. Creation of the entire earth has been done with such beauty. All these things, there is some or the other powers which are secret, those are secret because our gross attention cannot know it. You will have to become subtle for that. Having this subtleness is the aim of Sahaja Yoga. To get into this subtleness is aim of Sahaja Yoga. Like we say knowing yourself [Your Self], knowing the Spirit. Like I have told you in the morning that without knowing the Spirit your mystification cannot break. And you cannot know the God Almighty. Anything you know about it just the knowledge but not conception. Conception happens after knowing the Spirit. That’s why Spirit will be known first. After that all the things will be clear to you. Now this is Kundalini. I will explain the entire instrument and then also tell the Kundalini where it is. Firstly (Mother speaks in Marathi) in the left-hand side, you see from the right-hand side of the head power enters and flow through left hand side. Due to this power, we have our existence. It is a subtle power; it is not visible to us. It comes from our head, passes through our spine and comes till the bottom. It is not visible by eyes. But when Realization happens then I will be able to show you each and every power. The channel which bears this power we call it Ida Nadi or Chandra Nadi. This subtle power when manifests outside, when there is its expression or manifestation, then our left sympathetic nervous system is made by it. It is the power of our existence and when this power sleeps then we die. That’s why people also call this power as samvhar power. In Sanskrit, this power is called 'Mahakali Shakti'. There is no word in English because in English they have not found about these things that what are its undercurrents. Science has not able to find about undercurrents of sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system till now. So, you don’t have to be afraid if I call it Mahakali power. We are not English people. And second power inside us which passes through left hand side [in the head] and comes on the right-hand side it is called power of Mahasaraswati. By this power we do all the movements, physical activities and mental activities. In medicine people are not able to find difference between left and right sympathetic. But these two are two different things. Your emotional side is due to left, and mental and physical side is because of right. This difference is not found in medicine. Because of this people are not able to understand disease like diabetes. That I will tell that how imbalances come. And imbalance we can understand by understanding the difference of these two things that one channel is used more and other channel is used less. One channel is used less so because of that, diseases related to it happen and the one which is used more, then because of it, aggression occurs on it. Sense of imbalance comes only when you are able to see it's two sides. The channel in which the power of right-side flows is known as Pingala Nadi. People also call it 'Surya Nadi'. By this, sympathetic nervous system of right-side manifests. In the centre what you are looking, there is a channel, this channel is called 'Sushumna Nadi'. This channel is created inside us, it manifests parasympathetic nervous system in us. Human beings have reached till that only. Now whatever we have achieved in our evolution from amoeba stage to stage of human beings it is recorded in our central nervous system. Our central nervous system can be understood as a reflector of all this. It is in our conscious mind. Left-hand channel called Ida Nadi nurtures our subconscious mind. Or it operates it, like if you are listening something from me, you are listening from your conscious mind. But it goes in your subconscious. This work is done by your left-side channel. It hears anything and then immediately transfers it in the subconscious. And that is why what people call conditioning can be of two types. It can be good sanskars as well as bad sanskars. People like Freud have seen only bad sanskars. Their eyes are like the way of taking knowledge of such people is like it is a dark place and whatever is found in anybody’s hand, they take and sit, "It is the truth." It is called 'objecting'. Second way is that light has been switched on. You see everything. It is the way of Sahaja Yoga. Gaining knowledge by listening to someone or by science is a blind way. When searched by that method, Mr. Freud was already a blind. In my view he was a strange man by brain. People tell such dirty things about him. He held this thing and worked on it. And he said that whenever you stop someone from doing something it leads to conditioning, man is not free because of it. But he did not think that if you do not stop a person from doing things then his other channel will become powerful. By first channel superego is formed inside us. First channel which is Ida Nadi it forms superego inside us. And the second channel which is channel of ego, which is on right-hand side, it forms ego. It means if you have become a government servant then you will not talk to anybody nicely. Some people went to meet the Minister, there one person was jumping a lot. Villagers did not understand it so they asked what the matter is. He said, "You do not know I am the PA?" Villagers said, "You should have told us earlier that you are drunk; we would not have talked to you." (Mother laughs.) In this way ego rises. It is not understood by Mr Freud. When you cut the left side, it will rise from other side and sit in your head in the form of ego. Ego and superego are like that in our head. Now let me explain ego and superego to you. It is not due to psychology but by the grace of God. Psychology has also accepted ego and superego. For e.g. a small kid is drinking milk from mother and sitting in joy. Now mother picked him up to take on other side, it awakens the ego of the child, "Why she did it?", so mother scolds, "No son, you should not do like that", this awakens his superego. In this way balloons of ego and superego gets accumulated in our head. Ego is from front till here and superego is from back till here. Now when these two gets accumulated in our head then fontanel bone of our head gets calcified. It becomes strong and our head is filled. Now you have become you, you have become you and you have become you. Everything else is left. Everyone is separated, everyone has separate shells, like there are shells of egg, in the same way humans also have shells. These shells are made because inside it, humans should recognise their freedom inside it. Use it properly. After using it he understands what is right and what is not. Though it is not left completely on the man. Many big saints have taken incarnation in this world and explained you that it is dharma, "Don’t do this, do this." Are they all mad? We all made their caste and made them sit separately in corner. Just fold hands in front of them from morning till evening, that’s it. Listening to their talks in our life is waste for us. After all, why they said it? Why did they say this thing that, "Don’t do this, don’t do that. If you do this. this will happen, if you do that, that will happen." Because we are very intelligent, we will know about everything through science. What is science? It is a very small part of this knowledge. I will also tell you that with science you know such a small portion. Very little. Through Pingala Nadi you get five elements, through science you just know five elements, like earth has gravity. But why it is there, how it is there? You ask one question that why have we become humans from amoeba, what is the reason? If we are making something then human being will ask that, "Why are you making it?" After all it must be having some meaning. Why God has made us? Today a biology person came, he said, "I don’t have faith in God." I said, "I wonder about you that even a biology person doesn’t have trust then it is all done!" All others work with dead matter. At least who is in biology should think that God has made human beings with such beauty. And God has made in such small time that many big biologists are surprised that humans could not have been created by law of chance. At the max an amoeba could have been created. So, God have given us this responsibility, he has given us freedom, that we know in our freedom about what is good and bad. And when we accept God Almighty in our freedom then He gives us the blessing of knowing Him, the way this machine has been made and got ready. But till we do not attach it to mains, till then what is its meaning? A cord is made inside it only nad. In the same way cord made inside you is Kundalini. God has made it from before only, you don’t have to make it, you don’t have to put any efforts. Like there is a sprout, a premule, in the same way God has kept its sprout inside you. Kundalini is the same which is in the triangular bone. Now you see the gap in between, this gap is there in central nervous system of the human beings. This gap is, that the gap between the humans and the Spirit inside in the heart, it is the same gap. We have a Spirit inside us, It knows all about us, It is kshetr Heart. But it is not in our central nervous system, means it is not in our conscious mind. That means that we have not known It but It knows about us. That’s why this gap has been made because Kundalini has to rise from inside it. This has to happen. The happening about which I used to say you, Kundalini awakening, is the happening. It is not mechanical, don’t think it as dead. It is a live happening. Like a sprout comes out of a seed, in the same way it is a living process. Humans have not done any living work till date, have you done? Try taking out one sprout from one seed. Any tree died, you fixed a pole there, you became a big person. You are changing a dead, whether you make a chair out of it or make anything else. Then you started sitting on the chair, so chair sat on your head and now you cannot sit on floor. You see people sitting in the back are hanging, cannot sit on the floor. This is your condition. You have become a slave of it. What have been the advantage from this dead work? You discover about all the dead elements. Try finding about some live element, that how all this happens? How one sprout becomes a big tree, can you find about it? You see thousands of such things around you. Yes, you say it is like that, it is like that, which is visible. But how that happening happens? It is a very subtle happening. You are not able to see it. You also know that many sounds are of so high frequency that you cannot listen it. The state in which humans are made, in that state he cannot know about such subtle things. But he is made like that, that he knows it also. Only human beings can know about it. Only in humans this special brain has been made, which is triangular, in which all the happenings take place inside which ego and superego meets. In humans only Kundalini is sitting like this and this happening can happen in human beings only. Now you think that this universe was created, inside which earth was specially created, inside which plants and trees were made and then you were made. You were created in a special way and all such things were placed inside you. Only you have this right that you know about the God and carry His powers inside you. This is your aim and this is your fulfilment. Till you will not carry powers of God inside you, till then there is no meaning of you and there is no meaning of the entire universe. This happening has to happen, and today whatever is happening it is also historical thing, coming of all the people in this world, step by step is necessary. I will tell about it tomorrow that how in this world all the big incarnations whom we call big prophets, we call them Gurus, how they came in this world and how they worked in our awareness and where inside us they are placed. I will tell about it tomorrow. This Kundalini is in our triangular bone or not, people don’t know about this also and there are big books on Kundalini. Tell me what should I do? In all those big books they don't even know where is Kundalini. I can show you this, you can see your Kundalini vibrating with your own eyes. With your eyes, whether you get Realization or not, you can see the vibrations of the Kundalini, you can see its rising and falling by your eyes. Like you are breathing in the same way you can see breathing of Kundalini. You will see triangular bone shaking, in that you will see Kundalini awakening, you see by yourself with your eyes. I have made a film also on it. When Kundalini rises then it starts vibrating. Some people are such nice people that Kundalini rises in a moment. It is not visible in them. Who have a catch in Nabhi Chakra, the Nabhi Chakra present here, when it gets catches the Kundalini starts vibrating. Not only that you will also see that when Kundalini rises. Suppose you have liver trouble, then you will see it is going towards liver and vibrating. You will be able to see with your eyes. If you use stethoscope then you will be able to see it where it is rising. In the end it reaches here, on which Kabir has said, "Shunya shikhar par anhad baje", means its pulsation is felt. 'Anahad' means 'it pulsates'. When it gets open then the pulsation stops and the All-Pervading Power [Chaitanya] which is very subtle and you do not know it, by which each and every leaf, every flower, every fruit and every human being is completely taken care of, guided and sheltered, you become one with that Power. Till now you have not known it, you don’t have any information about it. You have only read about it, till now you have not felt it. You should feel it, without feeling, everything is waste. You have started doubting since the beginning. What is there to doubt in it? Have people not written about it in the past? Everyone has told. But if the time has come to receive it then everyone should get it. But everyone will take it, this also I know. There are many reasons for it, many reasons are there. Now all these centres, the subtle centres reside inside us. These centres are one by one stages of our evolution. First, when we were carbon so this is the first centre of Shri Ganeshaji. After that when Brahmadeva made the entire universe, so the second centre is of Bramahadeva, that is Swadishthan Centre, it is also inside us because of it only we can make the universe. Because of this centre only we think and plan. After that there is Nabhi Centre, For Nabhi Centre you know that whatever has happened in the evolution from fish to human being, everything has happened here. For helping in it many big Gurus have incarnated inside us, whom you know from Socrates to Confucius, Moses, Raja Janaka, Mohammed Sahib, Nanak Sahib, Kabir, all these big Gurus, all of them have worked hard on it and made dharma of human beings. It is the dharma of human beings inside, in the stomach, not outside. Like dharma of this gold is that it does not get spoiled, it is untarnishable. In the same way, 10 dharmas of human beings are formed inside the stomach. If the man gets (unclear word: blockages-?) from these ten dharmas, then his Kundalini will not rise. We have to rectify these dharmas again. Kundalini Herself has to feed them, nourish them. Only after that, Kundalini rises, otherwise it gets sucked there. And this work is done by Kundalini, you don’t have to do anything, it is effortless. What effort have you put in getting born? Or what effort has been put by seed in growing tree from it? What books it has read? In the same way as it is a live happening then what effort do you have to put? Effortless: 'sahaja' means 'effortless'. And by the word 'sahaja' it means 'with you it is born'. This right to unify is born with you. Since you are a human being, it is your birth right that you achieve this yoga or unification and know the God Almighty. This is you right. But you yourself don’t want to use your rights. Then what will God do? Now these subtle centres, if you are able to awaken these centres, then your health will improve automatically. There is one disease, what it is called, it is called multiple sclerosis, doctors say it cannot be treated but I say it can be treated with Sahaj Yoga. It can be cured 100 percent. In this I see three centres which get catches: Mooladhara Chakra, Nabhi Chakra and Agnya Chakra. If we cure these three centres then it can get cured. When you try to search something from outside, suppose there is a tree, some problem has come in it, even if you do some treatment from outside also it may get cured to some extent, but if you know how to cure it from its roots then the tree will get cured. In the same way, disease of cancer. You get cancer due to over usage of sympathetic nervous system. Either you do it emotionally or due to some other reasons, sometimes there is some irritation or some infection, in any ways these sympathetic emergencies are there on you. If there is emergency, is continuously on you. Then what happened in emergency here, same condition happens to human beings, in that time parasympathetic is constantly trying to cure your cancer. You get cancer daily. That means you use sympathetic nervous system daily and parasympathetic goes on feeding it to balance it. It is in the centre Sushumna Nadi. Like there is a left side or right side, there is right side sympathetic or left side sympathetic, both are working all the time. When they break, the Deities inside it also sleeps. Then starts the malignancy, one cell starts expanding, from that another cell also start expanding. It is not related to the entire body; single unit starts expanding arbitrarily. It forms cancer. If we awaken the Deities inside it then the cancer can be cured. Now there are Deities or not? People will say, how can we trust in Deities? After Sahaja Yoga, you yourself will see that after taking their names things get cured and you will realise, they are there. This will happen after Sahaja Yoga. But mentally also we can explain. Like adrenaline and acetylcholine are two chemicals, two absolutely dead chemicals, but they have a weird behaviour in our body. Nobody is able to understand. They say that we cannot explain their mode of action. All the scientists are genuine, not fraud but they have their own limitations and according to that they tell that at some places these chemicals augment and at some other places it relaxes. They are not able to understand. Same thing is done by the Deities. If some foreign matter enters our body, then they try to throw it out of the body. But if there is a foetus in the womb then it is not thrown out but it is taken care, nurtured and at proper time, exact time it is thrown out of the body. It is the work of Shri Ganesha. It is done by Ganeshaji. Ganesha Tattwa does this work inside us. Now, doctors will not believe in Ganeshaji but keep his photo in their house. There will be photo of Nanakji, Ganeshaji and all. But Ganeshaji is present inside us on our Mooladhara Chakra. This they will not believe. Now what shall I do? You tell Me. How to teach? Now, the girl that came here with multiple sclerosis, I told her to say the mantra of Shri Ganesha in front of Me, she got cured. But if you say it will not happen because you should have the right to awaken Shri Ganeshaji. But if you get your Realization, you will also get the right. If you are citizen of Delhi then whatever rights are there in Delhi you will get it. If you become the citizen of God’s Kingdom then what Ganeshaji and what Hanumanji? All will be in front of you with their hands folded asking, "Tell my child what has to be done?" Now is this true or not you should test it and see. First, you come in the Kingdom of God. Otherwise, if you are not its citizen, you are of Government of India then live in its efficiency. I am saying you come in Government of God, then I will tell you the things. You see your powers will reach where. Then no disease will be able to touch you, leave aside cancer. You will be able to cure cancer of other people. But without getting Realization we cannot talk about anything; point is that first you should get your Realization. Only then you will be able to go in subtle. When you go in subtle you yourself will be able to control it. Your yourself will be able to control that which controls the entire universe. It is an All-Pervading Power and the moment you come in it, in your attention, it starts flowing from your central nervous system. The vibrations of your heart start flowing from your central nervous system and you feel cool vibration in your hands. We call it 'cool breeze'. When it starts flowing through you, means the Spirit is flowing through you, then whatever you do, you are doing in the Kingdom of God. This happening is necessary for man. Then I don’t need to say that you leave alcohol or leave cigarette. You have to leave everything and you leave it on your own. Because when there is joy inside then who will be interested in joys of outside? All of these people sitting here in the backside were drunkards, firm drunkards. What drunkards, they use to take so much drugs that can do anything to you. They have left everything and sitting in joy. It happens automatic. Now there is no need to say, "When you start enjoying from inside then you don’t need anything from outside." I don’t need to say anything. There is a small thing that if you take an animal from any dirt, filth, mud anything, he does not get smell. But if you take a human being, he gets smell. In the same way when you go in Kingdom of God your awareness becomes such that you are not able to tolerate it. You will get burning in your hands. You will not like all this. These things will be left on its own. And that's why all the habits, everything falls off on its own. I will not have to say anything in that. Everything will happen on its own. Today in front of you, I have given an introduction to Sahaja Yoga. Tomorrow, I will tell you about its deep details. I have told you that whatever subtle, subtlest its knowledge is, all of it I am ready to tell you. Entire knowledge is this, everything else is impure knowledge. Things will work out just by the movement of your fingers, but first you should know yourself. You are not knowing your powers and just sitting keeping hands on hands. Till now, your motor has not started. First start the motor then you will come to know. Before that only you are doing other work. It is a small thing. (Mother talking to some yogi, "How are you child? Please sit down.") So, the first thing is that this happening should happen, second thing is to establish in it, third thing is to get the entire knowledge, which chakra is where, how to move that chakra, how to cure that chakra. There are only three steps of Sahaja Yoga. If this happens then you become a Sahaja Yogi and you start doing miracles sitting here only for you and for others also. You start enjoying because the power will be flowing from you all the time. Do you understand it? Everybody understood it or not? Or you still have questions in your mind? If you don’t have any questions then after this we will go into meditation. I am coming in two minutes till then you people relax a bit, take off this tie as you are getting catches on Vishuddhi Chakra. Just become light and sit. I am not any Guru, I am your Mother. You have a place on my head. Just relax your body. (Still Hindi translation.) What should I say? Just tell me really, I don’t know what to say. (Mother laughs.) I keep on saying everything. Sir you tell me what do you want to know. Yogi: Tell us Do’s and Don’ts. Shri Mataji: Ha, Do’s and Don’ts. Actually, today here more Sahaja Yogis are sitting who have already attained Realization and those who are not realised are less. So, they are asking me to tell what realised people should do. First thing is that Sahaja Yoga is not a lecture or a brain wash. It is nothing like these things. It is actualisation which actually happens to you. It has to be actualisation because if your attention is outside and if I say you take your attention inside then you cannot take it. If I say take your attention towards your Spirit then you will ask where the Spirit is and where I have to take the attention. It is possible only by one means when something happens inside you and due to that actualisation attention will go inside. [Shri Mataji speaks in English] I am telling them about the way Sahaj Yoga is. It is not the talking about it or giving a lecture or a brain wash that is going to help but the actualisation, the happening that is going to take place within you. Now why, people ask me, why this Kundalini was kept like that there and then it had to rise and that people had to seek it? First of all, as I said that Kundalini is the residual consciousness within us is recording all that we have done before in many lives and today whatever we are doing. It is the subconscious which is like a tape recorder, the complete micro subconscious you can call it, which is placed in the triangular bone. Now, why is happening is necessary because the attention that is outside of human beings have to be pulled inside. Now how is it possible to attract the attention inside? Say something happens, say a tree falls down, you are listening to me with complete concentration but a tree falls down you all will pay attention to that because that’s a happening which attracts your attention. That’s why Kundalini rising was necessary. If Kundalini was just placed in a way like all our nerves are there would have been no happening. To create the happening within us the Kundalini was kept in such a fashion in three and a half coils. So, the happening takes place and automatically our attention is attracted inside. Because we know Sahaja Yoga is a spontaneous happening. It happens spontaneously. You cannot take your attention inside whatever you may try. You think you are deluded in thinking that you are doing something about your evolution. So, we come to the point, "What should we do after Realization?" Before Realization you don’t have to do anything whatsoever because you cannot do. It is something like this machine has not yet started or your car has not yet started. When the car has not started then how will you move about? What is the use of moving the steering? What’s the use of moving the brake or clutches? It makes no difference. So, doing anything before Self-Realization has no meaning. Has no meaning. (Now don’t pay attention to every small happening anybody coming in and all that. That’s too much. Pay attention.) (Shri Mataji laughs.) So, before Realization people think, "We should do some sort of a jap and tap" and all these things. This is all artificial. When your machine has not yet started why should you do it? Without knowing your Atma or Spirit you cannot know anything about God and whatever you try to do could be absolutely wrong because you haven’t got the eyes to see. That’s why all these people who play into the religions have landed in difficulties. Once you are connected with God, you enter into the Kingdom of God, then you are looked after and then you have a right to use your powers as a citizen of that kingdom. But before that if you try to do any such efforts it is all futile. Could be like a telephone being used which is not connected to the mains. It is like a toy. It’s a dummy. Till you are Realised you are a dummy. You must get your Realization. And for that God has already made arrangements in you. Why are you worried? As I have said again and again you have become a human being from amoeba without doing any effort. Who has done it? A seed sprouts (unclear word), do you stand on your head for a seed or does the seed stand on its head? This is a living process! Your whole evolution is a living process, which has to be worked out by God Almighty Himself. You cannot do it. Once you know that you cannot do it, then you will realise that all the efforts you have put in might have even spoiled your Kundalini’s channel. It has gone to such absurd limit of deliberations sometimes I do feel like laughing but mostly I weep. Even like Raja Yoga and all that people talk of. Actually, these things happen within yourself to the machinery when it starts moving. You see it would be something like a car when it moves the wheel also move, automatically. You don’t have to move the wheel. But before starting the car if you start moving the wheel will the car move? It is something like that you have done. Artificially you have moved the wheels, you have moved everything, taken so much labour. And if you have to move the wheel, imagine without starting the car, how much effort you have to put in. You are exhausting your energy, you are spoiling the wheel and you do not even budge out an inch. It is as simple as that. But when I say it has to be effortless, people say, "What about purusharth [effort]? Is all egoistical. Purusharth [effort] is in maintaining yourself alright." Like Kabir has said, "Das kabeer jatan se odhi, jaisi ki taisi rakh di ni chadariya!." That you do not do. You will go to a guru, pay him money, run after him and do all kinds of thing for a guru. But you will not improve your moral life. You will drink, you will have woman, you will have all kinds of self-destroying elements working and here you will be going to guru. You must have your dharmas intact. This is the effort [purusharth] is to keep yourself away from all kinds of non sensical temptations which come to you and use your freedom to maintain your freedom from this kind of non sensical enslavement. This is all enslavement. This is not freedom. To enjoy your lust and greed is not freedom. The freedom lies in achieving the power to be above all these things, above all temptations. Every moment we are enslaving ourselves. There we do not put in any efforts. On the contrary we make all efforts to see that we are completely destroyed before we come to Sahaja Yoga. So now here Mataji is sitting and breaking her hands and making her feet. Children get Realization in no time. They enjoy the vibrations without any difficulty. They have no problems. They are so quiet. They are enjoying the atmosphere while you have complicated yourself for nothing at all. We read all kinds of non sensical things. By reading do you think you will reach God? What university did Christ attend? How many books did He read? What university any one of the saints who were regarded as a real saint have attended? Gyaneshwara the great person from the south, Adi Shankaracharya from Kerala, anyone of them, did they attend any university? They never required it. Because knowledge is within. Whatever is with the out is non knowledge avidhya. Even Surdas says after writing Sursagar: “Surdas ki sabhi avidhya dur karo nandlal.” What is the vidhya [true knowledge]? What is the vidhya of a motor car? To know what switch works what instrument, to know how to control the car, to know how to drive it, that is the vidhya of car. In the same way the vidhya is to know what is the key for different chakras, how to keep your own chakras alright, how to keep the chakras of others alright. How by these things you get the movement into your own being. (What’s the matter? I don’t think I need it. It’s quite a lot.) There is no need at all for you to know the key before starting the car. After starting the car, you can see for yourself. If this works, you can put on the switch, does the light comes in? If you are not able to start the car, what’s the use of knowing the keys also? But surprisingly nobody knows the keys. They are so silly if I tell you. You will be amazed to know how to work it out. Now you get a car which is stranded. It’s not moving at all. You are a novice person; you have never seen a car. Alright, so the car comes to you. So, they say, "Alright you take one name, Rama’s name." You don’t know where does this deity lie. Whether you have to put on that one or not? Whether you have to use that name or not? Whether you are endowed with the right to use that name or not? You say, "Alright I will take the name." So, you start taking out the hood of the car. It is that foolish. It is that absurd. It is that stupid. Vidhya [true knowledge] is to know all the keys of your being, to know about yourself, and about others and to know how to work out these keys of this mechanism, the tantra [conscience expansion system] of Kundalini. But these horrible "tantrikas", they call themselves "tantrikas", they are thugs [cheats]. They are not tantrikas, they do not know the tantra. They know just opposite of tantra, how to insult the tantra by leading a very unholy life. Holiness is the petrol of this tantra. Is the light of this tantra. Without holiness you cannot work out anything about Kundalini and those who try their hands get such backfires and such shocks they describe it as Kundalini awakening. So useless and so thoroughly dangerous are these theories of tantrikas. Throw all these theories in the sea. Sea is the only thing can take engulf this poison. You are selling tantrism, you are selling poison, you are making money on selling poison, befalling your motherland, defaming your own Mother Kundalini. So, realise that it is the work of God. It is the ocean which is going to engulf the little drop and not the drop that is going to fall into the ocean. It is effortless. Sahaja: 'Sahaj' means 'effortless' but the word has come from Sah and Ja. 'Sahaj' means 'with germ is born', 'is born with you'. Even using this name, I have seen, I have seen people using this name 'sahaja', have used all asahaja methods. (Give them chairs if they want to sit. Come in the evening.) Now, what the Sahaja Yogis should do and what they should not do, I am still not very sure. I am not very [sure] just now I should tell about it because there are many who are not yet Sahaja Yogis here. So best thing is to give them Realization first. And then we will discuss this with the Sahaja Yogis, all right?

Public program, Mooladhara (English & Hindi). Delhi, India. 12 March 1979. In the morning, I was telling you that your attention which is towards Me, if I say that you take it inside you, that you cannot take. (I want to ask whether I should speak in Hindi or in English. Sahaja Yogis: Hindi. Shri Mataji: All of you understand English or Hindi? Sahaja Yogi: Hindi. Any language you can speak easily. Shri Mataji: So, I can speak in all the languages. In this birth I learnt English also. Sahaja Yogi: Hindi. Shri Mataji: In Hindi? Ok, will speak in Hindi.) For that, something should happen inside you. Some happening should be there. This I told you in the morning. Another very important thing is that only one or two people achieve atma and paramatma. Only selected ones have and common man is left untouched then there is no meaning of it. There will be no meaning of paramatma neither there will be any meaning of this world. There will be no meaning of this creation. Common man has to achieve it. If it is not of common man and only selected people get it then there will be same condition as of everyone else. Those who had it no one believed in them. And what happens even if we believe, tell Me? Just assume that someone is a king, so he is a king in his house, how does it matter to us. We did not get anything from him. We should also get something, then it will have meaning. That’s why this happening should be there. Not only this, it should happen in common man and in many people. It should happen in many people. I told you science has the same way. That you have come to know about electricity, whoever would have found it, if it is of no use to common man, then what is the meaning of that electricity? Today whatever Sahaja Yoga has achieved, sahaj has been for many years, from the time this earth was created, it was created sahaj only. Like there is a seed, and its sprout is made inside it, everything is inside it, all the maps are already present inside it, all the trees which are going to come out of it. In the same way, entire microscopic map of this universe is made from before only. And that already made is blooming since ages in sahaj way only. 'Sahaj' means: 'sah' means 'with you' and 'ja' means 'which has taken birth'. This thing has taken birth with you only. And like one or two flowers bloom on a tree initially, but when tree grows and spring comes then there are many flowers which gets converted into many fruits. In the same way this Sahaja Yoga which is in our hands today is standing in a new dimension that is for common man. It is not for uncommon people. So first, you should remove this from your brains that, "How will it happen to me? Whether I am worthy of it or not? This happening cannot happen inside us." If you have come with all such thoughts in your mind so remove these thoughts along with your shoes outside. This is destined to happen. This happening has to happen. If not today, it will definitely happen tomorrow. And I have to do it. And you deserve it also. Now till when I can wander in finding the best deserving? What great will happen if I find the best thing and do all the happening in it? So never think like this that this thing will never happen to us. First thing is that. If you have any nervousness regarding it then remove it first. Because I will work hard and this thing will happen. Second point is that you can get doubt that who is Mother to do it. And we had heard that Kundalini awakening is a very difficult process. You have to stand on your head and it takes thousands of years to happen. Everyone says like that only. Don’t know what all they have written about it. But this is not true with me. May be I am an expert of it, artist, know this work that’s why till today I have never seen that someone has asked for Realization and I have not given it. There are many kinds of problems, there are many permutations and combinations for it. Problems are also there as humans have put themselves on wrong ways. It is not necessary that he is a bad person. Person may be good but there can be mistakes in the dharma. They bow their heads at wrong places. They start believing wrong people, get in the circle. Like this man is very nice, very nice man, do not have any bad habit, he has fallen trap, have done some stupidity, what else. And just because evil powers are so much active in Kali Yuga, that remaining protected from it is difficult. These are all children. I have raised Kundalini of thousands of people and I can do yours also, there is no doubt in it. But when I can do it then there is no need for you to get angry with me because of this. In the morning I have told you that when I am artisan of this so I can do it [referring to some other object]. If you are artisan of this, if anyone says to me to repair it, I cannot do it. This never means I have fallen down or raised high. If you ask me to operate it, then I cannot operate it. You may teach it seventeen times but it is not my capability. In this field I am of no use. But the work I know, I know that work, I do it and I have done it and can happen in you too. So, you should be prepared for it before sitting. It has to happen, I deserve it and this happening will happen. And it is for common man. Just be prepared for it. If there is some problem, I will have to tell you, if something has to be avoided then it has to be told, or if you have avoided something which is wrong then I will have to tell you about that also. People get angry on every small thing. Humans are weird. If I say that you bring three thousand rupees for me then you will have no problem. You will give it immediately. But if I say that, "Son, this is a wrong work and leave it", then you will get upset and leave the premises immediately. I am mother and I will have to tell you. You will not get upset by it, first thing. Second thing is that you will have to set in it. Today you have come many people, some people had come in morning and have come again. You have to set in Sahaja Yoga. Because like there is a tree and it has a live process, it has to be set. Initially when the seed sprout, then everything is so soft. It has to be nurtured and taken care. Once the tree is set then no matter winds move, any problem comes, it does not affect the tree. Therefore, you need to know this that after getting you have to be set. Third thing is that many people have habit of listening to lecture. One person came, whom I think does guru shopping. I asked him that he goes to all the gurus, and have come to me in the same way holding his cloth bag, "Guru shopping is happening, let's buy something here also." But here things are different. You cannot do any shopping here. I don’t get satisfaction from lectures. Lectures are alright, in that also I am making your Kundalini dance and rise. Till you do not get Realization, I will not get satisfaction. And you people why are you still stuck in all these things, why don’t you get your Realization? In the end you have to achieve it, you have to know it. But Sahaja Yoga cannot be set due to the reason because people think they should give money to Mother or do something wayward, and you are free. All the gurus do it but you are not able to give money to Mother. You cannot win Mother till you are not realised and you are not set in it. These two things are there. People do not want it and think it is something of hard work. At the time of Realization, you do not need to do any hard work. Not that time. After Realization you need to set and should also set. The time has come. It is the call of the time. If you do not awaken yourself [your Self] in this call of the time then it will be very difficult later. There will be very big problem which I will tell you later. Second thing is that people do not set in Sahaja Yoga and after that they get all the diseases. Then they come to me and say, "Mother cure us." After coming in Sahaja Yoga people have closed the doors for the doctors. They don’t go to their house now. All the things can be corrected but there is one point that after knowing yourself you will have to get into yourself. You will have to be sam ras with yourself. And you will have to use all your powers. Sahaja Yoga is not for any person. Anyone who will be Mother’s son will get from the Mother. I am telling it first; you don’t mind it. Tukaram has said that [unclear] can enter in Sahaja Yoga. Now I will tell you something about Kundalini. Which I have… (Mother and a Sahaja Yogi speak in Marathi). I am here for around five days more. In five days, I will tell you everything about Kundalini. From tomorrow you bring paper and pencil so that you can note the things I am telling. First, you can see in your front this, the God Almighty has created an instrument inside us. Now this instrument is not dead like other things in the world but it is live instrument. And what you call as surati is only the Kundalini. After all we the human beings are moving on the support of something. Look at this eye so it is such a wonderful thing. Movement of the entire body is so efficient and beautiful. Creation of the entire earth has been done with such beauty. All these things, there is some or the other powers which are secret, those are secret because our gross attention cannot know it. You will have to become subtle for that. Having this subtleness is the aim of Sahaja Yoga. To get into this subtleness is aim of Sahaja Yoga. Like we say knowing yourself [Your Self], knowing the Spirit. Like I have told you in the morning that without knowing the Spirit your mystification cannot break. And you cannot know the God Almighty. Anything you know about it just the knowledge but not conception. Conception happens after knowing the Spirit. That’s why Spirit will be known first. After that all the things will be clear to you. Now this is Kundalini. I will explain the entire instrument and then also tell the Kundalini where it is. Firstly (Mother speaks in Marathi) in the left-hand side, you see from the right-hand side of the head power enters and flow through left hand side. Due to this power, we have our existence. It is a subtle power; it is not visible to us. It comes from our head, passes through our spine and comes till the bottom. It is not visible by eyes. But when Realization happens then I will be able to show you each and every power. The channel which bears this power we call it Ida Nadi or Chandra Nadi. This subtle power when manifests outside, when there is its expression or manifestation, then our left sympathetic nervous system is made by it. It is the power of our existence and when this power sleeps then we die. That’s why people also call this power as samvhar power. In Sanskrit, this power is called 'Mahakali Shakti'. There is no word in English because in English they have not found about these things that what are its undercurrents. Science has not able to find about undercurrents of sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system till now. So, you don’t have to be afraid if I call it Mahakali power. We are not English people. And second power inside us which passes through left hand side [in the head] and comes on the right-hand side it is called power of Mahasaraswati. By this power we do all the movements, physical activities and mental activities. In medicine people are not able to find difference between left and right sympathetic. But these two are two different things. Your emotional side is due to left, and mental and physical side is because of right. This difference is not found in medicine. Because of this people are not able to understand disease like diabetes. That I will tell that how imbalances come. And imbalance we can understand by understanding the difference of these two things that one channel is used more and other channel is used less. One channel is used less so because of that, diseases related to it happen and the one which is used more, then because of it, aggression occurs on it. Sense of imbalance comes only when you are able to see it's two sides. The channel in which the power of right-side flows is known as Pingala Nadi. People also call it 'Surya Nadi'. By this, sympathetic nervous system of right-side manifests. In the centre what you are looking, there is a channel, this channel is called 'Sushumna Nadi'. This channel is created inside us, it manifests parasympathetic nervous system in us. Human beings have reached till that only. Now whatever we have achieved in our evolution from amoeba stage to stage of human beings it is recorded in our central nervous system. Our central nervous system can be understood as a reflector of all this. It is in our conscious mind. Left-hand channel called Ida Nadi nurtures our subconscious mind. Or it operates it, like if you are listening something from me, you are listening from your conscious mind. But it goes in your subconscious. This work is done by your left-side channel. It hears anything and then immediately transfers it in the subconscious. And that is why what people call conditioning can be of two types. It can be good sanskars as well as bad sanskars. People like Freud have seen only bad sanskars. Their eyes are like the way of taking knowledge of such people is like it is a dark place and whatever is found in anybody’s hand, they take and sit, "It is the truth." It is called 'objecting'. Second way is that light has been switched on. You see everything. It is the way of Sahaja Yoga. Gaining knowledge by listening to someone or by science is a blind way. When searched by that method, Mr. Freud was already a blind. In my view he was a strange man by brain. People tell such dirty things about him. He held this thing and worked on it. And he said that whenever you stop someone from doing something it leads to conditioning, man is not free because of it. But he did not think that if you do not stop a person from doing things then his other channel will become powerful. By first channel superego is formed inside us. First channel which is Ida Nadi it forms superego inside us. And the second channel which is channel of ego, which is on right-hand side, it forms ego. It means if you have become a government servant then you will not talk to anybody nicely. Some people went to meet the Minister, there one person was jumping a lot. Villagers did not understand it so they asked what the matter is. He said, "You do not know I am the PA?" Villagers said, "You should have told us earlier that you are drunk; we would not have talked to you." (Mother laughs.) In this way ego rises. It is not understood by Mr Freud. When you cut the left side, it will rise from other side and sit in your head in the form of ego. Ego and superego are like that in our head. Now let me explain ego and superego to you. It is not due to psychology but by the grace of God. Psychology has also accepted ego and superego. For e.g. a small kid is drinking milk from mother and sitting in joy. Now mother picked him up to take on other side, it awakens the ego of the child, "Why she did it?", so mother scolds, "No son, you should not do like that", this awakens his superego. In this way balloons of ego and superego gets accumulated in our head. Ego is from front till here and superego is from back till here. Now when these two gets accumulated in our head then fontanel bone of our head gets calcified. It becomes strong and our head is filled. Now you have become you, you have become you and you have become you. Everything else is left. Everyone is separated, everyone has separate shells, like there are shells of egg, in the same way humans also have shells. These shells are made because inside it, humans should recognise their freedom inside it. Use it properly. After using it he understands what is right and what is not. Though it is not left completely on the man. Many big saints have taken incarnation in this world and explained you that it is dharma, "Don’t do this, do this." Are they all mad? We all made their caste and made them sit separately in corner. Just fold hands in front of them from morning till evening, that’s it. Listening to their talks in our life is waste for us. After all, why they said it? Why did they say this thing that, "Don’t do this, don’t do that. If you do this. this will happen, if you do that, that will happen." Because we are very intelligent, we will know about everything through science. What is science? It is a very small part of this knowledge. I will also tell you that with science you know such a small portion. Very little. Through Pingala Nadi you get five elements, through science you just know five elements, like earth has gravity. But why it is there, how it is there? You ask one question that why have we become humans from amoeba, what is the reason? If we are making something then human being will ask that, "Why are you making it?" After all it must be having some meaning. Why God has made us? Today a biology person came, he said, "I don’t have faith in God." I said, "I wonder about you that even a biology person doesn’t have trust then it is all done!" All others work with dead matter. At least who is in biology should think that God has made human beings with such beauty. And God has made in such small time that many big biologists are surprised that humans could not have been created by law of chance. At the max an amoeba could have been created. So, God have given us this responsibility, he has given us freedom, that we know in our freedom about what is good and bad. And when we accept God Almighty in our freedom then He gives us the blessing of knowing Him, the way this machine has been made and got ready. But till we do not attach it to mains, till then what is its meaning? A cord is made inside it only nad. In the same way cord made inside you is Kundalini. God has made it from before only, you don’t have to make it, you don’t have to put any efforts. Like there is a sprout, a premule, in the same way God has kept its sprout inside you. Kundalini is the same which is in the triangular bone. Now you see the gap in between, this gap is there in central nervous system of the human beings. This gap is, that the gap between the humans and the Spirit inside in the heart, it is the same gap. We have a Spirit inside us, It knows all about us, It is kshetr Heart. But it is not in our central nervous system, means it is not in our conscious mind. That means that we have not known It but It knows about us. That’s why this gap has been made because Kundalini has to rise from inside it. This has to happen. The happening about which I used to say you, Kundalini awakening, is the happening. It is not mechanical, don’t think it as dead. It is a live happening. Like a sprout comes out of a seed, in the same way it is a living process. Humans have not done any living work till date, have you done? Try taking out one sprout from one seed. Any tree died, you fixed a pole there, you became a big person. You are changing a dead, whether you make a chair out of it or make anything else. Then you started sitting on the chair, so chair sat on your head and now you cannot sit on floor. You see people sitting in the back are hanging, cannot sit on the floor. This is your condition. You have become a slave of it. What have been the advantage from this dead work? You discover about all the dead elements. Try finding about some live element, that how all this happens? How one sprout becomes a big tree, can you find about it? You see thousands of such things around you. Yes, you say it is like that, it is like that, which is visible. But how that happening happens? It is a very subtle happening. You are not able to see it. You also know that many sounds are of so high frequency that you cannot listen it. The state in which humans are made, in that state he cannot know about such subtle things. But he is made like that, that he knows it also. Only human beings can know about it. Only in humans this special brain has been made, which is triangular, in which all the happenings take place inside which ego and superego meets. In humans only Kundalini is sitting like this and this happening can happen in human beings only. Now you think that this universe was created, inside which earth was specially created, inside which plants and trees were made and then you were made. You were created in a special way and all such things were placed inside you. Only you have this right that you know about the God and carry His powers inside you. This is your aim and this is your fulfilment. Till you will not carry powers of God inside you, till then there is no meaning of you and there is no meaning of the entire universe. This happening has to happen, and today whatever is happening it is also historical thing, coming of all the people in this world, step by step is necessary. I will tell about it tomorrow that how in this world all the big incarnations whom we call big prophets, we call them Gurus, how they came in this world and how they worked in our awareness and where inside us they are placed. I will tell about it tomorrow. This Kundalini is in our triangular bone or not, people don’t know about this also and there are big books on Kundalini. Tell me what should I do? In all those big books they don't even know where is Kundalini. I can show you this, you can see your Kundalini vibrating with your own eyes. With your eyes, whether you get Realization or not, you can see the vibrations of the Kundalini, you can see its rising and falling by your eyes. Like you are breathing in the same way you can see breathing of Kundalini. You will see triangular bone shaking, in that you will see Kundalini awakening, you see by yourself with your eyes. I have made a film also on it. When Kundalini rises then it starts vibrating. Some people are such nice people that Kundalini rises in a moment. It is not visible in them. Who have a catch in Nabhi Chakra, the Nabhi Chakra present here, when it gets catches the Kundalini starts vibrating. Not only that you will also see that when Kundalini rises. Suppose you have liver trouble, then you will see it is going towards liver and vibrating. You will be able to see with your eyes. If you use stethoscope then you will be able to see it where it is rising. In the end it reaches here, on which Kabir has said, "Shunya shikhar par anhad baje", means its pulsation is felt. 'Anahad' means 'it pulsates'. When it gets open then the pulsation stops and the All-Pervading Power [Chaitanya] which is very subtle and you do not know it, by which each and every leaf, every flower, every fruit and every human being is completely taken care of, guided and sheltered, you become one with that Power. Till now you have not known it, you don’t have any information about it. You have only read about it, till now you have not felt it. You should feel it, without feeling, everything is waste. You have started doubting since the beginning. What is there to doubt in it? Have people not written about it in the past? Everyone has told. But if the time has come to receive it then everyone should get it. But everyone will take it, this also I know. There are many reasons for it, many reasons are there. Now all these centres, the subtle centres reside inside us. These centres are one by one stages of our evolution. First, when we were carbon so this is the first centre of Shri Ganeshaji. After that when Brahmadeva made the entire universe, so the second centre is of Bramahadeva, that is Swadishthan Centre, it is also inside us because of it only we can make the universe. Because of this centre only we think and plan. After that there is Nabhi Centre, For Nabhi Centre you know that whatever has happened in the evolution from fish to human being, everything has happened here. For helping in it many big Gurus have incarnated inside us, whom you know from Socrates to Confucius, Moses, Raja Janaka, Mohammed Sahib, Nanak Sahib, Kabir, all these big Gurus, all of them have worked hard on it and made dharma of human beings. It is the dharma of human beings inside, in the stomach, not outside. Like dharma of this gold is that it does not get spoiled, it is untarnishable. In the same way, 10 dharmas of human beings are formed inside the stomach. If the man gets (unclear word: blockages-?) from these ten dharmas, then his Kundalini will not rise. We have to rectify these dharmas again. Kundalini Herself has to feed them, nourish them. Only after that, Kundalini rises, otherwise it gets sucked there. And this work is done by Kundalini, you don’t have to do anything, it is effortless. What effort have you put in getting born? Or what effort has been put by seed in growing tree from it? What books it has read? In the same way as it is a live happening then what effort do you have to put? Effortless: 'sahaja' means 'effortless'. And by the word 'sahaja' it means 'with you it is born'. This right to unify is born with you. Since you are a human being, it is your birth right that you achieve this yoga or unification and know the God Almighty. This is you right. But you yourself don’t want to use your rights. Then what will God do? Now these subtle centres, if you are able to awaken these centres, then your health will improve automatically. There is one disease, what it is called, it is called multiple sclerosis, doctors say it cannot be treated but I say it can be treated with Sahaj Yoga. It can be cured 100 percent. In this I see three centres which get catches: Mooladhara Chakra, Nabhi Chakra and Agnya Chakra. If we cure these three centres then it can get cured. When you try to search something from outside, suppose there is a tree, some problem has come in it, even if you do some treatment from outside also it may get cured to some extent, but if you know how to cure it from its roots then the tree will get cured. In the same way, disease of cancer. You get cancer due to over usage of sympathetic nervous system. Either you do it emotionally or due to some other reasons, sometimes there is some irritation or some infection, in any ways these sympathetic emergencies are there on you. If there is emergency, is continuously on you. Then what happened in emergency here, same condition happens to human beings, in that time parasympathetic is constantly trying to cure your cancer. You get cancer daily. That means you use sympathetic nervous system daily and parasympathetic goes on feeding it to balance it. It is in the centre Sushumna Nadi. Like there is a left side or right side, there is right side sympathetic or left side sympathetic, both are working all the time. When they break, the Deities inside it also sleeps. Then starts the malignancy, one cell starts expanding, from that another cell also start expanding. It is not related to the entire body; single unit starts expanding arbitrarily. It forms cancer. If we awaken the Deities inside it then the cancer can be cured. Now there are Deities or not? People will say, how can we trust in Deities? After Sahaja Yoga, you yourself will see that after taking their names things get cured and you will realise, they are there. This will happen after Sahaja Yoga. But mentally also we can explain. Like adrenaline and acetylcholine are two chemicals, two absolutely dead chemicals, but they have a weird behaviour in our body. Nobody is able to understand. They say that we cannot explain their mode of action. All the scientists are genuine, not fraud but they have their own limitations and according to that they tell that at some places these chemicals augment and at some other places it relaxes. They are not able to understand. Same thing is done by the Deities. If some foreign matter enters our body, then they try to throw it out of the body. But if there is a foetus in the womb then it is not thrown out but it is taken care, nurtured and at proper time, exact time it is thrown out of the body. It is the work of Shri Ganesha. It is done by Ganeshaji. Ganesha Tattwa does this work inside us. Now, doctors will not believe in Ganeshaji but keep his photo in their house. There will be photo of Nanakji, Ganeshaji and all. But Ganeshaji is present inside us on our Mooladhara Chakra. This they will not believe. Now what shall I do? You tell Me. How to teach? Now, the girl that came here with multiple sclerosis, I told her to say the mantra of Shri Ganesha in front of Me, she got cured. But if you say it will not happen because you should have the right to awaken Shri Ganeshaji. But if you get your Realization, you will also get the right. If you are citizen of Delhi then whatever rights are there in Delhi you will get it. If you become the citizen of God’s Kingdom then what Ganeshaji and what Hanumanji? All will be in front of you with their hands folded asking, "Tell my child what has to be done?" Now is this true or not you should test it and see. First, you come in the Kingdom of God. Otherwise, if you are not its citizen, you are of Government of India then live in its efficiency. I am saying you come in Government of God, then I will tell you the things. You see your powers will reach where. Then no disease will be able to touch you, leave aside cancer. You will be able to cure cancer of other people. But without getting Realization we cannot talk about anything; point is that first you should get your Realization. Only then you will be able to go in subtle. When you go in subtle you yourself will be able to control it. Your yourself will be able to control that which controls the entire universe. It is an All-Pervading Power and the moment you come in it, in your attention, it starts flowing from your central nervous system. The vibrations of your heart start flowing from your central nervous system and you feel cool vibration in your hands. We call it 'cool breeze'. When it starts flowing through you, means the Spirit is flowing through you, then whatever you do, you are doing in the Kingdom of God. This happening is necessary for man. Then I don’t need to say that you leave alcohol or leave cigarette. You have to leave everything and you leave it on your own. Because when there is joy inside then who will be interested in joys of outside? All of these people sitting here in the backside were drunkards, firm drunkards. What drunkards, they use to take so much drugs that can do anything to you. They have left everything and sitting in joy. It happens automatic. Now there is no need to say, "When you start enjoying from inside then you don’t need anything from outside." I don’t need to say anything. There is a small thing that if you take an animal from any dirt, filth, mud anything, he does not get smell. But if you take a human being, he gets smell. In the same way when you go in Kingdom of God your awareness becomes such that you are not able to tolerate it. You will get burning in your hands. You will not like all this. These things will be left on its own. And that's why all the habits, everything falls off on its own. I will not have to say anything in that. Everything will happen on its own. Today in front of you, I have given an introduction to Sahaja Yoga. Tomorrow, I will tell you about its deep details. I have told you that whatever subtle, subtlest its knowledge is, all of it I am ready to tell you. Entire knowledge is this, everything else is impure knowledge. Things will work out just by the movement of your fingers, but first you should know yourself. You are not knowing your powers and just sitting keeping hands on hands. Till now, your motor has not started. First start the motor then you will come to know. Before that only you are doing other work. It is a small thing. (Mother talking to some yogi, "How are you child? Please sit down.") So, the first thing is that this happening should happen, second thing is to establish in it, third thing is to get the entire knowledge, which chakra is where, how to move that chakra, how to cure that chakra. There are only three steps of Sahaja Yoga. If this happens then you become a Sahaja Yogi and you start doing miracles sitting here only for you and for others also. You start enjoying because the power will be flowing from you all the time. Do you understand it? Everybody understood it or not? Or you still have questions in your mind? If you don’t have any questions then after this we will go into meditation. I am coming in two minutes till then you people relax a bit, take off this tie as you are getting catches on Vishuddhi Chakra. Just become light and sit. I am not any Guru, I am your Mother. You have a place on my head. Just relax your body. (Still Hindi translation.) What should I say? Just tell me really, I don’t know what to say. (Mother laughs.) I keep on saying everything. Sir you tell me what do you want to know. Yogi: Tell us Do’s and Don’ts. Shri Mataji: Ha, Do’s and Don’ts. Actually, today here more Sahaja Yogis are sitting who have already attained Realization and those who are not realised are less. So, they are asking me to tell what realised people should do. First thing is that Sahaja Yoga is not a lecture or a brain wash. It is nothing like these things. It is actualisation which actually happens to you. It has to be actualisation because if your attention is outside and if I say you take your attention inside then you cannot take it. If I say take your attention towards your Spirit then you will ask where the Spirit is and where I have to take the attention. It is possible only by one means when something happens inside you and due to that actualisation attention will go inside. [Shri Mataji speaks in English] I am telling them about the way Sahaj Yoga is. It is not the talking about it or giving a lecture or a brain wash that is going to help but the actualisation, the happening that is going to take place within you. Now why, people ask me, why this Kundalini was kept like that there and then it had to rise and that people had to seek it? First of all, as I said that Kundalini is the residual consciousness within us is recording all that we have done before in many lives and today whatever we are doing. It is the subconscious which is like a tape recorder, the complete micro subconscious you can call it, which is placed in the triangular bone. Now, why is happening is necessary because the attention that is outside of human beings have to be pulled inside. Now how is it possible to attract the attention inside? Say something happens, say a tree falls down, you are listening to me with complete concentration but a tree falls down you all will pay attention to that because that’s a happening which attracts your attention. That’s why Kundalini rising was necessary. If Kundalini was just placed in a way like all our nerves are there would have been no happening. To create the happening within us the Kundalini was kept in such a fashion in three and a half coils. So, the happening takes place and automatically our attention is attracted inside. Because we know Sahaja Yoga is a spontaneous happening. It happens spontaneously. You cannot take your attention inside whatever you may try. You think you are deluded in thinking that you are doing something about your evolution. So, we come to the point, "What should we do after Realization?" Before Realization you don’t have to do anything whatsoever because you cannot do. It is something like this machine has not yet started or your car has not yet started. When the car has not started then how will you move about? What is the use of moving the steering? What’s the use of moving the brake or clutches? It makes no difference. So, doing anything before Self-Realization has no meaning. Has no meaning. (Now don’t pay attention to every small happening anybody coming in and all that. That’s too much. Pay attention.) (Shri Mataji laughs.) So, before Realization people think, "We should do some sort of a jap and tap" and all these things. This is all artificial. When your machine has not yet started why should you do it? Without knowing your Atma or Spirit you cannot know anything about God and whatever you try to do could be absolutely wrong because you haven’t got the eyes to see. That’s why all these people who play into the religions have landed in difficulties. Once you are connected with God, you enter into the Kingdom of God, then you are looked after and then you have a right to use your powers as a citizen of that kingdom. But before that if you try to do any such efforts it is all futile. Could be like a telephone being used which is not connected to the mains. It is like a toy. It’s a dummy. Till you are Realised you are a dummy. You must get your Realization. And for that God has already made arrangements in you. Why are you worried? As I have said again and again you have become a human being from amoeba without doing any effort. Who has done it? A seed sprouts (unclear word), do you stand on your head for a seed or does the seed stand on its head? This is a living process! Your whole evolution is a living process, which has to be worked out by God Almighty Himself. You cannot do it. Once you know that you cannot do it, then you will realise that all the efforts you have put in might have even spoiled your Kundalini’s channel. It has gone to such absurd limit of deliberations sometimes I do feel like laughing but mostly I weep. Even like Raja Yoga and all that people talk of. Actually, these things happen within yourself to the machinery when it starts moving. You see it would be something like a car when it moves the wheel also move, automatically. You don’t have to move the wheel. But before starting the car if you start moving the wheel will the car move? It is something like that you have done. Artificially you have moved the wheels, you have moved everything, taken so much labour. And if you have to move the wheel, imagine without starting the car, how much effort you have to put in. You are exhausting your energy, you are spoiling the wheel and you do not even budge out an inch. It is as simple as that. But when I say it has to be effortless, people say, "What about purusharth [effort]? Is all egoistical. Purusharth [effort] is in maintaining yourself alright." Like Kabir has said, "Das kabeer jatan se odhi, jaisi ki taisi rakh di ni chadariya!." That you do not do. You will go to a guru, pay him money, run after him and do all kinds of thing for a guru. But you will not improve your moral life. You will drink, you will have woman, you will have all kinds of self-destroying elements working and here you will be going to guru. You must have your dharmas intact. This is the effort [purusharth] is to keep yourself away from all kinds of non sensical temptations which come to you and use your freedom to maintain your freedom from this kind of non sensical enslavement. This is all enslavement. This is not freedom. To enjoy your lust and greed is not freedom. The freedom lies in achieving the power to be above all these things, above all temptations. Every moment we are enslaving ourselves. There we do not put in any efforts. On the contrary we make all efforts to see that we are completely destroyed before we come to Sahaja Yoga. So now here Mataji is sitting and breaking her hands and making her feet. Children get Realization in no time. They enjoy the vibrations without any difficulty. They have no problems. They are so quiet. They are enjoying the atmosphere while you have complicated yourself for nothing at all. We read all kinds of non sensical things. By reading do you think you will reach God? What university did Christ attend? How many books did He read? What university any one of the saints who were regarded as a real saint have attended? Gyaneshwara the great person from the south, Adi Shankaracharya from Kerala, anyone of them, did they attend any university? They never required it. Because knowledge is within. Whatever is with the out is non knowledge avidhya. Even Surdas says after writing Sursagar: “Surdas ki sabhi avidhya dur karo nandlal.” What is the vidhya [true knowledge]? What is the vidhya of a motor car? To know what switch works what instrument, to know how to control the car, to know how to drive it, that is the vidhya of car. In the same way the vidhya is to know what is the key for different chakras, how to keep your own chakras alright, how to keep the chakras of others alright. How by these things you get the movement into your own being. (What’s the matter? I don’t think I need it. It’s quite a lot.) There is no need at all for you to know the key before starting the car. After starting the car, you can see for yourself. If this works, you can put on the switch, does the light comes in? If you are not able to start the car, what’s the use of knowing the keys also? But surprisingly nobody knows the keys. They are so silly if I tell you. You will be amazed to know how to work it out. Now you get a car which is stranded. It’s not moving at all. You are a novice person; you have never seen a car. Alright, so the car comes to you. So, they say, "Alright you take one name, Rama’s name." You don’t know where does this deity lie. Whether you have to put on that one or not? Whether you have to use that name or not? Whether you are endowed with the right to use that name or not? You say, "Alright I will take the name." So, you start taking out the hood of the car. It is that foolish. It is that absurd. It is that stupid. Vidhya [true knowledge] is to know all the keys of your being, to know about yourself, and about others and to know how to work out these keys of this mechanism, the tantra [conscience expansion system] of Kundalini. But these horrible "tantrikas", they call themselves "tantrikas", they are thugs [cheats]. They are not tantrikas, they do not know the tantra. They know just opposite of tantra, how to insult the tantra by leading a very unholy life. Holiness is the petrol of this tantra. Is the light of this tantra. Without holiness you cannot work out anything about Kundalini and those who try their hands get such backfires and such shocks they describe it as Kundalini awakening. So useless and so thoroughly dangerous are these theories of tantrikas. Throw all these theories in the sea. Sea is the only thing can take engulf this poison. You are selling tantrism, you are selling poison, you are making money on selling poison, befalling your motherland, defaming your own Mother Kundalini. So, realise that it is the work of God. It is the ocean which is going to engulf the little drop and not the drop that is going to fall into the ocean. It is effortless. Sahaja: 'Sahaj' means 'effortless' but the word has come from Sah and Ja. 'Sahaj' means 'with germ is born', 'is born with you'. Even using this name, I have seen, I have seen people using this name 'sahaja', have used all asahaja methods. (Give them chairs if they want to sit. Come in the evening.) Now, what the Sahaja Yogis should do and what they should not do, I am still not very sure. I am not very [sure] just now I should tell about it because there are many who are not yet Sahaja Yogis here. So best thing is to give them Realization first. And then we will discuss this with the Sahaja Yogis, all right?

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Seminar (Hindi-English) - New Delhi - 13 March 1979. HH Shri Mataji, Seminar, Delhi 13 March 1979, Section in English. (11’46”) - Q&A Subjects: Concentration on a plexus, seeing lights, astral bodies, benefits in the professional field and practice of Hatha Yoga? (Abstract: English Section.) Q: Mother, do we have to concentrate on particular plexus? A: No. Nothing. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. In Sahaja Yog it is a spontaneous thing, you don’t have to do anything at all. It is a spontaneous process. The Kundalini itself rises and tells the person who’s giving you Realisation that this is the problem with the gentleman. So, the gentleman who is seeking his sadaka [accomplishment] feels nothing about it but the other fellow, the one who is giving Realisation feels. So, he can manoeuvre because he’s a Realised soul, the vibrations are flowing, he can manoeuvre, he can give a bandhan, he can give nourishment to that chakra and, can make that chakra all right and raise the Kundalini higher. It is the one who is Realised can do it. After Realisation now many people have taught that you much concentrate here [Agnya Chakra]. It’s a wrong idea. Absolutely wrong, I don’t know who has taught this because if you concentrate here, this is just a window, which should not be, at all, opened. You should go straight-forward, take your Chitta (Attention) upward through the Sahasrara. Or if you concentrate here your attention will go out of the window and that is what happens to people who try to concentrate there, they start seeing visions. Yesterday only there was one gentleman who was saying, (brief dialogue in Hindi), so what happens, you start seeing visions, then you move to the left and right. You go to the Supra-conscious side then you will see lights, this/that. If you go to the left-hand side you will see all the previous lives of, say, Shri Rama, Sita, this/that, you see the history. You have passed through that so you see all that. You have to be in the present and for that you have to come out of your Sahasrara. So all this is wrong. Q: Re: about seeing Lights. A: Even if you see that, that is, you are not seeing yours because you do not see. If it is your own you don’t see it. You see, if you are sitting inside you don’t see it from outside. If you are seeing something that means you are outside. When you are inside you do not see, you must be seeing somebody else’s. Not yours own. Q: Re: seeing with closed eyes. A: With the closed eyes also you go into the Collective on the Supra-conscious and you can see. You’ll be amazed, people who take LSD, they cannot see Me, they just see light. They do not see Me. They just see light. Q: Re: Astral bodies. A: That is absolutely bhoot. Astral body is a bhoot-vidya [dead-spirits knowledge). (Interjection.) That too is bhoot. Absolutely bhoot. This, the levitation is bhoot. All this is bhoot. Are dead spirits. Astral body is, it’s a very funny thing, why can’t you understand? It’s very simple: how God is interested in making you astral? But people are really mad after it. I’ll tell you, from America, three big scientists came to see Me and they said, "You make us fly in the air." (Laughter.) They all know about it. So, I told them, "Why do you want to fly in the air, you are already flying up to the moon?" But they said, "No, no, we want to do it." And when I asked them that, "Why are you so insistent, you’ll become a slave of those bhoots and things", so they said, "No, no, Mother, still you must do it for us." I said, "Why?" "Because" they said, "Russia is doing like this so we should also do it." So, these are mad people. If they are doing at national level, what am I to do? They are all going into the bhoot-vidya. They should not! That’s a very funny thing you know! And, who told them to come to Me is the man who suffered from this disease and I cured him. Imagine that fellow should tell him I should give some bhoots! It’s a very wrong thing. Levitation, all this is bhoot-vidya. You see, removing matter from here and there is not God’s concern at all! He only moves their Kundalini, that’s all! Q: Mother, does it help you in your particular professional field in the world? Or does it mean that any person who reaches a certain state (Hindi) eventually becomes an ascetic or something like that? A: No, no, no. Not at all! No, no, no, no, no. No way. Asceticism is not for Sahaja Yog. You should lead a very normal married life. Absolutely nothing like that. Now in professional field or say in material field or whatever you call, it is so important at this stage because your priorities are different, you see but they will change gradually. But when these priorities are also there, I can tell you, definitely materially also you improve because – yoga-shema-mahamyam – that promise is fulfilled. (Interjection.) Yoga-shema-mahamyam: 'yoga' means 'the meeting with God'. Once it happens that union, that plus after that is ‘shema’ is 'wellbeing'. "Both I’ll look after" says Shri Krishna in Gita. All right? But first should be 'yoga'. Now questions are over? Q: How can you recognise that a person is …? A: Very easy because you can see it from the vibrations. You are a Realised soul, now you have got vibrations, very easy you can make out a person from his vibrations. If a person is a bad soul, you won’t even stand near that person. You’ll feel that ants are coming. Some people are like scorpion. You stand near them you feel there’s scorpion coming out of them. So, you will make it out, not difficult, after Realisation. Q: We in India being religious people have some concept of Kundalini. How do these in medical sciences have this concept? Do they recognise it? A: Medical … [medical science]? They have no eyes bhe-ta [child] to see, they have to go into meditation. I have told these people, "You go and talk to these doctors." I have given three lectures there. They want me to give another lecture. I’m fed up of giving lectures. I’m saying, "Why don’t you take your Realisation and understand it?" Now we have two doctors here who have come. One is a Russian and another is an Indian who is practicing in London. And they say that, "After knowing these subtle centres and all that then we know that what are the, what these centres are managing are the gross things. Once you know how to handle the centres you can manage whole thing." But they don’t want to listen to Me. Only one condition, of course I put, that when you learn Sahaja Yoga you cannot charge money for curing. That maybe the thing! I don’t know. It has absolute relevance with your medical sciences. Science is nothing but a little part of what I’m telling you. Q: Re: practice of Hatha Yoga and even as a mere system of exercise after Realisation? A: Excercises are no good of this kind. You see, you must understand the science of Hatha Yog. Hatha Yog is Ashtanga Yoga, which is to be practiced before marriage in a forest with a guru. Gradually, you see, you are cleansed and the guru is a Realised soul who looks after you and gradually he does all that. Now, I would say Yoga is only Sahaja Yoga. The rest of them are preparations. Yoga is the way where you meet, is the Maha Yog. Where you ‘meet’ is the Yoga. The rest of it is, supposing you have to come to Delhi, till you have not reached Delhi, one mile away, you are not in Delhi. So, you can come by a bullock cart, you can come by a jet plane or you can come by such a thing that just shoots off! If somebody can do that, that is better than to do this slow movement. In Hatha Yoga, Ashtanga Yoga is there and gradually you see, they are all human beings, and they work it out in such a manner that every chakra is cleansed gradually and a person is put to it. And, he has to lead an ascetic life before marriage, he has to do all these things and is a very difficult thing. But if you say that asanas [postures], I’m definitely against it because you must know what asana is to be done. We also use asanas in Sahaja Yoga but only whatever is required. Now if your throat is not all right why should you do stomach exercise? Means your throat will be bad in any case and stomach will also go out. Hatha Yoga, Hatha yogis are rather difficult for Realisation, I must say. Those who do these exercises are rather difficult. They are! I mean, that’s a fact! Because all these things are not to be done, like Raja Yog also not to be done. It is Spontaneous Happening. Everything works out inside. As I told you that a car which has not yet started, no use moving it’s wheels or anything. Sahaja Yoga encompasses all these yogas because by this your Spontaneous Happening takes place. Now, it could be that I cleanse you completely, sit down for hours together, cleanse you first and then raise the Kundalini. Another way would be just to raise your Kundalini, enlighten you and then you cleanse yourself. But the way people are doing Hatha Yoga, I’m against, absolutely because they just do not know what to do. They do all the chakras – only thing you can do is thin down at the most with that. Other things, I do not know what is the advantage because you get, I’ve seen Hatha Yogis are always having heart and they become very dry people. For somebody who’s a Hatha Yoga, I’m sure his wife must be having a terrible time with him. He becomes a very dry person, very hot tempered. We have had people like that, you know them, Vishwamitra got after Harish Chandra; Durvasa; they just give you sharp eyes. These people are not going to do any kalyan. They have no love, nothing, very dry because you go to the right-hand side. Phure-rama-skaras – another thing. If you overdo it, you can become a very dry person. Extremely dry! I mean such bores they are! You just can’t talk to them for more than five minutes. And if you sit there for the sixth minute, they may hit you hard. (Laughter.) Mostly they have divorces and things like that. Very dry! They never smile. They do not believe in smiling, laughing. They are not open hearted. These are the dhoshas [expression of unique blends of physical, emotional, and mental characteristics]. but emotional side we do not see. We just want health. What’s the use of having so called health, which is full of such a mind, which doesn’t even smile, doesn’t have any reception for others. Horrible personality. I mean, I have seen so many "panamas" [no translation] who come to Me and say, "Mother give us peace." Such people can be horrid. Absolutely horrid people! (End of English section.)

Seminar (Hindi-English) - New Delhi - 13 March 1979. HH Shri Mataji, Seminar, Delhi 13 March 1979, Section in English. (11’46”) - Q&A Subjects: Concentration on a plexus, seeing lights, astral bodies, benefits in the professional field and practice of Hatha Yoga? (Abstract: English Section.) Q: Mother, do we have to concentrate on particular plexus? A: No. Nothing. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. In Sahaja Yog it is a spontaneous thing, you don’t have to do anything at all. It is a spontaneous process. The Kundalini itself rises and tells the person who’s giving you Realisation that this is the problem with the gentleman. So, the gentleman who is seeking his sadaka [accomplishment] feels nothing about it but the other fellow, the one who is giving Realisation feels. So, he can manoeuvre because he’s a Realised soul, the vibrations are flowing, he can manoeuvre, he can give a bandhan, he can give nourishment to that chakra and, can make that chakra all right and raise the Kundalini higher. It is the one who is Realised can do it. After Realisation now many people have taught that you much concentrate here [Agnya Chakra]. It’s a wrong idea. Absolutely wrong, I don’t know who has taught this because if you concentrate here, this is just a window, which should not be, at all, opened. You should go straight-forward, take your Chitta (Attention) upward through the Sahasrara. Or if you concentrate here your attention will go out of the window and that is what happens to people who try to concentrate there, they start seeing visions. Yesterday only there was one gentleman who was saying, (brief dialogue in Hindi), so what happens, you start seeing visions, then you move to the left and right. You go to the Supra-conscious side then you will see lights, this/that. If you go to the left-hand side you will see all the previous lives of, say, Shri Rama, Sita, this/that, you see the history. You have passed through that so you see all that. You have to be in the present and for that you have to come out of your Sahasrara. So all this is wrong. Q: Re: about seeing Lights. A: Even if you see that, that is, you are not seeing yours because you do not see. If it is your own you don’t see it. You see, if you are sitting inside you don’t see it from outside. If you are seeing something that means you are outside. When you are inside you do not see, you must be seeing somebody else’s. Not yours own. Q: Re: seeing with closed eyes. A: With the closed eyes also you go into the Collective on the Supra-conscious and you can see. You’ll be amazed, people who take LSD, they cannot see Me, they just see light. They do not see Me. They just see light. Q: Re: Astral bodies. A: That is absolutely bhoot. Astral body is a bhoot-vidya [dead-spirits knowledge). (Interjection.) That too is bhoot. Absolutely bhoot. This, the levitation is bhoot. All this is bhoot. Are dead spirits. Astral body is, it’s a very funny thing, why can’t you understand? It’s very simple: how God is interested in making you astral? But people are really mad after it. I’ll tell you, from America, three big scientists came to see Me and they said, "You make us fly in the air." (Laughter.) They all know about it. So, I told them, "Why do you want to fly in the air, you are already flying up to the moon?" But they said, "No, no, we want to do it." And when I asked them that, "Why are you so insistent, you’ll become a slave of those bhoots and things", so they said, "No, no, Mother, still you must do it for us." I said, "Why?" "Because" they said, "Russia is doing like this so we should also do it." So, these are mad people. If they are doing at national level, what am I to do? They are all going into the bhoot-vidya. They should not! That’s a very funny thing you know! And, who told them to come to Me is the man who suffered from this disease and I cured him. Imagine that fellow should tell him I should give some bhoots! It’s a very wrong thing. Levitation, all this is bhoot-vidya. You see, removing matter from here and there is not God’s concern at all! He only moves their Kundalini, that’s all! Q: Mother, does it help you in your particular professional field in the world? Or does it mean that any person who reaches a certain state (Hindi) eventually becomes an ascetic or something like that? A: No, no, no. Not at all! No, no, no, no, no. No way. Asceticism is not for Sahaja Yog. You should lead a very normal married life. Absolutely nothing like that. Now in professional field or say in material field or whatever you call, it is so important at this stage because your priorities are different, you see but they will change gradually. But when these priorities are also there, I can tell you, definitely materially also you improve because – yoga-shema-mahamyam – that promise is fulfilled. (Interjection.) Yoga-shema-mahamyam: 'yoga' means 'the meeting with God'. Once it happens that union, that plus after that is ‘shema’ is 'wellbeing'. "Both I’ll look after" says Shri Krishna in Gita. All right? But first should be 'yoga'. Now questions are over? Q: How can you recognise that a person is …? A: Very easy because you can see it from the vibrations. You are a Realised soul, now you have got vibrations, very easy you can make out a person from his vibrations. If a person is a bad soul, you won’t even stand near that person. You’ll feel that ants are coming. Some people are like scorpion. You stand near them you feel there’s scorpion coming out of them. So, you will make it out, not difficult, after Realisation. Q: We in India being religious people have some concept of Kundalini. How do these in medical sciences have this concept? Do they recognise it? A: Medical … [medical science]? They have no eyes bhe-ta [child] to see, they have to go into meditation. I have told these people, "You go and talk to these doctors." I have given three lectures there. They want me to give another lecture. I’m fed up of giving lectures. I’m saying, "Why don’t you take your Realisation and understand it?" Now we have two doctors here who have come. One is a Russian and another is an Indian who is practicing in London. And they say that, "After knowing these subtle centres and all that then we know that what are the, what these centres are managing are the gross things. Once you know how to handle the centres you can manage whole thing." But they don’t want to listen to Me. Only one condition, of course I put, that when you learn Sahaja Yoga you cannot charge money for curing. That maybe the thing! I don’t know. It has absolute relevance with your medical sciences. Science is nothing but a little part of what I’m telling you. Q: Re: practice of Hatha Yoga and even as a mere system of exercise after Realisation? A: Excercises are no good of this kind. You see, you must understand the science of Hatha Yog. Hatha Yog is Ashtanga Yoga, which is to be practiced before marriage in a forest with a guru. Gradually, you see, you are cleansed and the guru is a Realised soul who looks after you and gradually he does all that. Now, I would say Yoga is only Sahaja Yoga. The rest of them are preparations. Yoga is the way where you meet, is the Maha Yog. Where you ‘meet’ is the Yoga. The rest of it is, supposing you have to come to Delhi, till you have not reached Delhi, one mile away, you are not in Delhi. So, you can come by a bullock cart, you can come by a jet plane or you can come by such a thing that just shoots off! If somebody can do that, that is better than to do this slow movement. In Hatha Yoga, Ashtanga Yoga is there and gradually you see, they are all human beings, and they work it out in such a manner that every chakra is cleansed gradually and a person is put to it. And, he has to lead an ascetic life before marriage, he has to do all these things and is a very difficult thing. But if you say that asanas [postures], I’m definitely against it because you must know what asana is to be done. We also use asanas in Sahaja Yoga but only whatever is required. Now if your throat is not all right why should you do stomach exercise? Means your throat will be bad in any case and stomach will also go out. Hatha Yoga, Hatha yogis are rather difficult for Realisation, I must say. Those who do these exercises are rather difficult. They are! I mean, that’s a fact! Because all these things are not to be done, like Raja Yog also not to be done. It is Spontaneous Happening. Everything works out inside. As I told you that a car which has not yet started, no use moving it’s wheels or anything. Sahaja Yoga encompasses all these yogas because by this your Spontaneous Happening takes place. Now, it could be that I cleanse you completely, sit down for hours together, cleanse you first and then raise the Kundalini. Another way would be just to raise your Kundalini, enlighten you and then you cleanse yourself. But the way people are doing Hatha Yoga, I’m against, absolutely because they just do not know what to do. They do all the chakras – only thing you can do is thin down at the most with that. Other things, I do not know what is the advantage because you get, I’ve seen Hatha Yogis are always having heart and they become very dry people. For somebody who’s a Hatha Yoga, I’m sure his wife must be having a terrible time with him. He becomes a very dry person, very hot tempered. We have had people like that, you know them, Vishwamitra got after Harish Chandra; Durvasa; they just give you sharp eyes. These people are not going to do any kalyan. They have no love, nothing, very dry because you go to the right-hand side. Phure-rama-skaras – another thing. If you overdo it, you can become a very dry person. Extremely dry! I mean such bores they are! You just can’t talk to them for more than five minutes. And if you sit there for the sixth minute, they may hit you hard. (Laughter.) Mostly they have divorces and things like that. Very dry! They never smile. They do not believe in smiling, laughing. They are not open hearted. These are the dhoshas [expression of unique blends of physical, emotional, and mental characteristics]. but emotional side we do not see. We just want health. What’s the use of having so called health, which is full of such a mind, which doesn’t even smile, doesn’t have any reception for others. Horrible personality. I mean, I have seen so many "panamas" [no translation] who come to Me and say, "Mother give us peace." Such people can be horrid. Absolutely horrid people! (End of English section.)

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"Shri Mataji commenting on Early SY Experiences". Delhi, India. 14 March 1979. Shri Mataji: That is it. Whatever you believe into, you just turn it down that time. That’s all! Because I am being the Ego and the Mahat-Ahankara. Just say that and you will get the vibrations. Say that, "You are the Mahat-Ahankara" and you will get the vibrations. I am! No doubt. I don’t say that but I am. Yogi: Lalitasahastranama…(unclear) Shri Mataji: See, from where do you get your Ahankara [Ego]? I am the one who does. So, I am Ahankara. But the difference between you and me is only this that you don’t do anything and you think you are doing and here I am doing everything and I am not bothered. (Yogis laughing and clapping.) Someone from the crowd: As it is said in the Gita, Mother! Krishna says, "I am everything." Shri Mataji: Yes, that is true. Very True. So, let’s out. Who else? Yogis: (Unclear.) Alex! Shri Mataji: Alex. Yes, I remember (while laughing Mother says so). Alright! (Pause.) And like that you see, people I have seen, even the complete flow of light, moving up like that, but they have not felt the realization. They saw it coming up to the Agnya and then the whole thing dropped back. They saw it. So, they saw the Kundalini how it was helping. The Adi kundalini was helping, your Kundalini. They saw it. Even this light rising, is because your attention is still outside, you see, so you go on, that flickering of the eye starts. Then I tell you to fix up your eyes to my vision, you fix it up to my figure and my face. What happens is the Chaitanya pushes you through your eyes into the centre, you see, so that you see me as I am. But the eyes are controlled by the Chaitanya and the attention that is inside, you see, is pushed inside that, what you call that aperture in the Agnya Chakra. So, I always say that if you are flickering your eyes, please pay attention to me so that the Chaitanya works through your eyes and fixes your attention to pass through. Because the light starts spreading on all the sides, and you see that light and the eyes go on like that. You cannot close your eyes. It is that is the reason for that. Then the second thing you said that you are facing the, your Sahasrara was on the tip, there is one of the reasons for Nirvichara [thoughtless state], is there. But also, Nirvichara [thoughtless] is a way to express the blessings of your Mother. When She wants to bless you. See you wrote the letter, She was happy. Just to bless you, you became Nirvichara. It’s the blessing. That’s how you, that’s the grace, you see. It comes to you from your Mother that you become Nirvichara. That one has to reve you. If you do the things that I tell you I feel, I bless you very much. Because they are for your good, for your kalyana [benevolence], for your mangal [auspiciousness] and that’s why you are blessed and that blessing you feel as Nirvichara Because I am Nirvichara myself. (Pause.) That is a mess up Kundalini. You see, this is the queries. It is not. This is what happens to so many of you. That is all the Ida and Pingala problems. This is Ida, Pingala. Yogi: Yes, I see. Shri Mataji: Sympathetic. That looks out and it looks like Kundalini. But you don’t get any vibrations in the hands. It looks even some people get a big hole, to get out of it. Especially this Muktananda [false guru], he does like that and you get a feeling that, "Oh!" You should never feel the Kundalini rising, that like an explosion, an example like that. Yogi: Oh, I see. Shri Mataji: (Unclear: Make all half.) This kind of realization is no good. Normally Realisation is good. This kind of experience many people get. Like Hare Krishna also had like that and so many people get that feeling like that you see, that something goes up suddenly it shoots off and you feel exploded and opened out and all that. But that is not the Kundalini. It is the sympathetic nervous system which is very much in strain. They have strain. In that expression of that strain what happens that the whole thing the energy of the complete sympathetic, whatever they have, parasympathetic, is sucked into the sympathetic because sympathetic is too much activated, you see. Then what happens is the parasympathetic system has your stored up energy, whatever it is, it just sucks in all that. And when it is sucked in then suddenly the wave from the pelvic plexus down below starts because you see these all the energies are released to the sympathetic. Because the sympathetic is so exhausted, that whatever is the energy left in the chakras, is released. Once it is released, all that released energy makes you feel that the energy is rising within you because it is rising through Ida and Pingala. Now this is the energy which is just sucked into Ida and Pingala, it rises up and you can feel it going up and coming down and all that. But the after effects of these, each one of these, that such a person, of course in these experiences people feel sometimes horrible things also, that they feel that there is heat liberation, sometimes they feel some sort of a scorpion bites going on, or some snakes coming up and all kinds of things can happen in these. Can be very horrifying also these ones and could be very simple also. But when this happens after effects is like that, that you become arbitrary. You see, all sort of this drug system started after that, because once you are released from that self-control in between you can take to anything like this. Because you are free now, do whatever you pleased with, you see! And that's how you can take to drugs and things. And this is what all these gurus are doing. Is to take out the stored energy which is controlling you, suck them out on to the sympathetic. There are so many ways by that they can do it. They can starve you; they can make you work very hard; they can make you tired; they can make you say some mantras, things. I mean they make your sympathetic work so hard that ultimately a stage is reached where your chakras release all the energy that is stored in them and just get out of it, you see. So, all the energy has been sucked in. And a person feels, "Oh!" Suddenly, there is something, suddenly (unclear). But in these circumstances, you can, may have a big hollow in the head like that and is like a mad person has, see here a big hollow. And the whole thing is sucked in and you get a hollow there like that. So many people get the thing. That is very different. But because all that energy that was inside is sucked in, so, it has become like a big hollow inside, you see, like a mad person has too the same thing. So, this is the way people confuse between Kundalini awakening and the exhaustion of the sympathetic. Normally in the Kundalini awakening through Sahaja Yoga, you do not feel anything. It just goes up and works out. But sometimes if there is, after realization if there is an obstruction due to certain combinations, it may be the obstruction may go out like that. But there is a tremendous difference between the two. In that first you have release in the hands of the vibrations there. But with the first one you do not get; on the contrary you get heated up. And you start avoiding yourself, escaping from yourself. And this starts and that’s how you get into these drugs. This is very much played by these gurus. That’s what they do to you. They exhaust you completely so that you cannot withstand reality and the present moment. So, you try to get into something and once you try to escaping; you see just the whole release of these stores and parasympathetic takes place and Deities are broken and you are broken. You become arbitrary. It’s a cancerous sort of the thing. That's not Kundalini awakening but we would say it is more sympathetic system which comes into play. And the movement of parasympathetic is - what you call that, pumping – a movement of the pumping of the energy starts. You get start, put it on all the thing. And the whole thing is sucked in because of the exhaustion. So, one should not confuse between the two. Because after realization you cannot take to drugs easily, it’s very difficult. You have to really force yourself to take to drugs. Yogi: Mother, (unclear). Shri Mataji: It’s a hypertension. You develop hypertension. You become very agitated. You start dancing, jumping, doing all kinds of things. You see, these things can happen that you can start dancing, jumping, shouting, doing all kinds of things. Getting into licentiousness, perverseness, because that’s how you are let loose. You see, the control on your being of the wisdom is lost. Then you just get into it. You don’t feel the pinch of the, you can call your conscious. The pinch of the conscious is no more. You just go arbitrary. You just shoot off. It can happen to people even without feeling it. Even without feeling this, some people can get into that kind of attitude. That’s how they become alcoholic. And they become all these things where they have no control. Now, Jay? Did you speak something? (Pause.) Eventually, he was absolutely on death bed. Because he got cirrhosis of liver. And he was going to die. See, he had left Sahaja Yoga. He wanted to do it on his own and all that and he just lost it. Poor thing, within three months he started showing disease and he was so bad now, I had brought him home. My husband had gone abroad. And he came back and said, "What is this? You have got a dead person in the house? They are going to prosecute us, we are all going to be in jail, he is going to die." Next moment the way he was, there I just can’t look at him. He was very angry. I said, "Where can I send him? After all he is so sick. It would be very inhumane to send him anywhere out." He said, "Alright! Tomorrow, you arrange something and send him away." But next day, when my husband got up from his bed, he saw this gentleman walking about. He was so surprised and "Oh God, can you see the fellow is out? Out of his bed. (Laughter.) I just can’t believe my eyes." And then believe me, within seven days he was completely cured. Then Jay's told me that, "Mother, some of us are so egotistical that we have to go to that limit to know you and to come to you. It’s not possible for some people to give up their ego and behave in such a manner, so better allow them to go to that position and then come back." I said, "For a Mother it’s difficult. She will try to tell them again and again, that, "No no, you try to get alright." See, that’s what he told me. But this is very true. What I found with the Western people that they are very egotistical in the sense that they don’t mind killing themselves, you see. The ego is so self-destroying that they know they are destroying themselves but just to satisfy their ego they’ll go on destroying themselves. And they reach such a funny point that you just can’t understand how there is that they are so foolish about it. Then he started respecting himself and then he went to his mother. He said, "I feel tremendous love for my mother" whom he had left for years. He never bothered about her. Then he went down. Now he is in Australia and he is looking after his mother and he is coming back with her and truly she is well and he's talking with her sweeter. So, this is what the thing is of wisdom. (Unclear: Gaas-?) who was the leader of all the hippies of London and who was a very clever boy. And he was a physics professor. So you can imagine what can happen to an egotistical person, how he can lose his complete wisdom. So that's done. (Pause.) Because in the first lot that I had from Bharitya Vidya Bhawan, there were about three hundred people out of which at least two hundred and seventy-five people were Indians. And they all were suffering from some disease or another. I got such a fright. I was so angry with all of them. I said, "None of you are healthy" because, you see, some were suffering from paralysis and some were suffering from gout and all kinds of problems they had. And in that lot, I found "Kohli" sitting in front of me and absolutely cool, very, very cool, so much that he was like a frozen, you can say, dough, a frozen dough. And I cleansed him. I said, "Now this is too much." But because of his heart catching you see, when your heart is caught up, you can feel that kind of coolness. Because it depresses your heart more and you get that coolness. So, I called him "Kholi". And Kholi is a one doctor whom I had heard about him, who is in Houston where they are operating small children. I had taken my grandchild there. So, I met him and he looked very much like a man "Kholi" but he is a very tall fellow and very kindly person. And when I saw him, combined these two each other, he was so cool and so much speed like that I said Dr. "Kholi", that I called him "Kholi". And that’s all. And then whenever he talked to me, he says, "Mother you remember me? I am Kholi speaking." He says, "I am Kholi forever." (Laughter.) Now come along, his name is Anthony. What’s the surname? (Unclear.) He is from Cyprus. You see, very near Greece from where Alexander the Great came to ascend. Now comes Kholi the Great! (Cheers, laughter and claps.)

"Shri Mataji commenting on Early SY Experiences". Delhi, India. 14 March 1979. Shri Mataji: That is it. Whatever you believe into, you just turn it down that time. That’s all! Because I am being the Ego and the Mahat-Ahankara. Just say that and you will get the vibrations. Say that, "You are the Mahat-Ahankara" and you will get the vibrations. I am! No doubt. I don’t say that but I am. Yogi: Lalitasahastranama…(unclear) Shri Mataji: See, from where do you get your Ahankara [Ego]? I am the one who does. So, I am Ahankara. But the difference between you and me is only this that you don’t do anything and you think you are doing and here I am doing everything and I am not bothered. (Yogis laughing and clapping.) Someone from the crowd: As it is said in the Gita, Mother! Krishna says, "I am everything." Shri Mataji: Yes, that is true. Very True. So, let’s out. Who else? Yogis: (Unclear.) Alex! Shri Mataji: Alex. Yes, I remember (while laughing Mother says so). Alright! (Pause.) And like that you see, people I have seen, even the complete flow of light, moving up like that, but they have not felt the realization. They saw it coming up to the Agnya and then the whole thing dropped back. They saw it. So, they saw the Kundalini how it was helping. The Adi kundalini was helping, your Kundalini. They saw it. Even this light rising, is because your attention is still outside, you see, so you go on, that flickering of the eye starts. Then I tell you to fix up your eyes to my vision, you fix it up to my figure and my face. What happens is the Chaitanya pushes you through your eyes into the centre, you see, so that you see me as I am. But the eyes are controlled by the Chaitanya and the attention that is inside, you see, is pushed inside that, what you call that aperture in the Agnya Chakra. So, I always say that if you are flickering your eyes, please pay attention to me so that the Chaitanya works through your eyes and fixes your attention to pass through. Because the light starts spreading on all the sides, and you see that light and the eyes go on like that. You cannot close your eyes. It is that is the reason for that. Then the second thing you said that you are facing the, your Sahasrara was on the tip, there is one of the reasons for Nirvichara [thoughtless state], is there. But also, Nirvichara [thoughtless] is a way to express the blessings of your Mother. When She wants to bless you. See you wrote the letter, She was happy. Just to bless you, you became Nirvichara. It’s the blessing. That’s how you, that’s the grace, you see. It comes to you from your Mother that you become Nirvichara. That one has to reve you. If you do the things that I tell you I feel, I bless you very much. Because they are for your good, for your kalyana [benevolence], for your mangal [auspiciousness] and that’s why you are blessed and that blessing you feel as Nirvichara Because I am Nirvichara myself. (Pause.) That is a mess up Kundalini. You see, this is the queries. It is not. This is what happens to so many of you. That is all the Ida and Pingala problems. This is Ida, Pingala. Yogi: Yes, I see. Shri Mataji: Sympathetic. That looks out and it looks like Kundalini. But you don’t get any vibrations in the hands. It looks even some people get a big hole, to get out of it. Especially this Muktananda [false guru], he does like that and you get a feeling that, "Oh!" You should never feel the Kundalini rising, that like an explosion, an example like that. Yogi: Oh, I see. Shri Mataji: (Unclear: Make all half.) This kind of realization is no good. Normally Realisation is good. This kind of experience many people get. Like Hare Krishna also had like that and so many people get that feeling like that you see, that something goes up suddenly it shoots off and you feel exploded and opened out and all that. But that is not the Kundalini. It is the sympathetic nervous system which is very much in strain. They have strain. In that expression of that strain what happens that the whole thing the energy of the complete sympathetic, whatever they have, parasympathetic, is sucked into the sympathetic because sympathetic is too much activated, you see. Then what happens is the parasympathetic system has your stored up energy, whatever it is, it just sucks in all that. And when it is sucked in then suddenly the wave from the pelvic plexus down below starts because you see these all the energies are released to the sympathetic. Because the sympathetic is so exhausted, that whatever is the energy left in the chakras, is released. Once it is released, all that released energy makes you feel that the energy is rising within you because it is rising through Ida and Pingala. Now this is the energy which is just sucked into Ida and Pingala, it rises up and you can feel it going up and coming down and all that. But the after effects of these, each one of these, that such a person, of course in these experiences people feel sometimes horrible things also, that they feel that there is heat liberation, sometimes they feel some sort of a scorpion bites going on, or some snakes coming up and all kinds of things can happen in these. Can be very horrifying also these ones and could be very simple also. But when this happens after effects is like that, that you become arbitrary. You see, all sort of this drug system started after that, because once you are released from that self-control in between you can take to anything like this. Because you are free now, do whatever you pleased with, you see! And that's how you can take to drugs and things. And this is what all these gurus are doing. Is to take out the stored energy which is controlling you, suck them out on to the sympathetic. There are so many ways by that they can do it. They can starve you; they can make you work very hard; they can make you tired; they can make you say some mantras, things. I mean they make your sympathetic work so hard that ultimately a stage is reached where your chakras release all the energy that is stored in them and just get out of it, you see. So, all the energy has been sucked in. And a person feels, "Oh!" Suddenly, there is something, suddenly (unclear). But in these circumstances, you can, may have a big hollow in the head like that and is like a mad person has, see here a big hollow. And the whole thing is sucked in and you get a hollow there like that. So many people get the thing. That is very different. But because all that energy that was inside is sucked in, so, it has become like a big hollow inside, you see, like a mad person has too the same thing. So, this is the way people confuse between Kundalini awakening and the exhaustion of the sympathetic. Normally in the Kundalini awakening through Sahaja Yoga, you do not feel anything. It just goes up and works out. But sometimes if there is, after realization if there is an obstruction due to certain combinations, it may be the obstruction may go out like that. But there is a tremendous difference between the two. In that first you have release in the hands of the vibrations there. But with the first one you do not get; on the contrary you get heated up. And you start avoiding yourself, escaping from yourself. And this starts and that’s how you get into these drugs. This is very much played by these gurus. That’s what they do to you. They exhaust you completely so that you cannot withstand reality and the present moment. So, you try to get into something and once you try to escaping; you see just the whole release of these stores and parasympathetic takes place and Deities are broken and you are broken. You become arbitrary. It’s a cancerous sort of the thing. That's not Kundalini awakening but we would say it is more sympathetic system which comes into play. And the movement of parasympathetic is - what you call that, pumping – a movement of the pumping of the energy starts. You get start, put it on all the thing. And the whole thing is sucked in because of the exhaustion. So, one should not confuse between the two. Because after realization you cannot take to drugs easily, it’s very difficult. You have to really force yourself to take to drugs. Yogi: Mother, (unclear). Shri Mataji: It’s a hypertension. You develop hypertension. You become very agitated. You start dancing, jumping, doing all kinds of things. You see, these things can happen that you can start dancing, jumping, shouting, doing all kinds of things. Getting into licentiousness, perverseness, because that’s how you are let loose. You see, the control on your being of the wisdom is lost. Then you just get into it. You don’t feel the pinch of the, you can call your conscious. The pinch of the conscious is no more. You just go arbitrary. You just shoot off. It can happen to people even without feeling it. Even without feeling this, some people can get into that kind of attitude. That’s how they become alcoholic. And they become all these things where they have no control. Now, Jay? Did you speak something? (Pause.) Eventually, he was absolutely on death bed. Because he got cirrhosis of liver. And he was going to die. See, he had left Sahaja Yoga. He wanted to do it on his own and all that and he just lost it. Poor thing, within three months he started showing disease and he was so bad now, I had brought him home. My husband had gone abroad. And he came back and said, "What is this? You have got a dead person in the house? They are going to prosecute us, we are all going to be in jail, he is going to die." Next moment the way he was, there I just can’t look at him. He was very angry. I said, "Where can I send him? After all he is so sick. It would be very inhumane to send him anywhere out." He said, "Alright! Tomorrow, you arrange something and send him away." But next day, when my husband got up from his bed, he saw this gentleman walking about. He was so surprised and "Oh God, can you see the fellow is out? Out of his bed. (Laughter.) I just can’t believe my eyes." And then believe me, within seven days he was completely cured. Then Jay's told me that, "Mother, some of us are so egotistical that we have to go to that limit to know you and to come to you. It’s not possible for some people to give up their ego and behave in such a manner, so better allow them to go to that position and then come back." I said, "For a Mother it’s difficult. She will try to tell them again and again, that, "No no, you try to get alright." See, that’s what he told me. But this is very true. What I found with the Western people that they are very egotistical in the sense that they don’t mind killing themselves, you see. The ego is so self-destroying that they know they are destroying themselves but just to satisfy their ego they’ll go on destroying themselves. And they reach such a funny point that you just can’t understand how there is that they are so foolish about it. Then he started respecting himself and then he went to his mother. He said, "I feel tremendous love for my mother" whom he had left for years. He never bothered about her. Then he went down. Now he is in Australia and he is looking after his mother and he is coming back with her and truly she is well and he's talking with her sweeter. So, this is what the thing is of wisdom. (Unclear: Gaas-?) who was the leader of all the hippies of London and who was a very clever boy. And he was a physics professor. So you can imagine what can happen to an egotistical person, how he can lose his complete wisdom. So that's done. (Pause.) Because in the first lot that I had from Bharitya Vidya Bhawan, there were about three hundred people out of which at least two hundred and seventy-five people were Indians. And they all were suffering from some disease or another. I got such a fright. I was so angry with all of them. I said, "None of you are healthy" because, you see, some were suffering from paralysis and some were suffering from gout and all kinds of problems they had. And in that lot, I found "Kohli" sitting in front of me and absolutely cool, very, very cool, so much that he was like a frozen, you can say, dough, a frozen dough. And I cleansed him. I said, "Now this is too much." But because of his heart catching you see, when your heart is caught up, you can feel that kind of coolness. Because it depresses your heart more and you get that coolness. So, I called him "Kholi". And Kholi is a one doctor whom I had heard about him, who is in Houston where they are operating small children. I had taken my grandchild there. So, I met him and he looked very much like a man "Kholi" but he is a very tall fellow and very kindly person. And when I saw him, combined these two each other, he was so cool and so much speed like that I said Dr. "Kholi", that I called him "Kholi". And that’s all. And then whenever he talked to me, he says, "Mother you remember me? I am Kholi speaking." He says, "I am Kholi forever." (Laughter.) Now come along, his name is Anthony. What’s the surname? (Unclear.) He is from Cyprus. You see, very near Greece from where Alexander the Great came to ascend. Now comes Kholi the Great! (Cheers, laughter and claps.)

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Advice to Delhi Yogis (Hindi) "Every place has its own vibrations", Delhi (India), 15 March 1979. Translation from Hindi: The efforts put in by the people of Delhi are very commendable, because as you know, in Sahaja Yoga, we have no membership, no rules, no regulations, nor do we keep any register, and under such conditions, some people get so involved and work so hard and think such that there should be one place where all can come. Currently, programmes are being conducted in their homes. So, they told me. I said, "Ok, see if you can find a place, it should be alright, whatever takes place with the knowledge of all should be good." But, according to my observation, blessings of God Almighty are in abundance for the people of Delhi. Because it is very surprising to see the way these people have worked, and in other places, after working hard also, nothing could happen. All this is your own. The place has been made for you, you will only stay there, and you only will use it and make it useful. But it is important that there should be one nucleus, one place where Shri Ganeshji should be installed. It is essential to have a place like this. Because, each place has its own vibrations. It will be nice if you can choose a place where the vibrations be such that a person can have peaceful meditation and get the benefit of it. But I do not have great understanding of money matters. As such, if you see any problem in this matter, you can tell me about it if there is any mistake or if there is any misunderstanding, but as such you may be surprised that people who have become Sahaja Yogis, are honest and faithful to such an extent that we cannot understand whether it is possible to compare their honesty to anybody else or not. Without any fear, they possess so much of honesty and duty-consciousness and there is so much of mutual love and understanding, that it is surprising to note that these people are so different, from different types of business. Some are government employees, somebody is something else, but possess a sort of deep affection, and so much of respect that we are saints and saints should be safe-guarded, and they should be respected also. So much of thought has come from within, that it is very surprising. Like, for instance, here Shri Subramanyam Saheb, who has made a lot of progress in Sahaja Yoga. He has made a lot of progress. And, we have seen that a person who has made progress in Sahaja Yoga, he will be recognised in Sahaja Yoga voluntarily. As such, he is such a likeable person. He does not say anything about anybody, but he will be voluntarily recognised and liked. Because, he will be exuding good and beautiful vibrations, he will be appreciated and liked. They will understand that now he has reached a bit higher level than themselves. And for such a person, there will be no competition from others. In the reverse, the competition will be on, "How can we be like him? How do we become good like him? How will we become giver like him?" But all this has to happen. It cannot happen by lecturing. I am aware that by giving lecture on this, nothing will happen. This is the matter of obtaining it. When you acquire it and when your tree grows and becomes big in this and when you reach that stage, then this will happen. You have also experienced this. Many of you have experienced this. Many of you have been enlightened and many people have obtained it. And for this, you need to know the language also. Recently, one gentleman had written a letter to me in French. I do not know how to read French language. Meaning I am able to read, but cannot understand. But, just by vibrations, I could understand the quantum of pure love with which he has written. All this is just a cup which contains words, but the happiness derived from the aroma within and the juice, which is nectar, are more valuable than words. It happens just on seeing such cups. Supposing if beautiful big cups have been made and some dirty thing has been filled in that, you will spit it out soon after drinking. Those cups have no meaning. Cups may be anyhow, but if it contains nectar [amrut], then the satisfaction the person gets by drinking nectar, will not be found in the cups. Yesterday, I had told you about Kundalini. I would like to tell you more about it. However, a big, new, good book has been published. You people may kindly take that book also, and quite a lot of minute information has been given in details. But you all must understand that all these are just words and words. Without experiencing and without concentration, nothing will happen just by mental, calculated approach. When you start getting awakened from within, then changes will start coming spontaneously. Just as I told you, when Nabhi Chakra starts awakening from within, the first thing that will happen, is a sense of satisfaction, will develop in the person. Priorities of person keeps changing. One gentleman was telling me, "Mother when anybody comes to our house, they will not sit even for 2 minutes also. They just runaway. Do not know what is there in our home." But, as soon as they got their self-realisation, people started coming to their house daily. Good attraction developed within them. I asked him, "Did you feel any change? What was the matter?" He started saying, "Yes, I understood what the matter was." He said, "When people used to come, I used to try to see how I could make them happy, I used to give some things. I used to tell them, 'Take this, will you eat this, please sit' but I do not know how they came to know that I was talking superficially. My wife also used to do the same thing. She used to tell, 'Please eat this, please take this' but she used to save some things. She used to feel not to keep all things before them. Supposed everything is kept before them and if everything is consumed, what will happen? And after this, it so happened that I used to watch myself also and my wife also and see that whenever somebody came to our place, we used to open our heart and say, 'Brother you have come. Come sit.' becoming totally informal, used to ask, 'Ok, what will you eat? You take this, take that.' In this manner, we used to keep all things before them." And the surprising thing is that his wife started telling, "Previously, I used to prepare so much and people used to eat so much, but they were not feeling mentally satisfied. And now, I prepare less, and people say, 'How so much of taste has come in the things prepared by you? It is prepared so nicely', will eat and then will leave with lot of happiness." Gradually, these same people slowly started coming towards Sahaja Yoga again. One of the specialities of Nabhi Chakra is that there is blessing of Shri Annapurna in the hands of woman. And when Nabhi Chakra gets totally enlightened, even if there are thousands of people to partake food, it does not become insufficient. But there will be happiness. If people think, "How much has been prepared?", not much has been prepared but there will be happiness. Through your hand, the positive vibrations go into it and person starts eating with happiness. Lot of love emits from Nabhi Chakra within human being, lot of affection emits. The person does not understand, "What and how to give them? How to give them my love?" We do not ever even think. Love does not even come within us and even if it comes, we just cover up the love thinking whether it will be thought we are wanting something or nothing. As soon as Nabhi Chakra opens, the person is so much filled with love, he feels, "What should I give them?" or "What should be given?" He just opens up. He just opens up. He feels that brother has come and, "What should be done to make him feel good? What to give? How to give rest? What to do?" This is not artificiality. A person may become artificial to any extent, but he knows the artificiality of others also. How much a person is speaking artificially, and how much from within, is known to him. How much the person is conveying superficially and how much he is conveying from within, is then understood by the person. In our villages, there are certainly people who become very happy if you go near them, and if you want to make them very happy. Previously, such people used to be there, these days there is nobody like that. We know our father that the day on which he is very angry, when you go and tell him that, "I want to eat ice cream today" then he would be very happy. If you happened to tell him anything like this, he would become very happy. In olden days people were like this, to give their love, to play, to feed, and to give happiness. All this gave them a lot of happiness. The same thing comes so overwhelmingly within, I do not know how to tell people that enough is enough, "Now do not do anything to come closer." When people went to villages, just do not know what all they did for them. Whatever we could do for them, we did all that. Foreigners say that, "We never knew that there is so much of love in Indians." And I said, "Are you not like that? Even you have developed a lot of love." They have also developed love and you all also have. A revolution of love has appeared. We people, at the most love our own children, wife, or a few family members. And we do not even know the quantum of our love. Even in that we have our own choice. For instance, when our son comes back from battlefield, then we think from heart as to how to meet him. Similarly, in enquiring about health, how to meet. Same quantum of love even in ordinary meeting, "Oh, come, let us meet them. They stay here, let us see them. If they have any problem let us find out and help them. Anything else we can do?" Such type of things starts working from within as our happy vision gets a change totally. To give, brings happiness. To support somebody, gives happiness. Even if there are small requirements, a person volunteers to do it. He says, "Could this be done? That done? Can it be done this way?" The happiness we experience by this, cannot be compared to the present artificial calculation done for everything. This love, which surges from Nabhi, which enters our attention [chitta], is spread all over. This is so large-spread, happy and peaceful, that your health gets well just by meeting people. I have also seen such people who always get bored with people. If somebody visits them, they say over the phone, "Brother I am not at home, please go." They keep running. Then they will be running from morning to evening. Some people happen to be big bore also. Keep running, and after some time, they keep running from their own people also. They wonder what to do. Two people are sitting, both are friends. In between, they read comic. One reads one comic, the other reads the other, or they go to see a movie together. There is no connectivity in both. But Sahaja Yogis are not like that. They do not read anything. Nothing. When they are sitting together, peacefully enjoying sitting between themselves, "Oh brother, what are you doing?" "Nothing, just sitting." Cracking jokes between themselves. If somebody gets realisation – recently, we had been to Kolkata, we were staying in a hotel there. One gentleman came to hotel. Three to four people were with him, staying in different rooms. As soon as I put my feet, good vibrations started coming quite fast. These people came running and started saying, "Mother who was at your feet?" I asked, "Why?" They said, "Vibrations started coming from top all of a sudden." I said, "See this, they are inhaling its scent, enjoying it, 'Now, who is that person? What is his caste? What is his creed? Which village is he from? Which city is he from? Which country is he from? If he is getting vibrations on his back? Oh oh, what is the matter?' Now he is standing, taking pleasure. He is also having fun. These people also are having fun." Many times, you might have seen that those Sahaja Yogis who bring you to my feet, are enjoying you in their meditation. Again, I tell you, take pleasure in meditation. You started taking pleasure in these people. So, the pleasure a human being gets, is the essence on the returns of the earnings of the tattwa. It is not on the worldly belongings. Do you have big vehicles, do you have big buildings, a house, what will you achieve by all this? But the heart should be big and that heart, you will be surprised that, works from the Nabhi Chakra. That is why the Aortic Plexus many people say is the heart of the stomach. Many people call the Aortic Plexus as the heart of the stomach. It starts running from inside. This happens only after your realisation. When you receive lots of blessings of the Nabhi Chakra, you feel that you yourself was never such an enjoying person, "But now how have I achieved this?" You are not able to understand that. You think that you were always a boring person and that you always bore others always, "But now what change has come in me? I am enjoying myself and I don’t get even bored with myself now." Now if you are sitting alone, you are just sitting. You don’t feel now that you are getting bored, so you should smoke a cigarette. You just enjoy yourself by sitting alone. You don’t feel like doing different things. People usually get into various habits because they are bored. People get bored with themselves, bored with others. People don’t have any give and take anymore. If anyone is called at home then it is necessary that you have to feed them food. This is not required. Just sit together and enjoy each other’s company, give [eat] love and take love. The enjoyment that you earlier used to get in having food together and doing all useless activities, you enjoy more than that just by talking to each other, not even talking but just enjoying each other’s company. Like you never know since when you have met after you had split, you are now at peace together. This you get from your Nabhi Chakra. You get creativity from the Swadishthan Chakra. When the Swadishthan Chakra is enlightened within you the creativity within you increases. It means the same tree that you are seeing, you are seeing today, that you have been seeing since years, you could never see its beauty then. But after your realisation you yourself see that there are so many colours that have now come in the tree, it has got so much shapes. You start seeing beauty in all such things. The example of this is in the Zen system, the people following Zen system were also Sahaja Yogis. Viditama Saheb who started the Zen system had only 26 [twenty-six] realised souls. The only problem with Zen system was that there were not many realised souls because there was not the time. But if you read the Zen script, then for a roses flower or for a flower grown in the jungle, they have written poetries. It is so beautiful. But if a person is not realised soul, then they will not be able to enjoy the same. There they build a garden even for the moss and if you go to see it, it has been made with so much attention and beautifully. Only some sand would be placed and on top of that there will be some stones kept and they will ask you to guess what it is. I said, "This is nothing, this just like that." They make such things that take you into thoughtless awareness [Nirvichar] state and there are no thoughts. You are so happy that you become thoughtless. These are the different ways in Zen system through which they want you to get you into thoughtless state. The creativity sense within you comes from the Swadishthan Chakra and it brings a kind of dynamism in everything that you do. There are many Sahaja Yogis who have never given a speech or orated anything nor do they know how to give it. But even if small kids start talking it is so surprising that it seems as if Goddess Saraswati is standing there. They talk such things that it is surprising. You can listen to this small kid’s recording here, you will be surprised that a seven year old kid gives such lecture that you will be surprised as if it is Goddess Saraswati who is speaking. One gentleman from Panchan who later got his realisation, he said that he lost his job, "What should I do?" I asked him to do interior decoration work. He said, "Mother what are you saying? I have never heard about this." (The audio goes blank for six seconds here till 17 mins 01 secs). She is calling them, "Respect the elders." This is a small thing. Even if they have said something harsh, no one is so difficult to ask you to go to exile. Who will go to exile nowadays? No mother or father asks their child to go to exile. This no one will say. The only thing that they will say as a maximum is that, "Do not spend much. Don’t get into anything nonsense." If the father asks, "Why did you come late?", that is enough to create a disaster. We have lost our decency [maryadas]. Completely broken. If someone is elder or is at a higher position, nowadays even someone walking on the street will abuse anyone. For them it is not important to know who it is, what is the position that they hold. We only have elected them and put them on the pedestal. Anyone and everyone is abusing. Ears start paining, I am surprised that how can someone abuse someone elder to them. And it is done by big people, people who hold higher positions. It is as if all our decency has been lost. Assisting elders, giving respect to elders is so full of manners. And it was also in England, that those who are from big families used to talk to their fathers with their head bowed in respect. Manners show people’s special character, their nobility is seen, their knowledge is seen, their wisdom is seen. Insolence and insane behaviour by people, the way they behave and the kind of language they use, such language should never be used in front of children. In today’s times, there was a story which used to be told. There was a very interesting aunt used to narrate this story that nowadays the time has come that – as an example she used to say that – one gentleman with whom his mother used to stay and the daughter-in-law was very upset with the mother-in-law. And when the mother-in-law passed away, the father-in-law was alive and she use to never care for him. And she used to give food in an earthen pot to him which was used to feed the dogs. Then their child saw that the food was given in such a pot. He used to see that everyone else used to have in good vessels and for the poor grandfather the food used to be served in the earthen pot. One day the child was taking the food for the grandfather, he fell down, got hurt and the pot broke. Then the child started crying loudly. His mother asked, "Why are you crying so loudly, don’t worry, another pot will be brought, it is not a big deal." The child became quite and asked another pot will be bought right. The mother said, "Yes, it will be bought, but tell me why did you cry so much?" The child said, "I was thinking that when you become old, then in which vessel shall I serve food to you." These kinds of manners, children learn from us. The children are surprised. In this manner, even our ladies have given up their boundaries [maryadas]. Not being able to have connectivity with members of their family, their in-laws, their parental connections. Such strange feelings, the strange attitude grows within us, and if you want to see an example of this, you may go and see abroad. No woman accepts the person as her husband. Now, the poor husband comes home from office and he comes to know that his wife has eloped. Daily, such activities keep taking place. You may be surprised. There is no respect for anything. An eighty-year-old man can get married to a eighteen year old girl. An eighty-year-old woman can write a love letter to an eighteen-year-old boy. Tell me if anybody commits such a foolish thing here? People will comment, "What has happened to this old woman?" Because, what is the reason for that? When there is respect, then the person becomes perfect. See, there is a tree. If it exceeds the limit of its growth, people cut it thinking that its branches have started growing, they will not bear fruits. They cut the branches. Similarly, we also have to cut our such branches which have spread here and there, and keep them in limits, so that we can get seasoned completely. Maturity should come in us. This maturity can only be seen as an example, in Shri Ramachandraji. See what a mature personality he was. So much of balance was within him. What a mature personality he possessed. Whatever that can be told about him, is that much less. But his main quality was regarding how a ruler should be. Regarding sacrifice, how much he should sacrifice. Here is an example, and all rulers should observe regarding his wife, who herself was Adi Shakti. He knew that she was Devi. He separated from her, even under such a condition, when she was about to deliver baby. In order to give satisfaction to the people and the society, he made such a big sacrifice. Tell people, "You change your coat today", that also they will not do. Within us, in our conscience, when Shri Ramachandraji came about 8000 years ago, at that time, the thing enlightened us as to how the King should be. What should be the personality of a King. Actually, I will definitely say that on account of the mercy of Shri Rama, eminent Rulers existed in our country. Our heart swells up while taking the name of each individual. Rana Pratap, how sacrificing he was. Shivaji, and one king after the other came here. While taking the name of each and every one, people feel, "Wah wah, what a name have you taken!" In England and America, such things were very much less. But, there also, I can tell regarding Abraham Lincoln. He was such an eminent person, absolutely right in nature, perfect in his administration, follower of rules, and there was maturity in him and there was nothing dirty about him. He was a totally established, and a great human being. But now, America cannot make a person like him, neither can Russia do it. Somehow it happened, everybody’s respect was broken. The best achievement we did was that we broke our respect, and this we think as ‘independence’. There is a small thing to understand, for example, there is an aeroplane. It has to fly. It is kept in perfect manner. Yes, or no? Supposing it says, "I will not be in state of respecting the boundaries [maryadas]." Then, as soon as it starts flying, it will fall here and there. Everything you have to tie in a disciplined manner. Take for example, there is wheat, if you just spread it, nothing will come to the hands. You tie it up with discipline. The person who is not within boundary [maryada], it is difficult to move about with him. Which side, this person is going to sit and get up, is not known. He has no boundaries [maryadas]. He does not understand about mother, sister, nor about anything. Neither big nor small. When he will confront, "Come on brother", run from him. By talking like this, people think that, "We have talked quite smartly." Yes, what to say? I am surprised to see this debating. In Parliament also I have seen this. I used to feel very much surprised. How people can talk with each other like this, in a country where Shri Rama was born? There is a lot of kindness of Him on us. And the person in whom this is activated, he at once understands the boundaries ([maryadas]. It is like this even in our Sahaja Yoga. When people obtain this, they will by themselves acquire their boundaries [maryadas]. If people come sometimes, "Today, there is no time. Beta, do not touch my feet", that is all, they sat. There is no necessity to tell them. They will be just looking for signs. What they acquired out of this, what they have lost, and those who do not do like this, who have a behaviour like this for their parents, what did they achieve? It is the same for governance. In governance, if you people think that we shall live in undisciplined way, and Mother shouts and screams and create confusion, then you people are breaking the boundaries. What did you get out of it? What can you get out of it? People tell, go on strike. We have seen that most of the people who indulge in strikes, earn a lot of money, they put a lot of money in liquor. What a big achievement like making Taj, have they done on account of this? Acquiring things by breaking boundaries is very harmful. Being within limits also, we can achieve everything, and by breaking limits you cannot achieve anything because whatever you achieve, will also be without boundaries [maryadas]. The meaning of this, straight forward meaning of this is, if you acquire anything by breaking the boundaries, like think that there is a child, he has broken the boundary and took away the money from his mother and father, he becomes a waste. You just do it and see keep this in boundary and see it. I have seen that the person who is in boundary, rises to such high level, because his softness is his beauty. And his respect of boundaries only, in a way attracts you. The person who has no boundaries, you do not know how and when he will pinch you. Would you like to sit on a sharp stone? Then, why do you become sharp? The beauty of the person lies in his maintaining of his boundaries. The person, who has no boundaries [maryadas], has no beauty of any sort. It is said that in London or Western countries, people have said to have struggled. Have they broken their existing traditions, and after breaking, have they thought of making new things? And after breaking, did you start doing it? You started taking drugs. If you have any attraction, you have to break it. If you have any attraction there is a big difference between attraction and boundaries, you should be able to understand it. If you have any attraction, like Britishers had their empire on us, this was attraction on us. This should be broken. We should not endure slavery. But whosoever is in their boundary, nobody else is more free than him. He is in the boundaries [maryadas] in his freedom. Because he is independent, he is soft. The person who has sense of insecurity, and who always feels weak, he always dominates others. Shri Rama, whose name when taken, opens the Heart Chakra, his wife Sitaji is actually incarnation of Adi Shakti. She had taken other avatars after this. She had to go to exile [vanvas]. People think, "When she was such a great goddess why did she have to go to exile?" Such people never go to exile, etc. Wherever they go, they are there. For instance, today we are talking. Now I am here, we are talking. If not here, we are in London. What is exile? There is a pandal here, we are underneath this. If not, we are below the tree. For such people there is nothing like exile etc. Wherever they are, they will be there. For them, this atmosphere and such things are not of importance. Then, why did they go? It is important to note that they stay in their Raj Mahal. Why all this drama was made? Poor Shri Sitaji who had never walked bare feet, why was she taken bare foot at that time? There is a reason for this. In order to spread her vibrations, she had walked. When Shri Sitaji was walking, her vibrations were reaching everywhere, which reached country wide. The biggest of all tourists was Shri Ramachandraji, to the extent of even reaching places up to Bangkok etc., and coming back. All this was enacted so that he could go country-wide and reaching every place, he could leave behind his vibrations. The place where Shri Sitaji had her bath was made near Ravuri. I had gone to see it. It was evident from a distance only, that it was the bathing place. So much of vibrations were coming from that place, so much of vibrations were coming from that place, and the water was flowing such that we could not understand whether the water has flown from nature, from where it was coming; It is all strange. But the most important thing is about vibrations. This was really a way of distributing vibrations. If the vibrations had not been distributed at that time by them, we could not have held Sahaja Yoga today. Because even today people in India walk barefoot. In this country, every bit is vibrated. Perhaps you do not know if you get cleared. While coming from London, I bent down and saw. I told, "We are now in India." These people asked, "Mother how did you know?" I said, "See vibrations are visible. Vibrations are seen twinkling at small intervals." I said, "See it is visible." People also said, "Yes Mother, we are now in India. Vibrations are felt." On which earth are you sitting? The foot with which Shri Rama vibrated the Mother Earth, you are sitting on that earth. You try to obtain that Chaitanya. Whatever his sacrifice has been, it is just a drama for him. This is for sure. For him, there is no meaning in this. What is sacrifice and possessing for him? When he has not caught anything, where is the question of sacrifice by him? Whoever catches, he will only sacrifice. There is nothing like catching or sacrificing for him. But whatever he has done, it is preparation for Sahaja Yoga in our land of India [Bharath Varsha], to enable our people to obtain these vibrations. But the sad part of it is, leave alone Chaitanya, we have forgotten Shri Rama. Now, we have opened shops of them. One plastic photo of Shri Rama was obtained by them, they sat down with that. And they started offering Pooja. Some became rich, had lots of money and they said, "Come on brother, open a Shri Rama Mandir, by which our weight gets reduced, we have done something at last." One gentleman opened a temple somewhere. He was a very rich person. He brought an idol of Shri Rama and showed it. He asked me, "Mother, is this alright?" I said, "No, absolutely not alright." He asked, "Why?" I Said, "This is the idol of Shri Rama, and the Heart Chakra has a catch on the right. Meaning, it is against Shri Rama." He asked, "What was the diagnosis?" I said that the diagnosis was such that it shows that the person who has made it, had hurt his father very much. This is the diagnosis. You will be surprised that after one month it was revealed that the person was caught. He had murdered his father. The idol should be made only by such a person who respects husband or father like Shri Ramachandra. Otherwise, there is no permission for one who starts doing as per his likes. The person who has not served his father cannot make the idol of Shri Ramachandra. He has no right. But person who has served his father, who felt happy to keep his father happy, the idol made by such a person will be beautiful at any cost his vibrations and giving happiness will be complete. It may be even marble or soil, there is vibration in it. As soon as it is seen, people should also feel respect towards their father. Because Shri Rama is our father. He is like our father. When your chakra gets a catch, it means that either you are angry with your father, or not dutiful, or your father is no more. You feel sad regarding him. There is some or the other relationship with your father, and it could be also that you yourself are not a good father. The placement of father is on the right-side heart. If this side is not in order, many such meanings are revealed what was the state before it got upset. Meaning there are many types of things, like your father is no more which was all of a sudden and you are also frustrated on account of that. He may still be wondering could be you are behaving very badly with him, could be you are not a good father, could be that you father is no more, could be you did not understand the essence of father. This essence father somehow gives comfort from within us. What is the effect of this? If somebody gets pneumonia, your, this chakra gets affected. If somebody is affected with asthma, mostly this chakra gets affected. Astonishing thing is that there are two chakras wherein we see that it is connected with asthma. But mostly we see that in people, this chakra gets affected when there is sadness somewhere in father’s tattwa. To insult father based upon wife’s words, to insult father before his children or insulting your own children, to neglect your own children: all these things are seen clearly in this chakra. Now, this becomes so sensitive, let me tell you there was one sahib. He was very modern. His child was to be born. So, he got abortion done. He was asked, "Brother, why did you get this done?" Started saying, "We thought that if we had many children, we will be quite troubled. We will not be able to roam about. Now is the time for us to move about." What can she do at that time? And her chakras are so much caught, so much caught, that her going out has stopped. She felt uneasy. In the end, she had to ask for pardon. With great difficulty, this chakra has got released. So, this is such that reality comes forth. We have cured asthma of many people. We have cured twenty-five-year-old ailing from asthma problem. In this, if you understand the reason for the occurrence of asthma, as it is controlled by lungs. If somebody gets pneumonia, you will come to know that pneumonia has occurred, because the concerned chakra gets a catch vigorously and heat exudes from this. Now where will this chakra be seen on our finger? This is on the right side. Now on the left side also there is heart, and right in the middle also there is heart. Thus, three hearts are placed. Now, where the centre heart is placed, this is the place of Shri Jagadamba. We also call them Durga, Lalita, etc., who have taken their Avatar in this world number of times. And those people who search for Paramatma in Void [Bhavasagara], for them she takes the incarnation [Avatar] and protects everyone. So, her essence and her philosophy is protection. Now understand, if any woman feels a sense of insecurity, see how delicate the thing is. If any woman gets the sense of insecurity, if her husband is not good, runs here and there, from whose sake she is troubled, she will get breast cancer. She gets breast cancer, because the place of safety is vacant. There is sense of insecurity. Many men think to frighten women, scold them that, "You are suspicious, you are like this, that." If there is they should give up such thing. They should not think bad of them, frighten women or scold them that, "You are suspicious, you are this, that, etc." If woman is suspicious, they should not indulge in such thing. Because if you do anything forceful, her Central Heart gets catch, and she will get such problem. Such woman will not get milk to feed her children. It gets dried up. There is sense of insecurity. It happens even in men some times. Like, regarding career matters, if something happens, there will be palpitations. Soon after birth, where the thing called sternum bone is placed within, the said bone there develops antibodies in science. Antibodies are the soldiers of Shri Jagadamba, which develop. They all get spread in the body and stay on. And whenever a human being is attacked, these antibodies help them. But, if Jagdamba’s Tattwa gets weakened, these antibodies also become dry and stay out because their essence is from Durga Tattwa. You may be aware, whenever frightened, a person’s heart starts beating fast like ‘dhak, dhak’. Now in this matter, we have to say that [on Left Heart] it is mother’s place. In our country, people regard their mother very high. They respect their mother but do not respect the mother of their children. Because, she is the mother of our children, this is also a very important aspect. Till we do not give that status to the mother of our children, like what the place of our mother was, their mother also suffered and her children’s mother is also suffering. Then this chakra develops [blockages] and many serious problems take place. Like the hysteria problem. All this is attack on the left side. On the left side, whatever attack comes from the subconscious, fear suffered by the ladies, screaming, shouting, being frightened, nervousness, insomnia, feeling insecure, getting worried, feeling of fear, getting frustrated, feeling of fear all the time of something, being afraid, unable to come forward to perform any work, bowing down before any aggression, all these things happen. Many men also experience all this. When this chakra becomes dull, these poor things take big aggressions on themselves. It is also wrong thing not to take any aggression of others. You should be standing in the middle. You neither impose aggression on others, nor should you take any body’s aggression. When this chakra gets totally balanced, then you will be standing upright, because of the presence of Jagadamba, who is the mother of the entire world, who is the saviour of the whole world. She is your mother. Then what is the fear about? But you will not do any aggression. Then you protect the devotees. Then you will shine in your goodness. You will not be nervous. Many people will feel like, "Sahib, what should I do? I am feeling very much frightened. I am more honest than actually required. In my office, all are non-trustworthy. They will just gobble me up." But, when Jagat Janani awakens within, he will feel very great. He thinks, "Ok, these people are useless. At least, I am on the right track." He starts enjoying his virtues. We keep crying for our virtues. He does not feel frightened for his virtues, nor does he cry that, "I am so virtuous, and you are not." He does not even do that. Neither does he aggress, nor does he put any aggression on others, nor does he take anybody’s aggression. This way he gets a place in the middle. Now, this Middle Heart Chakra, is very important. If it gets spoilt, then sometimes, spondylitis occurs. These are small things. They have to be understood. Like, there is a girl, she is married. Her husband, if he makes her feel insecure, he should be made to understand, "See this is sin, it cannot be done like this." Do not pressurise, because the chakras of these ladies are specially very bad. Let me tell you, here ladies are very calm. They are very good. Because of these ladies, your status is like this. Otherwise, you see the men in England, their eyes somewhere, nose somewhere, face elsewhere. Can’t sit quiet even for a moment. They do not have decorum like you. At this age, they have 5 – 6 lines on the face, their eyes flutter, nose flutters, cheeks will be flying. Because his mother would have eloped with someone, wife would have run away with somebody. Even now, the women here are very gentle, irrespective of how their husband, children are. But she has not taken them to task, because if she does that, England will come away here. There women have put their husband in a strict condition. Absolutely. Such condition has been formed; men do not know how to live with such ladies. And this is not just one such, I have seen the state of all. From morning till evening, "Do this cleaning, wash these dishes, do that, you have not done that, you have not done that." No sooner than he came home, there work will be piled up for him. In our country, gents do not even know how to carry the broom in their hand. When they go out, they cry as to how to prepare food now, "We do not even know how to prepare curry. Which is the Dal use? We do not know." Women have carried a lot of burden on themselves in this country. The woman of this country is steady, great like Mother Earth, one greater than the other has been born. Take their names, like Noor Jahan, what a woman she was. Chand Bibi was there, Padmini was there. People would not believe that there would have been a special woman like Padmini. Over there, if some man followed a woman, there would be immediate disappearance. There nobody could understand that a woman could also take care of her chastity. These days, nobody can understand. You would be surprised that there are women who are interested to know how many men are running after them. Old women talk of such things, I feel surprised whether their wisdom has disappeared fully. I am telling you generally. Out of hundred, if you find one woman, who you think is alright, then you could say, "Yes, it is alright." As regards men, their condition has been made very weak. If a Hindustani gent has married a foreigner, giving up his Hindustani wife, his condition becomes worth seeing. He cries regarding his fate. As such it is not a good thing. But these great souls cannot be criticised by you. Keep up their respect, "Yatra nari pujyante, tatra ramante devatha", "Where a woman is fit for worship, and is worshipped, there reside the Devatha." In any of these countries, the status of woman is not like what it is here, meaning good. Here, as said, the status of women has not become as proclaimed and keeping in view, women here are not respected at home as required. Everywhere woman has become a big fool. These days, they have released some more things, "liberties." And what all has been released? "Lib": liberation? These ladies have horns coming out. They have become totally animal-like, totally become like donkey. They have no sense. To serve her husband, to take care of her children, is a great job. You will realise this when nobody does it. When children roam around on your streets, take drugs, and twelve-year-old child goes out and sells newspapers, thefts take place, and are killed. Our ladies have not been taught anything like this by anyone. Though not educated, they are very good and generous from within. Some are spoilt. Especially if she is westernised, then she will not understand anything. As it is, women are quite silly. There is nothing to learn from them. I have told you 100 times. And women [here] strictly do not have to learn anything from them. I have not seen [there] even one woman, who is equivalent to even the dust of our feet, wherein there is understanding, adjustment and the character. You should be very proud that you are the son of such a person who was righteous, and the husband of such a wife, who is person of good character. Because she is a person of character, she should be respected very much. But we people are having a new fashion, high respect for the women with bad character. If one characterless woman enters, everybody starts running after her. Do not know how such type persons were born in this country. They were never here before. In about last 25–30 years many such bull-type of people have been born I am telling you. In our days, young people used to lower their eyes and walk. They never understood who this other woman was. One’s own wife, means one’s own. But these days, the like of bull has come and on account of this bull, even your wife will become like a cow and not the kicking type. Now, this has to happen because you are after it. If not your wife, it could be your son’s wife. These are formalities. These have to be bound and have to be taken care of. And this is the place of your wife in the heart, the place of your mother. The most important thing is the heart on the left side, which catches thumb [Nabhi]. In our heart, on the left side, is the place of Shri Shiva. Shri Shiva is the light of Spirit, he is Sadashiv. Sadashiv is always present on our head. The reflection of that is within us and that is Atma, what we call as Atmaram. He rests in our heart. Whenever we work against our Atma, then this chakra sleeps off immediately. Consider those who are ego-oriented, who are very active on the right side, those who are ego-oriented work relentlessly like we have to do planning, have to do this and through this ego, have to execute a lot of work. Not after realisation, then dynamism flows from within. But in the beginning, it will be ego-oriented. Now, it will be overtaken there, now it will happen here also. This ego-orientation increases more within us, when our ego develops very much meaning, "We have become very big", then your Heart Chakra gets catched. That is how heart attack happens when person becomes ego-oriented. But we express a lot of sympathy on the person who has had a heart attack. We think that this person has suffered a heart attack. If you tell that person, he has got a heart attack, and ask him to lie down calmly. I have seen many people, there was a gentleman, who was about 90 years and he got paralysis. Those who work a lot, are controlled by paralysis. He suffered a paralysis attack – ninety years old. Went to meet him and he was giving all the statistics of shipping company. I said that this person does not know whether he can be alive for 2 days or not. His one side was damaged and he is talking through the other side, and he had by-hearted everything that he was speaking. I said I do not know what is going to happen to him. When a person does overplanning and thinks a lot and indulges in aggression, with this even God Almighty gets angry with him. It means that our attention should be only on God Almighty. It means your attention [chitta] is not on Spirit. You should be just the Spirit. Human being feels the difficulty in that, "If we do not see It, how will it work out?" One power, who is going to look after this, is sitting there. Alright, you do your work. There is no problem in that. But getting the fruit or not getting, there should be no involvement in that. But this is also a fact that till the work does not happen, the person cannot do it. Even then, I tell everybody, Shri Krishna has said, "Do not become overworked." Learn to take some rest also. At times try to take rest. Learn to take some rest every now and then. Whoever said, "Do not take rest at all", what great thing have they done, tell me? At least for some time, one should take some rest also and should remember the Almighty, the world Planner, Who plans for everybody, should be remembered. These days, scientists say that there is no God, negation of God. They have said it already. For such people, if their heart is not blocked, what else will it be. Meaning, when you have not given attention to this at all, you have sacrificed it. Then this thing is going to end. Heart attack happens on account of this. The most important thing is heart. If you can think from your heart, you will become very beautiful, and if you love your wisdom, you will shine like four moons [Char Chand’]. Everything happens from the heart. All the knowledge comes from the heart. You might be surprised with what I am saying. We do not get knowledge [Gyan] from wisdom, it comes from the heart. Whatever work you do, do it from the heart. If you want to read something, do it from the heart. If you want to do any job, do it from the heart. But you do it from the intellect, you are ego-oriented. But when you do from heart, then you will enjoy it always. The meaning of doing from the heart is that, the Spirit which is within, the Spirit [Atma] there, you are bringing it to use. Whenever somebody is talking to you, say if somebody is giving lecture before you, if he is not doing from the heart, then you will realise that there is some non-sense going on. There is nothing in this. By taking complete three and half chakra from heart, the mirror image of Kundalini will be completely like this. Till the matter does not settle in the heart, there will be no beauty and no fruit will be achieved. Whatever emerges from intellect, does not give any gain. You do everything from the heart. See knowledge also. There is a person, think that we have ardent love for you, so we know where your Kundalini is. Now you are doing hard work, even sitting at two in the night, because you are doing from the heart. How to get up? Becomes fully aware of you. There is mother, she loves her child very much. She knows minute details of her child. She knows everything. Whenever you do any work, do it from heart. You are a government employee, if he thinks that, "This work is of public, I am doing it from the heart." "My heart desires it. Without this, I will not like it." There will be no impact. But when this thing breaks down, then the Spirit disappears, and then there will be death. This does not mean, those who do a lot of work are big sinners, but blind also. Do work, but do it from the heart. The work which you do, if it is not from the heart, it is of no use, there is no gain in that, and from this, there will be no comfort to anybody. You may create a mountain, everything is plastic. Now, you only think whether you do all your work in the office, from the heart. Many people do the work because they get money, have to do. What to do, have to perish? You have to play the drum hanging on to your shoulder. Then what fun will be there? Otherwise, there will be so much of fun, that even you are maybe standing in hurricane, you feel the pleasure in fighting that you are fighting with your heart. Because the heart itself is happy. The stotra of happiness is your Spirit, your soul, and you are not going to get happiness from anywhere else. When your Atma feels happy, then alone you will experience happiness in all these things, and the word called frustration will go away from you. In this manner, I have told you about three chakras, which is called Heart Chakra. This is also called Anahat Chakra. (Someone from the audience was talking - this is not clear.) Shri Mataji asks: "Did you say something?" 'Anahat' means ‘without percussion.’ Because the speed in the heart, the essence by which we are alive, its sound comes without any percussion, comes without any disturbance, on account of which we call it 'Anahat'. When Kundalini awakens and when chitta covers it, at that time even in Kundalini, the heart awakens and it speaks. You can see that it’s "Dhak, Dhak, Dhak, Dhak", can be heard by you. You can also see with stethoscope the rise of Kundalini. And when it reaches the peak, then Kabir has said, "On empty tower, the heart sings." Means reaching here, the Anahat has started parlaying instrument, "I have arrived." And when this Anahat breaks here, then the person becomes Realised. I will explain Pranav, Anahat, Aum, Adi later. Now I have spoken to you about three chakras. It is quite late now. I want some of you… (The audio has gone blank from 56 mins 32 secs to 57 mins 08 secs which is the end of the speech). End of speech.

Advice to Delhi Yogis (Hindi) "Every place has its own vibrations", Delhi (India), 15 March 1979. Translation from Hindi: The efforts put in by the people of Delhi are very commendable, because as you know, in Sahaja Yoga, we have no membership, no rules, no regulations, nor do we keep any register, and under such conditions, some people get so involved and work so hard and think such that there should be one place where all can come. Currently, programmes are being conducted in their homes. So, they told me. I said, "Ok, see if you can find a place, it should be alright, whatever takes place with the knowledge of all should be good." But, according to my observation, blessings of God Almighty are in abundance for the people of Delhi. Because it is very surprising to see the way these people have worked, and in other places, after working hard also, nothing could happen. All this is your own. The place has been made for you, you will only stay there, and you only will use it and make it useful. But it is important that there should be one nucleus, one place where Shri Ganeshji should be installed. It is essential to have a place like this. Because, each place has its own vibrations. It will be nice if you can choose a place where the vibrations be such that a person can have peaceful meditation and get the benefit of it. But I do not have great understanding of money matters. As such, if you see any problem in this matter, you can tell me about it if there is any mistake or if there is any misunderstanding, but as such you may be surprised that people who have become Sahaja Yogis, are honest and faithful to such an extent that we cannot understand whether it is possible to compare their honesty to anybody else or not. Without any fear, they possess so much of honesty and duty-consciousness and there is so much of mutual love and understanding, that it is surprising to note that these people are so different, from different types of business. Some are government employees, somebody is something else, but possess a sort of deep affection, and so much of respect that we are saints and saints should be safe-guarded, and they should be respected also. So much of thought has come from within, that it is very surprising. Like, for instance, here Shri Subramanyam Saheb, who has made a lot of progress in Sahaja Yoga. He has made a lot of progress. And, we have seen that a person who has made progress in Sahaja Yoga, he will be recognised in Sahaja Yoga voluntarily. As such, he is such a likeable person. He does not say anything about anybody, but he will be voluntarily recognised and liked. Because, he will be exuding good and beautiful vibrations, he will be appreciated and liked. They will understand that now he has reached a bit higher level than themselves. And for such a person, there will be no competition from others. In the reverse, the competition will be on, "How can we be like him? How do we become good like him? How will we become giver like him?" But all this has to happen. It cannot happen by lecturing. I am aware that by giving lecture on this, nothing will happen. This is the matter of obtaining it. When you acquire it and when your tree grows and becomes big in this and when you reach that stage, then this will happen. You have also experienced this. Many of you have experienced this. Many of you have been enlightened and many people have obtained it. And for this, you need to know the language also. Recently, one gentleman had written a letter to me in French. I do not know how to read French language. Meaning I am able to read, but cannot understand. But, just by vibrations, I could understand the quantum of pure love with which he has written. All this is just a cup which contains words, but the happiness derived from the aroma within and the juice, which is nectar, are more valuable than words. It happens just on seeing such cups. Supposing if beautiful big cups have been made and some dirty thing has been filled in that, you will spit it out soon after drinking. Those cups have no meaning. Cups may be anyhow, but if it contains nectar [amrut], then the satisfaction the person gets by drinking nectar, will not be found in the cups. Yesterday, I had told you about Kundalini. I would like to tell you more about it. However, a big, new, good book has been published. You people may kindly take that book also, and quite a lot of minute information has been given in details. But you all must understand that all these are just words and words. Without experiencing and without concentration, nothing will happen just by mental, calculated approach. When you start getting awakened from within, then changes will start coming spontaneously. Just as I told you, when Nabhi Chakra starts awakening from within, the first thing that will happen, is a sense of satisfaction, will develop in the person. Priorities of person keeps changing. One gentleman was telling me, "Mother when anybody comes to our house, they will not sit even for 2 minutes also. They just runaway. Do not know what is there in our home." But, as soon as they got their self-realisation, people started coming to their house daily. Good attraction developed within them. I asked him, "Did you feel any change? What was the matter?" He started saying, "Yes, I understood what the matter was." He said, "When people used to come, I used to try to see how I could make them happy, I used to give some things. I used to tell them, 'Take this, will you eat this, please sit' but I do not know how they came to know that I was talking superficially. My wife also used to do the same thing. She used to tell, 'Please eat this, please take this' but she used to save some things. She used to feel not to keep all things before them. Supposed everything is kept before them and if everything is consumed, what will happen? And after this, it so happened that I used to watch myself also and my wife also and see that whenever somebody came to our place, we used to open our heart and say, 'Brother you have come. Come sit.' becoming totally informal, used to ask, 'Ok, what will you eat? You take this, take that.' In this manner, we used to keep all things before them." And the surprising thing is that his wife started telling, "Previously, I used to prepare so much and people used to eat so much, but they were not feeling mentally satisfied. And now, I prepare less, and people say, 'How so much of taste has come in the things prepared by you? It is prepared so nicely', will eat and then will leave with lot of happiness." Gradually, these same people slowly started coming towards Sahaja Yoga again. One of the specialities of Nabhi Chakra is that there is blessing of Shri Annapurna in the hands of woman. And when Nabhi Chakra gets totally enlightened, even if there are thousands of people to partake food, it does not become insufficient. But there will be happiness. If people think, "How much has been prepared?", not much has been prepared but there will be happiness. Through your hand, the positive vibrations go into it and person starts eating with happiness. Lot of love emits from Nabhi Chakra within human being, lot of affection emits. The person does not understand, "What and how to give them? How to give them my love?" We do not ever even think. Love does not even come within us and even if it comes, we just cover up the love thinking whether it will be thought we are wanting something or nothing. As soon as Nabhi Chakra opens, the person is so much filled with love, he feels, "What should I give them?" or "What should be given?" He just opens up. He just opens up. He feels that brother has come and, "What should be done to make him feel good? What to give? How to give rest? What to do?" This is not artificiality. A person may become artificial to any extent, but he knows the artificiality of others also. How much a person is speaking artificially, and how much from within, is known to him. How much the person is conveying superficially and how much he is conveying from within, is then understood by the person. In our villages, there are certainly people who become very happy if you go near them, and if you want to make them very happy. Previously, such people used to be there, these days there is nobody like that. We know our father that the day on which he is very angry, when you go and tell him that, "I want to eat ice cream today" then he would be very happy. If you happened to tell him anything like this, he would become very happy. In olden days people were like this, to give their love, to play, to feed, and to give happiness. All this gave them a lot of happiness. The same thing comes so overwhelmingly within, I do not know how to tell people that enough is enough, "Now do not do anything to come closer." When people went to villages, just do not know what all they did for them. Whatever we could do for them, we did all that. Foreigners say that, "We never knew that there is so much of love in Indians." And I said, "Are you not like that? Even you have developed a lot of love." They have also developed love and you all also have. A revolution of love has appeared. We people, at the most love our own children, wife, or a few family members. And we do not even know the quantum of our love. Even in that we have our own choice. For instance, when our son comes back from battlefield, then we think from heart as to how to meet him. Similarly, in enquiring about health, how to meet. Same quantum of love even in ordinary meeting, "Oh, come, let us meet them. They stay here, let us see them. If they have any problem let us find out and help them. Anything else we can do?" Such type of things starts working from within as our happy vision gets a change totally. To give, brings happiness. To support somebody, gives happiness. Even if there are small requirements, a person volunteers to do it. He says, "Could this be done? That done? Can it be done this way?" The happiness we experience by this, cannot be compared to the present artificial calculation done for everything. This love, which surges from Nabhi, which enters our attention [chitta], is spread all over. This is so large-spread, happy and peaceful, that your health gets well just by meeting people. I have also seen such people who always get bored with people. If somebody visits them, they say over the phone, "Brother I am not at home, please go." They keep running. Then they will be running from morning to evening. Some people happen to be big bore also. Keep running, and after some time, they keep running from their own people also. They wonder what to do. Two people are sitting, both are friends. In between, they read comic. One reads one comic, the other reads the other, or they go to see a movie together. There is no connectivity in both. But Sahaja Yogis are not like that. They do not read anything. Nothing. When they are sitting together, peacefully enjoying sitting between themselves, "Oh brother, what are you doing?" "Nothing, just sitting." Cracking jokes between themselves. If somebody gets realisation – recently, we had been to Kolkata, we were staying in a hotel there. One gentleman came to hotel. Three to four people were with him, staying in different rooms. As soon as I put my feet, good vibrations started coming quite fast. These people came running and started saying, "Mother who was at your feet?" I asked, "Why?" They said, "Vibrations started coming from top all of a sudden." I said, "See this, they are inhaling its scent, enjoying it, 'Now, who is that person? What is his caste? What is his creed? Which village is he from? Which city is he from? Which country is he from? If he is getting vibrations on his back? Oh oh, what is the matter?' Now he is standing, taking pleasure. He is also having fun. These people also are having fun." Many times, you might have seen that those Sahaja Yogis who bring you to my feet, are enjoying you in their meditation. Again, I tell you, take pleasure in meditation. You started taking pleasure in these people. So, the pleasure a human being gets, is the essence on the returns of the earnings of the tattwa. It is not on the worldly belongings. Do you have big vehicles, do you have big buildings, a house, what will you achieve by all this? But the heart should be big and that heart, you will be surprised that, works from the Nabhi Chakra. That is why the Aortic Plexus many people say is the heart of the stomach. Many people call the Aortic Plexus as the heart of the stomach. It starts running from inside. This happens only after your realisation. When you receive lots of blessings of the Nabhi Chakra, you feel that you yourself was never such an enjoying person, "But now how have I achieved this?" You are not able to understand that. You think that you were always a boring person and that you always bore others always, "But now what change has come in me? I am enjoying myself and I don’t get even bored with myself now." Now if you are sitting alone, you are just sitting. You don’t feel now that you are getting bored, so you should smoke a cigarette. You just enjoy yourself by sitting alone. You don’t feel like doing different things. People usually get into various habits because they are bored. People get bored with themselves, bored with others. People don’t have any give and take anymore. If anyone is called at home then it is necessary that you have to feed them food. This is not required. Just sit together and enjoy each other’s company, give [eat] love and take love. The enjoyment that you earlier used to get in having food together and doing all useless activities, you enjoy more than that just by talking to each other, not even talking but just enjoying each other’s company. Like you never know since when you have met after you had split, you are now at peace together. This you get from your Nabhi Chakra. You get creativity from the Swadishthan Chakra. When the Swadishthan Chakra is enlightened within you the creativity within you increases. It means the same tree that you are seeing, you are seeing today, that you have been seeing since years, you could never see its beauty then. But after your realisation you yourself see that there are so many colours that have now come in the tree, it has got so much shapes. You start seeing beauty in all such things. The example of this is in the Zen system, the people following Zen system were also Sahaja Yogis. Viditama Saheb who started the Zen system had only 26 [twenty-six] realised souls. The only problem with Zen system was that there were not many realised souls because there was not the time. But if you read the Zen script, then for a roses flower or for a flower grown in the jungle, they have written poetries. It is so beautiful. But if a person is not realised soul, then they will not be able to enjoy the same. There they build a garden even for the moss and if you go to see it, it has been made with so much attention and beautifully. Only some sand would be placed and on top of that there will be some stones kept and they will ask you to guess what it is. I said, "This is nothing, this just like that." They make such things that take you into thoughtless awareness [Nirvichar] state and there are no thoughts. You are so happy that you become thoughtless. These are the different ways in Zen system through which they want you to get you into thoughtless state. The creativity sense within you comes from the Swadishthan Chakra and it brings a kind of dynamism in everything that you do. There are many Sahaja Yogis who have never given a speech or orated anything nor do they know how to give it. But even if small kids start talking it is so surprising that it seems as if Goddess Saraswati is standing there. They talk such things that it is surprising. You can listen to this small kid’s recording here, you will be surprised that a seven year old kid gives such lecture that you will be surprised as if it is Goddess Saraswati who is speaking. One gentleman from Panchan who later got his realisation, he said that he lost his job, "What should I do?" I asked him to do interior decoration work. He said, "Mother what are you saying? I have never heard about this." (The audio goes blank for six seconds here till 17 mins 01 secs). She is calling them, "Respect the elders." This is a small thing. Even if they have said something harsh, no one is so difficult to ask you to go to exile. Who will go to exile nowadays? No mother or father asks their child to go to exile. This no one will say. The only thing that they will say as a maximum is that, "Do not spend much. Don’t get into anything nonsense." If the father asks, "Why did you come late?", that is enough to create a disaster. We have lost our decency [maryadas]. Completely broken. If someone is elder or is at a higher position, nowadays even someone walking on the street will abuse anyone. For them it is not important to know who it is, what is the position that they hold. We only have elected them and put them on the pedestal. Anyone and everyone is abusing. Ears start paining, I am surprised that how can someone abuse someone elder to them. And it is done by big people, people who hold higher positions. It is as if all our decency has been lost. Assisting elders, giving respect to elders is so full of manners. And it was also in England, that those who are from big families used to talk to their fathers with their head bowed in respect. Manners show people’s special character, their nobility is seen, their knowledge is seen, their wisdom is seen. Insolence and insane behaviour by people, the way they behave and the kind of language they use, such language should never be used in front of children. In today’s times, there was a story which used to be told. There was a very interesting aunt used to narrate this story that nowadays the time has come that – as an example she used to say that – one gentleman with whom his mother used to stay and the daughter-in-law was very upset with the mother-in-law. And when the mother-in-law passed away, the father-in-law was alive and she use to never care for him. And she used to give food in an earthen pot to him which was used to feed the dogs. Then their child saw that the food was given in such a pot. He used to see that everyone else used to have in good vessels and for the poor grandfather the food used to be served in the earthen pot. One day the child was taking the food for the grandfather, he fell down, got hurt and the pot broke. Then the child started crying loudly. His mother asked, "Why are you crying so loudly, don’t worry, another pot will be brought, it is not a big deal." The child became quite and asked another pot will be bought right. The mother said, "Yes, it will be bought, but tell me why did you cry so much?" The child said, "I was thinking that when you become old, then in which vessel shall I serve food to you." These kinds of manners, children learn from us. The children are surprised. In this manner, even our ladies have given up their boundaries [maryadas]. Not being able to have connectivity with members of their family, their in-laws, their parental connections. Such strange feelings, the strange attitude grows within us, and if you want to see an example of this, you may go and see abroad. No woman accepts the person as her husband. Now, the poor husband comes home from office and he comes to know that his wife has eloped. Daily, such activities keep taking place. You may be surprised. There is no respect for anything. An eighty-year-old man can get married to a eighteen year old girl. An eighty-year-old woman can write a love letter to an eighteen-year-old boy. Tell me if anybody commits such a foolish thing here? People will comment, "What has happened to this old woman?" Because, what is the reason for that? When there is respect, then the person becomes perfect. See, there is a tree. If it exceeds the limit of its growth, people cut it thinking that its branches have started growing, they will not bear fruits. They cut the branches. Similarly, we also have to cut our such branches which have spread here and there, and keep them in limits, so that we can get seasoned completely. Maturity should come in us. This maturity can only be seen as an example, in Shri Ramachandraji. See what a mature personality he was. So much of balance was within him. What a mature personality he possessed. Whatever that can be told about him, is that much less. But his main quality was regarding how a ruler should be. Regarding sacrifice, how much he should sacrifice. Here is an example, and all rulers should observe regarding his wife, who herself was Adi Shakti. He knew that she was Devi. He separated from her, even under such a condition, when she was about to deliver baby. In order to give satisfaction to the people and the society, he made such a big sacrifice. Tell people, "You change your coat today", that also they will not do. Within us, in our conscience, when Shri Ramachandraji came about 8000 years ago, at that time, the thing enlightened us as to how the King should be. What should be the personality of a King. Actually, I will definitely say that on account of the mercy of Shri Rama, eminent Rulers existed in our country. Our heart swells up while taking the name of each individual. Rana Pratap, how sacrificing he was. Shivaji, and one king after the other came here. While taking the name of each and every one, people feel, "Wah wah, what a name have you taken!" In England and America, such things were very much less. But, there also, I can tell regarding Abraham Lincoln. He was such an eminent person, absolutely right in nature, perfect in his administration, follower of rules, and there was maturity in him and there was nothing dirty about him. He was a totally established, and a great human being. But now, America cannot make a person like him, neither can Russia do it. Somehow it happened, everybody’s respect was broken. The best achievement we did was that we broke our respect, and this we think as ‘independence’. There is a small thing to understand, for example, there is an aeroplane. It has to fly. It is kept in perfect manner. Yes, or no? Supposing it says, "I will not be in state of respecting the boundaries [maryadas]." Then, as soon as it starts flying, it will fall here and there. Everything you have to tie in a disciplined manner. Take for example, there is wheat, if you just spread it, nothing will come to the hands. You tie it up with discipline. The person who is not within boundary [maryada], it is difficult to move about with him. Which side, this person is going to sit and get up, is not known. He has no boundaries [maryadas]. He does not understand about mother, sister, nor about anything. Neither big nor small. When he will confront, "Come on brother", run from him. By talking like this, people think that, "We have talked quite smartly." Yes, what to say? I am surprised to see this debating. In Parliament also I have seen this. I used to feel very much surprised. How people can talk with each other like this, in a country where Shri Rama was born? There is a lot of kindness of Him on us. And the person in whom this is activated, he at once understands the boundaries ([maryadas]. It is like this even in our Sahaja Yoga. When people obtain this, they will by themselves acquire their boundaries [maryadas]. If people come sometimes, "Today, there is no time. Beta, do not touch my feet", that is all, they sat. There is no necessity to tell them. They will be just looking for signs. What they acquired out of this, what they have lost, and those who do not do like this, who have a behaviour like this for their parents, what did they achieve? It is the same for governance. In governance, if you people think that we shall live in undisciplined way, and Mother shouts and screams and create confusion, then you people are breaking the boundaries. What did you get out of it? What can you get out of it? People tell, go on strike. We have seen that most of the people who indulge in strikes, earn a lot of money, they put a lot of money in liquor. What a big achievement like making Taj, have they done on account of this? Acquiring things by breaking boundaries is very harmful. Being within limits also, we can achieve everything, and by breaking limits you cannot achieve anything because whatever you achieve, will also be without boundaries [maryadas]. The meaning of this, straight forward meaning of this is, if you acquire anything by breaking the boundaries, like think that there is a child, he has broken the boundary and took away the money from his mother and father, he becomes a waste. You just do it and see keep this in boundary and see it. I have seen that the person who is in boundary, rises to such high level, because his softness is his beauty. And his respect of boundaries only, in a way attracts you. The person who has no boundaries, you do not know how and when he will pinch you. Would you like to sit on a sharp stone? Then, why do you become sharp? The beauty of the person lies in his maintaining of his boundaries. The person, who has no boundaries [maryadas], has no beauty of any sort. It is said that in London or Western countries, people have said to have struggled. Have they broken their existing traditions, and after breaking, have they thought of making new things? And after breaking, did you start doing it? You started taking drugs. If you have any attraction, you have to break it. If you have any attraction there is a big difference between attraction and boundaries, you should be able to understand it. If you have any attraction, like Britishers had their empire on us, this was attraction on us. This should be broken. We should not endure slavery. But whosoever is in their boundary, nobody else is more free than him. He is in the boundaries [maryadas] in his freedom. Because he is independent, he is soft. The person who has sense of insecurity, and who always feels weak, he always dominates others. Shri Rama, whose name when taken, opens the Heart Chakra, his wife Sitaji is actually incarnation of Adi Shakti. She had taken other avatars after this. She had to go to exile [vanvas]. People think, "When she was such a great goddess why did she have to go to exile?" Such people never go to exile, etc. Wherever they go, they are there. For instance, today we are talking. Now I am here, we are talking. If not here, we are in London. What is exile? There is a pandal here, we are underneath this. If not, we are below the tree. For such people there is nothing like exile etc. Wherever they are, they will be there. For them, this atmosphere and such things are not of importance. Then, why did they go? It is important to note that they stay in their Raj Mahal. Why all this drama was made? Poor Shri Sitaji who had never walked bare feet, why was she taken bare foot at that time? There is a reason for this. In order to spread her vibrations, she had walked. When Shri Sitaji was walking, her vibrations were reaching everywhere, which reached country wide. The biggest of all tourists was Shri Ramachandraji, to the extent of even reaching places up to Bangkok etc., and coming back. All this was enacted so that he could go country-wide and reaching every place, he could leave behind his vibrations. The place where Shri Sitaji had her bath was made near Ravuri. I had gone to see it. It was evident from a distance only, that it was the bathing place. So much of vibrations were coming from that place, so much of vibrations were coming from that place, and the water was flowing such that we could not understand whether the water has flown from nature, from where it was coming; It is all strange. But the most important thing is about vibrations. This was really a way of distributing vibrations. If the vibrations had not been distributed at that time by them, we could not have held Sahaja Yoga today. Because even today people in India walk barefoot. In this country, every bit is vibrated. Perhaps you do not know if you get cleared. While coming from London, I bent down and saw. I told, "We are now in India." These people asked, "Mother how did you know?" I said, "See vibrations are visible. Vibrations are seen twinkling at small intervals." I said, "See it is visible." People also said, "Yes Mother, we are now in India. Vibrations are felt." On which earth are you sitting? The foot with which Shri Rama vibrated the Mother Earth, you are sitting on that earth. You try to obtain that Chaitanya. Whatever his sacrifice has been, it is just a drama for him. This is for sure. For him, there is no meaning in this. What is sacrifice and possessing for him? When he has not caught anything, where is the question of sacrifice by him? Whoever catches, he will only sacrifice. There is nothing like catching or sacrificing for him. But whatever he has done, it is preparation for Sahaja Yoga in our land of India [Bharath Varsha], to enable our people to obtain these vibrations. But the sad part of it is, leave alone Chaitanya, we have forgotten Shri Rama. Now, we have opened shops of them. One plastic photo of Shri Rama was obtained by them, they sat down with that. And they started offering Pooja. Some became rich, had lots of money and they said, "Come on brother, open a Shri Rama Mandir, by which our weight gets reduced, we have done something at last." One gentleman opened a temple somewhere. He was a very rich person. He brought an idol of Shri Rama and showed it. He asked me, "Mother, is this alright?" I said, "No, absolutely not alright." He asked, "Why?" I Said, "This is the idol of Shri Rama, and the Heart Chakra has a catch on the right. Meaning, it is against Shri Rama." He asked, "What was the diagnosis?" I said that the diagnosis was such that it shows that the person who has made it, had hurt his father very much. This is the diagnosis. You will be surprised that after one month it was revealed that the person was caught. He had murdered his father. The idol should be made only by such a person who respects husband or father like Shri Ramachandra. Otherwise, there is no permission for one who starts doing as per his likes. The person who has not served his father cannot make the idol of Shri Ramachandra. He has no right. But person who has served his father, who felt happy to keep his father happy, the idol made by such a person will be beautiful at any cost his vibrations and giving happiness will be complete. It may be even marble or soil, there is vibration in it. As soon as it is seen, people should also feel respect towards their father. Because Shri Rama is our father. He is like our father. When your chakra gets a catch, it means that either you are angry with your father, or not dutiful, or your father is no more. You feel sad regarding him. There is some or the other relationship with your father, and it could be also that you yourself are not a good father. The placement of father is on the right-side heart. If this side is not in order, many such meanings are revealed what was the state before it got upset. Meaning there are many types of things, like your father is no more which was all of a sudden and you are also frustrated on account of that. He may still be wondering could be you are behaving very badly with him, could be you are not a good father, could be that you father is no more, could be you did not understand the essence of father. This essence father somehow gives comfort from within us. What is the effect of this? If somebody gets pneumonia, your, this chakra gets affected. If somebody is affected with asthma, mostly this chakra gets affected. Astonishing thing is that there are two chakras wherein we see that it is connected with asthma. But mostly we see that in people, this chakra gets affected when there is sadness somewhere in father’s tattwa. To insult father based upon wife’s words, to insult father before his children or insulting your own children, to neglect your own children: all these things are seen clearly in this chakra. Now, this becomes so sensitive, let me tell you there was one sahib. He was very modern. His child was to be born. So, he got abortion done. He was asked, "Brother, why did you get this done?" Started saying, "We thought that if we had many children, we will be quite troubled. We will not be able to roam about. Now is the time for us to move about." What can she do at that time? And her chakras are so much caught, so much caught, that her going out has stopped. She felt uneasy. In the end, she had to ask for pardon. With great difficulty, this chakra has got released. So, this is such that reality comes forth. We have cured asthma of many people. We have cured twenty-five-year-old ailing from asthma problem. In this, if you understand the reason for the occurrence of asthma, as it is controlled by lungs. If somebody gets pneumonia, you will come to know that pneumonia has occurred, because the concerned chakra gets a catch vigorously and heat exudes from this. Now where will this chakra be seen on our finger? This is on the right side. Now on the left side also there is heart, and right in the middle also there is heart. Thus, three hearts are placed. Now, where the centre heart is placed, this is the place of Shri Jagadamba. We also call them Durga, Lalita, etc., who have taken their Avatar in this world number of times. And those people who search for Paramatma in Void [Bhavasagara], for them she takes the incarnation [Avatar] and protects everyone. So, her essence and her philosophy is protection. Now understand, if any woman feels a sense of insecurity, see how delicate the thing is. If any woman gets the sense of insecurity, if her husband is not good, runs here and there, from whose sake she is troubled, she will get breast cancer. She gets breast cancer, because the place of safety is vacant. There is sense of insecurity. Many men think to frighten women, scold them that, "You are suspicious, you are like this, that." If there is they should give up such thing. They should not think bad of them, frighten women or scold them that, "You are suspicious, you are this, that, etc." If woman is suspicious, they should not indulge in such thing. Because if you do anything forceful, her Central Heart gets catch, and she will get such problem. Such woman will not get milk to feed her children. It gets dried up. There is sense of insecurity. It happens even in men some times. Like, regarding career matters, if something happens, there will be palpitations. Soon after birth, where the thing called sternum bone is placed within, the said bone there develops antibodies in science. Antibodies are the soldiers of Shri Jagadamba, which develop. They all get spread in the body and stay on. And whenever a human being is attacked, these antibodies help them. But, if Jagdamba’s Tattwa gets weakened, these antibodies also become dry and stay out because their essence is from Durga Tattwa. You may be aware, whenever frightened, a person’s heart starts beating fast like ‘dhak, dhak’. Now in this matter, we have to say that [on Left Heart] it is mother’s place. In our country, people regard their mother very high. They respect their mother but do not respect the mother of their children. Because, she is the mother of our children, this is also a very important aspect. Till we do not give that status to the mother of our children, like what the place of our mother was, their mother also suffered and her children’s mother is also suffering. Then this chakra develops [blockages] and many serious problems take place. Like the hysteria problem. All this is attack on the left side. On the left side, whatever attack comes from the subconscious, fear suffered by the ladies, screaming, shouting, being frightened, nervousness, insomnia, feeling insecure, getting worried, feeling of fear, getting frustrated, feeling of fear all the time of something, being afraid, unable to come forward to perform any work, bowing down before any aggression, all these things happen. Many men also experience all this. When this chakra becomes dull, these poor things take big aggressions on themselves. It is also wrong thing not to take any aggression of others. You should be standing in the middle. You neither impose aggression on others, nor should you take any body’s aggression. When this chakra gets totally balanced, then you will be standing upright, because of the presence of Jagadamba, who is the mother of the entire world, who is the saviour of the whole world. She is your mother. Then what is the fear about? But you will not do any aggression. Then you protect the devotees. Then you will shine in your goodness. You will not be nervous. Many people will feel like, "Sahib, what should I do? I am feeling very much frightened. I am more honest than actually required. In my office, all are non-trustworthy. They will just gobble me up." But, when Jagat Janani awakens within, he will feel very great. He thinks, "Ok, these people are useless. At least, I am on the right track." He starts enjoying his virtues. We keep crying for our virtues. He does not feel frightened for his virtues, nor does he cry that, "I am so virtuous, and you are not." He does not even do that. Neither does he aggress, nor does he put any aggression on others, nor does he take anybody’s aggression. This way he gets a place in the middle. Now, this Middle Heart Chakra, is very important. If it gets spoilt, then sometimes, spondylitis occurs. These are small things. They have to be understood. Like, there is a girl, she is married. Her husband, if he makes her feel insecure, he should be made to understand, "See this is sin, it cannot be done like this." Do not pressurise, because the chakras of these ladies are specially very bad. Let me tell you, here ladies are very calm. They are very good. Because of these ladies, your status is like this. Otherwise, you see the men in England, their eyes somewhere, nose somewhere, face elsewhere. Can’t sit quiet even for a moment. They do not have decorum like you. At this age, they have 5 – 6 lines on the face, their eyes flutter, nose flutters, cheeks will be flying. Because his mother would have eloped with someone, wife would have run away with somebody. Even now, the women here are very gentle, irrespective of how their husband, children are. But she has not taken them to task, because if she does that, England will come away here. There women have put their husband in a strict condition. Absolutely. Such condition has been formed; men do not know how to live with such ladies. And this is not just one such, I have seen the state of all. From morning till evening, "Do this cleaning, wash these dishes, do that, you have not done that, you have not done that." No sooner than he came home, there work will be piled up for him. In our country, gents do not even know how to carry the broom in their hand. When they go out, they cry as to how to prepare food now, "We do not even know how to prepare curry. Which is the Dal use? We do not know." Women have carried a lot of burden on themselves in this country. The woman of this country is steady, great like Mother Earth, one greater than the other has been born. Take their names, like Noor Jahan, what a woman she was. Chand Bibi was there, Padmini was there. People would not believe that there would have been a special woman like Padmini. Over there, if some man followed a woman, there would be immediate disappearance. There nobody could understand that a woman could also take care of her chastity. These days, nobody can understand. You would be surprised that there are women who are interested to know how many men are running after them. Old women talk of such things, I feel surprised whether their wisdom has disappeared fully. I am telling you generally. Out of hundred, if you find one woman, who you think is alright, then you could say, "Yes, it is alright." As regards men, their condition has been made very weak. If a Hindustani gent has married a foreigner, giving up his Hindustani wife, his condition becomes worth seeing. He cries regarding his fate. As such it is not a good thing. But these great souls cannot be criticised by you. Keep up their respect, "Yatra nari pujyante, tatra ramante devatha", "Where a woman is fit for worship, and is worshipped, there reside the Devatha." In any of these countries, the status of woman is not like what it is here, meaning good. Here, as said, the status of women has not become as proclaimed and keeping in view, women here are not respected at home as required. Everywhere woman has become a big fool. These days, they have released some more things, "liberties." And what all has been released? "Lib": liberation? These ladies have horns coming out. They have become totally animal-like, totally become like donkey. They have no sense. To serve her husband, to take care of her children, is a great job. You will realise this when nobody does it. When children roam around on your streets, take drugs, and twelve-year-old child goes out and sells newspapers, thefts take place, and are killed. Our ladies have not been taught anything like this by anyone. Though not educated, they are very good and generous from within. Some are spoilt. Especially if she is westernised, then she will not understand anything. As it is, women are quite silly. There is nothing to learn from them. I have told you 100 times. And women [here] strictly do not have to learn anything from them. I have not seen [there] even one woman, who is equivalent to even the dust of our feet, wherein there is understanding, adjustment and the character. You should be very proud that you are the son of such a person who was righteous, and the husband of such a wife, who is person of good character. Because she is a person of character, she should be respected very much. But we people are having a new fashion, high respect for the women with bad character. If one characterless woman enters, everybody starts running after her. Do not know how such type persons were born in this country. They were never here before. In about last 25–30 years many such bull-type of people have been born I am telling you. In our days, young people used to lower their eyes and walk. They never understood who this other woman was. One’s own wife, means one’s own. But these days, the like of bull has come and on account of this bull, even your wife will become like a cow and not the kicking type. Now, this has to happen because you are after it. If not your wife, it could be your son’s wife. These are formalities. These have to be bound and have to be taken care of. And this is the place of your wife in the heart, the place of your mother. The most important thing is the heart on the left side, which catches thumb [Nabhi]. In our heart, on the left side, is the place of Shri Shiva. Shri Shiva is the light of Spirit, he is Sadashiv. Sadashiv is always present on our head. The reflection of that is within us and that is Atma, what we call as Atmaram. He rests in our heart. Whenever we work against our Atma, then this chakra sleeps off immediately. Consider those who are ego-oriented, who are very active on the right side, those who are ego-oriented work relentlessly like we have to do planning, have to do this and through this ego, have to execute a lot of work. Not after realisation, then dynamism flows from within. But in the beginning, it will be ego-oriented. Now, it will be overtaken there, now it will happen here also. This ego-orientation increases more within us, when our ego develops very much meaning, "We have become very big", then your Heart Chakra gets catched. That is how heart attack happens when person becomes ego-oriented. But we express a lot of sympathy on the person who has had a heart attack. We think that this person has suffered a heart attack. If you tell that person, he has got a heart attack, and ask him to lie down calmly. I have seen many people, there was a gentleman, who was about 90 years and he got paralysis. Those who work a lot, are controlled by paralysis. He suffered a paralysis attack – ninety years old. Went to meet him and he was giving all the statistics of shipping company. I said that this person does not know whether he can be alive for 2 days or not. His one side was damaged and he is talking through the other side, and he had by-hearted everything that he was speaking. I said I do not know what is going to happen to him. When a person does overplanning and thinks a lot and indulges in aggression, with this even God Almighty gets angry with him. It means that our attention should be only on God Almighty. It means your attention [chitta] is not on Spirit. You should be just the Spirit. Human being feels the difficulty in that, "If we do not see It, how will it work out?" One power, who is going to look after this, is sitting there. Alright, you do your work. There is no problem in that. But getting the fruit or not getting, there should be no involvement in that. But this is also a fact that till the work does not happen, the person cannot do it. Even then, I tell everybody, Shri Krishna has said, "Do not become overworked." Learn to take some rest also. At times try to take rest. Learn to take some rest every now and then. Whoever said, "Do not take rest at all", what great thing have they done, tell me? At least for some time, one should take some rest also and should remember the Almighty, the world Planner, Who plans for everybody, should be remembered. These days, scientists say that there is no God, negation of God. They have said it already. For such people, if their heart is not blocked, what else will it be. Meaning, when you have not given attention to this at all, you have sacrificed it. Then this thing is going to end. Heart attack happens on account of this. The most important thing is heart. If you can think from your heart, you will become very beautiful, and if you love your wisdom, you will shine like four moons [Char Chand’]. Everything happens from the heart. All the knowledge comes from the heart. You might be surprised with what I am saying. We do not get knowledge [Gyan] from wisdom, it comes from the heart. Whatever work you do, do it from the heart. If you want to read something, do it from the heart. If you want to do any job, do it from the heart. But you do it from the intellect, you are ego-oriented. But when you do from heart, then you will enjoy it always. The meaning of doing from the heart is that, the Spirit which is within, the Spirit [Atma] there, you are bringing it to use. Whenever somebody is talking to you, say if somebody is giving lecture before you, if he is not doing from the heart, then you will realise that there is some non-sense going on. There is nothing in this. By taking complete three and half chakra from heart, the mirror image of Kundalini will be completely like this. Till the matter does not settle in the heart, there will be no beauty and no fruit will be achieved. Whatever emerges from intellect, does not give any gain. You do everything from the heart. See knowledge also. There is a person, think that we have ardent love for you, so we know where your Kundalini is. Now you are doing hard work, even sitting at two in the night, because you are doing from the heart. How to get up? Becomes fully aware of you. There is mother, she loves her child very much. She knows minute details of her child. She knows everything. Whenever you do any work, do it from heart. You are a government employee, if he thinks that, "This work is of public, I am doing it from the heart." "My heart desires it. Without this, I will not like it." There will be no impact. But when this thing breaks down, then the Spirit disappears, and then there will be death. This does not mean, those who do a lot of work are big sinners, but blind also. Do work, but do it from the heart. The work which you do, if it is not from the heart, it is of no use, there is no gain in that, and from this, there will be no comfort to anybody. You may create a mountain, everything is plastic. Now, you only think whether you do all your work in the office, from the heart. Many people do the work because they get money, have to do. What to do, have to perish? You have to play the drum hanging on to your shoulder. Then what fun will be there? Otherwise, there will be so much of fun, that even you are maybe standing in hurricane, you feel the pleasure in fighting that you are fighting with your heart. Because the heart itself is happy. The stotra of happiness is your Spirit, your soul, and you are not going to get happiness from anywhere else. When your Atma feels happy, then alone you will experience happiness in all these things, and the word called frustration will go away from you. In this manner, I have told you about three chakras, which is called Heart Chakra. This is also called Anahat Chakra. (Someone from the audience was talking - this is not clear.) Shri Mataji asks: "Did you say something?" 'Anahat' means ‘without percussion.’ Because the speed in the heart, the essence by which we are alive, its sound comes without any percussion, comes without any disturbance, on account of which we call it 'Anahat'. When Kundalini awakens and when chitta covers it, at that time even in Kundalini, the heart awakens and it speaks. You can see that it’s "Dhak, Dhak, Dhak, Dhak", can be heard by you. You can also see with stethoscope the rise of Kundalini. And when it reaches the peak, then Kabir has said, "On empty tower, the heart sings." Means reaching here, the Anahat has started parlaying instrument, "I have arrived." And when this Anahat breaks here, then the person becomes Realised. I will explain Pranav, Anahat, Aum, Adi later. Now I have spoken to you about three chakras. It is quite late now. I want some of you… (The audio has gone blank from 56 mins 32 secs to 57 mins 08 secs which is the end of the speech). End of speech.

3/16/1979

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Vishuddhi Chakra

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Vishuddhi Chakra (Hindi). Delhi (India), 16 March 1979. [Hindi to English Translation] All the people in the world are looking at us, thinking through India only they will get their salvation until then they won’t get realization. But we cannot even have a simple attitude. Yesterday I told you that I will be telling you about Sacchidanada who is the same as Shiva and who resides in our heart but today I am thinking that I should tell you that after I finish talking about all the chakras; in the end. That will be good. Although you should keep your attention on the heart from beginning to end; just by putting your attention there, all chakras get healed by themselves. Above the three parts of the heart chakra, is a very important chakra, it is called Vishuddhi Chakra. Vishuddhi Chakra! This chakra is right behind our throat area. Now you can not say that it is exactly behind the throat area as it is a very subtle thing it is likely to be a little up or down in the throat area. Just as human nature and their form vary, similarly the placement of their chakras is. A little bit here and there. Sometimes it could be as big as an inch. That’s why you can never say that it is exactly there. I have noticed for some people it is little up for some little down and for some it is even more down. But for now, you must know Vishuddhi chakra is here, right here, behind the throat area. This chakra is very important for human beings. For animals, this chakra is not that developed and mature. Understand this very well that human beings originated from this chakra. Shri Krishna resides in this chakra and his power is Radhaji. Radha, Ra meaning power and Dha meaning the one who seeks discretion. Krish means the one who does farming. He is a farmer and he did farming on all of you. He sowed seeds in you. He sowed the seed that first you know what joy is, what god is, what supreme power is. He sowed the seeds that’s why he is known as Krishna. This chakra took place in humans when Krishna lifted his neck all the way up. You know that the animal’s neck is always down. Then there is a category of animals like monkey, chimpanzees where their necks are a little high. But no other living being has the neck as high as a human being. Only because the human’s neck is high, their independence could be established. And why is that, let me tell you. Because of this Vishuddhi Chakra, the two balloons’ ego and superego develop. In animals, their shape goes this way and again this way and it then goes downwards. So whatever Chetna or light they get it bends towards the earth. But with human beings neck high up, he started feeling a lot of responsibilities on himself, and now whatever work he does, his ego develops. Now people are very afraid of this word ego or ahankar. By ahankar or ego I don’t mean the feeling of pride. These two are very different. Feeling of pride is there in everyone and everyone should have it. If they do not have that they are like animals. We also get a feeling of the superego, it comes from the left side and comes right here; we have fontanel bone here, it comes right here. And ahankar (ego) also comes from the left and comes here. Now you see when it goes up, the left goes to the right and the right goes to the left. As it is shown here. It starts at Vishuddhi chakra. If your throat is not well, the doctors would give you medicine for it, they will tell you that your throat is not well. If your right Vishuddhi is caught, which is the seat of Rukmini Ji, where vitthal-Rumini resides, that chakra can be treated with medicine. But if your left side is caught, it can not be treated medically. Because left Vishuddhi leads to Prati ahankar or superego. You get it because of conditionings. Whatever conditioning you have leads to that. Now there is a little child, who is with his mother, drinking milk from her, is joyful. Now as the mother wants to change the child as I told you, the child develops ego. He thinks why is she troubling me. Why she interrupted, why she disturbed. But when the mother says “be quiet, don’t do this'' that leads to conditionings in the child; good conditioning or bad conditionings. That leads to the superego in the child. And whenever our right side, our Pingala Nadi is activated and speeds up, works; it leads to the ego in us. And when the left channel activates and speeds up, we develop superego. When both the things speed up and overlap each other, the child is around a year old. At that age this space gets all filled up and “ we are different” this feeling develops in the child. We can say, it is an ego feeling that I am different from you. In the English language, it is called the “I” ness. We all become different. We think this is my name, that is their name. If you talk to small kids, they always talk as the third person. They would not talk like the first person that “I am going”. Like I asked Munna, will you go or not? He said Nani (grandma) this Munna won’t go, he is very stubborn. They will talk as the third person as they are not related to the name Munna. He cannot identify with the name, he will always talk as the third person. That he won’t listen, he is very stubborn as if Munna is someone else, and I am not him, I am separate from him. But as the child grows, these two things grow more and grow deep and he keeps getting away from this divine power. Now animals are one with this divine power but they are not aware of this as they do not have that awareness. Now you understand this difference that just so you become aware, God put it this way, in a shell. He put this different awareness in you. So that you seek God in your freedom, You seek goodness and then you believe in what you find. That’s why this kind of arrangement was made. Now you will say what was the need for this. People say that God should have directly given realization to people. If an animal was directly made into a man and was given realization, then there would have been no question about it. But God is responsible for the evolution of all living beings and they function according to their nature. For example, a scorpion would not walk like a tiger, a snake won’t walk like a lion. Their nature won’t change and they will function based on their nature. Whatever you condition them to they would function like that. They get conditioned with their environment and they live accordingly. But human is the only kind who will have jackal in him, a tiger in him, snake in him, lion in him, monster in him, and also God in him. Because humans are free. He is the only one who is free. If he wants he can be righteous or evil, become a scorpion, or may roar like a tiger. God gave you this freedom because you cannot know God without this freedom. You have to find God in this total freedom. By being hypnotized you cannot know God as it cannot be forced on you. You have to say this in your freedom that “I want to know God” and because of this, the image of your brain becomes triangular. Animals’ brain image is flat. You see there is a triangle here. And because of this triangular shape, all powers flow in a quadruple manner. Because just like it happens in the prism, like a pyramid similarly the brain becomes. That’s why all four of these powers start flowing in it. As I said The three powers are Ida, Pingala, and Sushumna and in the back, we have what we have gained so far as human beings is the central nervous Sushumna system. The reason these four powers start flowing is us just like a pyramid as you see, which has three sides which has an apex. It has one top, which Kabir has called Shoonya Shikhar. Kundalini passes through it and sits in the triangular bone. When a human dies, this same kundalini circulates on top of his head. It exits from the top of the head and it guides him. And the spirit is also with it. That kundalini, that spirit, and all our four elements out of which the water element slowly reduces, earth element reduces, and in this way, the living being gets ready to go to the Mrityu Lok (death place). And this freedom that God has given us and how we use it is pretty evident. We use it in a strange way. When the ego and superego are in balance and when you are dharmic (righteous) in your void then we don’t even know when kundalini rises. And the man gets to awakening in a moment. In a moment. And he doesn’t even know that he is awakened. Just like I told you today that when you travel in a very smooth aeroplane, you don’t even know that you are in a plane. They are very fine planes, you don’t even feel you are traveling in them. But when you do not use your freedom wisely; First you understand how we do not use our left channel freedom properly. These days it is a business to print books. And what does it need; printing press. And you all have money these days. They print books after books on every subject especially religion and God. They wrote thousands of books. Most of these books are unauthorized. Totally unauthorized. During the times of Guru Nanaka, he felt that all kinds of men are printing. He understood that. So he made Guru Grantha Sahib (holy book of Sikh people) using books of only realized souls of that time. He said not to read anything else. Whatever is written in it, follow that. But you all know how they manipulated this Grantha. Bible was written, it was manipulated. Kuran was written, it is also manipulated. What happened. We were supposed to get good conditionings from these books but we rather gained bad conditionings. It is like that. Although you can not find faults in them. Now one of the Nanaka bhajan which says “Kahe re ban khojan jaye।” in which he has said that “Kahe Nanak bin aapa chinai, Mite na Bharam ki kai”. Now, what more could he have said in a poem? Meaning, he said a simple thing that get your self-realization. Now can you say anything more than that? But now these people keep chanting and doing these akhand paths. I am telling you that no one wrote more clearly than Nanak Sahib. But people are saying “bin aapa chine bagair nahin hota”. Its like you have a headache and I prescribe you a medicine say Onsain. That you take Onasin for your headache. And here they start chanting “take Onasin, take onasin”. Will that chanting treat your headache. Actually there is no more need to write any more clearer. Yes, Krishna played diplomacy in Geeta; that also I will tell you what he did. And that way by continuous chanting we spoil our Vishuddhi; left Vishuddhi. This is conditioning. Some people are very habitual of chanting mantras. One gentleman came and said that I say Gayatri Mantra. “ Who asked you to do that? “. He said, I read a book, he started talking. But I am saying you read the book. Who wrote it, what you read and who told you that you need the gayatri mantra. “Why are you chanting the Gayatri mantra? You don't even understand what gayatri is and I chant gayatri mantra”. Even with me he was speaking gayatri, he couldn't be quiet. Best example of this is hare rama hare krishna people. They misbehave so much on Oxford street. How shameful it is; they don't know how to wear a dhoti or saree. They buy dhotis and sell them. They take money from everyone and make big hotels and they are running them. Whatever they want to do, they do, I don't care. But this day, night chanting is giving them throat cancer. And then they come to me to get cured. They tell me mother, we are only chanting Krishna’s name and you are also saying that Krishna resides in our throat area then why are we suffering? Who gave you the right to misbehave there on Oxford street and behave in this cheap manner. Is he your servant? Then you get throat cancer. Then I don't understand how I cure them. Mantras are like this; until they are enlightened; until they are alive. You will be sitting with dead stuff. Then it's sure that your Vishuddhi chakra will throw it. Now Radha-Krishna mantra should be said in Vishuddhi Chakra but the mantra should be enlightened. How will it be enlightened? If only a realized soul has asked you to do that. Even they will not ask you to do it if your throat doesn't need this. You have an upset stomach and you're taking Radha Krishna’s name, why ? Because we live in Vrindavan. Now tell me...With any kind of mantra chanting left Vishuddhi gets caught. Because it is not a proven mantra, that's the fine point. Now tell me, these days it has become a business to receive a mantra; find a guru. Now I am asking a simple question: why do you need to get a guru if you want to get a mantra, any donkey can give you that. Why do you need a guru for that? And why do you need to give money to them? They made millions of rupees just by selling mantras. Do you know, millions of rupees! Not sure if the government has rules, I don't know these laws and rules, to ask what are you selling here, these mantras. To give mantras is to only give bhoots. They make a bhoot sit there in that mantra’s name. I told you yesterday also and today also I am telling you, that all mantras are big knowledge. The one who knows it is only knowledge rest all is avidya. But what mantra has to be given, one should be knowledgeable to do that. The one who himself is characterless and who keeps an eye on other people’s money and lives like a parasite. To take anything from that person is very sinful. Mantra now became a half thing. People give money to buy mantras. When you go there, you will see they have big donation boxes in the name of service. It is done in the name of Seva. Now what to calculate here. This is for service and we are doing it for service. Service to these people who practice bhoot vidya, and take advantage of you. They give you a mantra to rest and your chakra where Sri Rama resides gets caught. Two chakras get caught. At Least with Sri Krishna’s mantra only one chakra gets caught. But it gets caught so badly that you get throat cancer. It is very dangerous. Similarly gande-daure (the rudraksha beads necklace), now the ganda from kashi, they are roaming around wearing it in their neck. This is a very sensitive thing, a very subtle thing. You must understand. You will not see more evil people than these necklace selling Kashi people. All the Pandas in Kashi are devils, maha rakshas they are. All followers of Kansa are sitting there. And you guys take these ganda-dauda, tavijs from them. All the God’s people who came on earth, All prophets or any incarnation have they ever given these ganda-dauda-tavij to anyone? And you take them from these pandits who you should not even be looking at. By mistake if you see them, wash your eyes. If you see them in the morning, the whole day will be bad. I had said last year that one day Gangaji will eat them up. And that's what happend. I saw on BBC that all were running with their stoles. Sahaja yoga doesn't only mean that you will have a union within. It is a revolution. Who gave them the right to sit at God's door. Until they have purity in them, they don't have rights to sit in the temples. What is there in these temples? People will ask that Mother are these temples right? Yes, they are right. From under the earth and from the earth element they are powered. This is the truth. There is no lie about it. For example, Ashtavinayak temple, Jyotirlinga are all true. But to put a statue there, is not right. Even the stones of Kaba are like Shiva. They are also Swanbhus. They have vibrations. In olden days, the saints used to tell by vibrations if anything is Swambhu. There is a small place called Musalwadi, we have a big sahaja center thereIt is a very big, very nice centre. It is a small village though. When I reached there, people told me that “ Mother there is a place here from where some have come out. It is during the British times when they wanted to build a dam here. They tried very hard to build a dam here but every time they would put soil there, the soil would come flying back in a different direction. And whoever dumb people would take the soil, they would faint. They just couldn't put soil in there. People gave up. They asked people what’s the matter. A saint came there, he said there are many beautiful vibrations flowing from here. This is a really pure place. Do not touch it. I saw that place with my own eyes. Instead of the dam they made a big round there and left it like that. And they made the dam at a different spot. This place has to be seen with our own eyes. When I saw the vibrations there, it was a lot. Adishakti did it there. And that's why in Musalwadi our Sahaja centre is also very successful. There are tremendous vibrations. But to understand them one must be a realized soul. Without realization how will you understand what thing has vibrations and what doesn't. I told you about an incident in Kashmir. Let me tell you again. I went to Kashmir and at one place I got a lot of vibrations. Then I asked the driver, “ is there a big temple or something? Do they worship someone? He said not here but two miles from here there is a worship place for Muslims, they call it Hazratbal. Even now as I talk about it, it gives me vibrations. There is the glory of Muhammad. I get goose bumps just taking his name. Taking Nanak Sahib’s name too pours me with vibrations. Then I asked him to take me there. I have to go there. My husband said who will let you in there? I said Lets go we will see. Surprisingly no one stopped me, I went somewhat inside. So these kinds of places should be there and you should feel them. That you can only feel once your spirit is awakened. Until the spirit is not awakened you cannot understand Dharma. Neither can you understand God. Now can you understand the all pervading power. Now see here you feel that there is some picture or something here, but you cannot see it. You put TV here, you get pictures on TV. Similarly when you are connected you start getting vibrations. Everything is all pervading power but until now you don't have its knowledge, its understanding. That's why talking about it is a waste. All waste. To obtain that power, to get dissolved in it. Man is so incomplete without becoming the spirit; no matter what he will do, nothing would change him. Now on this Vishuddhi chakra, God almighty himself came in the form of Shri Krishna who is Virat. When Shri Krishna came on this earth then all the powers of Virata were manifested. As I told you Shivji’s work is to give us existence, give us identity, which is done through the left channel. And Brahmaji's work is to create. Shivji doesn't incarnate, he incarnated once, but he doesn't. And that incarnation was equal to no incarnation. Brahmadev incarnated once, you will be surprised in the form of Hazarat Ali. No one could identify them. Muslims didn't recognize him. Just once Brahmadeva took incarnation. And only Vishnu incarnates, Vishnu tatwa incarnates. He is the only one who can get out of the illusion of Bhavsagar through many incarnations. He is the one who comes many times on earth and guides you. He is your leader. It is because of this tatwa, you are evolved. This is the evolutionary element of this revolution. You became human from the amoeba because of him, because he is the bearer of Religion. They change the dharma of all things and eventually change the dharma of humans. This is your human religion. But human religion is only attained once his spirit is enlightened. Now at this Vishuddhi chakra, humans get connected into the virata relationship. Like you put your hands towards me. Keep your hand like this. Now from this hand this channel goes here and goes here into Vishuddhi Chakra. Now you see the human hand and the animal hand is very different. There is no difference in animals' hands and legs. Human hand is so beautiful and intricate. And there is such beautiful artistic workmanship. We never understand this. Taken for granted. This hand is so amazing, if man wants they can do amazing things with this hand. But we made this hand dirty. The hands God made to enjoy the bliss and happiness we use these hands to kill others and torture others. We do all bad deeds with these hands. And these hands first connected with Vishuddhi Chakra. Now this is a fine thing, try to understand. Our relation with the divine. Virat is a primordial being. All powerful. And we are actually its nerves, capillaries, muscles and bones. When man is realized then he becomes one with the divine, not before that. Just like your nail, even if you get hurt at the outside edge of the nail, you wont feel anything, It just separates. Similarly until a man is awakened he cannot get realization. He doesn’t have any awareness of the divine in him. They might get a glimpse here and there. Now the people who do social work, because of these glimpses think that until society is not auspicious or benefitted they won't progress either. Please wait. Everyone will pay attention there as both of their attention is not stable. Don't give any bandhan etc. People soon start roving their eyes. Stabilize your attention and listen. It is very hard to have a stable attention in modern times, we have to be very stable. Then only we get some outcome. Then also most people get realized so please stabilize your attention. When a person gets enlightened, he gets connected to the God almighty. But before that he gets its glimpses. Like one thought will rise and drop, another will rise and drop, meaning we can see the rise of the thought but we can not see when it drops. When a thought rises we are on one channel but when it drops then we go to the other channel. This gap between one thought and the other is called Vilambha. This is the place that needs to be held upon the awakening of the kundalini. One thought rose, it ended, it went into the left channel. When the thought arise we are in the right channel. We jump between the thoughts. One thought is thrown in the left, another is thrown in the left. But the gap between is the present. We have it very little in us. Vilambha has very short space in us. That's why we are always thinking about the future. Sometimes we think of the past, sometimes the future. But the space in the middle, we fail to catch it. Both these things rise in us from the Vishuddhi chakra. This happens from Vishuddhi chakra. Vishuddhi is its controlling point. But we also keep making ego and superego from Vishuddhi chakra. To be one with the divine, Mohammed sahab has said to keep your hands like this. All namaz is like that. Because all the five fingers have five centres. If you take the book, you will know what I am talking about. This finger has Swadishthan chakra which is shown here to you. This is Swadishthana chakra. It starts from Mooladhara, here Swadishthan, here nabhi, here anahat and now here is Vishuddhi. Krishna used to have a Sudharshan chakra in his hand. This is Vishuddhi chakra, this is agnya and this is sahasrara. This way a man’s destiny is in his hands. Their whole picture is in their hands and also in their feet. But there is a difference between hands and feet. I will tell you later about the feet. The hands are like this. When you keep your hands like this, then the left and right sympathetic chakras that are. Understand this; this is left and this is right, there are two sympathetic systems. When they rotate like this, and when they rotate too much, they break. There are deities in these chakras. Even if you rotate them too much they will break. If they break too much, humans break. As he breaks he separates. And when the Vishuddhi chakra breaks, humans become arbitrary. Now if a man is ego oriented then his ego keeps growing. And when the growth makes it too big then he loses connection with the divine. He loses his sensitivity. He just thinks that he is everything. This is madness, you don't know madness. To have an ego is also a madness. But people who have ego don't know it. Let me tell you jokes, what happens. Once Jawaharlal ji himself went to a lunatic asylum, there one person started misbehaving with him. They said don't do this, do you even know who he is, do you recognize him. They said he is Jawaharlal ji, our prime minister. This person then said , he will be alright, I also used to say this. Another is this PA story. So once they went to meet some Minister, there, a PA was jumping too much. He was not talking to anyone properly. They asked why are you jumping so much. What's the matter, why are you so angry. He said you don't know I am PA. Then they said we didn't know if you are PEEYE or not (Drunk in Hindi). Please forgive us, we are going home. This is just like monkeys, They really become monkeys. You must have read in Ramacharitramanas (Indian Mythological book) that Narad saint once became egoic and how he became like a monkey. In the end how his ego was treated. So when a person becomes ego oriented then god only save them. If they are coming from this route, you take another route because they are always on a horse. They don't really see anything. So they think that no one is better than them. He becomes arbitrary as if all gods left him. He runs alone, I will do this, I will do that. Hitler is a very good example of this. He thought no one could do better than me. I do all the good. If I finished all the jews then I did a very big moral work. If I killed them in gas chambers, I did good moral work; If I helped Germans rise I did a big religious work. He won't understand, he gets blind, he gets arbitrary. He becomes malignant like a cancer cell. We get cancer also because of this. Cancer is always forming and deforming within us. I just showed you so whichever route gets faster, left or right sympathetic, so because of this fastness all the deities of that channel go to sleep. Then you are separated, do what you want then. Now those cells are malignant. If a person is too hyperactive, he can get cancer, because he is too busy in work affairs. He was not connected with God during his work. He got disconnected. As he separates, he can get cancer because his cells become malignant on their own. In England, In the west, everyone is on their own. Even an 11 year old kid is on their own. Just as the child is born, the parents leave the baby in a different room. They make dogs, cats sleep in the room. They make the baby sleep in a different room. They love their pets more than their kids. It's very strange there. Everyone there is on their own. We also think that we should be on our own. This is a very wrong thinking. People think that you are spoiling your kids. Kids should be given a lot of love. They should be loved. The child who gets his parents' love, is loved by all the people in the world. Everyone loves them. The Child should not have bad habits. One gentleman was such, he said, my son is 12 years old. I am a very free person, I told my son to do whatever you want. I gave my son a beer bottle and asked him to call his friends, do what you want to do. I told him what really! They have to be taught religion. If you teach him values, his left side will be alright. He will have good conditioning. Froyd says don't teach them anything. Because he did not see the other side. If nothing was taught, their ego increased. Good values should be taught to Kids. It's a waste to teach values to adults. Look at our children, what values they have. It is very important to teach value to small kids. That's why keep your children in your home and teach them good values. If the child is alright in childhood, he gets realization faster. The person who grows up without parents, that person may be a very nice and famous person in the outside world but if you go to his house then his wife or his kids will tell you that he is a very strict person. He is strangely uncanny. That's why kids should be given a lot of love, so their ego and superego is in place; in the proper place. There should be a balance. To become egotistical is different from what I said, this egoic thought that I will show this to the world, only I can do it. You seperate yourself from the divine. That's why I am saying God is there, Shri Krishna is also there. Give it in their hands a little bit. They will do it. See how he does it. This is very hard for a human. Either they will be lethargic or they will be very egoistic. Until you are in the center, it won't be alright. It doesn't mean you stop working. Actually the one who believes in God works the most in the brahma. If you look at me you will say, Mataji you work so much, You work so hard, you do this. I don't even know that I do the work. If you see Sun he changes colour in each and every leaf, if asked sun will say I don't know if I am doing this. I am resting in Akarma. This is happening through me, happening on its own. It is most implemented. Giving example of Sun, I am talking of this Surya nadi only. Same thing Shri Krishna told us. Shri Krishna also told us in Geeta to stay in Akarma. Akarma meaning you are active from outside but inactive from inside. But have heard people give lectures on Geeta. गीता प पाच सौ ट का हो शयार स पढ़नी चा हय( unclear). Because even to understand Krishna one has to be realized. I have written many. But no one has ever understood Krishna. Krishna was the most ancient diplomat. He understood, Human won’t get it in a simple language. Humans are crooked. If I tell him anything straight, he will not listen. That's why he first hand told Krishna to be sakshi (witness). He did not say this later, he said this beforehand. First thing he said is to attain God, you attain his knowledge, it is all done here. He said that you have to be enlightened. Be a witness. Now this is ignorance. They asked this, Here you are saying to attain God, to become a witness and there you are saying to go on the war. How come both these things synchronize. To go on war, to be witness, to attain God, don’t understand this. Krishna sensed this, that Arjuna who is the superior of all can't understand this then what about others. Then he said Geeta. Now there is big diplomacy here, let me explain to you that. Suppose a son is trying to ride a Chariot, the chariot is in the front and the horse is at the back. Then the father as he comes out, will say, son bring the horse in the front and the chariot in the back. He will say that I am going to ride like this, how is this that I ride also and I have to be in the back seat; to bring the horse in the front too and ride too. Then the father understood that his mind is not alright. Then he said that, ok keep on hitting the chariot but keep your attention on the horse. Now see, what people say about our actions, it is a very subtle thing, to be understood. You understand this. Keep doing actions or work but leave its outcome on God. This is a very diplomatic thing. This is an absurd condition. Diplomacy is practiced best when you put an absurd condition out there and the person gets trapped in it. This can never happen. Until you have ego in you, this can never happen that you keep working and leave its outcome on God. Yes, people will say Mataji, whatever work we do, we leave its outcome on God; this is a lie; this cannot happen. Because your ego is intact there and superego is also intact. You will say Mataji, I read a book and it affected me. This cannot happen. If not for 2 or 4 people , it will happen for 1 or 2 people because you have superego and ego. Now they put an absurd condition. Now they will say, we work so much but we leave all the outcome on God but people say he is such an egoistic person that God only save us. So to leave things on God is a happening. This is a spontaneous happening. When the Kundalini pierces the Sahasrara, then it happens, before that it doesn't happen. Now after realization, this is how people talk, you see. Mother, this is going, this is coming, he is getting it, he is not. Kundalini is stuck. Third person talking starts. No one says I am doing this, I cured his disease, I am fixing their chakras, no one says this. Now their chakra is caught, now it's open. They talk in third person language. You notice that. If your own son doesn’t get realization, then not. No one will say that he is realized. Here it's actually the opposite, If he is my son then give him everything in the world, other’s son let them die. Even if you want you can't give it to your son. Because even with that desire one can understand. If kundalini is not rising then what to do, when if he is your son; what can be done if it is your son. I went to America, One Gujarati went with me, his wife said to me Mataji please give realization to my son. I told her, what are you saying, if he gets realized, he does. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t . You know this. She said No Mataji, please give him realization. It's your will. I told her that I have no will, you know that. Why don't you have that will. If it works, it works. When we reached there, this boy did not get realization. She became very sad, Mataji, he didn't get realization. I said son, you give her the certificate that he is realized. You are realized too. He said how can I give a false certificate. I said that is what, In Sahaja Yoga you cannot give a false certificate, even if it's your son. These people teach falsehood to the child. They keep making treasure for their child. This way you cannot grow. Here no son or anything works, no relationship works. Only relationship with God works. The One who has relation with God only can get realization others don't. You also need to have some good past karmas. If your son does not have any good past karmas then nothing can happen. You just leave it, leave it. When it has to happen, it will happen. You can’t force it. The same thing happens with Karmwad. ( The principle where work is the highest principle). When Krishna said do the work and leave the outcome on divine, it just cannot happen. He put this absurd condition. Are you able to understand this? It is a deep thing. Because till date we have been told to do your work and leave the outcome to God. Everyone started singing bhajan about it. Do the karmas and leave the rest on God but how? The God almighty said, Shri Krishna was like a father, let it be like this for some time. This was told six thousand years ago and you guys are still chanting this. But I am a Mother. Mother says it's enough. They should know the truth that this is not possible. This is all a lie, leave all this. What's in it. Because a human follows a lie first that is the quality of a human, it's less likely that he follows the truth. If I put two horns on my head and have a band party with me , then many people will gather here. Everyone said they don't take any money, they must be useless. It will be a waste, Mataji doesn't even take money. She doesn't have anything still she doesn't take money, what will she give then if she has no money. She is very naive. She is married, has children. She doesn't even wear saintly clothes, nothing, then what will she give you. Until you bear a lie, humans don't believe in you. That's why Krishna had said, leave all the fruits of your karma on God, this cannot happen. That happens only after realization. After that you don’t take credit for any work neither you keep accounts of your deeds. Now if someone will ask me, Mataji, how many people have you fixed. I said, I don't know. Today one lady came and was upset with me, she said we don't even know how many people come here and go, how many are there? I said I don't know, now should I keep accounts of how many people I gave love to. I don't know. You people understand love right? We don’t keep counts of bites we feed to the numerous kids. So when it is a work of love then there is no favour. I love that's why I work. And in that process if you feel you are getting something then I am actually benefiting. When you are part and parcel of Virata, you are actually my fingers. If I get hurt in the finger and if I rubbed it, then am I doing favour to anyone, I am doing favour to myself. If I don't rub it and fix it then where will I go? There is no question of favour here. They say, do favours for everyone. These are such illusionary ideas people have. There are many philanthropic institutions, there everyone's Vishuddhi is caught. Who are you to do favours? They made a building, Gave food to hungry people. But who are you, you can't even make a seed grow. If you ask someone to say that, tell people that you are not doing but God is doing it. Then they will say it but it will be ego oriented. They don't mean it. That can’t be said until you are realized. One should believe that. Meaning, you ego will always be there, sitting subtly. Sometimes it's even in the roots. One gentleman publishes a lot of his books, and in those books , even by mistake they misspelled his name, his father, forefather will come to fight. Many such things humans have made that pamper your ego. Now there is a book called, “Who’s who”. They will call them and say we will publish your name in the book. He will say, wao my name is being published. Then they will say, Send 100 pounds and we will publish your name. He will be very happy that my name is written in Who’s who. They made a fool out of you and you got trapped by your ego. You did not even understand this. This is how all philanthropic work is. Because the one who did this is also trapped and the one for whom it is being done is also trapped. Now you will say Mataji, should we stop all this philanthropic work?, every one asks me this. Since you are asking I will tell you, to actually stop all this work. And use your energy in Sahaj work and get people realized. Leave all philanthropies and get people realized. You can heal people from diseases, immediately disease gets cured. They are sitting here, ask them, you can be cured in a second. After coming is Sahaja Yoga, they say any kind of disease can be cured. Except for two or four, that I have seen do not get cured. Most diseases here get cured. Then why are you holding on to Philanthropies. But you can not charge money here. Doctors can work here. If you have some mental problem, some brain related problem or maybe you are really crazy still you can come in Sahaja Yoga. You madness gets cured. Many mad people got cured. If you are not at peace, you are worried, You can not sleep; Now yesterday a lady came to see me, she sat here for half an hour. Do you know she hasn’t slept in so many years and she is an MD. And she fell asleep here, such sound sleep, she then said let me sleep here only. This all can happen in Sahaja Yoga. Now the time has come to obtain all this. But there is no sense collecting ego within us. Although you can’t see it from outside. Some people are very humble, when you see them from outside, But the subtle ego within them does not let the kundalini rise and it breaks it again and again. You rise it, it again comes down, it keeps coming down every time you rise it. It can’t go very fast. But once you get realized properly, we have people here who have given realization to thousands of people and helped them. Thousands of people. Just by keeping their hands like this, giving vibrations, by fixing their chakras. That's why Krishna has said Leave the outcome of your work on God, where else can you leave. This is such a condition; who will you leave it too. Because I am not even doing it, it's flowing through me. You also say that It is coming in me, you do not say that I am taking it. You do not say that I am bringing it in me. Those words disappear, I and etc. It becomes, it is happening, not happening, it is working etc. In bhakti also, Krishna has a very important role. One must understand Krishna. I am happy, I am telling you all; your Vishuddhi chakras are opening as I am talking. Krishna said “Pushpam, Phalam, Toyam '' Whatever you have, give it to me. At the time of receiving it is ok but at the time of giving...it is all based on this word. You couldn't catch that word. Do ananya bhakti. Ananya! Meaning when there is no second in you, it's just you. Meaning when you are realized then do bhakti. Now they will hold on to the word. They will say I am doing ananya bhakti, but how is this ananya bhakti? Then why are you crying? The ones who cry so badly, the poets who write about separation, referring to bhakti, what bhakti will they do. I find them very disturbing. They cry so much as if they will take their eyes out and wash them and throw them away. Why you have to cry. Do ananya bhakti, when you enter ananya, then do bhakti. Then there will be the voice of Kabira, the voice of nanaka. Then there will be the talk of christ. These saints talk with authority, They don't have doubts. With full authority that this will happen, that will happen, this should happen. But they don't believe in Kabir. Especially our hindi poets who only like to cry . They compare kabirdas and Surdas and say Kabir has Sadukktari(hindi word) and Surdas is very sweet. I would say Surdas cries too much. He himself wrote after writing Sursagar, that Krishna please remove all ignorance from Surdas. He confessed that he is ignorant. But since we like to cry we like all poems that cry. When you rise above the weeping stage, then you do not like weeping people at all. It feels why they are crying from morning to evening for no reason. Suppose someone is newly married and someone in their neighbourhood dies, then it feels, why such an auspicious thing happened. Exactly that's how it is. Then a person enjoys reading zen, You read Khalil Jibran. Khalil Jibran is all sahaja yoga. Zen is also all sahaja yoga. Then, your interests change, your priorities change. You start seeing the world from a different angle. At first you ask then you give. Right now you are asking then you give it from the other hand. When this happens then you become a witness. This is what Shri Krishna has said that you have to become a witness. Shri Krishna is known as a complete incarnation because this whole world is like a drama. Even Rama also played this drama. But he played it so well that he made it look like he was not a witness. That's why he is known as a maryada purushottam. But this is all a play, this Shri Krishna proved it fully. That's why Shri Krishna is known as the complete incarnation. For him all this is a play. After Sahaja Yoga, you all also become a witness. Now you just see that, oh a nice drama is going on. You don’t think about the past or future, you just become a witness and enjoy the play. With a stable mind, you start seeing. Even if you are angry, you are not angry within. You witness the whole thing, watching the drama of being angry. Krishna’s world is also like this. All Lila. Sometimes killing has to be done. There are many people who follow non-violence. Don’t kill mosquitoes, don’t kill bedbugs. There are so-called non-violent people in the world, you don't know. They will put the brahmins in a hut and leave many bedbugs in that hut. And they will let all the bedbugs eat the brahmin and these people will then say, wah, that what nice work we did. Now tell me why do you want to save these mosquitoes, these bed bugs. Do we have to give realization to them? Ahimsa or Non-violence can only be followed for humans. I don’t understand non-violence on animals. Yes, if eating an animal can harm you, then it is a different thing. But killing an animal sets him on the path of evolution. That is what is called as halal. If you keep hitting someone then it is violence, no matter if it is on animals or humans. You have violence in you and you are taking it out. When one person does harsh behavior towards another person, that is equal to eating a hundred cows. Now, why do we have such devotion towards a cow? No one knows this. This is a high level thing. Because once Adishati took the form of a cow named Surabhi. To honor that we all respect cows. Because she was incarnated as a cow, maybe you have not heard the name Surabhi. You all are very modern, I am a very ancient person. Adishakti incarnated as a cow named Surabhi and she resided five thousand Gods in Surabhi. That is why we consider Cow as a God. In India cows are kept in the house and we get milk from her and we treat her like a mother. But in England cows are like buffaloes, exactly like buffaloes. You cannot say that it is a cow from any angle. My grandkids when they came here, they said Grandma why the buffaloes here are white in color. Indian cows have a special quality. Because of Surabhi, all cows are Godly there. That is why cows are respected here. And Indian cows have a mild and beautiful appearance. That is why the credit we give to cows is limited to India only. You understand this. Do not practice such non-violence. People will starve. In Greenland, it is only name sake Greenland, these poor people have not even seen a green leaf. One of my students came from here, she said Mother people talk of becoming vegetarian. We do not grow any vegetables there, why did God send us to such a cursed place? I told her, we should save ourselves from these notions that have settled in us. You can take out all Muslims, All Christians, Many Hindus, Japanese people, Russians. Take them all and may be few Brahmins will be left who won’t eat. They may also be secretly eating. No one else other than them. This is wrong. Yes, no alcohol. It is totally wrong. Jain won't even kill mosquitoes but drink alcohol. For them alcohol is essential. And these days it is , you know it. You know in Pune, this Monster is sitting there. A lot of westerners go to him. One writer came with me, I told her to see what they do. She told us, these poor people are in very bad shape. There everyone has to eat only vegetables. Now these people are all non-vegetarians, they will starve. On top of that they say, don’t put salt. Eat boiled food. She said, these people have all lost weight and look miserable. This Man makes everyone work for 9 hours. One will keep cutting vegetables for nine hours, his hand got peeled off. Now when this man is totally wrecked then put a bhoot in him. Finish. Now man will roam around with clothes and a so called holy necklace. And all his money is taken. He has fooled many esteemed females by doing this. All big people do this. I will tell you all their secrets someday. I should do a lecture on that some day. These people think they are very Moral,; Now Lama people think they are very Moral, I haven't found one yet. Morality is an inner thing. Some people do such harsh things in the name of morality and with animals they will be so loving. A human passes through thousand lives to be born as a human. All these chakras are made within Humans. Animals cannot equal the dust particles of the feet of humans. This is such a huge thing. And it doesn't take you any time to make a human sad, to torture him, to trouble him. But you worry about mosquitoes, about bedbugs. People roam around by putting masks on their faces. They are stupid. They waste their life, other’s lives. What is the need for such a thing? If you do not like to eat certain things, then don’t. You eat what you like. But to force people so much that they cannot eat anything. They starve. It is not right. I tell you that is a kind of aggression. If you don’t like certain things, don’t eat them. But forcefully you make people follow you. Everyone has a discrimination point. And this can be found from the Vishuddhi chakra.'नीर ीर (Nirkshirviveke tu). In Sanskrit there is a sloka. When there is a mix of water and milk, then the swan drinks only milk from that mix. This is how his wisdom is. But the bird heron doesn’t get it and it drinks both milk and water. It cannot discriminate. So 'नीर:, बको बक: (NirKshirviveke tu hanso hans; bako bakah). You can understand this with your wisdom. And kindness is the most important thing. There should be compassion among human beings. Do the kindness first to the humans. Even in showing kindness people think they are doing favours. If someone gives a lift in the car, he thinks, the other person is my slave. Compassion is a very inherent thing. I told you yesterday that when a person gets realization, he automatically becomes kind. Just when a flower blossoms, it gets a sweet fragrance and the whole environment becomes fragrant. This is how when a person is realized, he is enlightened. You don’t have to swear for it. If you put Kasturi (a kind of precious musk) here, you don’t have to swear to confirm it is here. You will yourself know that kasturi is here. But if someone's nose is not working then what can we do. People’s noses even do not work properly these days. Still humans have not fallen so much that they cannot identify the truth. They wander around for some time then they ultimately find the truth. This is also a blessing of Shri Krishna. All discrimination is done by Shri Krishna’s chakra. And he kept this chakra right here. We cannot really give a name to this chakra. You must know that actually Shri Krishna’s hands have reached here. When it gets caught then a person loses their discrimination. This chakra belongs to Shri krishna. He is the Virat. He is the one who creates the drama. Who plays the drama and we are his parts and parcel. When we are realized, we are one with him, and then he manifests through us. Mohammed called him Akbar. That is why the mantra here is very beautiful, you put these two fingers in your ear, raise your throat towards the sky and say Allah Hu Akbar. For whoever this chakra is caught, it will open. In pune, I made many brahmins do this. This finger (pointer)belongs to Shri Krishna. Using this finger he held the whole Govardhna mountain. He would rotate his Sudarshan Chakra on this finger. There are so many myths and misunderstandings about Shri Krishna, I would like to share some with you. Because today in a way, we inaugurated him. First of all the myth, that he had sixteen thousand wives. Many people have objections about it. He was a yogeshwar, Shri krishna was a Yogeshwar. You must know the story, where few women were going to a saint. He had five wives. These five women were his five elements. The river rose high and these women could not cross the Tapi river. They asked Krishna, how do we reach that side? Then he said ask the river, If Shri Krishna is a yogeshwar and he has not been with any woman then please temper down. And after saying that the river came down. People said that this is the height of lying but still what can we say. But they crossed the river and reached the other side. They treated the Saint very well, fed him tasty foods. The saint ate very well. Now when these women wanted to go back, they saw the river rose back up again. They told the saint about it. Said asked how they came there in the first place. They said we were told to ask the River if Shri Krishna is a yogeshwara and if he has never been with a woman, if it was true the river would go down. We asked this and it did go down. Saint then said, this time ask the river, that If the Saint ate even a bite of the food we offered to him then go down. These five women did the same, asked the river that question and the river went down again. These women did not understand anything. He ate everything but he did not take anything? He has sixteen thousand wives and he has not been with a single woman. What kind of Yogeshwar is he? One has to understand that Shri Krishna has sixteen thousand powers. In our Vishuddhi chakra sixteen thousand channels work. It has sixteen petals. Do you know they are also known as sixteen art. Vishuddhi chakra has sixteen arts. Similarly, the plexus we have here is known as Cervical plexus. It also has sixteen sub-plexuses. It is in our subtle and in our gross. And each art has one thousand channels, because in our Sahasrara we have thousands of his Nadis. Each Nadi has sixteen Nadis in it, this way we have sixteen thousand nadis right here. This chakra is so important, you must understand. It is responsible for our nose, outer part or our eyes, mouth, throat, teeth, teeth and forehead too. Other than that, our Ego and Superego is also controlled by it. This chakra with sixteen thousand nadis is so important. Shri Krishna is called Dhumil. We can see the dhumi, People say he is black but he has bluish, dhumil colour. And he doesn't like the cigarette smoke at all. He cannot tolerate Tobacco. If you chew tobacco, then this is gone and the stomach is also gone. People are like, Mataji I just take a little bit of tobacco in the pan and even that is also gone. One gentleman came, he is a very good Sahaja Yogi. He is a nice man. I told him to quit tobacco because it is not a good thing and it will give you problems. He did not take it seriously. The one day he came and said, Mataji, I am in big trouble. I said what happened Son? He said when I sit down for meditationI feel like Hanuman's face is forming in me, it becomes very big, then it becomes small. Sometimes when I sit for meditation, it feels like my face is becoming like this, it is becoming kind of crooked. Then I said you lie that you don’t eat tobacco. You eat tobacco right? Then he said, yes I do. I asked him to hold his ears. I told him, if you eat tobacco again you will become hanuman. Your face will become like hanuman’s face. (Mother laughing) Poor guy was a simple person. Although later he gave realization to many people. He was a known man but he was stuck on tobacco. See what happens to a human. Then he quit eating tobacco. It was gone. Now this tobacco is a very bad thing, it is an insecticide. The one that kills the insects, will kill our cells too. It is such a bad thing, I don’t know who asked you to eat this. From where did you learn to eat this? Human beings don’t know what they eat. Why don’t they think that is it written here that one should eat tobacco. ? They wreck themselves eating tobacco. Kundalini won’t rise for such people and they get all the diseases of the world. Now cigarette, this is also a big issue. In England, they write that it is poison and cigarette smoking can lead to cancer. It is written, still people smoke. Still people would smoke secretly. Whoever will come to London, will say give the best cigarette you have here, that I would enjoy. I just keep looking; these big people; big officers, the ones who are considered big officers, those people. They want the whiskey and the cigarette. What public work these people do and what public welfare they do, I don’t understand. This is insecticide, who asked you to eat or drink this. I asked them, in what Shastra or holy book have you read this. You will be shocked that eating tobacco goes so much against our guru tattva. Because of this first the Vishuddhi chakra gets caught and later near nabhi, it accumulates a lot of filth. The kind of cancer people get, I say you should make films and make people watch them. First they remove your, this pipe or poke a hole here, and then slowly they start removing stomach pipes. And this cancer grows so badly. Because in the Virata it’s main place is Vishuddhi chakra. If this gets caught then it bubbles in the whole body. And this smoke gets deposited in the lungs so badly that don’t even ask me. It is such a dangerous thing. It is better to eat poison once and die, if you are really fond of dying. But why do you want to die such a death. But just by telling it won’t work. I know this too. This has to go on its own. That also happens in Sahaja Yoga. This is also a work of Sahaja Yoga. Some of our people in Western Countries, some people even take a lot of drugs. Because there everything is relative. That drug is better than alcohol so take drugs. But alcohol is such a dirty thing, why don’t you quit it. And for them relatively drugs are better than alcohol. And for cigarettes, they think it is a very simple thing. But it is such a dangerous thing. It is also dangerous because to drink alcohol you will have to at least open the bottle, you will need a glass. In London, they have these tricks, they have special glasses for this. For brandy you use this glass, for this you use that. So they can sell their crystals there. For different alcohol, they use different stuff. For that there is a big shastra (book) in french about it. And they are so proud of this as if they have not done better science than this. They have written many big books on this. And God only saves, by the names they give. And that too, that is asked in a particular way, they will say What would you like to drink? They had such an attitude, a person like me did not understand all this. In London they have a culture of shaking hands, that is ok, I give realization doing that. When I leave it is ok. But at the reception there will be five hundred people. They hurt my hands. That is also ok, but when they come drunk, then God only save. You cannot talk to anyone there, without a drink. What a show and this cigarette. If you want to talk to someone then you offer a cigarette, otherwise you cannot talk. There is no communication. Until you give something to a stranger, there is no communication between them. I don’t know what intellect they have, A person like me does not understand this. And what is even surprising is, women smoking. They will wear a saree, also put on nathni (nose jewellery), the latest trend these days, And on top of that cigarette. How to comprehend, In our culture did women ever smoke? Yes, they said, in rural areas in Nepal, women smoke. So now you want to become them? Do you want to become wild? They said they are tribal people. So you want to become tribal people? So if tribal people do it then you also become tribal. There are many people in London, they are like, we want to become primitive. I said you cannot become primitive. It is impracticable because your brain cannot be primitive. You will be a primitive bhoot. When you make hair like this, like a bhoot, why won’t bhoot come to you. Bhoot search out for people like them. (Mother laughing). Bhoot will catch them only. Dress up properly, when you go out so bhoot will stay away from you. If you are a drunkard, then a drunkard bhoot will come and sit on you. Then you will drink so much alcohol that you won’t believe. If you are a smoker, then a bhoot who likes cigars will come to you. You don’t know that things like this happen. And if you have that cigar bhoot in you and you don’t get cigar from anywhere, then you are gone. Then life loses its charm. All Your life you will cry, I did not get the cigar. Your whole life is dependent on cigars, how dangerous it is. You must understand. English people used to drink very less alcohol but now their third generation will all die in the pubs. In our country too, it is a very dangerous thing. Once someone is high on alcohol, you can buy any officer or minister if they drink alcohol. It is a weakness. It is such a weak thing. Human beings have so much weakness in them. It makes humans very weak. Because you can buy it, a bottle. Morarji Bhai says he will do something, God knows when he will start it. You guys write so many bad things about him, that is why he is not doing it. He said it will lead to even more bootlegging. It will happen but after a few days, it will stop. Let them die, if they are going to die because of this bootlegging, They have to die anyways, It will be good for them and for us. And some people give explanations, that it will make it grow. It would never grow. If not in the first generation or the second generation, but in the third generation people will definitely quit alcohol. Try quitting first. Pakistanis are better than us, they hit people with heavy sticks. (danda). Because of this alcohol, women become miserable, their houses become miserable. My husband used to run this office. He became very socialistic and he increased the drivers’ salary to 1000 Rs. After four-five months their wives came complaining about their husbands. They said what a disaster you did. I asked why? They said first thing alcohol and second thing prostitutes and third thing they don’t even come home. They stay out only. They will bring alcohol in the house and the kids do not have food to eat. Sir, instead of making their salary 1000 Rs, It would have been better if you had paid for our kids’ education. You could have done us good in a different way. Now these people fight for salary appraisal. Don’t increase their salary; they will only drink alcohol and wont do anything. It is better if you give them a house, give them clothes. They should also know how to spend the money. You notice that when you increase the salary of a servant, you think you are doing big kindness, charity work. You think you are doing favours on them. They will really show you what the money does. One should have dignity to receive money, they should have some prestige. You can never improve through money. You give them food to eat, it's ok but do not make them beggars. If you give 25 paise to a beggar, he will buy a cinema ticket and watch cinema. You see. One must understand how to balance with money. The money that will lead to buying dirty things, that money’s distribution or growth will not make any country prosper. A nation prospers because of the humans. Now we have this imagination that we develop our country like this, you will not get anything other than plastic. What do they have, stones? Humans should be prosperous. Every human should be a king. A king like Shri Krishna. He was a shepherd and used to take cows for grazing, but he was the king of kings. He would sleep on the floor but he was a king. One should be king by nature not king of plastic. The one who runs after things, after diamonds, jewellery and who tortures others, Who will be more wretched and beggar than such person. This is a sign of misery. A satisfied being is actually a king. It won't take long for us Indians to become such kings. Just look at them, so many have even got it and where they are sitting today. Shri Krishna gave numerous blessings to this world. Great blessings he gave, that he incarnated and he gave us that light that we should achieve the absolute and to accept only the absolute. And under his power only we should grow. And after taking refuge at Krishna’s feet, Our Vishuddhi also opened completely. And we become a witness. We will offer our namaskar and prayers to him and we will meditate.

Vishuddhi Chakra (Hindi). Delhi (India), 16 March 1979. [Hindi to English Translation] All the people in the world are looking at us, thinking through India only they will get their salvation until then they won’t get realization. But we cannot even have a simple attitude. Yesterday I told you that I will be telling you about Sacchidanada who is the same as Shiva and who resides in our heart but today I am thinking that I should tell you that after I finish talking about all the chakras; in the end. That will be good. Although you should keep your attention on the heart from beginning to end; just by putting your attention there, all chakras get healed by themselves. Above the three parts of the heart chakra, is a very important chakra, it is called Vishuddhi Chakra. Vishuddhi Chakra! This chakra is right behind our throat area. Now you can not say that it is exactly behind the throat area as it is a very subtle thing it is likely to be a little up or down in the throat area. Just as human nature and their form vary, similarly the placement of their chakras is. A little bit here and there. Sometimes it could be as big as an inch. That’s why you can never say that it is exactly there. I have noticed for some people it is little up for some little down and for some it is even more down. But for now, you must know Vishuddhi chakra is here, right here, behind the throat area. This chakra is very important for human beings. For animals, this chakra is not that developed and mature. Understand this very well that human beings originated from this chakra. Shri Krishna resides in this chakra and his power is Radhaji. Radha, Ra meaning power and Dha meaning the one who seeks discretion. Krish means the one who does farming. He is a farmer and he did farming on all of you. He sowed seeds in you. He sowed the seed that first you know what joy is, what god is, what supreme power is. He sowed the seeds that’s why he is known as Krishna. This chakra took place in humans when Krishna lifted his neck all the way up. You know that the animal’s neck is always down. Then there is a category of animals like monkey, chimpanzees where their necks are a little high. But no other living being has the neck as high as a human being. Only because the human’s neck is high, their independence could be established. And why is that, let me tell you. Because of this Vishuddhi Chakra, the two balloons’ ego and superego develop. In animals, their shape goes this way and again this way and it then goes downwards. So whatever Chetna or light they get it bends towards the earth. But with human beings neck high up, he started feeling a lot of responsibilities on himself, and now whatever work he does, his ego develops. Now people are very afraid of this word ego or ahankar. By ahankar or ego I don’t mean the feeling of pride. These two are very different. Feeling of pride is there in everyone and everyone should have it. If they do not have that they are like animals. We also get a feeling of the superego, it comes from the left side and comes right here; we have fontanel bone here, it comes right here. And ahankar (ego) also comes from the left and comes here. Now you see when it goes up, the left goes to the right and the right goes to the left. As it is shown here. It starts at Vishuddhi chakra. If your throat is not well, the doctors would give you medicine for it, they will tell you that your throat is not well. If your right Vishuddhi is caught, which is the seat of Rukmini Ji, where vitthal-Rumini resides, that chakra can be treated with medicine. But if your left side is caught, it can not be treated medically. Because left Vishuddhi leads to Prati ahankar or superego. You get it because of conditionings. Whatever conditioning you have leads to that. Now there is a little child, who is with his mother, drinking milk from her, is joyful. Now as the mother wants to change the child as I told you, the child develops ego. He thinks why is she troubling me. Why she interrupted, why she disturbed. But when the mother says “be quiet, don’t do this'' that leads to conditionings in the child; good conditioning or bad conditionings. That leads to the superego in the child. And whenever our right side, our Pingala Nadi is activated and speeds up, works; it leads to the ego in us. And when the left channel activates and speeds up, we develop superego. When both the things speed up and overlap each other, the child is around a year old. At that age this space gets all filled up and “ we are different” this feeling develops in the child. We can say, it is an ego feeling that I am different from you. In the English language, it is called the “I” ness. We all become different. We think this is my name, that is their name. If you talk to small kids, they always talk as the third person. They would not talk like the first person that “I am going”. Like I asked Munna, will you go or not? He said Nani (grandma) this Munna won’t go, he is very stubborn. They will talk as the third person as they are not related to the name Munna. He cannot identify with the name, he will always talk as the third person. That he won’t listen, he is very stubborn as if Munna is someone else, and I am not him, I am separate from him. But as the child grows, these two things grow more and grow deep and he keeps getting away from this divine power. Now animals are one with this divine power but they are not aware of this as they do not have that awareness. Now you understand this difference that just so you become aware, God put it this way, in a shell. He put this different awareness in you. So that you seek God in your freedom, You seek goodness and then you believe in what you find. That’s why this kind of arrangement was made. Now you will say what was the need for this. People say that God should have directly given realization to people. If an animal was directly made into a man and was given realization, then there would have been no question about it. But God is responsible for the evolution of all living beings and they function according to their nature. For example, a scorpion would not walk like a tiger, a snake won’t walk like a lion. Their nature won’t change and they will function based on their nature. Whatever you condition them to they would function like that. They get conditioned with their environment and they live accordingly. But human is the only kind who will have jackal in him, a tiger in him, snake in him, lion in him, monster in him, and also God in him. Because humans are free. He is the only one who is free. If he wants he can be righteous or evil, become a scorpion, or may roar like a tiger. God gave you this freedom because you cannot know God without this freedom. You have to find God in this total freedom. By being hypnotized you cannot know God as it cannot be forced on you. You have to say this in your freedom that “I want to know God” and because of this, the image of your brain becomes triangular. Animals’ brain image is flat. You see there is a triangle here. And because of this triangular shape, all powers flow in a quadruple manner. Because just like it happens in the prism, like a pyramid similarly the brain becomes. That’s why all four of these powers start flowing in it. As I said The three powers are Ida, Pingala, and Sushumna and in the back, we have what we have gained so far as human beings is the central nervous Sushumna system. The reason these four powers start flowing is us just like a pyramid as you see, which has three sides which has an apex. It has one top, which Kabir has called Shoonya Shikhar. Kundalini passes through it and sits in the triangular bone. When a human dies, this same kundalini circulates on top of his head. It exits from the top of the head and it guides him. And the spirit is also with it. That kundalini, that spirit, and all our four elements out of which the water element slowly reduces, earth element reduces, and in this way, the living being gets ready to go to the Mrityu Lok (death place). And this freedom that God has given us and how we use it is pretty evident. We use it in a strange way. When the ego and superego are in balance and when you are dharmic (righteous) in your void then we don’t even know when kundalini rises. And the man gets to awakening in a moment. In a moment. And he doesn’t even know that he is awakened. Just like I told you today that when you travel in a very smooth aeroplane, you don’t even know that you are in a plane. They are very fine planes, you don’t even feel you are traveling in them. But when you do not use your freedom wisely; First you understand how we do not use our left channel freedom properly. These days it is a business to print books. And what does it need; printing press. And you all have money these days. They print books after books on every subject especially religion and God. They wrote thousands of books. Most of these books are unauthorized. Totally unauthorized. During the times of Guru Nanaka, he felt that all kinds of men are printing. He understood that. So he made Guru Grantha Sahib (holy book of Sikh people) using books of only realized souls of that time. He said not to read anything else. Whatever is written in it, follow that. But you all know how they manipulated this Grantha. Bible was written, it was manipulated. Kuran was written, it is also manipulated. What happened. We were supposed to get good conditionings from these books but we rather gained bad conditionings. It is like that. Although you can not find faults in them. Now one of the Nanaka bhajan which says “Kahe re ban khojan jaye।” in which he has said that “Kahe Nanak bin aapa chinai, Mite na Bharam ki kai”. Now, what more could he have said in a poem? Meaning, he said a simple thing that get your self-realization. Now can you say anything more than that? But now these people keep chanting and doing these akhand paths. I am telling you that no one wrote more clearly than Nanak Sahib. But people are saying “bin aapa chine bagair nahin hota”. Its like you have a headache and I prescribe you a medicine say Onsain. That you take Onasin for your headache. And here they start chanting “take Onasin, take onasin”. Will that chanting treat your headache. Actually there is no more need to write any more clearer. Yes, Krishna played diplomacy in Geeta; that also I will tell you what he did. And that way by continuous chanting we spoil our Vishuddhi; left Vishuddhi. This is conditioning. Some people are very habitual of chanting mantras. One gentleman came and said that I say Gayatri Mantra. “ Who asked you to do that? “. He said, I read a book, he started talking. But I am saying you read the book. Who wrote it, what you read and who told you that you need the gayatri mantra. “Why are you chanting the Gayatri mantra? You don't even understand what gayatri is and I chant gayatri mantra”. Even with me he was speaking gayatri, he couldn't be quiet. Best example of this is hare rama hare krishna people. They misbehave so much on Oxford street. How shameful it is; they don't know how to wear a dhoti or saree. They buy dhotis and sell them. They take money from everyone and make big hotels and they are running them. Whatever they want to do, they do, I don't care. But this day, night chanting is giving them throat cancer. And then they come to me to get cured. They tell me mother, we are only chanting Krishna’s name and you are also saying that Krishna resides in our throat area then why are we suffering? Who gave you the right to misbehave there on Oxford street and behave in this cheap manner. Is he your servant? Then you get throat cancer. Then I don't understand how I cure them. Mantras are like this; until they are enlightened; until they are alive. You will be sitting with dead stuff. Then it's sure that your Vishuddhi chakra will throw it. Now Radha-Krishna mantra should be said in Vishuddhi Chakra but the mantra should be enlightened. How will it be enlightened? If only a realized soul has asked you to do that. Even they will not ask you to do it if your throat doesn't need this. You have an upset stomach and you're taking Radha Krishna’s name, why ? Because we live in Vrindavan. Now tell me...With any kind of mantra chanting left Vishuddhi gets caught. Because it is not a proven mantra, that's the fine point. Now tell me, these days it has become a business to receive a mantra; find a guru. Now I am asking a simple question: why do you need to get a guru if you want to get a mantra, any donkey can give you that. Why do you need a guru for that? And why do you need to give money to them? They made millions of rupees just by selling mantras. Do you know, millions of rupees! Not sure if the government has rules, I don't know these laws and rules, to ask what are you selling here, these mantras. To give mantras is to only give bhoots. They make a bhoot sit there in that mantra’s name. I told you yesterday also and today also I am telling you, that all mantras are big knowledge. The one who knows it is only knowledge rest all is avidya. But what mantra has to be given, one should be knowledgeable to do that. The one who himself is characterless and who keeps an eye on other people’s money and lives like a parasite. To take anything from that person is very sinful. Mantra now became a half thing. People give money to buy mantras. When you go there, you will see they have big donation boxes in the name of service. It is done in the name of Seva. Now what to calculate here. This is for service and we are doing it for service. Service to these people who practice bhoot vidya, and take advantage of you. They give you a mantra to rest and your chakra where Sri Rama resides gets caught. Two chakras get caught. At Least with Sri Krishna’s mantra only one chakra gets caught. But it gets caught so badly that you get throat cancer. It is very dangerous. Similarly gande-daure (the rudraksha beads necklace), now the ganda from kashi, they are roaming around wearing it in their neck. This is a very sensitive thing, a very subtle thing. You must understand. You will not see more evil people than these necklace selling Kashi people. All the Pandas in Kashi are devils, maha rakshas they are. All followers of Kansa are sitting there. And you guys take these ganda-dauda, tavijs from them. All the God’s people who came on earth, All prophets or any incarnation have they ever given these ganda-dauda-tavij to anyone? And you take them from these pandits who you should not even be looking at. By mistake if you see them, wash your eyes. If you see them in the morning, the whole day will be bad. I had said last year that one day Gangaji will eat them up. And that's what happend. I saw on BBC that all were running with their stoles. Sahaja yoga doesn't only mean that you will have a union within. It is a revolution. Who gave them the right to sit at God's door. Until they have purity in them, they don't have rights to sit in the temples. What is there in these temples? People will ask that Mother are these temples right? Yes, they are right. From under the earth and from the earth element they are powered. This is the truth. There is no lie about it. For example, Ashtavinayak temple, Jyotirlinga are all true. But to put a statue there, is not right. Even the stones of Kaba are like Shiva. They are also Swanbhus. They have vibrations. In olden days, the saints used to tell by vibrations if anything is Swambhu. There is a small place called Musalwadi, we have a big sahaja center thereIt is a very big, very nice centre. It is a small village though. When I reached there, people told me that “ Mother there is a place here from where some have come out. It is during the British times when they wanted to build a dam here. They tried very hard to build a dam here but every time they would put soil there, the soil would come flying back in a different direction. And whoever dumb people would take the soil, they would faint. They just couldn't put soil in there. People gave up. They asked people what’s the matter. A saint came there, he said there are many beautiful vibrations flowing from here. This is a really pure place. Do not touch it. I saw that place with my own eyes. Instead of the dam they made a big round there and left it like that. And they made the dam at a different spot. This place has to be seen with our own eyes. When I saw the vibrations there, it was a lot. Adishakti did it there. And that's why in Musalwadi our Sahaja centre is also very successful. There are tremendous vibrations. But to understand them one must be a realized soul. Without realization how will you understand what thing has vibrations and what doesn't. I told you about an incident in Kashmir. Let me tell you again. I went to Kashmir and at one place I got a lot of vibrations. Then I asked the driver, “ is there a big temple or something? Do they worship someone? He said not here but two miles from here there is a worship place for Muslims, they call it Hazratbal. Even now as I talk about it, it gives me vibrations. There is the glory of Muhammad. I get goose bumps just taking his name. Taking Nanak Sahib’s name too pours me with vibrations. Then I asked him to take me there. I have to go there. My husband said who will let you in there? I said Lets go we will see. Surprisingly no one stopped me, I went somewhat inside. So these kinds of places should be there and you should feel them. That you can only feel once your spirit is awakened. Until the spirit is not awakened you cannot understand Dharma. Neither can you understand God. Now can you understand the all pervading power. Now see here you feel that there is some picture or something here, but you cannot see it. You put TV here, you get pictures on TV. Similarly when you are connected you start getting vibrations. Everything is all pervading power but until now you don't have its knowledge, its understanding. That's why talking about it is a waste. All waste. To obtain that power, to get dissolved in it. Man is so incomplete without becoming the spirit; no matter what he will do, nothing would change him. Now on this Vishuddhi chakra, God almighty himself came in the form of Shri Krishna who is Virat. When Shri Krishna came on this earth then all the powers of Virata were manifested. As I told you Shivji’s work is to give us existence, give us identity, which is done through the left channel. And Brahmaji's work is to create. Shivji doesn't incarnate, he incarnated once, but he doesn't. And that incarnation was equal to no incarnation. Brahmadev incarnated once, you will be surprised in the form of Hazarat Ali. No one could identify them. Muslims didn't recognize him. Just once Brahmadeva took incarnation. And only Vishnu incarnates, Vishnu tatwa incarnates. He is the only one who can get out of the illusion of Bhavsagar through many incarnations. He is the one who comes many times on earth and guides you. He is your leader. It is because of this tatwa, you are evolved. This is the evolutionary element of this revolution. You became human from the amoeba because of him, because he is the bearer of Religion. They change the dharma of all things and eventually change the dharma of humans. This is your human religion. But human religion is only attained once his spirit is enlightened. Now at this Vishuddhi chakra, humans get connected into the virata relationship. Like you put your hands towards me. Keep your hand like this. Now from this hand this channel goes here and goes here into Vishuddhi Chakra. Now you see the human hand and the animal hand is very different. There is no difference in animals' hands and legs. Human hand is so beautiful and intricate. And there is such beautiful artistic workmanship. We never understand this. Taken for granted. This hand is so amazing, if man wants they can do amazing things with this hand. But we made this hand dirty. The hands God made to enjoy the bliss and happiness we use these hands to kill others and torture others. We do all bad deeds with these hands. And these hands first connected with Vishuddhi Chakra. Now this is a fine thing, try to understand. Our relation with the divine. Virat is a primordial being. All powerful. And we are actually its nerves, capillaries, muscles and bones. When man is realized then he becomes one with the divine, not before that. Just like your nail, even if you get hurt at the outside edge of the nail, you wont feel anything, It just separates. Similarly until a man is awakened he cannot get realization. He doesn’t have any awareness of the divine in him. They might get a glimpse here and there. Now the people who do social work, because of these glimpses think that until society is not auspicious or benefitted they won't progress either. Please wait. Everyone will pay attention there as both of their attention is not stable. Don't give any bandhan etc. People soon start roving their eyes. Stabilize your attention and listen. It is very hard to have a stable attention in modern times, we have to be very stable. Then only we get some outcome. Then also most people get realized so please stabilize your attention. When a person gets enlightened, he gets connected to the God almighty. But before that he gets its glimpses. Like one thought will rise and drop, another will rise and drop, meaning we can see the rise of the thought but we can not see when it drops. When a thought rises we are on one channel but when it drops then we go to the other channel. This gap between one thought and the other is called Vilambha. This is the place that needs to be held upon the awakening of the kundalini. One thought rose, it ended, it went into the left channel. When the thought arise we are in the right channel. We jump between the thoughts. One thought is thrown in the left, another is thrown in the left. But the gap between is the present. We have it very little in us. Vilambha has very short space in us. That's why we are always thinking about the future. Sometimes we think of the past, sometimes the future. But the space in the middle, we fail to catch it. Both these things rise in us from the Vishuddhi chakra. This happens from Vishuddhi chakra. Vishuddhi is its controlling point. But we also keep making ego and superego from Vishuddhi chakra. To be one with the divine, Mohammed sahab has said to keep your hands like this. All namaz is like that. Because all the five fingers have five centres. If you take the book, you will know what I am talking about. This finger has Swadishthan chakra which is shown here to you. This is Swadishthana chakra. It starts from Mooladhara, here Swadishthan, here nabhi, here anahat and now here is Vishuddhi. Krishna used to have a Sudharshan chakra in his hand. This is Vishuddhi chakra, this is agnya and this is sahasrara. This way a man’s destiny is in his hands. Their whole picture is in their hands and also in their feet. But there is a difference between hands and feet. I will tell you later about the feet. The hands are like this. When you keep your hands like this, then the left and right sympathetic chakras that are. Understand this; this is left and this is right, there are two sympathetic systems. When they rotate like this, and when they rotate too much, they break. There are deities in these chakras. Even if you rotate them too much they will break. If they break too much, humans break. As he breaks he separates. And when the Vishuddhi chakra breaks, humans become arbitrary. Now if a man is ego oriented then his ego keeps growing. And when the growth makes it too big then he loses connection with the divine. He loses his sensitivity. He just thinks that he is everything. This is madness, you don't know madness. To have an ego is also a madness. But people who have ego don't know it. Let me tell you jokes, what happens. Once Jawaharlal ji himself went to a lunatic asylum, there one person started misbehaving with him. They said don't do this, do you even know who he is, do you recognize him. They said he is Jawaharlal ji, our prime minister. This person then said , he will be alright, I also used to say this. Another is this PA story. So once they went to meet some Minister, there, a PA was jumping too much. He was not talking to anyone properly. They asked why are you jumping so much. What's the matter, why are you so angry. He said you don't know I am PA. Then they said we didn't know if you are PEEYE or not (Drunk in Hindi). Please forgive us, we are going home. This is just like monkeys, They really become monkeys. You must have read in Ramacharitramanas (Indian Mythological book) that Narad saint once became egoic and how he became like a monkey. In the end how his ego was treated. So when a person becomes ego oriented then god only save them. If they are coming from this route, you take another route because they are always on a horse. They don't really see anything. So they think that no one is better than them. He becomes arbitrary as if all gods left him. He runs alone, I will do this, I will do that. Hitler is a very good example of this. He thought no one could do better than me. I do all the good. If I finished all the jews then I did a very big moral work. If I killed them in gas chambers, I did good moral work; If I helped Germans rise I did a big religious work. He won't understand, he gets blind, he gets arbitrary. He becomes malignant like a cancer cell. We get cancer also because of this. Cancer is always forming and deforming within us. I just showed you so whichever route gets faster, left or right sympathetic, so because of this fastness all the deities of that channel go to sleep. Then you are separated, do what you want then. Now those cells are malignant. If a person is too hyperactive, he can get cancer, because he is too busy in work affairs. He was not connected with God during his work. He got disconnected. As he separates, he can get cancer because his cells become malignant on their own. In England, In the west, everyone is on their own. Even an 11 year old kid is on their own. Just as the child is born, the parents leave the baby in a different room. They make dogs, cats sleep in the room. They make the baby sleep in a different room. They love their pets more than their kids. It's very strange there. Everyone there is on their own. We also think that we should be on our own. This is a very wrong thinking. People think that you are spoiling your kids. Kids should be given a lot of love. They should be loved. The child who gets his parents' love, is loved by all the people in the world. Everyone loves them. The Child should not have bad habits. One gentleman was such, he said, my son is 12 years old. I am a very free person, I told my son to do whatever you want. I gave my son a beer bottle and asked him to call his friends, do what you want to do. I told him what really! They have to be taught religion. If you teach him values, his left side will be alright. He will have good conditioning. Froyd says don't teach them anything. Because he did not see the other side. If nothing was taught, their ego increased. Good values should be taught to Kids. It's a waste to teach values to adults. Look at our children, what values they have. It is very important to teach value to small kids. That's why keep your children in your home and teach them good values. If the child is alright in childhood, he gets realization faster. The person who grows up without parents, that person may be a very nice and famous person in the outside world but if you go to his house then his wife or his kids will tell you that he is a very strict person. He is strangely uncanny. That's why kids should be given a lot of love, so their ego and superego is in place; in the proper place. There should be a balance. To become egotistical is different from what I said, this egoic thought that I will show this to the world, only I can do it. You seperate yourself from the divine. That's why I am saying God is there, Shri Krishna is also there. Give it in their hands a little bit. They will do it. See how he does it. This is very hard for a human. Either they will be lethargic or they will be very egoistic. Until you are in the center, it won't be alright. It doesn't mean you stop working. Actually the one who believes in God works the most in the brahma. If you look at me you will say, Mataji you work so much, You work so hard, you do this. I don't even know that I do the work. If you see Sun he changes colour in each and every leaf, if asked sun will say I don't know if I am doing this. I am resting in Akarma. This is happening through me, happening on its own. It is most implemented. Giving example of Sun, I am talking of this Surya nadi only. Same thing Shri Krishna told us. Shri Krishna also told us in Geeta to stay in Akarma. Akarma meaning you are active from outside but inactive from inside. But have heard people give lectures on Geeta. गीता प पाच सौ ट का हो शयार स पढ़नी चा हय( unclear). Because even to understand Krishna one has to be realized. I have written many. But no one has ever understood Krishna. Krishna was the most ancient diplomat. He understood, Human won’t get it in a simple language. Humans are crooked. If I tell him anything straight, he will not listen. That's why he first hand told Krishna to be sakshi (witness). He did not say this later, he said this beforehand. First thing he said is to attain God, you attain his knowledge, it is all done here. He said that you have to be enlightened. Be a witness. Now this is ignorance. They asked this, Here you are saying to attain God, to become a witness and there you are saying to go on the war. How come both these things synchronize. To go on war, to be witness, to attain God, don’t understand this. Krishna sensed this, that Arjuna who is the superior of all can't understand this then what about others. Then he said Geeta. Now there is big diplomacy here, let me explain to you that. Suppose a son is trying to ride a Chariot, the chariot is in the front and the horse is at the back. Then the father as he comes out, will say, son bring the horse in the front and the chariot in the back. He will say that I am going to ride like this, how is this that I ride also and I have to be in the back seat; to bring the horse in the front too and ride too. Then the father understood that his mind is not alright. Then he said that, ok keep on hitting the chariot but keep your attention on the horse. Now see, what people say about our actions, it is a very subtle thing, to be understood. You understand this. Keep doing actions or work but leave its outcome on God. This is a very diplomatic thing. This is an absurd condition. Diplomacy is practiced best when you put an absurd condition out there and the person gets trapped in it. This can never happen. Until you have ego in you, this can never happen that you keep working and leave its outcome on God. Yes, people will say Mataji, whatever work we do, we leave its outcome on God; this is a lie; this cannot happen. Because your ego is intact there and superego is also intact. You will say Mataji, I read a book and it affected me. This cannot happen. If not for 2 or 4 people , it will happen for 1 or 2 people because you have superego and ego. Now they put an absurd condition. Now they will say, we work so much but we leave all the outcome on God but people say he is such an egoistic person that God only save us. So to leave things on God is a happening. This is a spontaneous happening. When the Kundalini pierces the Sahasrara, then it happens, before that it doesn't happen. Now after realization, this is how people talk, you see. Mother, this is going, this is coming, he is getting it, he is not. Kundalini is stuck. Third person talking starts. No one says I am doing this, I cured his disease, I am fixing their chakras, no one says this. Now their chakra is caught, now it's open. They talk in third person language. You notice that. If your own son doesn’t get realization, then not. No one will say that he is realized. Here it's actually the opposite, If he is my son then give him everything in the world, other’s son let them die. Even if you want you can't give it to your son. Because even with that desire one can understand. If kundalini is not rising then what to do, when if he is your son; what can be done if it is your son. I went to America, One Gujarati went with me, his wife said to me Mataji please give realization to my son. I told her, what are you saying, if he gets realized, he does. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t . You know this. She said No Mataji, please give him realization. It's your will. I told her that I have no will, you know that. Why don't you have that will. If it works, it works. When we reached there, this boy did not get realization. She became very sad, Mataji, he didn't get realization. I said son, you give her the certificate that he is realized. You are realized too. He said how can I give a false certificate. I said that is what, In Sahaja Yoga you cannot give a false certificate, even if it's your son. These people teach falsehood to the child. They keep making treasure for their child. This way you cannot grow. Here no son or anything works, no relationship works. Only relationship with God works. The One who has relation with God only can get realization others don't. You also need to have some good past karmas. If your son does not have any good past karmas then nothing can happen. You just leave it, leave it. When it has to happen, it will happen. You can’t force it. The same thing happens with Karmwad. ( The principle where work is the highest principle). When Krishna said do the work and leave the outcome on divine, it just cannot happen. He put this absurd condition. Are you able to understand this? It is a deep thing. Because till date we have been told to do your work and leave the outcome to God. Everyone started singing bhajan about it. Do the karmas and leave the rest on God but how? The God almighty said, Shri Krishna was like a father, let it be like this for some time. This was told six thousand years ago and you guys are still chanting this. But I am a Mother. Mother says it's enough. They should know the truth that this is not possible. This is all a lie, leave all this. What's in it. Because a human follows a lie first that is the quality of a human, it's less likely that he follows the truth. If I put two horns on my head and have a band party with me , then many people will gather here. Everyone said they don't take any money, they must be useless. It will be a waste, Mataji doesn't even take money. She doesn't have anything still she doesn't take money, what will she give then if she has no money. She is very naive. She is married, has children. She doesn't even wear saintly clothes, nothing, then what will she give you. Until you bear a lie, humans don't believe in you. That's why Krishna had said, leave all the fruits of your karma on God, this cannot happen. That happens only after realization. After that you don’t take credit for any work neither you keep accounts of your deeds. Now if someone will ask me, Mataji, how many people have you fixed. I said, I don't know. Today one lady came and was upset with me, she said we don't even know how many people come here and go, how many are there? I said I don't know, now should I keep accounts of how many people I gave love to. I don't know. You people understand love right? We don’t keep counts of bites we feed to the numerous kids. So when it is a work of love then there is no favour. I love that's why I work. And in that process if you feel you are getting something then I am actually benefiting. When you are part and parcel of Virata, you are actually my fingers. If I get hurt in the finger and if I rubbed it, then am I doing favour to anyone, I am doing favour to myself. If I don't rub it and fix it then where will I go? There is no question of favour here. They say, do favours for everyone. These are such illusionary ideas people have. There are many philanthropic institutions, there everyone's Vishuddhi is caught. Who are you to do favours? They made a building, Gave food to hungry people. But who are you, you can't even make a seed grow. If you ask someone to say that, tell people that you are not doing but God is doing it. Then they will say it but it will be ego oriented. They don't mean it. That can’t be said until you are realized. One should believe that. Meaning, you ego will always be there, sitting subtly. Sometimes it's even in the roots. One gentleman publishes a lot of his books, and in those books , even by mistake they misspelled his name, his father, forefather will come to fight. Many such things humans have made that pamper your ego. Now there is a book called, “Who’s who”. They will call them and say we will publish your name in the book. He will say, wao my name is being published. Then they will say, Send 100 pounds and we will publish your name. He will be very happy that my name is written in Who’s who. They made a fool out of you and you got trapped by your ego. You did not even understand this. This is how all philanthropic work is. Because the one who did this is also trapped and the one for whom it is being done is also trapped. Now you will say Mataji, should we stop all this philanthropic work?, every one asks me this. Since you are asking I will tell you, to actually stop all this work. And use your energy in Sahaj work and get people realized. Leave all philanthropies and get people realized. You can heal people from diseases, immediately disease gets cured. They are sitting here, ask them, you can be cured in a second. After coming is Sahaja Yoga, they say any kind of disease can be cured. Except for two or four, that I have seen do not get cured. Most diseases here get cured. Then why are you holding on to Philanthropies. But you can not charge money here. Doctors can work here. If you have some mental problem, some brain related problem or maybe you are really crazy still you can come in Sahaja Yoga. You madness gets cured. Many mad people got cured. If you are not at peace, you are worried, You can not sleep; Now yesterday a lady came to see me, she sat here for half an hour. Do you know she hasn’t slept in so many years and she is an MD. And she fell asleep here, such sound sleep, she then said let me sleep here only. This all can happen in Sahaja Yoga. Now the time has come to obtain all this. But there is no sense collecting ego within us. Although you can’t see it from outside. Some people are very humble, when you see them from outside, But the subtle ego within them does not let the kundalini rise and it breaks it again and again. You rise it, it again comes down, it keeps coming down every time you rise it. It can’t go very fast. But once you get realized properly, we have people here who have given realization to thousands of people and helped them. Thousands of people. Just by keeping their hands like this, giving vibrations, by fixing their chakras. That's why Krishna has said Leave the outcome of your work on God, where else can you leave. This is such a condition; who will you leave it too. Because I am not even doing it, it's flowing through me. You also say that It is coming in me, you do not say that I am taking it. You do not say that I am bringing it in me. Those words disappear, I and etc. It becomes, it is happening, not happening, it is working etc. In bhakti also, Krishna has a very important role. One must understand Krishna. I am happy, I am telling you all; your Vishuddhi chakras are opening as I am talking. Krishna said “Pushpam, Phalam, Toyam '' Whatever you have, give it to me. At the time of receiving it is ok but at the time of giving...it is all based on this word. You couldn't catch that word. Do ananya bhakti. Ananya! Meaning when there is no second in you, it's just you. Meaning when you are realized then do bhakti. Now they will hold on to the word. They will say I am doing ananya bhakti, but how is this ananya bhakti? Then why are you crying? The ones who cry so badly, the poets who write about separation, referring to bhakti, what bhakti will they do. I find them very disturbing. They cry so much as if they will take their eyes out and wash them and throw them away. Why you have to cry. Do ananya bhakti, when you enter ananya, then do bhakti. Then there will be the voice of Kabira, the voice of nanaka. Then there will be the talk of christ. These saints talk with authority, They don't have doubts. With full authority that this will happen, that will happen, this should happen. But they don't believe in Kabir. Especially our hindi poets who only like to cry . They compare kabirdas and Surdas and say Kabir has Sadukktari(hindi word) and Surdas is very sweet. I would say Surdas cries too much. He himself wrote after writing Sursagar, that Krishna please remove all ignorance from Surdas. He confessed that he is ignorant. But since we like to cry we like all poems that cry. When you rise above the weeping stage, then you do not like weeping people at all. It feels why they are crying from morning to evening for no reason. Suppose someone is newly married and someone in their neighbourhood dies, then it feels, why such an auspicious thing happened. Exactly that's how it is. Then a person enjoys reading zen, You read Khalil Jibran. Khalil Jibran is all sahaja yoga. Zen is also all sahaja yoga. Then, your interests change, your priorities change. You start seeing the world from a different angle. At first you ask then you give. Right now you are asking then you give it from the other hand. When this happens then you become a witness. This is what Shri Krishna has said that you have to become a witness. Shri Krishna is known as a complete incarnation because this whole world is like a drama. Even Rama also played this drama. But he played it so well that he made it look like he was not a witness. That's why he is known as a maryada purushottam. But this is all a play, this Shri Krishna proved it fully. That's why Shri Krishna is known as the complete incarnation. For him all this is a play. After Sahaja Yoga, you all also become a witness. Now you just see that, oh a nice drama is going on. You don’t think about the past or future, you just become a witness and enjoy the play. With a stable mind, you start seeing. Even if you are angry, you are not angry within. You witness the whole thing, watching the drama of being angry. Krishna’s world is also like this. All Lila. Sometimes killing has to be done. There are many people who follow non-violence. Don’t kill mosquitoes, don’t kill bedbugs. There are so-called non-violent people in the world, you don't know. They will put the brahmins in a hut and leave many bedbugs in that hut. And they will let all the bedbugs eat the brahmin and these people will then say, wah, that what nice work we did. Now tell me why do you want to save these mosquitoes, these bed bugs. Do we have to give realization to them? Ahimsa or Non-violence can only be followed for humans. I don’t understand non-violence on animals. Yes, if eating an animal can harm you, then it is a different thing. But killing an animal sets him on the path of evolution. That is what is called as halal. If you keep hitting someone then it is violence, no matter if it is on animals or humans. You have violence in you and you are taking it out. When one person does harsh behavior towards another person, that is equal to eating a hundred cows. Now, why do we have such devotion towards a cow? No one knows this. This is a high level thing. Because once Adishati took the form of a cow named Surabhi. To honor that we all respect cows. Because she was incarnated as a cow, maybe you have not heard the name Surabhi. You all are very modern, I am a very ancient person. Adishakti incarnated as a cow named Surabhi and she resided five thousand Gods in Surabhi. That is why we consider Cow as a God. In India cows are kept in the house and we get milk from her and we treat her like a mother. But in England cows are like buffaloes, exactly like buffaloes. You cannot say that it is a cow from any angle. My grandkids when they came here, they said Grandma why the buffaloes here are white in color. Indian cows have a special quality. Because of Surabhi, all cows are Godly there. That is why cows are respected here. And Indian cows have a mild and beautiful appearance. That is why the credit we give to cows is limited to India only. You understand this. Do not practice such non-violence. People will starve. In Greenland, it is only name sake Greenland, these poor people have not even seen a green leaf. One of my students came from here, she said Mother people talk of becoming vegetarian. We do not grow any vegetables there, why did God send us to such a cursed place? I told her, we should save ourselves from these notions that have settled in us. You can take out all Muslims, All Christians, Many Hindus, Japanese people, Russians. Take them all and may be few Brahmins will be left who won’t eat. They may also be secretly eating. No one else other than them. This is wrong. Yes, no alcohol. It is totally wrong. Jain won't even kill mosquitoes but drink alcohol. For them alcohol is essential. And these days it is , you know it. You know in Pune, this Monster is sitting there. A lot of westerners go to him. One writer came with me, I told her to see what they do. She told us, these poor people are in very bad shape. There everyone has to eat only vegetables. Now these people are all non-vegetarians, they will starve. On top of that they say, don’t put salt. Eat boiled food. She said, these people have all lost weight and look miserable. This Man makes everyone work for 9 hours. One will keep cutting vegetables for nine hours, his hand got peeled off. Now when this man is totally wrecked then put a bhoot in him. Finish. Now man will roam around with clothes and a so called holy necklace. And all his money is taken. He has fooled many esteemed females by doing this. All big people do this. I will tell you all their secrets someday. I should do a lecture on that some day. These people think they are very Moral,; Now Lama people think they are very Moral, I haven't found one yet. Morality is an inner thing. Some people do such harsh things in the name of morality and with animals they will be so loving. A human passes through thousand lives to be born as a human. All these chakras are made within Humans. Animals cannot equal the dust particles of the feet of humans. This is such a huge thing. And it doesn't take you any time to make a human sad, to torture him, to trouble him. But you worry about mosquitoes, about bedbugs. People roam around by putting masks on their faces. They are stupid. They waste their life, other’s lives. What is the need for such a thing? If you do not like to eat certain things, then don’t. You eat what you like. But to force people so much that they cannot eat anything. They starve. It is not right. I tell you that is a kind of aggression. If you don’t like certain things, don’t eat them. But forcefully you make people follow you. Everyone has a discrimination point. And this can be found from the Vishuddhi chakra.'नीर ीर (Nirkshirviveke tu). In Sanskrit there is a sloka. When there is a mix of water and milk, then the swan drinks only milk from that mix. This is how his wisdom is. But the bird heron doesn’t get it and it drinks both milk and water. It cannot discriminate. So 'नीर:, बको बक: (NirKshirviveke tu hanso hans; bako bakah). You can understand this with your wisdom. And kindness is the most important thing. There should be compassion among human beings. Do the kindness first to the humans. Even in showing kindness people think they are doing favours. If someone gives a lift in the car, he thinks, the other person is my slave. Compassion is a very inherent thing. I told you yesterday that when a person gets realization, he automatically becomes kind. Just when a flower blossoms, it gets a sweet fragrance and the whole environment becomes fragrant. This is how when a person is realized, he is enlightened. You don’t have to swear for it. If you put Kasturi (a kind of precious musk) here, you don’t have to swear to confirm it is here. You will yourself know that kasturi is here. But if someone's nose is not working then what can we do. People’s noses even do not work properly these days. Still humans have not fallen so much that they cannot identify the truth. They wander around for some time then they ultimately find the truth. This is also a blessing of Shri Krishna. All discrimination is done by Shri Krishna’s chakra. And he kept this chakra right here. We cannot really give a name to this chakra. You must know that actually Shri Krishna’s hands have reached here. When it gets caught then a person loses their discrimination. This chakra belongs to Shri krishna. He is the Virat. He is the one who creates the drama. Who plays the drama and we are his parts and parcel. When we are realized, we are one with him, and then he manifests through us. Mohammed called him Akbar. That is why the mantra here is very beautiful, you put these two fingers in your ear, raise your throat towards the sky and say Allah Hu Akbar. For whoever this chakra is caught, it will open. In pune, I made many brahmins do this. This finger (pointer)belongs to Shri Krishna. Using this finger he held the whole Govardhna mountain. He would rotate his Sudarshan Chakra on this finger. There are so many myths and misunderstandings about Shri Krishna, I would like to share some with you. Because today in a way, we inaugurated him. First of all the myth, that he had sixteen thousand wives. Many people have objections about it. He was a yogeshwar, Shri krishna was a Yogeshwar. You must know the story, where few women were going to a saint. He had five wives. These five women were his five elements. The river rose high and these women could not cross the Tapi river. They asked Krishna, how do we reach that side? Then he said ask the river, If Shri Krishna is a yogeshwar and he has not been with any woman then please temper down. And after saying that the river came down. People said that this is the height of lying but still what can we say. But they crossed the river and reached the other side. They treated the Saint very well, fed him tasty foods. The saint ate very well. Now when these women wanted to go back, they saw the river rose back up again. They told the saint about it. Said asked how they came there in the first place. They said we were told to ask the River if Shri Krishna is a yogeshwara and if he has never been with a woman, if it was true the river would go down. We asked this and it did go down. Saint then said, this time ask the river, that If the Saint ate even a bite of the food we offered to him then go down. These five women did the same, asked the river that question and the river went down again. These women did not understand anything. He ate everything but he did not take anything? He has sixteen thousand wives and he has not been with a single woman. What kind of Yogeshwar is he? One has to understand that Shri Krishna has sixteen thousand powers. In our Vishuddhi chakra sixteen thousand channels work. It has sixteen petals. Do you know they are also known as sixteen art. Vishuddhi chakra has sixteen arts. Similarly, the plexus we have here is known as Cervical plexus. It also has sixteen sub-plexuses. It is in our subtle and in our gross. And each art has one thousand channels, because in our Sahasrara we have thousands of his Nadis. Each Nadi has sixteen Nadis in it, this way we have sixteen thousand nadis right here. This chakra is so important, you must understand. It is responsible for our nose, outer part or our eyes, mouth, throat, teeth, teeth and forehead too. Other than that, our Ego and Superego is also controlled by it. This chakra with sixteen thousand nadis is so important. Shri Krishna is called Dhumil. We can see the dhumi, People say he is black but he has bluish, dhumil colour. And he doesn't like the cigarette smoke at all. He cannot tolerate Tobacco. If you chew tobacco, then this is gone and the stomach is also gone. People are like, Mataji I just take a little bit of tobacco in the pan and even that is also gone. One gentleman came, he is a very good Sahaja Yogi. He is a nice man. I told him to quit tobacco because it is not a good thing and it will give you problems. He did not take it seriously. The one day he came and said, Mataji, I am in big trouble. I said what happened Son? He said when I sit down for meditationI feel like Hanuman's face is forming in me, it becomes very big, then it becomes small. Sometimes when I sit for meditation, it feels like my face is becoming like this, it is becoming kind of crooked. Then I said you lie that you don’t eat tobacco. You eat tobacco right? Then he said, yes I do. I asked him to hold his ears. I told him, if you eat tobacco again you will become hanuman. Your face will become like hanuman’s face. (Mother laughing) Poor guy was a simple person. Although later he gave realization to many people. He was a known man but he was stuck on tobacco. See what happens to a human. Then he quit eating tobacco. It was gone. Now this tobacco is a very bad thing, it is an insecticide. The one that kills the insects, will kill our cells too. It is such a bad thing, I don’t know who asked you to eat this. From where did you learn to eat this? Human beings don’t know what they eat. Why don’t they think that is it written here that one should eat tobacco. ? They wreck themselves eating tobacco. Kundalini won’t rise for such people and they get all the diseases of the world. Now cigarette, this is also a big issue. In England, they write that it is poison and cigarette smoking can lead to cancer. It is written, still people smoke. Still people would smoke secretly. Whoever will come to London, will say give the best cigarette you have here, that I would enjoy. I just keep looking; these big people; big officers, the ones who are considered big officers, those people. They want the whiskey and the cigarette. What public work these people do and what public welfare they do, I don’t understand. This is insecticide, who asked you to eat or drink this. I asked them, in what Shastra or holy book have you read this. You will be shocked that eating tobacco goes so much against our guru tattva. Because of this first the Vishuddhi chakra gets caught and later near nabhi, it accumulates a lot of filth. The kind of cancer people get, I say you should make films and make people watch them. First they remove your, this pipe or poke a hole here, and then slowly they start removing stomach pipes. And this cancer grows so badly. Because in the Virata it’s main place is Vishuddhi chakra. If this gets caught then it bubbles in the whole body. And this smoke gets deposited in the lungs so badly that don’t even ask me. It is such a dangerous thing. It is better to eat poison once and die, if you are really fond of dying. But why do you want to die such a death. But just by telling it won’t work. I know this too. This has to go on its own. That also happens in Sahaja Yoga. This is also a work of Sahaja Yoga. Some of our people in Western Countries, some people even take a lot of drugs. Because there everything is relative. That drug is better than alcohol so take drugs. But alcohol is such a dirty thing, why don’t you quit it. And for them relatively drugs are better than alcohol. And for cigarettes, they think it is a very simple thing. But it is such a dangerous thing. It is also dangerous because to drink alcohol you will have to at least open the bottle, you will need a glass. In London, they have these tricks, they have special glasses for this. For brandy you use this glass, for this you use that. So they can sell their crystals there. For different alcohol, they use different stuff. For that there is a big shastra (book) in french about it. And they are so proud of this as if they have not done better science than this. They have written many big books on this. And God only saves, by the names they give. And that too, that is asked in a particular way, they will say What would you like to drink? They had such an attitude, a person like me did not understand all this. In London they have a culture of shaking hands, that is ok, I give realization doing that. When I leave it is ok. But at the reception there will be five hundred people. They hurt my hands. That is also ok, but when they come drunk, then God only save. You cannot talk to anyone there, without a drink. What a show and this cigarette. If you want to talk to someone then you offer a cigarette, otherwise you cannot talk. There is no communication. Until you give something to a stranger, there is no communication between them. I don’t know what intellect they have, A person like me does not understand this. And what is even surprising is, women smoking. They will wear a saree, also put on nathni (nose jewellery), the latest trend these days, And on top of that cigarette. How to comprehend, In our culture did women ever smoke? Yes, they said, in rural areas in Nepal, women smoke. So now you want to become them? Do you want to become wild? They said they are tribal people. So you want to become tribal people? So if tribal people do it then you also become tribal. There are many people in London, they are like, we want to become primitive. I said you cannot become primitive. It is impracticable because your brain cannot be primitive. You will be a primitive bhoot. When you make hair like this, like a bhoot, why won’t bhoot come to you. Bhoot search out for people like them. (Mother laughing). Bhoot will catch them only. Dress up properly, when you go out so bhoot will stay away from you. If you are a drunkard, then a drunkard bhoot will come and sit on you. Then you will drink so much alcohol that you won’t believe. If you are a smoker, then a bhoot who likes cigars will come to you. You don’t know that things like this happen. And if you have that cigar bhoot in you and you don’t get cigar from anywhere, then you are gone. Then life loses its charm. All Your life you will cry, I did not get the cigar. Your whole life is dependent on cigars, how dangerous it is. You must understand. English people used to drink very less alcohol but now their third generation will all die in the pubs. In our country too, it is a very dangerous thing. Once someone is high on alcohol, you can buy any officer or minister if they drink alcohol. It is a weakness. It is such a weak thing. Human beings have so much weakness in them. It makes humans very weak. Because you can buy it, a bottle. Morarji Bhai says he will do something, God knows when he will start it. You guys write so many bad things about him, that is why he is not doing it. He said it will lead to even more bootlegging. It will happen but after a few days, it will stop. Let them die, if they are going to die because of this bootlegging, They have to die anyways, It will be good for them and for us. And some people give explanations, that it will make it grow. It would never grow. If not in the first generation or the second generation, but in the third generation people will definitely quit alcohol. Try quitting first. Pakistanis are better than us, they hit people with heavy sticks. (danda). Because of this alcohol, women become miserable, their houses become miserable. My husband used to run this office. He became very socialistic and he increased the drivers’ salary to 1000 Rs. After four-five months their wives came complaining about their husbands. They said what a disaster you did. I asked why? They said first thing alcohol and second thing prostitutes and third thing they don’t even come home. They stay out only. They will bring alcohol in the house and the kids do not have food to eat. Sir, instead of making their salary 1000 Rs, It would have been better if you had paid for our kids’ education. You could have done us good in a different way. Now these people fight for salary appraisal. Don’t increase their salary; they will only drink alcohol and wont do anything. It is better if you give them a house, give them clothes. They should also know how to spend the money. You notice that when you increase the salary of a servant, you think you are doing big kindness, charity work. You think you are doing favours on them. They will really show you what the money does. One should have dignity to receive money, they should have some prestige. You can never improve through money. You give them food to eat, it's ok but do not make them beggars. If you give 25 paise to a beggar, he will buy a cinema ticket and watch cinema. You see. One must understand how to balance with money. The money that will lead to buying dirty things, that money’s distribution or growth will not make any country prosper. A nation prospers because of the humans. Now we have this imagination that we develop our country like this, you will not get anything other than plastic. What do they have, stones? Humans should be prosperous. Every human should be a king. A king like Shri Krishna. He was a shepherd and used to take cows for grazing, but he was the king of kings. He would sleep on the floor but he was a king. One should be king by nature not king of plastic. The one who runs after things, after diamonds, jewellery and who tortures others, Who will be more wretched and beggar than such person. This is a sign of misery. A satisfied being is actually a king. It won't take long for us Indians to become such kings. Just look at them, so many have even got it and where they are sitting today. Shri Krishna gave numerous blessings to this world. Great blessings he gave, that he incarnated and he gave us that light that we should achieve the absolute and to accept only the absolute. And under his power only we should grow. And after taking refuge at Krishna’s feet, Our Vishuddhi also opened completely. And we become a witness. We will offer our namaskar and prayers to him and we will meditate.

3/18/1979

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[Hindi to English translation] Public program, Sahasrara (Hindi). Delhi (India). 18 March 1979. It should be understood what Sahasrara is. No scripture has vividly described anything about Sahasrara, not because people would not have known about it, but because, till then the Sahasrara had not been fully opened, so no one wrote anything about it. Sahasrara means - like this (flower) bud, if we consider our brain to be a lotus flower, then inside it, layer by layer, like these petals, each different level has been made, and these layers are formed from grey matter and white matter. In the center, if you open and see, inside that you will see the core (gabha – गाभा) and thousands of small, small pollen, (paraga – पराग) inside that.Similarly, our brain is made up of fat, and it has layers. If you take a cross-section of the brain and study it, you will be surprised that inside, you will see each layer, they look exactly like the petals of a lotus flower. Because doctors had no relation with poetry, they don’t think of such a comparison. Doctors are mostly enemies of poetry, so they can’t see this thing. But God is integrated – he is poetic also and is also creative, so he has made the brain like a beautiful lotus flower too. And it has one thousand petals or layers, “Sahasrara”. And inside each petal or layer, in the center, is the thread (sutra – सूत्र) of energy. And below them, in the center, is the core which has pollen. When the thousand petals close, there is an empty space in the middle. [Apart: Don’t move your attention so much, sit quietly now. So, what if someone’s handkerchief fell down? While I am speaking, I am also opening your thousand petals, and I’m also speaking, I’m doing all of this effort by my willpower, so at this time, you should not do something just casually. You should not move your eyes suddenly, just like that. Keep your eyes steady — this is something you must do in Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise, if your attention goes to such things, close your eyes.] Now, in the core, down below, there is a, sort of a circular bed, and above that, there is empty space – which doctors call as “limbic area”. The pollen here are the thousand chakras that are in our body. I have told you only about seven chakras – just by knowing seven chakras one gets self-realized, if you include the sun and moon chakras, then anyways these are nine chakras. But there are one thousand chakras in your body, they are not yet awakened – but there is no need to be afraid, they will be awakened gradually. So, the one thousand chakras are placed on that bed which is in the core, and above that is the limbic area. Out of them, are the seven main chakras that you already know of. There are seven main chakras and their seats are here (in the core), similarly, the seats of all the thousand chakras are also there. In all, there are one thousand chakras, out of which we regard seven to be the main chakras; then there are sub plexuses, but all this will be too much detail.Now see how these seven chakras are formed inside us. (In the head) first, this is Agnya, this you know, now behind it, is the Mooladhara, third, back here is the Swadishthana, above that, is the Nabhi chakra, above that is the heart chakra, here is Krishna’s chakra. If you are properly self-realized, then by placing finger here, you can control that chakra, these are the seats. This is Shri Krishna’s chakra. Sometimes, I ask you to lift your hair because on the sides there are these 2 chakras that I have told you about that take care of ego and super-ego, these are the places of Buddha and Mahavira, so these are 2 more chakras, so seven plus two, nine chakras. This is the heart chakra, the place of the heart chakra. If a man’s heart is weak, his Realization also remains a bit weak, and then here he gets nourished. So, the core or the bed of Sahasrara contains seats for all the one thousand chakras, and these one thousand chakras guide the one thousand layers. And the big-big chakras that are outside, at least they get awakened after Realization. Now, how does the Sahasrara look before Realization? Similar to how a flower bud looks — all the layers are covered, and inside there is no light; not enlightened. But when your Kundalini rises from bottom to top, then these seats (of chakras) get enlightened. At a minimum, these seven seats (get enlightened), because the Kundalini does pass through these seven chakras. So, when these seven seats get awakened, and because of that the pollen in the core also get some light, then Sahasrara looks like thousand candles that have wicks inside, but the candles are not lighted. Like if there are candles placed through layers but not lighted, then nothing will be visible. It looks as though a flame is lighted from here, then you can see only these flames, but these flames are very gentle. In the bible, it is said, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames” — similarly, alive and moving flames like that, moving very beautifully, in many colours especially in seven main colours. Then Sahasrara opens like this, and then Kundalini passes through the middle of them and goes up.In a person who has less hair, if you see, a hole forms here, in the Nabhi, because the Kundalini rises from the Nabhi, then a hole is formed here, then here, then comes in the fontanelle bone area (talu) and then a depression forms in the fontanelle bone area. So those who are realized souls, have a depression in the fontanelle bone area similar to that in infants – that should be maintained. I will tell you later how to make it. So, this is how Sahasrara is awakened. Now there is a lot to understand next. In a human being, the heart goes on one side, the brain goes on the other, liver goes in a third side; and the human being does not have control over these three things, they each go their own way. Now the human heart would desire eating this thing, then brain will say don't eat this it will cause trouble, and after eating the liver will say what a useless thing was eaten and will throw it away. On emotions if we like something and we accept it, that it is looking very good... in western countries, it is the only criteria, this is the only way or proof of knowing, that "I like it"; that " You like it?" - then finished, then no question after that. "But, I like it" - then finished. "I" - there is a big "I" there. And when that "I" started, then it is the order given by the brain, this "I like it" is the order given by the ego, not by the heart. So it is not understandable if what we want from the heart is right, or that what we want from the brain is right, that we… what gives us trouble in the stomach, what causes that? A human being does not understand these three things; that how to know if something is really okay for us or bad? Like it was said earlier, "Satyam vadet, Priyam vadet" (speak the truth, speak what is pleasing). So people said, this is very difficult. If you speak the truth, it is not going to be pleasing, and if you say what is pleasing, it will not be the truth. Because truth will be known through rationality, what is pleasing will be known by heart... and liver will go according to its own accord, you don't know when will it mess up. So Krishna said the middle thing, he said, "Satyam vadet, Hitam vadet, Priyam vadet" (speak the truth, speak benevolence, speak what is pleasing). That if you say something beneficial and auspicious, which gives benevolence, then even if it is unpleasant for some time, it will become pleasing later. And the question about truth is, what will be the truth? Suppose, a man is coming to murder someone. And the one who he wants to murder came and hid behind you. And he asks you about the man whom he wants to murder. Now the truth is that you know because he is hiding behind, will it be the truth to tell him? And if this is the truth, then you will get him killed, you will be the reason for him getting killed. Then the dilemma is, what is the truth? And people use rationality in truth: that this is unauthorized, who is he to ask us, who are we to tell him... The language, definition of truth is that one must also be a bearer of truth. Otherwise, Jesus Christ has said, "Why are you casting pearls before swines?" A man like Jesus Christ said that, who was very forgiving, was the incarnation of forgiveness. He said what is the use of speaking our words, auspicious words in front of these wicked people? The truth is to be told with a great balance. This is the advantage of rationality, but if there is no wisdom in rationality, then that subtlety is finished. The one who has wisdom, says the truth very loudly, but he keeps on weighing and tells the truth in a way that it gets absorbed. Otherwise, it is useless, what is the use of throwing such truth? So now the question is, how to match (integrate) these three? That is, how do we satisfy our Mental being, Emotional being, Physical being, and finally, our Spiritual Being? Because there is no integration within us. Integration meaning, the front of every - for example if you take ten needles, and they have ten holes, then a thread that passes through all of them integrates them. So integration is not in us. Within our being, integration is not there. Our one hand wants one thing, the other hand wants another, the eye wants one thing, the intellect wants another, the ego wants a third thing, the super-ego fourth thing. So we - for example, if there is a point in space which is being pulled by a lot of forces, it will not go anywhere, it cannot have any progress, and it will get diffused. When your Realization has not happened, integration has not happened, what should be the arrangement? For this, God has made a very good arrangement within us. So he pulled it from all four sides from below and put a bridge in the middle like this pandal. By pulling a point from many sides, if you put a bridge in the middle, then it becomes like a tent or a pandal, similarly a human being becomes when he stands on the support of dharma. Until you become paar* (पार - gone across), you will be tied like this tent – you neither wobble too much on this side nor on that side, remaining stable in the middle. And because you have not gone into extremes, it becomes very easy at the time of awakening of the Kundalini, the Kundalini just pierces and goes up, and then very beautifully the whole sky opens up. Then you become completely integrated, your thread runs inside the fronts (agra - अग्र) of all the chakras I have told you about. And when this thread runs from within - then the attention which is in your stomach - this thread runs with that attention on its head. If you have to insert a cloth through a hole, you put a needle or something inside that cloth and you move it from inside. In the same way, your attention, by sitting on the Kundalini, itself comes up, and then becomes one with the all-pervading power. When Kundalini comes in Sahasrara, it integrates all seven chakras. So the guru mantra of Sahasrara is – integration, unification. Integration. The task of the incarnation of Sahasrara is to integrate all religions, integrate all truths, and integrate all hearts. First, you have been integrated within yourself, after that, everyone's hearts have been integrated, everyone's intellects have been integrated, and everyone's nabhis have been integrated. For this, imagine if you take such needles which are placed in this way, and for you to integrate them, you will have to bring these needles exactly in the middle, so their holes all come together (align). If they are off here or there, then when the thread goes from inside, Kundalini will not be able to ascend. So there are some practical things that you would want to understand, like these are the fronts (agra - अग्र) I showed to you, these. Now if they are properly aligned one above the other, then Kundalini will go straight through them. But if they have been stretched, then there will be vacant space here. Although the Kundalini may slide up a bit, but if there is weakness in chakra, she will fall down again. The work of Sahasrara is that when those who have authority of Sahasrara come in the world, then lift up the Kundalini, bring into Sahasrara, and pierce from here - this is the work of Sahasrar. This is one bandh (बंध), especially the bandh... as I said that all the bandh's of Raja Yoga happen in the rising of the Kundalini. They do not to be done, they do not to be done - understand this a hundred times - Raja Yoga cannot be done, it happens inside yourself. Even hatha Yoga is not done - that also happens inside. Even when a guru does it, (s)he makes it happen. And in the end the Mahayoga happens at the Sahasrara, where it is the time for your union. So, when all the force stops here in the Sahasrar, first "Entry into the Kingdom of God" takes place. This is the Kingdom of God, this is it. When you make an entry into it, first thoughtless awareness comes because you cross the Agnya, you become thoughtless, so now your attention does not expand towards thoughts, this is arranged first. Gradually, however much attention the Kundalini can suck-in, she sucks in above. When Kundalini has pulled up your attention however much could be, absorbed it, however much attention came above, then first of all she calms your "moordha" (मूर्धा) which is the lower part of the brain. And from that "moordha", the Kundalini rains (or showers) a little in our these 2 Nadis (channels) which are called Ida (left) and Pingala (right). It does not happen in everyone, happens in many, the reason is that, in those whose Ida or Pingala Nadi is not alright or is too active, meaning who had too much sympathetic activity, such attentions are found to be stretched. So, after she comes at the "moordha", which is the lower plate of the brain, this is before crossing the Agnya, the Kundalini spreads herself (छा जाती है) here. So the person feels that the eyes are getting bit heavy, feels some relaxation, feels slightly sleepy. In the beginning, if someone is too burdened, then there will be slightly more sleepiness. Then she spreads here, after which, these 2 Nadis (Ida and Pingala) start becoming lighter, meaning after coming on these Nadis, their fronts (agra - अग्र) start improving gradually. Then the part of Kundalini which descends down, it again comes in the Nabhi and then rises again -- now these are all bandh's (बंध), I will not tell you all those long-winded things -- however, she rises up again. After ascending, She crosses the Agnya chakra again - actually, she first just touches the Agnya chakra slightly. When she crosses the Agnya chakra, then dilatation of the pupils takes place so I ask you to close your eyes. Now doctors do not know whether dilatation of the pupil is exactly sympathetic or parasympathetic activity, they say that it is sympathetic/parasympathetic, they don't know, they are still fighting about it, because they are not able to settle all these things right now. However, now we have nothing to say to them, but dilation of the pupils takes place. The eyes become completely black. Now, these foreigners who have blue/green eyes, their eyes also look black, so they say that mother our eyes have become black? I said you are my child, so you will have eyes like mine. Because the pupils dilate completely. Sometimes it dilates so much in some, that at that time it seems for a moment, that everything has become dark, just for a moment but most can't see. Happens to a few, there is nothing to worry about, it happens just for a moment. A lady, we had a lady doctor, I was giving her Realization, it could not be finished, but she said she had to leave. While going in a car, she felt as if it was getting dark, so he stopped the car on one side. She felt like this for a while and after that, she felt like she had blossomed. She went and called from there, that I don't know what happened to me, I just opened up, so it happened to me on the way, mother, so why is that? So I said you had dilatation of the pupils. And for this, I ask you to close your eyes. Because the poor Kundalini stops, she thinks so much, she knows everything, that the eyes are open, so just wait and then open, otherwise, if it will go into the eyes suddenly, this person should not become afraid. Very soft, very delicately, slowly, like "gajgaamini" (गजगामिनी, one who moves in a graceful way like the walk of an elephant), slowly-slowly, watching your eyes carefully, and then - But when does the Sahasrara close even after the Kundalini has come in it? I have told you, I do not know whether I have not told you or not, that the Kundalini is made of many strands (बल), just like a rope that is formed from many strands of threads. So in the beginning, only one or two strands pierce absolutely in the very innermost of that which is called Bramhanadi which is right in the middle of the Sushumna Nadi – now I have not told all these lengthy, fine details – and they (strands of Kundalini) come out from inside of it (Bramhanadi). There is no alternative to this. It is a very subtle. Only one or two strands of the Kundalini rise from inside of it (Bramhanadi). And after coming up, they push the attention up here, they keep the attention pushed up here. So because of this event, your attention is removed from the outside, and here they (strands of Kundalini) nourish and awaken your Sahasrar, and due to its awakening, chakras also start getting awakened gradually. Because there are seats here, as the seat of our India is in Delhi. If you have to get some work done, you have to come to Delhi, even if you want to get work done in Madras. Similarly, because the seats here, you have to come here. So when they (strands of Kundalini) come here, then orders are issued from here that - yes, wake up; then your chakras get awakened, and the deities within them get awakened. In some it happens very fast, in some, it happens late, in some, it happens very late, in some, it takes even one month; happens sometimes, but I am not at fault for this. After this, your Sahasrara opens, but that too opens only when you have accumulated enough attention inside. That's why I say, don't move your eyes here and there, because, due to the eyes your attention gets distracted here and there. If you keep looking at me, then whatever is growing inside me, the voice is coming - Chaitnaya (vibrations) is coming, isn't it? Chaitanya (vibrations) also goes through your eyes, and by that your Ganeshji is pacified, that's why I ask you to keep your eyes open. But later, even when I ask you to close your eyes, then I ask you to stabilize the attention, because as soon as the attention becomes stable here, then it gets established here properly, it gets fixed because of its pressure... which means that this thing is not mechanical. Kundalini understands all this, she organizes, awakens; and she loves you. She is the power of love. Like your mother has the power of love, a thousand-times more, million times more than that is this power of love within you. So she does all this with great understanding and gives you rebirth. But Sahastrar's hand is the biggest in this, that the integrated awakening of the seven chakras takes place in it.In Sahasrara integrated awakening happens. Suppose seven men are working in parallel, doing seven types of work, nothing will get formed from that. If you want to build a house, you need cement, wood, stone, and whatever else is needed. Now you put seven things separately, it doesn't make any sense. To harmonize those seven things, to coordinate them, to organize them, and finally when completely such state comes, when so much attention reaches there, at that time opening the Sahasrara, this is Sahasrar's work. The deity of Sahastrar is "Nishkalanka" (unblemished), his name is Nishkalanka, people also call him Kalki. Kalki incarnation will also be coming. Kalki is an incarnation of Mahavishnu - meaning it is on the Vishnu principle, Vishnu principle means evolutionary. And evolution has two meanings – in evolution, always there is creation and then destruction. Like we had very big-big animals earlier, you must have heard names like mammoth, etc., among them was elephant also. So elephant still exists, evolution happened, and elephant was saved because it was found to be al lright, not too big, and not bad. It was saved. You must have read about "Gajendra moksha" (गजेंद्र मोक्ष, salvation of elephant king), elephant was saved by Vishnu. I don't know how many people read or not. That place is very beautiful, on the bank of the Gandak river. If you ever get a chance, go see it. There is also a park, and a very beautiful place, where Sitaji went and lived near Sage Valmiki. It is a very beautiful place, worth seeing. Valmiki Nagar is a place in Bihar where "Gajendra moksha" (saving of elephant) happened. "Gajendra moksha" is a reminder that Vishnu saved only elephant among these big animals, and all the other animals had to be destroyed because they had grown too large. So always you see that, even in a tree, when a tree forms a flower, when the flower becomes a fruit, something falls off from it and something becomes the fruit. Some things definitely fall off, and some things become the fruit. That is how it is in Sahaja Yoga also. Now it is a matter of fruition. Now fruits have taken place, now whatever is waste and useless, or harmful, all that will have to be thrown out, brushed off. Like in the case of wheat, we keep the thing as it is, till its hair mature in the sun, then gets completely separated, then you know how we separate it - when the wind blows [unclear word] catches in it, and the wheat separates from it and the chaff falls apart. You see this every day. So that event will happen when Kalki will incarnate. At that time he will not give you realization, will not explain anything to you, he will not do any work like me. He will not have the time. He will just bring eleven rudras – which I had said, eleven Rudras are to be incarnated, Rudra means the destructive power of Shiva, so he has eleven destructive powers, he will come into the world upon awakening them – and he will destroy whatever useless things are there, will put them in their place. And all the destructive forces that exist will be completely destroyed, and in this way, "Raam Rajya" (Shri Rama's rule) will be established in the world, which we call "Kingdom of God", "Thy Kingdom Come". All people will be Realized Souls, they will be endowed with collective consciousness, and from that they will be working, using that they will work. So, now its last stage is in front of you at this time. It is not only about fixing our social or political, or the pace of our time, but it is the last time, now the time has come for this creation to achieve that for which the whole world was created. Just as a pot is made, whatever is useless to it is thrown out. In the same way, whatever is useless, whatever is harmful, whatever is destructive, whatever is in opposition to God, whatever is painful everything will be destroyed. That's why, I am a mother, and the mother always thinks for her child that he should get benevolence and auspiciousness - and if she is the giver of that, then she wants that whatever is my "punya", whatever I have, my children take all of it, take everything, but get all their own. Mother's power grows in the children only. She doesn't care about her own power. She is proud of her children's power, and she is contained in the power of her children, and she has no other existence. If you people are not there, then I am not there, if you people are there then I exist, such is the thing. Otherwise, I am absolutely a bubble, I have no meaning, I have just come, and will disappear just like that, there is no meaning to this human body. You are its meaning. Like a matchstick, it has meaning by how many lamps it has lit, otherwise, it has no meaning. In the same way, is Sahaja Yoga work. By looking at its depth, its importance, its profoundness, and its divine power, you should understand that what you have got it is invaluable. When people get something readily from the Mother, they don't think much of it. This happening (realization) takes place very strongly, especially in my presence. There are people sitting here right now, who were saying that "on the first day my Kundalini stood up so strongly, the whole night I was in bliss, and this happened, and, then now it came down"... So this also happens. So you will say, Mother what have you done? Using my willpower, I had you sit on my Kundalini and gave you birth from my heart, and from your Sahasrar in fact, I gave you complete birth. Just as a mother nourishes a child in her lap, and then gives birth to it, in the same way you have been given birth from Sahasrara. And it is such a universal phenomenon, that it happens even on the photograph. It is surprising that there are so many vibrations in my photos too, it is a matter of surprise. And I owe it a lot to science, even as I speak through this (microphone), my vibrations are getting carried. Many times when your chakras catch, then I put this (microphone) on the Agnya (Shri Mataji's), then your Agnya gets cleared. See, science was created so it would be useful to Sahaja Yoga. If you put me in the TV, on the TV, and if people put their hands towards me, then I don't know how many people will get realization. But I don't know when will such days come when TV people say, Mother, please sit, and we will take vibrations from you. It is a very difficult task, they never even call me, and people tried, they say, many such cunning people keep coming. One of my disciples, poor thing she had just come to England, then the TV people got after her, she is a painter or something. So she said that such a great power is sitting here, why are you after me, get her to do something (like a program). So then they inquired who and what, and then said, so many have come here and gone. And they had programs with all the wicked, but have a program with me. There is a big flaw with truth that until a lot of people do not come in positivity, the light of truth does not come in. Because if you are a stone and even if sunshine falls on you, there will be no reflection. Yes, if you have a mirror, then its light will come out. So the first task I said, let's start making mirrors first of all. Now in your city of Delhi many people have become realized, many. It's a great thing. In city, in such short time, I was able to give realization to so many people in Mumbai also, And even after so many people got realized, after I am gone, you see what happens. Now all of you make a resolution within yourself too. My resolve has been fulfilled. Today you also have to resolve that whatever happens, we will keep our Kundalini alright, whatever we have to leave, we have to leave the gurus, we have to leave anything that mother asked to leave, we will keep our Kundalini awakened, and we will keep ourselves alright. For this, the biggest thing that has to be remembered is that this is the work of Viraat. Now the Sahasrar of the Viraat has opened, which means this is now a collective work. This is not individual work, it is collective work. So at home, you can do a bit of clearing, but unless you go to the centers, it will not work out that deeply. We have had some amazing people. When I came, some people got realized so strongly, today itself one gentleman had come, everyone said "how good he is, how wonderful", but today his vibrations are not that great. There was another gentleman, he was very well educated, he kept arguing with me a bit, his motor moved a bit slowly, but slowly-slowly I now see he has risen very high. Very surprising. The one who took a big leap remained there itself, and the one who moved slowly has moved ahead. You must have read that story about the hare (and tortoise)? I see that the case is similar in Sahaja Yoga. So the one who has completely adopted it with determination rises very high. And the biggest thing is collectivity. You have to give it to others. If you do not give to others, it will not work out. Slowly give to others. By giving, you yourself will understand how it is given. Nobody lights a lamp to keep it under a chair, correct? These lamps should be lit and their lamp-pillars should be made, so that others who are looking for their way, may come on the right path and reach the shore. Now I have to tell a little about what should be done, what should not be done. First of all, we should first find out about ourselves, what kind of habits do we have? Straightforward, because first thing is to see yourself. First you have to look at yourself, then you can look at others, right? So first we have to see what is the defect, what is wrong with us. Then you will see that you have got strange habits, which are not needed. So like you have done in Sahaja Yoga, you have to similarly do for your habits, that you tell me on the photograph, that Mother please get me rid of this habit. Straightforward. First, use my resolve, then keep attention to yourself. I have seen such people, big drunkards... There was a gentleman in Singapore, he used to smoke too many cigarettes, that his chest was as if rotten from inside due to the cigarettes. When he came in front of me in meditation, so much of cigarette came out of him, bad smell of cigarette, and after that fragrance started coming out of him. Now he is in such a state that whenever he tried to smoke, he would get the fragrance, so his attention would move away (from smoking). So it should be remembered that you have got these habits because you are not able to face yourself, you are not able to see yourself, so the habit is formed. Suppose a man is sitting quietly at a party, he feels I am bad, I am having to see myself, so immediately he took a cigarette, that somehow remove the mind from here. If four friends came, now it is best for the four friends to talk, exchange with each other, be happy from that, but they felt that if they sit with each other, they will have to see each other, there will be an exchange, so better light cigarettes, take alcohol, just disappear from there. This is escapism, we call it running away from the battlefield. It is only because of this escapism that addictions are formed in man, all the addictions are due to escape. Because man does not feel empowered, and he does not know how to enjoy himself. So anytime you start having such desires, start laughing at yourself, that great mister, what to say, now you are remembering cigarette? And this cigarette, Mother I give it up in your name. By doing any kind of talk like this, coax your mind a bit. Now this mind you have, is a horse, and the horse climbs on you. You have to sit on this horse. After Sahaja Yoga, you can bring the mind under such control, as you could have never done. If you had tried earlier, you would have developed abnormalities. If you suppress the mind, don't know what can happen. Now tell the mind that, go on the right path, sir. Now you know how to move this horse, you have become an expert, when the horse knows that now you have learned the skill, that it should cooperate and walk straight, then the horse itself takes you there. So the horse should neither be dropped (felled) nor tortured. Tell it that sir, you know the destination, now let's go. Now you should start seeing yourself as other [press?], that whoever this Mr. X is, let's say this Nirmala, see, how she is getting these whims now. So the one who starts laughing at himself becomes great in Sahaja Yoga. He laughs at himself, that from where did this horse of ego come in me, now how can I remove it, how is this bed bug (ego) biting me, in this way he removes himself. Because now there is light inside. As soon as there is light inside, you start seeing your chakras, you can't see them with the eyes, but can be felt on the hands. Now you do not feel sad, but you will say that my Agnya chakra is bad, everyone says that. The Agnya chakra is bad even in mad people. But man does not feel bad that my Agnya chakra is bad because his Agnya starts hurting. "Mother, please cure my Agnya", or you will rub (clear) your own if it is catching. This means, your awareness now becomes such, that it does not tolerate any filth. See what a feat of Sahaja Yoga, but if you stay with it. For example, an animal going from a street does not see that there is filth, bad smell, it just walks, neither does it notice beauty. These days the flowers are in bloom so much, you go on looking, "Ahaha what flowers have bloomed". Whether flowers, grass, leaves, are all the same to animals, makes no difference. As human consciousness is of beauty, in the same way, after realization you get a complete idea of your own beauty also, whatever is ugly in the world, it automatically makes you feel bad, meaning your chakras catch, you say, “oh no, got caught up”. Your friends will change, your companions will change, your priorities will change, you get a transformative change in you. But stay with Sahaja Yoga, flow in its stream, don't get upset in it. There was an American girl, she was into business, she knew all about what is imported, what is exported, how much is earned, where every cent goes, she was quite miserly. She wrote to me that, Mother since I have become realized, I can't remember how much came in, what came in, but my business has grown significantly and I can't remember, everything is working by itself. So you become a witness, you see - this has come, that went, this came, you are viewing that, "wow, what fun is going on". You start watching everything as a witness. Now if any question comes before you, you watch as a witness. Now tell me if without a witness form, can there be a solution for anything? Suppose you are drowning in water, then you will drown, how will you survive? But when you want to get out of the water and look at the water, you can survive. In Sahaja Yoga, you have come out of the water and in the boat. But now if you want to get down into the water, then go, because freedom is the prasad of Sahaja Yoga, you are completely free. You become so free that you will get rid of all habits, you will be free from whatever had enslaved you, but if you want to get stuck there, then go, you have freedom for that also. And then you go with a great force, the higher a man has risen, he falls with that much force. So be careful. In this matter, you do not have to be afraid of anyone. Even Sahaja Yoga, you don't need to tell anyone forcefully, if you see a man is going in this way, slowly you can make him. That thing you have, you can nourish it. But be wise while talking to people. Now one thing you must always remember is that a cool breeze is coming in our hands – this is undeniable, there is no doubt about it. And it has been described by Adi Shankaracharya and others. If you have to read the Bible, then I have told you that it is in John's revelations, that cool breeze comes out of the Holy Ghost, all that is described in the Bible. And in all our books, Chaitanya Laharis (cool breeze) have been written about, it's not a new thing. Don't forget this. It is a great truth. It is a subtle thing, and you should understand how wrong it will be to lose it. You must not lose it. Now when I leave, many people will experience that the Kundalini will go to places where you have weaknesses. For example, if you have liver trouble, then the Kundalini will go down into the liver, no problem in that. The people at the center (Sahaja Yogis) are quite smart, you should ask them about what is happening and what should you do. They will tell you how to take vibrations and nourish yourself. You don't have to renounce your house, no need to renounce anything, but the need is to get into the essence of everything. You do not have to renounce any religion also. Whatever religion you belong to, stay with that religion. Although after realization you go beyond religion, you do not have any religion left. When you believe in Mohammad Sahab also, also in Nanak Sahab, and in Hazrat Ali also, in Fatimabai also, and in Sitaji also, also in Jesus Christ, and also in Ganeshji, then how can you sit in these small compartments of religions? Then you become "dharmateet" (beyond religions/dharmas), and beyond religions, you also become "gunateet" (beyond gunas or properties), gunas meaning three -- Tamo guna (Left side), Rajo guna (Right), and Satwa guna. Due to Tamo guna, a person keeps thinking about past things, and sleeps too much. Due to Rajo guna, you become overactive, overactivity. The problems of Rajo guna are more in the west, but now they have started here also. The problem with Satwa guna is that one becomes too interested in dharma and becomes bit scared of Tamo guna and Rajo guna. But because of balancing, Satwa guna is okay. But you go beyond these three, you don't worry about anything. Now it is not like, "if after getting up in the morning, I did not do namaskar to mother at 9, now I'm gone" -- it is never like this in Sahaja Yoga. Know this. I am saying this, beyond dharma, "dharmateet", "gunateet". Not necessary... it's a matter of the Mother. But the mind has to be kept clean. If something (ritual) could not be done, what's the big deal? It is not necessary that the cow was not touched... such is not mother's work. Believe from the heart. When you believe from the heart... Then Shabri's ber (berries), Ram ate. Which dharma did he follow? Which berries were washed, wiped, or cleaned? But given with love, he ate them. So in love, these bondages are not there. But automatically beautiful maryadas (boundaries) get created in a human being. It is fun to roam in it because it is from that maryada (boundary) that its beautiful shape and form gets formed automatically. Just keep the attention there. Now after Sahaja Yoga many people say that Mother had said that everything happens automatically, so there is no need to do anything. (Shri Mataji laughed). I want to touch upon both the points because if I push from this extreme, then they go to the other extreme, and if I push from there, they come to this extreme -- you still haven't become "dharmatit" (beyond dharmas). You first have to tie your dharmas. First, tie your dharmas, then you will transcend them (become dharmatit)... After you get self-realized, you have to go through three stages. As it is, whatever the situation is, whatever the state is, has its own rights and its own blessings. For instance, suppose I become the head of some place, then it has its authority, then if I become the "sarpanch" (head of village), then from the head, the authority becomes that of the "sarpanch", then suppose I become a minister, then that has its authority, then if I become Prime Minister, then it has its own authority, similarly, according to our state, we receive rights from the kingdom of God.So the first right you absolutely have got is, you have got dharma which means you can become thoughtless. Getting thoughtless awareness. Not become paar* yet, just thoughtless awareness, meaning the thoughtless awareness has come after the awakening of the Kundalini -- just based on this little thing, you can cure anyone's health problems. Any physical disease you can cure, meaning you can give wellbeing, meaning you can give bodily comfort. Just this much. But there are many who say they cure others by touching or something, they are not paar*. But the [sounds like "fake"] healers are of two types, ones who work with bhoots (dead souls) - leave them, they heal with bhoots; the other, whose Kundalini has crossed the Agnya, they also cure by touching or something, some of them are paar* and they cure. There was a gentleman in London who was paar* and he used to heal others. Later when he came to me, he found out everything, but he was paar*. So there may be people who are paar*, some people whose Kundalini has crossed the Agnya. Keep one hand towards the photo and the other on this, and after doing namaskar to the photo, you can cure their diseases. Think, disease cure! Now when the Kundalini has crossed over and if your Kundalini has pierced, you can awaken Kundalini. All of you who have become paar* can awaken the Kundalini of others, and after some time you can also make them paar*. See, just in thoughtlessness you got so much and as soon and just as you become paar*, you got this blessing. Even if your chakras are catching, you can still awaken other's Kundalini completely cleanly (Nirmal), she's not going to touch, even if your chakras are caught, the other's chakras won't be affected, see the wonder of Sahaja Yoga. All the Sahaja Yogis who are here will appreciate this fact that even if their chakras are catching and they give realization, that realization is completely clean (Nirmal). It is surprising but true. What more do you want. Kundalini awakened from your hand, with your hand the Kundalini rose. On my feet, you must have seen that you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini very well. But even when, you raise the Kundalini, you will be able to see, you will come to know you felt coolness till here, here and here. If you can learn the chakras, as to how to tie them, how to raise them above, if you learn its art, the "vidya". It is the "Vidya" (true knowledge). "Vidya" means rising the Kundalini, making paar*, and being authorized for it. After you become authorized, you raise the Kundalini of anyone sitting down wherever you are. Its second right is that you have come into the collective consciousness. Now its rights what should I describe to you, how many infinite rights you have obtained. That if you want to know about someone, all forward-looking instruments and all get switched on. We have an English gentleman. His father was very sick. He said, "Mother it's been many days since I received their letter, what should I do". I told him, what's in it, you do like this and check. When checked, he felt a catch at this place. Now, this (probably pointing on the hand) is father's place, this is mother's place. Father's this chakra is catching means he has some serious thing like bronchitis or something. So he telephoned, his mother came on the line, and when he asked about his father, she said he has serious bronchitis. So he started moving his hands like this and this - see this is also a power you have - he started clearing like this and he felt better, and there the father also got alright. You won't believe, this power has come in you. What do you understand about yourself? You have become paar* (realized), have become saints, are people endowed with great experience. But you do not know because in Sahaja Yoga you get the biggest thing, humility.These people are not even realized, they do not know anything, absolutely useless people, they are sitting there making their own big-big monasteries; strange, monkey-like people. And you people, despite being paar*, despite having your realization, you say nothing, you do nothing, I don't understand who had asked people to be so humble! They are shy even in saying that "I am a Realized Soul". There are many such people who don't even want to tell that they are realized. You are! Absolutely. You have got it based on your pre-earned wealth (your punyas or good deeds). This was meant to happen to you, so it has happened. You do not get any ego in it. What you are, you should say, "Yes, we have got our realization, Mataji has given us, we went there and it happened". (Laughingly) Defame my name only if you have to do it, If you feel so shy then say "yes, Mother did it", I don't mind. But you are realized, surely you are realized. And it's a very big thing. It is not any initiation-finitiation; you are realized souls! You try using this (power), thousands of things happen in it. You grow in it, then you will find out how many deep things work out in this. In the collective consciousness, you give realization to a man, you will come to know which of his chakras are catching. You just rotate your hand properly on him -- there is a difference in doing it from the front vs the back, you go to the centers and learn the subtleties -- and then it will be alright. It's not a lie at all. After Sahaja Yoga, you will not get any physical trouble at all, even if you have any, just learn how to correct it. You can correct yourself, and also others. Believe it, it is such a thing that your entire store has been opened, but if you do not use it, what can I do? In a few days, it will be locked again. if you use it, see how awakened your own power is. Now the gurus who show you all kinds of miracles of the world have not given you any power, so such a guru should not be accepted as guru. One who gives you your power is the guru. The one who connects you with the divine is considered to be a guru. So if one is realized, but has not given you realization, why should you accept that as guru? So, there is no need to bow your head in front of anyone. Never needed. Let thousands bow down, but you do not, you are paar*, you are higher than them. Now this vibratory awareness has come in you, you have got vibrations in you. You can ask them any question you want to ask. You know that many people became paar* just by asking questions. This is vibratory awareness, your computer has started, now you have to know everything from this. Like man knows everything from his humanity, similarly after realization, now know through this. "Mother, what to do in this" -- check vibrations. Initially, there may be some dilemma, some confusion, you may feel. this is not correct. After using it, you will be surprised by how exact it is. We keep giving bandhans from morning till evening that they get good sense, this thing gets corrected, this, that. One day, while giving vibrations to Mr. Nixon, it felt now he's going to get his 'welfare' (Shri Mataji laughed). All the boys told me that Mother his vibrations are going all bad. This was many days back. Much before his 'welfare' (impeachment), that everyone came to know. You can also correct people at home using vibrations. But first is to improve yourself. If due to a guru there are quarrels and discord at a home, and if they follow a guru at that home, and if the discord and strife is increasing, I don't understand what use is the guru? Gradually so much love surges that we start speaking even with those that we were not speaking with earlier. Gradually everything becomes so clear that you will be surprized. Now you give bandhan to yourself for this thing... let's say there is a gentleman, your brother, he's upset with you for no reason. Write his name on your palm and give bandhan like this, seven times, you can take Mataji's name if you want, and then do like this and leave it. You will see the whole thing will change. He will be alright in a few days. Because this bandhan is of love, this is the use of power of love. This power of love, it tells you, it has taken you into the collective consciousness, and which has awakened our collective consciousness. And so you can get answers to all collective questions here. But there is only one hindrance everywhere, you must not forget that, and so you should also not feel frightened ever, that human freedom will never be taken away. If someone wants to be a rakshas, you can't make him God, unless he asks -- please bring me on the path. No one's freedom will be taken away in Sahaja Yoga. This is the only hindrance. And if every person solves this hindrance, then it will work out. For that give bandhans to this person in advance to bring him on our path, once the fronts are aggregated, they're not integrated yet, but upon aggregation of fronts, the Kundalini may rise. But the Sahasrara will not break till the other person asks that, "Yes I want to be paar*". Yes, the Kundalini may be risen, but Kundalini rises in many, but even risiing of Kundalini may make get the (pure) desire. Gradually, his attention goes to God, his desire goes there. So you may not say anything to him verbally, but keep rising his Kundalini. By doing this also, the Kundalini rises. Write the name, do like this, the Kundalini will rise, may not become paar*, they don't become paar*. For that, permission is needed. it should happen in the knowledge of that person. Because, if you have paid attention to this, it is the first time that this higher step of evolution has happened in your awareness. Not before this. When you became a tortoise from a fish, you didn't know, from tortoise onwards as you became a monkey, you didn't know, and from monkey when you became human, you didn't know. But today, from human when you are becoming superhuman, you know. Now, what should you not do, what to do, I have told quite a bit about this. For diseases and such, for that we have a few doctors here and they are realized souls, you can speak with them... But I have mostly observed that after Sahaja Yoga, the first thing people do is to make a list of all sick relatives, "when Mother comes, we will take so many sick people to her". Very common. Sitting down they think all the time that when Mother comes, then I will get my uncle's nephew who is there in England, that xyz had that problem, I will call him. And this is the worst thing. This happens with everyone, and it's a very harmful thing - for me and for you also. For one, till you yourself become powerful, do not go to people who are sick, sad, worried, because if you go to them, then you will catch from them, their disease will stick with you. Especially run away from mentally affected people; initially when your own sapling has just been planted, it has to be taken care of. In the morning before going out, take bandhan. And in the night also sleep after taking bandhan and washing feet. Maintain yourself in this way at least till I come back. It does not take much time - in just 15 minutes the whole thing can be done in the night. And in the beginning, please don't gather all made and sick people. I have not come to cure diseases. I have come to give Realization to all. First you become Realized, then the diseases will run away by themselves. And those who are not seeking God, what do I have to do by healing them, make pickles? You tell me, think from my perspective, that the lamps that are not going to get enlightened, rather than correcting them it's better to put them in junk so they get remade then correct, won't someone think like that? Yes, if someone is seeking God, then even if he is ninety years old or a hundred years old, even if he is in a bad state, for such a person, I will work day and night. That is very different. Gather those who are seeking God. Who is seeking God, gather those. Now next time I should not see that every person has brought twenty-five sick people, out of them, I tell you, not one person will stay. Now you see, how many sick people were coming initially, they all got alright, they even brought reports to show that, but who is coming now, will they come? I have healed thousands, my disciples have healed thousands, but nobody cares. First we want Realized people, a lot of people should become Realized. Give them, there must be intact people in the world. And even if these become corrected physically, what good are they for, because that way there are many strong people (wrestlers) - what is to God? If they don't get corrected, a new pot will be made from them. But the pots that are already made and ready to receive water, they will be filled with water. So gather such people who are seeking God, who are wholeheartedly towards God. If they are already stuck with a guru, do not bring them to me and stick here, otherwise, they fight with me. If they think some guru has given them the absolute, then please spare me, tell them to go to the same guru, that your guru is a very nice man, you stick with him, pardon us, please do not torment Mother. Otherwise, such people trouble me a lot. So I have this much request to you, that those who are sticking with some guru, let them be stuck, when the guru will give them a few blows and they will understand, then they will come. We do not have to go to any gurus. Recently I went to Pune, and [many?] said, "Mother should we go there and work"? I said there is no need, let them be there. They become very difficult. And the more number of gurus they have been to, the more problems they have. Those who come by themselves, let them come. Yes, but if you know such a man -- it is not necessary that he may be taking God's name in big ways, but he is a good man, about whom people say he is a very good man, he is innocent, whom everyone cheats, he is okay. The one who cheats everyone - let him cheat, he will be cheated such that he will understand, his cheating will eat him. So, a good man, who is innocent, simple, who is not very boastful, who does not spoil other people's minds with his own intellectual brilliance, find such simple straightforward people. Everyone must know such people, who are good people, who have goodwill in them, who do good to the world, always wishes well for others, and who does not hanker or lust after anything -- gather such simple people and bring them. And do not gather patients (sick people). I am fed up of sick people now. Now if someone's some disease does not get corrected, they get after my life, "my this thing did not go away" -- if it did not, what can I do? The point is, what will I gain from removing it? And they will be after me. And they will be the first to come and sit. The most caught up come very first and sit down. Now the problem is, how do I heal them -- and they will be after my life, "no, please heal, you have to" -- how to do, you also need to have some accumulated wealth (punyas), you also need to have a bank account, isn't it? Now if you do not have a bank account (punyas), what can I do? You need to have at least a little bit. The bank may even give overdraft, but how much (Shri Mataji laughed), that also has an end, isn't it? So don't gather such people. Those who are good people, who do not go into extremes, remain in the center, who live in dharma, who are ordinary, find such people. Very big people become difficult. And then those who work as servants and maids at homes. Some servants are okay... we had a driver at Mumbai, we used to call him Raja Sahab (Honorable King), some servants are also like king (by temperament) but not all. Because they are your servants, don't bring and put them at my feet, "because these are our servants, so we brought them" -- don't do this. Just now one lady had come, she ate up (figuratively) my whole foot, burned my foot, and then if you say something, they get offended. Have interest always in Sahaja Yogis, how are Sahaja Yogis, that they are not in any trouble, they are not bothered about anything. But it (the interest) does not stay in that. Do not have interest in useless people, but in those who are Sahaja Yogis. And first gather those who are seeking God, who are simple people. When these people will be all right, the difficult ones can be corrected later. Otherwise, such people come - who seem to have four horns, and I can't understand how to save myself from them. Sometimes they run here, sometimes there, they just don't listen. So bring ordinary, simple people. Now, if someone is your father or your mother - that is not the criteria. The criteria is, that who is seeking God - that is my brother, sister, mother. Christ once said, "Who are my brothers, and who are my sisters?" - it is a very big sentence. "Who are my brothers and who are my sisters?" -- The Sahaja Yogis are his brothers and Sahaja Yoginis are his sisters. He is their eldest brother. Ganesha is your eldest brother. And those who are related to you by these "laukik" (लौकिक - worldly) relationships, and into "laukik" (worldly) relationships, these are worldly only, there is no need to go crazy after them. Gradually, you will be surprised, they will come into it. By observing your behavior, your thoughts, your ways & methods, gradually they will all come. But there is no need to waste energy after it. They will all come gradually. "My"-ness has to be reduced - this is too much in our Indians, and completely missing abroad. "My son", "my daughter", "my this-", reduce this a bit. But because this Sahaja Yoga is going to grow in family (environment), it is very essential that family atmosphere must be good, and gradually it must be expanded in your family as well. There is no need to hurt any family members in any way, gradually everything will be alright. It depends on your handling, and how powerful are you at home, it depends on that. This way, bring everyone in love and by proving your love, bring them in Sahaja Yoga. And Sahaja Yoga is self-proven, there is no need to prove it. And because of that (Sahaja Yoga), you also shine, and that is your proof too. Now you are all proven, and I bow to you. Tomorrow I will go and will come back here on the twenty-eighth. I hope you all know the venue and everything and will be present there. And this book - you all buy one copy each, because how much can I say in one lecture, I do not know how much I might have said in that book also, but it has some deliberation about some subtle things. So you see it, understand it, from that you will know more about me, because when I speak, I keep myself in the back because this is a maya form, and is a bit difficult to understand, so from that book also you can understand me. So it will be good if you buy that book. And if there are a few questions, you can ask, otherwise meditate. [ Later, Shri Mataji talked about balancing vibrations, how to raise the left and bring down the right, and vice-versa. And She talked about the bandhan ][*Paar: One who has got Realization and has crossed the Sahasrara and has got the knowledge of vibrations.]

[Hindi to English translation] Public program, Sahasrara (Hindi). Delhi (India). 18 March 1979. It should be understood what Sahasrara is. No scripture has vividly described anything about Sahasrara, not because people would not have known about it, but because, till then the Sahasrara had not been fully opened, so no one wrote anything about it. Sahasrara means - like this (flower) bud, if we consider our brain to be a lotus flower, then inside it, layer by layer, like these petals, each different level has been made, and these layers are formed from grey matter and white matter. In the center, if you open and see, inside that you will see the core (gabha – गाभा) and thousands of small, small pollen, (paraga – पराग) inside that.Similarly, our brain is made up of fat, and it has layers. If you take a cross-section of the brain and study it, you will be surprised that inside, you will see each layer, they look exactly like the petals of a lotus flower. Because doctors had no relation with poetry, they don’t think of such a comparison. Doctors are mostly enemies of poetry, so they can’t see this thing. But God is integrated – he is poetic also and is also creative, so he has made the brain like a beautiful lotus flower too. And it has one thousand petals or layers, “Sahasrara”. And inside each petal or layer, in the center, is the thread (sutra – सूत्र) of energy. And below them, in the center, is the core which has pollen. When the thousand petals close, there is an empty space in the middle. [Apart: Don’t move your attention so much, sit quietly now. So, what if someone’s handkerchief fell down? While I am speaking, I am also opening your thousand petals, and I’m also speaking, I’m doing all of this effort by my willpower, so at this time, you should not do something just casually. You should not move your eyes suddenly, just like that. Keep your eyes steady — this is something you must do in Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise, if your attention goes to such things, close your eyes.] Now, in the core, down below, there is a, sort of a circular bed, and above that, there is empty space – which doctors call as “limbic area”. The pollen here are the thousand chakras that are in our body. I have told you only about seven chakras – just by knowing seven chakras one gets self-realized, if you include the sun and moon chakras, then anyways these are nine chakras. But there are one thousand chakras in your body, they are not yet awakened – but there is no need to be afraid, they will be awakened gradually. So, the one thousand chakras are placed on that bed which is in the core, and above that is the limbic area. Out of them, are the seven main chakras that you already know of. There are seven main chakras and their seats are here (in the core), similarly, the seats of all the thousand chakras are also there. In all, there are one thousand chakras, out of which we regard seven to be the main chakras; then there are sub plexuses, but all this will be too much detail.Now see how these seven chakras are formed inside us. (In the head) first, this is Agnya, this you know, now behind it, is the Mooladhara, third, back here is the Swadishthana, above that, is the Nabhi chakra, above that is the heart chakra, here is Krishna’s chakra. If you are properly self-realized, then by placing finger here, you can control that chakra, these are the seats. This is Shri Krishna’s chakra. Sometimes, I ask you to lift your hair because on the sides there are these 2 chakras that I have told you about that take care of ego and super-ego, these are the places of Buddha and Mahavira, so these are 2 more chakras, so seven plus two, nine chakras. This is the heart chakra, the place of the heart chakra. If a man’s heart is weak, his Realization also remains a bit weak, and then here he gets nourished. So, the core or the bed of Sahasrara contains seats for all the one thousand chakras, and these one thousand chakras guide the one thousand layers. And the big-big chakras that are outside, at least they get awakened after Realization. Now, how does the Sahasrara look before Realization? Similar to how a flower bud looks — all the layers are covered, and inside there is no light; not enlightened. But when your Kundalini rises from bottom to top, then these seats (of chakras) get enlightened. At a minimum, these seven seats (get enlightened), because the Kundalini does pass through these seven chakras. So, when these seven seats get awakened, and because of that the pollen in the core also get some light, then Sahasrara looks like thousand candles that have wicks inside, but the candles are not lighted. Like if there are candles placed through layers but not lighted, then nothing will be visible. It looks as though a flame is lighted from here, then you can see only these flames, but these flames are very gentle. In the bible, it is said, “I will appear before you like tongues of flames” — similarly, alive and moving flames like that, moving very beautifully, in many colours especially in seven main colours. Then Sahasrara opens like this, and then Kundalini passes through the middle of them and goes up.In a person who has less hair, if you see, a hole forms here, in the Nabhi, because the Kundalini rises from the Nabhi, then a hole is formed here, then here, then comes in the fontanelle bone area (talu) and then a depression forms in the fontanelle bone area. So those who are realized souls, have a depression in the fontanelle bone area similar to that in infants – that should be maintained. I will tell you later how to make it. So, this is how Sahasrara is awakened. Now there is a lot to understand next. In a human being, the heart goes on one side, the brain goes on the other, liver goes in a third side; and the human being does not have control over these three things, they each go their own way. Now the human heart would desire eating this thing, then brain will say don't eat this it will cause trouble, and after eating the liver will say what a useless thing was eaten and will throw it away. On emotions if we like something and we accept it, that it is looking very good... in western countries, it is the only criteria, this is the only way or proof of knowing, that "I like it"; that " You like it?" - then finished, then no question after that. "But, I like it" - then finished. "I" - there is a big "I" there. And when that "I" started, then it is the order given by the brain, this "I like it" is the order given by the ego, not by the heart. So it is not understandable if what we want from the heart is right, or that what we want from the brain is right, that we… what gives us trouble in the stomach, what causes that? A human being does not understand these three things; that how to know if something is really okay for us or bad? Like it was said earlier, "Satyam vadet, Priyam vadet" (speak the truth, speak what is pleasing). So people said, this is very difficult. If you speak the truth, it is not going to be pleasing, and if you say what is pleasing, it will not be the truth. Because truth will be known through rationality, what is pleasing will be known by heart... and liver will go according to its own accord, you don't know when will it mess up. So Krishna said the middle thing, he said, "Satyam vadet, Hitam vadet, Priyam vadet" (speak the truth, speak benevolence, speak what is pleasing). That if you say something beneficial and auspicious, which gives benevolence, then even if it is unpleasant for some time, it will become pleasing later. And the question about truth is, what will be the truth? Suppose, a man is coming to murder someone. And the one who he wants to murder came and hid behind you. And he asks you about the man whom he wants to murder. Now the truth is that you know because he is hiding behind, will it be the truth to tell him? And if this is the truth, then you will get him killed, you will be the reason for him getting killed. Then the dilemma is, what is the truth? And people use rationality in truth: that this is unauthorized, who is he to ask us, who are we to tell him... The language, definition of truth is that one must also be a bearer of truth. Otherwise, Jesus Christ has said, "Why are you casting pearls before swines?" A man like Jesus Christ said that, who was very forgiving, was the incarnation of forgiveness. He said what is the use of speaking our words, auspicious words in front of these wicked people? The truth is to be told with a great balance. This is the advantage of rationality, but if there is no wisdom in rationality, then that subtlety is finished. The one who has wisdom, says the truth very loudly, but he keeps on weighing and tells the truth in a way that it gets absorbed. Otherwise, it is useless, what is the use of throwing such truth? So now the question is, how to match (integrate) these three? That is, how do we satisfy our Mental being, Emotional being, Physical being, and finally, our Spiritual Being? Because there is no integration within us. Integration meaning, the front of every - for example if you take ten needles, and they have ten holes, then a thread that passes through all of them integrates them. So integration is not in us. Within our being, integration is not there. Our one hand wants one thing, the other hand wants another, the eye wants one thing, the intellect wants another, the ego wants a third thing, the super-ego fourth thing. So we - for example, if there is a point in space which is being pulled by a lot of forces, it will not go anywhere, it cannot have any progress, and it will get diffused. When your Realization has not happened, integration has not happened, what should be the arrangement? For this, God has made a very good arrangement within us. So he pulled it from all four sides from below and put a bridge in the middle like this pandal. By pulling a point from many sides, if you put a bridge in the middle, then it becomes like a tent or a pandal, similarly a human being becomes when he stands on the support of dharma. Until you become paar* (पार - gone across), you will be tied like this tent – you neither wobble too much on this side nor on that side, remaining stable in the middle. And because you have not gone into extremes, it becomes very easy at the time of awakening of the Kundalini, the Kundalini just pierces and goes up, and then very beautifully the whole sky opens up. Then you become completely integrated, your thread runs inside the fronts (agra - अग्र) of all the chakras I have told you about. And when this thread runs from within - then the attention which is in your stomach - this thread runs with that attention on its head. If you have to insert a cloth through a hole, you put a needle or something inside that cloth and you move it from inside. In the same way, your attention, by sitting on the Kundalini, itself comes up, and then becomes one with the all-pervading power. When Kundalini comes in Sahasrara, it integrates all seven chakras. So the guru mantra of Sahasrara is – integration, unification. Integration. The task of the incarnation of Sahasrara is to integrate all religions, integrate all truths, and integrate all hearts. First, you have been integrated within yourself, after that, everyone's hearts have been integrated, everyone's intellects have been integrated, and everyone's nabhis have been integrated. For this, imagine if you take such needles which are placed in this way, and for you to integrate them, you will have to bring these needles exactly in the middle, so their holes all come together (align). If they are off here or there, then when the thread goes from inside, Kundalini will not be able to ascend. So there are some practical things that you would want to understand, like these are the fronts (agra - अग्र) I showed to you, these. Now if they are properly aligned one above the other, then Kundalini will go straight through them. But if they have been stretched, then there will be vacant space here. Although the Kundalini may slide up a bit, but if there is weakness in chakra, she will fall down again. The work of Sahasrara is that when those who have authority of Sahasrara come in the world, then lift up the Kundalini, bring into Sahasrara, and pierce from here - this is the work of Sahasrar. This is one bandh (बंध), especially the bandh... as I said that all the bandh's of Raja Yoga happen in the rising of the Kundalini. They do not to be done, they do not to be done - understand this a hundred times - Raja Yoga cannot be done, it happens inside yourself. Even hatha Yoga is not done - that also happens inside. Even when a guru does it, (s)he makes it happen. And in the end the Mahayoga happens at the Sahasrara, where it is the time for your union. So, when all the force stops here in the Sahasrar, first "Entry into the Kingdom of God" takes place. This is the Kingdom of God, this is it. When you make an entry into it, first thoughtless awareness comes because you cross the Agnya, you become thoughtless, so now your attention does not expand towards thoughts, this is arranged first. Gradually, however much attention the Kundalini can suck-in, she sucks in above. When Kundalini has pulled up your attention however much could be, absorbed it, however much attention came above, then first of all she calms your "moordha" (मूर्धा) which is the lower part of the brain. And from that "moordha", the Kundalini rains (or showers) a little in our these 2 Nadis (channels) which are called Ida (left) and Pingala (right). It does not happen in everyone, happens in many, the reason is that, in those whose Ida or Pingala Nadi is not alright or is too active, meaning who had too much sympathetic activity, such attentions are found to be stretched. So, after she comes at the "moordha", which is the lower plate of the brain, this is before crossing the Agnya, the Kundalini spreads herself (छा जाती है) here. So the person feels that the eyes are getting bit heavy, feels some relaxation, feels slightly sleepy. In the beginning, if someone is too burdened, then there will be slightly more sleepiness. Then she spreads here, after which, these 2 Nadis (Ida and Pingala) start becoming lighter, meaning after coming on these Nadis, their fronts (agra - अग्र) start improving gradually. Then the part of Kundalini which descends down, it again comes in the Nabhi and then rises again -- now these are all bandh's (बंध), I will not tell you all those long-winded things -- however, she rises up again. After ascending, She crosses the Agnya chakra again - actually, she first just touches the Agnya chakra slightly. When she crosses the Agnya chakra, then dilatation of the pupils takes place so I ask you to close your eyes. Now doctors do not know whether dilatation of the pupil is exactly sympathetic or parasympathetic activity, they say that it is sympathetic/parasympathetic, they don't know, they are still fighting about it, because they are not able to settle all these things right now. However, now we have nothing to say to them, but dilation of the pupils takes place. The eyes become completely black. Now, these foreigners who have blue/green eyes, their eyes also look black, so they say that mother our eyes have become black? I said you are my child, so you will have eyes like mine. Because the pupils dilate completely. Sometimes it dilates so much in some, that at that time it seems for a moment, that everything has become dark, just for a moment but most can't see. Happens to a few, there is nothing to worry about, it happens just for a moment. A lady, we had a lady doctor, I was giving her Realization, it could not be finished, but she said she had to leave. While going in a car, she felt as if it was getting dark, so he stopped the car on one side. She felt like this for a while and after that, she felt like she had blossomed. She went and called from there, that I don't know what happened to me, I just opened up, so it happened to me on the way, mother, so why is that? So I said you had dilatation of the pupils. And for this, I ask you to close your eyes. Because the poor Kundalini stops, she thinks so much, she knows everything, that the eyes are open, so just wait and then open, otherwise, if it will go into the eyes suddenly, this person should not become afraid. Very soft, very delicately, slowly, like "gajgaamini" (गजगामिनी, one who moves in a graceful way like the walk of an elephant), slowly-slowly, watching your eyes carefully, and then - But when does the Sahasrara close even after the Kundalini has come in it? I have told you, I do not know whether I have not told you or not, that the Kundalini is made of many strands (बल), just like a rope that is formed from many strands of threads. So in the beginning, only one or two strands pierce absolutely in the very innermost of that which is called Bramhanadi which is right in the middle of the Sushumna Nadi – now I have not told all these lengthy, fine details – and they (strands of Kundalini) come out from inside of it (Bramhanadi). There is no alternative to this. It is a very subtle. Only one or two strands of the Kundalini rise from inside of it (Bramhanadi). And after coming up, they push the attention up here, they keep the attention pushed up here. So because of this event, your attention is removed from the outside, and here they (strands of Kundalini) nourish and awaken your Sahasrar, and due to its awakening, chakras also start getting awakened gradually. Because there are seats here, as the seat of our India is in Delhi. If you have to get some work done, you have to come to Delhi, even if you want to get work done in Madras. Similarly, because the seats here, you have to come here. So when they (strands of Kundalini) come here, then orders are issued from here that - yes, wake up; then your chakras get awakened, and the deities within them get awakened. In some it happens very fast, in some, it happens late, in some, it happens very late, in some, it takes even one month; happens sometimes, but I am not at fault for this. After this, your Sahasrara opens, but that too opens only when you have accumulated enough attention inside. That's why I say, don't move your eyes here and there, because, due to the eyes your attention gets distracted here and there. If you keep looking at me, then whatever is growing inside me, the voice is coming - Chaitnaya (vibrations) is coming, isn't it? Chaitanya (vibrations) also goes through your eyes, and by that your Ganeshji is pacified, that's why I ask you to keep your eyes open. But later, even when I ask you to close your eyes, then I ask you to stabilize the attention, because as soon as the attention becomes stable here, then it gets established here properly, it gets fixed because of its pressure... which means that this thing is not mechanical. Kundalini understands all this, she organizes, awakens; and she loves you. She is the power of love. Like your mother has the power of love, a thousand-times more, million times more than that is this power of love within you. So she does all this with great understanding and gives you rebirth. But Sahastrar's hand is the biggest in this, that the integrated awakening of the seven chakras takes place in it.In Sahasrara integrated awakening happens. Suppose seven men are working in parallel, doing seven types of work, nothing will get formed from that. If you want to build a house, you need cement, wood, stone, and whatever else is needed. Now you put seven things separately, it doesn't make any sense. To harmonize those seven things, to coordinate them, to organize them, and finally when completely such state comes, when so much attention reaches there, at that time opening the Sahasrara, this is Sahasrar's work. The deity of Sahastrar is "Nishkalanka" (unblemished), his name is Nishkalanka, people also call him Kalki. Kalki incarnation will also be coming. Kalki is an incarnation of Mahavishnu - meaning it is on the Vishnu principle, Vishnu principle means evolutionary. And evolution has two meanings – in evolution, always there is creation and then destruction. Like we had very big-big animals earlier, you must have heard names like mammoth, etc., among them was elephant also. So elephant still exists, evolution happened, and elephant was saved because it was found to be al lright, not too big, and not bad. It was saved. You must have read about "Gajendra moksha" (गजेंद्र मोक्ष, salvation of elephant king), elephant was saved by Vishnu. I don't know how many people read or not. That place is very beautiful, on the bank of the Gandak river. If you ever get a chance, go see it. There is also a park, and a very beautiful place, where Sitaji went and lived near Sage Valmiki. It is a very beautiful place, worth seeing. Valmiki Nagar is a place in Bihar where "Gajendra moksha" (saving of elephant) happened. "Gajendra moksha" is a reminder that Vishnu saved only elephant among these big animals, and all the other animals had to be destroyed because they had grown too large. So always you see that, even in a tree, when a tree forms a flower, when the flower becomes a fruit, something falls off from it and something becomes the fruit. Some things definitely fall off, and some things become the fruit. That is how it is in Sahaja Yoga also. Now it is a matter of fruition. Now fruits have taken place, now whatever is waste and useless, or harmful, all that will have to be thrown out, brushed off. Like in the case of wheat, we keep the thing as it is, till its hair mature in the sun, then gets completely separated, then you know how we separate it - when the wind blows [unclear word] catches in it, and the wheat separates from it and the chaff falls apart. You see this every day. So that event will happen when Kalki will incarnate. At that time he will not give you realization, will not explain anything to you, he will not do any work like me. He will not have the time. He will just bring eleven rudras – which I had said, eleven Rudras are to be incarnated, Rudra means the destructive power of Shiva, so he has eleven destructive powers, he will come into the world upon awakening them – and he will destroy whatever useless things are there, will put them in their place. And all the destructive forces that exist will be completely destroyed, and in this way, "Raam Rajya" (Shri Rama's rule) will be established in the world, which we call "Kingdom of God", "Thy Kingdom Come". All people will be Realized Souls, they will be endowed with collective consciousness, and from that they will be working, using that they will work. So, now its last stage is in front of you at this time. It is not only about fixing our social or political, or the pace of our time, but it is the last time, now the time has come for this creation to achieve that for which the whole world was created. Just as a pot is made, whatever is useless to it is thrown out. In the same way, whatever is useless, whatever is harmful, whatever is destructive, whatever is in opposition to God, whatever is painful everything will be destroyed. That's why, I am a mother, and the mother always thinks for her child that he should get benevolence and auspiciousness - and if she is the giver of that, then she wants that whatever is my "punya", whatever I have, my children take all of it, take everything, but get all their own. Mother's power grows in the children only. She doesn't care about her own power. She is proud of her children's power, and she is contained in the power of her children, and she has no other existence. If you people are not there, then I am not there, if you people are there then I exist, such is the thing. Otherwise, I am absolutely a bubble, I have no meaning, I have just come, and will disappear just like that, there is no meaning to this human body. You are its meaning. Like a matchstick, it has meaning by how many lamps it has lit, otherwise, it has no meaning. In the same way, is Sahaja Yoga work. By looking at its depth, its importance, its profoundness, and its divine power, you should understand that what you have got it is invaluable. When people get something readily from the Mother, they don't think much of it. This happening (realization) takes place very strongly, especially in my presence. There are people sitting here right now, who were saying that "on the first day my Kundalini stood up so strongly, the whole night I was in bliss, and this happened, and, then now it came down"... So this also happens. So you will say, Mother what have you done? Using my willpower, I had you sit on my Kundalini and gave you birth from my heart, and from your Sahasrar in fact, I gave you complete birth. Just as a mother nourishes a child in her lap, and then gives birth to it, in the same way you have been given birth from Sahasrara. And it is such a universal phenomenon, that it happens even on the photograph. It is surprising that there are so many vibrations in my photos too, it is a matter of surprise. And I owe it a lot to science, even as I speak through this (microphone), my vibrations are getting carried. Many times when your chakras catch, then I put this (microphone) on the Agnya (Shri Mataji's), then your Agnya gets cleared. See, science was created so it would be useful to Sahaja Yoga. If you put me in the TV, on the TV, and if people put their hands towards me, then I don't know how many people will get realization. But I don't know when will such days come when TV people say, Mother, please sit, and we will take vibrations from you. It is a very difficult task, they never even call me, and people tried, they say, many such cunning people keep coming. One of my disciples, poor thing she had just come to England, then the TV people got after her, she is a painter or something. So she said that such a great power is sitting here, why are you after me, get her to do something (like a program). So then they inquired who and what, and then said, so many have come here and gone. And they had programs with all the wicked, but have a program with me. There is a big flaw with truth that until a lot of people do not come in positivity, the light of truth does not come in. Because if you are a stone and even if sunshine falls on you, there will be no reflection. Yes, if you have a mirror, then its light will come out. So the first task I said, let's start making mirrors first of all. Now in your city of Delhi many people have become realized, many. It's a great thing. In city, in such short time, I was able to give realization to so many people in Mumbai also, And even after so many people got realized, after I am gone, you see what happens. Now all of you make a resolution within yourself too. My resolve has been fulfilled. Today you also have to resolve that whatever happens, we will keep our Kundalini alright, whatever we have to leave, we have to leave the gurus, we have to leave anything that mother asked to leave, we will keep our Kundalini awakened, and we will keep ourselves alright. For this, the biggest thing that has to be remembered is that this is the work of Viraat. Now the Sahasrar of the Viraat has opened, which means this is now a collective work. This is not individual work, it is collective work. So at home, you can do a bit of clearing, but unless you go to the centers, it will not work out that deeply. We have had some amazing people. When I came, some people got realized so strongly, today itself one gentleman had come, everyone said "how good he is, how wonderful", but today his vibrations are not that great. There was another gentleman, he was very well educated, he kept arguing with me a bit, his motor moved a bit slowly, but slowly-slowly I now see he has risen very high. Very surprising. The one who took a big leap remained there itself, and the one who moved slowly has moved ahead. You must have read that story about the hare (and tortoise)? I see that the case is similar in Sahaja Yoga. So the one who has completely adopted it with determination rises very high. And the biggest thing is collectivity. You have to give it to others. If you do not give to others, it will not work out. Slowly give to others. By giving, you yourself will understand how it is given. Nobody lights a lamp to keep it under a chair, correct? These lamps should be lit and their lamp-pillars should be made, so that others who are looking for their way, may come on the right path and reach the shore. Now I have to tell a little about what should be done, what should not be done. First of all, we should first find out about ourselves, what kind of habits do we have? Straightforward, because first thing is to see yourself. First you have to look at yourself, then you can look at others, right? So first we have to see what is the defect, what is wrong with us. Then you will see that you have got strange habits, which are not needed. So like you have done in Sahaja Yoga, you have to similarly do for your habits, that you tell me on the photograph, that Mother please get me rid of this habit. Straightforward. First, use my resolve, then keep attention to yourself. I have seen such people, big drunkards... There was a gentleman in Singapore, he used to smoke too many cigarettes, that his chest was as if rotten from inside due to the cigarettes. When he came in front of me in meditation, so much of cigarette came out of him, bad smell of cigarette, and after that fragrance started coming out of him. Now he is in such a state that whenever he tried to smoke, he would get the fragrance, so his attention would move away (from smoking). So it should be remembered that you have got these habits because you are not able to face yourself, you are not able to see yourself, so the habit is formed. Suppose a man is sitting quietly at a party, he feels I am bad, I am having to see myself, so immediately he took a cigarette, that somehow remove the mind from here. If four friends came, now it is best for the four friends to talk, exchange with each other, be happy from that, but they felt that if they sit with each other, they will have to see each other, there will be an exchange, so better light cigarettes, take alcohol, just disappear from there. This is escapism, we call it running away from the battlefield. It is only because of this escapism that addictions are formed in man, all the addictions are due to escape. Because man does not feel empowered, and he does not know how to enjoy himself. So anytime you start having such desires, start laughing at yourself, that great mister, what to say, now you are remembering cigarette? And this cigarette, Mother I give it up in your name. By doing any kind of talk like this, coax your mind a bit. Now this mind you have, is a horse, and the horse climbs on you. You have to sit on this horse. After Sahaja Yoga, you can bring the mind under such control, as you could have never done. If you had tried earlier, you would have developed abnormalities. If you suppress the mind, don't know what can happen. Now tell the mind that, go on the right path, sir. Now you know how to move this horse, you have become an expert, when the horse knows that now you have learned the skill, that it should cooperate and walk straight, then the horse itself takes you there. So the horse should neither be dropped (felled) nor tortured. Tell it that sir, you know the destination, now let's go. Now you should start seeing yourself as other [press?], that whoever this Mr. X is, let's say this Nirmala, see, how she is getting these whims now. So the one who starts laughing at himself becomes great in Sahaja Yoga. He laughs at himself, that from where did this horse of ego come in me, now how can I remove it, how is this bed bug (ego) biting me, in this way he removes himself. Because now there is light inside. As soon as there is light inside, you start seeing your chakras, you can't see them with the eyes, but can be felt on the hands. Now you do not feel sad, but you will say that my Agnya chakra is bad, everyone says that. The Agnya chakra is bad even in mad people. But man does not feel bad that my Agnya chakra is bad because his Agnya starts hurting. "Mother, please cure my Agnya", or you will rub (clear) your own if it is catching. This means, your awareness now becomes such, that it does not tolerate any filth. See what a feat of Sahaja Yoga, but if you stay with it. For example, an animal going from a street does not see that there is filth, bad smell, it just walks, neither does it notice beauty. These days the flowers are in bloom so much, you go on looking, "Ahaha what flowers have bloomed". Whether flowers, grass, leaves, are all the same to animals, makes no difference. As human consciousness is of beauty, in the same way, after realization you get a complete idea of your own beauty also, whatever is ugly in the world, it automatically makes you feel bad, meaning your chakras catch, you say, “oh no, got caught up”. Your friends will change, your companions will change, your priorities will change, you get a transformative change in you. But stay with Sahaja Yoga, flow in its stream, don't get upset in it. There was an American girl, she was into business, she knew all about what is imported, what is exported, how much is earned, where every cent goes, she was quite miserly. She wrote to me that, Mother since I have become realized, I can't remember how much came in, what came in, but my business has grown significantly and I can't remember, everything is working by itself. So you become a witness, you see - this has come, that went, this came, you are viewing that, "wow, what fun is going on". You start watching everything as a witness. Now if any question comes before you, you watch as a witness. Now tell me if without a witness form, can there be a solution for anything? Suppose you are drowning in water, then you will drown, how will you survive? But when you want to get out of the water and look at the water, you can survive. In Sahaja Yoga, you have come out of the water and in the boat. But now if you want to get down into the water, then go, because freedom is the prasad of Sahaja Yoga, you are completely free. You become so free that you will get rid of all habits, you will be free from whatever had enslaved you, but if you want to get stuck there, then go, you have freedom for that also. And then you go with a great force, the higher a man has risen, he falls with that much force. So be careful. In this matter, you do not have to be afraid of anyone. Even Sahaja Yoga, you don't need to tell anyone forcefully, if you see a man is going in this way, slowly you can make him. That thing you have, you can nourish it. But be wise while talking to people. Now one thing you must always remember is that a cool breeze is coming in our hands – this is undeniable, there is no doubt about it. And it has been described by Adi Shankaracharya and others. If you have to read the Bible, then I have told you that it is in John's revelations, that cool breeze comes out of the Holy Ghost, all that is described in the Bible. And in all our books, Chaitanya Laharis (cool breeze) have been written about, it's not a new thing. Don't forget this. It is a great truth. It is a subtle thing, and you should understand how wrong it will be to lose it. You must not lose it. Now when I leave, many people will experience that the Kundalini will go to places where you have weaknesses. For example, if you have liver trouble, then the Kundalini will go down into the liver, no problem in that. The people at the center (Sahaja Yogis) are quite smart, you should ask them about what is happening and what should you do. They will tell you how to take vibrations and nourish yourself. You don't have to renounce your house, no need to renounce anything, but the need is to get into the essence of everything. You do not have to renounce any religion also. Whatever religion you belong to, stay with that religion. Although after realization you go beyond religion, you do not have any religion left. When you believe in Mohammad Sahab also, also in Nanak Sahab, and in Hazrat Ali also, in Fatimabai also, and in Sitaji also, also in Jesus Christ, and also in Ganeshji, then how can you sit in these small compartments of religions? Then you become "dharmateet" (beyond religions/dharmas), and beyond religions, you also become "gunateet" (beyond gunas or properties), gunas meaning three -- Tamo guna (Left side), Rajo guna (Right), and Satwa guna. Due to Tamo guna, a person keeps thinking about past things, and sleeps too much. Due to Rajo guna, you become overactive, overactivity. The problems of Rajo guna are more in the west, but now they have started here also. The problem with Satwa guna is that one becomes too interested in dharma and becomes bit scared of Tamo guna and Rajo guna. But because of balancing, Satwa guna is okay. But you go beyond these three, you don't worry about anything. Now it is not like, "if after getting up in the morning, I did not do namaskar to mother at 9, now I'm gone" -- it is never like this in Sahaja Yoga. Know this. I am saying this, beyond dharma, "dharmateet", "gunateet". Not necessary... it's a matter of the Mother. But the mind has to be kept clean. If something (ritual) could not be done, what's the big deal? It is not necessary that the cow was not touched... such is not mother's work. Believe from the heart. When you believe from the heart... Then Shabri's ber (berries), Ram ate. Which dharma did he follow? Which berries were washed, wiped, or cleaned? But given with love, he ate them. So in love, these bondages are not there. But automatically beautiful maryadas (boundaries) get created in a human being. It is fun to roam in it because it is from that maryada (boundary) that its beautiful shape and form gets formed automatically. Just keep the attention there. Now after Sahaja Yoga many people say that Mother had said that everything happens automatically, so there is no need to do anything. (Shri Mataji laughed). I want to touch upon both the points because if I push from this extreme, then they go to the other extreme, and if I push from there, they come to this extreme -- you still haven't become "dharmatit" (beyond dharmas). You first have to tie your dharmas. First, tie your dharmas, then you will transcend them (become dharmatit)... After you get self-realized, you have to go through three stages. As it is, whatever the situation is, whatever the state is, has its own rights and its own blessings. For instance, suppose I become the head of some place, then it has its authority, then if I become the "sarpanch" (head of village), then from the head, the authority becomes that of the "sarpanch", then suppose I become a minister, then that has its authority, then if I become Prime Minister, then it has its own authority, similarly, according to our state, we receive rights from the kingdom of God.So the first right you absolutely have got is, you have got dharma which means you can become thoughtless. Getting thoughtless awareness. Not become paar* yet, just thoughtless awareness, meaning the thoughtless awareness has come after the awakening of the Kundalini -- just based on this little thing, you can cure anyone's health problems. Any physical disease you can cure, meaning you can give wellbeing, meaning you can give bodily comfort. Just this much. But there are many who say they cure others by touching or something, they are not paar*. But the [sounds like "fake"] healers are of two types, ones who work with bhoots (dead souls) - leave them, they heal with bhoots; the other, whose Kundalini has crossed the Agnya, they also cure by touching or something, some of them are paar* and they cure. There was a gentleman in London who was paar* and he used to heal others. Later when he came to me, he found out everything, but he was paar*. So there may be people who are paar*, some people whose Kundalini has crossed the Agnya. Keep one hand towards the photo and the other on this, and after doing namaskar to the photo, you can cure their diseases. Think, disease cure! Now when the Kundalini has crossed over and if your Kundalini has pierced, you can awaken Kundalini. All of you who have become paar* can awaken the Kundalini of others, and after some time you can also make them paar*. See, just in thoughtlessness you got so much and as soon and just as you become paar*, you got this blessing. Even if your chakras are catching, you can still awaken other's Kundalini completely cleanly (Nirmal), she's not going to touch, even if your chakras are caught, the other's chakras won't be affected, see the wonder of Sahaja Yoga. All the Sahaja Yogis who are here will appreciate this fact that even if their chakras are catching and they give realization, that realization is completely clean (Nirmal). It is surprising but true. What more do you want. Kundalini awakened from your hand, with your hand the Kundalini rose. On my feet, you must have seen that you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini very well. But even when, you raise the Kundalini, you will be able to see, you will come to know you felt coolness till here, here and here. If you can learn the chakras, as to how to tie them, how to raise them above, if you learn its art, the "vidya". It is the "Vidya" (true knowledge). "Vidya" means rising the Kundalini, making paar*, and being authorized for it. After you become authorized, you raise the Kundalini of anyone sitting down wherever you are. Its second right is that you have come into the collective consciousness. Now its rights what should I describe to you, how many infinite rights you have obtained. That if you want to know about someone, all forward-looking instruments and all get switched on. We have an English gentleman. His father was very sick. He said, "Mother it's been many days since I received their letter, what should I do". I told him, what's in it, you do like this and check. When checked, he felt a catch at this place. Now, this (probably pointing on the hand) is father's place, this is mother's place. Father's this chakra is catching means he has some serious thing like bronchitis or something. So he telephoned, his mother came on the line, and when he asked about his father, she said he has serious bronchitis. So he started moving his hands like this and this - see this is also a power you have - he started clearing like this and he felt better, and there the father also got alright. You won't believe, this power has come in you. What do you understand about yourself? You have become paar* (realized), have become saints, are people endowed with great experience. But you do not know because in Sahaja Yoga you get the biggest thing, humility.These people are not even realized, they do not know anything, absolutely useless people, they are sitting there making their own big-big monasteries; strange, monkey-like people. And you people, despite being paar*, despite having your realization, you say nothing, you do nothing, I don't understand who had asked people to be so humble! They are shy even in saying that "I am a Realized Soul". There are many such people who don't even want to tell that they are realized. You are! Absolutely. You have got it based on your pre-earned wealth (your punyas or good deeds). This was meant to happen to you, so it has happened. You do not get any ego in it. What you are, you should say, "Yes, we have got our realization, Mataji has given us, we went there and it happened". (Laughingly) Defame my name only if you have to do it, If you feel so shy then say "yes, Mother did it", I don't mind. But you are realized, surely you are realized. And it's a very big thing. It is not any initiation-finitiation; you are realized souls! You try using this (power), thousands of things happen in it. You grow in it, then you will find out how many deep things work out in this. In the collective consciousness, you give realization to a man, you will come to know which of his chakras are catching. You just rotate your hand properly on him -- there is a difference in doing it from the front vs the back, you go to the centers and learn the subtleties -- and then it will be alright. It's not a lie at all. After Sahaja Yoga, you will not get any physical trouble at all, even if you have any, just learn how to correct it. You can correct yourself, and also others. Believe it, it is such a thing that your entire store has been opened, but if you do not use it, what can I do? In a few days, it will be locked again. if you use it, see how awakened your own power is. Now the gurus who show you all kinds of miracles of the world have not given you any power, so such a guru should not be accepted as guru. One who gives you your power is the guru. The one who connects you with the divine is considered to be a guru. So if one is realized, but has not given you realization, why should you accept that as guru? So, there is no need to bow your head in front of anyone. Never needed. Let thousands bow down, but you do not, you are paar*, you are higher than them. Now this vibratory awareness has come in you, you have got vibrations in you. You can ask them any question you want to ask. You know that many people became paar* just by asking questions. This is vibratory awareness, your computer has started, now you have to know everything from this. Like man knows everything from his humanity, similarly after realization, now know through this. "Mother, what to do in this" -- check vibrations. Initially, there may be some dilemma, some confusion, you may feel. this is not correct. After using it, you will be surprised by how exact it is. We keep giving bandhans from morning till evening that they get good sense, this thing gets corrected, this, that. One day, while giving vibrations to Mr. Nixon, it felt now he's going to get his 'welfare' (Shri Mataji laughed). All the boys told me that Mother his vibrations are going all bad. This was many days back. Much before his 'welfare' (impeachment), that everyone came to know. You can also correct people at home using vibrations. But first is to improve yourself. If due to a guru there are quarrels and discord at a home, and if they follow a guru at that home, and if the discord and strife is increasing, I don't understand what use is the guru? Gradually so much love surges that we start speaking even with those that we were not speaking with earlier. Gradually everything becomes so clear that you will be surprized. Now you give bandhan to yourself for this thing... let's say there is a gentleman, your brother, he's upset with you for no reason. Write his name on your palm and give bandhan like this, seven times, you can take Mataji's name if you want, and then do like this and leave it. You will see the whole thing will change. He will be alright in a few days. Because this bandhan is of love, this is the use of power of love. This power of love, it tells you, it has taken you into the collective consciousness, and which has awakened our collective consciousness. And so you can get answers to all collective questions here. But there is only one hindrance everywhere, you must not forget that, and so you should also not feel frightened ever, that human freedom will never be taken away. If someone wants to be a rakshas, you can't make him God, unless he asks -- please bring me on the path. No one's freedom will be taken away in Sahaja Yoga. This is the only hindrance. And if every person solves this hindrance, then it will work out. For that give bandhans to this person in advance to bring him on our path, once the fronts are aggregated, they're not integrated yet, but upon aggregation of fronts, the Kundalini may rise. But the Sahasrara will not break till the other person asks that, "Yes I want to be paar*". Yes, the Kundalini may be risen, but Kundalini rises in many, but even risiing of Kundalini may make get the (pure) desire. Gradually, his attention goes to God, his desire goes there. So you may not say anything to him verbally, but keep rising his Kundalini. By doing this also, the Kundalini rises. Write the name, do like this, the Kundalini will rise, may not become paar*, they don't become paar*. For that, permission is needed. it should happen in the knowledge of that person. Because, if you have paid attention to this, it is the first time that this higher step of evolution has happened in your awareness. Not before this. When you became a tortoise from a fish, you didn't know, from tortoise onwards as you became a monkey, you didn't know, and from monkey when you became human, you didn't know. But today, from human when you are becoming superhuman, you know. Now, what should you not do, what to do, I have told quite a bit about this. For diseases and such, for that we have a few doctors here and they are realized souls, you can speak with them... But I have mostly observed that after Sahaja Yoga, the first thing people do is to make a list of all sick relatives, "when Mother comes, we will take so many sick people to her". Very common. Sitting down they think all the time that when Mother comes, then I will get my uncle's nephew who is there in England, that xyz had that problem, I will call him. And this is the worst thing. This happens with everyone, and it's a very harmful thing - for me and for you also. For one, till you yourself become powerful, do not go to people who are sick, sad, worried, because if you go to them, then you will catch from them, their disease will stick with you. Especially run away from mentally affected people; initially when your own sapling has just been planted, it has to be taken care of. In the morning before going out, take bandhan. And in the night also sleep after taking bandhan and washing feet. Maintain yourself in this way at least till I come back. It does not take much time - in just 15 minutes the whole thing can be done in the night. And in the beginning, please don't gather all made and sick people. I have not come to cure diseases. I have come to give Realization to all. First you become Realized, then the diseases will run away by themselves. And those who are not seeking God, what do I have to do by healing them, make pickles? You tell me, think from my perspective, that the lamps that are not going to get enlightened, rather than correcting them it's better to put them in junk so they get remade then correct, won't someone think like that? Yes, if someone is seeking God, then even if he is ninety years old or a hundred years old, even if he is in a bad state, for such a person, I will work day and night. That is very different. Gather those who are seeking God. Who is seeking God, gather those. Now next time I should not see that every person has brought twenty-five sick people, out of them, I tell you, not one person will stay. Now you see, how many sick people were coming initially, they all got alright, they even brought reports to show that, but who is coming now, will they come? I have healed thousands, my disciples have healed thousands, but nobody cares. First we want Realized people, a lot of people should become Realized. Give them, there must be intact people in the world. And even if these become corrected physically, what good are they for, because that way there are many strong people (wrestlers) - what is to God? If they don't get corrected, a new pot will be made from them. But the pots that are already made and ready to receive water, they will be filled with water. So gather such people who are seeking God, who are wholeheartedly towards God. If they are already stuck with a guru, do not bring them to me and stick here, otherwise, they fight with me. If they think some guru has given them the absolute, then please spare me, tell them to go to the same guru, that your guru is a very nice man, you stick with him, pardon us, please do not torment Mother. Otherwise, such people trouble me a lot. So I have this much request to you, that those who are sticking with some guru, let them be stuck, when the guru will give them a few blows and they will understand, then they will come. We do not have to go to any gurus. Recently I went to Pune, and [many?] said, "Mother should we go there and work"? I said there is no need, let them be there. They become very difficult. And the more number of gurus they have been to, the more problems they have. Those who come by themselves, let them come. Yes, but if you know such a man -- it is not necessary that he may be taking God's name in big ways, but he is a good man, about whom people say he is a very good man, he is innocent, whom everyone cheats, he is okay. The one who cheats everyone - let him cheat, he will be cheated such that he will understand, his cheating will eat him. So, a good man, who is innocent, simple, who is not very boastful, who does not spoil other people's minds with his own intellectual brilliance, find such simple straightforward people. Everyone must know such people, who are good people, who have goodwill in them, who do good to the world, always wishes well for others, and who does not hanker or lust after anything -- gather such simple people and bring them. And do not gather patients (sick people). I am fed up of sick people now. Now if someone's some disease does not get corrected, they get after my life, "my this thing did not go away" -- if it did not, what can I do? The point is, what will I gain from removing it? And they will be after me. And they will be the first to come and sit. The most caught up come very first and sit down. Now the problem is, how do I heal them -- and they will be after my life, "no, please heal, you have to" -- how to do, you also need to have some accumulated wealth (punyas), you also need to have a bank account, isn't it? Now if you do not have a bank account (punyas), what can I do? You need to have at least a little bit. The bank may even give overdraft, but how much (Shri Mataji laughed), that also has an end, isn't it? So don't gather such people. Those who are good people, who do not go into extremes, remain in the center, who live in dharma, who are ordinary, find such people. Very big people become difficult. And then those who work as servants and maids at homes. Some servants are okay... we had a driver at Mumbai, we used to call him Raja Sahab (Honorable King), some servants are also like king (by temperament) but not all. Because they are your servants, don't bring and put them at my feet, "because these are our servants, so we brought them" -- don't do this. Just now one lady had come, she ate up (figuratively) my whole foot, burned my foot, and then if you say something, they get offended. Have interest always in Sahaja Yogis, how are Sahaja Yogis, that they are not in any trouble, they are not bothered about anything. But it (the interest) does not stay in that. Do not have interest in useless people, but in those who are Sahaja Yogis. And first gather those who are seeking God, who are simple people. When these people will be all right, the difficult ones can be corrected later. Otherwise, such people come - who seem to have four horns, and I can't understand how to save myself from them. Sometimes they run here, sometimes there, they just don't listen. So bring ordinary, simple people. Now, if someone is your father or your mother - that is not the criteria. The criteria is, that who is seeking God - that is my brother, sister, mother. Christ once said, "Who are my brothers, and who are my sisters?" - it is a very big sentence. "Who are my brothers and who are my sisters?" -- The Sahaja Yogis are his brothers and Sahaja Yoginis are his sisters. He is their eldest brother. Ganesha is your eldest brother. And those who are related to you by these "laukik" (लौकिक - worldly) relationships, and into "laukik" (worldly) relationships, these are worldly only, there is no need to go crazy after them. Gradually, you will be surprised, they will come into it. By observing your behavior, your thoughts, your ways & methods, gradually they will all come. But there is no need to waste energy after it. They will all come gradually. "My"-ness has to be reduced - this is too much in our Indians, and completely missing abroad. "My son", "my daughter", "my this-", reduce this a bit. But because this Sahaja Yoga is going to grow in family (environment), it is very essential that family atmosphere must be good, and gradually it must be expanded in your family as well. There is no need to hurt any family members in any way, gradually everything will be alright. It depends on your handling, and how powerful are you at home, it depends on that. This way, bring everyone in love and by proving your love, bring them in Sahaja Yoga. And Sahaja Yoga is self-proven, there is no need to prove it. And because of that (Sahaja Yoga), you also shine, and that is your proof too. Now you are all proven, and I bow to you. Tomorrow I will go and will come back here on the twenty-eighth. I hope you all know the venue and everything and will be present there. And this book - you all buy one copy each, because how much can I say in one lecture, I do not know how much I might have said in that book also, but it has some deliberation about some subtle things. So you see it, understand it, from that you will know more about me, because when I speak, I keep myself in the back because this is a maya form, and is a bit difficult to understand, so from that book also you can understand me. So it will be good if you buy that book. And if there are a few questions, you can ask, otherwise meditate. [ Later, Shri Mataji talked about balancing vibrations, how to raise the left and bring down the right, and vice-versa. And She talked about the bandhan ][*Paar: One who has got Realization and has crossed the Sahasrara and has got the knowledge of vibrations.]

3/21/1979

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Birthday Puja. Mumbai, Maharashtra (India). 21 March 1979. My heart is overwhelmed. Till date, this birthday has been regularly celebrated in Bombay (*former name for Mumbai). Had to work really hard in Bombay; had to work the most, here. People often ask me “Mother, why do you need to work so much in Bombay?" Initially, I stayed here, and, then I felt that there is so much work that can be done in Bombay. However, some shadows are cast over Bombay. Now in Delhi, even less work amounts to a lot more. Lot of work has been done in villages too. Undoubtedly, thousands have got their realization. A lot of work has been done, even in a city like London. But, people of Bombay have an ominous shadow cast upon them. I think they are too indulged in materialism. Strangely, we have worked the most in Bombay and yet have the least number of Sahaja Yogis here. Can’t find a reason for this. Often, I contemplate; especially when people question me “Mother, why do you devote so much time in Bombay? Why is Bombay so special?” Although I am quite wary of cities. Because in cities, you have money, and, there are already enough conmen who ready to rob you. Since you have money, you prefer to go to these conmen. You run behind these circus owners. Thousands run to the sermons of such people; they do not seek the truth. They constantly experiment with the power of money that confers ego. In spite of all this, I love Bombay. There is a big reason behind this – you people are aware that all three — Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati — have originated in this city. Unsure what Mother Earth would have thought, to have chosen nowhere but this land, and bless it immensely such that all the three powers (Shakti) have originated in this city. But then people go to the Mahalakshmi temple and do all sorts of immoral things there. There is a race to be at the Mahalakshmi, so much rush there. Yet the people of Bombay are unsure of what they are seeking. I often wonder, when will these people use their brains? When will they understand? When will they realize that the foremost thing is to seek your spirit (Atma)? Without seeking your spirit, you can’t seek the Almighty (Parmatma). Everything else that you are doing is ignorance (avidya) and worthless. You’re aware that God’s kingdom reigns unrestrained in this world. He has not only created the universe but also you so that you identify with Him as the Doer (Karta), the Creator (Srishta), and the Nurturer (Paalanhaar). You must understand His Powers (Shakti). I don’t understand why man is so confused to have taken the wrong path, and, made his life so petty. Albeit God has worked hard to create man; you have evolved into a human from an amoeba. If you notice your eyes, you will realize how important an organ it is. God has sculpted these eyes so beautifully. He has created this entire body so beautifully. He has created the entire instrument within this body through which you will receive this boon and it will be unlocked soon. But, the people of Bombay are asleep, in a state of deep slumber. Don’t know why they are so inebriated and intoxicated? I repeatedly ask you to wake up, it’s time to wake up now. In fact, you already know that Sahaja Yoga is nothing new – Saint Kabir has spoken about it, Guru Nanak has spoken about it, even what Lord Rama did was, in fact, Sahaja Yoga. He walked barefoot across India including in your Maharashtra. He walked on this land, covering every bit of this Mother India, so as to vibrate it. Vibrations flowed from his feet. He walked barefoot everywhere to spread these vibrations. Even Mother Earth established the Ashtavinayaka here (in Maharashtra) so that vibrations would emanate, and people would recognize it. Later, what Lord Krishna did was also Sahaja Yoga, it was all Sahaja Yoga. Radha ji herself was the Power (Shakti). Radha – “Ra” means power (Shakti), “Dha” means the one who bears it (Dhaaran karne wali); She was the Shakti. When She would put her feet in the Yamuna, vibrations would flow. When Radha would carry water pitchers on Her head, vibrations would flow. When He (Shri Krishna) would break those pitchers with stones, the trickled water would vibrate the ground. When Gopis would carry the Yamuna water in pitchers on their heads, Krishna would hit and break their pitchers, the vibrated water would then spill on their backs and thus the Gopis would get their realization. Then they would often play the Raas; Raas – “Ra” means “Shakti” and “Sa” means “with” (Sah). He wanted to awaken everyone, and, so they would run around and play, and, be immersed in the vibrations flowing from Radha. He did all this to awaken the kundalini in humans – playfully via all these acts — for He was the Leelapriya (meaning, the One who loves the Divine play). But man has been doing this for thousands of years. Since birth, I was sure of an important aspect and therefore I would often seek my father’s advice because he was a very learned man. Even he advised me that unless this realization is available for common masses (Sarva Saamanya) and unless they experience this Spirit (Aatma), God or his creation would remain meaningless. It is important for people to recognize the Spirit because without recognizing the Spirit, you cannot recognize God. Like you can't see without your eyes, similarly, you can’t recognize God unless the soul is awakened. Thousands of shops may be opened in the name of God, there may be all sorts of shams and pretence in His name, but none of it would work. Your Spirit resides in your heart. The witness that resides within you, must be recognized. This is very important. Yet you don’t understand. This is so important. The time has come now. You heard from these foreigner Sahaja Yogis how their countries have been doomed — homes are shattered, families are broken, people are unsheltered and on streets due to alcoholism. Such apathy that there is no recognition of a mother or a sister. They are emotionally crippled, can’t sleep at night. In Sweden, nine out of ten people are suicidal. They have the maximum number of suicides in the world; even though it’s a country of conveniences and affluence. Today we are running after money and wasting our energy in all sorts of meaningless things, we are just deteriorating our self-worth. For what and how we have been created? God has created us with such hard work. What is our significance? What is so unique about us? For us, all five elements have also worked hard. Everyone has painstakingly created and sculpted you. The entire mechanism, the kundalini and its awakening have all been created within you. But Sahaja Yoga grows slowly. One reason is, it is a living process, and secondly, it is the truth. You can make any artificial thing easily; you can make thousands of plastic flowers but real flowers bloom with much difficulty. However, when blossom times come, thousands of flowers bloom. But, in Bombay no one is aware of the blossom times; everyone is asleep in deep slumber. They are unaware that blossom times have come and so many flowers have already bloomed, and, they are lying lowly and just dying. It is a very pious day today. Today isn’t such a day that a mother should scold the children, really it isn’t such a day. Since 1970, I have been insisting that this day should be celebrated in Bombay. And every time I shower praises upon you people. But then I see that Sahaja Yoga isn’t flourishing here. Dirty con men are running their businesses here. If such a person comes here today to tell you all sort of dirty things, thousands will run to him and dance naked; you dance. But you don’t need the truth. And today I am warning, you must pay heed. In the same way, once I warned them in Andhra (*Andhra Pradesh is a state in India), but they got annoyed with me. I cautioned them that they must wake up because they were growing tobacco everywhere, fields and fields of tobacco. They said, “we don’t eat it, we just export it”. The rich peasants are cultivating tobacco and the poor ones are doing black magic. I forewarned them; this is enough — this sea would swell and engulf everything. And you must see, I said it on a particular date and then it happened. I don’t know why, but I got very anxious to see what they were doing. Have they forgotten that God watches and takes cognizance of everything? Every city has its virtues. Every place has its virtues. But there is a limit to it and people have crossed these limits. Ultimately you have to bear the punishment and its consequences. Last year I heard about these priests and how they have been tormenting people. They are sitting on the shores of Ganga and Yamuna and selling religion. I warned people vociferously that they should be wary of these priests. Now you can see, how these priests had to run away dismantling their shops as the Ganga and Yamuna swelled. This is the beginning. But today I am telling you, you must think about the future. You must be wary of it, the Kalki incarnation that is about to arrive, it will not warn you or request you, it will not work hard on you or give you realization, it will not cure your cancer. It will just come with a sword for the Last Judgment. That will be a catastrophe. That will be its work. Sahaja Yoga is very good – it has integration, it has joy, it was bliss, it has physical and mental well-being, and, it has the Almighty's blessings. It is all very beautiful. But in the Kalki era, this won’t happen. You have heard about the Kalki incarnation and it is about to arrive. There is little time left for it. In the time being please awaken your spirit (Atma). Your spirit and Kundalini have always resided within you. But I don’t understand what gibberish people talk about Kundalini – it’s your mother. And you have been listening to all this. I don’t understand how you fondly listen to such people who use obscenities for Kundalini, which is your mother. You give them your money, spend your time with them, listen to their tapes and devotedly accepted their teachings. People who abuse your mother, you revere them. First, you must understand that when God created this universe, the first thing he established was Ganesha, the epitome of purity, He is purity. The first thing that was created in this world was purity. Someone who isn’t pure doesn’t have the right to talk about God. Because once you take to Sahaja Yoga, you become pure. Many attain it on their own. This is about prepossession (Poorva Sampada). But for others, they get it gradually, bit by bit. You must understand where you have come, sixteen thousand people have quit drinking alcohol. So, people don’t come to Sahaja Yoga because they think Shri Mataji will ask them to give up alcohol. I never say it, they just give it up on their own. Because when you are drenched in your own nectar, when you feel joyous within, when this ambrosia is flowing in your heart, then why would you consume alcohol. There is no need for me to say anything. You can see these three hundred experienced people standing in front of you here, they have given up all these things including drugs. I never asked them, “you must give up drugs”? You have to seek your powers; the key lies within you. This is all that I have to say. But why should you be angry if I say this? Even the black magicians (taantrik) must understand, will a Mother ever say things that will harm her children. No Mother will ever side with her children for doing wrong things. I don’t say anything before you take to Sahaja Yoga – whoever you are, whatever disease you may have, whatever be your state — I accept it all and welcome you. Once you accept it, Sahaja Yoga automatically transforms you – from top to bottom – because it is a living process. Like a tree, it has life. If it is damaged, you may pour a medicinal potion that would heal it from within, from top to bottom. But something that is dead, like a building; if its basement or walls are damaged, we cannot repair it. You are living. This living process occurs within you. For this, God has created you, he has created each chakra step by step – gradually and beautifully. But do you not wish to know anything about yourself? Do you not wish to achieve the powers within you? These chakras within you are so beautiful. They were created with many efforts and they are eager. Your kundalini has been residing within you since ages and has been waiting for that moment when you would achieve your unison with God. For this, how many times do I need to request and beg of you? You must also ask for the truth. The truth will not come begging to you. Truth is not asking you for votes or for any money. You cannot buy truth; this is its biggest flaw. If you could have bought truth and if it would have fulfilled your ego, then you would have continued like this. Just like how you are running after other gurus and wasting your time and money there. You are your own guru then why do you need to run behind anyone You must understand and achieve it. At least value yourself a little, respect yourself and understand yourself. Don’t waste this valuable human birth in such futile things. Recently so many people got their realization in the Delhi program. I was amazed that so many people of such varied types had come. I must say that Delhi is blessed by Guru Nanak Dev, so people there accept it easily. But even in Maharashtra, so much is being done. This is the land of saints. Saints who nurtured it with their blood. Lot of work can be done here in Maharashtra. But this Mumbanagari, which is considered the capital of Maharashtra, I can’t comprehend why is it so devoid of saints, devoid of truth, is full of atheists and has become a land of sins. There is a huge responsibility that you must shoulder. Tomorrow God will question you, “Son, what did you do? Did you sin? Did you engross in that sin?” Then people come to me and ask “Mother why did this happen to my child? Why is my child suffering like this? Why is my daughter suffering? Why did this happen to us?” What have you been doing? Where have you been? People from different countries are coming and talking to you, your eyes will be opened once you go there. You are treading the same path. You are unable to see the pits where they fell. Because you are just enamoured by their path so you can’t see the pitfalls from which they are trying to escape and recover. And when they can’t find a way out, they commit suicides. Who can be saved despite suicide, because nobody dies? It is a vicious cycle of birth and rebirth – same dilemma, same troubles and same terror. The cancer disease is a huge problem facing you like a demon. Looking at it, you must understand that it has no cure other than Sahaja Yoga. No matter what you may try, cancer can’t be cured except in Sahaja Yoga. You just met Dr Kajoria (please check his name, I couldn’t decipher from speech), he has treated cancer patients in London. You should go to the doctors. Many of our disciples here are doctors, who have treated cancer. But when you go to the doctors, they ask you to show a list of people that have been treated. This is the work of love. Do you give your guestlist to others when guests come over? Do you give proofs of how much food you fed them? These doctors who work for money, they can never understand this love? How can they understand Mother? They can’t possibly understand. I am surprised at the weird questions they ask me. I don’t know how many people I have cured or not? Ganga is flowing, whoever is cured, is cured, and, one who isn’t, isn’t. Who keeps a count of how many are cured? How many were blessed? How many were quenched? How many filled their pitchers? The glory of love can never be seen without the light of the Spirit (atma). First, let the light of Spirit gleam. In this light, you can witness that love is actually a unique thing. Till now you haven’t understood love. The power of love is very compelling and great. There is no power subtler than love. Even though you may be sitting here, you can give realization to anyone, anywhere; you can benefit them and work for their welfare. Its power is so subtle and dynamic, you cannot comprehend it. Your science etc. cannot even come close to it. But you should come and witness it. Why are you sitting with such ego? The blindness of this pride is too much, too much blindness. Sometimes I’m very disheartened, when will people become aware and will achieve this. Tomorrow I will tell you, who and what you are? What are the different chakras inside you and how can they be activated? And how this union, this kundalini which your mother, grants you realization. It is so creative, beautiful and affectionate; therefore, it is your foremost duty to understand it. It has stayed within you since ages and your ultimate goal is to achieve it. Why were you born? Why were you born as a human being? Why did you evolve into a human from an amoeba? Consider this, if we make a large instrument and do not connect it to the mains, then it is useless. It is meaningless, it is a waste. And even its creator is of no use? Likewise, even God would have been meaningless. But the Almighty bows in front of you because you have freedom. This work would not have been possible without your freedom. Hence you were granted freedom. But freedom does not mean unbridled exemption. If the different components of an aeroplane claim freedom to attach themselves to wherever they want, can such a plane ever take off or fly? Similarly, when you are bound as the part and parcel of the Almighty, and, exist as the blood and tissues in the being of the Virata, then how can you exist as an individual personality, or claim that you are born free. The moment you say this, immediately you become malignant and cancerous to that body. As soon as you say’ “I will do, what I want to”, you must realize that all beings exist as the part and parcel of the Almighty. All the souls are watching you. Once you reach this cancerous stage, not only do you harm yourself but also to the Magnificent Body that has assimilated you. You should keep this in mind. It is very important because time is less, very less. You can understand that since 1970, I have spent several months in Bombay and have worked very hard. Like they said that I have worked the hardest in Bombay. But the people here are very difficult. May be here, it is the case of what they say — over-familiarity breeds disrespect (ati parichyat avaghya). But now there is no time to sleep. Please wake up. Tomorrow all of you must bring more people with you, your neighbours. If possible, stay back for the qawwali session after this program today and I will try to give self-realization. At that time everyone should sit with your hands open towards me and gradually you will feel a cool breeze in your hands. You will see these cool divine vibrations flowing from your hands. Even Adi Shankaracharya spoke quite vividly about this cool breeze. The Bible says that these cool vibrations emanate from the body of the Holy Ghost, the AdiShakti. It is mentioned in all scriptures, it is nothing new. But till now, it has never happened for the masses, the common masses should get it. It does not thrive if it happens only for a few. Therefore, it was important to do this work in Kaliyuga. Today so many of you congratulated me including the Sahaja Yogis. For Sahaja Yogis, I must say that since it has no branches, so it spreads comparatively less. Therefore, whatever Sahaja Yogis we have, they are very deep, and this depth is indeed praiseworthy. Because they don’t have too many branches, most of the Sahaja Yogis attain great depths. But their light spreads less on the outside. We have approximately 200-300-400 Sahaja Yogis here, they are very deep. But their lights haven’t spread on the outside yet. So, I want to tell you that instead of taking your friends and relatives to some futile parties and treats, bring them here so that they can get their realization and benefit from this boon. You know, we don't ask for any money or any other thing, you just have to get your realization. Nobody can get their realization through arguments or brawls. Anyone who is realized is realized; and, one who is not. If you want to get a realization, you must. You can come once, or twice and as soon as you come, you will get your realization. Last time I worked very hard and paid a lot of attention. But then I noticed that people are still asleep. They must be woken up now. So, in this hope, I spoke a little strongly to you today that you must wake up. If you can’t listen when spoken to softly and sweetly, then I must talk to you strictly “Son wake up, it is already late. The sun has risen in the sky, it will set again and then it will be dark and then you will drown forever in that darkness”. It is Mother’s heart and becomes very perplexed and distressed at times. You must understand this. Today you must promise me that next time when I celebrate my birthday here, you will come in huge numbers and all will take to Sahaja Yoga.

Birthday Puja. Mumbai, Maharashtra (India). 21 March 1979. My heart is overwhelmed. Till date, this birthday has been regularly celebrated in Bombay (*former name for Mumbai). Had to work really hard in Bombay; had to work the most, here. People often ask me “Mother, why do you need to work so much in Bombay?" Initially, I stayed here, and, then I felt that there is so much work that can be done in Bombay. However, some shadows are cast over Bombay. Now in Delhi, even less work amounts to a lot more. Lot of work has been done in villages too. Undoubtedly, thousands have got their realization. A lot of work has been done, even in a city like London. But, people of Bombay have an ominous shadow cast upon them. I think they are too indulged in materialism. Strangely, we have worked the most in Bombay and yet have the least number of Sahaja Yogis here. Can’t find a reason for this. Often, I contemplate; especially when people question me “Mother, why do you devote so much time in Bombay? Why is Bombay so special?” Although I am quite wary of cities. Because in cities, you have money, and, there are already enough conmen who ready to rob you. Since you have money, you prefer to go to these conmen. You run behind these circus owners. Thousands run to the sermons of such people; they do not seek the truth. They constantly experiment with the power of money that confers ego. In spite of all this, I love Bombay. There is a big reason behind this – you people are aware that all three — Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswati — have originated in this city. Unsure what Mother Earth would have thought, to have chosen nowhere but this land, and bless it immensely such that all the three powers (Shakti) have originated in this city. But then people go to the Mahalakshmi temple and do all sorts of immoral things there. There is a race to be at the Mahalakshmi, so much rush there. Yet the people of Bombay are unsure of what they are seeking. I often wonder, when will these people use their brains? When will they understand? When will they realize that the foremost thing is to seek your spirit (Atma)? Without seeking your spirit, you can’t seek the Almighty (Parmatma). Everything else that you are doing is ignorance (avidya) and worthless. You’re aware that God’s kingdom reigns unrestrained in this world. He has not only created the universe but also you so that you identify with Him as the Doer (Karta), the Creator (Srishta), and the Nurturer (Paalanhaar). You must understand His Powers (Shakti). I don’t understand why man is so confused to have taken the wrong path, and, made his life so petty. Albeit God has worked hard to create man; you have evolved into a human from an amoeba. If you notice your eyes, you will realize how important an organ it is. God has sculpted these eyes so beautifully. He has created this entire body so beautifully. He has created the entire instrument within this body through which you will receive this boon and it will be unlocked soon. But, the people of Bombay are asleep, in a state of deep slumber. Don’t know why they are so inebriated and intoxicated? I repeatedly ask you to wake up, it’s time to wake up now. In fact, you already know that Sahaja Yoga is nothing new – Saint Kabir has spoken about it, Guru Nanak has spoken about it, even what Lord Rama did was, in fact, Sahaja Yoga. He walked barefoot across India including in your Maharashtra. He walked on this land, covering every bit of this Mother India, so as to vibrate it. Vibrations flowed from his feet. He walked barefoot everywhere to spread these vibrations. Even Mother Earth established the Ashtavinayaka here (in Maharashtra) so that vibrations would emanate, and people would recognize it. Later, what Lord Krishna did was also Sahaja Yoga, it was all Sahaja Yoga. Radha ji herself was the Power (Shakti). Radha – “Ra” means power (Shakti), “Dha” means the one who bears it (Dhaaran karne wali); She was the Shakti. When She would put her feet in the Yamuna, vibrations would flow. When Radha would carry water pitchers on Her head, vibrations would flow. When He (Shri Krishna) would break those pitchers with stones, the trickled water would vibrate the ground. When Gopis would carry the Yamuna water in pitchers on their heads, Krishna would hit and break their pitchers, the vibrated water would then spill on their backs and thus the Gopis would get their realization. Then they would often play the Raas; Raas – “Ra” means “Shakti” and “Sa” means “with” (Sah). He wanted to awaken everyone, and, so they would run around and play, and, be immersed in the vibrations flowing from Radha. He did all this to awaken the kundalini in humans – playfully via all these acts — for He was the Leelapriya (meaning, the One who loves the Divine play). But man has been doing this for thousands of years. Since birth, I was sure of an important aspect and therefore I would often seek my father’s advice because he was a very learned man. Even he advised me that unless this realization is available for common masses (Sarva Saamanya) and unless they experience this Spirit (Aatma), God or his creation would remain meaningless. It is important for people to recognize the Spirit because without recognizing the Spirit, you cannot recognize God. Like you can't see without your eyes, similarly, you can’t recognize God unless the soul is awakened. Thousands of shops may be opened in the name of God, there may be all sorts of shams and pretence in His name, but none of it would work. Your Spirit resides in your heart. The witness that resides within you, must be recognized. This is very important. Yet you don’t understand. This is so important. The time has come now. You heard from these foreigner Sahaja Yogis how their countries have been doomed — homes are shattered, families are broken, people are unsheltered and on streets due to alcoholism. Such apathy that there is no recognition of a mother or a sister. They are emotionally crippled, can’t sleep at night. In Sweden, nine out of ten people are suicidal. They have the maximum number of suicides in the world; even though it’s a country of conveniences and affluence. Today we are running after money and wasting our energy in all sorts of meaningless things, we are just deteriorating our self-worth. For what and how we have been created? God has created us with such hard work. What is our significance? What is so unique about us? For us, all five elements have also worked hard. Everyone has painstakingly created and sculpted you. The entire mechanism, the kundalini and its awakening have all been created within you. But Sahaja Yoga grows slowly. One reason is, it is a living process, and secondly, it is the truth. You can make any artificial thing easily; you can make thousands of plastic flowers but real flowers bloom with much difficulty. However, when blossom times come, thousands of flowers bloom. But, in Bombay no one is aware of the blossom times; everyone is asleep in deep slumber. They are unaware that blossom times have come and so many flowers have already bloomed, and, they are lying lowly and just dying. It is a very pious day today. Today isn’t such a day that a mother should scold the children, really it isn’t such a day. Since 1970, I have been insisting that this day should be celebrated in Bombay. And every time I shower praises upon you people. But then I see that Sahaja Yoga isn’t flourishing here. Dirty con men are running their businesses here. If such a person comes here today to tell you all sort of dirty things, thousands will run to him and dance naked; you dance. But you don’t need the truth. And today I am warning, you must pay heed. In the same way, once I warned them in Andhra (*Andhra Pradesh is a state in India), but they got annoyed with me. I cautioned them that they must wake up because they were growing tobacco everywhere, fields and fields of tobacco. They said, “we don’t eat it, we just export it”. The rich peasants are cultivating tobacco and the poor ones are doing black magic. I forewarned them; this is enough — this sea would swell and engulf everything. And you must see, I said it on a particular date and then it happened. I don’t know why, but I got very anxious to see what they were doing. Have they forgotten that God watches and takes cognizance of everything? Every city has its virtues. Every place has its virtues. But there is a limit to it and people have crossed these limits. Ultimately you have to bear the punishment and its consequences. Last year I heard about these priests and how they have been tormenting people. They are sitting on the shores of Ganga and Yamuna and selling religion. I warned people vociferously that they should be wary of these priests. Now you can see, how these priests had to run away dismantling their shops as the Ganga and Yamuna swelled. This is the beginning. But today I am telling you, you must think about the future. You must be wary of it, the Kalki incarnation that is about to arrive, it will not warn you or request you, it will not work hard on you or give you realization, it will not cure your cancer. It will just come with a sword for the Last Judgment. That will be a catastrophe. That will be its work. Sahaja Yoga is very good – it has integration, it has joy, it was bliss, it has physical and mental well-being, and, it has the Almighty's blessings. It is all very beautiful. But in the Kalki era, this won’t happen. You have heard about the Kalki incarnation and it is about to arrive. There is little time left for it. In the time being please awaken your spirit (Atma). Your spirit and Kundalini have always resided within you. But I don’t understand what gibberish people talk about Kundalini – it’s your mother. And you have been listening to all this. I don’t understand how you fondly listen to such people who use obscenities for Kundalini, which is your mother. You give them your money, spend your time with them, listen to their tapes and devotedly accepted their teachings. People who abuse your mother, you revere them. First, you must understand that when God created this universe, the first thing he established was Ganesha, the epitome of purity, He is purity. The first thing that was created in this world was purity. Someone who isn’t pure doesn’t have the right to talk about God. Because once you take to Sahaja Yoga, you become pure. Many attain it on their own. This is about prepossession (Poorva Sampada). But for others, they get it gradually, bit by bit. You must understand where you have come, sixteen thousand people have quit drinking alcohol. So, people don’t come to Sahaja Yoga because they think Shri Mataji will ask them to give up alcohol. I never say it, they just give it up on their own. Because when you are drenched in your own nectar, when you feel joyous within, when this ambrosia is flowing in your heart, then why would you consume alcohol. There is no need for me to say anything. You can see these three hundred experienced people standing in front of you here, they have given up all these things including drugs. I never asked them, “you must give up drugs”? You have to seek your powers; the key lies within you. This is all that I have to say. But why should you be angry if I say this? Even the black magicians (taantrik) must understand, will a Mother ever say things that will harm her children. No Mother will ever side with her children for doing wrong things. I don’t say anything before you take to Sahaja Yoga – whoever you are, whatever disease you may have, whatever be your state — I accept it all and welcome you. Once you accept it, Sahaja Yoga automatically transforms you – from top to bottom – because it is a living process. Like a tree, it has life. If it is damaged, you may pour a medicinal potion that would heal it from within, from top to bottom. But something that is dead, like a building; if its basement or walls are damaged, we cannot repair it. You are living. This living process occurs within you. For this, God has created you, he has created each chakra step by step – gradually and beautifully. But do you not wish to know anything about yourself? Do you not wish to achieve the powers within you? These chakras within you are so beautiful. They were created with many efforts and they are eager. Your kundalini has been residing within you since ages and has been waiting for that moment when you would achieve your unison with God. For this, how many times do I need to request and beg of you? You must also ask for the truth. The truth will not come begging to you. Truth is not asking you for votes or for any money. You cannot buy truth; this is its biggest flaw. If you could have bought truth and if it would have fulfilled your ego, then you would have continued like this. Just like how you are running after other gurus and wasting your time and money there. You are your own guru then why do you need to run behind anyone You must understand and achieve it. At least value yourself a little, respect yourself and understand yourself. Don’t waste this valuable human birth in such futile things. Recently so many people got their realization in the Delhi program. I was amazed that so many people of such varied types had come. I must say that Delhi is blessed by Guru Nanak Dev, so people there accept it easily. But even in Maharashtra, so much is being done. This is the land of saints. Saints who nurtured it with their blood. Lot of work can be done here in Maharashtra. But this Mumbanagari, which is considered the capital of Maharashtra, I can’t comprehend why is it so devoid of saints, devoid of truth, is full of atheists and has become a land of sins. There is a huge responsibility that you must shoulder. Tomorrow God will question you, “Son, what did you do? Did you sin? Did you engross in that sin?” Then people come to me and ask “Mother why did this happen to my child? Why is my child suffering like this? Why is my daughter suffering? Why did this happen to us?” What have you been doing? Where have you been? People from different countries are coming and talking to you, your eyes will be opened once you go there. You are treading the same path. You are unable to see the pits where they fell. Because you are just enamoured by their path so you can’t see the pitfalls from which they are trying to escape and recover. And when they can’t find a way out, they commit suicides. Who can be saved despite suicide, because nobody dies? It is a vicious cycle of birth and rebirth – same dilemma, same troubles and same terror. The cancer disease is a huge problem facing you like a demon. Looking at it, you must understand that it has no cure other than Sahaja Yoga. No matter what you may try, cancer can’t be cured except in Sahaja Yoga. You just met Dr Kajoria (please check his name, I couldn’t decipher from speech), he has treated cancer patients in London. You should go to the doctors. Many of our disciples here are doctors, who have treated cancer. But when you go to the doctors, they ask you to show a list of people that have been treated. This is the work of love. Do you give your guestlist to others when guests come over? Do you give proofs of how much food you fed them? These doctors who work for money, they can never understand this love? How can they understand Mother? They can’t possibly understand. I am surprised at the weird questions they ask me. I don’t know how many people I have cured or not? Ganga is flowing, whoever is cured, is cured, and, one who isn’t, isn’t. Who keeps a count of how many are cured? How many were blessed? How many were quenched? How many filled their pitchers? The glory of love can never be seen without the light of the Spirit (atma). First, let the light of Spirit gleam. In this light, you can witness that love is actually a unique thing. Till now you haven’t understood love. The power of love is very compelling and great. There is no power subtler than love. Even though you may be sitting here, you can give realization to anyone, anywhere; you can benefit them and work for their welfare. Its power is so subtle and dynamic, you cannot comprehend it. Your science etc. cannot even come close to it. But you should come and witness it. Why are you sitting with such ego? The blindness of this pride is too much, too much blindness. Sometimes I’m very disheartened, when will people become aware and will achieve this. Tomorrow I will tell you, who and what you are? What are the different chakras inside you and how can they be activated? And how this union, this kundalini which your mother, grants you realization. It is so creative, beautiful and affectionate; therefore, it is your foremost duty to understand it. It has stayed within you since ages and your ultimate goal is to achieve it. Why were you born? Why were you born as a human being? Why did you evolve into a human from an amoeba? Consider this, if we make a large instrument and do not connect it to the mains, then it is useless. It is meaningless, it is a waste. And even its creator is of no use? Likewise, even God would have been meaningless. But the Almighty bows in front of you because you have freedom. This work would not have been possible without your freedom. Hence you were granted freedom. But freedom does not mean unbridled exemption. If the different components of an aeroplane claim freedom to attach themselves to wherever they want, can such a plane ever take off or fly? Similarly, when you are bound as the part and parcel of the Almighty, and, exist as the blood and tissues in the being of the Virata, then how can you exist as an individual personality, or claim that you are born free. The moment you say this, immediately you become malignant and cancerous to that body. As soon as you say’ “I will do, what I want to”, you must realize that all beings exist as the part and parcel of the Almighty. All the souls are watching you. Once you reach this cancerous stage, not only do you harm yourself but also to the Magnificent Body that has assimilated you. You should keep this in mind. It is very important because time is less, very less. You can understand that since 1970, I have spent several months in Bombay and have worked very hard. Like they said that I have worked the hardest in Bombay. But the people here are very difficult. May be here, it is the case of what they say — over-familiarity breeds disrespect (ati parichyat avaghya). But now there is no time to sleep. Please wake up. Tomorrow all of you must bring more people with you, your neighbours. If possible, stay back for the qawwali session after this program today and I will try to give self-realization. At that time everyone should sit with your hands open towards me and gradually you will feel a cool breeze in your hands. You will see these cool divine vibrations flowing from your hands. Even Adi Shankaracharya spoke quite vividly about this cool breeze. The Bible says that these cool vibrations emanate from the body of the Holy Ghost, the AdiShakti. It is mentioned in all scriptures, it is nothing new. But till now, it has never happened for the masses, the common masses should get it. It does not thrive if it happens only for a few. Therefore, it was important to do this work in Kaliyuga. Today so many of you congratulated me including the Sahaja Yogis. For Sahaja Yogis, I must say that since it has no branches, so it spreads comparatively less. Therefore, whatever Sahaja Yogis we have, they are very deep, and this depth is indeed praiseworthy. Because they don’t have too many branches, most of the Sahaja Yogis attain great depths. But their light spreads less on the outside. We have approximately 200-300-400 Sahaja Yogis here, they are very deep. But their lights haven’t spread on the outside yet. So, I want to tell you that instead of taking your friends and relatives to some futile parties and treats, bring them here so that they can get their realization and benefit from this boon. You know, we don't ask for any money or any other thing, you just have to get your realization. Nobody can get their realization through arguments or brawls. Anyone who is realized is realized; and, one who is not. If you want to get a realization, you must. You can come once, or twice and as soon as you come, you will get your realization. Last time I worked very hard and paid a lot of attention. But then I noticed that people are still asleep. They must be woken up now. So, in this hope, I spoke a little strongly to you today that you must wake up. If you can’t listen when spoken to softly and sweetly, then I must talk to you strictly “Son wake up, it is already late. The sun has risen in the sky, it will set again and then it will be dark and then you will drown forever in that darkness”. It is Mother’s heart and becomes very perplexed and distressed at times. You must understand this. Today you must promise me that next time when I celebrate my birthday here, you will come in huge numbers and all will take to Sahaja Yoga.

3/22/1979

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Sahaja Yoga & the Subtle System

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"Sahaja Yoga & the Subtle System" (Hindi). Mumbai, Maharashtra (India). 22 March 1979. [English translation from Hindi] There was some misunderstanding, some other people had booked this hall and they were saying that they will not vacate it before 8 o'clock. However, in Sahaja Yoga, it happens many times. I told you yesterday that you are a beautiful creation of nature. God Almighty has created you with great love, effort, and compassion. You a very special being who has been transformed into human form after taking countless births in different forms. You do not understand its importance because you have got it very easily. You would have realized its importance if you had put in lots of effort and worked very hard to get it. Then you must have been aware of the fact that you are such a special person.Humans must understand as to why God has created them after going through a lot of labour Why did you come to this world? What is your future? What is its meaning? As I told you yesterday if we make this machine and never use it, there is no point in making it. Also, you cannot use it, until it is connected to the mains. Likewise, till the time you are connected to your creator, you cannot know about him. Many saints and yogis have described him and a lot is mentioned in many books. You must have heard about the all-pervading power of God almighty who takes care of every task and controlling the movement of every small thing. Till the time you are connected to your spirit-the the 'ATMA', you cannot know about the God Almighty-The The' PARAMATMA' It is something you have heard several times but still cannot understand till you are connected. As I told you yesterday also that you cannot know about God-PARAMATMA without knowing-the ATMA. It is similar to a situation where you want to use your landline phone without plugging it to its connection. Whatever you have been doing till now in the name of religion was done like this only in blind faith. You will understand it once you are not connected to God. This question will remain with us till the time we are not connected to the God Almighty. what we are; what all arrangements have been done by God in us? And due to which machine & instrumentation we are going to achieve it. I want to tell you about all this. It is a very complicated subject. It should be discussed with you after you get your self-realization. The moment you get connected you will understand it. Suppose you are a blind person and I tell you about its structure, light arrangement, colour combination, and its beautiful environment. You will say "I don't have eyes thus how will I know about it" and it will be difficult for me to explain it to you. Just as I want to switch on the light of this room. I need to turn its switch on. Similarly, you also have such an arrangement within you created by God which is ready. When you are enlightened & awakened You understand everything easily. If before switching ON the light, I start giving you a lecture about how this light came, how is it generated, from where we got electricity, what is its history, how is it created then everything will become messed up. Modern humans have a habit of taking everything on their heads he wants to get headache first and then take anything if he gets anything easily then he asks, "I have read about kundalini it is a very difficult thing it happens in thousands of years oh it's so difficult, a man has to do this and that". Thus I can just say that maybe I am an expert at it and I know it and I have something special in me so I can do it easily and it has been done to many people. Not only this when you get your self-realization, when you become enlightened you spread the light to many very easily. Many have seen that after getting their realization that they do not put any efforts they don't do anything to grow. In Mumbai, there is some kind of inertia yesterday I told you about it. You also live in Mumbai that is why I want to tell you that it is a very very minute divine process, it is the result of your good works done in your different births.After several births you got it, you must understand that you need to progress in it and not just be stagnant when it happens then I see you are not benefited by it, it is very very beneficial, the biggest gift is that your physical ailments just vanish away it is a by-product because you are about to get enlightened by God and your Spirit is going to be enlightened by God and therefore the temple of your body should be pure even if there are any mental problems they get removed. Your wisdom is also enlightened and you become wiser. The fourth thing that you get is that you have cool vibrations coming out of your hands it is called "Saundarya Lahiri" by Adi Shankaracharya. In the Bible, it has been described as a cool breeze. When you get it, if you get, you feel something cool, the breeze coming out from your hands in form of cosmic breeze. If you consider vibration means some part of your body moving or shaking or something moving or having some seizers, then it is not right. You must understand that vibrations mean cool, very cool air, a cosmic breeze coming out (or flowing out) of your hands, which makes you cool and composed within, you feel blessed and have divine feelings. It is a reality, it is actualization, it is not a lie or some kind of brainwash. It is actualization in this if you come in it. And this thing happening to you is a very important thing for you. If it does not happen then humans will remain as it is, then & there.[he will not be able to know the real meaning of himself and will be unable to become capable. He will not be able to get that thing by which he knows his meaning and become capable. Now kundalini is in front of you all I hope you all can see this picture made here. [Someone tries to leave the room. Shri Matajitells them if someone wants to go to do something important then he must leave at once, and not disturb by going out and coming in during the lecture. Shri Mataji tells that she is giving Self-realization as she is speaking, She says" those of you want to go must leave and that you must be patient with yourself and you must take out time for yourself otherwise there is no point of coming here to get self-realization]. This kundalini is like a seed planted by God inside us and I will explain in brief about it today because realization and kundalini awakening are important but as I am speaking your kundalini will rise so keep your hands towards me like this while I'm talking. Now, this kundalini will rise which resides in you. Please remove your shoes because earthing has to happen with mother earth. Remove your socks also it is good you should touch the ground this event will happen instantly but the preparations have to be done. Sit comfortably and give some time, don't make noise, sit quietly, please sit quietly. This is kundalini and it resides in you like a sprout in your triangular bone. God has planted it in you. A lot can be told about it, but I will just say this that she is your mother who has lived with you in all your previous births. Whatever you have done so far she knows about it, It is recorded within her, you cannot deceive her. She keeps a note of your earnings, mistakes your qualities, your good deeds, and your shortcomings. in this triangular bone. She is very pious and your mother. And below it is the Chakra that you can see here, is the Chakra of Shri Ganesha. It is there to protect his mother Gauri whom we call kundalini that is why he is sitting there below her to look after her. The person who is not pure, he cannot perform the work of kundalini. Only a very pure person is authorized to perform the task of kundalini. If such a person tries to do any work of Kundalini, then he lands into great trouble why because It is an unauthorized action. You become like Ganesha when you get your realization because when you have opened your hands towards me, the cool breeze travels through the two channels and informs Ganesha that now the kundalini can rise. The kundalini is that Chaitanya, that state which she knows, loves organizes and gives you your second birth with this you become 'dvija' (born again). This is pure untouched power and no one can reach it until a person who deserves it stands before you. This power goes in when a deserving person stands in front of you than through your hands and the Kundalibi awakens, it rises on its own you don't have to put in any effort's Because it is a living process no living process needs any labour, it happens on its own, kundalini awakens or rises on its own. it just wants to know that a person who is standing in front of it is a deserving or an authorized person this goes up piercing six other chakras. Then it goes to the important Chakra that is Swadishthana Chakra though it goes to the third Chakra still kundalini goes to this third chakra because the second chakra comes out of Nabhi Chakra and rotates over it. The power is extracted from the second chakra and then the Chaitanya is on your attention on the chakra that resides in your second chakra, that is the Swadishthan Chakra. The attention is drawn from this chakra and kundalini covers itself the way my hand goes up from a cloth. You will be surprised to know that your attention lives in your stomach and not in your brain attention is in the stomach but we realize it from the brain how it happened I'll tell you about it later.At present, I will tell you only this that kundalini moves upwards taking the chitta [attention] along with it. After that the Swadishthana Chakra which is responsible for doing all our works, future planning and thinking about one thing or the other. It is responsible for converting the fat of our stomach for the brain. This chakra is responsible for our Aortic plexus. The doctors sitting here know about it. In modern days this chakra has to work harder as we keep on thinking about one thing or the other. Due to overthinking, the other tasks which this chakra has to do, also get affected and they cannot be done as they are neglected. This Chakra takes care of the upper part of the liver, pancreas, spleen, Kidney, and uterus. All these organs are taken care of, by this Chakra only. When we do overthink it results in diabetes. This chakra is responsible for thinking as well as burning the fat and taking care of the pancreas. Thus those people who think too much get diabetes. And the second disease that is also due to overthinking is a kidney problem. There may be other reasons also for kidney disease but the main reason is thinking too much. The liver also gets affected and the uterus is also found to get harmed due to overthinking. Now you will ask Me, "How to stop thinking?" Human beings are involved in thinking all the time. This thinking never stops and if it gets stopped it is something very surprising. and this is the thing that I will tell you about how are your thoughts will become quite in a few minutes. You will see inside and find that you have absolutely no thoughts. You become very quiet. It happens when the kundalini crosses your Agnya Chakra. After that Nabhi Chakra is another very important chakra responsible for our digestion process. Nabhi Chakra creates our dharma. Every human has dharma and he has the freedom to follow it or not. Just as Gold has dharma that it is pure, a scorpion has a dharma and a snake has the dharma to bite others. The lion also has a dharma. They all follow the dharma only the human being has freedom whether to abide by the law or neglect it, whether to follow evil methods or be on the right path. This freedom has only been given by God Almighty to humans only. (Someone disturbs and mother asking to sit quietly and put the attention to words mother she says I am pulling my attention towards your kundalini so please be quiet). So the dharma that has been established in us by God Almighty because if we want to go to the kingdom of God then in our freedom we must desire to get to God. If someone tries to pressurize us and says you must ask for God, then it is of no use, it is not an evaluation. That is why to reach in this state, a person has to seek the God as per his own independent sweet will and not due to any pressure, Or any disease or any hardships or any sorrow but only because of the fact and realizing that it is the only motive of our life to seek God. That is why, when we desire for this divine gift then the doors of God Almighty's divine blessings open for you and around the centre is a place of 10 primordial gurus. These are the main gurus which are the incarnation of Sri Dattatreya; they are Socrates, Moses, Mohammed Sahab, Guru Nanaka, Shirdi Sai Nath, and Zoroaster. They are all incarnation of one incarnation. There is no difference between Muhammad Sahab and Guru Nanak. When Mohammed Sahab saw that people are taking wrong interpretation of his dharma and doing everything against the dharma then, he was born again as Guru Nanaka to correct it because he wanted to bring unity among people but you know what happened during their lives. The Swadishthana Chakra is a place of Shri Brahmadeva and Saraswati is his Power. And Nabhi Chakra is a place of Shri Laxmi Narayana. There are many opposite imaginations about Sri Lakshmi Narayana. This chakra only gives us the inclination towards the dharma and due to this, we become "Dharma Parayan" i.e. the followers of dharma. The four valencies of carbon are also due to this dharma. Your evolution as a human being is also due to following the dharma and this is due to and the Vishnu Tattva. Those who call themselves as Vaishnavas, they must know their Vaishnava Dharma is not attained till the time they found their Spirit. It resides in our Nabhi Chakra. Vishnu Ji has incarnated in different forms. Shri Shiva never incarnated and Shri Brahma incarnated only once. You will be surprised to know that He incarnated as Hazrat Ali. You can check it if it is true or not with the help of your vibrations. If somebody gets a disease of diabetes,the person has to take the name of Hazrat Ali to cure it, whether you are Hindu, Muslim, or Parsi. Because his incarnation is present on this chakra and it gets cured by taking his name only. We have cured diabetes in Sahaja Yoga over almost a hundred per cent and the doctors call it as incurable as they will not ask anyone to take Hazarat Ali's name. They don't even know about these undercurrents, they only know about this is due to the process in which our plexus work, they see what is outside or gross or what is visible. They only know about it that is solid or gross. With meditation, you know about your inner being and those gurus who know about it they know that on our left, at the place of Swadishthan, we have to take the name of Hazrat Ali and Fatima. In Nabhi Chakra, at the place of Shri Lakshmi Narayana, you know he has taken 10 incarnations. Nine have already been incarnated and the 10th is about to come. On the nine incarnations, most of them are for the evolution. Earlier he came as a fish, you know earlier a creature appeared in the ocean. After that, the fish converted into a tortoise and like this, different evolutionary stages appeared. These are the evolutionary stages of evolution and are the indications of incarnations of Shri Lakshmi Narayana. All these are inside every human being. All that happened to date that entire history is present inside every human being. A man has been given the highest position because its condition is the best of all creatures. Rest all stages in human beings are of low-grade. The Bhavasagara is all around the Nabhi Chakra. Humans have evolved from here. Animals could not come out of present they have a word from here. We had Vamana Avatar, then Shri Parshurama incarnation. Then Shri Rama incarnated. Shri Rama's incarnation is located in the Right Heart Chakra. His place is not on the centre channel, the Sushumna Nadi, because he did not consider himself as an incarnation. He considered himself as a human being, that is why he is known as Maryada Purushotam. It is the place of your father or the place of your pitratava If anyone has troubled bothered or tortured his father, then this chakra gets caught. Doctors don't agree to it, that if this chakra is caught people suffer from a disease in which they cannot breathe normally, their breath moves very fast and does not get cured. People say that they suffer from it for years. It is a very simple process, If this chakra gets affected there must be due to some problem with the father. It may be fathers who don't take care of his children means their Pitratva is not all right, then also this chakra gets caught. If the father dies when his child is very young then his jeevatama bothers about him and remains around the child worrying about him, this is also the reason for a catch in the Right Heart Chakra. You all know that atma never dies. We have cured many people in Sahaja Yoga just by saying this to father's that, "Please don't worry about me, I am all right and just fine, you go and take birth somewhere else" and this disease was cured. It may be with them for so many years but it can be cured easily. One gentleman had it for 25 years and was surprised that Shri Mataji had cured him in just five minutes. If you understand its undercurrent, then this disease is not something special is not only this body, his mind, his heart, his ego, and his spirit as well. Till you understand all these together you cannot know about the reason for heart disease. On the left side of it is the organ of heart this is the place of Aatma, the spirit. It resides in your heart, it knows everything about you. but it is not in your consciousness means you have to know that someone knows about you but you may not understand it. In medical science, a human is seen from its outer appearance but doesn't see him integrated as we see and cure him. It knows everything about you but you don't control it in medical autonomous, who does digestion in your stomach swayam is Atma. This Atma controls our parasympathetic nervous system but Atma is not in our central nervous system, as soon as we get Atma in our central nervous system many of our diseases get cured as heart attack nowadays it is a very common disease but why do we have a heart attack? In our heart, there is Shiv's place meaning Atma is where Shiv resides. When a person is a workaholic, very hard working, his left side gets affected and his heart gets weak when Shiv gets angry he gets a heart attack when a person is right-sided his Pingala Nadi is very active then nature's to slow him down gets him a heart attack. When a person is a workaholic his ego increases. One person came to me, he had Parkinson, I asked him "do you believe in God?" and he replied no. I asked him who made you and the galaxy? When a person's ego rises then one gets Parkinson's disease, the reason is their Atma is weak, they shiver. Suppose you are sitting in a hall and to reduce the burden you think, "I should keep these chairs on my head." If you are going on an aeroplane and you think to reduce the burden, "I should keep a few things on my head" like that only you keep the burden on your head everything is done by God, not even a petal can move without his will. Without Self-realization you cannot understand whether this is right or not, you cannot understand God's love and his power, till the time you don't come in this kingdom as till you come and be the citizen of India, then only you can know rights of Indian citizens but God's government is the best government you just have to enter in his kingdom you can cure many people, you can give realization to many people you can enjoy bliss as long as you wish and your work gets blessed by all angels like Hanumana, Ganesha and Bharavnath and you get help from them. All your works become very easy. If you talk to Sahaj Yogis, you will be amazed a person who was not able to earn even a rupee is earning a lot, but there is no extreme in Sahaj yoga because with extreme there are problems. An extremely intelligent person will not get realization, if a person is an extreme Shrimant, he will not get realization and if someone is extreme Rajkarani he too will not get realization because extreme is problematic. After all, in extreme, you enter into your nadis on both sides Ida and Pingala, your parasympathetic nervous system and if you further go into extreme you go beyond them also. Because it is your Kundalini which is in the middle, it becomes a bridge through which you rise upwards in your Sushumna Nadi. You have to be in the middle, the humans have to be in the middle and follow the middle path. Because when you go into extreme you always regret it. You will be frustrated and you will be sad, even go mad. There is no need to go to the extreme of anything if you are in the middle then it is very easy to get self-realization but if you are very successful then I salute you because you are successful in this and not that. The central part of the heart chakra is very important. It is the place of JAGDAMBA. When Jagdamba is weak our heart starts palpitating. We become insecure. When women have insecurity then they have breast cancer whatever extreme we do from that only one gets cancer. when a human being remains in middle he will not get cancer to decrease both Nadis Ida and Pingla are sympathetic nervous systems overactive in them only we get cancer decease. When one is in middle and leaves everything on God and works he will not get cancer. Only Sahaj yoga can cure cancer. It cannot be cured by anything else because with Sahaj yoga only you can Atma and your parasympathetic nervous system which in the centre helps both left and right. In middle, there is a chakra and within that, there is a deity when we overuse the chakras the deity leaves the place and then the person becomes arbitrary. I am on my own when he becomes arbitrary he is separated from almighty he takes on his on then only one gets Cancer disease If you can awaken the deity in that chakra then the situation can be established then he can be cured. Today only one person came who had cancer his one side was. because doctors have only one thing cut the organ cut nose eyes this is not the way to get cure cancer he came today only in one day only he was cold now you will say mother how is it possible it is very simple because they don't know the machinery without knowledge about machinery event do anything from outside one will only spoil even further if the doctor had been told to understand machinery know about the machinery then they will say give me the list of people whom you have cared now am I supposed to make a list. Whoever comes near Ganga it's fine it is the love I am not sitting here to make money but people who are there to make money will never understand nor they can even understand that Chaitanya is flowing divine Love is flowing in this way only there is joy. When Chaitanya flows it implements.Entire nature is working on God's compassion and mercy we all have committed mistakes many so many mistakes that we all should be thankful to God for his Grace hi we should be thankful to God for giving us how many people are there who have time for god there are very few people who believe in God and think about him when chakras are affected then humans get deceases the biggest decease in this is breast cancer. All those for men who have insecurity even in life if this field the husband is on a wrong path nowadays you cannot say anything to men and women are also on the same path I have already said purity is most important the person who is not seen pure cannot do anything in this world all of that a person is is achievements are overshadowed by the bad deeds in the memory of masses in all literature written about that person they are showered as on evil person never in history such person will be popular with people.The chakra above this one is also very important the awakening of this chakra comes when new humans evolved to stand up stand straight humans action stage this is Virata chakra. The word signifies the knowledge humans gained with evolution mentioned are only a small part of Virata the ceremonial being the Realization, that Virata reservation that they are just a sack of meat within Virata, just a drop in the ocean. Does human begin to give thought to the supreme being Shri Krishna in whom they have to ultimately merge with when you're one with the ocean? when the drop and ocean are one again at that time the individual realizes that there is no individuality at all there is no that there is only collective consciousness and one is the supreme being and the powers of the ocean and the power of the drop collective consciousness. it is not that I give a lecture to you people that you are brothers and sisters but you become brothers and sisters if I cure you then what because you are part and parcel of me suppose my finger gets hurt and I try to cure it then I am not doing any favour to you, I am just curing my finger. When people do work for charity and associated with God then they do not get philosophical self-realization people their kundalini cannot be awakened because they are not there because they're in a missed it is ok if you want to help poor you are doing this because there are in a mist it is ok if you want to help poor you are doing this because there is something inside you which is crying part which is feeling food or challenging you from inside if you are fat and helping a patient then there is even in times of something which is pulling you and you are helping the patient when people say we are very charitable it is being egoistic people who think I am doing this for my happiness And this is giving and happiness that's the reason I am doing it those people gets awaken very quickly. one should not associate this one with God it is your thing you have sympathy for that its the reason you do it. People make a mission for this and associate it with God.God's relationship is with Atma only. People who are doing god's work should understand that God works only to connect humans with God help people connect with Atma and help in connection with Parmatma this is the only work you should do and for God's name. Collecting things like blanket clothes and distributing them is not God's word this is all material work and is not associated with God in Ashok chakra there are 16000 veins think how important it is your 16000 Nadi work with the chakra when one smokes then you spoil this chakra.why do you people trouble yourself and inviting problems and paying for it. You do not have any idea of devastating effects of smoking smoking causes Cancer only cancer can be dealt with but excessive smoking virtually and your chances of privileged access smoking happens with the functioning of this chakra and surprising the everything is forgiven inside yoga even if you are a chain smoker you can achieve the ultimate goal of self-realization one such men at achieve this the moment he did a lot of smoking was realize from his body and he send a strange sent whenever he would try smoking he would encounter the the same sent until the point he quit smoking humans only used in toxic weather at 20 drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes only used by humans as a way to escape their own reality and avoiding introspection want you realise that your own inner beauty you are not tempted bye there vices you become content with yourself and you quit them yourself this is the reason there are little to no medication in sahaja yoga you will be surprised to learn that through this method 300 edits rehabilitated without medication does it differ in the people in India are blessed to higher degree give for their actions in previous lives your previous lives determine the circumstances of your current life which is also the reason you are religious. Though Indians are not flawless a major problem is that Indians don't realize that things that you can acquire easily may be just as important or perhaps even more than things that require more effort you will be astonished to learn that in the Sahaja yoga program in London attract so many people that holes are always full. These people follow the program religiously having red in men's mount of literature including the Devi Mahatamya, Adi Shankaracharya's manual. They took visa to accompany me and oversee the functioning of sahajyoga to an extent that 1520 of them have come here spending their own money I have celebrated my birthday in London for 9 years even the my followers in Delhi outnumber those in London but our focus is on Mumbai today people in Mumbai seem to be lagging behind perhaps it is because they are too fascinated by Western culture it is easy to join and it is sting inside job and doing service is what tough the realisation comes easily to Indians whereas for a foreigner it may take up to 8 days however when the foreigner achieves this feat they do not let themselves reach the same level at which they were earlier district around and devote time and effort to sahaja yoga but since Indians achieved this almost effortlessly they do not comprehend its value, therefore it is my request that after achieving realisation please do remain connected to Sahaja Yoga. We frequently conduct program so even after receiving the previously mentioned realisation please do attend those programs people somehow only value extravagant events and not attend a simple stick even historically people have ventured into forest to gain what you are getting staying at home do respect that using this repeatedly is not a good thing if you lose his divine attribute you would end up confusing God himself as to whether he should place you in heaven or hell therefore. It is my request that you read our literature and attend sessions at the Sahaja Yoga centre, that's all for Vishuddhi Chakra. Next one we have is located where are optic chiasma intersects. It controls putiary and pineal glands, as well as our eyes. If the functioning of this chakra [unclear] or one could have anger issues, become egoistical. When the back side of this chakra becomes [unclear], one get infected by superego, in which in such a scenario one becomes extremely lethargic. That persons willingness to work vanishes where as when front side of the same chakra becomes for the then one becomes over ambitious starch displaying narcissistic traits in this manner the balance is broken this chakra is embodiment of lord Ganesha who is Jesus the description of maha Vishnu in 'Devi Mahatyam' [Bhagawatam] similar to that Jesus Christ. If you dive deep into the text you would realise that this correlation when kundalini passes through this chakra one becomes thoughtless if you concentrate then you will have no thoughts for majority of people when they said in silence and they would be thoughtless yet aware of this this is called "Nirvichara Samadhi" it is also the first stage when this stage is achieved then you will be surprised that you can awaken anybody's kundalini. Still, you are not Realized no vibrations are coming from you people. But when you can achieve the thoughtless awareness then only you can cure diseases and awaken the kundalini somewhat but you can't give realization when kundalini process Sahasrara thousands of veins are crossing in MediaTek terminology it is called area merges with extremely Chinese movie Power at that time one gets collective connections one can feel the vibrations of heart on hands and place of Sadashiva's head please in heart. Also, as soon as there is light on Sahasrara, then the Spirit get enlightened. One can control parasympathetic nervous system one gets cool vibration on hands as well as on Sahasrara. This chakra is most important till that time one is not self realised now you can say mother why can't we be realised I will only say your this is not working properly and that can be corrected one does not have to think about one's mistakes all this is vanished once since and virtuous these are our result of ego and superego when ego and superego vanishes one becomes a new personality one becomes what we call as Atma. One start seeing things from Atma till the time one is in water tell the time one one is afraid to brown boat he starts watching waterfall the time one achieves the thoughtless awareness state and still there one should do yoga regularly on the first day kundalini rises very high because it knows me season her happiness to meet me prices hai but then starts correcting your diseases so to achieve thoughtless stage one should regularly practice as when she disseminated then one needs to take care of it till it becomes plant there are many people in Mumbai who have achieved awareness same way you should also give it. Now I want to see how many people have a cool breeze in their hand's mother is instructing not to get up in between she says many people are fascinated with lectures they will listen to lectures and go out they used to have a fascination for darshan just to see Srimati and bow in front of her. some of them will say lecture was very nice what is this you should get Self-realization. There is no need for a lecture but without electric, you will not sit. [Shri Mataji is instructing to close eyes. She says, "One should close eyes if eyelids are not flickering we are the ones who have to give the certificate to ourselves this can be achieved". If it has to happen with debate, then only it will not happen. Even if you want to give it to your daughter, it won't happen we want anybody to get it won't happen. Just relax and close your eyes. If eyelids are flickering then open them otherwise close your eyes. Even if your body is shaking still close your eyes do not do anything show off like breathing faster etc ... If you want to do any drama, then go to your place. Here silently get your Realization and don't spoil your time in any stupid things. Close your eyes this is very important thing get it seriously please put your hands towards me and close your eyes. Mother gives the Realization to all those people present there.]

"Sahaja Yoga & the Subtle System" (Hindi). Mumbai, Maharashtra (India). 22 March 1979. [English translation from Hindi] There was some misunderstanding, some other people had booked this hall and they were saying that they will not vacate it before 8 o'clock. However, in Sahaja Yoga, it happens many times. I told you yesterday that you are a beautiful creation of nature. God Almighty has created you with great love, effort, and compassion. You a very special being who has been transformed into human form after taking countless births in different forms. You do not understand its importance because you have got it very easily. You would have realized its importance if you had put in lots of effort and worked very hard to get it. Then you must have been aware of the fact that you are such a special person.Humans must understand as to why God has created them after going through a lot of labour Why did you come to this world? What is your future? What is its meaning? As I told you yesterday if we make this machine and never use it, there is no point in making it. Also, you cannot use it, until it is connected to the mains. Likewise, till the time you are connected to your creator, you cannot know about him. Many saints and yogis have described him and a lot is mentioned in many books. You must have heard about the all-pervading power of God almighty who takes care of every task and controlling the movement of every small thing. Till the time you are connected to your spirit-the the 'ATMA', you cannot know about the God Almighty-The The' PARAMATMA' It is something you have heard several times but still cannot understand till you are connected. As I told you yesterday also that you cannot know about God-PARAMATMA without knowing-the ATMA. It is similar to a situation where you want to use your landline phone without plugging it to its connection. Whatever you have been doing till now in the name of religion was done like this only in blind faith. You will understand it once you are not connected to God. This question will remain with us till the time we are not connected to the God Almighty. what we are; what all arrangements have been done by God in us? And due to which machine & instrumentation we are going to achieve it. I want to tell you about all this. It is a very complicated subject. It should be discussed with you after you get your self-realization. The moment you get connected you will understand it. Suppose you are a blind person and I tell you about its structure, light arrangement, colour combination, and its beautiful environment. You will say "I don't have eyes thus how will I know about it" and it will be difficult for me to explain it to you. Just as I want to switch on the light of this room. I need to turn its switch on. Similarly, you also have such an arrangement within you created by God which is ready. When you are enlightened & awakened You understand everything easily. If before switching ON the light, I start giving you a lecture about how this light came, how is it generated, from where we got electricity, what is its history, how is it created then everything will become messed up. Modern humans have a habit of taking everything on their heads he wants to get headache first and then take anything if he gets anything easily then he asks, "I have read about kundalini it is a very difficult thing it happens in thousands of years oh it's so difficult, a man has to do this and that". Thus I can just say that maybe I am an expert at it and I know it and I have something special in me so I can do it easily and it has been done to many people. Not only this when you get your self-realization, when you become enlightened you spread the light to many very easily. Many have seen that after getting their realization that they do not put any efforts they don't do anything to grow. In Mumbai, there is some kind of inertia yesterday I told you about it. You also live in Mumbai that is why I want to tell you that it is a very very minute divine process, it is the result of your good works done in your different births.After several births you got it, you must understand that you need to progress in it and not just be stagnant when it happens then I see you are not benefited by it, it is very very beneficial, the biggest gift is that your physical ailments just vanish away it is a by-product because you are about to get enlightened by God and your Spirit is going to be enlightened by God and therefore the temple of your body should be pure even if there are any mental problems they get removed. Your wisdom is also enlightened and you become wiser. The fourth thing that you get is that you have cool vibrations coming out of your hands it is called "Saundarya Lahiri" by Adi Shankaracharya. In the Bible, it has been described as a cool breeze. When you get it, if you get, you feel something cool, the breeze coming out from your hands in form of cosmic breeze. If you consider vibration means some part of your body moving or shaking or something moving or having some seizers, then it is not right. You must understand that vibrations mean cool, very cool air, a cosmic breeze coming out (or flowing out) of your hands, which makes you cool and composed within, you feel blessed and have divine feelings. It is a reality, it is actualization, it is not a lie or some kind of brainwash. It is actualization in this if you come in it. And this thing happening to you is a very important thing for you. If it does not happen then humans will remain as it is, then & there.[he will not be able to know the real meaning of himself and will be unable to become capable. He will not be able to get that thing by which he knows his meaning and become capable. Now kundalini is in front of you all I hope you all can see this picture made here. [Someone tries to leave the room. Shri Matajitells them if someone wants to go to do something important then he must leave at once, and not disturb by going out and coming in during the lecture. Shri Mataji tells that she is giving Self-realization as she is speaking, She says" those of you want to go must leave and that you must be patient with yourself and you must take out time for yourself otherwise there is no point of coming here to get self-realization]. This kundalini is like a seed planted by God inside us and I will explain in brief about it today because realization and kundalini awakening are important but as I am speaking your kundalini will rise so keep your hands towards me like this while I'm talking. Now, this kundalini will rise which resides in you. Please remove your shoes because earthing has to happen with mother earth. Remove your socks also it is good you should touch the ground this event will happen instantly but the preparations have to be done. Sit comfortably and give some time, don't make noise, sit quietly, please sit quietly. This is kundalini and it resides in you like a sprout in your triangular bone. God has planted it in you. A lot can be told about it, but I will just say this that she is your mother who has lived with you in all your previous births. Whatever you have done so far she knows about it, It is recorded within her, you cannot deceive her. She keeps a note of your earnings, mistakes your qualities, your good deeds, and your shortcomings. in this triangular bone. She is very pious and your mother. And below it is the Chakra that you can see here, is the Chakra of Shri Ganesha. It is there to protect his mother Gauri whom we call kundalini that is why he is sitting there below her to look after her. The person who is not pure, he cannot perform the work of kundalini. Only a very pure person is authorized to perform the task of kundalini. If such a person tries to do any work of Kundalini, then he lands into great trouble why because It is an unauthorized action. You become like Ganesha when you get your realization because when you have opened your hands towards me, the cool breeze travels through the two channels and informs Ganesha that now the kundalini can rise. The kundalini is that Chaitanya, that state which she knows, loves organizes and gives you your second birth with this you become 'dvija' (born again). This is pure untouched power and no one can reach it until a person who deserves it stands before you. This power goes in when a deserving person stands in front of you than through your hands and the Kundalibi awakens, it rises on its own you don't have to put in any effort's Because it is a living process no living process needs any labour, it happens on its own, kundalini awakens or rises on its own. it just wants to know that a person who is standing in front of it is a deserving or an authorized person this goes up piercing six other chakras. Then it goes to the important Chakra that is Swadishthana Chakra though it goes to the third Chakra still kundalini goes to this third chakra because the second chakra comes out of Nabhi Chakra and rotates over it. The power is extracted from the second chakra and then the Chaitanya is on your attention on the chakra that resides in your second chakra, that is the Swadishthan Chakra. The attention is drawn from this chakra and kundalini covers itself the way my hand goes up from a cloth. You will be surprised to know that your attention lives in your stomach and not in your brain attention is in the stomach but we realize it from the brain how it happened I'll tell you about it later.At present, I will tell you only this that kundalini moves upwards taking the chitta [attention] along with it. After that the Swadishthana Chakra which is responsible for doing all our works, future planning and thinking about one thing or the other. It is responsible for converting the fat of our stomach for the brain. This chakra is responsible for our Aortic plexus. The doctors sitting here know about it. In modern days this chakra has to work harder as we keep on thinking about one thing or the other. Due to overthinking, the other tasks which this chakra has to do, also get affected and they cannot be done as they are neglected. This Chakra takes care of the upper part of the liver, pancreas, spleen, Kidney, and uterus. All these organs are taken care of, by this Chakra only. When we do overthink it results in diabetes. This chakra is responsible for thinking as well as burning the fat and taking care of the pancreas. Thus those people who think too much get diabetes. And the second disease that is also due to overthinking is a kidney problem. There may be other reasons also for kidney disease but the main reason is thinking too much. The liver also gets affected and the uterus is also found to get harmed due to overthinking. Now you will ask Me, "How to stop thinking?" Human beings are involved in thinking all the time. This thinking never stops and if it gets stopped it is something very surprising. and this is the thing that I will tell you about how are your thoughts will become quite in a few minutes. You will see inside and find that you have absolutely no thoughts. You become very quiet. It happens when the kundalini crosses your Agnya Chakra. After that Nabhi Chakra is another very important chakra responsible for our digestion process. Nabhi Chakra creates our dharma. Every human has dharma and he has the freedom to follow it or not. Just as Gold has dharma that it is pure, a scorpion has a dharma and a snake has the dharma to bite others. The lion also has a dharma. They all follow the dharma only the human being has freedom whether to abide by the law or neglect it, whether to follow evil methods or be on the right path. This freedom has only been given by God Almighty to humans only. (Someone disturbs and mother asking to sit quietly and put the attention to words mother she says I am pulling my attention towards your kundalini so please be quiet). So the dharma that has been established in us by God Almighty because if we want to go to the kingdom of God then in our freedom we must desire to get to God. If someone tries to pressurize us and says you must ask for God, then it is of no use, it is not an evaluation. That is why to reach in this state, a person has to seek the God as per his own independent sweet will and not due to any pressure, Or any disease or any hardships or any sorrow but only because of the fact and realizing that it is the only motive of our life to seek God. That is why, when we desire for this divine gift then the doors of God Almighty's divine blessings open for you and around the centre is a place of 10 primordial gurus. These are the main gurus which are the incarnation of Sri Dattatreya; they are Socrates, Moses, Mohammed Sahab, Guru Nanaka, Shirdi Sai Nath, and Zoroaster. They are all incarnation of one incarnation. There is no difference between Muhammad Sahab and Guru Nanak. When Mohammed Sahab saw that people are taking wrong interpretation of his dharma and doing everything against the dharma then, he was born again as Guru Nanaka to correct it because he wanted to bring unity among people but you know what happened during their lives. The Swadishthana Chakra is a place of Shri Brahmadeva and Saraswati is his Power. And Nabhi Chakra is a place of Shri Laxmi Narayana. There are many opposite imaginations about Sri Lakshmi Narayana. This chakra only gives us the inclination towards the dharma and due to this, we become "Dharma Parayan" i.e. the followers of dharma. The four valencies of carbon are also due to this dharma. Your evolution as a human being is also due to following the dharma and this is due to and the Vishnu Tattva. Those who call themselves as Vaishnavas, they must know their Vaishnava Dharma is not attained till the time they found their Spirit. It resides in our Nabhi Chakra. Vishnu Ji has incarnated in different forms. Shri Shiva never incarnated and Shri Brahma incarnated only once. You will be surprised to know that He incarnated as Hazrat Ali. You can check it if it is true or not with the help of your vibrations. If somebody gets a disease of diabetes,the person has to take the name of Hazrat Ali to cure it, whether you are Hindu, Muslim, or Parsi. Because his incarnation is present on this chakra and it gets cured by taking his name only. We have cured diabetes in Sahaja Yoga over almost a hundred per cent and the doctors call it as incurable as they will not ask anyone to take Hazarat Ali's name. They don't even know about these undercurrents, they only know about this is due to the process in which our plexus work, they see what is outside or gross or what is visible. They only know about it that is solid or gross. With meditation, you know about your inner being and those gurus who know about it they know that on our left, at the place of Swadishthan, we have to take the name of Hazrat Ali and Fatima. In Nabhi Chakra, at the place of Shri Lakshmi Narayana, you know he has taken 10 incarnations. Nine have already been incarnated and the 10th is about to come. On the nine incarnations, most of them are for the evolution. Earlier he came as a fish, you know earlier a creature appeared in the ocean. After that, the fish converted into a tortoise and like this, different evolutionary stages appeared. These are the evolutionary stages of evolution and are the indications of incarnations of Shri Lakshmi Narayana. All these are inside every human being. All that happened to date that entire history is present inside every human being. A man has been given the highest position because its condition is the best of all creatures. Rest all stages in human beings are of low-grade. The Bhavasagara is all around the Nabhi Chakra. Humans have evolved from here. Animals could not come out of present they have a word from here. We had Vamana Avatar, then Shri Parshurama incarnation. Then Shri Rama incarnated. Shri Rama's incarnation is located in the Right Heart Chakra. His place is not on the centre channel, the Sushumna Nadi, because he did not consider himself as an incarnation. He considered himself as a human being, that is why he is known as Maryada Purushotam. It is the place of your father or the place of your pitratava If anyone has troubled bothered or tortured his father, then this chakra gets caught. Doctors don't agree to it, that if this chakra is caught people suffer from a disease in which they cannot breathe normally, their breath moves very fast and does not get cured. People say that they suffer from it for years. It is a very simple process, If this chakra gets affected there must be due to some problem with the father. It may be fathers who don't take care of his children means their Pitratva is not all right, then also this chakra gets caught. If the father dies when his child is very young then his jeevatama bothers about him and remains around the child worrying about him, this is also the reason for a catch in the Right Heart Chakra. You all know that atma never dies. We have cured many people in Sahaja Yoga just by saying this to father's that, "Please don't worry about me, I am all right and just fine, you go and take birth somewhere else" and this disease was cured. It may be with them for so many years but it can be cured easily. One gentleman had it for 25 years and was surprised that Shri Mataji had cured him in just five minutes. If you understand its undercurrent, then this disease is not something special is not only this body, his mind, his heart, his ego, and his spirit as well. Till you understand all these together you cannot know about the reason for heart disease. On the left side of it is the organ of heart this is the place of Aatma, the spirit. It resides in your heart, it knows everything about you. but it is not in your consciousness means you have to know that someone knows about you but you may not understand it. In medical science, a human is seen from its outer appearance but doesn't see him integrated as we see and cure him. It knows everything about you but you don't control it in medical autonomous, who does digestion in your stomach swayam is Atma. This Atma controls our parasympathetic nervous system but Atma is not in our central nervous system, as soon as we get Atma in our central nervous system many of our diseases get cured as heart attack nowadays it is a very common disease but why do we have a heart attack? In our heart, there is Shiv's place meaning Atma is where Shiv resides. When a person is a workaholic, very hard working, his left side gets affected and his heart gets weak when Shiv gets angry he gets a heart attack when a person is right-sided his Pingala Nadi is very active then nature's to slow him down gets him a heart attack. When a person is a workaholic his ego increases. One person came to me, he had Parkinson, I asked him "do you believe in God?" and he replied no. I asked him who made you and the galaxy? When a person's ego rises then one gets Parkinson's disease, the reason is their Atma is weak, they shiver. Suppose you are sitting in a hall and to reduce the burden you think, "I should keep these chairs on my head." If you are going on an aeroplane and you think to reduce the burden, "I should keep a few things on my head" like that only you keep the burden on your head everything is done by God, not even a petal can move without his will. Without Self-realization you cannot understand whether this is right or not, you cannot understand God's love and his power, till the time you don't come in this kingdom as till you come and be the citizen of India, then only you can know rights of Indian citizens but God's government is the best government you just have to enter in his kingdom you can cure many people, you can give realization to many people you can enjoy bliss as long as you wish and your work gets blessed by all angels like Hanumana, Ganesha and Bharavnath and you get help from them. All your works become very easy. If you talk to Sahaj Yogis, you will be amazed a person who was not able to earn even a rupee is earning a lot, but there is no extreme in Sahaj yoga because with extreme there are problems. An extremely intelligent person will not get realization, if a person is an extreme Shrimant, he will not get realization and if someone is extreme Rajkarani he too will not get realization because extreme is problematic. After all, in extreme, you enter into your nadis on both sides Ida and Pingala, your parasympathetic nervous system and if you further go into extreme you go beyond them also. Because it is your Kundalini which is in the middle, it becomes a bridge through which you rise upwards in your Sushumna Nadi. You have to be in the middle, the humans have to be in the middle and follow the middle path. Because when you go into extreme you always regret it. You will be frustrated and you will be sad, even go mad. There is no need to go to the extreme of anything if you are in the middle then it is very easy to get self-realization but if you are very successful then I salute you because you are successful in this and not that. The central part of the heart chakra is very important. It is the place of JAGDAMBA. When Jagdamba is weak our heart starts palpitating. We become insecure. When women have insecurity then they have breast cancer whatever extreme we do from that only one gets cancer. when a human being remains in middle he will not get cancer to decrease both Nadis Ida and Pingla are sympathetic nervous systems overactive in them only we get cancer decease. When one is in middle and leaves everything on God and works he will not get cancer. Only Sahaj yoga can cure cancer. It cannot be cured by anything else because with Sahaj yoga only you can Atma and your parasympathetic nervous system which in the centre helps both left and right. In middle, there is a chakra and within that, there is a deity when we overuse the chakras the deity leaves the place and then the person becomes arbitrary. I am on my own when he becomes arbitrary he is separated from almighty he takes on his on then only one gets Cancer disease If you can awaken the deity in that chakra then the situation can be established then he can be cured. Today only one person came who had cancer his one side was. because doctors have only one thing cut the organ cut nose eyes this is not the way to get cure cancer he came today only in one day only he was cold now you will say mother how is it possible it is very simple because they don't know the machinery without knowledge about machinery event do anything from outside one will only spoil even further if the doctor had been told to understand machinery know about the machinery then they will say give me the list of people whom you have cared now am I supposed to make a list. Whoever comes near Ganga it's fine it is the love I am not sitting here to make money but people who are there to make money will never understand nor they can even understand that Chaitanya is flowing divine Love is flowing in this way only there is joy. When Chaitanya flows it implements.Entire nature is working on God's compassion and mercy we all have committed mistakes many so many mistakes that we all should be thankful to God for his Grace hi we should be thankful to God for giving us how many people are there who have time for god there are very few people who believe in God and think about him when chakras are affected then humans get deceases the biggest decease in this is breast cancer. All those for men who have insecurity even in life if this field the husband is on a wrong path nowadays you cannot say anything to men and women are also on the same path I have already said purity is most important the person who is not seen pure cannot do anything in this world all of that a person is is achievements are overshadowed by the bad deeds in the memory of masses in all literature written about that person they are showered as on evil person never in history such person will be popular with people.The chakra above this one is also very important the awakening of this chakra comes when new humans evolved to stand up stand straight humans action stage this is Virata chakra. The word signifies the knowledge humans gained with evolution mentioned are only a small part of Virata the ceremonial being the Realization, that Virata reservation that they are just a sack of meat within Virata, just a drop in the ocean. Does human begin to give thought to the supreme being Shri Krishna in whom they have to ultimately merge with when you're one with the ocean? when the drop and ocean are one again at that time the individual realizes that there is no individuality at all there is no that there is only collective consciousness and one is the supreme being and the powers of the ocean and the power of the drop collective consciousness. it is not that I give a lecture to you people that you are brothers and sisters but you become brothers and sisters if I cure you then what because you are part and parcel of me suppose my finger gets hurt and I try to cure it then I am not doing any favour to you, I am just curing my finger. When people do work for charity and associated with God then they do not get philosophical self-realization people their kundalini cannot be awakened because they are not there because they're in a missed it is ok if you want to help poor you are doing this because there are in a mist it is ok if you want to help poor you are doing this because there is something inside you which is crying part which is feeling food or challenging you from inside if you are fat and helping a patient then there is even in times of something which is pulling you and you are helping the patient when people say we are very charitable it is being egoistic people who think I am doing this for my happiness And this is giving and happiness that's the reason I am doing it those people gets awaken very quickly. one should not associate this one with God it is your thing you have sympathy for that its the reason you do it. People make a mission for this and associate it with God.God's relationship is with Atma only. People who are doing god's work should understand that God works only to connect humans with God help people connect with Atma and help in connection with Parmatma this is the only work you should do and for God's name. Collecting things like blanket clothes and distributing them is not God's word this is all material work and is not associated with God in Ashok chakra there are 16000 veins think how important it is your 16000 Nadi work with the chakra when one smokes then you spoil this chakra.why do you people trouble yourself and inviting problems and paying for it. You do not have any idea of devastating effects of smoking smoking causes Cancer only cancer can be dealt with but excessive smoking virtually and your chances of privileged access smoking happens with the functioning of this chakra and surprising the everything is forgiven inside yoga even if you are a chain smoker you can achieve the ultimate goal of self-realization one such men at achieve this the moment he did a lot of smoking was realize from his body and he send a strange sent whenever he would try smoking he would encounter the the same sent until the point he quit smoking humans only used in toxic weather at 20 drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes only used by humans as a way to escape their own reality and avoiding introspection want you realise that your own inner beauty you are not tempted bye there vices you become content with yourself and you quit them yourself this is the reason there are little to no medication in sahaja yoga you will be surprised to learn that through this method 300 edits rehabilitated without medication does it differ in the people in India are blessed to higher degree give for their actions in previous lives your previous lives determine the circumstances of your current life which is also the reason you are religious. Though Indians are not flawless a major problem is that Indians don't realize that things that you can acquire easily may be just as important or perhaps even more than things that require more effort you will be astonished to learn that in the Sahaja yoga program in London attract so many people that holes are always full. These people follow the program religiously having red in men's mount of literature including the Devi Mahatamya, Adi Shankaracharya's manual. They took visa to accompany me and oversee the functioning of sahajyoga to an extent that 1520 of them have come here spending their own money I have celebrated my birthday in London for 9 years even the my followers in Delhi outnumber those in London but our focus is on Mumbai today people in Mumbai seem to be lagging behind perhaps it is because they are too fascinated by Western culture it is easy to join and it is sting inside job and doing service is what tough the realisation comes easily to Indians whereas for a foreigner it may take up to 8 days however when the foreigner achieves this feat they do not let themselves reach the same level at which they were earlier district around and devote time and effort to sahaja yoga but since Indians achieved this almost effortlessly they do not comprehend its value, therefore it is my request that after achieving realisation please do remain connected to Sahaja Yoga. We frequently conduct program so even after receiving the previously mentioned realisation please do attend those programs people somehow only value extravagant events and not attend a simple stick even historically people have ventured into forest to gain what you are getting staying at home do respect that using this repeatedly is not a good thing if you lose his divine attribute you would end up confusing God himself as to whether he should place you in heaven or hell therefore. It is my request that you read our literature and attend sessions at the Sahaja Yoga centre, that's all for Vishuddhi Chakra. Next one we have is located where are optic chiasma intersects. It controls putiary and pineal glands, as well as our eyes. If the functioning of this chakra [unclear] or one could have anger issues, become egoistical. When the back side of this chakra becomes [unclear], one get infected by superego, in which in such a scenario one becomes extremely lethargic. That persons willingness to work vanishes where as when front side of the same chakra becomes for the then one becomes over ambitious starch displaying narcissistic traits in this manner the balance is broken this chakra is embodiment of lord Ganesha who is Jesus the description of maha Vishnu in 'Devi Mahatyam' [Bhagawatam] similar to that Jesus Christ. If you dive deep into the text you would realise that this correlation when kundalini passes through this chakra one becomes thoughtless if you concentrate then you will have no thoughts for majority of people when they said in silence and they would be thoughtless yet aware of this this is called "Nirvichara Samadhi" it is also the first stage when this stage is achieved then you will be surprised that you can awaken anybody's kundalini. Still, you are not Realized no vibrations are coming from you people. But when you can achieve the thoughtless awareness then only you can cure diseases and awaken the kundalini somewhat but you can't give realization when kundalini process Sahasrara thousands of veins are crossing in MediaTek terminology it is called area merges with extremely Chinese movie Power at that time one gets collective connections one can feel the vibrations of heart on hands and place of Sadashiva's head please in heart. Also, as soon as there is light on Sahasrara, then the Spirit get enlightened. One can control parasympathetic nervous system one gets cool vibration on hands as well as on Sahasrara. This chakra is most important till that time one is not self realised now you can say mother why can't we be realised I will only say your this is not working properly and that can be corrected one does not have to think about one's mistakes all this is vanished once since and virtuous these are our result of ego and superego when ego and superego vanishes one becomes a new personality one becomes what we call as Atma. One start seeing things from Atma till the time one is in water tell the time one one is afraid to brown boat he starts watching waterfall the time one achieves the thoughtless awareness state and still there one should do yoga regularly on the first day kundalini rises very high because it knows me season her happiness to meet me prices hai but then starts correcting your diseases so to achieve thoughtless stage one should regularly practice as when she disseminated then one needs to take care of it till it becomes plant there are many people in Mumbai who have achieved awareness same way you should also give it. Now I want to see how many people have a cool breeze in their hand's mother is instructing not to get up in between she says many people are fascinated with lectures they will listen to lectures and go out they used to have a fascination for darshan just to see Srimati and bow in front of her. some of them will say lecture was very nice what is this you should get Self-realization. There is no need for a lecture but without electric, you will not sit. [Shri Mataji is instructing to close eyes. She says, "One should close eyes if eyelids are not flickering we are the ones who have to give the certificate to ourselves this can be achieved". If it has to happen with debate, then only it will not happen. Even if you want to give it to your daughter, it won't happen we want anybody to get it won't happen. Just relax and close your eyes. If eyelids are flickering then open them otherwise close your eyes. Even if your body is shaking still close your eyes do not do anything show off like breathing faster etc ... If you want to do any drama, then go to your place. Here silently get your Realization and don't spoil your time in any stupid things. Close your eyes this is very important thing get it seriously please put your hands towards me and close your eyes. Mother gives the Realization to all those people present there.]

3/22/1979

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Advice at Bordi Shibir (English part). Bordi, Maharashtra, India. 22 March 1979. You develop a hypertension, you become very agitated, you start dancing and doing all kinds of things. These things can happen - that you may start dancing, jumping, shouting, doing all kinds of things, getting into licentiousness, permissiveness. Because that’s how you are let loose. The control on your being of the wisdom is lost, and then you just get into it. And you don’t feel the pinch of your conscience. The pinch of the conscience is no more. You just go arbitrary and you just shoot off. It can happen to people even without feeling this. Even without feeling this some people can get into that kind of a mood. That’s how they become alcoholic and they become all these things where they have no control. (break in recording) …eventually he was absolutely on [his] deathbed because he got cirrhosis of the liver and he was going to die. He had left Sahaj Yoga, he wanted to do it on his own and all that, and he just lost it, poor thing! Within three months he started showing results. And he was so badly off and I brought him home. My husband had gone abroad and when he came back he said, “What’s this? You have got a dead person in the house! They are going to prosecute us, we are all going to be in jail. He’s going to die next moment the way he is. I just can’t look at him!” He was very angry. I said, “Now where can I send him? After all, he’s so sick, it would be very inhuman to send him anywhere out.” He said, “All right, tomorrow you arrange something and send him away.” But next day you see when my husband got up from his bed he saw this gentleman walking about. He was so surprised and aghast! He came in and he said, “The fellow is out, out of his bed! I just can’t believe my eyes.” And then within seven days he was completely cured. But then Gus told me that, “Mother, some of us are so egotistical that we have to go to that limit to know you and to come to you. It’s not possible for some people to give up their ego and to behave in this manner, so you better allow them to go to that position and then to come back.” I said, “For a Mother it is difficult. She will try to tell them again and again that, no, no, you try to get all right.” So, that’s what he told me. But this is very true. You see, what I have found with the Western people is that they are really egotistical in the sense that they, they don’t mind killing themselves. The ego is so self-destroying that they know that they are unkind to themselves but to just satisfy their ego, they’ll go on destroying themselves. And they reach such a funny point that you just can’t understand how they have been so foolish about it. Then he started respecting himself and then he went to his mother. He said, “I feel tremendous love for my mother!” Whom he had left for years. He never bothered about her. Then he went down [to Australia]. Now he’s in Australia looking after his mother and he’ll be coming back to London. I am sure he’s much better off. He writes very sweet letters. So this is what is the thing of Mr. Gus, who was the leader of all the hippies of London and who was a very clever boy, and he was a Physics professor. And so you can imagine what can happen to an egotistical person, how he can lose his complete wisdom. In Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan there were about 300 people out of which at least 275 people were Indians. And they were all suffering from some disease or other. I got such a fright and I was so angry with all of them. I said, “None of you are healthy to come to me.” Some were suffering from paralysis, some were suffering from gout and all kinds of troubles they had. And, in that lot I found Cooly sitting in front of me and he was absolutely cool, very, very cool: so much that he was like a frozen dough. And I felt him and I said, “Now this is too much!” But because of his heart catching you see. When your heart is caught up you can feel that kind of coolness because it depresses your heart more and you get that cool there. So I called him Cooly. And [Dr. Denton] Cooley is one doctor whom you might have heard about him, who is in Houston, where they are operating small children, and I had taken my grandchild there. So I met him: He looked very much like our Cooly, but he’s a very tall fellow; a very kindly person. And when I saw him I combined these two things together because he’s was so cool and also his face so much like Dr. Cooley that I called him Cooly; and that’s how [he got the name]. And then whenever he talked to me he said, “You remember Mother, I’m Cooly speaking.” So his name became Cooly forever (laughter). Now, come along. His name is Anthony Panayiotou. He is from Cyprus, very near Greece from where Alexander the Great came to us. And now comes ‘Cooly the Great’. But I must also give the other side of the picture. The other side of the picture is that though you people have one problem which I call as the sin against the Mother, also Indians have sin against the Father, which they do not know. In London you cannot imagine someone running away with your chappals (Indian sandals) from Caxton Hall. Nobody can even think of such nonsense! But here, how many of you have lost your chappals in the programme? And not only you but even yesterday, poor Mr. Pradhan lost his new shoe because where he wore it for a function like that! This kind of an absurdity is only possible in this wretched India, where you get all this kind of nonsense! That’s the point where I really cannot understand that people are so much worried and upset about their belongings, about their things and they want to grab anything that comes in their way. If they can do it without paying anything for it, they’ll be very happy. So, in this way we are really committing sins against the Father, who has said that He is going to look after the kshema (well-being) also. He looks after the kshema. And while we do not believe into it that He looks after it. We get upset for a little money spent here. We get upset for little things done there. I mean we are really, that way, very, very funny people. Though Indians are very generous no doubt but they do not mind taking away things without the knowledge of the person who is around. It’s something so funny! Of course, everybody does not do it but quite a lot of [them do]. But especially the people who are at the helm of affairs are absolute cheats sometimes and are so funny that one can’t understand why do they want to cheat? I mean, they have everything, and they have got a lot of money. But they won’t mind taking away some money away from you, taking away some money away from the other person. For no rhyme and reason they will expect you to give them money and bribes and things like that. So, this is something so surprising that in London we have taken a flat, and now you know we have taken a house. We have taken a flat from one Indian and then we took a house in London. I didn’t have to pay any black money or anything like that for taking this house and it worked out very well. But here it is not possible unless and until you give them some black money and you do all kinds of nonsensical things. It’s very, very difficult! Even in England Indians try this trick with others. If you remember our first flat fellow wanted us to give him some money and wanted this and that, and I had a big argument with him. So, this kind of a nonsense which I call as the sin against the Father is all the time [there]. Even if they get a broken chappal somewhere, they would carry it out. I mean, all this kind of a thing is not possible in London: people are very, very honest and they don’t take somebody’s money like that nor do they take away things. Here if you have the kind of newspaper distribution you have there, people will take away the newspaper! They will take away even the container of the money and also the cash box and also the lamppost! And they can use it for any purpose. Even I have seen people putting their bottles out. And everything, the way we have in London, the postal system, they send anything to you from thousands of rupees to any amount; nobody takes it. It is kept outside your house. It is lying there. Nobody takes it! Especially in Oxted, a place of, so forlorn and absolutely a desolate place and there also I have seen [that] if something arrived by parcel, it would be lying there for two days, three days, if you were out and nobody would touch it. That is not possible here at all. People would even take away locks you have, they’ll take away the panels you have (Mother laughs). I mean, they can take away anything they feel like. Can you imagine in India people can even take away a small, little tap that is hanging out! From the bathrooms they’ll take away the taps. You allow them to go wash in your washbasin, they may take away the washbasins! Dustbins: they’ll take away your dustbins. They can take away anything! Like they are possessed by some people who are thieves and thugs or I don’t know what! Our gurus are just the same: they don’t mind living on opium that is other people’s money. They indulge in other people’s money all the time. They have no shame about it. And when I say anything about it people say, “Mother, you are very hard on them!” What should I say? Should I garland them and make an aarti out of them that: what thugs you are, very nicely living on the people’s money? I just can’t understand what one should say. I feel so ashamed of them, and responsible also, the way they have really lynched all the Western seekers. And these are sadhus and they have no business to do that! And with that they have put all the bhoots into them and have taken all that they had. Even there are some people, one boy came to me, he didn’t have a proper shoe on him, and he’s the son of a Lord! And he said, “Now my father has no place for me because I stole some antiques from his house and sold them to give it to this fellow who’s now having an airstrip for himself.” Is this the way? To lynch people and take money from them and befool them? I mean, this is really shameful, absolutely shameful. And I am really ashamed of it. So, though we are, in a way, naïve, because we are not yet exposed to that kind of a sex-orientated society: but it will take no time if we do not stop it now with a complete force. It will take no time for us to get into that horrible, perverted thing, you see. And the other day somebody asked me, “What do you say to permissiveness and to licentiousness?” So, I said, “In our Indian language, we call it badmashi and badchalni.” This is the word we have got. I mean we have no other sensible words for these things. They are called badchalni and badmashi. This is the word we have got. What am I to do? I mean, can you suggest some new words for permissiveness and licentiousness? These are all horrid things! And I mean, this is regarded as something very bad. So, this one can be twisted also, and people can say that Mataji calls all the Westerners badmash. But if you are licentious, according to Indian language, any language, in Marathi language, we call it ‘gundgiri’ . So, this is the word we use. Now we haven’t got any word for a man like that, to call him: you see, we do not call and enshrine people who are licentious here, never! We never enshrine people who are permissive. But here, I don’t know how do you accept it, that, “It’s a permissive society, so what?” “If it is a satanic society, so what?” But satanic means you are Satans! You have to say you are Satans. Even if you don’t like my language, what other words can I use? You tell me. Is there any other word that can really describe them? It is simply a very, very dilapidated state of affairs and one has to accept it. It’s horrible! It’s rotting the whole society there. And we have to warn our people with very strong words. Even if people think that these words are very, very strong, you should not mind telling them that: “This is a very wrong thing that you are doing in that country and one should never do it, and one should never accept.” Because this may come here also and it’s so shocking! Today she was telling me something, Felicity, and Zareen was there and she just couldn’t understand anything. She was so shocked she was perspiring. Zareen, Zareen was there, and she was perspiring. And she couldn’t understand how could she stand all this nonsense? No girl in India would stand this kind-of-a nonsense. [If] any man tries to touch her she will just slap him nicely and put him right! She knows what it means but you are so naïve also about these things that you go on compromising on these fundamental things and on certain things, like putting on weight, you get so upset. You should be upset about losing your chastity much more than about losing your weight and things like that - it’s nothing important! The priorities are so funny that sometimes I just can’t understand. The main thing is, your chastity is the most important thing that must be saved and should not be allowed to be challenged by anyone whatsoever! Women have given up [their] lives, they have burnt themselves in this country, for saving their chastity. That’s the most important thing that they want to save. While there it’s so sex-orientated that you have got ideas, also, about your figures and things so that the body should be so attractive. It’s more like prostitution, I feel, myself, the way you are all the time paying attention to your body that you should be attractive to others. I mean this is something absurd and there is no beauty in such things. It is nothing but perversion of life, absolute perversion. You should try to remain in such a manner that you are dignified. Even the ideas are so much changed now. I think it’s much more satanic than anything else, because if you see Mona Lisa, who is regarded as still the best painting, she was a plump lady and nobody has any objection. They pay such a lot of money just to see her face! While suddenly the ideas have changed! I think a satanic force worked out to weaken the women in this manner. Because a woman who practices these things becomes very weak, physically, and then people can dominate them and can overtake them. And that’s why these funny ideas about [weight] reducing women and men and make them absolutely slaves of these horrible satanic gurus and things, have started, I think. This is how they do it. Perhaps it’s a very, very subtle way the satanic [force] acts through putting these ideas. The other day only, a friend of mine had come and she was telling me about her sister-in-law who went into a drastic [weight] reduction process, suddenly. And I had met her about ten years back when she started it and I told her, “What are you doing? You are looking so much older than your age. You are looking at least ten years older already.” Now this lady told me, “Now she looks like your mother!” I said, “Really? She’s so much younger to me in age.” She said, “She looks so much like your mother.” Because thin people look so much older. I have seen women of my age in England look at least double my age. I mean, they look like my mothers there. Because of this kind of thing the whole body shrivels up and also a little resistance that is needed, or reserve that is needed, is not there, and a balance in the body is not there. And it’s a very wrong thing to treat your body so shabbily just to satisfy certain foolish ideas that are all around. Be kind to your body. Don’t try to be very, very hard on this. It works on your heart. You might get a heart attack. You might get any kind of problems and it’s a very wrong thing. Don’t develop yourself in the lines which are suggested in the West. I have seen women who are so fidgety and so irritatingly boring with their figures. I don’t know how people marry with them! That’s why you are having divorces also. You are having divorces. The women who always go to dieting are a very irritating type. Actually, it’s a common thing. You know that Brutus has described by Shakespeare, as a thin man who was so irritatingly funny that people never liked him. He was always a complaining type. So, one must understand, you must have a little balance within yourself and don’t go all out for something that is so nonsensical. And always after Sahaj Yoga you will find our will have a body which will have a weight because water is accumulated and you will have a personality with that. Otherwise, I have seen some ladies who reduced themselves too much, and when they went to England, one of them was the wife of a Cabinet Secretary and she was taken as a secretary! And, she was made to sit somewhere in the corner. And the gentleman came in and said, “Where’s my wife?” They said, “Your wife never came.” He said, “But my wife was here.” So he said, “No, no, she’s never come.” He said, “But she was to arrive here earlier.” Then they said, “No, there’s only one Indian lady who has come. She’s sitting in the corner there.” And they said, “We thought she was your secretary.” You see, a certain amount of dignity is needed. And also, in India, also all of our Gods and Goddesses have been like that, because it gives you dignity, a contour and a personality which is required. Of course it should not be a hindrance to you in anyway and should not be too much. But the amount of fighting and quarrelling [that] is going on among thin people is so saddening that one wants to run away. On the contrary, a person who laughs and is relaxed always puts on weight. And what’s the use of making a mess out of yourself that nobody can even stand you? You’ll become like a thorn! So, I would warn you that don’t go in for these drastic things of [weight] reductions and all that. That’s not Sahaj. Of course, you should not put on weight much, then it’s different. But don’t go in for drastic things. That is asahaja. And don’t become like bamboos, because these bamboos have no impression on people and people must see you flowering like beautiful lotuses and they should be blooming with health. Because you know the Goddess is described as Pushti is well-nourished. A person should look well nourished. In London, when you walk, sometimes I feel that half of these women who have no weight might be lifted away by the breeze that is coming and may be planted into something horrible! It might be happening to some women. And they are a very irritated type. Extremely irritable temperaments they have. And they are all the time complaining, complaining, complaining. We have some neighbours and I happened to go to one of their meetings. And I got so bored with them [that] I came away. And they didn’t know how to talk to each other so they asked for drinks and started drinking, because there was no other way out from this kind of an irritated nature, the way they were complaining to each other. They got so tired of each other that they said, “Let’s have some drinks.” That’s the only way they can exist then. So try to be very, very humorous and jolly and happy people. Enjoy yourself. That’s the thing God has given you. And not try to become like Bombil machis! You see, that is one thing I must tell you [which] is very important. Because that is something that will be very wrong and will be asahaja. Of course you should not be extremely fat that you can’t move out. You need not be. You will never be with Sahaj Yoga, because if you get more fat it will be dissolved and things will be this thing. Now, what is the criteria? What are we to know? What sort of a weight is needed? There’s no criteria. We have to have different weights. We have to have different heights. We have to have different clothes. We have to be very, very different. And variety brings the beauty. If you have all of them put together in the same way, the same forms, with the same dresses going round, you get so bored looking at them! As if a machine has created all these people, human beings. There’s no sweetness about it. So, don’t try to play havoc with the nature. Never try that. Try to be attuned to the nature, attuned to it. Because all such things create problems and the first problem that is created is the liver. So, be careful and don’t go into such haphazard treatments. I would again request you, all of you, never to go in for such drastic things, neither in medicines nor in exercising yourself. Because you know, with exercises, what happens to your heart, we have seen it now. And it’s very difficult to rectify it, so be careful about it. And automatically you come down, you are normalised. And God knows how much weight you should have and all that. Now, those people who eat more may not put on weight. Those who eat less may put on weight. It’s possible. This happens. So it depends on your temperament, whatever are the requirements. And of course, you must keep a watch. But still I would say that one should not try to do something of that kind. On the contrary if somebody eats too much, that means something is wrong. If he eats too little also there’s something wrong. So you should eat a normal type of food and lead a normal life. And one type of food also one should not eat - too much of one type of food. We should eat all kinds of food and try to understand your own nature, what sort of a nature you have. And tomorrow I am going to give you a little bit of Ayurveda, by which you will know what is your nature and what sort of food you have to have and how you have to be a normal person. May God Bless you, now. So let’s have food.

Advice at Bordi Shibir (English part). Bordi, Maharashtra, India. 22 March 1979. You develop a hypertension, you become very agitated, you start dancing and doing all kinds of things. These things can happen - that you may start dancing, jumping, shouting, doing all kinds of things, getting into licentiousness, permissiveness. Because that’s how you are let loose. The control on your being of the wisdom is lost, and then you just get into it. And you don’t feel the pinch of your conscience. The pinch of the conscience is no more. You just go arbitrary and you just shoot off. It can happen to people even without feeling this. Even without feeling this some people can get into that kind of a mood. That’s how they become alcoholic and they become all these things where they have no control. (break in recording) …eventually he was absolutely on [his] deathbed because he got cirrhosis of the liver and he was going to die. He had left Sahaj Yoga, he wanted to do it on his own and all that, and he just lost it, poor thing! Within three months he started showing results. And he was so badly off and I brought him home. My husband had gone abroad and when he came back he said, “What’s this? You have got a dead person in the house! They are going to prosecute us, we are all going to be in jail. He’s going to die next moment the way he is. I just can’t look at him!” He was very angry. I said, “Now where can I send him? After all, he’s so sick, it would be very inhuman to send him anywhere out.” He said, “All right, tomorrow you arrange something and send him away.” But next day you see when my husband got up from his bed he saw this gentleman walking about. He was so surprised and aghast! He came in and he said, “The fellow is out, out of his bed! I just can’t believe my eyes.” And then within seven days he was completely cured. But then Gus told me that, “Mother, some of us are so egotistical that we have to go to that limit to know you and to come to you. It’s not possible for some people to give up their ego and to behave in this manner, so you better allow them to go to that position and then to come back.” I said, “For a Mother it is difficult. She will try to tell them again and again that, no, no, you try to get all right.” So, that’s what he told me. But this is very true. You see, what I have found with the Western people is that they are really egotistical in the sense that they, they don’t mind killing themselves. The ego is so self-destroying that they know that they are unkind to themselves but to just satisfy their ego, they’ll go on destroying themselves. And they reach such a funny point that you just can’t understand how they have been so foolish about it. Then he started respecting himself and then he went to his mother. He said, “I feel tremendous love for my mother!” Whom he had left for years. He never bothered about her. Then he went down [to Australia]. Now he’s in Australia looking after his mother and he’ll be coming back to London. I am sure he’s much better off. He writes very sweet letters. So this is what is the thing of Mr. Gus, who was the leader of all the hippies of London and who was a very clever boy, and he was a Physics professor. And so you can imagine what can happen to an egotistical person, how he can lose his complete wisdom. In Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan there were about 300 people out of which at least 275 people were Indians. And they were all suffering from some disease or other. I got such a fright and I was so angry with all of them. I said, “None of you are healthy to come to me.” Some were suffering from paralysis, some were suffering from gout and all kinds of troubles they had. And, in that lot I found Cooly sitting in front of me and he was absolutely cool, very, very cool: so much that he was like a frozen dough. And I felt him and I said, “Now this is too much!” But because of his heart catching you see. When your heart is caught up you can feel that kind of coolness because it depresses your heart more and you get that cool there. So I called him Cooly. And [Dr. Denton] Cooley is one doctor whom you might have heard about him, who is in Houston, where they are operating small children, and I had taken my grandchild there. So I met him: He looked very much like our Cooly, but he’s a very tall fellow; a very kindly person. And when I saw him I combined these two things together because he’s was so cool and also his face so much like Dr. Cooley that I called him Cooly; and that’s how [he got the name]. And then whenever he talked to me he said, “You remember Mother, I’m Cooly speaking.” So his name became Cooly forever (laughter). Now, come along. His name is Anthony Panayiotou. He is from Cyprus, very near Greece from where Alexander the Great came to us. And now comes ‘Cooly the Great’. But I must also give the other side of the picture. The other side of the picture is that though you people have one problem which I call as the sin against the Mother, also Indians have sin against the Father, which they do not know. In London you cannot imagine someone running away with your chappals (Indian sandals) from Caxton Hall. Nobody can even think of such nonsense! But here, how many of you have lost your chappals in the programme? And not only you but even yesterday, poor Mr. Pradhan lost his new shoe because where he wore it for a function like that! This kind of an absurdity is only possible in this wretched India, where you get all this kind of nonsense! That’s the point where I really cannot understand that people are so much worried and upset about their belongings, about their things and they want to grab anything that comes in their way. If they can do it without paying anything for it, they’ll be very happy. So, in this way we are really committing sins against the Father, who has said that He is going to look after the kshema (well-being) also. He looks after the kshema. And while we do not believe into it that He looks after it. We get upset for a little money spent here. We get upset for little things done there. I mean we are really, that way, very, very funny people. Though Indians are very generous no doubt but they do not mind taking away things without the knowledge of the person who is around. It’s something so funny! Of course, everybody does not do it but quite a lot of [them do]. But especially the people who are at the helm of affairs are absolute cheats sometimes and are so funny that one can’t understand why do they want to cheat? I mean, they have everything, and they have got a lot of money. But they won’t mind taking away some money away from you, taking away some money away from the other person. For no rhyme and reason they will expect you to give them money and bribes and things like that. So, this is something so surprising that in London we have taken a flat, and now you know we have taken a house. We have taken a flat from one Indian and then we took a house in London. I didn’t have to pay any black money or anything like that for taking this house and it worked out very well. But here it is not possible unless and until you give them some black money and you do all kinds of nonsensical things. It’s very, very difficult! Even in England Indians try this trick with others. If you remember our first flat fellow wanted us to give him some money and wanted this and that, and I had a big argument with him. So, this kind of a nonsense which I call as the sin against the Father is all the time [there]. Even if they get a broken chappal somewhere, they would carry it out. I mean, all this kind of a thing is not possible in London: people are very, very honest and they don’t take somebody’s money like that nor do they take away things. Here if you have the kind of newspaper distribution you have there, people will take away the newspaper! They will take away even the container of the money and also the cash box and also the lamppost! And they can use it for any purpose. Even I have seen people putting their bottles out. And everything, the way we have in London, the postal system, they send anything to you from thousands of rupees to any amount; nobody takes it. It is kept outside your house. It is lying there. Nobody takes it! Especially in Oxted, a place of, so forlorn and absolutely a desolate place and there also I have seen [that] if something arrived by parcel, it would be lying there for two days, three days, if you were out and nobody would touch it. That is not possible here at all. People would even take away locks you have, they’ll take away the panels you have (Mother laughs). I mean, they can take away anything they feel like. Can you imagine in India people can even take away a small, little tap that is hanging out! From the bathrooms they’ll take away the taps. You allow them to go wash in your washbasin, they may take away the washbasins! Dustbins: they’ll take away your dustbins. They can take away anything! Like they are possessed by some people who are thieves and thugs or I don’t know what! Our gurus are just the same: they don’t mind living on opium that is other people’s money. They indulge in other people’s money all the time. They have no shame about it. And when I say anything about it people say, “Mother, you are very hard on them!” What should I say? Should I garland them and make an aarti out of them that: what thugs you are, very nicely living on the people’s money? I just can’t understand what one should say. I feel so ashamed of them, and responsible also, the way they have really lynched all the Western seekers. And these are sadhus and they have no business to do that! And with that they have put all the bhoots into them and have taken all that they had. Even there are some people, one boy came to me, he didn’t have a proper shoe on him, and he’s the son of a Lord! And he said, “Now my father has no place for me because I stole some antiques from his house and sold them to give it to this fellow who’s now having an airstrip for himself.” Is this the way? To lynch people and take money from them and befool them? I mean, this is really shameful, absolutely shameful. And I am really ashamed of it. So, though we are, in a way, naïve, because we are not yet exposed to that kind of a sex-orientated society: but it will take no time if we do not stop it now with a complete force. It will take no time for us to get into that horrible, perverted thing, you see. And the other day somebody asked me, “What do you say to permissiveness and to licentiousness?” So, I said, “In our Indian language, we call it badmashi and badchalni.” This is the word we have got. I mean we have no other sensible words for these things. They are called badchalni and badmashi. This is the word we have got. What am I to do? I mean, can you suggest some new words for permissiveness and licentiousness? These are all horrid things! And I mean, this is regarded as something very bad. So, this one can be twisted also, and people can say that Mataji calls all the Westerners badmash. But if you are licentious, according to Indian language, any language, in Marathi language, we call it ‘gundgiri’ . So, this is the word we use. Now we haven’t got any word for a man like that, to call him: you see, we do not call and enshrine people who are licentious here, never! We never enshrine people who are permissive. But here, I don’t know how do you accept it, that, “It’s a permissive society, so what?” “If it is a satanic society, so what?” But satanic means you are Satans! You have to say you are Satans. Even if you don’t like my language, what other words can I use? You tell me. Is there any other word that can really describe them? It is simply a very, very dilapidated state of affairs and one has to accept it. It’s horrible! It’s rotting the whole society there. And we have to warn our people with very strong words. Even if people think that these words are very, very strong, you should not mind telling them that: “This is a very wrong thing that you are doing in that country and one should never do it, and one should never accept.” Because this may come here also and it’s so shocking! Today she was telling me something, Felicity, and Zareen was there and she just couldn’t understand anything. She was so shocked she was perspiring. Zareen, Zareen was there, and she was perspiring. And she couldn’t understand how could she stand all this nonsense? No girl in India would stand this kind-of-a nonsense. [If] any man tries to touch her she will just slap him nicely and put him right! She knows what it means but you are so naïve also about these things that you go on compromising on these fundamental things and on certain things, like putting on weight, you get so upset. You should be upset about losing your chastity much more than about losing your weight and things like that - it’s nothing important! The priorities are so funny that sometimes I just can’t understand. The main thing is, your chastity is the most important thing that must be saved and should not be allowed to be challenged by anyone whatsoever! Women have given up [their] lives, they have burnt themselves in this country, for saving their chastity. That’s the most important thing that they want to save. While there it’s so sex-orientated that you have got ideas, also, about your figures and things so that the body should be so attractive. It’s more like prostitution, I feel, myself, the way you are all the time paying attention to your body that you should be attractive to others. I mean this is something absurd and there is no beauty in such things. It is nothing but perversion of life, absolute perversion. You should try to remain in such a manner that you are dignified. Even the ideas are so much changed now. I think it’s much more satanic than anything else, because if you see Mona Lisa, who is regarded as still the best painting, she was a plump lady and nobody has any objection. They pay such a lot of money just to see her face! While suddenly the ideas have changed! I think a satanic force worked out to weaken the women in this manner. Because a woman who practices these things becomes very weak, physically, and then people can dominate them and can overtake them. And that’s why these funny ideas about [weight] reducing women and men and make them absolutely slaves of these horrible satanic gurus and things, have started, I think. This is how they do it. Perhaps it’s a very, very subtle way the satanic [force] acts through putting these ideas. The other day only, a friend of mine had come and she was telling me about her sister-in-law who went into a drastic [weight] reduction process, suddenly. And I had met her about ten years back when she started it and I told her, “What are you doing? You are looking so much older than your age. You are looking at least ten years older already.” Now this lady told me, “Now she looks like your mother!” I said, “Really? She’s so much younger to me in age.” She said, “She looks so much like your mother.” Because thin people look so much older. I have seen women of my age in England look at least double my age. I mean, they look like my mothers there. Because of this kind of thing the whole body shrivels up and also a little resistance that is needed, or reserve that is needed, is not there, and a balance in the body is not there. And it’s a very wrong thing to treat your body so shabbily just to satisfy certain foolish ideas that are all around. Be kind to your body. Don’t try to be very, very hard on this. It works on your heart. You might get a heart attack. You might get any kind of problems and it’s a very wrong thing. Don’t develop yourself in the lines which are suggested in the West. I have seen women who are so fidgety and so irritatingly boring with their figures. I don’t know how people marry with them! That’s why you are having divorces also. You are having divorces. The women who always go to dieting are a very irritating type. Actually, it’s a common thing. You know that Brutus has described by Shakespeare, as a thin man who was so irritatingly funny that people never liked him. He was always a complaining type. So, one must understand, you must have a little balance within yourself and don’t go all out for something that is so nonsensical. And always after Sahaj Yoga you will find our will have a body which will have a weight because water is accumulated and you will have a personality with that. Otherwise, I have seen some ladies who reduced themselves too much, and when they went to England, one of them was the wife of a Cabinet Secretary and she was taken as a secretary! And, she was made to sit somewhere in the corner. And the gentleman came in and said, “Where’s my wife?” They said, “Your wife never came.” He said, “But my wife was here.” So he said, “No, no, she’s never come.” He said, “But she was to arrive here earlier.” Then they said, “No, there’s only one Indian lady who has come. She’s sitting in the corner there.” And they said, “We thought she was your secretary.” You see, a certain amount of dignity is needed. And also, in India, also all of our Gods and Goddesses have been like that, because it gives you dignity, a contour and a personality which is required. Of course it should not be a hindrance to you in anyway and should not be too much. But the amount of fighting and quarrelling [that] is going on among thin people is so saddening that one wants to run away. On the contrary, a person who laughs and is relaxed always puts on weight. And what’s the use of making a mess out of yourself that nobody can even stand you? You’ll become like a thorn! So, I would warn you that don’t go in for these drastic things of [weight] reductions and all that. That’s not Sahaj. Of course, you should not put on weight much, then it’s different. But don’t go in for drastic things. That is asahaja. And don’t become like bamboos, because these bamboos have no impression on people and people must see you flowering like beautiful lotuses and they should be blooming with health. Because you know the Goddess is described as Pushti is well-nourished. A person should look well nourished. In London, when you walk, sometimes I feel that half of these women who have no weight might be lifted away by the breeze that is coming and may be planted into something horrible! It might be happening to some women. And they are a very irritated type. Extremely irritable temperaments they have. And they are all the time complaining, complaining, complaining. We have some neighbours and I happened to go to one of their meetings. And I got so bored with them [that] I came away. And they didn’t know how to talk to each other so they asked for drinks and started drinking, because there was no other way out from this kind of an irritated nature, the way they were complaining to each other. They got so tired of each other that they said, “Let’s have some drinks.” That’s the only way they can exist then. So try to be very, very humorous and jolly and happy people. Enjoy yourself. That’s the thing God has given you. And not try to become like Bombil machis! You see, that is one thing I must tell you [which] is very important. Because that is something that will be very wrong and will be asahaja. Of course you should not be extremely fat that you can’t move out. You need not be. You will never be with Sahaj Yoga, because if you get more fat it will be dissolved and things will be this thing. Now, what is the criteria? What are we to know? What sort of a weight is needed? There’s no criteria. We have to have different weights. We have to have different heights. We have to have different clothes. We have to be very, very different. And variety brings the beauty. If you have all of them put together in the same way, the same forms, with the same dresses going round, you get so bored looking at them! As if a machine has created all these people, human beings. There’s no sweetness about it. So, don’t try to play havoc with the nature. Never try that. Try to be attuned to the nature, attuned to it. Because all such things create problems and the first problem that is created is the liver. So, be careful and don’t go into such haphazard treatments. I would again request you, all of you, never to go in for such drastic things, neither in medicines nor in exercising yourself. Because you know, with exercises, what happens to your heart, we have seen it now. And it’s very difficult to rectify it, so be careful about it. And automatically you come down, you are normalised. And God knows how much weight you should have and all that. Now, those people who eat more may not put on weight. Those who eat less may put on weight. It’s possible. This happens. So it depends on your temperament, whatever are the requirements. And of course, you must keep a watch. But still I would say that one should not try to do something of that kind. On the contrary if somebody eats too much, that means something is wrong. If he eats too little also there’s something wrong. So you should eat a normal type of food and lead a normal life. And one type of food also one should not eat - too much of one type of food. We should eat all kinds of food and try to understand your own nature, what sort of a nature you have. And tomorrow I am going to give you a little bit of Ayurveda, by which you will know what is your nature and what sort of food you have to have and how you have to be a normal person. May God Bless you, now. So let’s have food.

3/24/1979

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Public Program: Chitta KI Gaharai

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Public Program Bordi You all have come in Sahajayog. Some are there for a long time, some are new. Slowly the number of sahajayogis is going to increase. There is no doubt. The truth always establishes itself slowly. Truth takes time to get established (within ourselves). Some people came in Sahajayog and took 8 to 9 months to get their realization. To achieve the truth, we should have depth inside us and the most important thing is we have to be pure inside. If we have been to many gurus, our Chitta (attention) becomes impure. Secondly, when we are living in today’s society, due to many distractions outside, our Chitta(attention) is always directed outwards (towards the physical world). We get impressed by all these distractions and also we have been brainwashed by society that these things are important for us. Hence we put our attention to the things which are not at all important and neglect those which are necessary. Therefore, we go on collecting the things which are useless for us which we call ‘Junk’ in English. So, our mind becomes heavy with all the ‘Junk’ it collects inside. Our minds can’t carry this burden. It gets tiring. When people get together in the society, they can’t talk to each other for a long time because; their mind is so heavy with the thoughts that they are tired. Even while talking to each other, they need to do something else like reading a book or watching a movie. They can’t sit together even for 10 minutes without those distractions. The more you keep your mind pure, the happier you will be. So while purifying our Chitta(attention), we should remember that this Chitta is going to take us to God. Once we know God, the rest of the things become easy to understand. Because when you get to the core of something, you understand the depth and extent of the thing very easily & in a subtler way. Hence, you should always keep your attention on your Chitta. Where is my Chitta (attention) going? The more your Chitta gets surrendered, the purer it becomes. It’s like as many times you take bath in the river Ganges (Holy River in India); you become purer every time. Then the biggest question arises, “Mother, How to surrender ourselves?” Now you know one way of surrendering yourselves which you have been practicing for years. As you have seen, a lady surrenders herself to Maa Gayatri or Shriram. We have this tradition in our country that almost every family in India, we have any one of the deities which is the deity for our whole family to whom we worship from generations to generations and we are completely surrendered to that deity. But we don’t gain anything from this kind of surrender. We attain a depth in this surrender for sure but we don’t achieve anything in that depth. It’s like we have a big ‘Ghada’ (earthen pot used in India to carry and store water) which is big and deep but its mouth (opening to pour water inside) is not directed towards the river Ganges. It is getting deeper but because its mouth is directed away from the river, the river water can’t flow inside the pot. Now if we direct the mouth of the pot towards the river, immediately the pot will be filled with the river water. So this is the biggest advantage for the people in our country. If someone is surrendered to Shriram or any other Incarnations of God, he just has to ask, “Mother, are you that Incarnation?” & vibrations start flowing through him instantly. See, how easy is Sahajayog? This has 2 benefits, Firstly, whatever hard work you have been doing to reach God until now is not wasted & secondly, you could identify me very easily. Now, you know all the incarnations that came on this earth before me. How people have tortured them and troubled them. But in this Incarnation, It was considered as to How to make people identify that this is the Incarnation of God. Because human beings are so egoistic, they are not ready to accept anyone as the Incarnation and when the incarnation leaves this earth, people come to know the truth about the incarnation. Then, they feel guilty, they cry. There was one gentleman. His name was T. Maniklal. I went for his treatment. He used to be always ill. He said, “Mother, I saw this weird dream in which I was sleeping in a room &my family was also there in the same room with me & you were in another room where people were worshiping you, doing you Puja but I couldn’t go there. I was trying to get up but I couldn’t. My family was just looking at me. I was trying to tell them ‘go and worship Shri Mataji, but I was unable to do anything” Actually, he was dreaming about his state after his death. Now he is no more. But how could I tell him that he was about to die and that time he was going to feel like that? He was dreaming about his condition after death. At that time he was dying. He told me about his dream 3-4 times & asked me to explain the meaning of his dream. He was getting this dream again and again. He said, “I always get this dream and my family is sitting there with me, crying for me but not going towards you (Shri Mataji). I try again and again to tell them to go to Shri Mataji and surrender, but I can’t. He asked many times about this dream in front of his family. But even now if I try to explain it to his family, they will not understand. So, in this country (India), this has become a very useful tool because we are already surrendered to any one of the deities. Even if those ‘Hare Rama, Hare Krishna’ people turn the mouths of their pots towards me (turn to me) and ask, “Mother, are you the Hare Rama, Hare Krishna to whom we have been worshipping all this time?” Then instantly their Vishuddhi chakra will get cleared and their pots will be filled with the river water (vibrations will start flowing through them). You all have already experienced these things. I am not telling you anything new. Whenever you give realization to someone, tell him to ask me first, “Mother, are you that same power to whom I have been worshiping all my life?” This works better in our country (India) than in any other country. Because, people over there, do not worship anyone. Most of them don’t listen to anyone other than themselves. It’s useless to talk about these things there. Because people are so much separated from each other that sometimes one doesn’t know whether his father is alive or not, I have seen many such people there. But it’s very easy in our country. If you ask them about the deity they worship and tell them to ask whether the mother is that deity or not. Also, you have to keep in mind that I am talking about any true Guru or true incarnation and not any weird person. So, if they ask this question 3 times, they should get their vibrations. Now, there was one lady who said, “Mother, I worship Renuka Devi” so, you should not consider Renuka Devi as an Incarnation specifically. People do many such things but normally if you ask about the very well-known Incarnations, this will happen immediately. Just put your hand on the liver while doing this step. So, when their attention (Chitta) knows that this is the same deity, slowly they understand. There is nothing to fear or feel awkward about this. (Anyways, you now know who am I). In the same way, when you asked me about who was I, I answered you (I gave you the truth). I am not scared to tell you that. I have always told you with full confidence, “yes this is the truth”. But People are so egoistic that as soon as they come to know this, they run after the person to hit him. For them, this is the biggest fear that someone has come into this world as God’s Incarnation because then, they feel that everything has been taken away from their hands. They feel that someone has snatched the whole world from them and they are left with nothing. They are finished now. Because they were thinking that they are the incarnations (wise people) themselves. This is the difficulty. So, as soon as they hear this kind of thing, they start doubting. But they are ready to worship deities who are dead thousands of years back. That’s ok for them. They will worship them. In Kashmir, the Gayatri mantra is very popular. All the bramhins chant the Gayatri mantra & they are suffering from all the problems in the world. Some of them say that we can’t leave this Gayatri and some of them say, “Mother, we didn’t get any benefit from Gayatri, we worshipped it so much. “They blame Gayatri that they did so much but still have so many problems, diseases, etc. that time, if you tell them to ask mother if she is Gayatri Devi, they will get realization within 5 minutes &all their machinery starts working. It’s like, you have connected some plug wrongly so the machine is not working but when you correct it &put the plug perfectly, the machine starts working perfectly. Like that you have to make people understand. It is not an easy task to get incarnated on this earth. It’s very difficult & to be born amid fools is even more difficult. Because if you try to tell them some wise things, they also have a way such that they will name you with some brand (Title). Maybe they will spread rumors about you that you are mad. But if you praise them saying, “they are very brilliant people & that even if they eat cow dung, that’s ok. Then, you will become a very good person in their view. But if you try to explain to them that whatever they are doing is wrong, they will not listen. Every true Guru does that. If it’s a false Guru, he won’t do it because he just wants your money. He will say do whatever you want, just pay me my money. So they (false Gurus) don’t have this problem. The problem starts when a true Guru comes and tries to explain to people what is wrong and what is right. Only a wise man can tell this. But then, people call him names, they spread rumors about him that he is mad or something. People also tease their fathers, mothers, and teachers. They make fun of them. Because they don’t understand what they are trying to tell, they just make fun of their parents and teachers. This is the modern way. In older days, people used to sit at Guru’s feet for hours, in the hope that Guru will guide them about their faults. Even now, the true Gurus make their disciples understand their own mistakes but their ways are difficult. I told you about one guru who broke someone’s legs and he was brought back to me. This way the gurus gave such punishment just to clear his agnya chakra. But then Guru himself is just a human being. Whenever true incarnations came on this earth, people troubled them. During Shrirama’s incarnation, Kaikeyi listened to her maid (servant). A wise woman like Kaikeyi listened to a servant and sent Shriram and Sitaji to the forest etc. Anyways, it was a planned work & it’s finished. During Krishna’s time, he couldn’t tell Geeta to anyone except Arjun alone. It’s not like he could collect 50 people & sit together and tell them. If Krishna would have told in front of many people, “सर्वधर्माणाम परित्यज्य, मामेकं शरणं रज” ( Sanskrit:- meaning – renounce all the beliefs, and surrender to me) then people would have named him with a funny title and made fun of him. It’s after his death that people are reading Geeta. Like Christ has said, “I am the light, I am the path”. But people named him with a brand (title) like he is egoistic or something. So, the job of an incarnation is very difficult. There is nothing more difficult than that. Firstly, you are a God who has come on this earth. Then living with human beings is even more difficult. Because you don’t have habits that normal human beings have & it’s even too much difficult to understand human beings. “Suppose, you are a human being, how will you understand a dog? Tell me, is that easy? It’s very difficult. Then how will you understand an insect? like, what are his habits? how does he manage to live in dirt? How much dirt he creates?” So, getting incarnated on this earth is not an easy task & if someone wants to get incarnated, he has to go through lots of hardships. But telling a lie, “I am an incarnation” is very easy. There is nothing easier than that e.g. if someone wants to establish a true business; he knows how difficult it is. But if someone wants to earn illegal money in the name of business; he will fool the government, take the money and show fake investments, grab money from here and there &run away to America. So, to fool people is very easy. If you fake yourself as a God, it’s easy. Someone says, “I am God. So, I want silver plates to eat, a Golden bucket to have a bath, a palace to live in, a Mercedes to travel” you have to supply everything because he is God. But for someone who is the real God. He will think, “I should become like these human beings. I should become a common man & forget those days when I used to live in a palace & was surrounded by all the luxuries when I was happy both inside and outside. I should forget all that & work hard, travel in villages, live in dust, save people, take their burden onto myself, give realization to them.” You can see how difficult it was for Shrikrishna. He came to Vrundavan from Mathura stayed there as a common cowherd, took all the troubles onto himself. Demons used to come again and again to kill him. How he used his powers of destruction, how he fought with the Kaliya snake. You know about all his life. You know about Shriram’s life, you know about Christ’s life, you know about Mohammad Sahab's life, you know about Zoroaster’s life. How many problems they had to face? How people tortured them &troubled them? So, what’s the difference between the two? ( True God and fake God?) The biggest difference is that the fake person lives in luxury, fools everyone, and acquires money. No one dares say anything against him. But the true God is always tortured by others. He works hard throughout his life, wears off like sandalwood, and fills the environment with its fragrance. The fake one says, “I will do everything for you, you will have no problem” and when someone complaints, he says, “those are your previous deeds that are backfiring” and people take it happily that’ their past deeds are bad so what can their Guru do about it?’ they think, “maybe I paid him less. If I have some more faith, maybe I will get my wish. So in the form of faith, something more (money) is given to him & it goes on, the lies will go on until that person is completely fooled and destroyed by the Guru. But the truth, the truth is very deep. It can’t be destroyed by money. Money is nothing in front of the truth. The truth connects to your heart, it can be felt. You have to put your efforts & that’s what human beings don’t want to do. It’s easy to buy something with money. As you buy anything with money, you buy a guru. There is nothing difficult in that. If you have money, you can buy whatever you want. So, you have bought your Guru. It’s easy. But here, people say, “oh, this guru is a trouble, he tells us to leave drinking, leave cigarette, leave tobacco, follow rules, you can’t leave your wife and run away.” Once, in Delhi, a gentleman came to me and said, “I am not happy with my wife & I love another woman”, I said, “Don’t tell such things to me please”. Immediately, I became an old-fashioned woman in his view and he named me with some title and went on to fulfill his desire. So, it’s a difficult task. But my question is. “Ok, you don’t want to listen to him (true guru), you don’t agree with him, not happy with his teachings. But my dear, have you ever thought about what good have you done to others in your whole life? It’s ok that you have a problem following whatever he is asking you to do but what good have you done for others till now? How much have you helped others? Have you ever carried the burdens of other people on your shoulders?” If you want to know whether someone is a true guru or a false one, there is only one way, that is a true guru cares for you & a false guru cares for your money. You have to see that for yourself. Now, there is a big question in front of all the sahajayogis that is, whether we should tell other people that ‘Mother is the Adishakti’ but this is not false. You like it or not, this is the truth. So we should in turn ask them, “We have already seen the rising Kundalini with our eyes. We have seen it pulsating, have you seen this anywhere else? Even when we raise our Kundalini, we don’t get as many vibrations as we get at Shri Mataji’s lotus feet. Has anyone seen a pulsating Kundalini? We have seen it with our eyes, numerous times. Kundalini starts rising when we surrender at mother’s lotus feet.” It’s written in Devi Mahatmya, in Lalita Sahastranaam that Kundalini rises at Mother’s Lotus feet. And if thousands of kundalinis are rising, there is surely something. So you tell them, “ how can’t we believe our own eyes?” I will tell you a joke. One gentleman went somewhere. He saw Sun and started thinking about whether it’s a sun or a moon. A fight started between two men whether it is the sun or the moon. A third person was passing by. They asked him whether it’s a sun or a moon. He said, “See, I am a foreigner, I don’t know” (laughter) Same way, for the people who don’t understand, just tell them, ‘We have seen & felt the rising Kundalini. How can we forget it?” also you can tell them to ask in the photograph,” Mother, are you Adishakti?” I have arranged for you to get the answer at the photograph. You know that God has created every small thing very specially. He has arranged every tiny detail miraculously. So, you have to tell them, “we have seen it with our eyes. If you want proof, come and ask at the photograph. You ask them straightaway. If the person is very bad then leave it. But if it’s a common man with a pure heart & if he is a seeker then he gets it instantly. It’s very easy to give realization in Sahajayog. But to do that it is necessary for you to achieve stability, to establish that trust within yourself. Until you are not confident about it, others will of course doubt you. Of course, when someone talks with authority, there is always a possibility that people will name you with a title. They use the words like, ‘ that lady has bewitched you’ or ‘you are mesmerized by her’ etc. but tell them, “How can we forget that we have seen Kundalini rising, vibrations flowing, people are getting realization? How can we forget?” But unless you become completely confident about yourself, people are not going to get impressed by you. There are many people here especially in Mumbai who know this thing very deeply. I always say, “There are fewer people here but each one is better than the other” comparatively, there are more people in Delhi but very few are confident about it. Of course, I also have worked hard on you but by God’s grace, we didn’t get lots of shallow people here. Otherwise, it would have been difficult. You should also be wise enough to recognize whether the person who is in front of you is worthy. Don’t waste your time on worthless people. e.g. this is your brother, you go on trying for him. When you know that your brother is a drinker, a gambler, he misbehaves with his wife & is a worthless person but even then you work hard on him because he is your brother then you are a fool. You should always first try for the people who are similar to you. Who are simple, normal. Try them first. But many people try to first bring their relations like their brother, their father, their wife, etc. & it becomes very difficult to correct them. Though, it is true that unless your family is into it, it is a bit difficult to get established in Sahajayog. If the whole family is in Sahajayog then it becomes easy. But the biggest question in front of today’s sahajayogis is, ‘Have you established yourself?’ you can’t do anything without establishing yourself. First of all, you establish yourself in Sahajayog. secondly, you have to see how many other people you can bring in. you light your lamp first properly. Then you think about how many other lamps you can light. You think about which person will be suitable for this. You have to work wisely. If you go and directly start chanting “Jai Mataji”, then you will lose it. You have to behave wisely. The right person will automatically reach you. I make them reach out to you. e.g. if someone is ill, someone left his wife, etc. these people directly come to you. But anyways, whenever something like that happens & that person comes to you, that’s good. But even when you want to go & talk to that person, the first thing that impresses him is your character, your behavior, etc. but if someone is not capable, he will misinterpret everything about you. If you have put kumkum, he will have an objection, if you haven’t, he will have an objection. I am not talking about such people. They are worthless. They are not going to get realization. It’s very difficult. So, there is no need to think about them but a normal person who you think can come in Sahajayog, you have to behave very wisely with him. First important thing is, how will he get impressed by you? If he has some level, he will understand just by seeing you that you have something different in you. If he hasn’t attained that level, he won’t be able to recognize you. He will look at your clothes, your shoes, etc. There was a gentleman from Nagpur, all of his family is following Radhaswamy except him. He used to fight them all saying, “ There is no change in you people, why are you following this guru? But when he met(UNCLEAR Mehtani), he understood that there is something different in this man. He talks with confidence so definitely, he has achieved something. Then he told his family, “now, I have got the real Guru because now I have achieved it.” If you have achieved it, then by your behavior, your way of communication, your confidence, others should feel that you have got it. If they feel that you have achieved that ‘state’, they will ask you, “How have you got it? How do you remain always calm? How have you become so sweet?”. Until that transformation happens within you, unless that sweetness and beauty shine within you, you can’t impress others. Of course, I am not talking about people who are superficial but simple, common people will recognize that there is something spiritual about this person. So, first of all, you have to establish yourself then you have to search for such people. The first identity is they should get impressed by your behavior. Many real Gurus used to hit people who came to them & then also if someone doesn’t run away from them, then they used to accept him as a disciple. But the situation is not the same now. Now you have to catch people like Christ said, “come, I will teach you how to catch human beings & you stop catching fishes”. Same way all of you should learn how to catch people and save them through this Bhavasagar. This is the biggest question in front of us. the biggest question in front of the sahajayogis is how to save people and it has to happen, no matter what. for that, whatever you have to do, whatever problems you need to face, you have to do it. you have to save people & bring them to Sahajayog. this is the only thing you have to do. and not that ‘my brother is not getting any job, my work is pending’ etc. these are not the things for you to worry about. The biggest work you do today is you are on the seashore and see the people who are drawing & try to save them. If we can’t do this then our realization is wasted. Everything is in vain. Today, at this place in Bordi, you all take an oath in your mind that ‘this is our aim that each person will save at least 1000 more people. you will have to work hard, to face problems, suffer but you have to do it calmly, wisely & try to save people. So, getting angry, shouting at others, getting upset, condemning yourself or others or thinking that we have done so much or we can’t do anything or trying to dominate others, or getting scared of others. all these things have to be stopped &with calm, stable mind & with confidence, you have to do this work. think about how to save more and more people. Once, we went to Rahuri & people were requested not to come to my feet for worshipping because there was swelling on my legs but people got hurt then I said ok, you can come to worship, let the swelling be. I will do something about it. I couldn’t upset them. It was their love but if they could understand that mother is suffering, it would have been better. But that’s ok. Somehow I want them to get it( realization), understand it. so, you too have to do this work considering yourself as an elder person to them or at a higher level of understanding than others. This is the thing you have to understand. You have to be wise. So, May you all establish this maturity within yourself & you all get enlightened with the light of God and enlighten others. this is my blessing to you all. (Shri Mataji is giving some instructions to Sahajayogis) It(Kundalini) carries the light with it. But if your attention is at the centre of the Agnya chakra, you don’t see the light. but if it is not passing through that(centre) then because your attention is outside, you see the light. because it is carrying the light also with it. but Kundalini is not passing through it. it's stuck up. So,because of that light, your eyes go like that. People even have seen the complete flow of light moving up like that but they don't feel the realization. they see it coming up to the Agnya but the whole thing drops back. they saw how Adi Kundalini was helping their Kundalini but since your attention is outside, the flickering of the light starts. then I tell you to fix up your eyes on my photograph. when you see towards my face, what happens the Chaitanya pushes you through your eyes into the centre. so that you see me as I am but the eyes are controlled by the Chaitanya. and the attention is pushed inside that aperture in the Agnya chakra. so, I always say that if your eyes are fluttering, please pay attention to me so that the Chaitanya works out through your eyes and fixes your attention to pass it through that(Agnya chakra). because the light starts spreading on all the sides, you see that light and your eyes go like that. you can't close your eyes. It’s the reason for that. One of the reasons for Nirvichara is that. But also Nirvichara is a way to express the Blessings of your Mother. When She wants to Bless you, you see. You wrote the letter, She was happy. Just to Bless you, you became Nirvichar. You see, it’s the Blessing. That’s how you….that’s the Grace, you see, that comes to you from your Mother that you become Nirvichar. That’s one has to remember. If you do the things that I tell you, I bless you very much because they are for your good, for your Kalyana (well-being), for your Mangal (auspicious). And that’s why you are blessed and that Blessing you feel as Nirvichara. Because I am Nirvichara myself. (Shri Mataji is having some discussion with sahajayogis)

Public Program Bordi You all have come in Sahajayog. Some are there for a long time, some are new. Slowly the number of sahajayogis is going to increase. There is no doubt. The truth always establishes itself slowly. Truth takes time to get established (within ourselves). Some people came in Sahajayog and took 8 to 9 months to get their realization. To achieve the truth, we should have depth inside us and the most important thing is we have to be pure inside. If we have been to many gurus, our Chitta (attention) becomes impure. Secondly, when we are living in today’s society, due to many distractions outside, our Chitta(attention) is always directed outwards (towards the physical world). We get impressed by all these distractions and also we have been brainwashed by society that these things are important for us. Hence we put our attention to the things which are not at all important and neglect those which are necessary. Therefore, we go on collecting the things which are useless for us which we call ‘Junk’ in English. So, our mind becomes heavy with all the ‘Junk’ it collects inside. Our minds can’t carry this burden. It gets tiring. When people get together in the society, they can’t talk to each other for a long time because; their mind is so heavy with the thoughts that they are tired. Even while talking to each other, they need to do something else like reading a book or watching a movie. They can’t sit together even for 10 minutes without those distractions. The more you keep your mind pure, the happier you will be. So while purifying our Chitta(attention), we should remember that this Chitta is going to take us to God. Once we know God, the rest of the things become easy to understand. Because when you get to the core of something, you understand the depth and extent of the thing very easily & in a subtler way. Hence, you should always keep your attention on your Chitta. Where is my Chitta (attention) going? The more your Chitta gets surrendered, the purer it becomes. It’s like as many times you take bath in the river Ganges (Holy River in India); you become purer every time. Then the biggest question arises, “Mother, How to surrender ourselves?” Now you know one way of surrendering yourselves which you have been practicing for years. As you have seen, a lady surrenders herself to Maa Gayatri or Shriram. We have this tradition in our country that almost every family in India, we have any one of the deities which is the deity for our whole family to whom we worship from generations to generations and we are completely surrendered to that deity. But we don’t gain anything from this kind of surrender. We attain a depth in this surrender for sure but we don’t achieve anything in that depth. It’s like we have a big ‘Ghada’ (earthen pot used in India to carry and store water) which is big and deep but its mouth (opening to pour water inside) is not directed towards the river Ganges. It is getting deeper but because its mouth is directed away from the river, the river water can’t flow inside the pot. Now if we direct the mouth of the pot towards the river, immediately the pot will be filled with the river water. So this is the biggest advantage for the people in our country. If someone is surrendered to Shriram or any other Incarnations of God, he just has to ask, “Mother, are you that Incarnation?” & vibrations start flowing through him instantly. See, how easy is Sahajayog? This has 2 benefits, Firstly, whatever hard work you have been doing to reach God until now is not wasted & secondly, you could identify me very easily. Now, you know all the incarnations that came on this earth before me. How people have tortured them and troubled them. But in this Incarnation, It was considered as to How to make people identify that this is the Incarnation of God. Because human beings are so egoistic, they are not ready to accept anyone as the Incarnation and when the incarnation leaves this earth, people come to know the truth about the incarnation. Then, they feel guilty, they cry. There was one gentleman. His name was T. Maniklal. I went for his treatment. He used to be always ill. He said, “Mother, I saw this weird dream in which I was sleeping in a room &my family was also there in the same room with me & you were in another room where people were worshiping you, doing you Puja but I couldn’t go there. I was trying to get up but I couldn’t. My family was just looking at me. I was trying to tell them ‘go and worship Shri Mataji, but I was unable to do anything” Actually, he was dreaming about his state after his death. Now he is no more. But how could I tell him that he was about to die and that time he was going to feel like that? He was dreaming about his condition after death. At that time he was dying. He told me about his dream 3-4 times & asked me to explain the meaning of his dream. He was getting this dream again and again. He said, “I always get this dream and my family is sitting there with me, crying for me but not going towards you (Shri Mataji). I try again and again to tell them to go to Shri Mataji and surrender, but I can’t. He asked many times about this dream in front of his family. But even now if I try to explain it to his family, they will not understand. So, in this country (India), this has become a very useful tool because we are already surrendered to any one of the deities. Even if those ‘Hare Rama, Hare Krishna’ people turn the mouths of their pots towards me (turn to me) and ask, “Mother, are you the Hare Rama, Hare Krishna to whom we have been worshipping all this time?” Then instantly their Vishuddhi chakra will get cleared and their pots will be filled with the river water (vibrations will start flowing through them). You all have already experienced these things. I am not telling you anything new. Whenever you give realization to someone, tell him to ask me first, “Mother, are you that same power to whom I have been worshiping all my life?” This works better in our country (India) than in any other country. Because, people over there, do not worship anyone. Most of them don’t listen to anyone other than themselves. It’s useless to talk about these things there. Because people are so much separated from each other that sometimes one doesn’t know whether his father is alive or not, I have seen many such people there. But it’s very easy in our country. If you ask them about the deity they worship and tell them to ask whether the mother is that deity or not. Also, you have to keep in mind that I am talking about any true Guru or true incarnation and not any weird person. So, if they ask this question 3 times, they should get their vibrations. Now, there was one lady who said, “Mother, I worship Renuka Devi” so, you should not consider Renuka Devi as an Incarnation specifically. People do many such things but normally if you ask about the very well-known Incarnations, this will happen immediately. Just put your hand on the liver while doing this step. So, when their attention (Chitta) knows that this is the same deity, slowly they understand. There is nothing to fear or feel awkward about this. (Anyways, you now know who am I). In the same way, when you asked me about who was I, I answered you (I gave you the truth). I am not scared to tell you that. I have always told you with full confidence, “yes this is the truth”. But People are so egoistic that as soon as they come to know this, they run after the person to hit him. For them, this is the biggest fear that someone has come into this world as God’s Incarnation because then, they feel that everything has been taken away from their hands. They feel that someone has snatched the whole world from them and they are left with nothing. They are finished now. Because they were thinking that they are the incarnations (wise people) themselves. This is the difficulty. So, as soon as they hear this kind of thing, they start doubting. But they are ready to worship deities who are dead thousands of years back. That’s ok for them. They will worship them. In Kashmir, the Gayatri mantra is very popular. All the bramhins chant the Gayatri mantra & they are suffering from all the problems in the world. Some of them say that we can’t leave this Gayatri and some of them say, “Mother, we didn’t get any benefit from Gayatri, we worshipped it so much. “They blame Gayatri that they did so much but still have so many problems, diseases, etc. that time, if you tell them to ask mother if she is Gayatri Devi, they will get realization within 5 minutes &all their machinery starts working. It’s like, you have connected some plug wrongly so the machine is not working but when you correct it &put the plug perfectly, the machine starts working perfectly. Like that you have to make people understand. It is not an easy task to get incarnated on this earth. It’s very difficult & to be born amid fools is even more difficult. Because if you try to tell them some wise things, they also have a way such that they will name you with some brand (Title). Maybe they will spread rumors about you that you are mad. But if you praise them saying, “they are very brilliant people & that even if they eat cow dung, that’s ok. Then, you will become a very good person in their view. But if you try to explain to them that whatever they are doing is wrong, they will not listen. Every true Guru does that. If it’s a false Guru, he won’t do it because he just wants your money. He will say do whatever you want, just pay me my money. So they (false Gurus) don’t have this problem. The problem starts when a true Guru comes and tries to explain to people what is wrong and what is right. Only a wise man can tell this. But then, people call him names, they spread rumors about him that he is mad or something. People also tease their fathers, mothers, and teachers. They make fun of them. Because they don’t understand what they are trying to tell, they just make fun of their parents and teachers. This is the modern way. In older days, people used to sit at Guru’s feet for hours, in the hope that Guru will guide them about their faults. Even now, the true Gurus make their disciples understand their own mistakes but their ways are difficult. I told you about one guru who broke someone’s legs and he was brought back to me. This way the gurus gave such punishment just to clear his agnya chakra. But then Guru himself is just a human being. Whenever true incarnations came on this earth, people troubled them. During Shrirama’s incarnation, Kaikeyi listened to her maid (servant). A wise woman like Kaikeyi listened to a servant and sent Shriram and Sitaji to the forest etc. Anyways, it was a planned work & it’s finished. During Krishna’s time, he couldn’t tell Geeta to anyone except Arjun alone. It’s not like he could collect 50 people & sit together and tell them. If Krishna would have told in front of many people, “सर्वधर्माणाम परित्यज्य, मामेकं शरणं रज” ( Sanskrit:- meaning – renounce all the beliefs, and surrender to me) then people would have named him with a funny title and made fun of him. It’s after his death that people are reading Geeta. Like Christ has said, “I am the light, I am the path”. But people named him with a brand (title) like he is egoistic or something. So, the job of an incarnation is very difficult. There is nothing more difficult than that. Firstly, you are a God who has come on this earth. Then living with human beings is even more difficult. Because you don’t have habits that normal human beings have & it’s even too much difficult to understand human beings. “Suppose, you are a human being, how will you understand a dog? Tell me, is that easy? It’s very difficult. Then how will you understand an insect? like, what are his habits? how does he manage to live in dirt? How much dirt he creates?” So, getting incarnated on this earth is not an easy task & if someone wants to get incarnated, he has to go through lots of hardships. But telling a lie, “I am an incarnation” is very easy. There is nothing easier than that e.g. if someone wants to establish a true business; he knows how difficult it is. But if someone wants to earn illegal money in the name of business; he will fool the government, take the money and show fake investments, grab money from here and there &run away to America. So, to fool people is very easy. If you fake yourself as a God, it’s easy. Someone says, “I am God. So, I want silver plates to eat, a Golden bucket to have a bath, a palace to live in, a Mercedes to travel” you have to supply everything because he is God. But for someone who is the real God. He will think, “I should become like these human beings. I should become a common man & forget those days when I used to live in a palace & was surrounded by all the luxuries when I was happy both inside and outside. I should forget all that & work hard, travel in villages, live in dust, save people, take their burden onto myself, give realization to them.” You can see how difficult it was for Shrikrishna. He came to Vrundavan from Mathura stayed there as a common cowherd, took all the troubles onto himself. Demons used to come again and again to kill him. How he used his powers of destruction, how he fought with the Kaliya snake. You know about all his life. You know about Shriram’s life, you know about Christ’s life, you know about Mohammad Sahab's life, you know about Zoroaster’s life. How many problems they had to face? How people tortured them &troubled them? So, what’s the difference between the two? ( True God and fake God?) The biggest difference is that the fake person lives in luxury, fools everyone, and acquires money. No one dares say anything against him. But the true God is always tortured by others. He works hard throughout his life, wears off like sandalwood, and fills the environment with its fragrance. The fake one says, “I will do everything for you, you will have no problem” and when someone complaints, he says, “those are your previous deeds that are backfiring” and people take it happily that’ their past deeds are bad so what can their Guru do about it?’ they think, “maybe I paid him less. If I have some more faith, maybe I will get my wish. So in the form of faith, something more (money) is given to him & it goes on, the lies will go on until that person is completely fooled and destroyed by the Guru. But the truth, the truth is very deep. It can’t be destroyed by money. Money is nothing in front of the truth. The truth connects to your heart, it can be felt. You have to put your efforts & that’s what human beings don’t want to do. It’s easy to buy something with money. As you buy anything with money, you buy a guru. There is nothing difficult in that. If you have money, you can buy whatever you want. So, you have bought your Guru. It’s easy. But here, people say, “oh, this guru is a trouble, he tells us to leave drinking, leave cigarette, leave tobacco, follow rules, you can’t leave your wife and run away.” Once, in Delhi, a gentleman came to me and said, “I am not happy with my wife & I love another woman”, I said, “Don’t tell such things to me please”. Immediately, I became an old-fashioned woman in his view and he named me with some title and went on to fulfill his desire. So, it’s a difficult task. But my question is. “Ok, you don’t want to listen to him (true guru), you don’t agree with him, not happy with his teachings. But my dear, have you ever thought about what good have you done to others in your whole life? It’s ok that you have a problem following whatever he is asking you to do but what good have you done for others till now? How much have you helped others? Have you ever carried the burdens of other people on your shoulders?” If you want to know whether someone is a true guru or a false one, there is only one way, that is a true guru cares for you & a false guru cares for your money. You have to see that for yourself. Now, there is a big question in front of all the sahajayogis that is, whether we should tell other people that ‘Mother is the Adishakti’ but this is not false. You like it or not, this is the truth. So we should in turn ask them, “We have already seen the rising Kundalini with our eyes. We have seen it pulsating, have you seen this anywhere else? Even when we raise our Kundalini, we don’t get as many vibrations as we get at Shri Mataji’s lotus feet. Has anyone seen a pulsating Kundalini? We have seen it with our eyes, numerous times. Kundalini starts rising when we surrender at mother’s lotus feet.” It’s written in Devi Mahatmya, in Lalita Sahastranaam that Kundalini rises at Mother’s Lotus feet. And if thousands of kundalinis are rising, there is surely something. So you tell them, “ how can’t we believe our own eyes?” I will tell you a joke. One gentleman went somewhere. He saw Sun and started thinking about whether it’s a sun or a moon. A fight started between two men whether it is the sun or the moon. A third person was passing by. They asked him whether it’s a sun or a moon. He said, “See, I am a foreigner, I don’t know” (laughter) Same way, for the people who don’t understand, just tell them, ‘We have seen & felt the rising Kundalini. How can we forget it?” also you can tell them to ask in the photograph,” Mother, are you Adishakti?” I have arranged for you to get the answer at the photograph. You know that God has created every small thing very specially. He has arranged every tiny detail miraculously. So, you have to tell them, “we have seen it with our eyes. If you want proof, come and ask at the photograph. You ask them straightaway. If the person is very bad then leave it. But if it’s a common man with a pure heart & if he is a seeker then he gets it instantly. It’s very easy to give realization in Sahajayog. But to do that it is necessary for you to achieve stability, to establish that trust within yourself. Until you are not confident about it, others will of course doubt you. Of course, when someone talks with authority, there is always a possibility that people will name you with a title. They use the words like, ‘ that lady has bewitched you’ or ‘you are mesmerized by her’ etc. but tell them, “How can we forget that we have seen Kundalini rising, vibrations flowing, people are getting realization? How can we forget?” But unless you become completely confident about yourself, people are not going to get impressed by you. There are many people here especially in Mumbai who know this thing very deeply. I always say, “There are fewer people here but each one is better than the other” comparatively, there are more people in Delhi but very few are confident about it. Of course, I also have worked hard on you but by God’s grace, we didn’t get lots of shallow people here. Otherwise, it would have been difficult. You should also be wise enough to recognize whether the person who is in front of you is worthy. Don’t waste your time on worthless people. e.g. this is your brother, you go on trying for him. When you know that your brother is a drinker, a gambler, he misbehaves with his wife & is a worthless person but even then you work hard on him because he is your brother then you are a fool. You should always first try for the people who are similar to you. Who are simple, normal. Try them first. But many people try to first bring their relations like their brother, their father, their wife, etc. & it becomes very difficult to correct them. Though, it is true that unless your family is into it, it is a bit difficult to get established in Sahajayog. If the whole family is in Sahajayog then it becomes easy. But the biggest question in front of today’s sahajayogis is, ‘Have you established yourself?’ you can’t do anything without establishing yourself. First of all, you establish yourself in Sahajayog. secondly, you have to see how many other people you can bring in. you light your lamp first properly. Then you think about how many other lamps you can light. You think about which person will be suitable for this. You have to work wisely. If you go and directly start chanting “Jai Mataji”, then you will lose it. You have to behave wisely. The right person will automatically reach you. I make them reach out to you. e.g. if someone is ill, someone left his wife, etc. these people directly come to you. But anyways, whenever something like that happens & that person comes to you, that’s good. But even when you want to go & talk to that person, the first thing that impresses him is your character, your behavior, etc. but if someone is not capable, he will misinterpret everything about you. If you have put kumkum, he will have an objection, if you haven’t, he will have an objection. I am not talking about such people. They are worthless. They are not going to get realization. It’s very difficult. So, there is no need to think about them but a normal person who you think can come in Sahajayog, you have to behave very wisely with him. First important thing is, how will he get impressed by you? If he has some level, he will understand just by seeing you that you have something different in you. If he hasn’t attained that level, he won’t be able to recognize you. He will look at your clothes, your shoes, etc. There was a gentleman from Nagpur, all of his family is following Radhaswamy except him. He used to fight them all saying, “ There is no change in you people, why are you following this guru? But when he met(UNCLEAR Mehtani), he understood that there is something different in this man. He talks with confidence so definitely, he has achieved something. Then he told his family, “now, I have got the real Guru because now I have achieved it.” If you have achieved it, then by your behavior, your way of communication, your confidence, others should feel that you have got it. If they feel that you have achieved that ‘state’, they will ask you, “How have you got it? How do you remain always calm? How have you become so sweet?”. Until that transformation happens within you, unless that sweetness and beauty shine within you, you can’t impress others. Of course, I am not talking about people who are superficial but simple, common people will recognize that there is something spiritual about this person. So, first of all, you have to establish yourself then you have to search for such people. The first identity is they should get impressed by your behavior. Many real Gurus used to hit people who came to them & then also if someone doesn’t run away from them, then they used to accept him as a disciple. But the situation is not the same now. Now you have to catch people like Christ said, “come, I will teach you how to catch human beings & you stop catching fishes”. Same way all of you should learn how to catch people and save them through this Bhavasagar. This is the biggest question in front of us. the biggest question in front of the sahajayogis is how to save people and it has to happen, no matter what. for that, whatever you have to do, whatever problems you need to face, you have to do it. you have to save people & bring them to Sahajayog. this is the only thing you have to do. and not that ‘my brother is not getting any job, my work is pending’ etc. these are not the things for you to worry about. The biggest work you do today is you are on the seashore and see the people who are drawing & try to save them. If we can’t do this then our realization is wasted. Everything is in vain. Today, at this place in Bordi, you all take an oath in your mind that ‘this is our aim that each person will save at least 1000 more people. you will have to work hard, to face problems, suffer but you have to do it calmly, wisely & try to save people. So, getting angry, shouting at others, getting upset, condemning yourself or others or thinking that we have done so much or we can’t do anything or trying to dominate others, or getting scared of others. all these things have to be stopped &with calm, stable mind & with confidence, you have to do this work. think about how to save more and more people. Once, we went to Rahuri & people were requested not to come to my feet for worshipping because there was swelling on my legs but people got hurt then I said ok, you can come to worship, let the swelling be. I will do something about it. I couldn’t upset them. It was their love but if they could understand that mother is suffering, it would have been better. But that’s ok. Somehow I want them to get it( realization), understand it. so, you too have to do this work considering yourself as an elder person to them or at a higher level of understanding than others. This is the thing you have to understand. You have to be wise. So, May you all establish this maturity within yourself & you all get enlightened with the light of God and enlighten others. this is my blessing to you all. (Shri Mataji is giving some instructions to Sahajayogis) It(Kundalini) carries the light with it. But if your attention is at the centre of the Agnya chakra, you don’t see the light. but if it is not passing through that(centre) then because your attention is outside, you see the light. because it is carrying the light also with it. but Kundalini is not passing through it. it's stuck up. So,because of that light, your eyes go like that. People even have seen the complete flow of light moving up like that but they don't feel the realization. they see it coming up to the Agnya but the whole thing drops back. they saw how Adi Kundalini was helping their Kundalini but since your attention is outside, the flickering of the light starts. then I tell you to fix up your eyes on my photograph. when you see towards my face, what happens the Chaitanya pushes you through your eyes into the centre. so that you see me as I am but the eyes are controlled by the Chaitanya. and the attention is pushed inside that aperture in the Agnya chakra. so, I always say that if your eyes are fluttering, please pay attention to me so that the Chaitanya works out through your eyes and fixes your attention to pass it through that(Agnya chakra). because the light starts spreading on all the sides, you see that light and your eyes go like that. you can't close your eyes. It’s the reason for that. One of the reasons for Nirvichara is that. But also Nirvichara is a way to express the Blessings of your Mother. When She wants to Bless you, you see. You wrote the letter, She was happy. Just to Bless you, you became Nirvichar. You see, it’s the Blessing. That’s how you….that’s the Grace, you see, that comes to you from your Mother that you become Nirvichar. That’s one has to remember. If you do the things that I tell you, I bless you very much because they are for your good, for your Kalyana (well-being), for your Mangal (auspicious). And that’s why you are blessed and that Blessing you feel as Nirvichara. Because I am Nirvichara myself. (Shri Mataji is having some discussion with sahajayogis)

3/28/1979

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Release of Advent, FICCI HALL (ANANT JEEVAN, ISSUE 1, July 1979) Our respected leader Shri Gulzari Lai Nanda, author of the book‘THE ADVENT’ Mr. Gregoire, members of the Sahajyoga Society of Delhi and Bombay and you all the seekers of Divine.I am so very thankful to all of you for giving me this opprtunity to stand before you and say a few words about Divinity and about God’s compassion and love for all the humanity that He has created. We are not aware or we do not know that we have become human beings thr’ His grace and thr’ His own doings not by our own efforts from ameaba stage to this stage of human awareness. We never think why God has made us human beings ? What is the purpose of our being itself? As I said today. Gandhiji always wanted we to be ‘Swatantra’ That time the meaning of was political free dom but today the meaning has changed, like a flower ultimately becomes the fruit. Swatantra means : Swa is your self, the being and tantra means its mechanism. We have to become the mechanism of our being. We are the instru ment of our being. This is what today Sahaj Yoga is manifesting. Sahaj, as you know very well, is Sah means ‘with’, ja means born with you Yoga is the right to be united with Divinity, with God almighty. That is your right as a human being because God has given you that special right that you have to be united with Divine, with God Almighty. This is Sahaj Yoga, but this has been working not today, has been working since long. But it’s a living process. If you understand a living process, the seed sprouts, becomes the shoot and the root, the shoot develops into a proper tree and then the flowers appear at the blossom time. Many fruits are manifested out of those flowers. In the same way the living pro cess of life started long longtime back and today we are at a point when blossom time has come and many have to receive self realisation. The time has come. Krishna has said rfbr i e. first I give you tfjJT and then srm All of them had said the same thing. The only difference is : the different stages of human evolution took place when all these incarnations came on thisearth.Incarnations have to come. If you reason it out you will understand why an incarnation is needed to come on this earih e g. if you are to be guided there are fewways by which unconscious can guide you. It can guide you through symbols which appear in your dreams about which Yoga & Froid have written a lot. There are so many other ways by certain happenings the unconscious, the Divine can guide you ; but it is all vague, extremely vague. The unconscious must have a mouth to explain itself. It must have proper body to be able to communicate what it has to say otherwise how are you going to have a rapport with unconscious. If you take the position, that everybody has got a guru within. Yes, it is so. Everyone has a guru w'ithin, no doubt but still the guru is asleep, means that guru is not in your conscious mind. You can not consciously talk to that guru. If you think that you hre talking to your guru or God before realisation, I think you are under some illusion. You cannot have any rapport with the divine unless and until you are realised, unless and until you know you are Atman, your Atma. Before that what ever you may try may create a depth in you, a cerenity in you, a character in you but still you can not have a direct rapport. You are to be connected. Now somebody has to do this job. That is why many incarnations came on this earth. But some how human beings do not like them. They have never liked them. The reason is man does not like himself. He cannot believe that in his life time an incarnation can come. If he knew how great he is what a great wonderous thing God has created in him, if he knew what a great mechanism is built within him self, he would not have resisted against incarnations. At the time of Rama He decided, it was decided, that he should not also remember that He is an incarnation of Shri Vishnu because even that memory may spoil the game. But you know Parshurama recognised Him. There was a trick in that. Parshurama is also an incarnation of ShriVishnu and Shri Ram is also an in carnation of Shri Vishnu. Why these two incarnations came together ? Because when Parshurama came, He was a strong man very strong, fiery, extremely fiery, and in those days people only cared for very strong people. He had captured the hearts of people through His fierce nature. In human beings there are of different levels at different times. Then when Rama came and when Parshurama recognised him then people had to recognise Rama, At the time of Shri Krishna when He came on this earth, today we worship him in the temple, we talk about him but when he was here you know he lived with ordinary milk-maids and cowboys in a village, as a very ordinary person and the people did not recognise him much. They played with him and in his play He displayed Sahaj Yoga. When Shri Rama went to all these places in search of Sitaji, He wanted to vibrate this motherland of yours. That is why He went without wearing any shoes or without anything between him and the Mother earth. When Krishna played his game of RAS : RA means energy, S means with energy, it was ano ther kind of play for Sahaj Yoga because at that time there were no such halls, there were not intellectuals, there were not people who were over-read, there were not people who were willing to come to a hall and sit down and listen to Shri Krishna. So he caught hold of people who were playful, played with them. When Radhaji went to the river Yamuna and put Her feet in the river, the vibrated water from Yamuna was carried on Her head. He used to break the pitcher w'ith a stone to allow that waler to fall and vibrate and when the milkmades carried that water on their heads he used to break it at the back so that whole water would fall on the Kundalini and Kundalini would rise. As a child when he played, Goptal Kala, when He tried to steal bread,butter which w'as kept in gifarr at top. It w'as a pyramid he created. On top of the pyramid he would stand, and the flow of Kundalini, with his feet, you see, he would press it on their heads. Now it was not possible in those days for any' one to stand like that to put the Kundalini in such a way that the flow comes to the Kundalini and the Kundalini rises. Even when his mother punished them for stealing butter and put them together, tied a piece of cloth from one naval to.another and he started moving the energy of Kundalini through that. There was a gentleman who got his realisation in America and I think he was one of th e gopes with Shri Krishna and he described this experience when he had never heard of Shri Krishna. This was the Rasa (rm), this was Radha (ttut), Ra is the one who sustain, dha is the energy. After-wards' Jesus christ came on this earth, He is nobody else but Mahavishnu - the one described in our books. I do not know how many read Devi Bhagvat. People have no time to read these outdated books . Mahavishnu was a special incarnation created, and when this Mahavis hnu came on this earth, it is all very beauti fully described in Devi Bhagvat, what he is going to do what he is going to be, what is his relationship with Krishna. Krishna is the Father that is why he1is called as Christ & Mary, the mother, was no body else but Radhaji Herself. It is all written in the Devi Bhagvat. I am not telling you a new story. Only thing I am giving a mouth to unconscious to tell you that you can verify it yourself. His name was Jesus because you know that in U.P ‘Yashoda’ is called as ‘Jasoda’. It is Jasoda’s name Radhaji wanted to give Him and that’s why called Him Jesu or Yeshu. Now if Lam telling you lies or if I am telling y'ou tall stories, how are you going to know ? Are you going to believe me whatever I say ? Is it proper that you should blindly believe me ? That would not be alright. That is not going to help you at all. But how are you going to know whether it is absolute truth or not You cannot know, because you are not yet on that level or state w'here you have re alised your Atma. Like this instrument that is created here it has to be put to the mains. You have to be put to your mains other wise you do not know even your meaning. Once you are put to your mains, you can ask the question, you can ask all the ab solute questions, every thing, even a question like Is there God or not ? Immediately you will get the vibrations flowing into you. About ME also you can ask questions. There are many ways of recognising because in this life, you have to recognise. You have never recognised an incarnation so far. You have to recognise. That is compulsory and that is done through Sahaj Yoga because unless and until you are realised, how are going to recognise them also ? But even if you have not recognised them, there was no need for you to crucify them or to torture. Then all the gurus who came on this earth, the real ones, Fakes are never gurus. They are not gurus. The real ones that came on this earth, say, we can say Moses, Abraham, Nanak, Mohammed Sahib, Kabir, all these are incarnations of Primordial Master whom we call as “ Dattatreya” . If they are or not, if Mohammed Sahib and Guru Nanak are the same personality, same people who came in different times then what justice are we doing to them ? How are we to find out ? How are you to believe me about it ? I will give you an example. There was a Muslim gentleman from Iran who came to sec me, who was suffering from cancer. He asked me : Mother, I want to get cured. I said "you a Muslim", he said ‘‘Yes, I only believe in Mohammed Sahib and no body else !” I said this would be something like that I only believe in my nose, and not in anything else. He was such a fanatic and fanaticism brings about the cancer of Nabhi Chakra as we call it, the stomach. You will be amazed fanaticism is Sin, Sinful. It gives you the cancer of stomach. I asked him ‘Will you worship Nanak Sahib T ’ He said, ‘No, why should I ? I am a muslim.’ I said, ‘Do you know Mohammed Sahib himself is angry with you and you have to worship Nanak. He would not but it happened for months and then he had to accept. Any extreme behaviour of this kind is prohibited in all the religions. When Nanak came or when even our Shirdi Sainath came, they talked about Sadachar. Even the Goddess’s name is Sadachar Pravartika. Sadachar is the most important thing. The dhanna is the most important thing. One has to be in Dharma. If you are adharmi how do you expect me to give you realisation, you just tell me. Today I went to see a tailor of mine who was saying “ Mother if I am bad you tell me but why should not I get realisation. I said, ‘true, why should not you?' Alright ask a question ‘Mother are you Nanak ?’ He asked me the question. Normally the vibrations start but would not. Hesaid,” what has happened to me,” I said, “ see where -is your Surati”. Nanak has described ‘Kundilini’ as ‘Surati’. His Kundalini was pulsating at Nabhi. You could see with your naked eye. His friend or his proprietor was also seeing that. It was pulsating there. I said “ you have a liver. Do you drink ?” He said, “ I drink quite a lot.” Then 1 said “ how do you expect me to give you realisation in the name of Nanak who has prohibited all this?” When I say this people brand me as anything. Licensiveness and permissiveness is not the way of religion by any norms, by any measure. They are translated in Hindi, if yousee them, the words are s/fa In Indian languages there is nothing like licensiveness and permissiveness as a good word. It is a bad thing. Absolutely it is wrong. It is very fashionable these daysto become sort of a disciple of a guru ! It is a fashion these days Divinity is not a fashion. It is the way of life. It is the need of your being, You have to be that Guru, shopping is on; people are going and1shop ping for Gurus. How can you pay for Gods, work ? Christ, the person, who forg ve the people who crucified him withthe shopkeepers who were selling things in front of the church What about selling the church itself, selling the God himself? How can that be religion ? You have to know that truth is not going to fall at your feet You hare to fall at the feet of truth if you want to achieve it. But it has happened before many a times and you did not recognise You did not recognise You did not like them. You do not like people who tell you about the truth. People had always made fun of such people. You have not one but many in this country it self. We had people like Tukaram, Jya- neshwar. Thousands would go after some thing that is falsehood and how many disciples did they have ? The fakes are very clever. They know how to tamper your ego. I am your mother. I have to tell you the truth whether you like it or not. They just Pamper your ego. The first way is to say that you can purchase them. You can pay for it. So you do it. You have paid for it and you go on with it because you have paid for it. After all we have paid we should some-how make good of whatever we have paid. Then the second thing they do is to pamper your ego by saying that you cm do something about, it They will make you stand on your head, they will make you jump, they will make you frogs, I do not what all kinds of things they do. So you think, “ we have sacrificed such a lot'for God !” It is very difficult for a human being to feel and understand that you cannot do anything about it. Only thing, you keep in balance. Do not over-do things. Do not go to ati (xrfjr), to extreme.This is the simple thing human beings are to do. Human beings do not want to be simple. They want to be complicated. There was no need for people to go to such extremes as to spoil all the chakras within yourself, why ? After all you have become human being from ameaba without doing anything and if you have to become some thing more it is God’s job. He is doing for His own sake. When you feel the need, when you are seeking, that is also God’s job. So the Kundalini is placed within you. It is the residual power within you, God has placed it. It is there to give your rebirth. It is your Mother. It is the holiest of holy. We have forgotten the word holy now-a-days because it is not fashionable for people to be holy. People are afraid to say that you have to be holy because it offends people. To be righteous is another thing very important. All the ten commandments described in the Bible describe all the ten dharmas we have to have. Gandhiji, also, has described them. We never understand that Gandhiji’s coming was a historical event for us, is the base of Sahajyoga, absolutely. If you read this book (The Advent) you will know, what follies so called deve loped countries have committed and into what ditch they had fallen into ? But we are so pseudo westernised that we do not like these ideas. We do not want to hear anything against this. This is the sad part. 1am not against western people or eastern people but what I am trying to say is that if we commit one kind of sin, they commit another kind. We commit the sin that we do not believe that God almighty is our Father, that He ha* created us and that He is going to look after us in thick and thin.He is the one who has said tfrir san the one who has given us n'm ; first you get your Yoga, then your will be looked after. Yes it will be, but first get your Yoga, will be looked after, is promised. It is time for you to find out if it is true or not but first get your jjIjt. Then your will be looked after. Then you will give up all these corrupt ideas and the corrupt ways we are living in this country. It is absolutely ridiculous and absurd the way we are. We get rid of this as soon as we get our realisation,because our priorities change. We feel so secure within ourselves. As soon as we know ourselves, we feel so happy. We feel so relaxed that we give up all these corrupt ideas Because we are insecure, that is why we take to these corrupt methods. Because once you know the meaning of self (Swarth) people think is selfishness, it is not the Sanskrit word means ‘the meaning of self’. If you know the meaning of self, you feel so secure, so happy with yourself because it is such a joy giving, it is such a powerful thing that you just do not want to compro mise with all these useless worldly things. You do not think that they are of any impor tance. You just go through them without paying much importance. Your whole being is transformed. But that has to happen. In the same way, in the west people commit sin again the Mother. They will not steal anything if they come to your house. No, they will not touch even if there is a diamond ring lying they will not touch, but they may runaway with your wife, may run away with your daughter. They have no objection and even the daughter may not have any objection. Whole society does not have any objection as if this is the only dharma they have to look after. It is amazing For an Indian it is shocking when he see all these things. So we have to understand that if we are committing this kind of foolish thing, also can be forgiven by God because He is the ocean of forgiveness. She is guru Nanaki. She is Daya Sagar. He has to do it because he hastocomplete His creation. Sobe assured about it that Sahajyoga is your fundame ntal right, is the one that God has bestowed upon you, is going to happen to all of you but why also argue about it. There are so many people who come—‘Mother Kundalini raising is very difficult. That you can only raise it upto Nabhi or something like that. We can live upto the ten dwaras and all sorts of ideas. But supposing this is done through this being just like that. There must br something with ME. I know the job. The one who does not know the job, suppo sing 1 do not know how to put this right I cannot. Whatever I may try I may break this. 1 may break that, I may go here and there. I may break the plug. But If I am a mechanic. I know' the job. I can do it That is the only difference butfor that why should you be so much hurt. I mean you know so many things w'hich I do not know. I do not know’ how tocash a cheque. You will be amazed. Till this day I do not know how to cash a cheque. Somebody has to guide me how to write a cheque I am so hopeless in so many things. But if I know another thing why should you be so angry with me for that ? Why should it hurt you ? And if I am going to give you, what you have been asking for, the physical, the mental, the emotional and the spiritual being is within you, all that is there All your sciences, all your enterprises, all your knowledge is analytical. You treat somebody for one eye, you need another doctor for the other eye, something like that. But this is something else. This is what I am talking about your under currents, which ultimately becomes one current. That is what you have to get. Once you get it, you yourself start manevou- ring it, it starts flowing through you. It is always being promised to you. Kundalini knowledge is very much known to us. Actually we are so much englishized, thanks to lord Mackaule that a very few people who even know the word Kundalini. If you read Kabir, the whole thing, Kabir is nothing but Sahaj Yoga. How many of you read Kabir ? For fashion sake even if they read they dont know what he is talking about. Nanak has talked about it. Jynashwara has talked about it. Christ has talked about it that I will appear before you like tons of {lames. What is the meaning? Christians do not know about it. So it is being promised. Adi Shankaracharya, of course, the greatest son of our country has described it so elaborately, but those who call themselves also Hindus, do they know the word Kundalini ? While throughout in the Markandeya Puran, such a great sage, the one who has not read the Markandeya, 1 would not call him an Indian at all. One of the greatest sages of this country is Markendeya who has written a complete knowledge about the Devi to such a little extent, to such a small detail that you will be so surprised, how he could see all these things. Did he enter into the body of Devi to find out these small small minute things ? But all this we have done in this country much more than any other country. There will be Prakopa (spfil't) of Devi. There will be fury of Goddess. You do not know when it will be. If you have to go out, you have to take half an hour to get ready to go out otherwise you are finished. The nature is so misadjusted, it is so furious still that it is to be balanced, brought to proper levels, was done by our Rishis long time back. They harnessed the nature by doing 'Yagnas' It is because of their Yagnas only, we have been to discover sciences. We have discovered sciences long time back. At the time of Rama, we knew about Viman (air craft). This was all done by our Rishis because they did not have to fight outside so much. We can live in a forest. Really we can live in a forest without difficulty. That is how we have been able to find out about innerbeing. This is ‘The ‘Yogabhumi’ and you are the ‘Yogis.’ You are the special ones to be born in this country. You have to do great Tapasaya (rTIFtn) to have a great Sampda but we are not aware of it.In this country, in this great country of ours, Sahaj Yoga was to be born in this new way. When I was born, my father was him self a realised soul in my family. He was a great man and he told me that unless and until you find out a method by which the common people get this realisation, no body is going to accept God because one or two flowers here and there do not convince people of God. You have to work it out. My mother also knew about it. Till her death. She was asking me, “have youbeen able to find out or not. ?” When I told her, I have, she was very happy.It is a mass experience today. It has to be. It is a mass experience, no doubt. In villages, it works much faster than in the cities, because city people are very complica ted, very artificial They try to dodge the truth every time. They are over read. Kabir has said—Just imagine what a contrast ! Panditas have become stupid by reading too much. What does that mean that we condition ourself with all kinds of knowledge whether it is knowledge or non-knowledge, whetherVidya or Avidya (fam ur *rfe?n). Vidya & Avidya—we cannot discrimate between the two and we get all the things that are not congenial to this beautiful human personality of ours. We consume it. We go on consuming it, destroying ourselve all the time and anybody who comes up with an idea that you are destroying yourselves, we brand him—oh ! he is the school master, or something more I do not know. In England they have real definite words of describing such horrible people who tell you not to destroy yourself. This is modern style of crucification, I call it. Because nosv you cannot crucify Christ. So you are going to crucify Him like this. Anything about self preservation is wrong. We must preach self destruction - Is this the way arc we going to achieve for which God has created us? But why, I cannot understand because ifby getting self realisation, you get that bliss, that joy, that happiness, and you also become collective conscious, what we call in Hindi— STTJrfp? %rPTT, you become. It is an actualiza tion, you start feeling another person. It is not brain-washing, just telling you that he is my brother. f|?sY =EfMt vnf--*TT#-All that is not done. It just happens. You start working outthat way.lt is a part and parcel of your being. If it is so why not have it. Why not try and get it ?I know it is a very big thing to say that you have to recognise an incarnation. I am avoid ing for the last so many years of my age. Even Shri Krishna dare not do it. He said :-Give up all the dharmas & follow me.Christ said ‘I am the light. I am the path’— He was crucified.It is tactless to say these things-people know and I am very tactful.Normally I would not come into your askings. But one has to find out. One has to find out, One has to find out not ME but yourself. First find out yourself then you will know me. As I said, I am your mother. I have to work it out. You have to be-reborn. That is your right. Better have it. Better get it. For ME you are just children. Whether you quarrel with me, you tight with me or you argue with me or if you are humbleto me and surrender to me - you are my CHILDREN. The one who are sensible will get it faster, those who are not, will get it later - but all of you who are here must get it. Now for such a short time I cannot tell you all elaborately, what are the advantages of Sahaj Yoga but the e is nothing else but ‘Sahaj Yoga” which is advantageous because your physical being gets alright, you get rid of most of the doctors; your emotional beings receives balance; your mental being jumps into thoughtless awareness and your spiritual beings becomes that is sat- chit-anand. You become collectively conscious Your priorities change. All this happens to you It is a revolution inside out. It is the revolution within yourself -that all yourself gets integrated and you change yourself entirely automatically. Now somebody says that I cannot give up drinking. I say alright, come along. Have your realization. After realisation be does not drink at all, just does not drink. He forgets. If he tries to take, he vomits. You become that. Do you know by becoming human being, you know so many things. You know the shape ofthis room, you know the colour combination* you know the beauty, you can feel the dirt and filth. You can smell it. An animal cannot.In the same way, when you get realised, you can see the dirt and filth of morality. No body has to preach you. You just do not like it. You do not like such a person who talks of thesethings because you start getting burn ing on your hand. You do not like it-you feel heavy in your head. You do not like it. You just get away from such a company. You do not like a word against God. You cannot enjoy anything that does not have the beauty of God. You just talk about it. Now, we have here many Sahajyogis. In Delhi itself we have lots of Sahaj Yogis. If you go and just listen to them, you will be amazed, they will be just talking about God Nothing else but about God. They have no i other enjoyment. They do not believe in gossips, they do not believe in any criticism or anything. They are not bothered about what money they have got but they are just enjoying the Divine that is flowing. They will just give their experiences. “I was sitting in meditation, breeze came on me and I felt so happy.” They will only describe all the things how they have cured people. How the people have been cured by them. You do not say 1 cured. All this happens to you. You can imagine Gregoire has done 419 pages of Sahaj Yoga. He has written such a big book and they have done 85 tapes in London Still they say ,‘Mother every time you always say something new.’ But you just get into it and start enjoying every wave that comes. simple thing.Why not have it ?This is the ‘If you do not like ME being here what can I do. This is how it has to be. But then somebody is going to come. As Gregoire has pointed out—is a fact and then it will be last sorting out. There would not be any arguments. There would not be any realisation. Nothing, it is just sorting out. So let us have it. It is the thing that has to work out within all of you and it has to happen to you and if does not happen, you should not be upset. It will happen to you, if not today, tomorrow. It has to happen. There is nothing to criticise if it does not happen today. Nothing to get angry. More over it is a very subtle happening. It happens en-mass but again you have to settle down. We have no centre as such We have not been able to get such a place so far because 1 have made one compulsion that we shall not pay any black money for any land and so we have not got an inch of land in this country. In London I have got a place where I can say this is my set. But still there is somebody’s house we are using now. You can get the address. Please, after realisation also, do attend the programmes. It is a very humble place. In a big hall people think, it is prestigious to go there and that is how people think that you should get your realisation in a prestigious place. But God always goes to the humble people. So humble down yourself in your hearts and come to the centres and try to establish yourself. We have many Sahajyogis like that—they just come when 1 am here and then say, “ Mother we lost all the vibra tions”. “Did you go to your Centres”. They would say, “No, mother we did not”. Because they are too big, they have big cars and they are big people. Before God, no body is big or great. We have to know that He is God almighty who is all powerful. He is the Highest. We have to be really humble about it if we want to kindle the light within us and also if we have to main tain that light kindled all the time.May God bless you.

Release of Advent, FICCI HALL (ANANT JEEVAN, ISSUE 1, July 1979) Our respected leader Shri Gulzari Lai Nanda, author of the book‘THE ADVENT’ Mr. Gregoire, members of the Sahajyoga Society of Delhi and Bombay and you all the seekers of Divine.I am so very thankful to all of you for giving me this opprtunity to stand before you and say a few words about Divinity and about God’s compassion and love for all the humanity that He has created. We are not aware or we do not know that we have become human beings thr’ His grace and thr’ His own doings not by our own efforts from ameaba stage to this stage of human awareness. We never think why God has made us human beings ? What is the purpose of our being itself? As I said today. Gandhiji always wanted we to be ‘Swatantra’ That time the meaning of was political free dom but today the meaning has changed, like a flower ultimately becomes the fruit. Swatantra means : Swa is your self, the being and tantra means its mechanism. We have to become the mechanism of our being. We are the instru ment of our being. This is what today Sahaj Yoga is manifesting. Sahaj, as you know very well, is Sah means ‘with’, ja means born with you Yoga is the right to be united with Divinity, with God almighty. That is your right as a human being because God has given you that special right that you have to be united with Divine, with God Almighty. This is Sahaj Yoga, but this has been working not today, has been working since long. But it’s a living process. If you understand a living process, the seed sprouts, becomes the shoot and the root, the shoot develops into a proper tree and then the flowers appear at the blossom time. Many fruits are manifested out of those flowers. In the same way the living pro cess of life started long longtime back and today we are at a point when blossom time has come and many have to receive self realisation. The time has come. Krishna has said rfbr i e. first I give you tfjJT and then srm All of them had said the same thing. The only difference is : the different stages of human evolution took place when all these incarnations came on thisearth.Incarnations have to come. If you reason it out you will understand why an incarnation is needed to come on this earih e g. if you are to be guided there are fewways by which unconscious can guide you. It can guide you through symbols which appear in your dreams about which Yoga & Froid have written a lot. There are so many other ways by certain happenings the unconscious, the Divine can guide you ; but it is all vague, extremely vague. The unconscious must have a mouth to explain itself. It must have proper body to be able to communicate what it has to say otherwise how are you going to have a rapport with unconscious. If you take the position, that everybody has got a guru within. Yes, it is so. Everyone has a guru w'ithin, no doubt but still the guru is asleep, means that guru is not in your conscious mind. You can not consciously talk to that guru. If you think that you hre talking to your guru or God before realisation, I think you are under some illusion. You cannot have any rapport with the divine unless and until you are realised, unless and until you know you are Atman, your Atma. Before that what ever you may try may create a depth in you, a cerenity in you, a character in you but still you can not have a direct rapport. You are to be connected. Now somebody has to do this job. That is why many incarnations came on this earth. But some how human beings do not like them. They have never liked them. The reason is man does not like himself. He cannot believe that in his life time an incarnation can come. If he knew how great he is what a great wonderous thing God has created in him, if he knew what a great mechanism is built within him self, he would not have resisted against incarnations. At the time of Rama He decided, it was decided, that he should not also remember that He is an incarnation of Shri Vishnu because even that memory may spoil the game. But you know Parshurama recognised Him. There was a trick in that. Parshurama is also an incarnation of ShriVishnu and Shri Ram is also an in carnation of Shri Vishnu. Why these two incarnations came together ? Because when Parshurama came, He was a strong man very strong, fiery, extremely fiery, and in those days people only cared for very strong people. He had captured the hearts of people through His fierce nature. In human beings there are of different levels at different times. Then when Rama came and when Parshurama recognised him then people had to recognise Rama, At the time of Shri Krishna when He came on this earth, today we worship him in the temple, we talk about him but when he was here you know he lived with ordinary milk-maids and cowboys in a village, as a very ordinary person and the people did not recognise him much. They played with him and in his play He displayed Sahaj Yoga. When Shri Rama went to all these places in search of Sitaji, He wanted to vibrate this motherland of yours. That is why He went without wearing any shoes or without anything between him and the Mother earth. When Krishna played his game of RAS : RA means energy, S means with energy, it was ano ther kind of play for Sahaj Yoga because at that time there were no such halls, there were not intellectuals, there were not people who were over-read, there were not people who were willing to come to a hall and sit down and listen to Shri Krishna. So he caught hold of people who were playful, played with them. When Radhaji went to the river Yamuna and put Her feet in the river, the vibrated water from Yamuna was carried on Her head. He used to break the pitcher w'ith a stone to allow that waler to fall and vibrate and when the milkmades carried that water on their heads he used to break it at the back so that whole water would fall on the Kundalini and Kundalini would rise. As a child when he played, Goptal Kala, when He tried to steal bread,butter which w'as kept in gifarr at top. It w'as a pyramid he created. On top of the pyramid he would stand, and the flow of Kundalini, with his feet, you see, he would press it on their heads. Now it was not possible in those days for any' one to stand like that to put the Kundalini in such a way that the flow comes to the Kundalini and the Kundalini rises. Even when his mother punished them for stealing butter and put them together, tied a piece of cloth from one naval to.another and he started moving the energy of Kundalini through that. There was a gentleman who got his realisation in America and I think he was one of th e gopes with Shri Krishna and he described this experience when he had never heard of Shri Krishna. This was the Rasa (rm), this was Radha (ttut), Ra is the one who sustain, dha is the energy. After-wards' Jesus christ came on this earth, He is nobody else but Mahavishnu - the one described in our books. I do not know how many read Devi Bhagvat. People have no time to read these outdated books . Mahavishnu was a special incarnation created, and when this Mahavis hnu came on this earth, it is all very beauti fully described in Devi Bhagvat, what he is going to do what he is going to be, what is his relationship with Krishna. Krishna is the Father that is why he1is called as Christ & Mary, the mother, was no body else but Radhaji Herself. It is all written in the Devi Bhagvat. I am not telling you a new story. Only thing I am giving a mouth to unconscious to tell you that you can verify it yourself. His name was Jesus because you know that in U.P ‘Yashoda’ is called as ‘Jasoda’. It is Jasoda’s name Radhaji wanted to give Him and that’s why called Him Jesu or Yeshu. Now if Lam telling you lies or if I am telling y'ou tall stories, how are you going to know ? Are you going to believe me whatever I say ? Is it proper that you should blindly believe me ? That would not be alright. That is not going to help you at all. But how are you going to know whether it is absolute truth or not You cannot know, because you are not yet on that level or state w'here you have re alised your Atma. Like this instrument that is created here it has to be put to the mains. You have to be put to your mains other wise you do not know even your meaning. Once you are put to your mains, you can ask the question, you can ask all the ab solute questions, every thing, even a question like Is there God or not ? Immediately you will get the vibrations flowing into you. About ME also you can ask questions. There are many ways of recognising because in this life, you have to recognise. You have never recognised an incarnation so far. You have to recognise. That is compulsory and that is done through Sahaj Yoga because unless and until you are realised, how are going to recognise them also ? But even if you have not recognised them, there was no need for you to crucify them or to torture. Then all the gurus who came on this earth, the real ones, Fakes are never gurus. They are not gurus. The real ones that came on this earth, say, we can say Moses, Abraham, Nanak, Mohammed Sahib, Kabir, all these are incarnations of Primordial Master whom we call as “ Dattatreya” . If they are or not, if Mohammed Sahib and Guru Nanak are the same personality, same people who came in different times then what justice are we doing to them ? How are we to find out ? How are you to believe me about it ? I will give you an example. There was a Muslim gentleman from Iran who came to sec me, who was suffering from cancer. He asked me : Mother, I want to get cured. I said "you a Muslim", he said ‘‘Yes, I only believe in Mohammed Sahib and no body else !” I said this would be something like that I only believe in my nose, and not in anything else. He was such a fanatic and fanaticism brings about the cancer of Nabhi Chakra as we call it, the stomach. You will be amazed fanaticism is Sin, Sinful. It gives you the cancer of stomach. I asked him ‘Will you worship Nanak Sahib T ’ He said, ‘No, why should I ? I am a muslim.’ I said, ‘Do you know Mohammed Sahib himself is angry with you and you have to worship Nanak. He would not but it happened for months and then he had to accept. Any extreme behaviour of this kind is prohibited in all the religions. When Nanak came or when even our Shirdi Sainath came, they talked about Sadachar. Even the Goddess’s name is Sadachar Pravartika. Sadachar is the most important thing. The dhanna is the most important thing. One has to be in Dharma. If you are adharmi how do you expect me to give you realisation, you just tell me. Today I went to see a tailor of mine who was saying “ Mother if I am bad you tell me but why should not I get realisation. I said, ‘true, why should not you?' Alright ask a question ‘Mother are you Nanak ?’ He asked me the question. Normally the vibrations start but would not. Hesaid,” what has happened to me,” I said, “ see where -is your Surati”. Nanak has described ‘Kundilini’ as ‘Surati’. His Kundalini was pulsating at Nabhi. You could see with your naked eye. His friend or his proprietor was also seeing that. It was pulsating there. I said “ you have a liver. Do you drink ?” He said, “ I drink quite a lot.” Then 1 said “ how do you expect me to give you realisation in the name of Nanak who has prohibited all this?” When I say this people brand me as anything. Licensiveness and permissiveness is not the way of religion by any norms, by any measure. They are translated in Hindi, if yousee them, the words are s/fa In Indian languages there is nothing like licensiveness and permissiveness as a good word. It is a bad thing. Absolutely it is wrong. It is very fashionable these daysto become sort of a disciple of a guru ! It is a fashion these days Divinity is not a fashion. It is the way of life. It is the need of your being, You have to be that Guru, shopping is on; people are going and1shop ping for Gurus. How can you pay for Gods, work ? Christ, the person, who forg ve the people who crucified him withthe shopkeepers who were selling things in front of the church What about selling the church itself, selling the God himself? How can that be religion ? You have to know that truth is not going to fall at your feet You hare to fall at the feet of truth if you want to achieve it. But it has happened before many a times and you did not recognise You did not recognise You did not like them. You do not like people who tell you about the truth. People had always made fun of such people. You have not one but many in this country it self. We had people like Tukaram, Jya- neshwar. Thousands would go after some thing that is falsehood and how many disciples did they have ? The fakes are very clever. They know how to tamper your ego. I am your mother. I have to tell you the truth whether you like it or not. They just Pamper your ego. The first way is to say that you can purchase them. You can pay for it. So you do it. You have paid for it and you go on with it because you have paid for it. After all we have paid we should some-how make good of whatever we have paid. Then the second thing they do is to pamper your ego by saying that you cm do something about, it They will make you stand on your head, they will make you jump, they will make you frogs, I do not what all kinds of things they do. So you think, “ we have sacrificed such a lot'for God !” It is very difficult for a human being to feel and understand that you cannot do anything about it. Only thing, you keep in balance. Do not over-do things. Do not go to ati (xrfjr), to extreme.This is the simple thing human beings are to do. Human beings do not want to be simple. They want to be complicated. There was no need for people to go to such extremes as to spoil all the chakras within yourself, why ? After all you have become human being from ameaba without doing anything and if you have to become some thing more it is God’s job. He is doing for His own sake. When you feel the need, when you are seeking, that is also God’s job. So the Kundalini is placed within you. It is the residual power within you, God has placed it. It is there to give your rebirth. It is your Mother. It is the holiest of holy. We have forgotten the word holy now-a-days because it is not fashionable for people to be holy. People are afraid to say that you have to be holy because it offends people. To be righteous is another thing very important. All the ten commandments described in the Bible describe all the ten dharmas we have to have. Gandhiji, also, has described them. We never understand that Gandhiji’s coming was a historical event for us, is the base of Sahajyoga, absolutely. If you read this book (The Advent) you will know, what follies so called deve loped countries have committed and into what ditch they had fallen into ? But we are so pseudo westernised that we do not like these ideas. We do not want to hear anything against this. This is the sad part. 1am not against western people or eastern people but what I am trying to say is that if we commit one kind of sin, they commit another kind. We commit the sin that we do not believe that God almighty is our Father, that He ha* created us and that He is going to look after us in thick and thin.He is the one who has said tfrir san the one who has given us n'm ; first you get your Yoga, then your will be looked after. Yes it will be, but first get your Yoga, will be looked after, is promised. It is time for you to find out if it is true or not but first get your jjIjt. Then your will be looked after. Then you will give up all these corrupt ideas and the corrupt ways we are living in this country. It is absolutely ridiculous and absurd the way we are. We get rid of this as soon as we get our realisation,because our priorities change. We feel so secure within ourselves. As soon as we know ourselves, we feel so happy. We feel so relaxed that we give up all these corrupt ideas Because we are insecure, that is why we take to these corrupt methods. Because once you know the meaning of self (Swarth) people think is selfishness, it is not the Sanskrit word means ‘the meaning of self’. If you know the meaning of self, you feel so secure, so happy with yourself because it is such a joy giving, it is such a powerful thing that you just do not want to compro mise with all these useless worldly things. You do not think that they are of any impor tance. You just go through them without paying much importance. Your whole being is transformed. But that has to happen. In the same way, in the west people commit sin again the Mother. They will not steal anything if they come to your house. No, they will not touch even if there is a diamond ring lying they will not touch, but they may runaway with your wife, may run away with your daughter. They have no objection and even the daughter may not have any objection. Whole society does not have any objection as if this is the only dharma they have to look after. It is amazing For an Indian it is shocking when he see all these things. So we have to understand that if we are committing this kind of foolish thing, also can be forgiven by God because He is the ocean of forgiveness. She is guru Nanaki. She is Daya Sagar. He has to do it because he hastocomplete His creation. Sobe assured about it that Sahajyoga is your fundame ntal right, is the one that God has bestowed upon you, is going to happen to all of you but why also argue about it. There are so many people who come—‘Mother Kundalini raising is very difficult. That you can only raise it upto Nabhi or something like that. We can live upto the ten dwaras and all sorts of ideas. But supposing this is done through this being just like that. There must br something with ME. I know the job. The one who does not know the job, suppo sing 1 do not know how to put this right I cannot. Whatever I may try I may break this. 1 may break that, I may go here and there. I may break the plug. But If I am a mechanic. I know' the job. I can do it That is the only difference butfor that why should you be so much hurt. I mean you know so many things w'hich I do not know. I do not know’ how tocash a cheque. You will be amazed. Till this day I do not know how to cash a cheque. Somebody has to guide me how to write a cheque I am so hopeless in so many things. But if I know another thing why should you be so angry with me for that ? Why should it hurt you ? And if I am going to give you, what you have been asking for, the physical, the mental, the emotional and the spiritual being is within you, all that is there All your sciences, all your enterprises, all your knowledge is analytical. You treat somebody for one eye, you need another doctor for the other eye, something like that. But this is something else. This is what I am talking about your under currents, which ultimately becomes one current. That is what you have to get. Once you get it, you yourself start manevou- ring it, it starts flowing through you. It is always being promised to you. Kundalini knowledge is very much known to us. Actually we are so much englishized, thanks to lord Mackaule that a very few people who even know the word Kundalini. If you read Kabir, the whole thing, Kabir is nothing but Sahaj Yoga. How many of you read Kabir ? For fashion sake even if they read they dont know what he is talking about. Nanak has talked about it. Jynashwara has talked about it. Christ has talked about it that I will appear before you like tons of {lames. What is the meaning? Christians do not know about it. So it is being promised. Adi Shankaracharya, of course, the greatest son of our country has described it so elaborately, but those who call themselves also Hindus, do they know the word Kundalini ? While throughout in the Markandeya Puran, such a great sage, the one who has not read the Markandeya, 1 would not call him an Indian at all. One of the greatest sages of this country is Markendeya who has written a complete knowledge about the Devi to such a little extent, to such a small detail that you will be so surprised, how he could see all these things. Did he enter into the body of Devi to find out these small small minute things ? But all this we have done in this country much more than any other country. There will be Prakopa (spfil't) of Devi. There will be fury of Goddess. You do not know when it will be. If you have to go out, you have to take half an hour to get ready to go out otherwise you are finished. The nature is so misadjusted, it is so furious still that it is to be balanced, brought to proper levels, was done by our Rishis long time back. They harnessed the nature by doing 'Yagnas' It is because of their Yagnas only, we have been to discover sciences. We have discovered sciences long time back. At the time of Rama, we knew about Viman (air craft). This was all done by our Rishis because they did not have to fight outside so much. We can live in a forest. Really we can live in a forest without difficulty. That is how we have been able to find out about innerbeing. This is ‘The ‘Yogabhumi’ and you are the ‘Yogis.’ You are the special ones to be born in this country. You have to do great Tapasaya (rTIFtn) to have a great Sampda but we are not aware of it.In this country, in this great country of ours, Sahaj Yoga was to be born in this new way. When I was born, my father was him self a realised soul in my family. He was a great man and he told me that unless and until you find out a method by which the common people get this realisation, no body is going to accept God because one or two flowers here and there do not convince people of God. You have to work it out. My mother also knew about it. Till her death. She was asking me, “have youbeen able to find out or not. ?” When I told her, I have, she was very happy.It is a mass experience today. It has to be. It is a mass experience, no doubt. In villages, it works much faster than in the cities, because city people are very complica ted, very artificial They try to dodge the truth every time. They are over read. Kabir has said—Just imagine what a contrast ! Panditas have become stupid by reading too much. What does that mean that we condition ourself with all kinds of knowledge whether it is knowledge or non-knowledge, whetherVidya or Avidya (fam ur *rfe?n). Vidya & Avidya—we cannot discrimate between the two and we get all the things that are not congenial to this beautiful human personality of ours. We consume it. We go on consuming it, destroying ourselve all the time and anybody who comes up with an idea that you are destroying yourselves, we brand him—oh ! he is the school master, or something more I do not know. In England they have real definite words of describing such horrible people who tell you not to destroy yourself. This is modern style of crucification, I call it. Because nosv you cannot crucify Christ. So you are going to crucify Him like this. Anything about self preservation is wrong. We must preach self destruction - Is this the way arc we going to achieve for which God has created us? But why, I cannot understand because ifby getting self realisation, you get that bliss, that joy, that happiness, and you also become collective conscious, what we call in Hindi— STTJrfp? %rPTT, you become. It is an actualiza tion, you start feeling another person. It is not brain-washing, just telling you that he is my brother. f|?sY =EfMt vnf--*TT#-All that is not done. It just happens. You start working outthat way.lt is a part and parcel of your being. If it is so why not have it. Why not try and get it ?I know it is a very big thing to say that you have to recognise an incarnation. I am avoid ing for the last so many years of my age. Even Shri Krishna dare not do it. He said :-Give up all the dharmas & follow me.Christ said ‘I am the light. I am the path’— He was crucified.It is tactless to say these things-people know and I am very tactful.Normally I would not come into your askings. But one has to find out. One has to find out, One has to find out not ME but yourself. First find out yourself then you will know me. As I said, I am your mother. I have to work it out. You have to be-reborn. That is your right. Better have it. Better get it. For ME you are just children. Whether you quarrel with me, you tight with me or you argue with me or if you are humbleto me and surrender to me - you are my CHILDREN. The one who are sensible will get it faster, those who are not, will get it later - but all of you who are here must get it. Now for such a short time I cannot tell you all elaborately, what are the advantages of Sahaj Yoga but the e is nothing else but ‘Sahaj Yoga” which is advantageous because your physical being gets alright, you get rid of most of the doctors; your emotional beings receives balance; your mental being jumps into thoughtless awareness and your spiritual beings becomes that is sat- chit-anand. You become collectively conscious Your priorities change. All this happens to you It is a revolution inside out. It is the revolution within yourself -that all yourself gets integrated and you change yourself entirely automatically. Now somebody says that I cannot give up drinking. I say alright, come along. Have your realization. After realisation be does not drink at all, just does not drink. He forgets. If he tries to take, he vomits. You become that. Do you know by becoming human being, you know so many things. You know the shape ofthis room, you know the colour combination* you know the beauty, you can feel the dirt and filth. You can smell it. An animal cannot.In the same way, when you get realised, you can see the dirt and filth of morality. No body has to preach you. You just do not like it. You do not like such a person who talks of thesethings because you start getting burn ing on your hand. You do not like it-you feel heavy in your head. You do not like it. You just get away from such a company. You do not like a word against God. You cannot enjoy anything that does not have the beauty of God. You just talk about it. Now, we have here many Sahajyogis. In Delhi itself we have lots of Sahaj Yogis. If you go and just listen to them, you will be amazed, they will be just talking about God Nothing else but about God. They have no i other enjoyment. They do not believe in gossips, they do not believe in any criticism or anything. They are not bothered about what money they have got but they are just enjoying the Divine that is flowing. They will just give their experiences. “I was sitting in meditation, breeze came on me and I felt so happy.” They will only describe all the things how they have cured people. How the people have been cured by them. You do not say 1 cured. All this happens to you. You can imagine Gregoire has done 419 pages of Sahaj Yoga. He has written such a big book and they have done 85 tapes in London Still they say ,‘Mother every time you always say something new.’ But you just get into it and start enjoying every wave that comes. simple thing.Why not have it ?This is the ‘If you do not like ME being here what can I do. This is how it has to be. But then somebody is going to come. As Gregoire has pointed out—is a fact and then it will be last sorting out. There would not be any arguments. There would not be any realisation. Nothing, it is just sorting out. So let us have it. It is the thing that has to work out within all of you and it has to happen to you and if does not happen, you should not be upset. It will happen to you, if not today, tomorrow. It has to happen. There is nothing to criticise if it does not happen today. Nothing to get angry. More over it is a very subtle happening. It happens en-mass but again you have to settle down. We have no centre as such We have not been able to get such a place so far because 1 have made one compulsion that we shall not pay any black money for any land and so we have not got an inch of land in this country. In London I have got a place where I can say this is my set. But still there is somebody’s house we are using now. You can get the address. Please, after realisation also, do attend the programmes. It is a very humble place. In a big hall people think, it is prestigious to go there and that is how people think that you should get your realisation in a prestigious place. But God always goes to the humble people. So humble down yourself in your hearts and come to the centres and try to establish yourself. We have many Sahajyogis like that—they just come when 1 am here and then say, “ Mother we lost all the vibra tions”. “Did you go to your Centres”. They would say, “No, mother we did not”. Because they are too big, they have big cars and they are big people. Before God, no body is big or great. We have to know that He is God almighty who is all powerful. He is the Highest. We have to be really humble about it if we want to kindle the light within us and also if we have to main tain that light kindled all the time.May God bless you.

3/30/1979

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Evening prior to Her departure for London (Marathi & Hindi). Pune, Maharashtra, India. 30 March 1979. [English Translation from Hindi and Marathi] Tell them to go. All of you sit with hands towards me like this. Like this, you hold your hands, sit, and be relaxed. Why don't you sit on a chair? Why don't you sit on a chair, there, there? Or in front is better. Sit like this. Simply sit like this and sit very relaxed. No need to take any special pose, sit completely relaxed, in Sahaja aasan (posture), with complete simplicity in which you have no pressure on yourself. You do not have to move your head up or down, nothing. No need to get any special expression on your face. And anything like, crying out loud or shouting, swaying hands or legs, breathe heavily, stand in between or breathe inflating nothing of this sort you need to do. It is Sahaja in a simple way and on its own, it takes place. Inside you, there is a seed of it. With much care, it is placed inside the triangular bone. For this, you do not need to do anything. Keep your eyes in this way, moving eyes frequently will also move your attention (Chitta). Keep your eyes this way. Do not move your attention. By moving eyes, attention also moves. Close your eyes, no problem in it, instead it is good, close your eyes. If your eyes are not able to close or your eyes are twitching then open your eyes. First thing is that this incident should occur. Hearing lectures and knowing about Sahaja Yoga, every time talking and talking about this, has made me tired now. Moreover, a very big book has written in English. Maybe the copies are over now but more copies will be available, whoever wants it should give their names. In that book everything about Sahaja Yoga has talked about, it is a big book. Therefore, I will not give any lectures now. Delivering lectures often has made me tired now. Now you all get realization. Whatever you should achieve, achieve it! We will give time for it only because today is the last day that I am here then I will be going to London. The thing that you have to achieve is Sahaja (spontaneous) and it happens Sahaja (spontaneously) only. No need to create any nuisance, shout or yell. When it happens you will know it yourself that, it has happened. Child, you keep your eyes closed completely. Close your eyes completely, your Agnya is catching. Both your hands towards me, keeping them in your lap in a relaxed way, in a relaxed way you sit. No need to hold your hands high. Sit relaxed, very relaxed. For time being keep your thoughts outside, you will not gain anything from them. The thing that will happen let it happen within yourself. Do you want to achieve it? Then you achieve it. What will you gain in thinking about this and that? Listening to anyone is also of no use. Those who have not done any good to others, what they are going to speak? All of you accomplish good for yourself. You should accomplish it. Sit lightly, some people are bit nervous, sit lightly. Leave your legs etc light, keeping in front. No need for any locking system, sit lightly. Keep your body completely light. No need to put any aasan (posture). Put both hands towards me and close your eyes. Now you see it what happens. Now look towards your mind and find out if any thought is occurring to you from inside, from within. You are listening to me from outside. You are alert. However, you look at this, that are you getting any thought? Sit now sit, sit fast. You should not disturb this way by coming late. Therefore, I come late. So that everybody has come then I should come. Now no need to look at every one. Only to save you I am saying it that do not look here there. If anyone has come, why do you need to look at him or her? You all sit silently and accomplish this within you. Do not look at others. From next time, after I come, you must close the doors. [Blowing of wind by Shri Mataji.] Within. Now see if a cold breeze is blowing from your hand. Put your attention on your hands do not open your eyes. Without opening eyes, put attention on your hands. See if a cold breeze is blowing from your hands. If the warm breeze is coming then shake hands once. Shake hands a little bit, rub hands or blow on your hands if a warm breeze is coming. Is it coming? Sit relaxed and watch. Take your hands down. You put your hands down. Tell him he has to put his hand down. Keep them like this relax. Put attention on your hands. Firstly, put attention on your hands. Shake hands a little bit. Little bit shake your hands like this if. One or two things I will tell you if you pay attention. Therefore, keep your eyes closed. Do not open eyes. Please do not open eyes because when the kundalini rises at agnya chakra dilatation of pupil occurs. Therefore, if eyes are open then Kundalini will not rise. This is exactly the opposite of hypnosis, Sahaja Yoga. [Pause]. Close your eyes. Sit quietly, put both your hands towards me, and close your eyes. Sit silently completely. Put both your hands towards me this way and close your eyes. Assume as if you are asking that give us kundalini jagruti (self-realization). Make us realized. [Pause]. Now to understand is that. You child you go down or if you want to go out then go, do not disturb others. Among you, whoever has assumed some traditional deity or has worshiped any deity, like if you have worshiped Dattatray. Then at this moment whatever the situation is, in that you need to ask whether actual Dattatray deity is sitting in front of us. Whose body is shaking can open their eyes? If you believe in Shri Ram then ask a similar question. Someone is standing in that corner, Jaywant you check there vibrations are not good. In that corner, behind. [Pause]. Such kind of questions. If you believe in Jagdamba, then ask whether Maa, are you Jagdamba? This is the only way to achieve in Sahaja Yoga. Even I cannot do anything in it. In a way like an electric plug, which is working, in that only we plug. At this time only I am working. When Shri Krishna was there, then people said that they believe in Shri Ram. When Shri Krishna departed and Lord Jesus came, then people said we believe in Moses. When I came, people say that we believe in all of them and do not believe in you when they all are me only. Therefore, what can we do? If they all are me, then what can I do? Moreover, why do you feel bad in it, I do not understand. You can do many different things, which I cannot. I cannot do many things at all. This is the work if I know about then why do you feel bad about it, I cannot understand this. If you are something then you are. Why do you need to fear about it? I make thousands of kundalini rise, it means there must be something in it else how would I make kundalini rise. You should think about it. Those who say Gayatri mantra, they should ask Ma, are you Gayatri, Sandhya? Those who believe in Mohammad Sahab should ask if Maa, are you Mohammad Sahab? Those who believe in Laxmi Narayan should ask if Maa, are you Laxmi Narayan? Those who believe in Hanuman should ask if Maa, are you Hanuman? Those who believe in Bhairav should ask if Maa, are you Bhairav? Those who believe in Shivji should ask if Maa, are you Shivji? Similarly, you should ask Jagdamba, you should ask Shri Ram. Similarly, you should ask about Shri Krishna that whether you are Shri Radha Krishna. Similarly, you should ask Lord Jesus, ask me whether Maa, are you, Lord Jesus? Similarly, you ask whether Maa, you are Kalki? Ask whether Maa you are Adi shakti? Whatever has been told, about Adi Shakti if I do all that work, then while believing in me that I am Adi Shakti, why should you hesitate so much? You get Cancer cured of me and make your kundalini rise. Then why do you stay in fantasy? Until today, I have not said this because I know humans are more of idiots. Those who are cruel, fraudsters, and thieves humans consider them as God. Super idiots have the same characteristics. Moreover, harass them those who are sage, saints, and real people and avatar who descends on earth. This is a special feature of most human beings. Sit this side, this side you sit. Are chairs there? Take chairs. Relax and sit here in front. Come sit with hands this way, this way you sit. Sit completely peacefully with your eyes closed. Okay, sit with some belief. You have come to me to take the realization. If you do not believe in me then why should I give you realization? First, you calculate and tell me that I do not take any money from you. Neither am I going to give you any. I never demand anything for you. Instead, I only make all the expenditure myself and stay here by spending my own money. Then why you are showing your ownership on me? You come to me to ask something or give me a lecture. If you had found something so far, then why would you have come to me? When some diseases will strike you then you will come again. Get cured now, then you will not get bad diseases in the future, otherwise, diseases like cancer will also strike you, I am telling you, be cautious. You should achieve this. This is param (ultimate). This is especially for you that I have gotten it has made it very nicely and you take it. You have come here like a big sane, where have you come from I am not understanding. All insanity signs are visible. All rampages are also of human beings. Now keep some understanding for some time and get realization. Childishness is not good. You have wasted all your life on useless things. Will Maa ever say you that go and drink alcohol and destroy yourself cause your destruction? Moreover, the person who says these things will she garland him and say, okay you destroy my child. At least in our country, such mothers have come. This is your fortune. Similar questions you ask. Keep on asking. Ask, Maa, are you Adi Shakti? Ask such a question. Bhai Sahab, close your eyes. The one in the blue shirt close your eyes and keep your hands towards me. Tell [some name not clear] to close your eyes. You had better sit on a chair. Those people who are not comfortable to sit down should sit on the chair from before only. Those who are not comfortable should always sit on a chair, to begin with instead of disturbing everyone. Sit initially only. Come those who want to come, come. Moreover, do not stand and watch as if entertainment program is going on. Strange people are there in the world. What to say. You should love yourself also a little bit. You should also worry about yourself. If you keep watching others the whole life, then when will you look at yourself. You close your eyes, please. Close your eyes for a while. Give them bandana. Joy. Joy. Yes, sit. Sit down relaxed. Now look, do not allow anybody to come now. New people come and get bad vibrations along. Until 9:00 people will keep coming. Is this the way? If you want to achieve God, then you should come before and sit peacefully. At least something, people should have. Hello, why have you come to disturb everybody? Sit silently. Sit relaxed for some time. You have to achieve it. Close your eyes dear. Close your eyes. It will happen slowly, slowly. I need to explain you every time like small children that you have come for meditation, to know God, to know yourself. There is no such thing, that you are considering it as a very small thing, it is a very big thing. It is a thing of many ages that you have come to achieve. You are behaving as if you have come to some cinema show. Get some seriousness in yourself. You need some profoundness in yourself. One must be profound. All of you sit silently. Until I do not explain, nobody understands. How early have you all come? Everyone is disturbed. Now come and sit. Now, tell them no if anybody comes. Sit in the front. Sit. You are coming so late, neatly after cooking your food and then you are coming, how will it work? Everyone is getting disturbed. Sit now and at least do not talk. People here are sitting in meditation. This has become a meditation land now, at least after coming here you should think about others. Sit with your hands this way. You have come to meet God then what so you should be on time. Still, I come so late that after everybody comes, I come. Keep your hands this way and sit, this way you keep your hands. You should have at least some seriousness in everything. You have come to ask me such a big thing. It is such a big thing. Our Sahaja Yogis also come so early [sarcasm], then what should I say others. Yes, sit. Now you stop the trespassers. Hmm. People are not able to meditate. People keep coming and going. Yes now sit for some time. [Put the diya]. Sit now. Sit with some love. The breeze is so good.

Evening prior to Her departure for London (Marathi & Hindi). Pune, Maharashtra, India. 30 March 1979. [English Translation from Hindi and Marathi] Tell them to go. All of you sit with hands towards me like this. Like this, you hold your hands, sit, and be relaxed. Why don't you sit on a chair? Why don't you sit on a chair, there, there? Or in front is better. Sit like this. Simply sit like this and sit very relaxed. No need to take any special pose, sit completely relaxed, in Sahaja aasan (posture), with complete simplicity in which you have no pressure on yourself. You do not have to move your head up or down, nothing. No need to get any special expression on your face. And anything like, crying out loud or shouting, swaying hands or legs, breathe heavily, stand in between or breathe inflating nothing of this sort you need to do. It is Sahaja in a simple way and on its own, it takes place. Inside you, there is a seed of it. With much care, it is placed inside the triangular bone. For this, you do not need to do anything. Keep your eyes in this way, moving eyes frequently will also move your attention (Chitta). Keep your eyes this way. Do not move your attention. By moving eyes, attention also moves. Close your eyes, no problem in it, instead it is good, close your eyes. If your eyes are not able to close or your eyes are twitching then open your eyes. First thing is that this incident should occur. Hearing lectures and knowing about Sahaja Yoga, every time talking and talking about this, has made me tired now. Moreover, a very big book has written in English. Maybe the copies are over now but more copies will be available, whoever wants it should give their names. In that book everything about Sahaja Yoga has talked about, it is a big book. Therefore, I will not give any lectures now. Delivering lectures often has made me tired now. Now you all get realization. Whatever you should achieve, achieve it! We will give time for it only because today is the last day that I am here then I will be going to London. The thing that you have to achieve is Sahaja (spontaneous) and it happens Sahaja (spontaneously) only. No need to create any nuisance, shout or yell. When it happens you will know it yourself that, it has happened. Child, you keep your eyes closed completely. Close your eyes completely, your Agnya is catching. Both your hands towards me, keeping them in your lap in a relaxed way, in a relaxed way you sit. No need to hold your hands high. Sit relaxed, very relaxed. For time being keep your thoughts outside, you will not gain anything from them. The thing that will happen let it happen within yourself. Do you want to achieve it? Then you achieve it. What will you gain in thinking about this and that? Listening to anyone is also of no use. Those who have not done any good to others, what they are going to speak? All of you accomplish good for yourself. You should accomplish it. Sit lightly, some people are bit nervous, sit lightly. Leave your legs etc light, keeping in front. No need for any locking system, sit lightly. Keep your body completely light. No need to put any aasan (posture). Put both hands towards me and close your eyes. Now you see it what happens. Now look towards your mind and find out if any thought is occurring to you from inside, from within. You are listening to me from outside. You are alert. However, you look at this, that are you getting any thought? Sit now sit, sit fast. You should not disturb this way by coming late. Therefore, I come late. So that everybody has come then I should come. Now no need to look at every one. Only to save you I am saying it that do not look here there. If anyone has come, why do you need to look at him or her? You all sit silently and accomplish this within you. Do not look at others. From next time, after I come, you must close the doors. [Blowing of wind by Shri Mataji.] Within. Now see if a cold breeze is blowing from your hand. Put your attention on your hands do not open your eyes. Without opening eyes, put attention on your hands. See if a cold breeze is blowing from your hands. If the warm breeze is coming then shake hands once. Shake hands a little bit, rub hands or blow on your hands if a warm breeze is coming. Is it coming? Sit relaxed and watch. Take your hands down. You put your hands down. Tell him he has to put his hand down. Keep them like this relax. Put attention on your hands. Firstly, put attention on your hands. Shake hands a little bit. Little bit shake your hands like this if. One or two things I will tell you if you pay attention. Therefore, keep your eyes closed. Do not open eyes. Please do not open eyes because when the kundalini rises at agnya chakra dilatation of pupil occurs. Therefore, if eyes are open then Kundalini will not rise. This is exactly the opposite of hypnosis, Sahaja Yoga. [Pause]. Close your eyes. Sit quietly, put both your hands towards me, and close your eyes. Sit silently completely. Put both your hands towards me this way and close your eyes. Assume as if you are asking that give us kundalini jagruti (self-realization). Make us realized. [Pause]. Now to understand is that. You child you go down or if you want to go out then go, do not disturb others. Among you, whoever has assumed some traditional deity or has worshiped any deity, like if you have worshiped Dattatray. Then at this moment whatever the situation is, in that you need to ask whether actual Dattatray deity is sitting in front of us. Whose body is shaking can open their eyes? If you believe in Shri Ram then ask a similar question. Someone is standing in that corner, Jaywant you check there vibrations are not good. In that corner, behind. [Pause]. Such kind of questions. If you believe in Jagdamba, then ask whether Maa, are you Jagdamba? This is the only way to achieve in Sahaja Yoga. Even I cannot do anything in it. In a way like an electric plug, which is working, in that only we plug. At this time only I am working. When Shri Krishna was there, then people said that they believe in Shri Ram. When Shri Krishna departed and Lord Jesus came, then people said we believe in Moses. When I came, people say that we believe in all of them and do not believe in you when they all are me only. Therefore, what can we do? If they all are me, then what can I do? Moreover, why do you feel bad in it, I do not understand. You can do many different things, which I cannot. I cannot do many things at all. This is the work if I know about then why do you feel bad about it, I cannot understand this. If you are something then you are. Why do you need to fear about it? I make thousands of kundalini rise, it means there must be something in it else how would I make kundalini rise. You should think about it. Those who say Gayatri mantra, they should ask Ma, are you Gayatri, Sandhya? Those who believe in Mohammad Sahab should ask if Maa, are you Mohammad Sahab? Those who believe in Laxmi Narayan should ask if Maa, are you Laxmi Narayan? Those who believe in Hanuman should ask if Maa, are you Hanuman? Those who believe in Bhairav should ask if Maa, are you Bhairav? Those who believe in Shivji should ask if Maa, are you Shivji? Similarly, you should ask Jagdamba, you should ask Shri Ram. Similarly, you should ask about Shri Krishna that whether you are Shri Radha Krishna. Similarly, you should ask Lord Jesus, ask me whether Maa, are you, Lord Jesus? Similarly, you ask whether Maa, you are Kalki? Ask whether Maa you are Adi shakti? Whatever has been told, about Adi Shakti if I do all that work, then while believing in me that I am Adi Shakti, why should you hesitate so much? You get Cancer cured of me and make your kundalini rise. Then why do you stay in fantasy? Until today, I have not said this because I know humans are more of idiots. Those who are cruel, fraudsters, and thieves humans consider them as God. Super idiots have the same characteristics. Moreover, harass them those who are sage, saints, and real people and avatar who descends on earth. This is a special feature of most human beings. Sit this side, this side you sit. Are chairs there? Take chairs. Relax and sit here in front. Come sit with hands this way, this way you sit. Sit completely peacefully with your eyes closed. Okay, sit with some belief. You have come to me to take the realization. If you do not believe in me then why should I give you realization? First, you calculate and tell me that I do not take any money from you. Neither am I going to give you any. I never demand anything for you. Instead, I only make all the expenditure myself and stay here by spending my own money. Then why you are showing your ownership on me? You come to me to ask something or give me a lecture. If you had found something so far, then why would you have come to me? When some diseases will strike you then you will come again. Get cured now, then you will not get bad diseases in the future, otherwise, diseases like cancer will also strike you, I am telling you, be cautious. You should achieve this. This is param (ultimate). This is especially for you that I have gotten it has made it very nicely and you take it. You have come here like a big sane, where have you come from I am not understanding. All insanity signs are visible. All rampages are also of human beings. Now keep some understanding for some time and get realization. Childishness is not good. You have wasted all your life on useless things. Will Maa ever say you that go and drink alcohol and destroy yourself cause your destruction? Moreover, the person who says these things will she garland him and say, okay you destroy my child. At least in our country, such mothers have come. This is your fortune. Similar questions you ask. Keep on asking. Ask, Maa, are you Adi Shakti? Ask such a question. Bhai Sahab, close your eyes. The one in the blue shirt close your eyes and keep your hands towards me. Tell [some name not clear] to close your eyes. You had better sit on a chair. Those people who are not comfortable to sit down should sit on the chair from before only. Those who are not comfortable should always sit on a chair, to begin with instead of disturbing everyone. Sit initially only. Come those who want to come, come. Moreover, do not stand and watch as if entertainment program is going on. Strange people are there in the world. What to say. You should love yourself also a little bit. You should also worry about yourself. If you keep watching others the whole life, then when will you look at yourself. You close your eyes, please. Close your eyes for a while. Give them bandana. Joy. Joy. Yes, sit. Sit down relaxed. Now look, do not allow anybody to come now. New people come and get bad vibrations along. Until 9:00 people will keep coming. Is this the way? If you want to achieve God, then you should come before and sit peacefully. At least something, people should have. Hello, why have you come to disturb everybody? Sit silently. Sit relaxed for some time. You have to achieve it. Close your eyes dear. Close your eyes. It will happen slowly, slowly. I need to explain you every time like small children that you have come for meditation, to know God, to know yourself. There is no such thing, that you are considering it as a very small thing, it is a very big thing. It is a thing of many ages that you have come to achieve. You are behaving as if you have come to some cinema show. Get some seriousness in yourself. You need some profoundness in yourself. One must be profound. All of you sit silently. Until I do not explain, nobody understands. How early have you all come? Everyone is disturbed. Now come and sit. Now, tell them no if anybody comes. Sit in the front. Sit. You are coming so late, neatly after cooking your food and then you are coming, how will it work? Everyone is getting disturbed. Sit now and at least do not talk. People here are sitting in meditation. This has become a meditation land now, at least after coming here you should think about others. Sit with your hands this way. You have come to meet God then what so you should be on time. Still, I come so late that after everybody comes, I come. Keep your hands this way and sit, this way you keep your hands. You should have at least some seriousness in everything. You have come to ask me such a big thing. It is such a big thing. Our Sahaja Yogis also come so early [sarcasm], then what should I say others. Yes, sit. Now you stop the trespassers. Hmm. People are not able to meditate. People keep coming and going. Yes now sit for some time. [Put the diya]. Sit now. Sit with some love. The breeze is so good.

4/16/1979

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Agnya Chakra and Lord Jesus Christ

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Talk in Philippa Pullar’s House, Barnes Common, London (UK), 16 April 1979. Asking questions? What is it? There are a lot of people here Mother that have not met you.. Yes I know, let them come forward..if it is awkward or uncomfortable..also sometimes people make you stand on your heads..it is nothing of the kind…there is no circus…nothing of the kind…neither you should have a body of a particular type…not important…. The main thing is you should be comfortable so that your attention does not go to things which are of just useless value..so you should be absolutely comfortable..if you can take a chair..let them take a chair..it would be a very good idea. Those who can sit on the ground, are all right? No hard and fast rule about it..sit this way or that way..nothing of the kind… It is simplest of all…easiest of all…but we are not easy, we are complicated, that’s the problem but otherwise it’s the easiest thing that should happen to all of you and you are born to get it. It’s your right to have it, it is something that has to happen also, like the spring has to come in the same way….(some seating arrangement sounds) So on the tree of life we have to have spring time also…it’s part of the (unclear) [Are you all right? [Gap] You have to have any time also. It’s a part of the whole cycle. [A Yogi: Sorry …] …I had to … [INDIST.] [SHRI MATAJI aside: It’s all right.] this may be omited completely People are expecting Sahaja Yoga, no doubt, when they talk, when they write, when they express themselves, you can see very clearly that they are expecting some sort of a breakthrough- sort of, they have reached a certain frantic condition in which they expect there has to be something. Otherwise, how can they explain the creation? How can they explain God? How can they explain that there is some force which is looking after us? So, everybody is expecting some sort of a breakthrough. Not only that, but there is also a search for a breakthrough. You can see that very clearly, everywhere. But the trouble is, you see, one has to understand that it is God’s job, not yours. That it is to be done by God, not by you. That is very difficult to accept. But when we accept our own life as a human being, we should know that we became human beings by ourselves or by God? We could not become human beings ourselves, from amoeba stage, can we? Can any amoeba try to become even a turtle? It cannot. So, how did we become human beings? By some sort of a force or some sort of an energy or some sort of a guiding hand which brought forth this happening that we became human beings. And in the same way if you have to become super-human-beings or we have to become something else more than this, or our awareness has to achieve something more – it has to happen. Only thing, if we had not spoiled ourselves, our own being – which is perfectly all right – there is no need to do anything extra-ordinary. Because in this frantic search we might ruin ourselves, we might ruin our instruments which are within us, because there is an under-current within us which works out all these things. Like the seed has its own femur, in the same way there is something within you also playing; you should work it out. But when you try to do something about it – it gets spoiled. This is a very simple thing but we cannot get out of the idea, because we [seek in our wisdom ?.] by our effort. We think we do this, as Sahaja Yogi, but do we? See these flowers, how do they come up? What is there that you have done to create them? We do something dead. We do not do anything living, we cannot do anything living. Now just stupid this, what do you think have we done? Nothing at all! Everything that is dead we are converting into different forms. Say, the tree is dead so we make a furniture , we say, “Oh we are great, we have done this furniture”. It’s from dead to dead. What living work have you done? Once we realize that we have done nothing living so the living God has to do this. He has to do it and he will do it through his own – he can seed, he can grow . He is not going to make you do it. This he has never asked you to do anything. Why should he now trouble you? He has created you in his own love, this beautiful universes just for you to enjoy. But this is all a brain wash as long as you do not have the sensitivity to enjoy. But the sensitivity is lost. Moreover the sensitivity is there at last has to be again manifested in a different way to really absorb the beauty and the joy that god has created. It’s a very delicate instrument which lies within you. They have told you that it is called as Kundalini . Of course they have played havoc with it , you know that. They have really made a mess of what is called Kundalini? They have ruined it, completely ruined and that’s how they have ruined your inner being. It is shocking, really shocking. And in your frantic search you also believed these horrible people who are just out to ruin you. These people have no relationship with reality, they don’t know who is Christ, they don’t know who is Mohammed, they don’t know who is Nanak. They don’t know anything about the great Incarnations who came on this Earth. They don’t want to talk about it! There is no relationship, there is no historical background to what they are saying. After all if there is a tree and everything within comes in a circle. This has a history; it was a seed first, then it grew up to big tree and even a seed has its history that it was a seed and then a flower. So when these people just start talking to you off hand without any relationship to the historical background or to their – you can say – to the surrounding, they are just … In English language you can say, they are talking nothing. But why do we believe it? Because they have something in them for which they control us. Now you have your own conceptions say about god that god should be like this, god should be like that . This concept cannot be your own, how is it your own? How, now how do you say that god should be like this, or like that? What is your ideal? But why do you decide that god should be like that? What is your basic? Ask questions please! Then it will give you different [INDIST.] What is your basic purpose? What have you read about god? Who looks as he read? Can you discriminate between a person who is real or who is unreal? Time has one very great advantage that in history you can find out that time crops down everything that is false. Everything that is false is cropped down and whatever real remains. Like about Christ you see, where he lived how people just see. They said, you know what things they have said against Him and they crucified Him. Now they have the biggest problems how to explain His resurrection? Who has asked them to explain? Now why should they explain? What is the need to explain His resurrection? He was resurrected because He was very different from you people are. He was not a human being. You cannot even explain how a flower becomes a fruit – which you see everyday, can you? You cannot even say why there is gravity on this Earth. From where did it come in the Mother Earth? Can you explain? You cannot explain anything whatsoever through your science, can we any ‘why’ , how can it be we cannot explain? Then how can you explain the resurrection of Christ? But you want to explain that, if you cannot explain then you stand on two legs. Either you say that you are exhausted – it is not so, how can you? I met some very frivolous people in Argentina, they said, “Why was Christ poor, why did He take birth as a poor Man?” I said, “Who are you to decide about it?” I mean, you will take to His birth according to His own wish, because He is really free. This you cannot understand, you know, human beings cannot understand that free, free personality, because you are not. He can take His birth anywhere He wants to take, He can do whatever He likes with Himself, because He is freely free. And in all this freedom whatever He does is for the good of the whole. While when we are free we do something that will be absolutely nasty, and maybe very much destroying the whole, because our freedom is too very lunatic. We have no sense of judging a person, not at all – because we are not [inward – UNCLEAR] realized. At least that should happen to human being where they achieve a sense of freedom. This is absolute. So they have a problem, what is resurrection of Christ – let us explain, let us understand. One way, as I told you, is to just to say that we cannot explain, so it’s all wrong; you shouldn’t believe anyone, He was just like that; should’nt believe in any Incarnation, there were no good; resurrection is falsehood, it was all a myth – so we feel very happy about it. . You are being very honest. Then you do not know the whole truth. What is the sense of your honesty and dishonesty? Say I do not know this house, how it looks like, all right? Then I should say I do not know – is all right. But then to form a complete idea about this house, even denying it. You see denying it, means you are not honest. So this is one way of looking at it, especially intelligence you see. It makes you think like that, and you think you are being very rational. But rationality if it is of that much limited shows ego-centric, as you can call it, which cannot see things beyond, it is no rationality. Why do you in the rationality think that perhaps He was resurrected, because there was something special about Him, which we could not understand? Rationality should see things that happened, which rationality cannot explain. Like as I said a tree having flowers, and then becoming fruits. A tree that is a mango tree can give you mangos, and a rose bush will give you roses, and the birds that are cuckoo birds will sing the way they are. What is the rationality behind it? Why do they do it? What is their place in this universe? Through rationality you can recognize one thing that rationality is silliness. It cannot pass the barriers communications of understanding. The second style is that you don’t believe in, then its all right, He was resurrected all right. He was resurrected all right, so believe in Christ and believe in Him. So we believe in Him, we don’t believe in anything else, we just believe in Him. Now even if Christ comes and stands before you and says that I am Christ now, see for yourself – you are not going to believe. You believed in the Christ who got crucified because you were not there. Who were there never believed Him. But when He comes back and says, “Now I am here sitting before you, now you try to recognize Me and find out if I am Christ or not”. So then you’ll say that how can that be? We like to believe in Christ who died, now He is finished, now what do you do? This is another style. So we get two extremes we can say, is one side is fanaticism. You can say akward and very detrimental for human growth and when you turn away from that, from one thing to another; you go to the other side where you start feeling, ‘oh how can you believe it’? So we do not believe. So this is the same, in-between these two where we stand. In many countries all over the world, all the young people are awakened to this fact that fanaticism is something stupid. So they are moving to the other side towards the rationality, the intellectualism. But a simple thing one should understand, does rationality give you joy? It is so dry. You go on building words after words, at the end you are tired, fagged out, jittery. . You have had a discussion with an intellectual say twice or thrice and say, ‘better you go to a pub’. You will be in the tension and really you will become jittery. As I was just now telling, I went to Switzerland and I was surprised about them. Just all they stand, this is an argument. This one is saying something, the other one is saying something and the whole argument was on and on and on and people were so jittery . The vibrations were, all the children were shattered as if they are moving on a, what you call it as a wheel, no as if a wheel is [rotating?] and the people are moving on a wheel, so much shattered and everybody got shaking like that. What sort of vibrations will be there ? Children themselves were [shocked?] and the whole atmosphere was beautiful. The nature was so beautiful and the nature was looking absolutely tired, fagged out and dissatisfied and the people were, I don’t know what they were [INDIST.] their brains were shooting off their all very very speed, extremely speedy. So what have they achieved? Are they happy? Has that rationality done any good to them? Nobody seems to be happy in that affluent country where rationality is the way they look at things. And even when we talk of selfishness – I said, “Unless and until you discover yourself, how can you be selfish? You can be only shellfishes but you cannot be selfish!” In Sanskrit the word is svartha, for selfishness is the word svartha. Svartha means – sva means yourself, the being, and artha means the meaning. If you know the meaning of yourself, then it is svartha – but how will you know? If there is an undercurrent working out, if there is something that is working it out you see. It would be a folly not to expose ourselves to that and to understand our own value, our own place in this Universe and our own meaning. Why are we here? So rationality, if it is based on wisdom, then you can see very clearly that it is wise to wait and see. But wisdom is only possible if you understand the limitations of rationality. If you are too much identified with rationality then wisdom becomes dimmer and dimmer. So we have to know ourselves – that’s very important. You are not to be guided by the tricks of people who just want to get money of you or some sort of a reputation or I don’t know what they want to make out of themselves, but what you have to do is to really know ourselves. Unless and until you know yourself you are not to believe anyone. But that doesn’t mean by any chance that you close yourself. Just say to know this house is to come inside this house. In the same way to know yourself is to enter into your own being. Now how can you enter into your own being? Which is the way? It is a typical human question – how? But I ask you a question: “Now how does a seed grow?” So you say, “We don’t know”. All right, so you do not know ‘how’. Somebody has to know it. If you do not know – say I know. Why should you be angry with Me for that? I say, I know. Supposing I don’t know, I don’t even know how to make a candle, I don’t know how to run this transister, I don’t know even it is Mine or it is [Douglas’s], Am so bad. I think I don’t know so many things, but if I know this then why should you be angry for that? Why should you feel hurt? Then this hurts people! If you know, well and good, that’s a very good thing, if you know it’s a very good thing. But if I know that – now what should I do about it? Should I not tell you how to do it? I should. But that hurts people very much, you will see that in the history of all the saints, of all the incarnations, if you [want it OR understand], it hurts them. What did Christ do, that you should have [been OR Him?] – Christ crucified? So the question comes in, why do we feel hurt about it? Let us have it! Do you feel hurt if somebody gives you a diamond? If your property is locked up, do you feel hurt if I tell you that this is your property and you will use it? What is there to feel hurt about it? Now where does your rationality go when it comes to reality? At this time the rationality should help you. And the way people judge it is also something very, very absurd. When you know yourself, as I say, you will know others also. Now when you know yourself, how will you know you know yourself or not? You should feel yourself. You do not know what is within . By any chance it happens to you that you start ‘seeing’ what is within you – ‘seeing’ is feeling. Then you start feeling the others, their inner being and yours , then still should you be no doubting about it? So why should we doubt? What is the advantage? Say people are getting drowned and there is a boat, there’s a boat of love that is coming trying to save you – you can feel it, you can feel the boat, you can also get out of the water. You can feel that you are out of the water for the time being, again you jump back. Now what you should believe into – is the boat. If you don’t believe into the boat, how will you have a stronger grip? This is the problem, this is the problem of the western mind – you have to feel it. I’s not the problem of the eastern mind so much, they have other problems. They have other terrible problems, but you forget about them, we discuss about our own problems here in this country and around- in all the western people. You have achieved affluence to effort as they think. You believe in Christ. Because whatever you see to be in this way, it’s not absolute. I can prove it to you just now. If you bring a television set you can see in that, that those pictures are also here, otherwise how are you getting it? They are in the atmosphere. You are sitting down here, you can’t hear the music, but if you bring a radio I can prove it to you that this music exists here also. You have to [respect OR just connect?]. All kinds of things from all over the world, if you have really a very sensitive radio, a extremely sensitive, you can catch the music from [UNCLEAR]. Do you realize that? Even as you are your awareness is, you know you have increased it through all these various methods. So we have to understand that whatever you’ll know through this human manifestation, whatever you have is not complete, is not perfect, is not yet that level. If this could be understood through your rationality, rationality has done its job. But even that much is not possible. Then its going to be difficult. This understanding about yourself has to grow. This, of course. I mean you do feel it. Do we really do not understand ourselves and our fellow being? We know that, we are sure of that, you are quiet sure of that and that’s why you are confused. But if there is a method by which you can clear this points and if it works and clicks in you – then you have to believe into it. That is what is called as faith and not the blind faith. Why should there be, be two words like “blind faith” and “faith”? If faith means blindness, then there should not be two words? That means that there is something like blind faith and there is something like faith. Even in Sanskrit-Language we have one called as ‘andha shraddha’, another as ‘shraddha’. So the faith starts after the experience and we come to a point now that we all should have the experience of the self to begin with and we have to believe into it and through that faith we have to mould it. Rationality also has faith – otherwise rationality cannot exist. Perhaps we do not know how we work out our rationality. Supposing you are going by a car and you say I have no faith in the way the car moves. You get into the car. Then you know the car moves well so you [press the key into the ?? …] and you have faith in it. I mean at every step you have faith, otherwise what is faith, is nothing but your experiences which you have seen. And the rationality is the one that accepts, accepts that faith and proceeds further. In everything that you do out of rationality you do not go further unless and until you have faith in what you are doing is correct. You have to believe into it, otherwise you cannot exercise your rationality. You follow this point? But by no chance it means “blind faith”, this is another madness as I have told you. There is a very easy method for people who are blind – just to open their eyes. But those people who are blind and believe that they can see everything, it’s an impossibility. Those who say, “We are blindly following something”, then you can say, “All right, if you are following, blindly following we will show you where you are going”. You can hold their hand and put them on the right track and then open their eyes and they will be very much willing to open their eyes. But what about people who are blind, but think that they can see everything and can analyze everything and can rationalize everything? They are a little difficult. So we have to bring our rationality to a point that so far we have not been able to achieve it; let us have it. Once you say that, it works out.In some people I have seen Sahaja Yoga works wonders, works very fast. They jump into it much more faster than others. Some of them really go very deep into it and they settle down there. In some people it works very slowly; in some people they think they have gone very deep and they come out very fast. So one has to know it is for your own being; it is for your own selfishness because that goes into our rationality. If something is for our selfishness we understand it better – but it is, hundred percent it is for your selfishness and for the selfishness of the whole of which you are a part and parcel. It is the method of love, of god,. Because god loves you, He has done all the things. He wants to entertain you, He wants you to grow big, to mature and then to have the beauty of His own creation completely enjoyed by you. It’s all His love. His love is working out His power to love, there is a living energy that does it. How can it harm you? We talk of love, talk of universal life, we talk of universal organizations also. We have so many organizations which are universal, they talk of those things . I met so many of these people also, but there is no love. Love is the universal energy, love is the universal thing that exists . It is so pure, so purifying, it’s so joy-giving. But we have to have faith in that and not in ourselves as long as we are in imperfect condition. When we perfect ourselves then you will know that you are nothing but instruments of love. God wants to use you for His love. He wants to express His love and He wants His love to flow through you so that it goes to others. And He wants you to make so beautiful that you become absolutely sensitive to the beauty of love. This is the new dimension that He wants you to enter into and that is what is the kingdom of God. So if you could put down your mind a little bit and tell him not to be so jittery, it will work out. You have depended on a horse which has been playing around with you. It will become your friend and it is going to look after you. It has been may be miserable sometimes, it has been neutral, and it has also may be ego-centric and egoistical in a very subtle way which you do not know and it has been playing around with you and has been keeping you away from reality because it is testing; it is your friend. The moment it knows that you want that, the absolute, it settles down. This is Sahaja Yoga, is the power that is bestowed upon every human being to be united with that divine Power to be an instrument of this divine Power, this is the ultimate of our evolution which has to happen. Do you think god is going to leave it without being completed? If He is the All Mighty then He is going to do it. There is only one snag that it is your freedom. God has made you free because to enter into His kingdom where complete freedom is to be enjoyed, you have to be there in your own freedom, not in bondage. So your freedom is there, you chose between ego and wisdom and then you have to enter into that arena. This is your own, acting through your own. Now if you have any problem, you ask a question! You couldn’t see anywhere as I said, could you? You could? That’s great, that’s great. What you say? Some questions should be there. Yogi: Too many! Shri Mataji: Too many are there, ah? I know. What’s that? ANOTHER Yogi: I am just new to Sahaja Yoga … Shri Mataji: Yes. Yogi: … what should I be doing? Shri Mataji: Perhaps, feel it. What should I tell you, you dare not to do anything. First it’s like you people are drowning [in all these things OR as we say, ..examine?] and then they are to be saved. Now who does that – is the swimmer. Then you come to the shore and you learn to swim. Completely! Then you know all that swimming, then you can help others, it is as simple as that. Now this, say, one is enlightened but I have a candle which is not, just I have to face it towards that, it’s that. You are built-in , everything is there. You are computerized already, the computer is in, only you have to be put to the mains. SEEKER: Shri Mataji, do you believe in [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: what Christ has done] and what have you done? Shri Mataji: What’s it? Yogi: He says, do you believe that Christ was a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: dancer]? Shri Mataji: What? What? YOGIS: That Christ was a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: dancer]. Shri Mataji: Who is this one ? Come forward! Now what does that matter, whether I believe it or not ? [Who are you?] Now sit down, sit down! Come along, come along! Come along, sit down! Now whether I believe it or not, what does it matter, tell Me! Why do you want to go into headaches? They are all headaches, I tell you really. SEEKER: I think I couldn’t make it another question. Are I? Shri Mataji: You see the thing is I believe not only believe, but I know all of them are correct. Absolutely true! But you see, what has happened with human brains, whatever is told to them, whatever is coming, is coming from their unconsciousness. Then we make a dogma out of it and start fighting. [GAP] …. not understanding because all of you, I would say those who look at it, all of them have only one eye and that too partly opened. So somebody sees this, somebody says that. Things that can be seen clearly only when you are fully open to it, isn’t it? Now you come in this room for example and the whole thing is all darkness, I can’t see. So I jump on to this table say, “This is really a huge thing” , then I say, “This picture is the thing”, then I say, “This light is the rope”. It is like that. So whatever is discovered in the Virata quite clear to Me. It’s not clear . It is so simple. I’ll tell you about, recently I asked her, “Why do they go for theosophical works for Christianity?” I just couldn’t understand, you see. I said, “Did Christ say so anywhere in the bible?”, because I have not read it. I haven’t read [He was a baptizer, so I really tell you this- UNCLEAR] [I haven’t read it either?]. So I know what it is. So I said, “Did He say or anywhere or in the Bible it is written that there should be philanthropic work done by Christians?” They said, “No, but it happened once, you see, when Mary Magdalena wanted to anoint Him with some oil. And Peter said, ‘Why should you do it? Why shouldn’t you try to use this oil, sell it and make money and give it to the poor?’” It is typical, you know? He was no Prophet. So Christ said that poor are with you all the time, headaches you see, but I am with you for a short time. He tried to emphasize the importance of Divinity, of divine Light that is with you – very important thing for Christians. But if this is the example for it, I mean this is stupidity. So if you go into the arguments and to the finding out of all the different Vedanta, ideals and things like that, it will be another sort of a problem. But the best way to see the unity of it is to go to the point where you are united. Like now say, if you say, “Do you believe in this flower?” Then another will say, “Do you believe in that flower?” “No, I believe in all of them”. “How?” “Because if I am in the sap I believe into all of them”. So let us go to that point which is universally supplying knowledge to all of these branches, all right? If you reach there then you’ll be amazed to see how this diversity has such a unity [after all?]. You have to go to that unifying factor to see this so called diverse things, having the same unifying power in it. All right? Yogi: Yes. SHRI MATAJI (to a Yogi): You have read Vedanta? Yogi: No, no, but …. Shri Mataji: The truth! Yogi: … in India one can’t … Shri Mataji: … get out of it … Yogi: … get help very much [??] Shri Mataji: … oh, oh, horrible people in that country. Oh, you don’t know – they are mad, real mad [unclear] I tell you. Don’t go near them! ANOTHER Yogi: … rakshasas, asuras … Shri Mataji: … asuras, asuras … Yogi: … asuras … Shri Mataji: … asuras. They are rakshasas, real rakshasas some of them are. Imagine they challenged Adi Shankara Charya I must say. When he wrote His vivekachudamani, they got after His life. So He gave up everything – He said, “All right, I will just sing the praise of the Mother – finished! I am not going to talk”. He has been a very clever man though … [Shri Mataji aside: (INDIST.) How are you? Good? All right? You have to do it! They danced before the inward eye. All right?] You see, it is the bliss of God you see. What a beautiful picture! [This is a place to take birth – unclear] for the realized soul, no doubt. You have so many of them here. So this is the problem and you can’t just get out of it. You see, if you go to India there is a lot of muck around. But you don’t go from the backside, that’s the problem. You go from the front side and to enter into India is through the villages, not through these cities. Even Benaras – horrid, never go near it! All horrid people live there … Yogi: … Kunda [??] … Shri Mataji: … What? Kundas, Kundas! And the rakshasas and a horrible, terrible people! They are all to be thrown away. They are being already punished by the river Ganges, and the Yamuna has punished them. Horrible people they are- cheats; they are even worse and … Yogi: They all want paisa. They all want paisa. They all talk about paisa. Shri Mataji: … Paisa, paisa, paisa! Now thank God there is somebody, you please record him! When I say that, people get very angry with Me. When I tell them that all these Pandas must be thrown into the Ganges, but why spoil the Ganges also? You can find some better place to drown them. But why do you, how are you impressed by them? Indians are not impressed by them. I am surprised how are you impressed by these horrible hypocrites? Yogi: Shri Mataji, can I come in there? I am not actually an Indian born Indian, I am an African Indian, I was born in Africa, but I know a lot about Indian and when you say, ‘we are not impressed by’ like I mean Shankara Charya and … Shri Mataji: Shankara Charya they are, but not by these horrible gundas who live in the temples and things and sell hashish … Yogi: … true but if You, when I was in Uganda you see any persons who’s been there, You know, they were as You described, even so these people, You know like you said paise , where we go money is there. and a lot of us, you know, the younger ones who have seen all this , not heard about it, are not so impressed by it. So once I have heard about You, I was really impressed. I also heard about other swamis and all that like, what’s his name, I can’t remember his name … Shri Mataji: One better than the other. Don’t take their names. They are all horrible. One better than the other, I went to East-Africa for your information, and I saw horrible things happening there, too … SEEKER: All right! I know this. Shri Mataji: … you see all kinds of these horrible people are being exported from you. You see, because they don’t need any licence for its exporting or importing. And they very nicely go and settle down in East-Africa there might be hundreds, hundreds of these thugs, sitting down there, doing Puja, this, that and collecting all kinds of people around and exploiting them. And East-Africans are very traditional people, you see, they went there long time back, they are still keeping up their traditions and [divine?] and then they took Me to a temple there and in the temple when I was there they all were doing ‘hooh, hooh, hooh, hooh’ – all were possessed! In My presence they all got possessed and I asked, “What sort of a Temple is this one?” and it was a Kali’s Temple, just imagine! I said, “He is wretched” , not because from where have they come. And I asked them, “Who is the one, who is your guru?” The guru had run away, you see, that he was not there. I bashed them nicely and I told these ladies that throw him away, this is what it is and you are all wrong. There is so much of black magic, this, that going on in that East-Africa. It’s, you know, every third person was possessed. Horrible things were happening and maybe in Uganda also and you have such a horrible, this rakshasa there living. Now thank god is finished and all these people , were so much impressed by these, from this pandits and pandas coming from there. I know, I know it is, you are right there, absolutely right. But you go and see what I told you, and when I was in East-Africa I told all of them, even these Jain-is and all of them and I shouted at them and I said, “You will go all of you to hell”. And they were so much frightened, they said, “What are You saying Mother?” I said, all these will fall down in no time, all these temples and all these. But here are also the same things I find, My child, it’s nowhere an exception, except it is very clever here and it is very crude there, but also here the same. Yogi: But Mother, I have the same feeling when I was in Brazil they worshipped together Mary and black magic. Then I wondered and they wanted to talk about the things to me and they stopped because I talked about Your name and they stopped to speak about it. Shri Mataji: Very true! You see, this is what it is, without self-Realization you cannot understand god. Without self-Realization you can even worship a demon or a man thinking that is God. That’s why you must have self-Realization, that is the only way you are going to know that. One small thing will people do not understand, how can you purchase god? How can you pay for god? In East-Africa I know, it was so, I am so, people were mad and you don’t know why. My host himself his wife were so sick. She was so sick, she was mentally so upset and she was getting into fits and things like that, but we have to do something about it and I told that this is all wrong, throw away all these people – same in Uganda. This is all money-making propositions but you awaken to it. You see, there is a fashion now in East-Africa. ‘Who is your guru?’ Everybody must have [attain?] here; they must have a guru. Why must you have a guru? I can’t understand, but you do not know whether he is a guru or else he is a rakshasa. Yogi: So You see, when I meant in that sort of things later means that when I talk about You to them, You know, it is the same thing, they said that if She is to you so much, he is to me just as much, you see? Shri Mataji: ‘But what have you gained’? is the point, you should ask them. All right, you should say that. ‘What has he given you?’ You have given him money, you have given him fruits, you have given him clothes, you have done everything – what has he given to you? He is suffering from all kinds of diseases – what has he given? You see, if he is at a higher position you should get something from that – isn’t it? What has he given you ? But when you come to Sahaja Yoga, what happens to you? You are physically, mentally, emotionally you are put right. Spiritually you start feeling the vibrations, you can cure people, you know there are many Sahaja Yogis who have cured people. You can cure cancer! That is one-sided, only the person who can give is the Guru, not the one who can take. That’s why he is called as Guru. If they say so, you should ask, ‘what have you achieved?’ Only you have cleared out with your purses, given away all that you possessed, now you have become a beggar, that’s what you have achieved. They are possessed by these people, that’s why they can’t see. They can’t see, you know they posses you, that’s why you cannot see. In India we had a cult called, now even today it is, after Vandana-Charya they were called as Vaishnavas and all that. I don’t know what to call them, because Vandana Charya himself was a realized soul, and he had eight disciples who did not get Realization, very unlucky. And when they started following this ‘ashtachap-vaishnava-dharma’. In this you know, what they had? You will be shocked, if I tell you. The head priest was supposed to enjoy the bride on the first night. Any bride! And he was invited to anybody, anywhere in India. A person had to spend lacks of Rupees and this is what the blessing from the guru they were given. Now what to say to such silly, stupid, useless – what should I call them? Now I don’t know many bad words. . What do you say to such stupid people? You see, that’s why we need intelligent people for Sahaja Yoga – to understand. But not intellectuals, there is a difference between it – you should be intelligent. Intellectuals are the people who just enjoy the mental fields , you see like sucker. They are nowhere, they are just moving in the same – UNCLEAR]. There is no where somersault, you see, some somersaults you should have. But these , this is very true, this kind of a fanaticism is there. But you young people can fight it out. That’s why you are born at this time and you are young. You have to tell them that this is wrong – [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: not many] – also I must say in East-Africa within eight days time there was such a change – such a change, tremendous change came, and they were [INDIST. elderly?] people also, even I went to the, actually the Jain-is had arranged My program, then I gave them right and left there all about Jainism and about Mahavira I told them, “What are you doing? This is not Jainism”. Not a word! They started thinking about it. So it is true, they are like that, it’s a sad thing, but there is a trick in Sahaja Yoga by which you can turn them round. I will tell you later of it. There are lots of tricks by which you can make these people come around. Oh! I worked out lots of permutations and combinations. Only thing you must decide to learn all these tricks. For fanatics also we can work it out, only thing they should know that they have not achieved anything, then it works out. They know when they get sick also. There is one society in India which they invited Me to address – their name is “Servants of God”. I said, “All right”. As soon as I reached there they came out with their problems mostly physical. They said, “This is wrong with us, Mother. You must cure this”. I said, “Now what kind of servants of god are these ?” All of them are sick people, now what have I to do with them? But they realized it was a sickness that if you were really servants of god and you are really serving god, then you should be [perfect OR first fit]. That means something is wrong. So all those who had been to India, before getting Realization, raise your hands – I wanted to see. Before getting Realization, went to India. . [UNCLEAR]. You, You have been to India before getting realization, you went down? Yogi: I haven’t got realization. Shri Mataji: That’s it, so now you are one of them. Now who else? You have been there too? You better write down all the nonsense of Indians, all right? Next week we have to [publish it OR publicize]. May God bless you! May God bless you! You write it down, all your experiences, because after realization we forgive them, and you will not even remember, you better write it down. You! They way they have used you and troubled you, very important! You see? You have to inform the government of India about it, they are busy … Yogi: I am going to tell all about the Pondicherry-Ashram, I won’t forgive them in the Pondicherry-Ashram. I got beaten up by the gym-master there. I am not going to forgive them for that … Shri Mataji: All right! I am with you, for that! Please write it down! [Yogis laugh] Yogi: All that thing is a tack -stall, the whole thing is run by Mahishasura. Shri Mataji: Ha, Ha! That’s good! Now will you please write it down for Me, I’ll give it in writing and get more things Yogi: I was certainly will. I tell You the whole story, he was a gym-master, he was making love to his girl-friend in the mothers shrine and he … Shri Mataji: She is not a mother! Yogi: What? Shri Mataji: She is not a mother. Yogi: No, she is awful, rakshasa … Yogi: …absolute … a terrible asura. Shri Mataji: That’s it! Thank God there is somebody else, talking like that. Horrible people, one better than the other … Yogi: … and Rajnish, he is another. Shri Mataji: Good! Good! You see, this Rajnish has bade a woman to write about against Me. ANOTHER Yogi: You can see. What has he, what – if he does that, … Shri Mataji: He has done it. Yogi: I would give, I would give the whole dope against him … Shri Mataji: And she came poor thing, you know she was, she, she couldn’t find anything against Me and whatever she wrote was all wrong. You see that, whatever she wrote was I never do this thing, like she said I had eaten ‘paan’ I never eat ‘paan’ and all sorts of things, when I was wearing a jade, I never had a jade and all kinds of things she has written about Me, so when I have seen the maya played on her. I am very happy that somebody is talking about it. Yogi: Shri Mataji, I think you and we all can to get together and get Rajnish because he is Mahishasura … Shri Mataji: He is more he is a Ravana, I think, he is a Ravana, he is a Ravana, you see – Mahishasura is the other one. You see, the one who is after Mahishasura has now come to London, he is coming tomorrow to see Me. He is, this Mahishasura as you know, is this asatya baba, asatya-baba. You don’t know him? Yogi: I don’t know. I don’t know. Asatya-baba? Shri Mataji: They are called as satya-baba, but he is asatya. Yogi: Sai baba? Shri Mataji: Sai baba, not the old one, the new one. You see, I was, our Ex-Prime-minster, Mr. Gurjari Lal Bhandari, you see, he has spoke very well about Sahaja Yoga, this thing and that thing, but next day somebody wrote to him that you praised Her such a lot and you did all this, but do you know one thing about Her, She criticizes all the people, even like Satya-Sai-Baba and even like your that another woman, what’s her name is?- that philanthrophic horrible woman YOGIS: manga mai Shri Mataji: Anandamayi and all these people, you see. So he was telling, “But Mother [what’s to or must you] criticize?” But I said, “Did I ever criticize to you?” He said, “Not to me, but people say your disciples did shout and say, ‘oh she is rakshasi and he is a rakshasa!’”. I said, “They must be the one who have been beaten up by them, so they must have said it with that loudness”. But he said, “What do You say?” I said, “They are correct”. “Are they?” “Yes, I think they are correct, what they are saying is correct, you don’t understand”. So I said, “Now wait, wait a minute! There’s one gentleman who has come just now to meet Me and you must talk to him”. So this one was Mr. Bharani . [You remember at him? Or You must [unclear] . He’s another interesting person, you see – Mr. Bharani. He was head long with this fellow, you see. He was the co-pilot of the whole school in Delhi. Where if you had got with this horrible rakshasa was there , all the traffic jams, nobody could go anywhere, never such a population gathered for these great rakshasa. And then this fellow, Mr. Bhalani was the main person behind the whole show, he spend Lacks and Lacks of Rupees on him and he did all that. And then, what happened? That this fellow told his wife that see you should become a sanyasin, you must give up your husband, you must come and stay with me and it is not good to be with your husband. He vanished with this all the money and the property she had in self r -all ornaments and everything, and she went down to his ashram. Now this Bharani has now realized that he has been befooled, so he came to see Me first day, you see, with terrible anger in him and he said that Mother, if you don’t mind, I want to tell you something. I said, “You see I will mind if you say something which is not decent, because be careful about Me, you must not say indecent things to Me”. He said, “No not indecent to you Mother, but I want to tell you something about someone whom people regard as a guru”. I said, “All right you tell Me, I know about whom you are going to tell”. So I told him, it is asatya-baba. He said, “How did you know?” I said, “I can see what you are catching from your chakras that he has affected you”. So then he told Me he is writing a book now about asatya-baba and he is going to do this and he is going to do that. So I told him that you come and see Me on such and such point. That time this Ex-Prime-Minister of India was talking to Me. I said, “Now talk with Mr. Bharani”. So I solved the problem both of you . And Mr. Bharani was on the subject [unclear] and he told Me how [INDIST.]. [SHRI MATAJI aside: Nothing of that kind.] But they have done their job, they have, they have [lynched?] all your money, and they are settled very nicely now. They are gathering new people, now you have to warn the new. All of you have to talk about it and write about it, take the responsibility. I have been saying this, I said this in nineteen-seventy. Yogi: If we write about it, the rakshasas who come back at us,You know, isn’t it?. Shri Mataji: No, but you have to be careful. You have to be careful. Yogi: They are very strong asuras. [Yes, I need [INDIST.]. To beckon us – UNCLEAR] the asuras, too many of them are around. Shri Mataji: All sorts of Lamas … Yogi : Llama Shri Mataji: horrible! Yogi: OOh! Shri Mataji: [You have some lamas now – UNCLEAR]. Yogi: You should have seen the one who came last week. Shri Mataji: But why do you garland them? Why don’t you beat them with shoes? Yogi: Didn’t they got Maha-Siddhis, you know, they are attempt to nothing, that f…ing [all laugh] man. [ child stuff – UNCLEAR] that, that leads to beckons. I even do what to master them because they are the people who helped hitler, they are helping the Russians now … Shri Mataji: Correct! Yogi: now … they are horrible … Shri Mataji: Have you read the book written on Me – you haven’t got the book here, yet? SHRI MATAJI. … YOGIS: Yes. Yes. Yes. Shri Mataji: You better ask him to read the book. He will know quite a lot we have tried to do. Yogi: The Advent. Shri Mataji: Advent. Yogi: It is a beautiful picture on the – Shri Mataji: The picture is beautiful and you see inside also. We have exposed all of them one by one, but in that, you see, we have to be careful.. [aside:] Hallo Biggie! BIGGIE: Hallo! Shri Mataji: We have to be careful about them because, you know, there is a law which says we should not condemn them, they can condemn us, but we cannot. But still you can say about your own experiences, this has happened. You should gather people around, but now you are already looted. ANOTHER Yogi: Looted? Shri Mataji: Yes you are already being looted. Yogi: By? Shri Mataji: By these! Yogi: By these asuras. Shri Mataji: Of course. Yogi: By these Tibetiens? Shri Mataji: Of course. Tibetiens are the worst of all. Yogi: I think so. I think so. But I haven’t got, this is England. Shri Mataji: But there is one Englishman also here. You’ve got very nicely settled down in England. Yogi: Which one? Shri Mataji: What’s his name? Yogi: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Arun Apansanyaylane] that … Shri Mataji: No, no. What’s his name? Yogi: [INDIST:SOUNDS LIKE: Yaak?.] Shri Mataji: Yaak, Mr. Yaak. Yogi: Yaak. [laughs] Shri Mataji: You don’t know him? ANOTHER Yogi: No. SHHRI MATAJI: Oh! He is sending his emissaries to Me. You don’t know him? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: He is an Englishman, he has taken a tip. ANOTHER Yogi: Who’s name, which one? There is another English fellow who is trying to [sabotage us?] all the day. Shri Mataji: Who? Yogi: Someone called Benjamin Cram. Shri Mataji: Where is he? Yogi: He does a strange thing. Whereby they hold a wire and they say they get in touch with Jesus. Shri Mataji: With the wire? Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Was Christ made a wire or – ? Yogi: We, we have raised somebody’s Kundalini and he started saying, “Oh this is very dangerous”, you know. [He talked and so he is off or …goes off]. Shri Mataji: What’s name you said ? Yogi: Benjamin Crame. Shri Mataji: Cream? Yogi: Crame. Shri Mataji: Crame? Yogi: C-r-a-m-e. That’s right. Shri Mataji: Who is he? Yogi: Hm, yah. ANOTHER Yogi: What can you tell on him? Yogi: Oh yes, I have seen that before. I know that. THIRD Yogi: He was not very lucky because we are, he was just in front of this and your teacher was just a test. This school [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: master] I think he was not very lucky. Shri Mataji: And he started shaking and what happened? Yogi: Now he, they – a person came and we raised their Kundalini and he started saying, “Oh this is very dangerous, some say cause they are not allowed to do it, and it’s all business”. ANOTHER Yogi: But he ran away, he disappeared for the rest of the afternoon – FIRST Yogi: But everybody asked, “What were you doing?”, you see, the people, the people who were with him, so what about we were doing? And we started saying something to him -. Shri Mataji: Ahh! I think the time has come, I really, now you are doing this. Do that as I tell you, do that as I tell you. Yogi: But – Shri Mataji: Do this, not condemning them [with that emphasis], , but what happens after Realization, you become mild. ANOTHER Yogi: You lose interest in that Maya. Shri Mataji: No, but you have to think of others, you see, there are so many who are going to be with us. Who will, are going to be really [disturbed ?.]. Be careful, you have to do that. For others you have to do it. Shri Mataji: It will be better if you pull back the curtains, because this is the light that should be on My face [??] Oh God! how many people you have been to, My child? What’s your name? YOGIS: [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: You, I am asking you. YOGINI: [INDIST.] Yogi: I saw her. ANOTHER Yogi: Ah, now, I am not really, I am not really, I am not doing the [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: vote-consequent] politics. I don’t know them all. I have been to millions and I … Shri Mataji: Really? Yogi: I have been to, I have been all across India and found the dana and lost and harming again, and lost it again and I looked for the heavenly tika Master Kung-fu-ze, known as Lao-tse or [Konfuzius or Confucious?] and I found the man of the Dana and I found Gopal Swami and then I lost him again. You see even this rakshasas – Digambaras-Sadhu came up after Gopal Swami had died I didn’t get to his death-beds and he died and I wasn’t there and didn’t pass on the dharma and satana dharma and so I, I … They were all wild and … Shri Mataji: This Digambara-Swaraj will beaten up Yogi: He took me up on a hill for three nights, said mantras over me and bought – now all this shanti and you know this Anahata-Chakra was before it, after Gopal-Swamis eldest son when, like that, you see, he lights up. Then after that the digambaras and said all his mantras, it is like a spike to the Anahata-Chakra, you know – bang! , but it’s like black and in the middle of the, and the petal of Manipura, you know – it’s very tough. That’s what he has done. That’s the digambaras That’s the Jain-as! Shri Mataji: Horrible! Yogi: Horrible, an asura! That’s a real asura. Shri Mataji: They talk of vegetarianism. This is what they do, the digambaras.[unclear] ANOTHER Yogi: Tum shaitan! shaitan! Tum jao..tum shaitan. [Translation from hindi: You are evil! Evil! You go, you evil.] Shri Mataji: Who these digambaras said? Avoid it! At the funniest time, point at it, digambaras [INDIST.] I confronted them when I was very young you know, just married . They had invited My husband to inaugurate something, I don’t know, some sort of a Temple or something. I did laugh all the time and these, there were about forty of these digambaras. Now ‘dig’ means directions, you see, and direction and ‘ambar’ means the cloth, so they have no clothes. Directions are their clothes, imagine! All these horrible people sitting on a stage and We both were sitting in front of them. And they were scratching themselves and horrible people and ghastly, forty of them, you see? My Husband looked at Me and said, “What is this style?” I said, I don’t know, “This is the first time I am facing these horrible dirty people. I don’t know what to call them.” And everybody was very much surrendered to them, you see. After ten minutes we just couldn’t manage. I came out and I was vomiting, vomiting and vomiting. They are horrible people, you see! Yogi: I didn’t know of that. Oh, oh – pretty well. Shri Mataji: So now you are in politics, that’s another nonsense. Yogi: We are – ANOTHER Yogi: The whole tour it was after midnight and he was a little party governor. . Shri Mataji: [Oh that’s good. I am with them, am with them Yogi: That’s good. And imagine … Shri Mataji: [] But you have to enter politics after some time, perhaps, maybe. Maybe we may have to be, if you are really liberated, in the sense that if you achieve that and there is no harm in becoming that. But just now let us concentrate on assuming our own powers and then only you have to fight it out, because – you know – even our laws are not such. Now we have in India many Justices, Chief-Justices who are Sahaja Yogis. But there are no laws so far prohibiting any black magic in India, because they do not believe in the existence of black magic in India. Can you imagine that? This is thanks to our [Lord Mc Coley?] who went to India and tried to help us with our laws, you see. So like people in England they did not believe in any laws like that. So they said, “We know that there is black magic and these people are working out black magic and we cannot do anything about it”. And sometimes these laws are very handy for these horrible black magicians. Like Rajnish they cannot catch, they cannot catch all these people and even the CBI Chief who had come and who is a Sahaja Yogi, he says, “I find it very difficult to catch them”. So you can imagine how terrible it is. First of all let us assume ourselves, let us become ourselves, let us feel ourselves, let us know our own powers and then we can fight them out much better than we can do it this way, because you have to pass certain laws now. You have to bring the attention of the people to this dimension which is not known to them and they think this is unknown and that’s why it is something divine. This is the confusion which we have to clear out. We have to have more Sahaja Yogis. So how many of you are not yet realized? [Shri Mataji counts:] One, two, three, four … Only four! I tell you There everybody is realized at the back? Yogi: No! Shri Mataji: No? Who else is not? Do come up! Come here! In front! Now it’s better. Just come in front! Yogi: This is Bill. Shri Mataji: How do you do? Come along, come, come! Who else is there – not realized? You are not? All right! What’s your name? SEEKER: Sako, s-a-k-o from Paris. Shri Mataji: Sako, from? SEEKER: From Paris. Shri Mataji: From Paris! Oh I see. Yogi: He came with Oliver [??], as far as I know. Shri Mataji: He came to the ashram, is it? You see, you are from, otherwise from Mauritius? SEEKER: I come from Africa, West-Africa. Shri Mataji: West, what part? What? SEEKER: Mali. Near Algeria. Shri Mataji: Oh I see. We have an Algerian here. Yogi: Yeah! Shri Mataji: Yes, we have an Algerian. Good. We have from Mauritius also. We have met people from Mauritius, don’t you think so? YOGIS: [laugh] SHRI MATAJI seeks aside: It is better you get My sweater also and all of that. It is for [INDIST.] or should I sit that side will be better, there is [INDIST.] it melts My Vibrations better than can – you bring? [GAP] Shri Mataji: But what are these vibrations, what you have got? It is something so great that we cannot achieve it. So there must be something special in Sahaja Yoga, not like that. Now what is so special about that, what happens to you after receiving realization, what you can work it out? How it works, how it works within you? You first work on these things. Do not divert your attention to other things. First of all you settle down with it seriously and find out what are these vibrations – how are they helping me, how are they helping others, what changes are coming within you? We should go that way. But in case you find it absolute transformation within you, you find its absolute joy and happiness within you, then you don’t have to think about these things. But it is so funny that this human mind doesn’t stop easily. You see, it’ll come back. It is to doubt something, so what? You got vibrations, so what? All sorts of things will be there. One of the reasons why in the West you do not often understand about these vibrations because it is not talked about it. People do not, but Indians know. So there is no argument on this part, once they get the vibrations they know it is something. But here you do not know, you see, so we do not know what they are. Now what are these vibrations and how they come to us – this is to be understood in full, full way, not in a half-hearted way. So like a seeker you might humble down yourself and now see for yourself how these vibrations were coming? How you can raise the Kundalini? How can you give realization to others? How you can work it out? So for this you have to come to different programs we have. Settle down yourself, settle down these vibrations within you. How to maneuver them? How to decode them? What things work with vibrations? What finger means what? Then you have to verify and find out if it is true or not, work on other people and that’s how it is going to settle down. Because in this country I have seen that you give realization to many. Now I’ve become very conscious. So what happens, they go home, then it starts working in their mind, the whole thing, because still the mind is not steady and the ego, you see, might come up and give you some ideas or else you can say come might come over somehow or the other . And what happens that you now lose vibrations. Once you lose the vibrations then you cannot understand. The first thing is to steady these vibrations, that is the most important. But people just do not steady it and then they get very upset. I would advice you that you should go through the [Shri Mataji speaks aside – UNCLEAR] . But now you can feel the vibrations of others also. From everywhere you won’t get vibrations, but say, now just now if you see his vibrations, I mean I would not like it, because if you see his vibrations you will know that he has got lots of problems within himself and these problems can show on the vibrations and you can see on your Chakras and all that. And the fellow who has come here, he too has the problem. Now he has problems because of his – what’s the name? Yogi: Now, TM Shri Mataji: Ah, we call it TM – but his Sushumna has opened out, but still his Vishuddhi is catching, that’s why his ear is not all right. If I work on his Vishuddhi then he will start feeling the vibrations, but otherwise he is Realized. You can see, on his head, you can see on your head also. Now see on your head, who has got realization, you feel the cool coming out of it. [aside:] Just feel it! Come along, feel it! Do you feel something cool coming out? Or some hot breeze? YOGINI: No! Shri Mataji: Are you all right? YOGINI: Yes! Yogi: Got Nabhi! Shri Mataji: Nabhi? Yogi: Nabhi. Shri Mataji: … and? Yogi: And Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: She has Nabhi – as you said. Yogi: Yes Nabhi, very strong. Shri Mataji: It’s the heart must be put all right, because what happens, the Kundalini sucked it from the heart. I mean from the heart the [ force-unclear] is given. With the connection, if it is established with the heart, then there is no problem. Must be first Heart, then Nabhi. See when it reaches that stage of Heart, you should attend to Heart first and then to the Nabhi. A sort of it is quite there … Yogi: I feel heart in the center … Shri Mataji: After all that is the alarming thing. Now Simon are you better? ANOTHER Yogi: Yes, first … Shri Mataji: Ah? Yogi: I can’t feel much difference. Shri Mataji: It all has been inside your head. Yogi: The head is full. Shri Mataji: Just say, are you thinking? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: No, there is no thought? Yogi: Oh no, there is a thought, I was thinking about Lancaster. Shri Mataji: Ah? Yogi: I was thinking about families in Saint John’s Wood Shri Mataji: About what? ANOTHER Yogi: About some people he knows in Saint John’s Wood. Shri Mataji: All right, now you just tell yourself, I am not going to think. Now, turn down . You turn down t. All right, you try the one thing. [to another person:] Come along! Here You just stay, turn around and see My face. Without thinking you will see My Face, all right? Yogi: All right. . You have to try all that, now you put your hands like that, all of you. Now you tell Me, if there is any burning or anything in any finger? You have been right. Both the Nabhi – correct. Now just sit, you will know, gradually, you see this is the sensitivity one has to develop, all right? Gradually, because they are so enamored . So much of flow is there, that you are not feeling. Are you feeling? Correct! From there you felt, correct. Now your heart is very week. Because it is an extol on the heart you have to be carefull. That works on the [INDIST.]. That can be very temporary but must be within first. Yogi: You have said a very deep heart-problem? Shri Mataji: No, no, no – you see, it starts when the Kundalini moves to a certain height in any chakra, it will slow down. That’s all about it. That’s somewhere existed. You know, are you better? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: You feel now? ANOTHER Yogi: I can’t feel any difference, I just … Shri Mataji: It’s all right, but are you feeling better in the head? ANOTHER Yogi: Oh yeah! I mean … Shri Mataji: That’s the main, yeah … Yogi: … I am cured. Shri Mataji: … that’s all. Bringing down your speed, all right? You have done too much of reading. What’s your age? Yogi: Twenty-seven. Shri Mataji: And you have read so much? Yogi: Yes, I want, I said today of, how can I read the liberal party manifesto, now it – [GAP] Shri Mataji: [laughs] Yogi: I really did, I am sick. Shri Mataji: Oh they have this manifestos. Not just one, but three of them, I see, you have to go to understand, Keep out of it for the time being , all right? Fine! Now you feel better? It’s good? Are you feeling better? Now can you feel anything, anyone of you? ANOTHER Yogi: I do feel some [INDIST.] sensation in my thumb Shri Mataji: Thumb? In your thumb? All right, now let’s keep it that. Now what do you feel? Nothing? All right, just now he is so much opened up. Now what about you? Bad thing? Yogi: Now I do feel this finger very strong. Shri Mataji: This finger, now … there … all right. So now you have the thumb and you have, you don’t feel anything no, then he feels on this, this finger – all right. So who else is there? What about you?

Talk in Philippa Pullar’s House, Barnes Common, London (UK), 16 April 1979. Asking questions? What is it? There are a lot of people here Mother that have not met you.. Yes I know, let them come forward..if it is awkward or uncomfortable..also sometimes people make you stand on your heads..it is nothing of the kind…there is no circus…nothing of the kind…neither you should have a body of a particular type…not important…. The main thing is you should be comfortable so that your attention does not go to things which are of just useless value..so you should be absolutely comfortable..if you can take a chair..let them take a chair..it would be a very good idea. Those who can sit on the ground, are all right? No hard and fast rule about it..sit this way or that way..nothing of the kind… It is simplest of all…easiest of all…but we are not easy, we are complicated, that’s the problem but otherwise it’s the easiest thing that should happen to all of you and you are born to get it. It’s your right to have it, it is something that has to happen also, like the spring has to come in the same way….(some seating arrangement sounds) So on the tree of life we have to have spring time also…it’s part of the (unclear) [Are you all right? [Gap] You have to have any time also. It’s a part of the whole cycle. [A Yogi: Sorry …] …I had to … [INDIST.] [SHRI MATAJI aside: It’s all right.] this may be omited completely People are expecting Sahaja Yoga, no doubt, when they talk, when they write, when they express themselves, you can see very clearly that they are expecting some sort of a breakthrough- sort of, they have reached a certain frantic condition in which they expect there has to be something. Otherwise, how can they explain the creation? How can they explain God? How can they explain that there is some force which is looking after us? So, everybody is expecting some sort of a breakthrough. Not only that, but there is also a search for a breakthrough. You can see that very clearly, everywhere. But the trouble is, you see, one has to understand that it is God’s job, not yours. That it is to be done by God, not by you. That is very difficult to accept. But when we accept our own life as a human being, we should know that we became human beings by ourselves or by God? We could not become human beings ourselves, from amoeba stage, can we? Can any amoeba try to become even a turtle? It cannot. So, how did we become human beings? By some sort of a force or some sort of an energy or some sort of a guiding hand which brought forth this happening that we became human beings. And in the same way if you have to become super-human-beings or we have to become something else more than this, or our awareness has to achieve something more – it has to happen. Only thing, if we had not spoiled ourselves, our own being – which is perfectly all right – there is no need to do anything extra-ordinary. Because in this frantic search we might ruin ourselves, we might ruin our instruments which are within us, because there is an under-current within us which works out all these things. Like the seed has its own femur, in the same way there is something within you also playing; you should work it out. But when you try to do something about it – it gets spoiled. This is a very simple thing but we cannot get out of the idea, because we [seek in our wisdom ?.] by our effort. We think we do this, as Sahaja Yogi, but do we? See these flowers, how do they come up? What is there that you have done to create them? We do something dead. We do not do anything living, we cannot do anything living. Now just stupid this, what do you think have we done? Nothing at all! Everything that is dead we are converting into different forms. Say, the tree is dead so we make a furniture , we say, “Oh we are great, we have done this furniture”. It’s from dead to dead. What living work have you done? Once we realize that we have done nothing living so the living God has to do this. He has to do it and he will do it through his own – he can seed, he can grow . He is not going to make you do it. This he has never asked you to do anything. Why should he now trouble you? He has created you in his own love, this beautiful universes just for you to enjoy. But this is all a brain wash as long as you do not have the sensitivity to enjoy. But the sensitivity is lost. Moreover the sensitivity is there at last has to be again manifested in a different way to really absorb the beauty and the joy that god has created. It’s a very delicate instrument which lies within you. They have told you that it is called as Kundalini . Of course they have played havoc with it , you know that. They have really made a mess of what is called Kundalini? They have ruined it, completely ruined and that’s how they have ruined your inner being. It is shocking, really shocking. And in your frantic search you also believed these horrible people who are just out to ruin you. These people have no relationship with reality, they don’t know who is Christ, they don’t know who is Mohammed, they don’t know who is Nanak. They don’t know anything about the great Incarnations who came on this Earth. They don’t want to talk about it! There is no relationship, there is no historical background to what they are saying. After all if there is a tree and everything within comes in a circle. This has a history; it was a seed first, then it grew up to big tree and even a seed has its history that it was a seed and then a flower. So when these people just start talking to you off hand without any relationship to the historical background or to their – you can say – to the surrounding, they are just … In English language you can say, they are talking nothing. But why do we believe it? Because they have something in them for which they control us. Now you have your own conceptions say about god that god should be like this, god should be like that . This concept cannot be your own, how is it your own? How, now how do you say that god should be like this, or like that? What is your ideal? But why do you decide that god should be like that? What is your basic? Ask questions please! Then it will give you different [INDIST.] What is your basic purpose? What have you read about god? Who looks as he read? Can you discriminate between a person who is real or who is unreal? Time has one very great advantage that in history you can find out that time crops down everything that is false. Everything that is false is cropped down and whatever real remains. Like about Christ you see, where he lived how people just see. They said, you know what things they have said against Him and they crucified Him. Now they have the biggest problems how to explain His resurrection? Who has asked them to explain? Now why should they explain? What is the need to explain His resurrection? He was resurrected because He was very different from you people are. He was not a human being. You cannot even explain how a flower becomes a fruit – which you see everyday, can you? You cannot even say why there is gravity on this Earth. From where did it come in the Mother Earth? Can you explain? You cannot explain anything whatsoever through your science, can we any ‘why’ , how can it be we cannot explain? Then how can you explain the resurrection of Christ? But you want to explain that, if you cannot explain then you stand on two legs. Either you say that you are exhausted – it is not so, how can you? I met some very frivolous people in Argentina, they said, “Why was Christ poor, why did He take birth as a poor Man?” I said, “Who are you to decide about it?” I mean, you will take to His birth according to His own wish, because He is really free. This you cannot understand, you know, human beings cannot understand that free, free personality, because you are not. He can take His birth anywhere He wants to take, He can do whatever He likes with Himself, because He is freely free. And in all this freedom whatever He does is for the good of the whole. While when we are free we do something that will be absolutely nasty, and maybe very much destroying the whole, because our freedom is too very lunatic. We have no sense of judging a person, not at all – because we are not [inward – UNCLEAR] realized. At least that should happen to human being where they achieve a sense of freedom. This is absolute. So they have a problem, what is resurrection of Christ – let us explain, let us understand. One way, as I told you, is to just to say that we cannot explain, so it’s all wrong; you shouldn’t believe anyone, He was just like that; should’nt believe in any Incarnation, there were no good; resurrection is falsehood, it was all a myth – so we feel very happy about it. . You are being very honest. Then you do not know the whole truth. What is the sense of your honesty and dishonesty? Say I do not know this house, how it looks like, all right? Then I should say I do not know – is all right. But then to form a complete idea about this house, even denying it. You see denying it, means you are not honest. So this is one way of looking at it, especially intelligence you see. It makes you think like that, and you think you are being very rational. But rationality if it is of that much limited shows ego-centric, as you can call it, which cannot see things beyond, it is no rationality. Why do you in the rationality think that perhaps He was resurrected, because there was something special about Him, which we could not understand? Rationality should see things that happened, which rationality cannot explain. Like as I said a tree having flowers, and then becoming fruits. A tree that is a mango tree can give you mangos, and a rose bush will give you roses, and the birds that are cuckoo birds will sing the way they are. What is the rationality behind it? Why do they do it? What is their place in this universe? Through rationality you can recognize one thing that rationality is silliness. It cannot pass the barriers communications of understanding. The second style is that you don’t believe in, then its all right, He was resurrected all right. He was resurrected all right, so believe in Christ and believe in Him. So we believe in Him, we don’t believe in anything else, we just believe in Him. Now even if Christ comes and stands before you and says that I am Christ now, see for yourself – you are not going to believe. You believed in the Christ who got crucified because you were not there. Who were there never believed Him. But when He comes back and says, “Now I am here sitting before you, now you try to recognize Me and find out if I am Christ or not”. So then you’ll say that how can that be? We like to believe in Christ who died, now He is finished, now what do you do? This is another style. So we get two extremes we can say, is one side is fanaticism. You can say akward and very detrimental for human growth and when you turn away from that, from one thing to another; you go to the other side where you start feeling, ‘oh how can you believe it’? So we do not believe. So this is the same, in-between these two where we stand. In many countries all over the world, all the young people are awakened to this fact that fanaticism is something stupid. So they are moving to the other side towards the rationality, the intellectualism. But a simple thing one should understand, does rationality give you joy? It is so dry. You go on building words after words, at the end you are tired, fagged out, jittery. . You have had a discussion with an intellectual say twice or thrice and say, ‘better you go to a pub’. You will be in the tension and really you will become jittery. As I was just now telling, I went to Switzerland and I was surprised about them. Just all they stand, this is an argument. This one is saying something, the other one is saying something and the whole argument was on and on and on and people were so jittery . The vibrations were, all the children were shattered as if they are moving on a, what you call it as a wheel, no as if a wheel is [rotating?] and the people are moving on a wheel, so much shattered and everybody got shaking like that. What sort of vibrations will be there ? Children themselves were [shocked?] and the whole atmosphere was beautiful. The nature was so beautiful and the nature was looking absolutely tired, fagged out and dissatisfied and the people were, I don’t know what they were [INDIST.] their brains were shooting off their all very very speed, extremely speedy. So what have they achieved? Are they happy? Has that rationality done any good to them? Nobody seems to be happy in that affluent country where rationality is the way they look at things. And even when we talk of selfishness – I said, “Unless and until you discover yourself, how can you be selfish? You can be only shellfishes but you cannot be selfish!” In Sanskrit the word is svartha, for selfishness is the word svartha. Svartha means – sva means yourself, the being, and artha means the meaning. If you know the meaning of yourself, then it is svartha – but how will you know? If there is an undercurrent working out, if there is something that is working it out you see. It would be a folly not to expose ourselves to that and to understand our own value, our own place in this Universe and our own meaning. Why are we here? So rationality, if it is based on wisdom, then you can see very clearly that it is wise to wait and see. But wisdom is only possible if you understand the limitations of rationality. If you are too much identified with rationality then wisdom becomes dimmer and dimmer. So we have to know ourselves – that’s very important. You are not to be guided by the tricks of people who just want to get money of you or some sort of a reputation or I don’t know what they want to make out of themselves, but what you have to do is to really know ourselves. Unless and until you know yourself you are not to believe anyone. But that doesn’t mean by any chance that you close yourself. Just say to know this house is to come inside this house. In the same way to know yourself is to enter into your own being. Now how can you enter into your own being? Which is the way? It is a typical human question – how? But I ask you a question: “Now how does a seed grow?” So you say, “We don’t know”. All right, so you do not know ‘how’. Somebody has to know it. If you do not know – say I know. Why should you be angry with Me for that? I say, I know. Supposing I don’t know, I don’t even know how to make a candle, I don’t know how to run this transister, I don’t know even it is Mine or it is [Douglas’s], Am so bad. I think I don’t know so many things, but if I know this then why should you be angry for that? Why should you feel hurt? Then this hurts people! If you know, well and good, that’s a very good thing, if you know it’s a very good thing. But if I know that – now what should I do about it? Should I not tell you how to do it? I should. But that hurts people very much, you will see that in the history of all the saints, of all the incarnations, if you [want it OR understand], it hurts them. What did Christ do, that you should have [been OR Him?] – Christ crucified? So the question comes in, why do we feel hurt about it? Let us have it! Do you feel hurt if somebody gives you a diamond? If your property is locked up, do you feel hurt if I tell you that this is your property and you will use it? What is there to feel hurt about it? Now where does your rationality go when it comes to reality? At this time the rationality should help you. And the way people judge it is also something very, very absurd. When you know yourself, as I say, you will know others also. Now when you know yourself, how will you know you know yourself or not? You should feel yourself. You do not know what is within . By any chance it happens to you that you start ‘seeing’ what is within you – ‘seeing’ is feeling. Then you start feeling the others, their inner being and yours , then still should you be no doubting about it? So why should we doubt? What is the advantage? Say people are getting drowned and there is a boat, there’s a boat of love that is coming trying to save you – you can feel it, you can feel the boat, you can also get out of the water. You can feel that you are out of the water for the time being, again you jump back. Now what you should believe into – is the boat. If you don’t believe into the boat, how will you have a stronger grip? This is the problem, this is the problem of the western mind – you have to feel it. I’s not the problem of the eastern mind so much, they have other problems. They have other terrible problems, but you forget about them, we discuss about our own problems here in this country and around- in all the western people. You have achieved affluence to effort as they think. You believe in Christ. Because whatever you see to be in this way, it’s not absolute. I can prove it to you just now. If you bring a television set you can see in that, that those pictures are also here, otherwise how are you getting it? They are in the atmosphere. You are sitting down here, you can’t hear the music, but if you bring a radio I can prove it to you that this music exists here also. You have to [respect OR just connect?]. All kinds of things from all over the world, if you have really a very sensitive radio, a extremely sensitive, you can catch the music from [UNCLEAR]. Do you realize that? Even as you are your awareness is, you know you have increased it through all these various methods. So we have to understand that whatever you’ll know through this human manifestation, whatever you have is not complete, is not perfect, is not yet that level. If this could be understood through your rationality, rationality has done its job. But even that much is not possible. Then its going to be difficult. This understanding about yourself has to grow. This, of course. I mean you do feel it. Do we really do not understand ourselves and our fellow being? We know that, we are sure of that, you are quiet sure of that and that’s why you are confused. But if there is a method by which you can clear this points and if it works and clicks in you – then you have to believe into it. That is what is called as faith and not the blind faith. Why should there be, be two words like “blind faith” and “faith”? If faith means blindness, then there should not be two words? That means that there is something like blind faith and there is something like faith. Even in Sanskrit-Language we have one called as ‘andha shraddha’, another as ‘shraddha’. So the faith starts after the experience and we come to a point now that we all should have the experience of the self to begin with and we have to believe into it and through that faith we have to mould it. Rationality also has faith – otherwise rationality cannot exist. Perhaps we do not know how we work out our rationality. Supposing you are going by a car and you say I have no faith in the way the car moves. You get into the car. Then you know the car moves well so you [press the key into the ?? …] and you have faith in it. I mean at every step you have faith, otherwise what is faith, is nothing but your experiences which you have seen. And the rationality is the one that accepts, accepts that faith and proceeds further. In everything that you do out of rationality you do not go further unless and until you have faith in what you are doing is correct. You have to believe into it, otherwise you cannot exercise your rationality. You follow this point? But by no chance it means “blind faith”, this is another madness as I have told you. There is a very easy method for people who are blind – just to open their eyes. But those people who are blind and believe that they can see everything, it’s an impossibility. Those who say, “We are blindly following something”, then you can say, “All right, if you are following, blindly following we will show you where you are going”. You can hold their hand and put them on the right track and then open their eyes and they will be very much willing to open their eyes. But what about people who are blind, but think that they can see everything and can analyze everything and can rationalize everything? They are a little difficult. So we have to bring our rationality to a point that so far we have not been able to achieve it; let us have it. Once you say that, it works out.In some people I have seen Sahaja Yoga works wonders, works very fast. They jump into it much more faster than others. Some of them really go very deep into it and they settle down there. In some people it works very slowly; in some people they think they have gone very deep and they come out very fast. So one has to know it is for your own being; it is for your own selfishness because that goes into our rationality. If something is for our selfishness we understand it better – but it is, hundred percent it is for your selfishness and for the selfishness of the whole of which you are a part and parcel. It is the method of love, of god,. Because god loves you, He has done all the things. He wants to entertain you, He wants you to grow big, to mature and then to have the beauty of His own creation completely enjoyed by you. It’s all His love. His love is working out His power to love, there is a living energy that does it. How can it harm you? We talk of love, talk of universal life, we talk of universal organizations also. We have so many organizations which are universal, they talk of those things . I met so many of these people also, but there is no love. Love is the universal energy, love is the universal thing that exists . It is so pure, so purifying, it’s so joy-giving. But we have to have faith in that and not in ourselves as long as we are in imperfect condition. When we perfect ourselves then you will know that you are nothing but instruments of love. God wants to use you for His love. He wants to express His love and He wants His love to flow through you so that it goes to others. And He wants you to make so beautiful that you become absolutely sensitive to the beauty of love. This is the new dimension that He wants you to enter into and that is what is the kingdom of God. So if you could put down your mind a little bit and tell him not to be so jittery, it will work out. You have depended on a horse which has been playing around with you. It will become your friend and it is going to look after you. It has been may be miserable sometimes, it has been neutral, and it has also may be ego-centric and egoistical in a very subtle way which you do not know and it has been playing around with you and has been keeping you away from reality because it is testing; it is your friend. The moment it knows that you want that, the absolute, it settles down. This is Sahaja Yoga, is the power that is bestowed upon every human being to be united with that divine Power to be an instrument of this divine Power, this is the ultimate of our evolution which has to happen. Do you think god is going to leave it without being completed? If He is the All Mighty then He is going to do it. There is only one snag that it is your freedom. God has made you free because to enter into His kingdom where complete freedom is to be enjoyed, you have to be there in your own freedom, not in bondage. So your freedom is there, you chose between ego and wisdom and then you have to enter into that arena. This is your own, acting through your own. Now if you have any problem, you ask a question! You couldn’t see anywhere as I said, could you? You could? That’s great, that’s great. What you say? Some questions should be there. Yogi: Too many! Shri Mataji: Too many are there, ah? I know. What’s that? ANOTHER Yogi: I am just new to Sahaja Yoga … Shri Mataji: Yes. Yogi: … what should I be doing? Shri Mataji: Perhaps, feel it. What should I tell you, you dare not to do anything. First it’s like you people are drowning [in all these things OR as we say, ..examine?] and then they are to be saved. Now who does that – is the swimmer. Then you come to the shore and you learn to swim. Completely! Then you know all that swimming, then you can help others, it is as simple as that. Now this, say, one is enlightened but I have a candle which is not, just I have to face it towards that, it’s that. You are built-in , everything is there. You are computerized already, the computer is in, only you have to be put to the mains. SEEKER: Shri Mataji, do you believe in [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: what Christ has done] and what have you done? Shri Mataji: What’s it? Yogi: He says, do you believe that Christ was a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: dancer]? Shri Mataji: What? What? YOGIS: That Christ was a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: dancer]. Shri Mataji: Who is this one ? Come forward! Now what does that matter, whether I believe it or not ? [Who are you?] Now sit down, sit down! Come along, come along! Come along, sit down! Now whether I believe it or not, what does it matter, tell Me! Why do you want to go into headaches? They are all headaches, I tell you really. SEEKER: I think I couldn’t make it another question. Are I? Shri Mataji: You see the thing is I believe not only believe, but I know all of them are correct. Absolutely true! But you see, what has happened with human brains, whatever is told to them, whatever is coming, is coming from their unconsciousness. Then we make a dogma out of it and start fighting. [GAP] …. not understanding because all of you, I would say those who look at it, all of them have only one eye and that too partly opened. So somebody sees this, somebody says that. Things that can be seen clearly only when you are fully open to it, isn’t it? Now you come in this room for example and the whole thing is all darkness, I can’t see. So I jump on to this table say, “This is really a huge thing” , then I say, “This picture is the thing”, then I say, “This light is the rope”. It is like that. So whatever is discovered in the Virata quite clear to Me. It’s not clear . It is so simple. I’ll tell you about, recently I asked her, “Why do they go for theosophical works for Christianity?” I just couldn’t understand, you see. I said, “Did Christ say so anywhere in the bible?”, because I have not read it. I haven’t read [He was a baptizer, so I really tell you this- UNCLEAR] [I haven’t read it either?]. So I know what it is. So I said, “Did He say or anywhere or in the Bible it is written that there should be philanthropic work done by Christians?” They said, “No, but it happened once, you see, when Mary Magdalena wanted to anoint Him with some oil. And Peter said, ‘Why should you do it? Why shouldn’t you try to use this oil, sell it and make money and give it to the poor?’” It is typical, you know? He was no Prophet. So Christ said that poor are with you all the time, headaches you see, but I am with you for a short time. He tried to emphasize the importance of Divinity, of divine Light that is with you – very important thing for Christians. But if this is the example for it, I mean this is stupidity. So if you go into the arguments and to the finding out of all the different Vedanta, ideals and things like that, it will be another sort of a problem. But the best way to see the unity of it is to go to the point where you are united. Like now say, if you say, “Do you believe in this flower?” Then another will say, “Do you believe in that flower?” “No, I believe in all of them”. “How?” “Because if I am in the sap I believe into all of them”. So let us go to that point which is universally supplying knowledge to all of these branches, all right? If you reach there then you’ll be amazed to see how this diversity has such a unity [after all?]. You have to go to that unifying factor to see this so called diverse things, having the same unifying power in it. All right? Yogi: Yes. SHRI MATAJI (to a Yogi): You have read Vedanta? Yogi: No, no, but …. Shri Mataji: The truth! Yogi: … in India one can’t … Shri Mataji: … get out of it … Yogi: … get help very much [??] Shri Mataji: … oh, oh, horrible people in that country. Oh, you don’t know – they are mad, real mad [unclear] I tell you. Don’t go near them! ANOTHER Yogi: … rakshasas, asuras … Shri Mataji: … asuras, asuras … Yogi: … asuras … Shri Mataji: … asuras. They are rakshasas, real rakshasas some of them are. Imagine they challenged Adi Shankara Charya I must say. When he wrote His vivekachudamani, they got after His life. So He gave up everything – He said, “All right, I will just sing the praise of the Mother – finished! I am not going to talk”. He has been a very clever man though … [Shri Mataji aside: (INDIST.) How are you? Good? All right? You have to do it! They danced before the inward eye. All right?] You see, it is the bliss of God you see. What a beautiful picture! [This is a place to take birth – unclear] for the realized soul, no doubt. You have so many of them here. So this is the problem and you can’t just get out of it. You see, if you go to India there is a lot of muck around. But you don’t go from the backside, that’s the problem. You go from the front side and to enter into India is through the villages, not through these cities. Even Benaras – horrid, never go near it! All horrid people live there … Yogi: … Kunda [??] … Shri Mataji: … What? Kundas, Kundas! And the rakshasas and a horrible, terrible people! They are all to be thrown away. They are being already punished by the river Ganges, and the Yamuna has punished them. Horrible people they are- cheats; they are even worse and … Yogi: They all want paisa. They all want paisa. They all talk about paisa. Shri Mataji: … Paisa, paisa, paisa! Now thank God there is somebody, you please record him! When I say that, people get very angry with Me. When I tell them that all these Pandas must be thrown into the Ganges, but why spoil the Ganges also? You can find some better place to drown them. But why do you, how are you impressed by them? Indians are not impressed by them. I am surprised how are you impressed by these horrible hypocrites? Yogi: Shri Mataji, can I come in there? I am not actually an Indian born Indian, I am an African Indian, I was born in Africa, but I know a lot about Indian and when you say, ‘we are not impressed by’ like I mean Shankara Charya and … Shri Mataji: Shankara Charya they are, but not by these horrible gundas who live in the temples and things and sell hashish … Yogi: … true but if You, when I was in Uganda you see any persons who’s been there, You know, they were as You described, even so these people, You know like you said paise , where we go money is there. and a lot of us, you know, the younger ones who have seen all this , not heard about it, are not so impressed by it. So once I have heard about You, I was really impressed. I also heard about other swamis and all that like, what’s his name, I can’t remember his name … Shri Mataji: One better than the other. Don’t take their names. They are all horrible. One better than the other, I went to East-Africa for your information, and I saw horrible things happening there, too … SEEKER: All right! I know this. Shri Mataji: … you see all kinds of these horrible people are being exported from you. You see, because they don’t need any licence for its exporting or importing. And they very nicely go and settle down in East-Africa there might be hundreds, hundreds of these thugs, sitting down there, doing Puja, this, that and collecting all kinds of people around and exploiting them. And East-Africans are very traditional people, you see, they went there long time back, they are still keeping up their traditions and [divine?] and then they took Me to a temple there and in the temple when I was there they all were doing ‘hooh, hooh, hooh, hooh’ – all were possessed! In My presence they all got possessed and I asked, “What sort of a Temple is this one?” and it was a Kali’s Temple, just imagine! I said, “He is wretched” , not because from where have they come. And I asked them, “Who is the one, who is your guru?” The guru had run away, you see, that he was not there. I bashed them nicely and I told these ladies that throw him away, this is what it is and you are all wrong. There is so much of black magic, this, that going on in that East-Africa. It’s, you know, every third person was possessed. Horrible things were happening and maybe in Uganda also and you have such a horrible, this rakshasa there living. Now thank god is finished and all these people , were so much impressed by these, from this pandits and pandas coming from there. I know, I know it is, you are right there, absolutely right. But you go and see what I told you, and when I was in East-Africa I told all of them, even these Jain-is and all of them and I shouted at them and I said, “You will go all of you to hell”. And they were so much frightened, they said, “What are You saying Mother?” I said, all these will fall down in no time, all these temples and all these. But here are also the same things I find, My child, it’s nowhere an exception, except it is very clever here and it is very crude there, but also here the same. Yogi: But Mother, I have the same feeling when I was in Brazil they worshipped together Mary and black magic. Then I wondered and they wanted to talk about the things to me and they stopped because I talked about Your name and they stopped to speak about it. Shri Mataji: Very true! You see, this is what it is, without self-Realization you cannot understand god. Without self-Realization you can even worship a demon or a man thinking that is God. That’s why you must have self-Realization, that is the only way you are going to know that. One small thing will people do not understand, how can you purchase god? How can you pay for god? In East-Africa I know, it was so, I am so, people were mad and you don’t know why. My host himself his wife were so sick. She was so sick, she was mentally so upset and she was getting into fits and things like that, but we have to do something about it and I told that this is all wrong, throw away all these people – same in Uganda. This is all money-making propositions but you awaken to it. You see, there is a fashion now in East-Africa. ‘Who is your guru?’ Everybody must have [attain?] here; they must have a guru. Why must you have a guru? I can’t understand, but you do not know whether he is a guru or else he is a rakshasa. Yogi: So You see, when I meant in that sort of things later means that when I talk about You to them, You know, it is the same thing, they said that if She is to you so much, he is to me just as much, you see? Shri Mataji: ‘But what have you gained’? is the point, you should ask them. All right, you should say that. ‘What has he given you?’ You have given him money, you have given him fruits, you have given him clothes, you have done everything – what has he given to you? He is suffering from all kinds of diseases – what has he given? You see, if he is at a higher position you should get something from that – isn’t it? What has he given you ? But when you come to Sahaja Yoga, what happens to you? You are physically, mentally, emotionally you are put right. Spiritually you start feeling the vibrations, you can cure people, you know there are many Sahaja Yogis who have cured people. You can cure cancer! That is one-sided, only the person who can give is the Guru, not the one who can take. That’s why he is called as Guru. If they say so, you should ask, ‘what have you achieved?’ Only you have cleared out with your purses, given away all that you possessed, now you have become a beggar, that’s what you have achieved. They are possessed by these people, that’s why they can’t see. They can’t see, you know they posses you, that’s why you cannot see. In India we had a cult called, now even today it is, after Vandana-Charya they were called as Vaishnavas and all that. I don’t know what to call them, because Vandana Charya himself was a realized soul, and he had eight disciples who did not get Realization, very unlucky. And when they started following this ‘ashtachap-vaishnava-dharma’. In this you know, what they had? You will be shocked, if I tell you. The head priest was supposed to enjoy the bride on the first night. Any bride! And he was invited to anybody, anywhere in India. A person had to spend lacks of Rupees and this is what the blessing from the guru they were given. Now what to say to such silly, stupid, useless – what should I call them? Now I don’t know many bad words. . What do you say to such stupid people? You see, that’s why we need intelligent people for Sahaja Yoga – to understand. But not intellectuals, there is a difference between it – you should be intelligent. Intellectuals are the people who just enjoy the mental fields , you see like sucker. They are nowhere, they are just moving in the same – UNCLEAR]. There is no where somersault, you see, some somersaults you should have. But these , this is very true, this kind of a fanaticism is there. But you young people can fight it out. That’s why you are born at this time and you are young. You have to tell them that this is wrong – [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: not many] – also I must say in East-Africa within eight days time there was such a change – such a change, tremendous change came, and they were [INDIST. elderly?] people also, even I went to the, actually the Jain-is had arranged My program, then I gave them right and left there all about Jainism and about Mahavira I told them, “What are you doing? This is not Jainism”. Not a word! They started thinking about it. So it is true, they are like that, it’s a sad thing, but there is a trick in Sahaja Yoga by which you can turn them round. I will tell you later of it. There are lots of tricks by which you can make these people come around. Oh! I worked out lots of permutations and combinations. Only thing you must decide to learn all these tricks. For fanatics also we can work it out, only thing they should know that they have not achieved anything, then it works out. They know when they get sick also. There is one society in India which they invited Me to address – their name is “Servants of God”. I said, “All right”. As soon as I reached there they came out with their problems mostly physical. They said, “This is wrong with us, Mother. You must cure this”. I said, “Now what kind of servants of god are these ?” All of them are sick people, now what have I to do with them? But they realized it was a sickness that if you were really servants of god and you are really serving god, then you should be [perfect OR first fit]. That means something is wrong. So all those who had been to India, before getting Realization, raise your hands – I wanted to see. Before getting Realization, went to India. . [UNCLEAR]. You, You have been to India before getting realization, you went down? Yogi: I haven’t got realization. Shri Mataji: That’s it, so now you are one of them. Now who else? You have been there too? You better write down all the nonsense of Indians, all right? Next week we have to [publish it OR publicize]. May God bless you! May God bless you! You write it down, all your experiences, because after realization we forgive them, and you will not even remember, you better write it down. You! They way they have used you and troubled you, very important! You see? You have to inform the government of India about it, they are busy … Yogi: I am going to tell all about the Pondicherry-Ashram, I won’t forgive them in the Pondicherry-Ashram. I got beaten up by the gym-master there. I am not going to forgive them for that … Shri Mataji: All right! I am with you, for that! Please write it down! [Yogis laugh] Yogi: All that thing is a tack -stall, the whole thing is run by Mahishasura. Shri Mataji: Ha, Ha! That’s good! Now will you please write it down for Me, I’ll give it in writing and get more things Yogi: I was certainly will. I tell You the whole story, he was a gym-master, he was making love to his girl-friend in the mothers shrine and he … Shri Mataji: She is not a mother! Yogi: What? Shri Mataji: She is not a mother. Yogi: No, she is awful, rakshasa … Yogi: …absolute … a terrible asura. Shri Mataji: That’s it! Thank God there is somebody else, talking like that. Horrible people, one better than the other … Yogi: … and Rajnish, he is another. Shri Mataji: Good! Good! You see, this Rajnish has bade a woman to write about against Me. ANOTHER Yogi: You can see. What has he, what – if he does that, … Shri Mataji: He has done it. Yogi: I would give, I would give the whole dope against him … Shri Mataji: And she came poor thing, you know she was, she, she couldn’t find anything against Me and whatever she wrote was all wrong. You see that, whatever she wrote was I never do this thing, like she said I had eaten ‘paan’ I never eat ‘paan’ and all sorts of things, when I was wearing a jade, I never had a jade and all kinds of things she has written about Me, so when I have seen the maya played on her. I am very happy that somebody is talking about it. Yogi: Shri Mataji, I think you and we all can to get together and get Rajnish because he is Mahishasura … Shri Mataji: He is more he is a Ravana, I think, he is a Ravana, he is a Ravana, you see – Mahishasura is the other one. You see, the one who is after Mahishasura has now come to London, he is coming tomorrow to see Me. He is, this Mahishasura as you know, is this asatya baba, asatya-baba. You don’t know him? Yogi: I don’t know. I don’t know. Asatya-baba? Shri Mataji: They are called as satya-baba, but he is asatya. Yogi: Sai baba? Shri Mataji: Sai baba, not the old one, the new one. You see, I was, our Ex-Prime-minster, Mr. Gurjari Lal Bhandari, you see, he has spoke very well about Sahaja Yoga, this thing and that thing, but next day somebody wrote to him that you praised Her such a lot and you did all this, but do you know one thing about Her, She criticizes all the people, even like Satya-Sai-Baba and even like your that another woman, what’s her name is?- that philanthrophic horrible woman YOGIS: manga mai Shri Mataji: Anandamayi and all these people, you see. So he was telling, “But Mother [what’s to or must you] criticize?” But I said, “Did I ever criticize to you?” He said, “Not to me, but people say your disciples did shout and say, ‘oh she is rakshasi and he is a rakshasa!’”. I said, “They must be the one who have been beaten up by them, so they must have said it with that loudness”. But he said, “What do You say?” I said, “They are correct”. “Are they?” “Yes, I think they are correct, what they are saying is correct, you don’t understand”. So I said, “Now wait, wait a minute! There’s one gentleman who has come just now to meet Me and you must talk to him”. So this one was Mr. Bharani . [You remember at him? Or You must [unclear] . He’s another interesting person, you see – Mr. Bharani. He was head long with this fellow, you see. He was the co-pilot of the whole school in Delhi. Where if you had got with this horrible rakshasa was there , all the traffic jams, nobody could go anywhere, never such a population gathered for these great rakshasa. And then this fellow, Mr. Bhalani was the main person behind the whole show, he spend Lacks and Lacks of Rupees on him and he did all that. And then, what happened? That this fellow told his wife that see you should become a sanyasin, you must give up your husband, you must come and stay with me and it is not good to be with your husband. He vanished with this all the money and the property she had in self r -all ornaments and everything, and she went down to his ashram. Now this Bharani has now realized that he has been befooled, so he came to see Me first day, you see, with terrible anger in him and he said that Mother, if you don’t mind, I want to tell you something. I said, “You see I will mind if you say something which is not decent, because be careful about Me, you must not say indecent things to Me”. He said, “No not indecent to you Mother, but I want to tell you something about someone whom people regard as a guru”. I said, “All right you tell Me, I know about whom you are going to tell”. So I told him, it is asatya-baba. He said, “How did you know?” I said, “I can see what you are catching from your chakras that he has affected you”. So then he told Me he is writing a book now about asatya-baba and he is going to do this and he is going to do that. So I told him that you come and see Me on such and such point. That time this Ex-Prime-Minister of India was talking to Me. I said, “Now talk with Mr. Bharani”. So I solved the problem both of you . And Mr. Bharani was on the subject [unclear] and he told Me how [INDIST.]. [SHRI MATAJI aside: Nothing of that kind.] But they have done their job, they have, they have [lynched?] all your money, and they are settled very nicely now. They are gathering new people, now you have to warn the new. All of you have to talk about it and write about it, take the responsibility. I have been saying this, I said this in nineteen-seventy. Yogi: If we write about it, the rakshasas who come back at us,You know, isn’t it?. Shri Mataji: No, but you have to be careful. You have to be careful. Yogi: They are very strong asuras. [Yes, I need [INDIST.]. To beckon us – UNCLEAR] the asuras, too many of them are around. Shri Mataji: All sorts of Lamas … Yogi : Llama Shri Mataji: horrible! Yogi: OOh! Shri Mataji: [You have some lamas now – UNCLEAR]. Yogi: You should have seen the one who came last week. Shri Mataji: But why do you garland them? Why don’t you beat them with shoes? Yogi: Didn’t they got Maha-Siddhis, you know, they are attempt to nothing, that f…ing [all laugh] man. [ child stuff – UNCLEAR] that, that leads to beckons. I even do what to master them because they are the people who helped hitler, they are helping the Russians now … Shri Mataji: Correct! Yogi: now … they are horrible … Shri Mataji: Have you read the book written on Me – you haven’t got the book here, yet? SHRI MATAJI. … YOGIS: Yes. Yes. Yes. Shri Mataji: You better ask him to read the book. He will know quite a lot we have tried to do. Yogi: The Advent. Shri Mataji: Advent. Yogi: It is a beautiful picture on the – Shri Mataji: The picture is beautiful and you see inside also. We have exposed all of them one by one, but in that, you see, we have to be careful.. [aside:] Hallo Biggie! BIGGIE: Hallo! Shri Mataji: We have to be careful about them because, you know, there is a law which says we should not condemn them, they can condemn us, but we cannot. But still you can say about your own experiences, this has happened. You should gather people around, but now you are already looted. ANOTHER Yogi: Looted? Shri Mataji: Yes you are already being looted. Yogi: By? Shri Mataji: By these! Yogi: By these asuras. Shri Mataji: Of course. Yogi: By these Tibetiens? Shri Mataji: Of course. Tibetiens are the worst of all. Yogi: I think so. I think so. But I haven’t got, this is England. Shri Mataji: But there is one Englishman also here. You’ve got very nicely settled down in England. Yogi: Which one? Shri Mataji: What’s his name? Yogi: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Arun Apansanyaylane] that … Shri Mataji: No, no. What’s his name? Yogi: [INDIST:SOUNDS LIKE: Yaak?.] Shri Mataji: Yaak, Mr. Yaak. Yogi: Yaak. [laughs] Shri Mataji: You don’t know him? ANOTHER Yogi: No. SHHRI MATAJI: Oh! He is sending his emissaries to Me. You don’t know him? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: He is an Englishman, he has taken a tip. ANOTHER Yogi: Who’s name, which one? There is another English fellow who is trying to [sabotage us?] all the day. Shri Mataji: Who? Yogi: Someone called Benjamin Cram. Shri Mataji: Where is he? Yogi: He does a strange thing. Whereby they hold a wire and they say they get in touch with Jesus. Shri Mataji: With the wire? Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Was Christ made a wire or – ? Yogi: We, we have raised somebody’s Kundalini and he started saying, “Oh this is very dangerous”, you know. [He talked and so he is off or …goes off]. Shri Mataji: What’s name you said ? Yogi: Benjamin Crame. Shri Mataji: Cream? Yogi: Crame. Shri Mataji: Crame? Yogi: C-r-a-m-e. That’s right. Shri Mataji: Who is he? Yogi: Hm, yah. ANOTHER Yogi: What can you tell on him? Yogi: Oh yes, I have seen that before. I know that. THIRD Yogi: He was not very lucky because we are, he was just in front of this and your teacher was just a test. This school [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: master] I think he was not very lucky. Shri Mataji: And he started shaking and what happened? Yogi: Now he, they – a person came and we raised their Kundalini and he started saying, “Oh this is very dangerous, some say cause they are not allowed to do it, and it’s all business”. ANOTHER Yogi: But he ran away, he disappeared for the rest of the afternoon – FIRST Yogi: But everybody asked, “What were you doing?”, you see, the people, the people who were with him, so what about we were doing? And we started saying something to him -. Shri Mataji: Ahh! I think the time has come, I really, now you are doing this. Do that as I tell you, do that as I tell you. Yogi: But – Shri Mataji: Do this, not condemning them [with that emphasis], , but what happens after Realization, you become mild. ANOTHER Yogi: You lose interest in that Maya. Shri Mataji: No, but you have to think of others, you see, there are so many who are going to be with us. Who will, are going to be really [disturbed ?.]. Be careful, you have to do that. For others you have to do it. Shri Mataji: It will be better if you pull back the curtains, because this is the light that should be on My face [??] Oh God! how many people you have been to, My child? What’s your name? YOGIS: [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: You, I am asking you. YOGINI: [INDIST.] Yogi: I saw her. ANOTHER Yogi: Ah, now, I am not really, I am not really, I am not doing the [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: vote-consequent] politics. I don’t know them all. I have been to millions and I … Shri Mataji: Really? Yogi: I have been to, I have been all across India and found the dana and lost and harming again, and lost it again and I looked for the heavenly tika Master Kung-fu-ze, known as Lao-tse or [Konfuzius or Confucious?] and I found the man of the Dana and I found Gopal Swami and then I lost him again. You see even this rakshasas – Digambaras-Sadhu came up after Gopal Swami had died I didn’t get to his death-beds and he died and I wasn’t there and didn’t pass on the dharma and satana dharma and so I, I … They were all wild and … Shri Mataji: This Digambara-Swaraj will beaten up Yogi: He took me up on a hill for three nights, said mantras over me and bought – now all this shanti and you know this Anahata-Chakra was before it, after Gopal-Swamis eldest son when, like that, you see, he lights up. Then after that the digambaras and said all his mantras, it is like a spike to the Anahata-Chakra, you know – bang! , but it’s like black and in the middle of the, and the petal of Manipura, you know – it’s very tough. That’s what he has done. That’s the digambaras That’s the Jain-as! Shri Mataji: Horrible! Yogi: Horrible, an asura! That’s a real asura. Shri Mataji: They talk of vegetarianism. This is what they do, the digambaras.[unclear] ANOTHER Yogi: Tum shaitan! shaitan! Tum jao..tum shaitan. [Translation from hindi: You are evil! Evil! You go, you evil.] Shri Mataji: Who these digambaras said? Avoid it! At the funniest time, point at it, digambaras [INDIST.] I confronted them when I was very young you know, just married . They had invited My husband to inaugurate something, I don’t know, some sort of a Temple or something. I did laugh all the time and these, there were about forty of these digambaras. Now ‘dig’ means directions, you see, and direction and ‘ambar’ means the cloth, so they have no clothes. Directions are their clothes, imagine! All these horrible people sitting on a stage and We both were sitting in front of them. And they were scratching themselves and horrible people and ghastly, forty of them, you see? My Husband looked at Me and said, “What is this style?” I said, I don’t know, “This is the first time I am facing these horrible dirty people. I don’t know what to call them.” And everybody was very much surrendered to them, you see. After ten minutes we just couldn’t manage. I came out and I was vomiting, vomiting and vomiting. They are horrible people, you see! Yogi: I didn’t know of that. Oh, oh – pretty well. Shri Mataji: So now you are in politics, that’s another nonsense. Yogi: We are – ANOTHER Yogi: The whole tour it was after midnight and he was a little party governor. . Shri Mataji: [Oh that’s good. I am with them, am with them Yogi: That’s good. And imagine … Shri Mataji: [] But you have to enter politics after some time, perhaps, maybe. Maybe we may have to be, if you are really liberated, in the sense that if you achieve that and there is no harm in becoming that. But just now let us concentrate on assuming our own powers and then only you have to fight it out, because – you know – even our laws are not such. Now we have in India many Justices, Chief-Justices who are Sahaja Yogis. But there are no laws so far prohibiting any black magic in India, because they do not believe in the existence of black magic in India. Can you imagine that? This is thanks to our [Lord Mc Coley?] who went to India and tried to help us with our laws, you see. So like people in England they did not believe in any laws like that. So they said, “We know that there is black magic and these people are working out black magic and we cannot do anything about it”. And sometimes these laws are very handy for these horrible black magicians. Like Rajnish they cannot catch, they cannot catch all these people and even the CBI Chief who had come and who is a Sahaja Yogi, he says, “I find it very difficult to catch them”. So you can imagine how terrible it is. First of all let us assume ourselves, let us become ourselves, let us feel ourselves, let us know our own powers and then we can fight them out much better than we can do it this way, because you have to pass certain laws now. You have to bring the attention of the people to this dimension which is not known to them and they think this is unknown and that’s why it is something divine. This is the confusion which we have to clear out. We have to have more Sahaja Yogis. So how many of you are not yet realized? [Shri Mataji counts:] One, two, three, four … Only four! I tell you There everybody is realized at the back? Yogi: No! Shri Mataji: No? Who else is not? Do come up! Come here! In front! Now it’s better. Just come in front! Yogi: This is Bill. Shri Mataji: How do you do? Come along, come, come! Who else is there – not realized? You are not? All right! What’s your name? SEEKER: Sako, s-a-k-o from Paris. Shri Mataji: Sako, from? SEEKER: From Paris. Shri Mataji: From Paris! Oh I see. Yogi: He came with Oliver [??], as far as I know. Shri Mataji: He came to the ashram, is it? You see, you are from, otherwise from Mauritius? SEEKER: I come from Africa, West-Africa. Shri Mataji: West, what part? What? SEEKER: Mali. Near Algeria. Shri Mataji: Oh I see. We have an Algerian here. Yogi: Yeah! Shri Mataji: Yes, we have an Algerian. Good. We have from Mauritius also. We have met people from Mauritius, don’t you think so? YOGIS: [laugh] SHRI MATAJI seeks aside: It is better you get My sweater also and all of that. It is for [INDIST.] or should I sit that side will be better, there is [INDIST.] it melts My Vibrations better than can – you bring? [GAP] Shri Mataji: But what are these vibrations, what you have got? It is something so great that we cannot achieve it. So there must be something special in Sahaja Yoga, not like that. Now what is so special about that, what happens to you after receiving realization, what you can work it out? How it works, how it works within you? You first work on these things. Do not divert your attention to other things. First of all you settle down with it seriously and find out what are these vibrations – how are they helping me, how are they helping others, what changes are coming within you? We should go that way. But in case you find it absolute transformation within you, you find its absolute joy and happiness within you, then you don’t have to think about these things. But it is so funny that this human mind doesn’t stop easily. You see, it’ll come back. It is to doubt something, so what? You got vibrations, so what? All sorts of things will be there. One of the reasons why in the West you do not often understand about these vibrations because it is not talked about it. People do not, but Indians know. So there is no argument on this part, once they get the vibrations they know it is something. But here you do not know, you see, so we do not know what they are. Now what are these vibrations and how they come to us – this is to be understood in full, full way, not in a half-hearted way. So like a seeker you might humble down yourself and now see for yourself how these vibrations were coming? How you can raise the Kundalini? How can you give realization to others? How you can work it out? So for this you have to come to different programs we have. Settle down yourself, settle down these vibrations within you. How to maneuver them? How to decode them? What things work with vibrations? What finger means what? Then you have to verify and find out if it is true or not, work on other people and that’s how it is going to settle down. Because in this country I have seen that you give realization to many. Now I’ve become very conscious. So what happens, they go home, then it starts working in their mind, the whole thing, because still the mind is not steady and the ego, you see, might come up and give you some ideas or else you can say come might come over somehow or the other . And what happens that you now lose vibrations. Once you lose the vibrations then you cannot understand. The first thing is to steady these vibrations, that is the most important. But people just do not steady it and then they get very upset. I would advice you that you should go through the [Shri Mataji speaks aside – UNCLEAR] . But now you can feel the vibrations of others also. From everywhere you won’t get vibrations, but say, now just now if you see his vibrations, I mean I would not like it, because if you see his vibrations you will know that he has got lots of problems within himself and these problems can show on the vibrations and you can see on your Chakras and all that. And the fellow who has come here, he too has the problem. Now he has problems because of his – what’s the name? Yogi: Now, TM Shri Mataji: Ah, we call it TM – but his Sushumna has opened out, but still his Vishuddhi is catching, that’s why his ear is not all right. If I work on his Vishuddhi then he will start feeling the vibrations, but otherwise he is Realized. You can see, on his head, you can see on your head also. Now see on your head, who has got realization, you feel the cool coming out of it. [aside:] Just feel it! Come along, feel it! Do you feel something cool coming out? Or some hot breeze? YOGINI: No! Shri Mataji: Are you all right? YOGINI: Yes! Yogi: Got Nabhi! Shri Mataji: Nabhi? Yogi: Nabhi. Shri Mataji: … and? Yogi: And Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: She has Nabhi – as you said. Yogi: Yes Nabhi, very strong. Shri Mataji: It’s the heart must be put all right, because what happens, the Kundalini sucked it from the heart. I mean from the heart the [ force-unclear] is given. With the connection, if it is established with the heart, then there is no problem. Must be first Heart, then Nabhi. See when it reaches that stage of Heart, you should attend to Heart first and then to the Nabhi. A sort of it is quite there … Yogi: I feel heart in the center … Shri Mataji: After all that is the alarming thing. Now Simon are you better? ANOTHER Yogi: Yes, first … Shri Mataji: Ah? Yogi: I can’t feel much difference. Shri Mataji: It all has been inside your head. Yogi: The head is full. Shri Mataji: Just say, are you thinking? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: No, there is no thought? Yogi: Oh no, there is a thought, I was thinking about Lancaster. Shri Mataji: Ah? Yogi: I was thinking about families in Saint John’s Wood Shri Mataji: About what? ANOTHER Yogi: About some people he knows in Saint John’s Wood. Shri Mataji: All right, now you just tell yourself, I am not going to think. Now, turn down . You turn down t. All right, you try the one thing. [to another person:] Come along! Here You just stay, turn around and see My face. Without thinking you will see My Face, all right? Yogi: All right. . You have to try all that, now you put your hands like that, all of you. Now you tell Me, if there is any burning or anything in any finger? You have been right. Both the Nabhi – correct. Now just sit, you will know, gradually, you see this is the sensitivity one has to develop, all right? Gradually, because they are so enamored . So much of flow is there, that you are not feeling. Are you feeling? Correct! From there you felt, correct. Now your heart is very week. Because it is an extol on the heart you have to be carefull. That works on the [INDIST.]. That can be very temporary but must be within first. Yogi: You have said a very deep heart-problem? Shri Mataji: No, no, no – you see, it starts when the Kundalini moves to a certain height in any chakra, it will slow down. That’s all about it. That’s somewhere existed. You know, are you better? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: You feel now? ANOTHER Yogi: I can’t feel any difference, I just … Shri Mataji: It’s all right, but are you feeling better in the head? ANOTHER Yogi: Oh yeah! I mean … Shri Mataji: That’s the main, yeah … Yogi: … I am cured. Shri Mataji: … that’s all. Bringing down your speed, all right? You have done too much of reading. What’s your age? Yogi: Twenty-seven. Shri Mataji: And you have read so much? Yogi: Yes, I want, I said today of, how can I read the liberal party manifesto, now it – [GAP] Shri Mataji: [laughs] Yogi: I really did, I am sick. Shri Mataji: Oh they have this manifestos. Not just one, but three of them, I see, you have to go to understand, Keep out of it for the time being , all right? Fine! Now you feel better? It’s good? Are you feeling better? Now can you feel anything, anyone of you? ANOTHER Yogi: I do feel some [INDIST.] sensation in my thumb Shri Mataji: Thumb? In your thumb? All right, now let’s keep it that. Now what do you feel? Nothing? All right, just now he is so much opened up. Now what about you? Bad thing? Yogi: Now I do feel this finger very strong. Shri Mataji: This finger, now … there … all right. So now you have the thumb and you have, you don’t feel anything no, then he feels on this, this finger – all right. So who else is there? What about you?

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"Give up Misidentifications". Dollis Hill ashram, London (UK). 22 April 1979. …and because of the cleansing of the feet of Christ they said, “Why should we waste such a lot of oil? You can sell it and give it to the poor.” And Christ said - now see what He said - that Christ Himself has said these words and if they are depicted the same way. You just see the meaning and what you should take out. He says that, “These poor are forever, but I am for a short time.” You see? How clearly He has said that there’s no philanthropic work involved. But people take the other meaning! I don't know from where you get the other meaning? That you must look after the poor. That's not your job at all! Alright, Atul? That's not your job to look after the poor. What we have to work out [is] in the middle. By which we can pull the right and left to both the banks. You have to be in the middle course! When we are in the middle course, we first of all settle down ourselves nicely, and then the left and right can be engulfed. The poor and the rich. The over-rich are horrid people! They smoke, they drink, they are wretched people. Gambling, this, that, all sorts of things they do. They waste their lives. They don't know how to face themselves. They are in the worst possible condition. And the poor are another style, labour class and all that. So you have to bring them to the centre. But how? You yourself have the depth within yourself. You can pull all of them together into this. First solution has to come in the central path. Alright? So this is it, that, when you start doing your philanthropic work you cannot do it with Sahaja Yoga, you cannot. Of course, I mean poor is alright, in the Indian villages I can work it out, but very poor will not take to Sahaja Yoga. They'll take to drinking, smoking, or if some time is left, then burgling or cheating. They will take to these things because, for them, eating is the main thing. Just like animals they are. And for the very rich, they are another type of animals - they are vultures. They cannot live without being parasites on the society. If you tell them anything they will not understand you. So, the upper classes is useless [and] the lower class is useless for us. Ours is the middle class, which has to settle down with the values of Sahaja Yoga. And then once they see you, the river flowing, they can be enriched and they will come to us. You are like a river and we have to enrich both the banks, this side or that side. That is important. One side you have to cleanse, on the upper class and the lower class you have to enrich them. But if you do not have that within yourselves how are you going to do it? Sahaja Yoga is going to work for the middle class. This is the point. Not for the poor and the greedy. And that's a very wrong thing to do [that] attention is put to the poor. That's not our job. We have not created poor have we? We have not. Who has created them? The upper class. We [can] club them together, the upper and lower class. So they’ll say, “We’ll have Labour government.” Both are just the same! That’s it you see. They think by denying God, we are challenging God. [They think] if they deny God then God will fall at their feet, that’s why they deny. Otherwise what is the need? What matters? Is he standing for any election? Is He contesting any election that you are saying, “We do not believe in God!”? What does it matter? So that is how we understand that these are fools. Maria: Is there any way, Mother that.. Shri Mataji: That's what I said that, the way is that the middle class should be developed. Maria: …for these people who are on the extremes like that to say, “I do not believe and I am angry.” Shri Mataji: Then let it be. You don't make them believe. Maria: Yes, but is there any way of helping them to come to an understanding in the beginning? Shri Mataji: If you think that you can make these people believe, you cannot. It’s wrong. They will not. They will not, because the more you will try to do it, the more they’ll [continue], because their ego is hurt. They are the people whose ego is hurt because they find some people rich. The person on this bank and this bank: he sees this, he sees this. We are somewhere down below here, alright? And they are seeing each other. So their ego is hurt very much. And here there are people who are egoistical. So both do not believe in God. What does it matter if they believe it or not? There is God. They just want to say it out. “Here it is, a big words!” I have seen everybody [saying], “I believe..” Now, who are you? Everyone says, “I believe into…” I mean, believing, from where it has come? From where did you get this belief? What is your experience? So that's how they do it. So they have to say, if a politician comes up and gives a lecture. “I believe that this is this.” So everybody hears that, so they go on home [and] they say, “I believe in this!” It’s like ringing one bell, putting into another bell and the resonance starts and everyone says, “I believe.” (laughter) I find, in this country, even an ordinary beggar talks like that! There’s no humility of any kind. That's why they talk like that - they lack of humility. They are so aggressive. You just see how aggressive they are. They have aggressed all the cultures of the world. Now today's article, I brought it for you to see specially. Now, in Tehran, whatever they have done, Tehranis have done, they have put a chaddar on a lady and say, “You wear a chaddar.” So an English lady writes about it. She says, “They have made our body…” You see, now, your attitude towards life - you can say a British attitude or you can say the Western attitude - is that your body is very beautiful so you must show it. Why? Why cheat yourself? It is not because your body is beautiful that you are showing off but [because] you want to catch it. It's simple. It is as simple as that. Face it! But you want all the world, all over the world [that] the women should be like you. It's such a subtle aggression. You don't know. They have killed all the cultures of the world with this kind of an understanding that, “We are the best! Most educated and sophisticated people.” But others also must exist. They have their own cultures, understand them and think. If you do not say, “Please, give me this,” then he’s [regarded as] uncultured. It is such a subtle aggression on everybody’s culture. That's how you have removed all the Indians from South America and North America. Everywhere, wherever these people have gone they have finished the cultures. It's a very, very special type of aggression these people have, and aggression has a reaction always. Either the other culture's people, those people who have other cultures, would strive to be this culture, because this is supposed to be the greatest of all. To say like that, that, “We should not be afraid of showing, we should not be ashamed of our body.” What is something like privacy within us? Is there nothing like privacy? We should respect our bodies! Now if this is the attitude taken, that everybody, “Oh, this woman is inhibited because she does not show off her body.” The showing off of the body is nothing but is a subtle prostitution! You see it’s on, and on, and on. It's very subtle. Now another suggestion comes in from there that, for twenty-five years they cannot believe that people can remain celibate because in this country people cannot. But there are so many countries where they really remain celibate till they are married; so many of them. But according to them it is not possible, so those who remain must be wrong, they are telling lies. And they force this on others that, “You become like us only! Because our noses are cut so you also cut your noses.” On all types of people. If you go anywhere, all the Western people, what they have ruined is the culture, is the variety of culture. And such subtle cultures they have reduced to nothing! And by their aggression they have told people that, “We are the highest of highest. English language you must know! You must know French! You must know this!” So, what I am saying is: when we understand, we have to change. We must know we have to be really humble. Not in language, not in behaviour but inside. To know that we do not aggress others. Alright? So this Labour [party] and this one problem is only of aggression. One community here. Now, say you take an elite person, so-called elite. That's why I liked ‘Evita’ - they have made a big satire on all the elites. The dancing how they do. They have made a big satire on all the upper classes and all the lower classes and all that type. It’s a very good one, I must say. It’s a very good satire - ‘Evita’ . It’s a very good satire ever since long. So, now, if you have that aggression within you existing, then better take it out. The culture of the Spirit has to come in you. That is to be there. If that culture doesn't come, then these all cultures are very aggressive, and they can never give any happiness to anyone. Labour [Party] people think that they are hurt by the elites, or by the rich or the upper class. But what are they aspiring to be? They are aspiring to be the rich people themselves! They are hurt by the rich and they want to be the rich. It would be like, if you are hurt by somebody’s shoes, you become the shoe yourself. If you are hurt by the rich people then why do you want to be rich? It's a simple question. For a person like me who has no materialism I cannot understand it. Simon: Can I say something about our political system? Shri Mataji: Yes. Simon: It was set up on the three gunas, you have radicals who are Rajas, Conservatives who are Tamas and you have in the middle the Liberals who are Sattva, intelligence. Shri Mataji: But I tell you Liberals also need Realisation! They are to be reborn. Otherwise you will had one horrible Jeremy Thorpe (a homosexual MP accused of murder)! Why did you give him anywhere the seat (in parliament). You gave him a seat, why should you give a seat? You should have courage to say, “Better not be there.” He has got a seat! Yogi: He’s going back to his seat. He's standing for his seat again. Shri Mataji: Yes, What I am saying is: unless and until they take to realisation it will not work. Yogi: I told David Steel about Mataji, I told David Steel about Mataji. Shri Mataji: What I am saying [is]: just by proposing that you are in the centre you do not become. “Sahaja, Sahaja,” Kabira has said it: “Sahaja Sahaja, saba karata,” (meaning) “They all say Sahaja, Sahaja, but they are not!” You should be ashamed of such a horrible leader you had for so many days! Simon: Jeremy Thorpe? Well he’s better than some that we’ve had. Shri Mataji: No, no, horrible he is! You just see his vibrations. Horrible person he is! No, no, no. All of them are just the same! To me all of them are just the same - there is nothing to choose. But if you have a choice… Simon: You see, England: we aren’t an aggressive nation and I don't like you saying that we are an aggressive nation! Shri Mataji: No, no, no. You are not aggressive when it comes to something else. But when it comes to cultures, you do like this. Simon: Well we are uneducated, I admit. When we came to India we didn't know what we were doing, so we cut off from it and we wouldn't have anything to do with it. Shri Mataji: What English brought from India? Pyjamas (laughter) Jodhpurs, verandahs. And what else did you buy? So, you are aggressive that way. You see? So, all these things have to be changed. Like Indians must change and they should not accept whatever you give them. Simon: Our aim of being in India was not an aggressive one. And we weren't aggressive! Shri Mataji: In India? New person: I don’t like hearing these things! Shri Mataji: You may not like it but we have had it!! You don't know how they treated us. You have no idea Simon. Simon: When I go to India and why do they say, “Victoria Rani”? I want to know why in India they say “Oh, we want [Victoria] Rani back.” Shri Mataji: Arey! If you pay money to someone! Another person: Well I’ve met Indians who like Germans for kicking us out because they say without the second world war… Shri Mataji: No, no, I tell you very simple. Just Simon, Simon. Listen, listen! I’ll tell you. You will understand. Very simple. It is very simple. It is a poor country. You give them money, they can sell you anything. They gave kitaabs and they gave these…we never had these. Like they called somebody [with a title]. What do you call that? All these M.A.D PhD’s and all that, that you have here? ‘Titles’! They gave titles and they gave this and that. English know how to do it. And they collected some people to say something about it. But the way they had to fight it out, you don’t know. You don't know. You were not there. Simon: Have you seen Satyajit Ray’s film ‘The Chess Players’ (शतरंज के खिलाड़ी)? Satyajit Ray is the best filmmaker in India. Shri Mataji: That’s what you people think because he tells all about our poverty! He doesn't know anything about our Indian culture, not a word. He doesn't know anything about spirituality - Satyajit Ray. He is alright, people like him because he sings the saga of communism. That's why people like him. That’s not India! He never represents India. It’s alright, he is very good at getting very old people who have somewhere showing all their ribs and stomachs and this and that. That's how he does and people like it, because there is a kind of a sadism: we like to see poverty, we like to see some people being tortured because we feel we are tortured. It's very subtle Simon, I tell you. You are a different person, you cannot understand it. But now you are different. I am not talking about the people who came to India, but I am saying today also as the Western mind is. With your rationality, with the so-called scholarships that you have, the so-called we can say industrial… Simon: Indians these days go overboard for Bertrand Russell… Shri Mataji: That's what I am saying! This is what I am saying! The same thing as you are saying, I am saying the same thing. You are giving them and they are taking it, whether it is poison or anything! This is what I am saying. They are another type of fools! You are one type, they are another type. You aggress and they take it. If anything comes from India they will accept. If anything goes from England they will accept it! It's a funny thing going on. Yogi: But we get all these fake gurus all coming out from India. Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s what I am saying! You take from them, they are another sect. They are sending some gurus to you, you accept them! And this is the mutual understanding going on. There’s a big fraternity of thugs! Yogi: After all, you built a fantastic Wembley building for them! Shri Mataji: (Laughing) See now! You see the joke! Whole thing! Once you say that, “We are British or not,” - finished there. You just say, “We are human beings,” and then you can see the whole joke. If I say, “I am an Indian,” I’m gone, finished! Yogi: It’s not a political thing. Shri Mataji: See, it's not politically. It’s much higher. You don’t identify yourself with any group and then you can see the joke. If you are identified then you cannot. New person: You don’t have to take it literally. You have to take the essence of what Shri Mataji is saying. You listen, you take the essence not the literal thing of what Mataji is saying. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. If you listen to me, the whole thing you will understand it, very clearly, what I am trying to say. Don't get angry. When I am saying “aggression is there”, you see, what I do not understand that people do not study others and just [try to] bring about your own ideas onto another - that's great aggression. Now, in my own house, my two daughters are there: I have not told them what is Kundalini! Can you beat it? Can you beat it? Even not told them what is Kundalini, leave alone giving Realisation. Same with my husband. If they do not want it, I am not going to aggress. This is non-aggression. But that doesn't mean I accept aggression from them. So, when you accept aggression is the same as if you give aggression, if you do aggression. For me, both things are just the same. So, when we have to change ourselves, we should say, “What do we do?” “Where are we?” “Are we aggressing others or are we taking aggression?” Now, say Atul feels guilty, then he’s taking in aggression. If you feel like [an] egoistical way that, “This is wrong! That is wrong!” then you are aggressing others. All these things must be seen in it’s full context and in the full view of the whole thing, so you will understand. But what happens [is] we identify ourselves with one part of life. We say, “This is the thing.” And either we aggress others in that case or we take aggression. This is sickness. This is the sign of sickness. Anytime this happens, sickness starts. And this is the cause of sickness of all the human beings all over the world. But once you identify yourself with the whole then you start seeing the whole as a diseased thing. And then you feel [like] treating that disease as a doctor. Then you do not identify yourself with any sickness. Alright? That is what means ‘Sahaja’ life is. So, now if you have somebody sick - alright - so now you understand that by helping that particular sick [person]…Of course, if it is your desire it will be done, because you are one with the whole. But the approach towards that sickness is difficult. Do you understand my point? It’s one way to help because he's sick, he’s poor - is different. What I am saying: the approach should be that we become absolutely confident of Sahaja Yoga. We establish our own powers - absolutely. And then we make them also the same. Because they will fall sick, they'll have all problems, unless and until they are alright. So that is the primary thing that must be done. Because on one side they are the people whose ego is hurt, the other side are the people who have been suffering from their egos. So, if you have to help both of them, you have to bring them in the centre. Alright? Do you understand my point now? Now, to bring them in the centre is not to appease them. Not that way. But by developing the centre. Let the centre grow far, on both the sides, so it engulfs all that. Do you understand Maria? Maria: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: They will never believe in God because that is the way they can assert their ego. Indians are another set of fools, absolutely set of fools, because [of] the way they are following you people! I mean you are already in the ditch, where are they going? Firstly, they do not have any values about honesty about them - that’s finished. Now even if they are getting the other values also from you then these sickly people, where will they be? As it is they are thieves. When a thief becomes an immoral person, now what will happen? It's like somebody has been bitten by a scorpion and on top of that he takes wine, then what happens to such a person? So the aggression is within, which is to be corrected. For all Realised-souls, it is important to see if we are taking any aggression within us is equally wrong as giving aggression to others. We have to develop a set of people who have the idea of Reality, those who understand what is Reality. Those who are going to set in another type of way, which will cut down this vicious circle. We have to have that kind of mind, by which we see the disease of the whole and try to correct it. That's how we can manage. But if you start identifying, even today I would say, with any one of them, you are mistaken. Now do you understand my point? You just don't identify with any one of them! You have to identify yourself with Reality, with your Self - to begin with. When you become that… Yogi: Nirguna! Shri Mataji: Not necessarily nirguna. You start with saguna only. Because I am in saguna, what to do? If you do not come in saguna - saguna is ‘with forms’ - if you do not come in the form, nobody understands, who will talk to you? A Nirguna cannot talk to you. So the saguna had to come. Now you establish within yourself the complete understanding of the saguna. Now, don't doubt too much. If you are a doubting Thomas you will end up with zero! I can tell you this much. We have had people for years together. There is one gentleman coming for seven years and you know him, and nothing could be done. And he’s supposed to be a wrangler in mathematics! So, you must see the people who have understood the saguna and how far they have gone; and, if you are to progress, you try to understand it now, first of all. Secondly, you must also understand that you are going to be the people who are going to lead the whole world into a new awareness, into a new life, into a new dimension! So don’t identify with people who are still blind, who do not see. They’ll make you more blind. Identify yourself with people who have seen something. The ones who have had experiences, you identify [with]. Put your attention to them, then only you can see. And that is only possible when you start giving up your misidentifications. Do you see? As long as you have misidentifications you will be mad! You would not know what to do about it. That’s sickness. You got involved into these identifications gradually, because the atmosphere is like that, the whole surrounding is like that. From all sides you have people who just engulfed [you]. They club you into it! You have to jolly well come in to it! Your freedom is cut off. You are not free to think about it. And that's how you are not free from misidentifications. To begin with you were alright, but gradually you started getting enveloped and identified with your mistakes. How are you responsible for what your forefathers have done in this country, or my forefathers have done in my country? Tell me. Who are they to you? They might have been born in China now with chinky eyes. (laughter) That’s it! Or could be in Rye (?), or could be running away with [Idi] Amin as his soldiers. Could be anywhere! And we are not responsible for them, whatever they have done. Alright? Keep it at that point. Now, if you feel responsible even for anyone who belongs to your tribe, still it’s wrong, because you are different people. When you become that then you must identify yourself with the new tribe, the one who has known the Reality. But human beings identify very easily with something so much illusory: like if you are born in England you are English, if you are born in India, you are Indian. You could have been born in Timbuktu or any place! These all misidentifications create this problem in you. Then with this identifications also, you go into complete circles. If you are an Indian, you start speaking like an Indian, behaving like an Indian: all the good and bad of it. Same with English, same with French, same with everything. Gradually you start, [the] misidentification starts working in you. But you are the Pure Thing inside. These all impurities cover you. So to free yourself from all these impurities, of any kind. I tell you this is like possession in you. To be free absolutely of all these things is the ultimate aim. So, all these ideas, when they come into your head, please remember that all these have come to us because we belong to a particular society, a particular caste, a particular religion. Now, for example, the other day, you know, there was a gentleman who said, “I feel very guilty all the time.” So I said, “Are you a Catholic?” He said, “No.” So I said, “You have no business to feel guilty!” (laughter) Because if you are a Catholic, you are made to feel guilty all the time! It’s a collective. From childhood, if somebody gets a brain wash all the time, a little child doesn't understand. You go and tell him, “You are a sinner.” He said, “No?” You go on telling him, he’ll say, “Am I a sinner?” Then he goes to the church. Then they tell, “You are a sinner.” Yogini: You must confess! French yogi: ‘Repent, repent’! Shri Mataji: Repent, repent. Now he says, “What should I repent?” So he thinks about it, he goes to the priest and he tells him that, “I repent for one thing.” He said, “What?” “Because I opened the tap.” He said, “What?” “I opened the tap and my mother’s scolded me for that. I repent for that.” So it starts from there, and the whole thing starts working out. Then poor thing repents for something else. But inside, when he’s repenting, he’s building up a pouch. And that's how these horrible people, so-called ‘Christians’ - or so-called ‘Hindus’ also we can say - all of them just the same. But I am saying about these, how they have gone against Christ. There’s one thing he taught is non-aggression! You make somebody feel guilty and you have it! Absolutely satanic! Is there any mention in The Bible, that Christ wanted somebody to confess to him? Where did He mention by any chance? Yogis: No, no. Shri Mataji: Then why these people have started this confession business? And who are they, compared to Christ, that they ask for confessions? Appointed by some theological college! Elected by some people where the smoke comes out of the chimney! (in the Vatican when the new pope is elected) All these silly things you digest without thinking about it and then you are misidentified also Maria. Alright? So, you must understand. Be happy and joyous that you have found that Eternal Life and be one with it. Maria: I will Mother Shri Mataji: Alright. And you tell them off that, “You are all silly fools. And you go ahead with your idiocity! And when you are absolutely drowned, then come to us!” Maria: I used to do that until they strangled me Mother. That’s when you found me Mother and you pulled me out of that. Shri Mataji: I know. Maria: That’s what I used to say to spiritualists. I used to tell them what I thought of them. Shri Mataji: But why? A spiritualist whom are they? Do you know who indulges? All these poor things. Same in India! We have all these horrible tantrikas, this, that. If you see, tantrikas are mostly prevalent in Bengal, in Bihar, in U.P., in Kerala, in Madras, Assam. And there you find the poverty! And maximum are in Bihar which is the poorest of all! I mean, see the absurdity of these people: that place that we went to, Kovalam, is in Kerala. The people are extremely poor and for the newspaper people this is the main issue they have - that poverty. They want to take advantage of it all the time - poverty. As if they are very poor, live like poor. And these people arranged my programme in a big hall, and it was a carpet or something, I don't know what it is; so they published that she was living in suites of rooms with wall-to-wall carpet and this nonsense! I was, poor thing, living with these people! But why? Because they wanted to imply that she lives in luxury or whatever it is. I live always in luxury whether I am poor or rich - makes no difference to me! So, this is what is the accent they had. But why there is poverty, why don't they think? Do you know, in that country, such a wretched condition is, that Shri Adi Shankaracharya was born in that country, and these people told me that, “We do not know who he was and also we do not know that he was born in this country.” They should be ashamed of themselves! And the second thing that they did [was] that they tortured him because when he came back, when his mother was sick, they would not even give him water, they said, “You are a sanyasi, you have no business to come to your mother. “ And when she died they would not burn her. So, he burnt her in the house itself and he used all the banana trees to burn her off. And then he cursed that country that, “The way I had to burn my mother, you will be doing the same.” So now, they cannot burn. So what they do [is] they dig the graves and put them just in front of their houses. So imagine every house is hovered by all the thousands of horrible people who are dead! We went to one village and asked the condition of the people. They all ran out! They [the yogis] said, “Oh God!” Ask Rustom - they said, “Mother, what sort of a village is this?” And then you talk of emancipating these horrible nonsensical people! Why should God do that? They want to run after the tantrikas, then the bhoots come in and how can you have your problem of poverty solved? Tell me any country where there are so many bhoots and there is riches. Always you’ll find the poor people indulging more into it than the rich! And once the rich start indulging into it you’ll also become. It is a very simple thing. I can understand if you people do not know but Indians know this, but still they do it - that, if there is one bhoot coming inside your house, all your Lakshmi will be destroyed. Everyone knows this but still they do it in India. Rustom: There’s no doubt Mother that the moment that you return to London the Left Agnya goes. And when you leave it you can feel it releasing. When I was in the plane going to Germany I could feel it release and when I was coming back it caught again. Shri Mataji: England is full of it. No use bringing up Labour and Conservatives and all that. If they want to listen to me, destroy all these tantrikas from here, one and all - you’ll be alright. You try any trick - you will have problems. But who will listen to me? They used to believe in witches and all that once upon a time. There used to be witch hunting and all that, but they have stopped it. Now witches are very nicely settled down in this country. Simon: Many Christians are witches Mother. Shri Mataji: Yes! So-called Christians! Simon: No. It doesn’t mean that they are bad. No! It doesn’t mean that they are bad. Shri Mataji: They are not bad but they are bad, in a way, because they bring all the bhoots from outside. Simon: No, they make the fields grow and we have to keep witches here otherwise we’d get no harvest. Shri Mataji: Some bhoot is speaking through you. (laughter) Some bhoot is speaking through you, you know. Simon: I’m sorry. Shri Mataji: Simon, you are correct, but there is a witch in you that is speaking, you are not saying that. How can you say witches should be here when I have just told you all about them, what they do? Do you want people to suffer from poverty? Suffer from all kinds of mental diseases and troubles? We don’t want them here. Simon: (continues muttering in a quiet voice like a madman) Shri Mataji: What you want you do not know. First of all you find out what you want, write it down, and let me know. First of all you should get rid of all these operations on you. In your room itself, there’s a problem: these witches are there, around. All of them are here. You must clear them. They all have to get out from this country. If, by my coming here, if I cannot do even that much, then what’s the use of my coming here? But if you are identified with them then what can I do about it? All the churches are doing that. As I have told you already that this confession business is very wrong. Whatever is the problem of a particular country is to be handled in that particular country, isn’t it? In India also we have the same problem. But that’s a very different type. I mean it is not an organised religion so I can wipe it out better but it is organised here! The Seventh Day Adventists, these another horrible Pentecostals, they are organised, they are accepted by law, they are doing all these things here through law! Arnaud: Mother, Don’t you think that, when they give you the sense of being guilty and all that, through the Christian and Catholic Church, [that] they want at the same time to increase their power? Shri Mataji: Of course! This is the play, this is the play. But only an intelligent man can see that’s true. You make somebody feel very guilty, that is how they brainwash you! It’s only brainwashing. As Hitler could brainwash Germans, these people have also brainwashed you. In India, also, they do the same thing - brainwash you. They have done all kinds of brainwashing but the only difference is this, that the Western religions are all organised. So when they are organised they become firm and they have much more power than a religion which is disorganised. You can hit them better! Now the priest here is so much respected! In India a priest is not respected so much. Ask him, he is a brahmin! (laughing) If a priest comes into our house we do not respect him. He takes money, we know he takes money. We do not respect him the way here the priest is respected. Because it is organised. They have made their norms and things by making some respect. Arnaud: What is terrible [is that] they gave the illusion; and during the middle age they give to the Western countries knowledge, religion of knowledge. Because through the knowledge they wanted to introduce the religion. And afterwards religion became to be knowledge. Shri Mataji: So the vicious circle starts. So you must decide it and you must give up your misidentifications, first of all. Because all your diseases come from your identifications. Alright? Say now you are Greek. Now Greeks also have certain misidentifications, quite a lot of them! Maria: Many! Shri Mataji: (laughing) So, once you start becoming a Sahaja Yogi or a universal personality, you just dissociate from all that, you do not stand for that. But if you are a real Greek, then you must tell all the other Greeks also that, “This is what it is!” If you really love them. Arnaud: I would be pleased to say that to my aunts you know. Shri Mataji: (laughing) About your aunts I am not so much worried! Because that’s an age now, they are gone. But what about the future that’s coming up? Now the people who belong to such organised religions, as they have, which has happened in India: in the same way it’s going to happen here also, that they are not going to believe in any religion whatsoever. The other side has started as you said! They don’t believe in any God. Maria: I don’t really know what they need to find out. Shri Mataji: Nothing! It’s just a swing from one extreme to another extreme, that’s all. There is no direction, there’s no guidance. It’s just a swing from believing into it too much - fanaticism - to another [which] is non-belief! Our Sahaja Yoga is not like that at all. Extremes, you know, extremes. So from one extreme and to another extreme they go just automatically. I mean it is absolutely inevitable. You have to stop in the centre. And those who are stopping must grow so they engulf all that. This is what I am trying to tell you. Alright? And when you start seeing them, then you will know how horrible they are. Maria: It’s very painful. Shri Mataji: It’s very painful to see how horrible they are, it’s true. We have to of course cure them, but first we should be alright, all of us, and we should pull all these things together. Rustom: I don’t know Mother, I’ve noticed about the way that negativity works is that it attacks people and then it makes you feel sorry for them and then it sucks all your energy so that you have no chance to do any work for Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji: You see, also negativity is there. Like Rustom had this problem before - he was over-sympathetic. If you have sympathies…if you see the meaning [of] ’sympathy’ - it means ‘sharing pathos’. You share their pathos isn’t it! (laughing) So this is also there. And now why I said this is that you have, in these Western countries, you have seen the aggression of your [forefathers], so you are taking to the other course. You are over-sympathetic. And that thing is going to tell against you, absolutely. There is nothing to sympathise. There is to be so strong, that you just solve the problems like that. Sitting down here you should be able to solve the problem. So develop your powers. Alright Simon? That’s what it is. You must develop your powers. And how will you develop them is by becoming silent and silent within and seeing for yourself. You have to just assume! You have powers already. You have been enriched by all the Adi Shakti. Everything has been done for you. You’ve got it. You are already empowered. Just use that. Can you doubt that you are not empowered? You already have got powers and also most of you know what is to be done. You know what is this power to be used for. You have the knowledge as well. But only thing is to assume it! You have to assume. Maria: We need the wisdom as well. Shri Mataji: You have! You don’t need Maria. You have a lot of it. Only thing is don’t sympathise with them. Just don’t worry about them. They are foolish people. Maria: This is what I have been doing all the time. Shri Mataji: That’s not proper. You don’t waste your energy on that, that’s why you have thinned down so much. There’s a saying in Urdu, “Kazidli bidli ka shayed kya deshakte” (?) they say, “Priest, why are you so sick? Because you are worried about the whole world”! [break] Pay attention. But your attention should be detached in that case. If it is not a detached attention you cannot do that. Maria: It is only through Sahaja Yoga that I start feeling a lot of extra powers. A detachment from these things. But I still have a long way to go. Shri Mataji: No, no, not difficult. It’s only one second you need. You just say, “Go away all of you!” Child: Go away! Shri Mataji: So, we had an example of that in Delhi. We had those Ramkrishna mission people. There was a lady who had cancer from the same ashram and she said, “Why? I was doing upkar (charity), I was helping others. I was looking after them.” I said, “Then why did you get cancer?” She said, “Now in my upkar I've got it.” So I said, “You enjoy it now!” You have paid for it by doing upkar! You just do it without doing it. You even do not know you are doing it. It's so simple as that. Alright? Maria: It becomes part of your inner religion. Shri Mataji: Yes, otherwise, you think you are doing something, that means pride comes into you, and the whole thing is spoiled. Arnaud: But Mother, the more we surrender and the more we have faith, the more it will be alright. Shri Mataji: Yes, it will be alright. If you are alright, if you are strong people, then the Viraata becomes alright, the Primordial becomes alright - if you become a strong body. If some part of the body is sick you can cure it. How many cells you need to fight them? Not much. But we are the fighting cells. We have to fight them. By not becoming identified with them. You have to fight with them in such a way that you do not weep for them. [That] means you are affected by them. No! You are detached. You just say, “You will be alright,” and they will be alright. So much powers you have! Do you know that? But once you start weeping for them, the power is neutralised. It should be done without any guide, anything, you just say, “Alright, you will be alright.” Which is all well and good. Otherwise there is no question of prestige for us! If somebody is cured, well and good. We have not taken everybody's bond that we should do it. We’ll do if we want to. If we don’t want to we’ll not do it. It’s in complete freedom that we do it. At least I do! It’s in absolute freedom. If I want to do, I will do; otherwise I will not do. In the same way you should be. So then the detachment comes. Complete freedom is also complete detachment, and that is complete love. Maria: Sometimes Mother when I go to some place people say that they used to know me before feeling very much for them and showing it, and that, if through Sahaja Yoga you become unfeeling…That’s how they interpret it. Shri Mataji: Unfeeling? No you should say, “Now I understand that what was lacking. And I have too much feeling for you. You become Sahaja Yogis.” They always depended on you and you had to give them. Now you should say, “You also become givers! Through Sahaja Yoga you can become equal to me. I want you to become that.” Sitting down and weeping for somebody is no good. And some people are like this also. Maria: They like the sympathy? Shri Mataji: They like the show of the thing. Say you go to a place and they say, “Oh, have you seen? Is he with her?” All that should go away. Maria, for a person like me, I will just, I may not even bother. Why should I? I’m not attached. But then people like it if somebody comes and too much asks. That’s not feeling! Feeling is when it is in pure detachment. You are not feelingless, you are not emotionless, but you are emotion. You become the emotion. Emotion is identified with you completely. Do you understand? Maria: Yes. Shri Mataji: You are the emotion. The complete ocean: ocean of emotion. You generate emotion! When you are with people they get into emotions. You can inspire emotions into them. But nobody’s emotion should affect you, then only it is possible. Even the ocean cannot become like a pond. Maria: Do you remember Mother, in the letter, I wrote a sentence that I have a little bit of a problem of work. This was the problem. Although I put the peoples names in a bandhan and I would pray for them at home, at work I would be detached from their emotions and their problems and because of that they would be upset why they could not attract my attention. You see, my attention was attracted but not to the point to become part of it and that would upset them and that's why I had the problem because they sent very negative vibrations back which eventually I could not tolerate and feel.. Shri Mataji: No, you should be tactful about it. You should be tactful. You should be tactful about them. That is not the thing. Only thing is, even if you bleed, it doesn’t matter as long as it doesn't hurt you inside. If it's all outside, it’s alright. Attention, when you give to somebody, you should be fully attentive to yourself. Maria: But the attention Mother, that they needed was a selfish one which I did not entertain. Shri Mataji: Don’t entertain them. What I am saying is that, as you are Realised you will be surprised that you are in a different wavelength absolutely, on a different position. And it is going to be a little difficult to adjust with others because they want you [to be] the same person [you were]. You cannot be the same. You are a different one. It was only that you could give them something for the time being, that’s all. But now, they will know that you have curative powers; you can cure them, you can do things. Your value [to them] will go up much more! So you need not try to worry about these things. Gradually they will accept you. Maria: Things have sorted themselves out. Shri Mataji: Yes, they will sort it out! There are thousands of people behind you! You don’t know there are chiranjeevas (eternal beings) there are great personalities behind you. So you just let go. And we are not to be guided by their norms, not by them. We have to put our own norms because we are different people. But first have confidence in ourselves! [That’s the] first thing. Are you better Atul? Now, Simon how are you? Are you feeling guilty about something? Simon: (muttering) No. Shri Mataji: Now you don’t swing from one end to another, just try to keep in the centre. You have read a lot and you know a lot, that’s called as dhyana. You have got dhyana. But you haven’t got bodha. Means your dhyana is not enlightened as yet. Aright? Because one is ‘to know’, and the another is ‘to know that the knowledge is enlightened’. This is the difference between the two. Alright? The other day Gavin asked me, “What is samadhi?” So I told him [that] it is enlightened awareness. Enlightened awareness. You are aware, but you are not enlightened. Samadhi is that. So in Sahaja Yoga, first you get nirvichara samadhi - that is thoughtless enlightened awareness. And secondly you get nirvikalpa samadhi - that is doubtless enlightened awareness. So to go to doubtless condition you must know [how] to avoid doubts. You have to change your style of approach. Other things you might have achieved through doubting, but Sahaja Yoga you achieve through dissolving. Gavin: You even have to pretend that you don’t doubt to start with. Shri Mataji: You have to go on pretending with yourself. Tell your mind, “I am not going to doubt.” Go on for a while. Then it works out. There’s nothing like the faith. Faith, I am saying, not the blind faith but faith. You have got the vibrations now. Now believe into them! That’s the only way! There’s no other way out I can tell you this much. Those who have taken to doubting will never approach it. You’ll be thrown away all the time with doubts. And a time may come when my attention may recede and you’ll drop out just like that. You just cannot do Sahaja Yoga like that. But blind faith is not needed. First you feel the vibrations. You see for yourself. Either we absolutely have blind faith or we have rationality. Can’t we be something in between? The people who are absolutely blind are useless. They might be saved because if they can ask questions to me that, “Are you this? Are you that?” Then they can be saved. If they come to that point! But those who are rational, they can never come into it! Because it’s like jumping like a monkey, from one branch to another branch. You can never land down. It’s only through faith, shraddha, through surrendering [that] you are going to achieve that state. And then [no] small ripples here and there, nothing, is going to disturb you. You are going to enjoy that state within yourself. Allow your faith to dissolve you. You know the time is very short. You’ve got your Realisation and you take so much time after that to come up to that, and that time is very much lost. Why do it? Now you have seen people who have shraddha how far they have gone, so why not follow them? So that is very important that, by doubting you are not going to achieve anything! You’ll be tossing. But you are to really put… Shri Mataji: Big girls have gone out (laughter) The big girls have gone out to play, you also go out and play with them, alright? Child: Ok. (laughter) Shri Mataji: Alright. See, how confident! Because they are innocent. They have faith in themselves. So stop your rationality. It is not going to take you anywhere! You have to learn to develop your shraddha. Even [if] you get Realisation, you cure people, you do anything. We have an example of somebody you know of. His mother was cured just like that. He was cured just like that. He got a job just like that. He got whatever he wanted, and then suddenly he drops out! Without any shraddha. So that is what it is. So many have done like that because if you do not have shraddha, you get tired of jumping from one to another. All the time you are doubting in this. It’s just a mental feat. We like to do circus for a while, it’s alright, but forget it! Now jump into it and get it! Now what do you lose? You lose nothing! Yogi: We lose ego. Shri Mataji: Ego. You lose your ego but you get your personality. What do you lose? Nothing. You get all the powers. Now the time is too short and you are taking too long to do it. And some of you will be tired, jumping like that all the time with your doubts, this way, that way. And what are you doubting? It’s all free. You don’t have to do anything about it. And doubting people can be quite foolish. They doubt about every nonsensical thing which has no meaning at all. They see things which do not exist because it’s just a habit, or you can say an indulgence; you can say an entertainment for people, to doubt into this. And then doubt. You see they are just jumping like monkeys. Stop that! Any one of you who goes [deep] down into shraddha and dissolves becomes a great instrument in the hands of God! Even to say that, “I doubt,” is wrong. These people think we are very honest by saying, “I doubt. I doubt Mother.” Please give up such ‘honesties’! It’s absurd! This is ego which is making you say these things that, “I doubt.” Because by saying that, it exists and you feel you are very honest. It’s not you are doubting, your ego is doubting. When you realise that, that your ego is doubting, it will become easier. “It’s not I who is doubting, it’s my ego which is doubting. Or maybe some possession in me which is doubting.” “Am I playing into the hands of some possession or my own ego?” That’s what it is - hundred percent! Because those who have not doubted have gone too far. You have seen people in India. You have seen Dhumal - he never doubted! His own brother, he was helped so much: he had no money to eat his food, he had gone to that condition because he had put a lot of money in a business which was failing. When he came to Sahaja Yoga his business started earning just like that. He became a moneyed man. His child was sick, he was cured. He was sick, he was cured. His wife was sick with something incurable, she was cured. But still he was doubting. He started taking drinks after that. He never used to take drinks [but] after doubting he started taking drinks. He did all that was prohibited in Sahaja Yoga just to prove his point. And where is he now? I would say, pay attention to your Self and not to your doubts! The doubts are coming from some dark corners of your mind which is with you. What are you going to lose is the point you must look into. Sort it out there. What have others lost? They have gained. Those who have doubted have lost, lost time. So don’t waste your time in useless things. There’s nothing to doubt. Every word I say is the truth and the truth. See the vibrations. You see! I have to boast [to make the vibrations flow]. You see! Every word. So don’t doubt it! Just take it and take it and take it. I know all this myself. I am not going to achieve anything by telling you these things, except that you will know me and I will know you. You are not to lose anything. You have to gain. So tell your mind to shut up for a while! It is already running with a very fast speed. Good! We want to get to that state of complete doubtless awareness and, for that, are we going to carry these doubts in our pockets? They have no meaning. They will all be neutralised. You have seen people who have neutralised it. But those who do it (doubting)…I have no word. Steady your shraddha. Steady it! It’s a force. It’s like a flame of a candle. Steady it! But by your doubts you are putting heavy pressure on it and it has to face those doubts. You are weakening yourself! Steady it. All of you steady it. Simon you have to get well. You are a seeker for ages now. In many lives you have been seeking. And now you are not going to play about anymore. Alright? You are going to be a certain ?? . Absolutely Simon: Mataji may I go now? Shri Mataji: Alright. You may go. Simon: See you. Shri Mataji: And you throw those away and bring seven more [lemons] to me in my house. Simon: Tomorrow night? Shri Mataji: Tomorrow night. Simon: What time would you like me to turn up? Shri Mataji: Oh, any time from about five onwards, that’s better. Alright? Five, six, anytime. Come to my house, bring them. And ask Philippa to come and see me also tomorrow evening, if possible, because I’ll talk to her about this, what is to be given. Simon: Seven chillies as well as seven lemons? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Alright? And as I love you, try to love yourself. And now don’t get after yourself. I tried to tell you because there’s time today I can tell you about these things, for certain chakras how to clear them, even physically you can try. One of them is of Vishuddhi chakra. Now for Vishuddhi chakra I have told you many things but you can try one more thing which will help you. Is to put your head on the ground like this, near a bed, with your feet on the bed, resting on the bed. And try to come on the bed more and more, the body. Push it on the bed so the whole pressure comes up here. Alright. And then keep my photograph handy. In that stage you see my photograph. It will improve your Vishuddhis. In that case, in case you have Left Vishuddhi, then you turn your face towards the right and see it. If you have the Right Vishuddhi then turn your face to the left and see my photograph. That will help you because all of you have Vishuddhi problem. This will be of help. Yogi: You mean the neck on the floor? Shri Mataji: On the floor if you lie down. Now just lie down now, facing that side towards the…yes, now go ahead, like that. Gavin be careful. Now, go down. You go down, and more, more. Again try to bring this lower portion on top. Rustom: Bring the body straight. Shri Mataji: Yes. So that there isn’t much of a Hatha Yoga. Can you see? Yes. Yogi: Do you rest the weight on your shoulders or the head? Pressure on the neck? Shri Mataji: More on the Vishuddhi. Better now? Yogi: Where do you have the photo if you’re not going to look at it? Shri Mataji: No, no. You have the photo whichever side you look. Yogi: Yeah, I know. But if you’re not going to look to the left or the right? Shri Mataji: You turn your photograph with you. You must look at the photograph isn’t it? Because it helps your Agnya, always. If your Agnya is cleared out with that. Otherwise the Agnya is blocked. You see? Better? Gavin Brown: Hmmm. It’s very good. Shri Mataji: It’s very good this way. All of you should try this thing. I have told you about, for Swadishthana, what should be done. That you remember? Yogi: Should I show them? Shri Mataji: Yes show them what is to be done for Swadishthana - physically. Yogi: And you say the mantra? Shri Mataji: Yes you can say the mantra, would be a good idea. Now for people who have a problem of Mooladhara, or those who cannot sit on the ground and sort of a things: for them it’s [helpful] to practice with both your legs like this. Put them like that, you too have the same problem. Put these two [feet] together like this. You see, you cannot stretch it much. Try to stretch it down (the knees) on to the ground! Try to, try to, as much as you can! Not, in one shot you cannot do it! Yogi: You have to [try] to put your knees down? Shri Mataji: Yes. Put your knees down. They must touch the ground. I can do [this] quite a lot, despite my fat! Try to raise it and push that down. Gradually you have to do it. You’ll do it, in a month, you will work it out. That’s very good. You lift this so only your Mooladhara is touching. First you do this exercise then that one will work out. Just try. See! It’s working out. It’s much better now. Gradually it is. It is working out. You see, it is much better now. You see gradually it will work out, gradually, if you do it. It’s good for Mooladhara. For all the people who have mooladhara problem, this would be a good idea. So gradually we should see to different chakras, everything. Now for Hamsa also, Hamsa, I’ll tell you what is to be done. You lie on your body like that, on your stomach. Yogi: For which chakra? Shri Mataji: For the Hamsa. Now come along! Put your these things, Mooladharas, here on the Hamsa, and now ask the Mother Earth to suck in your problem. But the pressure should be quite a lot on that. Now you move it. Better? You feel better? You can feel the sensation at the bottom. Allow them to disappear. Here, even your pressure will go away from your…You’ll feel relieved from the pressure. Better? Now meditate. Even with your Vishuddhi here, would be a good idea, to the Mother Earth. Aum sakshat Omkara swarupini. It is Omkara and it becomes Christ here. So take Omkara here. No Deity, because it’s a nirguna. This is just relaxing. And for relaxing your sides you can lie down you can put your head on Mother Earth. Any of the cheeks on Mother Earth, you see. But this is not the end of everything! You have to use the mantras, and with dedication and devotion. Better? Much lighter now. It’s good. How are you? You have been at sea? Yogi: No, not at sea but I have been going into the sea. Shri Mataji: Good. (laughing) That must have solved all your problems! It’s a good idea. That’s what I say: get into the sea. Good. Very good. Yogi: Because these places where we go, you see, it’s surrounded by people who come for non-dharmic things. So you are in the midst of them and you jump into the sea! Shri Mataji: But now they are having a bad time. Everywhere you see now, all these resorts are having a bad time. Earthquakes are coming to resorts and things. Earthquakes and also lots of hurricanes and all these things are happening, because if you do adharmic things then the sea itself gets angry. Yogi: Do you remember last year in Spain with the fires, nine hundred people died? Shri Mataji: Yes very much. That also happened. All kinds you know. This Greek ship this tanker, landed. In France there is one resort which was all finished by this thing. And in Spain it was finished when they brought a gas, this thing. So, everywhere. Now there’s a hurricane and the other day I read about an earthquake coming. Yogi: Well in the Caribbean right now there’s a volcano erupting Shri Mataji: Yes, Volcano is bursting. All the Caribbean sea that was misused for adharmic things. Arnaud: Mother, I read an article in the Herald Tribune I read an article that said that, not only wars but nature is coming to be angry and we must be very careful. And I gave Gregoire this article. Shri Mataji: But this is all wrong you are doing. Imagine behaving like this before the sea! Yogi: But in some parts of the Caribbean they are very dharmic people. I saw a programme where an old lady was reading a Bible. She was in charge of the cash register and she would serve the customers and then read the Bible. Shri Mataji: Something is coming up there also. Yogi: But it’s mixed with a bit of spiritualism. Shri Mataji: Nothing clear cut, you know. Nothing in absolute way. So, these small, small patchworks, what are they going to help? You need a volcano! Really! What to do? That’s why I say, “What’s the use in having sympathy with these horrible people?” The whole of Caribbean sea they have ruined. Whole of it. Yogi: And California. Shri Mataji: California is another! That’s going to blast out very nicely! Yogi: Last year they did have a fire didn’t they, which damaged quite a lot of the properties and areas. Do you remember? Shri Mataji: Oh they had recently something there? Yogi: Yeah. Shri Mataji: A hurricane came in I think. Yogi: California? Shri Mataji: Yes. Very recently. Yogi: Not California, Florida. Shri Mataji: No, no. California itself. There was. Yogi: A fire. Shri Mataji: A fire broke out yes, fire broke out. Yogi: I drove through that place where the star’s homes are. They couldn’t stop the fire. Yogi: Hollywood is one of the worst places in the world. Shri Mataji: They generate sin. Yogini: And they export it all over the world. Shri Mataji: Yes, they generate all that is blasphemous. They teach people how to sin. They give people licentiousness. Give them all the power that is needed to fight the Absolute, the truth. They brainwash you.

"Give up Misidentifications". Dollis Hill ashram, London (UK). 22 April 1979. …and because of the cleansing of the feet of Christ they said, “Why should we waste such a lot of oil? You can sell it and give it to the poor.” And Christ said - now see what He said - that Christ Himself has said these words and if they are depicted the same way. You just see the meaning and what you should take out. He says that, “These poor are forever, but I am for a short time.” You see? How clearly He has said that there’s no philanthropic work involved. But people take the other meaning! I don't know from where you get the other meaning? That you must look after the poor. That's not your job at all! Alright, Atul? That's not your job to look after the poor. What we have to work out [is] in the middle. By which we can pull the right and left to both the banks. You have to be in the middle course! When we are in the middle course, we first of all settle down ourselves nicely, and then the left and right can be engulfed. The poor and the rich. The over-rich are horrid people! They smoke, they drink, they are wretched people. Gambling, this, that, all sorts of things they do. They waste their lives. They don't know how to face themselves. They are in the worst possible condition. And the poor are another style, labour class and all that. So you have to bring them to the centre. But how? You yourself have the depth within yourself. You can pull all of them together into this. First solution has to come in the central path. Alright? So this is it, that, when you start doing your philanthropic work you cannot do it with Sahaja Yoga, you cannot. Of course, I mean poor is alright, in the Indian villages I can work it out, but very poor will not take to Sahaja Yoga. They'll take to drinking, smoking, or if some time is left, then burgling or cheating. They will take to these things because, for them, eating is the main thing. Just like animals they are. And for the very rich, they are another type of animals - they are vultures. They cannot live without being parasites on the society. If you tell them anything they will not understand you. So, the upper classes is useless [and] the lower class is useless for us. Ours is the middle class, which has to settle down with the values of Sahaja Yoga. And then once they see you, the river flowing, they can be enriched and they will come to us. You are like a river and we have to enrich both the banks, this side or that side. That is important. One side you have to cleanse, on the upper class and the lower class you have to enrich them. But if you do not have that within yourselves how are you going to do it? Sahaja Yoga is going to work for the middle class. This is the point. Not for the poor and the greedy. And that's a very wrong thing to do [that] attention is put to the poor. That's not our job. We have not created poor have we? We have not. Who has created them? The upper class. We [can] club them together, the upper and lower class. So they’ll say, “We’ll have Labour government.” Both are just the same! That’s it you see. They think by denying God, we are challenging God. [They think] if they deny God then God will fall at their feet, that’s why they deny. Otherwise what is the need? What matters? Is he standing for any election? Is He contesting any election that you are saying, “We do not believe in God!”? What does it matter? So that is how we understand that these are fools. Maria: Is there any way, Mother that.. Shri Mataji: That's what I said that, the way is that the middle class should be developed. Maria: …for these people who are on the extremes like that to say, “I do not believe and I am angry.” Shri Mataji: Then let it be. You don't make them believe. Maria: Yes, but is there any way of helping them to come to an understanding in the beginning? Shri Mataji: If you think that you can make these people believe, you cannot. It’s wrong. They will not. They will not, because the more you will try to do it, the more they’ll [continue], because their ego is hurt. They are the people whose ego is hurt because they find some people rich. The person on this bank and this bank: he sees this, he sees this. We are somewhere down below here, alright? And they are seeing each other. So their ego is hurt very much. And here there are people who are egoistical. So both do not believe in God. What does it matter if they believe it or not? There is God. They just want to say it out. “Here it is, a big words!” I have seen everybody [saying], “I believe..” Now, who are you? Everyone says, “I believe into…” I mean, believing, from where it has come? From where did you get this belief? What is your experience? So that's how they do it. So they have to say, if a politician comes up and gives a lecture. “I believe that this is this.” So everybody hears that, so they go on home [and] they say, “I believe in this!” It’s like ringing one bell, putting into another bell and the resonance starts and everyone says, “I believe.” (laughter) I find, in this country, even an ordinary beggar talks like that! There’s no humility of any kind. That's why they talk like that - they lack of humility. They are so aggressive. You just see how aggressive they are. They have aggressed all the cultures of the world. Now today's article, I brought it for you to see specially. Now, in Tehran, whatever they have done, Tehranis have done, they have put a chaddar on a lady and say, “You wear a chaddar.” So an English lady writes about it. She says, “They have made our body…” You see, now, your attitude towards life - you can say a British attitude or you can say the Western attitude - is that your body is very beautiful so you must show it. Why? Why cheat yourself? It is not because your body is beautiful that you are showing off but [because] you want to catch it. It's simple. It is as simple as that. Face it! But you want all the world, all over the world [that] the women should be like you. It's such a subtle aggression. You don't know. They have killed all the cultures of the world with this kind of an understanding that, “We are the best! Most educated and sophisticated people.” But others also must exist. They have their own cultures, understand them and think. If you do not say, “Please, give me this,” then he’s [regarded as] uncultured. It is such a subtle aggression on everybody’s culture. That's how you have removed all the Indians from South America and North America. Everywhere, wherever these people have gone they have finished the cultures. It's a very, very special type of aggression these people have, and aggression has a reaction always. Either the other culture's people, those people who have other cultures, would strive to be this culture, because this is supposed to be the greatest of all. To say like that, that, “We should not be afraid of showing, we should not be ashamed of our body.” What is something like privacy within us? Is there nothing like privacy? We should respect our bodies! Now if this is the attitude taken, that everybody, “Oh, this woman is inhibited because she does not show off her body.” The showing off of the body is nothing but is a subtle prostitution! You see it’s on, and on, and on. It's very subtle. Now another suggestion comes in from there that, for twenty-five years they cannot believe that people can remain celibate because in this country people cannot. But there are so many countries where they really remain celibate till they are married; so many of them. But according to them it is not possible, so those who remain must be wrong, they are telling lies. And they force this on others that, “You become like us only! Because our noses are cut so you also cut your noses.” On all types of people. If you go anywhere, all the Western people, what they have ruined is the culture, is the variety of culture. And such subtle cultures they have reduced to nothing! And by their aggression they have told people that, “We are the highest of highest. English language you must know! You must know French! You must know this!” So, what I am saying is: when we understand, we have to change. We must know we have to be really humble. Not in language, not in behaviour but inside. To know that we do not aggress others. Alright? So this Labour [party] and this one problem is only of aggression. One community here. Now, say you take an elite person, so-called elite. That's why I liked ‘Evita’ - they have made a big satire on all the elites. The dancing how they do. They have made a big satire on all the upper classes and all the lower classes and all that type. It’s a very good one, I must say. It’s a very good satire - ‘Evita’ . It’s a very good satire ever since long. So, now, if you have that aggression within you existing, then better take it out. The culture of the Spirit has to come in you. That is to be there. If that culture doesn't come, then these all cultures are very aggressive, and they can never give any happiness to anyone. Labour [Party] people think that they are hurt by the elites, or by the rich or the upper class. But what are they aspiring to be? They are aspiring to be the rich people themselves! They are hurt by the rich and they want to be the rich. It would be like, if you are hurt by somebody’s shoes, you become the shoe yourself. If you are hurt by the rich people then why do you want to be rich? It's a simple question. For a person like me who has no materialism I cannot understand it. Simon: Can I say something about our political system? Shri Mataji: Yes. Simon: It was set up on the three gunas, you have radicals who are Rajas, Conservatives who are Tamas and you have in the middle the Liberals who are Sattva, intelligence. Shri Mataji: But I tell you Liberals also need Realisation! They are to be reborn. Otherwise you will had one horrible Jeremy Thorpe (a homosexual MP accused of murder)! Why did you give him anywhere the seat (in parliament). You gave him a seat, why should you give a seat? You should have courage to say, “Better not be there.” He has got a seat! Yogi: He’s going back to his seat. He's standing for his seat again. Shri Mataji: Yes, What I am saying is: unless and until they take to realisation it will not work. Yogi: I told David Steel about Mataji, I told David Steel about Mataji. Shri Mataji: What I am saying [is]: just by proposing that you are in the centre you do not become. “Sahaja, Sahaja,” Kabira has said it: “Sahaja Sahaja, saba karata,” (meaning) “They all say Sahaja, Sahaja, but they are not!” You should be ashamed of such a horrible leader you had for so many days! Simon: Jeremy Thorpe? Well he’s better than some that we’ve had. Shri Mataji: No, no, horrible he is! You just see his vibrations. Horrible person he is! No, no, no. All of them are just the same! To me all of them are just the same - there is nothing to choose. But if you have a choice… Simon: You see, England: we aren’t an aggressive nation and I don't like you saying that we are an aggressive nation! Shri Mataji: No, no, no. You are not aggressive when it comes to something else. But when it comes to cultures, you do like this. Simon: Well we are uneducated, I admit. When we came to India we didn't know what we were doing, so we cut off from it and we wouldn't have anything to do with it. Shri Mataji: What English brought from India? Pyjamas (laughter) Jodhpurs, verandahs. And what else did you buy? So, you are aggressive that way. You see? So, all these things have to be changed. Like Indians must change and they should not accept whatever you give them. Simon: Our aim of being in India was not an aggressive one. And we weren't aggressive! Shri Mataji: In India? New person: I don’t like hearing these things! Shri Mataji: You may not like it but we have had it!! You don't know how they treated us. You have no idea Simon. Simon: When I go to India and why do they say, “Victoria Rani”? I want to know why in India they say “Oh, we want [Victoria] Rani back.” Shri Mataji: Arey! If you pay money to someone! Another person: Well I’ve met Indians who like Germans for kicking us out because they say without the second world war… Shri Mataji: No, no, I tell you very simple. Just Simon, Simon. Listen, listen! I’ll tell you. You will understand. Very simple. It is very simple. It is a poor country. You give them money, they can sell you anything. They gave kitaabs and they gave these…we never had these. Like they called somebody [with a title]. What do you call that? All these M.A.D PhD’s and all that, that you have here? ‘Titles’! They gave titles and they gave this and that. English know how to do it. And they collected some people to say something about it. But the way they had to fight it out, you don’t know. You don't know. You were not there. Simon: Have you seen Satyajit Ray’s film ‘The Chess Players’ (शतरंज के खिलाड़ी)? Satyajit Ray is the best filmmaker in India. Shri Mataji: That’s what you people think because he tells all about our poverty! He doesn't know anything about our Indian culture, not a word. He doesn't know anything about spirituality - Satyajit Ray. He is alright, people like him because he sings the saga of communism. That's why people like him. That’s not India! He never represents India. It’s alright, he is very good at getting very old people who have somewhere showing all their ribs and stomachs and this and that. That's how he does and people like it, because there is a kind of a sadism: we like to see poverty, we like to see some people being tortured because we feel we are tortured. It's very subtle Simon, I tell you. You are a different person, you cannot understand it. But now you are different. I am not talking about the people who came to India, but I am saying today also as the Western mind is. With your rationality, with the so-called scholarships that you have, the so-called we can say industrial… Simon: Indians these days go overboard for Bertrand Russell… Shri Mataji: That's what I am saying! This is what I am saying! The same thing as you are saying, I am saying the same thing. You are giving them and they are taking it, whether it is poison or anything! This is what I am saying. They are another type of fools! You are one type, they are another type. You aggress and they take it. If anything comes from India they will accept. If anything goes from England they will accept it! It's a funny thing going on. Yogi: But we get all these fake gurus all coming out from India. Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s what I am saying! You take from them, they are another sect. They are sending some gurus to you, you accept them! And this is the mutual understanding going on. There’s a big fraternity of thugs! Yogi: After all, you built a fantastic Wembley building for them! Shri Mataji: (Laughing) See now! You see the joke! Whole thing! Once you say that, “We are British or not,” - finished there. You just say, “We are human beings,” and then you can see the whole joke. If I say, “I am an Indian,” I’m gone, finished! Yogi: It’s not a political thing. Shri Mataji: See, it's not politically. It’s much higher. You don’t identify yourself with any group and then you can see the joke. If you are identified then you cannot. New person: You don’t have to take it literally. You have to take the essence of what Shri Mataji is saying. You listen, you take the essence not the literal thing of what Mataji is saying. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. If you listen to me, the whole thing you will understand it, very clearly, what I am trying to say. Don't get angry. When I am saying “aggression is there”, you see, what I do not understand that people do not study others and just [try to] bring about your own ideas onto another - that's great aggression. Now, in my own house, my two daughters are there: I have not told them what is Kundalini! Can you beat it? Can you beat it? Even not told them what is Kundalini, leave alone giving Realisation. Same with my husband. If they do not want it, I am not going to aggress. This is non-aggression. But that doesn't mean I accept aggression from them. So, when you accept aggression is the same as if you give aggression, if you do aggression. For me, both things are just the same. So, when we have to change ourselves, we should say, “What do we do?” “Where are we?” “Are we aggressing others or are we taking aggression?” Now, say Atul feels guilty, then he’s taking in aggression. If you feel like [an] egoistical way that, “This is wrong! That is wrong!” then you are aggressing others. All these things must be seen in it’s full context and in the full view of the whole thing, so you will understand. But what happens [is] we identify ourselves with one part of life. We say, “This is the thing.” And either we aggress others in that case or we take aggression. This is sickness. This is the sign of sickness. Anytime this happens, sickness starts. And this is the cause of sickness of all the human beings all over the world. But once you identify yourself with the whole then you start seeing the whole as a diseased thing. And then you feel [like] treating that disease as a doctor. Then you do not identify yourself with any sickness. Alright? That is what means ‘Sahaja’ life is. So, now if you have somebody sick - alright - so now you understand that by helping that particular sick [person]…Of course, if it is your desire it will be done, because you are one with the whole. But the approach towards that sickness is difficult. Do you understand my point? It’s one way to help because he's sick, he’s poor - is different. What I am saying: the approach should be that we become absolutely confident of Sahaja Yoga. We establish our own powers - absolutely. And then we make them also the same. Because they will fall sick, they'll have all problems, unless and until they are alright. So that is the primary thing that must be done. Because on one side they are the people whose ego is hurt, the other side are the people who have been suffering from their egos. So, if you have to help both of them, you have to bring them in the centre. Alright? Do you understand my point now? Now, to bring them in the centre is not to appease them. Not that way. But by developing the centre. Let the centre grow far, on both the sides, so it engulfs all that. Do you understand Maria? Maria: Yes Mother. Shri Mataji: They will never believe in God because that is the way they can assert their ego. Indians are another set of fools, absolutely set of fools, because [of] the way they are following you people! I mean you are already in the ditch, where are they going? Firstly, they do not have any values about honesty about them - that’s finished. Now even if they are getting the other values also from you then these sickly people, where will they be? As it is they are thieves. When a thief becomes an immoral person, now what will happen? It's like somebody has been bitten by a scorpion and on top of that he takes wine, then what happens to such a person? So the aggression is within, which is to be corrected. For all Realised-souls, it is important to see if we are taking any aggression within us is equally wrong as giving aggression to others. We have to develop a set of people who have the idea of Reality, those who understand what is Reality. Those who are going to set in another type of way, which will cut down this vicious circle. We have to have that kind of mind, by which we see the disease of the whole and try to correct it. That's how we can manage. But if you start identifying, even today I would say, with any one of them, you are mistaken. Now do you understand my point? You just don't identify with any one of them! You have to identify yourself with Reality, with your Self - to begin with. When you become that… Yogi: Nirguna! Shri Mataji: Not necessarily nirguna. You start with saguna only. Because I am in saguna, what to do? If you do not come in saguna - saguna is ‘with forms’ - if you do not come in the form, nobody understands, who will talk to you? A Nirguna cannot talk to you. So the saguna had to come. Now you establish within yourself the complete understanding of the saguna. Now, don't doubt too much. If you are a doubting Thomas you will end up with zero! I can tell you this much. We have had people for years together. There is one gentleman coming for seven years and you know him, and nothing could be done. And he’s supposed to be a wrangler in mathematics! So, you must see the people who have understood the saguna and how far they have gone; and, if you are to progress, you try to understand it now, first of all. Secondly, you must also understand that you are going to be the people who are going to lead the whole world into a new awareness, into a new life, into a new dimension! So don’t identify with people who are still blind, who do not see. They’ll make you more blind. Identify yourself with people who have seen something. The ones who have had experiences, you identify [with]. Put your attention to them, then only you can see. And that is only possible when you start giving up your misidentifications. Do you see? As long as you have misidentifications you will be mad! You would not know what to do about it. That’s sickness. You got involved into these identifications gradually, because the atmosphere is like that, the whole surrounding is like that. From all sides you have people who just engulfed [you]. They club you into it! You have to jolly well come in to it! Your freedom is cut off. You are not free to think about it. And that's how you are not free from misidentifications. To begin with you were alright, but gradually you started getting enveloped and identified with your mistakes. How are you responsible for what your forefathers have done in this country, or my forefathers have done in my country? Tell me. Who are they to you? They might have been born in China now with chinky eyes. (laughter) That’s it! Or could be in Rye (?), or could be running away with [Idi] Amin as his soldiers. Could be anywhere! And we are not responsible for them, whatever they have done. Alright? Keep it at that point. Now, if you feel responsible even for anyone who belongs to your tribe, still it’s wrong, because you are different people. When you become that then you must identify yourself with the new tribe, the one who has known the Reality. But human beings identify very easily with something so much illusory: like if you are born in England you are English, if you are born in India, you are Indian. You could have been born in Timbuktu or any place! These all misidentifications create this problem in you. Then with this identifications also, you go into complete circles. If you are an Indian, you start speaking like an Indian, behaving like an Indian: all the good and bad of it. Same with English, same with French, same with everything. Gradually you start, [the] misidentification starts working in you. But you are the Pure Thing inside. These all impurities cover you. So to free yourself from all these impurities, of any kind. I tell you this is like possession in you. To be free absolutely of all these things is the ultimate aim. So, all these ideas, when they come into your head, please remember that all these have come to us because we belong to a particular society, a particular caste, a particular religion. Now, for example, the other day, you know, there was a gentleman who said, “I feel very guilty all the time.” So I said, “Are you a Catholic?” He said, “No.” So I said, “You have no business to feel guilty!” (laughter) Because if you are a Catholic, you are made to feel guilty all the time! It’s a collective. From childhood, if somebody gets a brain wash all the time, a little child doesn't understand. You go and tell him, “You are a sinner.” He said, “No?” You go on telling him, he’ll say, “Am I a sinner?” Then he goes to the church. Then they tell, “You are a sinner.” Yogini: You must confess! French yogi: ‘Repent, repent’! Shri Mataji: Repent, repent. Now he says, “What should I repent?” So he thinks about it, he goes to the priest and he tells him that, “I repent for one thing.” He said, “What?” “Because I opened the tap.” He said, “What?” “I opened the tap and my mother’s scolded me for that. I repent for that.” So it starts from there, and the whole thing starts working out. Then poor thing repents for something else. But inside, when he’s repenting, he’s building up a pouch. And that's how these horrible people, so-called ‘Christians’ - or so-called ‘Hindus’ also we can say - all of them just the same. But I am saying about these, how they have gone against Christ. There’s one thing he taught is non-aggression! You make somebody feel guilty and you have it! Absolutely satanic! Is there any mention in The Bible, that Christ wanted somebody to confess to him? Where did He mention by any chance? Yogis: No, no. Shri Mataji: Then why these people have started this confession business? And who are they, compared to Christ, that they ask for confessions? Appointed by some theological college! Elected by some people where the smoke comes out of the chimney! (in the Vatican when the new pope is elected) All these silly things you digest without thinking about it and then you are misidentified also Maria. Alright? So, you must understand. Be happy and joyous that you have found that Eternal Life and be one with it. Maria: I will Mother Shri Mataji: Alright. And you tell them off that, “You are all silly fools. And you go ahead with your idiocity! And when you are absolutely drowned, then come to us!” Maria: I used to do that until they strangled me Mother. That’s when you found me Mother and you pulled me out of that. Shri Mataji: I know. Maria: That’s what I used to say to spiritualists. I used to tell them what I thought of them. Shri Mataji: But why? A spiritualist whom are they? Do you know who indulges? All these poor things. Same in India! We have all these horrible tantrikas, this, that. If you see, tantrikas are mostly prevalent in Bengal, in Bihar, in U.P., in Kerala, in Madras, Assam. And there you find the poverty! And maximum are in Bihar which is the poorest of all! I mean, see the absurdity of these people: that place that we went to, Kovalam, is in Kerala. The people are extremely poor and for the newspaper people this is the main issue they have - that poverty. They want to take advantage of it all the time - poverty. As if they are very poor, live like poor. And these people arranged my programme in a big hall, and it was a carpet or something, I don't know what it is; so they published that she was living in suites of rooms with wall-to-wall carpet and this nonsense! I was, poor thing, living with these people! But why? Because they wanted to imply that she lives in luxury or whatever it is. I live always in luxury whether I am poor or rich - makes no difference to me! So, this is what is the accent they had. But why there is poverty, why don't they think? Do you know, in that country, such a wretched condition is, that Shri Adi Shankaracharya was born in that country, and these people told me that, “We do not know who he was and also we do not know that he was born in this country.” They should be ashamed of themselves! And the second thing that they did [was] that they tortured him because when he came back, when his mother was sick, they would not even give him water, they said, “You are a sanyasi, you have no business to come to your mother. “ And when she died they would not burn her. So, he burnt her in the house itself and he used all the banana trees to burn her off. And then he cursed that country that, “The way I had to burn my mother, you will be doing the same.” So now, they cannot burn. So what they do [is] they dig the graves and put them just in front of their houses. So imagine every house is hovered by all the thousands of horrible people who are dead! We went to one village and asked the condition of the people. They all ran out! They [the yogis] said, “Oh God!” Ask Rustom - they said, “Mother, what sort of a village is this?” And then you talk of emancipating these horrible nonsensical people! Why should God do that? They want to run after the tantrikas, then the bhoots come in and how can you have your problem of poverty solved? Tell me any country where there are so many bhoots and there is riches. Always you’ll find the poor people indulging more into it than the rich! And once the rich start indulging into it you’ll also become. It is a very simple thing. I can understand if you people do not know but Indians know this, but still they do it - that, if there is one bhoot coming inside your house, all your Lakshmi will be destroyed. Everyone knows this but still they do it in India. Rustom: There’s no doubt Mother that the moment that you return to London the Left Agnya goes. And when you leave it you can feel it releasing. When I was in the plane going to Germany I could feel it release and when I was coming back it caught again. Shri Mataji: England is full of it. No use bringing up Labour and Conservatives and all that. If they want to listen to me, destroy all these tantrikas from here, one and all - you’ll be alright. You try any trick - you will have problems. But who will listen to me? They used to believe in witches and all that once upon a time. There used to be witch hunting and all that, but they have stopped it. Now witches are very nicely settled down in this country. Simon: Many Christians are witches Mother. Shri Mataji: Yes! So-called Christians! Simon: No. It doesn’t mean that they are bad. No! It doesn’t mean that they are bad. Shri Mataji: They are not bad but they are bad, in a way, because they bring all the bhoots from outside. Simon: No, they make the fields grow and we have to keep witches here otherwise we’d get no harvest. Shri Mataji: Some bhoot is speaking through you. (laughter) Some bhoot is speaking through you, you know. Simon: I’m sorry. Shri Mataji: Simon, you are correct, but there is a witch in you that is speaking, you are not saying that. How can you say witches should be here when I have just told you all about them, what they do? Do you want people to suffer from poverty? Suffer from all kinds of mental diseases and troubles? We don’t want them here. Simon: (continues muttering in a quiet voice like a madman) Shri Mataji: What you want you do not know. First of all you find out what you want, write it down, and let me know. First of all you should get rid of all these operations on you. In your room itself, there’s a problem: these witches are there, around. All of them are here. You must clear them. They all have to get out from this country. If, by my coming here, if I cannot do even that much, then what’s the use of my coming here? But if you are identified with them then what can I do about it? All the churches are doing that. As I have told you already that this confession business is very wrong. Whatever is the problem of a particular country is to be handled in that particular country, isn’t it? In India also we have the same problem. But that’s a very different type. I mean it is not an organised religion so I can wipe it out better but it is organised here! The Seventh Day Adventists, these another horrible Pentecostals, they are organised, they are accepted by law, they are doing all these things here through law! Arnaud: Mother, Don’t you think that, when they give you the sense of being guilty and all that, through the Christian and Catholic Church, [that] they want at the same time to increase their power? Shri Mataji: Of course! This is the play, this is the play. But only an intelligent man can see that’s true. You make somebody feel very guilty, that is how they brainwash you! It’s only brainwashing. As Hitler could brainwash Germans, these people have also brainwashed you. In India, also, they do the same thing - brainwash you. They have done all kinds of brainwashing but the only difference is this, that the Western religions are all organised. So when they are organised they become firm and they have much more power than a religion which is disorganised. You can hit them better! Now the priest here is so much respected! In India a priest is not respected so much. Ask him, he is a brahmin! (laughing) If a priest comes into our house we do not respect him. He takes money, we know he takes money. We do not respect him the way here the priest is respected. Because it is organised. They have made their norms and things by making some respect. Arnaud: What is terrible [is that] they gave the illusion; and during the middle age they give to the Western countries knowledge, religion of knowledge. Because through the knowledge they wanted to introduce the religion. And afterwards religion became to be knowledge. Shri Mataji: So the vicious circle starts. So you must decide it and you must give up your misidentifications, first of all. Because all your diseases come from your identifications. Alright? Say now you are Greek. Now Greeks also have certain misidentifications, quite a lot of them! Maria: Many! Shri Mataji: (laughing) So, once you start becoming a Sahaja Yogi or a universal personality, you just dissociate from all that, you do not stand for that. But if you are a real Greek, then you must tell all the other Greeks also that, “This is what it is!” If you really love them. Arnaud: I would be pleased to say that to my aunts you know. Shri Mataji: (laughing) About your aunts I am not so much worried! Because that’s an age now, they are gone. But what about the future that’s coming up? Now the people who belong to such organised religions, as they have, which has happened in India: in the same way it’s going to happen here also, that they are not going to believe in any religion whatsoever. The other side has started as you said! They don’t believe in any God. Maria: I don’t really know what they need to find out. Shri Mataji: Nothing! It’s just a swing from one extreme to another extreme, that’s all. There is no direction, there’s no guidance. It’s just a swing from believing into it too much - fanaticism - to another [which] is non-belief! Our Sahaja Yoga is not like that at all. Extremes, you know, extremes. So from one extreme and to another extreme they go just automatically. I mean it is absolutely inevitable. You have to stop in the centre. And those who are stopping must grow so they engulf all that. This is what I am trying to tell you. Alright? And when you start seeing them, then you will know how horrible they are. Maria: It’s very painful. Shri Mataji: It’s very painful to see how horrible they are, it’s true. We have to of course cure them, but first we should be alright, all of us, and we should pull all these things together. Rustom: I don’t know Mother, I’ve noticed about the way that negativity works is that it attacks people and then it makes you feel sorry for them and then it sucks all your energy so that you have no chance to do any work for Sahaja Yoga. Shri Mataji: You see, also negativity is there. Like Rustom had this problem before - he was over-sympathetic. If you have sympathies…if you see the meaning [of] ’sympathy’ - it means ‘sharing pathos’. You share their pathos isn’t it! (laughing) So this is also there. And now why I said this is that you have, in these Western countries, you have seen the aggression of your [forefathers], so you are taking to the other course. You are over-sympathetic. And that thing is going to tell against you, absolutely. There is nothing to sympathise. There is to be so strong, that you just solve the problems like that. Sitting down here you should be able to solve the problem. So develop your powers. Alright Simon? That’s what it is. You must develop your powers. And how will you develop them is by becoming silent and silent within and seeing for yourself. You have to just assume! You have powers already. You have been enriched by all the Adi Shakti. Everything has been done for you. You’ve got it. You are already empowered. Just use that. Can you doubt that you are not empowered? You already have got powers and also most of you know what is to be done. You know what is this power to be used for. You have the knowledge as well. But only thing is to assume it! You have to assume. Maria: We need the wisdom as well. Shri Mataji: You have! You don’t need Maria. You have a lot of it. Only thing is don’t sympathise with them. Just don’t worry about them. They are foolish people. Maria: This is what I have been doing all the time. Shri Mataji: That’s not proper. You don’t waste your energy on that, that’s why you have thinned down so much. There’s a saying in Urdu, “Kazidli bidli ka shayed kya deshakte” (?) they say, “Priest, why are you so sick? Because you are worried about the whole world”! [break] Pay attention. But your attention should be detached in that case. If it is not a detached attention you cannot do that. Maria: It is only through Sahaja Yoga that I start feeling a lot of extra powers. A detachment from these things. But I still have a long way to go. Shri Mataji: No, no, not difficult. It’s only one second you need. You just say, “Go away all of you!” Child: Go away! Shri Mataji: So, we had an example of that in Delhi. We had those Ramkrishna mission people. There was a lady who had cancer from the same ashram and she said, “Why? I was doing upkar (charity), I was helping others. I was looking after them.” I said, “Then why did you get cancer?” She said, “Now in my upkar I've got it.” So I said, “You enjoy it now!” You have paid for it by doing upkar! You just do it without doing it. You even do not know you are doing it. It's so simple as that. Alright? Maria: It becomes part of your inner religion. Shri Mataji: Yes, otherwise, you think you are doing something, that means pride comes into you, and the whole thing is spoiled. Arnaud: But Mother, the more we surrender and the more we have faith, the more it will be alright. Shri Mataji: Yes, it will be alright. If you are alright, if you are strong people, then the Viraata becomes alright, the Primordial becomes alright - if you become a strong body. If some part of the body is sick you can cure it. How many cells you need to fight them? Not much. But we are the fighting cells. We have to fight them. By not becoming identified with them. You have to fight with them in such a way that you do not weep for them. [That] means you are affected by them. No! You are detached. You just say, “You will be alright,” and they will be alright. So much powers you have! Do you know that? But once you start weeping for them, the power is neutralised. It should be done without any guide, anything, you just say, “Alright, you will be alright.” Which is all well and good. Otherwise there is no question of prestige for us! If somebody is cured, well and good. We have not taken everybody's bond that we should do it. We’ll do if we want to. If we don’t want to we’ll not do it. It’s in complete freedom that we do it. At least I do! It’s in absolute freedom. If I want to do, I will do; otherwise I will not do. In the same way you should be. So then the detachment comes. Complete freedom is also complete detachment, and that is complete love. Maria: Sometimes Mother when I go to some place people say that they used to know me before feeling very much for them and showing it, and that, if through Sahaja Yoga you become unfeeling…That’s how they interpret it. Shri Mataji: Unfeeling? No you should say, “Now I understand that what was lacking. And I have too much feeling for you. You become Sahaja Yogis.” They always depended on you and you had to give them. Now you should say, “You also become givers! Through Sahaja Yoga you can become equal to me. I want you to become that.” Sitting down and weeping for somebody is no good. And some people are like this also. Maria: They like the sympathy? Shri Mataji: They like the show of the thing. Say you go to a place and they say, “Oh, have you seen? Is he with her?” All that should go away. Maria, for a person like me, I will just, I may not even bother. Why should I? I’m not attached. But then people like it if somebody comes and too much asks. That’s not feeling! Feeling is when it is in pure detachment. You are not feelingless, you are not emotionless, but you are emotion. You become the emotion. Emotion is identified with you completely. Do you understand? Maria: Yes. Shri Mataji: You are the emotion. The complete ocean: ocean of emotion. You generate emotion! When you are with people they get into emotions. You can inspire emotions into them. But nobody’s emotion should affect you, then only it is possible. Even the ocean cannot become like a pond. Maria: Do you remember Mother, in the letter, I wrote a sentence that I have a little bit of a problem of work. This was the problem. Although I put the peoples names in a bandhan and I would pray for them at home, at work I would be detached from their emotions and their problems and because of that they would be upset why they could not attract my attention. You see, my attention was attracted but not to the point to become part of it and that would upset them and that's why I had the problem because they sent very negative vibrations back which eventually I could not tolerate and feel.. Shri Mataji: No, you should be tactful about it. You should be tactful. You should be tactful about them. That is not the thing. Only thing is, even if you bleed, it doesn’t matter as long as it doesn't hurt you inside. If it's all outside, it’s alright. Attention, when you give to somebody, you should be fully attentive to yourself. Maria: But the attention Mother, that they needed was a selfish one which I did not entertain. Shri Mataji: Don’t entertain them. What I am saying is that, as you are Realised you will be surprised that you are in a different wavelength absolutely, on a different position. And it is going to be a little difficult to adjust with others because they want you [to be] the same person [you were]. You cannot be the same. You are a different one. It was only that you could give them something for the time being, that’s all. But now, they will know that you have curative powers; you can cure them, you can do things. Your value [to them] will go up much more! So you need not try to worry about these things. Gradually they will accept you. Maria: Things have sorted themselves out. Shri Mataji: Yes, they will sort it out! There are thousands of people behind you! You don’t know there are chiranjeevas (eternal beings) there are great personalities behind you. So you just let go. And we are not to be guided by their norms, not by them. We have to put our own norms because we are different people. But first have confidence in ourselves! [That’s the] first thing. Are you better Atul? Now, Simon how are you? Are you feeling guilty about something? Simon: (muttering) No. Shri Mataji: Now you don’t swing from one end to another, just try to keep in the centre. You have read a lot and you know a lot, that’s called as dhyana. You have got dhyana. But you haven’t got bodha. Means your dhyana is not enlightened as yet. Aright? Because one is ‘to know’, and the another is ‘to know that the knowledge is enlightened’. This is the difference between the two. Alright? The other day Gavin asked me, “What is samadhi?” So I told him [that] it is enlightened awareness. Enlightened awareness. You are aware, but you are not enlightened. Samadhi is that. So in Sahaja Yoga, first you get nirvichara samadhi - that is thoughtless enlightened awareness. And secondly you get nirvikalpa samadhi - that is doubtless enlightened awareness. So to go to doubtless condition you must know [how] to avoid doubts. You have to change your style of approach. Other things you might have achieved through doubting, but Sahaja Yoga you achieve through dissolving. Gavin: You even have to pretend that you don’t doubt to start with. Shri Mataji: You have to go on pretending with yourself. Tell your mind, “I am not going to doubt.” Go on for a while. Then it works out. There’s nothing like the faith. Faith, I am saying, not the blind faith but faith. You have got the vibrations now. Now believe into them! That’s the only way! There’s no other way out I can tell you this much. Those who have taken to doubting will never approach it. You’ll be thrown away all the time with doubts. And a time may come when my attention may recede and you’ll drop out just like that. You just cannot do Sahaja Yoga like that. But blind faith is not needed. First you feel the vibrations. You see for yourself. Either we absolutely have blind faith or we have rationality. Can’t we be something in between? The people who are absolutely blind are useless. They might be saved because if they can ask questions to me that, “Are you this? Are you that?” Then they can be saved. If they come to that point! But those who are rational, they can never come into it! Because it’s like jumping like a monkey, from one branch to another branch. You can never land down. It’s only through faith, shraddha, through surrendering [that] you are going to achieve that state. And then [no] small ripples here and there, nothing, is going to disturb you. You are going to enjoy that state within yourself. Allow your faith to dissolve you. You know the time is very short. You’ve got your Realisation and you take so much time after that to come up to that, and that time is very much lost. Why do it? Now you have seen people who have shraddha how far they have gone, so why not follow them? So that is very important that, by doubting you are not going to achieve anything! You’ll be tossing. But you are to really put… Shri Mataji: Big girls have gone out (laughter) The big girls have gone out to play, you also go out and play with them, alright? Child: Ok. (laughter) Shri Mataji: Alright. See, how confident! Because they are innocent. They have faith in themselves. So stop your rationality. It is not going to take you anywhere! You have to learn to develop your shraddha. Even [if] you get Realisation, you cure people, you do anything. We have an example of somebody you know of. His mother was cured just like that. He was cured just like that. He got a job just like that. He got whatever he wanted, and then suddenly he drops out! Without any shraddha. So that is what it is. So many have done like that because if you do not have shraddha, you get tired of jumping from one to another. All the time you are doubting in this. It’s just a mental feat. We like to do circus for a while, it’s alright, but forget it! Now jump into it and get it! Now what do you lose? You lose nothing! Yogi: We lose ego. Shri Mataji: Ego. You lose your ego but you get your personality. What do you lose? Nothing. You get all the powers. Now the time is too short and you are taking too long to do it. And some of you will be tired, jumping like that all the time with your doubts, this way, that way. And what are you doubting? It’s all free. You don’t have to do anything about it. And doubting people can be quite foolish. They doubt about every nonsensical thing which has no meaning at all. They see things which do not exist because it’s just a habit, or you can say an indulgence; you can say an entertainment for people, to doubt into this. And then doubt. You see they are just jumping like monkeys. Stop that! Any one of you who goes [deep] down into shraddha and dissolves becomes a great instrument in the hands of God! Even to say that, “I doubt,” is wrong. These people think we are very honest by saying, “I doubt. I doubt Mother.” Please give up such ‘honesties’! It’s absurd! This is ego which is making you say these things that, “I doubt.” Because by saying that, it exists and you feel you are very honest. It’s not you are doubting, your ego is doubting. When you realise that, that your ego is doubting, it will become easier. “It’s not I who is doubting, it’s my ego which is doubting. Or maybe some possession in me which is doubting.” “Am I playing into the hands of some possession or my own ego?” That’s what it is - hundred percent! Because those who have not doubted have gone too far. You have seen people in India. You have seen Dhumal - he never doubted! His own brother, he was helped so much: he had no money to eat his food, he had gone to that condition because he had put a lot of money in a business which was failing. When he came to Sahaja Yoga his business started earning just like that. He became a moneyed man. His child was sick, he was cured. He was sick, he was cured. His wife was sick with something incurable, she was cured. But still he was doubting. He started taking drinks after that. He never used to take drinks [but] after doubting he started taking drinks. He did all that was prohibited in Sahaja Yoga just to prove his point. And where is he now? I would say, pay attention to your Self and not to your doubts! The doubts are coming from some dark corners of your mind which is with you. What are you going to lose is the point you must look into. Sort it out there. What have others lost? They have gained. Those who have doubted have lost, lost time. So don’t waste your time in useless things. There’s nothing to doubt. Every word I say is the truth and the truth. See the vibrations. You see! I have to boast [to make the vibrations flow]. You see! Every word. So don’t doubt it! Just take it and take it and take it. I know all this myself. I am not going to achieve anything by telling you these things, except that you will know me and I will know you. You are not to lose anything. You have to gain. So tell your mind to shut up for a while! It is already running with a very fast speed. Good! We want to get to that state of complete doubtless awareness and, for that, are we going to carry these doubts in our pockets? They have no meaning. They will all be neutralised. You have seen people who have neutralised it. But those who do it (doubting)…I have no word. Steady your shraddha. Steady it! It’s a force. It’s like a flame of a candle. Steady it! But by your doubts you are putting heavy pressure on it and it has to face those doubts. You are weakening yourself! Steady it. All of you steady it. Simon you have to get well. You are a seeker for ages now. In many lives you have been seeking. And now you are not going to play about anymore. Alright? You are going to be a certain ?? . Absolutely Simon: Mataji may I go now? Shri Mataji: Alright. You may go. Simon: See you. Shri Mataji: And you throw those away and bring seven more [lemons] to me in my house. Simon: Tomorrow night? Shri Mataji: Tomorrow night. Simon: What time would you like me to turn up? Shri Mataji: Oh, any time from about five onwards, that’s better. Alright? Five, six, anytime. Come to my house, bring them. And ask Philippa to come and see me also tomorrow evening, if possible, because I’ll talk to her about this, what is to be given. Simon: Seven chillies as well as seven lemons? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. Alright? And as I love you, try to love yourself. And now don’t get after yourself. I tried to tell you because there’s time today I can tell you about these things, for certain chakras how to clear them, even physically you can try. One of them is of Vishuddhi chakra. Now for Vishuddhi chakra I have told you many things but you can try one more thing which will help you. Is to put your head on the ground like this, near a bed, with your feet on the bed, resting on the bed. And try to come on the bed more and more, the body. Push it on the bed so the whole pressure comes up here. Alright. And then keep my photograph handy. In that stage you see my photograph. It will improve your Vishuddhis. In that case, in case you have Left Vishuddhi, then you turn your face towards the right and see it. If you have the Right Vishuddhi then turn your face to the left and see my photograph. That will help you because all of you have Vishuddhi problem. This will be of help. Yogi: You mean the neck on the floor? Shri Mataji: On the floor if you lie down. Now just lie down now, facing that side towards the…yes, now go ahead, like that. Gavin be careful. Now, go down. You go down, and more, more. Again try to bring this lower portion on top. Rustom: Bring the body straight. Shri Mataji: Yes. So that there isn’t much of a Hatha Yoga. Can you see? Yes. Yogi: Do you rest the weight on your shoulders or the head? Pressure on the neck? Shri Mataji: More on the Vishuddhi. Better now? Yogi: Where do you have the photo if you’re not going to look at it? Shri Mataji: No, no. You have the photo whichever side you look. Yogi: Yeah, I know. But if you’re not going to look to the left or the right? Shri Mataji: You turn your photograph with you. You must look at the photograph isn’t it? Because it helps your Agnya, always. If your Agnya is cleared out with that. Otherwise the Agnya is blocked. You see? Better? Gavin Brown: Hmmm. It’s very good. Shri Mataji: It’s very good this way. All of you should try this thing. I have told you about, for Swadishthana, what should be done. That you remember? Yogi: Should I show them? Shri Mataji: Yes show them what is to be done for Swadishthana - physically. Yogi: And you say the mantra? Shri Mataji: Yes you can say the mantra, would be a good idea. Now for people who have a problem of Mooladhara, or those who cannot sit on the ground and sort of a things: for them it’s [helpful] to practice with both your legs like this. Put them like that, you too have the same problem. Put these two [feet] together like this. You see, you cannot stretch it much. Try to stretch it down (the knees) on to the ground! Try to, try to, as much as you can! Not, in one shot you cannot do it! Yogi: You have to [try] to put your knees down? Shri Mataji: Yes. Put your knees down. They must touch the ground. I can do [this] quite a lot, despite my fat! Try to raise it and push that down. Gradually you have to do it. You’ll do it, in a month, you will work it out. That’s very good. You lift this so only your Mooladhara is touching. First you do this exercise then that one will work out. Just try. See! It’s working out. It’s much better now. Gradually it is. It is working out. You see, it is much better now. You see gradually it will work out, gradually, if you do it. It’s good for Mooladhara. For all the people who have mooladhara problem, this would be a good idea. So gradually we should see to different chakras, everything. Now for Hamsa also, Hamsa, I’ll tell you what is to be done. You lie on your body like that, on your stomach. Yogi: For which chakra? Shri Mataji: For the Hamsa. Now come along! Put your these things, Mooladharas, here on the Hamsa, and now ask the Mother Earth to suck in your problem. But the pressure should be quite a lot on that. Now you move it. Better? You feel better? You can feel the sensation at the bottom. Allow them to disappear. Here, even your pressure will go away from your…You’ll feel relieved from the pressure. Better? Now meditate. Even with your Vishuddhi here, would be a good idea, to the Mother Earth. Aum sakshat Omkara swarupini. It is Omkara and it becomes Christ here. So take Omkara here. No Deity, because it’s a nirguna. This is just relaxing. And for relaxing your sides you can lie down you can put your head on Mother Earth. Any of the cheeks on Mother Earth, you see. But this is not the end of everything! You have to use the mantras, and with dedication and devotion. Better? Much lighter now. It’s good. How are you? You have been at sea? Yogi: No, not at sea but I have been going into the sea. Shri Mataji: Good. (laughing) That must have solved all your problems! It’s a good idea. That’s what I say: get into the sea. Good. Very good. Yogi: Because these places where we go, you see, it’s surrounded by people who come for non-dharmic things. So you are in the midst of them and you jump into the sea! Shri Mataji: But now they are having a bad time. Everywhere you see now, all these resorts are having a bad time. Earthquakes are coming to resorts and things. Earthquakes and also lots of hurricanes and all these things are happening, because if you do adharmic things then the sea itself gets angry. Yogi: Do you remember last year in Spain with the fires, nine hundred people died? Shri Mataji: Yes very much. That also happened. All kinds you know. This Greek ship this tanker, landed. In France there is one resort which was all finished by this thing. And in Spain it was finished when they brought a gas, this thing. So, everywhere. Now there’s a hurricane and the other day I read about an earthquake coming. Yogi: Well in the Caribbean right now there’s a volcano erupting Shri Mataji: Yes, Volcano is bursting. All the Caribbean sea that was misused for adharmic things. Arnaud: Mother, I read an article in the Herald Tribune I read an article that said that, not only wars but nature is coming to be angry and we must be very careful. And I gave Gregoire this article. Shri Mataji: But this is all wrong you are doing. Imagine behaving like this before the sea! Yogi: But in some parts of the Caribbean they are very dharmic people. I saw a programme where an old lady was reading a Bible. She was in charge of the cash register and she would serve the customers and then read the Bible. Shri Mataji: Something is coming up there also. Yogi: But it’s mixed with a bit of spiritualism. Shri Mataji: Nothing clear cut, you know. Nothing in absolute way. So, these small, small patchworks, what are they going to help? You need a volcano! Really! What to do? That’s why I say, “What’s the use in having sympathy with these horrible people?” The whole of Caribbean sea they have ruined. Whole of it. Yogi: And California. Shri Mataji: California is another! That’s going to blast out very nicely! Yogi: Last year they did have a fire didn’t they, which damaged quite a lot of the properties and areas. Do you remember? Shri Mataji: Oh they had recently something there? Yogi: Yeah. Shri Mataji: A hurricane came in I think. Yogi: California? Shri Mataji: Yes. Very recently. Yogi: Not California, Florida. Shri Mataji: No, no. California itself. There was. Yogi: A fire. Shri Mataji: A fire broke out yes, fire broke out. Yogi: I drove through that place where the star’s homes are. They couldn’t stop the fire. Yogi: Hollywood is one of the worst places in the world. Shri Mataji: They generate sin. Yogini: And they export it all over the world. Shri Mataji: Yes, they generate all that is blasphemous. They teach people how to sin. They give people licentiousness. Give them all the power that is needed to fight the Absolute, the truth. They brainwash you.

5/5/1979

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Sahasrara Puja. Dollis Hill, London (UK), 5 May 1979. So today is a very, very important day, you know that; because in the history of creation, till the time of Christ, in the human awareness, only the sense of resurrection was created – that you can be resurrected or you can be reborn. That sense came down with them. People recognized it, that it can happen to all of us, sometime. But it did not happen. Actualization never took place. That was a problem. And without you entering into the Reality, whatever one may talk about, it sounds imaginative. So, one has to jump into the Reality, into the truth. This never had happened before and, as I have told you that, if it had happened to one or two people it makes no difference at all, to the masses, and nobody accepts it. And like the small little river flowing in the desert it disappears in the thin air. The truth also, whatever was found out, never had any roots. And all kinds of funny things started with this reality, which these people preached. So it was to be the culmination of human consciousness, where he becomes one with the Divine. That he becomes one with himself. It was to happen. And that too was to happen at the time, which was most opportune, the best time. Because, unless and until the human desire is very strong, the human will is very strong and is asking for the Reality, the Reality does not go into action. Other things, of course, as far as the creation is concerned, creating the animals and all the trees and the fruits and flowers, all these things are done. But the human evolution could not have matured earlier because there was not so much of seeking. So when the time came, when the necessity was so great that the necessity itself brought forth Sahaja Yoga. And it happened that I really saw the Sahasrara. Of course, you know there’s a difference between your Sahasrara and mine. And I saw the Sahasrara, which is the Great Sahasrara, opening out beautifully. And the petals were just like flames, rounded flames; not like flames but rounded ones: rounded, beautifully coloured flames, of different colours. That’s why I wore today a blouse of many colours and a sari of many colours. Because I saw so many permutations and combinations of these. It opened out so beautifully. And as if every petal was individually, absolutely complete and perfect, but so integrated at the base. And the way it opened out, and the movement, was so rhythmic and so harmonious. There was no problem. Such a harmony was between them; no fluctuation anywhere. As if they were dancing to the tune, they opened out. And the colours, all spread out their light around the aura. And in the centre I saw the Agnya (inaudible), or you can say the Sun colour, and all the chakras from there also emitting light. But the chakras were darker in shades and they were emitting. So dark that they were all looking blackish, so dark. Sort of a condensed colour they had. And they were also emitting light all over. And the light, as soon as the whole thing opened out, the light absolutely spread out, and then I said “It’s done,” it can be done. So, first I had to open out my Sahasrara itself, then your Sahasraras could be opened out. And then I felt that, a tremendous flow of my grace, started flowing. So much grace, even upon me. Like torrential rain on me. Absolutely I was so drenched in that joy. Really I was lost, absolutely lost. I felt that the whole Creation is now resounding with that Universal Consciousness. Just like that. Everything was finished. Only the joy was permeating. It was such a beautiful time. And then I started my work. But as you know, in the beginning, it’s very difficult to talk about these things. To begin with it is very difficult for a person to say that “I am such and such.” It’s a really embarrassing stuff. It’s extremely embarrassing to tell someone. I mean if you have some power, or something you feel shy to talk about that. You just don’t want to stand out and be singled out. You feel so lonely about it and you don’t want to mention it to anyone. I managed it for quite some time. But when the Sahasrara opened out, I knew that I will have to come out in my true colours. Of course, not yet, I have not yet come out because that would be terrible. But, as it is, when the Sahasrara opened out I realised that the instrument is now operative. So this Instrument that is before you is the Instrument by which you are going to know the truth. You can find out the truth now, through this Instrument of mine. Because through this Instrument you will get your Kundalini awakened, you’ll get your Realisation. And through your vibrations you will be able to know the Truth. You already know that the rapport between you and the Truth has started. You can ask any question and you get the answer. So, first of all the Truth will be known, and that Truth, once you know, will be followed by another dimension of that Truth and another dimension. And I knew a stage will be reached where I will have to give the whole of it. And the whole of it you have got it. But this Instrument has a special thing about it, because Sahasrara is, the essence of Sahasrara, is integration, is ekagrata. I have told you what is ekagrata: that is all the holes of all the needles if you put together and thread them together that is called as ‘ekagra’. ‘Agra’ means ‘the end’, ‘ek’ means ‘one’. All the ends are put through one string. Now what does this means? In a very subtle way if we understand that all the chakras are threaded into my Being. That means all types of patterns that have been created, all types of religions, all types of faiths, all types of ideas, all types of enterprises, science, yogas, everything! All of them are threaded in this Being. So supposing you are a hatha yogi, then you have to just ask question, “Mother, are you hatha yoga?” finished. If you are doing Raja Yoga, you just ask, “Mother, are you Raja Yoga?” If you are a Christian, just ask, “Mother, are you Christ?” If you are a Muslim you just ask, “Mother, are you the Prophet?” Even if you are people who do not believe in God, [you] say, “Are You the Abstract Image? Are You Buddha? Are You Mahavira?” All of them are with me. So that all of you, wherever you may be, whatever you might have developed, nothing is wasted, but is given a proper meaning. But with that meaning you will be integrated with others also. Because there's One Personality, which has all these within. Like one thousand names of one Goddess. So automatically they will be integrated. You can be a Hindu, you can be a Muslim, you can be a Christian, if you want to call yourself something like that. But once you become a Sahaja Yogi you are all integrated. You can go to Church, if you want to, you can go to a Mosque if you want to, but you know who is the person who is there. Do you follow that point? This is the essence of Sahasrara. And for that reason we have to give up our misidentifications. Like if you say, “I am a Christian,” then how are you a Christian? “I am Church of England,” that’s not the way to understand. You are a Christian, alright, then you are following Christ, because I am Christ. If everybody is following one lamppost, you can say, then they are all integrating. You may seek from one angle another may seek from another angle, but by this integration you will realise that the Light is the same. So all these years, the way people have been fighting and quarrelling, all that is going to be absolutely neutralised. This is the beauty of integration. Anywhere in the world, whatever they are following can be answered. But supposing its some sort of a falsehood thing like voodoo, then I am not that. Of course not. I am not falsehood. Whatever is the Truth, whatever you have followed something which is called as ‘truth’ - which is called, also. In the sense, like Christianity is not Truth, Christ is the Truth. But if you are a Christian and followed Christ in a false way, because following pope is not following Christ at all. Or say, becoming a Church of England, this thing is not following Christ. But, if you have been following Christ even through Church of England, it’s alright. Even through pope it’s alright. Because now you have found out the Truth. So this was a very important and a crucial day I would say, the 5th of May. And it all happened very dramatically, extremely dramatically, that I went to a programme, not a programme, but I went to find out about one of the horrid rakshasas’ places, to see what sort of a thing he was about to. And of course I had made my own arrangements and I stayed in a friend’s place. But I went to the camp to see what he was doing, what was he up to; in a very simple innocent way, he could never have guessed that I was up to some mischief! Extremely simple and innocent. I look so innocent don’t take me for that. I am very clever! So I went down and the fellow thought me to be a great disciple of his and all that. (laughing) Then I went to the seashore and I saw what he was up to, I was so angry, I said, “Now, what is it?” I said, “I must hurry up. It has to be done now. It’s no more time needed. Because just see what is he up to!” He was working on a chakra which is to be worshipped and I felt that I must do something about it. And really it happened, that I could just open out the Sahasrara. I said, “That’s it!” Because as you must’ve heard that Goddess has no [purpose]. She’s nishprayojana, She’s purposeless, She has no purpose at all. But, if the purpose comes in Her way, then She may do something. But She doesn’t have Her own purpose. She’s absolutely purposeless, useless! Without any desire. Imagine! Without any attributes. What a thing and a half, whatever it is! Such a personality when It is faced with a demand like that, comes up with it’s form. So now you understand from there that, on this Sahasrara day, you have to also demand. I want you to demand and ask, because I have no desire. And you just go ahead! You have all the rights to demand from me. And ask for the biggest and the highest and the most fantastic and the most dynamic that you want to do. Put up your minds and heads together, and ask for something big. This is a very great day today. Go home, think about it. Collectively also you decide. I’ll go now, so then you decide and put a demand and it could be done! Now, thy will be done, not mine. After lecture conversation: So, I will make a move now. I hope all of you will come on the 7th and bring all your friends and all that. We might get a big crowd, I can’t say. But crowd is a crowd. Sahaja Yogis are Sahaja Yogis. You might get a big crowd out of which, we put in them in the sea you’ll find only two remaining back. So sahaja yogi is different. We might get a crowd. I don’t know depends on Caxton Hall maybe. Thanks to Caxton Hall Meeting that my children have lost all their seats and all their ?? (laughing) Douglas Fry: I thought something would come of it. Shri Mataji: Ha ha! You knew that. Douglas Fry: I knew something funny would happen, it had to! Shri Mataji: There is a saying that ‘When the fox has to die, he runs towards the city.’ Then they told me they are coming to the Caxton Hall I said, “Very good idea!” You see that’s a very good trap. And not a single person, all of them lost their vibrations. Sahaja Yogi: They went down Shri Mataji: You see hatred is not going to work out. It’s nice, in a way, this lady has also come, lets see, she’s after all a woman and we can work on her. Though she’s also with this crowd. Sahaja Yogi: She has a colossal of ego. Shri Mataji: She has, for a woman, eh! She does. I shook hand with her, raised her Kundalini and with the speed with which it raised I felt wawa! I’ll raise her Kundalini all right. Don’t say. Not much hope from her but. We might get a good group. There’s Lord Hailsham, I met him in a dinner very, very intimate dinner we had. Dr. Nagendra Singh was there and he told that She is a very big spiritual leader of India, this and that. He said, “If you want to know anything about Truth, She’ll be able to tell you”. He said, “I know all about the Truth”. So he (Dr Singh) asked me, “What do you know about this one?” I said, “His Kundalini is frozen down below there!” (laughing) He was a very proud fellow – “I know all about Truth!” Imagine to say that! Rustom: Should I take some vibrations from you? Shri Mataji: Lots of it left here. Nabhi, most of you have a left Nabhi....

Sahasrara Puja. Dollis Hill, London (UK), 5 May 1979. So today is a very, very important day, you know that; because in the history of creation, till the time of Christ, in the human awareness, only the sense of resurrection was created – that you can be resurrected or you can be reborn. That sense came down with them. People recognized it, that it can happen to all of us, sometime. But it did not happen. Actualization never took place. That was a problem. And without you entering into the Reality, whatever one may talk about, it sounds imaginative. So, one has to jump into the Reality, into the truth. This never had happened before and, as I have told you that, if it had happened to one or two people it makes no difference at all, to the masses, and nobody accepts it. And like the small little river flowing in the desert it disappears in the thin air. The truth also, whatever was found out, never had any roots. And all kinds of funny things started with this reality, which these people preached. So it was to be the culmination of human consciousness, where he becomes one with the Divine. That he becomes one with himself. It was to happen. And that too was to happen at the time, which was most opportune, the best time. Because, unless and until the human desire is very strong, the human will is very strong and is asking for the Reality, the Reality does not go into action. Other things, of course, as far as the creation is concerned, creating the animals and all the trees and the fruits and flowers, all these things are done. But the human evolution could not have matured earlier because there was not so much of seeking. So when the time came, when the necessity was so great that the necessity itself brought forth Sahaja Yoga. And it happened that I really saw the Sahasrara. Of course, you know there’s a difference between your Sahasrara and mine. And I saw the Sahasrara, which is the Great Sahasrara, opening out beautifully. And the petals were just like flames, rounded flames; not like flames but rounded ones: rounded, beautifully coloured flames, of different colours. That’s why I wore today a blouse of many colours and a sari of many colours. Because I saw so many permutations and combinations of these. It opened out so beautifully. And as if every petal was individually, absolutely complete and perfect, but so integrated at the base. And the way it opened out, and the movement, was so rhythmic and so harmonious. There was no problem. Such a harmony was between them; no fluctuation anywhere. As if they were dancing to the tune, they opened out. And the colours, all spread out their light around the aura. And in the centre I saw the Agnya (inaudible), or you can say the Sun colour, and all the chakras from there also emitting light. But the chakras were darker in shades and they were emitting. So dark that they were all looking blackish, so dark. Sort of a condensed colour they had. And they were also emitting light all over. And the light, as soon as the whole thing opened out, the light absolutely spread out, and then I said “It’s done,” it can be done. So, first I had to open out my Sahasrara itself, then your Sahasraras could be opened out. And then I felt that, a tremendous flow of my grace, started flowing. So much grace, even upon me. Like torrential rain on me. Absolutely I was so drenched in that joy. Really I was lost, absolutely lost. I felt that the whole Creation is now resounding with that Universal Consciousness. Just like that. Everything was finished. Only the joy was permeating. It was such a beautiful time. And then I started my work. But as you know, in the beginning, it’s very difficult to talk about these things. To begin with it is very difficult for a person to say that “I am such and such.” It’s a really embarrassing stuff. It’s extremely embarrassing to tell someone. I mean if you have some power, or something you feel shy to talk about that. You just don’t want to stand out and be singled out. You feel so lonely about it and you don’t want to mention it to anyone. I managed it for quite some time. But when the Sahasrara opened out, I knew that I will have to come out in my true colours. Of course, not yet, I have not yet come out because that would be terrible. But, as it is, when the Sahasrara opened out I realised that the instrument is now operative. So this Instrument that is before you is the Instrument by which you are going to know the truth. You can find out the truth now, through this Instrument of mine. Because through this Instrument you will get your Kundalini awakened, you’ll get your Realisation. And through your vibrations you will be able to know the Truth. You already know that the rapport between you and the Truth has started. You can ask any question and you get the answer. So, first of all the Truth will be known, and that Truth, once you know, will be followed by another dimension of that Truth and another dimension. And I knew a stage will be reached where I will have to give the whole of it. And the whole of it you have got it. But this Instrument has a special thing about it, because Sahasrara is, the essence of Sahasrara, is integration, is ekagrata. I have told you what is ekagrata: that is all the holes of all the needles if you put together and thread them together that is called as ‘ekagra’. ‘Agra’ means ‘the end’, ‘ek’ means ‘one’. All the ends are put through one string. Now what does this means? In a very subtle way if we understand that all the chakras are threaded into my Being. That means all types of patterns that have been created, all types of religions, all types of faiths, all types of ideas, all types of enterprises, science, yogas, everything! All of them are threaded in this Being. So supposing you are a hatha yogi, then you have to just ask question, “Mother, are you hatha yoga?” finished. If you are doing Raja Yoga, you just ask, “Mother, are you Raja Yoga?” If you are a Christian, just ask, “Mother, are you Christ?” If you are a Muslim you just ask, “Mother, are you the Prophet?” Even if you are people who do not believe in God, [you] say, “Are You the Abstract Image? Are You Buddha? Are You Mahavira?” All of them are with me. So that all of you, wherever you may be, whatever you might have developed, nothing is wasted, but is given a proper meaning. But with that meaning you will be integrated with others also. Because there's One Personality, which has all these within. Like one thousand names of one Goddess. So automatically they will be integrated. You can be a Hindu, you can be a Muslim, you can be a Christian, if you want to call yourself something like that. But once you become a Sahaja Yogi you are all integrated. You can go to Church, if you want to, you can go to a Mosque if you want to, but you know who is the person who is there. Do you follow that point? This is the essence of Sahasrara. And for that reason we have to give up our misidentifications. Like if you say, “I am a Christian,” then how are you a Christian? “I am Church of England,” that’s not the way to understand. You are a Christian, alright, then you are following Christ, because I am Christ. If everybody is following one lamppost, you can say, then they are all integrating. You may seek from one angle another may seek from another angle, but by this integration you will realise that the Light is the same. So all these years, the way people have been fighting and quarrelling, all that is going to be absolutely neutralised. This is the beauty of integration. Anywhere in the world, whatever they are following can be answered. But supposing its some sort of a falsehood thing like voodoo, then I am not that. Of course not. I am not falsehood. Whatever is the Truth, whatever you have followed something which is called as ‘truth’ - which is called, also. In the sense, like Christianity is not Truth, Christ is the Truth. But if you are a Christian and followed Christ in a false way, because following pope is not following Christ at all. Or say, becoming a Church of England, this thing is not following Christ. But, if you have been following Christ even through Church of England, it’s alright. Even through pope it’s alright. Because now you have found out the Truth. So this was a very important and a crucial day I would say, the 5th of May. And it all happened very dramatically, extremely dramatically, that I went to a programme, not a programme, but I went to find out about one of the horrid rakshasas’ places, to see what sort of a thing he was about to. And of course I had made my own arrangements and I stayed in a friend’s place. But I went to the camp to see what he was doing, what was he up to; in a very simple innocent way, he could never have guessed that I was up to some mischief! Extremely simple and innocent. I look so innocent don’t take me for that. I am very clever! So I went down and the fellow thought me to be a great disciple of his and all that. (laughing) Then I went to the seashore and I saw what he was up to, I was so angry, I said, “Now, what is it?” I said, “I must hurry up. It has to be done now. It’s no more time needed. Because just see what is he up to!” He was working on a chakra which is to be worshipped and I felt that I must do something about it. And really it happened, that I could just open out the Sahasrara. I said, “That’s it!” Because as you must’ve heard that Goddess has no [purpose]. She’s nishprayojana, She’s purposeless, She has no purpose at all. But, if the purpose comes in Her way, then She may do something. But She doesn’t have Her own purpose. She’s absolutely purposeless, useless! Without any desire. Imagine! Without any attributes. What a thing and a half, whatever it is! Such a personality when It is faced with a demand like that, comes up with it’s form. So now you understand from there that, on this Sahasrara day, you have to also demand. I want you to demand and ask, because I have no desire. And you just go ahead! You have all the rights to demand from me. And ask for the biggest and the highest and the most fantastic and the most dynamic that you want to do. Put up your minds and heads together, and ask for something big. This is a very great day today. Go home, think about it. Collectively also you decide. I’ll go now, so then you decide and put a demand and it could be done! Now, thy will be done, not mine. After lecture conversation: So, I will make a move now. I hope all of you will come on the 7th and bring all your friends and all that. We might get a big crowd, I can’t say. But crowd is a crowd. Sahaja Yogis are Sahaja Yogis. You might get a big crowd out of which, we put in them in the sea you’ll find only two remaining back. So sahaja yogi is different. We might get a crowd. I don’t know depends on Caxton Hall maybe. Thanks to Caxton Hall Meeting that my children have lost all their seats and all their ?? (laughing) Douglas Fry: I thought something would come of it. Shri Mataji: Ha ha! You knew that. Douglas Fry: I knew something funny would happen, it had to! Shri Mataji: There is a saying that ‘When the fox has to die, he runs towards the city.’ Then they told me they are coming to the Caxton Hall I said, “Very good idea!” You see that’s a very good trap. And not a single person, all of them lost their vibrations. Sahaja Yogi: They went down Shri Mataji: You see hatred is not going to work out. It’s nice, in a way, this lady has also come, lets see, she’s after all a woman and we can work on her. Though she’s also with this crowd. Sahaja Yogi: She has a colossal of ego. Shri Mataji: She has, for a woman, eh! She does. I shook hand with her, raised her Kundalini and with the speed with which it raised I felt wawa! I’ll raise her Kundalini all right. Don’t say. Not much hope from her but. We might get a good group. There’s Lord Hailsham, I met him in a dinner very, very intimate dinner we had. Dr. Nagendra Singh was there and he told that She is a very big spiritual leader of India, this and that. He said, “If you want to know anything about Truth, She’ll be able to tell you”. He said, “I know all about the Truth”. So he (Dr Singh) asked me, “What do you know about this one?” I said, “His Kundalini is frozen down below there!” (laughing) He was a very proud fellow – “I know all about Truth!” Imagine to say that! Rustom: Should I take some vibrations from you? Shri Mataji: Lots of it left here. Nabhi, most of you have a left Nabhi....

5/7/1979

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Sahaja Yoga and Christianity, They Are All Seeking

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1979-05-07 Sahaja Yoga and Christianity – They Are All Seeking Shri Mataji starts to talk, The first sentence is inaudible. Music is a very good instrument for the spirit to manifest itself. Specially Veena is one of the Adi tantras (UNCLEAR) as you call them, or you can say the musical instrument. It is a very important instrument for inciting the Kundalini also. As he is a realised soul it will definitely act on people whenever he plays. I am sure it is going to give him a great success, it may not be to many people it will appeal but it will definitely go to people who are seeking of a deep down in themselves, asking for the answers of many absolute questions. Seeking is a fashion today in the West and also it is very genuine among men. What are we seeking in life, what do we expect to seek? One thing we know that we are not satisfied with whatever things we have, we are not satisfied with our material being, neither with our emotional being, neither with our mental being. Always the joy is followed by unhappiness, that means that there is something imperfect within us, something lacking very much. If that was not so we would have been happy like the birds like the flowers, like the animals. This lacking is felt only in this form which we call as the Human Being, only in the Human Being one feels that there is something that is missing in life because in the evolutionary path as you know human beings are the highest and they have reached a stage where they are aware of this lacking, this imperfection within ourselves. This is I think also is the blessing of the modern times that we are aware of it much more today than we were ever, some are really aware of it, they are genuinely aware of it, and they are really seeking something. Others take to fashion, they may not be that deep, they may not be that massive, but if I have to tell you that there is a life which is not known to us which is beyond us, it is not easy for a thinking man to believe in it because we see only our body, we can see the working of our minds but we cannot see other things, we cannot feel them through our senses, and it is very difficult for a modern person to believe into something that is beyond. But this is not only one dimension, that we have another life, another force, another source but I would say there are at least 4 dimensions in which we live unknown to those realms which are around us.S ometimes we get a glimpse of that sometimes, but we are not stationed there, neither we are there to understand. Here are we have shown in the diagram a Human Being I hope you all can see, can you, you all can come this way, there is no need to be in that way, could all be this way it’s better, but cos with new people will come they can go there (its better to be here ?), here, that’s better, now can you all see from there, can you all sit down, can you see from there? Oh you can come round. Here is the human being, as you are a human being. Now whatever I have to tell you about this you need not believe me at all. There is no blind faith needed on the contrary blind faith goes against reality, but keep yourself open and see for yourself if it works. You need not have any preconceived ideas about it also, because you will be able to see later on that whatever I say can happen to you all. Now this is a Human Being as I have shown here, and he has got the left, right, and the lower and the top of his head, 4 sides. The left side of the human being contains all the subconscious, all that is dead in him in all his lives, and through his left side he is connected to the collective consciousness, collective subconsciousness that is all that is dead. All that has happened all that is ( bhawa? ) On the right hand side there is another area which is called as the supra conscious. Left hand side is all the past, right hand side is all the future about which we conceive of, about which we think of by our mental activity we can conceive of all the future we can achieve, for example the idea of going to the moon existed in this part. We have achieved it by movement towards the right and also all that is dead in the name of future like a person who always plans about the future is also on the right hand side in the collective supra conscious. The right hand area is the supraconscious and beyond that is the collective supra conscious. This area is also unknown to us. Left hand side area is also unknown to us. But whatever is unknown need not be divine and it need not be a conveyance for your realisation. As you see down below is the area where what we call the hell exists. It exists around us but on top of the head there exists an area of Super consciousness that is the area of Divine Power. You have heard in the books that there is all pervading Divine Power, the Holy Ghost, the Adi Shakti which encompasses the whole universe, the whole creation even the small atoms and molecules, it is pulsating because of this all pervading power of Divine Power. In all the scriptures it has been described but how are we to believe it. Is there really such a power existing? Is there something beyond or it is only the material life that we live into, that we are every day worried about what to get for food what to wear, how to go about social life, political life, economic life or is there any other power which is really manifesting, acting, controlling, co-ordinating and also all the time loving you. If there is so has anybody felt it has anybody known it. This is the power you are really seeking, not the power of the left hand or the right hand nor the power of hell which is a bottomless pit. You are seeking the power that is all pervading is the power of Gods love. Love is the most powerful thing, but which love is the dynamic love of God. Is there God even, one can ask a question like that, is there God, are we to believe that there is God. How are we to believe that there is God, people have believed into God without knowing him, without feeling him, without any experience. Why they have been doing it because there has been a sustaining force. Some sort of sustaining force has been working on them, which has kept them alive. The fact that there is some power who we can call as Divine Power. But nobody has so far been able to give an en masse understanding or feeling of it. Very few who talked about it, who felt it, were never accepted by common people, they were rejected, stoned , crucified, killed, poisoned. It is said that the whole world, the whole universe that you see is just a reflection on the mirror of that all pervading power, when you see the reflection you cannot see the mirror, you have to become the mirror but how? then we come to one question, why did Human Being become a Human Being from amoeba stage and why did he become that? What is the purpose of making him a Human Being of this shape? We should wonder about it, why with two limbs like that, two legs like that in an erect position. It is a fundamental question which any scientist should look into. What is the reason for creating in all these thousands of years a Human Being? It is not just to run a puppet show of politics or economics it has no meaning it is just a game going on, you can see it clearly it’s a game. Is it only to play these games we were made into Human Beings, if so why are we not happy about it, why are we not satisfied, why do we not feel our fulfilment. The reason is our fulfilment is not this, is something very different, unless and until we have that fulfilment we are not going to feel satisfied with ourselves, and that fulfilment is to feel that Superconsciousness which is all pervading. So we can also conclude that if we have to become that, if we have to become that all pervading power or if we have to be connected to that all pervading power what are we going to gain out of it. First of all you do not know any truths, you do not know if there is God, it is all relative. If there is God there is 37 truths, people say, there are 38 truths, there are 65 truths, is there any absolute truth? A simple question like God, is there God, is a fundamental question. If you ask this question to a computer you might get any number of answers as many number of computers there are. Those people who are feeding the computers will give you a different answer, but if there is something else by which we can know the absolute. We have become a Human Being without doing anything about it. We were just amoeba anyway and we have become a Human Being, we have done nothing about it. What are we going to do to become that by which you are going to know this super consciousness within you. You cannot do anything about it. It is a spontaneous process it is a living process within you which works spontaneously and that’s why we call it Sahaja Sah means with ja means born, it is born with you, what is born with you is the light to unite with that power. It is born with you, so we call it as Sahaja Yoga, it is the Maha Yoga they call it because this is what one has to achieve. All the rest of the nonsensical things are useless. Supposing you start flying on a flying saucer what’s the use? Supposing somebody gives you 100 diamonds, what’s the use? Supposing you get into a trance and start talking big what’s the use? Supposing by saying some mantras you become a speedy person and you start doing too much of work and cannot rest like a mad possessed person, what’s the use? So what do you have to become is yourself, which you are not yet yourself. Because you do not know what is within you you cannot feel yourself, because you cannot feel yourself we can say that there is no awareness about yourself. At the most you can see some pain here or a pain there because you cannot feel yourself you cannot feel others. Now what is the mechanism that God has built within us? How are we built, we have to find out. In our being God resides as a reflection in our heart as spirit as Atma. How are we to know there is Atma is a simple thing like I would say I am not this church, I am not this life, because I can see I am not this lamp, because I can see I am not this mind, because I know how it works, I am not this body because I can see there is something else that is seeing it, you go on negating one by one you reach a place where there is one I which knows what is that I, you have to reach that point. From the point of science we have to know there are many things absolutely undiscovered so far. If there are doctors here they will know we have a system called as autonomous nervous system, yes, it works on itself, what is this auto in Sanskrit, we can call it (Swayamchaalit) what is this Swayam what is this self driven self motivated system you have just given it a name, you have not explained anything by saying it is autonomous but who is this auto, who is this Atma, who does this work? If you can understand that there is something which knows everything about us and around us that is the one, is the spirit. You say that all the time “I know” now which part of you knows? But how to know the self? Is there any mechanism within us That God has placed to know the self by which we know this all pervading power of super conscious, there is a beautiful mechanism within us placed and that mechanism is called in the Sanskrit language as Kundalini because in India people have meditated, they were not so much challenged by the nature as they are challenged in other countries. It is a very warm country people can live with minimum. It was not necessary for them to indulge so much in the protection of their body securing food or ordinary life, they could live so their attention was turned towards the questions that I just now said, that why are we here as Human Beings and when they started searching it in their meditation they discovered the great truth about this great instrument called as Kundalini. Of course in the bible also there is a mention of Kundalini, because it is said that I will appear before you like tongues of flames. Tongues of flames, how do we explain tongues of flames. Where are the tongues of flames within us, have you seen any tongues of flames within us, have you seen them outside somewhere, that God is going to appear before us as tongues of flames? That is a description of the Kundalini of the chakras of the centres which lies within us in this way as it is shown over here. You may say you are not seeing it. Alright, for that you have to have a different personality, a higher personality where you become that all pervading power when you get in contact with that Divine Power. Then only you start feeling those centres within you on your fingers you can feel them very clearly, you can feel all these centres that are within you and also the centres in other people. Now there are at least 50% people who have felt it among you. Minimum of 50% people who know about it and at least there are 25% who have mastered this. So why not the rest of them all of them should get it. But for that keep a little open mind and I will explain to you what is the Kundalini within us. I am talking of the subtler things, much subtler than we think of. Can you say from where does our idea of innocence come. Do we ever realise that there is definitely this idea prevalent, we accept the word innocence. It is a very subtle thing innocence is from where does it come to us, innocence where does it lie within us? Can any psychologist tell me from where does the innocence come and how it is destroyed and how you can regain it back? All these centres here these 7 centres that lie within us represent such subtle things like innocence. The first centre which lies below the Kundalini, the Kundalini which is the main force, residual force which brings forth this experience of Self Realisation, the one that connects you with the mains like you can say this is connected with the mains. Unless and until it is connected What do we talk of God, what do we talk of the all pervading power, it all has no meaning. It is just a joke going on if it is not connected if I speak on this will you hear me? In the same way when you are not connected with God through your self realisation all talk of God could be alright or could be horrid. You may be worshipping a devil in the name of God. How will you know that a person is Divine? This Kundalini which is above the first centre which is in three and a half coils is an energy that rests in the triangular bone in every Human Being in a dormant stage just waiting for that moment when somebody who is authorised can raise it and give you that power. This is, I am talking about your own power, and not my power, it is your own power which must manifest. If you go to a Guru if he just polishes off your money, what do you understand of it, he is just befooling you. If he cannot give you your own power then his is not a Guru. It is your own power which must manifest and you should feel this all pervading power, you must experience it, you must experiment it and should be able to manoeuvre it. Then only one can say you are self realised not only that but you should be able to feel your own chakras and you should be able to feel the chakras of others, and you should be able to give realisation to others. All this can be done once you are self realised without that nothing can work out. My talk is a talk it has no meaning unless and until it has worked out the miracle of Kundalini awakening. Now, a lot has been said against the Kundalini awakening part. People are frightened, there are books and books which fills people with awe to read about Kundalini, saying what, whatever it is it is a dangerous path of kundalini it is going to torture us and all that. I can assure you that in India, abroad, and everywhere thousands of people must have come to Sahaja Yoga, not a single person has suffered, on the contrary at least out of them 70% people have achieved Self Realisation. Because she is your Mother. She is your Divine Mother. If your Mother has so much of compassion for you, love for you she is the source of all that love and she is not going to trouble you on the contrary she is so kind. She is just waiting for the moment for it to happen she is not going to trouble you and torture you. Then how is it these people have felt such horrible experiences you may ask me, They are not authorised people, they do not know how to do it, they have no authority to awaken the Kundalini. Supposing you do not know how to handle a mechanism electrical mechanism when you put your hand into it you will burn your hand, does that mean that electricity gives you burning. If you are not a person who is entitled to do a thing such a person has to be definitely a holy person. If he is not a Holy person he has no business to raise the Kundalini. A person who leads a very sinful life has nothing to do with Kundalini. One must know that a cynic can never take you to God. But a person who is Holy and the one who is realised can definitely raise your Kundalini and the Kundalini only will rise because of him and not because of any ordering or any manoeuvring or any doing about it. All these things are absolutely useless because Kundalini is the consciousness which understands, which thinks, which loves and it obeys only the one who has the power to love as much as she does. All these big big books I have read I was amazed how these people without any knowledge about Kundalini without any understanding about it have written these big books just to make some money. Have they not to answer to God for what they have done? So have no fear about Kundalini she is your Mother, the kindest of all, full of love, and she forgives you all that you have done, she is the storehouse of all the compassion that you could think of and she is not going to burn you or trouble you or give you any trouble. But if you have a problem she will attend to it. For example if someone is suffering from liver trouble you can see with your naked eye the Kundalini pulsating coming to the liver and supplying it. Here there are, as I have told you 50% people who have seen the pulsation of the kundalini at the triangular bone, and there are thousands who have seen it with naked eye, you can see it pulsating in the triangular bone. Some of these people who have written such big books on the kundalini have said that the kundalini resides in the stomach, I mean something so absurd they have written, something so wrong so false and that is why you don’t be afraid of this word kundalini. This kundalini is the one kept in a sleeping condition they say for this last culmination of your evolution as a human being to become connected with that subtle force and this kundalini when it rises and passes through the various chakras it enlightens them one by one. All these chakras are placed within us during the different evolutionary periods. The first one which is the Ganesha Chakra as they call it, is the mooladhara chakra is the centre of mooladhara. But is not the mooladhara or the Kula Kunda as they call it, is mooladhara chakra is the one that sustains the mooladhara. Now what is the word meaning mooladhara, means the support of the root. What is the support of the root? The support of the root is the ground is the earth is the matter and that’s why this represents the matter within us. Matter is innocent, matter has got innocence and you get your innocence from this chakra. Shri Ganesha was made out of the, they say, it is a beautiful poetic way of saying it, out of the mud that was covering the Mother Parvati or you can say the Gauri at that time. Because she was not married in the sense that she was a virgin just finished her marriage and she was to meet her husband and this virgin wanted to have a bath before meeting her husband, so she cleanses her hands properly and makes this deity of Shri Ganesha which is bestowed on this centre. If you really develop your proper insight through meditation you can see Shri Ganesha settled down there very clearly. Shri Ganesha is the embodiment of innocence and that’s why he is a child, that’s why his head is that of an elephant, because an elephant being an animal doesn’t grow into ego and superego like human beings do. Thats why he is a child. He is the embodiment of childhood and he incarnated on this earth once which is described in Devi Bhagwhat if you read as Mahavishnu. He has incarnated as Mahavishnu and this was nobody else but Lord Jesus Christ. Even he was born in a way the same way as Ganesha was born without the father, to a virgin. If I am saying something untrue you can find out later by verifying it through a method which I will explain to you a little later, this is a very very important centre for all of us, because unless and until the deity settled on this chakra permits the kundalini will not rise. If your innocence is in danger the kundalini will never rise and even if it rises for a little while out of its excitement it will again be sucked back. Though this chakra is placed below the kundalini which is a very important point. Which people do not know, it is below the kundalini and not above the kundalini so it is not necessary to pierce this kundalini pierce this chakra through the kundalini it is not necessary. What is necessary is to know the importance of this centre and allow the kundalini to rise and it passes through other 6 chakras and that is why is called as ShatChakraBheda? And that means there are 6 chakras which it crosses. Now the lower chakra which is the first one Mooladhara chakra I will describe it in more details because dont have too much time because you must be anxiously waiting for the experience. It is very important and is controlling or manifesting the pelvic plexus outside. Now we scientists know about the pelvic plexus being placed there. This pelvic plexus also has got 4 sub plexuses in the same way this centre has also got 4 petals. Now you know what is a pelvic plexus is and what it does. It looks after the sex, the excretion of the urine and stool. At this place Ganesha was placed because he is like a lotus in the mud and that is why it is important that we must understand about our sex life, and we must know that we have to be correct in our ideas about sex life. Those people who say that we can excite kundalini through sex are immoral people. They are sinful people they are teaching you how to commit sin. This is your Mother so why is she sitting down there and if you want to put your sex onto your Mother, what do you call it? I was shocked, I am so shocked that there is a regular organisation going on in this London which is teaching you how to commit sin, and there are 1000s and 1000s of people following that sort of an organisation. I think it is a very wrong thing and absolutely condemnable blasphemy apart from that it is punishable, and if they have any fear of the divine laws they should give up all these ideas and take to a proper life. It doesn’t mean any kind of fanaticism, it means that you should lead a good married life. It doesn’t mean that you should take to sanyasa, sanyasa is against Sahaja, it is absolutely against Sahaja. If someone is a sanyasi know that there is some sort of a danger in this man. Sanyasa is another show, what is there to show that you are a sanyasi, if you have sanyasa within you, you are there you are a sanyasi. Why to put a cloth or a dress to show that you are a sanyasi? All these extreme behaviours of life are not needed. To achieve that state you have to stabilise yourself- still, stabilise, do not go to extremes. There is no need to go to extremes. It is in the central path you have to be not to go to one extreme or to another extreme. Actually when you go too much to one extreme you will definitely go to the other extreme. It happens like that like a pendulum you move from one to another, for example you know in this country people were very materialistic, they thought that matter was very important they were building up doing this doing that. Now when it is over you young people have discovered that “Oh God what is all this, this is not joy giving” so you also have moved to another extreme. No it is not that way, it is in the centre you have to be in the centre, in a complete balancing way in a stabilising way to achieve your self realisation. It is in the central path that the kundalini rises not on the left or the right, that is the path called as Sushummna Nadi, and this is the bridge which is made when you are facing a person who knows who is authorised to give you realisation. This bridge is created within you through what through what I call as Chaitanya Lahari, is the cool vibrations which are described even in the bible, the cool vibrations of the Holy Spirit. So where do these vibrations come in? Are they within you? They are not yet felt in your central nervous system you cannot feel them, the spirit emits them. When you are enlightened the spirit starts emitting those vibrations, and by that you can feel it within yourself. The different centres that are within you you can feel them. Which is (mistaken??) we have shown here the different chakras that are represented on the hands where you feel it. For example, here you see the second chakra is the Swadishthan chakra when do you feel on the left hand Swadishthan chakra? You feel on the left Swadishthan chakra when a person is unauthorised is using unauthorised ways of handling the sites like psychologists, all the psychologists catch on this centre. When do you catch it again is when a person is over hard working that is called as (AtiKarmi). In the book of Gita (AtiKarmi) the one who works very hard for material things and for physical being and doing all kinds of yoga at the same time just to have a nice body or to have a nice house or to have a nice aura of material well being such a person always catches on the left Swadishthan. What is the disease you get out of it? Diabetes is the first that shows you are so imbalanced that the balance has to be created and you get the catch on the left hand side, means you get the diabetes. You can get the kidney trouble you can also get some trouble with your spleen. On the left hand side the other catch would be the left Swadishthan could also give you a kind of a very dry personality. You could be a very dry personality extremely dry, it dries out your warmth, your sweetness, that’s why you find in this world people you see so called intellectuals the way they talk sometimes you feel you are talking to a machine. There is no feeling in that person, you just talk to that person, you feel what is the matter with this person, what has happened to him. Why is he so abnormal. In the same way you can see all these centres shown here one by one these are, can be felt on your fingers once you are realised and you can correct them. You can find out about the truth. For example if you want to find out is there God, you put your hands like this and ask this question in your heart and you will get the cool breeze. As it says here for the first time you enter into the temple of truth. That You can ask a question, you can get an absolute answer. Any one of you who are realised all of them will get the same answer if it’s a small child he will say the same thing. If they are old people they will say the same thing. But I have seen that people who come to Sahaja yoga are very slow to move because we want it set?), we want some sort of a (chamatkaar) we want to see something that is something so fantastic we want sensation. But we have to get something permanent. Something of very permanent nature which is for our being, which has to happen, as evolution has to go forward and this is a step human beings have to cross into, they jolly well have to cross it they have to have it those who will not do will have to take to another force and that force is very dangerous. So it is better that you take to the course of evolution and know your own power and enjoy yourself because not only will you know the truth, the absolute truth, but you will know what we call the all pervading power. You can, from here, you can tell about others what is wrong with them, because you jump into collective consciousness. You start feeling other people. You can be sitting down there and you can see what wrong with this person, what’s wrong with that person. You can even correct that person even only thinking about them you can help. Of course when you get this enlightenment physically you are alright mentally you are alright emotionally you are alright. Now there are many people in Sahaja yoga who have been cured of cancer in London itself a very famous person who has been cured of cancer, cancer can only be cured through Sahaja yoga. I have told this thousands of times. But when they get cancer only they will come to me not before, till they get the cancer they will wait, they will not take it up seriously until they get cancer or some sort of a trouble, if they come to me they will only come when they are sick and about to die. Instead of that if you take to Sahaja yoga seriously you will never get cancer not only that you can cure other people because you are working on the parasympathetic which is the balancing thing, how it is cured how it works out, everything can be learnt without paying a single Pi to me or to anyone who knows about it. It is a very simple thing how these physical ailments can be cleared. By clearing all these centres because these are centres which are underlying forces which control all our other organs which we call the autonomous system, once you can control these centres you can control all of them and you can have a very beautiful health, no problems with your health. But this is just a kind of attraction that it is a chocolate on top of the inside because I have seen mostly people come to Sahaja yoga when they are absolutely sick. But are you seeking only that? Then you will get cured, again you will have some other disease then again you’ll get cured and have another a third disease. The other day I cured somebody of heart attack absolutely he was cured angina was cleared out and everything was clear. But then again after 5 or 6 months he comes to me, Oh Mother I am getting a stomach pain oh I have stomach trouble, I said what did you do about it, he said nothing, I was very happy I went home and I was thankful to you. Now if this life is cleansed it has to be enlightened. Now if it has to be enlightened then it has to give light to others or it has to just rust out. if anybody works on your chakras, cures you, fills you up with all that is promised you have to give light to others. You have to know about it you have to cleanse yourself you have to understand yourself, and not to just get lost and then again arise after 8 months and say Oh Mother this was the problem and I had I had a terrible time and I don’t know I have come back again. It is very common with many people who come to me they say oh Mother that once they are realised we should be alright already well, we should be just like great people. Really? you see we have a marketing attitude towards things. That we have come to Mataji we have obliged her now she has given us realisation and we have obliged her now it is her duty to see that we are fully there at that level of realisation. Now this is not the way because you must have understood we are talking about the Divine Power about God. There is a certain protocol about it. What have you given to him for all this, and that is what fails in people that they do not know how to sustain Sahaja yoga and how to keep to it which is a very simple thing, not much has to be done but you must sustain it. Do not take it for granted and that’s how I find many people come, they get realisation, enjoy themselves, for about 5/6 weeks or 5/6 months, or maybe 5/6 hours againback on the same. Because there are two forces that work on us is as shown here on the left and the right the ego and the superego. At the very beginning the ego and the superego are sucked in but again they come up, especially the ego in this great ego oriented society and the ego comes back, and you see your ego, the colossal one coming on you and then you start mingling with it and you get to it. Even this portion which opens out which is called as Sahasrara the top bone, when it opens out even that gets covered and calcified. So Sahaja yoga is not a trick like that it is not a sensation by any chance. It is a happening within. The second thing that happens to you that when you start giving this Divine Power to others you start gradually deepening into your own being and feeling your source of joy. Life becomes full of joy and happiness, that joy and happiness must be your own, has to be there but it is lost and it has to be found out and once found it has to be sustained has to be kept aloft. Like you get into the boat you are still just feeling dizzy, you are still falling out. Now somebody asked me when do we feel we are steady, when you are steady you are steady. It is that simple some people of course once they got realisation some have even got it on my photograph amongst them just got their realisation from the photograph they are still realised. But some of them I have worked for hours together, months together, and years together, and still they go back to the same level. I am here to work for you because I am your Mother. I am going to work very hard, no doubt I have worked very hard, and I have hoped very hard everyone knows that, what about you. You have to also love yourself and you have to also understand that this should happen to you it should be your experience and that you should sustain within yourself and then you will know your fulfilment that now you have become one with that all pervading power and that is the time when now you can really give it to others. And you will be amazed what wonders you can do. There are some people here who have done wonders then you will know you well know how powerful you are and so far you have not been at all introduced to yourself as in Sanskrit they say Anabhigya - No knowledge of yourself how powerful you are. For that you need not be a Prime Minister or you need not be a great personality on the contrary many people who are simple who are normal who are in the centre, ordinary people who we call it are the best for Sahaja yoga. Those extraordinary people take time because they have lots of complications around them and they are very difficult but for simple people Sahaja yoga works wonders. In London you know we have lots of people here who have got it and around London and outside in England we have lots of people who have got realisation but today is a special day which we are celebrating which was 5th May 1970 that was the day when this last Sahasrara was opened out. That was the day I saw the opening it was definitely tongues of flames with round flames with all colours opening out like living flames very silent and moving and extremely compassionate and you could feel the compassion opening out fully, and I saw the lotus opening like that with many colours and in the centre was the agnya chakra I could see that had brought it up the kundalini upward and that was a sign that now en masse realisation could be started because it has to be en masse. Many people have to get realisation otherwise nobody is going to believe that there is God or that there is All Pervading Power or there is any spirit. Already people have challenged God without knowing what foolish things they are doing. Then you will realise what is this All Pervading Power and how it works and then the whole thing looks like a drama. It is all mithya. It is all falsehood you see, start seeing it. Once you start seeing it then the whole thing becomes a joke and you see the game, you see yourself as a witness of the whole game and you are not involved into it. I think we should now go in for realisation because telling you about kundalini is not so easy. It is a tremendous thing and cannot be explained in one lecture and I have already got say 84 lectures they have got for which they are going to bring out and still I have not been able to cover the whole thing. But we have now been able to compile something, a book called “The Advent” by Gregoire de Kalbermatten who is here now, and we have been able to publish that book in Delhi. And for which we have really at least I should say how many thousands people, I didn’t count, but thousands of people and lots of them got realisation, and this book has been really very much comprehensive, you can get that book and read it but still experiencing is different understanding is different. That book covers a very little part of the whole thing, but still it gives you a good introduction to the subject which can open your eyes to reality. I hope they have some pamphlets here also to give you the first understanding of the thing. It is a serious thing it is not a joke it is not just putting something into your head and finishing off it is a very serious thing and has to be taken up seriously. Though it is very serious, it is fully enjoyable. I cannot remain serious for more than 10 minutes because it is all a joke for me so once you become that it is very very simple and a very very normal thing. But before that you have to take it up with understanding and with respect and regard towards yourself. If you are really seeking you will do it. We have had people very difficult cases who have achieved it and who have done it. So I do not think that it will be difficult for you to get this realisation,and to achieve it, to sustain it, to learn about it and to give it to others. May God bless you all. If you have any questions you can ask me for about 5 or 6 minutes but ask sensible questions just wasting your time and my time is not a good thing, just ask me very sensible questions because as I said it it has to happen to you. It is your own power You have to get it, you don’t have to pay for anything, I don’t need anything from you, nothing you can give me, so if you have to take change your attitude if you are taking from me, not giving me. I am not asking for votes I am not asking for anything. You might not have met a person like me before but think it over that you have to take from me and it is a gift to you so before taking the gift don’t open the mouth of the horse, try to understand what it is and then ask me sensible questions because just wasting your time is not good. I will be very happy to answer your questions if they are sensible and good enough and if they are helping you because there must be some questions which must be asked. Inaudible question is asked….. That is a good question a very good question. You see a very good question, that is a very good question, that is Sahaja Yoga is a religion? Now what is a religion according to you, first of all the question comes back to you, what is a religion when you said if it is a religion then I would like to know what a definition of a religion is from your side. So I will tell you what is a religion and what is Sahaja Yoga? The idea of Our religion is, I mean what we call as religion is that you find certain truths about things. Like there was Christ alright, he lived on this earth, he did this he did that, so some people take it up, they are not realised souls, they have not sensed the divinity, they have not known what is Divine Light. They take up the authority upon themselves, they organise it. Say like this is the religion of Christianity, and the same about Hinduism, some pundits get together, they have some dry discussions among themselves and they are not realised they never read also Adi Shankaracharya and they start a religion. You cannot start a religion, the religion is within you is the religion of evolution. The religion is in your stomach do you know that? It is in your stomach existing now here if you see the yellow thing, the green thing around the green is the void as we call it, or you can call it bhavasagara in the Sanskrit language as they call it. This portion is sustained by religion, every Human being has a sustainer, for example gold has a sustaining power, alright because it is untarnishable, we can say that it has a sustaining power of gold. Correct? In the same way every human being has got a sustaining power as a human being. If he does not have this then he falls in his dharma in his religion. Whatever is false, falsely made is not a religion. That is why people are turning away from religion. Religion exists in your stomach but you can deny it, you can defy it. You can say that I don’t believe it. You can have cancer of the stomach because of that you may have some disease because of that. Fanaticism is not religion. Fanaticism is a disease. I am not talking of disease I am talking of something that is within you. So if you think evolution is a religion then I would say that Sahaja Yoga is a religion. If your evolution if you call it is a religion then Sahaja yoga is a religion but is a religion which takes you beyond your sustainance beyond your religion your dharmatit, beyond your dharma. We have amongst ourselves Hindus, Muslims, Christians all that, you know that. All these people can feel it within themselves as a religion in their stomachs, they can feel it. They can find out where is a religion because I say the religion in the stomach is looked after by the deities of Primordial Master who we call as Dattatreya in the Sanskrit language. I don’t mean in Hinduism. It doesn’t mean Hinduism at all but it is called as Dattatreya in the Sanskrit language, in English it’s Primordial Master. He is the same who incarnated on this earth as Moses as Abraham, has incarnated as Muhammed Sahib as Raja Janaka, as Nanaka, and also as Shirdi Sai Nath. Can you believe that Muhammed Sahib is the same as our Nanak. Now in the religion of these people the Muslims so called and the so called Sikhs are fighting amongst themselves, can you believe that Mahavira and Buddha were the same as Hassan and Hussain which we can prove it to you on vibrations and on curing people they were the same people reincarnated just to improve on themselves because people believe into something which they were not so they were incarnated just to show this was wrong, no no I never said it this is the truth. In the story of Nanaka it was said that once he was sleeping so they said. “You are preaching that there should be unity between Hindus and Muslims and you are putting your feet towards Mecca,” he said really? Then he turned to the other side, he said Mecca has moved. He was the religion but not his followers. They drink, he allowed them to drink did he? When Muhammed Sahib said don’t drink that means they make a fanaticism out of all that. Fanaticism is not religion you must understand the difference between the two, the living religion is within us when you get that light inside. You cannot drink. I never drink. I never tell people don’t drink before realisation. After that you just don’t drink you just give up, because you start feeling yourself the beauty within yourself. When you are bored only you will smoke and drink. When you are enjoying yourself why would you drink. So your religion automatically awakens and you just don’t have to bother. Nobody has to tell you that you will get cancer don’t smoke. 99% just give up smoking without any difficulty and that’s how they save money. People have given up drugs. Horrible things they have given up You won’t believe If I tell you that there some of them sitting here came to me in dead condition, absolutely in dead condition, they gave it up when they found it. So this is a religion that is within you which is enlightened through kundalini and then it works out. But it is an absolute religion in the sense that you all feel the same thing. If you feel one finger the other is also going to feel the same thing. There is no argument about it, there is no argument, everyone will say I am feeling this Mother so that person is suffering from this trouble or this trouble whatever it is. Even if you take 10 children if they are realised souls if you tie their eyes they will say the same thing and they will all clear out there everyone of them, whether they are Muslims, Hindus, Christians doesn’t matter. The other day I had an Arab lady who came to me whom I have cured who is realised she brought another Egyptian to me, he had pain actually on the left side centre because the left side is affected but then after the left side was cured you see they all started feeling pain here and pain here, so I said do you get pain here and he said how do you know that’s the reason I am here to you, I said do you get pain here he said yes throughout, we cured him also. A little bit you get pain, just not much just feeling just you start suggesting the pain is here and here and here and with your hands you can move it and you can take it out. Many mad people have been cured by coming to Sahaja Yoga because when the enlightenment comes when the balance comes in when there is light within you the darkness goes away. The darkness of the subconscious and of the supra conscious disappears and you become an enlightened person. If enlightenment is a religion then I would say Sahaja Yoga is. There is nothing discarded of all the religions, nothing is discarded but it is enlightened and brought forth and told to you that this is. What was Buddha, do you know who was Buddha how he was brought, do you know who was Mahavira, now those people who worship Mahavira if they are fanatics they are really if you go to see them really you will go mad with them you will not understand what’s the matter, what sort of an interpretation is this of Mahavira, or of Buddha or of Rama or of Krishna or of Christ and when you start feeling these fanatic people in the name of religion oh God any religion get out of it. It is correct I must say you young people have seen to it, but still don’t go away from God. You see always you have seen in this world everything that is beautiful is covered with something ugly because it is a market, you want to sell something in the market, religion you cannot sell in the market. They are selling religion. If you read any one of these people there see £50,000,000 for this £30,000,000 for this for raising this organisation for doing this. Is such a headache when I see these things the other day I was seeing that picture on the TV of the world that they were organising so much money and that money, is that God is that religion so differentiate between the real religion and the unreal one. Fanaticism is not the way to God, it is never the way. It is one side of God but you can go to the other side of denying of God, denying of religion is another side, both are extreme, you have to be in the centre. Again I say that you have to be in the centre. You just wait and see and let it happen to you, alright? It was a very good question. Beautiful. Are there any other questions? Unheard question is asked The extreme of sanyasi? Alright perfectly alright. You see one should not think that becoming that is very important. It’s alright if you don’t want to do it it’s alright, like vegetarianism also is another fad you see there are Jains in India who are vegetarians to this limit that they want to be kind to the bugs so they get the bugs of all the village they collect it and keep one pundit and put him in the hut and put all the bugs to eat that ear or drink the blood of that pundit, or what we call as a priest and that is how they think they are being very kind to bugs. But what are we going to do with the bugs here you tell me. You see one pundit is better than thousands of these bugs, how if the bugs come here how am I to give them realisation? This is what it is you see if by temperament you do not like sex life it is perfectly alright but by becoming a nun if you will find God is a wrong idea this is what I am trying to say. If by temperament you don’t like to eat flesh and things it is perfectly alright, but if you think that by becoming vegetarian you are going to achieve God is wrong, not the extreme of anything. Not extreme of anything. Any kind of fanaticism you see this is the reason why today Gods name is erased because of fanatic ideas, we have to understand that if we have to allow God to work within us we have to be sensible. We have to be wise. Now see this temple is sold out to Bharti Vidya Bhavan what would you say to that? Why? why has church been allowed to Bharti vidya Bhavan. I don’t say there is anything wrong with Bharati Vidya Bhavan but a church has been sold to Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan a sign of what. People are neglecting religion, so called, alright? So we have to be sensible and wise about it because we can see the future now. we can see for ourselves what is going to happen to these younger people who are thinking about it. They should also not be allowed to go to another extreme. 26% people in this country believe in God can you imagine what do they think of themselves? 26% people only believe in God. Out of them 6% must be others not British and what do the British think about themselves that they don’t have faith in God, whom do they have faith in I cannot understand. So it has gone to that limit, now at least a weight on only the poor countries where there is no food nothing, so you supply food to them. Now supplying food is not Gods work at all, looking after the poor is not Gods work who has told you that it is Gods work? Even Christ has said that poor will be with you always but I am with you for a short time. If you look after the divinity and our Divine life and not all these poor people let other people do it, let the government do it. Why are you doing the governments job to be philanthropic? That’s not your job looking after the poor, you will see they are like labours unions there supplying the poor food, supplying what is the need? Thats not the way. Understand that when you have to do for anyone it is just you do it. You just don’t think you are doing anything great you just do it because its just you feel happy about it. You are just doing it for your own happiness there is nothing like Upkaar and all that. You just do it there is nothing so great to feel proud of it that you have done so much good work and so much good work. It’s all nonsense this is just ego pampering. What can you do for others, what can you give? Dead things like I give a television set to someone or a chair to someone, all dead, is it going to give joy to anyone? That is not joy giving all these great religions which were formed and all these organisations should have given some joy to people, they have not they have failed completely because their attention was never in the seeking in the finding out of the truth, they were just organising it. Do you understand my point? There are many ways in which we can follow after getting realisation there are. ??? There many ways in which you can watch those thoughts. If you watch you see because you are a realised soul yourself, you know, then your attention is enlightened. Just put your attention and the whole thing will subside. It is like a light, if you put light to anything that is darkness the thing will disappear. It will work out, just put your attention. From where do these ideas come, from your ego or from your superego, just find out because you know all about it what is the ego and the superego is, what sort of ideas are coming, you can just watch it and you can get rid of that, it is not difficult. You can remain into thoughtless awareness. There are so many ways we have by which you develop yourself and grow. Questions? Unheard question Yes, no doubt he said he was a prophet he was the Son of God. What is Holy Trinity? Holy Trinity is God the Father, God the Mother, and God the Son. Ask direct questions. Just now if you ask direct questions how am I to answer them? That I will tell you later alright? Alright? So no doubt you have to find out also certain things, find out things about me, things about Sahaja Yoga because I am very cautious, and very careful because I know the ego of Human Beings, if you say one word they just jump on it so I am very careful but to you I am going to tell because you are realised. But first of all get your realisation before your ego starts jumping about alright? Just see it, it’s just there it keeps giving you ideas just look at that, tell him to wait for a while till you get your realisation. Through your rationality you are not going to go there. I have told you there is an instrument which has to trigger it. It is effortless not by thinking you are going to reach there, it is going to happen to you it is a happening, so just wait and see, don’t allow your mind to take over you because if your mind comes in between it will try to drag you behind. What has your mind done so far, nothing, why depend on your mind? Unheard question What is? Conscience? Conscience, conscience is the thing that gives you the religion, is the balancing force, conscience is the one that is sustainance within you, that’s the one that is all the time giving you balance that is within you as I said so is there is religion within you, the conscience is there but we are very good at killing it every moment. Unheard question Not aloud, alright, we will do it later, alright yes? Unheard question This kundalini is placed at the triangular bone, you may not even feel the awakening of it. If you are a smooth instrument it will just shoot off. It will not be felt but what you will feel is absolute calm and a thoughtless awareness as they call it is the first stage where in Sanskrit language it is called as Nirvichaar Samadhi, nirvichaar samadhi that is the first stage, Samadhi means enlightened consciousness, first the consciousness is enlightened, at the stage where you are thoughtless, the second stage where you rise into is doubtless awareness is called as Nirvikalpa Samadhi where there is no doubt left. Between this and that you are faced with doubts all kinds of nonsensical doubts but only remember if you have felt the vibrations if you have felt the cool breeze there is something about it. Let us go forward with it, let us go higher with it and work it out so it starts today. Please put your hands just like this towards me just like this, with your feet on the ground straight. Just like this. Think like I know what you are thinking some of you are thinking is this hypnosis? See if I want to gain something out of you why would I hypnotise, am I mad? To hypnotise a person and carry on on your head? I am not to gain anything from you alright? This is the first thing I do not want anything neither can you give me anything. Now you are taking something from me, so there is no question of hypnosis. I have no interest, you have to gain something. Just put your hands just as if you are asking for something and then close your eyes. You must have respect and regard for yourself that you are that light and you are going to get it and you are to be enlightened. You are not ordinary people you are not animals you are Human Beings and you are great and you are going to get it, you are not going to feel small about it. If you are going to get it if you do not get it doesn’t matter it is going to work out. You can close your eyes if you can close them properly, some of you may not be able to close because eyelids may just flutter out although such people should open their eyes. If your hands are shaking also please open your hands . If there is no shaking if there is a regular flow and for which you shouldn’t be worried and do not start thinking about it. Just allow your mind to rest a little while. (Shri Mataji is Blowing into microphone) Put your hands like this, all of you. First thing you feel absolute blankness in your head you watch your thought and you find there is no thought coming to you then you start feeling a cool breeze, some people might feel a tingling in the hands or some sort of a burning, then just throw it away. But if it is flowing a cool breeze just allow it to pass. All those who are feeling a cool breeze in the hands please raise your hands, all those who are feeling it. Raise them higher is it alright can you feel it. Then put up your hands all of you all of you whether Sahaja Yogis or not please put up your hands, Good. Now again raise your hands All those who are feeling the cool breeze in their hands raise them higher, both the hands, raise them higher more. They have got it. There, Good. Now take down your hands and those who have come for the first time and are not feeling anything in the hands please raise your hands. Good yes, so those who are not feeling if they could come here we would work on them.

1979-05-07 Sahaja Yoga and Christianity – They Are All Seeking Shri Mataji starts to talk, The first sentence is inaudible. Music is a very good instrument for the spirit to manifest itself. Specially Veena is one of the Adi tantras (UNCLEAR) as you call them, or you can say the musical instrument. It is a very important instrument for inciting the Kundalini also. As he is a realised soul it will definitely act on people whenever he plays. I am sure it is going to give him a great success, it may not be to many people it will appeal but it will definitely go to people who are seeking of a deep down in themselves, asking for the answers of many absolute questions. Seeking is a fashion today in the West and also it is very genuine among men. What are we seeking in life, what do we expect to seek? One thing we know that we are not satisfied with whatever things we have, we are not satisfied with our material being, neither with our emotional being, neither with our mental being. Always the joy is followed by unhappiness, that means that there is something imperfect within us, something lacking very much. If that was not so we would have been happy like the birds like the flowers, like the animals. This lacking is felt only in this form which we call as the Human Being, only in the Human Being one feels that there is something that is missing in life because in the evolutionary path as you know human beings are the highest and they have reached a stage where they are aware of this lacking, this imperfection within ourselves. This is I think also is the blessing of the modern times that we are aware of it much more today than we were ever, some are really aware of it, they are genuinely aware of it, and they are really seeking something. Others take to fashion, they may not be that deep, they may not be that massive, but if I have to tell you that there is a life which is not known to us which is beyond us, it is not easy for a thinking man to believe in it because we see only our body, we can see the working of our minds but we cannot see other things, we cannot feel them through our senses, and it is very difficult for a modern person to believe into something that is beyond. But this is not only one dimension, that we have another life, another force, another source but I would say there are at least 4 dimensions in which we live unknown to those realms which are around us.S ometimes we get a glimpse of that sometimes, but we are not stationed there, neither we are there to understand. Here are we have shown in the diagram a Human Being I hope you all can see, can you, you all can come this way, there is no need to be in that way, could all be this way it’s better, but cos with new people will come they can go there (its better to be here ?), here, that’s better, now can you all see from there, can you all sit down, can you see from there? Oh you can come round. Here is the human being, as you are a human being. Now whatever I have to tell you about this you need not believe me at all. There is no blind faith needed on the contrary blind faith goes against reality, but keep yourself open and see for yourself if it works. You need not have any preconceived ideas about it also, because you will be able to see later on that whatever I say can happen to you all. Now this is a Human Being as I have shown here, and he has got the left, right, and the lower and the top of his head, 4 sides. The left side of the human being contains all the subconscious, all that is dead in him in all his lives, and through his left side he is connected to the collective consciousness, collective subconsciousness that is all that is dead. All that has happened all that is ( bhawa? ) On the right hand side there is another area which is called as the supra conscious. Left hand side is all the past, right hand side is all the future about which we conceive of, about which we think of by our mental activity we can conceive of all the future we can achieve, for example the idea of going to the moon existed in this part. We have achieved it by movement towards the right and also all that is dead in the name of future like a person who always plans about the future is also on the right hand side in the collective supra conscious. The right hand area is the supraconscious and beyond that is the collective supra conscious. This area is also unknown to us. Left hand side area is also unknown to us. But whatever is unknown need not be divine and it need not be a conveyance for your realisation. As you see down below is the area where what we call the hell exists. It exists around us but on top of the head there exists an area of Super consciousness that is the area of Divine Power. You have heard in the books that there is all pervading Divine Power, the Holy Ghost, the Adi Shakti which encompasses the whole universe, the whole creation even the small atoms and molecules, it is pulsating because of this all pervading power of Divine Power. In all the scriptures it has been described but how are we to believe it. Is there really such a power existing? Is there something beyond or it is only the material life that we live into, that we are every day worried about what to get for food what to wear, how to go about social life, political life, economic life or is there any other power which is really manifesting, acting, controlling, co-ordinating and also all the time loving you. If there is so has anybody felt it has anybody known it. This is the power you are really seeking, not the power of the left hand or the right hand nor the power of hell which is a bottomless pit. You are seeking the power that is all pervading is the power of Gods love. Love is the most powerful thing, but which love is the dynamic love of God. Is there God even, one can ask a question like that, is there God, are we to believe that there is God. How are we to believe that there is God, people have believed into God without knowing him, without feeling him, without any experience. Why they have been doing it because there has been a sustaining force. Some sort of sustaining force has been working on them, which has kept them alive. The fact that there is some power who we can call as Divine Power. But nobody has so far been able to give an en masse understanding or feeling of it. Very few who talked about it, who felt it, were never accepted by common people, they were rejected, stoned , crucified, killed, poisoned. It is said that the whole world, the whole universe that you see is just a reflection on the mirror of that all pervading power, when you see the reflection you cannot see the mirror, you have to become the mirror but how? then we come to one question, why did Human Being become a Human Being from amoeba stage and why did he become that? What is the purpose of making him a Human Being of this shape? We should wonder about it, why with two limbs like that, two legs like that in an erect position. It is a fundamental question which any scientist should look into. What is the reason for creating in all these thousands of years a Human Being? It is not just to run a puppet show of politics or economics it has no meaning it is just a game going on, you can see it clearly it’s a game. Is it only to play these games we were made into Human Beings, if so why are we not happy about it, why are we not satisfied, why do we not feel our fulfilment. The reason is our fulfilment is not this, is something very different, unless and until we have that fulfilment we are not going to feel satisfied with ourselves, and that fulfilment is to feel that Superconsciousness which is all pervading. So we can also conclude that if we have to become that, if we have to become that all pervading power or if we have to be connected to that all pervading power what are we going to gain out of it. First of all you do not know any truths, you do not know if there is God, it is all relative. If there is God there is 37 truths, people say, there are 38 truths, there are 65 truths, is there any absolute truth? A simple question like God, is there God, is a fundamental question. If you ask this question to a computer you might get any number of answers as many number of computers there are. Those people who are feeding the computers will give you a different answer, but if there is something else by which we can know the absolute. We have become a Human Being without doing anything about it. We were just amoeba anyway and we have become a Human Being, we have done nothing about it. What are we going to do to become that by which you are going to know this super consciousness within you. You cannot do anything about it. It is a spontaneous process it is a living process within you which works spontaneously and that’s why we call it Sahaja Sah means with ja means born, it is born with you, what is born with you is the light to unite with that power. It is born with you, so we call it as Sahaja Yoga, it is the Maha Yoga they call it because this is what one has to achieve. All the rest of the nonsensical things are useless. Supposing you start flying on a flying saucer what’s the use? Supposing somebody gives you 100 diamonds, what’s the use? Supposing you get into a trance and start talking big what’s the use? Supposing by saying some mantras you become a speedy person and you start doing too much of work and cannot rest like a mad possessed person, what’s the use? So what do you have to become is yourself, which you are not yet yourself. Because you do not know what is within you you cannot feel yourself, because you cannot feel yourself we can say that there is no awareness about yourself. At the most you can see some pain here or a pain there because you cannot feel yourself you cannot feel others. Now what is the mechanism that God has built within us? How are we built, we have to find out. In our being God resides as a reflection in our heart as spirit as Atma. How are we to know there is Atma is a simple thing like I would say I am not this church, I am not this life, because I can see I am not this lamp, because I can see I am not this mind, because I know how it works, I am not this body because I can see there is something else that is seeing it, you go on negating one by one you reach a place where there is one I which knows what is that I, you have to reach that point. From the point of science we have to know there are many things absolutely undiscovered so far. If there are doctors here they will know we have a system called as autonomous nervous system, yes, it works on itself, what is this auto in Sanskrit, we can call it (Swayamchaalit) what is this Swayam what is this self driven self motivated system you have just given it a name, you have not explained anything by saying it is autonomous but who is this auto, who is this Atma, who does this work? If you can understand that there is something which knows everything about us and around us that is the one, is the spirit. You say that all the time “I know” now which part of you knows? But how to know the self? Is there any mechanism within us That God has placed to know the self by which we know this all pervading power of super conscious, there is a beautiful mechanism within us placed and that mechanism is called in the Sanskrit language as Kundalini because in India people have meditated, they were not so much challenged by the nature as they are challenged in other countries. It is a very warm country people can live with minimum. It was not necessary for them to indulge so much in the protection of their body securing food or ordinary life, they could live so their attention was turned towards the questions that I just now said, that why are we here as Human Beings and when they started searching it in their meditation they discovered the great truth about this great instrument called as Kundalini. Of course in the bible also there is a mention of Kundalini, because it is said that I will appear before you like tongues of flames. Tongues of flames, how do we explain tongues of flames. Where are the tongues of flames within us, have you seen any tongues of flames within us, have you seen them outside somewhere, that God is going to appear before us as tongues of flames? That is a description of the Kundalini of the chakras of the centres which lies within us in this way as it is shown over here. You may say you are not seeing it. Alright, for that you have to have a different personality, a higher personality where you become that all pervading power when you get in contact with that Divine Power. Then only you start feeling those centres within you on your fingers you can feel them very clearly, you can feel all these centres that are within you and also the centres in other people. Now there are at least 50% people who have felt it among you. Minimum of 50% people who know about it and at least there are 25% who have mastered this. So why not the rest of them all of them should get it. But for that keep a little open mind and I will explain to you what is the Kundalini within us. I am talking of the subtler things, much subtler than we think of. Can you say from where does our idea of innocence come. Do we ever realise that there is definitely this idea prevalent, we accept the word innocence. It is a very subtle thing innocence is from where does it come to us, innocence where does it lie within us? Can any psychologist tell me from where does the innocence come and how it is destroyed and how you can regain it back? All these centres here these 7 centres that lie within us represent such subtle things like innocence. The first centre which lies below the Kundalini, the Kundalini which is the main force, residual force which brings forth this experience of Self Realisation, the one that connects you with the mains like you can say this is connected with the mains. Unless and until it is connected What do we talk of God, what do we talk of the all pervading power, it all has no meaning. It is just a joke going on if it is not connected if I speak on this will you hear me? In the same way when you are not connected with God through your self realisation all talk of God could be alright or could be horrid. You may be worshipping a devil in the name of God. How will you know that a person is Divine? This Kundalini which is above the first centre which is in three and a half coils is an energy that rests in the triangular bone in every Human Being in a dormant stage just waiting for that moment when somebody who is authorised can raise it and give you that power. This is, I am talking about your own power, and not my power, it is your own power which must manifest. If you go to a Guru if he just polishes off your money, what do you understand of it, he is just befooling you. If he cannot give you your own power then his is not a Guru. It is your own power which must manifest and you should feel this all pervading power, you must experience it, you must experiment it and should be able to manoeuvre it. Then only one can say you are self realised not only that but you should be able to feel your own chakras and you should be able to feel the chakras of others, and you should be able to give realisation to others. All this can be done once you are self realised without that nothing can work out. My talk is a talk it has no meaning unless and until it has worked out the miracle of Kundalini awakening. Now, a lot has been said against the Kundalini awakening part. People are frightened, there are books and books which fills people with awe to read about Kundalini, saying what, whatever it is it is a dangerous path of kundalini it is going to torture us and all that. I can assure you that in India, abroad, and everywhere thousands of people must have come to Sahaja Yoga, not a single person has suffered, on the contrary at least out of them 70% people have achieved Self Realisation. Because she is your Mother. She is your Divine Mother. If your Mother has so much of compassion for you, love for you she is the source of all that love and she is not going to trouble you on the contrary she is so kind. She is just waiting for the moment for it to happen she is not going to trouble you and torture you. Then how is it these people have felt such horrible experiences you may ask me, They are not authorised people, they do not know how to do it, they have no authority to awaken the Kundalini. Supposing you do not know how to handle a mechanism electrical mechanism when you put your hand into it you will burn your hand, does that mean that electricity gives you burning. If you are not a person who is entitled to do a thing such a person has to be definitely a holy person. If he is not a Holy person he has no business to raise the Kundalini. A person who leads a very sinful life has nothing to do with Kundalini. One must know that a cynic can never take you to God. But a person who is Holy and the one who is realised can definitely raise your Kundalini and the Kundalini only will rise because of him and not because of any ordering or any manoeuvring or any doing about it. All these things are absolutely useless because Kundalini is the consciousness which understands, which thinks, which loves and it obeys only the one who has the power to love as much as she does. All these big big books I have read I was amazed how these people without any knowledge about Kundalini without any understanding about it have written these big books just to make some money. Have they not to answer to God for what they have done? So have no fear about Kundalini she is your Mother, the kindest of all, full of love, and she forgives you all that you have done, she is the storehouse of all the compassion that you could think of and she is not going to burn you or trouble you or give you any trouble. But if you have a problem she will attend to it. For example if someone is suffering from liver trouble you can see with your naked eye the Kundalini pulsating coming to the liver and supplying it. Here there are, as I have told you 50% people who have seen the pulsation of the kundalini at the triangular bone, and there are thousands who have seen it with naked eye, you can see it pulsating in the triangular bone. Some of these people who have written such big books on the kundalini have said that the kundalini resides in the stomach, I mean something so absurd they have written, something so wrong so false and that is why you don’t be afraid of this word kundalini. This kundalini is the one kept in a sleeping condition they say for this last culmination of your evolution as a human being to become connected with that subtle force and this kundalini when it rises and passes through the various chakras it enlightens them one by one. All these chakras are placed within us during the different evolutionary periods. The first one which is the Ganesha Chakra as they call it, is the mooladhara chakra is the centre of mooladhara. But is not the mooladhara or the Kula Kunda as they call it, is mooladhara chakra is the one that sustains the mooladhara. Now what is the word meaning mooladhara, means the support of the root. What is the support of the root? The support of the root is the ground is the earth is the matter and that’s why this represents the matter within us. Matter is innocent, matter has got innocence and you get your innocence from this chakra. Shri Ganesha was made out of the, they say, it is a beautiful poetic way of saying it, out of the mud that was covering the Mother Parvati or you can say the Gauri at that time. Because she was not married in the sense that she was a virgin just finished her marriage and she was to meet her husband and this virgin wanted to have a bath before meeting her husband, so she cleanses her hands properly and makes this deity of Shri Ganesha which is bestowed on this centre. If you really develop your proper insight through meditation you can see Shri Ganesha settled down there very clearly. Shri Ganesha is the embodiment of innocence and that’s why he is a child, that’s why his head is that of an elephant, because an elephant being an animal doesn’t grow into ego and superego like human beings do. Thats why he is a child. He is the embodiment of childhood and he incarnated on this earth once which is described in Devi Bhagwhat if you read as Mahavishnu. He has incarnated as Mahavishnu and this was nobody else but Lord Jesus Christ. Even he was born in a way the same way as Ganesha was born without the father, to a virgin. If I am saying something untrue you can find out later by verifying it through a method which I will explain to you a little later, this is a very very important centre for all of us, because unless and until the deity settled on this chakra permits the kundalini will not rise. If your innocence is in danger the kundalini will never rise and even if it rises for a little while out of its excitement it will again be sucked back. Though this chakra is placed below the kundalini which is a very important point. Which people do not know, it is below the kundalini and not above the kundalini so it is not necessary to pierce this kundalini pierce this chakra through the kundalini it is not necessary. What is necessary is to know the importance of this centre and allow the kundalini to rise and it passes through other 6 chakras and that is why is called as ShatChakraBheda? And that means there are 6 chakras which it crosses. Now the lower chakra which is the first one Mooladhara chakra I will describe it in more details because dont have too much time because you must be anxiously waiting for the experience. It is very important and is controlling or manifesting the pelvic plexus outside. Now we scientists know about the pelvic plexus being placed there. This pelvic plexus also has got 4 sub plexuses in the same way this centre has also got 4 petals. Now you know what is a pelvic plexus is and what it does. It looks after the sex, the excretion of the urine and stool. At this place Ganesha was placed because he is like a lotus in the mud and that is why it is important that we must understand about our sex life, and we must know that we have to be correct in our ideas about sex life. Those people who say that we can excite kundalini through sex are immoral people. They are sinful people they are teaching you how to commit sin. This is your Mother so why is she sitting down there and if you want to put your sex onto your Mother, what do you call it? I was shocked, I am so shocked that there is a regular organisation going on in this London which is teaching you how to commit sin, and there are 1000s and 1000s of people following that sort of an organisation. I think it is a very wrong thing and absolutely condemnable blasphemy apart from that it is punishable, and if they have any fear of the divine laws they should give up all these ideas and take to a proper life. It doesn’t mean any kind of fanaticism, it means that you should lead a good married life. It doesn’t mean that you should take to sanyasa, sanyasa is against Sahaja, it is absolutely against Sahaja. If someone is a sanyasi know that there is some sort of a danger in this man. Sanyasa is another show, what is there to show that you are a sanyasi, if you have sanyasa within you, you are there you are a sanyasi. Why to put a cloth or a dress to show that you are a sanyasi? All these extreme behaviours of life are not needed. To achieve that state you have to stabilise yourself- still, stabilise, do not go to extremes. There is no need to go to extremes. It is in the central path you have to be not to go to one extreme or to another extreme. Actually when you go too much to one extreme you will definitely go to the other extreme. It happens like that like a pendulum you move from one to another, for example you know in this country people were very materialistic, they thought that matter was very important they were building up doing this doing that. Now when it is over you young people have discovered that “Oh God what is all this, this is not joy giving” so you also have moved to another extreme. No it is not that way, it is in the centre you have to be in the centre, in a complete balancing way in a stabilising way to achieve your self realisation. It is in the central path that the kundalini rises not on the left or the right, that is the path called as Sushummna Nadi, and this is the bridge which is made when you are facing a person who knows who is authorised to give you realisation. This bridge is created within you through what through what I call as Chaitanya Lahari, is the cool vibrations which are described even in the bible, the cool vibrations of the Holy Spirit. So where do these vibrations come in? Are they within you? They are not yet felt in your central nervous system you cannot feel them, the spirit emits them. When you are enlightened the spirit starts emitting those vibrations, and by that you can feel it within yourself. The different centres that are within you you can feel them. Which is (mistaken??) we have shown here the different chakras that are represented on the hands where you feel it. For example, here you see the second chakra is the Swadishthan chakra when do you feel on the left hand Swadishthan chakra? You feel on the left Swadishthan chakra when a person is unauthorised is using unauthorised ways of handling the sites like psychologists, all the psychologists catch on this centre. When do you catch it again is when a person is over hard working that is called as (AtiKarmi). In the book of Gita (AtiKarmi) the one who works very hard for material things and for physical being and doing all kinds of yoga at the same time just to have a nice body or to have a nice house or to have a nice aura of material well being such a person always catches on the left Swadishthan. What is the disease you get out of it? Diabetes is the first that shows you are so imbalanced that the balance has to be created and you get the catch on the left hand side, means you get the diabetes. You can get the kidney trouble you can also get some trouble with your spleen. On the left hand side the other catch would be the left Swadishthan could also give you a kind of a very dry personality. You could be a very dry personality extremely dry, it dries out your warmth, your sweetness, that’s why you find in this world people you see so called intellectuals the way they talk sometimes you feel you are talking to a machine. There is no feeling in that person, you just talk to that person, you feel what is the matter with this person, what has happened to him. Why is he so abnormal. In the same way you can see all these centres shown here one by one these are, can be felt on your fingers once you are realised and you can correct them. You can find out about the truth. For example if you want to find out is there God, you put your hands like this and ask this question in your heart and you will get the cool breeze. As it says here for the first time you enter into the temple of truth. That You can ask a question, you can get an absolute answer. Any one of you who are realised all of them will get the same answer if it’s a small child he will say the same thing. If they are old people they will say the same thing. But I have seen that people who come to Sahaja yoga are very slow to move because we want it set?), we want some sort of a (chamatkaar) we want to see something that is something so fantastic we want sensation. But we have to get something permanent. Something of very permanent nature which is for our being, which has to happen, as evolution has to go forward and this is a step human beings have to cross into, they jolly well have to cross it they have to have it those who will not do will have to take to another force and that force is very dangerous. So it is better that you take to the course of evolution and know your own power and enjoy yourself because not only will you know the truth, the absolute truth, but you will know what we call the all pervading power. You can, from here, you can tell about others what is wrong with them, because you jump into collective consciousness. You start feeling other people. You can be sitting down there and you can see what wrong with this person, what’s wrong with that person. You can even correct that person even only thinking about them you can help. Of course when you get this enlightenment physically you are alright mentally you are alright emotionally you are alright. Now there are many people in Sahaja yoga who have been cured of cancer in London itself a very famous person who has been cured of cancer, cancer can only be cured through Sahaja yoga. I have told this thousands of times. But when they get cancer only they will come to me not before, till they get the cancer they will wait, they will not take it up seriously until they get cancer or some sort of a trouble, if they come to me they will only come when they are sick and about to die. Instead of that if you take to Sahaja yoga seriously you will never get cancer not only that you can cure other people because you are working on the parasympathetic which is the balancing thing, how it is cured how it works out, everything can be learnt without paying a single Pi to me or to anyone who knows about it. It is a very simple thing how these physical ailments can be cleared. By clearing all these centres because these are centres which are underlying forces which control all our other organs which we call the autonomous system, once you can control these centres you can control all of them and you can have a very beautiful health, no problems with your health. But this is just a kind of attraction that it is a chocolate on top of the inside because I have seen mostly people come to Sahaja yoga when they are absolutely sick. But are you seeking only that? Then you will get cured, again you will have some other disease then again you’ll get cured and have another a third disease. The other day I cured somebody of heart attack absolutely he was cured angina was cleared out and everything was clear. But then again after 5 or 6 months he comes to me, Oh Mother I am getting a stomach pain oh I have stomach trouble, I said what did you do about it, he said nothing, I was very happy I went home and I was thankful to you. Now if this life is cleansed it has to be enlightened. Now if it has to be enlightened then it has to give light to others or it has to just rust out. if anybody works on your chakras, cures you, fills you up with all that is promised you have to give light to others. You have to know about it you have to cleanse yourself you have to understand yourself, and not to just get lost and then again arise after 8 months and say Oh Mother this was the problem and I had I had a terrible time and I don’t know I have come back again. It is very common with many people who come to me they say oh Mother that once they are realised we should be alright already well, we should be just like great people. Really? you see we have a marketing attitude towards things. That we have come to Mataji we have obliged her now she has given us realisation and we have obliged her now it is her duty to see that we are fully there at that level of realisation. Now this is not the way because you must have understood we are talking about the Divine Power about God. There is a certain protocol about it. What have you given to him for all this, and that is what fails in people that they do not know how to sustain Sahaja yoga and how to keep to it which is a very simple thing, not much has to be done but you must sustain it. Do not take it for granted and that’s how I find many people come, they get realisation, enjoy themselves, for about 5/6 weeks or 5/6 months, or maybe 5/6 hours againback on the same. Because there are two forces that work on us is as shown here on the left and the right the ego and the superego. At the very beginning the ego and the superego are sucked in but again they come up, especially the ego in this great ego oriented society and the ego comes back, and you see your ego, the colossal one coming on you and then you start mingling with it and you get to it. Even this portion which opens out which is called as Sahasrara the top bone, when it opens out even that gets covered and calcified. So Sahaja yoga is not a trick like that it is not a sensation by any chance. It is a happening within. The second thing that happens to you that when you start giving this Divine Power to others you start gradually deepening into your own being and feeling your source of joy. Life becomes full of joy and happiness, that joy and happiness must be your own, has to be there but it is lost and it has to be found out and once found it has to be sustained has to be kept aloft. Like you get into the boat you are still just feeling dizzy, you are still falling out. Now somebody asked me when do we feel we are steady, when you are steady you are steady. It is that simple some people of course once they got realisation some have even got it on my photograph amongst them just got their realisation from the photograph they are still realised. But some of them I have worked for hours together, months together, and years together, and still they go back to the same level. I am here to work for you because I am your Mother. I am going to work very hard, no doubt I have worked very hard, and I have hoped very hard everyone knows that, what about you. You have to also love yourself and you have to also understand that this should happen to you it should be your experience and that you should sustain within yourself and then you will know your fulfilment that now you have become one with that all pervading power and that is the time when now you can really give it to others. And you will be amazed what wonders you can do. There are some people here who have done wonders then you will know you well know how powerful you are and so far you have not been at all introduced to yourself as in Sanskrit they say Anabhigya - No knowledge of yourself how powerful you are. For that you need not be a Prime Minister or you need not be a great personality on the contrary many people who are simple who are normal who are in the centre, ordinary people who we call it are the best for Sahaja yoga. Those extraordinary people take time because they have lots of complications around them and they are very difficult but for simple people Sahaja yoga works wonders. In London you know we have lots of people here who have got it and around London and outside in England we have lots of people who have got realisation but today is a special day which we are celebrating which was 5th May 1970 that was the day when this last Sahasrara was opened out. That was the day I saw the opening it was definitely tongues of flames with round flames with all colours opening out like living flames very silent and moving and extremely compassionate and you could feel the compassion opening out fully, and I saw the lotus opening like that with many colours and in the centre was the agnya chakra I could see that had brought it up the kundalini upward and that was a sign that now en masse realisation could be started because it has to be en masse. Many people have to get realisation otherwise nobody is going to believe that there is God or that there is All Pervading Power or there is any spirit. Already people have challenged God without knowing what foolish things they are doing. Then you will realise what is this All Pervading Power and how it works and then the whole thing looks like a drama. It is all mithya. It is all falsehood you see, start seeing it. Once you start seeing it then the whole thing becomes a joke and you see the game, you see yourself as a witness of the whole game and you are not involved into it. I think we should now go in for realisation because telling you about kundalini is not so easy. It is a tremendous thing and cannot be explained in one lecture and I have already got say 84 lectures they have got for which they are going to bring out and still I have not been able to cover the whole thing. But we have now been able to compile something, a book called “The Advent” by Gregoire de Kalbermatten who is here now, and we have been able to publish that book in Delhi. And for which we have really at least I should say how many thousands people, I didn’t count, but thousands of people and lots of them got realisation, and this book has been really very much comprehensive, you can get that book and read it but still experiencing is different understanding is different. That book covers a very little part of the whole thing, but still it gives you a good introduction to the subject which can open your eyes to reality. I hope they have some pamphlets here also to give you the first understanding of the thing. It is a serious thing it is not a joke it is not just putting something into your head and finishing off it is a very serious thing and has to be taken up seriously. Though it is very serious, it is fully enjoyable. I cannot remain serious for more than 10 minutes because it is all a joke for me so once you become that it is very very simple and a very very normal thing. But before that you have to take it up with understanding and with respect and regard towards yourself. If you are really seeking you will do it. We have had people very difficult cases who have achieved it and who have done it. So I do not think that it will be difficult for you to get this realisation,and to achieve it, to sustain it, to learn about it and to give it to others. May God bless you all. If you have any questions you can ask me for about 5 or 6 minutes but ask sensible questions just wasting your time and my time is not a good thing, just ask me very sensible questions because as I said it it has to happen to you. It is your own power You have to get it, you don’t have to pay for anything, I don’t need anything from you, nothing you can give me, so if you have to take change your attitude if you are taking from me, not giving me. I am not asking for votes I am not asking for anything. You might not have met a person like me before but think it over that you have to take from me and it is a gift to you so before taking the gift don’t open the mouth of the horse, try to understand what it is and then ask me sensible questions because just wasting your time is not good. I will be very happy to answer your questions if they are sensible and good enough and if they are helping you because there must be some questions which must be asked. Inaudible question is asked….. That is a good question a very good question. You see a very good question, that is a very good question, that is Sahaja Yoga is a religion? Now what is a religion according to you, first of all the question comes back to you, what is a religion when you said if it is a religion then I would like to know what a definition of a religion is from your side. So I will tell you what is a religion and what is Sahaja Yoga? The idea of Our religion is, I mean what we call as religion is that you find certain truths about things. Like there was Christ alright, he lived on this earth, he did this he did that, so some people take it up, they are not realised souls, they have not sensed the divinity, they have not known what is Divine Light. They take up the authority upon themselves, they organise it. Say like this is the religion of Christianity, and the same about Hinduism, some pundits get together, they have some dry discussions among themselves and they are not realised they never read also Adi Shankaracharya and they start a religion. You cannot start a religion, the religion is within you is the religion of evolution. The religion is in your stomach do you know that? It is in your stomach existing now here if you see the yellow thing, the green thing around the green is the void as we call it, or you can call it bhavasagara in the Sanskrit language as they call it. This portion is sustained by religion, every Human being has a sustainer, for example gold has a sustaining power, alright because it is untarnishable, we can say that it has a sustaining power of gold. Correct? In the same way every human being has got a sustaining power as a human being. If he does not have this then he falls in his dharma in his religion. Whatever is false, falsely made is not a religion. That is why people are turning away from religion. Religion exists in your stomach but you can deny it, you can defy it. You can say that I don’t believe it. You can have cancer of the stomach because of that you may have some disease because of that. Fanaticism is not religion. Fanaticism is a disease. I am not talking of disease I am talking of something that is within you. So if you think evolution is a religion then I would say that Sahaja Yoga is a religion. If your evolution if you call it is a religion then Sahaja yoga is a religion but is a religion which takes you beyond your sustainance beyond your religion your dharmatit, beyond your dharma. We have amongst ourselves Hindus, Muslims, Christians all that, you know that. All these people can feel it within themselves as a religion in their stomachs, they can feel it. They can find out where is a religion because I say the religion in the stomach is looked after by the deities of Primordial Master who we call as Dattatreya in the Sanskrit language. I don’t mean in Hinduism. It doesn’t mean Hinduism at all but it is called as Dattatreya in the Sanskrit language, in English it’s Primordial Master. He is the same who incarnated on this earth as Moses as Abraham, has incarnated as Muhammed Sahib as Raja Janaka, as Nanaka, and also as Shirdi Sai Nath. Can you believe that Muhammed Sahib is the same as our Nanak. Now in the religion of these people the Muslims so called and the so called Sikhs are fighting amongst themselves, can you believe that Mahavira and Buddha were the same as Hassan and Hussain which we can prove it to you on vibrations and on curing people they were the same people reincarnated just to improve on themselves because people believe into something which they were not so they were incarnated just to show this was wrong, no no I never said it this is the truth. In the story of Nanaka it was said that once he was sleeping so they said. “You are preaching that there should be unity between Hindus and Muslims and you are putting your feet towards Mecca,” he said really? Then he turned to the other side, he said Mecca has moved. He was the religion but not his followers. They drink, he allowed them to drink did he? When Muhammed Sahib said don’t drink that means they make a fanaticism out of all that. Fanaticism is not religion you must understand the difference between the two, the living religion is within us when you get that light inside. You cannot drink. I never drink. I never tell people don’t drink before realisation. After that you just don’t drink you just give up, because you start feeling yourself the beauty within yourself. When you are bored only you will smoke and drink. When you are enjoying yourself why would you drink. So your religion automatically awakens and you just don’t have to bother. Nobody has to tell you that you will get cancer don’t smoke. 99% just give up smoking without any difficulty and that’s how they save money. People have given up drugs. Horrible things they have given up You won’t believe If I tell you that there some of them sitting here came to me in dead condition, absolutely in dead condition, they gave it up when they found it. So this is a religion that is within you which is enlightened through kundalini and then it works out. But it is an absolute religion in the sense that you all feel the same thing. If you feel one finger the other is also going to feel the same thing. There is no argument about it, there is no argument, everyone will say I am feeling this Mother so that person is suffering from this trouble or this trouble whatever it is. Even if you take 10 children if they are realised souls if you tie their eyes they will say the same thing and they will all clear out there everyone of them, whether they are Muslims, Hindus, Christians doesn’t matter. The other day I had an Arab lady who came to me whom I have cured who is realised she brought another Egyptian to me, he had pain actually on the left side centre because the left side is affected but then after the left side was cured you see they all started feeling pain here and pain here, so I said do you get pain here and he said how do you know that’s the reason I am here to you, I said do you get pain here he said yes throughout, we cured him also. A little bit you get pain, just not much just feeling just you start suggesting the pain is here and here and here and with your hands you can move it and you can take it out. Many mad people have been cured by coming to Sahaja Yoga because when the enlightenment comes when the balance comes in when there is light within you the darkness goes away. The darkness of the subconscious and of the supra conscious disappears and you become an enlightened person. If enlightenment is a religion then I would say Sahaja Yoga is. There is nothing discarded of all the religions, nothing is discarded but it is enlightened and brought forth and told to you that this is. What was Buddha, do you know who was Buddha how he was brought, do you know who was Mahavira, now those people who worship Mahavira if they are fanatics they are really if you go to see them really you will go mad with them you will not understand what’s the matter, what sort of an interpretation is this of Mahavira, or of Buddha or of Rama or of Krishna or of Christ and when you start feeling these fanatic people in the name of religion oh God any religion get out of it. It is correct I must say you young people have seen to it, but still don’t go away from God. You see always you have seen in this world everything that is beautiful is covered with something ugly because it is a market, you want to sell something in the market, religion you cannot sell in the market. They are selling religion. If you read any one of these people there see £50,000,000 for this £30,000,000 for this for raising this organisation for doing this. Is such a headache when I see these things the other day I was seeing that picture on the TV of the world that they were organising so much money and that money, is that God is that religion so differentiate between the real religion and the unreal one. Fanaticism is not the way to God, it is never the way. It is one side of God but you can go to the other side of denying of God, denying of religion is another side, both are extreme, you have to be in the centre. Again I say that you have to be in the centre. You just wait and see and let it happen to you, alright? It was a very good question. Beautiful. Are there any other questions? Unheard question is asked The extreme of sanyasi? Alright perfectly alright. You see one should not think that becoming that is very important. It’s alright if you don’t want to do it it’s alright, like vegetarianism also is another fad you see there are Jains in India who are vegetarians to this limit that they want to be kind to the bugs so they get the bugs of all the village they collect it and keep one pundit and put him in the hut and put all the bugs to eat that ear or drink the blood of that pundit, or what we call as a priest and that is how they think they are being very kind to bugs. But what are we going to do with the bugs here you tell me. You see one pundit is better than thousands of these bugs, how if the bugs come here how am I to give them realisation? This is what it is you see if by temperament you do not like sex life it is perfectly alright but by becoming a nun if you will find God is a wrong idea this is what I am trying to say. If by temperament you don’t like to eat flesh and things it is perfectly alright, but if you think that by becoming vegetarian you are going to achieve God is wrong, not the extreme of anything. Not extreme of anything. Any kind of fanaticism you see this is the reason why today Gods name is erased because of fanatic ideas, we have to understand that if we have to allow God to work within us we have to be sensible. We have to be wise. Now see this temple is sold out to Bharti Vidya Bhavan what would you say to that? Why? why has church been allowed to Bharti vidya Bhavan. I don’t say there is anything wrong with Bharati Vidya Bhavan but a church has been sold to Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan a sign of what. People are neglecting religion, so called, alright? So we have to be sensible and wise about it because we can see the future now. we can see for ourselves what is going to happen to these younger people who are thinking about it. They should also not be allowed to go to another extreme. 26% people in this country believe in God can you imagine what do they think of themselves? 26% people only believe in God. Out of them 6% must be others not British and what do the British think about themselves that they don’t have faith in God, whom do they have faith in I cannot understand. So it has gone to that limit, now at least a weight on only the poor countries where there is no food nothing, so you supply food to them. Now supplying food is not Gods work at all, looking after the poor is not Gods work who has told you that it is Gods work? Even Christ has said that poor will be with you always but I am with you for a short time. If you look after the divinity and our Divine life and not all these poor people let other people do it, let the government do it. Why are you doing the governments job to be philanthropic? That’s not your job looking after the poor, you will see they are like labours unions there supplying the poor food, supplying what is the need? Thats not the way. Understand that when you have to do for anyone it is just you do it. You just don’t think you are doing anything great you just do it because its just you feel happy about it. You are just doing it for your own happiness there is nothing like Upkaar and all that. You just do it there is nothing so great to feel proud of it that you have done so much good work and so much good work. It’s all nonsense this is just ego pampering. What can you do for others, what can you give? Dead things like I give a television set to someone or a chair to someone, all dead, is it going to give joy to anyone? That is not joy giving all these great religions which were formed and all these organisations should have given some joy to people, they have not they have failed completely because their attention was never in the seeking in the finding out of the truth, they were just organising it. Do you understand my point? There are many ways in which we can follow after getting realisation there are. ??? There many ways in which you can watch those thoughts. If you watch you see because you are a realised soul yourself, you know, then your attention is enlightened. Just put your attention and the whole thing will subside. It is like a light, if you put light to anything that is darkness the thing will disappear. It will work out, just put your attention. From where do these ideas come, from your ego or from your superego, just find out because you know all about it what is the ego and the superego is, what sort of ideas are coming, you can just watch it and you can get rid of that, it is not difficult. You can remain into thoughtless awareness. There are so many ways we have by which you develop yourself and grow. Questions? Unheard question Yes, no doubt he said he was a prophet he was the Son of God. What is Holy Trinity? Holy Trinity is God the Father, God the Mother, and God the Son. Ask direct questions. Just now if you ask direct questions how am I to answer them? That I will tell you later alright? Alright? So no doubt you have to find out also certain things, find out things about me, things about Sahaja Yoga because I am very cautious, and very careful because I know the ego of Human Beings, if you say one word they just jump on it so I am very careful but to you I am going to tell because you are realised. But first of all get your realisation before your ego starts jumping about alright? Just see it, it’s just there it keeps giving you ideas just look at that, tell him to wait for a while till you get your realisation. Through your rationality you are not going to go there. I have told you there is an instrument which has to trigger it. It is effortless not by thinking you are going to reach there, it is going to happen to you it is a happening, so just wait and see, don’t allow your mind to take over you because if your mind comes in between it will try to drag you behind. What has your mind done so far, nothing, why depend on your mind? Unheard question What is? Conscience? Conscience, conscience is the thing that gives you the religion, is the balancing force, conscience is the one that is sustainance within you, that’s the one that is all the time giving you balance that is within you as I said so is there is religion within you, the conscience is there but we are very good at killing it every moment. Unheard question Not aloud, alright, we will do it later, alright yes? Unheard question This kundalini is placed at the triangular bone, you may not even feel the awakening of it. If you are a smooth instrument it will just shoot off. It will not be felt but what you will feel is absolute calm and a thoughtless awareness as they call it is the first stage where in Sanskrit language it is called as Nirvichaar Samadhi, nirvichaar samadhi that is the first stage, Samadhi means enlightened consciousness, first the consciousness is enlightened, at the stage where you are thoughtless, the second stage where you rise into is doubtless awareness is called as Nirvikalpa Samadhi where there is no doubt left. Between this and that you are faced with doubts all kinds of nonsensical doubts but only remember if you have felt the vibrations if you have felt the cool breeze there is something about it. Let us go forward with it, let us go higher with it and work it out so it starts today. Please put your hands just like this towards me just like this, with your feet on the ground straight. Just like this. Think like I know what you are thinking some of you are thinking is this hypnosis? See if I want to gain something out of you why would I hypnotise, am I mad? To hypnotise a person and carry on on your head? I am not to gain anything from you alright? This is the first thing I do not want anything neither can you give me anything. Now you are taking something from me, so there is no question of hypnosis. I have no interest, you have to gain something. Just put your hands just as if you are asking for something and then close your eyes. You must have respect and regard for yourself that you are that light and you are going to get it and you are to be enlightened. You are not ordinary people you are not animals you are Human Beings and you are great and you are going to get it, you are not going to feel small about it. If you are going to get it if you do not get it doesn’t matter it is going to work out. You can close your eyes if you can close them properly, some of you may not be able to close because eyelids may just flutter out although such people should open their eyes. If your hands are shaking also please open your hands . If there is no shaking if there is a regular flow and for which you shouldn’t be worried and do not start thinking about it. Just allow your mind to rest a little while. (Shri Mataji is Blowing into microphone) Put your hands like this, all of you. First thing you feel absolute blankness in your head you watch your thought and you find there is no thought coming to you then you start feeling a cool breeze, some people might feel a tingling in the hands or some sort of a burning, then just throw it away. But if it is flowing a cool breeze just allow it to pass. All those who are feeling a cool breeze in the hands please raise your hands, all those who are feeling it. Raise them higher is it alright can you feel it. Then put up your hands all of you all of you whether Sahaja Yogis or not please put up your hands, Good. Now again raise your hands All those who are feeling the cool breeze in their hands raise them higher, both the hands, raise them higher more. They have got it. There, Good. Now take down your hands and those who have come for the first time and are not feeling anything in the hands please raise your hands. Good yes, so those who are not feeling if they could come here we would work on them.

5/17/1979

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Seeking, Evolution, Q&A. Caxton Hall London (UK), 17 May 1979. [Talk only] I would say those who have come for the first time please [UNCLEAR give them the front row]. [UNCLEAR Second row or first row]. Please. Aap bhi samne aiye [you too come in front]. You see if you leave the back seats vacant it will be better because there will be some more coming I guess. And occupy these front ones [UNCLEAR here]. So today we have [UNCLEAR this] introduction to sahaj yog to begin with because there are some [UNCLEAR interest in you]. You have read in many scriptures that there is the power of God that works out everything. Moreover, a human being just feels that there is something of the beyond, something beyond this [UNCLEAR more] comprehension that works out everything. Though we have heard about it, sometimes we get a glimpse of it also. It is not yet very well in our awareness or under our control that we can feel the divine power. As I told you the other day you are so confused about it because you do not know, you have not felt. You have just accepted certain things because some people [UNCLEAR have told] us, because it has been said again and again or somebody has tried to prove that you must have faith to understand. But actually, if it exists or not whether there is God or not, itself is a big question [UNCLEAR]. So, to approach this question either we start analyzing it, rationalizing it and as we have never reached this question through rationality [UNCLEAR]. The another way could be to understand that there is something lacking in us, something important, something we have to achieve, there is something less in our awareness. That’s why maybe we are not feeling. For example, animals do not feel the beauty. They do not feel the beautiful fragrance and they cannot discriminate between filth and [UNCLEAR fragrance]. In the same way our awareness, whatever it is human awareness may not be sufficient enough to feel that divine power which is [UNCLEAR that we call] pervading, all doing, all knowing, all loving. So, the human being has got the freedom to find [UNCLEAR it] and he tries in his own methods to find it out. In his own understanding he works out how to achieve. But if you, if you think about our own awareness, how did we get it, did we think about it. From amoeba to this stage how did we become human being. Did we do anything about it. The higher state at which human awareness is compared to animals how did they, are enjoying it, what have they done. Nothing. You have done nothing to be a human being, I mean we could have been animals. In the same way to achieve that also you are not going to do anything about it. The nature, the evolving force within us itself is going to do it and it will achieve it. But rather difficult to accept this concept that we cannot do anything about it. I would say when I am talking to you, you did not accept me at all. It’s a hypothesis for you. And if it is proved then you have to accept and see for yourself. But you are not to deny it also, hypothesis means [UNCLEAR] Now I have shown here a human being and he has 4 dimensions as you can see[UNCLEAR] clearly. One on the right-hand side, one on the left-hand side and one below him and one on top of his head. Now, as I said it you should accept it as a hypothesis. You can see here clearly, that the left-hand side and right-hand side, these two channels are absolutely connected and there is a gap in the central channel. This is the subtle instrument or you can say the [UNCLEAR scaffolding] of our being. And the centers are the subtle centers which work out our plexuses. For example, this first center here down below manifests, controls pelvic plexus. The second one, yellow one there controls our aortic plexus, the third one controls our solar plexus, the one on top on the center controls our cardiac plexus. The one here near the neck controls the cervical plexus and here on top is a passing point there, this center controls ego and super ego and the pituitary and pineal. And above all that is the center where all these seven centers are controlled. That area is called as limbic area in the medical terminology. Now these subtle centers exists partly in our medulla oblongata in the back bone and partly in the brain as shown there. As I have said man has got 4 dimensions, one on this one on this side, one on that side and one on the [UNCLEAR side/right]. Now these two channels here, the left and right represents two [UNCLEAR folds] which are within us. So, first one by which we exist, this channel in the Sanskrit language is called as the Ida Nadi and this controls the left sympathetic nervous system within human brain. And the right one is called as the Pingala Nadi and controls our creativity, it gives us creativity. The central one is our [UNCLEAR evolutional love], by which we evolve and we have evolved only up to that point and this is the gap that is left [UNCLEAR in you]. Because of this gap you do not feel that all pervading power. Actually, it is the all-pervading power which manifest at the [UNCLEAR], like you can see in the mirror you see the reflection but the mirror you do not see because of the reflection. In the same way, this all-pervading power is manifesting everything that is reflected on you but cannot be seen because our attention is on the pattern, on the reflection but not on the mirror itself. Sahaja Yoga is a method which nature has employed from the very beginning from when the carbon atoms or even earlier than that when all the elements were created even when the creation was created. Sahaja, sahaja means with you it is born. Saha means with Ja means born. It is born with you. Like you can see in a seed, you have got all the maps of all the trees that it is going to [UNCLEAR create] and all the fruits it is going to [UNCLEAR produce]. In the same way is the seed of your being, all this was there gradually manifesting one, one being in you like physical being, then say emotional being, then your mental being, then your spiritual being and now the one that becomes one with the [UNCLEAR creator]. All this has come out of one being itself. Now, is there any method or not? The question is, is there any method to achieve this sprouting to a higher awareness or not? Is there any method by which you are triggered into it? I say, there is. And what is the method God has created [UNCLEAR in] us? He has created this residual force here, you can see which is called as Kundalini. It is called as Kundalini because Kundala means a coil, it means a coil. And it is coiled here into three and a half coils that’s why it is called as Kundalini. But this force is specially reserved, or is a residual force yet for this occasion when you have to get this sprouting. In simple words we can say, supposing there is a, now this instrument is here and it is recording my speech, but supposing if you do not put it to the mains it has no meaning. In the same way if you are not put to the mains, you have no meaning. And this Kundalini is the one, that is the cord within you which connects you to the mains. But this is a living process. It is not like taking out a cord from your television or any one of the instruments. But it is a living process that starts sprouting just like a [UNCLEAR premune] in a seed and rises up and breaks this fontanelle born area, which we call as Brahmarandra and takes your attention to that subtle awareness by which you feel this subtle all-pervading power. But we have problems, and the problems are we are having these other dimensions also out of which the left dimension which I said gives you the existence itself and also your emotional [UNCLEAR]. Now if you try to be too much emotional or go into this kind of emotional behavior, you happen to go on this side more. Sort of you get into a new balance and go on sleep it off [UNCLEAR that’s]. When you go to that side you are attacked by being who are heavy in your past. Who have something to do with your past. May be not in this life, may be in previous lives. May be some of them who are busy bodies may not be related to you may attack you too. And that’s how people become mad, they become schizophrenic and they get all the problems of the, what as we call the left side problems. The right side as I told you is for our creativity. By the left side we think of the past. By the right side we think of the future. What are we going to do tomorrow? I mean most of us are doing here, more that. We are not here today, at this moment we are not here, we are thinking now what are we going to do tomorrow. Or we can think, we might be thinking are we going to get a taxi or not, is it going to rain or not. But we are not thinking, that we are just now here and we are just here. So, we are not on this. But we are on the future or on the past. We are all the time moving from the past to the future, [UNCLEAR future to past]. Now the future thinking also gives you a problem. If you start thinking too much for the future, of course plans always fails, that’s why the problem is there. See if you plan out anything it will wrong, something will go wrong to prove that no use planning for the future too. It is as simple as this, that if you have to travel say to an unknown country, then if you plan out that I will be going to the right and then to the left, you cannot do it. You must see what side of the road is full. Suppose if you just plan out, supposing there is no road on the left, if you go on the road you will be in a ditch. In the same way, the planning too much business also causes too much extreme movement to this. And when you move too much to this side you become emotionally also very much [UNCLEAR we react] and imbalance [UNCLEAR is created]. This can also create imbalance, people can become lethargic. You see we had some patients here, they were trying to cry and crying, crying doing no work. Extremely lethargic people. You must have also met some people, whatever you may try, give them injections or anything they would not get. That type. So, they are the people who read melancholic songs and all the time they are speaking [UNCLEAR as Romeos and..] killing their time and torturing others and extremely boring. That type. The other types are very ambitious and all the time talking about the future plans. And they cannot sit quiet for one minute because they are all the time planning for the future. That types are on the right-hand side. And if this type goes too far to this side, they are also attacked by such ambitious people who are around and they can become over ambitious. So, a vicious circle is set in and you get a whole society behaving in a very funny manner, in a very sicky manner. Everybody is running up and down, you don’t know what are they after. You just can’t understand what are they afraid of and where are they up to. So, that sort of a thing can also happen to a person. [UNCLEAR Or this kind or that happens], if you go too much out of the balance. Now, this center path is of temperaments, is absolutely of temperaments not overdoing something. Like you are going on a road, say you are driving down to the airport. Now, you are going just enjoying the drive just see the flowers that are out, spring is out, see the colours and all that. But not only this ever done but what you will see, look at this these people have not yet cleaned this. They have not yet, this, police must be told that they must put this sign like that. Why don’t, I mean you will work for the police, you will work for the sweepers, you will work for all the rest of the world but you will not see what is there in the nature. That sort of a thing happens with this kind of people and they are very dissatisfied with themselves and with others. They call themselves perfectionist but quite difficult to reading their[UNCLEAR] and they can be quite mad too you see, they do not realize but they could be very mad people. And sometimes when you talk you start wondering, what’s the matter with these people. How are they behaving in this manner? But the center path is that for Temperaments, is just to be kept. Now what is to be done about religion people ask me, now you please keep quiet [UNCLEAR about it]. What is to be done in a religion is not to do anything nonsensical that’s all. I mean, when people say what should we do for religion. Now I mean you don’t [UNCLEAR do it], I mean, it’s all mostly don’t, you are not doing anything about it because it’s mostly don’t. So, you just don’t do this, that’s all. But people think even for religion you have to do something. As you are just keep yourself as you are and the thing will work out and this is the sustenance which is very important [UNCLEAR to you]. And this is the human sustenance, very, very important for human beings. Those who have got this balancing power, left hand side are the easiest person. But you know that we have to be worshipers. And in seeking, they go all out, headlong into everything without even considering what sort of a thing they are moving in, and in that headlong, you see they are, many are smiling because they have been, some of us you see they have been there too, and what problems they create by [UNCLEAR]. First thing that happens to them is that these chakras go into a kind of a chaos. These chakras are simply made of, out of left and right side the Ida and Pingala. Since left and right they come across and the chakra is formed. Now, if you start moving too much, any one of these they can get dislocated. Once they are dislocated they become on their own. Because this is the way they are connected to the whole and you become on your own. That is also very common, [UNCLEAR this one] I am on, on my own, now how can you be on your own when you are a part and parcel of the whole. Supposing you become on your own it’s cancerous. You become a cancerous cell, because you have to keep the relation with the whole and when this starts happening, then you develop horrible disease called as cancer. Its absolute [UNCLEAR]. Every day you are bringing up cancer, every day we are solving it. But that is done through the central part which is manifested with parasympathetic nervous system which gives us all the balance, all the harmony, all the supply of energy. But the energy is limited and if you use it too much, then any disease which is, which is manifested because of a malfunction of these centers [UNCLEAR]. If you could keep these centers alright then there could not be any disease. There could not be any madness or lunacy and all these imbalances, but you would be a very pleasant nice person just like a flower. Let the flower remain as it is at the [UNCLEAR]. Because that is innately built to be in every person to become fruit. This is Sahaja Yoga, this is the promise of God. Sahaja is with you, spontaneously going to work out this process of becoming the fruit giving you your own [UNCLEAR joy]. It will work out if you are not [UNCLEAR medaled] too much. But perhaps it is rather difficult, after a certain age to find [UNCLEAR with you] who have not done. Some of them are Romeos, or some of them are great seekers you see they have taken to horrible methods of seeking like standing on their heads all their life, standing on their feet or do all kinds of funny stuff. You must have seen Hippy dancing in the Oxford street or doing all other nonsensical thing. [UNCLEAR Not good]. You give up your family you become a Sanyasi, you become this and develop a, shave off your head and put a small little “choti” as you call it, behind as tail. Not necessary at all. God has not made you with your self [UNCLEAR] not [UNCLEAR]. He loves you and He loves you very, very [UNCLEAR] and he wants you to enjoy yourself. He has made your instrument in such a manner that you are going to enjoy yourself. This is the way he wants you to look at yourself. And when you start torturing yourself what should we call. There is no torture needed at all. People have another idea that you must suffer if you have to go to God. I don’t imagine such a thing, I mean that is the greatest insult to God. God wants you to be happy, to be joyous completely one with yourself. He doesn’t want you to be unhappy by any chance. Only thinking that if you have to be one to Him then you should be [UNCLEAR clearing chakras]. You need not do anything extra ordinary. It is a simple thing which I do not know why people require so much of explanation. Supposing you are going in a boat, now you go and sit on one side, if you sit on the outside it will topple down. You sit in the center. Everyone understands that if you are in the center you are just there on your gravity and you have your own sustenance quite intact. But it happens like that. Moreover, it is not an artificial thing by which you can work it out. For example, it will work out in some people, it may not work out in some people. It may take some time with some people, it may not take time at all. But when it happens, what happens is that I think I should not tell you. Because that you should see for yourself and you should know that when it happens with you, you start feeling cool vibrations slowly [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR and feet also hands], you find a cool breeze flowing forward. But if it is not flowing then, you, it is not a thing of pride but on the contrary you should come back and get it again, establish and have it. That’s the thing. If you are really the seeker there is no [UNCLEAR strategy, it is your right to have it]. And this is a very simple thing. It has to be so very and simple. How can it be complicated? because it is essential. It is the most important thing that’s why it has to be extremely simple. Supposing our breathing, you have to do by reading books, what would have happened? So, by reading books you cannot get. It is so important, just like our breathing, so how can it be difficult? How can it be a hazardous? It has to be simplest, but we have made ourselves upside down, topsy-turvy. What can one do about it. See only thing you can try is to put it straight and work it out. There is no use doubting anything about it. Because by doubting what have you achieved? The first thing that comes to people is doubting. Now if you understand there is nothing is selling here. No, it is not. If you understand this point very well that this is not a shop. You are not selling anything here, am I? then what are we doing. It’s a gift. It’s a gift and if it’s a gift you are not going to doubt it. If you are going to doubt it then you sit down with your doubts and go on convincing yourself. But that doesn’t mean that you blindly follow me. It will happen to you. If it happens well and good if it will not happen you are willing to work it. Now, you are not to work it, till you get it [UNCLEAR and see you] have got it like a swimmer who knows how to swim can only say. But those who do not know how to swim keeps it quiet and [UNCLEAR]. It is so simple as that. But there is nothing to feel also [UNCLEAR] that if I say this, you go to [UNCLEAR Brahmacharya]. Nothing to feel bad about it. Because after all, all of us have to go to the other side of the road. So, it’s already question of how you cross it and how you land. Those who know the art can do it for you and then you just take their course and then you do it for others. It’s very simple, like one light enlightens another light. Now the light which is not enlightened cannot be enlightened by itself. But what is the obligation of the light which is enlightened, see now no obligations, come on. So, one should not also feel obliged, one should not even feel that some great work has been done, neither one should feel also sort of dominated. It’s a very free thing, it has to be absolutely accepted in your own freedom and in absolutely in your own seeking. There cannot be any force about it. You have to ask for it, you have to ask for it. If you do not ask for it nobody is going to fall at your feet and say sir please have it. Of course, being a Mother, I will try to tell you stories and give you some chocolate but it has its own protocol. And one has to go with that protocol and must know we are asking for a Supreme. We are asking for the Supreme joy. For what you are, what you have received and you should, you must, that is your right and you must have your right. But in a proper way. If there is any question you ask me because it’s a very big subject. You know that I have, must have given them eighty-four lectures and this is now the eighty fifth here in this hall. So, you can imagine how big is the subject if you go into details. But just now, I think it’s so sufficient just to give a introduction of subject. Now, if you have any question please ask, but ask sensible question, thank you. Cannot think, [UNCLEAR, cannot think that happens]. You see when the Kundalini comes up over the Angya you just cannot think. The thoughtless, thoughtless awareness. [UNCLEAR That’s], what you call the Nirvachar Samadhi, [UNCLEAR sets]. Interaction with Seekers Seeker: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: How do you, How do you feel? Seeker: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: We know you have a problem [UNCLEAR, my child]. [UNCLEAR, That’s it that’s keeping it out]. You got your realization alright but [UNCLEAR, it was little mistake] alright? You are alright, you will get it as soon as the problem goes away you will get it. Getting now? Are you getting? Seeker: Yeah Shri Mataji: Much better, your shaking is much better? [UNCLEAR, what is it doing?], still shaking? Equally? Feel the [UNCLEAR] You are feeling the cool breeze [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR, surrounding you]. So, feel it comforting you. It is surrounding all. It’s all over. It’s just there, it works out everything. [UNCLEAR, laughing] [UNCLEAR Shri Mataji: How are you Simon? Seeker: Fine Shri Mataji: Put your hands towards me [UNCLEAR, like this] [UNCLEAR] Just close your eyes. Now what is going to happen to you. First of all, if you watch your thoughts, most of you will feel that there is no thought in your mind. Most of you, I would not say all of you but most of you are feeling there is no thought. If you see, that what your mind if thinking, you will think that it is blank. Then, after some time you will feel cool breeze flowing. Flowing [UNCLEAR] Now, at one of your centers you see [UNCLEAR, stopping most of the places now] Thing is, you have to forgive others. When you are asking for the supreme you must forgive them, forgiveness is very important. Because it’s a myth to remember what others have done to you. Just forgive others. Just forgive them. It’s only saying that you forgive. Actually, by not forgiving or forgiving you don’t do anything. [UNCLEAR, though] you only play in their hands when you don’t forgive. [UNCLEAR why are you shaking] [UNCLEAR] Put your left hand on your liver this side. Left hand. Can you feel it? [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] Are you getting [UNCLEAR] Hamsa, have you been doing Pranayama? [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] That’s it, [UNCLEAR went] to another extreme. Are you getting anything [UNCLEAR]. You, are you alright now? [UNCLEAR] Put your left hand on your liver. Your liver. Left hand. [UNCLEAR Cathy] can you check? [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] You did hatha yoga also? [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] See it’s a very wrong concept of hatha yoga we have here. It’s only physical, it’s not physically [UNCLEAR] did Patanjali Sastanga two simultaneously. It’s to be done when you are leading a very celibate life in a jungle with your Guru. From 5 to 25 years of age. But this one is only meant for becoming actors and actresses. Shri Mataji Laughing. [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR Now I think if you can get in and see their vibrations]. Now you all, new people do not get disturbed, these people will just come and feel your vibrations, that’s all. You just keep quiet and close your eyes. They’ll just come and feel your vibrations. [UNCLEAR if you are in trouble close your eyes] Just close your eyes and just can’t be disturbed, they will not touch you. Swadishthan, ok. You feel so different on the face itself. Showing on the face itself, you see, relax. Enjoy yourself. Seeker: [UNCLEAR I have little trouble hearing you] [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] Mother talking with yogis and laughing. [UNCLEAR]

Seeking, Evolution, Q&A. Caxton Hall London (UK), 17 May 1979. [Talk only] I would say those who have come for the first time please [UNCLEAR give them the front row]. [UNCLEAR Second row or first row]. Please. Aap bhi samne aiye [you too come in front]. You see if you leave the back seats vacant it will be better because there will be some more coming I guess. And occupy these front ones [UNCLEAR here]. So today we have [UNCLEAR this] introduction to sahaj yog to begin with because there are some [UNCLEAR interest in you]. You have read in many scriptures that there is the power of God that works out everything. Moreover, a human being just feels that there is something of the beyond, something beyond this [UNCLEAR more] comprehension that works out everything. Though we have heard about it, sometimes we get a glimpse of it also. It is not yet very well in our awareness or under our control that we can feel the divine power. As I told you the other day you are so confused about it because you do not know, you have not felt. You have just accepted certain things because some people [UNCLEAR have told] us, because it has been said again and again or somebody has tried to prove that you must have faith to understand. But actually, if it exists or not whether there is God or not, itself is a big question [UNCLEAR]. So, to approach this question either we start analyzing it, rationalizing it and as we have never reached this question through rationality [UNCLEAR]. The another way could be to understand that there is something lacking in us, something important, something we have to achieve, there is something less in our awareness. That’s why maybe we are not feeling. For example, animals do not feel the beauty. They do not feel the beautiful fragrance and they cannot discriminate between filth and [UNCLEAR fragrance]. In the same way our awareness, whatever it is human awareness may not be sufficient enough to feel that divine power which is [UNCLEAR that we call] pervading, all doing, all knowing, all loving. So, the human being has got the freedom to find [UNCLEAR it] and he tries in his own methods to find it out. In his own understanding he works out how to achieve. But if you, if you think about our own awareness, how did we get it, did we think about it. From amoeba to this stage how did we become human being. Did we do anything about it. The higher state at which human awareness is compared to animals how did they, are enjoying it, what have they done. Nothing. You have done nothing to be a human being, I mean we could have been animals. In the same way to achieve that also you are not going to do anything about it. The nature, the evolving force within us itself is going to do it and it will achieve it. But rather difficult to accept this concept that we cannot do anything about it. I would say when I am talking to you, you did not accept me at all. It’s a hypothesis for you. And if it is proved then you have to accept and see for yourself. But you are not to deny it also, hypothesis means [UNCLEAR] Now I have shown here a human being and he has 4 dimensions as you can see[UNCLEAR] clearly. One on the right-hand side, one on the left-hand side and one below him and one on top of his head. Now, as I said it you should accept it as a hypothesis. You can see here clearly, that the left-hand side and right-hand side, these two channels are absolutely connected and there is a gap in the central channel. This is the subtle instrument or you can say the [UNCLEAR scaffolding] of our being. And the centers are the subtle centers which work out our plexuses. For example, this first center here down below manifests, controls pelvic plexus. The second one, yellow one there controls our aortic plexus, the third one controls our solar plexus, the one on top on the center controls our cardiac plexus. The one here near the neck controls the cervical plexus and here on top is a passing point there, this center controls ego and super ego and the pituitary and pineal. And above all that is the center where all these seven centers are controlled. That area is called as limbic area in the medical terminology. Now these subtle centers exists partly in our medulla oblongata in the back bone and partly in the brain as shown there. As I have said man has got 4 dimensions, one on this one on this side, one on that side and one on the [UNCLEAR side/right]. Now these two channels here, the left and right represents two [UNCLEAR folds] which are within us. So, first one by which we exist, this channel in the Sanskrit language is called as the Ida Nadi and this controls the left sympathetic nervous system within human brain. And the right one is called as the Pingala Nadi and controls our creativity, it gives us creativity. The central one is our [UNCLEAR evolutional love], by which we evolve and we have evolved only up to that point and this is the gap that is left [UNCLEAR in you]. Because of this gap you do not feel that all pervading power. Actually, it is the all-pervading power which manifest at the [UNCLEAR], like you can see in the mirror you see the reflection but the mirror you do not see because of the reflection. In the same way, this all-pervading power is manifesting everything that is reflected on you but cannot be seen because our attention is on the pattern, on the reflection but not on the mirror itself. Sahaja Yoga is a method which nature has employed from the very beginning from when the carbon atoms or even earlier than that when all the elements were created even when the creation was created. Sahaja, sahaja means with you it is born. Saha means with Ja means born. It is born with you. Like you can see in a seed, you have got all the maps of all the trees that it is going to [UNCLEAR create] and all the fruits it is going to [UNCLEAR produce]. In the same way is the seed of your being, all this was there gradually manifesting one, one being in you like physical being, then say emotional being, then your mental being, then your spiritual being and now the one that becomes one with the [UNCLEAR creator]. All this has come out of one being itself. Now, is there any method or not? The question is, is there any method to achieve this sprouting to a higher awareness or not? Is there any method by which you are triggered into it? I say, there is. And what is the method God has created [UNCLEAR in] us? He has created this residual force here, you can see which is called as Kundalini. It is called as Kundalini because Kundala means a coil, it means a coil. And it is coiled here into three and a half coils that’s why it is called as Kundalini. But this force is specially reserved, or is a residual force yet for this occasion when you have to get this sprouting. In simple words we can say, supposing there is a, now this instrument is here and it is recording my speech, but supposing if you do not put it to the mains it has no meaning. In the same way if you are not put to the mains, you have no meaning. And this Kundalini is the one, that is the cord within you which connects you to the mains. But this is a living process. It is not like taking out a cord from your television or any one of the instruments. But it is a living process that starts sprouting just like a [UNCLEAR premune] in a seed and rises up and breaks this fontanelle born area, which we call as Brahmarandra and takes your attention to that subtle awareness by which you feel this subtle all-pervading power. But we have problems, and the problems are we are having these other dimensions also out of which the left dimension which I said gives you the existence itself and also your emotional [UNCLEAR]. Now if you try to be too much emotional or go into this kind of emotional behavior, you happen to go on this side more. Sort of you get into a new balance and go on sleep it off [UNCLEAR that’s]. When you go to that side you are attacked by being who are heavy in your past. Who have something to do with your past. May be not in this life, may be in previous lives. May be some of them who are busy bodies may not be related to you may attack you too. And that’s how people become mad, they become schizophrenic and they get all the problems of the, what as we call the left side problems. The right side as I told you is for our creativity. By the left side we think of the past. By the right side we think of the future. What are we going to do tomorrow? I mean most of us are doing here, more that. We are not here today, at this moment we are not here, we are thinking now what are we going to do tomorrow. Or we can think, we might be thinking are we going to get a taxi or not, is it going to rain or not. But we are not thinking, that we are just now here and we are just here. So, we are not on this. But we are on the future or on the past. We are all the time moving from the past to the future, [UNCLEAR future to past]. Now the future thinking also gives you a problem. If you start thinking too much for the future, of course plans always fails, that’s why the problem is there. See if you plan out anything it will wrong, something will go wrong to prove that no use planning for the future too. It is as simple as this, that if you have to travel say to an unknown country, then if you plan out that I will be going to the right and then to the left, you cannot do it. You must see what side of the road is full. Suppose if you just plan out, supposing there is no road on the left, if you go on the road you will be in a ditch. In the same way, the planning too much business also causes too much extreme movement to this. And when you move too much to this side you become emotionally also very much [UNCLEAR we react] and imbalance [UNCLEAR is created]. This can also create imbalance, people can become lethargic. You see we had some patients here, they were trying to cry and crying, crying doing no work. Extremely lethargic people. You must have also met some people, whatever you may try, give them injections or anything they would not get. That type. So, they are the people who read melancholic songs and all the time they are speaking [UNCLEAR as Romeos and..] killing their time and torturing others and extremely boring. That type. The other types are very ambitious and all the time talking about the future plans. And they cannot sit quiet for one minute because they are all the time planning for the future. That types are on the right-hand side. And if this type goes too far to this side, they are also attacked by such ambitious people who are around and they can become over ambitious. So, a vicious circle is set in and you get a whole society behaving in a very funny manner, in a very sicky manner. Everybody is running up and down, you don’t know what are they after. You just can’t understand what are they afraid of and where are they up to. So, that sort of a thing can also happen to a person. [UNCLEAR Or this kind or that happens], if you go too much out of the balance. Now, this center path is of temperaments, is absolutely of temperaments not overdoing something. Like you are going on a road, say you are driving down to the airport. Now, you are going just enjoying the drive just see the flowers that are out, spring is out, see the colours and all that. But not only this ever done but what you will see, look at this these people have not yet cleaned this. They have not yet, this, police must be told that they must put this sign like that. Why don’t, I mean you will work for the police, you will work for the sweepers, you will work for all the rest of the world but you will not see what is there in the nature. That sort of a thing happens with this kind of people and they are very dissatisfied with themselves and with others. They call themselves perfectionist but quite difficult to reading their[UNCLEAR] and they can be quite mad too you see, they do not realize but they could be very mad people. And sometimes when you talk you start wondering, what’s the matter with these people. How are they behaving in this manner? But the center path is that for Temperaments, is just to be kept. Now what is to be done about religion people ask me, now you please keep quiet [UNCLEAR about it]. What is to be done in a religion is not to do anything nonsensical that’s all. I mean, when people say what should we do for religion. Now I mean you don’t [UNCLEAR do it], I mean, it’s all mostly don’t, you are not doing anything about it because it’s mostly don’t. So, you just don’t do this, that’s all. But people think even for religion you have to do something. As you are just keep yourself as you are and the thing will work out and this is the sustenance which is very important [UNCLEAR to you]. And this is the human sustenance, very, very important for human beings. Those who have got this balancing power, left hand side are the easiest person. But you know that we have to be worshipers. And in seeking, they go all out, headlong into everything without even considering what sort of a thing they are moving in, and in that headlong, you see they are, many are smiling because they have been, some of us you see they have been there too, and what problems they create by [UNCLEAR]. First thing that happens to them is that these chakras go into a kind of a chaos. These chakras are simply made of, out of left and right side the Ida and Pingala. Since left and right they come across and the chakra is formed. Now, if you start moving too much, any one of these they can get dislocated. Once they are dislocated they become on their own. Because this is the way they are connected to the whole and you become on your own. That is also very common, [UNCLEAR this one] I am on, on my own, now how can you be on your own when you are a part and parcel of the whole. Supposing you become on your own it’s cancerous. You become a cancerous cell, because you have to keep the relation with the whole and when this starts happening, then you develop horrible disease called as cancer. Its absolute [UNCLEAR]. Every day you are bringing up cancer, every day we are solving it. But that is done through the central part which is manifested with parasympathetic nervous system which gives us all the balance, all the harmony, all the supply of energy. But the energy is limited and if you use it too much, then any disease which is, which is manifested because of a malfunction of these centers [UNCLEAR]. If you could keep these centers alright then there could not be any disease. There could not be any madness or lunacy and all these imbalances, but you would be a very pleasant nice person just like a flower. Let the flower remain as it is at the [UNCLEAR]. Because that is innately built to be in every person to become fruit. This is Sahaja Yoga, this is the promise of God. Sahaja is with you, spontaneously going to work out this process of becoming the fruit giving you your own [UNCLEAR joy]. It will work out if you are not [UNCLEAR medaled] too much. But perhaps it is rather difficult, after a certain age to find [UNCLEAR with you] who have not done. Some of them are Romeos, or some of them are great seekers you see they have taken to horrible methods of seeking like standing on their heads all their life, standing on their feet or do all kinds of funny stuff. You must have seen Hippy dancing in the Oxford street or doing all other nonsensical thing. [UNCLEAR Not good]. You give up your family you become a Sanyasi, you become this and develop a, shave off your head and put a small little “choti” as you call it, behind as tail. Not necessary at all. God has not made you with your self [UNCLEAR] not [UNCLEAR]. He loves you and He loves you very, very [UNCLEAR] and he wants you to enjoy yourself. He has made your instrument in such a manner that you are going to enjoy yourself. This is the way he wants you to look at yourself. And when you start torturing yourself what should we call. There is no torture needed at all. People have another idea that you must suffer if you have to go to God. I don’t imagine such a thing, I mean that is the greatest insult to God. God wants you to be happy, to be joyous completely one with yourself. He doesn’t want you to be unhappy by any chance. Only thinking that if you have to be one to Him then you should be [UNCLEAR clearing chakras]. You need not do anything extra ordinary. It is a simple thing which I do not know why people require so much of explanation. Supposing you are going in a boat, now you go and sit on one side, if you sit on the outside it will topple down. You sit in the center. Everyone understands that if you are in the center you are just there on your gravity and you have your own sustenance quite intact. But it happens like that. Moreover, it is not an artificial thing by which you can work it out. For example, it will work out in some people, it may not work out in some people. It may take some time with some people, it may not take time at all. But when it happens, what happens is that I think I should not tell you. Because that you should see for yourself and you should know that when it happens with you, you start feeling cool vibrations slowly [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR and feet also hands], you find a cool breeze flowing forward. But if it is not flowing then, you, it is not a thing of pride but on the contrary you should come back and get it again, establish and have it. That’s the thing. If you are really the seeker there is no [UNCLEAR strategy, it is your right to have it]. And this is a very simple thing. It has to be so very and simple. How can it be complicated? because it is essential. It is the most important thing that’s why it has to be extremely simple. Supposing our breathing, you have to do by reading books, what would have happened? So, by reading books you cannot get. It is so important, just like our breathing, so how can it be difficult? How can it be a hazardous? It has to be simplest, but we have made ourselves upside down, topsy-turvy. What can one do about it. See only thing you can try is to put it straight and work it out. There is no use doubting anything about it. Because by doubting what have you achieved? The first thing that comes to people is doubting. Now if you understand there is nothing is selling here. No, it is not. If you understand this point very well that this is not a shop. You are not selling anything here, am I? then what are we doing. It’s a gift. It’s a gift and if it’s a gift you are not going to doubt it. If you are going to doubt it then you sit down with your doubts and go on convincing yourself. But that doesn’t mean that you blindly follow me. It will happen to you. If it happens well and good if it will not happen you are willing to work it. Now, you are not to work it, till you get it [UNCLEAR and see you] have got it like a swimmer who knows how to swim can only say. But those who do not know how to swim keeps it quiet and [UNCLEAR]. It is so simple as that. But there is nothing to feel also [UNCLEAR] that if I say this, you go to [UNCLEAR Brahmacharya]. Nothing to feel bad about it. Because after all, all of us have to go to the other side of the road. So, it’s already question of how you cross it and how you land. Those who know the art can do it for you and then you just take their course and then you do it for others. It’s very simple, like one light enlightens another light. Now the light which is not enlightened cannot be enlightened by itself. But what is the obligation of the light which is enlightened, see now no obligations, come on. So, one should not also feel obliged, one should not even feel that some great work has been done, neither one should feel also sort of dominated. It’s a very free thing, it has to be absolutely accepted in your own freedom and in absolutely in your own seeking. There cannot be any force about it. You have to ask for it, you have to ask for it. If you do not ask for it nobody is going to fall at your feet and say sir please have it. Of course, being a Mother, I will try to tell you stories and give you some chocolate but it has its own protocol. And one has to go with that protocol and must know we are asking for a Supreme. We are asking for the Supreme joy. For what you are, what you have received and you should, you must, that is your right and you must have your right. But in a proper way. If there is any question you ask me because it’s a very big subject. You know that I have, must have given them eighty-four lectures and this is now the eighty fifth here in this hall. So, you can imagine how big is the subject if you go into details. But just now, I think it’s so sufficient just to give a introduction of subject. Now, if you have any question please ask, but ask sensible question, thank you. Cannot think, [UNCLEAR, cannot think that happens]. You see when the Kundalini comes up over the Angya you just cannot think. The thoughtless, thoughtless awareness. [UNCLEAR That’s], what you call the Nirvachar Samadhi, [UNCLEAR sets]. Interaction with Seekers Seeker: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: How do you, How do you feel? Seeker: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: We know you have a problem [UNCLEAR, my child]. [UNCLEAR, That’s it that’s keeping it out]. You got your realization alright but [UNCLEAR, it was little mistake] alright? You are alright, you will get it as soon as the problem goes away you will get it. Getting now? Are you getting? Seeker: Yeah Shri Mataji: Much better, your shaking is much better? [UNCLEAR, what is it doing?], still shaking? Equally? Feel the [UNCLEAR] You are feeling the cool breeze [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR, surrounding you]. So, feel it comforting you. It is surrounding all. It’s all over. It’s just there, it works out everything. [UNCLEAR, laughing] [UNCLEAR Shri Mataji: How are you Simon? Seeker: Fine Shri Mataji: Put your hands towards me [UNCLEAR, like this] [UNCLEAR] Just close your eyes. Now what is going to happen to you. First of all, if you watch your thoughts, most of you will feel that there is no thought in your mind. Most of you, I would not say all of you but most of you are feeling there is no thought. If you see, that what your mind if thinking, you will think that it is blank. Then, after some time you will feel cool breeze flowing. Flowing [UNCLEAR] Now, at one of your centers you see [UNCLEAR, stopping most of the places now] Thing is, you have to forgive others. When you are asking for the supreme you must forgive them, forgiveness is very important. Because it’s a myth to remember what others have done to you. Just forgive others. Just forgive them. It’s only saying that you forgive. Actually, by not forgiving or forgiving you don’t do anything. [UNCLEAR, though] you only play in their hands when you don’t forgive. [UNCLEAR why are you shaking] [UNCLEAR] Put your left hand on your liver this side. Left hand. Can you feel it? [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] Are you getting [UNCLEAR] Hamsa, have you been doing Pranayama? [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] That’s it, [UNCLEAR went] to another extreme. Are you getting anything [UNCLEAR]. You, are you alright now? [UNCLEAR] Put your left hand on your liver. Your liver. Left hand. [UNCLEAR Cathy] can you check? [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] You did hatha yoga also? [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] See it’s a very wrong concept of hatha yoga we have here. It’s only physical, it’s not physically [UNCLEAR] did Patanjali Sastanga two simultaneously. It’s to be done when you are leading a very celibate life in a jungle with your Guru. From 5 to 25 years of age. But this one is only meant for becoming actors and actresses. Shri Mataji Laughing. [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR Now I think if you can get in and see their vibrations]. Now you all, new people do not get disturbed, these people will just come and feel your vibrations, that’s all. You just keep quiet and close your eyes. They’ll just come and feel your vibrations. [UNCLEAR if you are in trouble close your eyes] Just close your eyes and just can’t be disturbed, they will not touch you. Swadishthan, ok. You feel so different on the face itself. Showing on the face itself, you see, relax. Enjoy yourself. Seeker: [UNCLEAR I have little trouble hearing you] [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] [UNCLEAR] Mother talking with yogis and laughing. [UNCLEAR]

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5/24/1979

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Seeking and Rationality

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Seeking and rationality, London (UK), 24 May 1979. [Part 1] Everytime we have some people who are new and I have to come with the introduction of the subject. After, all it’s the subject of the Absolute Knowledge. And, if I suddenly start-off, then, it will be difficult for you to follow it. Though, through rationality, you can not understand it, it is not a subject which can be discussed or if you think by discussing or talking about it, you will reach somewhere then you are suddenly mistaken. That’s how people have been doing it, all the time, they have been talking, talking, talking, talking. And, this talking has lead you nowhere. For example, one can give a big surmon, as how you should be? Or, how I should be? And may go on and on like that from generations to generations. And, people in search of Truth, do take to it easily, because they are searching whatever they get, they say, “all right. let’s have it”. And, there has been curricular force which has been guiding them throughout in their search, of which they may not be aware of. And, that’s why, they have been denying one after another. All such people, all such organizations, which have not been able to give you the actualization of the Experience, and that is what it is, one has to ask for. Now, it has been said in all the scriptures that you are to be twice born. Now, what is that, it has been said that you have to know yourself. The rest of it, has no meaning. Now, if they have said it, either, they were wrong, they were fraudulent ,or they were genuinely correct. So, we come to a point, where we have to see whether, really such a thing like, second birth happens or not? Does it happen?, or it is just a myth, people are talking about? Are we looking out for something that is mythical or really there is something like second birth within us. There is no religion, no religion I’m saying, which has not talked of your second birth. But, how to achieve it?, how to get it? All of them have said, that you maintain your sustenance, you maintain your equilibrium. I am not talking about the organizations that we have built up, all these so called religious faiths that they have. I am talking in the essence of every religion that we have to just stabilize ourselves and wait and it will work out. So, all these promises were given to us by people who are still, till today, are respected, and are called as they say, “Sons of God” or incarnations, with such great names. They could not have told all us a lie. All right, then, we go out for searching the Truth. We go out with our mind, our rationality in the modern times especially. We depend on our rationality. We go on moving in this direction in every enterprise, every enterprise, we move into is through our mind. And, if you see it closely and clearly, you will find that this mind moves in a linear line, it does not behave like a living thing, like a living organism, which moves in all directions, in proportion to others, in proportion to the Whole. So, our mind is not connected with the Whole, if it was, you would not have all the problems like you have affluence money, you have pollution. Everything, that you do, ends up into a downward curve, because you have to face many problems. So, this mind is not the instrument that gives you the awareness of the Whole. May be, because of certain past experiences, you may be aware of, or not, I would not say aware, but that you can think about the common problems, the common difficulties, but still you are not aware of the whole. So, there is a difference between thinking and awareness. Awareness is that, we are aware that, there is light, we are aware, there is sun, still, in the sky. We are not thinking about it. But, we are aware. But, I am not talking of Awareness, I am talking of Actualization, of Enlightenment. So, we move from one stage, where we think, rationalize, then we move to another stage, where we are aware. And, the third stage, where we are enlightened. At least, minimum three stages, with this rationality of ours, which is limited, we can.think of. Rationality has had all the times, since we are being human beings for ages now, living with your ego. It is so much connected, it has been so much in association with your ego, ego. And, that there has been a lot of rapport between your rationality & your ego. You can not separate both of them. So, there is also a muddle about it, whether, you are thinking through your ego or you are thinking through your rationality? Is it pure rationality or your Ego is on top of your rationality? Now, when there is such a muddle within our minds, How can we say that, we believe in rationality of everything, when your Rationality itself is not established? Now, if we take to our rationality, how far are we developed in our rationality? Let us see. Of course, it is not perfect, this you know, this you will have to admit. If we leave our ego, little bit on one side, that whatever we try to rationalize, we do not reach the perfect conclusions. All kinds of problems, you start with democracy, you start with communism, you start with any enterprise, you do, you get into troubles. That means your rationality is not yet perfected. What is the disease of your rationality, is your ego to begin with. And, second is immaturity of your rationality. Because, if you are matured enough, you should be able to tell through your rationality, why there is gravity, why there are vibrations in the molecules, say of Sulphur Dioxide. The Sulphur and Oxygen, both are vibrating all the time, all the time, with a particular frequency. Why? You can not answer even one “why” through your rationality? So, where is the rationality? Still, you take everything for granted. Whatever is discovered, is not through your rationality. It is dawned upon you. And, your rationality has accepted, [unclear is a different point. But, you can not give “Why” of anything. If you accept this, I can tell you, our ego can little bit go down. Then, you start separating between the two, very easily. When, we will realise, that we can not give answers to any “Why”, whatsoever. Why are you made a human being? Simple question. We take for granted. Oh, we are human being. But, why are you human being? Why from amoeba, you are made a human being? When you can not answer these questions, then we take it for granted, is a good thing. In a way, it’s a good thing to take certain things for granted. But, if you try to rationalize everything, you will go mad. Because, your rationality is not that much developed, is not mature, is not yet enlightened. But, through rationality, you realize something. You realise something that certain things, you have to understand beyond rationality. Certain things, you can not rationalize. You do it, every day to day talks, you do it. I do not know, If you were perfectly rationalized, you should know everything. But, it’s a common thing, we say to people, “I do not know”. And, people do not mind, if this answer is given. We say, “All right, he does not know, so finished”. That means, one does not know, that, “I” is not known to you, to your rationality. If it is no to your rationality, then you are an Enlightened person. Like, you are a human being, alright, and you have a human awareness. So, you know upto a point. That is, supposing, you know this window, alright. I will say, I know this window. Alright. But, I am not that window, because, I know it. It is I, who has to know the window. So, I am different, otherwise, if I am not separated from the window, how will I know the window? Then, I say, I know my body, alright, that means I am not this body. Even people say, I know my mind, so that means, you are not even your mind. That means, you are not your rationality. So, you come to a point, where you realize, that there is something, like this Mr. I, within we, which knows everything, but, this rationality does not that “I”. So, we come to a point, where we realize, that there is something lacking, that a connection between I and rationality, is not yet established. Could be anything. But, there is an ignorance, that if we accept, then it’s easy to go further with this limited rationality, that we have got. But, first, let us accept that this rationality, can not know that “I”. “So,then what do you do with this?”. Suppose, you want to fly. I am talking of flying into the space of the Eternal Love of God. Don’t believe me, but say, I am talking about it. Now, if you have a car, which can only move in a one line, you cannot [unclear]. So, you have to develop an aeroplane out of that car of yours. Unless and until, you have your rationality enlightened, you cannot go further, which shows that human awareness, which have given us this rationality, which is not absolute, because everybody has a different type of an approach and attitude. If it was not so, we would have been all the same, no problems, no wars, nothing, no questions, no quarrelling. But, here, two people cannot live without quarrelling. This is the condition. With the rationality, the way we are, we cannot see each others point of view, for a long time. So what do we do? How do we solve this problem? So, let us see, go back to our old question, why a human being has been made out of amoeba? How do we solve the problem? How do we answer this question? That, we have become human beings from amoeba stage. is a fact. But, how have we become? Let’s go with our rationality on this subject, it’s very interesting. Now, there must be some logic about it. You see, because rationality also give you the side effects of it. First of them is, that there is must be some logic in becoming human being from amoeba. And, the way, it has moved. Nobody, has put in any efforts, you have not put in any efforts. And you are a beautiful human being. So, what efforts will be needed to become that higher being. If it has to be something like an Enlightened rationality, that I am talking of. No efforts, should be required if we logically see that, from amoeba to this stage, for years together, the whole process has been worked out within putting any effort, by the person who is transformed. So, no effort is required for a person who wants to be transformed. That is one thing very simple. I tell you, all lazy people should say, “Oh God, Thank”. But, there is some place, where you get something without doing work. But, that’s rather difficult to accept this proposition. That, you can get it without doing any work, whatsoever. But, do we know that we have already got so many things without doing any effort? Like, you are breathing just now normally. You are digesting your food, listening to me, you are seeing me. And, all your body is working out. Your heart is pumping the blood. Everything is happening without you doing anything about it. When we see this, then we realize that if it the most important thing that is to happen. Then, it has to happen spontaneously, like a living process of sprouting of a seed. Now, sprouting of a seed, how can you rationalize? Again, we come back to rationality, because, I know, this a very common topic. How do you rationalize a sprouting of a seed? How does it sprout? See the incapability of this rationality, that It can not transform one flower, one flower into a fruit. Then, how can you understand God or anything divine with thinking? You can’t. The one who is doing these things, thousand of these things, million and billions of these things, how can you understand that personality, if it so, through your rationality? You can not do it. So, the best thing people do, is to negate, negate, then we can not understand, what to do? Just negate God. But, only the human beings have believed in God, why? not the animals? We have ourselves discovered God or believed into some people, who have talked about God, and that we say, there is God. Now, you negate God, now, what is the ultimate? What you get out of it, by negating? What do we get out of all our rational enterprises? What we have got? Are we happy people? Have we find out our meanings? Have we got our fulfilment? We haven't got it. Let us accept it. So, Something has to happen and we are looking forward to it. That’s why, we say, that people are seeking. We are looking forward to it in a very unconscious way. It is all the time in our mind. But, there is something, will happen in us. Something, that connection, which has not clicked so far. We are aware of it. And, this awareness is responsible for the seeking of the people. Now, the second point of it, would be easier to understand, that whatever, I am telling you about, you may now just now, know about it. And also, you may find it rather difficult to believe into it. I am not saying you should take it for granted, not at all. But, you have to keep yourself open, as if to a hypothesis. Now, have you got something within us, an instrument, by which, we get that enlightenment in our rationality? Is there any width, that gets enlightened, within us, by which our rationality, feels enlightened. I would, “Say, yes there is”. Now, you need not accept. In all the scriptures, it is been described. In the Bible, it is been described, that I will appear before you, like tongues of flames I would say, anyone of these people, who are talking of Christianity. Let them explain, what it is? They cannot. Because, they have not yet actualized the second birth. Anyone, who is following Islam, if they could say, what is to be a “Peer”? And, how it happens? I would really accept them, as realised souls. Or, even if they could explain the symbolic expression of the Namaz [unclear, could be exit]. They are just doing it, because it is told. What is the significance of this Namaz? What is the advantage of this Namaz? What part of being is enlightened by this Namaz? They do not know. In the same way, any hindu, if he could explain to me, the symbolic meaning of the mantras, like ”AIM REEM KLEEM”, what does this mean? any of the mantras. What are mantras? What do they achieve? Then, I would accept it. But, they are just doing it, because it has been plotted out for them. They are going the straight forward march on the line, that is made. Though, I would say, in religion, we have to be rational, but which way? When we come to religion either, we accept it, absolutely without rationality, or we negate it, out of rationality. To accept anything, without rationality, is also not sensible, not to negate it absolutely, because your rationality is also not wise. You have to see. Keep your rationality alert. And to see, actually, if such a happening, then take place within you. And, if I say that “yes”. This will happen to all of you, has to happen. The time has come. The blossom time has come. And, many are going to be converted into their fruits. They will have their fulfillment. I mean it. But, as I again requested you not to believe me what, I am saying. But, not to deny me also, because you cannot rationalize. It’s a happening. it's a living happening and that happening takes place, because, we have an instrument. Now, instrument, what we understand, is a dead thing. But, if you understand the word plumule. If you understand the sprouting, germinating part of the seed, we have within us, germinating part, which connects with the mains. We have got it. Now, there is a complete mechanism, built within us, in course of our revolution, and these subtle centers are placed within us. They all exist at different levels. First, in a medulla oblongata, then in the brain and here [unclear]. This is the instrument, which you see, such a beautiful picture. That is within us, kept already, to be started, to be ignited. And the cord, that is going to connect us, to the mains, is there coiled up into the 3 and 1/2 coil. When this rises upwards, then you pass through various levels of awareness. First, from the gross, the gross, we see the fruit. We see the mother earth, let us take the mother earth. From gross to subtle, what is the subtle of mother earth?, is fragnance. We pass to the subtle, then we pass to the cause of it. Into the cause, what is the cause of mother earth? The cause of mother earth is the access, it has. We have got our access and in the same way, when we go to the cause of our being, we go to that access. We are attracted towards that access. That is, what is the central part. And, ultimately, we go to the primordial cause. And, what is the primordial cause? that is placed within us, is the spirit. Is the spirit, which is the reflection of God Almighty. It’s the tremendous thing. It’s a very very deep thing. And, when it is worked out with effort, many Gurus, and very real ones, I am saying, I am not talking of the horrible ones, but the real ones, who have been working in the forests and the Great people like Moses, Abraham, all these people. They knew, how difficult, it was to raise the Kundalini. This coiled thing, gradually, one after another. And, the detailed description of this, is so horrified, that people get a fright. Actually, when Kundalini rises, normally, by effort of people, who are authorized to do it, is such a slow movement, that, at any centre, where, there is any escape, any weakness, the attention immediately goes on the side, from the cause, from the centre. Once, it moves to the centre, you start getting all kinds of visions. This is for our Sahaja Yogis, this part is. That, every time, you get your introduction in different ways, but so. And, these are different levels at which you start rising in your awareness. And, the whole rising of kundalini up to the fontanel bone and piercing of that, in itself is such a dynamic process. That, we are not even aware, what has happened to us. Absolutely, we are not aware to, what it has achieved. Of course, when I will be on monday, in the ashram, I will give you all the details about it. But just now, for the new people also, I would like to say, though, it is so spontaneous, it is so simple. But, it is a very dynamic thing. It’s all dimensional working, which makes the kundalini rise. But, it has happened now. You should not be very shocking to see, a simple housewife, who has found out this method. I mean, that should not really jaar you too much, that, I am a very very simple housewife. That should not upset you very much too. That, If, I have found out a method, say, for example. Say, by which, one can get a amass actualization of breaking through into the unconscious. One should not, I feel be upset. May be, sometimes, very simple, useless people, find something genuine. May be, the great, may not be able to find something, which, very ordinary, may find, for example, if you see, the life of Christ. What was he? A carpenter’s son. having only two ropes, to cover his body. What was his mother? Uneducated woman. If you, see Krishna, what was he? He was the one, who was playing with the cow, a cowboy. What was their background, as far as, the rationality was concerned? So, if somebody finds the thing, it should not upset anyone. You could have found it. And, I would have been, actually in your seat, I don’t mind. I could have been better, I tell you. To find something like that, is a big headache. I can tell you. Then, to tell, that, I have found out it, is a greater headache. You must wear a helmet for a thing like that, when you are saying it. And, to announce it to many, then you had it. Thank God, nobody has stopped of specification till today about me. But, you can be in for any trouble whatsoever, if you say so. But, there are many who say, who have their found. Then, what to do? You find yourself in a mess. So, what have they found it? And, what do you have to find, is on one simple thing, you should decide. That, have you been able to get your own power? Is your rationality enlightened? If not, better get it enlightened and see for yourself, is a simple thing, is extremely simple. And, there is nothing to feel upset about it. Because, it is simple love. I should have contained with my findings, would have been much easier for me, because, I am a happily married woman, with all conveniences of life. But, this love, I do not know, I cannot keep it to myself. I have to give you. I have to give you. I wish, I could remain without disturbing you, but I have to. And, if that, is the way of looking at things. If you could accuse some of the things, that you may have to face. Because, you have to face that you haven’t got it as yet, which may be painful to some. That, you have not found it as yet. You should understand, that it is in no way, to belittle you. But, to tell you that it is for all of you, I have found it. May be, that I am the one, who is crucified for all of you. Now, you better have it. Until and unless, you have it, I am not going to feel alright. It's a very very simple thing. And, as soon as, I entered into the hall, I did feel the rationality, looking at me, with that critical eye, and I started of with that. But, I would request you to relax, just relax. It's not that difficult. You will be amazed, the things that we described as very difficult. See sometimes, when I read these books which are being written about Kundalini, I get a shock of my life. I said, those who must have read this, would never see my face again. It's a very simple thing. It's a simplest and it will work out within you, no doubt. But, after working it out, you have to know, what powers you have got, how to ascertain it, and how to work out it, which is very very important part of it. If you can not do that, then, you will be again lost. I would request you, even after getting realisation. Try to come and understand the whole mechanism within you. Mastery, and you are the one who, is going to give life to thousands. It is through your light, people are going to be awakened. So, understand your values that, you are enlightened for a purpose. And, that purpose is to enlighten others. And, by which, you are going to help them, mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually. Apart from that, they are going to play as the instruments of God, understanding all His powers, flowing through you, through your rationality. Your rationality is going to see itself. It’s going to watch it. That, yes, the power is flowing through me. I can see. I can cure others. I am cured. I am going to do this. I am going to achieve this. And, you are going to feel that bliss and joy within yourself. I would like today, for you people to ask me some questions. Because, I still find, there are some questions, lingering behind the mind. Of course, the questions, as I said, are again worse, worse, worse, worse, worse. You can make a pyramid out of it, you see. And, the whole thing will fall down just like that. But, still, if there are sensible questions, so very good to raise. I would love to answer, all of them. Because, I am here, first to satisfy. Then, when you are satisfied about it, to give you, what you have within you, just your own key, of your own greatness, of your own glory, of your own powers. Nothing, more than that. Because, sort of, I feel like a trustee of those keys with me. Or, I know, where they ly. On Kundalini, they have got very good hand outside thing, I hope, they have brought some. And, moreover, Monday and Sunday, I will be in the Ashram. And, those, who have come for the first time, can come in the evening there. And, we can talk about it more, and you can, sort of, absolutely stabilize your realisation. May God bless you. We will have that session after, you have asked me questions. Thank you very much. [Part 2] Question asked by Sahaja Yogi : (Voice is not clear) Shri Mataji : Yes, yes. It is all right. It can come from anyone. It can enter into you through any forces. It is very true. I mean, they can. See,until and unless,absolutely,you are a hippopotamus. You cannot get rid of it. But, you have to become that cow in Sahaja Yoga. Once, you are back, no negative energy can disturb you. But, of course, it can. That is a magnificent thing. Isn’t it? So, I would say, will talk about it later, Will you come to the Ashram? You see, because, I know, I will talk about negative thing later will, alright, how how they work out, and how they are horribly attacking us. And, how we have to look after, for realised souls, you see.Only Until and unless, you are realised, it is rather difficult. You can not do that. But, now you know that. And, there are negative forces, there are. We are everyday clearing the mass, you see, in the programs, and all, they are pulled from here. The other day, we had a boy, who started a fighting here and he got really mad but he will be alright, I am sure he will be alright he is not a bad person it is some bad or negative forces it's true but how to find out and all that we have lots of fighting methods and this greatest contribution is done by Mohammed saheb himself,he has given lot of ways and methods real those ones to remove those things and how we have to look for realised souls he has really done a good job And the greatest mantra this is Lord’s prayer because Christ is the one who removes all our negativities so Lord's prayer is best for keeping agnya chakra open after realisation.Before realisation it has no meaning it's just words, words and words.After realisation lord's prayer is very good and Of course you must have detailed idea about the whole thing and that's the way it should be. Sahaja Yogi:{Question voice not audible} Shri Mataji:No, I would not say it's a maturity ,some people mature just like that they mature so fast it is so surprising and some of them do not they take time.for example the kundalini breakthrough may comes out may come out and give vibrations then the second state starts when you get thoughtless awareness with that absolutely get relaxed and first shot is very very big good experience for so many of them but then what happens is that you have problems in your chakras so kundalini which is just waiting up she will shoots up but it goes back then start supplying to different chakras which has problem when such a thing start You start doubting ,you go in doubting stage.When such a stage start you go into doubting awareness when it is a slow moving thing say from here I have to go to America you can go straight otherwise if it is slow moving thing you may go by a ship touching all the ports so if it is a slow moving thing then may be maturity takes its time .But in sahaja yoga in a first shot kundalini rises just like that shoots but in second shot goes back and then slowly ,slowly comes up enlightening all the chakras and looking after them physically helping them and some people have mental problems solving them and things like that .At this time naturally a person start doubting then this doubting makes the movement of the kundalini is poor,very poor but What is the solution for this?If this is not your first experience ,Is to if you remember your first experience then you will not{voice unclear} ,so this question of doubting is very common ,where people use their rationality too much.Ohh Because I had vibrations first so what finish. because you have known that this is ocean of knowledge so you come to this,come to this you even facts and all you have to move around and find out .After realisation all the areas of your being fully and you are going to be masters chosen to be that .But you are chosen to be that what is there to be doubting what do I get? every time you asked what do I get out of it why I doubt let's go forward again.What do I get if I go backward Ido not again you go forward again you go forward and you will find really you have found something that you will never get its fantastic,it's all dimensional growth which we cannot otherwise achieved by our thinking, by our effort. Sahaja Yogi : (Question Voice is not clear) Shri Mataji:You have gone in a doubt??What faith you have? What is alright? Let’s rationalise,the way you live you feel it's alright.If you think like that is alright but what is the meaning of it also because even if you are alright but why you have become human beings that's the point after all .Have you be able to answer through your life?Why are you here on this Earth? But for what maybe you are alright say for example here is an instrument but why it is here its a point,alright its a point..If you think like that what is the positive.If he thinks by coming here he becomes negative so what is the positive how you will understand because you haven’t had any experiences,if you have any experience and you work it out then outside only you started giving all things you are not been.Suppose you are not been to Paris and I say oh I think Paris is the worst place so what you will say to that Mother has not been fair.So,I can say same about you but I would not .I have accepted you as you are.I have to work it out,not you.You don't know by doubting, you are not going to help me in an way.There are many who will tell Mother has to work very hard for the negativity.(voice missing) So,by doing this I mean first of all one must know there is no obligation on me if you have come here by any chance.First to realise this then start coming here.It's a big time. What are you going to give me?just think like that.What you are going to give me by saying that I feel negative.You are not going to be certified about it.What is your credibility.What are you going to give me?Nothing.I am saying I am going to give you a gift so what's the use of saying that I do not believe it suppose I said I got a diamond ring which I am going to give you.You will come all the way from Australia running then you will not ask a question now this is the rationality,see.you understand. So think first,understand this is your own power,do not cheat yourself,do not go against yourself You have nothing to lose,I have nothing to gain out of it simple thing if you understand it just think of it without feeling hurt. Another question asked by sahaja yogi:(voice not audible) Why I am doing it because that is done for all of you that's all. I get my fulfilment.Everything is not done in the same way as human beings do.Why did Christ get crucified?Can you answer that question?What did he get out of crucification it?Why does sun shines?What does it get out of shining?Why does a candle burn?What does it get out of burning?Everything is not done for some gain.It's only human beings who want everything out of everything.What does animals expects from you?Why it is put in here ?What's the use of everything?Why it is for ?(voice unclear) What have you given to nature that has created you?After realisation you can but before that?.What have you given to society which has created?Just tell me.So there is a nature also so abundance just so beautiful.What do we do?God has given us so much.What we give to God?What thing we can give to God?What do we have, that can be given?There are some things which are done just for you.There some things to take, life is made like that.What does a mother expects from a baby? I Don't know about the modern one?What he can give?This is not economic enterprise al right.,understand,good. Question by Sahaja yogi:(voice not audible) Shri Mataji It's a very good question.If I start speaking of that already I am gone into the negative forces I do not know where i will be landing it's a very good question which you want to know..I would like to answer this question when we meet in Ashram.If I start talking of Lord Krishna,I would be bit lengthy.Something that is endless.Lets go slowly slowly to it. I know that's a its very good question.Because I have talked of Sat-Chit-Ananda but not of Shri Krishna so much so far.I have on about Vishuddhi Chakra but I have to take on it also,didn't talk about Him.As we know to have as you said there are stages or not?It's not the question of stages but there are people you see people get realisation alright, they have the vibrations know about chakras.But with the ego-oriented society like today what happens is people start drifting with their doubts first of all even if they do not drift difficult to accept what is sahaja yoga is.All this takes time,time has to be given,no doubt some people do not, that's why I would not like to expose everyone of you to that kind of the Whole thing but as hypocrisy you will be definitely seeing all that now because now you have opened out your eyes you can see light ,you can bear particular light of a particular intensity and when you open your eyes more and you can bear more when you have strength to bear it,then you should see more light because I do not want that you should again be lost because you cannot face the truth with that intensity and that's the reason we have done that way.Gradually only with six people worked on them initially and gradually and gradually we had to work it out because I have seen that the way people have reacted.It doesn't help them much but it has gradually helped them if they are exposed to the truth that as much as they can absorb.It’s like a little child you see,you have changed the mixture of water and milk how it cooks than you can give pure milk because it can digest. There is a another thing which I have to tell you that for reality you have to face that with the boldness one thing. Another thing is that when you see reality coming to it, you don’t depend on your feelings so called but on the vibratory awareness that you have achieved not on feelings I feel like that now you have been feeling like that so what you have achieved it so far your feelings have not been enlightened but only vibarory awaereness by which you get your vibrations,only through that you should see everything because it's a new awareness because so many people says I feel like that it Are we enlightened?It have no meaning how do you feel, why you feel like that, has no meaning it's just a realm of the brain.It must be something absolute and that just what happens. Enlightened means you that know everything in an absolute way, there is no second way,whatever you know is through your vibatrory awareness is a absolute truth like somebody believes in God somebody don’t believe in God,you cannot explain thats I feel, why he feel, he is also a human being so your feeling has no meaning but we just say because I feel some don’t think that you have achieved. Question asked by Sahaja yogi (voice not audible) Shri Mataji:What language you speak?Greek??That is too much for me Greek and Latin said to be most difficult language.But there is no language for love,I know vibratory awareness,there’s no language it is the absolute language it works out So .you can ask question about Christ you can ask question on your vibratory awareness.Ask any question about Him,Was he the Son of God Almighty?It's a great question ask with the protocol because he is not standing on the street,just to ask a question ask with a protocol.Was he the Son of God almighty? Most of you will feel it but those who haven't got vibratory awareness cannot feel it. And also these negativities that you have said things about doubting business which is all the time waiting at the doorstep but you have to be bold about it .Greeks can ask what so pity an Incarnation of Primordial Master .His birthday was celebrated the other day that day,I was so very happy, extremely happy.Anthony and andrew bought some flowers to me and said to me today is his birthday,I was so very happy all the time.Was he the incarnation of our sustenance ? Is he within us who looks after our sustenance . he was not the property of Greek?He is everybody’s property which is on this Earth.He existed. Ask such questions which can be answered only on vibaratory awareness.As a person that’s the trouble with everybody,that's it ,see ,that’s the trouble with human beings.(Shri Mataji laughs) Christ they don’t think much of him now they think because he is no more.Not even one educated person went to Him not one.As a person they don’t think much of Socrates did they?Every word that Socrates had said is absolute truth.These are the human beings who are evaluating Him what is their measure,then they crucified Christ and think that they have done the greatest job.Some of you might have been at that time,also there and some of you might have been helplessly watching the whole thing must have been redoing that but knew not doing the right thing but couldn't help it Let us not do it same again,let us keep ourselves open,because you have nothing to lose again. So,Should we go ahead now?You have to just put your hands like this, because all your points, centres are here. All the seven centres are here.And left and right sympathetic nervous system both are expressed on your fingertips here and here.There are seven chakras 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,and when you keep your hands towards me actually through these centres information goes inside these centres and then kundalini rises with the invitation of the vibrations.When vibrations go in side they invite kundalini to rise.She knows now she has rise out of joy just out of joy like a river when she knows, sees the sea,she hears the voice of sea,she rushes.In the same way kundalini flows it happens like that and I hope it is going to happen to all of yours ,rest that you have to assure .But I cannot your sa about stabilisation.That stabilising you have to work it out.Before realisation you don't have to do anything but after realisation you have to stabilise yourself,may be some percentage will not require anything but same way. Question asked by new seeker(voice not audible) Shri Mataji: Let’s have it,so many are anxious to have it and there is a big lecture on that,I think I have spoke for three hours on that topic ,I don’t mind speaking again and also you can feel it.Now self is the one that is in your heart,that is reflection of the Divine which you realise to know yourself.You will know what you are,all your centres ,know centres of others and power of self is pulsation of vibration which will flow through which you will know everything that you have not known it so far.Self-realisation is a simple thing.In very simple words is the connection of your attention into the Divine as I said there is pattern on carpet ,you cannot see the color to see the pattern not on colors that is Divine play.By Self-realisation you jump on I would say aware of that color that is all pervading which is dynamic which is God’s love becomes one with that which is self realisation and which will gradually manifest and explain itself to you.But to give complete elaborate idea about self .I will tell you later.Better get it and best is to have it. Question by new seeker:(Voice not audible) Shri Mataji: Yeah,you see you will know it whether you have got it or not once you have it,others have got it or not ,you will know.If somebody claims he is realised you will know,such a person who is self realised he would be emitting vibrations you can feel it by your vibrations.Just put your hands like this and close your eyes,no thoughts on your mind.Ask your mind what you are thinking.Close your eyes,please close your eyes.

Seeking and rationality, London (UK), 24 May 1979. [Part 1] Everytime we have some people who are new and I have to come with the introduction of the subject. After, all it’s the subject of the Absolute Knowledge. And, if I suddenly start-off, then, it will be difficult for you to follow it. Though, through rationality, you can not understand it, it is not a subject which can be discussed or if you think by discussing or talking about it, you will reach somewhere then you are suddenly mistaken. That’s how people have been doing it, all the time, they have been talking, talking, talking, talking. And, this talking has lead you nowhere. For example, one can give a big surmon, as how you should be? Or, how I should be? And may go on and on like that from generations to generations. And, people in search of Truth, do take to it easily, because they are searching whatever they get, they say, “all right. let’s have it”. And, there has been curricular force which has been guiding them throughout in their search, of which they may not be aware of. And, that’s why, they have been denying one after another. All such people, all such organizations, which have not been able to give you the actualization of the Experience, and that is what it is, one has to ask for. Now, it has been said in all the scriptures that you are to be twice born. Now, what is that, it has been said that you have to know yourself. The rest of it, has no meaning. Now, if they have said it, either, they were wrong, they were fraudulent ,or they were genuinely correct. So, we come to a point, where we have to see whether, really such a thing like, second birth happens or not? Does it happen?, or it is just a myth, people are talking about? Are we looking out for something that is mythical or really there is something like second birth within us. There is no religion, no religion I’m saying, which has not talked of your second birth. But, how to achieve it?, how to get it? All of them have said, that you maintain your sustenance, you maintain your equilibrium. I am not talking about the organizations that we have built up, all these so called religious faiths that they have. I am talking in the essence of every religion that we have to just stabilize ourselves and wait and it will work out. So, all these promises were given to us by people who are still, till today, are respected, and are called as they say, “Sons of God” or incarnations, with such great names. They could not have told all us a lie. All right, then, we go out for searching the Truth. We go out with our mind, our rationality in the modern times especially. We depend on our rationality. We go on moving in this direction in every enterprise, every enterprise, we move into is through our mind. And, if you see it closely and clearly, you will find that this mind moves in a linear line, it does not behave like a living thing, like a living organism, which moves in all directions, in proportion to others, in proportion to the Whole. So, our mind is not connected with the Whole, if it was, you would not have all the problems like you have affluence money, you have pollution. Everything, that you do, ends up into a downward curve, because you have to face many problems. So, this mind is not the instrument that gives you the awareness of the Whole. May be, because of certain past experiences, you may be aware of, or not, I would not say aware, but that you can think about the common problems, the common difficulties, but still you are not aware of the whole. So, there is a difference between thinking and awareness. Awareness is that, we are aware that, there is light, we are aware, there is sun, still, in the sky. We are not thinking about it. But, we are aware. But, I am not talking of Awareness, I am talking of Actualization, of Enlightenment. So, we move from one stage, where we think, rationalize, then we move to another stage, where we are aware. And, the third stage, where we are enlightened. At least, minimum three stages, with this rationality of ours, which is limited, we can.think of. Rationality has had all the times, since we are being human beings for ages now, living with your ego. It is so much connected, it has been so much in association with your ego, ego. And, that there has been a lot of rapport between your rationality & your ego. You can not separate both of them. So, there is also a muddle about it, whether, you are thinking through your ego or you are thinking through your rationality? Is it pure rationality or your Ego is on top of your rationality? Now, when there is such a muddle within our minds, How can we say that, we believe in rationality of everything, when your Rationality itself is not established? Now, if we take to our rationality, how far are we developed in our rationality? Let us see. Of course, it is not perfect, this you know, this you will have to admit. If we leave our ego, little bit on one side, that whatever we try to rationalize, we do not reach the perfect conclusions. All kinds of problems, you start with democracy, you start with communism, you start with any enterprise, you do, you get into troubles. That means your rationality is not yet perfected. What is the disease of your rationality, is your ego to begin with. And, second is immaturity of your rationality. Because, if you are matured enough, you should be able to tell through your rationality, why there is gravity, why there are vibrations in the molecules, say of Sulphur Dioxide. The Sulphur and Oxygen, both are vibrating all the time, all the time, with a particular frequency. Why? You can not answer even one “why” through your rationality? So, where is the rationality? Still, you take everything for granted. Whatever is discovered, is not through your rationality. It is dawned upon you. And, your rationality has accepted, [unclear is a different point. But, you can not give “Why” of anything. If you accept this, I can tell you, our ego can little bit go down. Then, you start separating between the two, very easily. When, we will realise, that we can not give answers to any “Why”, whatsoever. Why are you made a human being? Simple question. We take for granted. Oh, we are human being. But, why are you human being? Why from amoeba, you are made a human being? When you can not answer these questions, then we take it for granted, is a good thing. In a way, it’s a good thing to take certain things for granted. But, if you try to rationalize everything, you will go mad. Because, your rationality is not that much developed, is not mature, is not yet enlightened. But, through rationality, you realize something. You realise something that certain things, you have to understand beyond rationality. Certain things, you can not rationalize. You do it, every day to day talks, you do it. I do not know, If you were perfectly rationalized, you should know everything. But, it’s a common thing, we say to people, “I do not know”. And, people do not mind, if this answer is given. We say, “All right, he does not know, so finished”. That means, one does not know, that, “I” is not known to you, to your rationality. If it is no to your rationality, then you are an Enlightened person. Like, you are a human being, alright, and you have a human awareness. So, you know upto a point. That is, supposing, you know this window, alright. I will say, I know this window. Alright. But, I am not that window, because, I know it. It is I, who has to know the window. So, I am different, otherwise, if I am not separated from the window, how will I know the window? Then, I say, I know my body, alright, that means I am not this body. Even people say, I know my mind, so that means, you are not even your mind. That means, you are not your rationality. So, you come to a point, where you realize, that there is something, like this Mr. I, within we, which knows everything, but, this rationality does not that “I”. So, we come to a point, where we realize, that there is something lacking, that a connection between I and rationality, is not yet established. Could be anything. But, there is an ignorance, that if we accept, then it’s easy to go further with this limited rationality, that we have got. But, first, let us accept that this rationality, can not know that “I”. “So,then what do you do with this?”. Suppose, you want to fly. I am talking of flying into the space of the Eternal Love of God. Don’t believe me, but say, I am talking about it. Now, if you have a car, which can only move in a one line, you cannot [unclear]. So, you have to develop an aeroplane out of that car of yours. Unless and until, you have your rationality enlightened, you cannot go further, which shows that human awareness, which have given us this rationality, which is not absolute, because everybody has a different type of an approach and attitude. If it was not so, we would have been all the same, no problems, no wars, nothing, no questions, no quarrelling. But, here, two people cannot live without quarrelling. This is the condition. With the rationality, the way we are, we cannot see each others point of view, for a long time. So what do we do? How do we solve this problem? So, let us see, go back to our old question, why a human being has been made out of amoeba? How do we solve the problem? How do we answer this question? That, we have become human beings from amoeba stage. is a fact. But, how have we become? Let’s go with our rationality on this subject, it’s very interesting. Now, there must be some logic about it. You see, because rationality also give you the side effects of it. First of them is, that there is must be some logic in becoming human being from amoeba. And, the way, it has moved. Nobody, has put in any efforts, you have not put in any efforts. And you are a beautiful human being. So, what efforts will be needed to become that higher being. If it has to be something like an Enlightened rationality, that I am talking of. No efforts, should be required if we logically see that, from amoeba to this stage, for years together, the whole process has been worked out within putting any effort, by the person who is transformed. So, no effort is required for a person who wants to be transformed. That is one thing very simple. I tell you, all lazy people should say, “Oh God, Thank”. But, there is some place, where you get something without doing work. But, that’s rather difficult to accept this proposition. That, you can get it without doing any work, whatsoever. But, do we know that we have already got so many things without doing any effort? Like, you are breathing just now normally. You are digesting your food, listening to me, you are seeing me. And, all your body is working out. Your heart is pumping the blood. Everything is happening without you doing anything about it. When we see this, then we realize that if it the most important thing that is to happen. Then, it has to happen spontaneously, like a living process of sprouting of a seed. Now, sprouting of a seed, how can you rationalize? Again, we come back to rationality, because, I know, this a very common topic. How do you rationalize a sprouting of a seed? How does it sprout? See the incapability of this rationality, that It can not transform one flower, one flower into a fruit. Then, how can you understand God or anything divine with thinking? You can’t. The one who is doing these things, thousand of these things, million and billions of these things, how can you understand that personality, if it so, through your rationality? You can not do it. So, the best thing people do, is to negate, negate, then we can not understand, what to do? Just negate God. But, only the human beings have believed in God, why? not the animals? We have ourselves discovered God or believed into some people, who have talked about God, and that we say, there is God. Now, you negate God, now, what is the ultimate? What you get out of it, by negating? What do we get out of all our rational enterprises? What we have got? Are we happy people? Have we find out our meanings? Have we got our fulfilment? We haven't got it. Let us accept it. So, Something has to happen and we are looking forward to it. That’s why, we say, that people are seeking. We are looking forward to it in a very unconscious way. It is all the time in our mind. But, there is something, will happen in us. Something, that connection, which has not clicked so far. We are aware of it. And, this awareness is responsible for the seeking of the people. Now, the second point of it, would be easier to understand, that whatever, I am telling you about, you may now just now, know about it. And also, you may find it rather difficult to believe into it. I am not saying you should take it for granted, not at all. But, you have to keep yourself open, as if to a hypothesis. Now, have you got something within us, an instrument, by which, we get that enlightenment in our rationality? Is there any width, that gets enlightened, within us, by which our rationality, feels enlightened. I would, “Say, yes there is”. Now, you need not accept. In all the scriptures, it is been described. In the Bible, it is been described, that I will appear before you, like tongues of flames I would say, anyone of these people, who are talking of Christianity. Let them explain, what it is? They cannot. Because, they have not yet actualized the second birth. Anyone, who is following Islam, if they could say, what is to be a “Peer”? And, how it happens? I would really accept them, as realised souls. Or, even if they could explain the symbolic expression of the Namaz [unclear, could be exit]. They are just doing it, because it is told. What is the significance of this Namaz? What is the advantage of this Namaz? What part of being is enlightened by this Namaz? They do not know. In the same way, any hindu, if he could explain to me, the symbolic meaning of the mantras, like ”AIM REEM KLEEM”, what does this mean? any of the mantras. What are mantras? What do they achieve? Then, I would accept it. But, they are just doing it, because it has been plotted out for them. They are going the straight forward march on the line, that is made. Though, I would say, in religion, we have to be rational, but which way? When we come to religion either, we accept it, absolutely without rationality, or we negate it, out of rationality. To accept anything, without rationality, is also not sensible, not to negate it absolutely, because your rationality is also not wise. You have to see. Keep your rationality alert. And to see, actually, if such a happening, then take place within you. And, if I say that “yes”. This will happen to all of you, has to happen. The time has come. The blossom time has come. And, many are going to be converted into their fruits. They will have their fulfillment. I mean it. But, as I again requested you not to believe me what, I am saying. But, not to deny me also, because you cannot rationalize. It’s a happening. it's a living happening and that happening takes place, because, we have an instrument. Now, instrument, what we understand, is a dead thing. But, if you understand the word plumule. If you understand the sprouting, germinating part of the seed, we have within us, germinating part, which connects with the mains. We have got it. Now, there is a complete mechanism, built within us, in course of our revolution, and these subtle centers are placed within us. They all exist at different levels. First, in a medulla oblongata, then in the brain and here [unclear]. This is the instrument, which you see, such a beautiful picture. That is within us, kept already, to be started, to be ignited. And the cord, that is going to connect us, to the mains, is there coiled up into the 3 and 1/2 coil. When this rises upwards, then you pass through various levels of awareness. First, from the gross, the gross, we see the fruit. We see the mother earth, let us take the mother earth. From gross to subtle, what is the subtle of mother earth?, is fragnance. We pass to the subtle, then we pass to the cause of it. Into the cause, what is the cause of mother earth? The cause of mother earth is the access, it has. We have got our access and in the same way, when we go to the cause of our being, we go to that access. We are attracted towards that access. That is, what is the central part. And, ultimately, we go to the primordial cause. And, what is the primordial cause? that is placed within us, is the spirit. Is the spirit, which is the reflection of God Almighty. It’s the tremendous thing. It’s a very very deep thing. And, when it is worked out with effort, many Gurus, and very real ones, I am saying, I am not talking of the horrible ones, but the real ones, who have been working in the forests and the Great people like Moses, Abraham, all these people. They knew, how difficult, it was to raise the Kundalini. This coiled thing, gradually, one after another. And, the detailed description of this, is so horrified, that people get a fright. Actually, when Kundalini rises, normally, by effort of people, who are authorized to do it, is such a slow movement, that, at any centre, where, there is any escape, any weakness, the attention immediately goes on the side, from the cause, from the centre. Once, it moves to the centre, you start getting all kinds of visions. This is for our Sahaja Yogis, this part is. That, every time, you get your introduction in different ways, but so. And, these are different levels at which you start rising in your awareness. And, the whole rising of kundalini up to the fontanel bone and piercing of that, in itself is such a dynamic process. That, we are not even aware, what has happened to us. Absolutely, we are not aware to, what it has achieved. Of course, when I will be on monday, in the ashram, I will give you all the details about it. But just now, for the new people also, I would like to say, though, it is so spontaneous, it is so simple. But, it is a very dynamic thing. It’s all dimensional working, which makes the kundalini rise. But, it has happened now. You should not be very shocking to see, a simple housewife, who has found out this method. I mean, that should not really jaar you too much, that, I am a very very simple housewife. That should not upset you very much too. That, If, I have found out a method, say, for example. Say, by which, one can get a amass actualization of breaking through into the unconscious. One should not, I feel be upset. May be, sometimes, very simple, useless people, find something genuine. May be, the great, may not be able to find something, which, very ordinary, may find, for example, if you see, the life of Christ. What was he? A carpenter’s son. having only two ropes, to cover his body. What was his mother? Uneducated woman. If you, see Krishna, what was he? He was the one, who was playing with the cow, a cowboy. What was their background, as far as, the rationality was concerned? So, if somebody finds the thing, it should not upset anyone. You could have found it. And, I would have been, actually in your seat, I don’t mind. I could have been better, I tell you. To find something like that, is a big headache. I can tell you. Then, to tell, that, I have found out it, is a greater headache. You must wear a helmet for a thing like that, when you are saying it. And, to announce it to many, then you had it. Thank God, nobody has stopped of specification till today about me. But, you can be in for any trouble whatsoever, if you say so. But, there are many who say, who have their found. Then, what to do? You find yourself in a mess. So, what have they found it? And, what do you have to find, is on one simple thing, you should decide. That, have you been able to get your own power? Is your rationality enlightened? If not, better get it enlightened and see for yourself, is a simple thing, is extremely simple. And, there is nothing to feel upset about it. Because, it is simple love. I should have contained with my findings, would have been much easier for me, because, I am a happily married woman, with all conveniences of life. But, this love, I do not know, I cannot keep it to myself. I have to give you. I have to give you. I wish, I could remain without disturbing you, but I have to. And, if that, is the way of looking at things. If you could accuse some of the things, that you may have to face. Because, you have to face that you haven’t got it as yet, which may be painful to some. That, you have not found it as yet. You should understand, that it is in no way, to belittle you. But, to tell you that it is for all of you, I have found it. May be, that I am the one, who is crucified for all of you. Now, you better have it. Until and unless, you have it, I am not going to feel alright. It's a very very simple thing. And, as soon as, I entered into the hall, I did feel the rationality, looking at me, with that critical eye, and I started of with that. But, I would request you to relax, just relax. It's not that difficult. You will be amazed, the things that we described as very difficult. See sometimes, when I read these books which are being written about Kundalini, I get a shock of my life. I said, those who must have read this, would never see my face again. It's a very simple thing. It's a simplest and it will work out within you, no doubt. But, after working it out, you have to know, what powers you have got, how to ascertain it, and how to work out it, which is very very important part of it. If you can not do that, then, you will be again lost. I would request you, even after getting realisation. Try to come and understand the whole mechanism within you. Mastery, and you are the one who, is going to give life to thousands. It is through your light, people are going to be awakened. So, understand your values that, you are enlightened for a purpose. And, that purpose is to enlighten others. And, by which, you are going to help them, mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually. Apart from that, they are going to play as the instruments of God, understanding all His powers, flowing through you, through your rationality. Your rationality is going to see itself. It’s going to watch it. That, yes, the power is flowing through me. I can see. I can cure others. I am cured. I am going to do this. I am going to achieve this. And, you are going to feel that bliss and joy within yourself. I would like today, for you people to ask me some questions. Because, I still find, there are some questions, lingering behind the mind. Of course, the questions, as I said, are again worse, worse, worse, worse, worse. You can make a pyramid out of it, you see. And, the whole thing will fall down just like that. But, still, if there are sensible questions, so very good to raise. I would love to answer, all of them. Because, I am here, first to satisfy. Then, when you are satisfied about it, to give you, what you have within you, just your own key, of your own greatness, of your own glory, of your own powers. Nothing, more than that. Because, sort of, I feel like a trustee of those keys with me. Or, I know, where they ly. On Kundalini, they have got very good hand outside thing, I hope, they have brought some. And, moreover, Monday and Sunday, I will be in the Ashram. And, those, who have come for the first time, can come in the evening there. And, we can talk about it more, and you can, sort of, absolutely stabilize your realisation. May God bless you. We will have that session after, you have asked me questions. Thank you very much. [Part 2] Question asked by Sahaja Yogi : (Voice is not clear) Shri Mataji : Yes, yes. It is all right. It can come from anyone. It can enter into you through any forces. It is very true. I mean, they can. See,until and unless,absolutely,you are a hippopotamus. You cannot get rid of it. But, you have to become that cow in Sahaja Yoga. Once, you are back, no negative energy can disturb you. But, of course, it can. That is a magnificent thing. Isn’t it? So, I would say, will talk about it later, Will you come to the Ashram? You see, because, I know, I will talk about negative thing later will, alright, how how they work out, and how they are horribly attacking us. And, how we have to look after, for realised souls, you see.Only Until and unless, you are realised, it is rather difficult. You can not do that. But, now you know that. And, there are negative forces, there are. We are everyday clearing the mass, you see, in the programs, and all, they are pulled from here. The other day, we had a boy, who started a fighting here and he got really mad but he will be alright, I am sure he will be alright he is not a bad person it is some bad or negative forces it's true but how to find out and all that we have lots of fighting methods and this greatest contribution is done by Mohammed saheb himself,he has given lot of ways and methods real those ones to remove those things and how we have to look for realised souls he has really done a good job And the greatest mantra this is Lord’s prayer because Christ is the one who removes all our negativities so Lord's prayer is best for keeping agnya chakra open after realisation.Before realisation it has no meaning it's just words, words and words.After realisation lord's prayer is very good and Of course you must have detailed idea about the whole thing and that's the way it should be. Sahaja Yogi:{Question voice not audible} Shri Mataji:No, I would not say it's a maturity ,some people mature just like that they mature so fast it is so surprising and some of them do not they take time.for example the kundalini breakthrough may comes out may come out and give vibrations then the second state starts when you get thoughtless awareness with that absolutely get relaxed and first shot is very very big good experience for so many of them but then what happens is that you have problems in your chakras so kundalini which is just waiting up she will shoots up but it goes back then start supplying to different chakras which has problem when such a thing start You start doubting ,you go in doubting stage.When such a stage start you go into doubting awareness when it is a slow moving thing say from here I have to go to America you can go straight otherwise if it is slow moving thing you may go by a ship touching all the ports so if it is a slow moving thing then may be maturity takes its time .But in sahaja yoga in a first shot kundalini rises just like that shoots but in second shot goes back and then slowly ,slowly comes up enlightening all the chakras and looking after them physically helping them and some people have mental problems solving them and things like that .At this time naturally a person start doubting then this doubting makes the movement of the kundalini is poor,very poor but What is the solution for this?If this is not your first experience ,Is to if you remember your first experience then you will not{voice unclear} ,so this question of doubting is very common ,where people use their rationality too much.Ohh Because I had vibrations first so what finish. because you have known that this is ocean of knowledge so you come to this,come to this you even facts and all you have to move around and find out .After realisation all the areas of your being fully and you are going to be masters chosen to be that .But you are chosen to be that what is there to be doubting what do I get? every time you asked what do I get out of it why I doubt let's go forward again.What do I get if I go backward Ido not again you go forward again you go forward and you will find really you have found something that you will never get its fantastic,it's all dimensional growth which we cannot otherwise achieved by our thinking, by our effort. Sahaja Yogi : (Question Voice is not clear) Shri Mataji:You have gone in a doubt??What faith you have? What is alright? Let’s rationalise,the way you live you feel it's alright.If you think like that is alright but what is the meaning of it also because even if you are alright but why you have become human beings that's the point after all .Have you be able to answer through your life?Why are you here on this Earth? But for what maybe you are alright say for example here is an instrument but why it is here its a point,alright its a point..If you think like that what is the positive.If he thinks by coming here he becomes negative so what is the positive how you will understand because you haven’t had any experiences,if you have any experience and you work it out then outside only you started giving all things you are not been.Suppose you are not been to Paris and I say oh I think Paris is the worst place so what you will say to that Mother has not been fair.So,I can say same about you but I would not .I have accepted you as you are.I have to work it out,not you.You don't know by doubting, you are not going to help me in an way.There are many who will tell Mother has to work very hard for the negativity.(voice missing) So,by doing this I mean first of all one must know there is no obligation on me if you have come here by any chance.First to realise this then start coming here.It's a big time. What are you going to give me?just think like that.What you are going to give me by saying that I feel negative.You are not going to be certified about it.What is your credibility.What are you going to give me?Nothing.I am saying I am going to give you a gift so what's the use of saying that I do not believe it suppose I said I got a diamond ring which I am going to give you.You will come all the way from Australia running then you will not ask a question now this is the rationality,see.you understand. So think first,understand this is your own power,do not cheat yourself,do not go against yourself You have nothing to lose,I have nothing to gain out of it simple thing if you understand it just think of it without feeling hurt. Another question asked by sahaja yogi:(voice not audible) Why I am doing it because that is done for all of you that's all. I get my fulfilment.Everything is not done in the same way as human beings do.Why did Christ get crucified?Can you answer that question?What did he get out of crucification it?Why does sun shines?What does it get out of shining?Why does a candle burn?What does it get out of burning?Everything is not done for some gain.It's only human beings who want everything out of everything.What does animals expects from you?Why it is put in here ?What's the use of everything?Why it is for ?(voice unclear) What have you given to nature that has created you?After realisation you can but before that?.What have you given to society which has created?Just tell me.So there is a nature also so abundance just so beautiful.What do we do?God has given us so much.What we give to God?What thing we can give to God?What do we have, that can be given?There are some things which are done just for you.There some things to take, life is made like that.What does a mother expects from a baby? I Don't know about the modern one?What he can give?This is not economic enterprise al right.,understand,good. Question by Sahaja yogi:(voice not audible) Shri Mataji It's a very good question.If I start speaking of that already I am gone into the negative forces I do not know where i will be landing it's a very good question which you want to know..I would like to answer this question when we meet in Ashram.If I start talking of Lord Krishna,I would be bit lengthy.Something that is endless.Lets go slowly slowly to it. I know that's a its very good question.Because I have talked of Sat-Chit-Ananda but not of Shri Krishna so much so far.I have on about Vishuddhi Chakra but I have to take on it also,didn't talk about Him.As we know to have as you said there are stages or not?It's not the question of stages but there are people you see people get realisation alright, they have the vibrations know about chakras.But with the ego-oriented society like today what happens is people start drifting with their doubts first of all even if they do not drift difficult to accept what is sahaja yoga is.All this takes time,time has to be given,no doubt some people do not, that's why I would not like to expose everyone of you to that kind of the Whole thing but as hypocrisy you will be definitely seeing all that now because now you have opened out your eyes you can see light ,you can bear particular light of a particular intensity and when you open your eyes more and you can bear more when you have strength to bear it,then you should see more light because I do not want that you should again be lost because you cannot face the truth with that intensity and that's the reason we have done that way.Gradually only with six people worked on them initially and gradually and gradually we had to work it out because I have seen that the way people have reacted.It doesn't help them much but it has gradually helped them if they are exposed to the truth that as much as they can absorb.It’s like a little child you see,you have changed the mixture of water and milk how it cooks than you can give pure milk because it can digest. There is a another thing which I have to tell you that for reality you have to face that with the boldness one thing. Another thing is that when you see reality coming to it, you don’t depend on your feelings so called but on the vibratory awareness that you have achieved not on feelings I feel like that now you have been feeling like that so what you have achieved it so far your feelings have not been enlightened but only vibarory awaereness by which you get your vibrations,only through that you should see everything because it's a new awareness because so many people says I feel like that it Are we enlightened?It have no meaning how do you feel, why you feel like that, has no meaning it's just a realm of the brain.It must be something absolute and that just what happens. Enlightened means you that know everything in an absolute way, there is no second way,whatever you know is through your vibatrory awareness is a absolute truth like somebody believes in God somebody don’t believe in God,you cannot explain thats I feel, why he feel, he is also a human being so your feeling has no meaning but we just say because I feel some don’t think that you have achieved. Question asked by Sahaja yogi (voice not audible) Shri Mataji:What language you speak?Greek??That is too much for me Greek and Latin said to be most difficult language.But there is no language for love,I know vibratory awareness,there’s no language it is the absolute language it works out So .you can ask question about Christ you can ask question on your vibratory awareness.Ask any question about Him,Was he the Son of God Almighty?It's a great question ask with the protocol because he is not standing on the street,just to ask a question ask with a protocol.Was he the Son of God almighty? Most of you will feel it but those who haven't got vibratory awareness cannot feel it. And also these negativities that you have said things about doubting business which is all the time waiting at the doorstep but you have to be bold about it .Greeks can ask what so pity an Incarnation of Primordial Master .His birthday was celebrated the other day that day,I was so very happy, extremely happy.Anthony and andrew bought some flowers to me and said to me today is his birthday,I was so very happy all the time.Was he the incarnation of our sustenance ? Is he within us who looks after our sustenance . he was not the property of Greek?He is everybody’s property which is on this Earth.He existed. Ask such questions which can be answered only on vibaratory awareness.As a person that’s the trouble with everybody,that's it ,see ,that’s the trouble with human beings.(Shri Mataji laughs) Christ they don’t think much of him now they think because he is no more.Not even one educated person went to Him not one.As a person they don’t think much of Socrates did they?Every word that Socrates had said is absolute truth.These are the human beings who are evaluating Him what is their measure,then they crucified Christ and think that they have done the greatest job.Some of you might have been at that time,also there and some of you might have been helplessly watching the whole thing must have been redoing that but knew not doing the right thing but couldn't help it Let us not do it same again,let us keep ourselves open,because you have nothing to lose again. So,Should we go ahead now?You have to just put your hands like this, because all your points, centres are here. All the seven centres are here.And left and right sympathetic nervous system both are expressed on your fingertips here and here.There are seven chakras 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,and when you keep your hands towards me actually through these centres information goes inside these centres and then kundalini rises with the invitation of the vibrations.When vibrations go in side they invite kundalini to rise.She knows now she has rise out of joy just out of joy like a river when she knows, sees the sea,she hears the voice of sea,she rushes.In the same way kundalini flows it happens like that and I hope it is going to happen to all of yours ,rest that you have to assure .But I cannot your sa about stabilisation.That stabilising you have to work it out.Before realisation you don't have to do anything but after realisation you have to stabilise yourself,may be some percentage will not require anything but same way. Question asked by new seeker(voice not audible) Shri Mataji: Let’s have it,so many are anxious to have it and there is a big lecture on that,I think I have spoke for three hours on that topic ,I don’t mind speaking again and also you can feel it.Now self is the one that is in your heart,that is reflection of the Divine which you realise to know yourself.You will know what you are,all your centres ,know centres of others and power of self is pulsation of vibration which will flow through which you will know everything that you have not known it so far.Self-realisation is a simple thing.In very simple words is the connection of your attention into the Divine as I said there is pattern on carpet ,you cannot see the color to see the pattern not on colors that is Divine play.By Self-realisation you jump on I would say aware of that color that is all pervading which is dynamic which is God’s love becomes one with that which is self realisation and which will gradually manifest and explain itself to you.But to give complete elaborate idea about self .I will tell you later.Better get it and best is to have it. Question by new seeker:(Voice not audible) Shri Mataji: Yeah,you see you will know it whether you have got it or not once you have it,others have got it or not ,you will know.If somebody claims he is realised you will know,such a person who is self realised he would be emitting vibrations you can feel it by your vibrations.Just put your hands like this and close your eyes,no thoughts on your mind.Ask your mind what you are thinking.Close your eyes,please close your eyes.

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Dollis Hill Seminar Day 1, (morning) "the tricks of false gurus", London (UK) 27 May 1979. Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: But this kind also, spiritually kind of things is there.Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know [inaudible] These people went to India, those Yugoslav, and teach Yoga because they have a guru there.Shri Mataji: Oh. You know my husband is a citizen of Yugoslavia.Sahaja Yogi: Yes, really?Shri Mataji: He got the citizenship of Potenza or something or some place, he got the citizenship. He has such a lot to do with Yugoslavia surprisingly. And they had ordered some ship from Yugoslavia, a huge big tanker [inaudible] oil.And I suggested to my husband, "Why not be decorated in Indian style? Because Indian boys will be on the ship and after all, we have a lot of handmade things and we can decorate it better".And-be comfortable, sit a little bit so you can be comfortable also there, be comfortable- And then we decorated. I decorated the ship sitting down in India only. And they have turned out very good. Two ships were there; one was called as Jawaharlal Nehru and another was Lal Bahadur Shastri , these two ships. Sahaja Yogi: Your husband, Mother, and he went to Yugoslavia.Shri Mataji: My husband. [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: But on the whole, people are more, sort of, in a state, you see, stable people, that’s why. Not too much of communism, not of much of this. But I still feel that as far as the morality part is concerned, they are a bit loose there.Sahaja Yogi: That’s right. They drink too muchShri Mataji: Drink too muchYou can get divorce in Yugoslavia very easily.Shri Mataji: That’s it, you see. Because one of the gentlemen whom I knew very well, every time he came, he came with a new wife. And it was difficult for us to remember.[Laughter]Shri Mataji: In India. Indians that way are foolish, they don’t understand these things. So, when he came for the second time with another wife, you see, they thought it was his sister, you see. And they said, "Is she your sister?" And so many things happened like that, quite embarrassing. Like, one gentleman is sixty years old and he has a wife who’s about sixteen or eighteen, something like that. So, she comes to a party and everybody says, "Oh, very nice your daughter is, very nice your daughter is". And nobody can even conceive of a thing that she could be the wife, you see. Because she’s coming [inaudible]. And in India the wife will never, sort of, cling to the husband and come here. She would be little away. This lady is clinging to the father because only the daughter would cling to the father in India you see.[Laughter]So, they would say, "It’s the daughter". And if you tell them, then you should see their faces, "Ah? How can they?"But they are getting sophisticated now, Indians are also. They are getting sophisticated. But, you see, these young people can become quite funny. The other day, one- I told them that one gentleman came as a sadhu, dressed like a sadhu, and I was in Bombay. He came for three days, in a program, continuously, three days. And he came and I mean, he touched my feet, he sat down, he said, "Mother, I must get my Realization" and all that. "Till three days, you were OK, what’s wrong with you? You seem to be a nice man. What’s the matter? You see, outwardly you are so nice, why your Kundalini doesn’t rise? It’s frozen." Like that and third day, it just froze up, you see, it came to a point and then it went down. And then somebody told Me, "He’s the guru of Mahesh yogi".Sahaja Yogi: His guru?Shri Mataji: Guru of Mahesh yogi, he’s.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Yes, they said, "He is the one".Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: No. The one who is now his guru. There’s one who is now his guru.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: You see, because this was told to Me, whosoever it is, I’ve forgotten his name, but this one is real guru he has. This is the one who is his guru. Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: And he stays there in the train. Because one gentleman, one mister Jaholi, who is with the railways, who has been with the TM also, and he came and tole Me that he became very closed to Maheshyogi. And this Maheshyogi he used to go and touch his feet every day and this fellow was living with him. He said this. Who’s this guru is it? This Maheshyogi tells you lies.Sahaja Yogi: Maheshyogi is a guru and [inaudible]Shri Mataji: [inaudible] That’s why he was horrible, absolutely, the worst of all. The worst of all these, I would say, Shankarachani he was the worst.All the devils have become Shankarachani [inaudible] all of them are devils except for one who was a Realized soul and then they threw him out, Kanshi fellow. They threw him out.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Who’s swami?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: [Inaudible]Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Pune. In Pune there is no but maybe. Maybe, you see they are-Sahaja Yogi: But he gave up. The story is that he gave up.[Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Oh, that fellow!Sahaja Yogi: That’s right.Shri Mataji: Oh! But that too he is no good. He is not a Realized soul, I know, I know. He is not a Realized soul at all! He’s also not a Realized soul. So, what does he get? Only the Shankaracharya said that, "They are not Realized souls, they’ll get their Realization". And then, this Swamirama has done also a lot of - [Inaudible]Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Oh! And how, when did he die?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible][Laughter]Shri Mataji: That’s it. That was the only way he could die, you see?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: He was horrid. I’ll tell you what they do. You see, they do not go to jungle or forest to seek God. They’ll go there to seek power. You see, they confuse Power, Shakti, with all the funny things. Now, the other day, were you for my lecture in Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan hall? Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, you were there?Sahaja Yogi: No.Shri Mataji: No. So, there I told as, we have got around us also other things like supraconscious and we’ve got the left-hand side, subconscious and all that. And also, the Hell below, you see. It is easy to go to the three places, very easy. So, what they try to do is to go to supraconscious also this side. And there, achieve these things. And that is what they really want. They do not want the Superconsciousness; that, they do not ask for. And they go for that and they will do all kinds of things just to get it, you see. So, they go to treachery, this, that.This is not what I was going to talk to you about. Now do you think our Sahaja Yogis are efficient enough for [inaudible]? Or we should, I mean, later on talk about this point which I wanted to tell you: how the Kundalini rises or what are the subtle things that happen. And Raja Yoga and what are the differences between the two.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: You should stay over, good idea. Yes, it’s a good idea. You should stay over, it’s a good idea, yes, a good idea. You see, this fellow is, ‘Brahmanand and the Saraswati’ [false guru’s names] anyone of these, are nothing but supraconscious, you see, masters, they are supraconscious. Masters in the sense they catch hold of people who were very ambitious, you see, they are dead bodies. Say, an Indian tomorrow dies, say for example. Take it official like that. They will, all of them will hover around him. They’ll try to capture his soul, you see. There’s a method by which they do it, is to have a [inaudible] they will have a siddhi about it. We should not call it a siddhi, because siddhi has something to do with Superconsciousness. But what I mean, the control over the spirit and the way they do it. That, you see, how they practice this art of dead is very simple. And to begin with, what they have to do is to fix their attention at a point.Say, if you fix your attention in the dark: now you don’t try all these tricks, I’m just telling you what they do they do. But it’s not meant for trying anything of this for you, because you are not interested in this nonsense and this is only for people who want to, sort of, exploit the supraconscious methods. So, they fix their attention say to a dark, in a dark room to a point which is light. They will put a black thing, all right, make a hole in that and sit down in a dark room and put a light there. And then watch through that little hole, very small aperture you can call it. So, you get a very little light coming through that and they go into that: so, your attention starts piercing through your Agnya. The Agnya is pierced out, you see, so you are entering into the supraconscious area. Or else, also you can enter into the subconscious, depending on what is your desire and things like that. So, you can enter into that. Once you start entering into the supraconscious or into the subconscious, especially the subconscious area, is easy to do with that, then what they do is to put your attention onto dead. Like, you see you go, a person dies, they’ll sit down there and they’ll think of the person they expect. Now, if you can understand this way that if you are in England, you can see England. If you are in India, you can see India. In the same way, if you know how to go to India, you can also see India. It is just like a television set. You see, if you can put your Agnya to your dead, you can go into the dead area. So, they start seeing the dead, they see the apparitions, they see people, devils coming down, they see all these things. They can see. And then, these gurus tell them how to man it and also how to overpower these spirits that you see. So, then they go into another kind- I mean this kind, for any kind of, they call it, as the "prataka", they call it as "prataka", that you do the "prataka".Now this concentration of a Agnya, if you start doing it, you see, then you develop a- they call it a siddhi, but I would not call it a siddhi, because the spirit may just overpower them also, possibly. If not, they might overpower the spirit. So, with the help of the spirit, they start doing some tricks. This is only one style I will tell you, but there are so many ways of doing this, of this concentration business. So, your attention goes into the supraconscious or into the subconscious, there. Once your attention goes there, then these people who are there, you see, they start taking interest in you because most of them are busy bodies. You see, they cannot retire from old life. So, they are around these, so they come down to your help.15:58Now the supraconscious people, which, of course this fellow is angry, ‘Brahmanand and the Saraswati’ [false guru’s names] and all this sort you see, what they do, they- these are the busy bodies like the doctors who are dead, like the scientists who are dead, who have had nothing to do with searching of God, nothing to do of getting bliss in life but always have been running up and down. Especially in these times, since, say about a hundred years back, since this industrial revolution has started, people have lived on the speed, you see, very speedy people have come out, they have been ego-oriented people. So, we have much more dead people of this kind in the last hundred years, you see. So, this kind of people were not so much harnessed [unsure] before as they are nowadays. Because they are much more in the atmosphere, especially in the Western side, they are much more in the atmosphere, even in India. You see, any scientist, who is dead, is not satisfied because he thinks he has not achieved anything, his name or something, he must at least appear in one new book. So, if he has not done that, then they are very unhappy, you see, so, they don’t want to die. When they don’t want to die, you see, they hover around, then they try to come just- they are, you see, helpers. So, if you are a doctor, they’ll just come handy for you to help you like that. Or, maybe, otherwise, you can do that. Now, like that doctor Lang’s example, I always give it, it’s very interesting. He is in England, he would die in England, this fellow. You must find this fellow if he is finished or his organization still exists or not. Its name was International Organization of curate-Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: "Hardy land".Another Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: No, one day you catch on the left so much, you beat him with shoes horrible fellow. O, this is his son!Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: I’ll tell you about him, if he’s the same now you’ll locate him. Maybe the same or somebody’s name now. This one was some "Land International" I don’t know whatever he was. This fellow died long time back and this one was a doctor. And then, you see, he was not satisfied of himself. So, he was hanging around or whatever it was, you see. And he just thought that he should come into somebody. So, there was one soldier, English soldier fighting in Vietnam for the things, you see- an American soldier, I am sorry, American soldier. And he came into his being and he told him, "I’m such and such doctor Lang in London. So, you’d better go and see my son. And this son will be able to help you a lot and I will work through you and you should not be frightened". So, first this fellow opposed him. But he said, "No, you have to be, because you are a healthy man, nothing can happen to you. My son is not that healthy, so you come along." And he brought him down here. When he came here to England, he went and saw the son. And the son could not believe it. So, he told him all the secrets that pass between the father and the son, you see. So, that’s how the father had faith in him and- the son had faith and they started this organization "International Curative Center of Doctor Lang". Late doctor Lang, imagine!So, the late doctor Lang worked through this soldier, and this doctor was absolutely surprised but they made a lot of money.[Laughter] And what they did was to inform the people. Like, supposing one mister X was in India or, that’s how I came to know about them. Because they came to Me for treatment later on. So, mister X would write to them that, "I’m so sick this and this disease and do something about it". So, they would send the message that, "All right, at this time, at this state, at this moment, we’ll come and help you". But I must say, being an English man, they were not as crooked as Indians are. And they were very honest about it and they said they were using spirits, you see. So, they didn’t say- they said late doctor Lang. You know, they didn’t tell lies even when they were dead. [Shri Mataji is laughing] That they were doing themselves. So, I mean he just said that, it was like that. And there was a lady who came to see Me, and she told Me that she had some sort of a rheumatism or what, something she had. And then they wrote to this doctor Lang’s this thing. And then one day, you see, then they wrote that, "You stay in bed and all that, and be on the watch". And then she started shivering and this thing, you see. And people went in the queue for that, you see, to get three months or four months ahead of things, you see. I mean they must be asking for some spirit to come down to help them. So- or maybe some doctors or some people might be coming just to help them, these spirits. I mean the dead spirits of these ambitious people. And they would put these doctors into their body and they would enter into the body and cure them, I don’t know how they managed it. And she felt all right for a few months. Then she came to Me.Of course, when she came to Me, she was like, "Oh what’s going on". So, I said, "What’s the matter? You are possessed". She said, "How can I be possessed? I belong to doctor Lang." I said, "Who is this doctor Lang?" She said, "He is no more and he is dead". And she was talking like that. And I asked her all the things then she told Me what has happened. I said, "Now what is your complaint, now?" She said, "Now I am all the time shaking. If I see God’s photograph, I mean name even taken or anything, I just shake. All the time I’m shaking. So, I don’t know what to do. They told me, ‘You are Parkinson disease or something is there’". I said, "Nothing of the kind, you are pure and simply possessed". And then we tried this lime, lemon treatment and all that. After that, she was cured completely but it took a lot of time for this doctor Lang to get out of her".So, this is how I came to know how they are practicing these things all the way from England, you see, this fellow was practicing this. Maybe this is doctor Lang, this another "Hardy Land" maybe a different person. But this, I’m telling you, there was a centre here, but I don’t know the address of the gentleman. And this is what they did. So, you see, like they sent, these people, I think, must have concentrated on the Western people. They must have thought that, "Let us get some spirit from the West". Because only the Western spirits can influence the West, you see, because they required people of their own type. So, they must have contacted some of these horrible spirits and they must have contacts with them.But the first encounter with this Maheshyogi was in England. Actually, I should say, in a real way. Since I came to know that he was very horrid and all that, I mean we discovered in no time in 1970 only, I told about him. But the real, I mean, the discovering to his ways and all that came to Me because one teacher of Maheshyogi came to see Me. His name was Yuji, he’s from America. He came to see Me and he went to India to see Me first. And then he came to England to see Me. And his parents also came to see Me. Now, the problem of the victims is they commit suicide and he tried to commit suicide. He tried but he did not. He escaped every time. So, the parents got worried and they brought him to India because somebody told them about Me. Or somebody who might cure all his suicide tendencies, that person told him so he came. Then there, he found out that I was not there so he came to London to see Me. So, when he came here that time, perhaps I had not even started my work. So early he came down. I had just left India and he didn’t know I was here. So, he came to see Me and he came to my house in Acton. I must tell you this experience was wonderful. So, I asked him, "What do you do?" He said, "I’m a teacher with Maheshyogi". And I said, "Then why do you commit suicide?"He said, "Because I don’t know, you know, what happened in the beginning when I was teaching, I felt like killing my parents. So, I tried to throttle my father, throttle my mother". ‘What’s the matter with you?’ They said. And then I met somebody, a relation of mine and he said that, ‘This is something you can’t understand. If it has anything to do with God, why kill your parents? I mean it’s something funny’."He said, "I don’t know, somebody comes and tells me, ‘You’d better kill your parents or something’. Because they are different type, I mean, they give every time new ideas to me".So, I said, "All right. Then now, what happened later". He said, "Later on, I started thinking that it is something wrong. It is better I kill myself. So, I started to kill myself and I did it thrice, I failed and my parents got upset with me. So, somebody told that, ‘This cannot be cured anywhere else, you’d better take to Puna". He got a trip down there. So, I told him, "All right". Now I put a bandhan on him, first of all. And then I said, "All right, what is the mantra he gave you?" He said, "He gave me a mantra, ‘shringa’". And also ‘Shringa’ was a very big sage in India before Rama’s birth [inaudible] Then we speak because he was a Realized soul and I said, "How can this name can be given to him?" So, I was rather surprised.So, I gave him a double bandhan, you see, and I myself went into that supraconscious state to find out about the fellow. And he was a horrid looking rakshasa. One of the worse I had never seen is, with one pawn [unsure] he had and two teeth coming out, you see, horrible stuff. So, I said, "What’s the matter? How are you here mister Shringa?" [Laughter]I said, "How is your name mister Shringa?" You see, it has been on the tape, you see, I taped him. I taped him.Sahaja Yogi: Shringa?Shri Mataji: Shringa, mister Shringa, I taped him, you see? The boy was talking to Me, actually, but the Shringa was giving him ideas, you see? I said, "You’d better tell Me. Otherwise you know Me, who I am. I am going to put you right. So, you’d better tell Me all about yourself". So, he started telling through that boy. He said, "I’m such and such and I’m a rakshasa and this ". So, I said, "Why are you after this boy?" He said, "No, you see this, we are very few in number with Maheshyogi". And he also told Me who is Maheshyogi and all that, the kind of a rakshasa he was. He said, "Mother, he is frightened of you and we all know you very well". And he also said that, "First, we wanted some more devils to come in. So, we wanted to kill the parents. But then he could not kill the parents. So, now we wanted to have his life because we need more spirits than more living people. So, we wanted to use them because really, we need a big army of people". But I said, "Why? Why you all?" He said he’s meant upon killing because he wants to have more spirits and an army to fight God". I said, "Really? He thinks he can fight God?" He said, "Now, with big Jivas there, he knows he can fight you better now". So, I said, "How is he going to fight Me? It’s not easy, I have killed him before. Now, how is he going to fight Me?" He tells Me that he is going to use them as first stages [unsure] to the Yogi. And that’s how I first came to London. Why is he interested in Yogi? This is the fact.Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Just let me finish, he? A little while. So, I gave, you see, I asked him, you see, that when he came to this centre, he felt very much better. I tight up this fellow, this Shringa, and put him up on one of the Action streets, you see, still hanging now.[Laughter] He’s still there, tied up, you see. I said, "You’d better be there". And since then he [Maheshyogi] is not giving this name much to people, but he tries. He doesn’t know where this Shringa has gone.All right. But I would say that then, I made him listen to this tape because he [the American boy] would not believe. I gave him the tape. I said, "Take it with you". And, you’ll be amazed, he wrote to Me, saying, from there, that, "Mother, I lost the tape on my way, I don’t know where". How this tape was lost? Very sad. [Unsure] Because he had to change his plan at New York and went to the hotel and from there, he lost it. Terrible thing [inaudible].Now, tell Me [inaudible]. Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: It’s very easy my child, you see, it’s very easy. Among these supraconscious spirits, there are some who have been doing also the seeking of the Absolute. They are overread pandits. They are people who know all Sanskrit, everything, and through them you can talk all this nonsense, you see? Talking about Absolute is very easy, but raising the Kundalini is the main point. And the Absolute that they have told you is not the Absolute which you’ll find out slowly. Then I will tell you what it is.But these are the people who read. I’ll tell you, supposing I read about England and tell somebody, "O, this is England and all that". That’s not real. I should be there. They have not been here. So, when you come back, you see, like my daughters when they came here, you see, they had read lots of things about England. It’s long time back, now England is much better. In 65, they came down. And they were very anxious to come and see England, you see. When we came it was horrible! All the buildings were black, you know, with smoke. [Shri Mataji is laughing] "It’s all green!" They were so much stupefied and they said, "What is this land? We are going back home. No, no, no, no, no more here, we don’t want it". And every day used to be a very cold day and all, you see, months used to chatter with cold and they couldn’t go out and anyway they were so tired [Shri Mataji is laughing] of the place. They said, "No, no, no, no, we don’t want to be here".So, you see, it’s a different thing to be here and to talk about it. Because, you see, people have written about it, so they talk about it. It’s easy to talk. Supposing somebody reads my, about my book, it’s about what I say. They talk what? [Unsure]. Many who have done like that also-Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: That’s the spirits, you see? Not many here, but there’s a spirit. You see, now, say, I’ll tell you. First experience would be, for example, I am my own. All right? Then I’m worried about my household, about my business, about my things. But "somebody" comes in [inside you] and takes the charge. So, you get the experience of relaxation, "O God, somebody is looking after me". But when the camel enters in, you see, it spreads [unsure] and will not let you in [unsure] and starts occupying everything and you are out. Then these experiences start getting- you see, these are all experiences of a spirit who is a supraconscious; spirit who is not a supraconscious is different thing. This is also another very subtle thing. If you are possessed by a subconscious spirit, very gradually you start understanding that they are very sly, and they make you very slothful, you sleep a lot with that. You see, all these things happen with the subconscious ones, you see? And with the supraconscious ones, you become speedy. You become much more speedy than you are, you become dynamic. Because "somebody" is a planner who is dead, he is left with some plans. He comes in your head and gives his plans to you. You may even become successful, may even become successful. But your mind goes out. Gradually when, you see, those people have exhausted themselves, they disappear. And moreover, you see, when you start working out their plans, though it may appear that you are working out better and efficient, in the result, you find that everything is lost. Because it is not with the Divine, the plan is not in tune with the Divine, you see. So, you find every thing is lost like that. So, the- you see, these are the subtleties of the supraconscious spirits. They are very ambitious people, very cunning, very efficient, you see, so-called. I wouldn’t tell them efficient in the real sense, but so-called efficient. Because those who do not know the plan of God are inefficient, you see. [...]

Dollis Hill Seminar Day 1, (morning) "the tricks of false gurus", London (UK) 27 May 1979. Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: But this kind also, spiritually kind of things is there.Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know [inaudible] These people went to India, those Yugoslav, and teach Yoga because they have a guru there.Shri Mataji: Oh. You know my husband is a citizen of Yugoslavia.Sahaja Yogi: Yes, really?Shri Mataji: He got the citizenship of Potenza or something or some place, he got the citizenship. He has such a lot to do with Yugoslavia surprisingly. And they had ordered some ship from Yugoslavia, a huge big tanker [inaudible] oil.And I suggested to my husband, "Why not be decorated in Indian style? Because Indian boys will be on the ship and after all, we have a lot of handmade things and we can decorate it better".And-be comfortable, sit a little bit so you can be comfortable also there, be comfortable- And then we decorated. I decorated the ship sitting down in India only. And they have turned out very good. Two ships were there; one was called as Jawaharlal Nehru and another was Lal Bahadur Shastri , these two ships. Sahaja Yogi: Your husband, Mother, and he went to Yugoslavia.Shri Mataji: My husband. [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: But on the whole, people are more, sort of, in a state, you see, stable people, that’s why. Not too much of communism, not of much of this. But I still feel that as far as the morality part is concerned, they are a bit loose there.Sahaja Yogi: That’s right. They drink too muchShri Mataji: Drink too muchYou can get divorce in Yugoslavia very easily.Shri Mataji: That’s it, you see. Because one of the gentlemen whom I knew very well, every time he came, he came with a new wife. And it was difficult for us to remember.[Laughter]Shri Mataji: In India. Indians that way are foolish, they don’t understand these things. So, when he came for the second time with another wife, you see, they thought it was his sister, you see. And they said, "Is she your sister?" And so many things happened like that, quite embarrassing. Like, one gentleman is sixty years old and he has a wife who’s about sixteen or eighteen, something like that. So, she comes to a party and everybody says, "Oh, very nice your daughter is, very nice your daughter is". And nobody can even conceive of a thing that she could be the wife, you see. Because she’s coming [inaudible]. And in India the wife will never, sort of, cling to the husband and come here. She would be little away. This lady is clinging to the father because only the daughter would cling to the father in India you see.[Laughter]So, they would say, "It’s the daughter". And if you tell them, then you should see their faces, "Ah? How can they?"But they are getting sophisticated now, Indians are also. They are getting sophisticated. But, you see, these young people can become quite funny. The other day, one- I told them that one gentleman came as a sadhu, dressed like a sadhu, and I was in Bombay. He came for three days, in a program, continuously, three days. And he came and I mean, he touched my feet, he sat down, he said, "Mother, I must get my Realization" and all that. "Till three days, you were OK, what’s wrong with you? You seem to be a nice man. What’s the matter? You see, outwardly you are so nice, why your Kundalini doesn’t rise? It’s frozen." Like that and third day, it just froze up, you see, it came to a point and then it went down. And then somebody told Me, "He’s the guru of Mahesh yogi".Sahaja Yogi: His guru?Shri Mataji: Guru of Mahesh yogi, he’s.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Yes, they said, "He is the one".Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: No. The one who is now his guru. There’s one who is now his guru.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: You see, because this was told to Me, whosoever it is, I’ve forgotten his name, but this one is real guru he has. This is the one who is his guru. Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: And he stays there in the train. Because one gentleman, one mister Jaholi, who is with the railways, who has been with the TM also, and he came and tole Me that he became very closed to Maheshyogi. And this Maheshyogi he used to go and touch his feet every day and this fellow was living with him. He said this. Who’s this guru is it? This Maheshyogi tells you lies.Sahaja Yogi: Maheshyogi is a guru and [inaudible]Shri Mataji: [inaudible] That’s why he was horrible, absolutely, the worst of all. The worst of all these, I would say, Shankarachani he was the worst.All the devils have become Shankarachani [inaudible] all of them are devils except for one who was a Realized soul and then they threw him out, Kanshi fellow. They threw him out.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Who’s swami?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: [Inaudible]Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Pune. In Pune there is no but maybe. Maybe, you see they are-Sahaja Yogi: But he gave up. The story is that he gave up.[Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Oh, that fellow!Sahaja Yogi: That’s right.Shri Mataji: Oh! But that too he is no good. He is not a Realized soul, I know, I know. He is not a Realized soul at all! He’s also not a Realized soul. So, what does he get? Only the Shankaracharya said that, "They are not Realized souls, they’ll get their Realization". And then, this Swamirama has done also a lot of - [Inaudible]Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Oh! And how, when did he die?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible][Laughter]Shri Mataji: That’s it. That was the only way he could die, you see?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: He was horrid. I’ll tell you what they do. You see, they do not go to jungle or forest to seek God. They’ll go there to seek power. You see, they confuse Power, Shakti, with all the funny things. Now, the other day, were you for my lecture in Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan hall? Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, you were there?Sahaja Yogi: No.Shri Mataji: No. So, there I told as, we have got around us also other things like supraconscious and we’ve got the left-hand side, subconscious and all that. And also, the Hell below, you see. It is easy to go to the three places, very easy. So, what they try to do is to go to supraconscious also this side. And there, achieve these things. And that is what they really want. They do not want the Superconsciousness; that, they do not ask for. And they go for that and they will do all kinds of things just to get it, you see. So, they go to treachery, this, that.This is not what I was going to talk to you about. Now do you think our Sahaja Yogis are efficient enough for [inaudible]? Or we should, I mean, later on talk about this point which I wanted to tell you: how the Kundalini rises or what are the subtle things that happen. And Raja Yoga and what are the differences between the two.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: You should stay over, good idea. Yes, it’s a good idea. You should stay over, it’s a good idea, yes, a good idea. You see, this fellow is, ‘Brahmanand and the Saraswati’ [false guru’s names] anyone of these, are nothing but supraconscious, you see, masters, they are supraconscious. Masters in the sense they catch hold of people who were very ambitious, you see, they are dead bodies. Say, an Indian tomorrow dies, say for example. Take it official like that. They will, all of them will hover around him. They’ll try to capture his soul, you see. There’s a method by which they do it, is to have a [inaudible] they will have a siddhi about it. We should not call it a siddhi, because siddhi has something to do with Superconsciousness. But what I mean, the control over the spirit and the way they do it. That, you see, how they practice this art of dead is very simple. And to begin with, what they have to do is to fix their attention at a point.Say, if you fix your attention in the dark: now you don’t try all these tricks, I’m just telling you what they do they do. But it’s not meant for trying anything of this for you, because you are not interested in this nonsense and this is only for people who want to, sort of, exploit the supraconscious methods. So, they fix their attention say to a dark, in a dark room to a point which is light. They will put a black thing, all right, make a hole in that and sit down in a dark room and put a light there. And then watch through that little hole, very small aperture you can call it. So, you get a very little light coming through that and they go into that: so, your attention starts piercing through your Agnya. The Agnya is pierced out, you see, so you are entering into the supraconscious area. Or else, also you can enter into the subconscious, depending on what is your desire and things like that. So, you can enter into that. Once you start entering into the supraconscious or into the subconscious, especially the subconscious area, is easy to do with that, then what they do is to put your attention onto dead. Like, you see you go, a person dies, they’ll sit down there and they’ll think of the person they expect. Now, if you can understand this way that if you are in England, you can see England. If you are in India, you can see India. In the same way, if you know how to go to India, you can also see India. It is just like a television set. You see, if you can put your Agnya to your dead, you can go into the dead area. So, they start seeing the dead, they see the apparitions, they see people, devils coming down, they see all these things. They can see. And then, these gurus tell them how to man it and also how to overpower these spirits that you see. So, then they go into another kind- I mean this kind, for any kind of, they call it, as the "prataka", they call it as "prataka", that you do the "prataka".Now this concentration of a Agnya, if you start doing it, you see, then you develop a- they call it a siddhi, but I would not call it a siddhi, because the spirit may just overpower them also, possibly. If not, they might overpower the spirit. So, with the help of the spirit, they start doing some tricks. This is only one style I will tell you, but there are so many ways of doing this, of this concentration business. So, your attention goes into the supraconscious or into the subconscious, there. Once your attention goes there, then these people who are there, you see, they start taking interest in you because most of them are busy bodies. You see, they cannot retire from old life. So, they are around these, so they come down to your help.15:58Now the supraconscious people, which, of course this fellow is angry, ‘Brahmanand and the Saraswati’ [false guru’s names] and all this sort you see, what they do, they- these are the busy bodies like the doctors who are dead, like the scientists who are dead, who have had nothing to do with searching of God, nothing to do of getting bliss in life but always have been running up and down. Especially in these times, since, say about a hundred years back, since this industrial revolution has started, people have lived on the speed, you see, very speedy people have come out, they have been ego-oriented people. So, we have much more dead people of this kind in the last hundred years, you see. So, this kind of people were not so much harnessed [unsure] before as they are nowadays. Because they are much more in the atmosphere, especially in the Western side, they are much more in the atmosphere, even in India. You see, any scientist, who is dead, is not satisfied because he thinks he has not achieved anything, his name or something, he must at least appear in one new book. So, if he has not done that, then they are very unhappy, you see, so, they don’t want to die. When they don’t want to die, you see, they hover around, then they try to come just- they are, you see, helpers. So, if you are a doctor, they’ll just come handy for you to help you like that. Or, maybe, otherwise, you can do that. Now, like that doctor Lang’s example, I always give it, it’s very interesting. He is in England, he would die in England, this fellow. You must find this fellow if he is finished or his organization still exists or not. Its name was International Organization of curate-Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: "Hardy land".Another Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: No, one day you catch on the left so much, you beat him with shoes horrible fellow. O, this is his son!Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: I’ll tell you about him, if he’s the same now you’ll locate him. Maybe the same or somebody’s name now. This one was some "Land International" I don’t know whatever he was. This fellow died long time back and this one was a doctor. And then, you see, he was not satisfied of himself. So, he was hanging around or whatever it was, you see. And he just thought that he should come into somebody. So, there was one soldier, English soldier fighting in Vietnam for the things, you see- an American soldier, I am sorry, American soldier. And he came into his being and he told him, "I’m such and such doctor Lang in London. So, you’d better go and see my son. And this son will be able to help you a lot and I will work through you and you should not be frightened". So, first this fellow opposed him. But he said, "No, you have to be, because you are a healthy man, nothing can happen to you. My son is not that healthy, so you come along." And he brought him down here. When he came here to England, he went and saw the son. And the son could not believe it. So, he told him all the secrets that pass between the father and the son, you see. So, that’s how the father had faith in him and- the son had faith and they started this organization "International Curative Center of Doctor Lang". Late doctor Lang, imagine!So, the late doctor Lang worked through this soldier, and this doctor was absolutely surprised but they made a lot of money.[Laughter] And what they did was to inform the people. Like, supposing one mister X was in India or, that’s how I came to know about them. Because they came to Me for treatment later on. So, mister X would write to them that, "I’m so sick this and this disease and do something about it". So, they would send the message that, "All right, at this time, at this state, at this moment, we’ll come and help you". But I must say, being an English man, they were not as crooked as Indians are. And they were very honest about it and they said they were using spirits, you see. So, they didn’t say- they said late doctor Lang. You know, they didn’t tell lies even when they were dead. [Shri Mataji is laughing] That they were doing themselves. So, I mean he just said that, it was like that. And there was a lady who came to see Me, and she told Me that she had some sort of a rheumatism or what, something she had. And then they wrote to this doctor Lang’s this thing. And then one day, you see, then they wrote that, "You stay in bed and all that, and be on the watch". And then she started shivering and this thing, you see. And people went in the queue for that, you see, to get three months or four months ahead of things, you see. I mean they must be asking for some spirit to come down to help them. So- or maybe some doctors or some people might be coming just to help them, these spirits. I mean the dead spirits of these ambitious people. And they would put these doctors into their body and they would enter into the body and cure them, I don’t know how they managed it. And she felt all right for a few months. Then she came to Me.Of course, when she came to Me, she was like, "Oh what’s going on". So, I said, "What’s the matter? You are possessed". She said, "How can I be possessed? I belong to doctor Lang." I said, "Who is this doctor Lang?" She said, "He is no more and he is dead". And she was talking like that. And I asked her all the things then she told Me what has happened. I said, "Now what is your complaint, now?" She said, "Now I am all the time shaking. If I see God’s photograph, I mean name even taken or anything, I just shake. All the time I’m shaking. So, I don’t know what to do. They told me, ‘You are Parkinson disease or something is there’". I said, "Nothing of the kind, you are pure and simply possessed". And then we tried this lime, lemon treatment and all that. After that, she was cured completely but it took a lot of time for this doctor Lang to get out of her".So, this is how I came to know how they are practicing these things all the way from England, you see, this fellow was practicing this. Maybe this is doctor Lang, this another "Hardy Land" maybe a different person. But this, I’m telling you, there was a centre here, but I don’t know the address of the gentleman. And this is what they did. So, you see, like they sent, these people, I think, must have concentrated on the Western people. They must have thought that, "Let us get some spirit from the West". Because only the Western spirits can influence the West, you see, because they required people of their own type. So, they must have contacted some of these horrible spirits and they must have contacts with them.But the first encounter with this Maheshyogi was in England. Actually, I should say, in a real way. Since I came to know that he was very horrid and all that, I mean we discovered in no time in 1970 only, I told about him. But the real, I mean, the discovering to his ways and all that came to Me because one teacher of Maheshyogi came to see Me. His name was Yuji, he’s from America. He came to see Me and he went to India to see Me first. And then he came to England to see Me. And his parents also came to see Me. Now, the problem of the victims is they commit suicide and he tried to commit suicide. He tried but he did not. He escaped every time. So, the parents got worried and they brought him to India because somebody told them about Me. Or somebody who might cure all his suicide tendencies, that person told him so he came. Then there, he found out that I was not there so he came to London to see Me. So, when he came here that time, perhaps I had not even started my work. So early he came down. I had just left India and he didn’t know I was here. So, he came to see Me and he came to my house in Acton. I must tell you this experience was wonderful. So, I asked him, "What do you do?" He said, "I’m a teacher with Maheshyogi". And I said, "Then why do you commit suicide?"He said, "Because I don’t know, you know, what happened in the beginning when I was teaching, I felt like killing my parents. So, I tried to throttle my father, throttle my mother". ‘What’s the matter with you?’ They said. And then I met somebody, a relation of mine and he said that, ‘This is something you can’t understand. If it has anything to do with God, why kill your parents? I mean it’s something funny’."He said, "I don’t know, somebody comes and tells me, ‘You’d better kill your parents or something’. Because they are different type, I mean, they give every time new ideas to me".So, I said, "All right. Then now, what happened later". He said, "Later on, I started thinking that it is something wrong. It is better I kill myself. So, I started to kill myself and I did it thrice, I failed and my parents got upset with me. So, somebody told that, ‘This cannot be cured anywhere else, you’d better take to Puna". He got a trip down there. So, I told him, "All right". Now I put a bandhan on him, first of all. And then I said, "All right, what is the mantra he gave you?" He said, "He gave me a mantra, ‘shringa’". And also ‘Shringa’ was a very big sage in India before Rama’s birth [inaudible] Then we speak because he was a Realized soul and I said, "How can this name can be given to him?" So, I was rather surprised.So, I gave him a double bandhan, you see, and I myself went into that supraconscious state to find out about the fellow. And he was a horrid looking rakshasa. One of the worse I had never seen is, with one pawn [unsure] he had and two teeth coming out, you see, horrible stuff. So, I said, "What’s the matter? How are you here mister Shringa?" [Laughter]I said, "How is your name mister Shringa?" You see, it has been on the tape, you see, I taped him. I taped him.Sahaja Yogi: Shringa?Shri Mataji: Shringa, mister Shringa, I taped him, you see? The boy was talking to Me, actually, but the Shringa was giving him ideas, you see? I said, "You’d better tell Me. Otherwise you know Me, who I am. I am going to put you right. So, you’d better tell Me all about yourself". So, he started telling through that boy. He said, "I’m such and such and I’m a rakshasa and this ". So, I said, "Why are you after this boy?" He said, "No, you see this, we are very few in number with Maheshyogi". And he also told Me who is Maheshyogi and all that, the kind of a rakshasa he was. He said, "Mother, he is frightened of you and we all know you very well". And he also said that, "First, we wanted some more devils to come in. So, we wanted to kill the parents. But then he could not kill the parents. So, now we wanted to have his life because we need more spirits than more living people. So, we wanted to use them because really, we need a big army of people". But I said, "Why? Why you all?" He said he’s meant upon killing because he wants to have more spirits and an army to fight God". I said, "Really? He thinks he can fight God?" He said, "Now, with big Jivas there, he knows he can fight you better now". So, I said, "How is he going to fight Me? It’s not easy, I have killed him before. Now, how is he going to fight Me?" He tells Me that he is going to use them as first stages [unsure] to the Yogi. And that’s how I first came to London. Why is he interested in Yogi? This is the fact.Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Just let me finish, he? A little while. So, I gave, you see, I asked him, you see, that when he came to this centre, he felt very much better. I tight up this fellow, this Shringa, and put him up on one of the Action streets, you see, still hanging now.[Laughter] He’s still there, tied up, you see. I said, "You’d better be there". And since then he [Maheshyogi] is not giving this name much to people, but he tries. He doesn’t know where this Shringa has gone.All right. But I would say that then, I made him listen to this tape because he [the American boy] would not believe. I gave him the tape. I said, "Take it with you". And, you’ll be amazed, he wrote to Me, saying, from there, that, "Mother, I lost the tape on my way, I don’t know where". How this tape was lost? Very sad. [Unsure] Because he had to change his plan at New York and went to the hotel and from there, he lost it. Terrible thing [inaudible].Now, tell Me [inaudible]. Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: It’s very easy my child, you see, it’s very easy. Among these supraconscious spirits, there are some who have been doing also the seeking of the Absolute. They are overread pandits. They are people who know all Sanskrit, everything, and through them you can talk all this nonsense, you see? Talking about Absolute is very easy, but raising the Kundalini is the main point. And the Absolute that they have told you is not the Absolute which you’ll find out slowly. Then I will tell you what it is.But these are the people who read. I’ll tell you, supposing I read about England and tell somebody, "O, this is England and all that". That’s not real. I should be there. They have not been here. So, when you come back, you see, like my daughters when they came here, you see, they had read lots of things about England. It’s long time back, now England is much better. In 65, they came down. And they were very anxious to come and see England, you see. When we came it was horrible! All the buildings were black, you know, with smoke. [Shri Mataji is laughing] "It’s all green!" They were so much stupefied and they said, "What is this land? We are going back home. No, no, no, no, no more here, we don’t want it". And every day used to be a very cold day and all, you see, months used to chatter with cold and they couldn’t go out and anyway they were so tired [Shri Mataji is laughing] of the place. They said, "No, no, no, no, we don’t want to be here".So, you see, it’s a different thing to be here and to talk about it. Because, you see, people have written about it, so they talk about it. It’s easy to talk. Supposing somebody reads my, about my book, it’s about what I say. They talk what? [Unsure]. Many who have done like that also-Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: That’s the spirits, you see? Not many here, but there’s a spirit. You see, now, say, I’ll tell you. First experience would be, for example, I am my own. All right? Then I’m worried about my household, about my business, about my things. But "somebody" comes in [inside you] and takes the charge. So, you get the experience of relaxation, "O God, somebody is looking after me". But when the camel enters in, you see, it spreads [unsure] and will not let you in [unsure] and starts occupying everything and you are out. Then these experiences start getting- you see, these are all experiences of a spirit who is a supraconscious; spirit who is not a supraconscious is different thing. This is also another very subtle thing. If you are possessed by a subconscious spirit, very gradually you start understanding that they are very sly, and they make you very slothful, you sleep a lot with that. You see, all these things happen with the subconscious ones, you see? And with the supraconscious ones, you become speedy. You become much more speedy than you are, you become dynamic. Because "somebody" is a planner who is dead, he is left with some plans. He comes in your head and gives his plans to you. You may even become successful, may even become successful. But your mind goes out. Gradually when, you see, those people have exhausted themselves, they disappear. And moreover, you see, when you start working out their plans, though it may appear that you are working out better and efficient, in the result, you find that everything is lost. Because it is not with the Divine, the plan is not in tune with the Divine, you see. So, you find every thing is lost like that. So, the- you see, these are the subtleties of the supraconscious spirits. They are very ambitious people, very cunning, very efficient, you see, so-called. I wouldn’t tell them efficient in the real sense, but so-called efficient. Because those who do not know the plan of God are inefficient, you see. [...]

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Dollis Hill Seminar Day 1, "the tricks of false gurus", London (UK) 27 May 1979.Audio (TM, False Gurus, Industrial Revolution, Christ) [Text of audio 1, 2 and 4] Shri Mataji: It's all right for you to say, because he is just there, you see. He was just to be ripen, he came to Me, he got it. [clapping with hand].Sahaja Yogi: I found he got it very easily. The minute I saw your photograph, I gave [inaudible] I mean, I was [inaudible] TM.Shri Mataji: Really? Then, I wish all of them have even that much of you it will work out.Sahaja Yogi: Well, since then, I spoke about [inaudible]Shri Mataji: Yeh.Sahaja Yogi: And within twenty-four hours, [inaudible]Shri Mataji: Hmm.Sahaja Yogi: It’s a sudden wave of vibrations [inaudible]Shri Mataji: We have to save them. You see, with TM, my attention is very much there, very much there. Last time we solved the problem of that “Divine Light.” That “Divine Light” is out now. Only have his brother, you see. I went to Geneva. I wanted to see TM also, but he, you see, it was starting raining and all that, in night, we didn’t go. We could have gone up to that place, it would have been better, but doesn’t matter. So, he, the brother, drove Me down to the center in Geneva, and said, "He is the one, you know". I said, "All right, I put a bandhan". Within a week’s time, he’s out in jail now. And now fourteen years, thank God. [Inaudible] started. So, all this works out this way. So, my attention is very much on TM these days, very much. And, if it works out? So, here we are.Sahaja Yogi: He must have been and with your attention, it must work.Shri Mataji: Very much.Sahaja Yogi: Here. Some weeks ago, it started. [Inaudible conversation] Shri Mataji: Good. It’s working through awareness. If it breaks, it will break completely. You’ll see that. Because this is a bubble, this is just a bubble, it will go out. So happy about it! And this should happen. Actually, you see, even going of this Divine Life Center business, you see, I do not know how many of them will come to Sahaja Yoga.That kind of- It’s better that it works through your awareness, so that you come to Me. Otherwise you see that kind of a what you call, a removal of one person may not. They may still come to Sahaja Yoga, I don’t know because Gregoire was saying he’s going to start something in Geneva also. Let’s see if that works out.Sahaja Yogi: Through our future job of [inaudible] would it be a quite strong position [inaudible] Through our job we are [inaudible] much more powerful when we get a certain level.Shri Mataji: Angel level.Sahaja Yogi: In our job and we are mixed with other in Switzerland. And little by little, people we are working with, we attract them to Sahaja Yoga and every one of us-Shri Mataji: Yes, I mean your life will show that, see that you are different. Now, Douglas. Look at Douglas. If Douglas has impressed you, so you can imagine. Douglas can tell you what was his condition when he came. He was in a mess because the poor fellow has been really tortured and troubled very much. He was in a mess, absolutely in a mess when he came to Me, ask him. He’ll tell you. And now he’s achieved this power that shows how great he is. See, he was in a complete mess, you don’t know.my husband is very much impressed by Douglas too for one reason. He says, “Whatever You tell him, he just obeys. He never questions.”I said, “That’s something.”He says, “He never feels bad.”So, you see, one day he was watching TV for a long time. I said, “Douglas, not good for your eyes. See your eyes are very bad.” Immediately he stopped it, went away.He said, “He didn’t even take a second to think about it and he just stopped it and went away.” “So,” he said, “but what makes him do that?”I said, “Only thing he knows is that I do it for his good, absolute good. That’s why. He said, “What he never feels bad, whatever you tell him.” He’s quite surprised at this. That’s the surrendering, I would say. The way he has achieved that power. That’s the only way really, to be very frank. That’s how you achieve that. No other way but that. Now. Who’s is this one? Yours. Are you better? You did how many years? Five years or eight years for Hatha Yoga? Eight years?Sahaja Yogi: 5 years.Shri Mataji: Five years?Shri Mataji: It’s five years?Sahaja Yogis: Yes. It’s five years.Shri Mataji: This is another problem, you see, this Hatha Yoga. Very wrong.Sahaja Yogi: Hatha Yoga.Shri Mataji: Yes, absolutely wrong. You know, this is not Hatha Yoga. Where is “ha” and where is “tha” in it? Nothing.Sahaja Yogi: I’m vegetarian [inaudible] Shri Mataji: Oh God! Now I am going to stop it absolutely, anybody is- Yesterday, you see, that old lady was saying, “Mother, is it wrong to be now vegetarian?” I said, “I don’t mean that!” But those who are not vegetarians, why you should force them to be vegetarians? I can understand, you see, certain meats are not good. Like, I would say horses’ meat, you see, is not good. When it’s a big thing, you know, even cows’ meat is very bad for the teeth, you see. That’s how you lose your teeth here. If I eat the cow’s meat, immediately, by mistake also, I get a swelling on my [inaudible] complete vibrations start flowing from my teeth here. All my gums become swollen up. Sometimes even my lips have, when I’ve, when I take the soup becomes thickened like that. So, that means that there is something in the fibre that is bad for your teeth which spoils or may be vibrations-wise. I do not know whatever it is. But the horses’ meat is the worst of all. Now they eat horses’ meat, even in Yugoslavia?Sahaja Yogi: Yes, I live in Yugoslavia.Shri Mataji: Yes. That’s why I must tell you that in Yugoslavia, I went, and ate a salami, and I said, “What’s the matter with this salami?” So, they told Me.“What you make out of it?”They said, “Horses.”“Horses’ meat?” [laughing] Oh, I couldn’t understand it. And they eat anything. Like in China they eat snakes, you see. There was a man, head of the Scientific Research Institute, and he said, “You know why we are so brainy?”I said, “Why?”He said, “You know in my childhood I must have eaten at least fifty-six snakes.”I said, “That’s why you are brainy?”He said, “Yes, the serpents are very brainy people.”I said, “But you don’t want to become a serpent.”He said, “But, I want to become brainy.”Shri Mataji: It is wrong to eat serpents. I mean, one should understand this. That’s how they are. This I am telling you about the South Koreans. He is a South Korean. He has eaten so many serpents, you see. And he said, “Only Americans can be all right if they start eating serpents.” See, they are all right, they are intelligent but they are not like serpents. That’s why they are failing everywhere. If they could eat serpents, they will be all right.” So, this is what is the analysis of people.So, this horses’ meat you have to give up. All right? But you have to eat meat. No need to go to extremes. Like one side you will eat horses’ meat, tiger’s meat, every meat and on the other side you do not eat anything. You see, what am I going to do with the chicken, you tell Me? Why do you want to save them? Can I give them Realization with their two legs? What is the need to save the chicken? Save the human being.[Conversation between Mother and Sahaja Yogis]Shri Mataji: This is another vegetarian sitting down here. [Laughter] Still you are?Sahaja Yogini: No, I wasn’t ever really.Shri Mataji: So, it’s good. You have to just do it.Sahaja Yogini: I was thinking about it when I met You but I never really did it.Shri Mataji: I mean, they said, told Me, “Mother, we are cruel to animals.” Something like that, you see. I said, “Now, don’t worry about animals, you see. Nothing dies.” Of course, you can do it in a better way. You may not be cruel; you can do mechanically, something like that. But you have to live on them. You see, the body has to live on their meat. Part of it has to be there.Now the other extreme of vegetarianism is, if you see, then you will know what it is. Like Jainism they have. I don’t know if you have idea of Jains we have in India. Did you meet them anywhere? No? Thank God.See what they do is that they get all the bugs of the village in a hut. All right? And they put one Brahmin there and give him lot of money. Sometimes they give him a house also, later on, if he comes alive out of that ordeal.And they put all that in a hut, and the Brahmin, and lock it up. And the bugs are supposed to feed them on the blood of that Brahmin. Poor fellow, you see. And then they give him a house or a money or something. And it is regarded as the greatest- what work?- charity done you see. And everybody will pile up money for that to give to the Brahmin, that he should give his blood to these bugs. Now what am I going to do with these bugs [unclear]?All these Jains are going to become nothing but bugs, I can tell you, in next life. That’s what is due for them. Such foolish people. Why don’t they understand? In evolution a man, human being is the highest. How much God has worked them from bug state to this state? And now to reduce the one Brahmin to a bug. See, you require at least billions of them. So, this is what it is: they have no sense of proportion, these vegetarians. I don’t say that you should be gluttons also. I mean, you see, I must give all the sides of it because people start going to the other extreme. Like, you see, some were starving and fasting. So, I said, “In Sahaja Yoga no fasting is allowed. You are not to fast.” In that also people have done lots of funny things. You know, this is all tantricism. It’s really surprising, fasting. If somebody tells you to fast, you must give one real boxing on his face. That’s what they deserve. It is a sign of a real devil who tells you to fast. You see, he should fast himself instead of telling everybody else to fast! It’s a horrid thing to do, is to fast this way. Of course, you can fast for your health or something, but in the name of God to fast is something so nonsensical; which I’ll tell you how it works out. I mean it’s not only silliness, but it is cruel. It’s very cruel to make people starve and make them fast, you see, when they are hungry. This way, I will tell you how they do, fasting in India. Like these horrible Brahmins we have in India. All these so-called Brahmins, you see they are all devils. All of them are rakshasas born as Brahmins, living on in all these temples, you see. One day these temples are going to topple down on them, and they are going to be killed under these temples where they have earned money out of people. But apart from that, anything that they do is that they have started a new method of attacking people. Like, they have got fasting system. Now in the fasting system is, the day when a deity is born, that is the day they say, “You must” fast, just imagine. Now supposing a little child is born in the family in any Indian home, or any English home, or anywhere. What joy! See everybody celebrates it and makes it. Imagine the day Christ is born, you are asked to fast. I mean that is the day is of merriment. Of course, here is another extreme is that they all end up in pub. You see. [laughing]. You see, so I want you to avoid all the extremes. Because that’s not the point! What I’m trying to say is the day, say, Ganesha is born, that is the day they will fast. All right. So, you start your fasting. So, what happens, Ganesha goes mad, this is mad. Now absolutely a concrete story, I’ll give you. There was one great Sahaja Yogi from Puna and he got a prostate gland problem, and he was a great worshipper of Shri Ganesha. He came to see Me. And my prasad is channa. You must have seen channa that I give as a prasad. You don’t know? Have you got some channa today? No? Will you? All right?Let’s have it. So, the channa, I’ve prepared also channa for you today. So, this channa, I took it out and I said, “Take my prasad.”He looked around, because on that day you are not supposed to eat any cereals. So - not as a cereal but channa is not one of the things used for prasad. So, the other fellow said, “Mother, today he doesn’t eat anything.”Shri Mataji: “Why?”He said, “Because today is chaturthi, is the birth of Ganesha.”I said, “Why? Why not on a Ganesha?”“Because the Brahmins have said so.”I said, “Really? Look at these devils. This is the best way to insult Ganesha.” So, I said, “You eat it today because I tell you.” And, imagine his prostrate was out. He was perfectly all right. Ganesha got awakened into him. On this point Ganesha was angry that on his birthday, instead of celebrating it, he is going into fast. So that’s why I say that these are devils. They have found out so many ways! You see, all these devils have entered into the rituals of Hinduism. And there are so many rituals in which they have put these things.Sahaja Yogi: Christianity…Shri Mataji: Christianity also, they have done it. But, you see, one thing about Christianity they have not done it so deliberately because perhaps they were possessed. But Indian ones are real ones, you know. They are the ones. They are not possessed. They are the devils. Here the Christians are possessed by devils. So, little bit excuse is there for them.But for example, as I told you, in Westminster Cathedral, I lived facing. And in the afternoon the only activity is the beer barrels coming in and going out, you see. [laughing] I was surprised. This is the activity going on in the church, you see. Morning time all people going to the church and afternoon all that, the barrels, you see, coming in a truck and unloading and loading in the truck. I said, “How many barrels these people consume?” These are the priests. They just drink beer, I think, they don’t drink water. Sahaja Yogi: Did you have some tea?Shri Mataji: I had. I had some coffee. Thanks a lot. No, I don’t drink that. Thank you.[Inaudible conversation]Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] the essence of the Bible.Shri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogi: The essence of the Bible, Popes re-wrote the Bible.Shri Mataji: A hundred percent.Sahaja Yogi: Every Pope rewrote the Bible [Inaudible].Shri Mataji: It’s too a great extent. I have never read it, you see. But I know. And whatever now for example the other day, they told Me that.. I said, “Why did they do this philanthropic work? These churches, missionary work.” So, somebody told Me that, “They did, Mother, because once there was a, before Christ was crucified, they brought some oil. He was to be rubbed with some very expensive oil. So, Judas gave a explanation, saying that, “Why do you want to waste this oil? Why not sell it and give it to the poor?” You see. So, Christ said that “Poor are all the time with you, but I am with you for a short time.” You see?Now in that they start a philanthropic work. I said that, “If the divinity is important and not this, so I said, “Why did they follow this?” I mean, what He said was that divinity, the divine life is much more important than looking after these poor. But they have used it in the opposite direction. I don’t know. I have not read the whole of it. But must be some books they must have placed, you see. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, there was something very scareful and when I read it-Another Sahaja Yogi: Apocalypse.Shri Mataji: Ha.Sahaja Yogi: And suddenly when I read something, I had such a terrible pain here in the center of the palm.Shri Mataji: What was that?Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know, it was a description of the destruction of the universe. And the description was symbolized as a woman. That hurts me a lot. I don’t know why.Shri Mataji: Destruction was a woman?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: Let’s see what’s that. I would like to see that.Sahaja Yogi: In the Bible, in the Apocalypse, I can show You the passage, I got the- She was called as the symbol of fornication and she was a symbol of a woman and a whore. And two pages before, they were describing the woman as a Goddess.Another Sahaja Yogi: No but [inaudible]Sahaja Yogi: Yes, of course. But I saw it myself that the description the same two pages afterwards hurt me so much that I had a pain here. Because I don’t know if they mixed up the thing.Shri Mataji: You see, they should have symbolized it as some sort of serpent or something would have been much better like it. But not as a woman or anything, you see. Because woman, that’s very cruel. But the destruction is going to come through Kalaki [Kalki].Sahaja Yogi: How soon?Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon?Sahaja Yogi: How soon?Shri Mataji: No, not so soon, don’t ask for it! Because there won’t be any emancipation then, you see. It will be the last thing; we don’t want that just now. Let’s have more time to save all of you, all right? So, we don’t want Him just now.Shri Mataji: Who else? Have you given him? We have to do a lot of things before that. But is possibly, in the Bible also, there’s lots of things they have introduced. Yes, we have to find out. You see, because they wanted to put down women, might have been, might have put [unclear]. They have done all kinds of things. Here they have Mary, and then they want to put Her down. And then the Protestants, you see, they wouldn’t accept Mary as the saint. All sorts of things are there. And about Mary also very little is written down about her also. And it is in a- I think because of the changing of all this, the languages have become very mysterious also for people to understand leading to confusion.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Yes. I think Julio give Me this, because everybody is having so I must have a little.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: You see, the Bible, the first Bible that was written, has been turned. Actually, this Bible is written five hundred years after Christ died. I don’t think that it’s the original one. It is through the Unconscious. It has been guided. All these scriptures are guided through Unconscious.The Unconscious manifests quite a lot. But still they try to do somehow.Like Islam, Mohammed Sahib said that, “Now I am the last prophet. Now nobody is going to come and tell you.” You see? He just wanted to frighten people that they should take to dharma. So, He said like that. Now these Islam people are using it as a… But imagine anybody who says that, “I will never come to you,” and, “I will never do that,” like a father. You see, these horrible people again working it out in a different way. So, He has to come back. I mean the incarnations are not obstinate people. He must have said it with the under-standing that these people will do this, because if I tell them they will accept religion properly. But He sees all of them drinking, all of them going down, doing all kinds of wrong things in the name of God. So He has to come back. How can you be obstinate? I only do like that many a times and say, "I will never go and meet you," Then I go. Be-cause that is love. So what can you do? You forgive. [unclear] Shri Mataji: He said, “Oh, just see his vibrations. His. Ah, just let’s see. He has right heart. You’re getting vibrations all right? You’re getting cool vibrations?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: Very good. But really [inaudible] every day you’re changing very fast.Sahaja Yogi:Shri Mataji: Absolutely. I hope I’ll be able to recognize your friend from Yorkshire. You better tell Me. All right? Otherwise he may feel hurt. But the way people change I really cannot recognize, so.Shri Mataji: [Name unclear] you’re back? They’ve gone?Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: That’s the one who had to go to Cambridge?Sahaja Yogini: Yes, that’s [inaudible] She left [inaudible]Shri Mataji: So, she decided to go earlier. Her smoking has gone down, she said, suddenly. She smoked very few cigarettes. Somebody asked Me the other day, “Why this time the power of Divinity is so much? So much that people are getting it” I said, “But the other forces are also so strong that you have to increase this Power, you see.” The other forces are so very strong. You will see smoking, then drinking and all this, you see, spoils your being. From everywhere you see how much. There are sixteen horrible devils have taken birth, sixteen and six women who are the top people. Horrible. They have taken birth. Can you imagine? How much force is needed? To kill one rakshasa was sufficient in one life. But here, just think of it. And they have entered into your own being. Then how much force is needed, inside out? Shri Mataji: Did he use this mantra, Naraka Sura Mardini, or something?Sahaja Yogi: Sorry?Shri Mataji: Did they tell you any mantra for this one, for this Maheshyogi? Did Rustom give you any mantra for this Maheshyogi?Sahaja Yogi: YesShri Mataji: What did he say?Sahaja Yogi: Hum.Shri Mataji: Naraka Sura Mardini?Sahaja Yogi: Yes, and also, hum, Sarvamantra.Shri Mataji: Sarvamantra Siddhi, Sarvamantra Siddhi and Naraka Sura Mardini. I think this Suraka Mantra Mardini works out also anywhere. That’s the reason you have got them steady still. I hope you get your friends down here.Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother.Shri Mataji: Yeah. That would be nice. Then I’ll come to Yorkshire.Yes, I will, I can. We have time to go out. Second of July, third of July, these things again. Apart from all other programs. Now Birmingham is fixed up, all these things from David.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Is it?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: You asked David that Mataji has called you. You can come and see Me any one of these days. All right? David and- he said, “I’m free Mother.” the other fellow.Sahaja Yogi: Philip.Shri Mataji: Philip. I said, “But you get well first of all.” So, David and Philip both can come, as I said, to help [unsure] you.I said Julio you can give Me a little tea, if everybody is having, I should also have, a little bit.Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: If so [Hindi].Sahaja Yogi: [Hindi].Shri Mataji: I don’t want to trouble you. Sahaja Yogi: Can I ask you Mother?Shri Mataji: Hum. Yes, you should ask Me questions, absolutely you should.Sahaja Yogi: I’m interested [inaudible]Shri Mataji: What? You are interested in?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Yes, in the same line.Sahaja Yogi: And who is a prior Yogi.Shri Mataji: I’m going to talk about it. That’s why.Sahaja Yogi: What’s was Yogananda was saying?Shri Mataji: “Neither he, nor his guru, nor their guru”.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: All of Babaji…Sahaja Yogi: Babaji [inaudible] Shri Mataji: Oh, he’s horrible. Horrible, that Babaji was.Sahaja Yogi: He’s supposed to [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Must be, when all these rakshasas [unclear] I don’t know. He’s the devil of devils, Babaji. They and this Yogananda’s guru was Lahiri. And Lahiri’s guru was this horrible fellow Babaji. Now this Lahiri’s grandson is in Bombay, and he came to see Me.So, he told Me, “Because I was his grandson, Mother, I became a Kriya Yogi and did all that nonsense of taking out my tongue and this and that, and I did everything.”Then he met another one, was this, who’s that? Krishnamurti. He was very much impressed by his personality and the way he talks and all that, you see. He plays those tricks. And he said that “This man is very good.” You see, he went to him. Then he became a Krishnamurti fan, you see. So, he came to Me afterwards. He said, “Now Mother You cannot cure me.”I said, “Why?” He said, “On one side I’m a Kriya Yogi, done forever. Then I went to another horrible one who was Krishnamurti. I can give better speeches than Krishnamurti can on the things, subjects that he talks.”And now he told about Lahiri Baba, his own grandfather. And he said, “What upsets me, was the kind of man he was. He was a very materialistic person, very harsh, extremely cruel. They had no love for his children neither for his grandchildren, a very funny type of a person. And then he started thinking, ‘Why is this fellow such a big Yogi when he has no love for anyone? And he’s done no good to anyone. Why is he?’ And so, I went this another one. And there I became an expert orator. I speak very well. I give big lectures about him. I talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, and nothing happens to me. Now, can you save me, Mother?”He came to Me. You’ll be surprised. Till today we have not been able to maintain his Kundalini awakening. It comes up and goes down because suction is too much in him. Poor fellow. Every time I go to India he comes down, quietly sits down. Still we have not been able to fix it. So, Modi, one of my disciples, was so fed up with him. He said, “Now I’m going to get a nail to put it on his head so that will fix up the Kundalini there.” [Shri Mataji is laughing]Poor fellow ne? [Hindi], He’s so unhappy! Very unhappy, but what to do? He said, “I can give better speeches than all these people put together. But what to do?”He said, "I used to pretend I’m very subtle, I’m very sensitive, I understand this. I used to do all that. Now I realize that it is all pretensions". Sahaja Yogi: So, how to stay for some time in Nirvikalpa? How they really [inaudible]?Shri Mataji: Nirvikalpa.Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: No not at all.Sahaja Yogi: Because [inaudible] all the timeShri Mataji: They say, "They are nirvikalpa".In a way they are. Because vikalpa means doubt. They have no doubts about themselves that they are the greatest crooks, you see. So, they are in nirvikalpa [laughing]. So, that way you can say they are in nirvikalpa! Now we have had great saints in our country, no doubt. Even a person, like Dnyaneshwara. What a great saint we had! And he was in the same line as Machhindernath, Gorakhnath, then Gyaninath, and then his father there was guruji nath. And he initiated him and we had a great guru, Parampara, in our guru tradition in that Nath panthi. Even he, Dnyaneshwara, who was a Realized soul, no doubt, and his brother was really a very great saint. Even he, when he writes about the Kundalini awakening, he doesn’t do the way you Sahaja Yogis do. I wish you could read Marathi; I could make you understand. And how he has raised the Kundalini, what happens, he could give Realization to two people in his life time. You see. So, you can imagine that these devils, they talk of divinity. For people like them also it was not so. So, what these people are talking about? I mean it is not even the particle of that ocean, not even the particle. But they are just talking about. You cannot achieve it at all, by any chance. They cannot go near it. Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Maharishi…Shri Mataji: Yes, he can talk of these things, you see. But, if God is like that, you see, so He will bestow his powers in you. You have to be also omnipotent in a way if you are one with Him. And you have to be always present. And you have to be all doing. But it is just the other way round. Instead you limited yourself, and you don’t know where you are going to land, and hanging in the air, you cannot control yourself. While in Sahaja Yoga you control everything. Sitting down here you can give vibrations to your mother, to your father, to anyone. You see, if you are all doing all, then you should be able to do it. But you cannot even control your own movements there. He just lifts you; you hang in the air, you fall down. Now, why do you need these things? I can’t understand that.Sahaja Yogi: Respond damage.Shri Mataji: You see, I mean, apart from that, it is so evitable to see that you do not need, it is so evident that you people do not need these things.Because already you are raised from this earth by your planes, you have gone now to Moon. Now what more do you want? It is so clear cut. Because, you see, if you understand that this is tomfoolery, that’s the way you are going to solve it. It’s just playing tricks on you. That’s all it is. If you are omnipresent, all right, that means you are present in everyone, all right? You are. You can feel the vibrations of everyone.When I move my hand like this, see on your hands, you feel the cool breeze on your right hand or left hand. I will give the breeze on your hand [unsure] I’m moving hand, my own hand, I am giving this, you are feeling on your left hand. You see? Now, on your right hand. [End of audio].

Dollis Hill Seminar Day 1, "the tricks of false gurus", London (UK) 27 May 1979.Audio (TM, False Gurus, Industrial Revolution, Christ) [Text of audio 1, 2 and 4] Shri Mataji: It's all right for you to say, because he is just there, you see. He was just to be ripen, he came to Me, he got it. [clapping with hand].Sahaja Yogi: I found he got it very easily. The minute I saw your photograph, I gave [inaudible] I mean, I was [inaudible] TM.Shri Mataji: Really? Then, I wish all of them have even that much of you it will work out.Sahaja Yogi: Well, since then, I spoke about [inaudible]Shri Mataji: Yeh.Sahaja Yogi: And within twenty-four hours, [inaudible]Shri Mataji: Hmm.Sahaja Yogi: It’s a sudden wave of vibrations [inaudible]Shri Mataji: We have to save them. You see, with TM, my attention is very much there, very much there. Last time we solved the problem of that “Divine Light.” That “Divine Light” is out now. Only have his brother, you see. I went to Geneva. I wanted to see TM also, but he, you see, it was starting raining and all that, in night, we didn’t go. We could have gone up to that place, it would have been better, but doesn’t matter. So, he, the brother, drove Me down to the center in Geneva, and said, "He is the one, you know". I said, "All right, I put a bandhan". Within a week’s time, he’s out in jail now. And now fourteen years, thank God. [Inaudible] started. So, all this works out this way. So, my attention is very much on TM these days, very much. And, if it works out? So, here we are.Sahaja Yogi: He must have been and with your attention, it must work.Shri Mataji: Very much.Sahaja Yogi: Here. Some weeks ago, it started. [Inaudible conversation] Shri Mataji: Good. It’s working through awareness. If it breaks, it will break completely. You’ll see that. Because this is a bubble, this is just a bubble, it will go out. So happy about it! And this should happen. Actually, you see, even going of this Divine Life Center business, you see, I do not know how many of them will come to Sahaja Yoga.That kind of- It’s better that it works through your awareness, so that you come to Me. Otherwise you see that kind of a what you call, a removal of one person may not. They may still come to Sahaja Yoga, I don’t know because Gregoire was saying he’s going to start something in Geneva also. Let’s see if that works out.Sahaja Yogi: Through our future job of [inaudible] would it be a quite strong position [inaudible] Through our job we are [inaudible] much more powerful when we get a certain level.Shri Mataji: Angel level.Sahaja Yogi: In our job and we are mixed with other in Switzerland. And little by little, people we are working with, we attract them to Sahaja Yoga and every one of us-Shri Mataji: Yes, I mean your life will show that, see that you are different. Now, Douglas. Look at Douglas. If Douglas has impressed you, so you can imagine. Douglas can tell you what was his condition when he came. He was in a mess because the poor fellow has been really tortured and troubled very much. He was in a mess, absolutely in a mess when he came to Me, ask him. He’ll tell you. And now he’s achieved this power that shows how great he is. See, he was in a complete mess, you don’t know.my husband is very much impressed by Douglas too for one reason. He says, “Whatever You tell him, he just obeys. He never questions.”I said, “That’s something.”He says, “He never feels bad.”So, you see, one day he was watching TV for a long time. I said, “Douglas, not good for your eyes. See your eyes are very bad.” Immediately he stopped it, went away.He said, “He didn’t even take a second to think about it and he just stopped it and went away.” “So,” he said, “but what makes him do that?”I said, “Only thing he knows is that I do it for his good, absolute good. That’s why. He said, “What he never feels bad, whatever you tell him.” He’s quite surprised at this. That’s the surrendering, I would say. The way he has achieved that power. That’s the only way really, to be very frank. That’s how you achieve that. No other way but that. Now. Who’s is this one? Yours. Are you better? You did how many years? Five years or eight years for Hatha Yoga? Eight years?Sahaja Yogi: 5 years.Shri Mataji: Five years?Shri Mataji: It’s five years?Sahaja Yogis: Yes. It’s five years.Shri Mataji: This is another problem, you see, this Hatha Yoga. Very wrong.Sahaja Yogi: Hatha Yoga.Shri Mataji: Yes, absolutely wrong. You know, this is not Hatha Yoga. Where is “ha” and where is “tha” in it? Nothing.Sahaja Yogi: I’m vegetarian [inaudible] Shri Mataji: Oh God! Now I am going to stop it absolutely, anybody is- Yesterday, you see, that old lady was saying, “Mother, is it wrong to be now vegetarian?” I said, “I don’t mean that!” But those who are not vegetarians, why you should force them to be vegetarians? I can understand, you see, certain meats are not good. Like, I would say horses’ meat, you see, is not good. When it’s a big thing, you know, even cows’ meat is very bad for the teeth, you see. That’s how you lose your teeth here. If I eat the cow’s meat, immediately, by mistake also, I get a swelling on my [inaudible] complete vibrations start flowing from my teeth here. All my gums become swollen up. Sometimes even my lips have, when I’ve, when I take the soup becomes thickened like that. So, that means that there is something in the fibre that is bad for your teeth which spoils or may be vibrations-wise. I do not know whatever it is. But the horses’ meat is the worst of all. Now they eat horses’ meat, even in Yugoslavia?Sahaja Yogi: Yes, I live in Yugoslavia.Shri Mataji: Yes. That’s why I must tell you that in Yugoslavia, I went, and ate a salami, and I said, “What’s the matter with this salami?” So, they told Me.“What you make out of it?”They said, “Horses.”“Horses’ meat?” [laughing] Oh, I couldn’t understand it. And they eat anything. Like in China they eat snakes, you see. There was a man, head of the Scientific Research Institute, and he said, “You know why we are so brainy?”I said, “Why?”He said, “You know in my childhood I must have eaten at least fifty-six snakes.”I said, “That’s why you are brainy?”He said, “Yes, the serpents are very brainy people.”I said, “But you don’t want to become a serpent.”He said, “But, I want to become brainy.”Shri Mataji: It is wrong to eat serpents. I mean, one should understand this. That’s how they are. This I am telling you about the South Koreans. He is a South Korean. He has eaten so many serpents, you see. And he said, “Only Americans can be all right if they start eating serpents.” See, they are all right, they are intelligent but they are not like serpents. That’s why they are failing everywhere. If they could eat serpents, they will be all right.” So, this is what is the analysis of people.So, this horses’ meat you have to give up. All right? But you have to eat meat. No need to go to extremes. Like one side you will eat horses’ meat, tiger’s meat, every meat and on the other side you do not eat anything. You see, what am I going to do with the chicken, you tell Me? Why do you want to save them? Can I give them Realization with their two legs? What is the need to save the chicken? Save the human being.[Conversation between Mother and Sahaja Yogis]Shri Mataji: This is another vegetarian sitting down here. [Laughter] Still you are?Sahaja Yogini: No, I wasn’t ever really.Shri Mataji: So, it’s good. You have to just do it.Sahaja Yogini: I was thinking about it when I met You but I never really did it.Shri Mataji: I mean, they said, told Me, “Mother, we are cruel to animals.” Something like that, you see. I said, “Now, don’t worry about animals, you see. Nothing dies.” Of course, you can do it in a better way. You may not be cruel; you can do mechanically, something like that. But you have to live on them. You see, the body has to live on their meat. Part of it has to be there.Now the other extreme of vegetarianism is, if you see, then you will know what it is. Like Jainism they have. I don’t know if you have idea of Jains we have in India. Did you meet them anywhere? No? Thank God.See what they do is that they get all the bugs of the village in a hut. All right? And they put one Brahmin there and give him lot of money. Sometimes they give him a house also, later on, if he comes alive out of that ordeal.And they put all that in a hut, and the Brahmin, and lock it up. And the bugs are supposed to feed them on the blood of that Brahmin. Poor fellow, you see. And then they give him a house or a money or something. And it is regarded as the greatest- what work?- charity done you see. And everybody will pile up money for that to give to the Brahmin, that he should give his blood to these bugs. Now what am I going to do with these bugs [unclear]?All these Jains are going to become nothing but bugs, I can tell you, in next life. That’s what is due for them. Such foolish people. Why don’t they understand? In evolution a man, human being is the highest. How much God has worked them from bug state to this state? And now to reduce the one Brahmin to a bug. See, you require at least billions of them. So, this is what it is: they have no sense of proportion, these vegetarians. I don’t say that you should be gluttons also. I mean, you see, I must give all the sides of it because people start going to the other extreme. Like, you see, some were starving and fasting. So, I said, “In Sahaja Yoga no fasting is allowed. You are not to fast.” In that also people have done lots of funny things. You know, this is all tantricism. It’s really surprising, fasting. If somebody tells you to fast, you must give one real boxing on his face. That’s what they deserve. It is a sign of a real devil who tells you to fast. You see, he should fast himself instead of telling everybody else to fast! It’s a horrid thing to do, is to fast this way. Of course, you can fast for your health or something, but in the name of God to fast is something so nonsensical; which I’ll tell you how it works out. I mean it’s not only silliness, but it is cruel. It’s very cruel to make people starve and make them fast, you see, when they are hungry. This way, I will tell you how they do, fasting in India. Like these horrible Brahmins we have in India. All these so-called Brahmins, you see they are all devils. All of them are rakshasas born as Brahmins, living on in all these temples, you see. One day these temples are going to topple down on them, and they are going to be killed under these temples where they have earned money out of people. But apart from that, anything that they do is that they have started a new method of attacking people. Like, they have got fasting system. Now in the fasting system is, the day when a deity is born, that is the day they say, “You must” fast, just imagine. Now supposing a little child is born in the family in any Indian home, or any English home, or anywhere. What joy! See everybody celebrates it and makes it. Imagine the day Christ is born, you are asked to fast. I mean that is the day is of merriment. Of course, here is another extreme is that they all end up in pub. You see. [laughing]. You see, so I want you to avoid all the extremes. Because that’s not the point! What I’m trying to say is the day, say, Ganesha is born, that is the day they will fast. All right. So, you start your fasting. So, what happens, Ganesha goes mad, this is mad. Now absolutely a concrete story, I’ll give you. There was one great Sahaja Yogi from Puna and he got a prostate gland problem, and he was a great worshipper of Shri Ganesha. He came to see Me. And my prasad is channa. You must have seen channa that I give as a prasad. You don’t know? Have you got some channa today? No? Will you? All right?Let’s have it. So, the channa, I’ve prepared also channa for you today. So, this channa, I took it out and I said, “Take my prasad.”He looked around, because on that day you are not supposed to eat any cereals. So - not as a cereal but channa is not one of the things used for prasad. So, the other fellow said, “Mother, today he doesn’t eat anything.”Shri Mataji: “Why?”He said, “Because today is chaturthi, is the birth of Ganesha.”I said, “Why? Why not on a Ganesha?”“Because the Brahmins have said so.”I said, “Really? Look at these devils. This is the best way to insult Ganesha.” So, I said, “You eat it today because I tell you.” And, imagine his prostrate was out. He was perfectly all right. Ganesha got awakened into him. On this point Ganesha was angry that on his birthday, instead of celebrating it, he is going into fast. So that’s why I say that these are devils. They have found out so many ways! You see, all these devils have entered into the rituals of Hinduism. And there are so many rituals in which they have put these things.Sahaja Yogi: Christianity…Shri Mataji: Christianity also, they have done it. But, you see, one thing about Christianity they have not done it so deliberately because perhaps they were possessed. But Indian ones are real ones, you know. They are the ones. They are not possessed. They are the devils. Here the Christians are possessed by devils. So, little bit excuse is there for them.But for example, as I told you, in Westminster Cathedral, I lived facing. And in the afternoon the only activity is the beer barrels coming in and going out, you see. [laughing] I was surprised. This is the activity going on in the church, you see. Morning time all people going to the church and afternoon all that, the barrels, you see, coming in a truck and unloading and loading in the truck. I said, “How many barrels these people consume?” These are the priests. They just drink beer, I think, they don’t drink water. Sahaja Yogi: Did you have some tea?Shri Mataji: I had. I had some coffee. Thanks a lot. No, I don’t drink that. Thank you.[Inaudible conversation]Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] the essence of the Bible.Shri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogi: The essence of the Bible, Popes re-wrote the Bible.Shri Mataji: A hundred percent.Sahaja Yogi: Every Pope rewrote the Bible [Inaudible].Shri Mataji: It’s too a great extent. I have never read it, you see. But I know. And whatever now for example the other day, they told Me that.. I said, “Why did they do this philanthropic work? These churches, missionary work.” So, somebody told Me that, “They did, Mother, because once there was a, before Christ was crucified, they brought some oil. He was to be rubbed with some very expensive oil. So, Judas gave a explanation, saying that, “Why do you want to waste this oil? Why not sell it and give it to the poor?” You see. So, Christ said that “Poor are all the time with you, but I am with you for a short time.” You see?Now in that they start a philanthropic work. I said that, “If the divinity is important and not this, so I said, “Why did they follow this?” I mean, what He said was that divinity, the divine life is much more important than looking after these poor. But they have used it in the opposite direction. I don’t know. I have not read the whole of it. But must be some books they must have placed, you see. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, there was something very scareful and when I read it-Another Sahaja Yogi: Apocalypse.Shri Mataji: Ha.Sahaja Yogi: And suddenly when I read something, I had such a terrible pain here in the center of the palm.Shri Mataji: What was that?Sahaja Yogi: I don’t know, it was a description of the destruction of the universe. And the description was symbolized as a woman. That hurts me a lot. I don’t know why.Shri Mataji: Destruction was a woman?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: Let’s see what’s that. I would like to see that.Sahaja Yogi: In the Bible, in the Apocalypse, I can show You the passage, I got the- She was called as the symbol of fornication and she was a symbol of a woman and a whore. And two pages before, they were describing the woman as a Goddess.Another Sahaja Yogi: No but [inaudible]Sahaja Yogi: Yes, of course. But I saw it myself that the description the same two pages afterwards hurt me so much that I had a pain here. Because I don’t know if they mixed up the thing.Shri Mataji: You see, they should have symbolized it as some sort of serpent or something would have been much better like it. But not as a woman or anything, you see. Because woman, that’s very cruel. But the destruction is going to come through Kalaki [Kalki].Sahaja Yogi: How soon?Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon?Sahaja Yogi: How soon?Shri Mataji: No, not so soon, don’t ask for it! Because there won’t be any emancipation then, you see. It will be the last thing; we don’t want that just now. Let’s have more time to save all of you, all right? So, we don’t want Him just now.Shri Mataji: Who else? Have you given him? We have to do a lot of things before that. But is possibly, in the Bible also, there’s lots of things they have introduced. Yes, we have to find out. You see, because they wanted to put down women, might have been, might have put [unclear]. They have done all kinds of things. Here they have Mary, and then they want to put Her down. And then the Protestants, you see, they wouldn’t accept Mary as the saint. All sorts of things are there. And about Mary also very little is written down about her also. And it is in a- I think because of the changing of all this, the languages have become very mysterious also for people to understand leading to confusion.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Yes. I think Julio give Me this, because everybody is having so I must have a little.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: You see, the Bible, the first Bible that was written, has been turned. Actually, this Bible is written five hundred years after Christ died. I don’t think that it’s the original one. It is through the Unconscious. It has been guided. All these scriptures are guided through Unconscious.The Unconscious manifests quite a lot. But still they try to do somehow.Like Islam, Mohammed Sahib said that, “Now I am the last prophet. Now nobody is going to come and tell you.” You see? He just wanted to frighten people that they should take to dharma. So, He said like that. Now these Islam people are using it as a… But imagine anybody who says that, “I will never come to you,” and, “I will never do that,” like a father. You see, these horrible people again working it out in a different way. So, He has to come back. I mean the incarnations are not obstinate people. He must have said it with the under-standing that these people will do this, because if I tell them they will accept religion properly. But He sees all of them drinking, all of them going down, doing all kinds of wrong things in the name of God. So He has to come back. How can you be obstinate? I only do like that many a times and say, "I will never go and meet you," Then I go. Be-cause that is love. So what can you do? You forgive. [unclear] Shri Mataji: He said, “Oh, just see his vibrations. His. Ah, just let’s see. He has right heart. You’re getting vibrations all right? You’re getting cool vibrations?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: Very good. But really [inaudible] every day you’re changing very fast.Sahaja Yogi:Shri Mataji: Absolutely. I hope I’ll be able to recognize your friend from Yorkshire. You better tell Me. All right? Otherwise he may feel hurt. But the way people change I really cannot recognize, so.Shri Mataji: [Name unclear] you’re back? They’ve gone?Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: That’s the one who had to go to Cambridge?Sahaja Yogini: Yes, that’s [inaudible] She left [inaudible]Shri Mataji: So, she decided to go earlier. Her smoking has gone down, she said, suddenly. She smoked very few cigarettes. Somebody asked Me the other day, “Why this time the power of Divinity is so much? So much that people are getting it” I said, “But the other forces are also so strong that you have to increase this Power, you see.” The other forces are so very strong. You will see smoking, then drinking and all this, you see, spoils your being. From everywhere you see how much. There are sixteen horrible devils have taken birth, sixteen and six women who are the top people. Horrible. They have taken birth. Can you imagine? How much force is needed? To kill one rakshasa was sufficient in one life. But here, just think of it. And they have entered into your own being. Then how much force is needed, inside out? Shri Mataji: Did he use this mantra, Naraka Sura Mardini, or something?Sahaja Yogi: Sorry?Shri Mataji: Did they tell you any mantra for this one, for this Maheshyogi? Did Rustom give you any mantra for this Maheshyogi?Sahaja Yogi: YesShri Mataji: What did he say?Sahaja Yogi: Hum.Shri Mataji: Naraka Sura Mardini?Sahaja Yogi: Yes, and also, hum, Sarvamantra.Shri Mataji: Sarvamantra Siddhi, Sarvamantra Siddhi and Naraka Sura Mardini. I think this Suraka Mantra Mardini works out also anywhere. That’s the reason you have got them steady still. I hope you get your friends down here.Sahaja Yogi: Yes, Mother.Shri Mataji: Yeah. That would be nice. Then I’ll come to Yorkshire.Yes, I will, I can. We have time to go out. Second of July, third of July, these things again. Apart from all other programs. Now Birmingham is fixed up, all these things from David.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Is it?Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: You asked David that Mataji has called you. You can come and see Me any one of these days. All right? David and- he said, “I’m free Mother.” the other fellow.Sahaja Yogi: Philip.Shri Mataji: Philip. I said, “But you get well first of all.” So, David and Philip both can come, as I said, to help [unsure] you.I said Julio you can give Me a little tea, if everybody is having, I should also have, a little bit.Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: If so [Hindi].Sahaja Yogi: [Hindi].Shri Mataji: I don’t want to trouble you. Sahaja Yogi: Can I ask you Mother?Shri Mataji: Hum. Yes, you should ask Me questions, absolutely you should.Sahaja Yogi: I’m interested [inaudible]Shri Mataji: What? You are interested in?Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Yes, in the same line.Sahaja Yogi: And who is a prior Yogi.Shri Mataji: I’m going to talk about it. That’s why.Sahaja Yogi: What’s was Yogananda was saying?Shri Mataji: “Neither he, nor his guru, nor their guru”.Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: All of Babaji…Sahaja Yogi: Babaji [inaudible] Shri Mataji: Oh, he’s horrible. Horrible, that Babaji was.Sahaja Yogi: He’s supposed to [Inaudible]Shri Mataji: Must be, when all these rakshasas [unclear] I don’t know. He’s the devil of devils, Babaji. They and this Yogananda’s guru was Lahiri. And Lahiri’s guru was this horrible fellow Babaji. Now this Lahiri’s grandson is in Bombay, and he came to see Me.So, he told Me, “Because I was his grandson, Mother, I became a Kriya Yogi and did all that nonsense of taking out my tongue and this and that, and I did everything.”Then he met another one, was this, who’s that? Krishnamurti. He was very much impressed by his personality and the way he talks and all that, you see. He plays those tricks. And he said that “This man is very good.” You see, he went to him. Then he became a Krishnamurti fan, you see. So, he came to Me afterwards. He said, “Now Mother You cannot cure me.”I said, “Why?” He said, “On one side I’m a Kriya Yogi, done forever. Then I went to another horrible one who was Krishnamurti. I can give better speeches than Krishnamurti can on the things, subjects that he talks.”And now he told about Lahiri Baba, his own grandfather. And he said, “What upsets me, was the kind of man he was. He was a very materialistic person, very harsh, extremely cruel. They had no love for his children neither for his grandchildren, a very funny type of a person. And then he started thinking, ‘Why is this fellow such a big Yogi when he has no love for anyone? And he’s done no good to anyone. Why is he?’ And so, I went this another one. And there I became an expert orator. I speak very well. I give big lectures about him. I talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, and nothing happens to me. Now, can you save me, Mother?”He came to Me. You’ll be surprised. Till today we have not been able to maintain his Kundalini awakening. It comes up and goes down because suction is too much in him. Poor fellow. Every time I go to India he comes down, quietly sits down. Still we have not been able to fix it. So, Modi, one of my disciples, was so fed up with him. He said, “Now I’m going to get a nail to put it on his head so that will fix up the Kundalini there.” [Shri Mataji is laughing]Poor fellow ne? [Hindi], He’s so unhappy! Very unhappy, but what to do? He said, “I can give better speeches than all these people put together. But what to do?”He said, "I used to pretend I’m very subtle, I’m very sensitive, I understand this. I used to do all that. Now I realize that it is all pretensions". Sahaja Yogi: So, how to stay for some time in Nirvikalpa? How they really [inaudible]?Shri Mataji: Nirvikalpa.Sahaja Yogi: Yes.Shri Mataji: No not at all.Sahaja Yogi: Because [inaudible] all the timeShri Mataji: They say, "They are nirvikalpa".In a way they are. Because vikalpa means doubt. They have no doubts about themselves that they are the greatest crooks, you see. So, they are in nirvikalpa [laughing]. So, that way you can say they are in nirvikalpa! Now we have had great saints in our country, no doubt. Even a person, like Dnyaneshwara. What a great saint we had! And he was in the same line as Machhindernath, Gorakhnath, then Gyaninath, and then his father there was guruji nath. And he initiated him and we had a great guru, Parampara, in our guru tradition in that Nath panthi. Even he, Dnyaneshwara, who was a Realized soul, no doubt, and his brother was really a very great saint. Even he, when he writes about the Kundalini awakening, he doesn’t do the way you Sahaja Yogis do. I wish you could read Marathi; I could make you understand. And how he has raised the Kundalini, what happens, he could give Realization to two people in his life time. You see. So, you can imagine that these devils, they talk of divinity. For people like them also it was not so. So, what these people are talking about? I mean it is not even the particle of that ocean, not even the particle. But they are just talking about. You cannot achieve it at all, by any chance. They cannot go near it. Sahaja Yogi: [Inaudible] Maharishi…Shri Mataji: Yes, he can talk of these things, you see. But, if God is like that, you see, so He will bestow his powers in you. You have to be also omnipotent in a way if you are one with Him. And you have to be always present. And you have to be all doing. But it is just the other way round. Instead you limited yourself, and you don’t know where you are going to land, and hanging in the air, you cannot control yourself. While in Sahaja Yoga you control everything. Sitting down here you can give vibrations to your mother, to your father, to anyone. You see, if you are all doing all, then you should be able to do it. But you cannot even control your own movements there. He just lifts you; you hang in the air, you fall down. Now, why do you need these things? I can’t understand that.Sahaja Yogi: Respond damage.Shri Mataji: You see, I mean, apart from that, it is so evitable to see that you do not need, it is so evident that you people do not need these things.Because already you are raised from this earth by your planes, you have gone now to Moon. Now what more do you want? It is so clear cut. Because, you see, if you understand that this is tomfoolery, that’s the way you are going to solve it. It’s just playing tricks on you. That’s all it is. If you are omnipresent, all right, that means you are present in everyone, all right? You are. You can feel the vibrations of everyone.When I move my hand like this, see on your hands, you feel the cool breeze on your right hand or left hand. I will give the breeze on your hand [unsure] I’m moving hand, my own hand, I am giving this, you are feeling on your left hand. You see? Now, on your right hand. [End of audio].

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Seminar at Dollis Hill ashram, London (UK). 28 May 1979. It begins with the direction of spiritual evolution and goes on with many stories from Indian about 'dedicated women', Satis and Yatis, Mandodari, Gandhari (Kaurava's mother), Anasuya, Padmini, Nur Jahan...... « [Shri Mataji seems to be working on a SY] Alright, so now I take all your guilt upon Myself, now you forget it, alright. And I forgive you and I give you all My grace. You see, the one who carries the, guilt is your Ego. Alright ? and if there is no Ego who is going to carry your [ ?... Can you hear Me?] There it is? You see, if the hand has no Ego, the hand is [alright?] Alright then whatever the hand does is My job ? Is My responsibility.[...] Put your right hand on the heart, right. See, the advantage of guilt is this much , is that you correct it, that's all. But one should not allow it to be a guilt One should... supposing this is the mistake you've committed, then if you realize that it's a mistake then you try and correct it. But if you allow it to become a guilt you'll never correct it and you will enjoy that guilt even. It's an indulgence. [tape interrupted] (…) your spiritual being is all moving in a linear direction in all the sides, you see, and this is the movement is achieved because of [...lated?] you have done to yourself, I mean with science we have become nothing but different parts within ourselves, you see. So, like as I always say that you have to have two doctors for one nose, for one side is one doctor. So, but if so, if you have one common point between all of them like we had in India, you see from ancient time is God. God is the centrifugal force, you see, that is what you have to achieve, you see. So, whatever may be the movement outside you have to go up and up towards God you can say like a pillar it is and on the pillars is, say, you have to come up, reach God. Now, for that, you may go on the left and right but the attention should be on the central path is to, how to rise to God ; and this is the real way a living thing always moves, see : living. Dead things move in one direction but living things move in all directions. But the central thing, the central nucleus is kept intact. The whole has, whatever is the whole has a connection with the center and from the center the movement starts, you see. You never leave the center and you are always coming back to the center, you see, whatever you achieve on the periphery goes back to the center. And like that, like the amoeba whatever experiences it has goes back to the, is [kept?] back into the center, the nucleus. So nucleus again grows, you see, it becomes, it divides and then it improves and it evolves like that. So, when you move on all the sides and give all that knowledge whatever you have from periphery back to the center, you see, the center then starts evolving, the nucleus starts developing, the chromosomes start [?] , you see, the number of chromosomes increases gradually till you become a human being. This is the way evolution is which is a living process again, it's not a process which can be brought out by thinking which is a linear process, you see. Linear process cannot bring forth the evolutionary living growth. That you can see in an ordinary cell or group of cells, whatever it is. If there are group of cells it will have a, some central point, you see. So, all the group of cells will work it out, leave it to the central point, give all good things and the central point will also tell all these, uh, sub-points in every cell and then they will be connected. So, this is the way it works out while linear movement is similar type and only one movement like this, you see it has,uh, all the information and goes on collecting information, collecting information, never reach back. And even if it tries to feed back it again moves in the same direction, does not take, uh, the advantage of the rest of it. You see, this is the way the linear movement is. In mental, of course, adventures, you see, what you do is to go find out something and then you keep it back, society's fed back again and then the society also gives you information about that problem and then again you move in this linear way. Also on the social plane also if you see it works out the same way. Societies are grown also the same way, but, what I mean to say, that the plane of mental activity is separated from the social activity. The plane of the social activity is separated from the spiritual activity. So there are different planes, they work on different planes, so the movement is all the time on that plane only and there is no co-relationship between all these things with central path. Now, when, say, this is, supposing which has to be a living process, so first human beings were born, say, in a country like India. So, they just thought that we are faced with the matter, we have to know what is in the matter, how the matter is to be controlled, [? handled by us], how are we going to overpower it, how are we [?] to use it? So, the first is they have to fix the point because if they move too much they'll be [drift?] out, you see, and what is the point is the Ishwara, the Supreme Be-ing, that's what they achieved. Then in that time, in the beginning they did not talk even of Shiva, or many gods, or deities, nothing. So, this I'm telling in ancient time when the Upanishadas were written, or the Vedas were written. So the first problem to the man was: “ How to handle the elements?” So they started putting God there. Now God must be having His own, uh, deities in the elements. So they started finding out which are the deities of the elements. Because first problem was of the elements. So then they discovered Varuna and they discovered Indra and they discovered all other like for the, uh, Savita for the See and all that. So, they discovered all the deities that are controlling the elements. In the science this is negated, nobody believe in any deities or... Because they thought if you have to move from God, then, say, supposing if you have to go from the president downward then you have to find out up to the district level also who is the district officer. You see if you move that way. But if you have to move from the other hand that you just go to the [minister?... what will you have? You see, nothing] You'll have no information that way. So they thought, first of all we must go to the deities of the elements. So we must excite and we must, uh, invoke the deities. So they sat down to find out what are the mantras by which we can really invoke. So then the Shrutis were improved and Smrutis were improved and they started exciting these mantras. Now, simultaneously, at the same time, you see, there was also left hand side acting. This is the right hand side acting, as you know the elements are on the right hand side. So left hand activity was there, was also Bhakti. The Bhakti is devotion to God and you must worship God and they, all that was there. So both things were put together. That there is a heart movement also and the brain movement. So they started going to the supra-conscious area, trying to find out about the Sun, about the Moon, now this is what they... Surya Mandala and the Chandra Mandala and all these things they tried to find out, then what is the subtle deities which work out this movement you see. They went up to the Anu, Parmanu. Anu is an atom, Paramanu is a molecule, they went up to that and by the time it was Rama's age, you see, the mastery over matter was great. You know Rama went by a plane, a [?] to Ayoddhya and they say that there were 268 [?] in that plane and there were no machines, you see, only the [?] there will move the thing and they had the pilot less bombs in Mahabharata if you read the war in Mahabharata you will be surprised the kind of weapons they had. And [Yuddhas?] is the siege, sieges, you see : how to plan the siege, how to plan a siege that the army cannot get out. Now they were only five Pandavas who had to fight Kauravas who were so many of them. Apart from that they had a big army. So Krishna was very clever. They went to Krishna and both of them said that : “You are equal to both of us, so you cannot take sides.” So He said : “Correct, I cannot take sides, so what should we do?” He said : “ There are... You see, we would like to have Him for him. [?] to help him.” He said : “Now, I can divide Myself in two halves : one is Myself and one is My army. Now whosoever wants Me can have Me and whosoever wants My army can have My army.” So, you see, like fools these Kaurava said : “We'll now have your army.” while Pandavas said we'll have you. And He said : “Yes, but one thing : I'm not going to take... And they said the compulsion is that you are not going to take any armor in your hand [?] no weapon nothing. I'm just going to do the chariot's job for Arjuna.” Imagine. And that's how they fought the war. So because Pandavas were blessed by Krishna they had all the Supra-conscious powers with them and that's how they knew all the Chakra [Bhima?]. Abhimanyu, you see, was a great general expert on Chakra Bhimas and he heard his father telling Draupadi about the Chakra Bhima, you see, when she was pregnant. And he heard that time and remembered, but ultimately it, the end of it. So he failed and he died somehow [?] Young son. Now this Abhimanyu was the son of Arjuna, see. Now, all this shows that they were very developed people. They had pilot less bombs, they had guided missiles and all that, you see. Even Rama used to send guided missiles. From Lanka He went to, from there He could guide them going up to Ravana to kill him directly. All these weapons. But simultaneously the left side was also working It's not only the right side was working. Even on the right side there were many [?] For example, on the side of the men, it was, uh, they were doing these havanas. Now what is this havan normally is, normally is? Is the, is to control all the Grahas, you see, all the planets. Because if you control the planets you can control [?] So all the Navagrahas they will make and worship them. Then all these Surya, Chandra and all these Mandala, all these they would worship and offer them things. Then fire worship was another thing : to worship fire because if you worship fire you can control fire, you see. And then to worship water also, worship Akasha, all these things are, ether. All the elements are to be worshiped and to get to the, to get to the [?] we can call it. So for example if I want to have the Sun, I don't have to bother, [I tell the Sun and it is there, you see]. I can ask the rain to stop, I can ask the Sun come in, I can do whatever I please if I want, you see it is very easy because they're under My command, you see. I just call them, they're there. But because they were not under your command, so the human beings started working on their sides : means to command the Sun, how to command the Moon. And they did like Parashar muni had the power to control the Sun, he had the power to control the Sun, you see, there's a story about him Vyasa's father Parashar muni. But he did not understand everything which he should have understood, it was of move towards the right hand side movement, you see. Now, this movement started with Yagnya and and all that and the Shrutis and Smrutis, and describing all the Mandalas, how to get [?] the Mandalas and all that. They also went up to this point that they could find out the mines under the earth, you see, in those days, imagine. There were no mines, I mean there were no way of finding out the mines also there was, uh, you see, now you have such instruments to find out all these things but there were no such things to find out. How you can find out the mines? We have so much of gold in our country. From where did they get it? Then how did they fish out the pearls? And they had much more wealth than we have now in that country, you see. And how did they built these big houses? And they created Maya Nagaris and all kinds of things, you know, if you switch on a [?] it will come out, the whole city will come up. If you switch off the whole city will disappear, again it would come up. Means like that they had all these things. If you read the Mahabharata, how these people created, specially Draupadi... [Yogi interrupts : “Is this called Ritambhara PrAgnya?”] Yes, they called as Ritambhara PrAgnya that Pra-gnya. 'Gnya' is knowledge, 'Pra' is enlightened, you see, this was the Ritambhara PrAgnya by which they discovered all these things and they could master it and they have really masted all this. How? They had to develop it because there were two types of horrible forces which were going against them. Means one of them is the elements and another was the demonic force, you see. And the generals had realized that, as there are deities, also we can use some horrible, these spirits. So, they had mastered those spirits. Now there are some spirits that they could use like they can bring the [whirlwind?] they can create turmoil. There are some spirits if you know how to control them, they can bring these viruses, you see. This virus infection is nothing but dead, these are the spirits of the dead. See, so, they collected all the dead animals for spirits and then [looked at?] those spirits and then [use?] these spirits. They went to that side and that's how they [? were mastered] so they had to do something about these things so, uh, they wanted to master the deities which are residing in the elements so that they could [harness?] everything that was disturbing their [?]. So first then this was started. [?...] I said, there were other planes. On the right hand side also was another one where the wives, you see, the dedicated wives you can say the devoted wives as called as Sat... one are known as Yatis and other as Satis. So, the ones who tried to find out about elements and overpower the elements and all those things, they, they were Yatis and the ones who tried to find out about, uh sought the mast... have the mastery with their will power, you see were the devoted women. They do master the [?elements] as well. Though the devoted women are regarded even higher than Yatis, you know, Satis are higher than Yatis. Uh, Satis are called as, uh, in Sanskrit name is Ucchadas they are much higher than the Yatis so their achievements were much more in dimension because what they have used their bhakti also, because they were dedicated to their husbands. One of them you can give is Ravana's wife is taken for example, Ravana's wife. She was so powerful, such a powerful woman She was. Of course She was Mahakali Herself so that should give Her [?...] Mahakali She was Herself, but She was a Sati [as She came?] So She had the Sahaja Asana. She had the Sahaja power, but there are many Satis who achieved Sati power. And this [?]lady, you see this Sati, Mandodari She was Ravana's wife. Now when She married him she had to marry though She was Mahakali, there's also a big story. If I go through that story also is very interesting [that She was meeting Rama also] so she was married to him and when Ravana, you see, was fighting Rama, She was the Sati and She was a devotee of Shri Vishnu and She always used to worship Shi Vishnu. So She threw Her [Kankan? *Bracelet of thread used in Pujas*?] very interesting [Aparte] So all these [Kankan?], you know, She threw it in the air. She threw it in the air. And Rama's arrows were coming and they would return back [around?] because Rama cannot cross beyond the power of a Sati also. He has to respect Her because She was the devotee of Rama first of all, and which you know that Kali is the sister of... Uma is the sister of Vishnu, so you see how can He kill the husband of [yogi interrupts? : His sister] you see all of these points are there. And this Kankana was in the air, is projected. Everything failed, you see, nothing would go, even Sudarchan Chakra would be going backside. So Lakshmana said : “What are you doing? What is it? You are getting back your, here arrows. Why don't you control your arrows?” He said “[?But you know, see Uma's there”.. He saw this Mandodari moving there...? He said : “Oh, God, now you have it. Is this not going to work out then? Am I useless then?” Even Lakshmana was sitting very much in frustration. Then Yama, the God of death, he thought: “The time is coming and what is this Kankan doing here... you see, so must try to solve this problem.” So, he is the clever one. He went into the heart of... or he went into the mind of Ravana and told him : “Oh, you are not one of those winning the war. It is your wife's anger.” And his Ego was challenged. “You see in the air, you the that Kali is there. That is the one that is protecting you.” Very angry : “What does She mean by challenging my manliness? And so he went down to his palace and he saw She was sitting there smiling. She said : “I knew you will come back.” He said : “What do you mean? I cannot fight the war? It is all done by your powers? Will you quickly get back your Kankana...? It's my order.” So, as a Sati you have to obey the orders of your husband, you see. She said : “alright, I will take back.” You see. So, but you can find out loopholes, you see. That, that's the [?] so She said: “Now, I've taken back My Kankan.” Then She sat before Vishnu. She said: “How dare you kill My husband? I will not eat food till he comes back here alive, I will not eat.” Now Vishnu had a problem : now what to do He cannot kill, Rama being Vishnu, you see, He cannot kill Ravana. Vishnu said : “What to do?” So He told Lakshmana : “This is a big problem?”. So Lakshmana informed Yama : “ Again see the problem has come : She won't eat food till Her husband goes back.” So Yama said : “I know it's very dangerous but I have to try this trick otherwise I'm in for trouble. This man has to die, you see the time has come.” So Yama said with a very big respect, you see to Sati : [“ Why you go fighting also this...?”] He said : “Alright, I will manage it.” He took the form of Ravana himself, he became, he started looking like Ravana. And He went there and He stood up in the [?] He said : “Now, see, I've come now.” She said : “Did you win the war”. So He said : “Yes.” He said : “Alright, now, will you eat your food?” And the food was hanging before Her. And She made a mistake there : She ate the food. Before your husband has taken the food you are not supposed to eat your food, that's why Indian women will never eat it. Because this gives them power, you see. To be a dedicated wife means power. So they do not mind, even if their husbands are bad, even if they are Rakshasas, they're anything : they will be dedicated to their husbands. They'll love their husband so that they keep their own powers and by that they save their husbands' also. So He stood up there [?] : “Eat your food.” As soon as She ate the food, not even She ate the first morcel [Ravana felt cursed?] And the head fell at the feet [?] and then, you know, He, Yama get His own form and She cursed Him that you will be a dog. And He became a dog [Later on He has become?]. So, they are so powerful. But this I'm telling you about someone who was sort of a Sahaja [Samarthya?] [Yogi interrupts about : Which dog was this, Mother? Which dog?...This dog was in the car which... in company of Yuddhishthira...] Of course he was, yes. You see, actually it is uh, after Rama whatever curses and anything were carried on during the time of Krishna. So, you can say His dog, the one who followed Yuddhishthira, you see, Dharmaraja. So, this story tells you about Mandodari who was uh, Kali, Uma, She was Parvati Shakti, so it's different. But of an ordinary lady Gandhari she was the wife of Dhitarashtra who was a blind man, the father of Kauravas. And this Gandhari tied a cloth on her eyes all her life, she never saw anything because her husband was blind. She said : “If he's not going to see anything, I'm also no going to see it.” And she worked it out that way. Her eyes became so powerful, very powerful because of that closing of her eyes. Going to that extreme she developed that power of [?Bhamat] dhrishti they call it. This is called as [Bhasmat?] Dhrishti; And there's another Dhrishti is [Anant?] Dhrishti by which if you see anything that becomes, that cannot be killed. So she called her eldest son who was Duryodhana who was a horrible fellow, who was in the war. She called him, she said : “You'd better become naked. I'll put my, I'll open my eyes and put my Dhrishti, means the vision, on you and you will be absolutely Amara, means you will not be... you will be immortal.” And she made him vain, sort of a... he was very much happy about it. But he thought : “I'm such a grown up boy, how can I be naked before my mother fully?” So he said “ I'll wear a little [?]” so he could face his mother because it is shameful to face your mother like that. So when she opened her eyes, she removed the thing, her eyes came on the body and that part which was covered, you see, did not received her blessing. So he was weak in that part. So when Bhima, you see, killed Duryodhana he knows this trick, he knows that part is weak so what he did he put one foot on his one leg and another leg he opened out because that was the weak point and he made him [?] that's how he was killed. Otherwise he could not have been killed by anything because that was the weak point he had which [it up?] that's how he killed him. So these were the power of the devoted wife so this was another plane where they developed power of a devoted wife and a dedicated wife. Then this power was used also, misused, abused, people did it, but even, you see, this same Gandhari, the one who has done this was a very powerful woman during the time of Krishna. And she told Krishna that you are Vishnumaya, you are the one who is this and you can take birth many a time but the way you have killed all my hundred child of mine, you've finished my complete dynasty, no more Kauravas left on this earth means the same way Your dynasty will be finished. He's of the Yaduwamsha, you see He's the Yadavas, He was the Yadava. All the Yadavas will be killed and you will be killed in an [?] and Krishna had to accept that curse on His and He was killed in an [?] of, because Sati is the one, is the purest form of devotee to the wife , you see it's easy – to the husband - easy to be dedicated to God because God is perfect, you see, God is perfect. He gives you love, He gives you this... But a husband gives what? He gives you nothing. He tries your patience all your life. To be dedicated to such a person... gives you a real training in dedication [if you keep on saying...?] you see, like the Gurus, you see, same way, they try the patience of the Bhaktas, you see, they say : “Go ahead, go ahead.” That's the same principle, based on the same principle as the lady, you see, who worships her husband who is a horrible fellow, like Ravana is. you see. [?] Dhritarashtra, the [?] fellow. Like there was another one Anasuya was another very great woman in Indian, Anasuya. She was so great She changed, I mean She made the sun wane, she made the river change its course, She did all kinds of things for Her husband who was a horrid fellow. He was absolutely the [?greedi]est possible fellow with all [?] because of [?] all his life, you see. And he would, he cheat her and everything, then he got horrible diseases because all his life he was so [frustrated?] Then he got leprosy, he got this. She took him from one place to another to all the [temples?] and everything and She defied all the nature [?] such a powerful woman She cured Her husband, she got everything done, you see, very powerful woman. And then Narmada, the river, see, that we have, She Herself was the deity. And now She is the – uh, She was actually, uh She never married. When She loved somebody and wanted to marry, you see, She dedicated Herself fully to that love then She became this river, you see, and it's the Virgin River. So, in India, you see, people do not take out water from that river Narmada; They just say : “Alright, this is the river we are not going to touch, we are not going to take out the water out of this river.” I mean, it was so deep into us, you see, we had known all these things all along. So, the Sati used to be feared very much, you see, I'm also a little afraid of them, the way they are, you see. Oh, as if someone has a husband, you know, who is wanting a divorce from a Sati, I think : “I'm out of it. I'm not for it, you see. Keep Me out. I'm not...” See, they are not to be disturbed. We have examples of them in modern times also very much in India, you see, terrible Satis, like Padmini, a terrible one. Padmini was a very beautiful woman and she was attacked by this King who was... who heard about her beauty and he asked that he should have a [leave?] with her. [Yogi interrupts : This is the one whom he saw...in the mirror?] but then Padmini said : “Otherwise if he's going to attack all the country, I don't mind if he can see me in the mirror.” So she can see in the mirror. So he went and saw her in the mirror. Then it became even worse, you see, he said : “I must have her otherwise I'll have to attack.” So, Padmini said that... [tape interruption?] You see they could not understand how can they allow their queen to be passed to other people because this would be the greatest insult, you see, it's a very different country altogether, the [?] is different not like you allow your queens to be [?] by a king even. What sort of a thing it is? A queen is a queen, he may be king. So they would not allow such a thing, they said : “No, this time we are going to fight it out.” So they sent a word that Padmini is coming with her maids and they all dressed up like ladies, you see, that inside the palanquins and the king stands on the palanquin of the queen, you see, and they had many palanquins, one thousand palanquins. And inside the palanquins stands all these [ladies?] dressed up outside like a Sari they put and inside they're all armour and everything they put. And the men, four men carried one palanquin, you see. So, the four men were also warriors, all covered with things and they had all the things put inside, all the arms put inside the palanquin and that's how they walked into the enemy’s camp and they. And they had told these ladies : “If we win, well and good. If we do not win, then we'll lit a fire at a particular point and they'll see the fire from the port. Then you have to go on a pyre” It was a common in India to have a fire made and on that a woman would burn herself out, you see, it was a [tapah?] you see. English did not understand [?] the Sati system. They cannot understand, you see, when we believe that that way we get our powers. So they made a pyre, fire a pyre because they would not allow other men to touch their bodies Indian woman does like any men to touch their body unless and until they're younger than them like children is different but as older person like that they don't like, you see, that other men should touch them because they think their power will be gone if they have bad lust or anything in their head then that power will be lost, you see. So, this pyre was made is called as Jauhar, you see, and all the women climb on the pyre because they've also – they lost the battle, see, they saw the fire. And the whole thing burned out, you see, nothing was left for the king when he came to the […] But we had a muslim Sati, see, we have [?] Sati [?] and that's how our country is so great, with these great women who are not only respected but are extremely respectable. Women of great strength [?] now this is the age of they say Nur Jahan. Have you been to Fatehpur Sikri? All of you did not go but some of you did go to Fatehpur. Now, she's the one who created Fathepur and she was the one who was in love with Salim the son of Akbar. And Akbar although he was a good man, he was a little [?] conscious, I think, so that he wouldn't allow this [?] sahab to become [Yogi interrupts : She was a dancer?] No, no, no, she was not. She was an ordinary queen... uh, actually, there's a story about her, how she came from Afghanisthan to India and what happened on the way. She, you see, when uh, she like [?] she was and he saw her there till he fell in love with her because she was so innocent. He had two doves in his hands that he just gave her that : “You just [?] till I'm coming back.” So she was holding the doves and when he comes back he saw that she had only one. “What did you do to another one?” she said : “I didn't do anything it just flew out.” He said : “How.” Otherwise she [?]it up and the other one also flew out this way.” So he laughed [?] and that's how he fell in love with her, so innocently it was. But after it came to [?] he said no, no, my son cannot marry [?] But then he wanted to compensate for it so he [?] her to Sher Afkhan another, you see, court [yogi suggests : courtier, c.o.u.r.t.i.e.r] to one of his courtiers and he sent him to their wars [?] so that there is no disturbance with their marriage, you see. But it so happened, you see, when Salim became Jahangir, the one [?] and in the war with Afghans fought against Jahangir and he lost his life. So, you see, this girl developed a feeling against Jahangir, telling things like, she thinks : “He has killed my husband because he wants to have me.” And she came to Delhi, because she had a house there so she went [down to] Delhi and then what happened that he said that : “You must marry.” He forced her marriage she said : “You can marry me if you want but you cannot have me as a wife : you have killed my husband, you cannot have me”. Now, he was the emperor of India that ime and she refused to marry. And she was in love to begin with but once she had a husband she forgot about her love and she was dedicated to her husband. And they are Muslims. Now this girl went, uh. Then after some time what happened then this Salim could not bear this idea that's she's here and I cannot marry her and he was so [?] that he developed a terrible disease. And the physicians said that unless and until you marry this girl you won't be saved. So his mother was in [New Delhi?] Akbar had married Jhodabai. It's very, you see, our Indian life, name is 'nanatva' means is full of varieties and beauties. So this Jodhabai, imagine, Akbar married her and if you go and see, I don't know if you have seen the Agra's fort. Did you see Agra fort? Yeah? Alright. Then in Agra they have this fort in which Jodhabai is [lies?died?] there. He made all in Rajput architecture, indian – uh, hindu architecture, you see so that she could come to there. [?] And Jodhabai just thought of a trick, she said : “Now, I must try some trick to save my son.” So she became an ordinary maid servant and she went to her. So, she was the mother Queen, imagine. For her son's sake she [made?] to this lady and tried to serve her as a maid. She looked after her and gave her love and was very kind to her. So this, she said : “ What can I do for you? What? You ask me anything”. She said : “Will you give me anything I ask?” “Yes,” she said “if it is in my power I will give you.” So, she said : “Alright, I request you to marry my son.” She said : “Alright I will marry your son.” See, she was willing to marry the son of her maid but she would not marry with the emperor. See the character. And then that turned out to be Salim with which she had to marry. Then she married him and she never used to drink, Nur Jahan never drank. But Salim would drink so she made Fathepur Sikri for him and [?]take him to beautiful place, gave him all the pleasures of life and she actually [ ruled the place]. And Salim is known for [fair play?], you see, for justice, he was known for justice. He would not deny justice to anyone, everybody gets [vice, you know, it's normal?] but he had one vice of drinking. This is the story about modern [?] they say [?]. Maybe in modern time women who are dedicated to their husbands and by that they have powers. So, this was another place they've got. So we have Yatis or you can call them Yogis or people who had such powers that they could just look at somebody and [?] just make them into ashes. We had people of that. But these were destructive powers in a way, you see. But the cunning of Krishna has used many a time these powers to kill the rakshasas. Like there was one yogi, you see, he was sleeping for ages, he was sleeping only, he was enjoying his sleep because he had achieved through, he thought that : “I've achieved achieved whatever I wanted.” He was just sleeping like this in a cave, you see. He was in a cave and he was sleeping in a cave all his life, you see. And it was said that the one who will awaken him and the one whom he will see for the first time will be killed. So, this was the thing given to him by Shiva. Shiva had given him this [?], so this boon. So, there was another one rakshasa who was horrid and he had so many boons from Shiva that he had become actually [invulnerable?] and nobody could kill him, you see. And in the war, with, with Krishna, Krishna found it difficult : “How to kill him now because he has been [saved?] by Shiva? Now, what to do?” So, he thought of this trick, you see, He started running out of the battlefield, so He's called as 'ranchordas', the one who runs away from the battlefield. Ran away from the battlefield, you see, is a 'ranchordas'. So He ran away from there and He ran up to this cave, you see. There He went and He was wearing a shawl, you see, and He covered this yogi with the, this shawl completely, very carefully He did so that he was not awakened and He hid Himself. Now this fellow followed Him and ran after Him and he also entered into the cave and he saw this was sleeping with the shawl on – Special own methods of Shri Krishna, see? And he saw he's sleeping now, so he : “Now, I know where you are. This is a, you've calm now, you are tired of running and you are sleeping. Now, I see how You are wicked.” [?] and as soon as he pulled the shawl, you see, this fellow got up and saw him. This is of Krishna's time. So, but simultaneously as I said other people working out the Bhakti [cult?] was there. People used to have also Bhakti, they used to worship gods and they used to ask to meet them. This was the another type which could not read the Upanishadas and could not recite the Mantras and all [Prakrut?], the people, the general public was doing Bhakti and asking God the help and all that. While the rishis were there who had [empowered?]. Lots of story were there even in the Puranas there are the story of a people who are very great saints, who have got Bhakti, through that they had powers. And there was one story, very beautiful story which is, I would say, in one Purana, can't remember which Purana it is, that there was a man who had developed lots of powers, you see. He could kill [?] birds looking at the bird, you see. So, he went out and he went in the, he was meditating under a tree and there was a bird who started disturbing. The bird started chirping and he got disturbed and into temper and the bird died, you see. And the bird died, fell down, he was very prowd of killing the bird.. So he went to next village and there he begged for food, you see, from a house you see, so he sort of knocked at the door and the lady came out and he said : “I want some food, you see.” She said : “You see, my husband is not in the house.” It's a custom now, without the permission of the husband you are not to give alms to, even to any Guru because that's how Sita was taken away by Ravana, you see. So, she refused, she said : “No, I'm sorry, my husband is not in house I cannot give you food.” So, he looked at her she said : “You cannot kill me the way you killed the bird this morning.” “How does she know?” So he touched her feet, his power was useless. She said : “I know through my Sati powers but the one who is higher than me, you see, is such and such, you go and meet him on such and such date, you see.” He got a shock, you see, he was shocked. He said : “You go and ask for such a name and you will be meeting then.” So he went down to the another village and there, you see, he went and asked where is the [?] he said : “ You have to see him there, you see, that shop. There was a man standing there and he was selling meat and he was cutting all the things there nicely, he was a – uh, what you say – butcher, he was a butcher and he was cutting the meat and he was distributing all full of blood and all that. So, he said : “Are you such and such?” He said : “Yes, so what?” He said “You mean you are the one who is higher than that lady?” He said : “Who told you that?” “The lady has said.” “The lady, did she? Oh! I don't know about that.” so, he said : “What are your powers?” So he said : “My powers are sahaj.” Now the left side power was of the Bhakti, of dedication and that's how they developed this Bhakti tattwas but the central power is the proper [?] of [?] which is absolutely suitable for growing..... [Tape interrupted.]

Seminar at Dollis Hill ashram, London (UK). 28 May 1979. It begins with the direction of spiritual evolution and goes on with many stories from Indian about 'dedicated women', Satis and Yatis, Mandodari, Gandhari (Kaurava's mother), Anasuya, Padmini, Nur Jahan...... « [Shri Mataji seems to be working on a SY] Alright, so now I take all your guilt upon Myself, now you forget it, alright. And I forgive you and I give you all My grace. You see, the one who carries the, guilt is your Ego. Alright ? and if there is no Ego who is going to carry your [ ?... Can you hear Me?] There it is? You see, if the hand has no Ego, the hand is [alright?] Alright then whatever the hand does is My job ? Is My responsibility.[...] Put your right hand on the heart, right. See, the advantage of guilt is this much , is that you correct it, that's all. But one should not allow it to be a guilt One should... supposing this is the mistake you've committed, then if you realize that it's a mistake then you try and correct it. But if you allow it to become a guilt you'll never correct it and you will enjoy that guilt even. It's an indulgence. [tape interrupted] (…) your spiritual being is all moving in a linear direction in all the sides, you see, and this is the movement is achieved because of [...lated?] you have done to yourself, I mean with science we have become nothing but different parts within ourselves, you see. So, like as I always say that you have to have two doctors for one nose, for one side is one doctor. So, but if so, if you have one common point between all of them like we had in India, you see from ancient time is God. God is the centrifugal force, you see, that is what you have to achieve, you see. So, whatever may be the movement outside you have to go up and up towards God you can say like a pillar it is and on the pillars is, say, you have to come up, reach God. Now, for that, you may go on the left and right but the attention should be on the central path is to, how to rise to God ; and this is the real way a living thing always moves, see : living. Dead things move in one direction but living things move in all directions. But the central thing, the central nucleus is kept intact. The whole has, whatever is the whole has a connection with the center and from the center the movement starts, you see. You never leave the center and you are always coming back to the center, you see, whatever you achieve on the periphery goes back to the center. And like that, like the amoeba whatever experiences it has goes back to the, is [kept?] back into the center, the nucleus. So nucleus again grows, you see, it becomes, it divides and then it improves and it evolves like that. So, when you move on all the sides and give all that knowledge whatever you have from periphery back to the center, you see, the center then starts evolving, the nucleus starts developing, the chromosomes start [?] , you see, the number of chromosomes increases gradually till you become a human being. This is the way evolution is which is a living process again, it's not a process which can be brought out by thinking which is a linear process, you see. Linear process cannot bring forth the evolutionary living growth. That you can see in an ordinary cell or group of cells, whatever it is. If there are group of cells it will have a, some central point, you see. So, all the group of cells will work it out, leave it to the central point, give all good things and the central point will also tell all these, uh, sub-points in every cell and then they will be connected. So, this is the way it works out while linear movement is similar type and only one movement like this, you see it has,uh, all the information and goes on collecting information, collecting information, never reach back. And even if it tries to feed back it again moves in the same direction, does not take, uh, the advantage of the rest of it. You see, this is the way the linear movement is. In mental, of course, adventures, you see, what you do is to go find out something and then you keep it back, society's fed back again and then the society also gives you information about that problem and then again you move in this linear way. Also on the social plane also if you see it works out the same way. Societies are grown also the same way, but, what I mean to say, that the plane of mental activity is separated from the social activity. The plane of the social activity is separated from the spiritual activity. So there are different planes, they work on different planes, so the movement is all the time on that plane only and there is no co-relationship between all these things with central path. Now, when, say, this is, supposing which has to be a living process, so first human beings were born, say, in a country like India. So, they just thought that we are faced with the matter, we have to know what is in the matter, how the matter is to be controlled, [? handled by us], how are we going to overpower it, how are we [?] to use it? So, the first is they have to fix the point because if they move too much they'll be [drift?] out, you see, and what is the point is the Ishwara, the Supreme Be-ing, that's what they achieved. Then in that time, in the beginning they did not talk even of Shiva, or many gods, or deities, nothing. So, this I'm telling in ancient time when the Upanishadas were written, or the Vedas were written. So the first problem to the man was: “ How to handle the elements?” So they started putting God there. Now God must be having His own, uh, deities in the elements. So they started finding out which are the deities of the elements. Because first problem was of the elements. So then they discovered Varuna and they discovered Indra and they discovered all other like for the, uh, Savita for the See and all that. So, they discovered all the deities that are controlling the elements. In the science this is negated, nobody believe in any deities or... Because they thought if you have to move from God, then, say, supposing if you have to go from the president downward then you have to find out up to the district level also who is the district officer. You see if you move that way. But if you have to move from the other hand that you just go to the [minister?... what will you have? You see, nothing] You'll have no information that way. So they thought, first of all we must go to the deities of the elements. So we must excite and we must, uh, invoke the deities. So they sat down to find out what are the mantras by which we can really invoke. So then the Shrutis were improved and Smrutis were improved and they started exciting these mantras. Now, simultaneously, at the same time, you see, there was also left hand side acting. This is the right hand side acting, as you know the elements are on the right hand side. So left hand activity was there, was also Bhakti. The Bhakti is devotion to God and you must worship God and they, all that was there. So both things were put together. That there is a heart movement also and the brain movement. So they started going to the supra-conscious area, trying to find out about the Sun, about the Moon, now this is what they... Surya Mandala and the Chandra Mandala and all these things they tried to find out, then what is the subtle deities which work out this movement you see. They went up to the Anu, Parmanu. Anu is an atom, Paramanu is a molecule, they went up to that and by the time it was Rama's age, you see, the mastery over matter was great. You know Rama went by a plane, a [?] to Ayoddhya and they say that there were 268 [?] in that plane and there were no machines, you see, only the [?] there will move the thing and they had the pilot less bombs in Mahabharata if you read the war in Mahabharata you will be surprised the kind of weapons they had. And [Yuddhas?] is the siege, sieges, you see : how to plan the siege, how to plan a siege that the army cannot get out. Now they were only five Pandavas who had to fight Kauravas who were so many of them. Apart from that they had a big army. So Krishna was very clever. They went to Krishna and both of them said that : “You are equal to both of us, so you cannot take sides.” So He said : “Correct, I cannot take sides, so what should we do?” He said : “ There are... You see, we would like to have Him for him. [?] to help him.” He said : “Now, I can divide Myself in two halves : one is Myself and one is My army. Now whosoever wants Me can have Me and whosoever wants My army can have My army.” So, you see, like fools these Kaurava said : “We'll now have your army.” while Pandavas said we'll have you. And He said : “Yes, but one thing : I'm not going to take... And they said the compulsion is that you are not going to take any armor in your hand [?] no weapon nothing. I'm just going to do the chariot's job for Arjuna.” Imagine. And that's how they fought the war. So because Pandavas were blessed by Krishna they had all the Supra-conscious powers with them and that's how they knew all the Chakra [Bhima?]. Abhimanyu, you see, was a great general expert on Chakra Bhimas and he heard his father telling Draupadi about the Chakra Bhima, you see, when she was pregnant. And he heard that time and remembered, but ultimately it, the end of it. So he failed and he died somehow [?] Young son. Now this Abhimanyu was the son of Arjuna, see. Now, all this shows that they were very developed people. They had pilot less bombs, they had guided missiles and all that, you see. Even Rama used to send guided missiles. From Lanka He went to, from there He could guide them going up to Ravana to kill him directly. All these weapons. But simultaneously the left side was also working It's not only the right side was working. Even on the right side there were many [?] For example, on the side of the men, it was, uh, they were doing these havanas. Now what is this havan normally is, normally is? Is the, is to control all the Grahas, you see, all the planets. Because if you control the planets you can control [?] So all the Navagrahas they will make and worship them. Then all these Surya, Chandra and all these Mandala, all these they would worship and offer them things. Then fire worship was another thing : to worship fire because if you worship fire you can control fire, you see. And then to worship water also, worship Akasha, all these things are, ether. All the elements are to be worshiped and to get to the, to get to the [?] we can call it. So for example if I want to have the Sun, I don't have to bother, [I tell the Sun and it is there, you see]. I can ask the rain to stop, I can ask the Sun come in, I can do whatever I please if I want, you see it is very easy because they're under My command, you see. I just call them, they're there. But because they were not under your command, so the human beings started working on their sides : means to command the Sun, how to command the Moon. And they did like Parashar muni had the power to control the Sun, he had the power to control the Sun, you see, there's a story about him Vyasa's father Parashar muni. But he did not understand everything which he should have understood, it was of move towards the right hand side movement, you see. Now, this movement started with Yagnya and and all that and the Shrutis and Smrutis, and describing all the Mandalas, how to get [?] the Mandalas and all that. They also went up to this point that they could find out the mines under the earth, you see, in those days, imagine. There were no mines, I mean there were no way of finding out the mines also there was, uh, you see, now you have such instruments to find out all these things but there were no such things to find out. How you can find out the mines? We have so much of gold in our country. From where did they get it? Then how did they fish out the pearls? And they had much more wealth than we have now in that country, you see. And how did they built these big houses? And they created Maya Nagaris and all kinds of things, you know, if you switch on a [?] it will come out, the whole city will come up. If you switch off the whole city will disappear, again it would come up. Means like that they had all these things. If you read the Mahabharata, how these people created, specially Draupadi... [Yogi interrupts : “Is this called Ritambhara PrAgnya?”] Yes, they called as Ritambhara PrAgnya that Pra-gnya. 'Gnya' is knowledge, 'Pra' is enlightened, you see, this was the Ritambhara PrAgnya by which they discovered all these things and they could master it and they have really masted all this. How? They had to develop it because there were two types of horrible forces which were going against them. Means one of them is the elements and another was the demonic force, you see. And the generals had realized that, as there are deities, also we can use some horrible, these spirits. So, they had mastered those spirits. Now there are some spirits that they could use like they can bring the [whirlwind?] they can create turmoil. There are some spirits if you know how to control them, they can bring these viruses, you see. This virus infection is nothing but dead, these are the spirits of the dead. See, so, they collected all the dead animals for spirits and then [looked at?] those spirits and then [use?] these spirits. They went to that side and that's how they [? were mastered] so they had to do something about these things so, uh, they wanted to master the deities which are residing in the elements so that they could [harness?] everything that was disturbing their [?]. So first then this was started. [?...] I said, there were other planes. On the right hand side also was another one where the wives, you see, the dedicated wives you can say the devoted wives as called as Sat... one are known as Yatis and other as Satis. So, the ones who tried to find out about elements and overpower the elements and all those things, they, they were Yatis and the ones who tried to find out about, uh sought the mast... have the mastery with their will power, you see were the devoted women. They do master the [?elements] as well. Though the devoted women are regarded even higher than Yatis, you know, Satis are higher than Yatis. Uh, Satis are called as, uh, in Sanskrit name is Ucchadas they are much higher than the Yatis so their achievements were much more in dimension because what they have used their bhakti also, because they were dedicated to their husbands. One of them you can give is Ravana's wife is taken for example, Ravana's wife. She was so powerful, such a powerful woman She was. Of course She was Mahakali Herself so that should give Her [?...] Mahakali She was Herself, but She was a Sati [as She came?] So She had the Sahaja Asana. She had the Sahaja power, but there are many Satis who achieved Sati power. And this [?]lady, you see this Sati, Mandodari She was Ravana's wife. Now when She married him she had to marry though She was Mahakali, there's also a big story. If I go through that story also is very interesting [that She was meeting Rama also] so she was married to him and when Ravana, you see, was fighting Rama, She was the Sati and She was a devotee of Shri Vishnu and She always used to worship Shi Vishnu. So She threw Her [Kankan? *Bracelet of thread used in Pujas*?] very interesting [Aparte] So all these [Kankan?], you know, She threw it in the air. She threw it in the air. And Rama's arrows were coming and they would return back [around?] because Rama cannot cross beyond the power of a Sati also. He has to respect Her because She was the devotee of Rama first of all, and which you know that Kali is the sister of... Uma is the sister of Vishnu, so you see how can He kill the husband of [yogi interrupts? : His sister] you see all of these points are there. And this Kankana was in the air, is projected. Everything failed, you see, nothing would go, even Sudarchan Chakra would be going backside. So Lakshmana said : “What are you doing? What is it? You are getting back your, here arrows. Why don't you control your arrows?” He said “[?But you know, see Uma's there”.. He saw this Mandodari moving there...? He said : “Oh, God, now you have it. Is this not going to work out then? Am I useless then?” Even Lakshmana was sitting very much in frustration. Then Yama, the God of death, he thought: “The time is coming and what is this Kankan doing here... you see, so must try to solve this problem.” So, he is the clever one. He went into the heart of... or he went into the mind of Ravana and told him : “Oh, you are not one of those winning the war. It is your wife's anger.” And his Ego was challenged. “You see in the air, you the that Kali is there. That is the one that is protecting you.” Very angry : “What does She mean by challenging my manliness? And so he went down to his palace and he saw She was sitting there smiling. She said : “I knew you will come back.” He said : “What do you mean? I cannot fight the war? It is all done by your powers? Will you quickly get back your Kankana...? It's my order.” So, as a Sati you have to obey the orders of your husband, you see. She said : “alright, I will take back.” You see. So, but you can find out loopholes, you see. That, that's the [?] so She said: “Now, I've taken back My Kankan.” Then She sat before Vishnu. She said: “How dare you kill My husband? I will not eat food till he comes back here alive, I will not eat.” Now Vishnu had a problem : now what to do He cannot kill, Rama being Vishnu, you see, He cannot kill Ravana. Vishnu said : “What to do?” So He told Lakshmana : “This is a big problem?”. So Lakshmana informed Yama : “ Again see the problem has come : She won't eat food till Her husband goes back.” So Yama said : “I know it's very dangerous but I have to try this trick otherwise I'm in for trouble. This man has to die, you see the time has come.” So Yama said with a very big respect, you see to Sati : [“ Why you go fighting also this...?”] He said : “Alright, I will manage it.” He took the form of Ravana himself, he became, he started looking like Ravana. And He went there and He stood up in the [?] He said : “Now, see, I've come now.” She said : “Did you win the war”. So He said : “Yes.” He said : “Alright, now, will you eat your food?” And the food was hanging before Her. And She made a mistake there : She ate the food. Before your husband has taken the food you are not supposed to eat your food, that's why Indian women will never eat it. Because this gives them power, you see. To be a dedicated wife means power. So they do not mind, even if their husbands are bad, even if they are Rakshasas, they're anything : they will be dedicated to their husbands. They'll love their husband so that they keep their own powers and by that they save their husbands' also. So He stood up there [?] : “Eat your food.” As soon as She ate the food, not even She ate the first morcel [Ravana felt cursed?] And the head fell at the feet [?] and then, you know, He, Yama get His own form and She cursed Him that you will be a dog. And He became a dog [Later on He has become?]. So, they are so powerful. But this I'm telling you about someone who was sort of a Sahaja [Samarthya?] [Yogi interrupts about : Which dog was this, Mother? Which dog?...This dog was in the car which... in company of Yuddhishthira...] Of course he was, yes. You see, actually it is uh, after Rama whatever curses and anything were carried on during the time of Krishna. So, you can say His dog, the one who followed Yuddhishthira, you see, Dharmaraja. So, this story tells you about Mandodari who was uh, Kali, Uma, She was Parvati Shakti, so it's different. But of an ordinary lady Gandhari she was the wife of Dhitarashtra who was a blind man, the father of Kauravas. And this Gandhari tied a cloth on her eyes all her life, she never saw anything because her husband was blind. She said : “If he's not going to see anything, I'm also no going to see it.” And she worked it out that way. Her eyes became so powerful, very powerful because of that closing of her eyes. Going to that extreme she developed that power of [?Bhamat] dhrishti they call it. This is called as [Bhasmat?] Dhrishti; And there's another Dhrishti is [Anant?] Dhrishti by which if you see anything that becomes, that cannot be killed. So she called her eldest son who was Duryodhana who was a horrible fellow, who was in the war. She called him, she said : “You'd better become naked. I'll put my, I'll open my eyes and put my Dhrishti, means the vision, on you and you will be absolutely Amara, means you will not be... you will be immortal.” And she made him vain, sort of a... he was very much happy about it. But he thought : “I'm such a grown up boy, how can I be naked before my mother fully?” So he said “ I'll wear a little [?]” so he could face his mother because it is shameful to face your mother like that. So when she opened her eyes, she removed the thing, her eyes came on the body and that part which was covered, you see, did not received her blessing. So he was weak in that part. So when Bhima, you see, killed Duryodhana he knows this trick, he knows that part is weak so what he did he put one foot on his one leg and another leg he opened out because that was the weak point and he made him [?] that's how he was killed. Otherwise he could not have been killed by anything because that was the weak point he had which [it up?] that's how he killed him. So these were the power of the devoted wife so this was another plane where they developed power of a devoted wife and a dedicated wife. Then this power was used also, misused, abused, people did it, but even, you see, this same Gandhari, the one who has done this was a very powerful woman during the time of Krishna. And she told Krishna that you are Vishnumaya, you are the one who is this and you can take birth many a time but the way you have killed all my hundred child of mine, you've finished my complete dynasty, no more Kauravas left on this earth means the same way Your dynasty will be finished. He's of the Yaduwamsha, you see He's the Yadavas, He was the Yadava. All the Yadavas will be killed and you will be killed in an [?] and Krishna had to accept that curse on His and He was killed in an [?] of, because Sati is the one, is the purest form of devotee to the wife , you see it's easy – to the husband - easy to be dedicated to God because God is perfect, you see, God is perfect. He gives you love, He gives you this... But a husband gives what? He gives you nothing. He tries your patience all your life. To be dedicated to such a person... gives you a real training in dedication [if you keep on saying...?] you see, like the Gurus, you see, same way, they try the patience of the Bhaktas, you see, they say : “Go ahead, go ahead.” That's the same principle, based on the same principle as the lady, you see, who worships her husband who is a horrible fellow, like Ravana is. you see. [?] Dhritarashtra, the [?] fellow. Like there was another one Anasuya was another very great woman in Indian, Anasuya. She was so great She changed, I mean She made the sun wane, she made the river change its course, She did all kinds of things for Her husband who was a horrid fellow. He was absolutely the [?greedi]est possible fellow with all [?] because of [?] all his life, you see. And he would, he cheat her and everything, then he got horrible diseases because all his life he was so [frustrated?] Then he got leprosy, he got this. She took him from one place to another to all the [temples?] and everything and She defied all the nature [?] such a powerful woman She cured Her husband, she got everything done, you see, very powerful woman. And then Narmada, the river, see, that we have, She Herself was the deity. And now She is the – uh, She was actually, uh She never married. When She loved somebody and wanted to marry, you see, She dedicated Herself fully to that love then She became this river, you see, and it's the Virgin River. So, in India, you see, people do not take out water from that river Narmada; They just say : “Alright, this is the river we are not going to touch, we are not going to take out the water out of this river.” I mean, it was so deep into us, you see, we had known all these things all along. So, the Sati used to be feared very much, you see, I'm also a little afraid of them, the way they are, you see. Oh, as if someone has a husband, you know, who is wanting a divorce from a Sati, I think : “I'm out of it. I'm not for it, you see. Keep Me out. I'm not...” See, they are not to be disturbed. We have examples of them in modern times also very much in India, you see, terrible Satis, like Padmini, a terrible one. Padmini was a very beautiful woman and she was attacked by this King who was... who heard about her beauty and he asked that he should have a [leave?] with her. [Yogi interrupts : This is the one whom he saw...in the mirror?] but then Padmini said : “Otherwise if he's going to attack all the country, I don't mind if he can see me in the mirror.” So she can see in the mirror. So he went and saw her in the mirror. Then it became even worse, you see, he said : “I must have her otherwise I'll have to attack.” So, Padmini said that... [tape interruption?] You see they could not understand how can they allow their queen to be passed to other people because this would be the greatest insult, you see, it's a very different country altogether, the [?] is different not like you allow your queens to be [?] by a king even. What sort of a thing it is? A queen is a queen, he may be king. So they would not allow such a thing, they said : “No, this time we are going to fight it out.” So they sent a word that Padmini is coming with her maids and they all dressed up like ladies, you see, that inside the palanquins and the king stands on the palanquin of the queen, you see, and they had many palanquins, one thousand palanquins. And inside the palanquins stands all these [ladies?] dressed up outside like a Sari they put and inside they're all armour and everything they put. And the men, four men carried one palanquin, you see. So, the four men were also warriors, all covered with things and they had all the things put inside, all the arms put inside the palanquin and that's how they walked into the enemy’s camp and they. And they had told these ladies : “If we win, well and good. If we do not win, then we'll lit a fire at a particular point and they'll see the fire from the port. Then you have to go on a pyre” It was a common in India to have a fire made and on that a woman would burn herself out, you see, it was a [tapah?] you see. English did not understand [?] the Sati system. They cannot understand, you see, when we believe that that way we get our powers. So they made a pyre, fire a pyre because they would not allow other men to touch their bodies Indian woman does like any men to touch their body unless and until they're younger than them like children is different but as older person like that they don't like, you see, that other men should touch them because they think their power will be gone if they have bad lust or anything in their head then that power will be lost, you see. So, this pyre was made is called as Jauhar, you see, and all the women climb on the pyre because they've also – they lost the battle, see, they saw the fire. And the whole thing burned out, you see, nothing was left for the king when he came to the […] But we had a muslim Sati, see, we have [?] Sati [?] and that's how our country is so great, with these great women who are not only respected but are extremely respectable. Women of great strength [?] now this is the age of they say Nur Jahan. Have you been to Fatehpur Sikri? All of you did not go but some of you did go to Fatehpur. Now, she's the one who created Fathepur and she was the one who was in love with Salim the son of Akbar. And Akbar although he was a good man, he was a little [?] conscious, I think, so that he wouldn't allow this [?] sahab to become [Yogi interrupts : She was a dancer?] No, no, no, she was not. She was an ordinary queen... uh, actually, there's a story about her, how she came from Afghanisthan to India and what happened on the way. She, you see, when uh, she like [?] she was and he saw her there till he fell in love with her because she was so innocent. He had two doves in his hands that he just gave her that : “You just [?] till I'm coming back.” So she was holding the doves and when he comes back he saw that she had only one. “What did you do to another one?” she said : “I didn't do anything it just flew out.” He said : “How.” Otherwise she [?]it up and the other one also flew out this way.” So he laughed [?] and that's how he fell in love with her, so innocently it was. But after it came to [?] he said no, no, my son cannot marry [?] But then he wanted to compensate for it so he [?] her to Sher Afkhan another, you see, court [yogi suggests : courtier, c.o.u.r.t.i.e.r] to one of his courtiers and he sent him to their wars [?] so that there is no disturbance with their marriage, you see. But it so happened, you see, when Salim became Jahangir, the one [?] and in the war with Afghans fought against Jahangir and he lost his life. So, you see, this girl developed a feeling against Jahangir, telling things like, she thinks : “He has killed my husband because he wants to have me.” And she came to Delhi, because she had a house there so she went [down to] Delhi and then what happened that he said that : “You must marry.” He forced her marriage she said : “You can marry me if you want but you cannot have me as a wife : you have killed my husband, you cannot have me”. Now, he was the emperor of India that ime and she refused to marry. And she was in love to begin with but once she had a husband she forgot about her love and she was dedicated to her husband. And they are Muslims. Now this girl went, uh. Then after some time what happened then this Salim could not bear this idea that's she's here and I cannot marry her and he was so [?] that he developed a terrible disease. And the physicians said that unless and until you marry this girl you won't be saved. So his mother was in [New Delhi?] Akbar had married Jhodabai. It's very, you see, our Indian life, name is 'nanatva' means is full of varieties and beauties. So this Jodhabai, imagine, Akbar married her and if you go and see, I don't know if you have seen the Agra's fort. Did you see Agra fort? Yeah? Alright. Then in Agra they have this fort in which Jodhabai is [lies?died?] there. He made all in Rajput architecture, indian – uh, hindu architecture, you see so that she could come to there. [?] And Jodhabai just thought of a trick, she said : “Now, I must try some trick to save my son.” So she became an ordinary maid servant and she went to her. So, she was the mother Queen, imagine. For her son's sake she [made?] to this lady and tried to serve her as a maid. She looked after her and gave her love and was very kind to her. So this, she said : “ What can I do for you? What? You ask me anything”. She said : “Will you give me anything I ask?” “Yes,” she said “if it is in my power I will give you.” So, she said : “Alright, I request you to marry my son.” She said : “Alright I will marry your son.” See, she was willing to marry the son of her maid but she would not marry with the emperor. See the character. And then that turned out to be Salim with which she had to marry. Then she married him and she never used to drink, Nur Jahan never drank. But Salim would drink so she made Fathepur Sikri for him and [?]take him to beautiful place, gave him all the pleasures of life and she actually [ ruled the place]. And Salim is known for [fair play?], you see, for justice, he was known for justice. He would not deny justice to anyone, everybody gets [vice, you know, it's normal?] but he had one vice of drinking. This is the story about modern [?] they say [?]. Maybe in modern time women who are dedicated to their husbands and by that they have powers. So, this was another place they've got. So we have Yatis or you can call them Yogis or people who had such powers that they could just look at somebody and [?] just make them into ashes. We had people of that. But these were destructive powers in a way, you see. But the cunning of Krishna has used many a time these powers to kill the rakshasas. Like there was one yogi, you see, he was sleeping for ages, he was sleeping only, he was enjoying his sleep because he had achieved through, he thought that : “I've achieved achieved whatever I wanted.” He was just sleeping like this in a cave, you see. He was in a cave and he was sleeping in a cave all his life, you see. And it was said that the one who will awaken him and the one whom he will see for the first time will be killed. So, this was the thing given to him by Shiva. Shiva had given him this [?], so this boon. So, there was another one rakshasa who was horrid and he had so many boons from Shiva that he had become actually [invulnerable?] and nobody could kill him, you see. And in the war, with, with Krishna, Krishna found it difficult : “How to kill him now because he has been [saved?] by Shiva? Now, what to do?” So, he thought of this trick, you see, He started running out of the battlefield, so He's called as 'ranchordas', the one who runs away from the battlefield. Ran away from the battlefield, you see, is a 'ranchordas'. So He ran away from there and He ran up to this cave, you see. There He went and He was wearing a shawl, you see, and He covered this yogi with the, this shawl completely, very carefully He did so that he was not awakened and He hid Himself. Now this fellow followed Him and ran after Him and he also entered into the cave and he saw this was sleeping with the shawl on – Special own methods of Shri Krishna, see? And he saw he's sleeping now, so he : “Now, I know where you are. This is a, you've calm now, you are tired of running and you are sleeping. Now, I see how You are wicked.” [?] and as soon as he pulled the shawl, you see, this fellow got up and saw him. This is of Krishna's time. So, but simultaneously as I said other people working out the Bhakti [cult?] was there. People used to have also Bhakti, they used to worship gods and they used to ask to meet them. This was the another type which could not read the Upanishadas and could not recite the Mantras and all [Prakrut?], the people, the general public was doing Bhakti and asking God the help and all that. While the rishis were there who had [empowered?]. Lots of story were there even in the Puranas there are the story of a people who are very great saints, who have got Bhakti, through that they had powers. And there was one story, very beautiful story which is, I would say, in one Purana, can't remember which Purana it is, that there was a man who had developed lots of powers, you see. He could kill [?] birds looking at the bird, you see. So, he went out and he went in the, he was meditating under a tree and there was a bird who started disturbing. The bird started chirping and he got disturbed and into temper and the bird died, you see. And the bird died, fell down, he was very prowd of killing the bird.. So he went to next village and there he begged for food, you see, from a house you see, so he sort of knocked at the door and the lady came out and he said : “I want some food, you see.” She said : “You see, my husband is not in the house.” It's a custom now, without the permission of the husband you are not to give alms to, even to any Guru because that's how Sita was taken away by Ravana, you see. So, she refused, she said : “No, I'm sorry, my husband is not in house I cannot give you food.” So, he looked at her she said : “You cannot kill me the way you killed the bird this morning.” “How does she know?” So he touched her feet, his power was useless. She said : “I know through my Sati powers but the one who is higher than me, you see, is such and such, you go and meet him on such and such date, you see.” He got a shock, you see, he was shocked. He said : “You go and ask for such a name and you will be meeting then.” So he went down to the another village and there, you see, he went and asked where is the [?] he said : “ You have to see him there, you see, that shop. There was a man standing there and he was selling meat and he was cutting all the things there nicely, he was a – uh, what you say – butcher, he was a butcher and he was cutting the meat and he was distributing all full of blood and all that. So, he said : “Are you such and such?” He said : “Yes, so what?” He said “You mean you are the one who is higher than that lady?” He said : “Who told you that?” “The lady has said.” “The lady, did she? Oh! I don't know about that.” so, he said : “What are your powers?” So he said : “My powers are sahaj.” Now the left side power was of the Bhakti, of dedication and that's how they developed this Bhakti tattwas but the central power is the proper [?] of [?] which is absolutely suitable for growing..... [Tape interrupted.]

5/30/1979

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The Three Paths Of Evolution

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The Three Paths Of Evolution, public programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK). 30 May 1979. I am here to talk to you about a higher life than what we know of, about a power that pervades, permeates, every other power; and about the world which is called as the world of bliss and joy. You must have heard about all these words before also. But I am here to tell you about the instrument that resides within us, all nicely planted within our being, as clear as you see here in the picture, which is a living instrument, which you can also see pulsating actually with your own eyes when the Kundalini, this coiled energy, rises. We have already been blessed to have this ascent into our own being, the breakthrough into the unconscious, to enter into another new dimension all together in our awareness by which we really can find out answers to all your absolute questions. So far, in the ancient India, we had three types of movements. I don’t know if you are aware of all of them, but we had three types. And the reflections of that were manifesting in that country, also in other countries. Even in England we have had people who have been very busy finding out the answers to many fundamental questions, absolute questions. So the seeking has been everywhere in the whole world. But, as I have told you before, India was perhaps the best country, because of its climatic conditions, and because there was a lot of scope for people to go into secluded places to find out the answer to their seeking. Today I would like to tell you the three methods, or three ways, we have been seeking and the results of that. The first one is on the left-hand side: is the path by which they had devotion to God, what they call the bhakti. They sang praise of God without seeking Him. They called Him, they asked His help. In the beginning they thought that the greatest challenge they have is from the elements; so they tried to overpower the elements. And in that overpowering of elements the movement was on the right-hand side, in which they used many methods by which they could excite or could innovate, as they call it, the deities or the subtle principles of the elements. The first one was that of the devotees and the second one that of the people who were trying to find out the way to master the elements. The third one was in the centre and there were two types of people who searched. I would say the one who searched, the another which incarnated on this Earth to help, and this was the evolutionary path of our ascent. The evolutionary path of our ascent came into light, you will be amazed, much later than Krishna Himself came on this Earth, even after Christ, people started talking about the methods of evolution within us. So we should have no confusion about these three methods. Because of the bhakti of people, because of the asking of the people, the different aspects of God descended on this Earth as incarnations. Whether all this I say is true or not, you need not believe, because I am putting a hypothesis before you. And then later on you can find out if it is true or not. You have to only keep your mind open like a scientist to know about it. Now the middle path of evolution is the one that we are going to discuss here. The one that deals with the mastering of the nature, is the one they used in the Vedas where they did not mention even the deities, they did not mention anything about God Almighty, but only talked of the Brahma Tattwa, the one principle by which all the five elements are governed. And all those mantras and slokas, to excite the elements, were recited just to get the benediction of these elements as well as the control over them. So once upon a time, say, twelve thousand years back, in India, we had pilotless bombs. We had instruments that could work out much better than your missiles. They achieved it through this method of Right Side innovation. When I went to Colombia I was so surprised that they also used the Right Side methods. For that they used to also take a kind of an intoxicant which we call ‘somras’ in India. It was an intoxicant which would not give you a habit but would take you to a state where you could understand that there is beyond something; you can say something like LSD maybe. But this LSD that you take is very different from the one they used. It was, I should say, a holy thing which had something to do with God; because whatever in India they tried to search, they kept the centrifugal force acting on them, which was the assumption that there is God. So they did not deviate too much from the Right Side. They did not go too far. As a result of that search, science came to us. It came through the unconscious, all the discoveries. But our awareness – after all this world is one whole – our awareness was tuned up to a point where we could understand science. As a result of that kind of innovation they mastered a lot of things and they organised many wars as we are doing nowadays. And in those wars there are descriptions of aeroplanes and all kinds of ayudha they call it weapons, which are fantastic. But there was another movement going on, on the left-hand side where people did not care for all these things. This was meant for the kshatriyas, the kings, who were very ambitious and wanted to overpower the whole world. But the Left Side gentry, I would say, the people who were dedicated to God, who always asked for the help of God, were busy organizing dedications and what we call worships, pujas, according to their own understanding. But the central path was looked after by two forces: The first one those who were the seekers under some gurus, who were realised souls of a very high level. And the other were the incarnations who came on this Earth to protect, to save, the devotees of God. This movement was very secretive in the beginning, extremely secretive. Only one or two people they would employ to this kind of work from the whole society. In one generation you could hardly find five or six people doing this work of evolving people into new awareness. This I am telling you before the time even Vedas were written. Because the incarnations that were to come, who had not established, were kept as a very guarded secret. The reason was that if they had disclosed that these are the incarnations who are going to come then the negative forces, which were trying to pull down the evolution, would organise a method by which they would destroy these incarnations before their coming. But still, as you can see in the life of Christ, that coming of Christ was declared much before Christ came in by the prophets who made prophecies. All these prophets belong to the category of the Gurus I am talking about. So all over the world three types of movements were on. For example the scientists on the right-hand side, we can say, and the left-hand side are the devotees of God who sing the praise of God. And in the centre there were people like Moses, like Abraham, who came on this Earth just to prophecies, just to protect the devotees of God. Now this middle movement of evolution today has reached its peak, because all the incarnations have arrived now and have done their job within you. They have occupied their position within you, in your awareness, on these different centres. So the first centre that we have here which is established in the carbon atom. Carbon has got four hands in the same way this centre has also got four hands. You can see the four sides of this centre. That means up to the matter stage it is even below that. Then the carbon started the living. This carbon atom actually ignited the living process in the matter. Though the time taken for this, since the time the Earth seceded from the sun, is very, very short. I mean nobody can explain why and how it could happen: some Juggler could only do that job. So this carbon atom started the triggering of living beings. Afterwards, we can say that the incarnation of the centre, this green coloured centre, which we call as the Nabhi Chakra – the incarnations started on this point, one after another taking different forms of living animals in the evolution. Like first the fish. It came as a fish. They say when Noah was having a bad time with the deluge this fish helped him. They came as an incarnation, that aspect of God which we call as evolutionary. That came as a fish on this Earth and then it came as quadruped. Then it came as a short man. It came as a strong man and on and on and on like that till we reached a stage where the top one you can see, over here. This is the stage where Shri Ram, who came eight-thousand years back. This was established within us like a milestone. They were the leaders of our evolution. They led us into evolution as well as they left a mark for us there and they exist within us in that path. So on the right side of the centre, this is called as the Heart Chakra, as you can call it Cardiac Chakra or we call it as Hridya Chakra in Sanskrit language. On the right-hand side appeared Shri Ram. Now why did He appear, Shri Ram, on the right-hand side, because He was to forget about His incarnation. He was to forget that, in essence, He is the evolutionary aspect of God which is Shri Vishnu, who resides in the centre here, because He was somewhere in different forms. So He was to forget about it. He had to behave just like a human being so that no human being suspects Him to be an incarnation. He became a king, a benevolent king, an ideal king, with all the limitations of a king and the beauty of a king. And that’s how this incarnation came on this Earth about eight-thousand years back. At the same time when this centre which is the we call it as Void, but you can call it as the whole universe, you can say; this was full of people who were negative and were trying to destroy the devotees of God. Then the Primordial Power which is called as the Adishakti, the primordial Mother, She came at that centre, much earlier than Rama. She came there about twelve-thousand years back to protect these devotees, from twelve thousand years, in one thousand incarnations. Of course, I think there have been much more but one thousand are the main incarnations which came on this Earth as Primordial Mother, they came to protect Her children, Her devotees. Now the topmost one, not the topmost but the second one, this centre is the centre where the Vishnu Tattwa, or the evolutionary aspect of the God, completely manifested. The complete manifestation of this principle took place, and that is the principle of Shri Krishna. So Shri Krishna is regarded as the complete manifestation of this evolutionary process. But God Almighty as we know Him is everything. He is not only the evolutionary principle, He’s also the existence on the left-hand side and He’s also the Creator on the right-hand side. But much before all this started another state of awareness was there. In that state of awareness this second centre that you see here is the Creator’s. He created, through His powers, all the universe, through all the elements; then this Earth. And on this Earth the cycle of life started. All these centres are within us. Now last of all, about two thousand years back, came the greatest incarnation of Christ. He was the son of God, the innocence. And He came on this Earth. At this point where you see this red mark, behind, in the brain. Between the pituitary and the pineal there’s a very subtle centre, He came there: for us to ascend, to us give the knowledge of the eternal life, to give the knowledge that whatever you see on this Earth is not the permanent thing, there’s something beyond. And in His resurrection He showed us how we all can be resurrected. This was the gate into the limbic area, what we call as the Sahasrara, because it has got one thousand petals. Now these petals, as they look like this lotus, it is actually like that within us, but in a sleeping state. You can see a candle. Now when the wick is there, you don’t see this form of the wick. Only when it is enlightened you see them in that form. Now when you put one thousand like that they all put together look like a lotus. But when it is not enlightened, you only say there are one thousand nerves but when these nerves are enlightened, you can see the light which is in different colours. So today we are here to know that, within us, all these incarnations exist, and the force that really brought forth, really manifested – who lived like human beings, and worked like gurus – that force which existed in this area, which created religion within us. Religion as we understand, organised religion, is not the religion. But the religion means your sustaining power. You are a human being because there are ten sustaining powers within you. So they came to sustain us and to give us full idea about these ten powers and to establish us in our religion as a human being. So these Gurus, who lived in that area, worked out the sustain and helped us. And this is one of the greatest forces we have got, which resides within us. And whatever they have said has a very great meaning. Actually we should say the main Gurus are ten, but there are many other gurus. And these ten Gurus could be described as Raja Janaka, then Moses, Abraham, and in modern times you can say Mohammed Sahib and even up to Shirdi Sainath in Shirdi that force came in for a short time, and then He disappeared. Nobody knows how He came there, He lived there and He died. Also if you know Nanaka, He was also the same force, the same Primordial Master, who was born on this Earth. Now this is not the time to tell about individual people, but I think one day I will talk to you only on this subject of the Gurus. So these Gurus first started under the Primordial Master Himself, who was called as Dattatreya. And this Dattatreya is the one who is comprising all these forces: the existence force and the evolutionary force and the creative force, all of them, in its innocence. I don’t know if you understand it, but there’s a story about them, that there are three deities which belong to these three forces. The left one is Shiva’s force, then the right one is Brahmadeva’s force and the centre one is Vishnu’s force. So they say that all these three Gods felt that the wife of Dattatreya was a great, devoted woman. And she, with her powers could curse anyone she feels like. So they wanted to take her test and wanted to find out how far she was a devoted wife, so they went to her and they told her that: “We want some alms.” And in India, it is regarded as a great honour to be able to give somebody alms who come to your house. And three saints, they were dressed up saints, they came to the door. So when they asked for alms, she said, “All right, I will get you some alms.” They said, “No, we’ll come inside the house, and you have to become completely naked and then give us the alms.” Because to become naked before a man, you lose all your powers as a devoted wife, as a sati. She said, “All right, if you say so, I will do it.” And she started taking out her clothes. As soon as she touched her clothes they became small children, absolutely small children, and she took out her clothes and gave them the alms. So these three small children put together make the Dattatreya, is the Guru, is the one who is innocent like a child, innocent like a child, who has no sense of sex. So we come to a conclusion a guru who has interest in women, a guru who has interest in sex, is not a guru but is anti-guru. Dattatreya is the innocence of all these three powers and this Guru was the one who then had a big tradition of gurus. In the same tradition we had many gurus in our country and specially in the area near Bombay, which is called as Maharastra. They came as Nath, they were called as Nath. So the first one was Adi Nath, then Dattatreya, then Macchindernath, then Gorakhnath, like that a tradition of these gurus came. But all their knowledge was kept as a guarded secret, it was a gupta vidya, is absolutely guarded secret, a secret knowledge about Kundalini. They never talked about it; they never told about it, because they thought that, “Just now let us experiment with it fully and then we will give some idea about it to people.” But as you see everywhere it happens, even it happens with us here sometimes, that we get people who do not get Realisation or are half-baked and they cannot rise much higher. Then they get very angry or sometimes they take this half-baked knowledge and start working on it and they go absolutely wrong on this side or that side. All such horrible gurus came up in those days also, but they were neutralised because I would say that people were spiritually a very very sensitive. Nowadays, the people are not. They are very naive. They have no sensitivity. You see from the face you can make out that a person is such and such, but they have no sensitivity left. You see they are so much used to masks. I asked, “Today why people cannot understand and why do they always have a mask on the faces? Nothing is beaming out of them, what is it?” So one told me a very interesting answer: was that because they listen to news and they see that the newsman is reading it and he gets lot of light on his face, so he has to keep detached from the news, he cannot show his any impressions or anything. He has to be absolutely detached when he is describing some news. So his face is just like a mask and that is why it happens. Whatever it is, we have become really naive as far as spirituality is concerned, and the people take advantage of it: a full advantage of this naive behavior or naive nature of others. For this you don’t have to go to books, you don’t have to go to any guru for this. It’s only a thing of the society in which you live. Natural societies have much more sensitivity to spirituality than artificially sort of brainwashed, you can call them, or brought up in a materialistic atmosphere. They lose their sensitivity to spirituality which is spontaneous, which is spontaneous; because we lose our spontaneity, we lose that natural – we call it as ‘Sahaja’, means ‘the spontaneous knowledge’ – to know who is a real person and who is unreal. So this force started manifesting itself gradually in the caves, in the very secret caves where only one or two were asked to go there. And first they were tested very badly. I mean the way they were tested some would run away! So for years together they would not get even one disciple who was capable of coming into this training. And at long last if they got one, they would work on him and then he may die without the experience. Then again he would be reborn, again he would die, like that it would go on for ages until then they found that the truth is within you, till they completely cleansed themselves and they became one with the Higher Being within themselves. But this was achieved so little that you will be amazed that Zen system of religion is exactly the same system, is avadhuta, which we call the Nath style, the same style is. And they say there have been only sixty-five Kashyapas, they call them, Kashyapas. Sixty-five, just imagine! Sixty-five in six centuries! So I think it would be one point something one every century! So these were the only people who got Realisation. And it was a very difficult procedure because they would raise this Kundalini up to a point and it would drop out. Then they would raise it and cleanse it and then again cleanse it and again push it forward. It would be something like pushing a car which doesn’t start: you push it, it comes back, again it goes forward, it’s cut. Then again you cleanse it and take it to the garage, you see it’s no good. Then you take it again back, wash it, clean it, again get under it and try to cleanse it again, the machinery, again it goes out. Like that it goes on and on and you get so fed up that you think, “Better let it go back to the factory to be completely renewed.” Then they made it again, put it back and like that it moved, the movement of this evolution, very, very gradually. And in this gradual movement they had…because if you move gradually you see many things. For example, if you are now going on a bullock cart – you don’t have any bullock carts, we still have bullock carts. If you have to go to villages, you have to go by bullock carts. And the speed of a bullock cart is maybe two miles per hour or maybe even sometimes less, it depends on the whims of the bullocks, you see. If they sit down in between, you can get down, cook your food and have your food very nicely, then again get back into the bullock cart and then again start moving. It could be a very, very slow movement. And then when you stop, you get so bored of that stay that you get out of bullock cart, you go around and see things. And that’s how they started seeing things around and they described them, and poor things got sometimes so upset with it that they used to get into tantrums and their tantrums also are nowadays called as ‘Raja Yoga’. I was so surprised that these tantrums were there because of frustration and because of timing. But now, today, the condition is different because the blossom time has come I say. The time has come that evolution has to be en-masse, has to be en-masse. Actually this en-masse evolution has started much earlier as I said, from the sixth century when Adi Shankaracharya started writing about it. He was the one who proclaimed it, who said that this is the force we have got, we have to work it out. Now people talk of Adi Shankaracharya and not a word about Kundalini. What do you say to such a knowledge? You see this is the basis, the basis of Shankaracharya is Kundalini, and the stai bhav is the emotion that substantiates it – is the complete dedication to the guru. But the guru is has to be a real guru not the way moneymaker or what you call this womaniser and all sorts of things, abuses, which are absolutely never conceivable to a guru. He remains absolutely away from these things. All such things are I would say these are meant for criminals. Or you can say, I have no words, but you can say horrid people. It’s not meant for gurus, who are the choicest flowers, who are the best people that God has created; who are the highest people above all these things. They do not organise, they do not do anything, they just sit and watch and they just impart you the power by which you become one with God. That’s all their job is. They are not busy buying aeroplanes and Cadillacs and some had some, I was told, Rolls Royces. They are not busy with. These gurus first took to sanyasa because it was a very intensive work needed, very intensive work. In the early times they took absolute solitude as their home and they didn’t have children, they didn’t have wives, nothing. They would just dedicate themselves to the search. This is very early I am telling you, say twelve thousand years back but about eight thousand years and at the time of Rama, all the gurus practically were married. Most of the gurus were married. Imagine eight thousand years back, in modern understanding people cannot even conceive of a priest who is married. They found out without the marriage the balance is not established. You must lead a very sensible married life, and they got married, and they had children and wife and they lived in the forest looking after the small children from the family. And when the children came down there even the grandparents came with them because according to the four ashramas we have got, the grandparents are after fifty years of age have to go to the forest to live with the grandchildren near the ashram. And they have to look after the children and forget about married life. They have to finish it at that time. At fifty a grandfather is really promoted and he looks after the children. He is not bothered about his married life so much as the husband and wife reach their culmination of the beauty of their married life and understanding from twenty-five to fifty years of age. So we have a division that till twenty-five years is the education system then the twenty-five years of life is the married life and twenty-five years of life is this life where, vanaprastra ashram they called it, where they had to live like grand parents with their grandchildren, give them love and they looked after and also if they were not realised or they wanted realisation, they worked for it. So in this system it was perfectly all right because afterwards the husband and wife died after that age so they took to sanyasa, means they just detached themselves and rose high. So the pattern of life was such that you had to achieve God in your lifetime, you have to work for it and all of them aspired for it and they worked for it. The whole life pattern was built up to that. Of course very few people got realisation but they led a very righteous life so that they maintained it for the next life and again they were born next time, they tried it from where they had lost, again they went up and up like that. That was the system of that society which is, of course is, now very much westernised and they think you people are much more successful in life so they are running after you and try to become like you. But this is what it was. But we can see today that is not the situation, we are in a very different situation. It’s a Ghor Kali Yuga they call it, where righteousness has no place. If you talk of righteousness people will run away. Like today, you see, they wanted to put up an advertisement for some university, and the lady who was being there, she was telling, “No, no, no don’t put Self-realisation.” Then I said, “What should I put?” She said, “Put something like enjoying, you see.” “All right, enjoying. Then what else?” “You don’t talk of God, no, of righteousness, no.” Then should I say now I thought that you can enjoy and come to a discotheque or something like that? Is that the way we are going to attract them? And then every other person got fed up. They said, “Mother, we are not going to fall at their feet. We need really sensible people, people who understand their value, who want to achieve something higher; they may be few but we cannot manage with this frivolous people. We cannot do anything about these frivolous people. Let them have one or two shocks in life. Then they’ll come to us.” But you see, for a mother it is rather difficult to think that “Let them have a shock. Let them put their hands in the electricity so that they get a shock and next time they won’t do it.” You see, for a mother it is rather difficult to accept such a situation. But it is so, because we had another gentleman who was a hippy. He came to me and I tried to give him realisation this. Again he went back and he started his drugs and he went into that. Again very seriously he did it. He did it very well that doctors declared that he is going to die within twenty-four hours, you see he did the whole job very well. He had all the drugs within him, you could open a chemist shop, you see, the way he was, and mounds of things he had in him. And then he came to me with a cirrhosis liver. Liver of, you see, liver which was having cirrhosis. Thank God, my husband was not at home, so I said, “All right, get in,” and he was there still when my husband came next day. He found him in an absolutely horrible condition. He said, “Now, if You have anything to do with this young gentleman, if he dies here, the police will really arrest You, and You will be in for murder. Now You please don’t go in for that.” But we treated him and, you’ll be amazed, within eight days he was perfectly all right and he’s such a great sahaja yogi today. Now he’s in Australia; I always remember him. And you know, he was a professor of physics and he was a very learned man, but he did all this tomfoolery just to go to hell directly with a running jump, you see, and it was very difficult in the beginning to convince him. But later on, you see, what he told me was most shocking because he told Me, “Mother, most of us have to be that way, otherwise we’ll not come to You.” Now this is too much for me to understand that, that it should be so hard on anyone who are seeking. Now you will be amazed that the seekers who were there at that time are today born more in the West than in the East. You are real seekers. Perhaps you have never evaluated yourself, and you have lost that sensitivity to seeking. That is one thing true because the way you have been guru-shopping, one can understand that how could it be possible that you have been going from here to there not understanding this. But, you see, because you were seeking, I would say, because you were seeking, you jumped onto someone, you jumped onto another one, jumped onto third one, just to get the, what you call, the feeling that you were seeking. And this jumping from one to another has really been very, very wrong because by that you have definitely disturbed your Kundalini. The most dangerous thing about these people is that they disturbed the path of your Kundalini, which you will learn; when you will be realised, you will know. All these gurus, apart from giving you diseases like cancer and all that, have been destroying your chakras, destroying your Kundalini. I have seen big holes in your chakras. I have seen burnt portions in the Kundalini. I have seen horrible distortions and mutilations of even the private parts of people because you can see on this chakra, this last chakra, which is dealing with your private parts, you see, that they have really ruined you completely, to such an extent that it is I feel irreparable, but still, we would try our level best to work it out and to get it done. I would only request you to have an attitude of openness and little relaxed. Like somebody has an appointment say about seven o’clock, so he comes to attend my program – six to seven, Mataji’s lecture. Seven to eight, third lecture. Eight to nine, another lecture. Such a person is no good for Sahaja Yoga. You have to have patience with yourself and you have to have patience with Sahaja Yoga too because some people from the jungles and who are not in the open, who do not come to London or to America, these people have told so many sahaja yogis that “We don’t know why Mataji is giving you these vibrations. What have you done?” All sorts of questions and they are quite jealous and they don’t even understand how these sahaja yogis can raise the Kundalini so easily. So one can say that it is happening and it is there, you all should have it because you are the seekers and this blessing was to be bestowed, is promised even in the Puranas it was said that in Kali Yuga those saints who are seeking God in the hills and dales will be blessed in Kali Yuga, in this time, modern times and they will be born as ordinary householders and they will get their ultimately truth, it is a fact. You have to see it. And no use, I was told some people are coming here for spying. I say, “What are they spying?” You see, this is for your good. What is there to spy in this thing? It is all very open. This is for your good, for your betterment, for your own life. For whom are you spying? What are they going to give you, madness? They’ll take away all your money. As a mother I must tell you, you have to be careful. They may pay you little money for spying but what’s the use of loosing your spirit and getting that little money, all the false promises. Best thing is to get it within yourself, your own powers and know yourself and know what is your self-interest and don’t be just wasting yourself for all these nonsensical things like crusades and, what you call, stories about it. People have misused all the knowledge that was in the Bible, in the Quran, in the Vedas for exploiting others, it is something very sad but human beings are like that, they are really like that. So we have to be very, very careful and we have to understand that we have to have our own power. What is the use if I am very powerful? What’s the use? If the sun is very powerful, what’s the use unless and until it does some good to us? If I have the power, say, to move all this, what’s the use? You must have your powers. You must feel your powers. You should be able to exercise your powers. That is what you must ask. This is the main theme of Sahaja Yoga: that it is your own power which starts manifesting. So, thank you very much. I hope the lecture was not too great for you. But today I was just thinking that today I will tell you about this guru dynasty because this is the way the gurus are there by the dozens. You must know that what is a real guru. And how they came in and what was their job. There’s one more point I would like to tell you that...... [UNCLEAR] here there are two more small chakras, one that belongs to, which we call as the Surya. Surya is the, means the Sun, the Sun centre and the another as the Moon centre on the left-hand side. And these two are governed or, we can say, is bestowed upon by two great people who are the disciple elements. And disciple elements were first, were born to Shri Rama and Shri Sita as the Luv and Kush. And then they incarnated many a times on this Earth as disciple. One of them is, we can say, was Shankaracharya, another was Kabira, like that. Then we can say, later on like, before Shankaracharya, they came as Buddha and Mahavira. Then Shankaracharya and then I told you, after Shankaracharya came the advent of Hassan and Hussain, who were the grandsons of Prophet. So these have been incarnating and they have been moving from one side to another and telling people that “This is extreme, leave it, this is extreme, leave it. Come in the centre and be in the centre.” That has been their job and they are the ones who are sort of imparting you that awareness by you become a perfect disciple. And this is a very important point because it comes quite often that we do not understand: like Prophet Mohammad said that “I am the last prophet.” All right, He did say that He was the last prophet. Supposing I say, I am the last person to come here. All right I would say just to frighten you that you better take to it otherwise this is the last time I am telling you. But it is never that because when He died He found out that, you see, these people are mad caps. “I didn’t tell them this, what are they doing out of Me?” So he said, “I better go back again,” and He came as Nanaka and He told them that “Hindu and Muslims are same people, following the same religion, why are you fighting among yourselves?” He came for that unity. Then as Nanaka He came; so in Nanaka’s system also the Sikhism came in and they started a warrior class and this and that. I mean imagine, the Sikhism ended up by having wars within Muslims and Hindus. So then He came as Shirdi Sai Nath to teach them. Now this is not a very important thing that, say Mohammad Sahib said, “I am the last.” Say He is the last, all right, even take that position. Who are you to him? How are you related? Through what? What is your authority? How do you appropriate Him to yourself? Because you say you are Muslims. So what? How did you become Muslims? Did you get your certificate from God? Like Christians are, you see. They say, “We are Christians.” How are they? They are baptised. How? They go to church, somebody puts the hand. Who is he? Is he authorised by God? Does he really break your fontanel bone? Does he really blesses you? He is just appropriating God to himself. How are they concerned with God? I don’t understand. They are nowhere near Christ, I can see that clearly. If they were, they would have been doing something else. They would have given realisation to people and giving them the second birth which Christ has told again and again that “You are to be born again.” I am talking of the eternal life, and not this life of organizing churches and making profits so much so that the half of London should belong to a church. Same with Hindus, another silly people. One would think they did not organise it so it could not go further. Even there is one of the Shankaracharya’s, he is trying to collect money. I said, “For what is he collecting the money, this fellow?” They said, “Oh, no. He wants, now he is trying to, you see, sort of, compete with your Pope.” So he wants to begin with, he wants to have an umbrella of gold, embedded with all precious stones. He’s a tiny little fellow. I don’t know how he is going to look with that big umbrella around him. All such people claim. It is such a misappropriation. What is the authority you have got? This is something I can’t understand. Everybody goes to theological college. How can he learn God in the college? What college did Christ go? I mean of all the things, when you have Christ before you why don’t you judge according to His standards? Which college did Christ go? Which theological college? If He had, if He was to come here, people would say that He’s good for nothing. They may put Him in the prison again. And in America sure, because if you cure anybody in America you are in the jail. That’s what it is. So the whole misappropriation has been worked out. By this awareness, the vibratory awareness you get after realisation, you will know that you cannot be misappropriated, by which you become that. Once you become that, then you can feel it, those vibrations flowing into you, you can feel your heart emitting those vibrations because the Spirit is awakened and you can feel that and you get that vibratory awareness by which, as you see on the hands, you can feel your chakras. That is Self-realisation: knowing about yourself and also you know about others. It can happen just in a second, in a split of a second. With some people it takes time, doesn’t matter. I have patience, you have patience. I’m only for this job here and I am going to be here for years. Now I hope so, for some years at least and we are going to work it out. So thank you very much. Now if you have to ask any questions, please ask me for a short time because then we should go to the workshop. Can I have some water please. Shri Mataji: Yes … little louder. Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: The coming incarnation is the Kalki, as they call it, Kalki is the one which means nishkalanka, means the one which is blemishless, there is no blemish on that person, you cannot put a blemish on Him. If you try to do it, you will be destroyed. But this One is going to come just to do the last sorting-out. You won’t have anybody to persuade you, to tell you that, “Get your realisation,” nothing of the kind. You see, He will just come as we have after the whole harvest is done, then the last cutting of it. He is just coming for that; He is not going to talk to you; He is not going to listen to you, nothing doing. The time from this to that is short, so you better get yourself in the proper shape and don’t ask for His coming just now because it will be very hasty. Just now let all of you be there in the boat properly settled down, let us go onto the other side and then let Him come, because He’s coming with eleven powers, which is known as Ekadasha Rudra. They are all placed here in the head of the primordial being and He will be manifesting all these in such a tremendous manner that you would not know how people will be destroyed, and the destruction will be of the worst type that you have ever seen that’s why try to mature; became the fruits and be in the kingdom of God. All right. Thank you. Yes, my child? Question: Who is Your guru? Shri Mataji: Nobody. I have no guru, I’m a mother. I don’t need any guru and I have been like this since ages now. I’m very ancient. Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: That’s my own. I have no guru, neither I ever had, but I have the guru, I call him as Dattatreya, if that is so, but that is also within Me. In my stomach is the guru. You ask this question, “Mother, have You any guru?” Just ask this question in your hand, and you will know it. To know me is not so easy because I’m very elusive, extremely elusive person you can think of, you see. So just now you just know yourself. All right? When you will have that awareness, you will know Me. All right? Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Because you don’t have those eyes to know Me. Good question also. Who was the guru of Christ? Who was? His own mother. So, no questions? Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Correct. Absolutely that’s what… very true, yes. No. Yeah. So what is your question in this? All right, I will tell you one thing that, you see, if you go to these temples and places where you think that they are misappropriating or not. Now as I have said to you already that the job of a person who represents God or says that he is God or he has the power of God within himself should do only one thing, is that he should be able to connect you with God, that’s all, the rest of the things is absolutely useless. If he cannot connect you to God then he is absolutely useless person. For example we get a person who says he is the Secretary to the Queen, her Majesty the Queen, then he should be able to get at least an appointment for us otherwise how are we to believe that they have any authority? Now if you say that people believe in things and that ....[UNCLEAR] now, you see, believing into something has led you nowhere, see it is blindness, on the contrary this kind of blindness has led to complete exploitation. You have seen in our country or in anywhere, you are completely exploited. You do not realise it how much you are exploited by these organisations which claim and appropriate that God is with them or sort of they are serving the God. The only thing that they should do to find out the ways and methods of connecting you to God. If they cannot do it then one should know that there is something wrong with them. They have no authority of any kind. Question or comment: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Can organise? No, not at all. They cannot. It’s a child’s play going on. They cannot. How can you. See it's now but how can they You see, you cannot organise God, you must have authority, you should be a realised soul, minimum, connected with God. Say, supposing this is not connected, all right, with the mains. What can you organise it? You better put it down there, isn’t it? Otherwise you cannot use it. What else can you do? Supposing this is not connected with the mains, it is not working, that’s all, simple. You try everything, you organise, you organise a committee, bring many people to plan it, it won’t work out, unless and until you connect it. So called, so called baptism is useless, but the real baptism is there, the Kundalini rises, you will be surprised this portion becomes absolutely soft here, just like a child. Actualisation is important, if they cannot actualise it, what are they doing? This is like, you see, you send an invitation to people, “Please come and have dinner with us and come along and we have organised a very good dinner and everything,” you go there you find a table very nicely laid down and everything is there, they ask you sit on the chair and all that, and then they will say “Will you eat?” and there’s no dinner, nothing, what means? They say, “It is very tasty dinner.” Everybody looks at each other, “Yes, must be.” You see, the one thinks that “Maybe we are blind, you know, maybe that we are little foolish, we cannot do it.” You see, so it would be like that, you see.

The Three Paths Of Evolution, public programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK). 30 May 1979. I am here to talk to you about a higher life than what we know of, about a power that pervades, permeates, every other power; and about the world which is called as the world of bliss and joy. You must have heard about all these words before also. But I am here to tell you about the instrument that resides within us, all nicely planted within our being, as clear as you see here in the picture, which is a living instrument, which you can also see pulsating actually with your own eyes when the Kundalini, this coiled energy, rises. We have already been blessed to have this ascent into our own being, the breakthrough into the unconscious, to enter into another new dimension all together in our awareness by which we really can find out answers to all your absolute questions. So far, in the ancient India, we had three types of movements. I don’t know if you are aware of all of them, but we had three types. And the reflections of that were manifesting in that country, also in other countries. Even in England we have had people who have been very busy finding out the answers to many fundamental questions, absolute questions. So the seeking has been everywhere in the whole world. But, as I have told you before, India was perhaps the best country, because of its climatic conditions, and because there was a lot of scope for people to go into secluded places to find out the answer to their seeking. Today I would like to tell you the three methods, or three ways, we have been seeking and the results of that. The first one is on the left-hand side: is the path by which they had devotion to God, what they call the bhakti. They sang praise of God without seeking Him. They called Him, they asked His help. In the beginning they thought that the greatest challenge they have is from the elements; so they tried to overpower the elements. And in that overpowering of elements the movement was on the right-hand side, in which they used many methods by which they could excite or could innovate, as they call it, the deities or the subtle principles of the elements. The first one was that of the devotees and the second one that of the people who were trying to find out the way to master the elements. The third one was in the centre and there were two types of people who searched. I would say the one who searched, the another which incarnated on this Earth to help, and this was the evolutionary path of our ascent. The evolutionary path of our ascent came into light, you will be amazed, much later than Krishna Himself came on this Earth, even after Christ, people started talking about the methods of evolution within us. So we should have no confusion about these three methods. Because of the bhakti of people, because of the asking of the people, the different aspects of God descended on this Earth as incarnations. Whether all this I say is true or not, you need not believe, because I am putting a hypothesis before you. And then later on you can find out if it is true or not. You have to only keep your mind open like a scientist to know about it. Now the middle path of evolution is the one that we are going to discuss here. The one that deals with the mastering of the nature, is the one they used in the Vedas where they did not mention even the deities, they did not mention anything about God Almighty, but only talked of the Brahma Tattwa, the one principle by which all the five elements are governed. And all those mantras and slokas, to excite the elements, were recited just to get the benediction of these elements as well as the control over them. So once upon a time, say, twelve thousand years back, in India, we had pilotless bombs. We had instruments that could work out much better than your missiles. They achieved it through this method of Right Side innovation. When I went to Colombia I was so surprised that they also used the Right Side methods. For that they used to also take a kind of an intoxicant which we call ‘somras’ in India. It was an intoxicant which would not give you a habit but would take you to a state where you could understand that there is beyond something; you can say something like LSD maybe. But this LSD that you take is very different from the one they used. It was, I should say, a holy thing which had something to do with God; because whatever in India they tried to search, they kept the centrifugal force acting on them, which was the assumption that there is God. So they did not deviate too much from the Right Side. They did not go too far. As a result of that search, science came to us. It came through the unconscious, all the discoveries. But our awareness – after all this world is one whole – our awareness was tuned up to a point where we could understand science. As a result of that kind of innovation they mastered a lot of things and they organised many wars as we are doing nowadays. And in those wars there are descriptions of aeroplanes and all kinds of ayudha they call it weapons, which are fantastic. But there was another movement going on, on the left-hand side where people did not care for all these things. This was meant for the kshatriyas, the kings, who were very ambitious and wanted to overpower the whole world. But the Left Side gentry, I would say, the people who were dedicated to God, who always asked for the help of God, were busy organizing dedications and what we call worships, pujas, according to their own understanding. But the central path was looked after by two forces: The first one those who were the seekers under some gurus, who were realised souls of a very high level. And the other were the incarnations who came on this Earth to protect, to save, the devotees of God. This movement was very secretive in the beginning, extremely secretive. Only one or two people they would employ to this kind of work from the whole society. In one generation you could hardly find five or six people doing this work of evolving people into new awareness. This I am telling you before the time even Vedas were written. Because the incarnations that were to come, who had not established, were kept as a very guarded secret. The reason was that if they had disclosed that these are the incarnations who are going to come then the negative forces, which were trying to pull down the evolution, would organise a method by which they would destroy these incarnations before their coming. But still, as you can see in the life of Christ, that coming of Christ was declared much before Christ came in by the prophets who made prophecies. All these prophets belong to the category of the Gurus I am talking about. So all over the world three types of movements were on. For example the scientists on the right-hand side, we can say, and the left-hand side are the devotees of God who sing the praise of God. And in the centre there were people like Moses, like Abraham, who came on this Earth just to prophecies, just to protect the devotees of God. Now this middle movement of evolution today has reached its peak, because all the incarnations have arrived now and have done their job within you. They have occupied their position within you, in your awareness, on these different centres. So the first centre that we have here which is established in the carbon atom. Carbon has got four hands in the same way this centre has also got four hands. You can see the four sides of this centre. That means up to the matter stage it is even below that. Then the carbon started the living. This carbon atom actually ignited the living process in the matter. Though the time taken for this, since the time the Earth seceded from the sun, is very, very short. I mean nobody can explain why and how it could happen: some Juggler could only do that job. So this carbon atom started the triggering of living beings. Afterwards, we can say that the incarnation of the centre, this green coloured centre, which we call as the Nabhi Chakra – the incarnations started on this point, one after another taking different forms of living animals in the evolution. Like first the fish. It came as a fish. They say when Noah was having a bad time with the deluge this fish helped him. They came as an incarnation, that aspect of God which we call as evolutionary. That came as a fish on this Earth and then it came as quadruped. Then it came as a short man. It came as a strong man and on and on and on like that till we reached a stage where the top one you can see, over here. This is the stage where Shri Ram, who came eight-thousand years back. This was established within us like a milestone. They were the leaders of our evolution. They led us into evolution as well as they left a mark for us there and they exist within us in that path. So on the right side of the centre, this is called as the Heart Chakra, as you can call it Cardiac Chakra or we call it as Hridya Chakra in Sanskrit language. On the right-hand side appeared Shri Ram. Now why did He appear, Shri Ram, on the right-hand side, because He was to forget about His incarnation. He was to forget that, in essence, He is the evolutionary aspect of God which is Shri Vishnu, who resides in the centre here, because He was somewhere in different forms. So He was to forget about it. He had to behave just like a human being so that no human being suspects Him to be an incarnation. He became a king, a benevolent king, an ideal king, with all the limitations of a king and the beauty of a king. And that’s how this incarnation came on this Earth about eight-thousand years back. At the same time when this centre which is the we call it as Void, but you can call it as the whole universe, you can say; this was full of people who were negative and were trying to destroy the devotees of God. Then the Primordial Power which is called as the Adishakti, the primordial Mother, She came at that centre, much earlier than Rama. She came there about twelve-thousand years back to protect these devotees, from twelve thousand years, in one thousand incarnations. Of course, I think there have been much more but one thousand are the main incarnations which came on this Earth as Primordial Mother, they came to protect Her children, Her devotees. Now the topmost one, not the topmost but the second one, this centre is the centre where the Vishnu Tattwa, or the evolutionary aspect of the God, completely manifested. The complete manifestation of this principle took place, and that is the principle of Shri Krishna. So Shri Krishna is regarded as the complete manifestation of this evolutionary process. But God Almighty as we know Him is everything. He is not only the evolutionary principle, He’s also the existence on the left-hand side and He’s also the Creator on the right-hand side. But much before all this started another state of awareness was there. In that state of awareness this second centre that you see here is the Creator’s. He created, through His powers, all the universe, through all the elements; then this Earth. And on this Earth the cycle of life started. All these centres are within us. Now last of all, about two thousand years back, came the greatest incarnation of Christ. He was the son of God, the innocence. And He came on this Earth. At this point where you see this red mark, behind, in the brain. Between the pituitary and the pineal there’s a very subtle centre, He came there: for us to ascend, to us give the knowledge of the eternal life, to give the knowledge that whatever you see on this Earth is not the permanent thing, there’s something beyond. And in His resurrection He showed us how we all can be resurrected. This was the gate into the limbic area, what we call as the Sahasrara, because it has got one thousand petals. Now these petals, as they look like this lotus, it is actually like that within us, but in a sleeping state. You can see a candle. Now when the wick is there, you don’t see this form of the wick. Only when it is enlightened you see them in that form. Now when you put one thousand like that they all put together look like a lotus. But when it is not enlightened, you only say there are one thousand nerves but when these nerves are enlightened, you can see the light which is in different colours. So today we are here to know that, within us, all these incarnations exist, and the force that really brought forth, really manifested – who lived like human beings, and worked like gurus – that force which existed in this area, which created religion within us. Religion as we understand, organised religion, is not the religion. But the religion means your sustaining power. You are a human being because there are ten sustaining powers within you. So they came to sustain us and to give us full idea about these ten powers and to establish us in our religion as a human being. So these Gurus, who lived in that area, worked out the sustain and helped us. And this is one of the greatest forces we have got, which resides within us. And whatever they have said has a very great meaning. Actually we should say the main Gurus are ten, but there are many other gurus. And these ten Gurus could be described as Raja Janaka, then Moses, Abraham, and in modern times you can say Mohammed Sahib and even up to Shirdi Sainath in Shirdi that force came in for a short time, and then He disappeared. Nobody knows how He came there, He lived there and He died. Also if you know Nanaka, He was also the same force, the same Primordial Master, who was born on this Earth. Now this is not the time to tell about individual people, but I think one day I will talk to you only on this subject of the Gurus. So these Gurus first started under the Primordial Master Himself, who was called as Dattatreya. And this Dattatreya is the one who is comprising all these forces: the existence force and the evolutionary force and the creative force, all of them, in its innocence. I don’t know if you understand it, but there’s a story about them, that there are three deities which belong to these three forces. The left one is Shiva’s force, then the right one is Brahmadeva’s force and the centre one is Vishnu’s force. So they say that all these three Gods felt that the wife of Dattatreya was a great, devoted woman. And she, with her powers could curse anyone she feels like. So they wanted to take her test and wanted to find out how far she was a devoted wife, so they went to her and they told her that: “We want some alms.” And in India, it is regarded as a great honour to be able to give somebody alms who come to your house. And three saints, they were dressed up saints, they came to the door. So when they asked for alms, she said, “All right, I will get you some alms.” They said, “No, we’ll come inside the house, and you have to become completely naked and then give us the alms.” Because to become naked before a man, you lose all your powers as a devoted wife, as a sati. She said, “All right, if you say so, I will do it.” And she started taking out her clothes. As soon as she touched her clothes they became small children, absolutely small children, and she took out her clothes and gave them the alms. So these three small children put together make the Dattatreya, is the Guru, is the one who is innocent like a child, innocent like a child, who has no sense of sex. So we come to a conclusion a guru who has interest in women, a guru who has interest in sex, is not a guru but is anti-guru. Dattatreya is the innocence of all these three powers and this Guru was the one who then had a big tradition of gurus. In the same tradition we had many gurus in our country and specially in the area near Bombay, which is called as Maharastra. They came as Nath, they were called as Nath. So the first one was Adi Nath, then Dattatreya, then Macchindernath, then Gorakhnath, like that a tradition of these gurus came. But all their knowledge was kept as a guarded secret, it was a gupta vidya, is absolutely guarded secret, a secret knowledge about Kundalini. They never talked about it; they never told about it, because they thought that, “Just now let us experiment with it fully and then we will give some idea about it to people.” But as you see everywhere it happens, even it happens with us here sometimes, that we get people who do not get Realisation or are half-baked and they cannot rise much higher. Then they get very angry or sometimes they take this half-baked knowledge and start working on it and they go absolutely wrong on this side or that side. All such horrible gurus came up in those days also, but they were neutralised because I would say that people were spiritually a very very sensitive. Nowadays, the people are not. They are very naive. They have no sensitivity. You see from the face you can make out that a person is such and such, but they have no sensitivity left. You see they are so much used to masks. I asked, “Today why people cannot understand and why do they always have a mask on the faces? Nothing is beaming out of them, what is it?” So one told me a very interesting answer: was that because they listen to news and they see that the newsman is reading it and he gets lot of light on his face, so he has to keep detached from the news, he cannot show his any impressions or anything. He has to be absolutely detached when he is describing some news. So his face is just like a mask and that is why it happens. Whatever it is, we have become really naive as far as spirituality is concerned, and the people take advantage of it: a full advantage of this naive behavior or naive nature of others. For this you don’t have to go to books, you don’t have to go to any guru for this. It’s only a thing of the society in which you live. Natural societies have much more sensitivity to spirituality than artificially sort of brainwashed, you can call them, or brought up in a materialistic atmosphere. They lose their sensitivity to spirituality which is spontaneous, which is spontaneous; because we lose our spontaneity, we lose that natural – we call it as ‘Sahaja’, means ‘the spontaneous knowledge’ – to know who is a real person and who is unreal. So this force started manifesting itself gradually in the caves, in the very secret caves where only one or two were asked to go there. And first they were tested very badly. I mean the way they were tested some would run away! So for years together they would not get even one disciple who was capable of coming into this training. And at long last if they got one, they would work on him and then he may die without the experience. Then again he would be reborn, again he would die, like that it would go on for ages until then they found that the truth is within you, till they completely cleansed themselves and they became one with the Higher Being within themselves. But this was achieved so little that you will be amazed that Zen system of religion is exactly the same system, is avadhuta, which we call the Nath style, the same style is. And they say there have been only sixty-five Kashyapas, they call them, Kashyapas. Sixty-five, just imagine! Sixty-five in six centuries! So I think it would be one point something one every century! So these were the only people who got Realisation. And it was a very difficult procedure because they would raise this Kundalini up to a point and it would drop out. Then they would raise it and cleanse it and then again cleanse it and again push it forward. It would be something like pushing a car which doesn’t start: you push it, it comes back, again it goes forward, it’s cut. Then again you cleanse it and take it to the garage, you see it’s no good. Then you take it again back, wash it, clean it, again get under it and try to cleanse it again, the machinery, again it goes out. Like that it goes on and on and you get so fed up that you think, “Better let it go back to the factory to be completely renewed.” Then they made it again, put it back and like that it moved, the movement of this evolution, very, very gradually. And in this gradual movement they had…because if you move gradually you see many things. For example, if you are now going on a bullock cart – you don’t have any bullock carts, we still have bullock carts. If you have to go to villages, you have to go by bullock carts. And the speed of a bullock cart is maybe two miles per hour or maybe even sometimes less, it depends on the whims of the bullocks, you see. If they sit down in between, you can get down, cook your food and have your food very nicely, then again get back into the bullock cart and then again start moving. It could be a very, very slow movement. And then when you stop, you get so bored of that stay that you get out of bullock cart, you go around and see things. And that’s how they started seeing things around and they described them, and poor things got sometimes so upset with it that they used to get into tantrums and their tantrums also are nowadays called as ‘Raja Yoga’. I was so surprised that these tantrums were there because of frustration and because of timing. But now, today, the condition is different because the blossom time has come I say. The time has come that evolution has to be en-masse, has to be en-masse. Actually this en-masse evolution has started much earlier as I said, from the sixth century when Adi Shankaracharya started writing about it. He was the one who proclaimed it, who said that this is the force we have got, we have to work it out. Now people talk of Adi Shankaracharya and not a word about Kundalini. What do you say to such a knowledge? You see this is the basis, the basis of Shankaracharya is Kundalini, and the stai bhav is the emotion that substantiates it – is the complete dedication to the guru. But the guru is has to be a real guru not the way moneymaker or what you call this womaniser and all sorts of things, abuses, which are absolutely never conceivable to a guru. He remains absolutely away from these things. All such things are I would say these are meant for criminals. Or you can say, I have no words, but you can say horrid people. It’s not meant for gurus, who are the choicest flowers, who are the best people that God has created; who are the highest people above all these things. They do not organise, they do not do anything, they just sit and watch and they just impart you the power by which you become one with God. That’s all their job is. They are not busy buying aeroplanes and Cadillacs and some had some, I was told, Rolls Royces. They are not busy with. These gurus first took to sanyasa because it was a very intensive work needed, very intensive work. In the early times they took absolute solitude as their home and they didn’t have children, they didn’t have wives, nothing. They would just dedicate themselves to the search. This is very early I am telling you, say twelve thousand years back but about eight thousand years and at the time of Rama, all the gurus practically were married. Most of the gurus were married. Imagine eight thousand years back, in modern understanding people cannot even conceive of a priest who is married. They found out without the marriage the balance is not established. You must lead a very sensible married life, and they got married, and they had children and wife and they lived in the forest looking after the small children from the family. And when the children came down there even the grandparents came with them because according to the four ashramas we have got, the grandparents are after fifty years of age have to go to the forest to live with the grandchildren near the ashram. And they have to look after the children and forget about married life. They have to finish it at that time. At fifty a grandfather is really promoted and he looks after the children. He is not bothered about his married life so much as the husband and wife reach their culmination of the beauty of their married life and understanding from twenty-five to fifty years of age. So we have a division that till twenty-five years is the education system then the twenty-five years of life is the married life and twenty-five years of life is this life where, vanaprastra ashram they called it, where they had to live like grand parents with their grandchildren, give them love and they looked after and also if they were not realised or they wanted realisation, they worked for it. So in this system it was perfectly all right because afterwards the husband and wife died after that age so they took to sanyasa, means they just detached themselves and rose high. So the pattern of life was such that you had to achieve God in your lifetime, you have to work for it and all of them aspired for it and they worked for it. The whole life pattern was built up to that. Of course very few people got realisation but they led a very righteous life so that they maintained it for the next life and again they were born next time, they tried it from where they had lost, again they went up and up like that. That was the system of that society which is, of course is, now very much westernised and they think you people are much more successful in life so they are running after you and try to become like you. But this is what it was. But we can see today that is not the situation, we are in a very different situation. It’s a Ghor Kali Yuga they call it, where righteousness has no place. If you talk of righteousness people will run away. Like today, you see, they wanted to put up an advertisement for some university, and the lady who was being there, she was telling, “No, no, no don’t put Self-realisation.” Then I said, “What should I put?” She said, “Put something like enjoying, you see.” “All right, enjoying. Then what else?” “You don’t talk of God, no, of righteousness, no.” Then should I say now I thought that you can enjoy and come to a discotheque or something like that? Is that the way we are going to attract them? And then every other person got fed up. They said, “Mother, we are not going to fall at their feet. We need really sensible people, people who understand their value, who want to achieve something higher; they may be few but we cannot manage with this frivolous people. We cannot do anything about these frivolous people. Let them have one or two shocks in life. Then they’ll come to us.” But you see, for a mother it is rather difficult to think that “Let them have a shock. Let them put their hands in the electricity so that they get a shock and next time they won’t do it.” You see, for a mother it is rather difficult to accept such a situation. But it is so, because we had another gentleman who was a hippy. He came to me and I tried to give him realisation this. Again he went back and he started his drugs and he went into that. Again very seriously he did it. He did it very well that doctors declared that he is going to die within twenty-four hours, you see he did the whole job very well. He had all the drugs within him, you could open a chemist shop, you see, the way he was, and mounds of things he had in him. And then he came to me with a cirrhosis liver. Liver of, you see, liver which was having cirrhosis. Thank God, my husband was not at home, so I said, “All right, get in,” and he was there still when my husband came next day. He found him in an absolutely horrible condition. He said, “Now, if You have anything to do with this young gentleman, if he dies here, the police will really arrest You, and You will be in for murder. Now You please don’t go in for that.” But we treated him and, you’ll be amazed, within eight days he was perfectly all right and he’s such a great sahaja yogi today. Now he’s in Australia; I always remember him. And you know, he was a professor of physics and he was a very learned man, but he did all this tomfoolery just to go to hell directly with a running jump, you see, and it was very difficult in the beginning to convince him. But later on, you see, what he told me was most shocking because he told Me, “Mother, most of us have to be that way, otherwise we’ll not come to You.” Now this is too much for me to understand that, that it should be so hard on anyone who are seeking. Now you will be amazed that the seekers who were there at that time are today born more in the West than in the East. You are real seekers. Perhaps you have never evaluated yourself, and you have lost that sensitivity to seeking. That is one thing true because the way you have been guru-shopping, one can understand that how could it be possible that you have been going from here to there not understanding this. But, you see, because you were seeking, I would say, because you were seeking, you jumped onto someone, you jumped onto another one, jumped onto third one, just to get the, what you call, the feeling that you were seeking. And this jumping from one to another has really been very, very wrong because by that you have definitely disturbed your Kundalini. The most dangerous thing about these people is that they disturbed the path of your Kundalini, which you will learn; when you will be realised, you will know. All these gurus, apart from giving you diseases like cancer and all that, have been destroying your chakras, destroying your Kundalini. I have seen big holes in your chakras. I have seen burnt portions in the Kundalini. I have seen horrible distortions and mutilations of even the private parts of people because you can see on this chakra, this last chakra, which is dealing with your private parts, you see, that they have really ruined you completely, to such an extent that it is I feel irreparable, but still, we would try our level best to work it out and to get it done. I would only request you to have an attitude of openness and little relaxed. Like somebody has an appointment say about seven o’clock, so he comes to attend my program – six to seven, Mataji’s lecture. Seven to eight, third lecture. Eight to nine, another lecture. Such a person is no good for Sahaja Yoga. You have to have patience with yourself and you have to have patience with Sahaja Yoga too because some people from the jungles and who are not in the open, who do not come to London or to America, these people have told so many sahaja yogis that “We don’t know why Mataji is giving you these vibrations. What have you done?” All sorts of questions and they are quite jealous and they don’t even understand how these sahaja yogis can raise the Kundalini so easily. So one can say that it is happening and it is there, you all should have it because you are the seekers and this blessing was to be bestowed, is promised even in the Puranas it was said that in Kali Yuga those saints who are seeking God in the hills and dales will be blessed in Kali Yuga, in this time, modern times and they will be born as ordinary householders and they will get their ultimately truth, it is a fact. You have to see it. And no use, I was told some people are coming here for spying. I say, “What are they spying?” You see, this is for your good. What is there to spy in this thing? It is all very open. This is for your good, for your betterment, for your own life. For whom are you spying? What are they going to give you, madness? They’ll take away all your money. As a mother I must tell you, you have to be careful. They may pay you little money for spying but what’s the use of loosing your spirit and getting that little money, all the false promises. Best thing is to get it within yourself, your own powers and know yourself and know what is your self-interest and don’t be just wasting yourself for all these nonsensical things like crusades and, what you call, stories about it. People have misused all the knowledge that was in the Bible, in the Quran, in the Vedas for exploiting others, it is something very sad but human beings are like that, they are really like that. So we have to be very, very careful and we have to understand that we have to have our own power. What is the use if I am very powerful? What’s the use? If the sun is very powerful, what’s the use unless and until it does some good to us? If I have the power, say, to move all this, what’s the use? You must have your powers. You must feel your powers. You should be able to exercise your powers. That is what you must ask. This is the main theme of Sahaja Yoga: that it is your own power which starts manifesting. So, thank you very much. I hope the lecture was not too great for you. But today I was just thinking that today I will tell you about this guru dynasty because this is the way the gurus are there by the dozens. You must know that what is a real guru. And how they came in and what was their job. There’s one more point I would like to tell you that...... [UNCLEAR] here there are two more small chakras, one that belongs to, which we call as the Surya. Surya is the, means the Sun, the Sun centre and the another as the Moon centre on the left-hand side. And these two are governed or, we can say, is bestowed upon by two great people who are the disciple elements. And disciple elements were first, were born to Shri Rama and Shri Sita as the Luv and Kush. And then they incarnated many a times on this Earth as disciple. One of them is, we can say, was Shankaracharya, another was Kabira, like that. Then we can say, later on like, before Shankaracharya, they came as Buddha and Mahavira. Then Shankaracharya and then I told you, after Shankaracharya came the advent of Hassan and Hussain, who were the grandsons of Prophet. So these have been incarnating and they have been moving from one side to another and telling people that “This is extreme, leave it, this is extreme, leave it. Come in the centre and be in the centre.” That has been their job and they are the ones who are sort of imparting you that awareness by you become a perfect disciple. And this is a very important point because it comes quite often that we do not understand: like Prophet Mohammad said that “I am the last prophet.” All right, He did say that He was the last prophet. Supposing I say, I am the last person to come here. All right I would say just to frighten you that you better take to it otherwise this is the last time I am telling you. But it is never that because when He died He found out that, you see, these people are mad caps. “I didn’t tell them this, what are they doing out of Me?” So he said, “I better go back again,” and He came as Nanaka and He told them that “Hindu and Muslims are same people, following the same religion, why are you fighting among yourselves?” He came for that unity. Then as Nanaka He came; so in Nanaka’s system also the Sikhism came in and they started a warrior class and this and that. I mean imagine, the Sikhism ended up by having wars within Muslims and Hindus. So then He came as Shirdi Sai Nath to teach them. Now this is not a very important thing that, say Mohammad Sahib said, “I am the last.” Say He is the last, all right, even take that position. Who are you to him? How are you related? Through what? What is your authority? How do you appropriate Him to yourself? Because you say you are Muslims. So what? How did you become Muslims? Did you get your certificate from God? Like Christians are, you see. They say, “We are Christians.” How are they? They are baptised. How? They go to church, somebody puts the hand. Who is he? Is he authorised by God? Does he really break your fontanel bone? Does he really blesses you? He is just appropriating God to himself. How are they concerned with God? I don’t understand. They are nowhere near Christ, I can see that clearly. If they were, they would have been doing something else. They would have given realisation to people and giving them the second birth which Christ has told again and again that “You are to be born again.” I am talking of the eternal life, and not this life of organizing churches and making profits so much so that the half of London should belong to a church. Same with Hindus, another silly people. One would think they did not organise it so it could not go further. Even there is one of the Shankaracharya’s, he is trying to collect money. I said, “For what is he collecting the money, this fellow?” They said, “Oh, no. He wants, now he is trying to, you see, sort of, compete with your Pope.” So he wants to begin with, he wants to have an umbrella of gold, embedded with all precious stones. He’s a tiny little fellow. I don’t know how he is going to look with that big umbrella around him. All such people claim. It is such a misappropriation. What is the authority you have got? This is something I can’t understand. Everybody goes to theological college. How can he learn God in the college? What college did Christ go? I mean of all the things, when you have Christ before you why don’t you judge according to His standards? Which college did Christ go? Which theological college? If He had, if He was to come here, people would say that He’s good for nothing. They may put Him in the prison again. And in America sure, because if you cure anybody in America you are in the jail. That’s what it is. So the whole misappropriation has been worked out. By this awareness, the vibratory awareness you get after realisation, you will know that you cannot be misappropriated, by which you become that. Once you become that, then you can feel it, those vibrations flowing into you, you can feel your heart emitting those vibrations because the Spirit is awakened and you can feel that and you get that vibratory awareness by which, as you see on the hands, you can feel your chakras. That is Self-realisation: knowing about yourself and also you know about others. It can happen just in a second, in a split of a second. With some people it takes time, doesn’t matter. I have patience, you have patience. I’m only for this job here and I am going to be here for years. Now I hope so, for some years at least and we are going to work it out. So thank you very much. Now if you have to ask any questions, please ask me for a short time because then we should go to the workshop. Can I have some water please. Shri Mataji: Yes … little louder. Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: The coming incarnation is the Kalki, as they call it, Kalki is the one which means nishkalanka, means the one which is blemishless, there is no blemish on that person, you cannot put a blemish on Him. If you try to do it, you will be destroyed. But this One is going to come just to do the last sorting-out. You won’t have anybody to persuade you, to tell you that, “Get your realisation,” nothing of the kind. You see, He will just come as we have after the whole harvest is done, then the last cutting of it. He is just coming for that; He is not going to talk to you; He is not going to listen to you, nothing doing. The time from this to that is short, so you better get yourself in the proper shape and don’t ask for His coming just now because it will be very hasty. Just now let all of you be there in the boat properly settled down, let us go onto the other side and then let Him come, because He’s coming with eleven powers, which is known as Ekadasha Rudra. They are all placed here in the head of the primordial being and He will be manifesting all these in such a tremendous manner that you would not know how people will be destroyed, and the destruction will be of the worst type that you have ever seen that’s why try to mature; became the fruits and be in the kingdom of God. All right. Thank you. Yes, my child? Question: Who is Your guru? Shri Mataji: Nobody. I have no guru, I’m a mother. I don’t need any guru and I have been like this since ages now. I’m very ancient. Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: That’s my own. I have no guru, neither I ever had, but I have the guru, I call him as Dattatreya, if that is so, but that is also within Me. In my stomach is the guru. You ask this question, “Mother, have You any guru?” Just ask this question in your hand, and you will know it. To know me is not so easy because I’m very elusive, extremely elusive person you can think of, you see. So just now you just know yourself. All right? When you will have that awareness, you will know Me. All right? Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Because you don’t have those eyes to know Me. Good question also. Who was the guru of Christ? Who was? His own mother. So, no questions? Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Correct. Absolutely that’s what… very true, yes. No. Yeah. So what is your question in this? All right, I will tell you one thing that, you see, if you go to these temples and places where you think that they are misappropriating or not. Now as I have said to you already that the job of a person who represents God or says that he is God or he has the power of God within himself should do only one thing, is that he should be able to connect you with God, that’s all, the rest of the things is absolutely useless. If he cannot connect you to God then he is absolutely useless person. For example we get a person who says he is the Secretary to the Queen, her Majesty the Queen, then he should be able to get at least an appointment for us otherwise how are we to believe that they have any authority? Now if you say that people believe in things and that ....[UNCLEAR] now, you see, believing into something has led you nowhere, see it is blindness, on the contrary this kind of blindness has led to complete exploitation. You have seen in our country or in anywhere, you are completely exploited. You do not realise it how much you are exploited by these organisations which claim and appropriate that God is with them or sort of they are serving the God. The only thing that they should do to find out the ways and methods of connecting you to God. If they cannot do it then one should know that there is something wrong with them. They have no authority of any kind. Question or comment: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: Can organise? No, not at all. They cannot. It’s a child’s play going on. They cannot. How can you. See it's now but how can they You see, you cannot organise God, you must have authority, you should be a realised soul, minimum, connected with God. Say, supposing this is not connected, all right, with the mains. What can you organise it? You better put it down there, isn’t it? Otherwise you cannot use it. What else can you do? Supposing this is not connected with the mains, it is not working, that’s all, simple. You try everything, you organise, you organise a committee, bring many people to plan it, it won’t work out, unless and until you connect it. So called, so called baptism is useless, but the real baptism is there, the Kundalini rises, you will be surprised this portion becomes absolutely soft here, just like a child. Actualisation is important, if they cannot actualise it, what are they doing? This is like, you see, you send an invitation to people, “Please come and have dinner with us and come along and we have organised a very good dinner and everything,” you go there you find a table very nicely laid down and everything is there, they ask you sit on the chair and all that, and then they will say “Will you eat?” and there’s no dinner, nothing, what means? They say, “It is very tasty dinner.” Everybody looks at each other, “Yes, must be.” You see, the one thinks that “Maybe we are blind, you know, maybe that we are little foolish, we cannot do it.” You see, so it would be like that, you see.

5/31/1979

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Public program in Dr.Johnson's House, Birmingham (England). 31 May 1979. [Introduction by a yogi]: [unclear]spiritual personality and who has reincarnated on Earth and She has given many of us here realization of our true natures and I hope you'll all sit here with an open mind tonight and try and receive what She has to give you. And all I can ask is you just hold out your hands towards Her, relax and listen to what Mataji has to say. [Shri Mataji speaks]: I am thankful to Balaa and Philip, all My children, who have been able to arrange this hall and have you all here for this program. Modern times are really very different from whatever time the incarnations came on this Earth. There's such a tremendous differences when Christ came on this Earth and today when somebody has to face the seekers. There were no seekers at the time of Christ, not a single seeker. When He came on this Earth, He had to actually persuade people, He had to put some sort of a explanation for them that they should seek, that there is something beyond which they should ask for. But today it's a very different thing, today we have seekers, and not one but millions of them; especially in the West, people are seeking. The seeking comes to us through our capacity to conceive something beyond. We do not know why we are seeking, what we are seeking, but there's a craving within us which makes us feel uncomfortable all the time. Despite the fact we have such a lot of affluence around us, I mean as far as our food and our clothing and our housing questions are there, most of them are solved. Despite that we feel that we have not been able to feel happy, joyous and have not been able to understand our own fulfillment. We do not know why we are on this Earth, why we have to be born as human beings, what is our mission in life. But there are so many who do not think about it, they're not bothered about it. For example, the scientists of the West do not think why they have become from amoeba, a human being, why God has made them from an amoeba, a little unicellular animal, into a human being; and why such a complicated instrument has been created, and how it has been created. What are the under-currents? What are the powers that have created this wonderful thing known as a human being? They have not been able to find out the why of it. Of course, whatever they see they can tell you that "This is what a human being is, this is what is, this is his nose and these are his eyes" and whatever factual things they find out, they tell you that "This is what it is." But what is our destination? What is the purpose? And this is what they cannot answer and that's why we have another type of people who are the seekers. But for your information, I have to tell you that God has already made all the arrangements for you. You have come up from amoeba stage to human beings. What did you do in your evolution? What effort did you put in for your evolution? To become a human being, just think of it. They say that you were monkeys and, today you are human beings. What did you do? Do you remember what you have done to become human beings? Who has done all this? Somebody who has done with his own effort. And that is the same thing that will happen to you when you have to go further in your evolution, that source or that energy or if you like it I would say, the God Almighty who has created us, is going to give us that special being, a birth within us. We are going to achieve that through His grace, and through nobody else. Now it is being said, not only by Me, what I say I have a complete historical background. You can go up to Socrates and you can come up to Christ, everywhere you will find what I say is written down there. I do not have to quarrel with them at all; they are My own, they are with Me. But I am here to convince you that whatever they have said is the truth. Not by preaching about it, not by brain-washing, not by writing books about it, but by giving you the experience of your being, actualizing it, what they have said that there is a Spirit within us and we have to be born of the Spirit. And what is that Spirit is? And how do we become that? That is what we are going to experience. As soon as I say, "You cannot put in any effort about it," our ego gets challenged. How is it? It's difficult for a modern person to understand, that God's grace is going to work out. Even Shankaracharya, you know Adi Shankarachayia, the one who propounded Hinduism in India, said that "na yogena, na sankhyena," not by any of these things that it is going to happen, but by Mother's grace it's going to work out that you are you going to be realized, there's no way out. No way thinking about it, writing about it, preaching about it, talking about it, it has to happen to you. It's a living thing that has to happen to you. Like a little seed, it has to sprout. Now no use standing before the seed and doing all kinds of asanas. No use giving a lecture to the seed. Just a little water of love and the seed sprouts by itself, it comes up by itself. And that's how your own seed is going to work out, the whole process of manifestation, spontaneous. But we think of effort because we are used to it. For everything we have to have effort, so we think even for realization we have to go in to some kind of a terrible effort, but that's the wrong idea altogether. It is a spontaneous thing, it's a living process, you are made specially like this since you were a little animal called as amoeba. Till today you are looked after, you are brought to date and now you have to happen. How are we built within ourselves, and what is the specialty that brings forth this manifestation? We have to see about it. But when I'm talking to you, you need not sort of blindly follow that whatever I have said to you. But you should not also close your minds about it, because by saying it's not going to work out, it is going to work out by some other method; and when it works out within you, you yourself will know that it has happened. I will not have to give a certificate; you will yourself give a certificate about it. Now here I'm going to tell you how we are built within ourselves. As I have said, you should not close your minds about it; it is a hypothesis which you should see for yourself. If it works out, if you find that whatever I have said really works out and you can work it out and you can maneuver it and you can understand all the powers that are within you; then you just believe into it, then don't deny it. So to bring forth your rebirth or your Self-realization, already there is a mechanism made ready, we can say that as we've got this mechanism made ready here, in the same way there is a mechanism within us which is absolutely ready to act. We can say like a computer, a computer is being built in us, only thing you are to be put to the mains, like this cord has to be put to the mains. That's the only thing now left, and if you have put in effort, I'll have to little bit what you call, demolish that much of effort of yours. Because there is no effort needed. Only thing is I have to take this cord and put it to the mains. But supposing I do not know how to do it, then I will spoil this. Or this by itself cannot do it. You can see a candle and candle itself cannot light itself. But if there is an enlightened candle, it can enlighten that candle. In the same way if there is somebody who's enlightened, can enlighten your candle if he knows how to do it. This knowledge has to come to you and you have to get that enlightenment within you, then you can do that enlightenment for others also. Like that you'll find there are at least here eighty-five percent people who know that, who have got realization, and why not the rest of them should get it? They should; that is their right, that is their birth right and they must get it. Sahaja, Saha means with, ja means born. It is born within you. It is within you, the right is within you to get it; and you all are meant for that, and you have to just get it, for yourself. Now here is the instrument, I would say placed like this, out of which if you see, the three energies that are flowing. Is: one of the left hand side, this black one, then another on the right hand side and one in the center. Now these three energies give rise to three autonomous nervous systems within us. The left one gives rise to our left sympathetic; the right one to the right sympathetic and the central one is the parasympathetic. These are the subtle energies placed in the spinal cord also in the cranial bones. Now these energies are: the left side gives us the existence, by which we exist, by this energy we exist. But this also stores up our subconscious or we can say stores up all that is conditioning within us because, say I am telling you something, now you are listening to Me and all that you are listening is going into your subconscious, all that is stored up here. On the right hand side, the energy that is there is for our physical and mental activity. The left hand side is for our emotional activity, and the right hand side is for our physical and mental activity. By this energy we do our physical, any emergencies or physical activity. Like if you have to run, you do Hatha Yogas, and you do all kinds of frantic things. Nowadays in London we have a group of people who are dancing nude all the time. You see, all such things are done by this energy. The upper part of this channel provides for our mental energy by which we think, plan and all that we think about the future. So we can say that this energy is for the future and that is for the past, the central one is for the present. Now you cannot be in the present for more than a second, even a split of a second and that is what is the energy you have developed through your evolutionary process, by which now you have become a human being. Now the whole system is just like this, it's seven centers within you. You can see for yourself: the red, the yellow, the green, the blue, the smoky, and the brilliant white, or you can say the goldenish and the top. Like that there are seven centers, these are the subtle centers all within you, placed within you; they are all there, already there. I don't have to create them they are just ready and placed beautifully there inside you and these, all these centers outside manifest what you call "the plexuses." For example, the lower one manifests the pelvic plexus, and the aeortic plexus, then we have solar plexus.[interruption in recording][unclear] has to take place. When these two activities, the emotional activity and your what you call, the creativity activity start working together, as a by product we assimilate in our heads two things. One is called as the superego and another as the ego, you can say the smoke out of these activities accumulated there. So the ego and superego meet like this in the brain and it all fuses together and we get this fontanel bone completely covered. When this happens then you become Mr. X, you become Miss Y and you become Master Z. You become different people, you get this I-ness within you and you are separated from the whole. Like I can say, first of all I separate this instrument and try it on its own battery and then I put it to the mains. You have been given freedom. By giving you this I-ness, you are free to do what you like with yourself. So you start seeking, you start thinking, you start a job or every sort of enterprise in your life comes in. We have seeking for money. Those people do not have seeking for money have got seeking for positions or for power. Some people of course have seeking for the Divine. But in all these seekings, we go out, like horns. We do not stay in, we seek it outside; we cannot take our attention inside. For example when you are listening to Me, if I say, "Take your the attention inside," you cannot. The attention is all out, it has come out because of this kind of arrangement that is the brain, and if I tell you all about it, it is going to take another lecture. But how it comes out is also a very interesting thing. Only among human beings it is like that, because our brains is like a prism, and because of that the energies that coming to us, actually go very little inside, most of them go out, that's why our attention is outside. Now, how can an attention be taken in? Say you are listening to Me, all right, now suddenly if something happens, it falls out, or something happens within you then your attention is immediately drawn to that. Though you are very attentive to Me, still your attention will be drawn to that. In the same way, there has to be some sort of a happening within you. When that happening takes place, immediately your attention goes in and the happening will start by a circular thing, which is kept there, which are three and half coils and that is the energy which we call as the residual energy, which is kept there like a coil. As I told you that you are to be put to the mains so-called, and this one is called as the Kundalini, and this residual energy has to rise, and when it is awaken, and when it rises, it passes through all these centers and integrates you completely and then you become one with the Divine. You are opened out to the Divine, and you find that both ego and superego open out like that, and you enter into a new consciousness, into a new awareness, by which you become collectively conscious. Now this is little bit too much to understand what is collective consciousness is. But as I would say that you must have heard all UN people and everybody saying, "We are all brothers and sisters, and we should not fight with each other," but it is all outside. It is all outside to say that we are all brothers and sisters, we do not think that we are brothers and sisters. Or to say that this whole Universe is one, we are all one, part of the One, and the whole primordial Being is there and we are just part of it. How are we to believe it? It's all stories. But it happens to you that you start feeling the another person, on your fingers you start feeling the chakras. You see, here I'll show you when you are enlightened you start feeling your centers on your fingers. You start feeling what are the problems of another person. You start feeling where is the imbalance in those energies, which energy is more, which energy is less, how to raise it, and how to put it right. Because you are open to the mains, all the tension drops out, you become absolutely blissful. Supposing your car has got little petrol and it's about to finish, your patience goes out. But if you know that there is a pipe which is all the time flowing into your car, which is filling that tank, then you are not bothered. In the same way you get open to that all- pervading Power, that grace, which is all the time filling you later on and you feel absolutely blissful. The tensions go away and you start feeling the another person, his chakras and her chakras and you can correct them also. Now we have cured cancer, no doubt, and only this Self-realization is going to cure cancer. Now this I have been saying from the year 1970. When they get cancer they come to Me, even doctors. They get cured, but when they say that "Mataji has cured us," people just don't believe them. It is too much for them to believe that cancer can be cured by Self-realization. Now what is cancer? Is nothing but over activity of these two nadis, or these two channels. They are like this, this channel is say the right, this is the left. Now this is the channel and these are the centers. When they start working too much, whatever it has stored, little energy you start losing it. When you use them too much they separate, and when they separate they are on their own. Once they are on their own, then they become malignant. With Sahaja Yoga what do we do is to pour that energy more into them so that they again come back to the normal state, and then the energy is sufficiently flowing in there is no exhaustion at all, and the person feels perfectly all right. But if you say this to anyone else but a sahaja yogi, they don't believe it. I did My medicine because I had to talk to doctors, and I will be talking to doctors now in England, London, when I come back from India, and that's why I did My medicine. And I find that My professor who was teaching Me, his wife got cancer and she had a secondary cancer. And then his wife said, "Why not try Her, after all you people cannot cure me," and they said that "It's a secondary stage, it's horrible," you just can't say about the patient. Not that she is cured but there is no trace of it and the doctor cannot explain how it has happened. I can explain to him absolutely, scientifically that we have managed the parasympathetic nervous system, which they call as autonomous. They say it is run by itself, by auto. Now who is this auto? You say it is a automobile, all right, there's somebody sitting and running it, isn't it? But who is running this? This you cannot explain. Doctors say, "We do not know the mode of action. We cannot say, how it works we do not know." They are truthful about it. But when I say, "You can jump onto it, you can just control that parasympathetic," they say, "How can that be possible?" It is, believe Me it is possible, it has to be. After all if some instrument has been made with such care for years together, for thousands of years, do you think it is just a wasteful activity of God? That He would not do something about it? That He will not give you your fulfillment? How is it possible? Any rational person can understand it; through rationality you can understand all these things but the happening is for change, is a living process, and works out by itself. Now there are some people I've seen that in seeking they have gone to wrong places, they have been hurt, they have been troubled, they have been tortured, they have been misled, but doesn't matter. It is a living process and living process is very different from a dead process. For example something goes wrong with this say, a hall, then you cannot do something about the foundations. But if a tree is say in a mess, you can treat the tree in such a way that the whole tree can be all right, the roots can be all right. In the same way, this thing is absolutely a living process everything can be all right, and has to work out. Now but the biggest problem of the West is Mr. E-G-O, which is colossal sometimes, and it's very difficult for people to understand that they cannot pay for God, they cannot purchase Him; you cannot. Maybe in your churches people take money and live like parasites, but God is not a parasite. These are horrible people, maybe in your temples, maybe in your mosques, maybe anywhere people are purchasing God; but that's a myth, that's absolutely a myth and insult of God. Nobody can purchase God, nor can you have a say of His grace and love. So this is a big challenge and people don't want to accept it. And so many thugs who have come from India, I take the responsibility as an Indian, if you call Me an Indian, that of course they did come here to rob you. But you are also partly responsible. Your ego was satisfied that they said, "You can pay for that," that you were robbed by these horrible people. And if they have robbed you they are going to be punished, no doubt they are going to be punished, because you are seekers they have robbed you. It's the sad part of it. If you were ordinary people they would have not bothered about it, but because you are seekers they've harmed you deliberately, and they have robbed you. If they are robbers they should become, say, burglars. They could be good burglars; they can earn much more money by that; they should take to smuggling. But why trouble the seekers? It has happened with so many people and so many that are here who have got realization also have gone through not to one but four, five of them, one after another. In America people told Me, "Mother we've been to guru shopping." I said, "Now will you settle down somewhere or are you still shopping?" They get into a mood of shopping so they cannot stick on to it. It is a terrible thing, and that is the worst that has happened in the modern times. To awaken this Kundalini they say is a very, very difficult thing, they say. I don't believe it. It is not, it is the easiest thing for Me, it's My play. I can just do it like this, I can raise your Kundalini like this and you will also do the same. Once you are realized, you will also start moving other's Kundalini. You can see for yourself that how the power of your Spirit grows. You can raise their Kundalini, you can cure them, you can understand what's wrong with their chakras, and you can look after all the people whom you want to pay attention to. You can do it too, because the time has come, the blossom times has come. It was difficult when only one flower was to flower, then only three, four flowers came in. Now it's a blossom time, so many have to become fruits and many are changing fast. It has to be en masse, it is working out that way. It has to work out for many of them, otherwise the creation won't stay anymore there. Already the destruction has settled into our minds. This time the destruction is not going to come from outside but from within because we'll be frustrated that we are not been able to find out what we have been finding out. But people are of varied nature. Just now Baal asked Me on the way, "Mother how is it I am such a fortunate person that I should, I should get it so easily? I haven't done anything about it and I get it." Because you are blessed specially, you are especially blessed, that's how you are going to get it. Now in this Birmingham I saw nothing but people and people and people, all kinds. But here how many do we have? This is what it is, so there is a choice and there is a selection and there is a way of getting the right people at the right time. It can only work out with people who really deserve it to begin with, but gradually it works out in a very much bigger way and a very much bigger way and many people can get it and can work it out. If you have any questions you please ask Me because it is such a vast subject, I don't know how will I cover up in one lecture? Tomorrow I am going visit Balaa. Those who want to come and see Me personally, can come and see Me there I don't know his address he will tell you. Tomorrow I'll be there till 12 o'clock. All of you are welcome to come and see Me, but here also if you have any questions you must ask Me and also we'll try to work out the realization part of it. [Audience]: question unclearShri Mataji: All right, now karmas are - this is also karma. Who does the karma? Is your ego. You do not do it. If you ask, say an animal, say you ask a tiger, he does not do any karma. We, in our ignorance, think that we are doing the karma because we have our ego there nicely placed, and because we are something that suggest the karma. But supposing I remove your ego one side, then who is doing the karma there? You are no more there, you go into akarma. Moreover if I am something, say I am something, then I can cleanse it also, possibility is there. All right. Do you know My name Nirmala, what does that means? Means "Purity," if I'm anything of My name, I may be able to cleanse it completely. If I'm your Mother I have to do it, that's My job, and I'll work hard. So don't you stick onto your karmas, do not identify with them. They are nothing for Me, I know how to cleanse all these, very well. I've studied all the permutations and combinations of all this. All right? These people have also put ideas into your heads that you have very bad karmas, especially you see in the church you say, "you are sinners." Sinners, morning till evening. Those who say are the greatest sinners I can tell you that, and those who receive from you confessions, I am surprised they are not mad as yet. They should become the way they are taking confessions from everybody. Just think of it, absurd. Human beings are the most beautiful things God has created, the most beautiful: he has done some mistakes, all right, but God is the ocean of forgiveness. You know this: what is an ocean? So do not worry on that kind. Not only I, but you will raise the Kundalini and give them realization. All right? Some question coming into your mind, Sir? Shri Mataji: Already your the Kundalini has risen very high up. When it crosses this point you do not think even, you become into thoughtless awareness, Nirvichar Samadhi. Already even if you have to think of a question, you'll have to assert a little pressure. That's the trick. Some questions? Unclear]Shri Mataji: They are just like you people, like the human beings are. You see how human beings live, they will go to the church and from the church direct to the pub. How do you explain that? You see your own mother dies in the house and you have a champagne. Human beings are like that. In the same way these are just ordinary human being, they are not realized souls. A realized soul will never hurt anyone. So they try to be good; they try to be bad. They are half-hearted, half-baked people, so they are like that, but why take help from anybody else, why not be yourself? You see, we do not like to take help from anyone normally, you see, especially in the West people do not think they should take any help. "I on my own." But why in spiritual life you want to take help from a spirit? You should not, because they are parasites. Once they get stuck onto you, it will be impossible to get rid of them; and then they start doing all kind of tricks, you see. In My presence the other day, "This you remember Maria had come in our house, we had a program and there were all spiritualist there." And one of them got up suddenly and he started moving his hands like this, [unclear] going on. He said, "I cannot control it." I said, "You better control. You say you are a spiritualist, so why not control your spirits?" So it was going on like that, and like that he cannot control. So, these are the permutations and combinations of all types they are but basically they are the left and the right, but they can combine as I told you, and they are horrible. The sooner you get awakened to their cunningness and to their stupidity better it is for you because you are seekers. You are not seekers of this life only, you have been seeking for lives together. It has been said at the time of Nala and Damayanti, just image at the time when it was Satya Yuga, just at the end of the Satya Yuga; you can say a little at Dwapara, thousands of years back it was said that you will be born like this. Because, you see, this Kali, this modern times, the one who is the Kali Yuga as you call it he is responsible for, you see, intriguing people against, intrigue and confusing people. So he is the one who is the, we should say the driver of this Kali Yuga is. So, this Kali was caught by Nala because poor Nala was once intrigued by this Kali, and was so much tortured that he gave up his own wife. He gave up his own wife, you see, and he was tortured and this Kali was again was caught up by Nala, and he said that "I am going to now kill you, So, because you are the one who is an intriguer, who confuses people, and who try to create all kind of problems. Because, you see, there is going to be a Yuga," as he said, Kali Yuga. He knew at that time everybody would be in a confusion. So he told Nala that "You see, you wait for some time, and I will tell you, explain to you what is my importance is, what is my mahatmay, importance is. When you will realize my importance then you will leave me." So he said, "All right, you tell me." Said, "You give me some time to explain to you", and then he told him that "In the Kali Yuga when I will be the driver of that yuga, you see, the people who will be born will be the seekers who are today seeking." In those days, you see, Dwapara, long time back are seeking in the caves, and in the jungles, and in the forest, "Who are seeking God, will be born as ordinary human beings, living as house holders in very ordinary way and they will get their realization. And that's why you should not try to kill me, because Kali Yuga has to come. If the confusion is not come in, people do not seek it that much and that's why out of confusion only the light comes. So that stage had to reach, of that culminating point had to reach and that only I can do it, so you just spare me," and he was spared. Now this is, when was this? Dwapara means at least six thousand or eight thousand years back. This was, that had happened. Eight thousand years back these things were said or even earlier we can say even before Rama's time, would be about nine thousand years back. So this was said nine thousand years back, that you will be born. So you are seekers, and you have been seeking for many lives, not this life only, and now you have come to a point when you should get that what you have been seeking, so just ask for that. Why ask for these rope tricks? You see, that vanishing tricks, rope tricks, all these tricks, because this means all spirits. This is not your own Spirit - the Atma is. And the English language has one confusion is that the spirit is for everything. Spirit is your Atma, is the reflection of God within you in your heart; spirit is also a dead body and spirit is also what you sell in the pubs. So all these things confuse. You see, is a confusion, again is a very big confusion. But you must know that within your heart resides God, and once you become that power then you become your self. That is the self which is to be realized, that is to be achieved and that you must ask for; all the rest of the things are useless. These are all outside; even what is the asanas for? For having a good body, for what? All right, we should keep good health I can understand, but all the time your attention is on your body, what are you going to do? Are you going to wrestle somewhere or are you going to join these, what you call these boxing bouts? You are seekers, you are a different clan altogether, you are not one of these horrible people who take out the bone of their nose just to box each other. You are not those people, you are different, you cannot make jokers out of you. I mean you are different people altogether, the flowers of the creation. How can you accept all these nonsensical things what others are doing are doing? You cannot. You try, you will try it for a while, and then to give it up. Because there you will not find what you have been seeking - is the self, your own being within yourselves. Now how are you to believe into yourself also, how are to know what is Self-realization is? This is the point because that is what one should know; what we should know when we are Self- realized. First of all, it is all described in the scriptures, whether you take Bible, Koran, or anything. But supposing you do not understand. But still after Self-realization what should happen? When you realize your self means you have enlightenment. What happens when you get the light in this room? You start seeing everything, you starting seeing yourself and you start seeing others. In the same way when you get realization, Self-realization, you should see yourself first of all. That means you should feel your chakras, you should feel them. Now you put your hands towards Me, you can feel your own chakras whatever is catching in you, you can feel it on your hands. You can feel the silence within you and you can feel it. If you are not feeling anything and cool breeze is coming then your chakras are clear, that means you are seniors. After sometime you'll be amazed that you will see within yourself the Kundalini rising, putting its pressure here, going there. You can also see in others, the same thing. You can say, "Where is the Kundalini?" When I ask you say, "Mother, it's here," "Mother, it's not yet risen." Not that I don't know, of course I know, but I just ask you and I show all the [unclear] that is possible because I want you to learn and work it out you see. So I say, "Oh really its there! I didn't know." But I play an illusion by which you just don't, you hear Me but you don't believe in it, you see, and so next time you will do it very seriously and I like it, because then you learn this art. Otherwise you see you will say, "Mother, You are doing everything then why should we do it?" So I want you to learn this art of Kundalini fully, that you know about yourself, that you know about your own chakras. You find out where is the Kundalini is, how it is working. Then you know about others, you know about others' chakras, where it is, where it is moving, and how it is working, so that you get into collective consciousness by which you know others and Self-realization by which you know yourself. These two things happen. Now what happens thirdly, thirdly it should happen that you should feel that you are one with the Divine so there's no pressure in your mind, no tension. Now, how do you feel you are one with the Divine? Say for example how do you feel it is connected? When it is passing the energy through you, isn't it? Now when you see the energy passing through you, you just say, "It is going, It is coming," you don't say, "I'm giving this." You are the channel, but you never say that, you say, "It is going," "It is there," "It is not there." You start thinking about the third person. You separate yourself from that and you start seeing "It is going, it's not." And, moreover, you do not say that I am doing it, neither you feel that you are doing it so your ego is finished. You just say, "It's going." You cannot say. Now yesterday as we were working a doctor was there and these people they Gavin was there. They said, "No Mother, not yet. No, no, it's not done." They could not say that "We are doing it," neither they could say, "Yes it is done." You cannot just say it. If it is done, it is done. If it is not done, it is not done. See, maybe your own son cannot get realization, maybe a problem with that also. It is quite possibility, So it is the truth and it can happen to someone and may not happen to another. Truth is a truth, you cannot force it onto anyone. It has to get into a place and it is has to work it out itself. Say, here is the light. Now here is the light so you can see, but if there is no light in the other room, you cannot say there is light. You cannot force, you cannot give a certificate, a wrong certificate - "there is light." You can clearly there is no light, so it's all right there is no light. You are not attached to it. You cannot say that "Because he is my brother, oh, he must have the light," you cannot say that. Or you cannot say falsely also that there is light, because you can see clearly. No, there is not; so there is not. So you are identified with truth, first of all. By Self-realization, you are identified with truth. If you try to identify with untruth you cannot. You just cannot even if you try, you cannot, because how can you do it? Because you can see for yourself it is not working out; it is not going up. It's not happening, so how can you say? So first you are identify with truth, and truth is the nature of God, is the nature of God's truth which is expressed through your Spirit, and the vibrations that you are getting is nothing but the pulsation, the Spirit speaking, the Spirit is talking to you. There is a rapport between your awareness and that of the Spirit. Actually, the Spirit is giving you this light through you. You have become the lamp of the Spirit now, and the light is enlightened so you are identified with the Spirit. You become the truth. Then, the second point is that you have to become, you can say steady person. You have to be steady into it. Like you see believe into something, All right, now you know that this is yellow color or this is white color, but supposing somebody says, "No, no, no, this is not white, this is black," and you start figuring whether it is really white or black, is it true or not. You see you are not sure about it - the surety of it, the surety of it. Even if you put ten children together and tie their eyes and ask them to see the vibration of a particular person, all of them will raise the same finger, everybody is catching on this, everybody will say they are catching on this, nobody will say that [unclear]. So you get the sure and certain truth, the truth is a sure thing, there cannot be two truths, it has to be one. You understand this? So the truth that you see is absolutely the one, and what is the one truth is very subtle, which is very difficult

Public program in Dr.Johnson's House, Birmingham (England). 31 May 1979. [Introduction by a yogi]: [unclear]spiritual personality and who has reincarnated on Earth and She has given many of us here realization of our true natures and I hope you'll all sit here with an open mind tonight and try and receive what She has to give you. And all I can ask is you just hold out your hands towards Her, relax and listen to what Mataji has to say. [Shri Mataji speaks]: I am thankful to Balaa and Philip, all My children, who have been able to arrange this hall and have you all here for this program. Modern times are really very different from whatever time the incarnations came on this Earth. There's such a tremendous differences when Christ came on this Earth and today when somebody has to face the seekers. There were no seekers at the time of Christ, not a single seeker. When He came on this Earth, He had to actually persuade people, He had to put some sort of a explanation for them that they should seek, that there is something beyond which they should ask for. But today it's a very different thing, today we have seekers, and not one but millions of them; especially in the West, people are seeking. The seeking comes to us through our capacity to conceive something beyond. We do not know why we are seeking, what we are seeking, but there's a craving within us which makes us feel uncomfortable all the time. Despite the fact we have such a lot of affluence around us, I mean as far as our food and our clothing and our housing questions are there, most of them are solved. Despite that we feel that we have not been able to feel happy, joyous and have not been able to understand our own fulfillment. We do not know why we are on this Earth, why we have to be born as human beings, what is our mission in life. But there are so many who do not think about it, they're not bothered about it. For example, the scientists of the West do not think why they have become from amoeba, a human being, why God has made them from an amoeba, a little unicellular animal, into a human being; and why such a complicated instrument has been created, and how it has been created. What are the under-currents? What are the powers that have created this wonderful thing known as a human being? They have not been able to find out the why of it. Of course, whatever they see they can tell you that "This is what a human being is, this is what is, this is his nose and these are his eyes" and whatever factual things they find out, they tell you that "This is what it is." But what is our destination? What is the purpose? And this is what they cannot answer and that's why we have another type of people who are the seekers. But for your information, I have to tell you that God has already made all the arrangements for you. You have come up from amoeba stage to human beings. What did you do in your evolution? What effort did you put in for your evolution? To become a human being, just think of it. They say that you were monkeys and, today you are human beings. What did you do? Do you remember what you have done to become human beings? Who has done all this? Somebody who has done with his own effort. And that is the same thing that will happen to you when you have to go further in your evolution, that source or that energy or if you like it I would say, the God Almighty who has created us, is going to give us that special being, a birth within us. We are going to achieve that through His grace, and through nobody else. Now it is being said, not only by Me, what I say I have a complete historical background. You can go up to Socrates and you can come up to Christ, everywhere you will find what I say is written down there. I do not have to quarrel with them at all; they are My own, they are with Me. But I am here to convince you that whatever they have said is the truth. Not by preaching about it, not by brain-washing, not by writing books about it, but by giving you the experience of your being, actualizing it, what they have said that there is a Spirit within us and we have to be born of the Spirit. And what is that Spirit is? And how do we become that? That is what we are going to experience. As soon as I say, "You cannot put in any effort about it," our ego gets challenged. How is it? It's difficult for a modern person to understand, that God's grace is going to work out. Even Shankaracharya, you know Adi Shankarachayia, the one who propounded Hinduism in India, said that "na yogena, na sankhyena," not by any of these things that it is going to happen, but by Mother's grace it's going to work out that you are you going to be realized, there's no way out. No way thinking about it, writing about it, preaching about it, talking about it, it has to happen to you. It's a living thing that has to happen to you. Like a little seed, it has to sprout. Now no use standing before the seed and doing all kinds of asanas. No use giving a lecture to the seed. Just a little water of love and the seed sprouts by itself, it comes up by itself. And that's how your own seed is going to work out, the whole process of manifestation, spontaneous. But we think of effort because we are used to it. For everything we have to have effort, so we think even for realization we have to go in to some kind of a terrible effort, but that's the wrong idea altogether. It is a spontaneous thing, it's a living process, you are made specially like this since you were a little animal called as amoeba. Till today you are looked after, you are brought to date and now you have to happen. How are we built within ourselves, and what is the specialty that brings forth this manifestation? We have to see about it. But when I'm talking to you, you need not sort of blindly follow that whatever I have said to you. But you should not also close your minds about it, because by saying it's not going to work out, it is going to work out by some other method; and when it works out within you, you yourself will know that it has happened. I will not have to give a certificate; you will yourself give a certificate about it. Now here I'm going to tell you how we are built within ourselves. As I have said, you should not close your minds about it; it is a hypothesis which you should see for yourself. If it works out, if you find that whatever I have said really works out and you can work it out and you can maneuver it and you can understand all the powers that are within you; then you just believe into it, then don't deny it. So to bring forth your rebirth or your Self-realization, already there is a mechanism made ready, we can say that as we've got this mechanism made ready here, in the same way there is a mechanism within us which is absolutely ready to act. We can say like a computer, a computer is being built in us, only thing you are to be put to the mains, like this cord has to be put to the mains. That's the only thing now left, and if you have put in effort, I'll have to little bit what you call, demolish that much of effort of yours. Because there is no effort needed. Only thing is I have to take this cord and put it to the mains. But supposing I do not know how to do it, then I will spoil this. Or this by itself cannot do it. You can see a candle and candle itself cannot light itself. But if there is an enlightened candle, it can enlighten that candle. In the same way if there is somebody who's enlightened, can enlighten your candle if he knows how to do it. This knowledge has to come to you and you have to get that enlightenment within you, then you can do that enlightenment for others also. Like that you'll find there are at least here eighty-five percent people who know that, who have got realization, and why not the rest of them should get it? They should; that is their right, that is their birth right and they must get it. Sahaja, Saha means with, ja means born. It is born within you. It is within you, the right is within you to get it; and you all are meant for that, and you have to just get it, for yourself. Now here is the instrument, I would say placed like this, out of which if you see, the three energies that are flowing. Is: one of the left hand side, this black one, then another on the right hand side and one in the center. Now these three energies give rise to three autonomous nervous systems within us. The left one gives rise to our left sympathetic; the right one to the right sympathetic and the central one is the parasympathetic. These are the subtle energies placed in the spinal cord also in the cranial bones. Now these energies are: the left side gives us the existence, by which we exist, by this energy we exist. But this also stores up our subconscious or we can say stores up all that is conditioning within us because, say I am telling you something, now you are listening to Me and all that you are listening is going into your subconscious, all that is stored up here. On the right hand side, the energy that is there is for our physical and mental activity. The left hand side is for our emotional activity, and the right hand side is for our physical and mental activity. By this energy we do our physical, any emergencies or physical activity. Like if you have to run, you do Hatha Yogas, and you do all kinds of frantic things. Nowadays in London we have a group of people who are dancing nude all the time. You see, all such things are done by this energy. The upper part of this channel provides for our mental energy by which we think, plan and all that we think about the future. So we can say that this energy is for the future and that is for the past, the central one is for the present. Now you cannot be in the present for more than a second, even a split of a second and that is what is the energy you have developed through your evolutionary process, by which now you have become a human being. Now the whole system is just like this, it's seven centers within you. You can see for yourself: the red, the yellow, the green, the blue, the smoky, and the brilliant white, or you can say the goldenish and the top. Like that there are seven centers, these are the subtle centers all within you, placed within you; they are all there, already there. I don't have to create them they are just ready and placed beautifully there inside you and these, all these centers outside manifest what you call "the plexuses." For example, the lower one manifests the pelvic plexus, and the aeortic plexus, then we have solar plexus.[interruption in recording][unclear] has to take place. When these two activities, the emotional activity and your what you call, the creativity activity start working together, as a by product we assimilate in our heads two things. One is called as the superego and another as the ego, you can say the smoke out of these activities accumulated there. So the ego and superego meet like this in the brain and it all fuses together and we get this fontanel bone completely covered. When this happens then you become Mr. X, you become Miss Y and you become Master Z. You become different people, you get this I-ness within you and you are separated from the whole. Like I can say, first of all I separate this instrument and try it on its own battery and then I put it to the mains. You have been given freedom. By giving you this I-ness, you are free to do what you like with yourself. So you start seeking, you start thinking, you start a job or every sort of enterprise in your life comes in. We have seeking for money. Those people do not have seeking for money have got seeking for positions or for power. Some people of course have seeking for the Divine. But in all these seekings, we go out, like horns. We do not stay in, we seek it outside; we cannot take our attention inside. For example when you are listening to Me, if I say, "Take your the attention inside," you cannot. The attention is all out, it has come out because of this kind of arrangement that is the brain, and if I tell you all about it, it is going to take another lecture. But how it comes out is also a very interesting thing. Only among human beings it is like that, because our brains is like a prism, and because of that the energies that coming to us, actually go very little inside, most of them go out, that's why our attention is outside. Now, how can an attention be taken in? Say you are listening to Me, all right, now suddenly if something happens, it falls out, or something happens within you then your attention is immediately drawn to that. Though you are very attentive to Me, still your attention will be drawn to that. In the same way, there has to be some sort of a happening within you. When that happening takes place, immediately your attention goes in and the happening will start by a circular thing, which is kept there, which are three and half coils and that is the energy which we call as the residual energy, which is kept there like a coil. As I told you that you are to be put to the mains so-called, and this one is called as the Kundalini, and this residual energy has to rise, and when it is awaken, and when it rises, it passes through all these centers and integrates you completely and then you become one with the Divine. You are opened out to the Divine, and you find that both ego and superego open out like that, and you enter into a new consciousness, into a new awareness, by which you become collectively conscious. Now this is little bit too much to understand what is collective consciousness is. But as I would say that you must have heard all UN people and everybody saying, "We are all brothers and sisters, and we should not fight with each other," but it is all outside. It is all outside to say that we are all brothers and sisters, we do not think that we are brothers and sisters. Or to say that this whole Universe is one, we are all one, part of the One, and the whole primordial Being is there and we are just part of it. How are we to believe it? It's all stories. But it happens to you that you start feeling the another person, on your fingers you start feeling the chakras. You see, here I'll show you when you are enlightened you start feeling your centers on your fingers. You start feeling what are the problems of another person. You start feeling where is the imbalance in those energies, which energy is more, which energy is less, how to raise it, and how to put it right. Because you are open to the mains, all the tension drops out, you become absolutely blissful. Supposing your car has got little petrol and it's about to finish, your patience goes out. But if you know that there is a pipe which is all the time flowing into your car, which is filling that tank, then you are not bothered. In the same way you get open to that all- pervading Power, that grace, which is all the time filling you later on and you feel absolutely blissful. The tensions go away and you start feeling the another person, his chakras and her chakras and you can correct them also. Now we have cured cancer, no doubt, and only this Self-realization is going to cure cancer. Now this I have been saying from the year 1970. When they get cancer they come to Me, even doctors. They get cured, but when they say that "Mataji has cured us," people just don't believe them. It is too much for them to believe that cancer can be cured by Self-realization. Now what is cancer? Is nothing but over activity of these two nadis, or these two channels. They are like this, this channel is say the right, this is the left. Now this is the channel and these are the centers. When they start working too much, whatever it has stored, little energy you start losing it. When you use them too much they separate, and when they separate they are on their own. Once they are on their own, then they become malignant. With Sahaja Yoga what do we do is to pour that energy more into them so that they again come back to the normal state, and then the energy is sufficiently flowing in there is no exhaustion at all, and the person feels perfectly all right. But if you say this to anyone else but a sahaja yogi, they don't believe it. I did My medicine because I had to talk to doctors, and I will be talking to doctors now in England, London, when I come back from India, and that's why I did My medicine. And I find that My professor who was teaching Me, his wife got cancer and she had a secondary cancer. And then his wife said, "Why not try Her, after all you people cannot cure me," and they said that "It's a secondary stage, it's horrible," you just can't say about the patient. Not that she is cured but there is no trace of it and the doctor cannot explain how it has happened. I can explain to him absolutely, scientifically that we have managed the parasympathetic nervous system, which they call as autonomous. They say it is run by itself, by auto. Now who is this auto? You say it is a automobile, all right, there's somebody sitting and running it, isn't it? But who is running this? This you cannot explain. Doctors say, "We do not know the mode of action. We cannot say, how it works we do not know." They are truthful about it. But when I say, "You can jump onto it, you can just control that parasympathetic," they say, "How can that be possible?" It is, believe Me it is possible, it has to be. After all if some instrument has been made with such care for years together, for thousands of years, do you think it is just a wasteful activity of God? That He would not do something about it? That He will not give you your fulfillment? How is it possible? Any rational person can understand it; through rationality you can understand all these things but the happening is for change, is a living process, and works out by itself. Now there are some people I've seen that in seeking they have gone to wrong places, they have been hurt, they have been troubled, they have been tortured, they have been misled, but doesn't matter. It is a living process and living process is very different from a dead process. For example something goes wrong with this say, a hall, then you cannot do something about the foundations. But if a tree is say in a mess, you can treat the tree in such a way that the whole tree can be all right, the roots can be all right. In the same way, this thing is absolutely a living process everything can be all right, and has to work out. Now but the biggest problem of the West is Mr. E-G-O, which is colossal sometimes, and it's very difficult for people to understand that they cannot pay for God, they cannot purchase Him; you cannot. Maybe in your churches people take money and live like parasites, but God is not a parasite. These are horrible people, maybe in your temples, maybe in your mosques, maybe anywhere people are purchasing God; but that's a myth, that's absolutely a myth and insult of God. Nobody can purchase God, nor can you have a say of His grace and love. So this is a big challenge and people don't want to accept it. And so many thugs who have come from India, I take the responsibility as an Indian, if you call Me an Indian, that of course they did come here to rob you. But you are also partly responsible. Your ego was satisfied that they said, "You can pay for that," that you were robbed by these horrible people. And if they have robbed you they are going to be punished, no doubt they are going to be punished, because you are seekers they have robbed you. It's the sad part of it. If you were ordinary people they would have not bothered about it, but because you are seekers they've harmed you deliberately, and they have robbed you. If they are robbers they should become, say, burglars. They could be good burglars; they can earn much more money by that; they should take to smuggling. But why trouble the seekers? It has happened with so many people and so many that are here who have got realization also have gone through not to one but four, five of them, one after another. In America people told Me, "Mother we've been to guru shopping." I said, "Now will you settle down somewhere or are you still shopping?" They get into a mood of shopping so they cannot stick on to it. It is a terrible thing, and that is the worst that has happened in the modern times. To awaken this Kundalini they say is a very, very difficult thing, they say. I don't believe it. It is not, it is the easiest thing for Me, it's My play. I can just do it like this, I can raise your Kundalini like this and you will also do the same. Once you are realized, you will also start moving other's Kundalini. You can see for yourself that how the power of your Spirit grows. You can raise their Kundalini, you can cure them, you can understand what's wrong with their chakras, and you can look after all the people whom you want to pay attention to. You can do it too, because the time has come, the blossom times has come. It was difficult when only one flower was to flower, then only three, four flowers came in. Now it's a blossom time, so many have to become fruits and many are changing fast. It has to be en masse, it is working out that way. It has to work out for many of them, otherwise the creation won't stay anymore there. Already the destruction has settled into our minds. This time the destruction is not going to come from outside but from within because we'll be frustrated that we are not been able to find out what we have been finding out. But people are of varied nature. Just now Baal asked Me on the way, "Mother how is it I am such a fortunate person that I should, I should get it so easily? I haven't done anything about it and I get it." Because you are blessed specially, you are especially blessed, that's how you are going to get it. Now in this Birmingham I saw nothing but people and people and people, all kinds. But here how many do we have? This is what it is, so there is a choice and there is a selection and there is a way of getting the right people at the right time. It can only work out with people who really deserve it to begin with, but gradually it works out in a very much bigger way and a very much bigger way and many people can get it and can work it out. If you have any questions you please ask Me because it is such a vast subject, I don't know how will I cover up in one lecture? Tomorrow I am going visit Balaa. Those who want to come and see Me personally, can come and see Me there I don't know his address he will tell you. Tomorrow I'll be there till 12 o'clock. All of you are welcome to come and see Me, but here also if you have any questions you must ask Me and also we'll try to work out the realization part of it. [Audience]: question unclearShri Mataji: All right, now karmas are - this is also karma. Who does the karma? Is your ego. You do not do it. If you ask, say an animal, say you ask a tiger, he does not do any karma. We, in our ignorance, think that we are doing the karma because we have our ego there nicely placed, and because we are something that suggest the karma. But supposing I remove your ego one side, then who is doing the karma there? You are no more there, you go into akarma. Moreover if I am something, say I am something, then I can cleanse it also, possibility is there. All right. Do you know My name Nirmala, what does that means? Means "Purity," if I'm anything of My name, I may be able to cleanse it completely. If I'm your Mother I have to do it, that's My job, and I'll work hard. So don't you stick onto your karmas, do not identify with them. They are nothing for Me, I know how to cleanse all these, very well. I've studied all the permutations and combinations of all this. All right? These people have also put ideas into your heads that you have very bad karmas, especially you see in the church you say, "you are sinners." Sinners, morning till evening. Those who say are the greatest sinners I can tell you that, and those who receive from you confessions, I am surprised they are not mad as yet. They should become the way they are taking confessions from everybody. Just think of it, absurd. Human beings are the most beautiful things God has created, the most beautiful: he has done some mistakes, all right, but God is the ocean of forgiveness. You know this: what is an ocean? So do not worry on that kind. Not only I, but you will raise the Kundalini and give them realization. All right? Some question coming into your mind, Sir? Shri Mataji: Already your the Kundalini has risen very high up. When it crosses this point you do not think even, you become into thoughtless awareness, Nirvichar Samadhi. Already even if you have to think of a question, you'll have to assert a little pressure. That's the trick. Some questions? Unclear]Shri Mataji: They are just like you people, like the human beings are. You see how human beings live, they will go to the church and from the church direct to the pub. How do you explain that? You see your own mother dies in the house and you have a champagne. Human beings are like that. In the same way these are just ordinary human being, they are not realized souls. A realized soul will never hurt anyone. So they try to be good; they try to be bad. They are half-hearted, half-baked people, so they are like that, but why take help from anybody else, why not be yourself? You see, we do not like to take help from anyone normally, you see, especially in the West people do not think they should take any help. "I on my own." But why in spiritual life you want to take help from a spirit? You should not, because they are parasites. Once they get stuck onto you, it will be impossible to get rid of them; and then they start doing all kind of tricks, you see. In My presence the other day, "This you remember Maria had come in our house, we had a program and there were all spiritualist there." And one of them got up suddenly and he started moving his hands like this, [unclear] going on. He said, "I cannot control it." I said, "You better control. You say you are a spiritualist, so why not control your spirits?" So it was going on like that, and like that he cannot control. So, these are the permutations and combinations of all types they are but basically they are the left and the right, but they can combine as I told you, and they are horrible. The sooner you get awakened to their cunningness and to their stupidity better it is for you because you are seekers. You are not seekers of this life only, you have been seeking for lives together. It has been said at the time of Nala and Damayanti, just image at the time when it was Satya Yuga, just at the end of the Satya Yuga; you can say a little at Dwapara, thousands of years back it was said that you will be born like this. Because, you see, this Kali, this modern times, the one who is the Kali Yuga as you call it he is responsible for, you see, intriguing people against, intrigue and confusing people. So he is the one who is the, we should say the driver of this Kali Yuga is. So, this Kali was caught by Nala because poor Nala was once intrigued by this Kali, and was so much tortured that he gave up his own wife. He gave up his own wife, you see, and he was tortured and this Kali was again was caught up by Nala, and he said that "I am going to now kill you, So, because you are the one who is an intriguer, who confuses people, and who try to create all kind of problems. Because, you see, there is going to be a Yuga," as he said, Kali Yuga. He knew at that time everybody would be in a confusion. So he told Nala that "You see, you wait for some time, and I will tell you, explain to you what is my importance is, what is my mahatmay, importance is. When you will realize my importance then you will leave me." So he said, "All right, you tell me." Said, "You give me some time to explain to you", and then he told him that "In the Kali Yuga when I will be the driver of that yuga, you see, the people who will be born will be the seekers who are today seeking." In those days, you see, Dwapara, long time back are seeking in the caves, and in the jungles, and in the forest, "Who are seeking God, will be born as ordinary human beings, living as house holders in very ordinary way and they will get their realization. And that's why you should not try to kill me, because Kali Yuga has to come. If the confusion is not come in, people do not seek it that much and that's why out of confusion only the light comes. So that stage had to reach, of that culminating point had to reach and that only I can do it, so you just spare me," and he was spared. Now this is, when was this? Dwapara means at least six thousand or eight thousand years back. This was, that had happened. Eight thousand years back these things were said or even earlier we can say even before Rama's time, would be about nine thousand years back. So this was said nine thousand years back, that you will be born. So you are seekers, and you have been seeking for many lives, not this life only, and now you have come to a point when you should get that what you have been seeking, so just ask for that. Why ask for these rope tricks? You see, that vanishing tricks, rope tricks, all these tricks, because this means all spirits. This is not your own Spirit - the Atma is. And the English language has one confusion is that the spirit is for everything. Spirit is your Atma, is the reflection of God within you in your heart; spirit is also a dead body and spirit is also what you sell in the pubs. So all these things confuse. You see, is a confusion, again is a very big confusion. But you must know that within your heart resides God, and once you become that power then you become your self. That is the self which is to be realized, that is to be achieved and that you must ask for; all the rest of the things are useless. These are all outside; even what is the asanas for? For having a good body, for what? All right, we should keep good health I can understand, but all the time your attention is on your body, what are you going to do? Are you going to wrestle somewhere or are you going to join these, what you call these boxing bouts? You are seekers, you are a different clan altogether, you are not one of these horrible people who take out the bone of their nose just to box each other. You are not those people, you are different, you cannot make jokers out of you. I mean you are different people altogether, the flowers of the creation. How can you accept all these nonsensical things what others are doing are doing? You cannot. You try, you will try it for a while, and then to give it up. Because there you will not find what you have been seeking - is the self, your own being within yourselves. Now how are you to believe into yourself also, how are to know what is Self-realization is? This is the point because that is what one should know; what we should know when we are Self- realized. First of all, it is all described in the scriptures, whether you take Bible, Koran, or anything. But supposing you do not understand. But still after Self-realization what should happen? When you realize your self means you have enlightenment. What happens when you get the light in this room? You start seeing everything, you starting seeing yourself and you start seeing others. In the same way when you get realization, Self-realization, you should see yourself first of all. That means you should feel your chakras, you should feel them. Now you put your hands towards Me, you can feel your own chakras whatever is catching in you, you can feel it on your hands. You can feel the silence within you and you can feel it. If you are not feeling anything and cool breeze is coming then your chakras are clear, that means you are seniors. After sometime you'll be amazed that you will see within yourself the Kundalini rising, putting its pressure here, going there. You can also see in others, the same thing. You can say, "Where is the Kundalini?" When I ask you say, "Mother, it's here," "Mother, it's not yet risen." Not that I don't know, of course I know, but I just ask you and I show all the [unclear] that is possible because I want you to learn and work it out you see. So I say, "Oh really its there! I didn't know." But I play an illusion by which you just don't, you hear Me but you don't believe in it, you see, and so next time you will do it very seriously and I like it, because then you learn this art. Otherwise you see you will say, "Mother, You are doing everything then why should we do it?" So I want you to learn this art of Kundalini fully, that you know about yourself, that you know about your own chakras. You find out where is the Kundalini is, how it is working. Then you know about others, you know about others' chakras, where it is, where it is moving, and how it is working, so that you get into collective consciousness by which you know others and Self-realization by which you know yourself. These two things happen. Now what happens thirdly, thirdly it should happen that you should feel that you are one with the Divine so there's no pressure in your mind, no tension. Now, how do you feel you are one with the Divine? Say for example how do you feel it is connected? When it is passing the energy through you, isn't it? Now when you see the energy passing through you, you just say, "It is going, It is coming," you don't say, "I'm giving this." You are the channel, but you never say that, you say, "It is going," "It is there," "It is not there." You start thinking about the third person. You separate yourself from that and you start seeing "It is going, it's not." And, moreover, you do not say that I am doing it, neither you feel that you are doing it so your ego is finished. You just say, "It's going." You cannot say. Now yesterday as we were working a doctor was there and these people they Gavin was there. They said, "No Mother, not yet. No, no, it's not done." They could not say that "We are doing it," neither they could say, "Yes it is done." You cannot just say it. If it is done, it is done. If it is not done, it is not done. See, maybe your own son cannot get realization, maybe a problem with that also. It is quite possibility, So it is the truth and it can happen to someone and may not happen to another. Truth is a truth, you cannot force it onto anyone. It has to get into a place and it is has to work it out itself. Say, here is the light. Now here is the light so you can see, but if there is no light in the other room, you cannot say there is light. You cannot force, you cannot give a certificate, a wrong certificate - "there is light." You can clearly there is no light, so it's all right there is no light. You are not attached to it. You cannot say that "Because he is my brother, oh, he must have the light," you cannot say that. Or you cannot say falsely also that there is light, because you can see clearly. No, there is not; so there is not. So you are identified with truth, first of all. By Self-realization, you are identified with truth. If you try to identify with untruth you cannot. You just cannot even if you try, you cannot, because how can you do it? Because you can see for yourself it is not working out; it is not going up. It's not happening, so how can you say? So first you are identify with truth, and truth is the nature of God, is the nature of God's truth which is expressed through your Spirit, and the vibrations that you are getting is nothing but the pulsation, the Spirit speaking, the Spirit is talking to you. There is a rapport between your awareness and that of the Spirit. Actually, the Spirit is giving you this light through you. You have become the lamp of the Spirit now, and the light is enlightened so you are identified with the Spirit. You become the truth. Then, the second point is that you have to become, you can say steady person. You have to be steady into it. Like you see believe into something, All right, now you know that this is yellow color or this is white color, but supposing somebody says, "No, no, no, this is not white, this is black," and you start figuring whether it is really white or black, is it true or not. You see you are not sure about it - the surety of it, the surety of it. Even if you put ten children together and tie their eyes and ask them to see the vibration of a particular person, all of them will raise the same finger, everybody is catching on this, everybody will say they are catching on this, nobody will say that [unclear]. So you get the sure and certain truth, the truth is a sure thing, there cannot be two truths, it has to be one. You understand this? So the truth that you see is absolutely the one, and what is the one truth is very subtle, which is very difficult

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Conversation with Yogis. Northampton (UK), 5 June 1979. ... any dimension it must be, just think of it. Now the permutations and combinations are, as I said, are thirty-four, thirty-five, crores [Hindi word meaning 10 million] of permutations and combinations. So, I told our great mathematician, Mr Djamel, to work it out. He said, “Impossible!” And he told Me some number; up to that we can. But this is too much. How can you work it out? How many permutations and combinations there must be in thirty-five crores of your [mind; unsure] Sahaja Yogi: Three hundred and fifty million. That’s only – that’s the basic point, you see, but how many permutations and combinations out of them are active, and how they work it out? But the only thing that the human being has is to take it. You see, this is the most difficult thing. Even if you have the best on this earth, what’s the use? If human beings are not going to turn their hands towards Me, what can I do about it? Now all these permutations and combinations are fixed and very nicely done and they work very fast. They are very busy – I have seen it – and they work all over the world, all over the universe. But this little brain here is covered in something called as Mr. E G O and it’s very difficult for these little little things to ask them to open. It’s very difficult for them. They find it impossible and it is such a funny thing going on, you see, that every time a river flows and the people have to fill the cups that have to open, either they put the cups on the other way round or they put some stones and say that, “We didn’t get anything.” So, this permutations and combinations business is so tremendous that I wonder at Myself sometimes how I speak to them, you see, to speak. You see, currently with all this going on you can imagine what must be the sense, and but for My sense of humor I would not have existed, allowed Myself to live. The amount of things I have to tolerate and the amount of [unclear] to which people come to and the way they behave, it’s fine, finding it out sometimes, and sometimes it’s the way they question Me. Then only thing I can do is to just laugh it out and use My sense of humor and be there and work it out. So this is the big problem and this problem is not so easy to solve, but some people do feel bad sometimes and they behave in a manner that makes Me know that they know about it very well and that’s why they are so frightened and they understand it very well So, now we are today going to tell you about collectivity. You must hear the first part of this – is very interesting -but I am doing the second part now. Now, collectivity is a thing, is to be understood in a much deeper way than we have thought, you see. First of all, in collectivity, when we say this body is a collective instrument made out of many cells, all right? Then what do we understand? That first thing is, in collectivity we must realize that there is interdependence. We have to depend on others. Like he has to depend on her and she is dependent upon him. But when it comes to ego not only that it separates you from each other – that’s not the only thing it does – but it teaches you not to be dependent on anyone. You have to depend on others. You are not to exploit others but you have to depend on others and others have to depend upon you first thing very much. On this subject I’ll tell you a little more. Now, for example there is one Mr X and another Mr Y who are Sahaja Yogis and X and Y have to depend on each other. Say a position like that comes up. So what should we do? We must try to find out the common point first of all. If there is a question of common point, it will not work out. So common point is – of course, you know that there is a common point between both of them – that they have been thinking and they have got it through Sahaja Yoga and that I am the person whom they think will resolve all the differences between them. So, this is one common point, but the dependence between the two is to be prepared in a country where we don’t really go near them. First of all, when we try to depend on others, have we been able to create an atmosphere of dependence? Say, supposing you know I do not want My son to stay in My house, so how will I talk to My son? I will say, “You are good for nothing. You are such a liability. You are all the time on my head and you are troubling me such a lot.” All right. Or, “You cannot earn five pounds even.” What have you taught him? He gets hurt. “All right, I will show you.” So, he goes out, digs a hole. He’ll do anything to show his mother that he can earn money, see, and that’s how he’ll work it out, isn’t it? Another thing could be, simpler way, is to just throw him out, you see, and then you should say, “Look at him,” and you are having bad relations. I mean, you have done everything that is possible to create bad relations. Now, it’s just the truth. I mean, when you work it out that way, what do you expect to happen? The simple thing is that you have bad relations with each other. I mean, it’s the whole thing is worked out bad. So what is the other thing one has to do, is to prepare a ground. Now how I would act if I want somebody to come to Sahaj, for example? I would find out what does he like to eat. What is he fond of? Or is he an intellectual? Then I should try to tell him that, “I don’t understand much or have not read much,” so that he feels all right with Me, that She’s all right. She is not an intellectual. There’s no confrontation at that point. So it’s all right. You see, intellectual is a trick, you see. I do it. So he comes in. Then when he gets realization, you see, how two people can inter-depend on each other after realization. You should see that supposing somebody is catching, all right. One way would be direct to tell, “Oh you are catching on Vishuddhi. Get out. We don’t want you. You get out. You are horrid. You just can’t stay”. That’s one way. Another is to say that, “Perhaps you know I think I am catching here on the Vishuddhi, or are you catching?” So prepare a proper seat for him in your heart. If you offer a seat in your heart, you see, half of these problems will disappear because he’ll have confidence that he has ? because he will feel that at last he has found out someone who understands. So, the preparation should be more on this side, not on the other side of anybody who comes in, give him a punch, just like this. You must have seen these boxers have a punch in the house, you see, and any time they are passing by they just try to – I am sorry. So, and if they are intellectuals then they will try such punches which will be very subtle and intelligent. But a little bit, you see, put a little what we call a, in Indian language, a Phuljhadi, you see. Just put a little of a crackle here and there. And he goes out. He finds the crackle just bursting out, you see. So, all these tricks are self-destroying because you destroy yourself sometimes. ...yourself watch your own being. That is, how much are you disciplined in Sahaja Yoga? What are you doing for Sahaja Yoga? How much you are working it out? You see, I have seen, say, in a bhoot, you see. I always play such tricks with you, which I must tell you, that if there is something I’ll shout and say, “All right, now what are your suggestions?” So from the suggestions I know where you are. So I immediately know what is the position here, you see. I’ll take all the suggestions from you. Of course I do. But how much I agree...?..., that only God knows, you see. But, so the suggestions come in very seriously and I find that there’s a lot of negativity. So, it’s better not to suggest too much because if you suggest maybe you are a medium of negativity. So, you first of all ascertain yourself how far you are, without feeling bad about it, because collectivity is the place where you belong to. You do not really belong to this individual being that you are. You belong to collectivity and that’s why you have to be there, and to be there you have to face your, all the time yourself and find out how far you are away from that collectivity, how far you are deciding things for yourself and not for the collectivity. You have to be very much on the alert and this is the discipline you have to pick out yourself. The trouble is, you see the discipline we, if I tell you, “Get up at four o’clock”, you may get up. If I say, “Shave off your heads”, you can shave off. If I tell you, “Shave off your eyebrows”, you will shave off. If I tell you, “Just stand before Me for hours together”, you will stand on your heads for hours together. If I tell you, “You jump in the sea”, you may jump. That’s very easy discipline to do, nothing so difficult. You can do that. But if I tell you you have to be alert all the time, within yourself to see that are you in collectivity, are you doing something in collectivity, or you are doing something for yourself? Do not deceive yourself at this point because deceiving yourself means you are deceiving your collectivity. Your chances of being there which is beyond, which you have achieved. So try to do something which is congenial, helpful to collectivity. I’ve seen people, just wives talking to each other on Sahaja Yoga also. They’ll just pass a remark on someone, “Oh, he thinks he is being very clever”, you see. Now we have dropped a poison in the ocean of collectivity. Pour love, pour wisdom, pour understanding. Put your fragrance of goodness. Do things in good faith. People have faith in you and they should not be shocked by the way we are. This is the discipline one has to have, and this discipline, if you have within yourself, for that you don’t have to do anything extra-curricular or something very much hazardous. No, to be on the alert, to be on the watch upon yourself. Am I there or am I doing it just to please myself, or to please this ego of mine? Myself is all right but this is the ego that one tries to work out, and that’s why interdependence is very difficult. You see, if I tell you, “Don’t be interdependent”, then you’ll do one thing. You’ll not borrow money, say, from others. That’s very easy. You’ll not borrow money. If I say, “Return every the money that you borrowed” all right, you’ll return every money. You’ll keep all accounts perfectly. I know you can do that and you can also have, “All right you can also have, all right you pay one ‘P’ all right, well one ‘P’ for one and a half – what do you call – slice of bread, to buy. You can do that. That you have done already and that’s not difficult for human beings. Equal distribution, absolutely perfect, honesty about it is possible. That one can do is to have a complete idea of how to maintain this beauty of honesty among yourselves, you see, that you do not depend. I do not mean that interdependence. I mean much subtler interdependence. Interdependence comes in very, very easily. So, now you are sitting down here, now you know somebody is, for example, the name of the person, [Unclear: sitting with a person for a long time, just better check] somebody’s uncomfortable. You think about it. You are thinking, did you see that everybody is watching them? Are they all right? Give others a place in your place. If they are not feeling that you are thinking about their body, about their problems. Like I have seen when you love someone, you know that happens just to please him. That also not so great, just to think of that person more than yourself. Then you detach yourself from your ego. Have you been kind? Like this, there are so many things. In the night, have they got water to drink? All right, then you put a little water for them. All these small, small things you think of when you start loving. Oh, I am going to meet such and such a man. Now should I take something that person would like to have? A little thing, not much. This kind of feeling we should have all the time for others. Then interdependence is there. Then you will be amazed that the other person will depend on you entirely, entirely. Is not the independence of earning or money or anything that is important to such a person. If you can think that much for another person, that person can give everything to you and will entirely depend upon you. Do you know I entirely depend upon you? Do you know that, that My complete existence is there because of Sahaja Yoga? Otherwise I would be finished at this moment. Perhaps you do not know it. I would not exist in this world if you people gave Me up. Is a fact which I must accept and which you must also agree. Because see now, if you do not take My vibrations, they will all be here frozen. I would become a frozen mummy, only emitting vibrations, that’s all. I won’t be speaking. It happens now. See, the left nabhi is just now, I am catching, is coming hard. You have to take out My vibrations. If you do not take My vibrations I am not going to exist any more as a human being walking, you see. And as something else maybe, but not as a human being as you see. I’ll be just frozen. If you do that to Me imagine how much I should owe to you. I mean, My existence is because of you. It is. Perhaps you do not know it. Do you know that I am here on this earth only because of you? Otherwise I would have been very nicely somewhere else. [Sounds like: tough luck] But then also you must know that as I depend on you, you also depend upon Me, but more I depend on your collectivity. The moment you start becoming unaware of your collectivity, immediately cancer starts going in My body. I get physical troubles because of that. So the collectivity is not what you think of yourself, to be something great. It’s not that you are above everything and you are this and you are that. How much you have done to enhance the collectivity of understanding, of love. Because say if My, this hand doesn’t know this hand, now what do I do? If we are a living body, just think of it. I mean, if I do not know my one eye to another eye, if there’s no connection, what will happen to it? And when you do all this it becomes a funny personality out of Me, you see. I don’t know how to manage Myself. So, to sustain this interdependence you must learn to depend on each other. Now coming to the practical side of it I’ve already told you to think all the time of another person in a loving manner, not in a criticizing manner, not seeing to the loopholes of a person. See your loopholes and another person’s greatness. I mean, some people are real, I tell you, what we call drags, dragging down. Some people are like that. But to drag you is boredom you know sometimes, because they’ll talk about you, “Oh, this happened. Then my mother said so. Then my father said so. My grandfather said so. Then my aunty said so. I was coming – there was a seeker who did this and all round yourself. Is very boring! Just thinking about yourself, then you are not thinking of collectivity. But a person who is collective is the most interesting person. The one who is not that way, he may think himself to be something great, so let him think, but he’s not interesting, extremely boring and people run away from such a person. The reason is he’s not collective. He’s not auspicious. So, to become collective you have to watch yourself like a [unclear sounds like : pussycat]. Now I would say for that, collective meditation is very important, which you have already experimented without finding there, those who have done it up to a point .......?.....and collective thinking. Now when ten people think together and are thinking collectively, it should move like one force. Even the water which is a dead thing for all that, it runs towards the slope, isn’t it? Or does some water run upward? I mean, it has one Swabhava. It has one style of thinking. In the same way Sahaja Yogis all must run towards God, towards Sahaja Yoga, towards collectivity. How can they run upwards? There is no individual working on this point. Once you start doing that way you are doing just the opposite of what you should be doing. Then they’ll say, “Mother why we are not good? We have been working for so many days. It doesn’t work out.” This is the problem. If you are in the collectivity, even if you are not so good, you will be pulled in to it. Now what happens, it’s such a vicious circle that when you are not all right, you will always oppose others and create some sort of a silly situation, or you’ll bring out silly propositions or something like that you see, like a boulder inside the flowing waters. [Sounds like: so we find a little water]. And the suggestions from negative people will be always negative. So if there is negativity within us better to keep quiet. That is the biggest thing, to work it out, negativity. Better to keep quiet if you have negativity within you. Better to keep quiet. Try to remove the negativity. Because if you do not try to do that they act as mediums and they can use you as mediums and you become a medium of Satan instead of God. There you become very collective really. There’s a big fraternity among them. But after realization the drive should be much more that you can resolve because there’s lots of mud sticking on the lotus which has come up. But when the lotus is high enough the fragrance is emitted. All the lotus in the beautiful pond emit the same fragrance and intensify. Nobody goes and says that the fragrance is from one lotus. The whole lake is named after [Unclear] imagine. The lake becomes smaller after the lotus flowers. That kind of fragrance of love should grow between you and such excitement and joy should be among yourselves, then the collectivity. Now for that you must know that you have to have self-preservation..?... It’s very important. Like you say you are ten Sahaja Yogis here....?..., all right? So you must have the style of lotuses and you must have sense of self-preservation against other things. Now see somebody outside has come in. Then you all should immediately come together and form a nice club of your own, you see. Then the other person comes in. With all this force he will be dragged into it. But as soon as he says anything against anyone of you, you all jump on him. Then he will know they are all one. But normally you will find if somebody comes in like that possibly you may join the other fellow who is no good, who is going to create a problem between us. There is a possibility. So remember when facing others you are all one. Among yourself you can talk but facing others you should know they are the people who are still away from us. So this is the self-preservation thing which is very important you should have, and the self-preservation in Sahaja Yoga is to be preserved. In it’s purest it is very important responsibility on you people, because future Sahaja Yogis may not see Me, but you have seen and you know what is the truth. You see, here the way we have lived a very pure ideal and pure Sahaja Yoga, absolutely above all kinds of nonsensical things. In the same way the people who are going to come after you also must think in the same way, in the same fashion. So you have to make a very pure relationship and a pure club among yourselves by which the people who are going to follow the progeny which is going to come is going to say, “This is what is being in Sahaja Yoga.” So the self-preservation also means the preservation of Sahaja Yoga in its purest form. Now I’m here a living Person. If you have any problems, you want to know God, whether it should be done or not, you can ask Me. Clarify it, but do not accept anything because Mr X, somebody told you this, Mr Y told me. Nothing of the kind, never do like that. You are – do not quote anyone else, even that person may be in Sahaja Yoga. I must warn you of this. Never confuse each other that somebody said so or another person has said so or someone said so. No, if you are doubtful ask Me. Verify it. And quote it only when you have verified it. Quote should be very important because you are the foundation stones of Sahaja Yoga and you have to be – every one of you have to be perfect so that this huge big mansion is not going to topple down because of you. There should be no weakness left in you. That’s why it is important to understand that the self- preservation, preservation of Sahaja Yoga in principles... [Only transcribed up to 28 minutes]

Conversation with Yogis. Northampton (UK), 5 June 1979. ... any dimension it must be, just think of it. Now the permutations and combinations are, as I said, are thirty-four, thirty-five, crores [Hindi word meaning 10 million] of permutations and combinations. So, I told our great mathematician, Mr Djamel, to work it out. He said, “Impossible!” And he told Me some number; up to that we can. But this is too much. How can you work it out? How many permutations and combinations there must be in thirty-five crores of your [mind; unsure] Sahaja Yogi: Three hundred and fifty million. That’s only – that’s the basic point, you see, but how many permutations and combinations out of them are active, and how they work it out? But the only thing that the human being has is to take it. You see, this is the most difficult thing. Even if you have the best on this earth, what’s the use? If human beings are not going to turn their hands towards Me, what can I do about it? Now all these permutations and combinations are fixed and very nicely done and they work very fast. They are very busy – I have seen it – and they work all over the world, all over the universe. But this little brain here is covered in something called as Mr. E G O and it’s very difficult for these little little things to ask them to open. It’s very difficult for them. They find it impossible and it is such a funny thing going on, you see, that every time a river flows and the people have to fill the cups that have to open, either they put the cups on the other way round or they put some stones and say that, “We didn’t get anything.” So, this permutations and combinations business is so tremendous that I wonder at Myself sometimes how I speak to them, you see, to speak. You see, currently with all this going on you can imagine what must be the sense, and but for My sense of humor I would not have existed, allowed Myself to live. The amount of things I have to tolerate and the amount of [unclear] to which people come to and the way they behave, it’s fine, finding it out sometimes, and sometimes it’s the way they question Me. Then only thing I can do is to just laugh it out and use My sense of humor and be there and work it out. So this is the big problem and this problem is not so easy to solve, but some people do feel bad sometimes and they behave in a manner that makes Me know that they know about it very well and that’s why they are so frightened and they understand it very well So, now we are today going to tell you about collectivity. You must hear the first part of this – is very interesting -but I am doing the second part now. Now, collectivity is a thing, is to be understood in a much deeper way than we have thought, you see. First of all, in collectivity, when we say this body is a collective instrument made out of many cells, all right? Then what do we understand? That first thing is, in collectivity we must realize that there is interdependence. We have to depend on others. Like he has to depend on her and she is dependent upon him. But when it comes to ego not only that it separates you from each other – that’s not the only thing it does – but it teaches you not to be dependent on anyone. You have to depend on others. You are not to exploit others but you have to depend on others and others have to depend upon you first thing very much. On this subject I’ll tell you a little more. Now, for example there is one Mr X and another Mr Y who are Sahaja Yogis and X and Y have to depend on each other. Say a position like that comes up. So what should we do? We must try to find out the common point first of all. If there is a question of common point, it will not work out. So common point is – of course, you know that there is a common point between both of them – that they have been thinking and they have got it through Sahaja Yoga and that I am the person whom they think will resolve all the differences between them. So, this is one common point, but the dependence between the two is to be prepared in a country where we don’t really go near them. First of all, when we try to depend on others, have we been able to create an atmosphere of dependence? Say, supposing you know I do not want My son to stay in My house, so how will I talk to My son? I will say, “You are good for nothing. You are such a liability. You are all the time on my head and you are troubling me such a lot.” All right. Or, “You cannot earn five pounds even.” What have you taught him? He gets hurt. “All right, I will show you.” So, he goes out, digs a hole. He’ll do anything to show his mother that he can earn money, see, and that’s how he’ll work it out, isn’t it? Another thing could be, simpler way, is to just throw him out, you see, and then you should say, “Look at him,” and you are having bad relations. I mean, you have done everything that is possible to create bad relations. Now, it’s just the truth. I mean, when you work it out that way, what do you expect to happen? The simple thing is that you have bad relations with each other. I mean, it’s the whole thing is worked out bad. So what is the other thing one has to do, is to prepare a ground. Now how I would act if I want somebody to come to Sahaj, for example? I would find out what does he like to eat. What is he fond of? Or is he an intellectual? Then I should try to tell him that, “I don’t understand much or have not read much,” so that he feels all right with Me, that She’s all right. She is not an intellectual. There’s no confrontation at that point. So it’s all right. You see, intellectual is a trick, you see. I do it. So he comes in. Then when he gets realization, you see, how two people can inter-depend on each other after realization. You should see that supposing somebody is catching, all right. One way would be direct to tell, “Oh you are catching on Vishuddhi. Get out. We don’t want you. You get out. You are horrid. You just can’t stay”. That’s one way. Another is to say that, “Perhaps you know I think I am catching here on the Vishuddhi, or are you catching?” So prepare a proper seat for him in your heart. If you offer a seat in your heart, you see, half of these problems will disappear because he’ll have confidence that he has ? because he will feel that at last he has found out someone who understands. So, the preparation should be more on this side, not on the other side of anybody who comes in, give him a punch, just like this. You must have seen these boxers have a punch in the house, you see, and any time they are passing by they just try to – I am sorry. So, and if they are intellectuals then they will try such punches which will be very subtle and intelligent. But a little bit, you see, put a little what we call a, in Indian language, a Phuljhadi, you see. Just put a little of a crackle here and there. And he goes out. He finds the crackle just bursting out, you see. So, all these tricks are self-destroying because you destroy yourself sometimes. ...yourself watch your own being. That is, how much are you disciplined in Sahaja Yoga? What are you doing for Sahaja Yoga? How much you are working it out? You see, I have seen, say, in a bhoot, you see. I always play such tricks with you, which I must tell you, that if there is something I’ll shout and say, “All right, now what are your suggestions?” So from the suggestions I know where you are. So I immediately know what is the position here, you see. I’ll take all the suggestions from you. Of course I do. But how much I agree...?..., that only God knows, you see. But, so the suggestions come in very seriously and I find that there’s a lot of negativity. So, it’s better not to suggest too much because if you suggest maybe you are a medium of negativity. So, you first of all ascertain yourself how far you are, without feeling bad about it, because collectivity is the place where you belong to. You do not really belong to this individual being that you are. You belong to collectivity and that’s why you have to be there, and to be there you have to face your, all the time yourself and find out how far you are away from that collectivity, how far you are deciding things for yourself and not for the collectivity. You have to be very much on the alert and this is the discipline you have to pick out yourself. The trouble is, you see the discipline we, if I tell you, “Get up at four o’clock”, you may get up. If I say, “Shave off your heads”, you can shave off. If I tell you, “Shave off your eyebrows”, you will shave off. If I tell you, “Just stand before Me for hours together”, you will stand on your heads for hours together. If I tell you, “You jump in the sea”, you may jump. That’s very easy discipline to do, nothing so difficult. You can do that. But if I tell you you have to be alert all the time, within yourself to see that are you in collectivity, are you doing something in collectivity, or you are doing something for yourself? Do not deceive yourself at this point because deceiving yourself means you are deceiving your collectivity. Your chances of being there which is beyond, which you have achieved. So try to do something which is congenial, helpful to collectivity. I’ve seen people, just wives talking to each other on Sahaja Yoga also. They’ll just pass a remark on someone, “Oh, he thinks he is being very clever”, you see. Now we have dropped a poison in the ocean of collectivity. Pour love, pour wisdom, pour understanding. Put your fragrance of goodness. Do things in good faith. People have faith in you and they should not be shocked by the way we are. This is the discipline one has to have, and this discipline, if you have within yourself, for that you don’t have to do anything extra-curricular or something very much hazardous. No, to be on the alert, to be on the watch upon yourself. Am I there or am I doing it just to please myself, or to please this ego of mine? Myself is all right but this is the ego that one tries to work out, and that’s why interdependence is very difficult. You see, if I tell you, “Don’t be interdependent”, then you’ll do one thing. You’ll not borrow money, say, from others. That’s very easy. You’ll not borrow money. If I say, “Return every the money that you borrowed” all right, you’ll return every money. You’ll keep all accounts perfectly. I know you can do that and you can also have, “All right you can also have, all right you pay one ‘P’ all right, well one ‘P’ for one and a half – what do you call – slice of bread, to buy. You can do that. That you have done already and that’s not difficult for human beings. Equal distribution, absolutely perfect, honesty about it is possible. That one can do is to have a complete idea of how to maintain this beauty of honesty among yourselves, you see, that you do not depend. I do not mean that interdependence. I mean much subtler interdependence. Interdependence comes in very, very easily. So, now you are sitting down here, now you know somebody is, for example, the name of the person, [Unclear: sitting with a person for a long time, just better check] somebody’s uncomfortable. You think about it. You are thinking, did you see that everybody is watching them? Are they all right? Give others a place in your place. If they are not feeling that you are thinking about their body, about their problems. Like I have seen when you love someone, you know that happens just to please him. That also not so great, just to think of that person more than yourself. Then you detach yourself from your ego. Have you been kind? Like this, there are so many things. In the night, have they got water to drink? All right, then you put a little water for them. All these small, small things you think of when you start loving. Oh, I am going to meet such and such a man. Now should I take something that person would like to have? A little thing, not much. This kind of feeling we should have all the time for others. Then interdependence is there. Then you will be amazed that the other person will depend on you entirely, entirely. Is not the independence of earning or money or anything that is important to such a person. If you can think that much for another person, that person can give everything to you and will entirely depend upon you. Do you know I entirely depend upon you? Do you know that, that My complete existence is there because of Sahaja Yoga? Otherwise I would be finished at this moment. Perhaps you do not know it. I would not exist in this world if you people gave Me up. Is a fact which I must accept and which you must also agree. Because see now, if you do not take My vibrations, they will all be here frozen. I would become a frozen mummy, only emitting vibrations, that’s all. I won’t be speaking. It happens now. See, the left nabhi is just now, I am catching, is coming hard. You have to take out My vibrations. If you do not take My vibrations I am not going to exist any more as a human being walking, you see. And as something else maybe, but not as a human being as you see. I’ll be just frozen. If you do that to Me imagine how much I should owe to you. I mean, My existence is because of you. It is. Perhaps you do not know it. Do you know that I am here on this earth only because of you? Otherwise I would have been very nicely somewhere else. [Sounds like: tough luck] But then also you must know that as I depend on you, you also depend upon Me, but more I depend on your collectivity. The moment you start becoming unaware of your collectivity, immediately cancer starts going in My body. I get physical troubles because of that. So the collectivity is not what you think of yourself, to be something great. It’s not that you are above everything and you are this and you are that. How much you have done to enhance the collectivity of understanding, of love. Because say if My, this hand doesn’t know this hand, now what do I do? If we are a living body, just think of it. I mean, if I do not know my one eye to another eye, if there’s no connection, what will happen to it? And when you do all this it becomes a funny personality out of Me, you see. I don’t know how to manage Myself. So, to sustain this interdependence you must learn to depend on each other. Now coming to the practical side of it I’ve already told you to think all the time of another person in a loving manner, not in a criticizing manner, not seeing to the loopholes of a person. See your loopholes and another person’s greatness. I mean, some people are real, I tell you, what we call drags, dragging down. Some people are like that. But to drag you is boredom you know sometimes, because they’ll talk about you, “Oh, this happened. Then my mother said so. Then my father said so. My grandfather said so. Then my aunty said so. I was coming – there was a seeker who did this and all round yourself. Is very boring! Just thinking about yourself, then you are not thinking of collectivity. But a person who is collective is the most interesting person. The one who is not that way, he may think himself to be something great, so let him think, but he’s not interesting, extremely boring and people run away from such a person. The reason is he’s not collective. He’s not auspicious. So, to become collective you have to watch yourself like a [unclear sounds like : pussycat]. Now I would say for that, collective meditation is very important, which you have already experimented without finding there, those who have done it up to a point .......?.....and collective thinking. Now when ten people think together and are thinking collectively, it should move like one force. Even the water which is a dead thing for all that, it runs towards the slope, isn’t it? Or does some water run upward? I mean, it has one Swabhava. It has one style of thinking. In the same way Sahaja Yogis all must run towards God, towards Sahaja Yoga, towards collectivity. How can they run upwards? There is no individual working on this point. Once you start doing that way you are doing just the opposite of what you should be doing. Then they’ll say, “Mother why we are not good? We have been working for so many days. It doesn’t work out.” This is the problem. If you are in the collectivity, even if you are not so good, you will be pulled in to it. Now what happens, it’s such a vicious circle that when you are not all right, you will always oppose others and create some sort of a silly situation, or you’ll bring out silly propositions or something like that you see, like a boulder inside the flowing waters. [Sounds like: so we find a little water]. And the suggestions from negative people will be always negative. So if there is negativity within us better to keep quiet. That is the biggest thing, to work it out, negativity. Better to keep quiet if you have negativity within you. Better to keep quiet. Try to remove the negativity. Because if you do not try to do that they act as mediums and they can use you as mediums and you become a medium of Satan instead of God. There you become very collective really. There’s a big fraternity among them. But after realization the drive should be much more that you can resolve because there’s lots of mud sticking on the lotus which has come up. But when the lotus is high enough the fragrance is emitted. All the lotus in the beautiful pond emit the same fragrance and intensify. Nobody goes and says that the fragrance is from one lotus. The whole lake is named after [Unclear] imagine. The lake becomes smaller after the lotus flowers. That kind of fragrance of love should grow between you and such excitement and joy should be among yourselves, then the collectivity. Now for that you must know that you have to have self-preservation..?... It’s very important. Like you say you are ten Sahaja Yogis here....?..., all right? So you must have the style of lotuses and you must have sense of self-preservation against other things. Now see somebody outside has come in. Then you all should immediately come together and form a nice club of your own, you see. Then the other person comes in. With all this force he will be dragged into it. But as soon as he says anything against anyone of you, you all jump on him. Then he will know they are all one. But normally you will find if somebody comes in like that possibly you may join the other fellow who is no good, who is going to create a problem between us. There is a possibility. So remember when facing others you are all one. Among yourself you can talk but facing others you should know they are the people who are still away from us. So this is the self-preservation thing which is very important you should have, and the self-preservation in Sahaja Yoga is to be preserved. In it’s purest it is very important responsibility on you people, because future Sahaja Yogis may not see Me, but you have seen and you know what is the truth. You see, here the way we have lived a very pure ideal and pure Sahaja Yoga, absolutely above all kinds of nonsensical things. In the same way the people who are going to come after you also must think in the same way, in the same fashion. So you have to make a very pure relationship and a pure club among yourselves by which the people who are going to follow the progeny which is going to come is going to say, “This is what is being in Sahaja Yoga.” So the self-preservation also means the preservation of Sahaja Yoga in its purest form. Now I’m here a living Person. If you have any problems, you want to know God, whether it should be done or not, you can ask Me. Clarify it, but do not accept anything because Mr X, somebody told you this, Mr Y told me. Nothing of the kind, never do like that. You are – do not quote anyone else, even that person may be in Sahaja Yoga. I must warn you of this. Never confuse each other that somebody said so or another person has said so or someone said so. No, if you are doubtful ask Me. Verify it. And quote it only when you have verified it. Quote should be very important because you are the foundation stones of Sahaja Yoga and you have to be – every one of you have to be perfect so that this huge big mansion is not going to topple down because of you. There should be no weakness left in you. That’s why it is important to understand that the self- preservation, preservation of Sahaja Yoga in principles... [Only transcribed up to 28 minutes]

6/8/1979

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis Day 1 (transcribed first 17minutes)

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Maria's House. Northampton (UK), 8 June 1979. (transcribed first 17minutes) Shri Mataji: You should, because it’s on the supraconscious, the future. He knows from the future, you see the spirits come and tell you. Yogi: And he knew things what was going to happen and why those things happening. Will be then able to manipulate [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: You see this is the power of the spirits coming on him, that he doesn’t know. The same spirit [UNCLEAR] bone by bone [UNCLEAR] He doesn’t know what he has done. He is not going to be perfect. All of them how you can say [UNCLEAR] Yogi: I don’t think he realizes. He lost that realization to realize the possibilities. [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: You see something like this thing goes in your head. The action. That’s the advantage. That’s a very good advantage [UNCLEAR] and then you just don’t get a response, [UNCLEAR] just don’t understand [UNCLEAR]. Yogi: According to the Quran no guru, no teacher can be either be involved in [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Not being involved. Yogis talking Shri Mataji: Of course not. You see how can be Yogis talking Shri Mataji: You see actually I [UNCLEAR] you get detached in a sense, you become the personality, what a detached personality. They don’t know what faith is. They become famous is a different part. But you don’t know what is famous. Just don’t care, just don’t care. the person who is truthful also understands. But the one who is realized, the one who is going to be the guru or is the guru is the one who just doesn’t care for these things. It doesn’t come into him. I give you an example [UNCLEAR] there was a rich man and his sister was down with cancer, [UNCLEAR] I give you so much money, I’ll buy you an Ashram, [UNCLEAR] He said that my wife is possessed. And she is such and such and if she says, my wife, [UNCLEAR] you see some or other try to [UNCLEAR] Very seriously She is [UNCLEAR] they took her to the hospital and got cured. Very sweet and she was herself [UNCLEAR] She came on a plane. Such a [UNCLEAR] a good person, not that Mark was bad, he was also a good person, but some dirty woman must have come in-between and you have such funny ideas you must change your wifes like American people have you must change your fridge, and you must change your this, you must change your wife, change is the sign according to them a sign of [UNCLEAR] whatever it is. So I think something like that, but it is very serious allegation about her. She was such a fine person. So and then she didn’t talk about and he came to see me and he said: “Mother what do you think about her?” I said, “She is one of the finest American woman I know. She is a very devoted wife, and don’t call any other, has a power on her own and I will not touch her by back you think.” Mother you think she is not possessed? I said, “Not at all.” [UNCLEAR] What about cancer? I said, She can’t. There’s no possibility. She is a very devoted wife, a very nice person and she loves you. And if you try to have a divorce you will be a very miserable person. Just don’t know. It is not at all for you, as a Mother I am telling you she is my daughter and I am proud of her. His face went down. So I said, you see. [UNCLEAR] When I went to Chandigarh, Mother you have no pragmatic approach, what pragmatic, he couldn’t understand a word. He said it should be practical, what practical? Why did you say that, how come? Chandigarh. Do you know, if there is an innocent person and if you grant an innocent person like this, let alone me, I would never do that, even if you do that it is a very great sin which you cannot fill up by giving realization to [UNCLEAR]. Now will you do it? After all he is an Indian man, you see, we are going up, I am going up, if she is a woman like that, what Mataji says, [UNCLEAR]. Like that, the whole thing is fizzling down. Doesn’t matter. What are we going to do with these buildings? You have to have your own created. Temples are to be built of human beings and not of houses, which are going to crumble down. We have to put living images not things by which people are impressed for time being and then when you die they say that they never take their names. Such a person cannot, just you see. Just does not bother. See about fame. What is fame? It’s nonsense. What is a fame? What is the thing just tell me? I don’t never understand. What is fame, means what, you see. If it means somebody says, oh you are great, run away from that person. Because you see they maybe wanted something out of you. Normally none of the incarnations got fame. They only got stones and restrictions. None of them got. But there is only one way in Sahaja Yoga is that, because you are going to get actualization, you are going to get the experience of it. That’s why in your heart God is there to reside. This is the way. If you call it this way, I accept that. If that sort of a fame you feel. If you feel now learning from the person. It’s the fame which comes out of auspiciousness. The auspiciousness is a thing we say personality by which you improve in your being, every way, success, not this worldly success, but success that is satisfying, Shri (???) means the grace that is beautifying, such a person is auspicious. Such a person will have a kind of a fame which will be different from [UNCLEAR] styles. The world is going to change. They are not going to have Lord Byron for a statue. No they are not. Or Wellington [UNCLEAR] we are going to have something else. Now people want to change, their awareness is going to change completely. They are going to care for people who have that eternal essence in them. They are not going to bother Yogi: I think, talking about these false gurus I don’t understand one thing that scene against the holy spirit all the worst in all the worst [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: It’s very simple to understand. Supposing somebody beats you, you wouldn’t mind, but somebody beats me, will you be able to detain it in your heart? The same way Christ had said, It’s alright if you insult me, but if you insult my Mother [UNCLEAR] force. There are 11 powers he has got by which he [UNCLEAR] to all such people It’s very simple to understand. You are not to insult the Mother of Christ, it’s very dangerous. That’s why he never told anybody that she was the Holy Spirit. She was the Holy Ghost. That’s why she didn’t say it, because that was a protective thing. She was. Ask a question [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Maria are you busy with this whole thing? Maria: I just finished. Shri Mataji: She is so sweet. She is working so hard. Will you please go and help her Yogi: It’s very logical, I mean. If he is the son and if he is the son of God, then he must be God. I wonder why he couldn’t see that you know. Shri Mataji: You see that’s the trouble. They can see somethings which you cannot sees. This is maya. [UNCLEAR] You see something which does not exist. And you do not see that is exists, its illusion. It’s the illusion. If you can get, you see, into that state from where you see the illusion you just enjoy, know the illusion. Ahh Just now as you are laughing at yourself its nice. [UNCLEAR] isn’t it. It’s a big joke [Shri Mataji laughing] I was also there, Yogi: Yes, this is how the whole of maya is, till you got beyond Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR] you see, you are the crucified ones. How to expose them, you see this is the trick of the maya if you understand. [UNCLEAR] See you cannot treat them like that you see, because they have entered into your heads. So now how do I do it? Is to put you there. You go into that. You see them and then get out of it and it would be with a greater force and greater humility from these horrible gurus. Yogi: [UNCLEAR] said something very funny when we were in September, we were there. He was talking about the story about a Brahmin who had rice. He went to the king’s palace, on his way out he stole some jewelry and they couldn’t understand why he stole the jewelry. Because he was a saint who stole the jewelry. They discovered eventually that the food they have eaten came from the village of thieves. He returned the jewelry. Shri Mataji: What about him doing that the same? Yogi: and then he said. He said the story looking at me and afterwards he walked out, because we just 2 hours before discussing this question the money they owe us, what they have done. He said to me as he walked out, “You see. It was any 2 months later he was apologizing for his own deeds? He then said .. the people in this room will gonna bring down the movement. Shri Mataji: No no no, [UNCLEAR] Not that day, he was trying to prove, to say these things and all that. Just to show that I know what you are talking about. He is a thief. And certifying, see, I can, the dictionary I don’t understand what to say, I have no words to say what sort of a man he is. He should really get somebody from Lucknow. They will nice abuses which they use for such people. You know what I can write to someone, write about 21 of them to send him back, this is this, this is this, you are. This is the mantra you say about yourself, I am this, I am that. You know, I will tell you, I cannot image what sort of a man he is. We had one like that. [UNCLEAR] Once we had a very great swindler, great swindler. His name was Dharampet. [UNCLEAR] but he met Jawaharlal Nehru in America and in these matters our Prime Minister was very nice. He was very fond of people who were properly dressed and very you see English manner and spoke good English and we had all the English. I mean he was Cambridge [UNCLEAR]. They should say superb. So that kind of a thing our families was very much interested. So this fellow, went and told him that, ‘I am doctor, I am this, English and all, and also our prime minister, they say so, I don’t know, [UNCLEAR] he could officiated [UNCLEAR]. His wife was very good looking woman as they say. I have not seen her. I have seen this horrible fellow and he managed him somehow. And then he went back to India. That time I’m telling you that I am gone to received my husband at the airport. And you know for us they allowed us inside the lounge and we came out. And I saw this man with a big hat. I asked my husband, who is this man? Why do you want to know? I said, but you tell me who is this man. He said, why are you so childish? I said ‘I am not childish, I am anxious. So he said, alright I tell you his name. His name is [UNCLEAR]. What is he doing there? Why do you want to know about him? Of all the persons why him. I said because [UNCLEAR] Really? Oh God, is he connected with you? He said, ‘Very much’. ‘How’? He is coming for shipping. Then you know what happened this fellow went to Jwala Neru and his wife would have a breakfast with him and she used to order this and that. Jwalaji, as I told you, was a very nice person and he never understood that this fellow is [UNCLEAR]. Then he was given from that food, can you imagine, 65 karos of [UNCLEAR] But my husband as soon as the proposal has came he put on [UNCLEAR] because I was after his life. They transferred him and they gave him a bigger post and they said you can become chairman of the shipping corporation. And they gave him 65 lakhs of Rupees. And the parlament passed a great prime minister. 65 karos, [UNCLEAR] and then he bought ships he cheated all the big ship yards, never paid them any money. He ordered the ships, he talked to the [UNCLEAR] and every time he took to the prime minister there and another minister the deputy prime minister who is nowadays our prime minister the great fellow, the one who brings the English. He took him there and this fellow, this Desi was the one who was to inaugurate and big this thing and naturally you see the poor people [UNCLEAR] couldn’t say anything. Because the prime minister, deputy prime minister coming in, garland him, this that and he is going to launch the ship. They launched the ship and this fellow never gave them the money. The ship was lost permanently, and they had no way occur collectivity. And these are the two great people of our country. Can you imagine, the one who is to be the prime minister and the one who [UNCLEAR] and they gave him 65 crore of Rupees. Now, this happened and then suddenly the whole thing started to come up just like this you see and then one man he found it out. And he leaked it. The government, then he leaked it to the police and all that and then my husband was in Japan and he suddenly came. I said, ‘How?’ Then they told him that this man, supposed to have killed his first wife, took her money and then come to India and this and that and that and that and because of this thing started off they found out also about shipping. And these two great giants of our country, what should I call them, you see. They were saying, you see, ‘don’t have that The police is very bad, don’t harass them. They are supporting them, these two. But they were simple. They didn’t take any money from him as such. But then this man was absolutely caught and then he one day just ran away from them to some place in Panama from where you don’t have any extradition. The whole thing was hashed out and all those ships were frozen, all these money was frozen, still he managed to take away 4 crore of rupees. This best part of it, my husband says very seriously to me , ‘You know the 250 Rupees you have to pay for registration that also that thug did not pay. Even that he did not pay and our great people like Jawala Nehru and Monarchie Bhai [spelling?] are great supporters of him. You shouldn’t feel bad of what has happened. [Shri Mataji laughing] You see. It is that. And then he was arrested. He came to London [UNCLEAR] he was telling stories after stories. Jawalaji had died by then. You see. [UNCLEAR] Did such a foolish thing. If you see his old age, looks like aged person. And then this case started in London. And then he said, another drama he played, he said you see these people are all against Jawalaji, to take bad name. vand the judge was listening to him. He just said, ‘Now, have you finished? Now I see that you are a crook of the first quarters and you are a thug and you are this and you are that. And now will you shut up!’ That’s what they say. I said that’s the [UNCLEAR] And he said, ‘You take two running jumps and go to hell!’ These are the words he used. And then he was in jail. He came out of jail and Indira Ghandi came, another great lady behind the prime minister. She saw to it that he goes out of [UNCLEAR]. Now he is out. So are we not sufficiently luted? You want more examples? [Shri Mataji laughing] It’s a fact, you see. Imagine people like that. And I would not blame Jawala for this, because he had such a big secretariat with the best, the cream of our country, most intelligent people. All the intelligence of India was behind this and they all did, good faith, the good faith part. And none of them got a single pie. Hello, how are you? Yes yes, very nice children they are. Come along, Come along, Come along, I’ve been just waiting for you to come down here. Come along, come along, sit down, sit down, sit down. Good, Aha, the force has come. You see the vibrations. Just see the vibrations. All of them, how beautiful, all are realized. Just look at these children. Beautiful they are. Can you remove this and they can sit comfortably. This lady [UNCLEAR] Look at the, Maria who are they. [Maria talking unclear. ] Good, you said there will be only 10 people. Maria you said there will be only 10 people Maria: Yeah I thought so. Shri Mataji: Good. And the great people have come. These are great people. What’s your name? You must tell your name. Yogis laughing What’s your name? See the eyes, sparkling, look at this see beautiful they are, aren’t they. Just put your hands like this, lets see if the cool breeze, alright? Just like this, she is born realized. They speak Hindi. What language they speak? Yogini: Gujarati. Shri Mataji: Gujarati. Thaṇḍī lāgē chē. All of them just see the vibrations. Can you feel that? Tremendous. [UNCLEAR] Hello. See that. I mean this is what it is. Can you see, can you feel that? Can you feel the vibrations? Now let’s just see who is great. They do the job for me. I don’t have to say anything. Please put your hands also like this, all of you, just like this. It’s so simple. See that, you feel some cool? In the hand? Yes, cool. Are you feeling alright there, all of you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? See are you feeling? See you have to be great people to be the Mother of such great children, they are great children. And they selected you as their Mother. There must be some reason for it. Beautiful. It’s beautiful. Open that window, that window is better. You open that one. It’s good, from where did you come? Oh I didn’t see, [UNCLEAR] that’s another one born realized. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Yogi: [UNCLEAR] Good See, have more of it and more of it. Let it go inside, absolutely. They got cold, got cold, nice [UNCLEAR]. Nice, it’s beautiful. See you already got it in the hand. Why should you worry? So many children are born in this country. Are you fine? Better now, feeling better, better now? The best thing is you must I know the know-how. Otherwise you don’t have to believe in it. Why should you believe anyone who doesn’t tell you the know-how. They call it science. Do you have any knowledge of science about you don’t have to know-how? In Sahaja Yoga even children, everything. Good. [UNCLEAR] Maria house is blessed many times. Isn’t it. It’s beautiful. Beautiful children. Better now. [UNCLEAR] Why don’t you sit down Bala? The chair people can go back. You see. Then others can sit in-between. All those who are occupying chairs should go to the back, better idea so that those who sit in front can see. Pushed a little bit this side Hallo, come along. We had a very nice session of great laughter. Something like talking about Charlie Chaplin. [Yogis talking] I think you should put these chairs down or back so that they can see. You are alright, sit. [Yogis talking] They have been having a big laughter. [Yogis talking] Come come come come [Yogis talking] Alright. They are never late, can you sit on the ground? [Yogis talking] So all the forum is complete? All of them? [UNCLEAR] They have brought the real force, you see all of them. Yes they have brought [UNCLEAR]. Just sit like this with the hands, follow me. [Yogis talking] Are you feeling the cool breeze? Good. Got it already. See it’s so simple. What about you? Just see that. Just see. What about you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Not yet. You will know if it is there. No sort of, you will feel everything. We were just laughing about all the things, how they have cheated all of us, and all that. [Shri Mataji laughing] Oh God, and now we know. Now we have to decide and plan out how [UNCLEAR] all of them. So it’s a plan we have to work it out. [UNCLEAR] It has to settle down, an experience which needs to be settled down. The Kundalini rises at the first shoot. There is no, there is a problem, I would say that, as I have told you before. I couldn’t give realization [UNCLEAR] at all, wether foreigners nor Indians. There is something special about you, that your own Motherland, you see, that power. It is spontaneous, it is very forceful and it does happen. But then it settles back, in a sense it has to look after all the centers and all the problems you are having. So it comes down. Then you start thinking about it, that’s the point where you are at fault. You cannot think about it. You didn’t get it by thinking. This one thing you must know that you did not get it by thinking. You got it because it has to happen. So if you think about it, it will slow down. You cannot think about it. It is love. How can you think about love? It’s not science. Just now if you watch your eye, if you watch yourself. You are beyond thoughts. Most of the time, there is no thought. Why? You done it. Are you too close to that? Find it too hot? You can put it off, I think, just a light, is it? Better? Are you feeling the cool breeze nicely? Good. So lets talk of something nice now. Let’s talk something about the light. We talked about [UNCLEAR] too much. [Yogis talking] What did you say, she has? [Yogini talking] You got Rama’s Mantra. Catch in the right heart, you can also feel it. The catch is on this. This is Rama’s chakra. I will tell you about this. [Yogis talking] So I will have to tell you about ourselves, what are we. Actually we know so little about ourselves. This ignorance is responsible for this kind of a problem that you all have faced, because you are so ignorant about it. And the reason is the knowledge about what I am going to tell you, you can only have when you are a realized soul. Without that one cannot talk about that, one cannot explain it to you. Because it is too fantastic. It’s so fantastic that you cannot believe it and you cannot except it. And that’s why it is not for human mind to conceive it. It goes beyond. If I say that there is God’s Divine power which is the most dynamic power, which is the only power that guides this creation, that coordinates everything, that looks after us, and that has made us human being. You won’t believe it, that there is such a power of love. All that you see other things is absolutely false. It’s just a reflection, is not the mirror. And this power has entered into every atom, every molecule and can control all that. We see it every day those things but we take it for granted. Like we see the flowers suddenly becoming the fruits. How would they become? A mango tree will give you mangoes, i won’t give you roses. How does it happen? If you see even in chemistry elements that are created on this earth have a regular planning about it. They are divided in to exactly 8 divisions. Now how all this happens, we never think about it. We take it for granted, we try to find out what we see, what it is, and then we say oh we are great scientists. But you cannot say how it works. Even if you take a sulfur dioxide, an ordinary atom of sulfur dioxide, The sulfur atom is on top and there are two oxigen. If you see it under microscope you can find out that it pulsates. And there is a kind of vibration that is passing between these atoms. And these vibrations are of three types. Unequal, equal, similar all sorts and who does that? And how, why. That certain act like this and certain like this. Even the matter which is a dead thing, which we do not think is capable of having an energy in it. That’s what we used to think. Now of course you have changed your ideas about that. That too has such a beautiful arrangement. Even up to the molecule state, up to the atom state you can see how it is mathematically arranged, the protons and the neutrons around. It is just to see and wondering. And when you see it in the nature and these elements there atoms then you see later on when you start watching something much more complex that is a living cell with a carbon coming into it. We just take it for granted. We never bother. From where is this carbon coming and how this carbon combination life came. We just take ourselves also for granted as if we are great kings and that whatever we have got our human life is our own, you see sort of thing. And thinking that if we have this human body is our special right to have it. Even this eye of ours, if you see, is such a complex camera, how it works, instantaneously, how it captures. Is something beyond our comprehension. So vindicated [not sure about this word], we don’t see, its alright we take it for granted. That’s the way human beings live with it. If you cannot cope with the thing, what we do is to accept it for granted. That’s a sensible thing to do. In the same way nature has made you specially in such a manner that you cannot hear certain frequencies. You can only hear certain frequencies. You are created with such beautiful adaptations, nature and surrounding. This Earth is moving with such a tremendous speed, you do not feel. Spinning around so fast you cannot feel. We take all these for granted and we think we are human beings. But why are you human beings? Why have you become human beings? What can you find out, what did you find out so far, whatever you can see, whatever is absolutely fracture that you have found out. You have not been able to find out why these thing happened and how these thing happened. How are you going to find out about such a complex thing that is a human being. You have become a human being without doing anything about it. And what are you going to do? For getting that awareness by which you are going to know yourself, nothing, nothing whatsoever. On the contrary effort human beings put, because they have a sense that they can put in effort. But you reach a certain stage later on that you are really working out, you are just sitting down very nicely, the whole thing is working out. Say for example there is a relay in London about some programs in the TV. Now it’s all in the atmosphere, you don’t see. And suddenly you start your TV you get it. What effort have you put in? It was all build-in there. And it was all, whatever was done on the other hand was also done by somebody. You have just put on the switch and you get pictures, which you do not see normally on the walls nowhere, but suddenly you get them. They are there, exist. But you believe into it, because this you see with your own eyes. It is an actual thing, that’s why you believe into it. And that’s why you must believe into it when it’s an actual thing. So we come to that position where we understand that if anyone talks about higher life, about the power beyond this then we must have actualization of it. We must feel it. At this point there is a problem because it is easy to talk about peace. Like there is a higher life, there is God, and this and his power working and all that. All this lecture you can hear from many people. Even actualization of it you see, they may say that jump like a frog is actualization. Yes we had people like that. You know in one of my lectures one gentleman was sitting both his feet towards me. I said, it’s alright for me but I don’t know what is going to happen to this gentleman, you see. Then one of the boys went and said, ‘You are not suppose to sit like this towards Mother’. He said, ‘You see, I am sorry but if I sit in any other form, I cannot sit and start jumping like a frog’. So I said, ‘How do you think that this happens?’ ‘It happens every time and if I do it now it will start, like that.’ So I said, ‘But why this is happen?’ Doesn’t matter, Kundalini has a reason, I am a self-realized person. ‘Who has told you this?’ He took out a big book like that, you wont belief such a big book and he showed me, written down there ‘When Kundalini rises you start jumping like a frog’. Who is this gentleman, this is some Acharia Brahma some sort of a name, such a big name you see and horrible person’s photograph on the thing. Such a big book and this fellow is carrying on his head all the time jumping like a frog. And he says, that yes you have to jump like a frog. Why? I asked him. Now when you are going to evolve are you going to become a frog or a monkey, what are you going to be, this is first thing. You can use your brains for this to understand what to expect, you see. You are not going to become like monkeys or pigs or even lions. You are already the highest and you have to be something higher. So that will sit out. Then the fellow says, another one, who came to me, and he says, ‘The best was we had one frog warming up [UNCLEAR] This is David, this is our Sahaja Yogi, very sweet otherwise poor thing. He came yesterday and I said, what happen David, what where you doing like this and why did you do all these things after coming to Sahaja Yoga. He said, there must be some devil on me, on supra conscious level. But he said Mother, he was so subtle, one of the subtlest one you should understand, that he told me, that he was this and this and that you will give me realization. He came in my ears and told me, can you imagine to that extend it was. And so he believed in that kind of a spirit and he was telling all the time. But I said, for telling you why should you use any spirit? You can read it in Time Out. Use your brains. Then we have another one, where we think we can purchase in the market. There are courses [UNCLEAR] three weeks course, three years course for sharing of all your property. So we go in, you see, for that. Then all such things one must understand cannot be anywhere near reality. So what should we expect, what should be the reality. What we call of knowledge of self. First science has given a certain thing which we should try to understand. And if you understand through science you can understand that. Science has given us an understanding that there is a power which we cannot comprehend through our rationality. Even a person like Einstein, said, ‘I could not find the theory of relativity in the laboratories. I was tired, i was laying down and I was playing soap bubbles and suddenly the whole theory of relativity dawned upon him. Because he was a realized soul. So it has not come from the [UNCLEAR] these people themselves are saying. So whatever knowledge has come to us, has not come through so-called scientific research but through the grace of some power. Science cannot explain many things. For example, the science [Shri Mataji talking to Yogis] For example they cannot say why so many things happened in the human body. For example, it is said that any foreign body that enters in the system creates a situation by which the body tries to throw it out. But it’s only the fetus which is retained in the womb, nurtured and looked after and thrown away at the time, when the thing absolutely mature. So there is somebody who thinks about it. Then there are two chemicals, chemicals there are adrenalin and [UNCLEAR] which are secreted in our being at different points. And they cannot explain how these ordinary chemicals sometimes augment and constrict and sometimes [UNCLEAR] at different times. They cannot explain it. So they will say, they are honest. They say the mode of action of these chemicals in the human body cannot be explained. They behave differently from their own nature, so Baba, from their own nature. There are many such things which I can throw up to you and show you, that man reaches a point a various things that there is something else which takes the decisions. Now when you reach that stage, then you start thinking, that through science we feel that there is something that we cannot explain and that rationality cannot take it up there. So there must be some answer to it. The answer comes from psychology. I would say Jung was one of the greatest psychologist ever. The oppose Freud, because Freud you know was a horrible psychologist. He was a fellow, who was treating all kinds of abnormal things. He never treated normal things. So he got possessed by that. And he started behaving abnormal. Himself was a very abnormal person, he had very abnormal relationships, he was really absurd, his own lifetime. And he had a very bad death, he had cancer, he died . But still all of the western world worships him. They never see what he achieved in his own lifetime, what sort of a person he was, what was his relationship with other people and how really he was very anxious always taking pills and he died of terrible cancer and in a very rigid condition he died. While Jung, in his old age he got his realization and he was of a very different nature and when he died he used to look, he was looking like a flower. But people do not see all that. They just see what he writes. And because it’s so sad to listen to Freud, I don’t know why it suits them, actually it should not normally. So Mr. Freud has come up. You will find out that this great man has done so many experiment with thousands of people and has established, and has established that there are forces beyond us, which control, and the forces beyond us which control us. He called them as universal unconscious. Unconscious because they are not in our conscious mind. And he called them as, also as. You see actually he did not know how to name it so he said that, he has said it, it is the Mother’s force, it is a motherly force. Very clearly he said that. And he studied also Indian literature and all that and he has developed some thought on Shakti path also. He has used the word Shakti for the universal unconscious. But still he was just a realized soul. There was no mother to tell him all about it what it was. So he couldn’t indicate and tell you that there is a universal unconscious which is guiding you. He experimented with people with their dreams. There is a very famous dream, which he interpreted, about a man who would always dreams that he has to bow to his son. His son is sitting on a pedestal and he has to bow to his son. The son might be a realized soul. So he came to him and he said ‘I don’t know why I get such a dream.’ So Jung asked, ‘what is your relationship with your son?’ He said, ‘Very very bad’. I say, ‘Why’ ‘You see his mother is dead and I married again and my wife is very angry with him and I really don’t know how to manage it. The relationship has gone very bad.’ He said, ‘The unconscious is telling you that you must bow to him. He is of a higher awareness, so you must bow to him. It is giving you a balance.’ There was another girl who came to him with a dream, just putting two dreams together I am telling you, he said that, ‘I see my mother as a witch’. So he asked the girl, ‘What is your relationship with your mother?’ She said, ‘It’s very fine, very good. She actually pampers me, she has pampered me so much that I am jeers good for nothing.’ ‘That is the thing coming to you from your unconscious to suggest that your mother is a witch who is spoiling you. And there are 1001 like that, you see there are so many volumes of books which you can read for yourself. So the psychologist said to us that the state of human awareness that it will reach to a point where it will be thoughtlessly aware. He will be aware, but there won’t be any thought. This is said by Jung who was a psychologist. So we should know what we have to expect. Now there’s another source which is very clear and very very [UNCLEAR] which we can understand are the scriptures. If you read John’s Revelation you can read about [UNCLEAR]. You will know that the cool breeze is to be expected, if you read Adi Shankaracharya because he is the one who has completely exposed the whole thing in the 6th century [ie 600s]. This knowledge was a secret knowledge before that. Because the evolutionary forces have not taken its proper course. It was kept as secret knowledge, a guarded knowledge, for very few. Only in the 6th century [ie 600s] he started exposing it and Kabira and Nanaka, all these people came out full exposition of Kundalini. The greatest work on Kundalini was in Maharashtra, where Nath, the 9 Nathas, the primordial masters they call themselves, worked out and also in other places, they also came from Punjab. There was a big report Punjab and Maharashtra and they went into the forest, meditated and religiously tried to find out the works of the Kundalini, what was the force, what was the secret within us, what was the germinating force that is going to give us this. Because only one or two were realized, whenever they talked about realization, nobody could believe them and they couldn’t understand. There is a force like that and they said, Oh we are happy with ourselves. Moreover the people who were realized, had such bad experiences of all these people, like they were beaten up, crucified, they were poisoned, I mean imagine the people. What was there to crucify Christ. I still can’t understand. So the very sensible people of this world looked at all the explanation about God and Divinity with that kind of a hostile attitude. And there was no way of changing this attitude of these people. And this hostility was expressed even by religious organization. You see, anybody who was a realized soul was thrown away from the churches, from temples, these brahmins killed them, they tortured them, the last one that we had was Shirdi Sai Nath. And if you see how the brahmins from another area from [UNCLEAR] how they tortured him you would be surprised. Not only that, they brought a snake charmer with a snake to kill and he got hold of the snake and talked to the snake, you see snake went away and bit charmer. Then he was the one who got up and saved the charmer. And he told him, don’t do all these things. He said, I would not but these people brahmins have given me. So the people who were supposed to be in charge of religion themselves crucified those saints who talked of reality. That’s how reality was completely blinded. Nobody could see it and people were get. This was the problem and that’s why somebody had to come and do this to give en-Masse realization to people. So that it becomes a common knowledge. Everything that is discovered by one person has to become the common knowledge otherwise it has no meaning. Even in the science you see, you find out about Electricity, it has a big mystery behind it, whatever it is but at a point is has to become a common knowledge. If it is not a common knowledge it is never accepted and it has no value at all. It has to become a knowledge of every human being otherwise it has no meaning. And the time has come fo you to have the actualization and to have the complete knowledge of your being. What you are, what you are going to be, what you could have been, what are the problems around. So in us is placed a germinating force. We are all built in, its like a computer, absolutely living computer within us is placed through our evolution, one by one, step by step. All these points have been properly put down in our backbone, in our brain and in the limbic area here, absolutely [UNCLEAR] and only thing one has to do is to surrender to accept it. But we surrender to all kinds of nonsensical things, but to the right person our Ego will immediately stand out, you see. If somebody has two hearts it is very easy to surrender. Or if somebody is very cunning very easy to surrender. But where do you surrender, is to the Divine force, to yourself, to your wisdom. What do you surrender is your nonsensical idiotic Ego. What do you have to surrender to God, what do have, only this known knowledge which has come to you through Ego and sometimes through these possessions which is supra conscious. —— Now for surrendering people think, how can I surrender. Now you cannot think about it, how should I surrender. Can you work it out on a paper, I will do this x + x = so much. It’s very simple, how do you love. Do you sit down and make a picture, now I’m going to love my child, so I will make a lap with this much angle and this much angle and the baby there at this angle, look at her with this angle, then I turn left right, then again I put the child this side. Do you do like that? You know how to love, don’t you? It’s built in. Surrendering is nothing but the love of God that is within you. He is within you in your heart. He is there. All the scriptures have said that and none of them are wrong or false. They might have listened to [UNCLEAR] somewhere, everybody has to play tricks. Our tantricas in India, all of these who are nowadays gurus were tantricas once upon a time, in the 6th century. They entered into all kinds of things. And the worst thing they entered into are the Vedas themselves, you see, where they declare that even I think, like Ashwamedhya [name needs to be checked] which is a very pure thing is also disoriented from sex. Even they said that the God and the Goddess, the God and His power are sex relationships. Actually they think that human beings are nothing but sex points. They have nothing else in them. Even an ameba has something more than that. But we accept them. Why? Because we are seekers. We are simple. And we are seeking, we are born in this world to seek. We have taken our birth specially at this time so seek. We have been seekers all our lives and today we want to seek. And how are we going to seek? Wherever we get a chance we had to. I know it is hard to understand it, you don’t have to do anything, just sit right. The boat is moving and it will take you to the other end. You don’t have to do anything. It was going to work out, this is how it has to mature. Now the flowers are there, they attract the bees, the bees come at the right time, they blossom at the right time and also the fruits appear at the right time. It has to mature. It has to take its own course and time. The way you are built in, you are made it has to complete itself, so the another round starts. And that’s why this [UNCLEAR] has blossomed today. That’s all, nothing more than that. It is very easy to correct. There is no problem about it. It’s very easy, because once you have [UNCLEAR] you start seeing everything very very clear, because there is no light it becomes so difficult. Have you tried climbing up steps without lights in any new house which you have not been? Three times you fall down before you get over one, like that. But if there is light, whatever type of the house ready, wherever you have been, you can just go up. Just like that. In the same way, unless and until you are enlightened, unless and until you are realized, unless and until you have that power poured into you, you cannot understand and you cannot see that how simple it is. And you are so beautifully built in your previous searches, that once you get this awakening within you, you start awakening others. Immediately and you can start it also [UNCLEAR]. But you see just now it’s such a powerful thing, that most of them have got it, so I don’t know where [UNCLEAR]. Most of them have got it. Sometimes it happens like that, whom are we going to raise now, Mother everybody is realized. [Shri Mataji laughing and Yogis talking] She’s got it too. You see that’s the problem. That it is [UNCLEAR] but you will find that it will settle down again. It has to go back because we have got chakras within us, the centers, which are being exhausted. That I would say, now this side is the left side and this side is the right side. And both sides are the sympathetic nervous system. Right side sympathetic nervous system works for your mental being and for your emotional being, mental being and for your physical being, the left side for your emotional being. In-between is the central path, is the para sys. Now the underline subtle energies that control these two, left and right, the left one is controlled by the power which we call as Mahakali swarupa, which is, when the hrim and the kleem. The hrim is the central power, ra is energy, hrim is the one which gives you evolutionary powers and also sustenance. Like carbon had its own sustenance, and gold has its own sustenance, as you have your own sustenance. Everybody has the sustenance through this central power of hrim, is the power of Mahalakshmi. And the right hand-side power is the power of Mahasaraswati. Now you shouldn’t get upset, it resides within. It has nothing with any particular community or anything, because these were found out by Saints who were meditating in India and they read Sanskrit language. That’s why they are Sadhus. Moreover these days also science has developed here, but also in India a kind of a science [UNCLEAR] and the science that was developed in India was the science of Kudalini, is the force of the germinating power, the residual power within us. And this science has seen or has actually experiment with the movement of the Kundalini when it moves, the sounds take place. And these sounds are different on different centers within us, which are seven basics, but there are 11 otherwise and there are three [Shri Mataji talking with Yogi] 350, this is the thing, 350 million, but [UNCLEAR] only with seven [UNCLEAR]. Not more than that. It’s too much of ending. Why should you [UNCLEAR]. We need not worry, now you are sitting [UNCLEAR], it’s perfectly alright. Why should you worry from where this electricity has come. And from how much of drops it must have taken to create this much of electricity. Is it from the water or from the coal or what is the history, whose bother. You just put on the light and enjoying. They are ready for you. It’s all done. In this also you must take it for granted that it’s all done for you and you have every right to happened. So this Kundalini, when it passes through all these various chakras it makes a sound. And that sound has been taken by those people in the ancient days as the phonetics, phonetic sounds for forming the Sanskrit language. That’s why Sanskrit is used for controlling the Kundalini, the movement of the Kundalini. And the centers that are within you have got a mark, a land mark of your evolution. For example, the leaders who came at different stages of your evolution where actually the incarnations of Divine power and they have left a mark within you and they exist within you at that particular center. So when you say a particular mantra that deity opens out and starts emitting energy. But still human being without realization is a limited energy. These deities have limited energies. But if he is put in connection with the All-pervading power through realization, then these deities are also [UNCLEAR]. Like if you have a car and you [UNCLEAR] petrol and the petrol shop is there, then you put the car into tension and you know what to do. But supposing there is a permanent pipe on the cap of the patrol tank, which is filling is permanently then you don’t have tensions. You are not bothered what is exhaustion. Now this exhaustion on all the centers, because these are the underlying forces of all the plexuses that we have outside. When they get exhausted, plexuses that are active in our body, our mind, our thinking, our emotional activities, all of them get exhausted and then we develop diseases of various types. Physical, mental, emotional. So to make these centers awakened is a very important thing even from a day to day life stand point, like you must fill them up, you must awaken them so that at least your health is alright, your wealth is alright, you mind is alright, and also your emotions are alright. This is the basis. But ultimately what do you get? Ultimately you get that connection which is all the time [UNCLEAR]. Not only that much like unless and until you get this connected to the main you cannot work it out. Maybe very nicely made what to do then. So the first thing is put it to the mains. When you put it to the mains then only you will realize where is the problem. Otherwise you will not know. But when you get your self realization you know your problems. [UNCLEAR] That is self realization, you know your centers how they are effected, where they are effected, what is the problem there and you get the power to cure. Of course thoughtless awareness is there, no doubt but plus that immediately. A person who Kundalini has crossed Agnya, only Agnya, may not even get realization can cure others. That’s how are are have half baked curing people. Mostly then they get possessed and they get spiritualists, you see. Their Kundalini only rises up to Agnya and some spirit comes into and he becomes spiritualist. But you people even if it crosses Agnya immediately you can start curing. When it crosses Sahasrara this point, the last point, then you enter into that area or into that subtle awareness which is all pervading. Just now we think that you are different, she is different, she is different, but there’s a thread passing through. If your attention becomes that thread then you can pass into anyone. That’s how you know yourself, you know your problems, everything, you also know ours, immediately. That is what is the collective consciousness about which Jung also has integrated. So you have to expect collective consciousness that is, is an actualization. That is that you are consciousness, your awareness get’s that dimension in actual form, that you become. To explain it I will tell you. Like animals walking through dirt and filth they never feel any dirt of filth. They cannot see beauty. But we can. We cannot walk through dirt and filth, our awareness is very different from that of animals. In the same way when you become this then your awareness becomes so beautiful, that you start feeling the sin. You start feeling the wrong. I don’t have to tell you, you may not just do it. I don’t have to tell you. Automatically you started feeling what is good for you and what is bad. Say our [UNCLEAR] has not come. I never tell you don’t drink , you know I don’t, you go ahead, have cancer and have everything nicely, then comfortably, have your liver absolutely shattered, you are a drunken fellow, then live comfortably. Alright doesn’t matter. Then the realization takes place, immediately the priorities change within you. Absolutely. Will be amazed I have seen people who have been terrible drunkards, you see. They said, Mother we can’t help it. I said, what happened? We vomit. Same thing happened with Rustom. He started vomiting and he couldn’t take, you see, anger. Then you just enjoy something else, because if you get the nectar of life then you don’t run after frivolous things, useless thing. Your dignity becomes different. You become different. It’s entirely different. Your sense of enjoyment is so different. You become really beautiful flowers and the fragrance people can see from a distance, even from a telephone. It’s so dynamic. And that is what it should happen. For that what should we do? You can say, Mother what should we do? Nothing, just ask. You have to ask me and knock. That’s all. Even if you do not knock your Mother is going to knock at your doors. She is very persuasive, she will come to your house. Make you comfortable, she will massage your body, she will massage your head, she will massage your back, work on you and she see to it that she takes you out. She has too much patience. And you will be amazed, that if I am tired I feel better 17:13

Maria's House. Northampton (UK), 8 June 1979. (transcribed first 17minutes) Shri Mataji: You should, because it’s on the supraconscious, the future. He knows from the future, you see the spirits come and tell you. Yogi: And he knew things what was going to happen and why those things happening. Will be then able to manipulate [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: You see this is the power of the spirits coming on him, that he doesn’t know. The same spirit [UNCLEAR] bone by bone [UNCLEAR] He doesn’t know what he has done. He is not going to be perfect. All of them how you can say [UNCLEAR] Yogi: I don’t think he realizes. He lost that realization to realize the possibilities. [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: You see something like this thing goes in your head. The action. That’s the advantage. That’s a very good advantage [UNCLEAR] and then you just don’t get a response, [UNCLEAR] just don’t understand [UNCLEAR]. Yogi: According to the Quran no guru, no teacher can be either be involved in [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Not being involved. Yogis talking Shri Mataji: Of course not. You see how can be Yogis talking Shri Mataji: You see actually I [UNCLEAR] you get detached in a sense, you become the personality, what a detached personality. They don’t know what faith is. They become famous is a different part. But you don’t know what is famous. Just don’t care, just don’t care. the person who is truthful also understands. But the one who is realized, the one who is going to be the guru or is the guru is the one who just doesn’t care for these things. It doesn’t come into him. I give you an example [UNCLEAR] there was a rich man and his sister was down with cancer, [UNCLEAR] I give you so much money, I’ll buy you an Ashram, [UNCLEAR] He said that my wife is possessed. And she is such and such and if she says, my wife, [UNCLEAR] you see some or other try to [UNCLEAR] Very seriously She is [UNCLEAR] they took her to the hospital and got cured. Very sweet and she was herself [UNCLEAR] She came on a plane. Such a [UNCLEAR] a good person, not that Mark was bad, he was also a good person, but some dirty woman must have come in-between and you have such funny ideas you must change your wifes like American people have you must change your fridge, and you must change your this, you must change your wife, change is the sign according to them a sign of [UNCLEAR] whatever it is. So I think something like that, but it is very serious allegation about her. She was such a fine person. So and then she didn’t talk about and he came to see me and he said: “Mother what do you think about her?” I said, “She is one of the finest American woman I know. She is a very devoted wife, and don’t call any other, has a power on her own and I will not touch her by back you think.” Mother you think she is not possessed? I said, “Not at all.” [UNCLEAR] What about cancer? I said, She can’t. There’s no possibility. She is a very devoted wife, a very nice person and she loves you. And if you try to have a divorce you will be a very miserable person. Just don’t know. It is not at all for you, as a Mother I am telling you she is my daughter and I am proud of her. His face went down. So I said, you see. [UNCLEAR] When I went to Chandigarh, Mother you have no pragmatic approach, what pragmatic, he couldn’t understand a word. He said it should be practical, what practical? Why did you say that, how come? Chandigarh. Do you know, if there is an innocent person and if you grant an innocent person like this, let alone me, I would never do that, even if you do that it is a very great sin which you cannot fill up by giving realization to [UNCLEAR]. Now will you do it? After all he is an Indian man, you see, we are going up, I am going up, if she is a woman like that, what Mataji says, [UNCLEAR]. Like that, the whole thing is fizzling down. Doesn’t matter. What are we going to do with these buildings? You have to have your own created. Temples are to be built of human beings and not of houses, which are going to crumble down. We have to put living images not things by which people are impressed for time being and then when you die they say that they never take their names. Such a person cannot, just you see. Just does not bother. See about fame. What is fame? It’s nonsense. What is a fame? What is the thing just tell me? I don’t never understand. What is fame, means what, you see. If it means somebody says, oh you are great, run away from that person. Because you see they maybe wanted something out of you. Normally none of the incarnations got fame. They only got stones and restrictions. None of them got. But there is only one way in Sahaja Yoga is that, because you are going to get actualization, you are going to get the experience of it. That’s why in your heart God is there to reside. This is the way. If you call it this way, I accept that. If that sort of a fame you feel. If you feel now learning from the person. It’s the fame which comes out of auspiciousness. The auspiciousness is a thing we say personality by which you improve in your being, every way, success, not this worldly success, but success that is satisfying, Shri (???) means the grace that is beautifying, such a person is auspicious. Such a person will have a kind of a fame which will be different from [UNCLEAR] styles. The world is going to change. They are not going to have Lord Byron for a statue. No they are not. Or Wellington [UNCLEAR] we are going to have something else. Now people want to change, their awareness is going to change completely. They are going to care for people who have that eternal essence in them. They are not going to bother Yogi: I think, talking about these false gurus I don’t understand one thing that scene against the holy spirit all the worst in all the worst [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: It’s very simple to understand. Supposing somebody beats you, you wouldn’t mind, but somebody beats me, will you be able to detain it in your heart? The same way Christ had said, It’s alright if you insult me, but if you insult my Mother [UNCLEAR] force. There are 11 powers he has got by which he [UNCLEAR] to all such people It’s very simple to understand. You are not to insult the Mother of Christ, it’s very dangerous. That’s why he never told anybody that she was the Holy Spirit. She was the Holy Ghost. That’s why she didn’t say it, because that was a protective thing. She was. Ask a question [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Maria are you busy with this whole thing? Maria: I just finished. Shri Mataji: She is so sweet. She is working so hard. Will you please go and help her Yogi: It’s very logical, I mean. If he is the son and if he is the son of God, then he must be God. I wonder why he couldn’t see that you know. Shri Mataji: You see that’s the trouble. They can see somethings which you cannot sees. This is maya. [UNCLEAR] You see something which does not exist. And you do not see that is exists, its illusion. It’s the illusion. If you can get, you see, into that state from where you see the illusion you just enjoy, know the illusion. Ahh Just now as you are laughing at yourself its nice. [UNCLEAR] isn’t it. It’s a big joke [Shri Mataji laughing] I was also there, Yogi: Yes, this is how the whole of maya is, till you got beyond Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR] you see, you are the crucified ones. How to expose them, you see this is the trick of the maya if you understand. [UNCLEAR] See you cannot treat them like that you see, because they have entered into your heads. So now how do I do it? Is to put you there. You go into that. You see them and then get out of it and it would be with a greater force and greater humility from these horrible gurus. Yogi: [UNCLEAR] said something very funny when we were in September, we were there. He was talking about the story about a Brahmin who had rice. He went to the king’s palace, on his way out he stole some jewelry and they couldn’t understand why he stole the jewelry. Because he was a saint who stole the jewelry. They discovered eventually that the food they have eaten came from the village of thieves. He returned the jewelry. Shri Mataji: What about him doing that the same? Yogi: and then he said. He said the story looking at me and afterwards he walked out, because we just 2 hours before discussing this question the money they owe us, what they have done. He said to me as he walked out, “You see. It was any 2 months later he was apologizing for his own deeds? He then said .. the people in this room will gonna bring down the movement. Shri Mataji: No no no, [UNCLEAR] Not that day, he was trying to prove, to say these things and all that. Just to show that I know what you are talking about. He is a thief. And certifying, see, I can, the dictionary I don’t understand what to say, I have no words to say what sort of a man he is. He should really get somebody from Lucknow. They will nice abuses which they use for such people. You know what I can write to someone, write about 21 of them to send him back, this is this, this is this, you are. This is the mantra you say about yourself, I am this, I am that. You know, I will tell you, I cannot image what sort of a man he is. We had one like that. [UNCLEAR] Once we had a very great swindler, great swindler. His name was Dharampet. [UNCLEAR] but he met Jawaharlal Nehru in America and in these matters our Prime Minister was very nice. He was very fond of people who were properly dressed and very you see English manner and spoke good English and we had all the English. I mean he was Cambridge [UNCLEAR]. They should say superb. So that kind of a thing our families was very much interested. So this fellow, went and told him that, ‘I am doctor, I am this, English and all, and also our prime minister, they say so, I don’t know, [UNCLEAR] he could officiated [UNCLEAR]. His wife was very good looking woman as they say. I have not seen her. I have seen this horrible fellow and he managed him somehow. And then he went back to India. That time I’m telling you that I am gone to received my husband at the airport. And you know for us they allowed us inside the lounge and we came out. And I saw this man with a big hat. I asked my husband, who is this man? Why do you want to know? I said, but you tell me who is this man. He said, why are you so childish? I said ‘I am not childish, I am anxious. So he said, alright I tell you his name. His name is [UNCLEAR]. What is he doing there? Why do you want to know about him? Of all the persons why him. I said because [UNCLEAR] Really? Oh God, is he connected with you? He said, ‘Very much’. ‘How’? He is coming for shipping. Then you know what happened this fellow went to Jwala Neru and his wife would have a breakfast with him and she used to order this and that. Jwalaji, as I told you, was a very nice person and he never understood that this fellow is [UNCLEAR]. Then he was given from that food, can you imagine, 65 karos of [UNCLEAR] But my husband as soon as the proposal has came he put on [UNCLEAR] because I was after his life. They transferred him and they gave him a bigger post and they said you can become chairman of the shipping corporation. And they gave him 65 lakhs of Rupees. And the parlament passed a great prime minister. 65 karos, [UNCLEAR] and then he bought ships he cheated all the big ship yards, never paid them any money. He ordered the ships, he talked to the [UNCLEAR] and every time he took to the prime minister there and another minister the deputy prime minister who is nowadays our prime minister the great fellow, the one who brings the English. He took him there and this fellow, this Desi was the one who was to inaugurate and big this thing and naturally you see the poor people [UNCLEAR] couldn’t say anything. Because the prime minister, deputy prime minister coming in, garland him, this that and he is going to launch the ship. They launched the ship and this fellow never gave them the money. The ship was lost permanently, and they had no way occur collectivity. And these are the two great people of our country. Can you imagine, the one who is to be the prime minister and the one who [UNCLEAR] and they gave him 65 crore of Rupees. Now, this happened and then suddenly the whole thing started to come up just like this you see and then one man he found it out. And he leaked it. The government, then he leaked it to the police and all that and then my husband was in Japan and he suddenly came. I said, ‘How?’ Then they told him that this man, supposed to have killed his first wife, took her money and then come to India and this and that and that and that and because of this thing started off they found out also about shipping. And these two great giants of our country, what should I call them, you see. They were saying, you see, ‘don’t have that The police is very bad, don’t harass them. They are supporting them, these two. But they were simple. They didn’t take any money from him as such. But then this man was absolutely caught and then he one day just ran away from them to some place in Panama from where you don’t have any extradition. The whole thing was hashed out and all those ships were frozen, all these money was frozen, still he managed to take away 4 crore of rupees. This best part of it, my husband says very seriously to me , ‘You know the 250 Rupees you have to pay for registration that also that thug did not pay. Even that he did not pay and our great people like Jawala Nehru and Monarchie Bhai [spelling?] are great supporters of him. You shouldn’t feel bad of what has happened. [Shri Mataji laughing] You see. It is that. And then he was arrested. He came to London [UNCLEAR] he was telling stories after stories. Jawalaji had died by then. You see. [UNCLEAR] Did such a foolish thing. If you see his old age, looks like aged person. And then this case started in London. And then he said, another drama he played, he said you see these people are all against Jawalaji, to take bad name. vand the judge was listening to him. He just said, ‘Now, have you finished? Now I see that you are a crook of the first quarters and you are a thug and you are this and you are that. And now will you shut up!’ That’s what they say. I said that’s the [UNCLEAR] And he said, ‘You take two running jumps and go to hell!’ These are the words he used. And then he was in jail. He came out of jail and Indira Ghandi came, another great lady behind the prime minister. She saw to it that he goes out of [UNCLEAR]. Now he is out. So are we not sufficiently luted? You want more examples? [Shri Mataji laughing] It’s a fact, you see. Imagine people like that. And I would not blame Jawala for this, because he had such a big secretariat with the best, the cream of our country, most intelligent people. All the intelligence of India was behind this and they all did, good faith, the good faith part. And none of them got a single pie. Hello, how are you? Yes yes, very nice children they are. Come along, Come along, Come along, I’ve been just waiting for you to come down here. Come along, come along, sit down, sit down, sit down. Good, Aha, the force has come. You see the vibrations. Just see the vibrations. All of them, how beautiful, all are realized. Just look at these children. Beautiful they are. Can you remove this and they can sit comfortably. This lady [UNCLEAR] Look at the, Maria who are they. [Maria talking unclear. ] Good, you said there will be only 10 people. Maria you said there will be only 10 people Maria: Yeah I thought so. Shri Mataji: Good. And the great people have come. These are great people. What’s your name? You must tell your name. Yogis laughing What’s your name? See the eyes, sparkling, look at this see beautiful they are, aren’t they. Just put your hands like this, lets see if the cool breeze, alright? Just like this, she is born realized. They speak Hindi. What language they speak? Yogini: Gujarati. Shri Mataji: Gujarati. Thaṇḍī lāgē chē. All of them just see the vibrations. Can you feel that? Tremendous. [UNCLEAR] Hello. See that. I mean this is what it is. Can you see, can you feel that? Can you feel the vibrations? Now let’s just see who is great. They do the job for me. I don’t have to say anything. Please put your hands also like this, all of you, just like this. It’s so simple. See that, you feel some cool? In the hand? Yes, cool. Are you feeling alright there, all of you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? See are you feeling? See you have to be great people to be the Mother of such great children, they are great children. And they selected you as their Mother. There must be some reason for it. Beautiful. It’s beautiful. Open that window, that window is better. You open that one. It’s good, from where did you come? Oh I didn’t see, [UNCLEAR] that’s another one born realized. Are you feeling the cool breeze? Yogi: [UNCLEAR] Good See, have more of it and more of it. Let it go inside, absolutely. They got cold, got cold, nice [UNCLEAR]. Nice, it’s beautiful. See you already got it in the hand. Why should you worry? So many children are born in this country. Are you fine? Better now, feeling better, better now? The best thing is you must I know the know-how. Otherwise you don’t have to believe in it. Why should you believe anyone who doesn’t tell you the know-how. They call it science. Do you have any knowledge of science about you don’t have to know-how? In Sahaja Yoga even children, everything. Good. [UNCLEAR] Maria house is blessed many times. Isn’t it. It’s beautiful. Beautiful children. Better now. [UNCLEAR] Why don’t you sit down Bala? The chair people can go back. You see. Then others can sit in-between. All those who are occupying chairs should go to the back, better idea so that those who sit in front can see. Pushed a little bit this side Hallo, come along. We had a very nice session of great laughter. Something like talking about Charlie Chaplin. [Yogis talking] I think you should put these chairs down or back so that they can see. You are alright, sit. [Yogis talking] They have been having a big laughter. [Yogis talking] Come come come come [Yogis talking] Alright. They are never late, can you sit on the ground? [Yogis talking] So all the forum is complete? All of them? [UNCLEAR] They have brought the real force, you see all of them. Yes they have brought [UNCLEAR]. Just sit like this with the hands, follow me. [Yogis talking] Are you feeling the cool breeze? Good. Got it already. See it’s so simple. What about you? Just see that. Just see. What about you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Not yet. You will know if it is there. No sort of, you will feel everything. We were just laughing about all the things, how they have cheated all of us, and all that. [Shri Mataji laughing] Oh God, and now we know. Now we have to decide and plan out how [UNCLEAR] all of them. So it’s a plan we have to work it out. [UNCLEAR] It has to settle down, an experience which needs to be settled down. The Kundalini rises at the first shoot. There is no, there is a problem, I would say that, as I have told you before. I couldn’t give realization [UNCLEAR] at all, wether foreigners nor Indians. There is something special about you, that your own Motherland, you see, that power. It is spontaneous, it is very forceful and it does happen. But then it settles back, in a sense it has to look after all the centers and all the problems you are having. So it comes down. Then you start thinking about it, that’s the point where you are at fault. You cannot think about it. You didn’t get it by thinking. This one thing you must know that you did not get it by thinking. You got it because it has to happen. So if you think about it, it will slow down. You cannot think about it. It is love. How can you think about love? It’s not science. Just now if you watch your eye, if you watch yourself. You are beyond thoughts. Most of the time, there is no thought. Why? You done it. Are you too close to that? Find it too hot? You can put it off, I think, just a light, is it? Better? Are you feeling the cool breeze nicely? Good. So lets talk of something nice now. Let’s talk something about the light. We talked about [UNCLEAR] too much. [Yogis talking] What did you say, she has? [Yogini talking] You got Rama’s Mantra. Catch in the right heart, you can also feel it. The catch is on this. This is Rama’s chakra. I will tell you about this. [Yogis talking] So I will have to tell you about ourselves, what are we. Actually we know so little about ourselves. This ignorance is responsible for this kind of a problem that you all have faced, because you are so ignorant about it. And the reason is the knowledge about what I am going to tell you, you can only have when you are a realized soul. Without that one cannot talk about that, one cannot explain it to you. Because it is too fantastic. It’s so fantastic that you cannot believe it and you cannot except it. And that’s why it is not for human mind to conceive it. It goes beyond. If I say that there is God’s Divine power which is the most dynamic power, which is the only power that guides this creation, that coordinates everything, that looks after us, and that has made us human being. You won’t believe it, that there is such a power of love. All that you see other things is absolutely false. It’s just a reflection, is not the mirror. And this power has entered into every atom, every molecule and can control all that. We see it every day those things but we take it for granted. Like we see the flowers suddenly becoming the fruits. How would they become? A mango tree will give you mangoes, i won’t give you roses. How does it happen? If you see even in chemistry elements that are created on this earth have a regular planning about it. They are divided in to exactly 8 divisions. Now how all this happens, we never think about it. We take it for granted, we try to find out what we see, what it is, and then we say oh we are great scientists. But you cannot say how it works. Even if you take a sulfur dioxide, an ordinary atom of sulfur dioxide, The sulfur atom is on top and there are two oxigen. If you see it under microscope you can find out that it pulsates. And there is a kind of vibration that is passing between these atoms. And these vibrations are of three types. Unequal, equal, similar all sorts and who does that? And how, why. That certain act like this and certain like this. Even the matter which is a dead thing, which we do not think is capable of having an energy in it. That’s what we used to think. Now of course you have changed your ideas about that. That too has such a beautiful arrangement. Even up to the molecule state, up to the atom state you can see how it is mathematically arranged, the protons and the neutrons around. It is just to see and wondering. And when you see it in the nature and these elements there atoms then you see later on when you start watching something much more complex that is a living cell with a carbon coming into it. We just take it for granted. We never bother. From where is this carbon coming and how this carbon combination life came. We just take ourselves also for granted as if we are great kings and that whatever we have got our human life is our own, you see sort of thing. And thinking that if we have this human body is our special right to have it. Even this eye of ours, if you see, is such a complex camera, how it works, instantaneously, how it captures. Is something beyond our comprehension. So vindicated [not sure about this word], we don’t see, its alright we take it for granted. That’s the way human beings live with it. If you cannot cope with the thing, what we do is to accept it for granted. That’s a sensible thing to do. In the same way nature has made you specially in such a manner that you cannot hear certain frequencies. You can only hear certain frequencies. You are created with such beautiful adaptations, nature and surrounding. This Earth is moving with such a tremendous speed, you do not feel. Spinning around so fast you cannot feel. We take all these for granted and we think we are human beings. But why are you human beings? Why have you become human beings? What can you find out, what did you find out so far, whatever you can see, whatever is absolutely fracture that you have found out. You have not been able to find out why these thing happened and how these thing happened. How are you going to find out about such a complex thing that is a human being. You have become a human being without doing anything about it. And what are you going to do? For getting that awareness by which you are going to know yourself, nothing, nothing whatsoever. On the contrary effort human beings put, because they have a sense that they can put in effort. But you reach a certain stage later on that you are really working out, you are just sitting down very nicely, the whole thing is working out. Say for example there is a relay in London about some programs in the TV. Now it’s all in the atmosphere, you don’t see. And suddenly you start your TV you get it. What effort have you put in? It was all build-in there. And it was all, whatever was done on the other hand was also done by somebody. You have just put on the switch and you get pictures, which you do not see normally on the walls nowhere, but suddenly you get them. They are there, exist. But you believe into it, because this you see with your own eyes. It is an actual thing, that’s why you believe into it. And that’s why you must believe into it when it’s an actual thing. So we come to that position where we understand that if anyone talks about higher life, about the power beyond this then we must have actualization of it. We must feel it. At this point there is a problem because it is easy to talk about peace. Like there is a higher life, there is God, and this and his power working and all that. All this lecture you can hear from many people. Even actualization of it you see, they may say that jump like a frog is actualization. Yes we had people like that. You know in one of my lectures one gentleman was sitting both his feet towards me. I said, it’s alright for me but I don’t know what is going to happen to this gentleman, you see. Then one of the boys went and said, ‘You are not suppose to sit like this towards Mother’. He said, ‘You see, I am sorry but if I sit in any other form, I cannot sit and start jumping like a frog’. So I said, ‘How do you think that this happens?’ ‘It happens every time and if I do it now it will start, like that.’ So I said, ‘But why this is happen?’ Doesn’t matter, Kundalini has a reason, I am a self-realized person. ‘Who has told you this?’ He took out a big book like that, you wont belief such a big book and he showed me, written down there ‘When Kundalini rises you start jumping like a frog’. Who is this gentleman, this is some Acharia Brahma some sort of a name, such a big name you see and horrible person’s photograph on the thing. Such a big book and this fellow is carrying on his head all the time jumping like a frog. And he says, that yes you have to jump like a frog. Why? I asked him. Now when you are going to evolve are you going to become a frog or a monkey, what are you going to be, this is first thing. You can use your brains for this to understand what to expect, you see. You are not going to become like monkeys or pigs or even lions. You are already the highest and you have to be something higher. So that will sit out. Then the fellow says, another one, who came to me, and he says, ‘The best was we had one frog warming up [UNCLEAR] This is David, this is our Sahaja Yogi, very sweet otherwise poor thing. He came yesterday and I said, what happen David, what where you doing like this and why did you do all these things after coming to Sahaja Yoga. He said, there must be some devil on me, on supra conscious level. But he said Mother, he was so subtle, one of the subtlest one you should understand, that he told me, that he was this and this and that you will give me realization. He came in my ears and told me, can you imagine to that extend it was. And so he believed in that kind of a spirit and he was telling all the time. But I said, for telling you why should you use any spirit? You can read it in Time Out. Use your brains. Then we have another one, where we think we can purchase in the market. There are courses [UNCLEAR] three weeks course, three years course for sharing of all your property. So we go in, you see, for that. Then all such things one must understand cannot be anywhere near reality. So what should we expect, what should be the reality. What we call of knowledge of self. First science has given a certain thing which we should try to understand. And if you understand through science you can understand that. Science has given us an understanding that there is a power which we cannot comprehend through our rationality. Even a person like Einstein, said, ‘I could not find the theory of relativity in the laboratories. I was tired, i was laying down and I was playing soap bubbles and suddenly the whole theory of relativity dawned upon him. Because he was a realized soul. So it has not come from the [UNCLEAR] these people themselves are saying. So whatever knowledge has come to us, has not come through so-called scientific research but through the grace of some power. Science cannot explain many things. For example, the science [Shri Mataji talking to Yogis] For example they cannot say why so many things happened in the human body. For example, it is said that any foreign body that enters in the system creates a situation by which the body tries to throw it out. But it’s only the fetus which is retained in the womb, nurtured and looked after and thrown away at the time, when the thing absolutely mature. So there is somebody who thinks about it. Then there are two chemicals, chemicals there are adrenalin and [UNCLEAR] which are secreted in our being at different points. And they cannot explain how these ordinary chemicals sometimes augment and constrict and sometimes [UNCLEAR] at different times. They cannot explain it. So they will say, they are honest. They say the mode of action of these chemicals in the human body cannot be explained. They behave differently from their own nature, so Baba, from their own nature. There are many such things which I can throw up to you and show you, that man reaches a point a various things that there is something else which takes the decisions. Now when you reach that stage, then you start thinking, that through science we feel that there is something that we cannot explain and that rationality cannot take it up there. So there must be some answer to it. The answer comes from psychology. I would say Jung was one of the greatest psychologist ever. The oppose Freud, because Freud you know was a horrible psychologist. He was a fellow, who was treating all kinds of abnormal things. He never treated normal things. So he got possessed by that. And he started behaving abnormal. Himself was a very abnormal person, he had very abnormal relationships, he was really absurd, his own lifetime. And he had a very bad death, he had cancer, he died . But still all of the western world worships him. They never see what he achieved in his own lifetime, what sort of a person he was, what was his relationship with other people and how really he was very anxious always taking pills and he died of terrible cancer and in a very rigid condition he died. While Jung, in his old age he got his realization and he was of a very different nature and when he died he used to look, he was looking like a flower. But people do not see all that. They just see what he writes. And because it’s so sad to listen to Freud, I don’t know why it suits them, actually it should not normally. So Mr. Freud has come up. You will find out that this great man has done so many experiment with thousands of people and has established, and has established that there are forces beyond us, which control, and the forces beyond us which control us. He called them as universal unconscious. Unconscious because they are not in our conscious mind. And he called them as, also as. You see actually he did not know how to name it so he said that, he has said it, it is the Mother’s force, it is a motherly force. Very clearly he said that. And he studied also Indian literature and all that and he has developed some thought on Shakti path also. He has used the word Shakti for the universal unconscious. But still he was just a realized soul. There was no mother to tell him all about it what it was. So he couldn’t indicate and tell you that there is a universal unconscious which is guiding you. He experimented with people with their dreams. There is a very famous dream, which he interpreted, about a man who would always dreams that he has to bow to his son. His son is sitting on a pedestal and he has to bow to his son. The son might be a realized soul. So he came to him and he said ‘I don’t know why I get such a dream.’ So Jung asked, ‘what is your relationship with your son?’ He said, ‘Very very bad’. I say, ‘Why’ ‘You see his mother is dead and I married again and my wife is very angry with him and I really don’t know how to manage it. The relationship has gone very bad.’ He said, ‘The unconscious is telling you that you must bow to him. He is of a higher awareness, so you must bow to him. It is giving you a balance.’ There was another girl who came to him with a dream, just putting two dreams together I am telling you, he said that, ‘I see my mother as a witch’. So he asked the girl, ‘What is your relationship with your mother?’ She said, ‘It’s very fine, very good. She actually pampers me, she has pampered me so much that I am jeers good for nothing.’ ‘That is the thing coming to you from your unconscious to suggest that your mother is a witch who is spoiling you. And there are 1001 like that, you see there are so many volumes of books which you can read for yourself. So the psychologist said to us that the state of human awareness that it will reach to a point where it will be thoughtlessly aware. He will be aware, but there won’t be any thought. This is said by Jung who was a psychologist. So we should know what we have to expect. Now there’s another source which is very clear and very very [UNCLEAR] which we can understand are the scriptures. If you read John’s Revelation you can read about [UNCLEAR]. You will know that the cool breeze is to be expected, if you read Adi Shankaracharya because he is the one who has completely exposed the whole thing in the 6th century [ie 600s]. This knowledge was a secret knowledge before that. Because the evolutionary forces have not taken its proper course. It was kept as secret knowledge, a guarded knowledge, for very few. Only in the 6th century [ie 600s] he started exposing it and Kabira and Nanaka, all these people came out full exposition of Kundalini. The greatest work on Kundalini was in Maharashtra, where Nath, the 9 Nathas, the primordial masters they call themselves, worked out and also in other places, they also came from Punjab. There was a big report Punjab and Maharashtra and they went into the forest, meditated and religiously tried to find out the works of the Kundalini, what was the force, what was the secret within us, what was the germinating force that is going to give us this. Because only one or two were realized, whenever they talked about realization, nobody could believe them and they couldn’t understand. There is a force like that and they said, Oh we are happy with ourselves. Moreover the people who were realized, had such bad experiences of all these people, like they were beaten up, crucified, they were poisoned, I mean imagine the people. What was there to crucify Christ. I still can’t understand. So the very sensible people of this world looked at all the explanation about God and Divinity with that kind of a hostile attitude. And there was no way of changing this attitude of these people. And this hostility was expressed even by religious organization. You see, anybody who was a realized soul was thrown away from the churches, from temples, these brahmins killed them, they tortured them, the last one that we had was Shirdi Sai Nath. And if you see how the brahmins from another area from [UNCLEAR] how they tortured him you would be surprised. Not only that, they brought a snake charmer with a snake to kill and he got hold of the snake and talked to the snake, you see snake went away and bit charmer. Then he was the one who got up and saved the charmer. And he told him, don’t do all these things. He said, I would not but these people brahmins have given me. So the people who were supposed to be in charge of religion themselves crucified those saints who talked of reality. That’s how reality was completely blinded. Nobody could see it and people were get. This was the problem and that’s why somebody had to come and do this to give en-Masse realization to people. So that it becomes a common knowledge. Everything that is discovered by one person has to become the common knowledge otherwise it has no meaning. Even in the science you see, you find out about Electricity, it has a big mystery behind it, whatever it is but at a point is has to become a common knowledge. If it is not a common knowledge it is never accepted and it has no value at all. It has to become a knowledge of every human being otherwise it has no meaning. And the time has come fo you to have the actualization and to have the complete knowledge of your being. What you are, what you are going to be, what you could have been, what are the problems around. So in us is placed a germinating force. We are all built in, its like a computer, absolutely living computer within us is placed through our evolution, one by one, step by step. All these points have been properly put down in our backbone, in our brain and in the limbic area here, absolutely [UNCLEAR] and only thing one has to do is to surrender to accept it. But we surrender to all kinds of nonsensical things, but to the right person our Ego will immediately stand out, you see. If somebody has two hearts it is very easy to surrender. Or if somebody is very cunning very easy to surrender. But where do you surrender, is to the Divine force, to yourself, to your wisdom. What do you surrender is your nonsensical idiotic Ego. What do you have to surrender to God, what do have, only this known knowledge which has come to you through Ego and sometimes through these possessions which is supra conscious. —— Now for surrendering people think, how can I surrender. Now you cannot think about it, how should I surrender. Can you work it out on a paper, I will do this x + x = so much. It’s very simple, how do you love. Do you sit down and make a picture, now I’m going to love my child, so I will make a lap with this much angle and this much angle and the baby there at this angle, look at her with this angle, then I turn left right, then again I put the child this side. Do you do like that? You know how to love, don’t you? It’s built in. Surrendering is nothing but the love of God that is within you. He is within you in your heart. He is there. All the scriptures have said that and none of them are wrong or false. They might have listened to [UNCLEAR] somewhere, everybody has to play tricks. Our tantricas in India, all of these who are nowadays gurus were tantricas once upon a time, in the 6th century. They entered into all kinds of things. And the worst thing they entered into are the Vedas themselves, you see, where they declare that even I think, like Ashwamedhya [name needs to be checked] which is a very pure thing is also disoriented from sex. Even they said that the God and the Goddess, the God and His power are sex relationships. Actually they think that human beings are nothing but sex points. They have nothing else in them. Even an ameba has something more than that. But we accept them. Why? Because we are seekers. We are simple. And we are seeking, we are born in this world to seek. We have taken our birth specially at this time so seek. We have been seekers all our lives and today we want to seek. And how are we going to seek? Wherever we get a chance we had to. I know it is hard to understand it, you don’t have to do anything, just sit right. The boat is moving and it will take you to the other end. You don’t have to do anything. It was going to work out, this is how it has to mature. Now the flowers are there, they attract the bees, the bees come at the right time, they blossom at the right time and also the fruits appear at the right time. It has to mature. It has to take its own course and time. The way you are built in, you are made it has to complete itself, so the another round starts. And that’s why this [UNCLEAR] has blossomed today. That’s all, nothing more than that. It is very easy to correct. There is no problem about it. It’s very easy, because once you have [UNCLEAR] you start seeing everything very very clear, because there is no light it becomes so difficult. Have you tried climbing up steps without lights in any new house which you have not been? Three times you fall down before you get over one, like that. But if there is light, whatever type of the house ready, wherever you have been, you can just go up. Just like that. In the same way, unless and until you are enlightened, unless and until you are realized, unless and until you have that power poured into you, you cannot understand and you cannot see that how simple it is. And you are so beautifully built in your previous searches, that once you get this awakening within you, you start awakening others. Immediately and you can start it also [UNCLEAR]. But you see just now it’s such a powerful thing, that most of them have got it, so I don’t know where [UNCLEAR]. Most of them have got it. Sometimes it happens like that, whom are we going to raise now, Mother everybody is realized. [Shri Mataji laughing and Yogis talking] She’s got it too. You see that’s the problem. That it is [UNCLEAR] but you will find that it will settle down again. It has to go back because we have got chakras within us, the centers, which are being exhausted. That I would say, now this side is the left side and this side is the right side. And both sides are the sympathetic nervous system. Right side sympathetic nervous system works for your mental being and for your emotional being, mental being and for your physical being, the left side for your emotional being. In-between is the central path, is the para sys. Now the underline subtle energies that control these two, left and right, the left one is controlled by the power which we call as Mahakali swarupa, which is, when the hrim and the kleem. The hrim is the central power, ra is energy, hrim is the one which gives you evolutionary powers and also sustenance. Like carbon had its own sustenance, and gold has its own sustenance, as you have your own sustenance. Everybody has the sustenance through this central power of hrim, is the power of Mahalakshmi. And the right hand-side power is the power of Mahasaraswati. Now you shouldn’t get upset, it resides within. It has nothing with any particular community or anything, because these were found out by Saints who were meditating in India and they read Sanskrit language. That’s why they are Sadhus. Moreover these days also science has developed here, but also in India a kind of a science [UNCLEAR] and the science that was developed in India was the science of Kudalini, is the force of the germinating power, the residual power within us. And this science has seen or has actually experiment with the movement of the Kundalini when it moves, the sounds take place. And these sounds are different on different centers within us, which are seven basics, but there are 11 otherwise and there are three [Shri Mataji talking with Yogi] 350, this is the thing, 350 million, but [UNCLEAR] only with seven [UNCLEAR]. Not more than that. It’s too much of ending. Why should you [UNCLEAR]. We need not worry, now you are sitting [UNCLEAR], it’s perfectly alright. Why should you worry from where this electricity has come. And from how much of drops it must have taken to create this much of electricity. Is it from the water or from the coal or what is the history, whose bother. You just put on the light and enjoying. They are ready for you. It’s all done. In this also you must take it for granted that it’s all done for you and you have every right to happened. So this Kundalini, when it passes through all these various chakras it makes a sound. And that sound has been taken by those people in the ancient days as the phonetics, phonetic sounds for forming the Sanskrit language. That’s why Sanskrit is used for controlling the Kundalini, the movement of the Kundalini. And the centers that are within you have got a mark, a land mark of your evolution. For example, the leaders who came at different stages of your evolution where actually the incarnations of Divine power and they have left a mark within you and they exist within you at that particular center. So when you say a particular mantra that deity opens out and starts emitting energy. But still human being without realization is a limited energy. These deities have limited energies. But if he is put in connection with the All-pervading power through realization, then these deities are also [UNCLEAR]. Like if you have a car and you [UNCLEAR] petrol and the petrol shop is there, then you put the car into tension and you know what to do. But supposing there is a permanent pipe on the cap of the patrol tank, which is filling is permanently then you don’t have tensions. You are not bothered what is exhaustion. Now this exhaustion on all the centers, because these are the underlying forces of all the plexuses that we have outside. When they get exhausted, plexuses that are active in our body, our mind, our thinking, our emotional activities, all of them get exhausted and then we develop diseases of various types. Physical, mental, emotional. So to make these centers awakened is a very important thing even from a day to day life stand point, like you must fill them up, you must awaken them so that at least your health is alright, your wealth is alright, you mind is alright, and also your emotions are alright. This is the basis. But ultimately what do you get? Ultimately you get that connection which is all the time [UNCLEAR]. Not only that much like unless and until you get this connected to the main you cannot work it out. Maybe very nicely made what to do then. So the first thing is put it to the mains. When you put it to the mains then only you will realize where is the problem. Otherwise you will not know. But when you get your self realization you know your problems. [UNCLEAR] That is self realization, you know your centers how they are effected, where they are effected, what is the problem there and you get the power to cure. Of course thoughtless awareness is there, no doubt but plus that immediately. A person who Kundalini has crossed Agnya, only Agnya, may not even get realization can cure others. That’s how are are have half baked curing people. Mostly then they get possessed and they get spiritualists, you see. Their Kundalini only rises up to Agnya and some spirit comes into and he becomes spiritualist. But you people even if it crosses Agnya immediately you can start curing. When it crosses Sahasrara this point, the last point, then you enter into that area or into that subtle awareness which is all pervading. Just now we think that you are different, she is different, she is different, but there’s a thread passing through. If your attention becomes that thread then you can pass into anyone. That’s how you know yourself, you know your problems, everything, you also know ours, immediately. That is what is the collective consciousness about which Jung also has integrated. So you have to expect collective consciousness that is, is an actualization. That is that you are consciousness, your awareness get’s that dimension in actual form, that you become. To explain it I will tell you. Like animals walking through dirt and filth they never feel any dirt of filth. They cannot see beauty. But we can. We cannot walk through dirt and filth, our awareness is very different from that of animals. In the same way when you become this then your awareness becomes so beautiful, that you start feeling the sin. You start feeling the wrong. I don’t have to tell you, you may not just do it. I don’t have to tell you. Automatically you started feeling what is good for you and what is bad. Say our [UNCLEAR] has not come. I never tell you don’t drink , you know I don’t, you go ahead, have cancer and have everything nicely, then comfortably, have your liver absolutely shattered, you are a drunken fellow, then live comfortably. Alright doesn’t matter. Then the realization takes place, immediately the priorities change within you. Absolutely. Will be amazed I have seen people who have been terrible drunkards, you see. They said, Mother we can’t help it. I said, what happened? We vomit. Same thing happened with Rustom. He started vomiting and he couldn’t take, you see, anger. Then you just enjoy something else, because if you get the nectar of life then you don’t run after frivolous things, useless thing. Your dignity becomes different. You become different. It’s entirely different. Your sense of enjoyment is so different. You become really beautiful flowers and the fragrance people can see from a distance, even from a telephone. It’s so dynamic. And that is what it should happen. For that what should we do? You can say, Mother what should we do? Nothing, just ask. You have to ask me and knock. That’s all. Even if you do not knock your Mother is going to knock at your doors. She is very persuasive, she will come to your house. Make you comfortable, she will massage your body, she will massage your head, she will massage your back, work on you and she see to it that she takes you out. She has too much patience. And you will be amazed, that if I am tired I feel better 17:13

6/9/1979

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Talk to yogis Day 2

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Maria's House Day 2, Northampton (UK), 9 June 1979. [Unclear] Because He must have been trained by a real tantric house, how to displease another one's Krishna. Because if Krishna is challenged, you see he is the one who gives you the feeling of the whole, you see, you start feeling, you are a part of the whole because he is the whole. He is the primordial Virata. So Krishna [Unclear: Sister] by Digi his name, by crazy him, delight them[Unclear] he crosses all the plus, later on, I think maybe, I don't know how the things must have happened. He thinks also there is the power of mother working. You see, so he wants to learn that also. So he gives the mantra of –'Shri', 'aim', 'hrim', 'kleem'- these are the mantra of- Mahakali, Mahalaxmi ,mahasaraswati. iem is mahakali- left hand side, - very dangerous, it is whole of subconscious, you said em is normal. but rim is also called as Shri at a point. At this point is called as Shri. So, you can say, these words are the short forms of mahakali, mahalaxmi and mahasaraswati. So, What she does as a [Unclear: transformer] - he discrete all this stages and overpower your areas, your chakras where this deities are resides actually he breaks them like this [Unclear] better not [unclear] This one is left hand side and this is right side- all right – left sympathetic and right sympathetic and the center is sushmana is the parasympathetic Inside of the deities place at every center What he does, he uses sympathetic system by fooling them off. By making for you first of all you take this mantra. So by doing that effort first of all, you get right Vishuddhi, which all of you have got i.e. right vishuddhi, because if you say a mantra, you see, it immediately came down there – right Vishuddhi is take- went off. Sneezing is nothing but right Vishuddhi [Unclear: open curve]. So, this right Vishuddhi is the – it also get spoiled because he makes you remember and that means, he makes you put your physical effort to remember that mantra, isn't it. So your right side is unauthorized, you have no business to do it, so you got your right Vishuddhi, all of you must suffer from Cold[Unclear]because If you use that kind of right Vishuddhi then possibly also, your left Vishuddhi is spoiled why? - because it is unauthorized – first physical exertion and second the unauthorized you are taking them, and thirdly he makes you even more substantial by putting guilt in your mind. That if you don't do this, that will happen. This is the fear side. Question to Shri Mataji – you know one of the techniques is the[Unclear] See, now – you are saying mantra this time, putting your attention in the heart. So, all the negative forces are drawn into the heart, it sort of channelized then which is only Krishna’s mantra if you give, there only one chakra is spoiled but spoiled drastically. IT cannot be spoiled so much Even by smoking 100 cigarettes per day. It runs very well – this visudhi but after spoiling that, then he is also interested in other chakras. So he gives you another mantra like mantra of Shrin. You can better be Shrin, your right side is [Unclear] then a ghost put there, there is a spirit it. One it is heavenly, there is a void in that area [Unclear]. The name of the fellow is Shrin, he resides in that area. I don’t know if you have that system but we have in Maharashtra. If that if I come say from Nagpur they called areas Nagpur girl like Londona, your surname could be a Londana. So they have called area in between [Unclear]. Also, they have gotten some sort of [unclear : mother] also readers of the delegation which are named like ing, bing, indya, pindya and all this. [Unclear: This is not any chance you see], so Main Chakras that he has captured is this one. as, He works on that. also on this, specially on the right hand side because he works more on right because he believes in supraconscious. When the superconscious spirits are brought in, you become over ambitious. You start getting ideas, how to agonize, how to do this & how to do that and that’s how you so much[Unclear] spreading this [Unclear] because they give you ideas, [Unclear] make this thing. They also give you an idea how to explain certain things. What happens to you, How pulse go that – in all scientific terminology. You see, they give you ideas. These are the some of scientists who have died and who have never satisfied with the progress they made. They didn’t have sufficient satisfaction of their success. So, they come very handy. They come & give you ideas. So all things start on the right side. It's all superconscious work. He tries Shrim and all that. I think he also think of iem. Iem is left hand side and [Unclear: it's the hotchpotch he is tied to] . I don’t know, he also know all the chakras and but that’s all . You see this started, I must tell you how it must have started because like you see. I also feel I must be , it's my little chance to do that [Unclear] – little benefit of doubt. In the beginning, what must have happened, they must have put in lot of effort to get into their [Unclear: senses] and may be that some of them must have been to real gurus and must have been discarded by these gurus and then they must have tried to mediate and find out themselves- all sort of activities – the original tantrica [Unclear: activities –] while working too hard, what happens that when you work too hard with sympathetic practices you may go around the chakras. So that, you can see the chakras like this chaos of [Unclear: easter], beyond[Unclear]. They were not in it. In Sahajyoga , I don’t see you pass through center but these people go round the chakras and they must have seen , you see going round the chakra. First thing, they must have seen- must be trunk of Shri ganesha on mooldhara. You see, they must have felt that’s yes that’s the kundalini at the mooldhara. So they must have this feelings. They must have thought sex to do something with Mooldhara. So they must have tried the sex business. Sex in a funny way, perverted sex. We haven’t seen sexo yogini [Unclear] Then you see, first they started with over indulgence in these things like Saxo yogini business Rajneesh started, you see . May be first they to do that kind of thing[Unclear] then they must have been fond of this. So, these people go nutty and they are possessed, and they are destroyed. So, they must have tried another way now, that is to do some thing called as not actually do the sex but do require [Unclear] So, out of them, came out the kapalikas and you see, if you read our tantrism [Unclear]. Did you read the book of tantrism? that sort of people came. and they started having young girls with them, keeping them and not to have any relationship with them. They would try their sort of celibacy with the young girls who stayed with them and ultimately they would kill that girl like a bunny to the mother. Imagine what a thing!! and that’s how by doing all these things they got power, they got more dirty people coming out. Child crying. Shri Mataji asking – That little Kid!! how is he? Was he better? He slept better. Is he better now? Now lift your bag Answer by Sahaja Yogi - It's better that its not gone. It's still there. Shri Mataji having conversation- Put this one on left nabhi -[unclear] Shri Mataji continues –So, ultimately you see, they must have, another set of experiment with this Kapalika. In third one’s came who went into – severe austerity like they would not look at a woman. They would not go near a woman and just have nothing to do with that and just become severely Austere... very Austere... absolutely dried up being and These people developed a power by which they could curse anyone, they would [Unclear] they will become ‘bhasm’. They will just curse and it used to happen. These were the powers also of the supraconscious and they thought they are very powerful people like that they are many like horrible ones. There is no question of evolution or salvation but they could only develop a set of power by which they could just burn you off and could achieve results. And that’s what they did. And this austerity sort of things started is wearing these kashaye vastr, wearing this rob of a sanyasi. Now when this sanyasi, you see this thing started, Parshurama came to finish them. Parshurama came out. He killed lots of horrible people. They called themselves brahamin. Thats why parshuram killed brahamin, you see. Why Parshurama killed Brahmin, because of the same reason, because of these brahamin. They had started with the austerity. You see it's all movement in the center at point. If you move too much from the center, the center life is a happy married life, sensible normal life with the husband. Austerity and all those thing were not meant for a married man neither for a person who was grown up but it was meant for a time when 75 years of your has passed, when your wife is lost or your husband is lost, then you give sanyas. There was no question of people taking a Sanyasa in a way that was say [Unclear] because you see all the guru have their wives. All the guru has their wives. You can make out the guru from the gotras, you see, gotra is the name of the university where the small children at the age of say up to the age of 25 years studied from 5 years of small children up to 25 years, the name of the university was gotra. If you say my gotra is Shandilya, then I can’t marry a man from the same gotra. It must have been in ancient times, the Shandilya gotra, I mean thousands of years, but it even today you cannot marry the same gotra. You can marry your own father’s sister’s son but you cannot marry same gotra he may be from another village. But from the same village, people would not marry. That was not regarded as good. Just to keep celibacy at the age of education, when they were educated, it was complete celibacy. To maintain they make relationship of brother and sister between the students. You see thats what they did. [Shri Mataji conversing with someone: Unclear] So, this is what they did is to go up to the point of austerity then parshuram came and he just killed all these brahaman because they were of that kind who would just do bhasam. Vishwamitar - the horrible fellow, one of them another one was durwasa- horrible people. Lots of them Sahaj yogi question – So, Vishwamitar [Unclear] Vishwamitar was horrible and later on he goes his realization. But even after becoming a rishi – u see after becoming that he did these horrible things [Unclear]. He tortured the lives of so many people specially of very good being [Unclear]. He was horrible. But at the end of his life, he changed over and he become a good person, he became a saint. But people worship his back days, torturing all. So, now this another face after this one where he find austerity and all this. That people understood that one he has that you just tell, people he have austerity [Unclear] and you know that there is something, you have all the devils with you. So, you enjoying yourself and tell them alright what is in this money? Why should I have this? This is no good for you. You see – you give it up. alright. They put a devil into you and the devil tells you Give all this to babaji. Babaji is the one you must give. Why should you have it like this Satya Sai Baba. One of his affected one came to me and she told me, she is actually my sister in law. She told me.... My brother told me... that baba has given me a ring. I said why? how many rings you are having? He say many. I said why did he gave it to you? I mean if he was such a great revealer, he should reveal this country financial problem. But in India people are seeking money. You see he enjoyed that very much, and he said not only he gave me his blessings twice, What is they’re after all? Even if he has given me an ordinary thing. I would have taken it. Then I said why did you come to me? So, my brother told me there is a big problem. I found from my house diamonds are missing. [ Shri Mataji conversing on other topic [Unclear] I tell you that see still there is a space in it. Everyone laughing [Unclear] ] Now then you see this fellow is I think he has done this austerity business and all of this he has done, and he has lots of ghost in it because he has been for a Narkasura was their fourteen thousand year thousand back. Narkasura was killed and he might have taken, may be one of his horrible people like austerity and all that. He must have one of them something like that. He might have been [Unclear] someone like that. Which are the third, repeat. Put hand or something. Sahaj yogi question – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – Where was he killed Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – where is that? Sahaj yogi – In the middle of somewhere. [Unclear] Warick or somewhere else. Shri Mataji- So you see but still when you see them you can find out from their qualities and the way they are. Find out they come back into sometimes, but they repeat themselves after 2000 years mostly, after 2000 years. Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] They must have seen [Unclear] there was a very interesting woman who die [Unclear] Shri Mataji – What did she say? Sahaj yogi – She was able to see people and see them in their past incarnation and she believe that Maha Shiv but she never says who she was though, She was around the time of Christ and she never say who she actually was, but she was around at the time. and Then the story starts.. you know….. who he was, and what he was, and the pure mythology is broke up on rumour and you know…. people start then believing before you get away from the house. You start believing stories, you know Maha Shiv was this.... Maha shiva was this… [Unclear] and thats how the fear starts because they believe, if he was that person, he must have certain powers and these powers are able to destroy people and that you better do what he says Shri Mataji – I mean they say, was he is good power or evil power at the time of Christ. Sahaj Yogi – No one ever say. Shri Mataji – I mean if she was say, a good power, he could not be better than Christ. Why believe in his? Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] They must be covering up that’s how [Unclear] Another Sahaj yogi -There was a rumor that he was a good person around Shri Mataji – Alright.. I see..., that has to be. You see, Would you say that he is a bad person!!! You see, if you want to spread somebody’s message, you don’t say that person is bad. [Unclear] but it's in such a big way that, you cannot believe how big it is. Now this austerity business, you see – this fellow knows nothing about us. But this fellow tells you alright like Satya Sai baba I was telling you about. My brother was losing his diamonds. You see…. so I asked him.. He was losing his diamonds from his house.. yo u see.. So, I asked about my sister in law, she came.. I put bandhan on her.. She was possessed, but what I can do Somebody in me, put me feel this – all of this is dust and all should be given to baba. I said you are a doctor [Unclear]. Now think, you are a housewife. In India I see every housewife, must wear her ornaments. You see is auspicious. She cannot go out without ornaments, if I don’t have bangles on me, my husband would be upset to see – why the bangles are off. You see, it's so auspicious. I said that is so why should you give your ornaments to this fellow who is Sanyasi, he is not a married man. I said if he was a Sanyasi that should be more than dust to him, if it is dust for you and then you know why this [Unclear] She lost it too. She lost a lot of her diamonds. [Unclear] This is the only bit of jewellery left. My mother gave me a golden watch [Unclear] So much jewellery I lost. Isn’t that truth!! [Unclear] Sahaj Yogi – He materialize things. He knows how to materialize jewellery He disappears jewellery from one place to appears at another[Unclear] Shri Mataji – Thats how he did. Thats how he manages. These are not powers. This is only Spirits doing. If I remove this knife from here to here alright, what is so great. You must think about it. What I am saying you use your brain. Now, what is got interested in moving this knife from here to here. Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] Not at all Shri Mataji – But you don’t see the hand moving. That’s why you must put into the GOD, you must appropriate it with the GOD. How can you do that? But Indians are very much realistics. They think that we must get money. If somebody give them a diamond ring. Ohhh – that’s great but I am surprised. He only gives to the very rich people. I told my brother why didn’t he give it to your chauffeur who had gone with you. Because you have so many diamonds, your wife has so many diamonds. Why did he give it to you? Why doesn’t he solve all the problems? This is the thing people don’t think because they have that problem, they think this is very important. That’s why they do it. Now for you he is trying austerity trick, that like another one who is there. He says You must live very Austere life. Give your purse to me, I will look after that. And give your property to me & also your wife Sahaj yogi – I mean we know someone [Unclear] Shri Mataji – Not yet. We have never had that Sahaja Yogi – [Unclear] Another Sahaja Yogi – There is one girl we know. We see her in a very bad way. Sahaj yogi – She is very in a bad way. She has been rounding and mediating. I know from 9 years. Shri Mataji – She need to [Unclear] Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] you must be very careful. It doesn’t backfire to you.Journalist will be sympathizer to Shri Mataji – They wouldn’t. I will tell you how to work it out. You see how to work it out. I will tell you. Sahaj yogi – The Funny thing happened last week. [Unclear] Shri Mataji – It is just a coincidence, but I would say. That’s why I always feel first of all you get all these people into Sahaj Yoga. Your protection done and then [Unclear]. You must have your protection. You must have the force of GOD behind you. Once you have that, then it’s a very different thing. Sahaj Yogi [Unclear] Do something, but now is not a time. Shri Mataji – You just wait till you all are established in Sahaj Yoga. As you said now, but let’s see that I was thinking of going to Scotland say why can’t we do this? When can if this gurupurnima? Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – Next full moon Sahaj yogi – Next full moon is last night. [Unclear] – 7th of July. Shri Mataji – Is it? Sahaj yogi – First week end in July. 7th is the Sunday. Another Sahaj yogi – [Unclear]She is saying, there is no train on Sunday but that’s doesn’t matter. Shri Mataji – Everybody willcome. Sahaj yogi -We can have people there on say Shri Mataji – Just find out the exact date of Guru Purnima Sahaj yogi –[Unclear] just give me my dairy Shri Mataji – But I think we shouldn’t have Guru Purnima there. First one- you should get realized. You can have any date. Don’t you worry. We have it any date after Guru Purnima. That is how it talks [Unclear]. What is the program? Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji - We have no program in July. So, let us do it from the 3rd of July. Sahaj Yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – Yes, that’s how [unclear]. Guru Puja should be done. Why am I saying it is these new people are coming into Sahaj yoga because no doubt should be gone into their mind. You see - If you put them into Guru Puja how can they start? They will get ideas. So, better think to do slowly and carefully. What I would say – what about 3rd of July or something like that? Sahaj Yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – What’s the day on the 3rd of July? Sahaj Yogi - Tuesday Shri Mataji - 3 days we do. Can you get those people? Sahaj yogi - I will try. Lets see what happen? Someone Crying Shri Mataji - Why is she crying? Sahaj yogi - She want to say sorry. Shri Mataji But why she is saying sorry? It's perfectly alright. For what? You have given me such a sweet child like Maria. What is this you are sorry about? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - [Unclear] After all So many of them recognize me so easily…………………..i am so happy about it. No, she is better on [Unclear] Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - This is another side of life. [Unclear] There are not going to recognize because they have given a wrong [Unclear]. This is another side……. You seek it for money purpose. [Unclear] If someone can remove that, then i think it would be a good change. [Unclear] One criteria is sufficient, Anybody who takes money is fake. Let's say -How many are left, they most of them will be failed. This one small [Unclear]. 2nd would be, those who are interested in women [Unclear] ]It is one of the greatest things [Unclear]. But a Guru, who can say he is saint man [Unclear] he is interested not only in [Unclear]. He is trying another trick of tantrism in which he says - you wear that dress. Alright. A dress which announces that you are a dashed person and you indulge into everything. See - Just a position, you understand that point. You please something and do just a position, to insert something like Sanyasa is the dress of the Sanyasi, is the dress of the person who is detached. A person who has renounced the word and made that person get involved in to very much. You see - you do just the opposite of what one should do by wearing a Sanyasi dress. You have to be really detached person. Such a person should not live in any city or in any village. He can only live in away from the village and that too not more than one night. That’s a man is known as Sanyasi. Sahaj Yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - Thats it. Sahaj Yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - You see to make a woman wear saree and insulted. You see this is the saree is the dress of the goddess. She wears the saree. The whole universe have saree and movement is that way. So, she wears a saree and the goddess is, that’s how you make somebody to wear a saree. You see saree has, I mean the biggest thing of the saree is to keep you modesty. It covers your body. You see it is the housewife thing. All the goddess wear saree. Sahaj yogi [Unclear] Shri Mataji - Just imagine, then to spoil their chastity, to spoil their Gruhalakshmi, that is the sense of being the good housewife. So, just insulting that image which is so holy and that is how they achieve all the negative because it requires terrible.. I should say power or you can say negative power to face this kind of thing like a thief has to be very clever to enter into a say, pack which is guarded. In the same way, a person who can do such a thing,to insult a saree. So, what he does, is to put them in the saree and remove their essence of Gruhalakshmi/housewife that’s the best way of winning them completely, because their Gruhalakshmi completely, they use their left nabhi completely….. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - How would you have children according to them? Sahaj yogi - you done Shri Mataji - Don’t have? Sahaj yogi - No Shri Mataji - That’s it. Now if i [Unclear: find] Germany that not having children. Sahaj yogi - you know, in Germany they believe, I mean, this is the way you get into [Unclear]. They cut tree from the roots. [Unclear] Shri Mataji - The best part is using.. Take away everybody clothes and have a shop for yourself. You see - It’s something like that. Take away everybody money. Take away everybody married life and enjoy them. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji ji - Hello Amma . How are you? Sahaj yogi - Fine Shri Mataji - I am happy. You come. Is he your friend? Sahaj yogi -Chris.. Shri Mataji Chris.. Good name. Is he from the same university? Sahaj yogi - Yes. Shri Mataji - [Unclear] That’s [unclear] and mark. They are going to get married. We are going to have marriage in our Ashram very soon. Sahaj yogi - when? Shri Mataji - On the 29. So, you are all cordially invited for the wedding ceremony. What i was saying about is people. See now, the custom in india is that unmarried girls are the Laxami actually are the essence of the Laxami. They are respected as Laxami not Gruhalakshmi, but as a Laxami in her innocence, as a child and in younger in India who is not yet married, could not dress up in Gold and all that stuff. They are not supposed to do. Only after marriage this is the [Unclear: Alankara]. They have to put.. After marriage.. Sahaj yogi - There are 2 ways of girls Shri Mataji - Not for unmarried girls. It's only for married girls and not for auster people by any chance. You see, it's not too good. It’s that in the ego of the women. You see, that younger get all that. They would like to do it. Only after marriage,they start, you see, ornaments come from the father and mother and the ancient ornaments also coming[Unclear]. Then they started, otherwise not they are.. In India no body thinks in this way, you should lead like a.. Life like a.. what to call hippy sort of the thing. That’s not to be gave into. They will definitely come into if you become like that because you give them an invitation. They come into but everybody has a style of dressing up, even when Sita went with Rama in the Jungle. You see - she was to be [Unclear: detector] because you see all this, we wear this one here, this is for the right hand side, chakra here and this is the right visudhi, protect your right visudhi, so your language is sweet. You see -When you speak, you see, you make that beautiful sound and you talk in such a manner, it make such a delicate you see - delicate feeling, women around, you know, she is there to look after you. She love loves you and its purity. Purity about her. She loves her husband in that way. The rest of them is a pure relationship and so that's why you have to wear it. All this, you see this is the visudhi. This is a sign of marriage and this i wore it, just imagine - this time i have to wear drama on Sahaja. When I was going for a dinner and I had to take out some of my ornaments to go to dinner with my husband. See - When i go with my husband, really very well dressed and that time i had to take [Unclear] but normally for a work like this, I wear a white saree and i wear simpler things, and I don't wear, minimum whatever is required. This is important for a married lady, has to wear this, This is given in the wedding time from the mother's side and this one is important from the husband side. So, mine has given to Mrs. Mehra to wear because mine is very powerful and then you have to wear certain things like red mark here, you have to put red mark from here to here throughout, this is called as Alta. That is to protect a woman from evil coming through her [Unclear: feet] because she walk bare feet and that must be protected. This is the protection and apart from part,they gives us ‘maryda’, the boundaries of the family life. You cannot cross that boundary and that boundary is here, put down here. And then we have also got, another mark is very important mark is red mark. This is also for unmarried girls, but when they are married in UP, they put a mark here which is the ‘Sahastara’ you see - so mostly, the realisation should come after marriage. Mostly, it should normally comes because then you are a complete person. You have married life you know but also before marriage it can come because if you are staying with Guru. When you are having your education and everything, that time Gurus can give it to you because of your innocence, you get it. But after the marriage, when it is crowned, you may get it earlier or later but it is crowned after the marriage. You see - after the marriage and the thing is put here. It is the wife who wears it, not the man. So the wife is very important. She maintains the spiritual balance and the protection of the family. So the Gruhalakshmi is so important, she has to wear all these things all the time. Now this [Unclear: story] you see the story, this is also in the wedding. There is another one here which I am not wearing because i have to wear socks but there is another one, which one has to wear every day after marriage and she has to be always auspiciously dressed and auspiciously living because she represents that power that suttle power which builds the family, looks after the family and that's why she is respected and this Gruhalakshmi power, she has been trying to tackle, on the left hand side of her nabhi, that is typical. Because if you [Unclear: exide] the right side Swadishthana, your left nabhi catches. Say if you are a very great thinker,if you are a bigger planner, if you are planning out things , you possible get out of line, then what happens you get diabetes. You must have seen every day to day life, those who are planner, thinker, they get that because you are using your right side Swadishthana too much. Because of that there is effect on left hand side Nabhi. You neglect your wife, you become harsh to her. You see naturally those who are great planner, those who are organised their offices very well are very unkind to their wives. You see - because their left side becomes weak and left side start becoming weak. Makes your Spleen and Pancreas very weak and that’s how you get diabetes. Sahaj yoga can cure diabetes by giving you balance. It’s a question of balance, you lead an imbalanced life. When you are married, you must love your wife and spend time with her. She is the one who is your companion and she is the one who should be consulted and you must be with her, that should be your greatest choice in life. You see as far as the material side is concerned that’s what is very important, otherwise why should a person like RAMA, who was an incarnation should run after SITA. So, this is the duty of the housewife. In India, we wear such great housewife SATI’s but [Unclear] and use the message of your mother. You also as a mother you say. So, all these things put together and it’s very important for men that there Swadishthana should alright because their left Nabhi should be alright. They get diabetes, They get kidney trouble, then also they become harsh husband, will [Unclear dry] people. They are not going to be have a sex life. So, he has excited, overwork your right Swadishthana and as a result left side frozen. You can say frozen, left nabhi is frozen. So he has a TB but he doesn’t know anything about Chakras. He doesn’t know anything. He has achieved because it happens. Say for example if i take, i don’t know how to drive the car and i press the escalator and the escalators start working and dashes against something.So, the person will say,yes yes, i have done it, but no it was the escalator which it has done, by mistake you put your foot there and it has achieved it, because it was to be.In the same way, if i excite your right side Swadishthana, it impacts your left nabhi, not through any power of knowledge but just by spoiling you, putting you on the ego trip. Those who are on the ego trip, always have a bad Nabhi. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - I know what it is... and moreover it has done it more here... because you were already on that sort of thing and he just got the point and he just pushed it more. Like Rajnish has got another point that you are on the point of melting awake, your morality about sex. So he’s got that point.. So he became guru of that thing... and This fellow has become guru of your ambitions. He is putting ambitions in your [Unclear] Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] It look expensive but it was horrible Shri Mataji - Who has occupied that? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] chocolate box, stylish, decorated Shri Mataji - But who occupied that? Sahaj yogi - Well this is very old. The ladies of the government Shri Mataji - But at least you can see, [Unclear], you can see that he was was so low [Unclear]. You see a person who is of that type. You cannot [Unclear] that person's destiny. Western people have definitely a very great sense of [Unclear: estimates] and he could find it as very easily because lack of [Unclear] colors and form. So, if you find a Guru like that. First of all, [Unclear: see in her petals]. He is zero. He doesn’t understand it. You are a thousand times superior to him. In Intellect much more superior. In intellect, pure intellect, in pure knowledge you are much more. In pure knowledge i am saying. What he knows, is the knowledge of the evil. Sahaj yogi- you see, there is another place, [Unclear] Shri Mataji - You call that thing knowledge?? Knowledge to that evil knowledge!!! Sahaa yogi- Oh No No.. no Shri Mataji- No... What is that called? Tell me Sahaj yogi - Shroud.. Very shroud Shri Mataji - Shroud is a very simple word. Sahaj yogi - Very Shroud, manipulative. Shri Mataji - You see - I will give you a simple word - evil genius. Is it better? Sahaj yogi - Evil genius. Yes. Shri Mataji - That the one, he is Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] The more importantly what he has done to the people.. Shri Mataji - yes… debased!! He has debased... debased completely. Sahj yogi - He has debased something you say is beautiful Shri Mataji - That my concern, Sahaj yogi - That’s my concern. It is something I always spoke against. That’s why sometimes you can ask a lady any reason [Unclear] and whenever he speaks, he wants [Unclear] he kicks everyone out.. Shri Mataji - which meant that? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] I don’t know. Shri Mataji - [Unclear]. Sahaj yogi - There were 700 people in a room. [Unclear] He starts talking and obviously, he influenced in a way because i mean last [Unclear] Its not just one people.. There are thousands of people out there.. Thousands of people… They are all being in the name of spirituality Shri Mataji - I am saying from heart. I am saying what i think about him. I say they want to make money. Let them make. They want to be Thugs.. Let them be whatever they want. But how dare to touch you in the name of spirituality. They are touching your kundalini. You see - how can they... in the name of God. In the name of God of Course there are many... but to touch your kundalini!!!! You see - they have gone very deep. They put into your superego, they put into your left nabhi which is the base [Unclear]. Now, should I also think what she is also thinking about how [unclear] is going to be saved. Sahaj Yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - That’s why you have to build it up very carefully. What I am saying is you have to build up the base very carefully. You see - in such a manner that when they are away from it... they should not fall into it back.... You see [Unclear], it can do that, they can just wait for them to fall into [Unclear], then they will start to say, because you see you left me that’s why it happened. Because you see [Unclear] is consuming you all the time but while consuming you also just need that. You will all be shocked so much, inside so much shock, that by that shock only you might get into some sort of trouble. [Unclear] Sahaj Yogi - and there is no concern for these people. You [Unclear] there was this woman specify, the person who is in charge of the people having…..yo know.. all the people who are mediating in this country. She used to write the monthly report and when we were having enough time..One of the girls asked.. What do you do of all these monthly reports.. She said what reports.. The all monthly reports.. They are all unopened & they could [Unclear: bring all the troubles. & there was this trouble] We know one person who wrote help to her home over a year [Unclear] Shri Mataji - She doesn’t [Unclear] those letters. Alright? Sahaja Yogi: No Shri Mataji: You see - [Unclear] Now it's good for my Sahaj yogi. Sahaj yogi – then he say [Unclear]. You are supposed to put A, B or C. A is for good, B is for bad….. Shri Mataji - Permanently they are branded. Sahaj yogi -You brand yourself. You say with your month’s experience are good, bad or indifferent or terrible. Shri Mataji -But How do you brand yourself? Sahaj yogi - Just the way you feel? If you know how you feel... Shri Mataji - So that’s why you just make up stories and say - I am A. Sahaj yogi - yes Shri Mataji - But he is not interested Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] They said well we don’t want you to be here anymore. They talk that you are not of good vibrations. Shri Mataji - They talk of vibrations... Alright. ? Sahaj yogi - vibes are one of the thing, bad vibes Shri Mataji - Where did they get those words - vibrations? Sahaj yogi - It's common…. in explanation. Shri Mataji - I think since I went their in some 70’s Another Sahaj yogi - Yes Sahaj yogi - It's from the hippy in 60’s. You know the california thing.[Unclear] It’s also the same sort of.. You know... Another Sahaj yogi - When they come out, things like Another Sahaj yogi - I didn’t want their [Unclear] because of very very wealthy woman. I didn’t know what it was? Shri Mataji - Everything is past. Sahaj yogi - And [Unclear] Another Sahaj yogi – she is very pretty Sahaj yogi – She is wealthy to the extreme and I said Tremanda.. Who paid this? What are they telling you? [Unclear] and just say it is ridiculous.People are stressing [Unclear].. Nothing is being [Unclear] the money no one know where the money going. [Unclear]. She wrote it all down. & then. She supposedly talked to “mahaShri”..[Unclear] enjoy the moments… enjoy the night.. If there is any problem in this country. [Unclear] This is it.. Shri Mataji – What is it? Sahaj yogi – I say this is it. This is nonsense. You know people having particular problem.. When Lili was having her problem… I spoke to MahaShri in front of 400-500 people in hall… & I said MahaShri because none of them have guts to say anything. That’s the one of thing you dont talk about and I said MahaShri. Certain people are having certain experiences of they feel that , they are leaving their body and they get very frightened.. They are getting death experiences.. They get very frightened experiences. [Unclear] biggest idiot there and that was it. You laugh & that was end of it... and everyone else laugh … laugh. Another Sahaj yogi – They all laugh very well. Sahaj yogi – You know – and we know all of them are suffering from it. The people don’t want to say anything about it. [Unclear]. Its like a spider web, you just hang on the thread. What happen when that thread snaps? You just left after that. Shri Mataji - Because already he is burnt most of your boats. Sahaj yogi – the person reaches there have nothing. They have nothing. They have no training. They left school. They didn’t have any training. They have nothing. they left school.. they left to meditate young..they left school.. They go straight into teacher training course. They spend 3 or 6 months which cost them anything up to 2500 - 3000 pounds to do that... then become four times [Unclear] for 10 years. Then they are not trained in anything else [Unclear]. What they do [Unclear]. They look to work in private then [Unclear] What is it? [Unclea] And they are fifteen- twenty thousand people. [Unclear] and their knowledge is so miniscule, They even talk and any of them.. I mean they are like [Unclea: Cats] Shri Mataji – They are shallow Sahaj yogi – They are very harsh. No heart. Shri Mataji – They just go deep and it’s all made up like this. Sahaj yogi – and they go up with a very set propaganda thing. You know – [Unclear], then you got all the anxiety of exams [Unclear] why do we have to pay 40 pounds. Well you see.. If you don’t pay 40 pounds then there is no meaning to it and you are westerner and you hold money as a … as a.. Shri Mataji- Symbol of meaning. Sahaj yogi - yeah... if you don’t pay then you don’t do it. You give up.. Why do we have to pay 1200 pounds without doing course.. you see.. city is ours Other sahaja Yogini: This is the same thing they did to us.[Unclear] But people came for 2 weeks [Unclear] & stayed at our place… they were definitely not paying 1500 bucks a week.. And after the course we went to [Unclear] Shri Mataji - so, you must have starved, eaten potates [Unclear] Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - But Peter who did that .. telling Sahaj yogi - Who’s running the course.. [Unclear] We went their at a time. [Unclear] Anyway, we left Shri Mataji - I would say at a stage there must be some people who are having [Unclear]. I am sure of that at a certain stage like you said a lady [Unclear] that’s sort. That’s done. You see.. So, they must be paying to their hands at a point. But all of you were sort of didn’t understand and we are trying.. You see couldn’t get out of it. That was the point. Sahaj yogi - The thing is like a person highly positive. [Unclear] Another Sahaj yogi - This is mad. This is crazy. Sahaj yogi - You know.. I mean, the interesting thing was that when MahaShri was speaking in public. He was a certain character and when He meets in private he was a completely different person. He said… Don’t worry… Everything would be alright. You don't have to worry about money and open the door and then… change like that. Like that… You become a completely different man. Shri Mataji - About what he say? Sahaj yogi - Well for instance, there was one chance, when i am working in [Unclear]. I was working in the architectural department. Building.. The building was huge.. [Unclear] and they had bill for 60000 francs of electricity bill and Electricity goes and they hadn’t paid the bill for some time. So, the decision was by the electricity board they switch off electricity for the entire village because they didn’t pay the bill. [Unclear]. So the community, whole community operates in the small community. So community is like a council of this area, then council came to ask architectural department and demand 60000 francs So, there was this public meeting. So, one man stood up asks the person in-charge and asks why this money hasn’t been paid? Pay it…. (incomplete conversation) A lady with a child come.Child is crying. Shri Mataji - No no.. Mooladhara and left visudhi. Now, it’s lot. Shri Mataji asking from a lady - Where were you born(in Hindi)? Shri Mataji asking from a child - (in Hindi) what happen? Should i give you something to eat? Do you want a banana? Do you want to eat it? Come here. Child crying again Shri Mataji to lady - (in Hindi) Throw this photo away. Because of this my hand is not working. It is happening due to this photo. It is too hot. Sahaj yogi - Jai Shri Mataji. I have to go now. I have to gives sahaj yoga in [Unclear] Shri Mataji - When? Sahaj yogi - This afternoon at 2:00 clock. Shri Mataji - ok.. Good.. May God Bless you. And [Unclear] Sahaj yogi - See you in Balgarnium Shri Mataji - Definitely. May God Bless you. You are going too? Sahaj yogi - No, I am not going. Shri Mataji - so, i have to tell you about baby. He had a supra-conscious ghost on it. And i have put it out.. Gone out. Now.. He is alright. So, you take him [Unclear] I cleared that first day. But this one was very bad when she gave him. Now he doesn’t shake. He is alright. So, you take him out. He is alright. He himself confessed, he was giving ideas of ego and all that. Now, he is alright. He will be alright. Don’t you worry. Things are being easier for them. Actually they came for the program and they telephoned me to come alone here in the program. There is no program That’s good. They came on their ownall and there was certain things, I asked her to remove. I am coming on the.. What date? Sahaj yogi - 16th Shri Mataji - Alright. May God Bless you. I hope you will be coming in one of the programs. Sahaj yogi - Yeah Shri Mataji - Good Sahaj yogi going Shri Mataji - May God Bless you. May God Bless you. Child playing now. Shri Mataji - What’s his name? Sahaj yogi -Derek Shri Mataji - Derek is his name? Shri Mataji - Somebody says a gentleman comes to house whose name is joshi. What does he do for a living? Sahaj yogi - My husband discovering [unclear: his wealth. He just found.] Shri Mataji - Are you feeling cold in hands? Sahaj yoga - Yes, I am feeling Shri Mataji - What is the occupation of the Joshi? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Satya Naryan Katha Shri Mataji - When did you do? These are all businesses for money. Sahaj yogi - I don’t have his photo of Joshi. Shri Mataji - whom photo do you have? Sahaj yogi - i have a photo of Bal Yogeshwar. Shri Mataji - [angrily] He attacks the child. He is a very bad man. First remove his photo. Sahaj yogi - When coming from India, photo was also brought. Shri Mataji - First remove the photo. Just beat that Bal Yogeshwar, a horrible fellow. Beat him out. Just see - this child had got it from that Bal Yogeshwar fellow. Due to him, children suffer from a very bad disease. Child talks with Shri Mataji Shri Mataji talking to a child- You are liking it. You can take it. This is good. You can eat. You are liking it. Have it… Take it.. Yes its lemon.. Take it.. Eat it. Shri Mataji talking to Yogis- That horrible Bal Yogeshwar. He killed so many people. Why you need him? Do you know? His 14 years(age) pupil get a punishment. You don’t know. In switzerland.. You didn’t read. Woman - I don’t know anything about him. Shri Mataji - That Johiji.. ... Anyway.. don’t invite such kind of people at home. All the ghosts are in your home. At Least remove the photo of Bal Yogeshwar. Otherwise he will attack the child again. Thank God you told me. They didn’t tell yesterday? One child had suffered through Leukemia .. cancer because of Bal Yogeshwar. Don’t go to all these types of things. Shri Mataji - Ask from yourself.. Are you ‘AdiShakti’? Ask this question? You do mediation of Jagdamba. So you ask.. Are you Jagdamba? [Unclear] Woman asking question from Shri Mataji- My husband wants to do some business. He brought a shop. Another Sahaj yogi - Everything will be alright?. Will he be running shop alright? Shri Mataji - First of all you must be alright inside... clear your Devtas, then everything will be alright. If all Devtas are happy everything will be alright. And all devtas are inside us only. So, first clear your devtas. (Child playing now) Shri Mataji - Child is alright now. Is he looking alright now? Is he normal? Does he do like this normally? Does he play like this normally? [Unclear] Shri Mataji - She is asking you. She is opening their shop. Sahaj yogi - yes, she told me. Shri Mataji - What i said, that is also important. If inside you are alright, if there is Laxmi’s blessing, everything will be alright. Sahaj yogi - Blessing will work. Don’t worry about anything. Shri Mataji - Be alright. He is very good - I must say. What’s your name? Sahaj yogi - Chris Shri Mataji - Chris.. You are doing well. Are you feeling alright? Give him bandhan though.. Give him bandhan because this child [Unclear] Shri Mataji explaining to someone - Just a child has come. Whose mother is worshipping the Bal Yogeshwar. She also had caught up. What’s your name? Sahaj yogi - Vijaya Shri Mataji - his? Sahaj yogi - Amin [Some activities are going on] Shri Mataji to child: Come... Come to me… [child starts crying] Shri Mataji: Ok.. No.. no.. no..ok.. Take it.. Take it.. see.. You see - a little child can bring it. Just see - how he caught up. Now look at me. Don’t do all these types of things. Remove the black thread worn in the hand. Don’t wear black in hand. You can wear red but not black. Never take photos of all these Guru’s or such bad people. Child suffer through all this. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - you see it works out in the same way. See - what's going on left Nabhi…. It is horrible. Do you also feel angry? Insomnia issues. These are the symptoms. See everybody is feeling. Now you are also feeling. A child has got it. Everybody is feeling. You see - this is a collective conscious. You see - all of you are feeling that. [Unclear] Bring the child. Better?? Feeling Better?? Good.. Now do you feel cool breeze? Mother to child - Say Jai Jai” [asking child to bow down/worship]..... Shri Mataji - Its alright...Now, Are you feeling peace? Say the Lord’s prayer - 3 times Everyone singing Lord’s prayer Shri Mataji - Better now.. See his chakra Agnya Mother to child - Asking him again to bow down. Shri Mataji - Did you take kumkum? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Mother to child - Asking him again to bow down...Jai jai..Jai.. Jai. Shri Mataji - Please come here. Are your parents disciples of Bal yogeshwar? Woman - No, brother of my father in law Shri Mataji - Did he get any benefit. Woman - Dont know Shri Mataji - Then don’t take his name. If you are not getting any benefit, why to go there!!! Then don’t go. Mother to child - Asking him again to bow down…. Jai Jai [Many activities going on….] Mother to child - Asking him again to bow down…. Jai Jai.. jai jai [Child starts crying] Shri Mataji - Don’t force him. he will not listen. He will be alright. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - How are you? How many sister you are? Sahaj yogi - 3 sister. Shri Mataji - You all are come from... Sahaj yogi - Malhari Shri Mataji - Ok. I have been there. Is she going to some guru or some. No.. you know her.. Have you ever gone to these horrible people?..No.. What about these Supra Nature business... No.. [Unclear] Put your left hand on me and right to [Unclear].. Better now? Much better? How are you? Linda how are you? [Unclear] I can do anything to your eyes. [Unclear] Shri Mataji working on yogis What are you studying Sahaj yogi- [Unclear] Shri Mataji - you suddenly get nervous sometimes?? or depressed?? Yes Shri Mataji - you get Nervous and Depressed some time. You shouldn’t go in the night out a door. Otherwise also. Not travel in night.. Say at least walk around after say 10’o clock Shri Mataji talking to Yogi.. How is your mother? Alright?.. How is your father? Alright?.. Both of them are alright?? You have good relations with them? [Unclear]

Maria's House Day 2, Northampton (UK), 9 June 1979. [Unclear] Because He must have been trained by a real tantric house, how to displease another one's Krishna. Because if Krishna is challenged, you see he is the one who gives you the feeling of the whole, you see, you start feeling, you are a part of the whole because he is the whole. He is the primordial Virata. So Krishna [Unclear: Sister] by Digi his name, by crazy him, delight them[Unclear] he crosses all the plus, later on, I think maybe, I don't know how the things must have happened. He thinks also there is the power of mother working. You see, so he wants to learn that also. So he gives the mantra of –'Shri', 'aim', 'hrim', 'kleem'- these are the mantra of- Mahakali, Mahalaxmi ,mahasaraswati. iem is mahakali- left hand side, - very dangerous, it is whole of subconscious, you said em is normal. but rim is also called as Shri at a point. At this point is called as Shri. So, you can say, these words are the short forms of mahakali, mahalaxmi and mahasaraswati. So, What she does as a [Unclear: transformer] - he discrete all this stages and overpower your areas, your chakras where this deities are resides actually he breaks them like this [Unclear] better not [unclear] This one is left hand side and this is right side- all right – left sympathetic and right sympathetic and the center is sushmana is the parasympathetic Inside of the deities place at every center What he does, he uses sympathetic system by fooling them off. By making for you first of all you take this mantra. So by doing that effort first of all, you get right Vishuddhi, which all of you have got i.e. right vishuddhi, because if you say a mantra, you see, it immediately came down there – right Vishuddhi is take- went off. Sneezing is nothing but right Vishuddhi [Unclear: open curve]. So, this right Vishuddhi is the – it also get spoiled because he makes you remember and that means, he makes you put your physical effort to remember that mantra, isn't it. So your right side is unauthorized, you have no business to do it, so you got your right Vishuddhi, all of you must suffer from Cold[Unclear]because If you use that kind of right Vishuddhi then possibly also, your left Vishuddhi is spoiled why? - because it is unauthorized – first physical exertion and second the unauthorized you are taking them, and thirdly he makes you even more substantial by putting guilt in your mind. That if you don't do this, that will happen. This is the fear side. Question to Shri Mataji – you know one of the techniques is the[Unclear] See, now – you are saying mantra this time, putting your attention in the heart. So, all the negative forces are drawn into the heart, it sort of channelized then which is only Krishna’s mantra if you give, there only one chakra is spoiled but spoiled drastically. IT cannot be spoiled so much Even by smoking 100 cigarettes per day. It runs very well – this visudhi but after spoiling that, then he is also interested in other chakras. So he gives you another mantra like mantra of Shrin. You can better be Shrin, your right side is [Unclear] then a ghost put there, there is a spirit it. One it is heavenly, there is a void in that area [Unclear]. The name of the fellow is Shrin, he resides in that area. I don’t know if you have that system but we have in Maharashtra. If that if I come say from Nagpur they called areas Nagpur girl like Londona, your surname could be a Londana. So they have called area in between [Unclear]. Also, they have gotten some sort of [unclear : mother] also readers of the delegation which are named like ing, bing, indya, pindya and all this. [Unclear: This is not any chance you see], so Main Chakras that he has captured is this one. as, He works on that. also on this, specially on the right hand side because he works more on right because he believes in supraconscious. When the superconscious spirits are brought in, you become over ambitious. You start getting ideas, how to agonize, how to do this & how to do that and that’s how you so much[Unclear] spreading this [Unclear] because they give you ideas, [Unclear] make this thing. They also give you an idea how to explain certain things. What happens to you, How pulse go that – in all scientific terminology. You see, they give you ideas. These are the some of scientists who have died and who have never satisfied with the progress they made. They didn’t have sufficient satisfaction of their success. So, they come very handy. They come & give you ideas. So all things start on the right side. It's all superconscious work. He tries Shrim and all that. I think he also think of iem. Iem is left hand side and [Unclear: it's the hotchpotch he is tied to] . I don’t know, he also know all the chakras and but that’s all . You see this started, I must tell you how it must have started because like you see. I also feel I must be , it's my little chance to do that [Unclear] – little benefit of doubt. In the beginning, what must have happened, they must have put in lot of effort to get into their [Unclear: senses] and may be that some of them must have been to real gurus and must have been discarded by these gurus and then they must have tried to mediate and find out themselves- all sort of activities – the original tantrica [Unclear: activities –] while working too hard, what happens that when you work too hard with sympathetic practices you may go around the chakras. So that, you can see the chakras like this chaos of [Unclear: easter], beyond[Unclear]. They were not in it. In Sahajyoga , I don’t see you pass through center but these people go round the chakras and they must have seen , you see going round the chakra. First thing, they must have seen- must be trunk of Shri ganesha on mooldhara. You see, they must have felt that’s yes that’s the kundalini at the mooldhara. So they must have this feelings. They must have thought sex to do something with Mooldhara. So they must have tried the sex business. Sex in a funny way, perverted sex. We haven’t seen sexo yogini [Unclear] Then you see, first they started with over indulgence in these things like Saxo yogini business Rajneesh started, you see . May be first they to do that kind of thing[Unclear] then they must have been fond of this. So, these people go nutty and they are possessed, and they are destroyed. So, they must have tried another way now, that is to do some thing called as not actually do the sex but do require [Unclear] So, out of them, came out the kapalikas and you see, if you read our tantrism [Unclear]. Did you read the book of tantrism? that sort of people came. and they started having young girls with them, keeping them and not to have any relationship with them. They would try their sort of celibacy with the young girls who stayed with them and ultimately they would kill that girl like a bunny to the mother. Imagine what a thing!! and that’s how by doing all these things they got power, they got more dirty people coming out. Child crying. Shri Mataji asking – That little Kid!! how is he? Was he better? He slept better. Is he better now? Now lift your bag Answer by Sahaja Yogi - It's better that its not gone. It's still there. Shri Mataji having conversation- Put this one on left nabhi -[unclear] Shri Mataji continues –So, ultimately you see, they must have, another set of experiment with this Kapalika. In third one’s came who went into – severe austerity like they would not look at a woman. They would not go near a woman and just have nothing to do with that and just become severely Austere... very Austere... absolutely dried up being and These people developed a power by which they could curse anyone, they would [Unclear] they will become ‘bhasm’. They will just curse and it used to happen. These were the powers also of the supraconscious and they thought they are very powerful people like that they are many like horrible ones. There is no question of evolution or salvation but they could only develop a set of power by which they could just burn you off and could achieve results. And that’s what they did. And this austerity sort of things started is wearing these kashaye vastr, wearing this rob of a sanyasi. Now when this sanyasi, you see this thing started, Parshurama came to finish them. Parshurama came out. He killed lots of horrible people. They called themselves brahamin. Thats why parshuram killed brahamin, you see. Why Parshurama killed Brahmin, because of the same reason, because of these brahamin. They had started with the austerity. You see it's all movement in the center at point. If you move too much from the center, the center life is a happy married life, sensible normal life with the husband. Austerity and all those thing were not meant for a married man neither for a person who was grown up but it was meant for a time when 75 years of your has passed, when your wife is lost or your husband is lost, then you give sanyas. There was no question of people taking a Sanyasa in a way that was say [Unclear] because you see all the guru have their wives. All the guru has their wives. You can make out the guru from the gotras, you see, gotra is the name of the university where the small children at the age of say up to the age of 25 years studied from 5 years of small children up to 25 years, the name of the university was gotra. If you say my gotra is Shandilya, then I can’t marry a man from the same gotra. It must have been in ancient times, the Shandilya gotra, I mean thousands of years, but it even today you cannot marry the same gotra. You can marry your own father’s sister’s son but you cannot marry same gotra he may be from another village. But from the same village, people would not marry. That was not regarded as good. Just to keep celibacy at the age of education, when they were educated, it was complete celibacy. To maintain they make relationship of brother and sister between the students. You see thats what they did. [Shri Mataji conversing with someone: Unclear] So, this is what they did is to go up to the point of austerity then parshuram came and he just killed all these brahaman because they were of that kind who would just do bhasam. Vishwamitar - the horrible fellow, one of them another one was durwasa- horrible people. Lots of them Sahaj yogi question – So, Vishwamitar [Unclear] Vishwamitar was horrible and later on he goes his realization. But even after becoming a rishi – u see after becoming that he did these horrible things [Unclear]. He tortured the lives of so many people specially of very good being [Unclear]. He was horrible. But at the end of his life, he changed over and he become a good person, he became a saint. But people worship his back days, torturing all. So, now this another face after this one where he find austerity and all this. That people understood that one he has that you just tell, people he have austerity [Unclear] and you know that there is something, you have all the devils with you. So, you enjoying yourself and tell them alright what is in this money? Why should I have this? This is no good for you. You see – you give it up. alright. They put a devil into you and the devil tells you Give all this to babaji. Babaji is the one you must give. Why should you have it like this Satya Sai Baba. One of his affected one came to me and she told me, she is actually my sister in law. She told me.... My brother told me... that baba has given me a ring. I said why? how many rings you are having? He say many. I said why did he gave it to you? I mean if he was such a great revealer, he should reveal this country financial problem. But in India people are seeking money. You see he enjoyed that very much, and he said not only he gave me his blessings twice, What is they’re after all? Even if he has given me an ordinary thing. I would have taken it. Then I said why did you come to me? So, my brother told me there is a big problem. I found from my house diamonds are missing. [ Shri Mataji conversing on other topic [Unclear] I tell you that see still there is a space in it. Everyone laughing [Unclear] ] Now then you see this fellow is I think he has done this austerity business and all of this he has done, and he has lots of ghost in it because he has been for a Narkasura was their fourteen thousand year thousand back. Narkasura was killed and he might have taken, may be one of his horrible people like austerity and all that. He must have one of them something like that. He might have been [Unclear] someone like that. Which are the third, repeat. Put hand or something. Sahaj yogi question – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – Where was he killed Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – where is that? Sahaj yogi – In the middle of somewhere. [Unclear] Warick or somewhere else. Shri Mataji- So you see but still when you see them you can find out from their qualities and the way they are. Find out they come back into sometimes, but they repeat themselves after 2000 years mostly, after 2000 years. Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] They must have seen [Unclear] there was a very interesting woman who die [Unclear] Shri Mataji – What did she say? Sahaj yogi – She was able to see people and see them in their past incarnation and she believe that Maha Shiv but she never says who she was though, She was around the time of Christ and she never say who she actually was, but she was around at the time. and Then the story starts.. you know….. who he was, and what he was, and the pure mythology is broke up on rumour and you know…. people start then believing before you get away from the house. You start believing stories, you know Maha Shiv was this.... Maha shiva was this… [Unclear] and thats how the fear starts because they believe, if he was that person, he must have certain powers and these powers are able to destroy people and that you better do what he says Shri Mataji – I mean they say, was he is good power or evil power at the time of Christ. Sahaj Yogi – No one ever say. Shri Mataji – I mean if she was say, a good power, he could not be better than Christ. Why believe in his? Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] They must be covering up that’s how [Unclear] Another Sahaj yogi -There was a rumor that he was a good person around Shri Mataji – Alright.. I see..., that has to be. You see, Would you say that he is a bad person!!! You see, if you want to spread somebody’s message, you don’t say that person is bad. [Unclear] but it's in such a big way that, you cannot believe how big it is. Now this austerity business, you see – this fellow knows nothing about us. But this fellow tells you alright like Satya Sai baba I was telling you about. My brother was losing his diamonds. You see…. so I asked him.. He was losing his diamonds from his house.. yo u see.. So, I asked about my sister in law, she came.. I put bandhan on her.. She was possessed, but what I can do Somebody in me, put me feel this – all of this is dust and all should be given to baba. I said you are a doctor [Unclear]. Now think, you are a housewife. In India I see every housewife, must wear her ornaments. You see is auspicious. She cannot go out without ornaments, if I don’t have bangles on me, my husband would be upset to see – why the bangles are off. You see, it's so auspicious. I said that is so why should you give your ornaments to this fellow who is Sanyasi, he is not a married man. I said if he was a Sanyasi that should be more than dust to him, if it is dust for you and then you know why this [Unclear] She lost it too. She lost a lot of her diamonds. [Unclear] This is the only bit of jewellery left. My mother gave me a golden watch [Unclear] So much jewellery I lost. Isn’t that truth!! [Unclear] Sahaj Yogi – He materialize things. He knows how to materialize jewellery He disappears jewellery from one place to appears at another[Unclear] Shri Mataji – Thats how he did. Thats how he manages. These are not powers. This is only Spirits doing. If I remove this knife from here to here alright, what is so great. You must think about it. What I am saying you use your brain. Now, what is got interested in moving this knife from here to here. Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] Not at all Shri Mataji – But you don’t see the hand moving. That’s why you must put into the GOD, you must appropriate it with the GOD. How can you do that? But Indians are very much realistics. They think that we must get money. If somebody give them a diamond ring. Ohhh – that’s great but I am surprised. He only gives to the very rich people. I told my brother why didn’t he give it to your chauffeur who had gone with you. Because you have so many diamonds, your wife has so many diamonds. Why did he give it to you? Why doesn’t he solve all the problems? This is the thing people don’t think because they have that problem, they think this is very important. That’s why they do it. Now for you he is trying austerity trick, that like another one who is there. He says You must live very Austere life. Give your purse to me, I will look after that. And give your property to me & also your wife Sahaj yogi – I mean we know someone [Unclear] Shri Mataji – Not yet. We have never had that Sahaja Yogi – [Unclear] Another Sahaja Yogi – There is one girl we know. We see her in a very bad way. Sahaj yogi – She is very in a bad way. She has been rounding and mediating. I know from 9 years. Shri Mataji – She need to [Unclear] Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] you must be very careful. It doesn’t backfire to you.Journalist will be sympathizer to Shri Mataji – They wouldn’t. I will tell you how to work it out. You see how to work it out. I will tell you. Sahaj yogi – The Funny thing happened last week. [Unclear] Shri Mataji – It is just a coincidence, but I would say. That’s why I always feel first of all you get all these people into Sahaj Yoga. Your protection done and then [Unclear]. You must have your protection. You must have the force of GOD behind you. Once you have that, then it’s a very different thing. Sahaj Yogi [Unclear] Do something, but now is not a time. Shri Mataji – You just wait till you all are established in Sahaj Yoga. As you said now, but let’s see that I was thinking of going to Scotland say why can’t we do this? When can if this gurupurnima? Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – Next full moon Sahaj yogi – Next full moon is last night. [Unclear] – 7th of July. Shri Mataji – Is it? Sahaj yogi – First week end in July. 7th is the Sunday. Another Sahaj yogi – [Unclear]She is saying, there is no train on Sunday but that’s doesn’t matter. Shri Mataji – Everybody willcome. Sahaj yogi -We can have people there on say Shri Mataji – Just find out the exact date of Guru Purnima Sahaj yogi –[Unclear] just give me my dairy Shri Mataji – But I think we shouldn’t have Guru Purnima there. First one- you should get realized. You can have any date. Don’t you worry. We have it any date after Guru Purnima. That is how it talks [Unclear]. What is the program? Sahaj yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji - We have no program in July. So, let us do it from the 3rd of July. Sahaj Yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – Yes, that’s how [unclear]. Guru Puja should be done. Why am I saying it is these new people are coming into Sahaj yoga because no doubt should be gone into their mind. You see - If you put them into Guru Puja how can they start? They will get ideas. So, better think to do slowly and carefully. What I would say – what about 3rd of July or something like that? Sahaj Yogi – [Unclear] Shri Mataji – What’s the day on the 3rd of July? Sahaj Yogi - Tuesday Shri Mataji - 3 days we do. Can you get those people? Sahaj yogi - I will try. Lets see what happen? Someone Crying Shri Mataji - Why is she crying? Sahaj yogi - She want to say sorry. Shri Mataji But why she is saying sorry? It's perfectly alright. For what? You have given me such a sweet child like Maria. What is this you are sorry about? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - [Unclear] After all So many of them recognize me so easily…………………..i am so happy about it. No, she is better on [Unclear] Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - This is another side of life. [Unclear] There are not going to recognize because they have given a wrong [Unclear]. This is another side……. You seek it for money purpose. [Unclear] If someone can remove that, then i think it would be a good change. [Unclear] One criteria is sufficient, Anybody who takes money is fake. Let's say -How many are left, they most of them will be failed. This one small [Unclear]. 2nd would be, those who are interested in women [Unclear] ]It is one of the greatest things [Unclear]. But a Guru, who can say he is saint man [Unclear] he is interested not only in [Unclear]. He is trying another trick of tantrism in which he says - you wear that dress. Alright. A dress which announces that you are a dashed person and you indulge into everything. See - Just a position, you understand that point. You please something and do just a position, to insert something like Sanyasa is the dress of the Sanyasi, is the dress of the person who is detached. A person who has renounced the word and made that person get involved in to very much. You see - you do just the opposite of what one should do by wearing a Sanyasi dress. You have to be really detached person. Such a person should not live in any city or in any village. He can only live in away from the village and that too not more than one night. That’s a man is known as Sanyasi. Sahaj Yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - Thats it. Sahaj Yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - You see to make a woman wear saree and insulted. You see this is the saree is the dress of the goddess. She wears the saree. The whole universe have saree and movement is that way. So, she wears a saree and the goddess is, that’s how you make somebody to wear a saree. You see saree has, I mean the biggest thing of the saree is to keep you modesty. It covers your body. You see it is the housewife thing. All the goddess wear saree. Sahaj yogi [Unclear] Shri Mataji - Just imagine, then to spoil their chastity, to spoil their Gruhalakshmi, that is the sense of being the good housewife. So, just insulting that image which is so holy and that is how they achieve all the negative because it requires terrible.. I should say power or you can say negative power to face this kind of thing like a thief has to be very clever to enter into a say, pack which is guarded. In the same way, a person who can do such a thing,to insult a saree. So, what he does, is to put them in the saree and remove their essence of Gruhalakshmi/housewife that’s the best way of winning them completely, because their Gruhalakshmi completely, they use their left nabhi completely….. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - How would you have children according to them? Sahaj yogi - you done Shri Mataji - Don’t have? Sahaj yogi - No Shri Mataji - That’s it. Now if i [Unclear: find] Germany that not having children. Sahaj yogi - you know, in Germany they believe, I mean, this is the way you get into [Unclear]. They cut tree from the roots. [Unclear] Shri Mataji - The best part is using.. Take away everybody clothes and have a shop for yourself. You see - It’s something like that. Take away everybody money. Take away everybody married life and enjoy them. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji ji - Hello Amma . How are you? Sahaj yogi - Fine Shri Mataji - I am happy. You come. Is he your friend? Sahaj yogi -Chris.. Shri Mataji Chris.. Good name. Is he from the same university? Sahaj yogi - Yes. Shri Mataji - [Unclear] That’s [unclear] and mark. They are going to get married. We are going to have marriage in our Ashram very soon. Sahaj yogi - when? Shri Mataji - On the 29. So, you are all cordially invited for the wedding ceremony. What i was saying about is people. See now, the custom in india is that unmarried girls are the Laxami actually are the essence of the Laxami. They are respected as Laxami not Gruhalakshmi, but as a Laxami in her innocence, as a child and in younger in India who is not yet married, could not dress up in Gold and all that stuff. They are not supposed to do. Only after marriage this is the [Unclear: Alankara]. They have to put.. After marriage.. Sahaj yogi - There are 2 ways of girls Shri Mataji - Not for unmarried girls. It's only for married girls and not for auster people by any chance. You see, it's not too good. It’s that in the ego of the women. You see, that younger get all that. They would like to do it. Only after marriage,they start, you see, ornaments come from the father and mother and the ancient ornaments also coming[Unclear]. Then they started, otherwise not they are.. In India no body thinks in this way, you should lead like a.. Life like a.. what to call hippy sort of the thing. That’s not to be gave into. They will definitely come into if you become like that because you give them an invitation. They come into but everybody has a style of dressing up, even when Sita went with Rama in the Jungle. You see - she was to be [Unclear: detector] because you see all this, we wear this one here, this is for the right hand side, chakra here and this is the right visudhi, protect your right visudhi, so your language is sweet. You see -When you speak, you see, you make that beautiful sound and you talk in such a manner, it make such a delicate you see - delicate feeling, women around, you know, she is there to look after you. She love loves you and its purity. Purity about her. She loves her husband in that way. The rest of them is a pure relationship and so that's why you have to wear it. All this, you see this is the visudhi. This is a sign of marriage and this i wore it, just imagine - this time i have to wear drama on Sahaja. When I was going for a dinner and I had to take out some of my ornaments to go to dinner with my husband. See - When i go with my husband, really very well dressed and that time i had to take [Unclear] but normally for a work like this, I wear a white saree and i wear simpler things, and I don't wear, minimum whatever is required. This is important for a married lady, has to wear this, This is given in the wedding time from the mother's side and this one is important from the husband side. So, mine has given to Mrs. Mehra to wear because mine is very powerful and then you have to wear certain things like red mark here, you have to put red mark from here to here throughout, this is called as Alta. That is to protect a woman from evil coming through her [Unclear: feet] because she walk bare feet and that must be protected. This is the protection and apart from part,they gives us ‘maryda’, the boundaries of the family life. You cannot cross that boundary and that boundary is here, put down here. And then we have also got, another mark is very important mark is red mark. This is also for unmarried girls, but when they are married in UP, they put a mark here which is the ‘Sahastara’ you see - so mostly, the realisation should come after marriage. Mostly, it should normally comes because then you are a complete person. You have married life you know but also before marriage it can come because if you are staying with Guru. When you are having your education and everything, that time Gurus can give it to you because of your innocence, you get it. But after the marriage, when it is crowned, you may get it earlier or later but it is crowned after the marriage. You see - after the marriage and the thing is put here. It is the wife who wears it, not the man. So the wife is very important. She maintains the spiritual balance and the protection of the family. So the Gruhalakshmi is so important, she has to wear all these things all the time. Now this [Unclear: story] you see the story, this is also in the wedding. There is another one here which I am not wearing because i have to wear socks but there is another one, which one has to wear every day after marriage and she has to be always auspiciously dressed and auspiciously living because she represents that power that suttle power which builds the family, looks after the family and that's why she is respected and this Gruhalakshmi power, she has been trying to tackle, on the left hand side of her nabhi, that is typical. Because if you [Unclear: exide] the right side Swadishthana, your left nabhi catches. Say if you are a very great thinker,if you are a bigger planner, if you are planning out things , you possible get out of line, then what happens you get diabetes. You must have seen every day to day life, those who are planner, thinker, they get that because you are using your right side Swadishthana too much. Because of that there is effect on left hand side Nabhi. You neglect your wife, you become harsh to her. You see naturally those who are great planner, those who are organised their offices very well are very unkind to their wives. You see - because their left side becomes weak and left side start becoming weak. Makes your Spleen and Pancreas very weak and that’s how you get diabetes. Sahaj yoga can cure diabetes by giving you balance. It’s a question of balance, you lead an imbalanced life. When you are married, you must love your wife and spend time with her. She is the one who is your companion and she is the one who should be consulted and you must be with her, that should be your greatest choice in life. You see as far as the material side is concerned that’s what is very important, otherwise why should a person like RAMA, who was an incarnation should run after SITA. So, this is the duty of the housewife. In India, we wear such great housewife SATI’s but [Unclear] and use the message of your mother. You also as a mother you say. So, all these things put together and it’s very important for men that there Swadishthana should alright because their left Nabhi should be alright. They get diabetes, They get kidney trouble, then also they become harsh husband, will [Unclear dry] people. They are not going to be have a sex life. So, he has excited, overwork your right Swadishthana and as a result left side frozen. You can say frozen, left nabhi is frozen. So he has a TB but he doesn’t know anything about Chakras. He doesn’t know anything. He has achieved because it happens. Say for example if i take, i don’t know how to drive the car and i press the escalator and the escalators start working and dashes against something.So, the person will say,yes yes, i have done it, but no it was the escalator which it has done, by mistake you put your foot there and it has achieved it, because it was to be.In the same way, if i excite your right side Swadishthana, it impacts your left nabhi, not through any power of knowledge but just by spoiling you, putting you on the ego trip. Those who are on the ego trip, always have a bad Nabhi. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - I know what it is... and moreover it has done it more here... because you were already on that sort of thing and he just got the point and he just pushed it more. Like Rajnish has got another point that you are on the point of melting awake, your morality about sex. So he’s got that point.. So he became guru of that thing... and This fellow has become guru of your ambitions. He is putting ambitions in your [Unclear] Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] It look expensive but it was horrible Shri Mataji - Who has occupied that? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] chocolate box, stylish, decorated Shri Mataji - But who occupied that? Sahaj yogi - Well this is very old. The ladies of the government Shri Mataji - But at least you can see, [Unclear], you can see that he was was so low [Unclear]. You see a person who is of that type. You cannot [Unclear] that person's destiny. Western people have definitely a very great sense of [Unclear: estimates] and he could find it as very easily because lack of [Unclear] colors and form. So, if you find a Guru like that. First of all, [Unclear: see in her petals]. He is zero. He doesn’t understand it. You are a thousand times superior to him. In Intellect much more superior. In intellect, pure intellect, in pure knowledge you are much more. In pure knowledge i am saying. What he knows, is the knowledge of the evil. Sahaj yogi- you see, there is another place, [Unclear] Shri Mataji - You call that thing knowledge?? Knowledge to that evil knowledge!!! Sahaa yogi- Oh No No.. no Shri Mataji- No... What is that called? Tell me Sahaj yogi - Shroud.. Very shroud Shri Mataji - Shroud is a very simple word. Sahaj yogi - Very Shroud, manipulative. Shri Mataji - You see - I will give you a simple word - evil genius. Is it better? Sahaj yogi - Evil genius. Yes. Shri Mataji - That the one, he is Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] The more importantly what he has done to the people.. Shri Mataji - yes… debased!! He has debased... debased completely. Sahj yogi - He has debased something you say is beautiful Shri Mataji - That my concern, Sahaj yogi - That’s my concern. It is something I always spoke against. That’s why sometimes you can ask a lady any reason [Unclear] and whenever he speaks, he wants [Unclear] he kicks everyone out.. Shri Mataji - which meant that? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] I don’t know. Shri Mataji - [Unclear]. Sahaj yogi - There were 700 people in a room. [Unclear] He starts talking and obviously, he influenced in a way because i mean last [Unclear] Its not just one people.. There are thousands of people out there.. Thousands of people… They are all being in the name of spirituality Shri Mataji - I am saying from heart. I am saying what i think about him. I say they want to make money. Let them make. They want to be Thugs.. Let them be whatever they want. But how dare to touch you in the name of spirituality. They are touching your kundalini. You see - how can they... in the name of God. In the name of God of Course there are many... but to touch your kundalini!!!! You see - they have gone very deep. They put into your superego, they put into your left nabhi which is the base [Unclear]. Now, should I also think what she is also thinking about how [unclear] is going to be saved. Sahaj Yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - That’s why you have to build it up very carefully. What I am saying is you have to build up the base very carefully. You see - in such a manner that when they are away from it... they should not fall into it back.... You see [Unclear], it can do that, they can just wait for them to fall into [Unclear], then they will start to say, because you see you left me that’s why it happened. Because you see [Unclear] is consuming you all the time but while consuming you also just need that. You will all be shocked so much, inside so much shock, that by that shock only you might get into some sort of trouble. [Unclear] Sahaj Yogi - and there is no concern for these people. You [Unclear] there was this woman specify, the person who is in charge of the people having…..yo know.. all the people who are mediating in this country. She used to write the monthly report and when we were having enough time..One of the girls asked.. What do you do of all these monthly reports.. She said what reports.. The all monthly reports.. They are all unopened & they could [Unclear: bring all the troubles. & there was this trouble] We know one person who wrote help to her home over a year [Unclear] Shri Mataji - She doesn’t [Unclear] those letters. Alright? Sahaja Yogi: No Shri Mataji: You see - [Unclear] Now it's good for my Sahaj yogi. Sahaj yogi – then he say [Unclear]. You are supposed to put A, B or C. A is for good, B is for bad….. Shri Mataji - Permanently they are branded. Sahaj yogi -You brand yourself. You say with your month’s experience are good, bad or indifferent or terrible. Shri Mataji -But How do you brand yourself? Sahaj yogi - Just the way you feel? If you know how you feel... Shri Mataji - So that’s why you just make up stories and say - I am A. Sahaj yogi - yes Shri Mataji - But he is not interested Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] They said well we don’t want you to be here anymore. They talk that you are not of good vibrations. Shri Mataji - They talk of vibrations... Alright. ? Sahaj yogi - vibes are one of the thing, bad vibes Shri Mataji - Where did they get those words - vibrations? Sahaj yogi - It's common…. in explanation. Shri Mataji - I think since I went their in some 70’s Another Sahaj yogi - Yes Sahaj yogi - It's from the hippy in 60’s. You know the california thing.[Unclear] It’s also the same sort of.. You know... Another Sahaj yogi - When they come out, things like Another Sahaj yogi - I didn’t want their [Unclear] because of very very wealthy woman. I didn’t know what it was? Shri Mataji - Everything is past. Sahaj yogi - And [Unclear] Another Sahaj yogi – she is very pretty Sahaj yogi – She is wealthy to the extreme and I said Tremanda.. Who paid this? What are they telling you? [Unclear] and just say it is ridiculous.People are stressing [Unclear].. Nothing is being [Unclear] the money no one know where the money going. [Unclear]. She wrote it all down. & then. She supposedly talked to “mahaShri”..[Unclear] enjoy the moments… enjoy the night.. If there is any problem in this country. [Unclear] This is it.. Shri Mataji – What is it? Sahaj yogi – I say this is it. This is nonsense. You know people having particular problem.. When Lili was having her problem… I spoke to MahaShri in front of 400-500 people in hall… & I said MahaShri because none of them have guts to say anything. That’s the one of thing you dont talk about and I said MahaShri. Certain people are having certain experiences of they feel that , they are leaving their body and they get very frightened.. They are getting death experiences.. They get very frightened experiences. [Unclear] biggest idiot there and that was it. You laugh & that was end of it... and everyone else laugh … laugh. Another Sahaj yogi – They all laugh very well. Sahaj yogi – You know – and we know all of them are suffering from it. The people don’t want to say anything about it. [Unclear]. Its like a spider web, you just hang on the thread. What happen when that thread snaps? You just left after that. Shri Mataji - Because already he is burnt most of your boats. Sahaj yogi – the person reaches there have nothing. They have nothing. They have no training. They left school. They didn’t have any training. They have nothing. they left school.. they left to meditate young..they left school.. They go straight into teacher training course. They spend 3 or 6 months which cost them anything up to 2500 - 3000 pounds to do that... then become four times [Unclear] for 10 years. Then they are not trained in anything else [Unclear]. What they do [Unclear]. They look to work in private then [Unclear] What is it? [Unclea] And they are fifteen- twenty thousand people. [Unclear] and their knowledge is so miniscule, They even talk and any of them.. I mean they are like [Unclea: Cats] Shri Mataji – They are shallow Sahaj yogi – They are very harsh. No heart. Shri Mataji – They just go deep and it’s all made up like this. Sahaj yogi – and they go up with a very set propaganda thing. You know – [Unclear], then you got all the anxiety of exams [Unclear] why do we have to pay 40 pounds. Well you see.. If you don’t pay 40 pounds then there is no meaning to it and you are westerner and you hold money as a … as a.. Shri Mataji- Symbol of meaning. Sahaj yogi - yeah... if you don’t pay then you don’t do it. You give up.. Why do we have to pay 1200 pounds without doing course.. you see.. city is ours Other sahaja Yogini: This is the same thing they did to us.[Unclear] But people came for 2 weeks [Unclear] & stayed at our place… they were definitely not paying 1500 bucks a week.. And after the course we went to [Unclear] Shri Mataji - so, you must have starved, eaten potates [Unclear] Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - But Peter who did that .. telling Sahaj yogi - Who’s running the course.. [Unclear] We went their at a time. [Unclear] Anyway, we left Shri Mataji - I would say at a stage there must be some people who are having [Unclear]. I am sure of that at a certain stage like you said a lady [Unclear] that’s sort. That’s done. You see.. So, they must be paying to their hands at a point. But all of you were sort of didn’t understand and we are trying.. You see couldn’t get out of it. That was the point. Sahaj yogi - The thing is like a person highly positive. [Unclear] Another Sahaj yogi - This is mad. This is crazy. Sahaj yogi - You know.. I mean, the interesting thing was that when MahaShri was speaking in public. He was a certain character and when He meets in private he was a completely different person. He said… Don’t worry… Everything would be alright. You don't have to worry about money and open the door and then… change like that. Like that… You become a completely different man. Shri Mataji - About what he say? Sahaj yogi - Well for instance, there was one chance, when i am working in [Unclear]. I was working in the architectural department. Building.. The building was huge.. [Unclear] and they had bill for 60000 francs of electricity bill and Electricity goes and they hadn’t paid the bill for some time. So, the decision was by the electricity board they switch off electricity for the entire village because they didn’t pay the bill. [Unclear]. So the community, whole community operates in the small community. So community is like a council of this area, then council came to ask architectural department and demand 60000 francs So, there was this public meeting. So, one man stood up asks the person in-charge and asks why this money hasn’t been paid? Pay it…. (incomplete conversation) A lady with a child come.Child is crying. Shri Mataji - No no.. Mooladhara and left visudhi. Now, it’s lot. Shri Mataji asking from a lady - Where were you born(in Hindi)? Shri Mataji asking from a child - (in Hindi) what happen? Should i give you something to eat? Do you want a banana? Do you want to eat it? Come here. Child crying again Shri Mataji to lady - (in Hindi) Throw this photo away. Because of this my hand is not working. It is happening due to this photo. It is too hot. Sahaj yogi - Jai Shri Mataji. I have to go now. I have to gives sahaj yoga in [Unclear] Shri Mataji - When? Sahaj yogi - This afternoon at 2:00 clock. Shri Mataji - ok.. Good.. May God Bless you. And [Unclear] Sahaj yogi - See you in Balgarnium Shri Mataji - Definitely. May God Bless you. You are going too? Sahaj yogi - No, I am not going. Shri Mataji - so, i have to tell you about baby. He had a supra-conscious ghost on it. And i have put it out.. Gone out. Now.. He is alright. So, you take him [Unclear] I cleared that first day. But this one was very bad when she gave him. Now he doesn’t shake. He is alright. So, you take him out. He is alright. He himself confessed, he was giving ideas of ego and all that. Now, he is alright. He will be alright. Don’t you worry. Things are being easier for them. Actually they came for the program and they telephoned me to come alone here in the program. There is no program That’s good. They came on their ownall and there was certain things, I asked her to remove. I am coming on the.. What date? Sahaj yogi - 16th Shri Mataji - Alright. May God Bless you. I hope you will be coming in one of the programs. Sahaj yogi - Yeah Shri Mataji - Good Sahaj yogi going Shri Mataji - May God Bless you. May God Bless you. Child playing now. Shri Mataji - What’s his name? Sahaj yogi -Derek Shri Mataji - Derek is his name? Shri Mataji - Somebody says a gentleman comes to house whose name is joshi. What does he do for a living? Sahaj yogi - My husband discovering [unclear: his wealth. He just found.] Shri Mataji - Are you feeling cold in hands? Sahaj yoga - Yes, I am feeling Shri Mataji - What is the occupation of the Joshi? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Satya Naryan Katha Shri Mataji - When did you do? These are all businesses for money. Sahaj yogi - I don’t have his photo of Joshi. Shri Mataji - whom photo do you have? Sahaj yogi - i have a photo of Bal Yogeshwar. Shri Mataji - [angrily] He attacks the child. He is a very bad man. First remove his photo. Sahaj yogi - When coming from India, photo was also brought. Shri Mataji - First remove the photo. Just beat that Bal Yogeshwar, a horrible fellow. Beat him out. Just see - this child had got it from that Bal Yogeshwar fellow. Due to him, children suffer from a very bad disease. Child talks with Shri Mataji Shri Mataji talking to a child- You are liking it. You can take it. This is good. You can eat. You are liking it. Have it… Take it.. Yes its lemon.. Take it.. Eat it. Shri Mataji talking to Yogis- That horrible Bal Yogeshwar. He killed so many people. Why you need him? Do you know? His 14 years(age) pupil get a punishment. You don’t know. In switzerland.. You didn’t read. Woman - I don’t know anything about him. Shri Mataji - That Johiji.. ... Anyway.. don’t invite such kind of people at home. All the ghosts are in your home. At Least remove the photo of Bal Yogeshwar. Otherwise he will attack the child again. Thank God you told me. They didn’t tell yesterday? One child had suffered through Leukemia .. cancer because of Bal Yogeshwar. Don’t go to all these types of things. Shri Mataji - Ask from yourself.. Are you ‘AdiShakti’? Ask this question? You do mediation of Jagdamba. So you ask.. Are you Jagdamba? [Unclear] Woman asking question from Shri Mataji- My husband wants to do some business. He brought a shop. Another Sahaj yogi - Everything will be alright?. Will he be running shop alright? Shri Mataji - First of all you must be alright inside... clear your Devtas, then everything will be alright. If all Devtas are happy everything will be alright. And all devtas are inside us only. So, first clear your devtas. (Child playing now) Shri Mataji - Child is alright now. Is he looking alright now? Is he normal? Does he do like this normally? Does he play like this normally? [Unclear] Shri Mataji - She is asking you. She is opening their shop. Sahaj yogi - yes, she told me. Shri Mataji - What i said, that is also important. If inside you are alright, if there is Laxmi’s blessing, everything will be alright. Sahaj yogi - Blessing will work. Don’t worry about anything. Shri Mataji - Be alright. He is very good - I must say. What’s your name? Sahaj yogi - Chris Shri Mataji - Chris.. You are doing well. Are you feeling alright? Give him bandhan though.. Give him bandhan because this child [Unclear] Shri Mataji explaining to someone - Just a child has come. Whose mother is worshipping the Bal Yogeshwar. She also had caught up. What’s your name? Sahaj yogi - Vijaya Shri Mataji - his? Sahaj yogi - Amin [Some activities are going on] Shri Mataji to child: Come... Come to me… [child starts crying] Shri Mataji: Ok.. No.. no.. no..ok.. Take it.. Take it.. see.. You see - a little child can bring it. Just see - how he caught up. Now look at me. Don’t do all these types of things. Remove the black thread worn in the hand. Don’t wear black in hand. You can wear red but not black. Never take photos of all these Guru’s or such bad people. Child suffer through all this. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - you see it works out in the same way. See - what's going on left Nabhi…. It is horrible. Do you also feel angry? Insomnia issues. These are the symptoms. See everybody is feeling. Now you are also feeling. A child has got it. Everybody is feeling. You see - this is a collective conscious. You see - all of you are feeling that. [Unclear] Bring the child. Better?? Feeling Better?? Good.. Now do you feel cool breeze? Mother to child - Say Jai Jai” [asking child to bow down/worship]..... Shri Mataji - Its alright...Now, Are you feeling peace? Say the Lord’s prayer - 3 times Everyone singing Lord’s prayer Shri Mataji - Better now.. See his chakra Agnya Mother to child - Asking him again to bow down. Shri Mataji - Did you take kumkum? Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Mother to child - Asking him again to bow down...Jai jai..Jai.. Jai. Shri Mataji - Please come here. Are your parents disciples of Bal yogeshwar? Woman - No, brother of my father in law Shri Mataji - Did he get any benefit. Woman - Dont know Shri Mataji - Then don’t take his name. If you are not getting any benefit, why to go there!!! Then don’t go. Mother to child - Asking him again to bow down…. Jai Jai [Many activities going on….] Mother to child - Asking him again to bow down…. Jai Jai.. jai jai [Child starts crying] Shri Mataji - Don’t force him. he will not listen. He will be alright. Sahaj yogi - [Unclear] Shri Mataji - How are you? How many sister you are? Sahaj yogi - 3 sister. Shri Mataji - You all are come from... Sahaj yogi - Malhari Shri Mataji - Ok. I have been there. Is she going to some guru or some. No.. you know her.. Have you ever gone to these horrible people?..No.. What about these Supra Nature business... No.. [Unclear] Put your left hand on me and right to [Unclear].. Better now? Much better? How are you? Linda how are you? [Unclear] I can do anything to your eyes. [Unclear] Shri Mataji working on yogis What are you studying Sahaj yogi- [Unclear] Shri Mataji - you suddenly get nervous sometimes?? or depressed?? Yes Shri Mataji - you get Nervous and Depressed some time. You shouldn’t go in the night out a door. Otherwise also. Not travel in night.. Say at least walk around after say 10’o clock Shri Mataji talking to Yogi.. How is your mother? Alright?.. How is your father? Alright?.. Both of them are alright?? You have good relations with them? [Unclear]

6/11/1979

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How Aspects of God are expressed within us

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"How Aspects of God are Expressed within us," Caxton Hall, London (UK). 11 June 1979. ...Thank you. Come along. See those who are... You come in front, all right? Better thing is that the new people sit in front. It's better. Yes. Hello. Good. Very good. So I would like to give you a little idea about this picture that we have in front of us (chakra chart). Now whom we call as God Almighty, the One who is eternal, who doesn't incarnate, who is all the time there watching the play of His Power, the Primordial Mother, is manifested through Her Power into His three aspects here, clearly, within ourselves and within the Primordial Being who is the ultimate which all the created people have to reach. Now there's a difference between the two, the Almighty, God, as you call Him, the One who never incarnates, and the One who incarnates on this Earth and occupies a position like this, just like a human being, and He's called as a Primordial Being or you can say the Viraata, you can call Him the Viraat. Actually, though He's called as ‘Primordial Being’, He's an aspect of God. So these are two things if you understand, I will be able to explain to you how the aspects of God are expressed in us. So the first aspect of God is His desire to create, His desire to create and in His desire to create ... (Oh, you were outside there Linda, I didn't recognise. Come along, I'm sorry I didn't recognise you, I never recognised you, I'm sorry, I never recognised. I thought, “Who is this one?” I’m sorry. So, this side would be better.) So His desire to manifest, His desire to create, that's the aspect within us which is represented by this blue colour line which is called as the Adi Ida Nadi, or you can call it the primordial Ida channel by which He desires. Now as a desire can be born and can be finished off, can be switched off, in the same way, His desire to create also can be over. His desire to create any more may be over. His desire not to create for the time being could be there. So if you understand your desires, you can understand His desire also to create and that's why when He does not desire to have it anymore, the creation He can destroy. So He is the One through which we exist and through which we are destroyed, too. So He's the One who manifests existence and destruction of Creation. That's why He is called as Destroyer. This aspect is represented by the principle of Shiva; which never incarnates because this principle is the one which is the germ, which is the beginning and which is the end of everything. Like a seed becomes the seed ultimately, in the same way this Shiva Tattwa, this principle of Shiva, germinates, creates and then it again becomes the same principle. That's why the principle of Shiva never changes. It is called as Shiva, means it is permanent, it is eternal. The rest of Them go into manifestations. So first He desired and He wanted to create. So He had to have His aspect of Creator being put in and the second aspect of Creator (aside: can you show [them]?) is the, this yellow line that shows here is the Pingala Nadi, called as Adi Pingala, the Primordial Pingala channel by which He has created this Universe. Now the centre of this figure you can find this green round circle and this one is the one, is the space in which He created. He created in this space and that's why this space is called as Bhavasagara. Is the Ocean of Creation. ‘Bhava' is the one that is created. Bhu, Bhava means the one... exactly it is the one that is done; bhava is done, means created. So the Creator then produces all the stars and the, all the galaxies, solar plexus, lunar plexuses, all the so-called mandalas. He does all that work. But as you would say that first of all this blue line, if you follow it up, goes absolutely to the first centre, here. Now this line represents, though it manifests the Shiva principle, it is manifested or, you can say, it's carried on, through the power of Shiva that is known as Mahakali. That's the power of Mahakali which descends up to the lowest point there which is the first centre that is created by Mahakali Herself, and this centre is called as the Mooladhara Chakra. On this She has created first of all the first deity, the first we can call the Aradhya Devata. The one deity which is to be worshipped first in this whole world is the deity that is the embodiment of innocence. So innocence was the first thing that was created by God, and not cunningness. Cunningness is our by-product, you see. He created innocence and holiness and that’s how he put the deity there and that deity is called as Shri Ganesha. It's a, later on you will know that the same embodiment of innocence incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. Now this is a very, very important chakra or the centre about which I will tell you later on. But then after creating this, you see, God is a very, I should say, a very, very compassionate and affectionate being. He is the source of all our compassion and affection because He resides in the heart as Shiva there - you can see His place there. And then He wanted to produce somebody who would - after creating this. First He created the chakra for the innocence. That was the most primarily important thing, was to create innocence on this earth, to protect people. Innocence is auspiciousness, is called as mangalakari. Is the one that gives you auspiciousness. Now about auspiciousness also they have had a tape with them, you can ask them what it gives. And it is a thing that was first created, means that for us the blessings were created even before He started creating these galaxies. So He created a place in the space from where He could emit His blessings on this earth. So secondly, then, He, before even creating the Creator, He just thought, "Let Me put Him up. Let Me have another aspect manifested," which is the central, centre path, in the - from the centre path which is known as the Sushumna, is the centre path of sustenance, of your dharma. Before creating anything else He created this one because this is the centre of seeking, is the centre of seeking. And this seeking was created even from the smallest of animals you know. When amoeba was created he's had a seeking. Otherwise he would never have evolved. And the, of course, the seeking changed its mode and its tone but there was a seeking first implanted at that point and for that He had to create a deity of His aspect of sustenance which was called as Shri Vishnu. His power is Mahalakshmi which is that channel, is the centre power. Now the third one that He created out of it actually [UNCLEAR]. These are from here, what He made first of all from here is very formal and [INAUDIBLE for about 15 sec] and this power is called as the power of Mahasaraswati. So you have got three powers of Mahakali, Mahasaraswati and Mahalakshmi. This universe then was created through galaxies and through many ... solar systems and if you happen to read one of the so-called article of Mine on solar plexus or on the creation itself you will know how we were created very carefully, how the earth was created, how it was taken away. Part of it was taken away from the sun, taken very far away first and then adjusted, brought to a point where life could grow. All that was done and so the earth was created. Now the first chakra, as I told you, is the Ganesha's chakra. Now this chakra is most important for us because this is the centre of Shri Ganesha who is the son of Mahakali's residual power which we can call as the Gauri. It is that, you can see in the centre, it's also called as the Kundalini. After creating the whole thing, I mean desiring the whole thing, He put part of that - that's why we call it residual power - into that Kundalini, the Adi Kundalini which would record all that is happening within and later on when the time comes it would give you your second birth. So this is the Kundalini here. It is placed in three and a half coil because three and a half coil brings forth eternal movement like your watches which are, say, automatic are... also have got three and a half coils just to put it in automatic way. That's how this idea must have come to somebody that we should put three and a half coils to have automatic watches, you see. So this is the three and a half coils there placed. And that's the Mother. That's the Mother. That's the Virgin. That's the One sitting down there. Now this is the Mother who had not yet met Her husband but was married, but still a virgin. And the story is very interesting how She created Ganesha. She was worried that somebody may come inside the bathroom so She, out of Her body these things, what you call mala, the dirt on Her body, She took out some soil or clay that we use in India for washing the hands. Our clay is very good. And She put all the clay and took it out and made out of that a Ganesha. And put Him down there, at that point because She wanted somebody to protect Her. (Somebody has come? If you lock the door, how will I know? It's all right) So this protection was created there for Her. But actually that's the One is also protecting Her protocol. That means this chakra nobody can enter into. Nobody can touch it. Through this centre anybody who tries to come in will be punished. Now, those people who say that Kundalini can be risen through sex are, I must say, either sadly mistaken or are sinister people, because that's the centre is to protect Her protocol. He never would allow anybody to enter through that point because that is the point which regulates and controls the sex. So that is a very, very holy place through which you cannot enter. The reason is, say, if there is mud and if there is all kind of filth, best thing is to put there the most purest form of deity who'd never gets embellished or who does not get hurt or in any way involved into that filth. So He, being the purest, He was placed there. Like Christ came on this earth to a place, like horrible place like Bethlehem and all this, just because there was no other way out, you see. He was the only one who could come there and sustain these people who wanted to crucify Him later on. So He came down later but this embodiment of innocence was put there. Innocence is a thing which never is cunning and intelligent as you think intelligence is supposed to be. It's very different type of intelligence it has got that it just works out. You may be any amount of intelligence you may have and you may try to trick the innocence by any chances or by any, any sort of fraudulent ways. You cannot cheat. Innocence is above all that. And that is what was very important and that's why He was placed there. Now the people who have been practicing this kind of a nonsensical stuff like going to Kundalini through the sex are really doing a very abusive and horrible thing to their own Mother, who is the Kundalini. Kundalini is your Mother. She has been with you for ages and She has been waiting for this day when you could get your Realisation. So those who try such tricks on the Kundalini, on their Mother, you can imagine how much they should be punished. That's why so many people get all these horrible experiences, of getting blisters in the body, they get heat in the body, sometimes they get a temperature and they get stuck up and all sort of things happen because of this kind of unauthorised behaviour. The another thing could be to freeze this Ganesha, is to become a person who is absolutely running away from sex. One does not have to run away from sex because sex is one of the activities of Ganesha because He's a child, He doesn't understand what is sex is. He's abodh. He's innocent. He doesn't know that sex is something. You see, He has no consciousness of it. Like a child when He sees sex, for Him it is just like seeing flowers so nothing... he, he doesn't understand it. After a certain age only people start understanding it. So those people who also run away from sex are equally the same because there's nothing to run away and there's nothing to run to. It has to be understood at this point that sex has to be a very sacred and a secret thing between two personalities that is husband and wife who should be really married, collectively. A marriage which is done secretly somewhere and marriage secretly done somewhere is always brings problems. So marriage must be done in a open way and should be sanctioned collectively. Marriage is not an institution came to human beings from somewhere outside, but it has come to them from within. God Himself has brought this institution within them and it is to be respected in full way. And family life is the basis, absolutely the basis of human beings. Every human being must have a nest to grow when they are children. We are playing havoc with this principle of family life everywhere and we are really out to ruin our children through abandoning the norms that are required for a human life. I mean, we have taken up everything into our hands, you see, as if we can do whatever we feel. Perhaps by that we do not realise how we are giving no fair chance to our children to grow in a proper, secure place. So family life is a very important thing and must be dealt with in a way, the way you do a Puja, you do a worship. The home is a temple where you must have all the holy things, to give children the holiness, the innocence that is required for them to continue. Here if you find now the children are so precocious, sometimes you are shocked the way they are precocious because the parents talk all these things in their presence and they say, "What's wrong?" Like you are teaching children about sex. What is there to teach? I really can't understand. What is there to teach? Every dog, every, I mean all these birds, everybody, they know what sex is. Oh, no, human beings need a teaching out of it. I mean, Indians who are supposed to be most uneducated people, they are doing much better than all of you are doing here. It beats me to understand how you people start thinking about teaching everything, even sex. You see, it is of course to be guided properly through family channels but not to be talked so openly, you know. In the beginning it was very difficult for Me even to open My mouth. But when I saw the whole thing is so filled with it, let Me talk about it. Because it is not to be talked, it is not to be mentioned, it's a very sacred thing between husband and wife and to be kept as sacred. But if you excite it too much, from the childhood if you give ideas and all that, you see unnaturally people are brought up in that way into a very unnatural atmosphere and you become nothing but a sex point. The amount of, you see, importance is given to sex life, you see, as if, as if they are impotent. I mean, it is something like that. It amounts to that, the way people are, it's such a natural thing. It's such a spontaneous thing. It's available to everyone. What is there for people to think so much about it and plan about it, talk about it and make the whole thing so vulgar? There are certain rules and regulations that are to be followed. I mean, you have to be very, very chaste about it and there's a certain protocol and certain beauty of making it a secret. The more I find now here people, I'm just talking about the West because we are concerned with Western problems. Indians have another type which I will tell you later. They have another horrible types of problems but this is another type we have. Like a, like we find two people going up the escalator, they must kiss, you see. They shouldn't miss one point even. Every step they must go on kissing. All right. And where are you going? To the divorce court, that's what it is. You know, it's so absurd. There is no deep understanding of the marriage institution. We cannot exist without marriage institution. Marriage institution is a gift of God to human beings and not to animals. We are not going to become again animals. They study the sexual behavior of, say, of fishes. I mean, are you going to become fishes now? Are we to learn from pigs? I mean, have we gone that low that we have to go down up to fishes' level and find out how to behave? I mean, it's absurd. So this is this centre which is very important and it's very sacred, but the other side I told you that is to running away from sex. On this point I would like to speak because perhaps I have not spoken so much as that. This is another craze that people have, is to suppress the sex, is to have nunneries, to have places like where the fathers are living in a very unnatural manner, create situations where there is no husband-wife relation existing. I would say Navy has this problem, too. And thank God now Navy has decided to have women on board and the wives on board, you see. And actually it has working wonders because they are very good husbands, people have found out, and it gives them some chance to exist normally. I mean, imagine that every port you get, you get some new girl and end to a complication, fighting with another. All sorts of problems come up. This multi, multi-women business is going to make you mad. I mean, to live with one woman itself it's sufficient. But to have many women is much more dangerous. So the another thing starts. See, human beings are like that. If they cannot they'll go one side, complete indulgences. They'll have ten women, get hit, beaten up, finished by that, absolutely broken up, becoming insolvent. Ultimately they are left like that. Then they become sadhus. To the other end they will go. They become the sadhus and the sadhus start, you see, then, "Give up sex. Have nothing to do. Don't see a woman. Just you can't bear her." You see, this is madness. Why go from one extreme to another extreme? Why not see it in a poised and a proper manner that marriage is important, husband-wife is an important thing. But that's not the end of life there also. But still running away from it is something one cannot explain. Otherwise why God has made you women and men? One should understand about it. And secondly, those who run away like that, I mean if the women run away, God save this world, but if men run away what do they get? You see, they run away from it to another, another style. And what happens with that? You just have a look here. This is the chakra of the Devi which [UNCLEAR] to run away from. Now there is no way. You cannot go to this one because it is a... this is the one which is [UNCLEAR]. Thus your attention is just from there you go. There is no attention at all. No attention there [UNCLEAR]. [UNCLEAR] convert your fat into a proper fat which can be consumed by brain. So as soon as you do that you start thinking about sex. That is what it is. People are not spontaneous but they are thinking. They'll plan out about it. Everything is planned out and then what happens you start thinking about it but you don't have any sex. So the people who say, "We are nuns, we are nuns," they are thinking about it all the time. But they do not have the actual thing which should be done. It would be something like eating food with your nose, try to push your food through your nose. You see that there is no thinking needed for this and you start thinking about it. So they start thinking. How can they get rid of it? You just tell Me. There's no sublimation, so-called sublimation and all that nonsense. If there is no chance of sublimation only the attention will move. How will you sublimate this part when there is a barrier here and this one is as the special one sitting there, with a big rod in his hand? We call it as the parasha. How do you cross that point? You cannot just cross it. So what you do? You remove your attention from there and predict. Now this is the one which we call as the, also called as the sun line. It's the sun line, called as sun line. So you move towards the sun. That's why you people are such worshippers of sun. Now, then burn your body. You see, you will not have sex but burn your body and make yourself look what you call that brown colour and do all kind of nonsensical things to your body. Be unkind to it. Try to do your level best to ruin it. That's what you do. And then this sun line starts acting. Now, sun line takes you away from the left side. You see that if too much activity starts here it's because your whole attention goes on this side and it is...[UNCLEAR]. That's why you become extremely dry. I mean, such a person, I would say Hitler, Hitler was nothing but this. Hitler had no feelings left in him at all. There was no emotional thing left in him. He was drained out. And all these yogis also of this type have this. Like we had a guru in our, you see, in Durvasa. I mean, if he'd looked at somebody he would burn off. Just imagine. Such horrible ones, what are they going to do for the emancipation of human beings? What are they going to do for the Kalyana, for the betterment of human beings who haven't got a grain of love within them? All your idea of love is drained out. Then you must have heard about these gurus, that the way they are. Most of them I've seen, even the realised ones, needs lot of love within them. I've seen so many realised ones also but they believe in beating the people. You know, anybody comes to them, first of all they'll put a big chimta on them, hit them, cut. "Oh, you are not good." They, they test your head by hitting. And you know, sometimes tears would roll down My eyes seeing all that cruelty. I said, "How can you do this to them?" They said, "You don't know these human beings. They deserve it. We were like that. Now we are better." I said, "What are you better? You are hitting the same way." But they are realised people. Can you imagine? Even without knowing much about love they get Realisation and then they start saying, "Now, go into absolute vairanth." Take the case of our Buddha. Now Buddha was one of the very great incarnations in the sense that He was the son, one of the sons of Rama who incarnated on this earth, Buddha, to occupy the highest life on this earth. So He had to take sanyasa because without that He could not show that. But there was no need for anybody else to take sanyasa. But in His case mistakes, I mean, why there were some mistakes about things, because when He tried all these tricks of sanyasa, going here and there He never realised that this is all not needed. He was so tired and fagged out, that suddenly, spontaneous, the Primordial Mother Herself gave Him the realisation because He was so tired. Now supposing this is Caxton Hall. To come here you go to, say, Reading, then you go to in the north to Leeds, then you go this side and then you go to Brighton and come back here. And you tell everybody, "If you have to go to Caxton Hall you better do all that." It is just like that. It is just like that, very misleading. Because when He found it out, as you have found out too, you do not realise how you have found it. You do not know how you have done it. If I do not tell you that it is God who has done it, how are you going to believe it? You will think, "I've done Self-realisation, all right. I am a self-realised person." Self is most important. That's why He believed this Anishvarvad means atheism. He said, "There is no God. Only thing, the Self is to be achieved." Naturally, because there was nobody to tell Him that you have achieved through the grace of the Primordial Mother. So He was to be born again as one of the sons of Fatimabai who was the daughter of Mohammed Sahib. Then again He was to be born as Markandeya and again as Shankaracharya, just to neutralise what He has been preaching. So you will see that in the sixth century Shankaracharya is the one who put end to Buddhism, the nonsense of Buddhism in India. Because apart from what Buddha's understanding of the whole thing is His disciples made it so perverse that somebody had to come down to tell that marriage system has to be re-established. And this is how this right side was controlled through various incarnations coming down. But now we come to the centre point, is the Vishnu Tattwa, as I told you, the principle of sustenance within us. By this sustenance force only we have within us our dharma, means we are human beings. Human beings have to have some sustenance. Otherwise he would have two horns. He would have a tail hanging around. But he does not. He doesn't have. Why human beings do not have horns? Why do not they have tails? I mean, they behave sometimes like that but still they don't develop. You see, in churches in children it is very common to tell them that "If you behave like this you will start developing a tail." Immediately they'll start looking. "Have we already developed?" Then you have to tell them, "Not yet." "But then be careful about us, you see. Better tell us. Otherwise we'll develop it." So this is how we are, that we are human beings. If we were not human beings our noses would have been like that or could have been like that. But we are human beings. That's why we have a particular type of a face. We have a particular type of eyes. You have seen in the animal kingdom how the eyes are placed. Like fishes, how their eyes are placed according to their environment, according to their evolution. Now why should we try to be fishes? Have you got eyes like fishes? We are human beings. We have to be human beings. And the human beings have got as in the four varanas are described, they have to move in a evolutionary process with their understanding. This is the biggest difference between a human being and animal. So far from animal to this stage you do not know how you came up. You never felt your evolution. You never knew that what, how you evolved into it. But only when you have become a human being you can feel it. That's why your evolution had to be in such a manner that you can feel it. And you have also got a special faculty of deciding for yourself, of freedom by which you develop yourself in such a manner that you can feel it. The fishes never felt it. The amoeba never felt it. It's only you who can feel your evolution because you are at the topmost position of evolution and if it has to move forward it has to be in your own awareness with all respect to your freedom. So freedom was given to human being, not only that but also that they are going to see their own evolution within themselves. They are going to feel it. You'll feel so different as soon as you are evolved, because you are the highest. Human beings, if they had ever evaluated themselves, even if they had asked this question to themselves, "Why did I became human being from that insignificant amoeba?" then they would have realised, evaluated their value. But when they evaluate themselves, when they try to understand themselves they become egoistical. This is the problem. And that also comes from the same sun line. You see the ego - that's the yellow, that balloon of ego - when it covers the whole being a person just, you see, he talks as if he is possessed. He can never understand what he is talking about and what he is meaning when he says, "I, I, I, I, I," because you are not a separate entity. You are a part and parcel of the whole. And when you start saying, "I, I," you actually secede yourself. You cut yourself short of your connections with the whole. With this understanding if you see, here the centre chakra which is the, what we call the Nabhi chakra. Here the sustenance was established and through its establishment, the seat for your evolution was created. So we evolve through our sustenance, through our evolutionary process by which we have a complete incarnation of this principle of Vishnu, is Krishna who is placed there. So from this Vishnu Tattwa when you go around the Bhavasagara till that point you are still trying to come out of it and at this point you come out and here is [UNCLEAR] Shri Rama. Normally this place is occupied by the deity of Mahakali? or you can call..[UNCLEAR]. Which comes from here, this power, normally, and then She incarnates in this Bhavasagara where the seekers are trying to find God. Because every time the seekers tried to find God there were evil forces which tried to put it down. So She had to incarnate. They say She incarnated only one thousand times but I think She has incarnated many more times. But whatever it is, She incarnated one thousand times and She protected these, Her bhaktas or Her, what you call, Her devotees to be saved from the satanic forces. Now this one is the incarnation of Vaikadesha but before that all those incarnations that came are up to this point. Now this one, one must understand is, these devya were actually normal human beings. They could not come up. Because Rama was not regarded as an incarnation. He was seen as absolutely a human being who was still on this sun line, the rajasa, the absolutely human being. This is the rajasa. That is the tamasa, on the left hand side. This is the rajasa. And the centre one is the satwa. That's why He was placed there. Now this Goddess is the power which exists in your heart chakra in the centre. Now when the child is small, you must know that all the antibodies develop in the sternum, in the sternum. And these antibodies are actually the fighters who fight evil or any harm to the body. These bodies, what you call these antibodies, spread to the whole being and after, say, twelve years or so they start acting automatically or, you can say, even spontaneously. Sometimes they are on their own, because they are trained in this area, in the sternum area, how to fight the disease, how to fight the outward invasions. Even the mental trouble which comes to you comes through some sort of a satanic force which can be in a very, in the form of a small lacuna and then they attack there. And that's how they work out. So this is the, in the sternum here is placed the power of the Durga or you can call the Mother, the Mother of this earth, Jagadamba. She's the One who is the Mother of this earth. And She, Her power comes from the back here, where you have a centre called as the Hridaya (Heart) chakra but we can say that it looks after the cardiac plexus in the human being. So those people who have got say asthma are suffering from the same. Those women who have got, say, breast cancer have suffering from the same, means the sense of insecurity. If you have sense of insecurity then these, these lungs start breathing fast. You have seen suddenly you, if you meet with fear you get that breathing very fast in you. And this breathing is denoting or is pointing out to some sort of a fear that is working within you. It could be due to previous conditionings or could be immediate, but this centre starts working, breathing starts moving at a very high speed and that is the sign of this centre that it starts emitting power of protection when if you start breathing heavily. But it is automatically done. And the women who suffer from sense of insecurity get breast cancer and that also this is the centre. While I will be talking to you about various diseases how we can cure through Sahaja Yoga then I'll tell you more about it. Now the highest point of the sustenance is here, just here. When man raised his head upward, this is the point where Shri Krishna, the, the highest goal of human evolution reached its completion poornatha. At that time we, we should say that when we raised our heads up He established Himself in our Vishuddhi chakra. And He is the one who is this Primordial Being. He is the One who grows into that Primordial Being. About Shri Krishna also I will tell you, I think, later on because you can understand He has sixteen petals. He has the largest number of petals which in physical way look after your ear, nose, throat, these mastoid muscles and teeth and all, all this portion. Apart from that if you notice it that this ego and superego, you see, actually they do not rise that high up. They rise from here it starts, from this centre only give the complete start. Complete start from this centre... [INAUDIBLE] but they cross at this centre which we call as the Agnya chakra. Now pumping of the ego and superego comes like the, we can say, the fumes from a factory. Like when you are overactive on the right hand side you develop your ego as a by-product. If somebody says, "I have no ego," well, it's wrong, not possible. There is all the time ego within you. Like people said, "Krishna has said that 'Oh, you, you just surrender everything to Me,' and that's how I have surrendered myself to Him." It's wrong. You cannot do it, because you have got ego. You have to cross beyond. Unless and until you cross behind - beyond, you cannot get over your ego. So these ego and superego, if you see, they cross. So the superego is, say, from here to here. The ego is from here to here. But as the human beings started growing the superego which is the conditioning in us, the conditioning as seen by the psychologists, they call it the psyche part and they never realised that there is also ego. If you remove the conditionings completely from human beings, do whatever you please, you become egoistical. They never realised this subtle point and they allowed you to do whatever you liked, and they allowed you to, sort of fully assert yourself. Then they did never realise that on the other side is also this ego developing within you. And that's why we have got now countries we can say which are ego-oriented. Others are superego-oriented. But now the stage is such that nothing much to choose, it's such a confusion and a muddle. Because when ego-oriented society developed too much of their ego, they tried to push the superego down like that which went to such a limit that it started hurting people. They couldn't bear it so they came up with their superego. And this is the beginning of people talking about, "I feel very guilty," "I'm very sorry," "We must have some sympathy for others," "We must look after the people who are suffering," and all that kind of a thing. Then they take to also drugs. Also you can see that all this left side is more sort of meant for people who take drugs and who go into lethargy and more sitting down and dreaming for poets, all sorts of things. [Missing part] went to India and invaded India and now I am responsible for that. You start feeling guilty for somebody who's died and is born somewhere in Africa or maybe born in Timbuktu. You see maybe that you are the one who was a saint in India and who has been looked after the Mother and today you are here crying for nothing at all. So this is the situation of today's muddled-up world and the superego, or the others who were supposed to be superego, non-aggressive people, say like Indian people, now are, they are developing, they are getting sophisticated, you see. And they think that to wear a suit is a very big thing. If you wear a suit they start speaking some other language. And to them you see to be posh, to be very impressive and all that is very important. Whether they have food or not doesn't matter but must dress up well to impress people, you see, and that's why I tell always my disciples that when you go to India don't go like hippies. Better go like very well-dressed government servants. And you can only impress them only.... And there, so we are developing now in India and we are becoming very materialistic, extremely materialistic. I mean not that you people here in the West have left your materialism to that extent but I mean here every Dick, Tom and Harry is not a materialistic person. Specially the people who are of a higher style, they are not that materialistic. But like, your, you see, the labor class here you can say as they are very particular now... Today was the budget day, last day so all the shops were on and everybody was buying even the jewellery?, then everything, in the shops, you see. But the Indians would be the most, you see, because they must see what is happening here. As soon as... I wouldn't say Indians, all the Asians I would put like that, not only Indians, because you see when they come to England they see in the shops, you see. They make the list of saris they have to take home. They make the list of things they have to take home. They are equally the same as you have been long time back. Like you'll be amazed that once upon a time plastic was a big, big craze for you people here and nylon was also once upon a time. Now we are trying to wear nylons for you. It's a good exchange, I think, but this is what we are in the muddle, either in the superego or ego. We cannot just fix the person. He could be one moment in the superego, one moment in the ego. He'll be just going from one side to another. The thing that really gives you the balance is the sustenance, is the sustenance, dharma. If you do not have that then you could go, shoot off like a pendulum from this side to that. But in dharma also there could be a problem and that is one of the worst possible, is of fanaticism. So I mean if you try to make the dharma a fanatic idea like none of these incarnations, like Mohamed Sahib who was an incarnation of the Primordial Master and all others like Him - Moses, Abraham - anyone of Them who came on this earth, ever thought of fanaticism. Never they realised that when they told, "Don't do this. Don't do that," some sort of people will take up upon themselves that, "We are the chosen ones. We are the great." I mean, this they could have never understood and whenever they found it was happening again they took birth. Again they took birth to tell people this is not dharma. To form any kind of a cult or an organisation and religion is against God. It's blasphemous. How can you organise God? You cannot. Those who have done it always have brought absolute fall of human beings. You see, that's why you cannot control. Like the other day I was saying that our Pope has good intentions of going to Poland. But in a way I like Polish Catholicism more than the Irish one. If this is the freedom what Catholicism is, better not have it. You see, if this is what you are going to achieve through your Catholicism, better not have it. In Poland, say, for example, people do not do philanthropic work, you see, like helping the poor. Is that the work of Christ? I asked somebody, I said, "How did you come to this conclusion that Christ wanted you to help the poor?" They said, "Because You know once He was to be, He was to be anointed with some very expensive oil," and I think Judah said that 'How can you spend such a lot of money on Him, on His body? Let us sell it and give it to the poor.'" So He said - now, see, listen to this one carefully - He said that, "Poor are forever," means it's a permanent headache, you see, "but I am for a short time." That means spiritual life is the thing. Now, in the same way He said that "No rich man can enter into the kingdom of God." Both are just the same. Poor are just the same as the rich. Do you find any difference in them? I do not. One hankers after money; another one gets spoilt by it. I mean, both are the results of the same. Because one doesn't have, he is no good and one has, that's why he is no good. If the rich had little less money it would be better for them. And if the poor had little more it would be better. So our Sahaja Yoga works for the people of the middle, middle things. Now immediately you will say, "Then what about the poor of the world?" Immediately the attention will go there. "Mother, what do you think?" Now you don't worry about that part. There is God who has created them and He is going to look after them. Are you an economist? Then you are, you have done all bad things. Because of faulty planning, because of selfish nature, because of conservatism, because of thinking that you are the person who should enjoy all your wealth, you have created these disparities. Human beings have created, not God, and when you have to achieve God you don't have to think all these problems that human beings have created. Like somebody came and told Me, "What about Vietnam?" I said, "Are you a governor appointed there?" You see, he had a problem of his own. He was coming from an asylum and he asked Me, gets up very seriously, said, "What about Vietnam?" Now tell Me, this fellow is really half mad. He's gone to that asylum from where he has come, and why is he worried about this Vietnam? Now, what does that show? How is he going to help Vietnam? This is how the attention of human beings moves. I mean, what you have to do is to achieve that within yourself, your own powers. Everyone has to achieve that power. Even if you are poor you can achieve it. What is poverty? It's just mental idea, "It is poverty." You see, for people I've seen, horrible people who are supposed to be rich just like beggars, I tell you, absolutely beggars. Even if they could get out of you one torn handkerchief, oh, they will be very happy. Horrible people, I don't know, what riches, it has not gone even skin deep. Even I would tell you that if you put so many pounds just posted on a donkey he would look better than these people are. I mean, it has not touched them at all, you see. And the way they talk you know how the people are, how licentious they are, how permissive they are, how careless they are about their children, how they are irresponsible, how they are killing others just to save their reputation. I mean, there's nothing that they cannot do. Same with poorer people; they are just the same. You see, if you go and talk to them, now our Maria had this, this thing, they said, "We, we want this man to be cured by Mataji but we are not going to believe in God." Now what can you say to that? Only you can say to take two running jumps and go to hell. That's what it is meant for such horrible people. They want to take advantage of God's power and then, "We don't believe in God." See, this is poverty. And the poorer they are the worse they are in their arrogance, in their assertions, in their asking. They don't want to do any work. They want to have this. They want to have that. All these things will be only explained once they achieve God. Otherwise they will not move. They all must rise. I mean, that the way the churches have now become nothing but union offices, labor union offices. See, poor people go there and confess to the priest. Now, it's madness. He cannot do anything to them. What is he after all? He himself is an ordinary human being, ordained. Which by whom? God has ordained you? Or who has ordained you? All such organisations will only create headaches and people who have got nothing but some sort of an idea that they are something great. You see, you ask anyone, "What are you?" "I'm a Catholic." What does that mean? "I'm a," what you call that, "Church of England." In India specially, the Indian Christians, if somebody is from Church of England he will not look at the person from Church of Scotland. You should see Indians, you see when they are Christians you must see the way they are. "Oh, we, we don't talk to them." I said, "Why?" "Because they are from the Church of Scotland, you know," or Presbyterians you see, or Lutherans. So according to them they are the highest because Church of England. Now they must come and see the condition of Church of England to understand. You see, this is the trouble. It is really, I tell you, like lunatic people. It's absolutely like lunatic people. They are brainwashed, completely. And by that they are not going to achieve anything. We have to achieve the reality. We have to know that we have to achieve it and for that we have to stand by reality, face it moment and moment and then the enjoyment of reality will be uncovered and will be absolutely manifested within you. But we have to stand by reality and not go by thinking, "I think, Mataji, You were wrong there." I said, "Where? Where was I wrong?" "Because, You know, You told us this," and that's why I was wrong. I said, "How do you know?" "I feel that way." "Now, how can you feel about what I am thinking or what I am saying? You have to then understand rationally. But when I say rationally, do you understand?" "Rationally I understand but I don't feel that way." Now, what is this feel? See, a thing which is told to you rationally must be understood rationally. And whatever is to be felt is to be felt through heart. But they will feel a rational thing and they will think about the love. It is something absurd. That's why it is crazy. The attitude itself is crazy. So open out yourself because there is an invitation. There is a great invitation for you to enter into that kingdom of God which is promised to you. You must know that God has created this earth. He has created you. He is not going to allow His creation to be destroyed, will He? What are you worried about? He is the One who is going to take you across. He is the One who is going to tell you each and everything that He has, to possess all the beauties, all the blessings that He has, to enjoy them. He is going to do everything for you. But when the boat is crossing, keep quiet. Don't run here and there. All the time the children are running from here and there. You go on catching them. "Come along. Come along." Sometimes even they get drowned. Just keep quiet. Everybody is going to get it, everybody is going to be taken into it and everybody is going to enjoy it. For today I think it was quite a lecture though I have told you that Christ is on this chakra has come and that is the last chakra of Sahasrara which opened on the fifth of May in India in 1970 and since then the new awareness has started becoming, dawning into people. The vibrations have started flowing. And it's a very great thing that you are born at this time and you are the people, the foundations. You are the people who are going to receive it completely. I don't know about the future, what is going to happen to the future and all that but I am sure it is going to work out. And in this London, London which I have always said it's the heart of the universe, we are going to do it with great understanding of the problems of the whole world. If heart is all right everything will be all right because through it everything is going to circulate, and going to improve, and going to nurture, and going to develop this beautiful universe that God has created for you. But first thing you must know is to give up all your misidentifications. And do not go on hankering onto them and again getting identifying yourself with them but keep a complete alert attention on your progress in Sahaja Yoga. I'm sure it is going to work out. May God bless you all! Thank you. So, any questions? Now, ask questions which are related to this lecture. Because if you ask them out of the blue questions, you see not out of the blue questions, see what is there, now I need another lecture. You see, I cannot just say what is God is and things like that. So you please don't ask such questions. Ask something relating to this lecture that would help you and everybody. And ask questions which are constructive. Question: [Inaudible] 5th of May. Shri Mataji: That happened... That is the day when the en-masse Realisation was established... Why? Question: Where? Shri Mataji: Where? In India. Question: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: It happened in My brain. And it happened on a sea shore in India when I saw it.... And of course I will tell you some time how beautifully it worked out, and how beautiful it was. Question: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: One of the names it is in the one book I have given you, is that Nirvicharita, is thoughtless, beyond thoughts. That is the power. All right, so I bring you down. Now you think of that thought. You see, now you cannot. Can you? Try. No, no. That is the fact. One must accept. You have crossed the Agnya. You see, now you cannot. Enjoy it. Enjoy it. It's very good. Now you can see the thoughts also. Are you returned now? Are you feeling better Hester? Good. This is very beautiful. Enjoy it. Forget it. Forget about that. We are going to meet again and again and you'll have ample time. But the more you will be meeting the more you'll become thoughtless, the more you'll be enjoying the silence within you, more you will be going deep into your own silence, really enjoying it. Actually after Realisation you don't even feel bored. You'll be surprised. You'll be sitting for hours together without getting bored, absolutely without getting bored. And that's how people give up, you see, all these habits of say, smoking and all those because when you are bored you don't know what to do so you take to these habits. That's what you get it. You are not to be forced, you are not to be told but once you start enjoying yourself you just don't do it. [Hindi] Are you better now? Not yet? [Hindi] He's a born-realised, still.

"How Aspects of God are Expressed within us," Caxton Hall, London (UK). 11 June 1979. ...Thank you. Come along. See those who are... You come in front, all right? Better thing is that the new people sit in front. It's better. Yes. Hello. Good. Very good. So I would like to give you a little idea about this picture that we have in front of us (chakra chart). Now whom we call as God Almighty, the One who is eternal, who doesn't incarnate, who is all the time there watching the play of His Power, the Primordial Mother, is manifested through Her Power into His three aspects here, clearly, within ourselves and within the Primordial Being who is the ultimate which all the created people have to reach. Now there's a difference between the two, the Almighty, God, as you call Him, the One who never incarnates, and the One who incarnates on this Earth and occupies a position like this, just like a human being, and He's called as a Primordial Being or you can say the Viraata, you can call Him the Viraat. Actually, though He's called as ‘Primordial Being’, He's an aspect of God. So these are two things if you understand, I will be able to explain to you how the aspects of God are expressed in us. So the first aspect of God is His desire to create, His desire to create and in His desire to create ... (Oh, you were outside there Linda, I didn't recognise. Come along, I'm sorry I didn't recognise you, I never recognised you, I'm sorry, I never recognised. I thought, “Who is this one?” I’m sorry. So, this side would be better.) So His desire to manifest, His desire to create, that's the aspect within us which is represented by this blue colour line which is called as the Adi Ida Nadi, or you can call it the primordial Ida channel by which He desires. Now as a desire can be born and can be finished off, can be switched off, in the same way, His desire to create also can be over. His desire to create any more may be over. His desire not to create for the time being could be there. So if you understand your desires, you can understand His desire also to create and that's why when He does not desire to have it anymore, the creation He can destroy. So He is the One through which we exist and through which we are destroyed, too. So He's the One who manifests existence and destruction of Creation. That's why He is called as Destroyer. This aspect is represented by the principle of Shiva; which never incarnates because this principle is the one which is the germ, which is the beginning and which is the end of everything. Like a seed becomes the seed ultimately, in the same way this Shiva Tattwa, this principle of Shiva, germinates, creates and then it again becomes the same principle. That's why the principle of Shiva never changes. It is called as Shiva, means it is permanent, it is eternal. The rest of Them go into manifestations. So first He desired and He wanted to create. So He had to have His aspect of Creator being put in and the second aspect of Creator (aside: can you show [them]?) is the, this yellow line that shows here is the Pingala Nadi, called as Adi Pingala, the Primordial Pingala channel by which He has created this Universe. Now the centre of this figure you can find this green round circle and this one is the one, is the space in which He created. He created in this space and that's why this space is called as Bhavasagara. Is the Ocean of Creation. ‘Bhava' is the one that is created. Bhu, Bhava means the one... exactly it is the one that is done; bhava is done, means created. So the Creator then produces all the stars and the, all the galaxies, solar plexus, lunar plexuses, all the so-called mandalas. He does all that work. But as you would say that first of all this blue line, if you follow it up, goes absolutely to the first centre, here. Now this line represents, though it manifests the Shiva principle, it is manifested or, you can say, it's carried on, through the power of Shiva that is known as Mahakali. That's the power of Mahakali which descends up to the lowest point there which is the first centre that is created by Mahakali Herself, and this centre is called as the Mooladhara Chakra. On this She has created first of all the first deity, the first we can call the Aradhya Devata. The one deity which is to be worshipped first in this whole world is the deity that is the embodiment of innocence. So innocence was the first thing that was created by God, and not cunningness. Cunningness is our by-product, you see. He created innocence and holiness and that’s how he put the deity there and that deity is called as Shri Ganesha. It's a, later on you will know that the same embodiment of innocence incarnated on this earth as Jesus Christ. Now this is a very, very important chakra or the centre about which I will tell you later on. But then after creating this, you see, God is a very, I should say, a very, very compassionate and affectionate being. He is the source of all our compassion and affection because He resides in the heart as Shiva there - you can see His place there. And then He wanted to produce somebody who would - after creating this. First He created the chakra for the innocence. That was the most primarily important thing, was to create innocence on this earth, to protect people. Innocence is auspiciousness, is called as mangalakari. Is the one that gives you auspiciousness. Now about auspiciousness also they have had a tape with them, you can ask them what it gives. And it is a thing that was first created, means that for us the blessings were created even before He started creating these galaxies. So He created a place in the space from where He could emit His blessings on this earth. So secondly, then, He, before even creating the Creator, He just thought, "Let Me put Him up. Let Me have another aspect manifested," which is the central, centre path, in the - from the centre path which is known as the Sushumna, is the centre path of sustenance, of your dharma. Before creating anything else He created this one because this is the centre of seeking, is the centre of seeking. And this seeking was created even from the smallest of animals you know. When amoeba was created he's had a seeking. Otherwise he would never have evolved. And the, of course, the seeking changed its mode and its tone but there was a seeking first implanted at that point and for that He had to create a deity of His aspect of sustenance which was called as Shri Vishnu. His power is Mahalakshmi which is that channel, is the centre power. Now the third one that He created out of it actually [UNCLEAR]. These are from here, what He made first of all from here is very formal and [INAUDIBLE for about 15 sec] and this power is called as the power of Mahasaraswati. So you have got three powers of Mahakali, Mahasaraswati and Mahalakshmi. This universe then was created through galaxies and through many ... solar systems and if you happen to read one of the so-called article of Mine on solar plexus or on the creation itself you will know how we were created very carefully, how the earth was created, how it was taken away. Part of it was taken away from the sun, taken very far away first and then adjusted, brought to a point where life could grow. All that was done and so the earth was created. Now the first chakra, as I told you, is the Ganesha's chakra. Now this chakra is most important for us because this is the centre of Shri Ganesha who is the son of Mahakali's residual power which we can call as the Gauri. It is that, you can see in the centre, it's also called as the Kundalini. After creating the whole thing, I mean desiring the whole thing, He put part of that - that's why we call it residual power - into that Kundalini, the Adi Kundalini which would record all that is happening within and later on when the time comes it would give you your second birth. So this is the Kundalini here. It is placed in three and a half coil because three and a half coil brings forth eternal movement like your watches which are, say, automatic are... also have got three and a half coils just to put it in automatic way. That's how this idea must have come to somebody that we should put three and a half coils to have automatic watches, you see. So this is the three and a half coils there placed. And that's the Mother. That's the Mother. That's the Virgin. That's the One sitting down there. Now this is the Mother who had not yet met Her husband but was married, but still a virgin. And the story is very interesting how She created Ganesha. She was worried that somebody may come inside the bathroom so She, out of Her body these things, what you call mala, the dirt on Her body, She took out some soil or clay that we use in India for washing the hands. Our clay is very good. And She put all the clay and took it out and made out of that a Ganesha. And put Him down there, at that point because She wanted somebody to protect Her. (Somebody has come? If you lock the door, how will I know? It's all right) So this protection was created there for Her. But actually that's the One is also protecting Her protocol. That means this chakra nobody can enter into. Nobody can touch it. Through this centre anybody who tries to come in will be punished. Now, those people who say that Kundalini can be risen through sex are, I must say, either sadly mistaken or are sinister people, because that's the centre is to protect Her protocol. He never would allow anybody to enter through that point because that is the point which regulates and controls the sex. So that is a very, very holy place through which you cannot enter. The reason is, say, if there is mud and if there is all kind of filth, best thing is to put there the most purest form of deity who'd never gets embellished or who does not get hurt or in any way involved into that filth. So He, being the purest, He was placed there. Like Christ came on this earth to a place, like horrible place like Bethlehem and all this, just because there was no other way out, you see. He was the only one who could come there and sustain these people who wanted to crucify Him later on. So He came down later but this embodiment of innocence was put there. Innocence is a thing which never is cunning and intelligent as you think intelligence is supposed to be. It's very different type of intelligence it has got that it just works out. You may be any amount of intelligence you may have and you may try to trick the innocence by any chances or by any, any sort of fraudulent ways. You cannot cheat. Innocence is above all that. And that is what was very important and that's why He was placed there. Now the people who have been practicing this kind of a nonsensical stuff like going to Kundalini through the sex are really doing a very abusive and horrible thing to their own Mother, who is the Kundalini. Kundalini is your Mother. She has been with you for ages and She has been waiting for this day when you could get your Realisation. So those who try such tricks on the Kundalini, on their Mother, you can imagine how much they should be punished. That's why so many people get all these horrible experiences, of getting blisters in the body, they get heat in the body, sometimes they get a temperature and they get stuck up and all sort of things happen because of this kind of unauthorised behaviour. The another thing could be to freeze this Ganesha, is to become a person who is absolutely running away from sex. One does not have to run away from sex because sex is one of the activities of Ganesha because He's a child, He doesn't understand what is sex is. He's abodh. He's innocent. He doesn't know that sex is something. You see, He has no consciousness of it. Like a child when He sees sex, for Him it is just like seeing flowers so nothing... he, he doesn't understand it. After a certain age only people start understanding it. So those people who also run away from sex are equally the same because there's nothing to run away and there's nothing to run to. It has to be understood at this point that sex has to be a very sacred and a secret thing between two personalities that is husband and wife who should be really married, collectively. A marriage which is done secretly somewhere and marriage secretly done somewhere is always brings problems. So marriage must be done in a open way and should be sanctioned collectively. Marriage is not an institution came to human beings from somewhere outside, but it has come to them from within. God Himself has brought this institution within them and it is to be respected in full way. And family life is the basis, absolutely the basis of human beings. Every human being must have a nest to grow when they are children. We are playing havoc with this principle of family life everywhere and we are really out to ruin our children through abandoning the norms that are required for a human life. I mean, we have taken up everything into our hands, you see, as if we can do whatever we feel. Perhaps by that we do not realise how we are giving no fair chance to our children to grow in a proper, secure place. So family life is a very important thing and must be dealt with in a way, the way you do a Puja, you do a worship. The home is a temple where you must have all the holy things, to give children the holiness, the innocence that is required for them to continue. Here if you find now the children are so precocious, sometimes you are shocked the way they are precocious because the parents talk all these things in their presence and they say, "What's wrong?" Like you are teaching children about sex. What is there to teach? I really can't understand. What is there to teach? Every dog, every, I mean all these birds, everybody, they know what sex is. Oh, no, human beings need a teaching out of it. I mean, Indians who are supposed to be most uneducated people, they are doing much better than all of you are doing here. It beats me to understand how you people start thinking about teaching everything, even sex. You see, it is of course to be guided properly through family channels but not to be talked so openly, you know. In the beginning it was very difficult for Me even to open My mouth. But when I saw the whole thing is so filled with it, let Me talk about it. Because it is not to be talked, it is not to be mentioned, it's a very sacred thing between husband and wife and to be kept as sacred. But if you excite it too much, from the childhood if you give ideas and all that, you see unnaturally people are brought up in that way into a very unnatural atmosphere and you become nothing but a sex point. The amount of, you see, importance is given to sex life, you see, as if, as if they are impotent. I mean, it is something like that. It amounts to that, the way people are, it's such a natural thing. It's such a spontaneous thing. It's available to everyone. What is there for people to think so much about it and plan about it, talk about it and make the whole thing so vulgar? There are certain rules and regulations that are to be followed. I mean, you have to be very, very chaste about it and there's a certain protocol and certain beauty of making it a secret. The more I find now here people, I'm just talking about the West because we are concerned with Western problems. Indians have another type which I will tell you later. They have another horrible types of problems but this is another type we have. Like a, like we find two people going up the escalator, they must kiss, you see. They shouldn't miss one point even. Every step they must go on kissing. All right. And where are you going? To the divorce court, that's what it is. You know, it's so absurd. There is no deep understanding of the marriage institution. We cannot exist without marriage institution. Marriage institution is a gift of God to human beings and not to animals. We are not going to become again animals. They study the sexual behavior of, say, of fishes. I mean, are you going to become fishes now? Are we to learn from pigs? I mean, have we gone that low that we have to go down up to fishes' level and find out how to behave? I mean, it's absurd. So this is this centre which is very important and it's very sacred, but the other side I told you that is to running away from sex. On this point I would like to speak because perhaps I have not spoken so much as that. This is another craze that people have, is to suppress the sex, is to have nunneries, to have places like where the fathers are living in a very unnatural manner, create situations where there is no husband-wife relation existing. I would say Navy has this problem, too. And thank God now Navy has decided to have women on board and the wives on board, you see. And actually it has working wonders because they are very good husbands, people have found out, and it gives them some chance to exist normally. I mean, imagine that every port you get, you get some new girl and end to a complication, fighting with another. All sorts of problems come up. This multi, multi-women business is going to make you mad. I mean, to live with one woman itself it's sufficient. But to have many women is much more dangerous. So the another thing starts. See, human beings are like that. If they cannot they'll go one side, complete indulgences. They'll have ten women, get hit, beaten up, finished by that, absolutely broken up, becoming insolvent. Ultimately they are left like that. Then they become sadhus. To the other end they will go. They become the sadhus and the sadhus start, you see, then, "Give up sex. Have nothing to do. Don't see a woman. Just you can't bear her." You see, this is madness. Why go from one extreme to another extreme? Why not see it in a poised and a proper manner that marriage is important, husband-wife is an important thing. But that's not the end of life there also. But still running away from it is something one cannot explain. Otherwise why God has made you women and men? One should understand about it. And secondly, those who run away like that, I mean if the women run away, God save this world, but if men run away what do they get? You see, they run away from it to another, another style. And what happens with that? You just have a look here. This is the chakra of the Devi which [UNCLEAR] to run away from. Now there is no way. You cannot go to this one because it is a... this is the one which is [UNCLEAR]. Thus your attention is just from there you go. There is no attention at all. No attention there [UNCLEAR]. [UNCLEAR] convert your fat into a proper fat which can be consumed by brain. So as soon as you do that you start thinking about sex. That is what it is. People are not spontaneous but they are thinking. They'll plan out about it. Everything is planned out and then what happens you start thinking about it but you don't have any sex. So the people who say, "We are nuns, we are nuns," they are thinking about it all the time. But they do not have the actual thing which should be done. It would be something like eating food with your nose, try to push your food through your nose. You see that there is no thinking needed for this and you start thinking about it. So they start thinking. How can they get rid of it? You just tell Me. There's no sublimation, so-called sublimation and all that nonsense. If there is no chance of sublimation only the attention will move. How will you sublimate this part when there is a barrier here and this one is as the special one sitting there, with a big rod in his hand? We call it as the parasha. How do you cross that point? You cannot just cross it. So what you do? You remove your attention from there and predict. Now this is the one which we call as the, also called as the sun line. It's the sun line, called as sun line. So you move towards the sun. That's why you people are such worshippers of sun. Now, then burn your body. You see, you will not have sex but burn your body and make yourself look what you call that brown colour and do all kind of nonsensical things to your body. Be unkind to it. Try to do your level best to ruin it. That's what you do. And then this sun line starts acting. Now, sun line takes you away from the left side. You see that if too much activity starts here it's because your whole attention goes on this side and it is...[UNCLEAR]. That's why you become extremely dry. I mean, such a person, I would say Hitler, Hitler was nothing but this. Hitler had no feelings left in him at all. There was no emotional thing left in him. He was drained out. And all these yogis also of this type have this. Like we had a guru in our, you see, in Durvasa. I mean, if he'd looked at somebody he would burn off. Just imagine. Such horrible ones, what are they going to do for the emancipation of human beings? What are they going to do for the Kalyana, for the betterment of human beings who haven't got a grain of love within them? All your idea of love is drained out. Then you must have heard about these gurus, that the way they are. Most of them I've seen, even the realised ones, needs lot of love within them. I've seen so many realised ones also but they believe in beating the people. You know, anybody comes to them, first of all they'll put a big chimta on them, hit them, cut. "Oh, you are not good." They, they test your head by hitting. And you know, sometimes tears would roll down My eyes seeing all that cruelty. I said, "How can you do this to them?" They said, "You don't know these human beings. They deserve it. We were like that. Now we are better." I said, "What are you better? You are hitting the same way." But they are realised people. Can you imagine? Even without knowing much about love they get Realisation and then they start saying, "Now, go into absolute vairanth." Take the case of our Buddha. Now Buddha was one of the very great incarnations in the sense that He was the son, one of the sons of Rama who incarnated on this earth, Buddha, to occupy the highest life on this earth. So He had to take sanyasa because without that He could not show that. But there was no need for anybody else to take sanyasa. But in His case mistakes, I mean, why there were some mistakes about things, because when He tried all these tricks of sanyasa, going here and there He never realised that this is all not needed. He was so tired and fagged out, that suddenly, spontaneous, the Primordial Mother Herself gave Him the realisation because He was so tired. Now supposing this is Caxton Hall. To come here you go to, say, Reading, then you go to in the north to Leeds, then you go this side and then you go to Brighton and come back here. And you tell everybody, "If you have to go to Caxton Hall you better do all that." It is just like that. It is just like that, very misleading. Because when He found it out, as you have found out too, you do not realise how you have found it. You do not know how you have done it. If I do not tell you that it is God who has done it, how are you going to believe it? You will think, "I've done Self-realisation, all right. I am a self-realised person." Self is most important. That's why He believed this Anishvarvad means atheism. He said, "There is no God. Only thing, the Self is to be achieved." Naturally, because there was nobody to tell Him that you have achieved through the grace of the Primordial Mother. So He was to be born again as one of the sons of Fatimabai who was the daughter of Mohammed Sahib. Then again He was to be born as Markandeya and again as Shankaracharya, just to neutralise what He has been preaching. So you will see that in the sixth century Shankaracharya is the one who put end to Buddhism, the nonsense of Buddhism in India. Because apart from what Buddha's understanding of the whole thing is His disciples made it so perverse that somebody had to come down to tell that marriage system has to be re-established. And this is how this right side was controlled through various incarnations coming down. But now we come to the centre point, is the Vishnu Tattwa, as I told you, the principle of sustenance within us. By this sustenance force only we have within us our dharma, means we are human beings. Human beings have to have some sustenance. Otherwise he would have two horns. He would have a tail hanging around. But he does not. He doesn't have. Why human beings do not have horns? Why do not they have tails? I mean, they behave sometimes like that but still they don't develop. You see, in churches in children it is very common to tell them that "If you behave like this you will start developing a tail." Immediately they'll start looking. "Have we already developed?" Then you have to tell them, "Not yet." "But then be careful about us, you see. Better tell us. Otherwise we'll develop it." So this is how we are, that we are human beings. If we were not human beings our noses would have been like that or could have been like that. But we are human beings. That's why we have a particular type of a face. We have a particular type of eyes. You have seen in the animal kingdom how the eyes are placed. Like fishes, how their eyes are placed according to their environment, according to their evolution. Now why should we try to be fishes? Have you got eyes like fishes? We are human beings. We have to be human beings. And the human beings have got as in the four varanas are described, they have to move in a evolutionary process with their understanding. This is the biggest difference between a human being and animal. So far from animal to this stage you do not know how you came up. You never felt your evolution. You never knew that what, how you evolved into it. But only when you have become a human being you can feel it. That's why your evolution had to be in such a manner that you can feel it. And you have also got a special faculty of deciding for yourself, of freedom by which you develop yourself in such a manner that you can feel it. The fishes never felt it. The amoeba never felt it. It's only you who can feel your evolution because you are at the topmost position of evolution and if it has to move forward it has to be in your own awareness with all respect to your freedom. So freedom was given to human being, not only that but also that they are going to see their own evolution within themselves. They are going to feel it. You'll feel so different as soon as you are evolved, because you are the highest. Human beings, if they had ever evaluated themselves, even if they had asked this question to themselves, "Why did I became human being from that insignificant amoeba?" then they would have realised, evaluated their value. But when they evaluate themselves, when they try to understand themselves they become egoistical. This is the problem. And that also comes from the same sun line. You see the ego - that's the yellow, that balloon of ego - when it covers the whole being a person just, you see, he talks as if he is possessed. He can never understand what he is talking about and what he is meaning when he says, "I, I, I, I, I," because you are not a separate entity. You are a part and parcel of the whole. And when you start saying, "I, I," you actually secede yourself. You cut yourself short of your connections with the whole. With this understanding if you see, here the centre chakra which is the, what we call the Nabhi chakra. Here the sustenance was established and through its establishment, the seat for your evolution was created. So we evolve through our sustenance, through our evolutionary process by which we have a complete incarnation of this principle of Vishnu, is Krishna who is placed there. So from this Vishnu Tattwa when you go around the Bhavasagara till that point you are still trying to come out of it and at this point you come out and here is [UNCLEAR] Shri Rama. Normally this place is occupied by the deity of Mahakali? or you can call..[UNCLEAR]. Which comes from here, this power, normally, and then She incarnates in this Bhavasagara where the seekers are trying to find God. Because every time the seekers tried to find God there were evil forces which tried to put it down. So She had to incarnate. They say She incarnated only one thousand times but I think She has incarnated many more times. But whatever it is, She incarnated one thousand times and She protected these, Her bhaktas or Her, what you call, Her devotees to be saved from the satanic forces. Now this one is the incarnation of Vaikadesha but before that all those incarnations that came are up to this point. Now this one, one must understand is, these devya were actually normal human beings. They could not come up. Because Rama was not regarded as an incarnation. He was seen as absolutely a human being who was still on this sun line, the rajasa, the absolutely human being. This is the rajasa. That is the tamasa, on the left hand side. This is the rajasa. And the centre one is the satwa. That's why He was placed there. Now this Goddess is the power which exists in your heart chakra in the centre. Now when the child is small, you must know that all the antibodies develop in the sternum, in the sternum. And these antibodies are actually the fighters who fight evil or any harm to the body. These bodies, what you call these antibodies, spread to the whole being and after, say, twelve years or so they start acting automatically or, you can say, even spontaneously. Sometimes they are on their own, because they are trained in this area, in the sternum area, how to fight the disease, how to fight the outward invasions. Even the mental trouble which comes to you comes through some sort of a satanic force which can be in a very, in the form of a small lacuna and then they attack there. And that's how they work out. So this is the, in the sternum here is placed the power of the Durga or you can call the Mother, the Mother of this earth, Jagadamba. She's the One who is the Mother of this earth. And She, Her power comes from the back here, where you have a centre called as the Hridaya (Heart) chakra but we can say that it looks after the cardiac plexus in the human being. So those people who have got say asthma are suffering from the same. Those women who have got, say, breast cancer have suffering from the same, means the sense of insecurity. If you have sense of insecurity then these, these lungs start breathing fast. You have seen suddenly you, if you meet with fear you get that breathing very fast in you. And this breathing is denoting or is pointing out to some sort of a fear that is working within you. It could be due to previous conditionings or could be immediate, but this centre starts working, breathing starts moving at a very high speed and that is the sign of this centre that it starts emitting power of protection when if you start breathing heavily. But it is automatically done. And the women who suffer from sense of insecurity get breast cancer and that also this is the centre. While I will be talking to you about various diseases how we can cure through Sahaja Yoga then I'll tell you more about it. Now the highest point of the sustenance is here, just here. When man raised his head upward, this is the point where Shri Krishna, the, the highest goal of human evolution reached its completion poornatha. At that time we, we should say that when we raised our heads up He established Himself in our Vishuddhi chakra. And He is the one who is this Primordial Being. He is the One who grows into that Primordial Being. About Shri Krishna also I will tell you, I think, later on because you can understand He has sixteen petals. He has the largest number of petals which in physical way look after your ear, nose, throat, these mastoid muscles and teeth and all, all this portion. Apart from that if you notice it that this ego and superego, you see, actually they do not rise that high up. They rise from here it starts, from this centre only give the complete start. Complete start from this centre... [INAUDIBLE] but they cross at this centre which we call as the Agnya chakra. Now pumping of the ego and superego comes like the, we can say, the fumes from a factory. Like when you are overactive on the right hand side you develop your ego as a by-product. If somebody says, "I have no ego," well, it's wrong, not possible. There is all the time ego within you. Like people said, "Krishna has said that 'Oh, you, you just surrender everything to Me,' and that's how I have surrendered myself to Him." It's wrong. You cannot do it, because you have got ego. You have to cross beyond. Unless and until you cross behind - beyond, you cannot get over your ego. So these ego and superego, if you see, they cross. So the superego is, say, from here to here. The ego is from here to here. But as the human beings started growing the superego which is the conditioning in us, the conditioning as seen by the psychologists, they call it the psyche part and they never realised that there is also ego. If you remove the conditionings completely from human beings, do whatever you please, you become egoistical. They never realised this subtle point and they allowed you to do whatever you liked, and they allowed you to, sort of fully assert yourself. Then they did never realise that on the other side is also this ego developing within you. And that's why we have got now countries we can say which are ego-oriented. Others are superego-oriented. But now the stage is such that nothing much to choose, it's such a confusion and a muddle. Because when ego-oriented society developed too much of their ego, they tried to push the superego down like that which went to such a limit that it started hurting people. They couldn't bear it so they came up with their superego. And this is the beginning of people talking about, "I feel very guilty," "I'm very sorry," "We must have some sympathy for others," "We must look after the people who are suffering," and all that kind of a thing. Then they take to also drugs. Also you can see that all this left side is more sort of meant for people who take drugs and who go into lethargy and more sitting down and dreaming for poets, all sorts of things. [Missing part] went to India and invaded India and now I am responsible for that. You start feeling guilty for somebody who's died and is born somewhere in Africa or maybe born in Timbuktu. You see maybe that you are the one who was a saint in India and who has been looked after the Mother and today you are here crying for nothing at all. So this is the situation of today's muddled-up world and the superego, or the others who were supposed to be superego, non-aggressive people, say like Indian people, now are, they are developing, they are getting sophisticated, you see. And they think that to wear a suit is a very big thing. If you wear a suit they start speaking some other language. And to them you see to be posh, to be very impressive and all that is very important. Whether they have food or not doesn't matter but must dress up well to impress people, you see, and that's why I tell always my disciples that when you go to India don't go like hippies. Better go like very well-dressed government servants. And you can only impress them only.... And there, so we are developing now in India and we are becoming very materialistic, extremely materialistic. I mean not that you people here in the West have left your materialism to that extent but I mean here every Dick, Tom and Harry is not a materialistic person. Specially the people who are of a higher style, they are not that materialistic. But like, your, you see, the labor class here you can say as they are very particular now... Today was the budget day, last day so all the shops were on and everybody was buying even the jewellery?, then everything, in the shops, you see. But the Indians would be the most, you see, because they must see what is happening here. As soon as... I wouldn't say Indians, all the Asians I would put like that, not only Indians, because you see when they come to England they see in the shops, you see. They make the list of saris they have to take home. They make the list of things they have to take home. They are equally the same as you have been long time back. Like you'll be amazed that once upon a time plastic was a big, big craze for you people here and nylon was also once upon a time. Now we are trying to wear nylons for you. It's a good exchange, I think, but this is what we are in the muddle, either in the superego or ego. We cannot just fix the person. He could be one moment in the superego, one moment in the ego. He'll be just going from one side to another. The thing that really gives you the balance is the sustenance, is the sustenance, dharma. If you do not have that then you could go, shoot off like a pendulum from this side to that. But in dharma also there could be a problem and that is one of the worst possible, is of fanaticism. So I mean if you try to make the dharma a fanatic idea like none of these incarnations, like Mohamed Sahib who was an incarnation of the Primordial Master and all others like Him - Moses, Abraham - anyone of Them who came on this earth, ever thought of fanaticism. Never they realised that when they told, "Don't do this. Don't do that," some sort of people will take up upon themselves that, "We are the chosen ones. We are the great." I mean, this they could have never understood and whenever they found it was happening again they took birth. Again they took birth to tell people this is not dharma. To form any kind of a cult or an organisation and religion is against God. It's blasphemous. How can you organise God? You cannot. Those who have done it always have brought absolute fall of human beings. You see, that's why you cannot control. Like the other day I was saying that our Pope has good intentions of going to Poland. But in a way I like Polish Catholicism more than the Irish one. If this is the freedom what Catholicism is, better not have it. You see, if this is what you are going to achieve through your Catholicism, better not have it. In Poland, say, for example, people do not do philanthropic work, you see, like helping the poor. Is that the work of Christ? I asked somebody, I said, "How did you come to this conclusion that Christ wanted you to help the poor?" They said, "Because You know once He was to be, He was to be anointed with some very expensive oil," and I think Judah said that 'How can you spend such a lot of money on Him, on His body? Let us sell it and give it to the poor.'" So He said - now, see, listen to this one carefully - He said that, "Poor are forever," means it's a permanent headache, you see, "but I am for a short time." That means spiritual life is the thing. Now, in the same way He said that "No rich man can enter into the kingdom of God." Both are just the same. Poor are just the same as the rich. Do you find any difference in them? I do not. One hankers after money; another one gets spoilt by it. I mean, both are the results of the same. Because one doesn't have, he is no good and one has, that's why he is no good. If the rich had little less money it would be better for them. And if the poor had little more it would be better. So our Sahaja Yoga works for the people of the middle, middle things. Now immediately you will say, "Then what about the poor of the world?" Immediately the attention will go there. "Mother, what do you think?" Now you don't worry about that part. There is God who has created them and He is going to look after them. Are you an economist? Then you are, you have done all bad things. Because of faulty planning, because of selfish nature, because of conservatism, because of thinking that you are the person who should enjoy all your wealth, you have created these disparities. Human beings have created, not God, and when you have to achieve God you don't have to think all these problems that human beings have created. Like somebody came and told Me, "What about Vietnam?" I said, "Are you a governor appointed there?" You see, he had a problem of his own. He was coming from an asylum and he asked Me, gets up very seriously, said, "What about Vietnam?" Now tell Me, this fellow is really half mad. He's gone to that asylum from where he has come, and why is he worried about this Vietnam? Now, what does that show? How is he going to help Vietnam? This is how the attention of human beings moves. I mean, what you have to do is to achieve that within yourself, your own powers. Everyone has to achieve that power. Even if you are poor you can achieve it. What is poverty? It's just mental idea, "It is poverty." You see, for people I've seen, horrible people who are supposed to be rich just like beggars, I tell you, absolutely beggars. Even if they could get out of you one torn handkerchief, oh, they will be very happy. Horrible people, I don't know, what riches, it has not gone even skin deep. Even I would tell you that if you put so many pounds just posted on a donkey he would look better than these people are. I mean, it has not touched them at all, you see. And the way they talk you know how the people are, how licentious they are, how permissive they are, how careless they are about their children, how they are irresponsible, how they are killing others just to save their reputation. I mean, there's nothing that they cannot do. Same with poorer people; they are just the same. You see, if you go and talk to them, now our Maria had this, this thing, they said, "We, we want this man to be cured by Mataji but we are not going to believe in God." Now what can you say to that? Only you can say to take two running jumps and go to hell. That's what it is meant for such horrible people. They want to take advantage of God's power and then, "We don't believe in God." See, this is poverty. And the poorer they are the worse they are in their arrogance, in their assertions, in their asking. They don't want to do any work. They want to have this. They want to have that. All these things will be only explained once they achieve God. Otherwise they will not move. They all must rise. I mean, that the way the churches have now become nothing but union offices, labor union offices. See, poor people go there and confess to the priest. Now, it's madness. He cannot do anything to them. What is he after all? He himself is an ordinary human being, ordained. Which by whom? God has ordained you? Or who has ordained you? All such organisations will only create headaches and people who have got nothing but some sort of an idea that they are something great. You see, you ask anyone, "What are you?" "I'm a Catholic." What does that mean? "I'm a," what you call that, "Church of England." In India specially, the Indian Christians, if somebody is from Church of England he will not look at the person from Church of Scotland. You should see Indians, you see when they are Christians you must see the way they are. "Oh, we, we don't talk to them." I said, "Why?" "Because they are from the Church of Scotland, you know," or Presbyterians you see, or Lutherans. So according to them they are the highest because Church of England. Now they must come and see the condition of Church of England to understand. You see, this is the trouble. It is really, I tell you, like lunatic people. It's absolutely like lunatic people. They are brainwashed, completely. And by that they are not going to achieve anything. We have to achieve the reality. We have to know that we have to achieve it and for that we have to stand by reality, face it moment and moment and then the enjoyment of reality will be uncovered and will be absolutely manifested within you. But we have to stand by reality and not go by thinking, "I think, Mataji, You were wrong there." I said, "Where? Where was I wrong?" "Because, You know, You told us this," and that's why I was wrong. I said, "How do you know?" "I feel that way." "Now, how can you feel about what I am thinking or what I am saying? You have to then understand rationally. But when I say rationally, do you understand?" "Rationally I understand but I don't feel that way." Now, what is this feel? See, a thing which is told to you rationally must be understood rationally. And whatever is to be felt is to be felt through heart. But they will feel a rational thing and they will think about the love. It is something absurd. That's why it is crazy. The attitude itself is crazy. So open out yourself because there is an invitation. There is a great invitation for you to enter into that kingdom of God which is promised to you. You must know that God has created this earth. He has created you. He is not going to allow His creation to be destroyed, will He? What are you worried about? He is the One who is going to take you across. He is the One who is going to tell you each and everything that He has, to possess all the beauties, all the blessings that He has, to enjoy them. He is going to do everything for you. But when the boat is crossing, keep quiet. Don't run here and there. All the time the children are running from here and there. You go on catching them. "Come along. Come along." Sometimes even they get drowned. Just keep quiet. Everybody is going to get it, everybody is going to be taken into it and everybody is going to enjoy it. For today I think it was quite a lecture though I have told you that Christ is on this chakra has come and that is the last chakra of Sahasrara which opened on the fifth of May in India in 1970 and since then the new awareness has started becoming, dawning into people. The vibrations have started flowing. And it's a very great thing that you are born at this time and you are the people, the foundations. You are the people who are going to receive it completely. I don't know about the future, what is going to happen to the future and all that but I am sure it is going to work out. And in this London, London which I have always said it's the heart of the universe, we are going to do it with great understanding of the problems of the whole world. If heart is all right everything will be all right because through it everything is going to circulate, and going to improve, and going to nurture, and going to develop this beautiful universe that God has created for you. But first thing you must know is to give up all your misidentifications. And do not go on hankering onto them and again getting identifying yourself with them but keep a complete alert attention on your progress in Sahaja Yoga. I'm sure it is going to work out. May God bless you all! Thank you. So, any questions? Now, ask questions which are related to this lecture. Because if you ask them out of the blue questions, you see not out of the blue questions, see what is there, now I need another lecture. You see, I cannot just say what is God is and things like that. So you please don't ask such questions. Ask something relating to this lecture that would help you and everybody. And ask questions which are constructive. Question: [Inaudible] 5th of May. Shri Mataji: That happened... That is the day when the en-masse Realisation was established... Why? Question: Where? Shri Mataji: Where? In India. Question: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: It happened in My brain. And it happened on a sea shore in India when I saw it.... And of course I will tell you some time how beautifully it worked out, and how beautiful it was. Question: [Inaudible] Shri Mataji: One of the names it is in the one book I have given you, is that Nirvicharita, is thoughtless, beyond thoughts. That is the power. All right, so I bring you down. Now you think of that thought. You see, now you cannot. Can you? Try. No, no. That is the fact. One must accept. You have crossed the Agnya. You see, now you cannot. Enjoy it. Enjoy it. It's very good. Now you can see the thoughts also. Are you returned now? Are you feeling better Hester? Good. This is very beautiful. Enjoy it. Forget it. Forget about that. We are going to meet again and again and you'll have ample time. But the more you will be meeting the more you'll become thoughtless, the more you'll be enjoying the silence within you, more you will be going deep into your own silence, really enjoying it. Actually after Realisation you don't even feel bored. You'll be surprised. You'll be sitting for hours together without getting bored, absolutely without getting bored. And that's how people give up, you see, all these habits of say, smoking and all those because when you are bored you don't know what to do so you take to these habits. That's what you get it. You are not to be forced, you are not to be told but once you start enjoying yourself you just don't do it. [Hindi] Are you better now? Not yet? [Hindi] He's a born-realised, still.

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"The Higher Life," Public Programme, Reading, 1979 This is The Living Power that I am talking about. It has so many more facilities and also capacities to work out that no camera can replace. And there are so many eyes we have gained without any effort, without any money being paid for. Only we realise it when we have a problem with our eyes. In the same way if you have to achieve something higher, if you have to get something more than what we are, if you have to perfect ourselves, the One who has created you, the One who has manifested this human awareness within you is going to do. And He has to do it because it is His creation and He is going to see to it that He achieves the completion of His [Creation]. They were quite shocked, one or two people, when we start talking of God. That is something very, very usual I have seen in people that they do not like it when we talk about God, because they think God is a myth. Now, I would say that before we start off, with such problems of whether there is God or not, let us first see, whatever is said about God, is it [??]; is there some sense in it? Let’s find out that point. If we can find even a little bit of it, then maybe we might be able to see the whole truth. So first of all it is said that, “There is God’s All-pervading Power, which organises everything, works out everything and which loves.” How many of you can say that they have felt it? Very few. What is the reason we cannot feel that within us or around us? Now, for example, here if I say there are all kinds of pictures around you which you cannot see. But if you put a television immediately you catch all these pictures. That means you are not a television as yet to see that. But as soon as we put the television it can catch. It has more sensitivity, more capacity to capture that which looks absolutely hidden and unknown; you cannot see it. In the same way, we have to be something more than what we have been to feel that, to understand that. And that’s what gives you the reason for our seeking. We do feel we are not perfect: there’s something is lacking in us, we have to go beyond; it’s not sufficient for us to be satisfied. That’s how you are seeking. What is that and how we are going to reach there is the second problem which we face. I would say that truth is truth by itself and you cannot conceive it through your own understanding, when you are not in the truth. For example if you are dreaming, then in dreams you cannot think of the truth. Supposing you are all in a dream, you have to be awakened, to know the truth. In a dream you do feel everything being truthful. You think that, “Yes, there’s a ??, there’s a light. Yes all these things are there.” But when you are awakened then you know that it wasn’t real. In the same way we are in a dream which is just a statement from me, which is just a statement from me which I have given to you and for that ?? is that you must keep your minds open and not suddenly jump to any conclusions because you have read something against the Divine Power, but just try to feel it. Because this is your right, this is what God has given you, that you should manifest: that awareness within you by which you can feel the All-pervading Divine Power. And this is not going to be denied to anyone who asks for it. But God is not going to fall at everybody’s feet that, “Please ask for it.” That is your freedom. That is what you have to ask for. You have to desire it. You cannot give up your freedom nor it will be denied. It is respected. In the same way, you cannot take God’s free will; which doesn’t fall at your feet. I request you to seek it. So now I’m talking about that All-pervading Power which you cannot see. I would say it is like a mirror which is God’s reflection on to many things. We cannot see the mirror because we stop at the reflections. Our attention is on the reflection that’s why we cannot feel the bliss; while the mirror is the one that is reflecting and all the reflections are changing. But because our attention is still in that dreamland of reflection we cannot feel that All-pervading Power. So now, is there any method within our being which is being raised by God Almighty? Because if He has created us He must have power which triggers this happening within us by which we become aware of that All-pervading Power. I say there is a method; there is a special instrument within us which is being placed by God. Through our different phases of evolution He has placed different centres within us which are subtle centres in the spinal cord. Now these centres do exist within us and if you want to see these centres you can, with your own eyes, you can visualise it. You can see, some people, I will show you, when we try to raise their Kundalini, you see that this Kundalini will start pulsating. You can see with your naked eyes that triangular bone. In the triangular bone you can see the Kundalini pulsating. And then you can also see the rising of the Kundalini. And you can also see the pulsation of these centres in some. This may not be in every person. It may be in some few people this will happen, but not in every person. Because if there is an obstruction here and here, then only the Kundalini pushes Herself too much, too hard, and that’s how could you see the pulsation very clearly. But some people have such beautiful centres and such beautiful Kundalini and such beautiful desire that it just rises straight away, and just like a jet. You do not see anything and you just become thoughtlessly aware when it crosses the Agnya, this centre here. And then when it opens out this part of the head, which we call as Sahasrara or Brahmarandhra, here, the opening of the Brahma, then the whole thing becomes as if you have become a holy personality - absolutely a holy personality. And at that moment you feel cool vibrations flowing into you. This is a happening and an actualisation and not a sermoning and a brainwashing. Now say, even if it’s my own daughter: if she is not realised, she’s not. I cannot say, “You are realised,” because it is a happening which happens to every individual and one has to be honest about it, that you cannot guarantee it with anyone. If it will work out, well and good: one can work hard on him to pull the Kundalini out. Only the difference is that only those who are realised have got the power to raise the Kundalini: otherwise every Dick, Tom, Harry cannot do it. Like, we think that everybody has right to talk about God. Everybody has. Even Napoleon, Hitler, I mean, anyone. They can talk about God. I mean, nobody is going to catch their tongues and say, “How dare you talk about God? What right have you got? What your authority is?” In the same way about Kundalini also everybody talks. Talking is different, raising it is absolutely different. It’s only possible if the person has that authority from the Divine. It’s the sign of a person who is realised - the one who can raise the Kundalini, who can show you the raising of the Kundalini and can give you Realisation. This is the first time a human being is doing a living work. So far what living work have you done? Say if you have painted this, maybe, all right, very good, artistic, all right. But is it a living work? We cannot germinate even a small, little seed - even one! But here you will be germinating the seeds of human beings. And this is the force here, which is kept here, this living force, awaiting for that happening: which is called as Kundalini. She sleeps there in three and a half coils, very nicely settled down. And She is your Mother, because she gives you your rebirth. Every individual has an individual Mother. And your Kundalini is so sweet a Mother, settled down there. And like a tape recorder, She is taping down all that you have done in the name of God, in the name of such. Even if you are a materialistic person She knows. She knows everything. And while rising She indicates what sort of personality you are, what’s the problem, what centres are catching. There could be physical problems, there could be mental problems, there could be spiritual problems. But She feels so anxious to give you the rebirth that at the first shot Kundalini will rise. And then She settles back again into these centres and tries to nourish them and bring them up. Now these centres are, though subtle, inside the medulla oblongata, you can see them manifested outside as plexuses, as the doctors call them, by different things. For example, this centre manifests the pelvic plexus which also looks after the sex. Now one has to remember that Kundalini is above, so sex cannot have anything to do with Kundalini. And the Deity on this centre is the embodiment of innocence. Say a child who is innocent doesn’t understand any sex. That’s why He’s put down there. Then He incarnates again at this point, as Christ - same personality. Now this one is here at this point where you see my mark is. Inside the brain where the optic chiasma crosses each other, at that point it is. It controls your pituitary and pineal. Then the other one is this centre which moves around your stomach. This one helps manifest our aortic plexus and looks after all the physical organs that are over here, like the liver, a part of liver, pancreas, your spleen and again kidneys. This is the creative centre which looks after the creative side. This is the creative side within us. So if, supposing, somebody is catching on this, supposing he is catching on the right hand side, means definitely he must be an artist. That means he is using too much of his creativity; he is imbalanced as far as creativity is concerned. Say if he is catching on the other side, on the left hand side Swadishthana, then that means that person has been indulging into some sort of a black magic, or is being under the influence of the black magic. Means just the opposite of the creativity of mind: in the sense that his mental capacities have been used, his emotional capacities have been used for wrong things. And that is how you know when you catch on Swadishthana that you have this problem. Mostly people who are possessed, people who have wrong type of gurus, they have this problem, they catch onto the Left Swadishthana. Or you can see on, here is the thumb, and that thumb, you see thumbs indicating. When you are a realised-soul you start feeling all these centres on your five fingers. So if you start feeling heat on the right or the left, accordingly you will know what is the position of your problem and what is actually wrong with you. Say, for a liver patient immediately you catch it here, right hand side. That means your liver is in problems. A person who is very much all the time thinking, mentally using his capacity to produce something for the future, because right side is for the future. So if you are a big planner and all time you are planning and if the planning has got into you as a habit then this chakra starts working very fast, and at this stage what happens that the other side is completely neglected. Because of the neglect this side becomes frozen, and that’s how such people develop diabetes, because of imbalance. One side is used too much, another side is not used. Like, morning you get up, have a wash, go to the office, come back home, work out, then again you go through the next day. You have no time for your wife, or children or anything. You are a busy man, then have your diabetes. That’s what it will take you a little worse. So the nature tries to give you balance. Such people also get heart attacks, because the Left Side being neglected, they get heart attack. So that is to say that, in life, whatever imbalances come to us are also because of using up this side or that side. And, like that, all these centres - one by one I cannot tell you today, in such a short time - all these centres show that you have to be in the centre. If you are a temperate person and not with extremes, you keep to the centre. At that time when the person is absolutely in the centre, he is neither too much on the left or on the right. He is not too much emotional and neither too much mental. Then, at that time the Kundalini rises in the proper way. Because when you are on one side, I would say the left and right sympathetic nervous systems, both on the left and the right as you see here working out in this way: when you move too much on one side this is also very dangerous and that’s how we develop a disconnection; the connection between the two is lost. When this is lost, it starts working on its own. When it has starting working on its own, now see this centre if it starts working on its own, it loses this connection with the whole. And that time cancer is set in. Cancer is not so very old disease. It’s a modern disease, cancer is. How it has come to be, is because these fifty years we have realised that we have to find something out to evolve. We all are conscious of it, whether we like it or not, but we are all conscious of it, that the present life that we are living is nonsense. Because of this consciousness and because of the development of the ego in us, we start understanding that we have been working on something that is not the end of our life or that there’s something more and that is why the tension you see. See our forefathers, say three generations back, didn’t know what tension was, what was cancer. This is a very modern stuff is the tension. When the tension is built up, again the imbalance starts. And when the imbalance starts you start moving either to right or to the left. In the beginning it is maybe just a disease or just a little problem here and there, but it can develop into anything serious like depending on the centres which are catching. Specially if in this part there is an imbalance then cancer of the stomach is set in: leukemia. Leukaemia is just this. And leukaemia can be cured through Sahaja Yoga you’ll be amazed. But don’t bring all the leukaemia patients to me, because we need people who are doctors themselves, who themselves are first of all cured and then you can cure leukaemia patients. You can see that by giving them a full balance in this area, you can cure them. Now this science of God’s own method is absolutely perfect.There cannot be two opinions about it, there cannot be. Like, if you go to the doctor, he may say something [is] wrong with your eyes, he may say something is wrong with your brain, he may say something’s wrong with your throat and you just have temperature! So you don’t know what to say. I mean, it could be anywhere wrong, anywhere, according to every doctor you come against. But in Sahaja Yoga, when you get Realisation: means, when the Kundalini pierces through, as I told you, and as the vibrations start flowing, you don’t have any two opinions about it - everybody feels the same. Say you have some children who are realised-souls. There are many children in this country who are born-realised and they have vibrations. You put ten children together and tie up their eyes and ask them to feel the vibrations and they all will tell the same thing about a person. There are not two opinions. There cannot be two opinions about it. And this is how, once the vibrations start flowing through you, gradually you start understanding their language. You understand what they mean. The whole decoding is explained to you and you can verify yourself. For example, somebody comes in, and you catch on this. Today only we had a patient and she was catching on this one. So I asked her, I said, “Where is your father?” She said, “He died suddenly. I couldn’t meet him.” And then she came out with the whole problem about her father. She said, “I’m so worried because you see, at this time, I am catching about his dying,” and this and that. I said, “All right.” And then she told me the Deity she worships, that is also the same centre right hand side, right side hand side of the heart we have a centre here. And so I asked her, “Why didn’t you ask your father to leave you alone now and promise that you are all right and that he should take his birth if he likes, but he should not bother about you?” And she felt better. And she had asthma. It’s very simple. But everybody cannot do it, because you must be a person who is authorised. You must have your vibrations flowing; otherwise it has no meaning. So it is absolutely to be understood that you cannot make a circus out of it. You cannot sort of make a hypocritical announcement about it, and you cannot force, “Oh,” that, “No you are this.” If you are that, you are that. If you are not, you are not. It is so simple and once you accept this fact, you will be amazed that you will progress much faster. But one should be able to face it, which is a very difficult thing. The first concentration comes from your own ego. It’s a horrible stuff sits on the head here. This is the ego, is a by-product of the activity of the right hand side. And it presses this one down to such an extent that it can become congested on the Agnya, the whole thing. So you can become a Napoleon as far as your thinking is concerned, can be with that. And when you start praising it, you really don’t understand, “How my ego is now giving me ideas!” And the ideas, you will find, are so idiotic and so foolish sometimes that you realise suddenly, after Realisation, that this is not you. “This just can’t be.” Because you start seeing it. First of all, as we see now, you can see me, I can see you. I can see this lamp. I say, “Oh, this is the lamp.” That means I am not that lamp because I can see it. All right? Then I can see this room, or this is the room. That means I can see the room. That means I am not the room. I can see these hands, so I’m not the hands. Now I say I can see this body, so I am not this body. I can know my brain, so I am not the brain. I can know my thoughts, then I am not the thoughts. So something definitely is wrong with this. That’s what you are: which sees, knows and understands. And that’s what resides in your heart, reflected in your heart as the Spirit. In Sanskrit language is called as ‘Atma’. I have to use some Sanskrit words for which you must excuse me, because I’m not so good at English first of all, and moreover it is, in the Sanskrit language only, there are some words which are very expressive. Perhaps as you have developed your science and your outward life much more, in the same way, in India, perhaps, people didn’t have to face life in the way you had to face here the dangers of nature; or we can say the life in India is naturally much more peaceful because there is sun, there is no problem of rain, they have clear-cut seasons, so people know how to manage their life in a simple way. That may be the reason that they tried to search within themselves. And from ancient times they have been finding out what is the way to be transformed. And in their finding they did commit, some of them did commit mistakes. And in that committing mistakes, of course it should be forgiven. But some people have been deliberate about it. And those deliberations have created three types of schools which are to be understood. One is that goes onto the right, another goes onto the left, another one goes to the centre. So we have got on the right hand side, the supraconscious area, we call it. And beyond that, is collective supraconscious area. On the left hand side we have got the subconscious area and beyond that is the collective subconscious area. And on top here is the super-conscious area, where we enter into the subtleness of Divine Power and start feeling it. That is what one has to achieve. That is what is to be born again, to be twice born. So many people have seen they said, “Mother, I am already twice born.” And I didn’t know what to tell, because they are wrong. If they are I would I would love to see that they are, because we’ll speak the same language; they’ll understand and I will understand. But when this happens to you, this breakthrough takes place, you get connected with the whole. For example, say, this is God, and you are a part in that. Once you get Realisation what happens is that you get connected with God and you start feeling the whole and that’s how you assume, I wouldn’t say ‘assume’, you actualise, collective consciousness, because you just start feeling the centres of others, as well as yours. You start seeing yourself because Self-realisation comes and you start seeing others because you become connected with the whole. So everybody is conscious that we have to be part of the whole. If we do not understand the cycle, if we do not understand our position in the whole we become malignant, we become cancers. Now the idea of “on my own”: there cannot be any life that could be on its own. I was amazed, the other day I was listening to one of the programmes on the TV “Mother’s Long Search” where they were all talking about wholesomeness and that people are searching for wholesomeness. And the most amusing thing was, that they ended up in milking a goat. I just don’t know how it comes to that! To become the whole, if you milk the goats how do you become one with the whole? I just couldn’t understand. But they blame all the modern sciences and the modern technologies and modern living for all the tensions that they have got. And that’s how they say, if you take to goats it will be all right. It is not so. That is just a very misleading conception of life. I agree [that] modernisation and too much of artificialities of life have taken you away from the beauty of life, the aesthetics of life, or the calmness of life, the blissfulness of life, but it has not taken you away from reality by any chance because reality is yet to be found in you. On the contrary, some of the science things are of great help to Sahaja Yoga and I must pay my tribute to it. For example, now, my photograph has the vibrations of very...I mean I wouldn’t say as good as me being there, but quite a lot the presence, you can feel it. And we have cured people through my photographs. But, if there were no photographs I don’t think the people would have worked that fast. Then there are many other things which work out. For example, I speak on the loudspeaker. And one of the disciples told me in India that, “Mother, we see your vibrations getting into the mic which you are using. But again, we see them again relayed out from the loud speakers that they have. I said, “Is that the thing?” So I started using the mic on my chakras, and it worked wonders. I was surprised that how it is expanded. So all these discoveries have come to us as a blessing from God. He Himself has given these to us, for us to finish our mundane work, day-to-day work. Imagine you could not have been here today: you would have been ploughing your field somewhere. And you must be walking for miles together to come to this Church Street, you see. But, can you believe, it’s worked out in this way that you have so much of time. And people know that time is important: they are having watches and they say, “You must save time. You must save time.” For what? What are we saving for? You ask somebody, “I must save time. I am very late!” Then when I say, “What’s it?” “I must go to London.” I said, “What is it?” “I have to attend a ball.” That’s what the saving of time is for! Also you must ask somebody else, he’ll say, “Oh, I have go to the pub. There are friends I have to see,” Is this the way are we going to save our time? So, even the unconscious is trying to give us a proper guideline to be finding that superior power. By running away from anything you are not going to get it. You don’t have to run away from London to get it. If you run away to any furthest place from London, still you will be there with all your problems, with all your ideas about things. I have seen people who have been in the jungles, they are living in the jungles, but they will have a compound to their house. So I said, “Now, why you have a compound?” Then they have a locker. So I said, “You are still carrying the same germ in your head. You think you have achieved a lot of freedom by running away.” What is there to run away when you are free? If you are absolutely free what is there to run away? You can face reality and enjoy it when you are absolutely free. And that absolute freedom is to be achieved. But the idea of freedom also is so much clouded in us that we think that if we play into our weaknesses we are the freest people. If the society allows us to enjoy our weaknesses we [think we] are the best. I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised tomorrow some sort of laws may come up that you must allow people to thieve. It’s possible. How can you say they will not? Because people are so fond of thieving, you know. If we have some kleptomaniacs in majority, in any country, they may say that, “You must allow us to thieve, because we are all kleptomaniacs. We enjoy that.” And they may have a complete enterprise which is built on kleptomaniac style of habits to be pampered. So to allow any of our weaknesses to sit on our head is not the way we are going to be free. Freedom comes by which we become so powerful that nothing can enslave us. We enjoy our freedom and we worship the freedom of others. We understand them. We never aggress on others, nor do we take in aggression but we stand in our own, we talk in our own freedom. That is what freedom is. But all those ideas I cannot correct by just standing here and giving you lectures. It’s another brainwashing. But what happens when the Kundalini rises She enlightens all of the centres. By enlightenment you start seeing the whole thing. Like in this room if it is dark I can’t see anything, but if there is light I can see everything clearly, I can relate everything to everyone. I know what is what, what is the use for what. But if there is no light I cannot see. And this is what is enlightenment. When the Kundalini rises, She enlightens all these centres. And when these centres are enlightened within us, we have physical, emotional, mental and spiritual enlightenment, by which we get completely integrated and we start seeing things as they are, relating them as they are, and we find our peace within. Now it sounds very fantastic. It’s too much to believe. “After all, you see Mother, you can’t explain.” That’s true. I must say, it is fantastic. I mean, I am myself surprised the way people get Self-realisation. It’s really fantastic. But it is not also, because this all building up has taken thousands of years within you. It has been built up all everything nicely. It could be if you supposing take a nice television set in India and if you have electricity by chance in the village, which is probably not. But supposing there is electricity and you put the television and if it starts working people will say, “How can it be? We can’t just believe it! It’s a miracle! How can it happen?” Or a telephone for example, you see. When first the telephone started, I remember in my house, telephone came for the first time when I was about seven or eight years of age. And we used to ring up the whole day and the whole night to our friends. And we were so excited about it. We couldn’t believe how we could talk to some people who were away from us. But this is what it is that your instrument is all ready, but when it starts working, it starts working. And the whole thing then, it looks so fantastic, and you start feeling that power within you by which you know also all the answers to all your absolute questions like, “Is there God?” You ask the question now in your heart, “Is there God?” and the answer will be through vibrations, says, “Yes.” You ask about any absolute question, this rapport will be established. Like you are a computer and the computer which is very minutely built, in so many years and ages, and so many lives of yours that now you we have this and it just clicks. It is just that. Now if I have to say that it can be understood rationally - you cannot understand it. Because the triggering takes place by which you enter into the realm which is a beyond realm. And there you see everything and you feel the whole thing is just a dream, and a drama and you are just a witness, which is also described in The Bible. Now I have just separated Bible here because we are mostly, we have come through Bible only, you see. But I was amazed that people are so disappointed about Christianity, also about churches; and they think that they are good for nothing. So then I have to say that Sahaja Yoga is not a religion outside, it’s not an organised religion by human beings. It is a thing that is within us, is spontaneously happening within us and it works out absolutely without any concern to your community, race, or to your colour, or to your nationality, or to your position or whatever may be the relationship you may have with each other. For the husband may get Realisation; the wife may not. my own two daughters are not yet realised. Can you believe that? But my four grandchildren are born-realised and they are great people. So this is what is possible. And whatever is so, you shouldn’t mind. And in this country, I must say, as I have said many a times, that I think this is the heart of the universe. That’s how I was just placed in this country. I didn’t come otherwise. I was just placed. As you know my husband got elected to this job and I had to be here. So I came down and saw how the people here are very much more balanced, and are very wise and really scholarly type. And if they get to anything they do it very fast. But to get to anything itself, is very difficult [for them]! And, because, perhaps they have been disillusioned by so many nonsensical movements that everywhere they go they are searching God, and they want to seek. And, “Let’s see what’s it all about. It’s another story going on.” So, I have to tell you one more thing that you haven’t come to give me anything. Actually, you cannot give me anything. That’s the sad bit is. I’m the one who can only give you. Like you take so much from nature. What can you give to nature? You cannot. But after Realisation you’ll be surprised you can give vibrations to nature. And this can be done in a way that nobody can do otherwise. If you, if you see a farm which has been vibrated and which has been tilled by realised-souls, you’ll be amazed, they produce ten times more wheat, and the wheat has a special glow about and it tastes so nice. I have seen with my own eyes and I was amazed. I have been amazed about it. These things are so much to be understood and you can say now that, unless and until it happens to you, one should not believe it. But once it happens you will be amazed and then you must believe it. Because even then if you do not believe it, then it’s a dangerous thing. Because then the vibrations come down within you and they start disappearing from you and then you are amazed and then you will call me and tell me, “Mother, it was all right first day. I got it and then I lost it.” So that should not happen to all of you people. I wish you all a very great luck. Let’s see now what is the situation with all of you and let’s work it out. We have people here who were just like you and they got Realisation. Now they are glowing and they are enjoying their life and they are not at all bored and so they have given up all their nonsense. I do not want to tell you, “Don’t do this, don’t do that.” because I will manage it, so that it you do not just do it. You see, there is a way about these things. And it will happen that your all priorities will change, and you’ll be such a different person that you would just not do that because you won't enjoy it. You will start enjoying yourself, when you get the nectar of life, when you get the bliss that you have got within you, then you do not go for these cheap, frivolous things. You will not destroy it. It is automatically dropped from you. It is not done by any force or by any conviction, or by any talking about it. It just happens to you. So may God bless you. It’s such a big, large subject, you know that. I cannot talk to you in this short time. And I have to tell you that, why I have been late at this programme. The public thought I was very late. And I went round the whole of the corners. Perhaps the vibrations had to go round and I had to go round. And that’s how Gavin got lost. He never gets lost normally! And I said, “This is what one has to go through,” ??? But there are so many others who can be masters, and I had to go there. So I was enjoying this. And now I see it’s very late, but I would like to see how the position is. Before that I would like you to ask me sensible questions. But why I say sensible questions is because you know that there are some really cracked people - some just coming from the lunatic asylum. We had one like that. And he came out with such a horrible question. I looked at him and I knew what it was then. He went on. But then he realised that he was very much possessed. He’s cured now, he’s cured now. He’s very much better. So, all kinds of people we have helped. So I would request you: ask sensible questions which will help you to move, and which will be helpful to your ascent ultimately. Shri Mataji: How are you? Sahaja Yogi: Very very good vibrations. Shri Mataji: I am all right. Sahaja Yogi: You look fine. Shri Mataji: I am all the time all right. I wish everybody could have that. How about you? You ask some questions. New Yogi: Excuse me. I’m rather handicapped at hearing and such but, if I look at your photo and I did feel the coolness of the hands immediately, and I’m terrible for rests but I did feel after a while, as I notice now, that the pain disappeared which I have etc. But erm, wouldn’t it be sufficient, if I had done that each day, and done that for about ten minutes. And apparently I was being worked on as well by someone. Would it be OK without [being worked on]? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, it should be. You see, once you have touched it, once you have touched it, you are just there. But you have to maintain it and keep it up. I would say the situation is like this: that if you are getting drowned and you are brought in and put in the ship or on the boat, now you still remember that, you see? So many again will topple down. So steady yourself! Now somebody asked me, “Mother, when are we steady?” I said, “When you are steady you are steady.” And you don’t find that question anymore once you become steady. So there is no guarantee of time or anything but it can be just a minute. As a second also it can work out. New Yogi: Thank you Mother. I am trying concentrate on... Shri Mataji: It’s already, you see, worked in you. And your ears can be improved also. It’s not difficult to improve your ears. We’ll tell you some methods by which, because of this centre being in trouble your ears are affected. If you can improve this centre your ears will improve. All right? Shri Mataji: ?? Sahaja Yogini: No, I suffer from epilepsy. Shri Mataji: What? Sahaja Yogini: I have got epilepsy. Someone told me how to clear. Shri Mataji: Yes, that is clearing for Hamsa. Sahaja Yogini: My Hamsa? Shri Mataji: Yes. All right? Sahaja Yogini: I suffer from epilepsy Mother. Shri Mataji: I can quite understand, you see, because your Agnya is caught. But now I wouldn’t say that. It’s such a short time. Now where did you get it first? Sahaja Yogini: I got the epilepsy last year. Shri Mataji: Did you go to any guru or anything? (short break in recording) ...you know, we should have brought. You know, you’ll be amazed we use some things called lemons. You know, lemons: oranges and lemons, you see. And those lemons you can vibrate. They have such absorbers of vibrations that they keep the vibrations within themselves. And in the night the vibrations come out and work on a person and in one or two days, you can work it out. Good, good, all right. So we’ll work it out for you. Hmm? Now, what else? What is the other problem? Epilepsy is curable, but you have to a little bit cooperate. All right? Are you feeling better now? Sahaja Yogini: But the main thing is I’ve got it ?? from years ago. But since I got the epilepsy last year, you know… Shri Mataji: Shoebeat, all right? It’s a question of this centre being blocked. And when this centre is blocked then that also is lacking in you, and that's why it happens. But do you know a simple method of curing this one after Realisation, is the mantra for this centre is The Lord’s Prayer. After Realisation you have to say The Lord’s Prayer because Christ is the One who actually keeps us away from dead spirits. And these horrible dead spirits, these busibodies, they don’t want again with life, they hang around where they enter into you and trouble you. It’s worth seeing the way they affect people. But I have seen in the churches; now for example here is the church and I saw huge, big these blocks which are used for the tombs. So that way, they must be having lots of dead spirits. Now if you go to the church you will not get realised, but you will get possessed! I don’t know from where this idea came into the minds of people: to put all the dead in the church! I mean even if you want to have a place for them, you can have them outside. That is only for the dead. But your children go there, you all go there. I mean, no wonder people are getting mad here - because these are all dead spirits. And out of them maybe at least five per cent are dissatisfied souls, and five per cent are these depraved people. Because whether is a saint or a depraved person, they can all go to hell. And they might be affecting you. So I saw it and I was rather amazed. Have you seen? Have you noticed it? It’s the warning. And they were very shocked they said, “Now, when are we going to the church? Because look, how many are going to reach the God?” So this is what it is. We must understand all about all these things that can affect us, that can trouble us. And then when we realise it, then we can control them, control our own problems, and can control them also. They have no reasons to be here at all. We have nothing to do with them. They are dead and gone. We are in the present, they are in the past. They should be in the past. So they want to just enter into this area and want to manifest. Sahaja Yogini: Mother, You talked about the dead entering the living. Could this have happened to my mother? She was knocked down by a car and banged her head, and two months later she found my father dead and since this, she is not the same person anymore. Shri Mataji: But she can be cured, my child. Absolutely, she can be cured. Sahaja Yogini: It’s is my father’s fault. I've felt that. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. Yes, yes, absolutely. It’s not question of haunting, you see. The father feels for the mother that he thinks that she is been knocked down by the car and he feels concerned about her. So he is to be told and he can go. Sahaja Yogini: I have thought that inwardly, but I haven’t able approach her for the moment and want to very much. Shri Mataji: Where is she now? Sahaja Yogini: She is in Bracknell, in Berkshire. She’s not here tonight. Shri Mataji: But you can get ??? or maybe I can ??. It’s not difficult. All right? It’s a very common disease this is. Very common. All right? It’s very common. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, if you don’t mind, I have to speak on behalf of my wife, who led me here, you see, because she can’t speak herself. But she did write you a letter and we brought it to you but there was nobody here. So it’s actually a letter from her explaining her problem. Shri Mataji: What is the problem in a nutshell. Can you tell me just now what is the problem? You can ask her. If you can speak about it, but if you feel that it is not all right then I don’t mind. Sahaja Yogi: No, the problem is that last August she began losing the power of her voice and now she can’t speak at all, not to any extent. If she spoke you wouldn't be able to understand her. And also she finds it very difficult to swallow and feels as if she’s choking when she swallows. And she’s seen doctors and specialists, consultants. They don’t know what causes it and they say they haven’t any treatment for it. Shri Mataji: Absolutely. It’s just the same. It’s nothing so difficult. All right? She’s catching on the Vishuddhi chakra, this one, here, at the back, and that’s how she has got it. It’s very common. You come and see our programme. Sahaja Yogini: This is the lady. Shri Mataji: She’s the lady? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: We can work it out on her after the programme. Seeker: My little boy here, he cannot speak or hear. He’s deaf and dumb. Could anything be done? Shri Mataji: We can do something. We can do. So got any problems? All right. You have? Sahaja Yogi: On the heart chakra Mother. Shri Mataji: You have a heart trouble? Do you feel frightened? Sahaja Yogi: No, not really, I’m not frightened. I don’t get frightened. The only problem is I don’t have the energy to do anything. It is coming from the angina. Shri Mataji: Angina is curable. You have to meditate. It’s all right. All right? Have faith. What do you want? Sahaja Yogini: ?? Shri Mataji: You see this bondage itself. That means... And there are certain principles that we observe about it, getting out of it. And, especially during the winter [UNCLEAR WORDS]. But really, you must have a bath. Whatever may be the cold or anything, we all have baths, every day, and then we go out. And here because it’s cold, they will take bath, hot bath. But I was amazed [when] I was in some Himalayan villages, they never take [hot] bath. Always in cold, absolutely cold. You see, because the difference in temperature is so much there, they don’t do it much. That’s why if you look to the persons here, they do not take bath too much. And solve lots of problems, see, of having very few bathrooms and this. And secondly the another thing is that, even if they take it, they take it in the night. But that should be religiously and should not be avoided because when you take your bath you should not go out at least for two, three hours because it catches. And secondly I have seen here when you go out, mostly what happens is that this portion is always kept opened, because this portion is regarded as something which should be shown to people. So it will be harder to cover this portion of your mouth and nose. But I think this might be one of the reasons why women who observe, for example, some of the religions... But if you could just, if it is very, very cold by any chance, if you could just cover this portion of our mouth, or of our nose and of the part of the mouth, it would very good for us. Because then, these troubles starts because of the sinus. And the sinuses get swollen up because of this cold coming on the nose. I mean, we cover the whole body, we cover everywhere but the nose is exposed. And because of that exposure, complete exposure, this portion gets inflamed and then the sinus starts working out here and because of that, you see, we get this trouble. Now this is the chakra which controls this, called as ‘Hamsa’. Is this centre here, which - just place your finger there, yes, no, just below. Yes just below that is that centre here, which works it out. Now the best way to get rid of this coldy-ness (sic) is to be cautious about the climate here - cautious about it. But secondly there are so many things in Sahaja Yoga to cure this centre. And which they will tell you how to cure this centre, how to cure also this centre. If you could cure these two centres then you cannot catch cold much. But another thing which is very good for the throat is salt. And there’s a simple grandmother’s medicine for this to appease, that you take the, heat a little salt in butter and put that in your throat and in your sinus; a little warm so that it clears out and the salt absorbs the cold. It’s very nice and you’ll feel very much better. And you can take an onion and roast it and foment it here. Cut it into pieces, cool it a bit and put on the eyes, so that the sinus would be cured. It should be done thrice or four times before sleeping. And there some other things also one can try. But there is another method by which we can cure cold forever. Sort of we can develop immunity, which is called Jal Neti in the yoga. Because we use yoga wherever it is required at whatever point is. We do not use yoga in the way people do, indiscriminately use, but whenever it is required. Like Jal Neti is required for people who catch very much on this centre and get diseases. It’s a kind of a water carrier that they have. We call that as a Neti. And that one has a, what you call, as a snout which is coming out just like a, just like a kettle. And when you put a little tepid water and the salt in it, you can start pouring: that goes from one end of the nose. And you’ll be surprised that, because of gravity, from the other side it goes down, just like as if the water is poured out. You see, it goes on falling down. And when it falls down like that, it sucks down. Because of the vacuum that is created, it sucks all the mucus and everything from this centre. And you can also use it the other side, like that. If you do it for say about ten days both the type, it helps you a lot. And then gradually you reduce it, and gradually you reduce it. Then you will be absolutely free of the cold - you do not get cold much. Because the salt goes there and sucks out all the problems. And the treatment lasts about for two months or so. Which they can also teach you some medicines, because I am now experimenting with it, and trying to see. Because this is the first time I have seen that, in this country, I also catch cold. Because I have to have vibrations for your cold, so I get cold. When your cold is all right my cold is also. Because I accumulate that vibration as cold, and then it passes to you and you feel all right and I get cold. It’s like that. So it is, a cold is the problem which you have, is the national problem. And it should be dealt with it on a national basis and in this way it can be worked out. You can become absolutely immune to it, it’s not difficult. But if you have that problem you can work it out sometime. You can get rid of the sinusitis. But for the time being, you can just use the onion which is a very successful treatment, and use that butter. Butter, heat some nice butter to a boiling point and put some salt in and let it cool down as much as you can bear it. And then put it in your, here, and see that it is good and hot. And then you can pour it through your nose. It will be useful one. It will sooth your membrane and also salt will suck through osmosis, it will suck it through inside. So it is another grandmother’s medicine which is very useful I must tell you. If you have the salt here I can vibrate it for you. It’s very good for the throat. You should use vibrated salt, vibrated sugar. For liver also if you can use vibrated sugar it’s good. I think among you, many people are suffering from liver, which you are not aware of. But you have there and I know you are suffering. So if you shouldn’t. Now what we do is to, from the hands, you see, these vibrations start flowing. Then we do our hands in such a way that we put a covering, or, sort of, enlightening our aura so that nothing enters into us. And we can enlighten others’ auras also. There are so many ways how you put the bandhan. But the vibrations must flow: that’s the first point. If there are no vibrations it’s like binding a dead wood. So it is about physical weakness or something else you are worried about? Sahaja Yogini: Can I help a dog with a damaged spine, Mother? Shri Mataji: Whose? Sahaja Yogini: My mother’s dog. It’s got a damaged spine. It’s a really cute dog. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, by all means, why not? You see, it’s such, you have got it, the vibrations. You put one hand to the dog the other hand to the photo. Just just see. It’s good. I’m happy it’s your mother’s, otherwise if I told you on anybody else’s, you would not have tried. You try, it’s very simple. Just put your hands, just try. Any problem? Sahaja Yogi: I’m catching on this one. Shri Mataji: How are you? Are you all right? Sahaja Yogini: Not too bad. Shri Mataji: Are you feeling any cool breeze in the hands? Sahaja Yogini: Yes. Shri Mataji: Good. Are you feeling also? You will be amazed, you’ll start looking much younger, all of you. I mean, I don't recognise people after Realisation! When I look at realised-souls, I must say I don’t recognise them, and they say, “Mother, we have been to you! Have you forgotten us?” I said, “No, but your faces are so radiant!” because you look so relaxed, you see. It’s good. Living in any place where so many people got Realisation. What about you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Seeker: I feel. Shri Mataji: You? Seeker: It’s hard to describe. Shri Mataji: Let others see you. Come along here. What about him, are you getting the cool breeze? Seeker: Yes. (End of recording)

"The Higher Life," Public Programme, Reading, 1979 This is The Living Power that I am talking about. It has so many more facilities and also capacities to work out that no camera can replace. And there are so many eyes we have gained without any effort, without any money being paid for. Only we realise it when we have a problem with our eyes. In the same way if you have to achieve something higher, if you have to get something more than what we are, if you have to perfect ourselves, the One who has created you, the One who has manifested this human awareness within you is going to do. And He has to do it because it is His creation and He is going to see to it that He achieves the completion of His [Creation]. They were quite shocked, one or two people, when we start talking of God. That is something very, very usual I have seen in people that they do not like it when we talk about God, because they think God is a myth. Now, I would say that before we start off, with such problems of whether there is God or not, let us first see, whatever is said about God, is it [??]; is there some sense in it? Let’s find out that point. If we can find even a little bit of it, then maybe we might be able to see the whole truth. So first of all it is said that, “There is God’s All-pervading Power, which organises everything, works out everything and which loves.” How many of you can say that they have felt it? Very few. What is the reason we cannot feel that within us or around us? Now, for example, here if I say there are all kinds of pictures around you which you cannot see. But if you put a television immediately you catch all these pictures. That means you are not a television as yet to see that. But as soon as we put the television it can catch. It has more sensitivity, more capacity to capture that which looks absolutely hidden and unknown; you cannot see it. In the same way, we have to be something more than what we have been to feel that, to understand that. And that’s what gives you the reason for our seeking. We do feel we are not perfect: there’s something is lacking in us, we have to go beyond; it’s not sufficient for us to be satisfied. That’s how you are seeking. What is that and how we are going to reach there is the second problem which we face. I would say that truth is truth by itself and you cannot conceive it through your own understanding, when you are not in the truth. For example if you are dreaming, then in dreams you cannot think of the truth. Supposing you are all in a dream, you have to be awakened, to know the truth. In a dream you do feel everything being truthful. You think that, “Yes, there’s a ??, there’s a light. Yes all these things are there.” But when you are awakened then you know that it wasn’t real. In the same way we are in a dream which is just a statement from me, which is just a statement from me which I have given to you and for that ?? is that you must keep your minds open and not suddenly jump to any conclusions because you have read something against the Divine Power, but just try to feel it. Because this is your right, this is what God has given you, that you should manifest: that awareness within you by which you can feel the All-pervading Divine Power. And this is not going to be denied to anyone who asks for it. But God is not going to fall at everybody’s feet that, “Please ask for it.” That is your freedom. That is what you have to ask for. You have to desire it. You cannot give up your freedom nor it will be denied. It is respected. In the same way, you cannot take God’s free will; which doesn’t fall at your feet. I request you to seek it. So now I’m talking about that All-pervading Power which you cannot see. I would say it is like a mirror which is God’s reflection on to many things. We cannot see the mirror because we stop at the reflections. Our attention is on the reflection that’s why we cannot feel the bliss; while the mirror is the one that is reflecting and all the reflections are changing. But because our attention is still in that dreamland of reflection we cannot feel that All-pervading Power. So now, is there any method within our being which is being raised by God Almighty? Because if He has created us He must have power which triggers this happening within us by which we become aware of that All-pervading Power. I say there is a method; there is a special instrument within us which is being placed by God. Through our different phases of evolution He has placed different centres within us which are subtle centres in the spinal cord. Now these centres do exist within us and if you want to see these centres you can, with your own eyes, you can visualise it. You can see, some people, I will show you, when we try to raise their Kundalini, you see that this Kundalini will start pulsating. You can see with your naked eyes that triangular bone. In the triangular bone you can see the Kundalini pulsating. And then you can also see the rising of the Kundalini. And you can also see the pulsation of these centres in some. This may not be in every person. It may be in some few people this will happen, but not in every person. Because if there is an obstruction here and here, then only the Kundalini pushes Herself too much, too hard, and that’s how could you see the pulsation very clearly. But some people have such beautiful centres and such beautiful Kundalini and such beautiful desire that it just rises straight away, and just like a jet. You do not see anything and you just become thoughtlessly aware when it crosses the Agnya, this centre here. And then when it opens out this part of the head, which we call as Sahasrara or Brahmarandhra, here, the opening of the Brahma, then the whole thing becomes as if you have become a holy personality - absolutely a holy personality. And at that moment you feel cool vibrations flowing into you. This is a happening and an actualisation and not a sermoning and a brainwashing. Now say, even if it’s my own daughter: if she is not realised, she’s not. I cannot say, “You are realised,” because it is a happening which happens to every individual and one has to be honest about it, that you cannot guarantee it with anyone. If it will work out, well and good: one can work hard on him to pull the Kundalini out. Only the difference is that only those who are realised have got the power to raise the Kundalini: otherwise every Dick, Tom, Harry cannot do it. Like, we think that everybody has right to talk about God. Everybody has. Even Napoleon, Hitler, I mean, anyone. They can talk about God. I mean, nobody is going to catch their tongues and say, “How dare you talk about God? What right have you got? What your authority is?” In the same way about Kundalini also everybody talks. Talking is different, raising it is absolutely different. It’s only possible if the person has that authority from the Divine. It’s the sign of a person who is realised - the one who can raise the Kundalini, who can show you the raising of the Kundalini and can give you Realisation. This is the first time a human being is doing a living work. So far what living work have you done? Say if you have painted this, maybe, all right, very good, artistic, all right. But is it a living work? We cannot germinate even a small, little seed - even one! But here you will be germinating the seeds of human beings. And this is the force here, which is kept here, this living force, awaiting for that happening: which is called as Kundalini. She sleeps there in three and a half coils, very nicely settled down. And She is your Mother, because she gives you your rebirth. Every individual has an individual Mother. And your Kundalini is so sweet a Mother, settled down there. And like a tape recorder, She is taping down all that you have done in the name of God, in the name of such. Even if you are a materialistic person She knows. She knows everything. And while rising She indicates what sort of personality you are, what’s the problem, what centres are catching. There could be physical problems, there could be mental problems, there could be spiritual problems. But She feels so anxious to give you the rebirth that at the first shot Kundalini will rise. And then She settles back again into these centres and tries to nourish them and bring them up. Now these centres are, though subtle, inside the medulla oblongata, you can see them manifested outside as plexuses, as the doctors call them, by different things. For example, this centre manifests the pelvic plexus which also looks after the sex. Now one has to remember that Kundalini is above, so sex cannot have anything to do with Kundalini. And the Deity on this centre is the embodiment of innocence. Say a child who is innocent doesn’t understand any sex. That’s why He’s put down there. Then He incarnates again at this point, as Christ - same personality. Now this one is here at this point where you see my mark is. Inside the brain where the optic chiasma crosses each other, at that point it is. It controls your pituitary and pineal. Then the other one is this centre which moves around your stomach. This one helps manifest our aortic plexus and looks after all the physical organs that are over here, like the liver, a part of liver, pancreas, your spleen and again kidneys. This is the creative centre which looks after the creative side. This is the creative side within us. So if, supposing, somebody is catching on this, supposing he is catching on the right hand side, means definitely he must be an artist. That means he is using too much of his creativity; he is imbalanced as far as creativity is concerned. Say if he is catching on the other side, on the left hand side Swadishthana, then that means that person has been indulging into some sort of a black magic, or is being under the influence of the black magic. Means just the opposite of the creativity of mind: in the sense that his mental capacities have been used, his emotional capacities have been used for wrong things. And that is how you know when you catch on Swadishthana that you have this problem. Mostly people who are possessed, people who have wrong type of gurus, they have this problem, they catch onto the Left Swadishthana. Or you can see on, here is the thumb, and that thumb, you see thumbs indicating. When you are a realised-soul you start feeling all these centres on your five fingers. So if you start feeling heat on the right or the left, accordingly you will know what is the position of your problem and what is actually wrong with you. Say, for a liver patient immediately you catch it here, right hand side. That means your liver is in problems. A person who is very much all the time thinking, mentally using his capacity to produce something for the future, because right side is for the future. So if you are a big planner and all time you are planning and if the planning has got into you as a habit then this chakra starts working very fast, and at this stage what happens that the other side is completely neglected. Because of the neglect this side becomes frozen, and that’s how such people develop diabetes, because of imbalance. One side is used too much, another side is not used. Like, morning you get up, have a wash, go to the office, come back home, work out, then again you go through the next day. You have no time for your wife, or children or anything. You are a busy man, then have your diabetes. That’s what it will take you a little worse. So the nature tries to give you balance. Such people also get heart attacks, because the Left Side being neglected, they get heart attack. So that is to say that, in life, whatever imbalances come to us are also because of using up this side or that side. And, like that, all these centres - one by one I cannot tell you today, in such a short time - all these centres show that you have to be in the centre. If you are a temperate person and not with extremes, you keep to the centre. At that time when the person is absolutely in the centre, he is neither too much on the left or on the right. He is not too much emotional and neither too much mental. Then, at that time the Kundalini rises in the proper way. Because when you are on one side, I would say the left and right sympathetic nervous systems, both on the left and the right as you see here working out in this way: when you move too much on one side this is also very dangerous and that’s how we develop a disconnection; the connection between the two is lost. When this is lost, it starts working on its own. When it has starting working on its own, now see this centre if it starts working on its own, it loses this connection with the whole. And that time cancer is set in. Cancer is not so very old disease. It’s a modern disease, cancer is. How it has come to be, is because these fifty years we have realised that we have to find something out to evolve. We all are conscious of it, whether we like it or not, but we are all conscious of it, that the present life that we are living is nonsense. Because of this consciousness and because of the development of the ego in us, we start understanding that we have been working on something that is not the end of our life or that there’s something more and that is why the tension you see. See our forefathers, say three generations back, didn’t know what tension was, what was cancer. This is a very modern stuff is the tension. When the tension is built up, again the imbalance starts. And when the imbalance starts you start moving either to right or to the left. In the beginning it is maybe just a disease or just a little problem here and there, but it can develop into anything serious like depending on the centres which are catching. Specially if in this part there is an imbalance then cancer of the stomach is set in: leukemia. Leukaemia is just this. And leukaemia can be cured through Sahaja Yoga you’ll be amazed. But don’t bring all the leukaemia patients to me, because we need people who are doctors themselves, who themselves are first of all cured and then you can cure leukaemia patients. You can see that by giving them a full balance in this area, you can cure them. Now this science of God’s own method is absolutely perfect.There cannot be two opinions about it, there cannot be. Like, if you go to the doctor, he may say something [is] wrong with your eyes, he may say something is wrong with your brain, he may say something’s wrong with your throat and you just have temperature! So you don’t know what to say. I mean, it could be anywhere wrong, anywhere, according to every doctor you come against. But in Sahaja Yoga, when you get Realisation: means, when the Kundalini pierces through, as I told you, and as the vibrations start flowing, you don’t have any two opinions about it - everybody feels the same. Say you have some children who are realised-souls. There are many children in this country who are born-realised and they have vibrations. You put ten children together and tie up their eyes and ask them to feel the vibrations and they all will tell the same thing about a person. There are not two opinions. There cannot be two opinions about it. And this is how, once the vibrations start flowing through you, gradually you start understanding their language. You understand what they mean. The whole decoding is explained to you and you can verify yourself. For example, somebody comes in, and you catch on this. Today only we had a patient and she was catching on this one. So I asked her, I said, “Where is your father?” She said, “He died suddenly. I couldn’t meet him.” And then she came out with the whole problem about her father. She said, “I’m so worried because you see, at this time, I am catching about his dying,” and this and that. I said, “All right.” And then she told me the Deity she worships, that is also the same centre right hand side, right side hand side of the heart we have a centre here. And so I asked her, “Why didn’t you ask your father to leave you alone now and promise that you are all right and that he should take his birth if he likes, but he should not bother about you?” And she felt better. And she had asthma. It’s very simple. But everybody cannot do it, because you must be a person who is authorised. You must have your vibrations flowing; otherwise it has no meaning. So it is absolutely to be understood that you cannot make a circus out of it. You cannot sort of make a hypocritical announcement about it, and you cannot force, “Oh,” that, “No you are this.” If you are that, you are that. If you are not, you are not. It is so simple and once you accept this fact, you will be amazed that you will progress much faster. But one should be able to face it, which is a very difficult thing. The first concentration comes from your own ego. It’s a horrible stuff sits on the head here. This is the ego, is a by-product of the activity of the right hand side. And it presses this one down to such an extent that it can become congested on the Agnya, the whole thing. So you can become a Napoleon as far as your thinking is concerned, can be with that. And when you start praising it, you really don’t understand, “How my ego is now giving me ideas!” And the ideas, you will find, are so idiotic and so foolish sometimes that you realise suddenly, after Realisation, that this is not you. “This just can’t be.” Because you start seeing it. First of all, as we see now, you can see me, I can see you. I can see this lamp. I say, “Oh, this is the lamp.” That means I am not that lamp because I can see it. All right? Then I can see this room, or this is the room. That means I can see the room. That means I am not the room. I can see these hands, so I’m not the hands. Now I say I can see this body, so I am not this body. I can know my brain, so I am not the brain. I can know my thoughts, then I am not the thoughts. So something definitely is wrong with this. That’s what you are: which sees, knows and understands. And that’s what resides in your heart, reflected in your heart as the Spirit. In Sanskrit language is called as ‘Atma’. I have to use some Sanskrit words for which you must excuse me, because I’m not so good at English first of all, and moreover it is, in the Sanskrit language only, there are some words which are very expressive. Perhaps as you have developed your science and your outward life much more, in the same way, in India, perhaps, people didn’t have to face life in the way you had to face here the dangers of nature; or we can say the life in India is naturally much more peaceful because there is sun, there is no problem of rain, they have clear-cut seasons, so people know how to manage their life in a simple way. That may be the reason that they tried to search within themselves. And from ancient times they have been finding out what is the way to be transformed. And in their finding they did commit, some of them did commit mistakes. And in that committing mistakes, of course it should be forgiven. But some people have been deliberate about it. And those deliberations have created three types of schools which are to be understood. One is that goes onto the right, another goes onto the left, another one goes to the centre. So we have got on the right hand side, the supraconscious area, we call it. And beyond that, is collective supraconscious area. On the left hand side we have got the subconscious area and beyond that is the collective subconscious area. And on top here is the super-conscious area, where we enter into the subtleness of Divine Power and start feeling it. That is what one has to achieve. That is what is to be born again, to be twice born. So many people have seen they said, “Mother, I am already twice born.” And I didn’t know what to tell, because they are wrong. If they are I would I would love to see that they are, because we’ll speak the same language; they’ll understand and I will understand. But when this happens to you, this breakthrough takes place, you get connected with the whole. For example, say, this is God, and you are a part in that. Once you get Realisation what happens is that you get connected with God and you start feeling the whole and that’s how you assume, I wouldn’t say ‘assume’, you actualise, collective consciousness, because you just start feeling the centres of others, as well as yours. You start seeing yourself because Self-realisation comes and you start seeing others because you become connected with the whole. So everybody is conscious that we have to be part of the whole. If we do not understand the cycle, if we do not understand our position in the whole we become malignant, we become cancers. Now the idea of “on my own”: there cannot be any life that could be on its own. I was amazed, the other day I was listening to one of the programmes on the TV “Mother’s Long Search” where they were all talking about wholesomeness and that people are searching for wholesomeness. And the most amusing thing was, that they ended up in milking a goat. I just don’t know how it comes to that! To become the whole, if you milk the goats how do you become one with the whole? I just couldn’t understand. But they blame all the modern sciences and the modern technologies and modern living for all the tensions that they have got. And that’s how they say, if you take to goats it will be all right. It is not so. That is just a very misleading conception of life. I agree [that] modernisation and too much of artificialities of life have taken you away from the beauty of life, the aesthetics of life, or the calmness of life, the blissfulness of life, but it has not taken you away from reality by any chance because reality is yet to be found in you. On the contrary, some of the science things are of great help to Sahaja Yoga and I must pay my tribute to it. For example, now, my photograph has the vibrations of very...I mean I wouldn’t say as good as me being there, but quite a lot the presence, you can feel it. And we have cured people through my photographs. But, if there were no photographs I don’t think the people would have worked that fast. Then there are many other things which work out. For example, I speak on the loudspeaker. And one of the disciples told me in India that, “Mother, we see your vibrations getting into the mic which you are using. But again, we see them again relayed out from the loud speakers that they have. I said, “Is that the thing?” So I started using the mic on my chakras, and it worked wonders. I was surprised that how it is expanded. So all these discoveries have come to us as a blessing from God. He Himself has given these to us, for us to finish our mundane work, day-to-day work. Imagine you could not have been here today: you would have been ploughing your field somewhere. And you must be walking for miles together to come to this Church Street, you see. But, can you believe, it’s worked out in this way that you have so much of time. And people know that time is important: they are having watches and they say, “You must save time. You must save time.” For what? What are we saving for? You ask somebody, “I must save time. I am very late!” Then when I say, “What’s it?” “I must go to London.” I said, “What is it?” “I have to attend a ball.” That’s what the saving of time is for! Also you must ask somebody else, he’ll say, “Oh, I have go to the pub. There are friends I have to see,” Is this the way are we going to save our time? So, even the unconscious is trying to give us a proper guideline to be finding that superior power. By running away from anything you are not going to get it. You don’t have to run away from London to get it. If you run away to any furthest place from London, still you will be there with all your problems, with all your ideas about things. I have seen people who have been in the jungles, they are living in the jungles, but they will have a compound to their house. So I said, “Now, why you have a compound?” Then they have a locker. So I said, “You are still carrying the same germ in your head. You think you have achieved a lot of freedom by running away.” What is there to run away when you are free? If you are absolutely free what is there to run away? You can face reality and enjoy it when you are absolutely free. And that absolute freedom is to be achieved. But the idea of freedom also is so much clouded in us that we think that if we play into our weaknesses we are the freest people. If the society allows us to enjoy our weaknesses we [think we] are the best. I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised tomorrow some sort of laws may come up that you must allow people to thieve. It’s possible. How can you say they will not? Because people are so fond of thieving, you know. If we have some kleptomaniacs in majority, in any country, they may say that, “You must allow us to thieve, because we are all kleptomaniacs. We enjoy that.” And they may have a complete enterprise which is built on kleptomaniac style of habits to be pampered. So to allow any of our weaknesses to sit on our head is not the way we are going to be free. Freedom comes by which we become so powerful that nothing can enslave us. We enjoy our freedom and we worship the freedom of others. We understand them. We never aggress on others, nor do we take in aggression but we stand in our own, we talk in our own freedom. That is what freedom is. But all those ideas I cannot correct by just standing here and giving you lectures. It’s another brainwashing. But what happens when the Kundalini rises She enlightens all of the centres. By enlightenment you start seeing the whole thing. Like in this room if it is dark I can’t see anything, but if there is light I can see everything clearly, I can relate everything to everyone. I know what is what, what is the use for what. But if there is no light I cannot see. And this is what is enlightenment. When the Kundalini rises, She enlightens all these centres. And when these centres are enlightened within us, we have physical, emotional, mental and spiritual enlightenment, by which we get completely integrated and we start seeing things as they are, relating them as they are, and we find our peace within. Now it sounds very fantastic. It’s too much to believe. “After all, you see Mother, you can’t explain.” That’s true. I must say, it is fantastic. I mean, I am myself surprised the way people get Self-realisation. It’s really fantastic. But it is not also, because this all building up has taken thousands of years within you. It has been built up all everything nicely. It could be if you supposing take a nice television set in India and if you have electricity by chance in the village, which is probably not. But supposing there is electricity and you put the television and if it starts working people will say, “How can it be? We can’t just believe it! It’s a miracle! How can it happen?” Or a telephone for example, you see. When first the telephone started, I remember in my house, telephone came for the first time when I was about seven or eight years of age. And we used to ring up the whole day and the whole night to our friends. And we were so excited about it. We couldn’t believe how we could talk to some people who were away from us. But this is what it is that your instrument is all ready, but when it starts working, it starts working. And the whole thing then, it looks so fantastic, and you start feeling that power within you by which you know also all the answers to all your absolute questions like, “Is there God?” You ask the question now in your heart, “Is there God?” and the answer will be through vibrations, says, “Yes.” You ask about any absolute question, this rapport will be established. Like you are a computer and the computer which is very minutely built, in so many years and ages, and so many lives of yours that now you we have this and it just clicks. It is just that. Now if I have to say that it can be understood rationally - you cannot understand it. Because the triggering takes place by which you enter into the realm which is a beyond realm. And there you see everything and you feel the whole thing is just a dream, and a drama and you are just a witness, which is also described in The Bible. Now I have just separated Bible here because we are mostly, we have come through Bible only, you see. But I was amazed that people are so disappointed about Christianity, also about churches; and they think that they are good for nothing. So then I have to say that Sahaja Yoga is not a religion outside, it’s not an organised religion by human beings. It is a thing that is within us, is spontaneously happening within us and it works out absolutely without any concern to your community, race, or to your colour, or to your nationality, or to your position or whatever may be the relationship you may have with each other. For the husband may get Realisation; the wife may not. my own two daughters are not yet realised. Can you believe that? But my four grandchildren are born-realised and they are great people. So this is what is possible. And whatever is so, you shouldn’t mind. And in this country, I must say, as I have said many a times, that I think this is the heart of the universe. That’s how I was just placed in this country. I didn’t come otherwise. I was just placed. As you know my husband got elected to this job and I had to be here. So I came down and saw how the people here are very much more balanced, and are very wise and really scholarly type. And if they get to anything they do it very fast. But to get to anything itself, is very difficult [for them]! And, because, perhaps they have been disillusioned by so many nonsensical movements that everywhere they go they are searching God, and they want to seek. And, “Let’s see what’s it all about. It’s another story going on.” So, I have to tell you one more thing that you haven’t come to give me anything. Actually, you cannot give me anything. That’s the sad bit is. I’m the one who can only give you. Like you take so much from nature. What can you give to nature? You cannot. But after Realisation you’ll be surprised you can give vibrations to nature. And this can be done in a way that nobody can do otherwise. If you, if you see a farm which has been vibrated and which has been tilled by realised-souls, you’ll be amazed, they produce ten times more wheat, and the wheat has a special glow about and it tastes so nice. I have seen with my own eyes and I was amazed. I have been amazed about it. These things are so much to be understood and you can say now that, unless and until it happens to you, one should not believe it. But once it happens you will be amazed and then you must believe it. Because even then if you do not believe it, then it’s a dangerous thing. Because then the vibrations come down within you and they start disappearing from you and then you are amazed and then you will call me and tell me, “Mother, it was all right first day. I got it and then I lost it.” So that should not happen to all of you people. I wish you all a very great luck. Let’s see now what is the situation with all of you and let’s work it out. We have people here who were just like you and they got Realisation. Now they are glowing and they are enjoying their life and they are not at all bored and so they have given up all their nonsense. I do not want to tell you, “Don’t do this, don’t do that.” because I will manage it, so that it you do not just do it. You see, there is a way about these things. And it will happen that your all priorities will change, and you’ll be such a different person that you would just not do that because you won't enjoy it. You will start enjoying yourself, when you get the nectar of life, when you get the bliss that you have got within you, then you do not go for these cheap, frivolous things. You will not destroy it. It is automatically dropped from you. It is not done by any force or by any conviction, or by any talking about it. It just happens to you. So may God bless you. It’s such a big, large subject, you know that. I cannot talk to you in this short time. And I have to tell you that, why I have been late at this programme. The public thought I was very late. And I went round the whole of the corners. Perhaps the vibrations had to go round and I had to go round. And that’s how Gavin got lost. He never gets lost normally! And I said, “This is what one has to go through,” ??? But there are so many others who can be masters, and I had to go there. So I was enjoying this. And now I see it’s very late, but I would like to see how the position is. Before that I would like you to ask me sensible questions. But why I say sensible questions is because you know that there are some really cracked people - some just coming from the lunatic asylum. We had one like that. And he came out with such a horrible question. I looked at him and I knew what it was then. He went on. But then he realised that he was very much possessed. He’s cured now, he’s cured now. He’s very much better. So, all kinds of people we have helped. So I would request you: ask sensible questions which will help you to move, and which will be helpful to your ascent ultimately. Shri Mataji: How are you? Sahaja Yogi: Very very good vibrations. Shri Mataji: I am all right. Sahaja Yogi: You look fine. Shri Mataji: I am all the time all right. I wish everybody could have that. How about you? You ask some questions. New Yogi: Excuse me. I’m rather handicapped at hearing and such but, if I look at your photo and I did feel the coolness of the hands immediately, and I’m terrible for rests but I did feel after a while, as I notice now, that the pain disappeared which I have etc. But erm, wouldn’t it be sufficient, if I had done that each day, and done that for about ten minutes. And apparently I was being worked on as well by someone. Would it be OK without [being worked on]? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, it should be. You see, once you have touched it, once you have touched it, you are just there. But you have to maintain it and keep it up. I would say the situation is like this: that if you are getting drowned and you are brought in and put in the ship or on the boat, now you still remember that, you see? So many again will topple down. So steady yourself! Now somebody asked me, “Mother, when are we steady?” I said, “When you are steady you are steady.” And you don’t find that question anymore once you become steady. So there is no guarantee of time or anything but it can be just a minute. As a second also it can work out. New Yogi: Thank you Mother. I am trying concentrate on... Shri Mataji: It’s already, you see, worked in you. And your ears can be improved also. It’s not difficult to improve your ears. We’ll tell you some methods by which, because of this centre being in trouble your ears are affected. If you can improve this centre your ears will improve. All right? Shri Mataji: ?? Sahaja Yogini: No, I suffer from epilepsy. Shri Mataji: What? Sahaja Yogini: I have got epilepsy. Someone told me how to clear. Shri Mataji: Yes, that is clearing for Hamsa. Sahaja Yogini: My Hamsa? Shri Mataji: Yes. All right? Sahaja Yogini: I suffer from epilepsy Mother. Shri Mataji: I can quite understand, you see, because your Agnya is caught. But now I wouldn’t say that. It’s such a short time. Now where did you get it first? Sahaja Yogini: I got the epilepsy last year. Shri Mataji: Did you go to any guru or anything? (short break in recording) ...you know, we should have brought. You know, you’ll be amazed we use some things called lemons. You know, lemons: oranges and lemons, you see. And those lemons you can vibrate. They have such absorbers of vibrations that they keep the vibrations within themselves. And in the night the vibrations come out and work on a person and in one or two days, you can work it out. Good, good, all right. So we’ll work it out for you. Hmm? Now, what else? What is the other problem? Epilepsy is curable, but you have to a little bit cooperate. All right? Are you feeling better now? Sahaja Yogini: But the main thing is I’ve got it ?? from years ago. But since I got the epilepsy last year, you know… Shri Mataji: Shoebeat, all right? It’s a question of this centre being blocked. And when this centre is blocked then that also is lacking in you, and that's why it happens. But do you know a simple method of curing this one after Realisation, is the mantra for this centre is The Lord’s Prayer. After Realisation you have to say The Lord’s Prayer because Christ is the One who actually keeps us away from dead spirits. And these horrible dead spirits, these busibodies, they don’t want again with life, they hang around where they enter into you and trouble you. It’s worth seeing the way they affect people. But I have seen in the churches; now for example here is the church and I saw huge, big these blocks which are used for the tombs. So that way, they must be having lots of dead spirits. Now if you go to the church you will not get realised, but you will get possessed! I don’t know from where this idea came into the minds of people: to put all the dead in the church! I mean even if you want to have a place for them, you can have them outside. That is only for the dead. But your children go there, you all go there. I mean, no wonder people are getting mad here - because these are all dead spirits. And out of them maybe at least five per cent are dissatisfied souls, and five per cent are these depraved people. Because whether is a saint or a depraved person, they can all go to hell. And they might be affecting you. So I saw it and I was rather amazed. Have you seen? Have you noticed it? It’s the warning. And they were very shocked they said, “Now, when are we going to the church? Because look, how many are going to reach the God?” So this is what it is. We must understand all about all these things that can affect us, that can trouble us. And then when we realise it, then we can control them, control our own problems, and can control them also. They have no reasons to be here at all. We have nothing to do with them. They are dead and gone. We are in the present, they are in the past. They should be in the past. So they want to just enter into this area and want to manifest. Sahaja Yogini: Mother, You talked about the dead entering the living. Could this have happened to my mother? She was knocked down by a car and banged her head, and two months later she found my father dead and since this, she is not the same person anymore. Shri Mataji: But she can be cured, my child. Absolutely, she can be cured. Sahaja Yogini: It’s is my father’s fault. I've felt that. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. Yes, yes, absolutely. It’s not question of haunting, you see. The father feels for the mother that he thinks that she is been knocked down by the car and he feels concerned about her. So he is to be told and he can go. Sahaja Yogini: I have thought that inwardly, but I haven’t able approach her for the moment and want to very much. Shri Mataji: Where is she now? Sahaja Yogini: She is in Bracknell, in Berkshire. She’s not here tonight. Shri Mataji: But you can get ??? or maybe I can ??. It’s not difficult. All right? It’s a very common disease this is. Very common. All right? It’s very common. Sahaja Yogi: Mother, if you don’t mind, I have to speak on behalf of my wife, who led me here, you see, because she can’t speak herself. But she did write you a letter and we brought it to you but there was nobody here. So it’s actually a letter from her explaining her problem. Shri Mataji: What is the problem in a nutshell. Can you tell me just now what is the problem? You can ask her. If you can speak about it, but if you feel that it is not all right then I don’t mind. Sahaja Yogi: No, the problem is that last August she began losing the power of her voice and now she can’t speak at all, not to any extent. If she spoke you wouldn't be able to understand her. And also she finds it very difficult to swallow and feels as if she’s choking when she swallows. And she’s seen doctors and specialists, consultants. They don’t know what causes it and they say they haven’t any treatment for it. Shri Mataji: Absolutely. It’s just the same. It’s nothing so difficult. All right? She’s catching on the Vishuddhi chakra, this one, here, at the back, and that’s how she has got it. It’s very common. You come and see our programme. Sahaja Yogini: This is the lady. Shri Mataji: She’s the lady? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: We can work it out on her after the programme. Seeker: My little boy here, he cannot speak or hear. He’s deaf and dumb. Could anything be done? Shri Mataji: We can do something. We can do. So got any problems? All right. You have? Sahaja Yogi: On the heart chakra Mother. Shri Mataji: You have a heart trouble? Do you feel frightened? Sahaja Yogi: No, not really, I’m not frightened. I don’t get frightened. The only problem is I don’t have the energy to do anything. It is coming from the angina. Shri Mataji: Angina is curable. You have to meditate. It’s all right. All right? Have faith. What do you want? Sahaja Yogini: ?? Shri Mataji: You see this bondage itself. That means... And there are certain principles that we observe about it, getting out of it. And, especially during the winter [UNCLEAR WORDS]. But really, you must have a bath. Whatever may be the cold or anything, we all have baths, every day, and then we go out. And here because it’s cold, they will take bath, hot bath. But I was amazed [when] I was in some Himalayan villages, they never take [hot] bath. Always in cold, absolutely cold. You see, because the difference in temperature is so much there, they don’t do it much. That’s why if you look to the persons here, they do not take bath too much. And solve lots of problems, see, of having very few bathrooms and this. And secondly the another thing is that, even if they take it, they take it in the night. But that should be religiously and should not be avoided because when you take your bath you should not go out at least for two, three hours because it catches. And secondly I have seen here when you go out, mostly what happens is that this portion is always kept opened, because this portion is regarded as something which should be shown to people. So it will be harder to cover this portion of your mouth and nose. But I think this might be one of the reasons why women who observe, for example, some of the religions... But if you could just, if it is very, very cold by any chance, if you could just cover this portion of our mouth, or of our nose and of the part of the mouth, it would very good for us. Because then, these troubles starts because of the sinus. And the sinuses get swollen up because of this cold coming on the nose. I mean, we cover the whole body, we cover everywhere but the nose is exposed. And because of that exposure, complete exposure, this portion gets inflamed and then the sinus starts working out here and because of that, you see, we get this trouble. Now this is the chakra which controls this, called as ‘Hamsa’. Is this centre here, which - just place your finger there, yes, no, just below. Yes just below that is that centre here, which works it out. Now the best way to get rid of this coldy-ness (sic) is to be cautious about the climate here - cautious about it. But secondly there are so many things in Sahaja Yoga to cure this centre. And which they will tell you how to cure this centre, how to cure also this centre. If you could cure these two centres then you cannot catch cold much. But another thing which is very good for the throat is salt. And there’s a simple grandmother’s medicine for this to appease, that you take the, heat a little salt in butter and put that in your throat and in your sinus; a little warm so that it clears out and the salt absorbs the cold. It’s very nice and you’ll feel very much better. And you can take an onion and roast it and foment it here. Cut it into pieces, cool it a bit and put on the eyes, so that the sinus would be cured. It should be done thrice or four times before sleeping. And there some other things also one can try. But there is another method by which we can cure cold forever. Sort of we can develop immunity, which is called Jal Neti in the yoga. Because we use yoga wherever it is required at whatever point is. We do not use yoga in the way people do, indiscriminately use, but whenever it is required. Like Jal Neti is required for people who catch very much on this centre and get diseases. It’s a kind of a water carrier that they have. We call that as a Neti. And that one has a, what you call, as a snout which is coming out just like a, just like a kettle. And when you put a little tepid water and the salt in it, you can start pouring: that goes from one end of the nose. And you’ll be surprised that, because of gravity, from the other side it goes down, just like as if the water is poured out. You see, it goes on falling down. And when it falls down like that, it sucks down. Because of the vacuum that is created, it sucks all the mucus and everything from this centre. And you can also use it the other side, like that. If you do it for say about ten days both the type, it helps you a lot. And then gradually you reduce it, and gradually you reduce it. Then you will be absolutely free of the cold - you do not get cold much. Because the salt goes there and sucks out all the problems. And the treatment lasts about for two months or so. Which they can also teach you some medicines, because I am now experimenting with it, and trying to see. Because this is the first time I have seen that, in this country, I also catch cold. Because I have to have vibrations for your cold, so I get cold. When your cold is all right my cold is also. Because I accumulate that vibration as cold, and then it passes to you and you feel all right and I get cold. It’s like that. So it is, a cold is the problem which you have, is the national problem. And it should be dealt with it on a national basis and in this way it can be worked out. You can become absolutely immune to it, it’s not difficult. But if you have that problem you can work it out sometime. You can get rid of the sinusitis. But for the time being, you can just use the onion which is a very successful treatment, and use that butter. Butter, heat some nice butter to a boiling point and put some salt in and let it cool down as much as you can bear it. And then put it in your, here, and see that it is good and hot. And then you can pour it through your nose. It will be useful one. It will sooth your membrane and also salt will suck through osmosis, it will suck it through inside. So it is another grandmother’s medicine which is very useful I must tell you. If you have the salt here I can vibrate it for you. It’s very good for the throat. You should use vibrated salt, vibrated sugar. For liver also if you can use vibrated sugar it’s good. I think among you, many people are suffering from liver, which you are not aware of. But you have there and I know you are suffering. So if you shouldn’t. Now what we do is to, from the hands, you see, these vibrations start flowing. Then we do our hands in such a way that we put a covering, or, sort of, enlightening our aura so that nothing enters into us. And we can enlighten others’ auras also. There are so many ways how you put the bandhan. But the vibrations must flow: that’s the first point. If there are no vibrations it’s like binding a dead wood. So it is about physical weakness or something else you are worried about? Sahaja Yogini: Can I help a dog with a damaged spine, Mother? Shri Mataji: Whose? Sahaja Yogini: My mother’s dog. It’s got a damaged spine. It’s a really cute dog. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, by all means, why not? You see, it’s such, you have got it, the vibrations. You put one hand to the dog the other hand to the photo. Just just see. It’s good. I’m happy it’s your mother’s, otherwise if I told you on anybody else’s, you would not have tried. You try, it’s very simple. Just put your hands, just try. Any problem? Sahaja Yogi: I’m catching on this one. Shri Mataji: How are you? Are you all right? Sahaja Yogini: Not too bad. Shri Mataji: Are you feeling any cool breeze in the hands? Sahaja Yogini: Yes. Shri Mataji: Good. Are you feeling also? You will be amazed, you’ll start looking much younger, all of you. I mean, I don't recognise people after Realisation! When I look at realised-souls, I must say I don’t recognise them, and they say, “Mother, we have been to you! Have you forgotten us?” I said, “No, but your faces are so radiant!” because you look so relaxed, you see. It’s good. Living in any place where so many people got Realisation. What about you? Are you feeling the cool breeze? Seeker: I feel. Shri Mataji: You? Seeker: It’s hard to describe. Shri Mataji: Let others see you. Come along here. What about him, are you getting the cool breeze? Seeker: Yes. (End of recording)

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis. Bala's, Birmingham (UK), 16 June 1979. Shri Mataji: Are you better now? So all the centres which are in you or in anyone, are reflections of the centres of the Primordial being. Alright? Supposing that Primordial Being takes a Human form, ?? That the completion of that was done when Krishna came ?? Sampurna?. But still for human beings it was necessary to be resurrected so his son was Christ, his own son, that was why he was called as Christ, from Krishna, Christ. And he came on this earth to show you how to fulfil the description about Divine Power that was given to us by Krishna, that it cannot be killed by any weapon, it cannot be blown by any strong winds, it cannot be cut, it is immortal. That's why the embodiment of that immortal principle of Brahma was Christ, came on this earth. That's why ? and Krishna placed him higher than him, if you read the Devi Mahatmayam that you find ? the incarnation of Mahavishnu he called him Mahavishnu, his own son was called as Mahavishnu and that was Christ, ? I have been with all of them, and with Krishna ? And now I have come as a Mother as only a Mother can do this job, it's a very difficult job it requires a lot of patience Krishna can't do it, he is not ? Though he plays tricks with you. So I had to come and Krishna had to ? All of them are settled down here nicely, they are here so they are not incarnations in that way, so that's it in a nutshell. My position is here because Christ was here and beyond this is the collective now. I may take myself, ..?? I may come later on to sort it out now I am here so you shouldn't worry, just you worry to save people as many as you can. Hah. Better now? There Alright I will tell you about Gita and that's how all your Vishuddhi will be cleared and all the deities come. Put your hands, it's much better, it's much cooler now. (Muffled conversation with yogis) Ah, All of you are going to feel better , mmmm ???? Better? Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: Hot head, Head alright, Mmmm better. Better in the head? Sit down sit down sit down, Ah better now? Ah cooler? ? Better get rid of the idea of how you have been cheated then you will be better you see, ?? Obstruct it. Forget it, ? you get alright then we are going to put it right ?? Totally Like a football in this gentleman? Ha ha ha ha ha. There's another one this Rajneesh, he is localised because the way he is so much allergic to flowers and to fragrance that he starts sneezing so he can't get out of his place you see so he has to be there, even if he has to move from his room, from the lecture hall, he goes into his Mercedes ?? his car. You see Yogi: It always seems to be Left nabhi. Shri Mataji: You all think of getting married and having a nice wife, alright? ? He was asking does it help? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. It does, every Mother does that, she is very anxious to have a nice little wife for her son and a nice husband for her daughter and in a very nice time little little grandchildren. ??? He was very upset on this point, so what I said ??? On the point of marriage. ? Yogi: I was asking him about it yesterday afternoon, but he didn't care to comment. Shri Mataji: ???? His friend got married, Then whom does he marry but a teacher of TM? And that one was such a camouflage, she came to me, horrible vibrations she had , she has got I asked her what have you been doing, she said this year I was TM I was working for them, I said really? She said yes, she said they are paying me a lot of money, ? so I said ??? Black marks on her face, she was a good looking girl. And a brahmacharya I said see now look here ? But she was a teacher for three years then discovered it. ? From there it started, TM you see? You see that's the beginning when she came into the real vibrations,then it has started now ??awareness has started flowing so once later she was upset and she said Mother of all things I needed to go to him, I used to be a simple Indian girl. ? She said imagine this, So I told her I said don't marry because I told her don't marry a Sahaja yogi otherwise so also??you are becoming brothers and sisters you can't, We have tried, we have thousands of them, you cannot marry either they have known each other before or later, now what else? Better now? Better, better. ?? You are unkind to your husband you know, ?? this horrible man he wants to have you celibate you see, throw him in the sea, he taught you how to ?? Yogini: ? Shri Mataji: You had better get alright and then you will see what I mean, ?? but first of all you get out of it, you see he is using you as the hostess that's the problem. That's why I am afraid to do anything, so now you all get well and I will see to it whichever way you want it...upside down? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha You tell me how alright, whatever is satisfied in you ? But I was surprised at some of you say Linda for example she was worried about his well being, I said are you mad? And such nice people you are, there's too much niceness in ? One has to ?? Luckily I was central to the investigation ?? and as I said to the secretary of the president of ours, so I told this president of ours you see, I was very angry I told him he had a very bad heart I told him to have an operation, ?? so he is alright its a very ?? Let him come. ?? Yogi: What is going to happen about taking this movement to court. Shri Mataji: ?? Catholic courts, ? that's something great ?? when Krishna starts playing his tricks ??? You see some of these people who are relations of ?? Yogi: ? Shri Mataji: I will also have some tea. Better now, is it, the void? Yogi: The void. Shri Mataji: Always take the most extreme cases and then you cure them then others get cured also you see. ?? I mean you will be cured no doubt, but when we are curing we are curing ourselves??? Just now, much more sincere. He has religiously collected all his money and passed it over to the ?? This is a thing I am angry about? ?? I mean the way you have been much more sincere and honest about it. Makes me angry that's all. Yogi: How some of the people really could have afforded it I really don't know. Yogi: I mean when you mentioned the fee of £150 per week, people just shudder, you know, They religiously paid out £150 per week. Shri Mataji: They must be eating potatoes to save that money. Yogi: ?? Yogi: I know some people who sold a very nice house Shri Mataji: ???? Spirits Yogi: Yes and then, they live in a small house now. Worse off than when they .... Yogi 2: I know who you are talking about. ?? Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: You see as it is (the?) young people in India, the young people will get a good inheritance quite a lot, but here it is not so, I find ??? You see the young they don't get that much of an inheritance anyway ? On top of that this horrible fellow has come, ? it's too much, you have to build up yourself all of you ??? Inheritance from your parents?? This fellow must have really...???? Yogi: ?? Has anybody mentioned to you..??...Possibly the worst book I have ever come across in TM ( ?? Hammond). She's struggling to get £40,000, they won't give it to her, they are frightened she there she is so bad she can barely ...A couple of years ago you talked to her, she would be looking at you, then her head would drop like this?? Shri Mataji: ?? Mentioned her Shri Mataji: ?? Yogi: ????.she could barely walk, she couldn't keep her head up, it was always down like this, none of the Siddis and of course My mother got blisters on her hands Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: She must be a realised soul Yogi: ? She started Shri Mataji: She might be a realised soul your mother. ?? A realised soul Poor thing you know. Yogi: She feels better than she did. Shri Mataji: She's better Shri Mataji: She'll be better for bringing her to sahaja yoga, She's a realised soul you see the way she is reacting. Even these ?? are another type you see. Horrible, these ?? they went to Denmark and a young girl came to see me, (??) hardly 19 years of age, absolutely ? She had no love in her, without love ?? Left side absent. she came to me and she told me that they wrote to her that we are coming to Denmark in any case make a house which has got a marble floor, so all these young people starved themselves in need for this venture and marble floor? When they came then they said that the road is before you come, near the road you have to go 1001 times like that so you meet the person and then the person comes in and you have to be on a very strict vegetarian diet you see, so poor things, all of them they are eating potatoes and potatoes what they will eat, and they become very thinned down, Then after that they tried all these things, but the worst part is that the girl started conceiving out of this fellow you couldn't help her. And he is still going strong in Denmark, he was so bad you see that ??? There's more on this Better now Yogi: Right heart and agnya Left is alright Shri Mataji: Put your right hand towards me and there. ?? If you go there it will be better ?? Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: You washed my feet yesterday? Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: Where's the salt? You have washed my feet before? Yogi: It isn't going Mother Shri Mataji: you see my vibrations are like ice, there a little warm water will help. You see they are like ice, the ice melts and there again it becomes nice. ? Shri Mataji: Bala you have to get about 5 lbs of salt Yogi: I have got a big container of salt in my room upstairs.?? Yogi: You need some more salt? Shri Mataji: Of course Yogi:?? Shri Mataji: Good right are you better Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: That's good that's good that's good Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji:Your colour will change in the hands gradually, let us see, there, it's getting a shine there you see becoming lighter. Yogi: 1.65 lbs mother Shri Mataji: This is too good Yogi: ?? Make ?? Shri Mataji: Yes That's why it was said you are the salt, salt water, this is the guru you see, that's what saalt teaches us you eat salt as an elements place, you are not to deceive that person, You see Guru is the ocean, ocean represents the Guru, and the salt is the essence of the ocean ?? See. Salt only, just keep it salt better? That's good grab it and rub it hard. Alright? That was nice from Albert Einstein Isn't it. He was a realised soul like Blake he was ?? Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: He ?? But I don't know what happened to his scholarship, ? they are born ?? Shri Mataji: This is from Mrs Mehra? She sent it for you Yogi:? Shri Mataji: So you have that one alright? Mrs Mehra has sent that one for all of you, will you have sufficient that's all, that's the number. Yogi: There is another box. Shri Mataji: Another box? Yogi: yes Yogi:? Would you like one? Yogi: No Yogi: There's some more salt here Shri Mataji: Yah Yogi: Are we going to do the salt treatment? Shri Mataji: Beg pardon? Shri Mataji: you should take it, a good idea? Yogi: You should take it away At home take it out the whole thing ?? Good, for liver you should give the liver diet all of them should have....... Yogi: ??? Salt and lemon cure on their holiday Yogi: They have given me one Shri Mataji: and ? Yogi: It's very good Yogi: It works because it's so horrible, you daren't be ill. Shri Mataji: You will be amazed how it works you see because you know all the things that we think as very important and great in this world has no value in spiritual world. Like Ganeshas, Ganeshas conveyance is a mouse you see, just a mouse, you see we people to show off our greatness, we have cars, and like aeroplanes some people will have just to show off your ego. His vehicle is a mouse that is what it is. In the same way this lemon has a coefficient which really carries Ganeshas powers and it sucks in but it has to be fresh and a little rounded type and then it works better. Not very longish. Yogi: Salt Shri Mataji: No no no lemons, lemons have to be, worst for Sebastian you see the youngest so he has to work the hardest. In our Sahaja yoga the younger people have to work harder you see, but the elders have to love them and give them Presents and gifts you see, a good idea. Ha ha ha ha ha Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: Aha, Thank you very much. Thank you. They liked it. (Speaks in Hindi or Marathi) You should not have put any salt in that, did you put any salt. Yogi: I don't know Mother, I don't ?? Shri Mataji: But it's good for your nabhi, and er Yogini: it tastes very nice Shri Mataji: What do you say Don? Yogi: Vishuddhi Shri Mataji: Left S: Mmm better, is it? Put your hand on his visshuddhi Mmm Yogi: Left Swadishthana Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthana, put your hand on the left Swadishthana. You put on your hand, you put it there please, Yogi:? Shri Mataji: Are you alright? Any better, cool breeze, Good, you see from the eyes you can make out. Your eyes start sparkling ....and first there is dilatation when the kundalini rises above the Agnya. Although sometimes people feel a little blind when it rises but when it pierces the Brahmarandra and it establishes then you get a sparkle in the eyes, eyes are very sparkly. Yogi: why should it be that sometimes you find your eyes burning sometimes, you know you feel it coming up to here then it falls back Shri Mataji: because of Agnya, in the Agnya the kundalini fights primarily because most of your problems are in the Agnya, so she fights there, and when she starts fighting there and then you get this burning and she has to pull them up. Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: You are, your Eyes are very weak that's why, how did you like after that Yogi: very light? Yogi: I did it a couple of days ago I got a tremendous throbbing here and you could see the thing Shri Mataji: the Vishuddhi is very bad, very bad Vishuddhi Yogi:? That would simply ?? Shri Mataji: No no no can be asking for problems you have Vishuddhi, his face used to go into contortions Hello David how are you? Yogi: Hello, I brought my wife too Shri Mataji: That's good I was asking about her I said where is she I have not met her Yes come along. These are your children? Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: That's good, very good, come along, come along. Yogi: Mrs Fraser Shri Mataji: come in come in. Ha ha ha ha ha He is alright ? Sahasrara is opening out Yogi: right heart, Shri Mataji: right heart, right heart Yogi: Peter ?? Shri Mataji: Better now, you being tall you can put your hands through this window here, left hand. Yogi: He looks very different, he looked really sick Shri Mataji: He is looking very different now Yogi: The eyes Shri Mataji: Thank you very much, you yourself you are flowers you see, thank you. What's her name? Yogi: Annette, Mrs Fraser, Shri Mataji: Fraser Shri Mataji: Sit down, sit down sit down, give her some ladu or something to eat mmmmm Yogi: ? Shri Mataji: Shuddha Vidya Shri Mataji: How are you? Yogi: Good Shri Mataji: I was very happy, yes, please make it, then give him a seat. That's good.I think it's time, for a while will be better, let them have the seat, please let him have the seat. You can come or you can sit here. Good, now, shawl is doing the job. Yogi: Is better now ??? Left Vishuddhi, left heart, the heart was sticking, ah well Shri Mataji: left heart ah yes that's ?? Shri Mataji: ah yes what about Mr Ghent, did he come? He was to come today, Yogi: James Shri Mataji: James, James Yogi: I didn't recognise the name Yogi:?? A friend of Philips Shri Mataji: The one who wrote lots of books and Yogi: The yoga fella Shri Mataji:?? Yogi: The yoga fella he said he would come today, will he be over do you think? If that's the one Yogi: Is his name Michael Yogi: John Yogi: John, Denu or something Shri Mataji: Ghent, Gent Shri Mataji:? Yogi: ? Philip knows him, I don't know him Yogini: someone said ten o'clock or something Shri Mataji: Ten? Yogi: to half past ten Yogi: it's half past nine now Yogi: There's a ? Shri Mataji: Left heart, Douglas if you can do ?? Shri Mataji: Some sort of a stool or something, ??? That one? Shri Mataji: Speaks in Hindi Shri Mataji: How many are they, 94,000 are the meditators are they ? I will tell you about dharma but also I want to tell you about ?? Shri Mataji: First I said... alright, I went to..guru...... I went down to Kolapur once, you see ??? that's a great place of the Goddess and I went down there and then I want to go and see him you see he lives on a hill, so I went up this very very steep climbing up, when I went down there.....so you see he can control the rain, this one, and there is something to do with water, he can live in water just like a fish, and his both legs are like this you see, they are broken type, and hands are also like this, poor fellow and he goes about on a tiger, he gives him a occasionally ..so when I went there see the rain had started and he was very angry with the rain that I was getting drenched when I was going to his place you see, nodding his head like this, so when I went there he was in a temper, absolute temper. They have a temper also you see, they have a big temper. So when I went up I picked him up I said now come along don't be angry with the weather and then of course did my Aarti he touched my feet he did everything, but then he said that Mother why did you not allow me to control the rain, were you trying to kill my ego he said, no I did not why should I, you don't have an ego, I said, he said why didn't you allow me. You see I don't like the way you are drenched coming up, completely drenched is not good for me, you are coming to my house, it's such a great day for me and here I find that you are drenched. I said alright I will tell you why something you have bought a sari for me and if I am not drenched I won't take a sari from you and then the whole temper went away you see and he started crying, ?? I was very much touched, but I said there was another point, I said when I was coming up the rain was going over my body, all this place is to be vibrated, you are going to have beautiful greenery here, and that's why I wanted the rain to come, what is going to happen to me he said, I am not going to be affected by it, and then he got the sari and then he was very sweet to me but he is sweet to me but not for others he is horrid absolutely, horrible thing you know he told me that Mother if you find anybody a person who troubles you send them over to me. So once there was this horrible fellow was troubling me too much. You see I have patience with them, but I said you had better go to Maharaj, he was very, Oh Maharaj is cold is it. Because these sanyasi must feel very elated about Maharajs , so I said alright go ahead and see so when he went down with great hopes and when he came after 15/20 days or so he came in such a terrible condition that both the legs were put here, you see he was dangling in the air, people were carrying him I said what has happened how are you here in this way, he said Mother please forgive me and this is the Kabbah, the days of the Maharaj that I .....??.. I said what did you do? He said you see in the night his tiger came and threw me in the cut and I was there for 3 days ?? And he couldn't get out, I was just there for 3 days continuously I was there and then you see lowered some Lotis? and said eat there and be there for some time and then he picked him up and brought him and some people went and assisted him out. Then he said now you go to your Mother and put these feet your legs around your neck and go dangling to her and beg of her. I said what has happened what did he do, he said no no no no I was just a little bit criticising you, I said that Mother does not discriminate between good and bad she gives realisation to everyone you know, I said Oh you are very wise, I must say you are a very wise man, and this is what he has done to me, now you don't send me to him, so they are like that. ?? Then I told him Maharaj you are ?? A temper you see ? he said no these are the days you must have temper otherwise you cannot save them, they are horrid, then they don't want to come down, you see he says you work on these horrid people then Sahaja yogis he went to see you he said these you have got your vibrations for nothing at all I work 21,000 years and then I got, he was a frog since then he has been seeking he says, so I don't know how far it is true, whatever it is, and he said and you got these vibrations just like this, you have no value, you have no value for Mother, you have no value for your vibrations, so he said how many of you are willing to give your life? He said we always give our lives, what is there for Mother, so they came to me and they told me so I asked him, why do you want my children to give their lives for me I should give my life to them ?? he said that's how you spoil them, that's how you spoil them?? they are like children also, he is 108 or something you see, and then I cured his legs and hands, he's better, oh we have so many of such people but they are very hot tempered Yogi: Shri Mataji in India when they have these big festivals with all the sanyasis and sadhus people come and they say they are holy people ??, what is the significance of these holy people, surely ?? Shri Mataji: You see there was one of our Prime Ministers came for a short time and went away in Islamabad.. Now he is a Sahaja yogi poor thing. You know he..in India if you want to give any charity you will find so many sadhus sitting you just announce in the paper that tomorrow oh we'll give charity to people they will all change their dresses they may be thugs, they might be criminals be wanted and all that become like sadhus to get something. I shouldn't say this to you, ha ha ha ha, because all the time we are saying we are too clever and we can't describe our cleverness, we are really too smart you know, and we have no self respect, no self respect about it. You can't understand they will change their dresses and come down and beg of you and take money from you ...? What does it take to become a sadhu you see you can get this sari and dyed it in that colour for one rupee in India only one rupee, you see here it may be a little expensive, but in India only I rupee you dye that and you become a sadhu and you start begging everywhere, we have all kinds of nonsense going on in our country. Yogi: Oh I was going to go to India a long time ago and I can remember bring in Calcutta and walking Shri Mataji: That's the worst Yogi: Down charingay and there was this mother with the child and the child was screaming and had a bandage round it's eyes, and a policeman who was in the middle of the road directing the traffic looked across and then he just stopped the traffic and ran over and ripped this bandage of the child's head and there were 2 cockroaches in the, being held on by the bandage and they were trapped.. Shri Mataji: she might not be the mother also, she might have taken away somebody's child. Yogi: She was making the child blind so it could beg, and you know she just went round the corner and probably put it back on again. Shri Mataji: Yes, So you see when you ask questions you must know that you are in a different play you don't know these horrible people, we have beggars who have buildings in Bombay, they own, you see beggary is our national profession, you don't know that, and our ministers and our Prime Ministers are also doing the same. They are beggars, real beggary, we know you see you must learn from us the way we beg. Yogi: Why then do so many good people come to India why is it such a holy country? Shri Mataji: You see only from the, from the mud the lotus are born, you see it has to be a real mud to create lotuses. It teaches that wretched state that you have to create a lotus, otherwise the horrible place will stink and everybody will die of that pollution. So the lotus has to be born in the worst possible place. That's what it is. See what kind of people we have ?, days......now. You see they kill their own Minister, prime minister Pakistani see one better than the other you see, we are great at people, ha ha. In this matter we are one, only thing we are wise in one thing which you are not seeing ???? And that is something we have got something so great that I wish you could imbibe that. Our women are very great ??, our women you see we have maintained our families, maintained our children we have maintained our society, that's what we have which you do not have. You see our women are very clever you see now he's controlled by his mother through her love, she knows how to make him, first of all they will enter through their stomachs, you see they will feed them so well he must be missing his mother, you see and they look after them so well give them so much of love that's how that part is missing here you see if you have got that love you would not have gone to this kind of a horrible person, you see. You just went there for love actually Yogi: a lot of insecurity Shri Mataji: Lots of insecurity inbuilt. Because of the war perhaps, or maybe, I don't know about the government are really mad here, they are liberating themselves and all nonsense they are doing, you see what we are so powerful in India women are extremely powerful here you see our husbands are supposed to be ruling us supposed to be, but who rules in the family, you can make out, so this is the very great blessing we have that ...our society is good ..... And that the family is intact, and I mean just that way you see that way we are very strict here, extremely strict, there is so much of stupidity, I mean we don't know how to explain these things, the things that are happening here like teaching sex to children and all this. it is stupidity and it's absolutely absurd you see we don't teach this to dogs, why should we teach it to our children. So many things are so stupid and idiotic which you will start seeing very soon after Sahaja yoga so that is the thing very wrong with you I mean we cannot understand that Indians you see we say this is how it works out, it's shocking isn't it? Other relationships like mother, sisters, pure relationships do not exist here, they are all absurd and sort of muddled up this is Freud, Mr Freuds donation to you, and the way you accepted him also, if you had bothered about Jung it would have been better. Just...Good and I think it is a reaction of also of this catholic suppression you see of saying that you cannot achieve God without being celibate and all this suppressed things so you just react to these things, .......that's how it is. Now whatever is sensible you will be inclined to see because of your intelligence, we are told we are out of date sort of thing you see, it's finished so this is modernism, see this is the modern style, it's idiotic I tell you, it is so stupid, it is so stupid that you cannot imagine when the Indians meet you see or say Pakistanis, Indians meet or the other....I had a Mauritius ..they all the time laugh at these things and once there was another story, yes ? it is, so then another says like this. For us it is something absolutely Greek and Latin we just can't understand it. ..better now? Is he better ?? Yogi: Left Agnya Shri Mataji: Left Agnya, Yogi: Strong left Shri Mataji: Mmm Better? We call them two types of sins, one is the sin against the Mother and the other sin against the Father, you commit the sin against the Mother, but sin against the Father you are alright, you do not steal things, But also you see this is a very serious thing in a way. We go to a family .......you just polish off your ....without any compunction, .......you think that is right sort of thing to run away with things and you go to his house and you find your own blanket and you are quite shocked, what to do? You must be having such fun, ha ha that it could be, but an Englishman comes to your house say, I shouldn't say Englishman, but I would say a westerner comes, American specially he comes to your house, he'll manage away your wife, you see next thing you find her missing then who is going to look after the household who is going to look after the children, you see maybe a very young fellow coming in the house like her son, she goes off with him and then there is no law against it, you just can't do this? Yogi: You have laughed at us several times Mother for not being right. And in the orient its tradition, to arrange the marriage, over here it is to meet somebody. Shri Mataji: Yes you see things arranged traditionally are good idea traditional is good because you see we have horoscopes to begin with , So we take your horoscope and we take the horoscope of the girl who we want to marry and we tally it and there has to be at least 26 points minimum. If you do not have 26 points meeting then they don't have marriages, because they believe that marriage won't be successful. You see but if there are 26 points alright then go ahead that's why marriages are rather successful because the temperament and all that you see? They are complimentary so it works out. Also by arranging a marriage everybody is involved in the marriage you see. The parents everybody takes up the responsibility, like mother father everyone so they see to it that the marriage is successful, and thirdly it's a collective sanction of all the society. In a village if you marry now I mean my daughters marriages took place in Bombay, not in a village, but in the real village style, you know, and we have to have so many foolish things in the night, one of them was the cow dung, but I didn't know from where to get cow dung, in Bombay so in India it is not difficult you have to tell somebody in the village you see. A tailor is there to dress up the boy, he comes there you have to give something, he knows all this and then the washer woman comes to give you something else, and like that you see, you have to give them presents you see, so the whole family, the whole household everybody in the village is involved, so you have to have that kind of a leaf, and that kind of a leaf and that kind of a water, and all that is to be brought for the marriage, so everybody's involved with the wedding. But now for this cow dung, I asked somebody you see, and he didn't understand me, can you believe. He brought truck load of cow dung, I didn't know what to do with it, it was such a problem, because in the village it's alright because they do the whole thing....(.all things).......so he brought a truckload of it you see he was also from (Upee), And he had a big what do you call it a dairy where he was having lots of cows and things. So he brought a truckload, he thought Mataji has asked for it, let me take a truckload because in India we might need half a truckload for a wedding because you have to do all that cleaning and everything is done you see with the cow dung. Yogi: What do you do with it? Ha ha ha ha ha Shri Mataji: I sent it back ha ha ha ha Yogi: No, no I mean with the cow dung, what do you actually do? Shri Mataji: You see in India we don't have sort of ...what do you call..?.. Dairy places you see, something so cow dung is surprisingly, I don't know about the cow dung here, but in India is very good you see it doesn't have any smell or anything, fresh cow dung if you spread it on the ground you see it behaves like a cement Yogi: Oh Shri Mataji: it's a cement, it behaves like a cement you see, and then they use it for say cementing the place, for cleaning the place and also for light washing the huts and all that. Ghandijis hut was all white done with the cow dung. Yogi: Like Africa Shri Mataji: Yes, Africa, Yogi: They use cow dung build with it like a cement. Shri Mataji: Yes it is a cement you see cow dung, like a plaster it's very clean makes the wall look very clean and also there is a little you can call it a green colour to it see so the whole place is looks a little green type, it's quite nice it doesn't smell and it's very good because you know the cows always eat only leaves and things they are vegetarians you see so the cow dung is good, Yogi: Does excrement not have bad vibrations? Shri Mataji: They don't have, cows, they don't have ??, but in India, but I don't know about the cows in England, because here the cows look like Buffaloes you see. The cows of England look like Buffaloes. My grandchild said why are the Buffaloes here are white, I can't understand the Buffaloes are white here, she didn't think they were cows you see. So India cows are special something Yogi: They are stuffed full of chemicals anyway Shri Mataji: Yes, I think and you know they make them live in such unnatural circumstances, ..............and never respect them. In India every household has a cow you see so she is treated like a mother, in the family you take her that's how they develop this kind of a feeling for her. But that to such an extent they go I mean you are not going to become a cow now so you see, this is just another extreme they take, but that's how they respect The cows very much and the cows are really so very kind. Better now? Alright. Good. Who has done........Wash.........This.........Again... Who is not doing that, May God bless you. ..........insecticide or say Ajax, which is a horrible treatment Ajax this kills off all the vibrations and I won't tell you that it is to Yogi: Ajax? Shri Mataji: Ajax it is something very horrid. And I tell you that if you put this in your hair your hair will grow, it's like that. Do you understand my point? .......the one who wants to harm you then do this way and he's done this way , westerners of some sort, westerners of sort you see You shouldn't handle salt alright, just put it there and let him take his own salt you just put it down alright now let him take his own salt,............you never give salt to the hands just it is the principle of the guru and the sustainance in us, sustainance in anything whatsoever, in the material world you can see the sustainance, I always give the example of gold you see, that gold is untarnishable, that is the sustainance of gold. In the same way you can say all the Valencies and the properties of the photons and neutrons and electrons in a molecule or I would say in an atom of every element is the sustainance of that element. So you see human beings also have got sustainance is how are you a human being, what are the qualities that describe you as a human being, that is the sustainance for human beings, now the word dharma comes from the word (???) the one which you sustain, the one which you imbibe which is imbibed within you by which you exist as a particular personality, as a human being or as an animal like a scorpion has its own sustainance like a dog has its own sustainance, like a horse has its own sustainance, in the same way human beings have these Ten Commandments as is these is very important, now they can be divided into actually into 2 parts if you see. Again by disobeying one you create the sin against the Mother, by another you create the sin against the Father. Left side and the right side. Now this is within us, inborn it's built in, but if you try to go against it then you start suffering. This is what is the dharma, you have to just maintain it , you don't have to do anything extreme about it but just maintain it. So we have dharmas of different dharmas and that's why it was given to us a long time back and then has been very reverently described, in I would say, in Indian scriptures. The reason is the Indians were more meditating type and they meditated it and whatever they got, say Ten Commandments they got now they would work on it, now what happens if you disobey and what goes wrong where it comes from where is the chakra, which part of the petal it works, what is the name for it and all that. They went into it to find out the details about it. Whatever they discovered through the unconscious you see which they work back you see like they discovered anything in their dream they would go back to it meditate and find out about it. That's how they discovered about many things that are within us and this is only possible in a country like India or say Pakistan where the climate is not so unkind to people and people can just live in the forest and lead a very very simple life. Moreover the society in those days were of such a good way made, the people were so sensitive that whatever the saints said went through you see all of this. You see we have got these four dharmas we make that in the childhood you stay with your parents, then you are 5 years of age you go to a forest, from 5 to say 25 or 20 years of age you stay there a celibate life just like brothers and sisters. Now this is the.. this is the dharma, of the first half of the life as we can say is the brahmacharya at that time you are in celibate, ??? how do you obtain celibacy. You see they also saw to it that they made the society that way, for example talking about sex was absolutely out of the question, thinking about sex was out of the question, they produced all every entertainment and everything, everything in such a way that children took to the sublime relationships like brother and sisters , mother and all these things. So they developed that within them the power to understand that celibacy is the basis of innocence and celibacy must be maintained that age when you are still very very young and you are not yet married then the marriage time came, .then there was the dharma of the family, rastra dharma, the one where you are a household, and that is the dharma for you. You must, first one was the Vidya dharma when you are students second one was your ? Second Dharma when you were in the family. To maintain this dharma of celibacy they started a system by which cannot marry into the same university and the university was named as gotra say your gotra, say my gotra is the Chandi I cannot marry in the same gotra, and if I marry in the same gotra then it is not regarded it is null and void. So all the boys and the girls in the inner city felt that they were brothers and sisters. But not only then but in generations even still today you see you are taking into consideration the gotras. If you do not only the people you see who have got a mixed life or ??....they do not have the gotra brahmacharya otherwise all the people would worry about the gotras to find out what is your position. So this was just to maintain that celibacy point, absolutely clear cut in the minds of the children, when they are studying. At the same time after the married life, you see after the 50 years of age the grandparents would go to the same forest and live with their grandchildren. So there was the love of the grandparents and the grandchildren and they lived together in that very pure atmosphere. And the atmosphere was absolutely pure, and then they were given the ???? The training about the married life, and the wife, oh and there is also the ?? Dharma how to treat your guru, how to recognise him, all these things were laid out in great details to understand well the thing was to be understood by all the students how to behave. Like there are five mothers. You see one of them is the wife of the guru, and the gurus sons were married, and they looked after their students just like their own children, and they were all realised souls if they were not realised souls they were no good. So they at that time only they gave them this idea of dharma, it was built up. You see this was all good for the society and then they got married and after the marriage you see they went and had children and there was only one man and one woman relationship. There was no question of having all these nonsensical ideas of incompatibility.. But from the very beginning it was true that indulgence in sex is not the way to God, you have to do it because you have to have children and you have to be very temperate about it. It is only to express your love to your wife that it is done and that is how the Putni dharma and then the pati dharma and all these dharmas the relationships with each other is established. Now dharma means sustainance which delimits your behaviour which glorifies your relationship that was a dharma started out. But basically it is our sustainance which is built by God himself within us you see like a tree of mango will give only mangos. In the same way a human being has to be a human being. We cannot be a rhakshasa, and he cannot be an animal, he cannot be, but the freedom was given to us you see to see our dharma to maintain it, but what we did instead of going beyond the dharma we spoilt our dharma. And that is how all our void was spoiled. Now how this fellow has spoilt your dharma we should see? You see this gentleman you can see what has happened now first of all that he is not a realised soul and you are not to bow to anyone, that is why it is prohibited to bow to anyone who is not a realised soul. It went to such a limit at the time of Mohammed Sahib that he saw to it, he said don't bow your head, just don't bow, because he started talking about the abstract the trouble was in the beginning of this they knew about the deities they started talking about the deities. But when they found that people, were not going to the real deities but just creating deities of their own and they were worshipping those deities, and just doing all ritualism and no essence in it. So they said alright let us talk of the essence, I give a simile like this that they talked about the flowers, because they thought that by talking about flowers it would be easier for the bees to come to the flowers, but what they found that people got lost in the flowers, not in the ??. They would not see the ?? So they said lets talk about the ?? But both turned out to be only talks, talks talks, talks, talks so what you have to do is to become (?) to go to that. This is where you cross your dharma when you are no more a human being but you are a super human being, you are dharmatit, you are beyond your dharma, see where you are not any more a human being but a person of a superior conciousness where you see your dharmas just start acting automatically, like an example is like this, that you see it is not allowed in dharma to drink this alcohol now they were not mad to say that you see, all of them said that you should not drink alcohol. Now what does alcohol do? First of all it kills your dharma, how does it kill your dharma? Let us see, it's very simple I tell you scientifically now I would say ..?? when you take alcohol the alcohol has a capacity to break your water into 2 lines O and OHi, oh I am sorry H and OHi so the OHi you see what does it take the O cannot absorb the heat in your body because of that OHi meaning in you your heat is not absorbed in the water that is the blood because of that what happens all the heat is accumulated in your being and it cannot be taken out. For example your liver is the place where all your poisons are sorted out and it gets heated up you see, imagine your liver being heated you see, we know what happens to liver, you just take the liver of a goat and heat it up until it becomes a solid piece just like a rock and it's hard even to bite into it with your teeth, it's so hard and this is what happens when you take alcohol your liver becomes just like solid like a, what do you call, a rock! And it loses all its functions you see and that is what goes against your dharma that if you take drinks it happens, but actually drinks were never created by God. For this you see he created it for polishing . It is just a polish a polish of everything you see say if you have to polish crystals or diamonds you have to use gin as a polish all this spirit is nothing but for polishing, who asked you to drink it. But somebody must have got drunk and he must have felt funny about it and he must have told everyone, and everybody started drinking. Now when they said don't drink they said 'oh that's out of date you see there Mohammed Sahib says no good. He told us not to drink. Nanaka said don't drink. Now smoking you see the results of smoking. Now What is happening with smoking it goes against your Vishuddhi because you see that is the place of Krishna and smoking started much later. You see he was much earlier, smoking started later. That's why Mohammed Sahib has talked about it much more but Mohammed Sahib did see this point, he did see. So he said all intoxicants and all habits are to be discarded, all such things must be discarded. So he also wanted (Mother speaks in Hindi) addictions, addiction, addiction, all these addictions must be given up he said it very clearly, no addictions are allowed according to him. But you see how you make fuss about things like Mohammed Sahib and all these gurus all these great incarnations of the primordial master Adi Datatreya, Adi Natha, they talked of how to maintain your religion, your sustainance, your balance, so immediately the Christians because Christ didn't talk much about it because Moses had talked about it, Abraham had talked about it, So Christ did not talk so they said alright so Christians can drink, just imagine. This is a loophole that's how they became Christians perhaps because they thought that they belonged to the Jews you see, then they wouldn't have been able to drink, but Jews drink like hell. Jews also drink now. I mean the Muslims drink the most you see and worst are the Sikhs who are prohibited from drinking and smoking they can beat all your scotch people here you see. All your scotch whiskey goes into their stomachs, all these things, and they grow in this way thinking that they are great Sikhs going around you see, they wouldn't even wear a helmet when they are driving a motorbike and they will oppose it and in which, in which scripture it is written that you don't wear a helmet. Where is it written that you don't wear a helmet, that they are they doing like this whatever is written is that you don't drink, and they come to England only for that, if you didn't have scotch whiskey here, I mean if you really stop then they will all go back to India. It's a race relation problem I tell you. if you really prohibit them from, even Muslims are the same, they are only here because they can drink very well which they cannot get in Pakisthan you see, so that's why they are here. So this is. If you want to stop your immigration is the best way is to stop all your pubs, and don't allow any Indians to enter into it and any Sikh because it's prohibited and all the Muslims, you can stop it all of them will go back, back and back, you see that, they are just Yogi: Then you will have the race relations people onto you. Shri Mataji: No but there is relations you see, you will understand that such horrible races are not needed here who just break out? For nothing at all instead of giving you something good that they have got from their own country they are only learning bad things here. What kind of a race relations you have when they come here you teach them how to flirt with women and teach them how to drink and all these dirty things you teach them, what race relationships are these. I just don't understand they are not good relationships and they don't teach you anything good, they teach you all bad things, how to thief and how to be clever, how to take away someone's money that is a race relationship going on you see learning bad things from each other , it is better not to have such a race relationship where only the bad things are learnt from each other isn't it. So this is what it is. So when the dharma is established you see one understands what is religion ? Now you will be surprised fanaticism is against dharma. Fanatics always catch on the left nabhi fanaticism you see you people also were fanatics about TM. Once upon a time, and that's why also left nabhi is bad. Imagine, fanaticism is not the answer. (Telephone rings Mother Answers) Shri Mataji: Hello ah (Indian conversation on phone). Hello Namaste, I am so sorry this was also planned much earlier, how are you now? How are you, and how is Mr M? Alright I will say you take your baths, and you have your breakfast and whatever you like, you can ask these people to prepare for you and just this is your own house. I am sorry I was booked up like this and there are already so many people sitting down here you see and then I think you can sleep off after breakfast and................yes Shri Mataji: and is it better,see his eyes see his eyes dilated, good what are you feeling sorry about. Ha, Feel sorry, you see you had to be crucified, what is there to cry, huh? it's only me who has to suffer the most, and despite all my powers you had to be crucified. So it's only I should really be crying, why should you? I don't know what was lacking in me that I could not control this situation. This was not destined. Chris's crucifixion was sustained this one was not. This is your own choice, so the sustainance is maintained through temperance, you have to be in the centre you see, now going to churches was alright as long as the people with the church were realised souls going to temples was alright as long as they were real Brahmins. But, you see it went to the extreme of things so the real people went away and the horrible ones came in, who did not know what they were supposed to do. So this is against dharma to be fanatical and fanaticism is the, is such a horrible disease that it gives you cancer you know fanatics get cancer, and they become so cunning in their old age they are so horrid. I mean there is a lady we know of and she is a great fanatic and she is not very old but now she doesn't know how to use her bidet, she uses if for WC, she thinks that's a WC, so it can be anything. Old age is very funny of these fanatic people so some of them start pulling out their hair, some of them start you see of getting nervous twitches and all sorts of things. So going to extremes of fanaticism was no good, that's why you reacted against christianity but you went from one extreme to another extreme. What is the difference, just tell me this horrible fellow is also talking of celibacy, what else is there, it's just talking talking talking, at least you see that pope is a public figure and if he does anything wrong people will take him to task, but this fellow is not a public figure, nobody can even correct this fellow. There is no way to correct him, he can do whatever he likes. The way you have anointed him he is become such a free thing he can do whatever he likes. So it's a very different line of action was taken from one extreme to another extreme, extremes are to be avoided, to be in the centre is your sustainance and that is what is brought forth by your temperance. But how do you get your temperance is the point, is through your wisdom, every human being has got this wisdom implanted in him, is born as a wise person except for very few who must have gathered lots of nonsense in their previous lives, but most of them have got their wisdom and the deity of wisdom as I told you is Ganesha. The one who incarnated as Christ later on, is the one who gives you wisdom so you must keep your wisdom intact and that wisdom is lost because you did not respect your innocence. Once you play about with your innocence your wisdom is lost, and that's how the wisdom is lost and you cannot discriminate between the real and the unreal and this came to you long time back when your innocence was challenged. You see when I mean industrial society started even before that, the ego orientation started and the ego started working it out and the ego said why I am on my own, what's wrong. What's wrong? Everybody asking what's wrong? Why should we read scriptures, why shouldn't we do this, why shouldn't we do the other thing, and you had no answer, you see, so you said we are on our own and this is what is the other thing which causes cancer within us that we become ? Because we become cancer ourselves, we become a cancerous body. What is a cancerous body? That it is on its own. It has no connection with the whole. So we come to the other point where we should know that the dharma is the one that keeps you in contact with the whole. We have the whole idea of how we should behave. How you should be there. Like you are in a family. Now many people criticise this side of Indian life, but they don't understand that this side of an Indian life is very good, that they know how to behave in ? say now for example in my husbands family we have, it's a huge big family, although he's the only son. ??? but my husbands family, his mothers side is very large and there are about 100 people living in a huge big house like a castle you would see, and there are relationships like my own sister in law, my husbands sister, I would not say ?. She will ask me 100 times to sit down, then I will sit on the ground while she will be sitting higher there. You see there is a sort of a respect all the time and a relationship as it is in your state in your political life you have done it like that, the Queen is there, the Ministers are here, and this is there, in the same way families also a state and these relationships are developed and this is the dharma. This is the sons dharma, then the fathers dharma, the Mothers dharma and all these things are there within us built up on this side where we go on saying that if we do not observe it we commit the sin against the Mother. Now the sin against the father is another type of dharma in which Indians are great experts you see, I don't know how they have landed themselves into this. First of all I would say that these Brahmins you see they are supposed not to have to earn their own living, it was, I don't know how they started this nonsense, also, but these were really real Brahmins and they would not spend their time in earning money so people had to sort of look after them, that was the principle, but in the early stages of every student they had to go and beg food from the neighbouring villages and take that food for their guru to give them the food and they would not earn anything because you see they would not pay for their teachings and they would not pay for their education. Neither would the gurus would be paid for what they were teaching to keep the serenity of that profession and that's how they achieved it with great respect, and that's why it was done, but it became a profession with them the way we became you see beggars later, I don't know how it triggered but then you see begging has become one of the professions saying that we are very poor and we must have a house, some free money like parasites. So that is one thing started, then when you will be amazed that there's in the twelfth century a Chinese, twelfth or fourteenth century, a Chinese visitor came to India and he wrote in his diary he said that people don't know what is a law, they don't know what is a law, and I think there is no word in Sanskrit to say for locks, so we had no lock, we never used locks, so even now if you go to the say hill places nobody will lock. Even in my own lifetime I have seen my fathers house was never locked, left always open, you can walk into it and nothing was gone, people would not steal so can you imagine the same people have become so mercenary, because you see there also I would say that we didn't have the idea of having very stylish home and all the material things should be there in the household on the contrary the common pattern was that live with that as much as possible. My own Mother I would tell you that she was the wife of a rich man and everything she had but she was a disciple of Mahat Magandi. Both of them my father and Mother and she would spin her own saris you see, spin the yarn, spin the yarn herself, both of them, imagine and they would make the clothes out of that yarn only. So you see if she had 6 saris, 6 saris only in one year she would keep it if it was seventh she would donate it to someone. That's was the way. Same with my father, I mean they were so generous you can't imagine how generous they were. I mean like we had chandeliers and carpets and everything in the house because you see inherited only, there wasn't any sort of a man ??, but our carpet the carpet used to be used by all the people in the area, because they would take away the carpet for the wedding, then we had silver things you see, like silver, what do you call, umbrellas, silver umbrellas and we had silver things to sit down and all sorts of things like that. So that has to be distributed. Anybody had them, they were to be sent for the wedding, somebody, so the whole thing would go and we would forget even where is the gramophone gone because we would not keep the account. Now, alright you see to find out. From them might have been there. Somebody came for the gramophone, what about the gramophone, we are having a wedding so we said the gramophone has gone to another person you see and then the person would say, no no no I gave it to that one and, like that it was you see, so simple and that's how they lived, I mean until yesterday this was the condition of that country. But then suddenly we were introduced to materialism. They said now we are getting soft you see, so we must have everything smart in a matching saris, we must match this we must do this, and otherwise we feel very inferior you see if you find Indians here they are very well dressed you see absolutely sick and span according to them if you are not properly dressed then you are good for nothing. That's what it is you see, and all of this came into them after independence. Can you imagine. This idea of dressing up we had westernised people like the beaurocrats and all these who were very well dressed people you see, very impressive. They wouldn't talk to anyone, it's the same (??). They had. They have everything they are British like them for the tailcoats I think. I mean they were much more British than you were. We had all the same type of a service and the governesses, I mean I went through all that my father was like that in the beginning but then he was so enlightened he would my father he would throw away all his tailcoats he had tailcoats also, my father had tailcoats also, and can you imagine what was the need to have these morning suits, and things, but he had them you see? And they used to play cricket and lived they in the same manner as you did, absolutely Lords without any English background you see, so we beat the English in that sometimes as well, so that was the condition in India and that's how they started learning this new style of living and matching and this and that and that they started living in the big way. Of course it is necessary to live that. The matter is to be changed, and transformed. God has given you this power to ?? but when the matter sits on your head, then let's say if you have a sofa alright very good you can sit but if you cannot sit without a sofa then it's.?? you should be able to sleep anywhere you are like a king, I mean say for me if you want I can sleep there, I sleep like a log even on any place you put me down. I have no problem any bathroom anything, it doesn't matter, since I can manage you see because the matter cannot sit on your head and when the matter starts sitting on your head then you become habituated, and this is another type of sin starts the habits. Habit is another kind of a sin which starts in human beings. You see Human Beings are so funny, so funny in this, I don't know how they manage it, that if they are going say on a bridge which is say half a mile wide and then it is widened say one mile, they feel it, funnyyou see they think how is it, I mean the road is the same, the area is the same but if the bridge is increased in size they feel funny about it. So much so that I know of somebody who was a great man in India he had about seven steps going to his bathroom you see because he had to ring he had to pass through a? And he would live in a hut normally to show that he was trying asceticism and he would cross those seven stones every time but it increased sometimes 7 or 8, might be or 6, he got very upset for 3 days he just wouldn't have his food. Human beings can be that funny in their sustaining. So they form habits and habits come to you through the domination of matter and that is what keeps the human dharma pure If you want to go the deeper side of say sense of cleanliness with the human being a human being has a sense of cleanliness but that is also in extreme, there are some people who are so clean that they must wash their hands sixty five times. They are all the time cleaning their house, sweeping their house polishing their everything, and not even a rat enters their house it is that clean. You know, you just don't want to go inside such a horrible hospital that they create out of it. their personality is so horribly clean that you just don't know how to talk to them because even if you talk they think that there is something going on, that's your mark. Alright. Did you hear what I am saying, so much here. So too much of cleanliness comes to extreme of that there is another thing is that human Beings are fond of beauty, they like everything to be beautiful, everything to be nice properly harmonised, you people have great aestheticism, but you see when it comes to extremes you are so stupid and foolish that the other day somebody was telling me that the picture which is regarded as the most beautiful is a nude woman coming down a staircase. I would vomit the next moment you see the aesthetics have reached that point. ?? I would really vomit if I see a nude womans photograph, I vomit. It is so dirty and filthy you know to talk about bathrooms and to gutters. These are things that we have started liking, gutters. I mean is this the way you are aesthetically rich? And all these things come by, imagine, the people who are so beautiful, who would wear 3 piece suits, have now started wearing some sort of a little shorty thing, and you just don't like it. Yogi: birthday suits, Shri Mataji: Birthday suits, you just can't look at them, I mean your women are so horrid, they don't know how to respect their bodies, I mean the way they expose themselves, I mean they think they are being very very brave about it, same things as they are I would say the way they insult their bodies morning till evening. Using it for dirty things like attracting men towards them, it is like selling your body. It is a very dirty thing to do to your body, and all these things are there despite a sense of aesthetics you know. Indians have no sense of aesthetics you see. No, I am surprised how Bala was got this house done so well, otherwise you would find here a photograph of transferred of his father from one place to another, and a hundred funny faces there. (Laughter). You, what you got in an Indian house you would have red horrible carpet there and then you would have a green something there, but the time you are inside you feel that's terrible what's happening in this house you see like that , and that is what is happening you see to the aesthetics also. If you carry it too far also aesthetics like we said we must have abstract, alright have abstract, but are we abstract still you are in the horrible gross state and you are all the time worried about sex and sex and sex, and what are you going to produce in abstract. Unless and until you are there and then you have abstract, alright, but you go and see some some of these modern paintings you vomit you see that and you don't know what you get diarrhoea from visiting these places these days. I feel terrible about it the way they show horrible black and red and all that expressing their filth inside you see horrible. I feel the whole hell being released, and the people have such horrible aesthetics about it. We went to see Blakes paintings you see and Blake was a great poet of your country, you have never understood him he got so he depicted the picture of hell for him, alright, and he painted it very nicely and he described the hell just to frighten you that if you do not maintain your dharma you will go to hell. And I find that all these young people going there and saying what beautiful colours he has created see the harmony. It is a picture of hell they are seeing the harmony! Is it aesthetics, this is what has happened with us going to extremes of everything. We have lost all balance we have to be in the centre to enjoy. If you do not know how to be in the centre you can never enjoy the beauty, the special sustainance of your being, you cannot enjoy music, you see I have seen in the music program people go, and they will never see to the music but they will see how much it excites you and makes you a beast, the more it makes you the beast the better it is. They will get Oscar prizes all the films which are very filthy which are against your sustainance will get oscars you see, so if you get anyone with 3 oscars never go there, and that's how they sell you, also you will find those pictures who get oscars are always failures because on the whole humans like. ......... Right hand outside. Just put your right hand outside, just open the door, no him, they will handle problem, they will open the door alright? No wonder your wife objected to what you did, you see your wives must be all shattered the way you went into these gurus one after the another and David has been to more people than Philip has been so I am not surprised your wife was sitting..what's going on isn't it? I can quite understand and I can quite understand that the way Philips wife behaves because you know she must be thinking that I am another type and which they will get over and go to another type, because they are doing guru shopping you see. So that's the reason and I can quite understand it you see and I was yesterday only telling the way these people are busy with the gurus. Their wives must be really terrified. To see them what are they doing what are they up to, and even your father could have been very upset to see the way you were and that's why there was opposition. that's correct you see, he was a wise man to see that. Yogi: Mother I don't know because. .......(?).............for many many years you see so......(?) Shri Mataji: So just imagine you were.......(?).......your father These Indians can't understand you see our fathers are so strict they can even beat you, you don't say anything about it. Yogi: He wasn't a very good man. Shri Mataji: You see that's not for us to judge it's for God. You chose your father do you know? You chose your Mother yourself. You are such a great seeker you must have chosen your father, Mother, your country, everything maybe sensible. It's not possible that you just did it out of the blue so you have chosen him there must be something about him the way you chose him. So when you judge him please understand maybe these bhoots are giving you ideas you see always what other explanation can you give. When you are angry with your father only thing you can say he is not a good man, but see to the good points of him. Yogi: He also makes my daughter feel very angry. I feel very sorry but it's best we don't meet because there was always friction you see sometimes I think so it's best not to be there. Shri Mataji: Now the affection will come in you and such tremendous affection and such love you will not know what to do with your love, that's what he has done is to freeze your hearts you see, you will not know people will be surprised how you will be caring for them. This Gus had not seen his mother for 30 years, he had not even written to her how many years, he was forty years of age or something,.............I don't know, what was his age or something. Yogi: 34, he must have been about 34, he had been in Australia for 8 years. Shri Mataji: 8 years, but from his childhood there has been anger with his mother you see. He ran away here and there, I don't know how many years, (?) so he said Mother now I don't know from where all this love,........which I never felt for her, and he went to Australia, now he is looking after her. He enjoys it. So that is also your dharma as a sign to look after your parents to love and they will love you, you don't know how love begets love, these horrible gurus can not teach you anything else but hatred, hatred for everyone...... Your brother and everyone, that's why they are effective if they allow you to love the power of love is so great that you can throw them away. They do not want you to combine and join together. They want you to be separated all the time because you see if there is one small little tender branch you can break it but if you put twenty branches together you cannot break it . So they will see to it that you are separated. Yogi: Her Holiness Mataji gives a talk at Balas House in Birmingham on the 16th and 17th of the sixth 1979 Yogi: In dharma is this also...........governed ? by what we do. Shri Mataji: What is? Yogi: Does dharma cover the type of work you do? Shri Mataji: Yes very much so. It is the dharma for sustainance. Some people are artists born some people are say more mechanical minded, some are mathematicians are good at it. There should be, for example I cannot learn economics I cannot that is the greatest punishment, I cannot understand these human laws, if you tell me if you go, I mean one sentence I may understand but if you go to the second point I just don't have any idea I just cannot manage it I just don't understand it. When you come to how we were, it's, that, I said now this is too much of a burden I just can't manage, so it is. You see everybody has its own aptitude, I don't know so many things, you cannot imagine, I cannot even use.......is it mine, no it's not mine. But I cannot use, my what do you call it, tape recorder, I cannot. We have an akai in the house, I just cannot know how to just even start it, I really, I learn it many a times but again I forget it, I cannot play tapes you know these cards that you have every time they tell me I write it down, I forget it. I try to remember it, I cannot play racing I cannot do it, I just cannot do it. I try to learn, again and again but I.........they think I can do it, I cannot do it, I just cannot do it. Yogi: You cannot play racing. Shri Mataji: You asked yesterday about this. Yogi: No, I'm sorry I thought you asked a question, I am sorry, Pardon me. Shri Mataji: Alright Yogi: Mother is there any way that we can know what we are suited to you know, whatever work we should do? What is best for us? Shri Mataji: You see now you can ask the vibrations, anything that you want to ask it will give you the answers whatever work you want to do you know, you also maintain what work you can do. Now for example now, we are building horrible work this one is, now you do Sahaja Yoga, this is what you have to know on a spiritual level. For material, You can do whatever you like, you see whatever you prefer and such vistas will be open before you. You are as Don now. Don was so desperate you see he was just driving some big horrible Lorry, so I stopped it, I said now because Vishuddhi gets caught with that now he's doing this I think he will be a journalist or something, so you will start doing something better and something much more fulfilling and you will see, you can ask me, your attitudes. He has ruined you that way also you see, because he took lots of young people in his group and made them teachers, you see so you are nothing but TM teachers, you are not so after that what do you know, so you stick onto this fellow, that's what he's done. Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: But the problem is in this country it can all come out ......it's no problem. Yogi: are there any procedures like certain diet or certain things, exercise we should follow Shri Mataji: No it is depending on your chakras whatever is the chakra, for example if this chakra is catching we do basrika like this. You see Allah hu Akbar is the mantra for one chakra, means the Virat, that is the complete form of Krishna is called as Virat, you see that's what you have to say with this finger, is the finger of Vishuddhi, you say Allah hu Akbar, Allah hu Akbar, Allah hu Akbar, alright, it's all good for your Vishuddhi. Better? Shri Mataji: I must say he's so good ??? Alright, so this one works out here, but you can have Basrika also like this you can put your fingers in this and say four or five times it clears out, so we must know what to use where, which one is needed, but as it is the kundalini is going to clear it out very much more, you see, you won't need too much of this thing but little bit if you need you can do it. For liver we have got diets, and Vishuddhi but there is nothing to worry about diets, actually eat well, enjoy yourself, as it is you were starved by this horrible fellow, so I would say no dieting, nothing is needed, but one should not eat too much also, like all the time thinking about food is not a good thing. You see those who starve also fast think about food all the time, but it should be what you get alright, if you don't get well and good, like that you see, you should not even remember what you have eaten, so don't worry too much about food because food doesn't make much difference to you, it is your attention, if your attention is involved too much in food then you are no good. Yogi: We heard eating meat is for rajasic Shri Mataji: You must be eating at least All stories you see, you just reason it out, now supposing you say if you save the chicken am I going to give them realisation, what are they used for? Yogi: But if the chickens are abused then you know about cows and how they are treated Shri Mataji: Forget about them. Nonsensical, you see if you eat the chicken you give them a higher evolution, you don't know that? We had a system of b? All Indians had a system of b? Everyone had to sacrifice the lamb at the altar. Christ also has said it, this wise man has come from somewhere. Why do you talk like this. Rama killed a few. You see they even challenged Krishna because he killed so many people why, imagine me being a vegetarian I eat all these rhakshasas from morning to evening I drink their blood, how can I be a vegetarian? This is just a way of making you absolutely good for nothing. Then he can dominate you better, you see, specially the western people, in this why don't you see your culture, only in making money he did, see why didn't he say that you eat every kind of meat, of course the meat of people like horses and all that you should avoid, because they have a bad what do you call, fibres, and thats not good for the teeth, even cows meat that is bad for eating I've seen when I eat it I get swelling that's why it should be avoided, as far as possible. But not eating chicken or pork this, after all why God has created them. You need not eat meat, you have got methods where you don't have to eat it, but you have to eat some, you must have protein diet at least when you are above 50 years of age you must have more of protein diet it's important , all of them ate who did not? ....Krishna did it, Rama ate every one of them, and even in the Vedas the calf, the calf was eaten. This vegetarianism was started by Brahmins when they started saying that the brahmanism comes to you through birth, you see they said now we must have something for the cult, so we do not eat meat. It's very easy not to eat meat and form a cult. Yogi: Mother, how easy is it to explain that Christ changed the water into wine. Are these just stories. Shri Mataji: What is it Yogi: The stories how Christ changed the water into wine Shri Mataji: No no not at all actually these stories for Christ, for him it might be, horrible fellow it has said it was told? Yogi: No No no but you said that alcohol destroys. Shri Mataji: Yes but wine doesn't mean by any chance alcohol. You see the big mistake you see wine doesn't mean, wine means a grape juice is called wine, you know, even the tree I mean, the creeper is called wine, you go to any country like Germany in the villages they will not ask you to have grape juice they will say why don't you have wine you see it doesn't mean fermented stuff. yes it means, even if you read bible, there are many times it is described as hot, the body is used as alcohol sort of thing. Because you see Moses talked about it such a lot, Christ didn't talk about it but he must have said also but these people didn't talk................Christ never wrote anything, it goes against your awareness it's a simple thing, how can he give you wine you see it goes against your awareness it's a simple thing. Apart from people changes taking place it goes against your awareness How he you give you wine , it's not fermented, I love it the grape juice, I like it, you see really love it, the grape itself. The grape wine sitting before you, it is not a wine you see there, but does that mean that I support all alcoholism and pubs you see? he wants to do it. England's downfall is because of the pubs, close them down and you will see everybody will be alright. Yogi: I think it might be Ireland as well Shri Mataji: In Ireland I know because I know I had some Irish people working for me, and they would come for work for me , they would work alright, then they would go for lunch and then, I said after lunch you go home Nice people very cool people but you see this modern stem of wisdom Yogi: Where I come from Mother they are the worst for alcohol, yes they are the worst for alcohol, they drink alcohol all the time where I come from. Shri Mataji:Which is that place? Yogi: Glasgow in Scotland Shri Mataji: Oh Glasgow is horrible I've been there, I've been there lots. Yogi: We need you in Scotland Mother Shri Mataji: Really I must be there in Scotland. You see this is also a satanic force built in your own country, and how they put you up and additional to that you see the way it is sophisticated to drink there is a science about it. It is such a big science. You see you have to study if you really (?).. You have really ruined everything since long. When we first came to London we had to spend £900, to get only the goblets, for everything they have a different name..you see this wine I told my husband, I am ? out of this I cannot do it. He said here nobody will come to our house in no time. He is right, I mean if they come say in the evenings, some drink too much, little bit they drink they will all go mad and all mad so ............they said we don't believe in (?) I said just see this how the whole thing is, and I mean people don't talk to each other, unless and until you pour some wine for them it's mad, they will not talk unless and until until you give them a cigarette you see. That means you invite the bhoot into another fellow to talk to him. Shri Mataji: You see unless and until you put him into that position where he is possessed you cannot talk to him you see, Yogi: if it's a possession it's not you doing the talking. Yogi: Yes you won't even talk, it's a club, a club. ?? Shri Mataji: They have a great fraternity, I mean all these bhoots have a great fraternity they all combine together very well on a different level. Yogi: Bhoot. Shri Mataji: Bhoot is the one who is a spirit whose spirit is dead and they have a big fraternity that if there is one person who is possessed you see ........there is another one, who will I mean there is just a little possession they will immediately side with them they will all combine together it's a big fraternity. They go on giving you ideas all the time if you do not accept them you will get physical problems, if you accept them then you have had it. Yogi: What I don't understand Mother is that we have this quality of God and yet we seem to be so prone and open to this bad influence of possessions, things, they seem to be all round and they (seem they can enter at any time?) why is it that we are not stronger in God you know we are born and somewhere on the way we lose this wisdom or our innocence for God, why is that, why is that allowed to happen? Shri Mataji: You see the thing is this is an ego oriented society where we go............. It is there, it is pampered, we pamper it, even when you pay for it you don't get satisfaction then you pamper so it makes you feel you are the minister or something you see, somebody appoints me and I am the minister of... , I didn't understand the word compliment I said oh what a great word all these things it talks big things and its to pamper your ego. And ego is a thing by which a person becomes a lunatic, absolutely be becomes an idiot , now see how do you expect how do you Explain Mr Thorpe and all other idiots there are doing in this country, you see? One better than the other. I mean they are big, So you see you just don't get ? because of this ego and they know how to pamper it you see why people don't come to my program you know, because I don't charge any money, because they cannot get their hands on me, they know they cannot, I will do whatever I please that's not the way they expect from a guru. The real guru will never...on the contrary I am a Mother I am not unkind, ?? they call it, it's a kind of a wrong you see and as soon as one disciple comes in.....hit, kararh like again then again the same disciple again tries to come and they hit them on the other side, they hang them by their legs on a well, on a well for 3 days to see this to see if he is alright. These gurus, you see those who really are the real gurus, the real gurus you see, and they put you through so many tests that they get fed up, put a. ..??...on your head all the time, about to fall down you see that they are alright. To frighten you and if you are alright then only they will accept. But Mother is different while these gurus are just the opposite they pamper you just imagine. When I was reading this Minister of this and Minister of that its just a mocker, complete mocker. What happened to Ian and David why didn't they come? Yogi: David and Ian Shri Mataji: David and Ian are coming? I don't know, they were going to com here they said they were 25 miles away they said in Birmingham, I don't know. Shri Mataji: I hope they are searching Yogi 2: I thought maybe it was them on the phone but it's not. Shri Mataji: Must of been perhaps (discusses in Hindi with a yogi) Shri Mataji: In India we know all these things. (Again talks in Hindi) and there are many names of these people this style they are, but here they don't know anything, they only call general terminology. Yogi: They think they.............tell stories imagine Shri Mataji: Huh Yogi: Most people don't believe them. I think it's just an old fashioned way of explaining something in ........explain............nervous. Shri Mataji: That's the best way of avoiding the reality, you see by not believing these things. Now this fellow would never talk about gurus.... because how can he talk against his own house. Yogi: It shows his (strength or stress?) Shri Mataji: yes and for removing his (strength/stress?) he puts another bhoot. Now you are alright, much better, yesterday you ?? I have been to Glasgow, I must say its a horrible place. ?? ??? They launched the ship, They (drink?) so much they really frightened me, after launching the ship, if somebody dies you must drink...can you imagine? Yogi: They are very nice people Mother, very warm people. Shri Mataji: They are very warm, but do you know what goes wrong with them is the way they express everything in drink. You see you are so muddled up you don't know what to do with them when we went there they were drunk you know and then they starting putting hands around me from somewhere, and I told my husband I am not going to do this, I said they are mad they don't know what they are about. So this is what happened, but after, somebody's dead you see, how can you drink Yogi: Muffled Shri Mataji: Anything, anybody dies, they will drink and it something shocking towards me. Indians understand this much, wisdom they have got, now the other day somebody rang, a very nice person, my husband very, ?? and he said the gentleman went overnight. After death aarrangements, they are all problematical? Nobody was crying, he was crying and he was looking very miserable and you felt terrible about it. The others were only busy organising the lunch after the burial and he said that I am not going to have it, I am not well. And the dead body was lying in the other room, and here they were toasting and taking drinks in their hands, ??? and I don't know how many drinks they ?? no one respects the dead, no one does the dead any ? If you drink one drink means at least 5 of the dead comes in because you go to the left hand side into the subconscious And if you take say five or six drinks? I can say I can see at least 5 or 6 bhoots inside you. Yogi: When people die then what happens to them, sometimes it seems the dead come into you, do they remain on the earth? Shri Mataji: The dead don't die, nobody dies, part of it dies the rest of it remains. But there are so many dissatisfied souls you see somebody dies supposing on his way to (drink or pub?), so he is born again, so he wants to be born again to go to the pub, but he will come back as a child, he won't be able to drink, he has not finished his pub ?? He went there so he will just go into a person who is just sitting round there is having his pub and ? There's a lady I met who was drinking one bottle of whiskey just like that, she was from Cuba, one whiskey bottle completely neat you see and her husband, she was a dainty darling, very short and her husband said I can't understand where does it go, so I took a bandhan to her and I saw this fellow, all this big fellow, 6ft horrible, So I asked her do you know there is somebody who drinks. She said I know ??? Yogi: So this would be what's wrong with alcoholics Shri Mataji: Yes of course. Yogi: If people Shri Mataji: Is possessed you see, alcoholism is a possession ? All these are possessed they don't know what they are doing, even these so called, what do you call them, gay people are all possessed, you see where a woman enters into a man and he becomes a gay person. Yes that is all it is, all these absurd things? There was a girl in India she was the wife of a very good man, and she would always dress up like a boy and she would write to me like a boy, and she was only fond of girls in a very funny way. In India it is not understood but she was doing like that but then I bandhaned her and I found that there was a boy coming into her and ?? She thought she was a boy, she used to dress up like a boy you see behave like a boy you see. A 70 year old woman riding a horse, I mean just imagine, imagine this women should not do. That means she is possessed by some sort of a rider, a male jockey. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Variety they are, such a variety there, they could be anyone. Yogi: Mother when do these uneasy spirits come into us and take an interest, is there a time? Shri Mataji: ??? They are busybodies and all. You can have a shock, and accident or something ?? they can enter into you. Somebody dies in your family and you drink at that time you get it. Even going to church, you have churches, they are nothing but the church? All the dead bodies are under your feet they are all around ? (???) In childhood you might get it. We had one Russian. ...........Bogdan, .??? His mother had a grandmother who was fond of going to cemeteries with a little baby in a pram, imagine, and he was always going with her for years together once a year he had so many bhoots in him that you can't imagine, you must really read these letters to understand all these things happening. Yogi: but he doesn't invite these people in Shri Mataji: Huh? Yogi: He doesn't invite these people in Shri Mataji:Who Yogi: We didn't invite them in Shri Mataji: you did not invite Yogi: No, say the things we were doing we were doing to come nearer to God, the intention.. Shri Mataji: Yes That's true but, you see these...what I am saying that you taking their names, what are you calling them, what I am saying inviting them in (on this plain,, you don't write invitation cards )??, you are all connected, ?? you are all automatically now connected to me so it's all finished ? I know you did not invite them, something you did not want, now come in the house in my own house and you will be alright. ???? And they start making ??? They throw you about and all these things. Only difference between you and Indians is that Indians know that this is what it is ??? Yogi:............?? Is also keeping ignorance, keeping everyone ignorant of the fact that ....... Shri Mataji: You see how can they tell you, it is too much, you expect too much you see, say there is somebody he is a spy, is he going to tell you I am a spy? It is a thug you see he has done all these jobs is he going to tell you that I am a spy. He will try his level best to not only give you ??? But absolute secrecy ?? And there is a sort of a law that if you divulge the secrecy you will be in jail. Yogi: The other thing was that it wasn't M who was doing the teaching it was meditators, the people all the meditators were coming, teachers themselves. Shri Mataji: Yes Yogi: and none of them were probably realised themselves Shri Mataji: Yes Yogi: They were passing on names of Gods. Shri Mataji: Very true. That's the point. I must say that some of them never felt good,but they would say you have to be very good just to prove that they are very high up in the world government. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yogi: They must have done absolutely............... Shri Mataji: (You must have done?), you see because just to prove your worth you did that. Yogi: I mean it was too obvious by watching the TV how hard they were, I mean you just had to see that program Mother. Shri Mataji: I was not there, yes I didn't see. Yogi: You could just see how they had no heart at all, 90% of their initiators are just like this. Shri Mataji: and if they had (it's true ???) all of them had...... Yogi: Yes yes, it's what they are going to do this time. Shri Mataji: Go, he will have to hang himself and hang the rest of them you will watch. Yogi: You see, .............will he then return? Shri Mataji: How??????? You see how you people come out of that, if he's killed also say, also he will subvert into the subconscious you see, he can be even worse, better be there, ?? Then you get out. Yogi: All of those people are practising TM just now are all being helped, Shri Mataji: They all are going to be realised, you know they are going to trigger it There is going to be a chain reaction you see. Yogi: So far all people have been contacted they have been so ready to stop the programs, stopped just like that. Shri Mataji: Yes you should be, immediately You must be Yogi: Mother in two weeks time Shri Mataji: You make a list of all the events and you make me ? I would love to.....? I will run up and down. ?? That's the best, I will come to Scotland, we have decided to go to Scotland at end of July. They are all coming down there from Scotland. Yogi: And they say (???) The bhoots are really heavy up there...up in Scotland since last night they are ready to start coming down and.... Shri Mataji: Alright I will send something new this week. They can run away from...........?? Alright? Then we need to drive them away. They are such cowards. Yogi: Very bad up there Shri Mataji:ah Yogi: Very very bad Shri Mataji: You should show only your teeth and they will run away (laughter) they are cowards. Shri Mataji: Is he alright? Yogi: His Agnya Shri Mataji: This Agnya you will have because you can't forgive this horrible fellow, but you leave it to me, don't carry your Agnya. You will feel it more later on the way you have been cheated the amount of money he has taken away from you, (it leaves a terrible feeling in you on your Vishuddhi?) Better now? (Muffled talking) How are you? So you see I can go whenever I feel like and er, that's what they have said, but still what should we do? Yogi: Mother are you going to go to Leeds tomorrow? Shri Mataji: So I should go back home and people have to come tomorrow to the program ?? and there are lots of people in Leeds also. Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: Alright so Yogi: What we thought was maybe if we got quite a lot of the TM people who would listen not people who might argue for this first time and then possibly later in two or three weeks if it's possible we would hire a hall ?? For the last night., and then get all those people to give as many people as we could. Shri Mataji: you see I should come there first of all because you know what happens in the hall and all ??? The down payment you see ?? And we have a mixed group always like we have some people who are come for the first time, ?? what's happened is, and they think that it is Sahaja yoga that is going on ??? It's a good idea,first of all we should be improving those there, but if you can get some land like with a garden or something Yogi: we have a very big garden Shri Mataji: That's all, with a garden I'll manage them Yogi: We are bringing some people up from quite a large area so that it covers not just one little area but from all over, so we can tell everybody. Shri Mataji: You must talk to these meditators, talk to them immediately. ......this hall.......talk immediately, you see in England we are going to work it out, then we are going to attack Americans you see Yogini: President Carter is very against TM Shri Mataji: But he is for something that is far worse, because he is supposed to be a baptist or something like this you see. I don't know ?? he has blessed himself ??, he thinks he is twice born, he says I am twice born, what should I tell him? Yogi: Tell him you are not! Shri Mataji: What? He's not realised either you see. The next part is inaudible, but continues later One is the incarnation of the Mother, she can be the wife, she can be a wife, or a mother of a guru, or a daughter of a guru like Mohammed Sahib, Fatima was the Adi Shakti you see. . You see then she could be awife of any incarnation like Ramas wife Sita ?, Rhada all these names are the same and then she could be Saraswati, Kumari, the virgin, say Gauri all these can be incarnations There another thing which we call as the Vishnu incarnation you see, he can incarnate as ?? Now the fourth one is a child because the child was created, imagine, as Shri Ganesha and then other forms of Brahma Chaitanya (charya) (?) and all these incarnations were created just to make all (?) these incarnations are part and parcel of Christ, and when he is going to come he is going to bring all these eleven destroying forces at the end of this creation when all of ??? Why are you crying, forget the past, forget the past. Left left, another time maybe, don't cry, don't cry Just put your will power a little bit, you will manage. Just don't cry??? Better? And moreover you are a nurse isn't it? That's how you indulge the horrible people, Involved all your woes ?? How they are miserable ?? Yogi: ?? Cigarettes and beer. Shri Mataji:Now who else, come here who I have not got, come along. You wash my feet you will be alright. Come along. Shri Mataji: Horrible Yogi: How do you feel Shri Mataji: Yes you are very much Yogi: Why does she have hot hands Shri Mataji: Because there's an opposition see still inside which is still ?? In any case one thing you have not seen ??? Before. See it's a very big thing, I don't need hot water to make her hands hot, better? See her hands are getting cold and your hands are ? Alright? What about you. Yogi: This one is cool, this one is warm Shri Mataji: The heart you have surrendered but not with your mind, let your mind be surrendered. ???? Put your left hand on your heart, this side. We call this side as Heart because you have a chakra there, rub it rub it hard because ESP and all these things are nothing but possessions. All these are possessions, and parapsychology imagine this, foolish impressions are being parapsychology , see so what's going to happen to them, ...............??? Ha ha ha ha ha They don't need it. Mmm better? Raise your Kundalini you will feel much better, you all raise your Kundalinis come along, raise your hands, help others, you are all awakened people, just try mmmmm, right, right. Better? Hah everybody feeling better, now see it's cooler? Kundalini has started moving with your fingers, you know you are better than the Indian Maharaj, do you know he only gave realisation to one person, ?? in 25 years he must have started when he was 75 perhaps, or maybe 80 years of age and he finished in 25 years later, and now he is saying I will never give to anyone again. This is the situation. How fast you have become see your instrument is so correct it starts working, see, alright? Still left hand you put it down, yes put it down, raise his right raise his right to the left. You see these supraconscious bhoots can be very subtle. I'll give you the example of .... Better? Is example of David, David should tell about, it's very difficult to make them out this supraconscious bhoot came into him and even told about me and that he should come to me, that's sucking in Yogi: I think so Shri Mataji: Yes. That's a confidence trick see, and then they start going against Sahaja yoga, it's a confidence trick....? They are very cunning you know just like foxes very cunning you have that English story of a fox had to perform on the grandmother what? Yogi: Little red riding hood, Shri Mataji: Little Red Riding Hood, you see that is it? It was told a long time back you see, most of your you see nursery rhymes are from the unconscious. London Bridge is falling down you see, all these things are there, oranges and lemons, you see these are all the things that were told to you a long time back, even this one Red Riding Hood, it was also a story told to you a long time back. That there would be somebody coming. All your nursery rhymes are great ??, and Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall you see, that's what is a Humpty Dumpty is an egotistical fellow and English ?? He sat on a wall with a big head and had a great fall and all the Kings men and all the Kings horses could not, horses again, ?? horses is the sign of the collectivity, could not put together Humpty Dumpty again. You know this is a mantra sometimes. Yogi: ? Shri Mataji: ha ha ha ha ha ha Better. Yogi:? Shri Mataji: Heart Mother says mantras to clear a chakra in a seeker. Ah there, that means you must pay attention to your spirit. Your attention should be on your spirit, that's how you cure your heart, pay your attention to your heart, with your attention you are going to cure yourself, see all of you put your attention to your heart huh? Yogi: ? Shri Mataji: On to the liver Your liver is your attention itself Better? Rub it rub it hard, rub it hard, it looks soft but it can bear a lot of ??? You can bear to take some, rub it hard, hah better now? Feeling the liver?

Talk to Sahaja Yogis. Bala's, Birmingham (UK), 16 June 1979. Shri Mataji: Are you better now? So all the centres which are in you or in anyone, are reflections of the centres of the Primordial being. Alright? Supposing that Primordial Being takes a Human form, ?? That the completion of that was done when Krishna came ?? Sampurna?. But still for human beings it was necessary to be resurrected so his son was Christ, his own son, that was why he was called as Christ, from Krishna, Christ. And he came on this earth to show you how to fulfil the description about Divine Power that was given to us by Krishna, that it cannot be killed by any weapon, it cannot be blown by any strong winds, it cannot be cut, it is immortal. That's why the embodiment of that immortal principle of Brahma was Christ, came on this earth. That's why ? and Krishna placed him higher than him, if you read the Devi Mahatmayam that you find ? the incarnation of Mahavishnu he called him Mahavishnu, his own son was called as Mahavishnu and that was Christ, ? I have been with all of them, and with Krishna ? And now I have come as a Mother as only a Mother can do this job, it's a very difficult job it requires a lot of patience Krishna can't do it, he is not ? Though he plays tricks with you. So I had to come and Krishna had to ? All of them are settled down here nicely, they are here so they are not incarnations in that way, so that's it in a nutshell. My position is here because Christ was here and beyond this is the collective now. I may take myself, ..?? I may come later on to sort it out now I am here so you shouldn't worry, just you worry to save people as many as you can. Hah. Better now? There Alright I will tell you about Gita and that's how all your Vishuddhi will be cleared and all the deities come. Put your hands, it's much better, it's much cooler now. (Muffled conversation with yogis) Ah, All of you are going to feel better , mmmm ???? Better? Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: Hot head, Head alright, Mmmm better. Better in the head? Sit down sit down sit down, Ah better now? Ah cooler? ? Better get rid of the idea of how you have been cheated then you will be better you see, ?? Obstruct it. Forget it, ? you get alright then we are going to put it right ?? Totally Like a football in this gentleman? Ha ha ha ha ha. There's another one this Rajneesh, he is localised because the way he is so much allergic to flowers and to fragrance that he starts sneezing so he can't get out of his place you see so he has to be there, even if he has to move from his room, from the lecture hall, he goes into his Mercedes ?? his car. You see Yogi: It always seems to be Left nabhi. Shri Mataji: You all think of getting married and having a nice wife, alright? ? He was asking does it help? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. It does, every Mother does that, she is very anxious to have a nice little wife for her son and a nice husband for her daughter and in a very nice time little little grandchildren. ??? He was very upset on this point, so what I said ??? On the point of marriage. ? Yogi: I was asking him about it yesterday afternoon, but he didn't care to comment. Shri Mataji: ???? His friend got married, Then whom does he marry but a teacher of TM? And that one was such a camouflage, she came to me, horrible vibrations she had , she has got I asked her what have you been doing, she said this year I was TM I was working for them, I said really? She said yes, she said they are paying me a lot of money, ? so I said ??? Black marks on her face, she was a good looking girl. And a brahmacharya I said see now look here ? But she was a teacher for three years then discovered it. ? From there it started, TM you see? You see that's the beginning when she came into the real vibrations,then it has started now ??awareness has started flowing so once later she was upset and she said Mother of all things I needed to go to him, I used to be a simple Indian girl. ? She said imagine this, So I told her I said don't marry because I told her don't marry a Sahaja yogi otherwise so also??you are becoming brothers and sisters you can't, We have tried, we have thousands of them, you cannot marry either they have known each other before or later, now what else? Better now? Better, better. ?? You are unkind to your husband you know, ?? this horrible man he wants to have you celibate you see, throw him in the sea, he taught you how to ?? Yogini: ? Shri Mataji: You had better get alright and then you will see what I mean, ?? but first of all you get out of it, you see he is using you as the hostess that's the problem. That's why I am afraid to do anything, so now you all get well and I will see to it whichever way you want it...upside down? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha You tell me how alright, whatever is satisfied in you ? But I was surprised at some of you say Linda for example she was worried about his well being, I said are you mad? And such nice people you are, there's too much niceness in ? One has to ?? Luckily I was central to the investigation ?? and as I said to the secretary of the president of ours, so I told this president of ours you see, I was very angry I told him he had a very bad heart I told him to have an operation, ?? so he is alright its a very ?? Let him come. ?? Yogi: What is going to happen about taking this movement to court. Shri Mataji: ?? Catholic courts, ? that's something great ?? when Krishna starts playing his tricks ??? You see some of these people who are relations of ?? Yogi: ? Shri Mataji: I will also have some tea. Better now, is it, the void? Yogi: The void. Shri Mataji: Always take the most extreme cases and then you cure them then others get cured also you see. ?? I mean you will be cured no doubt, but when we are curing we are curing ourselves??? Just now, much more sincere. He has religiously collected all his money and passed it over to the ?? This is a thing I am angry about? ?? I mean the way you have been much more sincere and honest about it. Makes me angry that's all. Yogi: How some of the people really could have afforded it I really don't know. Yogi: I mean when you mentioned the fee of £150 per week, people just shudder, you know, They religiously paid out £150 per week. Shri Mataji: They must be eating potatoes to save that money. Yogi: ?? Yogi: I know some people who sold a very nice house Shri Mataji: ???? Spirits Yogi: Yes and then, they live in a small house now. Worse off than when they .... Yogi 2: I know who you are talking about. ?? Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: You see as it is (the?) young people in India, the young people will get a good inheritance quite a lot, but here it is not so, I find ??? You see the young they don't get that much of an inheritance anyway ? On top of that this horrible fellow has come, ? it's too much, you have to build up yourself all of you ??? Inheritance from your parents?? This fellow must have really...???? Yogi: ?? Has anybody mentioned to you..??...Possibly the worst book I have ever come across in TM ( ?? Hammond). She's struggling to get £40,000, they won't give it to her, they are frightened she there she is so bad she can barely ...A couple of years ago you talked to her, she would be looking at you, then her head would drop like this?? Shri Mataji: ?? Mentioned her Shri Mataji: ?? Yogi: ????.she could barely walk, she couldn't keep her head up, it was always down like this, none of the Siddis and of course My mother got blisters on her hands Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: She must be a realised soul Yogi: ? She started Shri Mataji: She might be a realised soul your mother. ?? A realised soul Poor thing you know. Yogi: She feels better than she did. Shri Mataji: She's better Shri Mataji: She'll be better for bringing her to sahaja yoga, She's a realised soul you see the way she is reacting. Even these ?? are another type you see. Horrible, these ?? they went to Denmark and a young girl came to see me, (??) hardly 19 years of age, absolutely ? She had no love in her, without love ?? Left side absent. she came to me and she told me that they wrote to her that we are coming to Denmark in any case make a house which has got a marble floor, so all these young people starved themselves in need for this venture and marble floor? When they came then they said that the road is before you come, near the road you have to go 1001 times like that so you meet the person and then the person comes in and you have to be on a very strict vegetarian diet you see, so poor things, all of them they are eating potatoes and potatoes what they will eat, and they become very thinned down, Then after that they tried all these things, but the worst part is that the girl started conceiving out of this fellow you couldn't help her. And he is still going strong in Denmark, he was so bad you see that ??? There's more on this Better now Yogi: Right heart and agnya Left is alright Shri Mataji: Put your right hand towards me and there. ?? If you go there it will be better ?? Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: You washed my feet yesterday? Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: Where's the salt? You have washed my feet before? Yogi: It isn't going Mother Shri Mataji: you see my vibrations are like ice, there a little warm water will help. You see they are like ice, the ice melts and there again it becomes nice. ? Shri Mataji: Bala you have to get about 5 lbs of salt Yogi: I have got a big container of salt in my room upstairs.?? Yogi: You need some more salt? Shri Mataji: Of course Yogi:?? Shri Mataji: Good right are you better Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: That's good that's good that's good Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji:Your colour will change in the hands gradually, let us see, there, it's getting a shine there you see becoming lighter. Yogi: 1.65 lbs mother Shri Mataji: This is too good Yogi: ?? Make ?? Shri Mataji: Yes That's why it was said you are the salt, salt water, this is the guru you see, that's what saalt teaches us you eat salt as an elements place, you are not to deceive that person, You see Guru is the ocean, ocean represents the Guru, and the salt is the essence of the ocean ?? See. Salt only, just keep it salt better? That's good grab it and rub it hard. Alright? That was nice from Albert Einstein Isn't it. He was a realised soul like Blake he was ?? Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: He ?? But I don't know what happened to his scholarship, ? they are born ?? Shri Mataji: This is from Mrs Mehra? She sent it for you Yogi:? Shri Mataji: So you have that one alright? Mrs Mehra has sent that one for all of you, will you have sufficient that's all, that's the number. Yogi: There is another box. Shri Mataji: Another box? Yogi: yes Yogi:? Would you like one? Yogi: No Yogi: There's some more salt here Shri Mataji: Yah Yogi: Are we going to do the salt treatment? Shri Mataji: Beg pardon? Shri Mataji: you should take it, a good idea? Yogi: You should take it away At home take it out the whole thing ?? Good, for liver you should give the liver diet all of them should have....... Yogi: ??? Salt and lemon cure on their holiday Yogi: They have given me one Shri Mataji: and ? Yogi: It's very good Yogi: It works because it's so horrible, you daren't be ill. Shri Mataji: You will be amazed how it works you see because you know all the things that we think as very important and great in this world has no value in spiritual world. Like Ganeshas, Ganeshas conveyance is a mouse you see, just a mouse, you see we people to show off our greatness, we have cars, and like aeroplanes some people will have just to show off your ego. His vehicle is a mouse that is what it is. In the same way this lemon has a coefficient which really carries Ganeshas powers and it sucks in but it has to be fresh and a little rounded type and then it works better. Not very longish. Yogi: Salt Shri Mataji: No no no lemons, lemons have to be, worst for Sebastian you see the youngest so he has to work the hardest. In our Sahaja yoga the younger people have to work harder you see, but the elders have to love them and give them Presents and gifts you see, a good idea. Ha ha ha ha ha Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: Aha, Thank you very much. Thank you. They liked it. (Speaks in Hindi or Marathi) You should not have put any salt in that, did you put any salt. Yogi: I don't know Mother, I don't ?? Shri Mataji: But it's good for your nabhi, and er Yogini: it tastes very nice Shri Mataji: What do you say Don? Yogi: Vishuddhi Shri Mataji: Left S: Mmm better, is it? Put your hand on his visshuddhi Mmm Yogi: Left Swadishthana Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthana, put your hand on the left Swadishthana. You put on your hand, you put it there please, Yogi:? Shri Mataji: Are you alright? Any better, cool breeze, Good, you see from the eyes you can make out. Your eyes start sparkling ....and first there is dilatation when the kundalini rises above the Agnya. Although sometimes people feel a little blind when it rises but when it pierces the Brahmarandra and it establishes then you get a sparkle in the eyes, eyes are very sparkly. Yogi: why should it be that sometimes you find your eyes burning sometimes, you know you feel it coming up to here then it falls back Shri Mataji: because of Agnya, in the Agnya the kundalini fights primarily because most of your problems are in the Agnya, so she fights there, and when she starts fighting there and then you get this burning and she has to pull them up. Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: You are, your Eyes are very weak that's why, how did you like after that Yogi: very light? Yogi: I did it a couple of days ago I got a tremendous throbbing here and you could see the thing Shri Mataji: the Vishuddhi is very bad, very bad Vishuddhi Yogi:? That would simply ?? Shri Mataji: No no no can be asking for problems you have Vishuddhi, his face used to go into contortions Hello David how are you? Yogi: Hello, I brought my wife too Shri Mataji: That's good I was asking about her I said where is she I have not met her Yes come along. These are your children? Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: That's good, very good, come along, come along. Yogi: Mrs Fraser Shri Mataji: come in come in. Ha ha ha ha ha He is alright ? Sahasrara is opening out Yogi: right heart, Shri Mataji: right heart, right heart Yogi: Peter ?? Shri Mataji: Better now, you being tall you can put your hands through this window here, left hand. Yogi: He looks very different, he looked really sick Shri Mataji: He is looking very different now Yogi: The eyes Shri Mataji: Thank you very much, you yourself you are flowers you see, thank you. What's her name? Yogi: Annette, Mrs Fraser, Shri Mataji: Fraser Shri Mataji: Sit down, sit down sit down, give her some ladu or something to eat mmmmm Yogi: ? Shri Mataji: Shuddha Vidya Shri Mataji: How are you? Yogi: Good Shri Mataji: I was very happy, yes, please make it, then give him a seat. That's good.I think it's time, for a while will be better, let them have the seat, please let him have the seat. You can come or you can sit here. Good, now, shawl is doing the job. Yogi: Is better now ??? Left Vishuddhi, left heart, the heart was sticking, ah well Shri Mataji: left heart ah yes that's ?? Shri Mataji: ah yes what about Mr Ghent, did he come? He was to come today, Yogi: James Shri Mataji: James, James Yogi: I didn't recognise the name Yogi:?? A friend of Philips Shri Mataji: The one who wrote lots of books and Yogi: The yoga fella Shri Mataji:?? Yogi: The yoga fella he said he would come today, will he be over do you think? If that's the one Yogi: Is his name Michael Yogi: John Yogi: John, Denu or something Shri Mataji: Ghent, Gent Shri Mataji:? Yogi: ? Philip knows him, I don't know him Yogini: someone said ten o'clock or something Shri Mataji: Ten? Yogi: to half past ten Yogi: it's half past nine now Yogi: There's a ? Shri Mataji: Left heart, Douglas if you can do ?? Shri Mataji: Some sort of a stool or something, ??? That one? Shri Mataji: Speaks in Hindi Shri Mataji: How many are they, 94,000 are the meditators are they ? I will tell you about dharma but also I want to tell you about ?? Shri Mataji: First I said... alright, I went to..guru...... I went down to Kolapur once, you see ??? that's a great place of the Goddess and I went down there and then I want to go and see him you see he lives on a hill, so I went up this very very steep climbing up, when I went down there.....so you see he can control the rain, this one, and there is something to do with water, he can live in water just like a fish, and his both legs are like this you see, they are broken type, and hands are also like this, poor fellow and he goes about on a tiger, he gives him a occasionally ..so when I went there see the rain had started and he was very angry with the rain that I was getting drenched when I was going to his place you see, nodding his head like this, so when I went there he was in a temper, absolute temper. They have a temper also you see, they have a big temper. So when I went up I picked him up I said now come along don't be angry with the weather and then of course did my Aarti he touched my feet he did everything, but then he said that Mother why did you not allow me to control the rain, were you trying to kill my ego he said, no I did not why should I, you don't have an ego, I said, he said why didn't you allow me. You see I don't like the way you are drenched coming up, completely drenched is not good for me, you are coming to my house, it's such a great day for me and here I find that you are drenched. I said alright I will tell you why something you have bought a sari for me and if I am not drenched I won't take a sari from you and then the whole temper went away you see and he started crying, ?? I was very much touched, but I said there was another point, I said when I was coming up the rain was going over my body, all this place is to be vibrated, you are going to have beautiful greenery here, and that's why I wanted the rain to come, what is going to happen to me he said, I am not going to be affected by it, and then he got the sari and then he was very sweet to me but he is sweet to me but not for others he is horrid absolutely, horrible thing you know he told me that Mother if you find anybody a person who troubles you send them over to me. So once there was this horrible fellow was troubling me too much. You see I have patience with them, but I said you had better go to Maharaj, he was very, Oh Maharaj is cold is it. Because these sanyasi must feel very elated about Maharajs , so I said alright go ahead and see so when he went down with great hopes and when he came after 15/20 days or so he came in such a terrible condition that both the legs were put here, you see he was dangling in the air, people were carrying him I said what has happened how are you here in this way, he said Mother please forgive me and this is the Kabbah, the days of the Maharaj that I .....??.. I said what did you do? He said you see in the night his tiger came and threw me in the cut and I was there for 3 days ?? And he couldn't get out, I was just there for 3 days continuously I was there and then you see lowered some Lotis? and said eat there and be there for some time and then he picked him up and brought him and some people went and assisted him out. Then he said now you go to your Mother and put these feet your legs around your neck and go dangling to her and beg of her. I said what has happened what did he do, he said no no no no I was just a little bit criticising you, I said that Mother does not discriminate between good and bad she gives realisation to everyone you know, I said Oh you are very wise, I must say you are a very wise man, and this is what he has done to me, now you don't send me to him, so they are like that. ?? Then I told him Maharaj you are ?? A temper you see ? he said no these are the days you must have temper otherwise you cannot save them, they are horrid, then they don't want to come down, you see he says you work on these horrid people then Sahaja yogis he went to see you he said these you have got your vibrations for nothing at all I work 21,000 years and then I got, he was a frog since then he has been seeking he says, so I don't know how far it is true, whatever it is, and he said and you got these vibrations just like this, you have no value, you have no value for Mother, you have no value for your vibrations, so he said how many of you are willing to give your life? He said we always give our lives, what is there for Mother, so they came to me and they told me so I asked him, why do you want my children to give their lives for me I should give my life to them ?? he said that's how you spoil them, that's how you spoil them?? they are like children also, he is 108 or something you see, and then I cured his legs and hands, he's better, oh we have so many of such people but they are very hot tempered Yogi: Shri Mataji in India when they have these big festivals with all the sanyasis and sadhus people come and they say they are holy people ??, what is the significance of these holy people, surely ?? Shri Mataji: You see there was one of our Prime Ministers came for a short time and went away in Islamabad.. Now he is a Sahaja yogi poor thing. You know he..in India if you want to give any charity you will find so many sadhus sitting you just announce in the paper that tomorrow oh we'll give charity to people they will all change their dresses they may be thugs, they might be criminals be wanted and all that become like sadhus to get something. I shouldn't say this to you, ha ha ha ha, because all the time we are saying we are too clever and we can't describe our cleverness, we are really too smart you know, and we have no self respect, no self respect about it. You can't understand they will change their dresses and come down and beg of you and take money from you ...? What does it take to become a sadhu you see you can get this sari and dyed it in that colour for one rupee in India only one rupee, you see here it may be a little expensive, but in India only I rupee you dye that and you become a sadhu and you start begging everywhere, we have all kinds of nonsense going on in our country. Yogi: Oh I was going to go to India a long time ago and I can remember bring in Calcutta and walking Shri Mataji: That's the worst Yogi: Down charingay and there was this mother with the child and the child was screaming and had a bandage round it's eyes, and a policeman who was in the middle of the road directing the traffic looked across and then he just stopped the traffic and ran over and ripped this bandage of the child's head and there were 2 cockroaches in the, being held on by the bandage and they were trapped.. Shri Mataji: she might not be the mother also, she might have taken away somebody's child. Yogi: She was making the child blind so it could beg, and you know she just went round the corner and probably put it back on again. Shri Mataji: Yes, So you see when you ask questions you must know that you are in a different play you don't know these horrible people, we have beggars who have buildings in Bombay, they own, you see beggary is our national profession, you don't know that, and our ministers and our Prime Ministers are also doing the same. They are beggars, real beggary, we know you see you must learn from us the way we beg. Yogi: Why then do so many good people come to India why is it such a holy country? Shri Mataji: You see only from the, from the mud the lotus are born, you see it has to be a real mud to create lotuses. It teaches that wretched state that you have to create a lotus, otherwise the horrible place will stink and everybody will die of that pollution. So the lotus has to be born in the worst possible place. That's what it is. See what kind of people we have ?, days......now. You see they kill their own Minister, prime minister Pakistani see one better than the other you see, we are great at people, ha ha. In this matter we are one, only thing we are wise in one thing which you are not seeing ???? And that is something we have got something so great that I wish you could imbibe that. Our women are very great ??, our women you see we have maintained our families, maintained our children we have maintained our society, that's what we have which you do not have. You see our women are very clever you see now he's controlled by his mother through her love, she knows how to make him, first of all they will enter through their stomachs, you see they will feed them so well he must be missing his mother, you see and they look after them so well give them so much of love that's how that part is missing here you see if you have got that love you would not have gone to this kind of a horrible person, you see. You just went there for love actually Yogi: a lot of insecurity Shri Mataji: Lots of insecurity inbuilt. Because of the war perhaps, or maybe, I don't know about the government are really mad here, they are liberating themselves and all nonsense they are doing, you see what we are so powerful in India women are extremely powerful here you see our husbands are supposed to be ruling us supposed to be, but who rules in the family, you can make out, so this is the very great blessing we have that ...our society is good ..... And that the family is intact, and I mean just that way you see that way we are very strict here, extremely strict, there is so much of stupidity, I mean we don't know how to explain these things, the things that are happening here like teaching sex to children and all this. it is stupidity and it's absolutely absurd you see we don't teach this to dogs, why should we teach it to our children. So many things are so stupid and idiotic which you will start seeing very soon after Sahaja yoga so that is the thing very wrong with you I mean we cannot understand that Indians you see we say this is how it works out, it's shocking isn't it? Other relationships like mother, sisters, pure relationships do not exist here, they are all absurd and sort of muddled up this is Freud, Mr Freuds donation to you, and the way you accepted him also, if you had bothered about Jung it would have been better. Just...Good and I think it is a reaction of also of this catholic suppression you see of saying that you cannot achieve God without being celibate and all this suppressed things so you just react to these things, .......that's how it is. Now whatever is sensible you will be inclined to see because of your intelligence, we are told we are out of date sort of thing you see, it's finished so this is modernism, see this is the modern style, it's idiotic I tell you, it is so stupid, it is so stupid that you cannot imagine when the Indians meet you see or say Pakistanis, Indians meet or the other....I had a Mauritius ..they all the time laugh at these things and once there was another story, yes ? it is, so then another says like this. For us it is something absolutely Greek and Latin we just can't understand it. ..better now? Is he better ?? Yogi: Left Agnya Shri Mataji: Left Agnya, Yogi: Strong left Shri Mataji: Mmm Better? We call them two types of sins, one is the sin against the Mother and the other sin against the Father, you commit the sin against the Mother, but sin against the Father you are alright, you do not steal things, But also you see this is a very serious thing in a way. We go to a family .......you just polish off your ....without any compunction, .......you think that is right sort of thing to run away with things and you go to his house and you find your own blanket and you are quite shocked, what to do? You must be having such fun, ha ha that it could be, but an Englishman comes to your house say, I shouldn't say Englishman, but I would say a westerner comes, American specially he comes to your house, he'll manage away your wife, you see next thing you find her missing then who is going to look after the household who is going to look after the children, you see maybe a very young fellow coming in the house like her son, she goes off with him and then there is no law against it, you just can't do this? Yogi: You have laughed at us several times Mother for not being right. And in the orient its tradition, to arrange the marriage, over here it is to meet somebody. Shri Mataji: Yes you see things arranged traditionally are good idea traditional is good because you see we have horoscopes to begin with , So we take your horoscope and we take the horoscope of the girl who we want to marry and we tally it and there has to be at least 26 points minimum. If you do not have 26 points meeting then they don't have marriages, because they believe that marriage won't be successful. You see but if there are 26 points alright then go ahead that's why marriages are rather successful because the temperament and all that you see? They are complimentary so it works out. Also by arranging a marriage everybody is involved in the marriage you see. The parents everybody takes up the responsibility, like mother father everyone so they see to it that the marriage is successful, and thirdly it's a collective sanction of all the society. In a village if you marry now I mean my daughters marriages took place in Bombay, not in a village, but in the real village style, you know, and we have to have so many foolish things in the night, one of them was the cow dung, but I didn't know from where to get cow dung, in Bombay so in India it is not difficult you have to tell somebody in the village you see. A tailor is there to dress up the boy, he comes there you have to give something, he knows all this and then the washer woman comes to give you something else, and like that you see, you have to give them presents you see, so the whole family, the whole household everybody in the village is involved, so you have to have that kind of a leaf, and that kind of a leaf and that kind of a water, and all that is to be brought for the marriage, so everybody's involved with the wedding. But now for this cow dung, I asked somebody you see, and he didn't understand me, can you believe. He brought truck load of cow dung, I didn't know what to do with it, it was such a problem, because in the village it's alright because they do the whole thing....(.all things).......so he brought a truckload of it you see he was also from (Upee), And he had a big what do you call it a dairy where he was having lots of cows and things. So he brought a truckload, he thought Mataji has asked for it, let me take a truckload because in India we might need half a truckload for a wedding because you have to do all that cleaning and everything is done you see with the cow dung. Yogi: What do you do with it? Ha ha ha ha ha Shri Mataji: I sent it back ha ha ha ha Yogi: No, no I mean with the cow dung, what do you actually do? Shri Mataji: You see in India we don't have sort of ...what do you call..?.. Dairy places you see, something so cow dung is surprisingly, I don't know about the cow dung here, but in India is very good you see it doesn't have any smell or anything, fresh cow dung if you spread it on the ground you see it behaves like a cement Yogi: Oh Shri Mataji: it's a cement, it behaves like a cement you see, and then they use it for say cementing the place, for cleaning the place and also for light washing the huts and all that. Ghandijis hut was all white done with the cow dung. Yogi: Like Africa Shri Mataji: Yes, Africa, Yogi: They use cow dung build with it like a cement. Shri Mataji: Yes it is a cement you see cow dung, like a plaster it's very clean makes the wall look very clean and also there is a little you can call it a green colour to it see so the whole place is looks a little green type, it's quite nice it doesn't smell and it's very good because you know the cows always eat only leaves and things they are vegetarians you see so the cow dung is good, Yogi: Does excrement not have bad vibrations? Shri Mataji: They don't have, cows, they don't have ??, but in India, but I don't know about the cows in England, because here the cows look like Buffaloes you see. The cows of England look like Buffaloes. My grandchild said why are the Buffaloes here are white, I can't understand the Buffaloes are white here, she didn't think they were cows you see. So India cows are special something Yogi: They are stuffed full of chemicals anyway Shri Mataji: Yes, I think and you know they make them live in such unnatural circumstances, ..............and never respect them. In India every household has a cow you see so she is treated like a mother, in the family you take her that's how they develop this kind of a feeling for her. But that to such an extent they go I mean you are not going to become a cow now so you see, this is just another extreme they take, but that's how they respect The cows very much and the cows are really so very kind. Better now? Alright. Good. Who has done........Wash.........This.........Again... Who is not doing that, May God bless you. ..........insecticide or say Ajax, which is a horrible treatment Ajax this kills off all the vibrations and I won't tell you that it is to Yogi: Ajax? Shri Mataji: Ajax it is something very horrid. And I tell you that if you put this in your hair your hair will grow, it's like that. Do you understand my point? .......the one who wants to harm you then do this way and he's done this way , westerners of some sort, westerners of sort you see You shouldn't handle salt alright, just put it there and let him take his own salt you just put it down alright now let him take his own salt,............you never give salt to the hands just it is the principle of the guru and the sustainance in us, sustainance in anything whatsoever, in the material world you can see the sustainance, I always give the example of gold you see, that gold is untarnishable, that is the sustainance of gold. In the same way you can say all the Valencies and the properties of the photons and neutrons and electrons in a molecule or I would say in an atom of every element is the sustainance of that element. So you see human beings also have got sustainance is how are you a human being, what are the qualities that describe you as a human being, that is the sustainance for human beings, now the word dharma comes from the word (???) the one which you sustain, the one which you imbibe which is imbibed within you by which you exist as a particular personality, as a human being or as an animal like a scorpion has its own sustainance like a dog has its own sustainance, like a horse has its own sustainance, in the same way human beings have these Ten Commandments as is these is very important, now they can be divided into actually into 2 parts if you see. Again by disobeying one you create the sin against the Mother, by another you create the sin against the Father. Left side and the right side. Now this is within us, inborn it's built in, but if you try to go against it then you start suffering. This is what is the dharma, you have to just maintain it , you don't have to do anything extreme about it but just maintain it. So we have dharmas of different dharmas and that's why it was given to us a long time back and then has been very reverently described, in I would say, in Indian scriptures. The reason is the Indians were more meditating type and they meditated it and whatever they got, say Ten Commandments they got now they would work on it, now what happens if you disobey and what goes wrong where it comes from where is the chakra, which part of the petal it works, what is the name for it and all that. They went into it to find out the details about it. Whatever they discovered through the unconscious you see which they work back you see like they discovered anything in their dream they would go back to it meditate and find out about it. That's how they discovered about many things that are within us and this is only possible in a country like India or say Pakistan where the climate is not so unkind to people and people can just live in the forest and lead a very very simple life. Moreover the society in those days were of such a good way made, the people were so sensitive that whatever the saints said went through you see all of this. You see we have got these four dharmas we make that in the childhood you stay with your parents, then you are 5 years of age you go to a forest, from 5 to say 25 or 20 years of age you stay there a celibate life just like brothers and sisters. Now this is the.. this is the dharma, of the first half of the life as we can say is the brahmacharya at that time you are in celibate, ??? how do you obtain celibacy. You see they also saw to it that they made the society that way, for example talking about sex was absolutely out of the question, thinking about sex was out of the question, they produced all every entertainment and everything, everything in such a way that children took to the sublime relationships like brother and sisters , mother and all these things. So they developed that within them the power to understand that celibacy is the basis of innocence and celibacy must be maintained that age when you are still very very young and you are not yet married then the marriage time came, .then there was the dharma of the family, rastra dharma, the one where you are a household, and that is the dharma for you. You must, first one was the Vidya dharma when you are students second one was your ? Second Dharma when you were in the family. To maintain this dharma of celibacy they started a system by which cannot marry into the same university and the university was named as gotra say your gotra, say my gotra is the Chandi I cannot marry in the same gotra, and if I marry in the same gotra then it is not regarded it is null and void. So all the boys and the girls in the inner city felt that they were brothers and sisters. But not only then but in generations even still today you see you are taking into consideration the gotras. If you do not only the people you see who have got a mixed life or ??....they do not have the gotra brahmacharya otherwise all the people would worry about the gotras to find out what is your position. So this was just to maintain that celibacy point, absolutely clear cut in the minds of the children, when they are studying. At the same time after the married life, you see after the 50 years of age the grandparents would go to the same forest and live with their grandchildren. So there was the love of the grandparents and the grandchildren and they lived together in that very pure atmosphere. And the atmosphere was absolutely pure, and then they were given the ???? The training about the married life, and the wife, oh and there is also the ?? Dharma how to treat your guru, how to recognise him, all these things were laid out in great details to understand well the thing was to be understood by all the students how to behave. Like there are five mothers. You see one of them is the wife of the guru, and the gurus sons were married, and they looked after their students just like their own children, and they were all realised souls if they were not realised souls they were no good. So they at that time only they gave them this idea of dharma, it was built up. You see this was all good for the society and then they got married and after the marriage you see they went and had children and there was only one man and one woman relationship. There was no question of having all these nonsensical ideas of incompatibility.. But from the very beginning it was true that indulgence in sex is not the way to God, you have to do it because you have to have children and you have to be very temperate about it. It is only to express your love to your wife that it is done and that is how the Putni dharma and then the pati dharma and all these dharmas the relationships with each other is established. Now dharma means sustainance which delimits your behaviour which glorifies your relationship that was a dharma started out. But basically it is our sustainance which is built by God himself within us you see like a tree of mango will give only mangos. In the same way a human being has to be a human being. We cannot be a rhakshasa, and he cannot be an animal, he cannot be, but the freedom was given to us you see to see our dharma to maintain it, but what we did instead of going beyond the dharma we spoilt our dharma. And that is how all our void was spoiled. Now how this fellow has spoilt your dharma we should see? You see this gentleman you can see what has happened now first of all that he is not a realised soul and you are not to bow to anyone, that is why it is prohibited to bow to anyone who is not a realised soul. It went to such a limit at the time of Mohammed Sahib that he saw to it, he said don't bow your head, just don't bow, because he started talking about the abstract the trouble was in the beginning of this they knew about the deities they started talking about the deities. But when they found that people, were not going to the real deities but just creating deities of their own and they were worshipping those deities, and just doing all ritualism and no essence in it. So they said alright let us talk of the essence, I give a simile like this that they talked about the flowers, because they thought that by talking about flowers it would be easier for the bees to come to the flowers, but what they found that people got lost in the flowers, not in the ??. They would not see the ?? So they said lets talk about the ?? But both turned out to be only talks, talks talks, talks, talks so what you have to do is to become (?) to go to that. This is where you cross your dharma when you are no more a human being but you are a super human being, you are dharmatit, you are beyond your dharma, see where you are not any more a human being but a person of a superior conciousness where you see your dharmas just start acting automatically, like an example is like this, that you see it is not allowed in dharma to drink this alcohol now they were not mad to say that you see, all of them said that you should not drink alcohol. Now what does alcohol do? First of all it kills your dharma, how does it kill your dharma? Let us see, it's very simple I tell you scientifically now I would say ..?? when you take alcohol the alcohol has a capacity to break your water into 2 lines O and OHi, oh I am sorry H and OHi so the OHi you see what does it take the O cannot absorb the heat in your body because of that OHi meaning in you your heat is not absorbed in the water that is the blood because of that what happens all the heat is accumulated in your being and it cannot be taken out. For example your liver is the place where all your poisons are sorted out and it gets heated up you see, imagine your liver being heated you see, we know what happens to liver, you just take the liver of a goat and heat it up until it becomes a solid piece just like a rock and it's hard even to bite into it with your teeth, it's so hard and this is what happens when you take alcohol your liver becomes just like solid like a, what do you call, a rock! And it loses all its functions you see and that is what goes against your dharma that if you take drinks it happens, but actually drinks were never created by God. For this you see he created it for polishing . It is just a polish a polish of everything you see say if you have to polish crystals or diamonds you have to use gin as a polish all this spirit is nothing but for polishing, who asked you to drink it. But somebody must have got drunk and he must have felt funny about it and he must have told everyone, and everybody started drinking. Now when they said don't drink they said 'oh that's out of date you see there Mohammed Sahib says no good. He told us not to drink. Nanaka said don't drink. Now smoking you see the results of smoking. Now What is happening with smoking it goes against your Vishuddhi because you see that is the place of Krishna and smoking started much later. You see he was much earlier, smoking started later. That's why Mohammed Sahib has talked about it much more but Mohammed Sahib did see this point, he did see. So he said all intoxicants and all habits are to be discarded, all such things must be discarded. So he also wanted (Mother speaks in Hindi) addictions, addiction, addiction, all these addictions must be given up he said it very clearly, no addictions are allowed according to him. But you see how you make fuss about things like Mohammed Sahib and all these gurus all these great incarnations of the primordial master Adi Datatreya, Adi Natha, they talked of how to maintain your religion, your sustainance, your balance, so immediately the Christians because Christ didn't talk much about it because Moses had talked about it, Abraham had talked about it, So Christ did not talk so they said alright so Christians can drink, just imagine. This is a loophole that's how they became Christians perhaps because they thought that they belonged to the Jews you see, then they wouldn't have been able to drink, but Jews drink like hell. Jews also drink now. I mean the Muslims drink the most you see and worst are the Sikhs who are prohibited from drinking and smoking they can beat all your scotch people here you see. All your scotch whiskey goes into their stomachs, all these things, and they grow in this way thinking that they are great Sikhs going around you see, they wouldn't even wear a helmet when they are driving a motorbike and they will oppose it and in which, in which scripture it is written that you don't wear a helmet. Where is it written that you don't wear a helmet, that they are they doing like this whatever is written is that you don't drink, and they come to England only for that, if you didn't have scotch whiskey here, I mean if you really stop then they will all go back to India. It's a race relation problem I tell you. if you really prohibit them from, even Muslims are the same, they are only here because they can drink very well which they cannot get in Pakisthan you see, so that's why they are here. So this is. If you want to stop your immigration is the best way is to stop all your pubs, and don't allow any Indians to enter into it and any Sikh because it's prohibited and all the Muslims, you can stop it all of them will go back, back and back, you see that, they are just Yogi: Then you will have the race relations people onto you. Shri Mataji: No but there is relations you see, you will understand that such horrible races are not needed here who just break out? For nothing at all instead of giving you something good that they have got from their own country they are only learning bad things here. What kind of a race relations you have when they come here you teach them how to flirt with women and teach them how to drink and all these dirty things you teach them, what race relationships are these. I just don't understand they are not good relationships and they don't teach you anything good, they teach you all bad things, how to thief and how to be clever, how to take away someone's money that is a race relationship going on you see learning bad things from each other , it is better not to have such a race relationship where only the bad things are learnt from each other isn't it. So this is what it is. So when the dharma is established you see one understands what is religion ? Now you will be surprised fanaticism is against dharma. Fanatics always catch on the left nabhi fanaticism you see you people also were fanatics about TM. Once upon a time, and that's why also left nabhi is bad. Imagine, fanaticism is not the answer. (Telephone rings Mother Answers) Shri Mataji: Hello ah (Indian conversation on phone). Hello Namaste, I am so sorry this was also planned much earlier, how are you now? How are you, and how is Mr M? Alright I will say you take your baths, and you have your breakfast and whatever you like, you can ask these people to prepare for you and just this is your own house. I am sorry I was booked up like this and there are already so many people sitting down here you see and then I think you can sleep off after breakfast and................yes Shri Mataji: and is it better,see his eyes see his eyes dilated, good what are you feeling sorry about. Ha, Feel sorry, you see you had to be crucified, what is there to cry, huh? it's only me who has to suffer the most, and despite all my powers you had to be crucified. So it's only I should really be crying, why should you? I don't know what was lacking in me that I could not control this situation. This was not destined. Chris's crucifixion was sustained this one was not. This is your own choice, so the sustainance is maintained through temperance, you have to be in the centre you see, now going to churches was alright as long as the people with the church were realised souls going to temples was alright as long as they were real Brahmins. But, you see it went to the extreme of things so the real people went away and the horrible ones came in, who did not know what they were supposed to do. So this is against dharma to be fanatical and fanaticism is the, is such a horrible disease that it gives you cancer you know fanatics get cancer, and they become so cunning in their old age they are so horrid. I mean there is a lady we know of and she is a great fanatic and she is not very old but now she doesn't know how to use her bidet, she uses if for WC, she thinks that's a WC, so it can be anything. Old age is very funny of these fanatic people so some of them start pulling out their hair, some of them start you see of getting nervous twitches and all sorts of things. So going to extremes of fanaticism was no good, that's why you reacted against christianity but you went from one extreme to another extreme. What is the difference, just tell me this horrible fellow is also talking of celibacy, what else is there, it's just talking talking talking, at least you see that pope is a public figure and if he does anything wrong people will take him to task, but this fellow is not a public figure, nobody can even correct this fellow. There is no way to correct him, he can do whatever he likes. The way you have anointed him he is become such a free thing he can do whatever he likes. So it's a very different line of action was taken from one extreme to another extreme, extremes are to be avoided, to be in the centre is your sustainance and that is what is brought forth by your temperance. But how do you get your temperance is the point, is through your wisdom, every human being has got this wisdom implanted in him, is born as a wise person except for very few who must have gathered lots of nonsense in their previous lives, but most of them have got their wisdom and the deity of wisdom as I told you is Ganesha. The one who incarnated as Christ later on, is the one who gives you wisdom so you must keep your wisdom intact and that wisdom is lost because you did not respect your innocence. Once you play about with your innocence your wisdom is lost, and that's how the wisdom is lost and you cannot discriminate between the real and the unreal and this came to you long time back when your innocence was challenged. You see when I mean industrial society started even before that, the ego orientation started and the ego started working it out and the ego said why I am on my own, what's wrong. What's wrong? Everybody asking what's wrong? Why should we read scriptures, why shouldn't we do this, why shouldn't we do the other thing, and you had no answer, you see, so you said we are on our own and this is what is the other thing which causes cancer within us that we become ? Because we become cancer ourselves, we become a cancerous body. What is a cancerous body? That it is on its own. It has no connection with the whole. So we come to the other point where we should know that the dharma is the one that keeps you in contact with the whole. We have the whole idea of how we should behave. How you should be there. Like you are in a family. Now many people criticise this side of Indian life, but they don't understand that this side of an Indian life is very good, that they know how to behave in ? say now for example in my husbands family we have, it's a huge big family, although he's the only son. ??? but my husbands family, his mothers side is very large and there are about 100 people living in a huge big house like a castle you would see, and there are relationships like my own sister in law, my husbands sister, I would not say ?. She will ask me 100 times to sit down, then I will sit on the ground while she will be sitting higher there. You see there is a sort of a respect all the time and a relationship as it is in your state in your political life you have done it like that, the Queen is there, the Ministers are here, and this is there, in the same way families also a state and these relationships are developed and this is the dharma. This is the sons dharma, then the fathers dharma, the Mothers dharma and all these things are there within us built up on this side where we go on saying that if we do not observe it we commit the sin against the Mother. Now the sin against the father is another type of dharma in which Indians are great experts you see, I don't know how they have landed themselves into this. First of all I would say that these Brahmins you see they are supposed not to have to earn their own living, it was, I don't know how they started this nonsense, also, but these were really real Brahmins and they would not spend their time in earning money so people had to sort of look after them, that was the principle, but in the early stages of every student they had to go and beg food from the neighbouring villages and take that food for their guru to give them the food and they would not earn anything because you see they would not pay for their teachings and they would not pay for their education. Neither would the gurus would be paid for what they were teaching to keep the serenity of that profession and that's how they achieved it with great respect, and that's why it was done, but it became a profession with them the way we became you see beggars later, I don't know how it triggered but then you see begging has become one of the professions saying that we are very poor and we must have a house, some free money like parasites. So that is one thing started, then when you will be amazed that there's in the twelfth century a Chinese, twelfth or fourteenth century, a Chinese visitor came to India and he wrote in his diary he said that people don't know what is a law, they don't know what is a law, and I think there is no word in Sanskrit to say for locks, so we had no lock, we never used locks, so even now if you go to the say hill places nobody will lock. Even in my own lifetime I have seen my fathers house was never locked, left always open, you can walk into it and nothing was gone, people would not steal so can you imagine the same people have become so mercenary, because you see there also I would say that we didn't have the idea of having very stylish home and all the material things should be there in the household on the contrary the common pattern was that live with that as much as possible. My own Mother I would tell you that she was the wife of a rich man and everything she had but she was a disciple of Mahat Magandi. Both of them my father and Mother and she would spin her own saris you see, spin the yarn, spin the yarn herself, both of them, imagine and they would make the clothes out of that yarn only. So you see if she had 6 saris, 6 saris only in one year she would keep it if it was seventh she would donate it to someone. That's was the way. Same with my father, I mean they were so generous you can't imagine how generous they were. I mean like we had chandeliers and carpets and everything in the house because you see inherited only, there wasn't any sort of a man ??, but our carpet the carpet used to be used by all the people in the area, because they would take away the carpet for the wedding, then we had silver things you see, like silver, what do you call, umbrellas, silver umbrellas and we had silver things to sit down and all sorts of things like that. So that has to be distributed. Anybody had them, they were to be sent for the wedding, somebody, so the whole thing would go and we would forget even where is the gramophone gone because we would not keep the account. Now, alright you see to find out. From them might have been there. Somebody came for the gramophone, what about the gramophone, we are having a wedding so we said the gramophone has gone to another person you see and then the person would say, no no no I gave it to that one and, like that it was you see, so simple and that's how they lived, I mean until yesterday this was the condition of that country. But then suddenly we were introduced to materialism. They said now we are getting soft you see, so we must have everything smart in a matching saris, we must match this we must do this, and otherwise we feel very inferior you see if you find Indians here they are very well dressed you see absolutely sick and span according to them if you are not properly dressed then you are good for nothing. That's what it is you see, and all of this came into them after independence. Can you imagine. This idea of dressing up we had westernised people like the beaurocrats and all these who were very well dressed people you see, very impressive. They wouldn't talk to anyone, it's the same (??). They had. They have everything they are British like them for the tailcoats I think. I mean they were much more British than you were. We had all the same type of a service and the governesses, I mean I went through all that my father was like that in the beginning but then he was so enlightened he would my father he would throw away all his tailcoats he had tailcoats also, my father had tailcoats also, and can you imagine what was the need to have these morning suits, and things, but he had them you see? And they used to play cricket and lived they in the same manner as you did, absolutely Lords without any English background you see, so we beat the English in that sometimes as well, so that was the condition in India and that's how they started learning this new style of living and matching and this and that and that they started living in the big way. Of course it is necessary to live that. The matter is to be changed, and transformed. God has given you this power to ?? but when the matter sits on your head, then let's say if you have a sofa alright very good you can sit but if you cannot sit without a sofa then it's.?? you should be able to sleep anywhere you are like a king, I mean say for me if you want I can sleep there, I sleep like a log even on any place you put me down. I have no problem any bathroom anything, it doesn't matter, since I can manage you see because the matter cannot sit on your head and when the matter starts sitting on your head then you become habituated, and this is another type of sin starts the habits. Habit is another kind of a sin which starts in human beings. You see Human Beings are so funny, so funny in this, I don't know how they manage it, that if they are going say on a bridge which is say half a mile wide and then it is widened say one mile, they feel it, funnyyou see they think how is it, I mean the road is the same, the area is the same but if the bridge is increased in size they feel funny about it. So much so that I know of somebody who was a great man in India he had about seven steps going to his bathroom you see because he had to ring he had to pass through a? And he would live in a hut normally to show that he was trying asceticism and he would cross those seven stones every time but it increased sometimes 7 or 8, might be or 6, he got very upset for 3 days he just wouldn't have his food. Human beings can be that funny in their sustaining. So they form habits and habits come to you through the domination of matter and that is what keeps the human dharma pure If you want to go the deeper side of say sense of cleanliness with the human being a human being has a sense of cleanliness but that is also in extreme, there are some people who are so clean that they must wash their hands sixty five times. They are all the time cleaning their house, sweeping their house polishing their everything, and not even a rat enters their house it is that clean. You know, you just don't want to go inside such a horrible hospital that they create out of it. their personality is so horribly clean that you just don't know how to talk to them because even if you talk they think that there is something going on, that's your mark. Alright. Did you hear what I am saying, so much here. So too much of cleanliness comes to extreme of that there is another thing is that human Beings are fond of beauty, they like everything to be beautiful, everything to be nice properly harmonised, you people have great aestheticism, but you see when it comes to extremes you are so stupid and foolish that the other day somebody was telling me that the picture which is regarded as the most beautiful is a nude woman coming down a staircase. I would vomit the next moment you see the aesthetics have reached that point. ?? I would really vomit if I see a nude womans photograph, I vomit. It is so dirty and filthy you know to talk about bathrooms and to gutters. These are things that we have started liking, gutters. I mean is this the way you are aesthetically rich? And all these things come by, imagine, the people who are so beautiful, who would wear 3 piece suits, have now started wearing some sort of a little shorty thing, and you just don't like it. Yogi: birthday suits, Shri Mataji: Birthday suits, you just can't look at them, I mean your women are so horrid, they don't know how to respect their bodies, I mean the way they expose themselves, I mean they think they are being very very brave about it, same things as they are I would say the way they insult their bodies morning till evening. Using it for dirty things like attracting men towards them, it is like selling your body. It is a very dirty thing to do to your body, and all these things are there despite a sense of aesthetics you know. Indians have no sense of aesthetics you see. No, I am surprised how Bala was got this house done so well, otherwise you would find here a photograph of transferred of his father from one place to another, and a hundred funny faces there. (Laughter). You, what you got in an Indian house you would have red horrible carpet there and then you would have a green something there, but the time you are inside you feel that's terrible what's happening in this house you see like that , and that is what is happening you see to the aesthetics also. If you carry it too far also aesthetics like we said we must have abstract, alright have abstract, but are we abstract still you are in the horrible gross state and you are all the time worried about sex and sex and sex, and what are you going to produce in abstract. Unless and until you are there and then you have abstract, alright, but you go and see some some of these modern paintings you vomit you see that and you don't know what you get diarrhoea from visiting these places these days. I feel terrible about it the way they show horrible black and red and all that expressing their filth inside you see horrible. I feel the whole hell being released, and the people have such horrible aesthetics about it. We went to see Blakes paintings you see and Blake was a great poet of your country, you have never understood him he got so he depicted the picture of hell for him, alright, and he painted it very nicely and he described the hell just to frighten you that if you do not maintain your dharma you will go to hell. And I find that all these young people going there and saying what beautiful colours he has created see the harmony. It is a picture of hell they are seeing the harmony! Is it aesthetics, this is what has happened with us going to extremes of everything. We have lost all balance we have to be in the centre to enjoy. If you do not know how to be in the centre you can never enjoy the beauty, the special sustainance of your being, you cannot enjoy music, you see I have seen in the music program people go, and they will never see to the music but they will see how much it excites you and makes you a beast, the more it makes you the beast the better it is. They will get Oscar prizes all the films which are very filthy which are against your sustainance will get oscars you see, so if you get anyone with 3 oscars never go there, and that's how they sell you, also you will find those pictures who get oscars are always failures because on the whole humans like. ......... Right hand outside. Just put your right hand outside, just open the door, no him, they will handle problem, they will open the door alright? No wonder your wife objected to what you did, you see your wives must be all shattered the way you went into these gurus one after the another and David has been to more people than Philip has been so I am not surprised your wife was sitting..what's going on isn't it? I can quite understand and I can quite understand that the way Philips wife behaves because you know she must be thinking that I am another type and which they will get over and go to another type, because they are doing guru shopping you see. So that's the reason and I can quite understand it you see and I was yesterday only telling the way these people are busy with the gurus. Their wives must be really terrified. To see them what are they doing what are they up to, and even your father could have been very upset to see the way you were and that's why there was opposition. that's correct you see, he was a wise man to see that. Yogi: Mother I don't know because. .......(?).............for many many years you see so......(?) Shri Mataji: So just imagine you were.......(?).......your father These Indians can't understand you see our fathers are so strict they can even beat you, you don't say anything about it. Yogi: He wasn't a very good man. Shri Mataji: You see that's not for us to judge it's for God. You chose your father do you know? You chose your Mother yourself. You are such a great seeker you must have chosen your father, Mother, your country, everything maybe sensible. It's not possible that you just did it out of the blue so you have chosen him there must be something about him the way you chose him. So when you judge him please understand maybe these bhoots are giving you ideas you see always what other explanation can you give. When you are angry with your father only thing you can say he is not a good man, but see to the good points of him. Yogi: He also makes my daughter feel very angry. I feel very sorry but it's best we don't meet because there was always friction you see sometimes I think so it's best not to be there. Shri Mataji: Now the affection will come in you and such tremendous affection and such love you will not know what to do with your love, that's what he has done is to freeze your hearts you see, you will not know people will be surprised how you will be caring for them. This Gus had not seen his mother for 30 years, he had not even written to her how many years, he was forty years of age or something,.............I don't know, what was his age or something. Yogi: 34, he must have been about 34, he had been in Australia for 8 years. Shri Mataji: 8 years, but from his childhood there has been anger with his mother you see. He ran away here and there, I don't know how many years, (?) so he said Mother now I don't know from where all this love,........which I never felt for her, and he went to Australia, now he is looking after her. He enjoys it. So that is also your dharma as a sign to look after your parents to love and they will love you, you don't know how love begets love, these horrible gurus can not teach you anything else but hatred, hatred for everyone...... Your brother and everyone, that's why they are effective if they allow you to love the power of love is so great that you can throw them away. They do not want you to combine and join together. They want you to be separated all the time because you see if there is one small little tender branch you can break it but if you put twenty branches together you cannot break it . So they will see to it that you are separated. Yogi: Her Holiness Mataji gives a talk at Balas House in Birmingham on the 16th and 17th of the sixth 1979 Yogi: In dharma is this also...........governed ? by what we do. Shri Mataji: What is? Yogi: Does dharma cover the type of work you do? Shri Mataji: Yes very much so. It is the dharma for sustainance. Some people are artists born some people are say more mechanical minded, some are mathematicians are good at it. There should be, for example I cannot learn economics I cannot that is the greatest punishment, I cannot understand these human laws, if you tell me if you go, I mean one sentence I may understand but if you go to the second point I just don't have any idea I just cannot manage it I just don't understand it. When you come to how we were, it's, that, I said now this is too much of a burden I just can't manage, so it is. You see everybody has its own aptitude, I don't know so many things, you cannot imagine, I cannot even use.......is it mine, no it's not mine. But I cannot use, my what do you call it, tape recorder, I cannot. We have an akai in the house, I just cannot know how to just even start it, I really, I learn it many a times but again I forget it, I cannot play tapes you know these cards that you have every time they tell me I write it down, I forget it. I try to remember it, I cannot play racing I cannot do it, I just cannot do it. I try to learn, again and again but I.........they think I can do it, I cannot do it, I just cannot do it. Yogi: You cannot play racing. Shri Mataji: You asked yesterday about this. Yogi: No, I'm sorry I thought you asked a question, I am sorry, Pardon me. Shri Mataji: Alright Yogi: Mother is there any way that we can know what we are suited to you know, whatever work we should do? What is best for us? Shri Mataji: You see now you can ask the vibrations, anything that you want to ask it will give you the answers whatever work you want to do you know, you also maintain what work you can do. Now for example now, we are building horrible work this one is, now you do Sahaja Yoga, this is what you have to know on a spiritual level. For material, You can do whatever you like, you see whatever you prefer and such vistas will be open before you. You are as Don now. Don was so desperate you see he was just driving some big horrible Lorry, so I stopped it, I said now because Vishuddhi gets caught with that now he's doing this I think he will be a journalist or something, so you will start doing something better and something much more fulfilling and you will see, you can ask me, your attitudes. He has ruined you that way also you see, because he took lots of young people in his group and made them teachers, you see so you are nothing but TM teachers, you are not so after that what do you know, so you stick onto this fellow, that's what he's done. Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: But the problem is in this country it can all come out ......it's no problem. Yogi: are there any procedures like certain diet or certain things, exercise we should follow Shri Mataji: No it is depending on your chakras whatever is the chakra, for example if this chakra is catching we do basrika like this. You see Allah hu Akbar is the mantra for one chakra, means the Virat, that is the complete form of Krishna is called as Virat, you see that's what you have to say with this finger, is the finger of Vishuddhi, you say Allah hu Akbar, Allah hu Akbar, Allah hu Akbar, alright, it's all good for your Vishuddhi. Better? Shri Mataji: I must say he's so good ??? Alright, so this one works out here, but you can have Basrika also like this you can put your fingers in this and say four or five times it clears out, so we must know what to use where, which one is needed, but as it is the kundalini is going to clear it out very much more, you see, you won't need too much of this thing but little bit if you need you can do it. For liver we have got diets, and Vishuddhi but there is nothing to worry about diets, actually eat well, enjoy yourself, as it is you were starved by this horrible fellow, so I would say no dieting, nothing is needed, but one should not eat too much also, like all the time thinking about food is not a good thing. You see those who starve also fast think about food all the time, but it should be what you get alright, if you don't get well and good, like that you see, you should not even remember what you have eaten, so don't worry too much about food because food doesn't make much difference to you, it is your attention, if your attention is involved too much in food then you are no good. Yogi: We heard eating meat is for rajasic Shri Mataji: You must be eating at least All stories you see, you just reason it out, now supposing you say if you save the chicken am I going to give them realisation, what are they used for? Yogi: But if the chickens are abused then you know about cows and how they are treated Shri Mataji: Forget about them. Nonsensical, you see if you eat the chicken you give them a higher evolution, you don't know that? We had a system of b? All Indians had a system of b? Everyone had to sacrifice the lamb at the altar. Christ also has said it, this wise man has come from somewhere. Why do you talk like this. Rama killed a few. You see they even challenged Krishna because he killed so many people why, imagine me being a vegetarian I eat all these rhakshasas from morning to evening I drink their blood, how can I be a vegetarian? This is just a way of making you absolutely good for nothing. Then he can dominate you better, you see, specially the western people, in this why don't you see your culture, only in making money he did, see why didn't he say that you eat every kind of meat, of course the meat of people like horses and all that you should avoid, because they have a bad what do you call, fibres, and thats not good for the teeth, even cows meat that is bad for eating I've seen when I eat it I get swelling that's why it should be avoided, as far as possible. But not eating chicken or pork this, after all why God has created them. You need not eat meat, you have got methods where you don't have to eat it, but you have to eat some, you must have protein diet at least when you are above 50 years of age you must have more of protein diet it's important , all of them ate who did not? ....Krishna did it, Rama ate every one of them, and even in the Vedas the calf, the calf was eaten. This vegetarianism was started by Brahmins when they started saying that the brahmanism comes to you through birth, you see they said now we must have something for the cult, so we do not eat meat. It's very easy not to eat meat and form a cult. Yogi: Mother, how easy is it to explain that Christ changed the water into wine. Are these just stories. Shri Mataji: What is it Yogi: The stories how Christ changed the water into wine Shri Mataji: No no not at all actually these stories for Christ, for him it might be, horrible fellow it has said it was told? Yogi: No No no but you said that alcohol destroys. Shri Mataji: Yes but wine doesn't mean by any chance alcohol. You see the big mistake you see wine doesn't mean, wine means a grape juice is called wine, you know, even the tree I mean, the creeper is called wine, you go to any country like Germany in the villages they will not ask you to have grape juice they will say why don't you have wine you see it doesn't mean fermented stuff. yes it means, even if you read bible, there are many times it is described as hot, the body is used as alcohol sort of thing. Because you see Moses talked about it such a lot, Christ didn't talk about it but he must have said also but these people didn't talk................Christ never wrote anything, it goes against your awareness it's a simple thing, how can he give you wine you see it goes against your awareness it's a simple thing. Apart from people changes taking place it goes against your awareness How he you give you wine , it's not fermented, I love it the grape juice, I like it, you see really love it, the grape itself. The grape wine sitting before you, it is not a wine you see there, but does that mean that I support all alcoholism and pubs you see? he wants to do it. England's downfall is because of the pubs, close them down and you will see everybody will be alright. Yogi: I think it might be Ireland as well Shri Mataji: In Ireland I know because I know I had some Irish people working for me, and they would come for work for me , they would work alright, then they would go for lunch and then, I said after lunch you go home Nice people very cool people but you see this modern stem of wisdom Yogi: Where I come from Mother they are the worst for alcohol, yes they are the worst for alcohol, they drink alcohol all the time where I come from. Shri Mataji:Which is that place? Yogi: Glasgow in Scotland Shri Mataji: Oh Glasgow is horrible I've been there, I've been there lots. Yogi: We need you in Scotland Mother Shri Mataji: Really I must be there in Scotland. You see this is also a satanic force built in your own country, and how they put you up and additional to that you see the way it is sophisticated to drink there is a science about it. It is such a big science. You see you have to study if you really (?).. You have really ruined everything since long. When we first came to London we had to spend £900, to get only the goblets, for everything they have a different name..you see this wine I told my husband, I am ? out of this I cannot do it. He said here nobody will come to our house in no time. He is right, I mean if they come say in the evenings, some drink too much, little bit they drink they will all go mad and all mad so ............they said we don't believe in (?) I said just see this how the whole thing is, and I mean people don't talk to each other, unless and until you pour some wine for them it's mad, they will not talk unless and until until you give them a cigarette you see. That means you invite the bhoot into another fellow to talk to him. Shri Mataji: You see unless and until you put him into that position where he is possessed you cannot talk to him you see, Yogi: if it's a possession it's not you doing the talking. Yogi: Yes you won't even talk, it's a club, a club. ?? Shri Mataji: They have a great fraternity, I mean all these bhoots have a great fraternity they all combine together very well on a different level. Yogi: Bhoot. Shri Mataji: Bhoot is the one who is a spirit whose spirit is dead and they have a big fraternity that if there is one person who is possessed you see ........there is another one, who will I mean there is just a little possession they will immediately side with them they will all combine together it's a big fraternity. They go on giving you ideas all the time if you do not accept them you will get physical problems, if you accept them then you have had it. Yogi: What I don't understand Mother is that we have this quality of God and yet we seem to be so prone and open to this bad influence of possessions, things, they seem to be all round and they (seem they can enter at any time?) why is it that we are not stronger in God you know we are born and somewhere on the way we lose this wisdom or our innocence for God, why is that, why is that allowed to happen? Shri Mataji: You see the thing is this is an ego oriented society where we go............. It is there, it is pampered, we pamper it, even when you pay for it you don't get satisfaction then you pamper so it makes you feel you are the minister or something you see, somebody appoints me and I am the minister of... , I didn't understand the word compliment I said oh what a great word all these things it talks big things and its to pamper your ego. And ego is a thing by which a person becomes a lunatic, absolutely be becomes an idiot , now see how do you expect how do you Explain Mr Thorpe and all other idiots there are doing in this country, you see? One better than the other. I mean they are big, So you see you just don't get ? because of this ego and they know how to pamper it you see why people don't come to my program you know, because I don't charge any money, because they cannot get their hands on me, they know they cannot, I will do whatever I please that's not the way they expect from a guru. The real guru will never...on the contrary I am a Mother I am not unkind, ?? they call it, it's a kind of a wrong you see and as soon as one disciple comes in.....hit, kararh like again then again the same disciple again tries to come and they hit them on the other side, they hang them by their legs on a well, on a well for 3 days to see this to see if he is alright. These gurus, you see those who really are the real gurus, the real gurus you see, and they put you through so many tests that they get fed up, put a. ..??...on your head all the time, about to fall down you see that they are alright. To frighten you and if you are alright then only they will accept. But Mother is different while these gurus are just the opposite they pamper you just imagine. When I was reading this Minister of this and Minister of that its just a mocker, complete mocker. What happened to Ian and David why didn't they come? Yogi: David and Ian Shri Mataji: David and Ian are coming? I don't know, they were going to com here they said they were 25 miles away they said in Birmingham, I don't know. Shri Mataji: I hope they are searching Yogi 2: I thought maybe it was them on the phone but it's not. Shri Mataji: Must of been perhaps (discusses in Hindi with a yogi) Shri Mataji: In India we know all these things. (Again talks in Hindi) and there are many names of these people this style they are, but here they don't know anything, they only call general terminology. Yogi: They think they.............tell stories imagine Shri Mataji: Huh Yogi: Most people don't believe them. I think it's just an old fashioned way of explaining something in ........explain............nervous. Shri Mataji: That's the best way of avoiding the reality, you see by not believing these things. Now this fellow would never talk about gurus.... because how can he talk against his own house. Yogi: It shows his (strength or stress?) Shri Mataji: yes and for removing his (strength/stress?) he puts another bhoot. Now you are alright, much better, yesterday you ?? I have been to Glasgow, I must say its a horrible place. ?? ??? They launched the ship, They (drink?) so much they really frightened me, after launching the ship, if somebody dies you must drink...can you imagine? Yogi: They are very nice people Mother, very warm people. Shri Mataji: They are very warm, but do you know what goes wrong with them is the way they express everything in drink. You see you are so muddled up you don't know what to do with them when we went there they were drunk you know and then they starting putting hands around me from somewhere, and I told my husband I am not going to do this, I said they are mad they don't know what they are about. So this is what happened, but after, somebody's dead you see, how can you drink Yogi: Muffled Shri Mataji: Anything, anybody dies, they will drink and it something shocking towards me. Indians understand this much, wisdom they have got, now the other day somebody rang, a very nice person, my husband very, ?? and he said the gentleman went overnight. After death aarrangements, they are all problematical? Nobody was crying, he was crying and he was looking very miserable and you felt terrible about it. The others were only busy organising the lunch after the burial and he said that I am not going to have it, I am not well. And the dead body was lying in the other room, and here they were toasting and taking drinks in their hands, ??? and I don't know how many drinks they ?? no one respects the dead, no one does the dead any ? If you drink one drink means at least 5 of the dead comes in because you go to the left hand side into the subconscious And if you take say five or six drinks? I can say I can see at least 5 or 6 bhoots inside you. Yogi: When people die then what happens to them, sometimes it seems the dead come into you, do they remain on the earth? Shri Mataji: The dead don't die, nobody dies, part of it dies the rest of it remains. But there are so many dissatisfied souls you see somebody dies supposing on his way to (drink or pub?), so he is born again, so he wants to be born again to go to the pub, but he will come back as a child, he won't be able to drink, he has not finished his pub ?? He went there so he will just go into a person who is just sitting round there is having his pub and ? There's a lady I met who was drinking one bottle of whiskey just like that, she was from Cuba, one whiskey bottle completely neat you see and her husband, she was a dainty darling, very short and her husband said I can't understand where does it go, so I took a bandhan to her and I saw this fellow, all this big fellow, 6ft horrible, So I asked her do you know there is somebody who drinks. She said I know ??? Yogi: So this would be what's wrong with alcoholics Shri Mataji: Yes of course. Yogi: If people Shri Mataji: Is possessed you see, alcoholism is a possession ? All these are possessed they don't know what they are doing, even these so called, what do you call them, gay people are all possessed, you see where a woman enters into a man and he becomes a gay person. Yes that is all it is, all these absurd things? There was a girl in India she was the wife of a very good man, and she would always dress up like a boy and she would write to me like a boy, and she was only fond of girls in a very funny way. In India it is not understood but she was doing like that but then I bandhaned her and I found that there was a boy coming into her and ?? She thought she was a boy, she used to dress up like a boy you see behave like a boy you see. A 70 year old woman riding a horse, I mean just imagine, imagine this women should not do. That means she is possessed by some sort of a rider, a male jockey. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Variety they are, such a variety there, they could be anyone. Yogi: Mother when do these uneasy spirits come into us and take an interest, is there a time? Shri Mataji: ??? They are busybodies and all. You can have a shock, and accident or something ?? they can enter into you. Somebody dies in your family and you drink at that time you get it. Even going to church, you have churches, they are nothing but the church? All the dead bodies are under your feet they are all around ? (???) In childhood you might get it. We had one Russian. ...........Bogdan, .??? His mother had a grandmother who was fond of going to cemeteries with a little baby in a pram, imagine, and he was always going with her for years together once a year he had so many bhoots in him that you can't imagine, you must really read these letters to understand all these things happening. Yogi: but he doesn't invite these people in Shri Mataji: Huh? Yogi: He doesn't invite these people in Shri Mataji:Who Yogi: We didn't invite them in Shri Mataji: you did not invite Yogi: No, say the things we were doing we were doing to come nearer to God, the intention.. Shri Mataji: Yes That's true but, you see these...what I am saying that you taking their names, what are you calling them, what I am saying inviting them in (on this plain,, you don't write invitation cards )??, you are all connected, ?? you are all automatically now connected to me so it's all finished ? I know you did not invite them, something you did not want, now come in the house in my own house and you will be alright. ???? And they start making ??? They throw you about and all these things. Only difference between you and Indians is that Indians know that this is what it is ??? Yogi:............?? Is also keeping ignorance, keeping everyone ignorant of the fact that ....... Shri Mataji: You see how can they tell you, it is too much, you expect too much you see, say there is somebody he is a spy, is he going to tell you I am a spy? It is a thug you see he has done all these jobs is he going to tell you that I am a spy. He will try his level best to not only give you ??? But absolute secrecy ?? And there is a sort of a law that if you divulge the secrecy you will be in jail. Yogi: The other thing was that it wasn't M who was doing the teaching it was meditators, the people all the meditators were coming, teachers themselves. Shri Mataji: Yes Yogi: and none of them were probably realised themselves Shri Mataji: Yes Yogi: They were passing on names of Gods. Shri Mataji: Very true. That's the point. I must say that some of them never felt good,but they would say you have to be very good just to prove that they are very high up in the world government. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yogi: They must have done absolutely............... Shri Mataji: (You must have done?), you see because just to prove your worth you did that. Yogi: I mean it was too obvious by watching the TV how hard they were, I mean you just had to see that program Mother. Shri Mataji: I was not there, yes I didn't see. Yogi: You could just see how they had no heart at all, 90% of their initiators are just like this. Shri Mataji: and if they had (it's true ???) all of them had...... Yogi: Yes yes, it's what they are going to do this time. Shri Mataji: Go, he will have to hang himself and hang the rest of them you will watch. Yogi: You see, .............will he then return? Shri Mataji: How??????? You see how you people come out of that, if he's killed also say, also he will subvert into the subconscious you see, he can be even worse, better be there, ?? Then you get out. Yogi: All of those people are practising TM just now are all being helped, Shri Mataji: They all are going to be realised, you know they are going to trigger it There is going to be a chain reaction you see. Yogi: So far all people have been contacted they have been so ready to stop the programs, stopped just like that. Shri Mataji: Yes you should be, immediately You must be Yogi: Mother in two weeks time Shri Mataji: You make a list of all the events and you make me ? I would love to.....? I will run up and down. ?? That's the best, I will come to Scotland, we have decided to go to Scotland at end of July. They are all coming down there from Scotland. Yogi: And they say (???) The bhoots are really heavy up there...up in Scotland since last night they are ready to start coming down and.... Shri Mataji: Alright I will send something new this week. They can run away from...........?? Alright? Then we need to drive them away. They are such cowards. Yogi: Very bad up there Shri Mataji:ah Yogi: Very very bad Shri Mataji: You should show only your teeth and they will run away (laughter) they are cowards. Shri Mataji: Is he alright? Yogi: His Agnya Shri Mataji: This Agnya you will have because you can't forgive this horrible fellow, but you leave it to me, don't carry your Agnya. You will feel it more later on the way you have been cheated the amount of money he has taken away from you, (it leaves a terrible feeling in you on your Vishuddhi?) Better now? (Muffled talking) How are you? So you see I can go whenever I feel like and er, that's what they have said, but still what should we do? Yogi: Mother are you going to go to Leeds tomorrow? Shri Mataji: So I should go back home and people have to come tomorrow to the program ?? and there are lots of people in Leeds also. Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: Alright so Yogi: What we thought was maybe if we got quite a lot of the TM people who would listen not people who might argue for this first time and then possibly later in two or three weeks if it's possible we would hire a hall ?? For the last night., and then get all those people to give as many people as we could. Shri Mataji: you see I should come there first of all because you know what happens in the hall and all ??? The down payment you see ?? And we have a mixed group always like we have some people who are come for the first time, ?? what's happened is, and they think that it is Sahaja yoga that is going on ??? It's a good idea,first of all we should be improving those there, but if you can get some land like with a garden or something Yogi: we have a very big garden Shri Mataji: That's all, with a garden I'll manage them Yogi: We are bringing some people up from quite a large area so that it covers not just one little area but from all over, so we can tell everybody. Shri Mataji: You must talk to these meditators, talk to them immediately. ......this hall.......talk immediately, you see in England we are going to work it out, then we are going to attack Americans you see Yogini: President Carter is very against TM Shri Mataji: But he is for something that is far worse, because he is supposed to be a baptist or something like this you see. I don't know ?? he has blessed himself ??, he thinks he is twice born, he says I am twice born, what should I tell him? Yogi: Tell him you are not! Shri Mataji: What? He's not realised either you see. The next part is inaudible, but continues later One is the incarnation of the Mother, she can be the wife, she can be a wife, or a mother of a guru, or a daughter of a guru like Mohammed Sahib, Fatima was the Adi Shakti you see. . You see then she could be awife of any incarnation like Ramas wife Sita ?, Rhada all these names are the same and then she could be Saraswati, Kumari, the virgin, say Gauri all these can be incarnations There another thing which we call as the Vishnu incarnation you see, he can incarnate as ?? Now the fourth one is a child because the child was created, imagine, as Shri Ganesha and then other forms of Brahma Chaitanya (charya) (?) and all these incarnations were created just to make all (?) these incarnations are part and parcel of Christ, and when he is going to come he is going to bring all these eleven destroying forces at the end of this creation when all of ??? Why are you crying, forget the past, forget the past. Left left, another time maybe, don't cry, don't cry Just put your will power a little bit, you will manage. Just don't cry??? Better? And moreover you are a nurse isn't it? That's how you indulge the horrible people, Involved all your woes ?? How they are miserable ?? Yogi: ?? Cigarettes and beer. Shri Mataji:Now who else, come here who I have not got, come along. You wash my feet you will be alright. Come along. Shri Mataji: Horrible Yogi: How do you feel Shri Mataji: Yes you are very much Yogi: Why does she have hot hands Shri Mataji: Because there's an opposition see still inside which is still ?? In any case one thing you have not seen ??? Before. See it's a very big thing, I don't need hot water to make her hands hot, better? See her hands are getting cold and your hands are ? Alright? What about you. Yogi: This one is cool, this one is warm Shri Mataji: The heart you have surrendered but not with your mind, let your mind be surrendered. ???? Put your left hand on your heart, this side. We call this side as Heart because you have a chakra there, rub it rub it hard because ESP and all these things are nothing but possessions. All these are possessions, and parapsychology imagine this, foolish impressions are being parapsychology , see so what's going to happen to them, ...............??? Ha ha ha ha ha They don't need it. Mmm better? Raise your Kundalini you will feel much better, you all raise your Kundalinis come along, raise your hands, help others, you are all awakened people, just try mmmmm, right, right. Better? Hah everybody feeling better, now see it's cooler? Kundalini has started moving with your fingers, you know you are better than the Indian Maharaj, do you know he only gave realisation to one person, ?? in 25 years he must have started when he was 75 perhaps, or maybe 80 years of age and he finished in 25 years later, and now he is saying I will never give to anyone again. This is the situation. How fast you have become see your instrument is so correct it starts working, see, alright? Still left hand you put it down, yes put it down, raise his right raise his right to the left. You see these supraconscious bhoots can be very subtle. I'll give you the example of .... Better? Is example of David, David should tell about, it's very difficult to make them out this supraconscious bhoot came into him and even told about me and that he should come to me, that's sucking in Yogi: I think so Shri Mataji: Yes. That's a confidence trick see, and then they start going against Sahaja yoga, it's a confidence trick....? They are very cunning you know just like foxes very cunning you have that English story of a fox had to perform on the grandmother what? Yogi: Little red riding hood, Shri Mataji: Little Red Riding Hood, you see that is it? It was told a long time back you see, most of your you see nursery rhymes are from the unconscious. London Bridge is falling down you see, all these things are there, oranges and lemons, you see these are all the things that were told to you a long time back, even this one Red Riding Hood, it was also a story told to you a long time back. That there would be somebody coming. All your nursery rhymes are great ??, and Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall you see, that's what is a Humpty Dumpty is an egotistical fellow and English ?? He sat on a wall with a big head and had a great fall and all the Kings men and all the Kings horses could not, horses again, ?? horses is the sign of the collectivity, could not put together Humpty Dumpty again. You know this is a mantra sometimes. Yogi: ? Shri Mataji: ha ha ha ha ha ha Better. Yogi:? Shri Mataji: Heart Mother says mantras to clear a chakra in a seeker. Ah there, that means you must pay attention to your spirit. Your attention should be on your spirit, that's how you cure your heart, pay your attention to your heart, with your attention you are going to cure yourself, see all of you put your attention to your heart huh? Yogi: ? Shri Mataji: On to the liver Your liver is your attention itself Better? Rub it rub it hard, rub it hard, it looks soft but it can bear a lot of ??? You can bear to take some, rub it hard, hah better now? Feeling the liver?

6/16/1979

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"This is not the work of mediocres", Public programme, Dr. Johnson house, Birmingham (UK), 16 June 1979. I am really sorry we got here, reached here, on a train that was late. Things have to be done according to the timings of the Divine, you cannot plan out your own things. And that's how sometimes one has to be later and sometimes one has to be earlier. But one thing is definite: the time has come for the final happening of your being. This being has been passing through various phases of life. You know that, that you have been a small little amoeba and then a fish, a reptile, and that's how the evolution went on till you are today, here, sitting as a human being. All this has happened to you without your knowledge, without your deliberations. And you have taken for granted that you are a human being and all the rights as a human being are your own. In the same way you have a right to be something more than what you are, because even today you do not know what is your purpose, why all this effort was put in to create you? What is the meaning of this life? Is it pointless? Just you were created for nothing at all, for thousands of years? In such a manner that so many things were discarded, so many shapes were discarded, so many forms were discarded, and then gradually, one by one, they started disappearing from this Earth. Ultimately we find there are so many human beings now on this Earth that it is not easy to explain how, in this short time, you were created and so many were created. Whether you believe it or not, but there is a Source, there is a Controlling Power, which does that. The human beings themselves have been talking about God, have been writing about God - themselves. Of course, they were hedged by incarnations who led them do this kind of a decision, no doubt. But still, animals do not think of God, they cannot think of anything abstract. So there is an awakening within every human being that we are not complete and there is something of the beyond. Now, if I say that, just now, “[What] we know about this Universe through our senses is just a dream,” it’s a fact. Is just a dream. You are not going to believe me that this is all a dream when you can see it very clearly. But don’t we see everything in the dreams clearly? In the dream are we not related to all the things that they create, in the same manner as it exists today? So when I say that you have to be awakened out of this dream and jump into that awareness, which is complete awakening, you might say that, “Is it going to be from one dream to another dream and from this dream to another dream?” How is it am I going to prove that even that awakening which is beyond you? You start feeling the vibrations as you must have heard about it. Then how are you to believe that even those vibrations that you feel and the Supreme Power you feel, the All-pervading Collective Consciousness you feel within yourself, is also [not] another dream and you have to be awakened beyond that? I would like anyone of the Sahaj Yogis to answer this question if possible. Can you tell me that? You see, ours is a, you see, a type of a proof. I would like to know if any Sahaj Yogis can say definitely that the dream, that you have come out of it now, because you are feeling the vibrations, and you are feeling the Collective Consciousness within you, yourself, is also not another dream. I want you to think about it. Can anyone give an explanation? Can anyone think of an explanation that [proves that] even that All-pervading Power you are feeling is not a dream? Sahaj Yogi: The dream doesn't change. Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon. Sahaj Yogi: The dream doesn't change. Shri Mataji: But how can you say? [If] you are still in a dream, then how will you say whether it will change or not? How can you say definitely that it is not going to change? You see, because I find lots of intellectuals sitting here so I want to give you a little bit. Why should you believe me also? You should be open about it and you should find out [if] I am taking you from dreams to dream and again to another dream. Bala let’s have you, you’re a very clever boy! I mean, we have intellectuals. Today only I told Gavin, that I’ll ask you a question. How do you say that these vibrations that are there, you are not dreaming about them? Maria Laventz : If they are there how can we dream about them? Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Maria Laventz: If they are there how can we dream about them? Shri Mataji: You see, but may be that, in this case they are there because you are in another dream state, the third one! Maria Laventz: This is my personal opinion that this dream for me, it is one that has come true. Shri Mataji: True, but what do you say that for the next dream, what about the next dream? Maybe something else would be there. Sahaj Yogi: We can test that by vibrations. Shri Mataji: But even vibrations could be dream! You see, you just think about it. Why am I saying [is so] that you don't just accept me as I am saying it, keep your mind on the alert. Sahaj Yogi: We don't think. Shri Mataji: You don't think about it. Why not? You can also think about it and this is the point. The point is not that you don't think about it, but, that in the dream whatever you have, now you have come to the state of consciousness where you are just conscious. Then whatever you have in this conscious stage cannot be used in your dream; you cannot relate it to your dream. But when you get realised then you can use that finding - in Sanskrit it’s called as upalabdi (उपलब्धि : observation) - to solve the problems of this dream. You see? That is why that is not a dream. Whatever creates the dream is ignorance. You can face it by the findings of Sahaj Yog. Every minute you can face it as people here. So, it should not be a criteria that I do not take any money from you, so you just believe me. No! You should not believe on this point. But the thing is, if your dream, that is today's conscious mind, where we are in the centre in the conscious mind, when this conscious mind receives super-consciousness, then that consciousness can be used to solve the problems of this dream. And this is why we have to know that, whatever you achieve through Sahaj Yoga, breaks all the dreams. Later on you can even use it for the dream itself, because you will start absolute state and you have that absolute awareness which we call as chaitanya lahari - is the vibrations - by which you can judge everything: the dream that was there, sushupti (सुषुप्ति – deep sleep) as they call it – and this conscious time, and also the future that is God, and His ways. All these things can be felt through these vibrations. The obstructions which come your way not to feel, we call them as baddha (बद्ध - obstruction). Obstructions are called as ‘baddha’: means 'by which we cannot feel them fully'. Maybe the instrument is not alright, maybe there is something wrong. But the feelings that you get of these vibrations are not clear-cut in your mind and there is a vikalpa. ‘Vikalpa’ means a 'doubt'. The doubt is there because your feelings are not correct yet. There is a vicious circle on this point. Even when you do get your vibrations, then the doubt are there, because your feelings are not yet all right. So when you feel the vibrations perfectly well you can be doubtless. It’s a vicious circle. Because of the doubts you do not feel the vibrations, and because there are no vibrations, you are in doubts. This is the point, even after Realisation [that] one has to know beforehand, because we have had experiences that people came to my programme, they got Realisation and then went off, they would never come back. The reason for that is, this time is very important and that is the time when your capacity to achieve it, is tested. Realisation people get it, vibrations they do get, but your capacity to be steady into that state is only possible if you, yourself, you are determined to get it. Otherwise you are again thrown into the same dream. Like if you are getting drowned and somebody tries to save you, brings you on the boat, but still you are not sure whether you are in the boat or sinking in, and slip down back again. Again he puts you back. Again, you slip down. And the thing goes on. But if you could stick on to the boat with a little determination it helps much more. Because that is how you are going to know your meaning of life. Because of this little problem I have seen, in Sahaj Yoga, we get people who are excellent people. This is not the work of ordinary people, of mediocres. There is a saying in Marathi language (of Saint Tukaram), “Yerya gabalyatze kaama no he” “It's not for the lousy to come into this.” So this is a point where you have to achieve that, and that point is very important. Why I have today started with it [is] because I have seen many a times [that] all the efforts sometimes are lost just like that. Now it is there within you, all these chakras that are shown here. Would you like me to tell you the names of these chakras here? Now this chakra is the first chakra of the centre within us, which is in the subtle form we do not know about, but we know about it in the gross form, again in the dreamland, you can say. The gross form is called as the pelvic plexus, but it is manifested by this subtle chakra known as Mooladhara. This is a very, very important chakra within us, because that is how we started having life. We can say carbon was introduced in life, within us. Without carbon you cannot form life. And so this is the chakra where, this is the state where we really became living beings: the life pulsated in us, and that is how it is demarcated. It also represents all the matter that we have been, because carbon stands in the centre of the periodic table, as you understand it. And that is the highest evolved element because, when carbon was introduced then only we started pulsating as living beings. But it has nothing to do with Kundalini. So all the living things are at this level now, but while you have a higher position, all [of] you, built in you, though they also have the capacity to have all these. So the human history starts straight from here, is the base, that's why it is called as ‘Mooladhara’ chakra - [meaning] the base of the root, the base of the root. Now which is the root is this one (the Kundalini). This one is the germinating force within you by which you evolve to a higher state. And this is placed within your triangular bone which you can see with your naked eyes, you may be able to see the Kundalini there. It exists. But if you tell a doctor he won't believe you. I was myself a student of medicine and I would say “Now, how to talk to these people? It’s better to learn their language so that you can talk to them.” It exists there and many of the people who are here have seen this pulsating in them. This one. And this Kundalini is the force, which is kept there, residual force, which is kept there for your rebirth, as they call it. The Brahmin is called as a dweejaha means the one who is born again, reborn. As Christ himself has said, that you have to be twice born. Like an egg of a hen, we are born, living in this dream and in the cocoon of your own being. When you are ready, the Mother can pierce onto the head of the cocoon and can bring you out. Though the transformation has been done by you, within yourself, without feeling it, through the Divine Force. And I feel today is the time [when] you are just ripe for hatching, as they say. The blossom time has come. The time of transformation has come. And thousands have to be transformed. You have to know the meaning of your life because you were created for a purpose - from amoeba to this stage you were brought - and now the One who has created you, the One who has given you all the beauties and the bounties of this Universe, wants you to know Him and enjoy all the bounties, like the Father bestowing properties, all His enjoyments on this Earth, out of His love. It’s the manifestation of His love that has brought us to this state, and His love only is going to give you that status by which you are going to be enthroned into the Kingdom of God. Instead, I know people have been harmed much more. It’s very, very simple proposition, which is difficult for human beings to understand, that this was desired as a father desires for his son. Even when he is not yet a father, he thinks of a son: how he is going to bring him up and how he is going to bestow all his love and all he is earnings on that child. In the same manner, the Great Father has planned the whole thing in such a beautiful manner and He is going to look after His own Creation. No one can destroy it. He’s Almighty. Only thing is that you may destroy yourself, because He has made you free. He has given you freedom. He has treated you as a friend. Because if you have to be enthroned, you have to be a free person and you must know how to enjoy the glory of freedom. In that freedom if you have chosen something wrong then you cannot blame God for that. But even if it is just a mistake then He will work it out with a thousand fold of His grace and mercies to see you, that you are saved. He’s going to use all His powers to see that you receive that beauty that is promised. That is what is Sahaj Yoga. 'Sahaj' means 'spontaneous'. Perhaps we do not understand the full meaning of ‘spontaneous’, because ‘spontaneous’ itself is an abstract word to understand. It’s just His spontaneous power that works it out. He is spontaneity itself, and His powers are spontaneous, His love is spontaneous. You can see in every way how nature spontaneously does thousands of things which we cannot answer, neither can we understand it, nor can we appreciate it. Like a little flower becoming a fruit. We just take it for granted. If there are flowers, all right, take it, they are there. If there are fruits, we eat them. In the same way we have taken for granted everything and we have taken for granted Sahaj Yoga also. It's going to work out, it’s going to be within you, and all of you are going to get it. In this centre, the second centre, which you see, is this centre first, because this is the centre, which is called as the Manipur centre; which controls our navel organs or, we can call them, as the solar plexus. There is the solar plexus which controls all the organs in the stomach, all the viscera. And this centre [Swadishthan] actually comes out of this centre. It’s an additional centre of this, which revolves around this area and looks after organs that are inside the stomach. As God has made you in His own image, you can see that this is the place where God has created this Universe: where the stars and all the galaxies are created. And then the Earth is created down here, and we have a sun and a moon. But in our being itself also, we have got all these centres placed within us. This is the star of Jupiter you can say. All of them have also stars which are like push buttons. All these big stars, are ‘push buttons’ in the viscera or in the stomach, abdomen, of God Almighty. In the same way, we too have got this centre which is very important. If you can see here that it is surrounded by this water element, and this centre is meant for your seeking. So, first the life started existing in this water and the seeking started. The seeking started because we have [an] in-born, built-in, sense of seeking. Amoeba seeks the food. Animals seek also food, and also the things like protection. It learns how to protect itself. But the human being seeks the meaning of his being. This seeking beyond is our subject today. This side is, this blue line (Ida Nadi) that is shown within you, is the line of your existence, which manifests your left side sympathetic nervous system. And the line, other line, that is showing here, is the line of your creativity (Pingala Nadi), of your physical being, which is represented by, or manifested by your right side sympathetic nervous system. In the centre [channel] is the seeking. And you see that there is a void, there is a void in between. You do not know how to approach from here. Human beings have this centre as very important, because after a point of protection animals rise, they learned methods how to protect themselves. But this is a point (Vishuddhi), which is very important, where human beings have raised their heads up. This centre is a very, very vital centre because that is the point where human beings have accepted their responsibilities. They have accepted the situation that they are something: this I-ness started with this centre. Because at this centre - as it is shown in the figure it is slightly wrong because that is connected on both the sides - at this centre, when the human beings start using these two powers within them, of one of existence and another of creativity - or we can say the emotional, mental and physical powers - they release, from their being, fumes of tensions. And these two fumes as we have shown there, go into the brain and form on this side the superego and that side as the ego. Now how superego is formed and how ego is formed and what it is, I’ll tell you in short. As in a factory, when there is activity, you see the fumes coming out, in the same way, when we have our emotional activity or our physical, mental activity, the fumes, which represent all the activities of that shadow, are accumulated in these two balloon-like structures. These two balloon-like structures, when they meet, then a human being is separated from the mains. Animals are not separated. Only human beings are separated. They have [been] given that freedom. When they are born, in the fontanel area as you can see in childhood, is very, very soft. And you can see the pulsation through which the power flows into the limbic area. But when a child grows and his two activities grow just like that, there's calcification of that bone and you find that the head here becomes hard. That's why sometimes people say “hard nuts.” This hard nut is the place where this Kundalini has to pierce. She has to rise from her seat, go upward and pierce that fontanel area. Which we all know is called as baptism. This was the baptism that John the Baptist said, not that you get baptists from some theological college or from some training or some sort of a clownish looking people. They cannot do it. They may dress up like clowns and say, “All right I baptise you.” It's absurd! What is their authority to do such things? And that's how when, in the modern times you feel, if you ask people, “Do you believe in God?” “No!” “Why?” “Because our clergyman is like that.” But the church should not assume that they are representing God. In the same manner, in every religion, the so-called Hinduism, which you think is something very great and people have exploited you, is even filthier and much worse than Christianity could be any time. This sort of exploitation is one of the greatest hurdles in your getting the Realisation. Many times the seekers - the innocent seekers who are seeking - they don't find it in church, so they go to an Indian temple where they may purchase some ganja and end up in some swimming pool or something like that. That is one of the greatest hurdles, I say, today, that the way the innocence of the seekers is being exploited by people who think that they can make money. They are not worried about their own seeking [so] how can they respect your seeking? Or [they get] some sort of a fraudulent or you can say sadistic happiness out of it. This centre, the whole of this centre, which is supported by your sustenance, is disturbed by this. Here a human sustenance is retained and created and looked after. And there are great incarnations who come on Earth to teach us that this is the sustenance you should adhere to. But there are also horrible, wicked, evil geniuses who come on this Earth. They come in this area and they disturb your sustenance. That is, as I said, the greatest problem that is facing me. Actually, it would be something like a beautiful garden I come to, and I find beautiful flowers around and I’m just coming and here I find the flowers mutilated for the selfish ends of the absolutely depraved and low type of human beings. They should have horns actually and tails; that is how depraved they are. Even animals with horns are thousand times better. They want to retard your progress. And that is how we find today the situation is, at the blossom time, that all the flowers have been destroyed. Otherwise they were to be fruits, very easily. It was to happen with all of them. With great care and concern, to form that peach, but now they have come up to this level and here we find them suddenly destroyed by the nonsensical horrible people who actually are of no virtue. You cannot understand the anguish. Now it is for the flowers to understand this. I was happy to learn that people have started calling themselves ‘flower people’. It was a good idea. But they started another style of self-destruction out of frustration. Others are destroyed as well, as you are also destroying yourself. The other side of it is also very, very tragic. I met one of the Sahaj Yogis here who had broken his back because he did parachuting. So I said, “Why did you do this?” “What was the need to do parachuting, of all the things?” Because I know his value, I know his substance, I know he has the feeling. I said, “You should not have gone for parachuting. You are not the type, from planes." He said, “Out of sheer frustration I thought better break my neck! Still I came out of it. Then I thought I must be worth something more, the way I did it. I did it very well. But still it is there that there must be more value out of life.” But some of you have overdone everything. Why? Because you have not been able to evaluate yourself, and to find out about yourself, to know about yourself and what is the material you are. When you are the hope of the whole Creation, how is it that you did not [take] heed to your own being? And this is the second hurdle that I have to face, you have to face and all those who believe that they should get Realisation have to face. This is how I am describing the void here because I have to do in a very short time and you know the subject matter is very great. I would suggest that let us have The light first. Let us get the Enlightenment first. Then it would be easier to talk about it. Without light, what am I going to describe to you? And why should you believe me? So better have your light. Better feel it, manoeuvre it, understand it and then use it. First time when the Kundalini touches the brahmarandhra or when it opens out at this point, then you start feeling these cool vibrations. So actually, that has happened? Let us see, in medical terminology. The central path, which is the sushumna, represents the parasympathetic nervous system. I do not want to bore you with the medical terms because I have been bored myself quite a lot! The central path of this sushumna is manifesting the parasympathetic and if you go and ask doctors, they'll say, “Oh, we don't know much about it. Don't ask.” This is the point; this is the line by which we manifest our present: now, today, just now. Today is also true, but [actually] this moment. We cannot stay on this moment, either we go to the past or to the future, but we cannot stay here. If we could stay here, then we could see these two things clearly. But we are all the time jumping and we cannot see because the past is finished and the future doesn't exist. So we don't see anything. The sum total is, that we don't see anything. We can only see something or feel something if we could steady ourselves on this parasympathetic, which we cannot; medically, they say that we cannot tap the energy of parasympathetic. Now this is what we have achieved up to this point as human beings. This is our achievement, which is felt in our physical being, in our emotional being and in our mental being. But also, there is another being which is our Spiritual being which we can aspire for, but we cannot feel it. And that Spiritual being resides in the heart as Spirit. That Spirit sees you, It knows everything about you, but you cannot get to it. Your own attention does not reach that, that’s why you cannot feel it. For example, you see this pillar; so the pillar is not you, you see these flowers [so] flowers are not you, you see this hand, so this hand is not you, because you see it. So there are two things going on all the time. Then you see you have a brain, that means you are not your brain. Then you see that you think then you are not your thoughts. Then the One that sees everything is the One that resides in the heart. This is the reflection of God Almighty, Who resides on your head, on your heart. Now immediately, if you start jumping as a jumping jack, that, “How do you talk of God?” I am just talking of it, I am not saying that, “Here is the key.” Later on we'll find out really [if] all what I talk is true or not. But for the time being it's just a hypothesis and you just listen to this as a hypothesis. So the reflection of God within us is the Spirit, and when the Kundalini rises, She touches the feet of the God Almighty - this is symbolically I am saying - [then] immediately, you become enlightened by the Spirit, the Atma, and it starts pulsating in you, in your heart there is pulsation. But you cannot feel that pulsation in your body usually. When that happens you start feeling that pulsation moving when the Spirit pulsates. And when He is the One who is part and parcel of the whole, you get connected to the whole, you start feeling the whole and that's how you actualise it. You actually get it within yourself, the manifestation of collective consciousness. It's very much higher than that of animal consciousness. Though many human beings aspire to be animals, surprisingly! Like, if an animal has to pass through the filth, he doesn’t feel it, but human beings can. They do not feel the colour, I mean, they do not enjoy the colours. They cannot enjoy a good painting. For an animal, if you show him a painting, he won’t understand what it the beauty [of it]. He doesn't know what is the beauty. So, in the same way when you become your being, your consciousness becomes collectively manifesting. That means you become one with the whole. Say you are a cell somewhere here in the image of God, then this cell becomes connected with the whole. You can feel the connection, that’s how the wholesomeness is established within you. How it happens is that you start feeling the vibrations flowing from your hands, and all these chakras which are enlightened, get enlightened here and activated. All these colours will tell you which chakras are related to which finger here. With this sketch here, you can make out all of them. Now when these are activated, you start feeling others on these activated hands. You can start feeling their centres. You can start feeling your own centres. This is what is Self-realisation, that you can feel your own centres. All other nonsense has no meaning. People talk of Self-realisation and end up by going to some sort of a cemetery. They try to show that from the dead they are going to get you something that is above living! This is the only way that you get your Realisation. If you say a seed sprouts through its plumule, that's a fact. But if somebody says that you can sprout a seed through the trunk, can you do it? Or through the cotyledon, as you call it? In the cotyledon you can have the germinating power, which is not. It’s all properly placed and built-in within us. And this is the instrument, which is there within us, and only through this instrument you are going to get your Realisation. There’s no other way out. And this one is such a beautiful one because, here is your Mother, is your individual Mother. She is waiting for this day. She is the one who guided you. She is the one who took you to spirituality, She is the one, She knows that there is something above, and She is just waiting for a chance to rise and give you that Realisation. Now, in this also, there are thugs, as I call them. I have no other word to describe them. They have made a mess of his Kundalini of yours. If you read some Kundalini book you would not come to my programme. They think she’s the most ferocious lady ever born. All sorts of perverted things they have said about this Mother of yours; while She is the most loving thing that you can ever have. She is the one who is going to bestow His bliss on you while the horrible ones have tried to malign Her, to shame Her, insult Her and have tried to do such things that it’s insulting, absolutely a poison. Every time I have to tell you about these ghastly people which I don’t want to talk about, because it’s so ugly to talk of these horrible snakes. But they are there in the garden and I have to talk. I have to warn you all the time and you have to be very, very careful about them. Now, I think this is such a big subject that I don’t know how will I be able to give the complete idea about it. But so far, I think I have explained to you that you have a purpose in life, and there are milestones of your evolution placed within you as centres, subtle centres, which you can see with your eyes pulsating and can feel through the stethoscope. And here is ego and superego within you which has given you the freedom, an independent personality and you can act as independent people. And with this personality, only, you achieve that higher state. And when you achieve that, the manifestation of that Divine Force, through you, starts flowing. At the end of the day, I would say that you become a hollow personality; that you become the real instrument of God, that the power starts flowing through you and you see it flowing and working and you can manoeuvre it. Of course, again talking about the snakes: they give you no powers whatsoever, and take away all the powers you have. But the whole Creation has been created, and you have been manifested as human beings to achieve your own powers. So there’s a sweet story about Radha and Krishna: once they say Radha was jealous of Shri Krishna’s flute. So She went to Krishna and She said, “What is this? All the time you are putting her [flute] to your lips, I don’t like it.” He said, “Why? Are you jealous?” She said, “I am very jealous of her. What is her speciality? What is so special about her?” He said, “Why don’t you go and ask her?” He said, “It’s better that you go and ask her.” So She went and asked that, “What is your speciality that He’s all the time keeping you near His heart? And all the time He’s using you?” She laughed aloud and she said, “Do you know what is my speciality? My speciality is that I have no speciality. I have become a hollow person. I am absolutely hollow and He plays and the world enjoys and I see the thing flowing through me, and I just watch all that. And people say that it is the murli, it is the flute, that is playing. I just find I am just a hollow personality.” So Radha went to Krishna and She said, “All right, next time you make a hollow personality out of me!” This is what it is! And whatever is promised has to be done, is to be done. God never makes promises which He doesn’t keep. May God bless you all. I hope you all will get Realisation and you will steady it. That’s very important, because as I have told you, it’s not meant for lousy people. Thank you very much. I am so happy to see so many people here who are seekers, who are deep people, who have been seeking all their lives and they have to realise that this is the only way it has to be done. As I said, I don’t know how people charge money for it: it’s something ridiculous and it’s very, very low, I mean, if you talk about it. You cannot charge money for your love. I work in India and they told me, “Mother, can you give us a list of people whom you have cured?” I said, “It’s very embarrassing. Don’t ask me such questions!” They said, “But you must give us the list of people whom you have cured!” I said, “I have never made a list.” So he said, “Oh really? Why not?” I said,“Do you make a list of people whom you feed? Whom you love? Whom you give them mercy, to your own children? Do you make a list of all that? How many times you have done washes to your children? Or you enjoy it so much [that] where is the time for all these nonsensical things?” Has to be! It’s very embarrassing I think. It is that beautiful way of giving. May God bless you again and again. And let’s see now what happens. How far you get it. I would say we will ask some questions, and if you can ask some questions. But you should not be very sensitive about it. Because people ask me very, very direct questions and when I give them an answer they feel hurt. And I don’t want to hurt you for anything because you are already very much hurt. I do not want to hurt you. But it happens, and it happens like that, that you ask funny questions and when I tell you the answer, sometimes you feel hurt. So just ask me questions. Seeker: When I go into relaxation I get convulsions in the abdominal area. Shri Mataji: How can that be relaxation my child? Just tell me. How can that be if there are convulsions? It’s a sickness. It’s a possession. Have you seen possessed people? They get the same thing. When they are possessed they get the same thing. They feel relaxed because somebody else has taken their responsibility, but physically they can’t bear the pressure and they have contortions. It’s very easy to find out: you must be having lots of lunatic asylums here, you can go and see them, when they are possessed how they behave. Say, epilepsy is one of them. If you have seen in epilepsy how people get into a kind of a posture from where they cannot get out for hours together. It is possession. It’s not only that your stomach will be absolutely relaxed but you will relax the stomachs of others. Seeker: Will this take us to God realisation? Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Seeker: Will this take us to God realisation? This Self-realisation, will this take us to God? Shri Mataji: Of course, of course! You see there are some people [who] just arrive there very fast, but some people go through certain stages. The first stage of Realisation, when the Kundalini crosses over the Agnya Chakra, is called as Thoughtless Awareness. Only with this Thoughtless Awareness you can start curing people. You can cure people if your Kundalini has crossed the Agnya. That’s how you find many people can cure, but they don’t know how to do it, they don’t know how to manoeuvre it. And then we have the Kundalini rising above the fontanel, which we can call as the time, I call it, as Self-realisation. Because that’s the time you become another human being with collective consciousness. With that, you can start giving Realisation to others, correcting your own chakras, everybody’s chakras, and you can start feeling it. So many things will happen. I mean it’s endless. I cannot tell you how you realise the bliss of the Divine by that. It’s something so wonderful that you will be amazed. We have here one Sahaj Yogi. In the beginning, you know, I had only six of the for four years, for your information, in England. And I worked with six of them. And one of them in the beginning felt like, “Let’s see how this collective consciousness works!” So he said, “My father has not written any letter to me.” I said, “All right, you don’t write to him, you just think about him and feel his vibrations.” He started getting a heat here and burning here. He said, “Mother what does that mean?” I said, “All these centres are of you father. So you telephone to him and find out. He must be having bronchitis.” He had bronchitis. But when the fellow talked to him, his bronchitis got all right. It’s that fantastic. So from Thoughtless Awareness you jump into collective consciousness, collective awareness. This collective awareness gives you the powers of collective consciousness by which you cure others. Even sitting down here you can cure other people, you can awaken their Kundalini, even give them Realisation. But that person you talk to on the phone should be connected and that he should know that there is a movement by some deliberations of somebody who is, we call, a Sahaj Yogi. Then the third state is complete Self-realisation. That state comes, we call it as Nirvikalpa Samadhi, means where there is doubtless awareness, that you have no doubts anymore left about it. It’s not rational but it is a state in which you settle down. In that state you have no doubts anymore about it. Then the powers are dynamic, and you start working on so many dimensions that you are amazed how things work out. For example, I’ll tell you we have a lady here, I must say she is doubtlessly aware. She doesn’t feel anybody’s chakras or her chakras. All the time her vibrations are throughout. She wrote a letter to me saying that, “Mother there is a girl who has got cancer, she is about ten, eleven years of age and I don’t know how we can help her. She has come all the way from Hong Kong and they are saying that she has to die in about three months time.” I said, “All right.” “And she’s now going to America for further check up.” So she went to America and the American doctor said, “She has no cancer, nothing. Who told you she has cancer?” This is [just] one of the many times some dynamic things that will happen. At first you cannot believe it, it is so fantastic. So this is the state of doubtless awareness. First the thoughtless awareness, then the doubtless awareness. Now, the ‘awareness’ word, you see, is, in the dream we call it awareness only. Say, now, I say that normally what we are, in conscious mind, is a dream. So this is also awareness. And even after that is awareness. But in Sanskrit there are two words: one is ‘buddha’, another is ‘prabuddha’. If you put ‘pra’, means ‘enlightened’. So we should call it ‘enlightened awareness’. So it is thoughtless, enlightened awareness. And enlightened awareness is also termed as ‘samadhi’: so is ‘nirvichar samadhi’. And the second one is the doubtless, enlightened awareness: is the ‘nirvikalpa samadhi’, where there is no vikalpa. Now this also is the term one has to understand, very carefully, what is a ‘vikalpa’. But I think that I will do some other time. And this is what is the Self-realisation. When you have achieved that, then there is God’s realisation [which] starts, where you start controlling the nature, you start controlling all that you see and you become the master of all that, but you do everything for the hita (हित), means for the well-being of your own and of the whole. Your connection with the whole becomes absolutely clear cut when you become God-realised. Means your awareness becomes so clear and so much effective as if people would say that, “Look at this man! How does he do it? And how it happens?” That is the state also responsible. After all the whole Creation has been through Sahaja only - spontaneous. And in the same way this is also spontaneous. There are only two persons, though they were born to incarnations, who were Divine, and who became themselves incarnations. They were born as human beings but became themselves incarnations. But even that gap can be covered. Why not? Seeker: Mother you also say that there are many yogic people teaching the wrong things in the himalayas. Why does God allow this? Shri Mataji: He doesn’t allow. You allow. I have told you, you have the freedom to choose. First thing you should know: a man who takes money, how can that be near God? You remember, you have Christ before you. You know he took one whip and whipped these people in the church. A man like him who said, “Forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.” He whipped them. He whipped those people. That’s what they deserved, and you went to them and bowed to them. While you are all very intelligent people and why such intelligent people are being attracted to this kind of a nonsense and an absurd thing? While poor simple uneducated are better off. They know, “Oh we understand all that!” They are not stupid. You must understand [that] when you have money, all such thugs are going to come down here. I’ll take the other position now, let’s see: supposing somebody comes out of the jail, in India, he has no social position. He cannot live socially well. So he says, “All right, let me take another form,” or “let me have a drama.” He makes a camouflage out of it. He makes a person who is very saintly - oh, very poor - now he greets you there. Or he may even master some of the ??, makes no difference. Then he comes out. He says, “You see, I will show you the water will come out of the earth, just now.” Previously he night he must have arranged that there might be a pipeline going, and he must have put some sort of a clock there, and which he must have picked up and shown you that the water is coming out. And people will say, “Oh, this is a great miracle! He hit there and the water has started coming!” So the sensible person has to go from the back door and see how he lives. And see about the pipeline. You should be on the alert. This alertness, if you do not keep in spirituality....even after Realisation you have to be alert about your attention. First the alertness is about others, but after Realisation the alertness is about you, because within you there are thieves who have come inside you, so you have to watch that. But you people are so simple and so innocent. And I really don’t want to even blame your freedom for it, really, because they did a good job of it, no doubt about it. Seeker: May I ask one? If you get Realisation, one raises the Kundalini and gets Realisation. Do you have to repeat that or is once enough? Shri Mataji: Yah, yah. You have to. You see with some people it just goes [up] and goes down. One horrible guru we have in India. I don’t know what he’s done that you raise the Kundalini, you bring it up and it again sucks back. Again you bring it up and again it is sucked back. Oh, you don’t know how much one has to work hard. With some people it is not. But one has to work hard, morning till evening the whole night. Last night I think we slept about 2:30. Oh, it’s a terrible job, [but] it has to be done. But there is no guarantee about it. Now, you will understand one thing, very simple it is, because you are coming from a different experience relative to God, that here nothing is selling, nothing is guaranteed. It’s the whim that you get your Realisation. It’s God’s whim that He gives you Realisation. It’s in complete freedom that He sits there. You cannot overpower His freedom, because He’s not seeking elections. You are to elect Him. It’s the other way round towards Him, you see? So there is no guarantee of anything. Do you understand such a situation? Seeker: We desire it, we have to desire it, for God. And we go to a guru and perhaps our discernment, our rationalisation, our alertness, isn’t as acute as it should be. Shri Mataji: Yes. Seeker: How can these people, these men, continue and speak of God in such glowing terms, such heightened terms? Shri Mataji: They have no Kundalini, they have no Spirit. They have achieved there doom a long time back. You see, a person who is absolutely shameless, what can you do about such a person? They do not want their ascent. As the story is there were some monkeys playing, and one of the monkey’s tail was cut, so he wanted everybody’s tail to be cut. That is their attitude: they want everybody’s tail to be cut! Only thing that you can do is not to have anything to do with them. Seeker: How then do we know an authentic person who will take us to God? Shri Mataji: How do we know? Because if a person makes you authentic, that person is definitely authentic! You can see very clearly, you see, when they say, “We’ll give you these powers and this.” You cannot manoeuvre them! You cannot understand them, you do not even have the know-how. You see, how do I say you are an authentic engineer? Because you know engineering. All right? That’s how you are authentic. If you do not know how to do anything, how are you authentic? So the one who gives you the authenticity itself, is authentic. If he gives you the powers by which you know the know-hows and you yourself can bestow those powers to others, then you can say it is authentic, isn’t it. Oh, you all know all about it! I’ll tell you what happens. Now, I’ll tell you what it is that disturbs you. Why it has happened, I will tell you. You see, they are Greek so they have to be translated. Don’t get upset about it. What has happened, really, should I tell you? Now, the thing that has happened is that you developed your societies, you developed your countries and you became developed countries. You developed your brains also too much, and the whole thing was the Right Side movement as we call it: too much mental activities. You started analysing everything. You thought you can analyse everything, you can do everything. And you developed too much of ego. We can say about fifty years back the ego of say a British person, was so great that it was pushing all the superego on one side. But then the suppression became painful and hurting you. So the other people who followed them, they tried to push it back again. All right? They said, “No, this is too much of ego, we just can’t bear it, it’s colossal! They are a bit too egoistical.” So they started pushing their superego too much. Now when you start doing that, what happens [is] that the wobbling starts in your brain and you are not sure as to whether it was ego or superego, you could not understand. This was the first beginning. Then the war broke out, Hitler came in and he broke your families, he broke your values in something sublime and supreme. All these things happened. Then people like Freud and all that came in to give you another kind of thoughts which also destroyed you. Now you were in uncertain conditions, and uncertain thinking. You were basically in that position. So when something came from a foreign country, about which you had no knowledge, an ignorance, you thought, “Better not think about it because by thinking what have we done? By thinking we have invaded other countries. By thinking we have ruined our families. By thinking we have done. So better not think about it, let’s accept it. Whatever they say, let’s accept it.” And when they came out with great words like ‘peace of the world’ , ‘a domain of this and that’ you just were charmed by that. But naturally. Then I would say, that you are the right people for Sahaj Yoga, and you are the people. You are those supreme people who have been selected by these thugs, because now you know all the methods of the thug and you are not going to go more in that. This is for the immunity to be developed within you, that you had to go there. And there’s nothing to fear, because your Mother is quite capable. You are the ones crucified for others, because you could only do that. It was only your strength that could bear it out. It was nice that strong flowers were taken out. If they were just very weak flowers you would have been finished! So you had to play that role. Why worry about it? We are going to work it out so don’t worry about the past. You are the ??. Doesn’t matter. Moreover you will be surprised: unless and until human beings go through such experiences, they do not come to Sahaj Yoga also. Do you know, these boys wanted me to go to Brighton, I said, “Right! You go to Brighton, then I’ll join! Not now!” Because I have been to Brighton, I know what sort of a place it is. And I don’t know, but poor things, they accepted it, and went down to Brighton. And not a single soul came to the programme. But there’s another horrible one there, which they are all jumping, shouting. They are increasing in sizes so much that they have to take another place and another place, and it’s going on there so let them go through that. What am I to do? I cannot force you. You know, I started my work in 1970, actually, but with one person. In this England, for four years, I worked with six people, as I told you. So, it’s all right. Most of them, even, they come in a big group sometimes. Yesterday for example we went down to another place, and most of them who were there, most of them except two or three, they were sick with something so I was improving their throats and one lady was having epilepsy, another was having another trouble, and I was just improving them. So you are the ones which are described, what we call the real, valley entity. So what does it matter? Nothing has gone wrong with you. Not to feel very down. I’ll do it very carefully. You won’t be hurt at all. You are going to get the whole of it, and all the secrets, all the secrets. And you are going to master this art and you are going to change the whole world, don’t you worry. You will know your powers very soon, how dynamic you are. So don’t get upset about it, and don’t harbour about the past. Somebody has to build the road. It’s nice they chose such strong children of mine. I am very happy that they did not put their hands on the crippled ones. So there’s nothing to worry about. All right? May God bless you. What’s that? Are there any other questions? No? Shri Mataji: Yes my child? Seeker: Can you explain what we have been told about karma? Shri Mataji: Karma? All right. That, I must explain to you. This is another story. But where did they get it I don’t know, that “You have done your karmas, you must cleanse it.” Then why are they there? What are they doing? These are the sweepers, why don’t they sweep all the dirt? Why should we clean the dirt? You are paying them! They are paid for it! Who does the karmas? Do you know that? The ego does the karmas. Do the animals feel that they have done any karmas? They do not accumulate any filth. Why do we accumulate our karmas? Because our ego is there. Because you feel “I am doing it.” All right? But you don’t do anything actually, you know. I tell a story about some villagers going on an aeroplane, and they were told not to carry too much luggage, so they were very cautious. When they sat down, they took all their luggage and put it on their heads. People said, “Why?” They said, “You see we don’t want the aeroplane to carry too much luggage.” In the same way you are carrying your karmas! It is absurd! It’s only your ego that does the karmas. When your ego falls down, when you are opened out, you do not do any karmas, you know that you do not do it. It’s very nicely explained in the [Bhagavad] Geeta. Because these people have not told you anything about it. It’s so clear cut, that the karmas become akarmas when you get Realisation. Gyan, what is gyana is awareness. When the awareness is enlightened then you become prabuddha. That means your ego falls off on both the sides. Ego is no more there. The myth of doing karma is finished. And these people play on that myth by saying, “All right, you are carrying this luggage? Now you better carry even the aeroplane on your heads!” (Laughter) You better put all these aeroplanes on their heads. And their karmas, who is going to cleanse them? Have they thought of it? They are talking about your karmas, but what about their karmas? Karma is a myth, as long as you are in a myth. For example in a dream you are running fast to save yourself from the police. You are running fast, you cannot find a ladder, you find half of it and you jump onto this and jump onto that. When the dream is over, if I tell you, “Now, better you jump!” You will say, “Oh, the dream is over!” Instead of awakening you, if I say, “All right, run, run, run. Still the police is after you!” Then the police will catch hold of them, those police. It’s all mythical. It’s said very clearly that it becomes akarma. Like the sun giving you the rays: does it do any work? No it just emits, it just emits. Like people say, “Mother you must be very much working hard.” But no, you see, it just emits. I don’t do any work, nothing, it just emits. That’s my nature. It just flows. Some say, “Mother, how can we return it back.” Like we had one girl, she said, “Mother I know very good how to massage your feet.” I said, “All right, come along. Do it.” She started massaging my feet and her feet became relaxed and she felt relaxed and she felt like sleeping. So she said, “What’s this Mother?” I said, “This is what it is!” Because I don’t do anything. Absolutely a lazy person! Just sitting down. It just emits it just flows, it works. Like the sun’s rays come and change the whole world, the chlorophyll is created, but the sun doesn’t say, “I do it. I have done this.” This is exactly what happens to you when you get Realisation, the vibrations start flowing, then you say, “Mother it is not rising.” You never say, “I am not doing it.” “It is not coming, it is not working.” You talk in the third person. You never talk in your own way that, “I have not done it. I have not achieved it.” “I have given Realisation.” You never say that! You say, “He is not realised.” Now, [if] your own son is there, [if] he is not realised, “You say, you know, Mother, it’s not working. What to do?” So the karmas, whatever are done, are not felt, so where is the phala (फल: fruit) about it, what is the fruit about it? Nothing! I will have to give you another lecture on Geeta, I think, then you will understand that you do not do any karmas and there are no phalas about it. It is just a myth. And this is what Shri Krishna wanted you to realise, so He played His diplomacy. And I will tell you about His tricks, because I am the only one who knows. Then you will all know about His tricks: that you don’t do any karmas, so there is no phala about it. But when you are in the dream you cannot say this. When you are awakened then you just feel, you say, “No it’s not going. It’s not coming. It’s not working. It doesn’t work out. It’s not solved.” Today before coming here I went to see a cancer patient. Her own daughter was saying, “Mother no, it’s not flowing. Still it’s not coming up. It’s the left catching, the right catching. This side and that.” And the lady herself has touched Realisation. She was saying, “Yes, Mother, still my left is bad.” She herself was saying so. So they say, “That is left, that is right, that is front, that is another one.” Like the children say. If you take a child and say, “Now, will you go home?” So they say, “This boy will not go!” That means they are different from ‘this boy’: “This boy will not go.” They speak in [the] third person. In the same way you also speak in the third person. The whole thing becomes akarma. So the myth has to break, the dream has to dissolve. Seeker: Does that mean there is no reincarnation? Shri Mataji: How can you say that? “There is no karma, there is no reincarnation,” all these are their ideas, nonsense. They talk like that. Then why did Krishna Himself reincarnate so many times on this Earth? Did he have any karmas? He was Yogeshwara himself. You should ask them, “Why did He reincarnate? Did He not?” He came as a fish, then He came as this and that and that, and then He came as Rama, Parashurama, and then He came as Shri Krishna: Why? How? Because He, at least, was beyond karmas. Actually I would explain that, how it works out, and you will all understand - this is all Right Side activities - that, when the whole machinery was set up, the whole office was set up, there had to be some officers appointed. So the people were selected out of their good deeds and good behaviour. They were made into Gods and were put permanently into places to act as officers. Like you have an officer here who will allow you to come inside the hall. A public place, or you can say, a public office, has got officers appointed. But you are the people who are going to be received, you see. For example, the queen has to come, so you appoint somebody, you see to the coach, another one is appointed to see to the laying of the red carpet. Then third is appointed with the flower bouquet there, standing. And when the queen comes they are positioned in their places. They need not reincarnate. But you are to enter into the hall. You have to come onto the stage. It is you for whom all these permanent fixtures were created. Why do you want to be some permanent fixtures there? We have had enough of them. Who’s going to come on the stage? Who is going to be adorned? We are in the central path. They are all settled on the right hand side and left hand side. These are called ‘ganas’ on the left hand side and on the right… (break in recording) ..why this universe was created? Why all these elements were created and then Gods were created? Why? All these chiranjeevas (चिरञ्जीव) were created: those who achieved the state of permanence, the chiranjeevas are. Why? Just to evolve you. All right? Which is the other myth they have given you? Seeker: Can you talk a bit more on ego. It seems that the ego is the main problem. You have to go beyond that. Shri Mataji: No, no, no! It’s not ego, it can be both. My child it could be ego or a superego. You see, actually, nowadays it is more superego. You will be surprised. Seeker: Like you are saying going beyond the ego. Shri Mataji: No. Not only ego. It could be ego or superego. I’ll tell you how. I must tell you about ego and superego so you will understand. An example of ego is that, say, a child is having the milk from the mother: in complete joy, the child is, and then you remove the child from that joy. Then he develops the ego. He says, “Why have you done it?!!” Then you tell him, “Don’t do like that!” Then you develop the superego within you. So the conditionings come through superego. And the ego is the one through which you assert yourself. And the superego is the one through which you receive conditionings. So both could be there. And with the people who have been to these funny, horrible, people, more is the superego than the ego I tell you. I wish they were more egoistical to really slap them nicely on their faces. But they were not. They were so humble to accept them, so they are conditioned, they are more conditioned and much more affected by superego than by ego. So we have so many cases of superego nowadays. Seeker: How can we be obstructed? Shri Mataji: You can be if there is [something] wrong with your chakras, there is an obstruction (baddha) in you. But the Kundalini Itself looks after it. She Herself works it out. Then you can get vibrations there by other Sahaj Yogis. They can help you. They will have to jolly well help you because they will feel the obstruction within themselves! Unless and until you feel all right, I am not going to feel all right myself: whether it is two nights or five nights makes no difference. It is that way. I mean otherwise, even if you try to save somebody who is getting drowned, if you think you are doing it for others you are sadly mistaken. It is somebody in you who is getting drowned, that’s why you are there. (end of recording)

"This is not the work of mediocres", Public programme, Dr. Johnson house, Birmingham (UK), 16 June 1979. I am really sorry we got here, reached here, on a train that was late. Things have to be done according to the timings of the Divine, you cannot plan out your own things. And that's how sometimes one has to be later and sometimes one has to be earlier. But one thing is definite: the time has come for the final happening of your being. This being has been passing through various phases of life. You know that, that you have been a small little amoeba and then a fish, a reptile, and that's how the evolution went on till you are today, here, sitting as a human being. All this has happened to you without your knowledge, without your deliberations. And you have taken for granted that you are a human being and all the rights as a human being are your own. In the same way you have a right to be something more than what you are, because even today you do not know what is your purpose, why all this effort was put in to create you? What is the meaning of this life? Is it pointless? Just you were created for nothing at all, for thousands of years? In such a manner that so many things were discarded, so many shapes were discarded, so many forms were discarded, and then gradually, one by one, they started disappearing from this Earth. Ultimately we find there are so many human beings now on this Earth that it is not easy to explain how, in this short time, you were created and so many were created. Whether you believe it or not, but there is a Source, there is a Controlling Power, which does that. The human beings themselves have been talking about God, have been writing about God - themselves. Of course, they were hedged by incarnations who led them do this kind of a decision, no doubt. But still, animals do not think of God, they cannot think of anything abstract. So there is an awakening within every human being that we are not complete and there is something of the beyond. Now, if I say that, just now, “[What] we know about this Universe through our senses is just a dream,” it’s a fact. Is just a dream. You are not going to believe me that this is all a dream when you can see it very clearly. But don’t we see everything in the dreams clearly? In the dream are we not related to all the things that they create, in the same manner as it exists today? So when I say that you have to be awakened out of this dream and jump into that awareness, which is complete awakening, you might say that, “Is it going to be from one dream to another dream and from this dream to another dream?” How is it am I going to prove that even that awakening which is beyond you? You start feeling the vibrations as you must have heard about it. Then how are you to believe that even those vibrations that you feel and the Supreme Power you feel, the All-pervading Collective Consciousness you feel within yourself, is also [not] another dream and you have to be awakened beyond that? I would like anyone of the Sahaj Yogis to answer this question if possible. Can you tell me that? You see, ours is a, you see, a type of a proof. I would like to know if any Sahaj Yogis can say definitely that the dream, that you have come out of it now, because you are feeling the vibrations, and you are feeling the Collective Consciousness within you, yourself, is also not another dream. I want you to think about it. Can anyone give an explanation? Can anyone think of an explanation that [proves that] even that All-pervading Power you are feeling is not a dream? Sahaj Yogi: The dream doesn't change. Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon. Sahaj Yogi: The dream doesn't change. Shri Mataji: But how can you say? [If] you are still in a dream, then how will you say whether it will change or not? How can you say definitely that it is not going to change? You see, because I find lots of intellectuals sitting here so I want to give you a little bit. Why should you believe me also? You should be open about it and you should find out [if] I am taking you from dreams to dream and again to another dream. Bala let’s have you, you’re a very clever boy! I mean, we have intellectuals. Today only I told Gavin, that I’ll ask you a question. How do you say that these vibrations that are there, you are not dreaming about them? Maria Laventz : If they are there how can we dream about them? Shri Mataji: Beg your pardon? Maria Laventz: If they are there how can we dream about them? Shri Mataji: You see, but may be that, in this case they are there because you are in another dream state, the third one! Maria Laventz: This is my personal opinion that this dream for me, it is one that has come true. Shri Mataji: True, but what do you say that for the next dream, what about the next dream? Maybe something else would be there. Sahaj Yogi: We can test that by vibrations. Shri Mataji: But even vibrations could be dream! You see, you just think about it. Why am I saying [is so] that you don't just accept me as I am saying it, keep your mind on the alert. Sahaj Yogi: We don't think. Shri Mataji: You don't think about it. Why not? You can also think about it and this is the point. The point is not that you don't think about it, but, that in the dream whatever you have, now you have come to the state of consciousness where you are just conscious. Then whatever you have in this conscious stage cannot be used in your dream; you cannot relate it to your dream. But when you get realised then you can use that finding - in Sanskrit it’s called as upalabdi (उपलब्धि : observation) - to solve the problems of this dream. You see? That is why that is not a dream. Whatever creates the dream is ignorance. You can face it by the findings of Sahaj Yog. Every minute you can face it as people here. So, it should not be a criteria that I do not take any money from you, so you just believe me. No! You should not believe on this point. But the thing is, if your dream, that is today's conscious mind, where we are in the centre in the conscious mind, when this conscious mind receives super-consciousness, then that consciousness can be used to solve the problems of this dream. And this is why we have to know that, whatever you achieve through Sahaj Yoga, breaks all the dreams. Later on you can even use it for the dream itself, because you will start absolute state and you have that absolute awareness which we call as chaitanya lahari - is the vibrations - by which you can judge everything: the dream that was there, sushupti (सुषुप्ति – deep sleep) as they call it – and this conscious time, and also the future that is God, and His ways. All these things can be felt through these vibrations. The obstructions which come your way not to feel, we call them as baddha (बद्ध - obstruction). Obstructions are called as ‘baddha’: means 'by which we cannot feel them fully'. Maybe the instrument is not alright, maybe there is something wrong. But the feelings that you get of these vibrations are not clear-cut in your mind and there is a vikalpa. ‘Vikalpa’ means a 'doubt'. The doubt is there because your feelings are not correct yet. There is a vicious circle on this point. Even when you do get your vibrations, then the doubt are there, because your feelings are not yet all right. So when you feel the vibrations perfectly well you can be doubtless. It’s a vicious circle. Because of the doubts you do not feel the vibrations, and because there are no vibrations, you are in doubts. This is the point, even after Realisation [that] one has to know beforehand, because we have had experiences that people came to my programme, they got Realisation and then went off, they would never come back. The reason for that is, this time is very important and that is the time when your capacity to achieve it, is tested. Realisation people get it, vibrations they do get, but your capacity to be steady into that state is only possible if you, yourself, you are determined to get it. Otherwise you are again thrown into the same dream. Like if you are getting drowned and somebody tries to save you, brings you on the boat, but still you are not sure whether you are in the boat or sinking in, and slip down back again. Again he puts you back. Again, you slip down. And the thing goes on. But if you could stick on to the boat with a little determination it helps much more. Because that is how you are going to know your meaning of life. Because of this little problem I have seen, in Sahaj Yoga, we get people who are excellent people. This is not the work of ordinary people, of mediocres. There is a saying in Marathi language (of Saint Tukaram), “Yerya gabalyatze kaama no he” “It's not for the lousy to come into this.” So this is a point where you have to achieve that, and that point is very important. Why I have today started with it [is] because I have seen many a times [that] all the efforts sometimes are lost just like that. Now it is there within you, all these chakras that are shown here. Would you like me to tell you the names of these chakras here? Now this chakra is the first chakra of the centre within us, which is in the subtle form we do not know about, but we know about it in the gross form, again in the dreamland, you can say. The gross form is called as the pelvic plexus, but it is manifested by this subtle chakra known as Mooladhara. This is a very, very important chakra within us, because that is how we started having life. We can say carbon was introduced in life, within us. Without carbon you cannot form life. And so this is the chakra where, this is the state where we really became living beings: the life pulsated in us, and that is how it is demarcated. It also represents all the matter that we have been, because carbon stands in the centre of the periodic table, as you understand it. And that is the highest evolved element because, when carbon was introduced then only we started pulsating as living beings. But it has nothing to do with Kundalini. So all the living things are at this level now, but while you have a higher position, all [of] you, built in you, though they also have the capacity to have all these. So the human history starts straight from here, is the base, that's why it is called as ‘Mooladhara’ chakra - [meaning] the base of the root, the base of the root. Now which is the root is this one (the Kundalini). This one is the germinating force within you by which you evolve to a higher state. And this is placed within your triangular bone which you can see with your naked eyes, you may be able to see the Kundalini there. It exists. But if you tell a doctor he won't believe you. I was myself a student of medicine and I would say “Now, how to talk to these people? It’s better to learn their language so that you can talk to them.” It exists there and many of the people who are here have seen this pulsating in them. This one. And this Kundalini is the force, which is kept there, residual force, which is kept there for your rebirth, as they call it. The Brahmin is called as a dweejaha means the one who is born again, reborn. As Christ himself has said, that you have to be twice born. Like an egg of a hen, we are born, living in this dream and in the cocoon of your own being. When you are ready, the Mother can pierce onto the head of the cocoon and can bring you out. Though the transformation has been done by you, within yourself, without feeling it, through the Divine Force. And I feel today is the time [when] you are just ripe for hatching, as they say. The blossom time has come. The time of transformation has come. And thousands have to be transformed. You have to know the meaning of your life because you were created for a purpose - from amoeba to this stage you were brought - and now the One who has created you, the One who has given you all the beauties and the bounties of this Universe, wants you to know Him and enjoy all the bounties, like the Father bestowing properties, all His enjoyments on this Earth, out of His love. It’s the manifestation of His love that has brought us to this state, and His love only is going to give you that status by which you are going to be enthroned into the Kingdom of God. Instead, I know people have been harmed much more. It’s very, very simple proposition, which is difficult for human beings to understand, that this was desired as a father desires for his son. Even when he is not yet a father, he thinks of a son: how he is going to bring him up and how he is going to bestow all his love and all he is earnings on that child. In the same manner, the Great Father has planned the whole thing in such a beautiful manner and He is going to look after His own Creation. No one can destroy it. He’s Almighty. Only thing is that you may destroy yourself, because He has made you free. He has given you freedom. He has treated you as a friend. Because if you have to be enthroned, you have to be a free person and you must know how to enjoy the glory of freedom. In that freedom if you have chosen something wrong then you cannot blame God for that. But even if it is just a mistake then He will work it out with a thousand fold of His grace and mercies to see you, that you are saved. He’s going to use all His powers to see that you receive that beauty that is promised. That is what is Sahaj Yoga. 'Sahaj' means 'spontaneous'. Perhaps we do not understand the full meaning of ‘spontaneous’, because ‘spontaneous’ itself is an abstract word to understand. It’s just His spontaneous power that works it out. He is spontaneity itself, and His powers are spontaneous, His love is spontaneous. You can see in every way how nature spontaneously does thousands of things which we cannot answer, neither can we understand it, nor can we appreciate it. Like a little flower becoming a fruit. We just take it for granted. If there are flowers, all right, take it, they are there. If there are fruits, we eat them. In the same way we have taken for granted everything and we have taken for granted Sahaj Yoga also. It's going to work out, it’s going to be within you, and all of you are going to get it. In this centre, the second centre, which you see, is this centre first, because this is the centre, which is called as the Manipur centre; which controls our navel organs or, we can call them, as the solar plexus. There is the solar plexus which controls all the organs in the stomach, all the viscera. And this centre [Swadishthan] actually comes out of this centre. It’s an additional centre of this, which revolves around this area and looks after organs that are inside the stomach. As God has made you in His own image, you can see that this is the place where God has created this Universe: where the stars and all the galaxies are created. And then the Earth is created down here, and we have a sun and a moon. But in our being itself also, we have got all these centres placed within us. This is the star of Jupiter you can say. All of them have also stars which are like push buttons. All these big stars, are ‘push buttons’ in the viscera or in the stomach, abdomen, of God Almighty. In the same way, we too have got this centre which is very important. If you can see here that it is surrounded by this water element, and this centre is meant for your seeking. So, first the life started existing in this water and the seeking started. The seeking started because we have [an] in-born, built-in, sense of seeking. Amoeba seeks the food. Animals seek also food, and also the things like protection. It learns how to protect itself. But the human being seeks the meaning of his being. This seeking beyond is our subject today. This side is, this blue line (Ida Nadi) that is shown within you, is the line of your existence, which manifests your left side sympathetic nervous system. And the line, other line, that is showing here, is the line of your creativity (Pingala Nadi), of your physical being, which is represented by, or manifested by your right side sympathetic nervous system. In the centre [channel] is the seeking. And you see that there is a void, there is a void in between. You do not know how to approach from here. Human beings have this centre as very important, because after a point of protection animals rise, they learned methods how to protect themselves. But this is a point (Vishuddhi), which is very important, where human beings have raised their heads up. This centre is a very, very vital centre because that is the point where human beings have accepted their responsibilities. They have accepted the situation that they are something: this I-ness started with this centre. Because at this centre - as it is shown in the figure it is slightly wrong because that is connected on both the sides - at this centre, when the human beings start using these two powers within them, of one of existence and another of creativity - or we can say the emotional, mental and physical powers - they release, from their being, fumes of tensions. And these two fumes as we have shown there, go into the brain and form on this side the superego and that side as the ego. Now how superego is formed and how ego is formed and what it is, I’ll tell you in short. As in a factory, when there is activity, you see the fumes coming out, in the same way, when we have our emotional activity or our physical, mental activity, the fumes, which represent all the activities of that shadow, are accumulated in these two balloon-like structures. These two balloon-like structures, when they meet, then a human being is separated from the mains. Animals are not separated. Only human beings are separated. They have [been] given that freedom. When they are born, in the fontanel area as you can see in childhood, is very, very soft. And you can see the pulsation through which the power flows into the limbic area. But when a child grows and his two activities grow just like that, there's calcification of that bone and you find that the head here becomes hard. That's why sometimes people say “hard nuts.” This hard nut is the place where this Kundalini has to pierce. She has to rise from her seat, go upward and pierce that fontanel area. Which we all know is called as baptism. This was the baptism that John the Baptist said, not that you get baptists from some theological college or from some training or some sort of a clownish looking people. They cannot do it. They may dress up like clowns and say, “All right I baptise you.” It's absurd! What is their authority to do such things? And that's how when, in the modern times you feel, if you ask people, “Do you believe in God?” “No!” “Why?” “Because our clergyman is like that.” But the church should not assume that they are representing God. In the same manner, in every religion, the so-called Hinduism, which you think is something very great and people have exploited you, is even filthier and much worse than Christianity could be any time. This sort of exploitation is one of the greatest hurdles in your getting the Realisation. Many times the seekers - the innocent seekers who are seeking - they don't find it in church, so they go to an Indian temple where they may purchase some ganja and end up in some swimming pool or something like that. That is one of the greatest hurdles, I say, today, that the way the innocence of the seekers is being exploited by people who think that they can make money. They are not worried about their own seeking [so] how can they respect your seeking? Or [they get] some sort of a fraudulent or you can say sadistic happiness out of it. This centre, the whole of this centre, which is supported by your sustenance, is disturbed by this. Here a human sustenance is retained and created and looked after. And there are great incarnations who come on Earth to teach us that this is the sustenance you should adhere to. But there are also horrible, wicked, evil geniuses who come on this Earth. They come in this area and they disturb your sustenance. That is, as I said, the greatest problem that is facing me. Actually, it would be something like a beautiful garden I come to, and I find beautiful flowers around and I’m just coming and here I find the flowers mutilated for the selfish ends of the absolutely depraved and low type of human beings. They should have horns actually and tails; that is how depraved they are. Even animals with horns are thousand times better. They want to retard your progress. And that is how we find today the situation is, at the blossom time, that all the flowers have been destroyed. Otherwise they were to be fruits, very easily. It was to happen with all of them. With great care and concern, to form that peach, but now they have come up to this level and here we find them suddenly destroyed by the nonsensical horrible people who actually are of no virtue. You cannot understand the anguish. Now it is for the flowers to understand this. I was happy to learn that people have started calling themselves ‘flower people’. It was a good idea. But they started another style of self-destruction out of frustration. Others are destroyed as well, as you are also destroying yourself. The other side of it is also very, very tragic. I met one of the Sahaj Yogis here who had broken his back because he did parachuting. So I said, “Why did you do this?” “What was the need to do parachuting, of all the things?” Because I know his value, I know his substance, I know he has the feeling. I said, “You should not have gone for parachuting. You are not the type, from planes." He said, “Out of sheer frustration I thought better break my neck! Still I came out of it. Then I thought I must be worth something more, the way I did it. I did it very well. But still it is there that there must be more value out of life.” But some of you have overdone everything. Why? Because you have not been able to evaluate yourself, and to find out about yourself, to know about yourself and what is the material you are. When you are the hope of the whole Creation, how is it that you did not [take] heed to your own being? And this is the second hurdle that I have to face, you have to face and all those who believe that they should get Realisation have to face. This is how I am describing the void here because I have to do in a very short time and you know the subject matter is very great. I would suggest that let us have The light first. Let us get the Enlightenment first. Then it would be easier to talk about it. Without light, what am I going to describe to you? And why should you believe me? So better have your light. Better feel it, manoeuvre it, understand it and then use it. First time when the Kundalini touches the brahmarandhra or when it opens out at this point, then you start feeling these cool vibrations. So actually, that has happened? Let us see, in medical terminology. The central path, which is the sushumna, represents the parasympathetic nervous system. I do not want to bore you with the medical terms because I have been bored myself quite a lot! The central path of this sushumna is manifesting the parasympathetic and if you go and ask doctors, they'll say, “Oh, we don't know much about it. Don't ask.” This is the point; this is the line by which we manifest our present: now, today, just now. Today is also true, but [actually] this moment. We cannot stay on this moment, either we go to the past or to the future, but we cannot stay here. If we could stay here, then we could see these two things clearly. But we are all the time jumping and we cannot see because the past is finished and the future doesn't exist. So we don't see anything. The sum total is, that we don't see anything. We can only see something or feel something if we could steady ourselves on this parasympathetic, which we cannot; medically, they say that we cannot tap the energy of parasympathetic. Now this is what we have achieved up to this point as human beings. This is our achievement, which is felt in our physical being, in our emotional being and in our mental being. But also, there is another being which is our Spiritual being which we can aspire for, but we cannot feel it. And that Spiritual being resides in the heart as Spirit. That Spirit sees you, It knows everything about you, but you cannot get to it. Your own attention does not reach that, that’s why you cannot feel it. For example, you see this pillar; so the pillar is not you, you see these flowers [so] flowers are not you, you see this hand, so this hand is not you, because you see it. So there are two things going on all the time. Then you see you have a brain, that means you are not your brain. Then you see that you think then you are not your thoughts. Then the One that sees everything is the One that resides in the heart. This is the reflection of God Almighty, Who resides on your head, on your heart. Now immediately, if you start jumping as a jumping jack, that, “How do you talk of God?” I am just talking of it, I am not saying that, “Here is the key.” Later on we'll find out really [if] all what I talk is true or not. But for the time being it's just a hypothesis and you just listen to this as a hypothesis. So the reflection of God within us is the Spirit, and when the Kundalini rises, She touches the feet of the God Almighty - this is symbolically I am saying - [then] immediately, you become enlightened by the Spirit, the Atma, and it starts pulsating in you, in your heart there is pulsation. But you cannot feel that pulsation in your body usually. When that happens you start feeling that pulsation moving when the Spirit pulsates. And when He is the One who is part and parcel of the whole, you get connected to the whole, you start feeling the whole and that's how you actualise it. You actually get it within yourself, the manifestation of collective consciousness. It's very much higher than that of animal consciousness. Though many human beings aspire to be animals, surprisingly! Like, if an animal has to pass through the filth, he doesn’t feel it, but human beings can. They do not feel the colour, I mean, they do not enjoy the colours. They cannot enjoy a good painting. For an animal, if you show him a painting, he won’t understand what it the beauty [of it]. He doesn't know what is the beauty. So, in the same way when you become your being, your consciousness becomes collectively manifesting. That means you become one with the whole. Say you are a cell somewhere here in the image of God, then this cell becomes connected with the whole. You can feel the connection, that’s how the wholesomeness is established within you. How it happens is that you start feeling the vibrations flowing from your hands, and all these chakras which are enlightened, get enlightened here and activated. All these colours will tell you which chakras are related to which finger here. With this sketch here, you can make out all of them. Now when these are activated, you start feeling others on these activated hands. You can start feeling their centres. You can start feeling your own centres. This is what is Self-realisation, that you can feel your own centres. All other nonsense has no meaning. People talk of Self-realisation and end up by going to some sort of a cemetery. They try to show that from the dead they are going to get you something that is above living! This is the only way that you get your Realisation. If you say a seed sprouts through its plumule, that's a fact. But if somebody says that you can sprout a seed through the trunk, can you do it? Or through the cotyledon, as you call it? In the cotyledon you can have the germinating power, which is not. It’s all properly placed and built-in within us. And this is the instrument, which is there within us, and only through this instrument you are going to get your Realisation. There’s no other way out. And this one is such a beautiful one because, here is your Mother, is your individual Mother. She is waiting for this day. She is the one who guided you. She is the one who took you to spirituality, She is the one, She knows that there is something above, and She is just waiting for a chance to rise and give you that Realisation. Now, in this also, there are thugs, as I call them. I have no other word to describe them. They have made a mess of his Kundalini of yours. If you read some Kundalini book you would not come to my programme. They think she’s the most ferocious lady ever born. All sorts of perverted things they have said about this Mother of yours; while She is the most loving thing that you can ever have. She is the one who is going to bestow His bliss on you while the horrible ones have tried to malign Her, to shame Her, insult Her and have tried to do such things that it’s insulting, absolutely a poison. Every time I have to tell you about these ghastly people which I don’t want to talk about, because it’s so ugly to talk of these horrible snakes. But they are there in the garden and I have to talk. I have to warn you all the time and you have to be very, very careful about them. Now, I think this is such a big subject that I don’t know how will I be able to give the complete idea about it. But so far, I think I have explained to you that you have a purpose in life, and there are milestones of your evolution placed within you as centres, subtle centres, which you can see with your eyes pulsating and can feel through the stethoscope. And here is ego and superego within you which has given you the freedom, an independent personality and you can act as independent people. And with this personality, only, you achieve that higher state. And when you achieve that, the manifestation of that Divine Force, through you, starts flowing. At the end of the day, I would say that you become a hollow personality; that you become the real instrument of God, that the power starts flowing through you and you see it flowing and working and you can manoeuvre it. Of course, again talking about the snakes: they give you no powers whatsoever, and take away all the powers you have. But the whole Creation has been created, and you have been manifested as human beings to achieve your own powers. So there’s a sweet story about Radha and Krishna: once they say Radha was jealous of Shri Krishna’s flute. So She went to Krishna and She said, “What is this? All the time you are putting her [flute] to your lips, I don’t like it.” He said, “Why? Are you jealous?” She said, “I am very jealous of her. What is her speciality? What is so special about her?” He said, “Why don’t you go and ask her?” He said, “It’s better that you go and ask her.” So She went and asked that, “What is your speciality that He’s all the time keeping you near His heart? And all the time He’s using you?” She laughed aloud and she said, “Do you know what is my speciality? My speciality is that I have no speciality. I have become a hollow person. I am absolutely hollow and He plays and the world enjoys and I see the thing flowing through me, and I just watch all that. And people say that it is the murli, it is the flute, that is playing. I just find I am just a hollow personality.” So Radha went to Krishna and She said, “All right, next time you make a hollow personality out of me!” This is what it is! And whatever is promised has to be done, is to be done. God never makes promises which He doesn’t keep. May God bless you all. I hope you all will get Realisation and you will steady it. That’s very important, because as I have told you, it’s not meant for lousy people. Thank you very much. I am so happy to see so many people here who are seekers, who are deep people, who have been seeking all their lives and they have to realise that this is the only way it has to be done. As I said, I don’t know how people charge money for it: it’s something ridiculous and it’s very, very low, I mean, if you talk about it. You cannot charge money for your love. I work in India and they told me, “Mother, can you give us a list of people whom you have cured?” I said, “It’s very embarrassing. Don’t ask me such questions!” They said, “But you must give us the list of people whom you have cured!” I said, “I have never made a list.” So he said, “Oh really? Why not?” I said,“Do you make a list of people whom you feed? Whom you love? Whom you give them mercy, to your own children? Do you make a list of all that? How many times you have done washes to your children? Or you enjoy it so much [that] where is the time for all these nonsensical things?” Has to be! It’s very embarrassing I think. It is that beautiful way of giving. May God bless you again and again. And let’s see now what happens. How far you get it. I would say we will ask some questions, and if you can ask some questions. But you should not be very sensitive about it. Because people ask me very, very direct questions and when I give them an answer they feel hurt. And I don’t want to hurt you for anything because you are already very much hurt. I do not want to hurt you. But it happens, and it happens like that, that you ask funny questions and when I tell you the answer, sometimes you feel hurt. So just ask me questions. Seeker: When I go into relaxation I get convulsions in the abdominal area. Shri Mataji: How can that be relaxation my child? Just tell me. How can that be if there are convulsions? It’s a sickness. It’s a possession. Have you seen possessed people? They get the same thing. When they are possessed they get the same thing. They feel relaxed because somebody else has taken their responsibility, but physically they can’t bear the pressure and they have contortions. It’s very easy to find out: you must be having lots of lunatic asylums here, you can go and see them, when they are possessed how they behave. Say, epilepsy is one of them. If you have seen in epilepsy how people get into a kind of a posture from where they cannot get out for hours together. It is possession. It’s not only that your stomach will be absolutely relaxed but you will relax the stomachs of others. Seeker: Will this take us to God realisation? Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Seeker: Will this take us to God realisation? This Self-realisation, will this take us to God? Shri Mataji: Of course, of course! You see there are some people [who] just arrive there very fast, but some people go through certain stages. The first stage of Realisation, when the Kundalini crosses over the Agnya Chakra, is called as Thoughtless Awareness. Only with this Thoughtless Awareness you can start curing people. You can cure people if your Kundalini has crossed the Agnya. That’s how you find many people can cure, but they don’t know how to do it, they don’t know how to manoeuvre it. And then we have the Kundalini rising above the fontanel, which we can call as the time, I call it, as Self-realisation. Because that’s the time you become another human being with collective consciousness. With that, you can start giving Realisation to others, correcting your own chakras, everybody’s chakras, and you can start feeling it. So many things will happen. I mean it’s endless. I cannot tell you how you realise the bliss of the Divine by that. It’s something so wonderful that you will be amazed. We have here one Sahaj Yogi. In the beginning, you know, I had only six of the for four years, for your information, in England. And I worked with six of them. And one of them in the beginning felt like, “Let’s see how this collective consciousness works!” So he said, “My father has not written any letter to me.” I said, “All right, you don’t write to him, you just think about him and feel his vibrations.” He started getting a heat here and burning here. He said, “Mother what does that mean?” I said, “All these centres are of you father. So you telephone to him and find out. He must be having bronchitis.” He had bronchitis. But when the fellow talked to him, his bronchitis got all right. It’s that fantastic. So from Thoughtless Awareness you jump into collective consciousness, collective awareness. This collective awareness gives you the powers of collective consciousness by which you cure others. Even sitting down here you can cure other people, you can awaken their Kundalini, even give them Realisation. But that person you talk to on the phone should be connected and that he should know that there is a movement by some deliberations of somebody who is, we call, a Sahaj Yogi. Then the third state is complete Self-realisation. That state comes, we call it as Nirvikalpa Samadhi, means where there is doubtless awareness, that you have no doubts anymore left about it. It’s not rational but it is a state in which you settle down. In that state you have no doubts anymore about it. Then the powers are dynamic, and you start working on so many dimensions that you are amazed how things work out. For example, I’ll tell you we have a lady here, I must say she is doubtlessly aware. She doesn’t feel anybody’s chakras or her chakras. All the time her vibrations are throughout. She wrote a letter to me saying that, “Mother there is a girl who has got cancer, she is about ten, eleven years of age and I don’t know how we can help her. She has come all the way from Hong Kong and they are saying that she has to die in about three months time.” I said, “All right.” “And she’s now going to America for further check up.” So she went to America and the American doctor said, “She has no cancer, nothing. Who told you she has cancer?” This is [just] one of the many times some dynamic things that will happen. At first you cannot believe it, it is so fantastic. So this is the state of doubtless awareness. First the thoughtless awareness, then the doubtless awareness. Now, the ‘awareness’ word, you see, is, in the dream we call it awareness only. Say, now, I say that normally what we are, in conscious mind, is a dream. So this is also awareness. And even after that is awareness. But in Sanskrit there are two words: one is ‘buddha’, another is ‘prabuddha’. If you put ‘pra’, means ‘enlightened’. So we should call it ‘enlightened awareness’. So it is thoughtless, enlightened awareness. And enlightened awareness is also termed as ‘samadhi’: so is ‘nirvichar samadhi’. And the second one is the doubtless, enlightened awareness: is the ‘nirvikalpa samadhi’, where there is no vikalpa. Now this also is the term one has to understand, very carefully, what is a ‘vikalpa’. But I think that I will do some other time. And this is what is the Self-realisation. When you have achieved that, then there is God’s realisation [which] starts, where you start controlling the nature, you start controlling all that you see and you become the master of all that, but you do everything for the hita (हित), means for the well-being of your own and of the whole. Your connection with the whole becomes absolutely clear cut when you become God-realised. Means your awareness becomes so clear and so much effective as if people would say that, “Look at this man! How does he do it? And how it happens?” That is the state also responsible. After all the whole Creation has been through Sahaja only - spontaneous. And in the same way this is also spontaneous. There are only two persons, though they were born to incarnations, who were Divine, and who became themselves incarnations. They were born as human beings but became themselves incarnations. But even that gap can be covered. Why not? Seeker: Mother you also say that there are many yogic people teaching the wrong things in the himalayas. Why does God allow this? Shri Mataji: He doesn’t allow. You allow. I have told you, you have the freedom to choose. First thing you should know: a man who takes money, how can that be near God? You remember, you have Christ before you. You know he took one whip and whipped these people in the church. A man like him who said, “Forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.” He whipped them. He whipped those people. That’s what they deserved, and you went to them and bowed to them. While you are all very intelligent people and why such intelligent people are being attracted to this kind of a nonsense and an absurd thing? While poor simple uneducated are better off. They know, “Oh we understand all that!” They are not stupid. You must understand [that] when you have money, all such thugs are going to come down here. I’ll take the other position now, let’s see: supposing somebody comes out of the jail, in India, he has no social position. He cannot live socially well. So he says, “All right, let me take another form,” or “let me have a drama.” He makes a camouflage out of it. He makes a person who is very saintly - oh, very poor - now he greets you there. Or he may even master some of the ??, makes no difference. Then he comes out. He says, “You see, I will show you the water will come out of the earth, just now.” Previously he night he must have arranged that there might be a pipeline going, and he must have put some sort of a clock there, and which he must have picked up and shown you that the water is coming out. And people will say, “Oh, this is a great miracle! He hit there and the water has started coming!” So the sensible person has to go from the back door and see how he lives. And see about the pipeline. You should be on the alert. This alertness, if you do not keep in spirituality....even after Realisation you have to be alert about your attention. First the alertness is about others, but after Realisation the alertness is about you, because within you there are thieves who have come inside you, so you have to watch that. But you people are so simple and so innocent. And I really don’t want to even blame your freedom for it, really, because they did a good job of it, no doubt about it. Seeker: May I ask one? If you get Realisation, one raises the Kundalini and gets Realisation. Do you have to repeat that or is once enough? Shri Mataji: Yah, yah. You have to. You see with some people it just goes [up] and goes down. One horrible guru we have in India. I don’t know what he’s done that you raise the Kundalini, you bring it up and it again sucks back. Again you bring it up and again it is sucked back. Oh, you don’t know how much one has to work hard. With some people it is not. But one has to work hard, morning till evening the whole night. Last night I think we slept about 2:30. Oh, it’s a terrible job, [but] it has to be done. But there is no guarantee about it. Now, you will understand one thing, very simple it is, because you are coming from a different experience relative to God, that here nothing is selling, nothing is guaranteed. It’s the whim that you get your Realisation. It’s God’s whim that He gives you Realisation. It’s in complete freedom that He sits there. You cannot overpower His freedom, because He’s not seeking elections. You are to elect Him. It’s the other way round towards Him, you see? So there is no guarantee of anything. Do you understand such a situation? Seeker: We desire it, we have to desire it, for God. And we go to a guru and perhaps our discernment, our rationalisation, our alertness, isn’t as acute as it should be. Shri Mataji: Yes. Seeker: How can these people, these men, continue and speak of God in such glowing terms, such heightened terms? Shri Mataji: They have no Kundalini, they have no Spirit. They have achieved there doom a long time back. You see, a person who is absolutely shameless, what can you do about such a person? They do not want their ascent. As the story is there were some monkeys playing, and one of the monkey’s tail was cut, so he wanted everybody’s tail to be cut. That is their attitude: they want everybody’s tail to be cut! Only thing that you can do is not to have anything to do with them. Seeker: How then do we know an authentic person who will take us to God? Shri Mataji: How do we know? Because if a person makes you authentic, that person is definitely authentic! You can see very clearly, you see, when they say, “We’ll give you these powers and this.” You cannot manoeuvre them! You cannot understand them, you do not even have the know-how. You see, how do I say you are an authentic engineer? Because you know engineering. All right? That’s how you are authentic. If you do not know how to do anything, how are you authentic? So the one who gives you the authenticity itself, is authentic. If he gives you the powers by which you know the know-hows and you yourself can bestow those powers to others, then you can say it is authentic, isn’t it. Oh, you all know all about it! I’ll tell you what happens. Now, I’ll tell you what it is that disturbs you. Why it has happened, I will tell you. You see, they are Greek so they have to be translated. Don’t get upset about it. What has happened, really, should I tell you? Now, the thing that has happened is that you developed your societies, you developed your countries and you became developed countries. You developed your brains also too much, and the whole thing was the Right Side movement as we call it: too much mental activities. You started analysing everything. You thought you can analyse everything, you can do everything. And you developed too much of ego. We can say about fifty years back the ego of say a British person, was so great that it was pushing all the superego on one side. But then the suppression became painful and hurting you. So the other people who followed them, they tried to push it back again. All right? They said, “No, this is too much of ego, we just can’t bear it, it’s colossal! They are a bit too egoistical.” So they started pushing their superego too much. Now when you start doing that, what happens [is] that the wobbling starts in your brain and you are not sure as to whether it was ego or superego, you could not understand. This was the first beginning. Then the war broke out, Hitler came in and he broke your families, he broke your values in something sublime and supreme. All these things happened. Then people like Freud and all that came in to give you another kind of thoughts which also destroyed you. Now you were in uncertain conditions, and uncertain thinking. You were basically in that position. So when something came from a foreign country, about which you had no knowledge, an ignorance, you thought, “Better not think about it because by thinking what have we done? By thinking we have invaded other countries. By thinking we have ruined our families. By thinking we have done. So better not think about it, let’s accept it. Whatever they say, let’s accept it.” And when they came out with great words like ‘peace of the world’ , ‘a domain of this and that’ you just were charmed by that. But naturally. Then I would say, that you are the right people for Sahaj Yoga, and you are the people. You are those supreme people who have been selected by these thugs, because now you know all the methods of the thug and you are not going to go more in that. This is for the immunity to be developed within you, that you had to go there. And there’s nothing to fear, because your Mother is quite capable. You are the ones crucified for others, because you could only do that. It was only your strength that could bear it out. It was nice that strong flowers were taken out. If they were just very weak flowers you would have been finished! So you had to play that role. Why worry about it? We are going to work it out so don’t worry about the past. You are the ??. Doesn’t matter. Moreover you will be surprised: unless and until human beings go through such experiences, they do not come to Sahaj Yoga also. Do you know, these boys wanted me to go to Brighton, I said, “Right! You go to Brighton, then I’ll join! Not now!” Because I have been to Brighton, I know what sort of a place it is. And I don’t know, but poor things, they accepted it, and went down to Brighton. And not a single soul came to the programme. But there’s another horrible one there, which they are all jumping, shouting. They are increasing in sizes so much that they have to take another place and another place, and it’s going on there so let them go through that. What am I to do? I cannot force you. You know, I started my work in 1970, actually, but with one person. In this England, for four years, I worked with six people, as I told you. So, it’s all right. Most of them, even, they come in a big group sometimes. Yesterday for example we went down to another place, and most of them who were there, most of them except two or three, they were sick with something so I was improving their throats and one lady was having epilepsy, another was having another trouble, and I was just improving them. So you are the ones which are described, what we call the real, valley entity. So what does it matter? Nothing has gone wrong with you. Not to feel very down. I’ll do it very carefully. You won’t be hurt at all. You are going to get the whole of it, and all the secrets, all the secrets. And you are going to master this art and you are going to change the whole world, don’t you worry. You will know your powers very soon, how dynamic you are. So don’t get upset about it, and don’t harbour about the past. Somebody has to build the road. It’s nice they chose such strong children of mine. I am very happy that they did not put their hands on the crippled ones. So there’s nothing to worry about. All right? May God bless you. What’s that? Are there any other questions? No? Shri Mataji: Yes my child? Seeker: Can you explain what we have been told about karma? Shri Mataji: Karma? All right. That, I must explain to you. This is another story. But where did they get it I don’t know, that “You have done your karmas, you must cleanse it.” Then why are they there? What are they doing? These are the sweepers, why don’t they sweep all the dirt? Why should we clean the dirt? You are paying them! They are paid for it! Who does the karmas? Do you know that? The ego does the karmas. Do the animals feel that they have done any karmas? They do not accumulate any filth. Why do we accumulate our karmas? Because our ego is there. Because you feel “I am doing it.” All right? But you don’t do anything actually, you know. I tell a story about some villagers going on an aeroplane, and they were told not to carry too much luggage, so they were very cautious. When they sat down, they took all their luggage and put it on their heads. People said, “Why?” They said, “You see we don’t want the aeroplane to carry too much luggage.” In the same way you are carrying your karmas! It is absurd! It’s only your ego that does the karmas. When your ego falls down, when you are opened out, you do not do any karmas, you know that you do not do it. It’s very nicely explained in the [Bhagavad] Geeta. Because these people have not told you anything about it. It’s so clear cut, that the karmas become akarmas when you get Realisation. Gyan, what is gyana is awareness. When the awareness is enlightened then you become prabuddha. That means your ego falls off on both the sides. Ego is no more there. The myth of doing karma is finished. And these people play on that myth by saying, “All right, you are carrying this luggage? Now you better carry even the aeroplane on your heads!” (Laughter) You better put all these aeroplanes on their heads. And their karmas, who is going to cleanse them? Have they thought of it? They are talking about your karmas, but what about their karmas? Karma is a myth, as long as you are in a myth. For example in a dream you are running fast to save yourself from the police. You are running fast, you cannot find a ladder, you find half of it and you jump onto this and jump onto that. When the dream is over, if I tell you, “Now, better you jump!” You will say, “Oh, the dream is over!” Instead of awakening you, if I say, “All right, run, run, run. Still the police is after you!” Then the police will catch hold of them, those police. It’s all mythical. It’s said very clearly that it becomes akarma. Like the sun giving you the rays: does it do any work? No it just emits, it just emits. Like people say, “Mother you must be very much working hard.” But no, you see, it just emits. I don’t do any work, nothing, it just emits. That’s my nature. It just flows. Some say, “Mother, how can we return it back.” Like we had one girl, she said, “Mother I know very good how to massage your feet.” I said, “All right, come along. Do it.” She started massaging my feet and her feet became relaxed and she felt relaxed and she felt like sleeping. So she said, “What’s this Mother?” I said, “This is what it is!” Because I don’t do anything. Absolutely a lazy person! Just sitting down. It just emits it just flows, it works. Like the sun’s rays come and change the whole world, the chlorophyll is created, but the sun doesn’t say, “I do it. I have done this.” This is exactly what happens to you when you get Realisation, the vibrations start flowing, then you say, “Mother it is not rising.” You never say, “I am not doing it.” “It is not coming, it is not working.” You talk in the third person. You never talk in your own way that, “I have not done it. I have not achieved it.” “I have given Realisation.” You never say that! You say, “He is not realised.” Now, [if] your own son is there, [if] he is not realised, “You say, you know, Mother, it’s not working. What to do?” So the karmas, whatever are done, are not felt, so where is the phala (फल: fruit) about it, what is the fruit about it? Nothing! I will have to give you another lecture on Geeta, I think, then you will understand that you do not do any karmas and there are no phalas about it. It is just a myth. And this is what Shri Krishna wanted you to realise, so He played His diplomacy. And I will tell you about His tricks, because I am the only one who knows. Then you will all know about His tricks: that you don’t do any karmas, so there is no phala about it. But when you are in the dream you cannot say this. When you are awakened then you just feel, you say, “No it’s not going. It’s not coming. It’s not working. It doesn’t work out. It’s not solved.” Today before coming here I went to see a cancer patient. Her own daughter was saying, “Mother no, it’s not flowing. Still it’s not coming up. It’s the left catching, the right catching. This side and that.” And the lady herself has touched Realisation. She was saying, “Yes, Mother, still my left is bad.” She herself was saying so. So they say, “That is left, that is right, that is front, that is another one.” Like the children say. If you take a child and say, “Now, will you go home?” So they say, “This boy will not go!” That means they are different from ‘this boy’: “This boy will not go.” They speak in [the] third person. In the same way you also speak in the third person. The whole thing becomes akarma. So the myth has to break, the dream has to dissolve. Seeker: Does that mean there is no reincarnation? Shri Mataji: How can you say that? “There is no karma, there is no reincarnation,” all these are their ideas, nonsense. They talk like that. Then why did Krishna Himself reincarnate so many times on this Earth? Did he have any karmas? He was Yogeshwara himself. You should ask them, “Why did He reincarnate? Did He not?” He came as a fish, then He came as this and that and that, and then He came as Rama, Parashurama, and then He came as Shri Krishna: Why? How? Because He, at least, was beyond karmas. Actually I would explain that, how it works out, and you will all understand - this is all Right Side activities - that, when the whole machinery was set up, the whole office was set up, there had to be some officers appointed. So the people were selected out of their good deeds and good behaviour. They were made into Gods and were put permanently into places to act as officers. Like you have an officer here who will allow you to come inside the hall. A public place, or you can say, a public office, has got officers appointed. But you are the people who are going to be received, you see. For example, the queen has to come, so you appoint somebody, you see to the coach, another one is appointed to see to the laying of the red carpet. Then third is appointed with the flower bouquet there, standing. And when the queen comes they are positioned in their places. They need not reincarnate. But you are to enter into the hall. You have to come onto the stage. It is you for whom all these permanent fixtures were created. Why do you want to be some permanent fixtures there? We have had enough of them. Who’s going to come on the stage? Who is going to be adorned? We are in the central path. They are all settled on the right hand side and left hand side. These are called ‘ganas’ on the left hand side and on the right… (break in recording) ..why this universe was created? Why all these elements were created and then Gods were created? Why? All these chiranjeevas (चिरञ्जीव) were created: those who achieved the state of permanence, the chiranjeevas are. Why? Just to evolve you. All right? Which is the other myth they have given you? Seeker: Can you talk a bit more on ego. It seems that the ego is the main problem. You have to go beyond that. Shri Mataji: No, no, no! It’s not ego, it can be both. My child it could be ego or a superego. You see, actually, nowadays it is more superego. You will be surprised. Seeker: Like you are saying going beyond the ego. Shri Mataji: No. Not only ego. It could be ego or superego. I’ll tell you how. I must tell you about ego and superego so you will understand. An example of ego is that, say, a child is having the milk from the mother: in complete joy, the child is, and then you remove the child from that joy. Then he develops the ego. He says, “Why have you done it?!!” Then you tell him, “Don’t do like that!” Then you develop the superego within you. So the conditionings come through superego. And the ego is the one through which you assert yourself. And the superego is the one through which you receive conditionings. So both could be there. And with the people who have been to these funny, horrible, people, more is the superego than the ego I tell you. I wish they were more egoistical to really slap them nicely on their faces. But they were not. They were so humble to accept them, so they are conditioned, they are more conditioned and much more affected by superego than by ego. So we have so many cases of superego nowadays. Seeker: How can we be obstructed? Shri Mataji: You can be if there is [something] wrong with your chakras, there is an obstruction (baddha) in you. But the Kundalini Itself looks after it. She Herself works it out. Then you can get vibrations there by other Sahaj Yogis. They can help you. They will have to jolly well help you because they will feel the obstruction within themselves! Unless and until you feel all right, I am not going to feel all right myself: whether it is two nights or five nights makes no difference. It is that way. I mean otherwise, even if you try to save somebody who is getting drowned, if you think you are doing it for others you are sadly mistaken. It is somebody in you who is getting drowned, that’s why you are there. (end of recording)

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Talk, Questions and Answers, Leeds, UK - 18th of June 1979 Shri Mataji: […] Most of them. He has done three for you, I don’t know how we could do it. YOGINI: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Now we can do it perhaps just …] ANOTHER YOGINI: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: It’s also near, this fellow said, that we can’t do so …] Shri Mataji: Now what have you done, My child? Why do all lament about you? What have you gained? YOGINI: Not anything I do. [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: Than what, why do you pay for it? You pay for something where you do not gain anything? What have you got? YOGINI: I have not gained anything. Shri Mataji: Hmm? What? What have you gained? YOGINI: I feel a so much more relaxed person, I feel so a much more tolerant person … Shri Mataji: You are not at all relaxed, how do you feel you are relaxed. I can show you just now you are not at all relaxed. YOGINI: I must say it’s a bit cold. [Yogis laughing] Shri Mataji: You are not at all relaxed, I must say. Find out. There is now a different thought. YOGINI: Hmm? Shri Mataji: You have to take life as it is. You see? This is not the way you can [INDIST.] but it will happen. You see, when you will have all the bangs, you might be a beginner or something, then the bangs will start you will come to you. You must understand where you are going by the path on which people have fallen and faltered into … See, the man, is the man who tried has been hurt, the person who is the bang must understand and understand for himself. If these are not so, it is not working, it is not wise. You must learn from the people who are gone ahead and have faltered. If you do not learn from them, then you are not wise. Do go ahead, have a nice time there and then come back to Me. I may be available, will be … Why are you supporting? I don’t understand? How much money you want to pay now for this country? I have seen how it works. It’s better for you all, I do not know who else, every body know that. You cannot sell Gods Love and another thing, it must relate to something. After all you must know that when a tree comes up for blossoming time it had a seat, it had roots, it had trees, branches, then it came up, it has flowers and now the fruits are there. All right? It must have a big tree behind. And the whole thing should be related to each other. Unless and until you are related to the whole you cannot understand. Yogi: This is all very important, so what will be … YOGINI: This is what we heard before? Yes. Yogi: … we have talked a lot over this. [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: What goal are you related to, if you are related to a goal, what should happen? That you should be able to tell about another part. For example, you see our hand is, our body is old. See now, see now – because you cannot ask him this question, but you should ask Me. It is a good idea. But don’t waste your energies to much of doing that. You cannot ask any questions to Me, you are not told anything. He doesn’t know, tell you anything, what’s or ever, all right, it doesn’t matter if I tell you. See, We are the whole – all right? Your body is all right. If I get a pinch here I know, My body knows. Another hand goes and helps you. If you are the whole – did you ever feel that we are about each other? But here see now, he was there, everybody says right is catching, left is catching. Yesterday you didn’t feel any vibrations. And he, everybody was telling Me about you. Today if I tell you, he is telling about you. And everybody says the same. How are you connected to the whole? That’s talking, it’s different, this is actualization I am saying. Talk, talk, talk, talk. We have had too much. Aren’t you satisfied with that? What has happened to you? That’s the main point. ANOTHER Yogi: One Yogi, ah who for some time did T.M., told me that – ah – this is non Sahaji - was a great carrot stigma, they always kept a carrot on the front. Shri Mataji: What? Yogi: Carrot and stigma. ANOTHER Yogi: Carrots and stigmas. They all are saying … ANOTHER Yogi: Carrot. ANOTHER Yogi: … a carrot. Like what we put before a donkey, to keep donkey moving and he would say – hmm – TM helps you to find that siddhis you cannot get, so you can do this, do that. So we all followed to get siddhis. But no results, accept this feeling bad, lethargic and working other people, hmm and this ridiculous flying thing. They are not flying at all. ANOTHER Yogi: Not a bit, they have [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: linkest] one. ANOTHER Yogi: And you do just – ah – remember? Because Gyanadev’ … ANOTHER Yogi: I do no more. ANOTHER Yogi: He was talking. Now Gyanadev started with the new courses for manifesting … Shri Mataji: This …? ANOTHER Yogi: Manifesting apples out of your hands and things. Quiet for that what turns on. And you paid another fifteen-hundred pounds [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: and after sitting in] …. ANOTHER Yogi: In, in – ah - what’s gonna be the end of it? Say! Shri Mataji: Go ahead! And you can’t get apples otherwise in the market? ANOTHER YOGI/TM-MAN: I want to say that my, my interpretation of such things as known is that is a physical manifestation of a material truth, it isn’t the apple that’s much of this, it’s the fact that we don’t know, we are not interested to do things like that. May be itself doesn’t made it to no consequences. Now this flying in itself, but it just teach you that those things are possible. Shri Mataji: He - I tell you – he won’t do any magic personally, the one who teaches magic, all right? He teaches you all these things, he can even get a billion out of your head. It is not difficult. You see, that’s what he is going to do with you, but that doesn’t matter, what I am saying you should see to the main point. I mean if you are people who are really of a superior type and you think of one thing, what is the interest of God in giving you apples like that? Is that the thing He is going to give you? What do you think of God to be? What are you asking? TM-MAN: Is it not the proof that all things are possible? Shri Mataji: What is possible? TM-MAN: Just something, it is an instant perhaps. Shri Mataji: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: no things are] ANOTHER Yogi: Now has anyone, do you know … TM-MAN: Yes. ANOTHER Yogi: … is limited ANOTHER Yogi: You see in anybody why … TM-MAN: What I heard, that you have the authority? [Yogis laughing] Shri Mataji: All right. You see, this is, even if the river [INDIST.] ANOTHER Yogi: Now I told you, I was on the first course ever in Switzerland and we were told – all right? – that there were people lamenting and it was on the Video-tape. So much about that. TM-MAN: [INDIST.] Yogi: I could tell you things that would make your hair stand up right away. TM-MAN: But not whatever is you rather talked about it. ANOTHER Yogi: Exactly. Shri Mataji: That’s it. ANOTHER Yogi: But why? Shri Mataji: Apart from that you see if you are possessed. And the other day I tell you there was a lady who got possessed. She started saying all kinds of things to Me. In possession you don’t know what you talk. You see, any possessed person, you go and see the lunatics, they are possessed, how they do talk. You don’t understand what they are saying. You are possessed. That’s how they manage it, is it not if, if somebody hypnotizes the person, you see, you can make him a little child. And you can give a bottle and the person, such a big person, like sixty years old person starts sucking the bottle. Have you not seen Hitler hypnotizing? It’s just the same. It’s just hypnosis. Another is your ignorance, you see, which he has used. Complete ignorance, you have no knowledge of Indian life or Indian things. He has to pay money to Indians to go to him – just to show that he has some Indian disciples. Yogi: I mean, you can’t honestly say in what level of truth within yourself that you can actually … Shri Mataji: …find. Yogi: … fly. I mean, if the ego is going to be hurt, something incredible, you got a method to yourself. Shri Mataji: Rather difficult. TM-MAN: But no longer, not just to me, I fly a lot to it. Shri Mataji: Towards the same? ANOTHER Yogi: In their methods it doesn’t matter to them very much. TM-MAN: Because it’s the manifestation it seems to me. ANOTHER Yogi: Never the same. They lie. TM-MAN: Just don’t think … ANOTHER Yogi: What is the manifestation of a lie? ANOTHER Yogi: What is the manifestation of them? Not a [INDIST.] TM-MAN: We all know for instance that in, in – ah – everyday-terms it is impossible for a person to [SOUNDS LIKE: agitate] - we know that in everyday ordinary ignorant terms. Shri Mataji: What is it? TM-MAN: But apparently some people can prove. I don’t know, you [INDIST.], I know. YOGINI: I thought there was some … Yogi: [INDIST.] YOGINI: Some are taking so whatever they can. Shri Mataji: You see, don’t listen to rumors. YOGINI: How that? TM-MAN: That is well. Shri Mataji: Would you pay for rumors something? Yogi: But that’s not about rumors. Shri Mataji: Why do you pay for rumors? TM-MAN: But I am not going to. Shri Mataji: That’s what [INDIST.] now. You see what I am saying. If somebody has sent you, all right, forgive. TM-MAN: Yes. Shri Mataji: All right. You must, that’s what it is. That’s why they have come up so much, but I tell you they are first class people. They way they have done it, I must say My hats off to their sincerity. The way they are admitting it is a great thing and for you to open your eyes now to see for yourself. Yogi: Maharshi [INDIST.] says, Shri Mataji, shall I tell him about Maharshi’s attitude to women? Shri Mataji: You better tell. TM-MAN: The attitude to what? ANOTHER Yogi: To my wife. TM-MAN: M-hm. ANOTHER Yogi: We wanna hear you all, please. ANOTHER Yogi: But – I am, I will not proscribe, I was one of the chiefs of the movement, I was national leader in various countries. My wife has been initiated for twelve years. My wife was slept, you could say raped by Maharishi in sixty-nine. She got pregnant, she aborted it. I can name at least seven women that he has slept. They did, believe me … Shri Mataji: At least [INDIST.] Yogi: … more than I could tell you, which would make your hair stand on their head. TM-MAN: I would not strain any more. YOGINI: You can’t [INDIST.] TM-MAN: [INDIST.] it was volantly [voluntarily ?], these abuses ANOTHER Yogi: What? YOGINI: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: He carried on finding, but he don’t find at all.] ANOTHER YOGINI: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Do you want to tell more?]. ANOTHER Yogi: Why, because I honestly and did there honestly believe that Maharshi would help her. YOGINI: Ah, do you know? Shri Mataji: You see they put him on a pedestal, because they are all ver-, you are all very simple people, are very simple people, you see, and if somebody knows how to make a show you can be befooled. Even the cleverest of Indians were befooled once like that. You see, We had one man, he was a different type of a person, he came to India saying that he has lots of money in the foreign currency, this, that and is a very big Doctor, he called himself Doctor [INDIST.]. Of all the persons, of Prime-Minister Jawaharlal Nehru whom you know, is a very great man and a great person and nobody can believe that he could be befooled. He and his wife befooled him so much that they gave him, you won’t believe, three hundred Crores of rupees, three hundred Crores of rupees, without even finding what sort of a man he was. Can you imagine? And this man started a shipping company, but he was a cheat, you see? Even with that money he could have managed very well, if he had some sense. But he started cheating and he was found out in two years from now. Then he was put in jail. They had to freeze all the assets, but nobody could believe that a person like … even our prime-minister today went for the inauguration with that fellow. If you read his story you will be shocked. Indians are very clever here, that way, because you see they are quite cunning, they can, as they can cheat others, they know more who cheats them. You see, one better than the other, We can say, but even in India, in that country when easily people are not cheated. You can do something else to them, but cheating is difficult. You can overpower them with your guns or something, but you cannot cheat them. In cunningness they are very clever. And they were cheated and they believed into it till yesterday. Imagine, when he came out of the jail he threatened somebody and something and he [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: did not really care far away from it.] Can you imagine? And he, there are so many like that. TM-MAN: Is everything that he says correct, so said the Maharshi, even to persons as he says. What did he want – ah - learn to meditate, they were asked to [INDIST.] a thought, so it’s not to give a Mantra away and he had great words, like you do. He has asked him about the mantra. He filled secretly proud, that these people who had given one promise stupidly one man, it’s a great [INDEST.] they are terribly easily to You on the other day. Shri Mataji: What does he say? ANOTHER Yogi: What he is saying is this, to the, the felt proud because someone may have promised to someone on one day. They should easily break it, or give it up to [INDIST.] another time. Shri Mataji: If you are made a promise to a crook you should. It doesn’t matter even to tell Me or not. These are not Mantras, nor anything, but I tell you what - TM-MAN: I don’t think it matters particularly, I just find it quiet surprising now that You who is, who, who is helping to show the way to enlightenment should talk by making people, or not making but asking people to break promises they have made. Shri Mataji: Of course, you have made a promise to a devil I should not ask you? Oh I feel, see, you must understand that promise that is made to God is a promise and not made to a crook. For example, I’ll give an idea. This is a thing – you have lost your discrimination. Discrimination should be like this, for example it is nice to tell you the truth, all right? You must tell the truth. This was said by – long time back – one, one of our earliest writers, that he said that truth must be said and the, you must also tell, say something that is very, very appeasing and appealing, that is called as priya. He means say the satya and the priya. Then Krishna came and people asked Him, how do You combine this, because if you say something that is truth-full may hurt others, they will not like it, it may not be priya, it’s not priya, You see. So Krishna said, there is a difference. You must understand with discrimination between the two. Say now something is, I tell you may not be today very much appreciable to you, but it is the truth. It will be appreciated by your spirit. So what did He say? Satyam vade, means, say the truth. Then He said the second sentence, hitam vade, in-between the two He said, hitam vade and priyam vade. So that means, you must say something which is for the well-being of your spirit. So ultimately it also becomes good and pleasing. Today you may not like what I am saying, but it will be pleasing you. Now discrimination sometimes you need. Now very simple: You see, I have lost that sense. That’s what they do, by possession. For example, “always tell the truth” is a thing everybody understands. Now somebody is coming with a tiger, say to kill you. He comes and asks Me, Mother where is that fellow I want to kill. Shall I tell him, he is there? Tell Me. You should not! TM-MAN: I don’t really think that – Shri Mataji: All right, I tell you – TM-MAN: [INDIST.] on, on, on what I am talking about. Shri Mataji: This is absolute detached, because you are not understanding it. Now what I am saying, what should I tell you, why should I not tell him? The reason is, it is called as [INDIST.], means it is un-authorized. He is not authorized to ask Me. He is not authorized to ask Me, that where is the person. Now as you have come to Me for this thing your chakras make no difference, till you get your realization. And why I asked you? I would like to see how much you are still identified with him. If you are identified with him, I cannot do anything about you, because evil is evil, good is good. TM-MAN: Can I take your followers, who have a great deal of moral sense, for two minutes in the garden? Shri Mataji: They have much more moral sense than anyone of you. TM-MAN: [INDIST.] which You make to break their words. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Your idea of morality is very different. It is not a morality of the [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: tuggs]. The [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: tuggs] can combine together and keep – you see – promises. TM-MAN: I don’t think it makes, I don’t think at this stage it matters whether or not Maharshi is right or whether he isn’t. The fact, the matter is - Shri Mataji: Now that’s quite enough and that’s how it’s a fact – TM-MAN: No, not at all, if I make, if I make a promise I’ll stick by it, and I think it’s seems like a cheap trick, to want to get them on to break that promise. Shri Mataji: What cheap? You see, what am I getting by cheap tricks? What am I getting out of these cheap tricks, I mean when you say this cheap trick, I would like to know what am I getting out of these cheap trick, why should I do it? Cheap tricks are on him, to break a promise for him. TM-MAN: Possibly in the end I laugh – Shri Mataji: Hmm? TM-MAN: Possibly in the end I laugh, I got in the end a laugh. One paper [INDIST.] - Shri Mataji: You got it, you are not a judge, you are not a judge of Me. I do not think your laughter. An Idiot can laugh at someone, what can you do about it? It’s not the point. The point is what am I asking you, your Mantra you have bought, because once you give up your Mantra you give up your miss-identification. Otherwise I cannot help you. TM-MAN: Now possibly if You would have explained that before hundreds of reasons for giving up the Mantra, because that wasn’t explained in it, it just came out of people, quite easily. Shri Mataji: You see – TM-MAN: In other words, have there been an exploitation before hand , in an acquirement between two people whom you stop to meet them You – Shri Mataji: Now I tell you why - TM-MAN: - [INDIST.] stop to meet You. Shri Mataji: I did this when I started talking this Lady talking this and you are talking that. At least some who have got realization would not [INDIST.] also God knows. Because you are not talking, that’s somebody else talking through you and they are maneuvering it. At least I didn’t want to miss the chances of others. That is why I did not discuss. I always give a lecture, but this time I did not, because I know you are all going to talk and talk and talk. To that Maharshi how much did you talk and how much did he talk to you? But with Me you are taking all the liberties and saying all these things to Me. Why? Have I given you money? Why are you saying all these things to Me? YOGINI: [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: It’s a fact. TM-MAN: I said, the TM-Movement … Shri Mataji: Than why, you are – TM-MAN: [INDIST.] it is a right of men, it is a fact - Shri Mataji: Just ask Me. You have come here to take something from Me and you are talking all these things to Me. Did you say anything to that Maharshi-Yogi of yours. Why didn’t you ask Me? YOGINI: It’s not the debate you have. Shri Mataji: You see, you must understand it’s no question of debate and that’s why I didn’t want to talk, because I know that all of you would have talked. You see, this is it, that’s why I did not talk, because you think you are all very brainy people. The way you are befooled you must understand that. Not to feel hurt. He has really befooled you. Accept this fact and that is the reason you do not want to accept. Yogi: No ask for me. Shri Mataji: It’s all miss-identification. Yogi: We really have enough. ANOTHER Yogi: It’s all right. TM-MAN: Would You tell Me to me please, that when we have finished, with, with what things asked - Shri Mataji: You see, I will tell you a last word on Maharshi-Yogi. You see, I will tell you one thing, I am not interested in what you do with him or how you deal with him and how much you give to him. I’m not interested. TM-MAN: Hmm. Shri Mataji: I’m only interested in introducing you to yourself, to giving you realization. I have nothing to do with that man, but if you ask about him, I have to tell you the truth. TM-MAN: Hmm. Shri Mataji: You see I have nothing to do with him. You go ahead with him, you give all your money to him, when you are bankrupt, even then you’ll come, I will give you, all right? TM-MAN: Yes. Shri Mataji: But as far as he is concerned, if you ask me the question I will have to tell you the truth …. TM-MAN: I wasn’t going to ask about anything to do with TM …. Shri Mataji: Now you ask something else. TM-MAN: …. or Maharshi or anyone. Shri Mataji: …. because you see, I don’t want to …. TM-MAN: I want to ask something …. Shri Mataji: …. talk about him anymore. TM-MAN: No I don’t and this is why I …. Shri Mataji: All right, now tell Me, … TM-MAN: [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: … what is it you are asking? TM-MAN: A-ham, what is the thing that you are going to …. Shri Mataji: …. give you …. TM-MAN: …. Give and I remember the best, the nicest thing I have heard is that You are teaching us to relate to the people and to - ah - release of illness of all description, to help to do that any more … Shri Mataji: Of course. TM-MAN: Is it correct? Shri Mataji: You see now you must, you are talking that thing, what, what makes you sick, you must know, what makes you sick, why do you get sick, how are you made, what are your problems, what are you? All these things you have to understand. Not just to accept Me in the way you have accepted other nonsense, you see, and that is why I wanted you to open out, but if you have these Mantras, these Mantras are the names of devils and if you keep them with you, if I know them I know how to ban them. TM-MAN: Why have you not such meekly [??] for a Mantra. Shri Mataji: Because I could do that. I could do that. TM-MAN: Yes: Shri Mataji: But within, you see the problem is, so it is that he got the vibrations and everything, but I knew it, he is going to catch it again. And he catches, he catch Markandeya. You see, some people grow very fast, but some do not. They are mediocres you can say. You go on like this all the time. We have people who are so. Now We have thousands of people here. You can ask them. Some of them shot up like that. Now he is sitting here, he is from TM, Martin. How much time it took to settle down? Not because he is mediocre, because he went one to another to another to another … Now he is settled. You must understand what are we, what are our problems, what are we inside, what is our subtle being, how to raise it and how to do it. It was all right to give a lecture, otherwise I would have given you a big lecture, all right? Till you have argued with Me much more. There is only two persons actually who doing arguing on this point. But otherwise they would have been the whole thing, don’t you think so? [Shri Mataji laughs, then the Yogis too] He knows it, he knows that, because he is seeing something happen. You see, I wanted you to see for yourself. You see, if this thing is down, all right? And I tell you that in this school there are these things [INDIST.]. You are not going to believe, because you have freedom to argue with Me, you are not like you are with Maharshi or anyone of these. You have freedom. You are not going to believe Me when I tell you there are these things. It’s better to put the light on and show the person. All right? There could be some blind people, still, but at least you will know those who have eyes. The blind you can’t see each other, but at least those who have eyes can. Those who do not have eyes, we can open them later on, but at least eighty percent people will have eyes to see. All right? And another thing is people who would be here. You see their brain is over-active, they are in a speed, they are over-active. It is necessary to sooth their brain a little bit, their speed is to be reduced and then talk to them. They have to be tuned. [INDIST.] You will change, no doubt. Most of you will. How many will raise this I do not know, because I should say most of them should, because I have a feeling that England became people of very good, I feel that. I don’t know about the Americans, I haven’t seen many of them, but Indian TM-people are the worst. I could not give realization to one person in India who was from TM. Actually We were avoiding them. We never wanted them. You will be surprised how My disciples could stand outside, asking them, have you been to TM? They said yes. There is no program. One of them rang Me up. I said, no, there is program, I don’t know why. They said, Mother we don’t want to break our head. You see, they were working hard, We were not working hard, you saw that. You are doing nothing. Now you first of all change your attitude towards Me and Sahaja Yoga, but this is not a shop. And you are not bargaining for anything, more over it is a gift to you. If you want to have it, have it. Otherwise just don’t have it. [a Baby cries: da da da, the Yogis laugh, Shri Mataji to the baby: da da da.] TM-MAN: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: That was not my question at all.] Shri Mataji: Now in Sanskrit it means gift, [INDIST.] yes. In Sanskrit means gift: “da da da”. [aside:] Have you meet? I must say that, I am sorry for all that did happen and you are going to feel sorry also. As a Mother I, you don’t know how I feel … They are all My children, you don’t know how I feel But be wise, try to be wise. If you have no wisdom I cannot help you. That is one thing I cannot put into you, you have to be wise. On small things like that you slip off. I am here to give you the ocean and you are closing your eyes. Do you know even when a little thing goes into the eyes you cannot see the sky. Don’t do like that. I am not to gain anything out of you. Keep yourself open, you are going to be the looser, not Me. TM-MAN: I wasn’t really attacking you. Shri Mataji: Ah? TM-MAN: I wasn’t really attack- Shri Mataji: Nobody is attacked. TM-MAN: Now I was a bit closed, my eyes were very wide opened. Shri Mataji: Now the way you said, you see, what I am saying … TM-MAN: You are talking to TM, I could have attacked TM [INDIST.] and to me both of them are wrong, because they are going, a-ham, to [INDIST.LOOKS LIKE: Astemoon] [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: How many have you be, how many years have you been with TM. TM-MAN: Two years. Shri Mataji: Now how many times, how much time have you been with Me? TM-MAN: Tonight. Shri Mataji: Will you please have some patience? TM-MAN: Yes, yes. Shri Mataji: All right. Please sit down. Before that you will have some patience, all right? If it works out, well and good, if it doesn’t work out it’s all right. If you think you can go you can go. TM-MAN: I bought the [INDEST.] Shri Mataji: You better go, because you are spoiling every-bodies chances. TM-MAN: I am sorry, I am sorry … Shri Mataji: If you are disturbing everyone, you can go, … TM-MAN: All right. Shri Mataji: … that’s the best. TM-MAN: Okay. I must really say I appreciated what we have done [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Why should you say like that? TM-MAN: Because I really did, because [INDIST.] … Shri Mataji: You are disturbing for nothing at all, you don’t want to hear what I have to say. When are you going to give Me a chance? Here you are, you are saying I should have discussed. All ready it has around one hour has passed, you are not being satisfied talking about it. Now – Yogi: Just listen to Her. Shri Mataji: - nothing for you to open. Why don’t you keep quiet for a while? Yogi: Just listen to Her answers. Shri Mataji: Just listen for a [INDIST.] Yogi: Please, bitte. TM-MAN: I am doing. Yogi: Yeah, just listen. Shri Mataji: You can’t, TM-MAN: I just answer - Shri Mataji: You better go out for a while. TM-MAN [angry:] I go out, I really! Was it that. YOGIS: He can getting a tab. [Yogis laugh] Shri Mataji: That’s better. [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: All the children have to be asked.] [INDIST.] He will be all right. Nothing at all, you see, what I am saying. He got his realization, he got his vibrations and some sense else. [INDIST.] This is the position, you see now, where are you and where are they. You see, I told you, that will be a [INDIST.] All of them are not going on the same level. It doesn’t matter. So, let’s talk of something else, all right? [Shri Mataji laughs] That’s how we stand. [aside:] Put your hand here, you see this [INDIST.] the right has to be moved. You can get in one hand – tell Me, all right. Come along! Ha ha! It’s gone. YOGIS: [various INDIST.] Shri Mataji: All right, you give one [INDIST.] You see, we clean ourselves, ourselves, all right? And our self can be cleansed. Let it, just keep your [INDIST.] I could not take out your watch, [INDIST.] all right? Just listen! You see, if it does not work out, it does not work out. If he comes up, you will be surprised, My two daughters are not yet realized, My own daughters are not. What can I do, what – you see, it is a thing that has to work out, if it works out very good, if it not works out – time! What can you do about it? You see, We can only try to work it out, try to cooperate, that’s all. It is a gift of God, it’s a grace of God, it has to come into you. If it works, well, if it does not work, then you cannot blame Me for that. Now you should blame yourself. Try to – this is what you are seeking. YOGIS: [INDIST.] [Yogis laugh] The children are [INDIST.] [Yogis laugh again] Shri Mataji: They know how to manage, these children know it better. They said, why bother Mataji, let’s [INDIST.] go on! [Shri Mataji laughs] It’s all right. Yogi: I mean it, I need a lot more communication. YOGIS: I agree. I agree with you. Shri Mataji: You just have patience, all right. Again the same thing I tell you, you have been with Me and you follow one hour or two hours, all right? You did something, it’s a very fast subject that I am going to give you, the complete, the most secret, the most human talk, all right? Come along. But one attitude, again I am telling you, that you are doing it for your own wealth. All right? Secondly that - when you want - you should change your attitude, that you are going to a market. It’s not a market, it is not a selling any things here and instead of I be with you, actually you are with Me. That has to change next, all right? So try to understand this point. This is what it is. Say if I am a divine Person, then you have to please the divine Person. The Divinity is not going to fall at your feet, all right? You understand that? And when you understand that, then you can go further. You see, if you go to any Guru, real Guru in India, first they will hang you by your neck, then by your legs and [Shri Mataji laughs] till they reached you with a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: paper, cinta they call it], you see and they will not allow you to come near there. Anybody who comes, they throw the stones. They’ll go on torturing till they find you are absolutely ready they will not agree. Me, I am different, I am a Mother, I teach you and understand you. Apart from anything, the greatest desire is to save you people. All right? Have you got this chart here or something to talk at night? If you go to the [INDIST.] I will tell you. Yogi: It’s all right. OTHER YOGIS: [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: Who is there? What’s he saying? Yogi: [INDIST.] agreement. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. ANOTHER Yogi: Now I must sit here with my feet towards you and I [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: All right, there is the protocol. Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Say now, supposing if I am Christ, you have to be respect-full, you see? Something because of that type I [INDIST.]. Supposing they do that, it has an effect, all right? But you have to be respect-full. So here it is, now can, have a look at it. [INDIST.]. Now turn round a little, I will tell, now, come along, see for yourself, isn’t? Here it is. You can put the other way round, yes. See now, this – ah – picture is here of you which shows what you are, all ready and how much you are developed up to the human level. This is the human being as it is to Me, all right? Now these are the subtle centers within you. Now if these centers are in within you or not you can see with your naked eyes. When the Kundalini moves you can see them moving. You can even see the pulsation of the Mother Kundalini. In certain cases you see them very clearly when there is obstruction. Now which is the Kundalini - [aside: INDIST.] sit here! - is that you see a coiled thing that is the Kundalini. Now what is this Kundalini? This is a renew, a germinated force within us, which gives us the second birth, which connects us to the whole. Like as every instrument has a coil you see which connects it to the mains, in the same way God has placed His residual consciousness within us and that triangular bone for our re-birth. Now this has got, if you see there are seven centers: one – two – three – four – five – six – seven centers, which are the subtle centers within us and they give manifestation to the gross plexuses which we know in the medical science. Moreover if you see for the left-hand side, the blue line, it represents the aspect of the existence within us. That is also aspect of God. And when this aspect is shut off, there is destruction. The other side, if you see is the yellow line which gives us the aspect of creativity, of our mental activity and physical activity. Now both these aspects are represented outside in the gross. These are the subtle points. These are the undercovers by the left-hand side sympathetic nervous system and the other one by the right-hand side sympathetic nervous system. Now our evolution up to the point you are is shown by the white line that is there in the center. Now the central line is called as Sushumna, which represents, which manifests outside in the gross as parasympathetic nervous system. All right? So we have three systems within us, one is the left-side one, which gives us existence, the right-side one which gives us mental and physical being and the central one which gives us our evolutionary state, for which we have evolved. Now we must think why we have evolved from amoeba to this stage as a human being? Now if you are evolved with some purpose there must be some purpose for us to be [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: unfolded]. As we are not yet perfected we have not known our meaning, we are you can say confused and worried. So there must be some method God must have planted within us to be that. It must be His plan, has to be, because if He has created this creation, He is not going to destroy it. So now what is that thing that is within us is this, the Kundalini, this residual force which is placed in the triangular bone, which rises, passing through all the chakras and pierces through the brain which we call baptism in the Christianity, that is the fontanel bone here and then it enters, our attention enters into the subtle being that we are, by which we get connected with each other. Now you can turn your faces I tell you, you can turn your faces. You all are like say birds and there is a string going through Me, but you cannot feel the string, you are on the bird, your attention is on the bird. So supposing by any chance it happens, it’s a happening, you, your attention goes onto the string – then you can pass into every-bodies bird. In the same way the collective consciousness is established within you. It’s not talking, it’s not lecturing, it is happening, it’s actualization which is being promised long time back, that you are going to get your own self-realization, that you are going to be the fruits and that you are going to be one with the whole is being promised by all the religions and all the scriptures. Now why these religions look so separate, because the integrating point was not there, otherwise they are all flowers on the same tree. And they are taken away by the people, they say, this is my religion, this is my religion. So they become dead and ugly, that’s how the religions are formed, you see? But the basic point is that all the great incarnations, who came on this Earth, exist within us from all these centers. Now let’s start from down below, all right? The lowest point is the center called as Mooladhara Chakra. Now what is Mooladhara? Moola means the root. It is the support, support of the root and what is the root - is the Kundalini. So this support of the root lies below, below the Kundalini and this is the one that manifests the pelvic plexus within us which also controls sex. Now this center doesn’t play any role in Kundalini piercing, what you call [SOUNDS LIKE: chaida], it just lies there dormant down below and looking after the protocol of the Kundalini. On it resides the Deity of Ganesha, who is the embodiment of innocence. There, from there the innocence comes forward. Now He, this Ganesha has incarnated on this Earth as Jesus Christ. He is the One who is the embodiment of innocence and is the highest, the purest Incarnation. The reason is, because His body was also made of the principle of Brahma, means principle of, say, what should I say, from Brahmadeva [SOUNDS LIKE: what should I say] principle of divine Power, I say, for the time yet, because to that I will come to that later on, what this Brahma-Tattwa is, all right? Now that is the principle, is, He is the embodiment of that. That’s why His body was resurrected. Now this is a very important Chakra, because this is the center where the innocence is there. Now see what this Mahesha means to Me, now when We come to this center. To Me He is the jump of [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: arya], Him is the jump of [INDIST.SOUDS LIKE: arya]. Now the center of, this center is that important making your seat, so you jump on your seat. So basically that is the force, that is the force of Kundalini. If that Chakra is harmed then it’s very difficult to raise the Kundalini. So first you do is to finish that. You see, the chances of your realization will be reduced by so many, he had this problem. He had this problem. So many of you had, he had this problem. Who else was there? Yogi: Kate. Shri Mataji: [INDIST.] Yogi: Hmm. Shri Mataji: He had this, they all had this problem. There was another gentleman whom I remember very badly who made it hard to bring it up. All right? So this – ah what’s the gentleman, on the left-hand side he is sitting, or the one who was your friend … Yogi: You mean Peter. ANOTHER Yogi: Peter [INDIST.]. YOGINI: It’s Peter who just came up so. Shri Mataji: [INDIST.] He had that problem, very bad. I don’t know, he must have jumped too much. Perhaps he [INDIST.] for that, that’s all right, but now it’s better. So what I am saying, now to hit up on that center which is the basis of your divinity, innocence. See the subtle attacks he has made, all right? So – and then their Kundalini is waiting there for the moment to rise. Now the other centers are also there. The green center, you see, is in the center here. It’s, it manifests the solar plexus within us. The solar plexus looks after all these areas on the stomach, physically and mentally it looks after other things. Like say, if you are a fanatic, it is spoiled, if you are a fanatic it is spoiled. If you starve too much, fast too much, it is spoiled. If you eat too much also, any extreme you do, it gets spoiled. It is also spoiled, you see, all the Ten Commandments that we have in the Bible are represented by these ten petals that are there. You see? Around that, is that area where actually it exists in the stomach of God, we can say, this is the Bhavasagara. This is what we have to cross, you see, there is a Void, from there to there is a Void and this we have to cross. And this is the thing which is crossed by the Kundalini-awakening. Now what happens that around that, that water-like thing that you see there, you see that is the one where ten, the primordial Masters were born, gurus, primordial gurus. Now they were incarnated of innocence of all this ten aspects and they were incarnated on this Earth, say from Abraham, Moses, then we had Mohammed Sahib we can say, and we have Shirdi Sai Nath, then Nanaka, Janaka, all these people incarnated as Gurus. Now what do they do? They, they, they give you sustenance, they give you sustenance. Now sustenance is, is, for human beings is different, for animals it’s different. For example now this is gold, all right? What is the sustenance of gold, is that it is untarnished, it cannot tarnish, you see? What is the sustenance of carbon, that is a valency, you see, it is just tetravalent, all right? In the same way, what is the sustenance of human beings? That’s these Ten Commandments which, according to us, have to stay intact. If you miss that, then you’ll get spoiled. Human beings can catch if you loose these sustenance, all right? So this is what is religion, if you can follow, because –the English word I don’t know – but the Sanskrit-word “religion” comes to us from a word known as “dharayeti sa dharma”, means “the one which is sustained”, is the dharma, is the religion, that sustains us, by which we become human. By which we become animals is the ani-, is the dharma of the animals. By which we become human beings, is our sustenance. And this sustenance is maintained by the Gurus in that area and they look after us, they are born again and again, again and again to tell us about it. Then, people might say, what’s wrong in drink? Why did Mohammed Sahib said: do not drink, Nanaka has said, Moses said that you should not drink. Why He did this? Now there is a reason which you cannot stop it. If I tell you, don’t drink, you cannot drink. I give you a very good reason for that, absolutely scientific, absolutely scientific, but you won’t stop. So what should I do? You see which is the other way is, why do you drink? First of all I should find out the reason for it. I find out the reason that because you get bored, that’s why. So because you do not want to face the reality, you have an escape. So I do it in such a way that you say face the reality. Once you face the reality, which is so beautiful, you start enjoying it, you don’t even remember that you have to drink. People have to remind you and when you drink you get a stomach-pain, so you just don’t drink. Automatically you do not drink. You are not to be told, that you don’t do this, you don’t do that. That’s not necessary. Just by raising your Kundalini it can work. Now all these Sahaja Yogis who are here used to drink, used to take drugs. They had given up their jobs, you are supposed to be seeking. Now they are perfectly all right, they have given up drinks, they are enjoying themselves, they have given many Realization, they are curing people. So this can be done if your sustenance is put right. All right? [GAP in the audio] … which is decided by Shri Krishna and there are sixteen petals, which means we have got sixteen sub-plexus which look after our nose, our eyes, our ears, our throat, our [INDIST.] the joints and the tongue and all that and also that. So this Vishuddhi is a very important thing, because it’s all our face, Vishuddhi is all our face. Now if your left Vishuddhi is catching that means that there is something wrong with your idea about yourself, that you are suffering from a kind of a guilt, maybe, or maybe that your relationship about your sister, or the sublime relationships you are not sure about it. You do not, say for example a person has a bad Vishuddhi. Sometimes it maybe that he is having a bad time with his Sister. He is not treated very well. You see your sisters, can you imagine, your sisters to [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: cry sometimes] and if you have a bad time with your sister this can work out. If you just say that I, I, I love my sister – finished, it comes all right. With very – Yogi: How about the brother? Shri Mataji: Ah? A brother is, brother is right heart, right heart, the brother is right heart. For mother is heart and father is also right heart. You see, brother is right heart and this is, left is – ah – sister. And also this points [Shri Mataji shows] brother, but I won’t say it is so much as brother as here [Shri Mataji shows]. You see it is a very [INDIST.] way, because your elder brother you can feel it in the right heart and the younger brother here [Shri Mataji shows]. It’s quiet, in details if you go it’s very interesting to see all these relations be in such a [INDIST.] way. Why? Because you have chosen them. When you are born you choose your father, mother, everyone, you choose all of them. That’s how family is very important, but the way the families are today, you see, I can’t even tell for example if I have to tell him, you will tell Me, no, no, my father is a very bad man and he does this, he does this, he does …. You see the whole system is spoiled because of the Dharma, because of the Religion, you see? A father doesn’t understand his duties as a father. The son doesn’t understanding his duties as a son. You see, who had asked you to go experimenting with everything. They have also experimented with family-life. With everything they have, be on our own, children are on their own. Now if you are on your own you are cancer, you have a cancer within you. How? Because the cell which becomes on its own has no relationship with the whole, is a cancer, say, is a malignant, say. Say – ah – say loyal is there Nabhi, they can’t understand, supposing somebody says, I’m on my own, I don’t observe any laws. All right, you better go to jail. That’s what it is. In the same way when we start doing all these things without relating ourselves to the whole, we commit all these mistakes and by which we spoil our chakras. Now this Chakra that is in the centre is, is on the cross of – We can say the, where the optic nerves cross each other, We can say optic – hmm – chiasma as it is called. On that point it is a very subtle center, which controls your ego and superego, as you can see it … all right. And it controls your eye-sight at the back. Now he had, say ah, a weak back because of his eye-sight you can see that here [Shri Mataji shows], and this weakness, you see, was stopping the Kundalini. First the Kundalini was sublime there, you will get up a much better eye-sight and even not Me it is backed out, come, because the light when it will start spreading here it will be absolutely a different point. I give you an example of this man, you see, he wrote a [INDIST.] of area, he was suffering from cancer and I shouldn’t tell you, but I did cure him and he [INDIST.] cured. The secretary was here early, he told Me another story when I went to his house, the Presidents house and this first secretary told Me there is one boy who, one girl, she is gone blind, because there was fire in the house, you can say her eyes opened out, her eyes are open but she is absolutely blind and she cannot see and she just sees downwards. So I said all right, that’s it, let’s have a look at her. She came down and what I found when she saw the fire some spirit went into her, because she got a fright. So that was all setting down. Just as sure as you have a light, just like this she looses her fright. There was light in My head and in My hand and the girl started looking. Because she saw the stripes on my hat, you see, she was very innocent child, when she saw this [INDIST.] was there. And then she said I can see it and she was absolutely cured, hundred percent. There are many cures like that, but what I am trying to say, that it is only possible if you have a light yourself. Supposing you are not enlightened, then how can I enlighten another candle? So that’s why I said, first of all get enlightened. Then we talk about it. All right? Otherwise there would have been at least [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: cowing] numbers, I can’t say. But at least eleven numbers are, I say we mean, are [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: delated]. I have to deal with only two person and I couldn’t sell it one, but another one did came to Me, thank God. So you see that one, that is what, this was, I would never had another talking, all would have talked so much that there would have been no talk. So I said, better let them find it, because it’s a better idea so that I can talk to them and have some [INDIST.] all right. So this is the Chakra which We have got here [Shri Mataji shows], it is, which is in the center, which manifests at the back and in-front. Now in-front this manifests where you have got a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: trunk]. Actually it can’t be [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: called] a center We should say and this one is the Kartikeya, that is one of His powers. So Christ has come at this center and if he pierces from here than He is in the center, on the optic chiasma [INDIST.] there. He came here because He said, I am the gate. That is the gate, you can see that, He is on the gate. And She came here to show how to cross the gate. So His resurrection is this [INDIST.] chakra. That means you all can be resurrected. He had made the gate for us and we are all going to be resurrected through that gate. He didn’t say, I am the destination. He said, I am the path and I am the gate, I am the door. But He is not the destination. Now where is the destination? Is there - disappears the darkness. This center is to be opened out and that is the Mothers job. And if that is done, then only you have a meaning, otherwise it has no meaning. Any work that is not completed has no meaning. In the same way you have no meaning, you don’t know why you are here. What is your meaning? Once that breaks properly then the vibrations start flowing through you, then you can see the manifestation. Within one minute you can start it, it’s a very moment, you, out of you something will started growing. And imagine, you can’t partake it, too much vibrations of yourself, because you know, as I told you, TM is a horrible thing, that you should know who this fellow is, but some of the people came. I was so horrid [INDIST.] and [INDIST.] point out, it would not add to it. It’s just odd, behaving like a wounded Mother, all kind of taking Her names, hate like [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: endorsing] is that, very unhappy. She is your own Mother! And She is the One who has lived with you all your lives, all your seeking. And She was just saying that I cannot come up and I am wounded. And there were [INDIST.] She looks wounded, and that’s how I came to meet this horrible fellow whom you know. I am not telling you any to befool you, if I tell you, he was shocked. He must have gone wounded [INDIST.] how to go back. So when he started with his Mantra may I started giving you realization to clear people. Otherwise you would have got caught up. And some of the Sahaja Yogis were very upset and they said, Mother what about these TM-people? They are very pity-full. What do I have to do? I said, I know. Now it is wisdom that you must seek God and then you come to Sahaja Yoga. Get your realization first! Do not just start talking about it, with your [INDIST.] guest. Get to it, learn it, I will tell you all the [INDIST.], everything I will tell you, every details about it. But now what his priority is, that also I will tell you. He takes you either to the right or to the left. With anyone, where will you [INDIST.]. Many here did sympathize. What happens others? Left-hand side is the subconscious area and beyond the subconscious area is your gate to sub-consciousness. There all these types you must try, horrible and bhoots and all that, they live there, there live everybody dissatisfied souls and they are all there. As soon as you cross over it gets over. Now the names that he had given are the names of the left-side bhoots hugged, that type of people are there. But with Christian names he has given all the left-side names which again all start to the left side and for the grown up people on the right-hand side, because when you are grown up, then your ego is developed and you start moving on the right-hand side. That’s why he has given you the other one. But it has only a meaning up to this, say for example [INDIST.] all right? So I move on the, this side from the line, but after I need not, this is the main thing, they [INDIST.] is true, the rest of them are nothing, but just bhoots. You tell people now for example, a Mantra [INDIST.] “you are raised up with pigs”, all right? It isn’t a Mantra of Chakras, it isn’t a Mantra of Deities, it isn’t a Mantra of Kundalini and whatever it has to do with a Mantra? Another thing and it is very simple to understand as I have told that before to you that supposing there is given a name or even one [INDIST.] say you go on saying: “Elisabeth, Elisabeth, Elisabeth”. It is too ridicule enough, you see? It’s a [INDIST.], finished. Now I am talking about the Queen of the world, Queen of the universe or say, King of the world, King of the universe and you say all: “Ram, Ram, Ram”. Is He your servant? Call Him what an [INDIST.] to call Him? You have not even entered into the Kingdom of God, you are just talking for this, sitting down here. Who will be coming from servant to that place. There could be a very light in the name Elisabeth. I can [INDIST.] Queen Elisabeth is not going to come running, unless and until if you are connected. If you call somebody there it’s a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: recombination] of servants, if you go there, you [INDIST.], all right? But you are beyond that, maybe there is God. So you have no authority to call Him, but again I say [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: a Mantra has a meaning] it has no meaning. All the Mantras have got a meaning, because [INDIST.] has a meaning. [INDIST.] But if there is no meaning it is evil, even [INDIST.] but they say nothing like you, no [INDIST.], nothing. In Sanskrit-language it is [INDIST.] very scientific, every [INDIST.] has a meaning. [INDIST.] without any mud, means [INDIST.]. Any name you take [INDIST.] has a meaning, every [INDIST.] has a meaning, everything has a meaning. It is never no meaning at all, that it has no meaning. Now he found out [INDIST.] has no meaning. At the most it [INDIST.] and the Kundalini rises, all right? [INDIST.] For example here it means [INDIST.] these are the sixteen and these are the sixteen petals there are, if you have any one of these spoiled, if you say with this [INDIST.] But why do you go to that? I think, even if it is later on [INDIST.], but what [INDIST.]

Talk, Questions and Answers, Leeds, UK - 18th of June 1979 Shri Mataji: […] Most of them. He has done three for you, I don’t know how we could do it. YOGINI: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Now we can do it perhaps just …] ANOTHER YOGINI: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: It’s also near, this fellow said, that we can’t do so …] Shri Mataji: Now what have you done, My child? Why do all lament about you? What have you gained? YOGINI: Not anything I do. [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: Than what, why do you pay for it? You pay for something where you do not gain anything? What have you got? YOGINI: I have not gained anything. Shri Mataji: Hmm? What? What have you gained? YOGINI: I feel a so much more relaxed person, I feel so a much more tolerant person … Shri Mataji: You are not at all relaxed, how do you feel you are relaxed. I can show you just now you are not at all relaxed. YOGINI: I must say it’s a bit cold. [Yogis laughing] Shri Mataji: You are not at all relaxed, I must say. Find out. There is now a different thought. YOGINI: Hmm? Shri Mataji: You have to take life as it is. You see? This is not the way you can [INDIST.] but it will happen. You see, when you will have all the bangs, you might be a beginner or something, then the bangs will start you will come to you. You must understand where you are going by the path on which people have fallen and faltered into … See, the man, is the man who tried has been hurt, the person who is the bang must understand and understand for himself. If these are not so, it is not working, it is not wise. You must learn from the people who are gone ahead and have faltered. If you do not learn from them, then you are not wise. Do go ahead, have a nice time there and then come back to Me. I may be available, will be … Why are you supporting? I don’t understand? How much money you want to pay now for this country? I have seen how it works. It’s better for you all, I do not know who else, every body know that. You cannot sell Gods Love and another thing, it must relate to something. After all you must know that when a tree comes up for blossoming time it had a seat, it had roots, it had trees, branches, then it came up, it has flowers and now the fruits are there. All right? It must have a big tree behind. And the whole thing should be related to each other. Unless and until you are related to the whole you cannot understand. Yogi: This is all very important, so what will be … YOGINI: This is what we heard before? Yes. Yogi: … we have talked a lot over this. [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: What goal are you related to, if you are related to a goal, what should happen? That you should be able to tell about another part. For example, you see our hand is, our body is old. See now, see now – because you cannot ask him this question, but you should ask Me. It is a good idea. But don’t waste your energies to much of doing that. You cannot ask any questions to Me, you are not told anything. He doesn’t know, tell you anything, what’s or ever, all right, it doesn’t matter if I tell you. See, We are the whole – all right? Your body is all right. If I get a pinch here I know, My body knows. Another hand goes and helps you. If you are the whole – did you ever feel that we are about each other? But here see now, he was there, everybody says right is catching, left is catching. Yesterday you didn’t feel any vibrations. And he, everybody was telling Me about you. Today if I tell you, he is telling about you. And everybody says the same. How are you connected to the whole? That’s talking, it’s different, this is actualization I am saying. Talk, talk, talk, talk. We have had too much. Aren’t you satisfied with that? What has happened to you? That’s the main point. ANOTHER Yogi: One Yogi, ah who for some time did T.M., told me that – ah – this is non Sahaji - was a great carrot stigma, they always kept a carrot on the front. Shri Mataji: What? Yogi: Carrot and stigma. ANOTHER Yogi: Carrots and stigmas. They all are saying … ANOTHER Yogi: Carrot. ANOTHER Yogi: … a carrot. Like what we put before a donkey, to keep donkey moving and he would say – hmm – TM helps you to find that siddhis you cannot get, so you can do this, do that. So we all followed to get siddhis. But no results, accept this feeling bad, lethargic and working other people, hmm and this ridiculous flying thing. They are not flying at all. ANOTHER Yogi: Not a bit, they have [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: linkest] one. ANOTHER Yogi: And you do just – ah – remember? Because Gyanadev’ … ANOTHER Yogi: I do no more. ANOTHER Yogi: He was talking. Now Gyanadev started with the new courses for manifesting … Shri Mataji: This …? ANOTHER Yogi: Manifesting apples out of your hands and things. Quiet for that what turns on. And you paid another fifteen-hundred pounds [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: and after sitting in] …. ANOTHER Yogi: In, in – ah - what’s gonna be the end of it? Say! Shri Mataji: Go ahead! And you can’t get apples otherwise in the market? ANOTHER YOGI/TM-MAN: I want to say that my, my interpretation of such things as known is that is a physical manifestation of a material truth, it isn’t the apple that’s much of this, it’s the fact that we don’t know, we are not interested to do things like that. May be itself doesn’t made it to no consequences. Now this flying in itself, but it just teach you that those things are possible. Shri Mataji: He - I tell you – he won’t do any magic personally, the one who teaches magic, all right? He teaches you all these things, he can even get a billion out of your head. It is not difficult. You see, that’s what he is going to do with you, but that doesn’t matter, what I am saying you should see to the main point. I mean if you are people who are really of a superior type and you think of one thing, what is the interest of God in giving you apples like that? Is that the thing He is going to give you? What do you think of God to be? What are you asking? TM-MAN: Is it not the proof that all things are possible? Shri Mataji: What is possible? TM-MAN: Just something, it is an instant perhaps. Shri Mataji: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: no things are] ANOTHER Yogi: Now has anyone, do you know … TM-MAN: Yes. ANOTHER Yogi: … is limited ANOTHER Yogi: You see in anybody why … TM-MAN: What I heard, that you have the authority? [Yogis laughing] Shri Mataji: All right. You see, this is, even if the river [INDIST.] ANOTHER Yogi: Now I told you, I was on the first course ever in Switzerland and we were told – all right? – that there were people lamenting and it was on the Video-tape. So much about that. TM-MAN: [INDIST.] Yogi: I could tell you things that would make your hair stand up right away. TM-MAN: But not whatever is you rather talked about it. ANOTHER Yogi: Exactly. Shri Mataji: That’s it. ANOTHER Yogi: But why? Shri Mataji: Apart from that you see if you are possessed. And the other day I tell you there was a lady who got possessed. She started saying all kinds of things to Me. In possession you don’t know what you talk. You see, any possessed person, you go and see the lunatics, they are possessed, how they do talk. You don’t understand what they are saying. You are possessed. That’s how they manage it, is it not if, if somebody hypnotizes the person, you see, you can make him a little child. And you can give a bottle and the person, such a big person, like sixty years old person starts sucking the bottle. Have you not seen Hitler hypnotizing? It’s just the same. It’s just hypnosis. Another is your ignorance, you see, which he has used. Complete ignorance, you have no knowledge of Indian life or Indian things. He has to pay money to Indians to go to him – just to show that he has some Indian disciples. Yogi: I mean, you can’t honestly say in what level of truth within yourself that you can actually … Shri Mataji: …find. Yogi: … fly. I mean, if the ego is going to be hurt, something incredible, you got a method to yourself. Shri Mataji: Rather difficult. TM-MAN: But no longer, not just to me, I fly a lot to it. Shri Mataji: Towards the same? ANOTHER Yogi: In their methods it doesn’t matter to them very much. TM-MAN: Because it’s the manifestation it seems to me. ANOTHER Yogi: Never the same. They lie. TM-MAN: Just don’t think … ANOTHER Yogi: What is the manifestation of a lie? ANOTHER Yogi: What is the manifestation of them? Not a [INDIST.] TM-MAN: We all know for instance that in, in – ah – everyday-terms it is impossible for a person to [SOUNDS LIKE: agitate] - we know that in everyday ordinary ignorant terms. Shri Mataji: What is it? TM-MAN: But apparently some people can prove. I don’t know, you [INDIST.], I know. YOGINI: I thought there was some … Yogi: [INDIST.] YOGINI: Some are taking so whatever they can. Shri Mataji: You see, don’t listen to rumors. YOGINI: How that? TM-MAN: That is well. Shri Mataji: Would you pay for rumors something? Yogi: But that’s not about rumors. Shri Mataji: Why do you pay for rumors? TM-MAN: But I am not going to. Shri Mataji: That’s what [INDIST.] now. You see what I am saying. If somebody has sent you, all right, forgive. TM-MAN: Yes. Shri Mataji: All right. You must, that’s what it is. That’s why they have come up so much, but I tell you they are first class people. They way they have done it, I must say My hats off to their sincerity. The way they are admitting it is a great thing and for you to open your eyes now to see for yourself. Yogi: Maharshi [INDIST.] says, Shri Mataji, shall I tell him about Maharshi’s attitude to women? Shri Mataji: You better tell. TM-MAN: The attitude to what? ANOTHER Yogi: To my wife. TM-MAN: M-hm. ANOTHER Yogi: We wanna hear you all, please. ANOTHER Yogi: But – I am, I will not proscribe, I was one of the chiefs of the movement, I was national leader in various countries. My wife has been initiated for twelve years. My wife was slept, you could say raped by Maharishi in sixty-nine. She got pregnant, she aborted it. I can name at least seven women that he has slept. They did, believe me … Shri Mataji: At least [INDIST.] Yogi: … more than I could tell you, which would make your hair stand on their head. TM-MAN: I would not strain any more. YOGINI: You can’t [INDIST.] TM-MAN: [INDIST.] it was volantly [voluntarily ?], these abuses ANOTHER Yogi: What? YOGINI: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: He carried on finding, but he don’t find at all.] ANOTHER YOGINI: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: Do you want to tell more?]. ANOTHER Yogi: Why, because I honestly and did there honestly believe that Maharshi would help her. YOGINI: Ah, do you know? Shri Mataji: You see they put him on a pedestal, because they are all ver-, you are all very simple people, are very simple people, you see, and if somebody knows how to make a show you can be befooled. Even the cleverest of Indians were befooled once like that. You see, We had one man, he was a different type of a person, he came to India saying that he has lots of money in the foreign currency, this, that and is a very big Doctor, he called himself Doctor [INDIST.]. Of all the persons, of Prime-Minister Jawaharlal Nehru whom you know, is a very great man and a great person and nobody can believe that he could be befooled. He and his wife befooled him so much that they gave him, you won’t believe, three hundred Crores of rupees, three hundred Crores of rupees, without even finding what sort of a man he was. Can you imagine? And this man started a shipping company, but he was a cheat, you see? Even with that money he could have managed very well, if he had some sense. But he started cheating and he was found out in two years from now. Then he was put in jail. They had to freeze all the assets, but nobody could believe that a person like … even our prime-minister today went for the inauguration with that fellow. If you read his story you will be shocked. Indians are very clever here, that way, because you see they are quite cunning, they can, as they can cheat others, they know more who cheats them. You see, one better than the other, We can say, but even in India, in that country when easily people are not cheated. You can do something else to them, but cheating is difficult. You can overpower them with your guns or something, but you cannot cheat them. In cunningness they are very clever. And they were cheated and they believed into it till yesterday. Imagine, when he came out of the jail he threatened somebody and something and he [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: did not really care far away from it.] Can you imagine? And he, there are so many like that. TM-MAN: Is everything that he says correct, so said the Maharshi, even to persons as he says. What did he want – ah - learn to meditate, they were asked to [INDIST.] a thought, so it’s not to give a Mantra away and he had great words, like you do. He has asked him about the mantra. He filled secretly proud, that these people who had given one promise stupidly one man, it’s a great [INDEST.] they are terribly easily to You on the other day. Shri Mataji: What does he say? ANOTHER Yogi: What he is saying is this, to the, the felt proud because someone may have promised to someone on one day. They should easily break it, or give it up to [INDIST.] another time. Shri Mataji: If you are made a promise to a crook you should. It doesn’t matter even to tell Me or not. These are not Mantras, nor anything, but I tell you what - TM-MAN: I don’t think it matters particularly, I just find it quiet surprising now that You who is, who, who is helping to show the way to enlightenment should talk by making people, or not making but asking people to break promises they have made. Shri Mataji: Of course, you have made a promise to a devil I should not ask you? Oh I feel, see, you must understand that promise that is made to God is a promise and not made to a crook. For example, I’ll give an idea. This is a thing – you have lost your discrimination. Discrimination should be like this, for example it is nice to tell you the truth, all right? You must tell the truth. This was said by – long time back – one, one of our earliest writers, that he said that truth must be said and the, you must also tell, say something that is very, very appeasing and appealing, that is called as priya. He means say the satya and the priya. Then Krishna came and people asked Him, how do You combine this, because if you say something that is truth-full may hurt others, they will not like it, it may not be priya, it’s not priya, You see. So Krishna said, there is a difference. You must understand with discrimination between the two. Say now something is, I tell you may not be today very much appreciable to you, but it is the truth. It will be appreciated by your spirit. So what did He say? Satyam vade, means, say the truth. Then He said the second sentence, hitam vade, in-between the two He said, hitam vade and priyam vade. So that means, you must say something which is for the well-being of your spirit. So ultimately it also becomes good and pleasing. Today you may not like what I am saying, but it will be pleasing you. Now discrimination sometimes you need. Now very simple: You see, I have lost that sense. That’s what they do, by possession. For example, “always tell the truth” is a thing everybody understands. Now somebody is coming with a tiger, say to kill you. He comes and asks Me, Mother where is that fellow I want to kill. Shall I tell him, he is there? Tell Me. You should not! TM-MAN: I don’t really think that – Shri Mataji: All right, I tell you – TM-MAN: [INDIST.] on, on, on what I am talking about. Shri Mataji: This is absolute detached, because you are not understanding it. Now what I am saying, what should I tell you, why should I not tell him? The reason is, it is called as [INDIST.], means it is un-authorized. He is not authorized to ask Me. He is not authorized to ask Me, that where is the person. Now as you have come to Me for this thing your chakras make no difference, till you get your realization. And why I asked you? I would like to see how much you are still identified with him. If you are identified with him, I cannot do anything about you, because evil is evil, good is good. TM-MAN: Can I take your followers, who have a great deal of moral sense, for two minutes in the garden? Shri Mataji: They have much more moral sense than anyone of you. TM-MAN: [INDIST.] which You make to break their words. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Your idea of morality is very different. It is not a morality of the [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: tuggs]. The [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: tuggs] can combine together and keep – you see – promises. TM-MAN: I don’t think it makes, I don’t think at this stage it matters whether or not Maharshi is right or whether he isn’t. The fact, the matter is - Shri Mataji: Now that’s quite enough and that’s how it’s a fact – TM-MAN: No, not at all, if I make, if I make a promise I’ll stick by it, and I think it’s seems like a cheap trick, to want to get them on to break that promise. Shri Mataji: What cheap? You see, what am I getting by cheap tricks? What am I getting out of these cheap tricks, I mean when you say this cheap trick, I would like to know what am I getting out of these cheap trick, why should I do it? Cheap tricks are on him, to break a promise for him. TM-MAN: Possibly in the end I laugh – Shri Mataji: Hmm? TM-MAN: Possibly in the end I laugh, I got in the end a laugh. One paper [INDIST.] - Shri Mataji: You got it, you are not a judge, you are not a judge of Me. I do not think your laughter. An Idiot can laugh at someone, what can you do about it? It’s not the point. The point is what am I asking you, your Mantra you have bought, because once you give up your Mantra you give up your miss-identification. Otherwise I cannot help you. TM-MAN: Now possibly if You would have explained that before hundreds of reasons for giving up the Mantra, because that wasn’t explained in it, it just came out of people, quite easily. Shri Mataji: You see – TM-MAN: In other words, have there been an exploitation before hand , in an acquirement between two people whom you stop to meet them You – Shri Mataji: Now I tell you why - TM-MAN: - [INDIST.] stop to meet You. Shri Mataji: I did this when I started talking this Lady talking this and you are talking that. At least some who have got realization would not [INDIST.] also God knows. Because you are not talking, that’s somebody else talking through you and they are maneuvering it. At least I didn’t want to miss the chances of others. That is why I did not discuss. I always give a lecture, but this time I did not, because I know you are all going to talk and talk and talk. To that Maharshi how much did you talk and how much did he talk to you? But with Me you are taking all the liberties and saying all these things to Me. Why? Have I given you money? Why are you saying all these things to Me? YOGINI: [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: It’s a fact. TM-MAN: I said, the TM-Movement … Shri Mataji: Than why, you are – TM-MAN: [INDIST.] it is a right of men, it is a fact - Shri Mataji: Just ask Me. You have come here to take something from Me and you are talking all these things to Me. Did you say anything to that Maharshi-Yogi of yours. Why didn’t you ask Me? YOGINI: It’s not the debate you have. Shri Mataji: You see, you must understand it’s no question of debate and that’s why I didn’t want to talk, because I know that all of you would have talked. You see, this is it, that’s why I did not talk, because you think you are all very brainy people. The way you are befooled you must understand that. Not to feel hurt. He has really befooled you. Accept this fact and that is the reason you do not want to accept. Yogi: No ask for me. Shri Mataji: It’s all miss-identification. Yogi: We really have enough. ANOTHER Yogi: It’s all right. TM-MAN: Would You tell Me to me please, that when we have finished, with, with what things asked - Shri Mataji: You see, I will tell you a last word on Maharshi-Yogi. You see, I will tell you one thing, I am not interested in what you do with him or how you deal with him and how much you give to him. I’m not interested. TM-MAN: Hmm. Shri Mataji: I’m only interested in introducing you to yourself, to giving you realization. I have nothing to do with that man, but if you ask about him, I have to tell you the truth. TM-MAN: Hmm. Shri Mataji: You see I have nothing to do with him. You go ahead with him, you give all your money to him, when you are bankrupt, even then you’ll come, I will give you, all right? TM-MAN: Yes. Shri Mataji: But as far as he is concerned, if you ask me the question I will have to tell you the truth …. TM-MAN: I wasn’t going to ask about anything to do with TM …. Shri Mataji: Now you ask something else. TM-MAN: …. or Maharshi or anyone. Shri Mataji: …. because you see, I don’t want to …. TM-MAN: I want to ask something …. Shri Mataji: …. talk about him anymore. TM-MAN: No I don’t and this is why I …. Shri Mataji: All right, now tell Me, … TM-MAN: [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: … what is it you are asking? TM-MAN: A-ham, what is the thing that you are going to …. Shri Mataji: …. give you …. TM-MAN: …. Give and I remember the best, the nicest thing I have heard is that You are teaching us to relate to the people and to - ah - release of illness of all description, to help to do that any more … Shri Mataji: Of course. TM-MAN: Is it correct? Shri Mataji: You see now you must, you are talking that thing, what, what makes you sick, you must know, what makes you sick, why do you get sick, how are you made, what are your problems, what are you? All these things you have to understand. Not just to accept Me in the way you have accepted other nonsense, you see, and that is why I wanted you to open out, but if you have these Mantras, these Mantras are the names of devils and if you keep them with you, if I know them I know how to ban them. TM-MAN: Why have you not such meekly [??] for a Mantra. Shri Mataji: Because I could do that. I could do that. TM-MAN: Yes: Shri Mataji: But within, you see the problem is, so it is that he got the vibrations and everything, but I knew it, he is going to catch it again. And he catches, he catch Markandeya. You see, some people grow very fast, but some do not. They are mediocres you can say. You go on like this all the time. We have people who are so. Now We have thousands of people here. You can ask them. Some of them shot up like that. Now he is sitting here, he is from TM, Martin. How much time it took to settle down? Not because he is mediocre, because he went one to another to another to another … Now he is settled. You must understand what are we, what are our problems, what are we inside, what is our subtle being, how to raise it and how to do it. It was all right to give a lecture, otherwise I would have given you a big lecture, all right? Till you have argued with Me much more. There is only two persons actually who doing arguing on this point. But otherwise they would have been the whole thing, don’t you think so? [Shri Mataji laughs, then the Yogis too] He knows it, he knows that, because he is seeing something happen. You see, I wanted you to see for yourself. You see, if this thing is down, all right? And I tell you that in this school there are these things [INDIST.]. You are not going to believe, because you have freedom to argue with Me, you are not like you are with Maharshi or anyone of these. You have freedom. You are not going to believe Me when I tell you there are these things. It’s better to put the light on and show the person. All right? There could be some blind people, still, but at least you will know those who have eyes. The blind you can’t see each other, but at least those who have eyes can. Those who do not have eyes, we can open them later on, but at least eighty percent people will have eyes to see. All right? And another thing is people who would be here. You see their brain is over-active, they are in a speed, they are over-active. It is necessary to sooth their brain a little bit, their speed is to be reduced and then talk to them. They have to be tuned. [INDIST.] You will change, no doubt. Most of you will. How many will raise this I do not know, because I should say most of them should, because I have a feeling that England became people of very good, I feel that. I don’t know about the Americans, I haven’t seen many of them, but Indian TM-people are the worst. I could not give realization to one person in India who was from TM. Actually We were avoiding them. We never wanted them. You will be surprised how My disciples could stand outside, asking them, have you been to TM? They said yes. There is no program. One of them rang Me up. I said, no, there is program, I don’t know why. They said, Mother we don’t want to break our head. You see, they were working hard, We were not working hard, you saw that. You are doing nothing. Now you first of all change your attitude towards Me and Sahaja Yoga, but this is not a shop. And you are not bargaining for anything, more over it is a gift to you. If you want to have it, have it. Otherwise just don’t have it. [a Baby cries: da da da, the Yogis laugh, Shri Mataji to the baby: da da da.] TM-MAN: [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: That was not my question at all.] Shri Mataji: Now in Sanskrit it means gift, [INDIST.] yes. In Sanskrit means gift: “da da da”. [aside:] Have you meet? I must say that, I am sorry for all that did happen and you are going to feel sorry also. As a Mother I, you don’t know how I feel … They are all My children, you don’t know how I feel But be wise, try to be wise. If you have no wisdom I cannot help you. That is one thing I cannot put into you, you have to be wise. On small things like that you slip off. I am here to give you the ocean and you are closing your eyes. Do you know even when a little thing goes into the eyes you cannot see the sky. Don’t do like that. I am not to gain anything out of you. Keep yourself open, you are going to be the looser, not Me. TM-MAN: I wasn’t really attacking you. Shri Mataji: Ah? TM-MAN: I wasn’t really attack- Shri Mataji: Nobody is attacked. TM-MAN: Now I was a bit closed, my eyes were very wide opened. Shri Mataji: Now the way you said, you see, what I am saying … TM-MAN: You are talking to TM, I could have attacked TM [INDIST.] and to me both of them are wrong, because they are going, a-ham, to [INDIST.LOOKS LIKE: Astemoon] [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: How many have you be, how many years have you been with TM. TM-MAN: Two years. Shri Mataji: Now how many times, how much time have you been with Me? TM-MAN: Tonight. Shri Mataji: Will you please have some patience? TM-MAN: Yes, yes. Shri Mataji: All right. Please sit down. Before that you will have some patience, all right? If it works out, well and good, if it doesn’t work out it’s all right. If you think you can go you can go. TM-MAN: I bought the [INDEST.] Shri Mataji: You better go, because you are spoiling every-bodies chances. TM-MAN: I am sorry, I am sorry … Shri Mataji: If you are disturbing everyone, you can go, … TM-MAN: All right. Shri Mataji: … that’s the best. TM-MAN: Okay. I must really say I appreciated what we have done [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Why should you say like that? TM-MAN: Because I really did, because [INDIST.] … Shri Mataji: You are disturbing for nothing at all, you don’t want to hear what I have to say. When are you going to give Me a chance? Here you are, you are saying I should have discussed. All ready it has around one hour has passed, you are not being satisfied talking about it. Now – Yogi: Just listen to Her. Shri Mataji: - nothing for you to open. Why don’t you keep quiet for a while? Yogi: Just listen to Her answers. Shri Mataji: Just listen for a [INDIST.] Yogi: Please, bitte. TM-MAN: I am doing. Yogi: Yeah, just listen. Shri Mataji: You can’t, TM-MAN: I just answer - Shri Mataji: You better go out for a while. TM-MAN [angry:] I go out, I really! Was it that. YOGIS: He can getting a tab. [Yogis laugh] Shri Mataji: That’s better. [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: All the children have to be asked.] [INDIST.] He will be all right. Nothing at all, you see, what I am saying. He got his realization, he got his vibrations and some sense else. [INDIST.] This is the position, you see now, where are you and where are they. You see, I told you, that will be a [INDIST.] All of them are not going on the same level. It doesn’t matter. So, let’s talk of something else, all right? [Shri Mataji laughs] That’s how we stand. [aside:] Put your hand here, you see this [INDIST.] the right has to be moved. You can get in one hand – tell Me, all right. Come along! Ha ha! It’s gone. YOGIS: [various INDIST.] Shri Mataji: All right, you give one [INDIST.] You see, we clean ourselves, ourselves, all right? And our self can be cleansed. Let it, just keep your [INDIST.] I could not take out your watch, [INDIST.] all right? Just listen! You see, if it does not work out, it does not work out. If he comes up, you will be surprised, My two daughters are not yet realized, My own daughters are not. What can I do, what – you see, it is a thing that has to work out, if it works out very good, if it not works out – time! What can you do about it? You see, We can only try to work it out, try to cooperate, that’s all. It is a gift of God, it’s a grace of God, it has to come into you. If it works, well, if it does not work, then you cannot blame Me for that. Now you should blame yourself. Try to – this is what you are seeking. YOGIS: [INDIST.] [Yogis laugh] The children are [INDIST.] [Yogis laugh again] Shri Mataji: They know how to manage, these children know it better. They said, why bother Mataji, let’s [INDIST.] go on! [Shri Mataji laughs] It’s all right. Yogi: I mean it, I need a lot more communication. YOGIS: I agree. I agree with you. Shri Mataji: You just have patience, all right. Again the same thing I tell you, you have been with Me and you follow one hour or two hours, all right? You did something, it’s a very fast subject that I am going to give you, the complete, the most secret, the most human talk, all right? Come along. But one attitude, again I am telling you, that you are doing it for your own wealth. All right? Secondly that - when you want - you should change your attitude, that you are going to a market. It’s not a market, it is not a selling any things here and instead of I be with you, actually you are with Me. That has to change next, all right? So try to understand this point. This is what it is. Say if I am a divine Person, then you have to please the divine Person. The Divinity is not going to fall at your feet, all right? You understand that? And when you understand that, then you can go further. You see, if you go to any Guru, real Guru in India, first they will hang you by your neck, then by your legs and [Shri Mataji laughs] till they reached you with a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: paper, cinta they call it], you see and they will not allow you to come near there. Anybody who comes, they throw the stones. They’ll go on torturing till they find you are absolutely ready they will not agree. Me, I am different, I am a Mother, I teach you and understand you. Apart from anything, the greatest desire is to save you people. All right? Have you got this chart here or something to talk at night? If you go to the [INDIST.] I will tell you. Yogi: It’s all right. OTHER YOGIS: [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: Who is there? What’s he saying? Yogi: [INDIST.] agreement. Shri Mataji: No, no, no. ANOTHER Yogi: Now I must sit here with my feet towards you and I [INDIST.] Shri Mataji: All right, there is the protocol. Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: Say now, supposing if I am Christ, you have to be respect-full, you see? Something because of that type I [INDIST.]. Supposing they do that, it has an effect, all right? But you have to be respect-full. So here it is, now can, have a look at it. [INDIST.]. Now turn round a little, I will tell, now, come along, see for yourself, isn’t? Here it is. You can put the other way round, yes. See now, this – ah – picture is here of you which shows what you are, all ready and how much you are developed up to the human level. This is the human being as it is to Me, all right? Now these are the subtle centers within you. Now if these centers are in within you or not you can see with your naked eyes. When the Kundalini moves you can see them moving. You can even see the pulsation of the Mother Kundalini. In certain cases you see them very clearly when there is obstruction. Now which is the Kundalini - [aside: INDIST.] sit here! - is that you see a coiled thing that is the Kundalini. Now what is this Kundalini? This is a renew, a germinated force within us, which gives us the second birth, which connects us to the whole. Like as every instrument has a coil you see which connects it to the mains, in the same way God has placed His residual consciousness within us and that triangular bone for our re-birth. Now this has got, if you see there are seven centers: one – two – three – four – five – six – seven centers, which are the subtle centers within us and they give manifestation to the gross plexuses which we know in the medical science. Moreover if you see for the left-hand side, the blue line, it represents the aspect of the existence within us. That is also aspect of God. And when this aspect is shut off, there is destruction. The other side, if you see is the yellow line which gives us the aspect of creativity, of our mental activity and physical activity. Now both these aspects are represented outside in the gross. These are the subtle points. These are the undercovers by the left-hand side sympathetic nervous system and the other one by the right-hand side sympathetic nervous system. Now our evolution up to the point you are is shown by the white line that is there in the center. Now the central line is called as Sushumna, which represents, which manifests outside in the gross as parasympathetic nervous system. All right? So we have three systems within us, one is the left-side one, which gives us existence, the right-side one which gives us mental and physical being and the central one which gives us our evolutionary state, for which we have evolved. Now we must think why we have evolved from amoeba to this stage as a human being? Now if you are evolved with some purpose there must be some purpose for us to be [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: unfolded]. As we are not yet perfected we have not known our meaning, we are you can say confused and worried. So there must be some method God must have planted within us to be that. It must be His plan, has to be, because if He has created this creation, He is not going to destroy it. So now what is that thing that is within us is this, the Kundalini, this residual force which is placed in the triangular bone, which rises, passing through all the chakras and pierces through the brain which we call baptism in the Christianity, that is the fontanel bone here and then it enters, our attention enters into the subtle being that we are, by which we get connected with each other. Now you can turn your faces I tell you, you can turn your faces. You all are like say birds and there is a string going through Me, but you cannot feel the string, you are on the bird, your attention is on the bird. So supposing by any chance it happens, it’s a happening, you, your attention goes onto the string – then you can pass into every-bodies bird. In the same way the collective consciousness is established within you. It’s not talking, it’s not lecturing, it is happening, it’s actualization which is being promised long time back, that you are going to get your own self-realization, that you are going to be the fruits and that you are going to be one with the whole is being promised by all the religions and all the scriptures. Now why these religions look so separate, because the integrating point was not there, otherwise they are all flowers on the same tree. And they are taken away by the people, they say, this is my religion, this is my religion. So they become dead and ugly, that’s how the religions are formed, you see? But the basic point is that all the great incarnations, who came on this Earth, exist within us from all these centers. Now let’s start from down below, all right? The lowest point is the center called as Mooladhara Chakra. Now what is Mooladhara? Moola means the root. It is the support, support of the root and what is the root - is the Kundalini. So this support of the root lies below, below the Kundalini and this is the one that manifests the pelvic plexus within us which also controls sex. Now this center doesn’t play any role in Kundalini piercing, what you call [SOUNDS LIKE: chaida], it just lies there dormant down below and looking after the protocol of the Kundalini. On it resides the Deity of Ganesha, who is the embodiment of innocence. There, from there the innocence comes forward. Now He, this Ganesha has incarnated on this Earth as Jesus Christ. He is the One who is the embodiment of innocence and is the highest, the purest Incarnation. The reason is, because His body was also made of the principle of Brahma, means principle of, say, what should I say, from Brahmadeva [SOUNDS LIKE: what should I say] principle of divine Power, I say, for the time yet, because to that I will come to that later on, what this Brahma-Tattwa is, all right? Now that is the principle, is, He is the embodiment of that. That’s why His body was resurrected. Now this is a very important Chakra, because this is the center where the innocence is there. Now see what this Mahesha means to Me, now when We come to this center. To Me He is the jump of [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: arya], Him is the jump of [INDIST.SOUDS LIKE: arya]. Now the center of, this center is that important making your seat, so you jump on your seat. So basically that is the force, that is the force of Kundalini. If that Chakra is harmed then it’s very difficult to raise the Kundalini. So first you do is to finish that. You see, the chances of your realization will be reduced by so many, he had this problem. He had this problem. So many of you had, he had this problem. Who else was there? Yogi: Kate. Shri Mataji: [INDIST.] Yogi: Hmm. Shri Mataji: He had this, they all had this problem. There was another gentleman whom I remember very badly who made it hard to bring it up. All right? So this – ah what’s the gentleman, on the left-hand side he is sitting, or the one who was your friend … Yogi: You mean Peter. ANOTHER Yogi: Peter [INDIST.]. YOGINI: It’s Peter who just came up so. Shri Mataji: [INDIST.] He had that problem, very bad. I don’t know, he must have jumped too much. Perhaps he [INDIST.] for that, that’s all right, but now it’s better. So what I am saying, now to hit up on that center which is the basis of your divinity, innocence. See the subtle attacks he has made, all right? So – and then their Kundalini is waiting there for the moment to rise. Now the other centers are also there. The green center, you see, is in the center here. It’s, it manifests the solar plexus within us. The solar plexus looks after all these areas on the stomach, physically and mentally it looks after other things. Like say, if you are a fanatic, it is spoiled, if you are a fanatic it is spoiled. If you starve too much, fast too much, it is spoiled. If you eat too much also, any extreme you do, it gets spoiled. It is also spoiled, you see, all the Ten Commandments that we have in the Bible are represented by these ten petals that are there. You see? Around that, is that area where actually it exists in the stomach of God, we can say, this is the Bhavasagara. This is what we have to cross, you see, there is a Void, from there to there is a Void and this we have to cross. And this is the thing which is crossed by the Kundalini-awakening. Now what happens that around that, that water-like thing that you see there, you see that is the one where ten, the primordial Masters were born, gurus, primordial gurus. Now they were incarnated of innocence of all this ten aspects and they were incarnated on this Earth, say from Abraham, Moses, then we had Mohammed Sahib we can say, and we have Shirdi Sai Nath, then Nanaka, Janaka, all these people incarnated as Gurus. Now what do they do? They, they, they give you sustenance, they give you sustenance. Now sustenance is, is, for human beings is different, for animals it’s different. For example now this is gold, all right? What is the sustenance of gold, is that it is untarnished, it cannot tarnish, you see? What is the sustenance of carbon, that is a valency, you see, it is just tetravalent, all right? In the same way, what is the sustenance of human beings? That’s these Ten Commandments which, according to us, have to stay intact. If you miss that, then you’ll get spoiled. Human beings can catch if you loose these sustenance, all right? So this is what is religion, if you can follow, because –the English word I don’t know – but the Sanskrit-word “religion” comes to us from a word known as “dharayeti sa dharma”, means “the one which is sustained”, is the dharma, is the religion, that sustains us, by which we become human. By which we become animals is the ani-, is the dharma of the animals. By which we become human beings, is our sustenance. And this sustenance is maintained by the Gurus in that area and they look after us, they are born again and again, again and again to tell us about it. Then, people might say, what’s wrong in drink? Why did Mohammed Sahib said: do not drink, Nanaka has said, Moses said that you should not drink. Why He did this? Now there is a reason which you cannot stop it. If I tell you, don’t drink, you cannot drink. I give you a very good reason for that, absolutely scientific, absolutely scientific, but you won’t stop. So what should I do? You see which is the other way is, why do you drink? First of all I should find out the reason for it. I find out the reason that because you get bored, that’s why. So because you do not want to face the reality, you have an escape. So I do it in such a way that you say face the reality. Once you face the reality, which is so beautiful, you start enjoying it, you don’t even remember that you have to drink. People have to remind you and when you drink you get a stomach-pain, so you just don’t drink. Automatically you do not drink. You are not to be told, that you don’t do this, you don’t do that. That’s not necessary. Just by raising your Kundalini it can work. Now all these Sahaja Yogis who are here used to drink, used to take drugs. They had given up their jobs, you are supposed to be seeking. Now they are perfectly all right, they have given up drinks, they are enjoying themselves, they have given many Realization, they are curing people. So this can be done if your sustenance is put right. All right? [GAP in the audio] … which is decided by Shri Krishna and there are sixteen petals, which means we have got sixteen sub-plexus which look after our nose, our eyes, our ears, our throat, our [INDIST.] the joints and the tongue and all that and also that. So this Vishuddhi is a very important thing, because it’s all our face, Vishuddhi is all our face. Now if your left Vishuddhi is catching that means that there is something wrong with your idea about yourself, that you are suffering from a kind of a guilt, maybe, or maybe that your relationship about your sister, or the sublime relationships you are not sure about it. You do not, say for example a person has a bad Vishuddhi. Sometimes it maybe that he is having a bad time with his Sister. He is not treated very well. You see your sisters, can you imagine, your sisters to [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: cry sometimes] and if you have a bad time with your sister this can work out. If you just say that I, I, I love my sister – finished, it comes all right. With very – Yogi: How about the brother? Shri Mataji: Ah? A brother is, brother is right heart, right heart, the brother is right heart. For mother is heart and father is also right heart. You see, brother is right heart and this is, left is – ah – sister. And also this points [Shri Mataji shows] brother, but I won’t say it is so much as brother as here [Shri Mataji shows]. You see it is a very [INDIST.] way, because your elder brother you can feel it in the right heart and the younger brother here [Shri Mataji shows]. It’s quiet, in details if you go it’s very interesting to see all these relations be in such a [INDIST.] way. Why? Because you have chosen them. When you are born you choose your father, mother, everyone, you choose all of them. That’s how family is very important, but the way the families are today, you see, I can’t even tell for example if I have to tell him, you will tell Me, no, no, my father is a very bad man and he does this, he does this, he does …. You see the whole system is spoiled because of the Dharma, because of the Religion, you see? A father doesn’t understand his duties as a father. The son doesn’t understanding his duties as a son. You see, who had asked you to go experimenting with everything. They have also experimented with family-life. With everything they have, be on our own, children are on their own. Now if you are on your own you are cancer, you have a cancer within you. How? Because the cell which becomes on its own has no relationship with the whole, is a cancer, say, is a malignant, say. Say – ah – say loyal is there Nabhi, they can’t understand, supposing somebody says, I’m on my own, I don’t observe any laws. All right, you better go to jail. That’s what it is. In the same way when we start doing all these things without relating ourselves to the whole, we commit all these mistakes and by which we spoil our chakras. Now this Chakra that is in the centre is, is on the cross of – We can say the, where the optic nerves cross each other, We can say optic – hmm – chiasma as it is called. On that point it is a very subtle center, which controls your ego and superego, as you can see it … all right. And it controls your eye-sight at the back. Now he had, say ah, a weak back because of his eye-sight you can see that here [Shri Mataji shows], and this weakness, you see, was stopping the Kundalini. First the Kundalini was sublime there, you will get up a much better eye-sight and even not Me it is backed out, come, because the light when it will start spreading here it will be absolutely a different point. I give you an example of this man, you see, he wrote a [INDIST.] of area, he was suffering from cancer and I shouldn’t tell you, but I did cure him and he [INDIST.] cured. The secretary was here early, he told Me another story when I went to his house, the Presidents house and this first secretary told Me there is one boy who, one girl, she is gone blind, because there was fire in the house, you can say her eyes opened out, her eyes are open but she is absolutely blind and she cannot see and she just sees downwards. So I said all right, that’s it, let’s have a look at her. She came down and what I found when she saw the fire some spirit went into her, because she got a fright. So that was all setting down. Just as sure as you have a light, just like this she looses her fright. There was light in My head and in My hand and the girl started looking. Because she saw the stripes on my hat, you see, she was very innocent child, when she saw this [INDIST.] was there. And then she said I can see it and she was absolutely cured, hundred percent. There are many cures like that, but what I am trying to say, that it is only possible if you have a light yourself. Supposing you are not enlightened, then how can I enlighten another candle? So that’s why I said, first of all get enlightened. Then we talk about it. All right? Otherwise there would have been at least [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: cowing] numbers, I can’t say. But at least eleven numbers are, I say we mean, are [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: delated]. I have to deal with only two person and I couldn’t sell it one, but another one did came to Me, thank God. So you see that one, that is what, this was, I would never had another talking, all would have talked so much that there would have been no talk. So I said, better let them find it, because it’s a better idea so that I can talk to them and have some [INDIST.] all right. So this is the Chakra which We have got here [Shri Mataji shows], it is, which is in the center, which manifests at the back and in-front. Now in-front this manifests where you have got a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: trunk]. Actually it can’t be [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: called] a center We should say and this one is the Kartikeya, that is one of His powers. So Christ has come at this center and if he pierces from here than He is in the center, on the optic chiasma [INDIST.] there. He came here because He said, I am the gate. That is the gate, you can see that, He is on the gate. And She came here to show how to cross the gate. So His resurrection is this [INDIST.] chakra. That means you all can be resurrected. He had made the gate for us and we are all going to be resurrected through that gate. He didn’t say, I am the destination. He said, I am the path and I am the gate, I am the door. But He is not the destination. Now where is the destination? Is there - disappears the darkness. This center is to be opened out and that is the Mothers job. And if that is done, then only you have a meaning, otherwise it has no meaning. Any work that is not completed has no meaning. In the same way you have no meaning, you don’t know why you are here. What is your meaning? Once that breaks properly then the vibrations start flowing through you, then you can see the manifestation. Within one minute you can start it, it’s a very moment, you, out of you something will started growing. And imagine, you can’t partake it, too much vibrations of yourself, because you know, as I told you, TM is a horrible thing, that you should know who this fellow is, but some of the people came. I was so horrid [INDIST.] and [INDIST.] point out, it would not add to it. It’s just odd, behaving like a wounded Mother, all kind of taking Her names, hate like [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: endorsing] is that, very unhappy. She is your own Mother! And She is the One who has lived with you all your lives, all your seeking. And She was just saying that I cannot come up and I am wounded. And there were [INDIST.] She looks wounded, and that’s how I came to meet this horrible fellow whom you know. I am not telling you any to befool you, if I tell you, he was shocked. He must have gone wounded [INDIST.] how to go back. So when he started with his Mantra may I started giving you realization to clear people. Otherwise you would have got caught up. And some of the Sahaja Yogis were very upset and they said, Mother what about these TM-people? They are very pity-full. What do I have to do? I said, I know. Now it is wisdom that you must seek God and then you come to Sahaja Yoga. Get your realization first! Do not just start talking about it, with your [INDIST.] guest. Get to it, learn it, I will tell you all the [INDIST.], everything I will tell you, every details about it. But now what his priority is, that also I will tell you. He takes you either to the right or to the left. With anyone, where will you [INDIST.]. Many here did sympathize. What happens others? Left-hand side is the subconscious area and beyond the subconscious area is your gate to sub-consciousness. There all these types you must try, horrible and bhoots and all that, they live there, there live everybody dissatisfied souls and they are all there. As soon as you cross over it gets over. Now the names that he had given are the names of the left-side bhoots hugged, that type of people are there. But with Christian names he has given all the left-side names which again all start to the left side and for the grown up people on the right-hand side, because when you are grown up, then your ego is developed and you start moving on the right-hand side. That’s why he has given you the other one. But it has only a meaning up to this, say for example [INDIST.] all right? So I move on the, this side from the line, but after I need not, this is the main thing, they [INDIST.] is true, the rest of them are nothing, but just bhoots. You tell people now for example, a Mantra [INDIST.] “you are raised up with pigs”, all right? It isn’t a Mantra of Chakras, it isn’t a Mantra of Deities, it isn’t a Mantra of Kundalini and whatever it has to do with a Mantra? Another thing and it is very simple to understand as I have told that before to you that supposing there is given a name or even one [INDIST.] say you go on saying: “Elisabeth, Elisabeth, Elisabeth”. It is too ridicule enough, you see? It’s a [INDIST.], finished. Now I am talking about the Queen of the world, Queen of the universe or say, King of the world, King of the universe and you say all: “Ram, Ram, Ram”. Is He your servant? Call Him what an [INDIST.] to call Him? You have not even entered into the Kingdom of God, you are just talking for this, sitting down here. Who will be coming from servant to that place. There could be a very light in the name Elisabeth. I can [INDIST.] Queen Elisabeth is not going to come running, unless and until if you are connected. If you call somebody there it’s a [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: recombination] of servants, if you go there, you [INDIST.], all right? But you are beyond that, maybe there is God. So you have no authority to call Him, but again I say [INDIST.SOUNDS LIKE: a Mantra has a meaning] it has no meaning. All the Mantras have got a meaning, because [INDIST.] has a meaning. [INDIST.] But if there is no meaning it is evil, even [INDIST.] but they say nothing like you, no [INDIST.], nothing. In Sanskrit-language it is [INDIST.] very scientific, every [INDIST.] has a meaning. [INDIST.] without any mud, means [INDIST.]. Any name you take [INDIST.] has a meaning, every [INDIST.] has a meaning, everything has a meaning. It is never no meaning at all, that it has no meaning. Now he found out [INDIST.] has no meaning. At the most it [INDIST.] and the Kundalini rises, all right? [INDIST.] For example here it means [INDIST.] these are the sixteen and these are the sixteen petals there are, if you have any one of these spoiled, if you say with this [INDIST.] But why do you go to that? I think, even if it is later on [INDIST.], but what [INDIST.]

6/19/1979

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What have we done towards a higher Life?

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What have we done towards a higher Life? Caxton Hall, London (UK), 19 June 1979. Every time we have some people who are new and I have to again introduce the subject, tell you about it. We are here because we are seeking. We are seeking something of the beyond because we have a feeling within us that there is something that is beyond. But we have no guideline to understand what we have to do about it. In all the scriptures it was described that there is higher life, there is eternal life, there is Kingdom of God where you have to enter, that you are to be reborn. All this is Greek and Latin to most of the people and how to achieve it is another problem that faces us. For this we must ask one question to ourselves, “What have we done to achieve this human state?” From amoeba to this stage how did we come? Do you know what you did, what effort you put in, how many times you were standing on your heads breaking your bones? Did you see any cockroach working it out? Did you see any dog doing that or did you see yourself any time? Have you any memory of that, what have you done? In any human behaviour have you seen that for doing anything important we had to do something about it? For example, we have eyes. We have them. We haven’t done anything about getting them; they’re fixed properly. And this nose being fixed just in the centre – we haven’t done anything about it either. All this that we are supposed to be, of which we are very proud – we think we are Mr Such and such and such and such you see, the Mr Ego part. We must know first of all that this we have not done, we have not created ourselves. What else have we created? Let’s see. We have created this thing here. Now this is all dead, from dead to dead. What living work have we done, anything? Can you sprout a seed? Can you, even one? Even one you can’t do. So that means we have done nothing so far. It’s only a myth that we believe into that we do this and we do that. Some people traveling by train, if they put their luggage on their heads and think that they are carrying the luggage, what will you call that? It is the same way, is our being created specially for a special purpose. You may call it God. You may call it nature, whatever you may call it. But it is not done by you by any chance. Once you understand this then the second point comes in – how are we to be Self-realized? How are we to be in that consciousness? So the answer is you cannot do it Sir. If it is a living process, you cannot do it by anything. You cannot work it out. Is difficult to understand this proposition, but it’s a fact that you cannot do anything living and you cannot do this most dynamic thing within you that you take your second birth. If you could accept this assumption then we can go further, that you cannot do anything about it. So now we come to this conclusion that somebody must do it. The one who has done it so far is going to do it again. The one who has made this has also put a cord with it. He has made all the arrangements. In the same way, the one who has created you has made all the arrangements in your machinery, in your instrument, in this living machinery. He has created you so beautifully, you can’t imagine. And then here you are today just to be connected. And this can only be done through the Grace of God. A light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten another light. If you could accept this concept about your seeking, then we can go further with it. But if you think that by standing on your heads or paying Me some money you can achieve your realization, I am sorry, this is not the shop that sells it. This is a gift from God, is a Grace of God which is bestowed upon you, which you have to receive it. As you have received everything else, you are going to receive it also. But while receiving this being as a human personality you never said anything about it, you never questioned it. But when it is the Self-realization, I find everybody’s mind is very, very active. Now, you did not do it through rationality. Did you go to books to know how to breathe? Imagine if you had to read about it to find out how to breathe, what would have happened to us? Half of population problem would have been solved just like that. Very easy to do that way, isn’t it? But people just go and read books about how to get realization. It’s most surprising thing, I feel. How can you find it in the book, something that is living, which is to be actualized, which has to happen to you? How can you do it? But, you see, in our human understanding we are on our own, you see. Everybody is running amok, everybody is on their own. They think they have no connection with the whole. They are made by themselves. They are created by themselves. They are great people and they can run themselves very well, which is not a fact. You are a part of the whole and the whole has to decide for you how He has to enlighten you. It is He who has to make all these arrangements and it is He who has to bestow that gift upon you. This is Sahaja. Saha means with, Ja means born. It is born with you. Like a seed has got all the manifestations it has to pass through, all the maps that it is going to create, manifest, many trees that it has to go through in that little seed in that microscopic way, in the same way God has also placed in you long time back all the maps that you are going to be. So your plans have no meaning compared to His plan. Can you plan even one seed like that, even one? [Aside remarks apparently referring to a member of the audience] Just laugh it out. It’s all over, all right? The joke is over. She is one of them who has been jumping for it. That’s why she is laughing. Now, so it is effortless. It is spontaneous. No need to grow horns for it and wear funny dresses like clowns going around very seriously you see, that you are religious people, you are this, you are that. Whom you are proclaiming? The one who has created you knows you very well, thoroughly well. You wear any dresses, wear horns, or wear anything, He knows you too well and He knows who is ready for it and who is not. Supposing you paint a leaf like an apple or like a flower, do you think it will become a fruit? In the same way, even if you paint yourself as seekers write down and they put something like nails into their cheeks and they do all kinds of things in the name of God… Oh God, I tell them why don’t they have wisdom to sit down quietly? It is His job. He knows when to do it, when is the blossom time, how to do it. By doing all this, you have really ruined your instrument which is inside you like this. Now you may say that, “Mataji, how do you know about this one?” You should ask Me a question that way, “How do you know that there is an instrument?” I say that you should not immediately say, “All right, whatever You say is all right.” ‘‘No’’. But it will happen to you that this germination will take within you and then you will start knowing how I know. But for the time being let us see that as if you have entered into the first year of science, then once you have got something in you then you can see for yourself what happens. But a boy, who is shy of going to school, or of college, is just standing in the door and the mother is pulling him in, “Come along. Sit down. Sit down.” He says, “No, no, no, I am going away.” Like that if you behave then what am I to do about it? So just be open, come and sit down and I will tell you what is your being, what is the beyond, and what you have to expect. And when it happens, you see for yourself, then only you believe into Me. There is no use having blind people because you have to be awakened. If you are blind people, how am I going to awaken you? So you have to be absolutely open-minded. But, say, somebody comes from somewhere. He has read some book in Tibet or even Timbuktu. He comes to Me, “Mother, in that book such and such thing has been written.” Now, am I to go and read all those books for you? First of all, leave all your books outside. That’s the best way we can manage because most of you, I know, have read too many books and these books are sitting in your head and they will not allow any ideas to go into your head. So you have to vacate it a little bit, little bit for Me also. The other day I had to ask somebody to write all the books he had written and he took about fifteen minutes to write them down. Then I said, “Forget the books. Write the authors only.” Still he was thinking and thinking and thinking. It is so horridly sickening here the way people go on reading everything that we get, everything that we get. Even if they see a parcel which is covered with a newspaper, they will read that. Every advertisement we’ll read, every shop we must read, every… I mean such mad people, I tell you. They don’t have to buy something, but they will read the value of that. All the time we want to read something. That’s why, after so many days, somebody has written a book. I said, “All right, you read it because without reading you won’t listen to Me. So better read it.” So this is a happening within us, which is spontaneous as I told you, and this is the instrument we have within us. Now, if there is instrument or not you will not know. Like, in this room you come in, it’s all closed, It’s all dark and you cannot see anything and I tell you that go and speak on the mike. “Where is the mike? We can’t see it. How to speak?” Then you come around groping for things here and there. You may hold something as mike and start speaking. And you said, “I’am speaking toeveryone there,” and there is no connection at all. It is all darkness. You can’t see anything. Anything could be a mike for you. Maybe somebody’s hand you might hold and say, “Hello, how are you?” and all that. Yes, you can do anything in the darkness. Anything is possible. So it is necessary that there should be a light, all right? If there is no light how are we going to see? But it is difficult for human beings to understand that there is already a button within us which works it out. You don’t bother about it. But the problem is they think they are going to enlighten themselves, when they are in darkness. How are you going to do, I don’t understand that. But because Mr E G O – ego – is so strong that you cannot believe that you cannot just do it. It is nice to watch your Mr E G O. He is an interesting fellow you see, and he comes to you in such a funny manner that he denies all the truths of the world, and you take to something that’s absurd. Like, if I tell you, “All right, you have to pay me five hundred pounds per month,” you will starve yourself, eat potatoes, collect that and bring it to Me and come down and sit down and you have to stand on your heads. You will do that, three nights, three days together; you wouldn’t mind. But if I tell you, “You don’t have to do anything. You cannot pay Me anything. Just sit quietly it will work out. You say, “What? She’s useless, nothing. How can it be? She doesn’t take any money, nothing. How can it be? It’s absolutely useless.” So it is discarded. This is the ego pampering that people have used in their propagation of ideas. Try to understand it. Ego can make an idiot out of you, I can tell you, absolutely an idiot out of you. And they know how to pamper your ego. They will say, “Come along. You are the Archbishop of Canterbury.” So you become Archbishop of Canterbury. They’ll say, “Come along sit here. You are this, I’ll garland you, you are Bhoganand, you are Dhonganand.” Indians understand the meaning of this. And they will put you into new garments. You’ll say, “Oh, I have become such great saint, you know, and this…” You’ll wear a garland and this and walk about. What is that a sign of? Just tell Me. Only you feel like laughing at it. But they believe into it. They make you believe, you know, that you are great saints. All right, then you are great saints. You are awarded such and such great position. You think, “Oh, I am so great.” It’s everything empty inside. When are you going to face up to yourself and see that, no, no this is not the way? There must be some genuine innate within us that God must have placed that we are going to get it. It is He who loves us, He who is compassionate. It is He who has created this beautiful universe and He’s is not going to destroy it. He will not allow you to destroy it, let the whole satanic forces work out. He will see to it that it is safe and that you get His powers so that you enjoy them. Like a father who earns all his life, saves his property, makes a beautiful home for the children for them to enjoy. In the same manner, you understand the Father of fathers; how much He must have thought of you, how much to give you, what bounties to pour into you. So, this is the instrument as they, as you see them here. [FV WARNING – MP3 titled ‘1979-0619-1-What have We done towards a Higher Life_I_T02 ‘ starts from here and is of such poor quality that that its transcription cannot be relied on] This one is the cord as I said, the germinating power called as the Kundalini. That is called as Kundalini in the Sanskrit language because Kundala means a spiral, kundala. And there are three and a half seeds placed within you and this is an energy. This is an energy which starts from here. This is a residual energy [Not clear sounds like: ‘which has created the whole kingdom… created by God of the child.’] It resides here. The residual one resides here for the last happening of your evolution that is the breakthrough in [INAUDIBLE sounds like: ‘the awareness’]. It is set down there very nicely placed in the triangular bone so that nobody can touch it; it is so well [not clear sounds like: ‘boxed’] inside there. It stays there quietly recording all that you are doing in the searching. There it records spontaneously not because you belong to a certain clan or a certain club or certain dress, because you are a human being. Only the human beings have to surrender to the Kundalini within them. And this is through this Kundalini only you get the desire to know of the germinating power. Within you all these centres are placed in such a way which you can see with your naked eye when the Kundalini start pulsating there. You can see the pulsation of the Kundalini also here. It starts pulsating very violently in people who have an obstruction [not clear]. But in people who do not have any obstruction [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘it does not pulsate’]. But in this also [not clear, sounds like ‘as it is’] as the people are very anxious, to have it; they will have it somehow. We have had as a demand [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘if the thugs are’] there. So there is an aura / argument when Kundalini is there. But they said, “No, Kundalini needs help with because that (inaudible/pulsating.)” You cannot enter into this Kundalini unless and until you are really authorized by God. [INAUDIBLE] here outside this prostate gland where there is a pelvic plexus. According to them this centre which activates or which manifests the pelvic plexus, there is the Kundalini so that they say that is [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘sex energy’] And it suits us very well to understand. Now everybody does sex in [sounds like ‘animals’]. Are they going to get realization faster than you? They don’t have any sex education. Are they going to get any such state? How can it be [INAUDIBLE/insane]. [Not clear, sounds like ‘This plexus’] which is under our control. It has to be in a place which is not under our control because it is spontaneous and can only be handled by an authority. Say, for example, I have something on which I have an authority. I keep it in a place where My servants can’t touch and nobody can touch it. Only under My control, isn’t. it? Or should I keep it open to everyone? Then what is My control? But it is very hard for people to understand that it has nothing to do with sex. Sex is a different thing. It is the ultimate relationship with husband and wife. Kundalini has nothing to do with it. That’s why it’s placed below here [INAUDIBLE]. When the Kundalini pierces it doesn’t even touch this chakra. On the contrary on this centre, there is an embodiment of innocence which we call as Shri Ganesha. He is the one who incarnated later on here as Jesus. He is innocent and that’s why innocence means in the purest sense which cannot be contaminated or destroyed by these things. That is the source of our evolution. But then I find they [INAUDIBLE]. I met somebody a great psychologist. And he told Me that he went to India and he read about tantric, tantrikas and was very much impressed by it. “Really.” “Yes, they told me great thing that you can achieve your realization through sex.” If you go to some country [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘to its gutters and its outlets and its buffoons’], how can you understand the reality of that country? You do not go to any country ( inaudible) in a wastepaper basket, do you? But I don’t know why these wastepaper things are even worse than that, are so much impressive to these people. I have nothing to say more about this subject because it’s a sacred subject of [INAUDIBLE] I agree (sounds like- if you want to have sex have it /with it, they want to have this happening.) Nobody has to run away from the sex. It is another style of [INAUDIBLE] not only that they will say [INAUDIBLE], all right, let him enjoy the way. Why because in the [INAUDIBLE]. And you take it very easily into your heads like that. Now it’s a big warning today. You will know that all these things, either running away from the sex or running towards the sex, is not going to take you to your realization. Only what is going to work out the realization is God’s grace. For this you can’t allow [INAUDIBLE]. There was a gentleman from [Not clear] who came to see Me on the way to the airport, imagine. He was just going to the airport, coming there to learn about self-realization, you can imagine, [Sounds like ‘such a short time’]. Of course, I don’t [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘do this by-the-way’] . And he came there, on a running horse stopped for a while. And he would not listen to Me, see. And somebody saw this photograph outside [INAUDIBLE] What did he learn? He said, “He said that the Kundalini is in the [INAUDIBLE].” Oh God, I never said that. He wrote it down like that very nicely. And so many people started writing letters to Me. “Mother, when will you come here? You see we want to have our Kundalini awakened.” Because it was connected with a sex symbol, just imagine what absurd thing. Everybody was interested in talking. So I told them, “What is this nonsense? There must be ( inaudible/a misunderstanding]. This fellow was out of his mind. [INAUDIBLE] I don’t know how [INAUDIBLE]. They all stopped writing to Me. They’re not interested. Do you think God’s temple is a brothel? What have we done to Him? How much we have insulted Him? You think. Now the Kundalini comes up to that centre here [INAUDIBLE] which I have told you last time is the solar plexus. It is very important [INAUDIBLE]. I told you about these things (INAUDIBLE) first the animal state [INAUDIBLE]. I mean, that they [INAUDIBLE]. Then at the human state when (they reach they raise their heads (inaudible)(could be – start thinking of God, start thinking.) Animals don’t think of it. They take it for granted (inaudible). There are many human beings are like that. They don’t know. They take it for granted and settle down nicely, morning read the newspaper, go to the office, come back home, go to the pub, come back home. All their life is lived like that. [They used to/first they) die, again they are born, (inaudible/ they used to die]. They have no seeking. There are many human beings of this kind. But there are some great persons who have been seeking, seeking and seeking for ages. Now this seeking starts at this level and the solar plexus is the one [INAUDIBLE]. You start thinking about the beyond. It comes to us in our previous life, in many guidelines in many [INAUDIBLE]. Various incarnations tell us that there is beyond. For example [INAUDIBLE]. There are ten primordial masters [INAUDIBLE] the principles of [INAUDIBLE] within us [INAUDIBLE] all of them are there. All those [INAUDIBLE] came as incarnations actually placed on this chakra and are within us. These are the ones [INAUDIBLE]. So that’s why we have to imbibe all these primordial masters, the real ones, I have to say. They [INAUDIBLE] that there is a light beyond. This is all is a dream. Is all is myth the reality lies within us. So we start thinking about this awakening of this dream. The other day I asked the question, because I want to ask questions also, so that the knowledge is absolutely open. There should be no secrecy about it. I ask the question say that you can say that “Mother if this is true, then the second one could be also secondary.” But it is not. Because the findings of the secondary whatever they are like vibrations [INAUDIBLE] can be used [INAUDIBLE] and that is why it is not [INAUDIBLE]. [FV: MP3 titled ‘1979-0619-1-What have We done towards a Higher Life_I_T03’ starts from here and is of better quality] Now these things have been described to us by many Gurus and, we can say, many great incarnations who came on this earth and they told us about how we have been conducting our life, and how we should conduct our life, how we ought to live our life. All these great people and the scriptures have given us the idea that there is a life beyond, there is an eternal life which we have to achieve. So the supply starts also from the people who want you to achieve that eternal life. Now, the people who try to do that, first they must know that as it is a spontaneous thing you cannot pay for it. For example, how much money will you pay to sprout a seed? You don’t put pennies there and pour water. This is the first principle we must know, absolutely. It is a gift. The second principle is that if somebody has to give us something then his life has to be above board. But many people like to cheat themselves morning till evening wasting their lives in the name of seeking. You must know that human life is the most important thing God has created and you have to find out your meaning. You have to get it. You are the ones who are going to get it and nobody else. They go into all kinds of nonsensical things in the name of seeking. Like, they will say, “All right, if you eat potatoes you will get God.” Yes, there are people who say like that but we believe into all these, we will starve ourselves and then die. Because as it is, the pocket is finished so you die. We have to live on a diet [INAUDIBLE]. Secondly, we have to know that when you get Self-realization, you should get your own powers. You should not live on the powers of somebody else. But you should manifest your own powers and that you should get self-knowledge. How will you get your self-knowledge unless and until your attention goes above you? Unless and until your attention can see you, how can you get your self-knowledge? For example, now if I say that you are this light, you say, “No, Mother, we are not,” because you can see. If I say, “You are this chair,” you say, “No.” “You are this body.” “No” “Then you are this thought.” “No.” You can see all that. But what is seeing it? The one that is seeing it is the Spirit is the Atma within you. Unless and until your attention touches that spirit and sees through the window of that spirit, you cannot understand what is the matter with you. If you are sitting in the house, how will you know what’s the matter with the architecture of this house? You have to go outside and see. In the same way, unless and until your attention goes to that position from where you can see what is wrong with you, you cannot understand what is yourself is, what is your being is, what are your chakras like. But the most surprising thing is that when it happens to you, when the Kundalini rises piercing all these centres and opens out of the fontanel bone, then you start feeling the vibrations flowing in your hands, is the actualization. What flows through you is the pulsation of the Spirit. And you can see the pulsation flowing through you through which you can judge your own centres and the centres of the others, because you jump into a new awareness called as collective consciousness. Actually, it is actualization. It is not lecturing, “You are my brother; I am your sister,” till there is a war. As soon as the war starts, forget it. It’s a fact. It’s an actualization within you that you start feeling others within you, that you know that we are part of the whole. Not through your brain, but through actualization in your awareness it happens. Unless and until that happens to you, you are not to believe anybody. We are seeking the wholesomeness, our wholesomeness. We are seeking our relation with the whole. We have to become the whole. For that, there is this mechanism placed within you, and when this happens, you start feeling the whole. And this is what is you are seeking. But actually what happens (is) that it works on you like a human awareness, you get another awareness which you can call as super-consciousness. But there are other consciousness which we can call as the subconscious mind and the supra-conscious. Like in the past is the subconscious. Supra-conscious is the future. That’s on the left and the right. You can start moving on these lines. And there could be some spirits, some dead spirit, they may jump on to you and you will start behaving in such a manner that you cannot control. What is going to happen is that the Kundalini rises very smoothly within you and gets that state. You ‘become’ that. It is ‘the becoming’ through this happening. We should certify and not anything else. Talking about it or giving lectures about it or collecting money for it, this is all absolutely nonsense. When you’ll discover it, you’ll be shocked. So first thing you must know that you have to achieve it within yourself as an experience, as an experience, not as a shock or a sensation. Some people feel very happy I told them, they went to somebody to see, they said, “What happened to you?” He said, “I was getting shocks all the time.” I said, “What, shock?” “Yes, there was sensation about it.” I said, “Will God shock you all the time?” I mean, imagine how they you expect such things to happen to you that you are shocked all the time? Another one was shaking all the time like this, you see, shouting all the time. I said, “What is all that?” He said, “That is what I have got now, Self-realization.” I said, “Oh God.” Somebody was shouting like a… you can say crying like a crow, sometimes like a, like a lion roaring. Are we going to become crows now after becoming human beings, or frogs, jumping like a frog? Why are we cheating ourselves? Don’t you want to become that superhuman being? This human life is very important. Don’t waste it. It’s a misidentification. You have to become the higher personality where you feel the whole is the main point, where you can feel your own powers emitting by which you can cure people, you can give them mental peace and you yourself can raise the Kundalini with your hand. It’s so simple. Now people say, “How can it be? It’s so difficult?” Yes it is. It is for people who do not know the job. Now supposing you want Me to fix it up here, I cannot do it. I just cannot. I may fix it there or there; I don’t know how to do it. And it will take four hours for Me to fix this one, I can tell you. But, say, Douglas knows the job. He does it very well. I have no problem because he can do it. If he can do it, I do not feel inferior to him. Why should you feel inferior if I know the job? Why do you feel inferior? Immediately everybody will ask, “How do you do it?” But I know the job. You should see for yourself if I know or not. If I know it, you better have it. If you know some job, I do not feel inferior to you. In the same way, if I know, what’s the harm? I mean, somebody has to do it. If I had not done it, you would have done it. But perhaps they selected Me. I don’t know why. I have to do it and I can do it. So it is better not to quarrel with yourself, misidentifying with your… with things which are not true, which are false and keep yourself away from the truth. Try to achieve it for anything whatsoever. It is most important is to know your meaning, to get your powers. What I do is just to give you the key. It is your own power. It’s all your own. It is your own right to get it. There’s no obligation at all, nothing. Nothing in return. It’s just love that flows and works it out. You don’t have to pay for it. You don’t have to do anything. You just receive it. It is a gift. Do not criticize it but receive it. That is the way it is. Now this is the subject, as I said, cannot be covered in such a short time. And I have been talking and talking in various places, in [sounds like Charlington]. I would say if you have any questions, you can ask. But ask, please, sensible questions. You see, not like, “In that book I have read something,” and all that, but something sensible. Don’t try to show off your knowledge, because with your knowledge you have achieved nothing. If you had achieved, then you [INAUDIBLE]. The other day one lady told Me, “I am all right. What’s wrong with me?” I said, “Nothing, you go home and sleep, that’s the best thing. Why did you come here? That’s the only mistake.” If you are seeking, then all right, come as a seeker and then have it. You do not know anything about yourself, where are the centres. You do not know about others. You cannot do anything about others. You cannot say where is the other person is moving, what is his trouble, what is his problem. And then if you think that you are perfectly all right then thank you very much, but don’t disturb others. So I would request you to ask Me questions which are sensible, which are good for your evolution. I know who are the real seekers and who are not. And despite all that you will be amazed, Kundalini awakening is blessed on everyone. But those who do not take to it, do not accept it and do not go about it, lose it. God is not going to fall at your feet for it. But I have seen, because in Sahaja Yoga there is complete freedom for you, complete freedom for you… And I am in my own complete freedom. That’s why I respect your freedom. But that doesn’t mean that you should try to disturb others. That won’t be good. You have to be considerate about it and please ask questions which will help you and help Me. May God bless you. Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: I have already told you, My child, that you did not know anything about you and you became a human being. In the same way, even if you do not know through My lecture, you can become that and you get the light within. And then I’ll tell you all about it. If you want Me to tell you all, all, every detail, you’ll get bored and I‘ll be bored too, all right? So let’s have it. Like I would say I have done the cooking for you so you have it; enjoy it. And then I’ll tell you from where I got this [ INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘Gurupad’], all right? Is that all right for you? Nothing to worry. You cannot know it through language. It has to work out. It has to work out within you and then you will know. And you’ll be amazed how you will grow, how you will mature. We had a boy of sixteen years who came to Me only six months back, and if you see his knowledge you will be stunned, you will be amazed. Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: See, it is not a power of electricity. It is a power that loves, that coordinates, that thinks. Can you think of such a power that loves? So it’s all right. You will see it and work it out. You’ll be amazed how it works, that it starts flowing through you, all right? Then you, you, somebody is suffering, he’s got a pain, you just put your hand there. It’s a state which is described in the Bible, all right? Sit with your hands like this in any case when the questions are asked. Put your both the feet straight on the ground. Just, just stay. You need not be very serious. Neither should… you shouldn’t be very frivolous. Is the, is the thing of play, you see. It’s a play of God. So it happens, nothing serious. If it doesn’t happen also today, doesn’t matter. I am going to be in London for minimum six years. So you can have it. See if it can happen in a second then why should you worry? It is going to work out. Please put your hands like this, just like this. You may close your eyes if you can. Some people might get little flutter in the eyes. There’s nothing to be worried about it. Keep your eyes open. That means your eyes are very tired; just then keep your eyes open. Now you watch your thoughts. Just see, ask your mind, “What are you thinking?” Just watch your mind, what it is thinking. If it is blank then the second step you should see if you are getting any cool breeze in the hand. Which means the first one where you have no thought. And the second one, one may feel heat in the hand or tingling in the hand or may also feel a numbness. But after a few minutes you will start feeling the cool breeze. And it works so wonderfully that second time you come I won’t recognize you, such a change that comes. Now those who are feeling cool breeze in the hand please raise your hands, all of you. Those who are feeling cool breeze, all of you. What about the Indians? [Mother speaks in Hindi} Are you getting it? You? Are you feeling it? Did not get it yet? Do the men believe in God or no? You,are you getting it or no? Not coming? Again let’s see, good. Again let’s see, good. It’s working out, very good. It’s working out, good. See, it will work out just like the tree, if you see the blossom time the flowers are turning into fruits, you see. Gradually it works out. So leave it alone. It should work out. If it has not, there’s nothing wrong, just allow it to work out, just allow. It’s the greatest thing that should happen to you, just allow. Close your eyes it would be better because when the Kundalini rises, you see, eyes get dilated. So just close your eyes. You’ll feel better. Just close your eyes. Liver, very bad, horrible liver and suicidal tendency; heart, very bad. You look after him. He’s your friend. Do not disturb others. Keep quiet. Be quiet. You have to be there for five to ten minutes at the most. Please close your eyes. Please close your eyes if you are asking for something eternal. Be humble about it. Be humble about it. You say the mantra of Gruha Laxmi. All of you should keep your eyes closed. Now those who are feeling cool breeze raise your hand. All those, all those who are feeling cool breeze raise your hands. Good. Are you feeling? Not yet? They’ll all come and see you if you are really that or not, so nothing to worry. If you are not feeling it’s all right. If you are sure you are not feeling then raise your hands. If you are not feeling, you are sure, please. Who else? You, what about you, are you feeling? Are you feeling? Are you feeling any cool breeze in the hand nothing? This lady, nothing? You two, three and four. [Mother is talking in Hindi]. You are also not feeling? You are feeling it. Is this child feeling it? Are you feeling? Do you drink? Yes, you drink. Now it should be. All right, you got it, cool breeze, yes. Are you sure you got it?” Good. Have you been to some guru? Have you been to some other guru or someone? Nowhere, nowhere whatsoever? Have you been to someone? Have you been?” It’s all right. So somebody should attend to them. Come along, just see. Now you come along. You just get up and see for yourself the powers.

What have we done towards a higher Life? Caxton Hall, London (UK), 19 June 1979. Every time we have some people who are new and I have to again introduce the subject, tell you about it. We are here because we are seeking. We are seeking something of the beyond because we have a feeling within us that there is something that is beyond. But we have no guideline to understand what we have to do about it. In all the scriptures it was described that there is higher life, there is eternal life, there is Kingdom of God where you have to enter, that you are to be reborn. All this is Greek and Latin to most of the people and how to achieve it is another problem that faces us. For this we must ask one question to ourselves, “What have we done to achieve this human state?” From amoeba to this stage how did we come? Do you know what you did, what effort you put in, how many times you were standing on your heads breaking your bones? Did you see any cockroach working it out? Did you see any dog doing that or did you see yourself any time? Have you any memory of that, what have you done? In any human behaviour have you seen that for doing anything important we had to do something about it? For example, we have eyes. We have them. We haven’t done anything about getting them; they’re fixed properly. And this nose being fixed just in the centre – we haven’t done anything about it either. All this that we are supposed to be, of which we are very proud – we think we are Mr Such and such and such and such you see, the Mr Ego part. We must know first of all that this we have not done, we have not created ourselves. What else have we created? Let’s see. We have created this thing here. Now this is all dead, from dead to dead. What living work have we done, anything? Can you sprout a seed? Can you, even one? Even one you can’t do. So that means we have done nothing so far. It’s only a myth that we believe into that we do this and we do that. Some people traveling by train, if they put their luggage on their heads and think that they are carrying the luggage, what will you call that? It is the same way, is our being created specially for a special purpose. You may call it God. You may call it nature, whatever you may call it. But it is not done by you by any chance. Once you understand this then the second point comes in – how are we to be Self-realized? How are we to be in that consciousness? So the answer is you cannot do it Sir. If it is a living process, you cannot do it by anything. You cannot work it out. Is difficult to understand this proposition, but it’s a fact that you cannot do anything living and you cannot do this most dynamic thing within you that you take your second birth. If you could accept this assumption then we can go further, that you cannot do anything about it. So now we come to this conclusion that somebody must do it. The one who has done it so far is going to do it again. The one who has made this has also put a cord with it. He has made all the arrangements. In the same way, the one who has created you has made all the arrangements in your machinery, in your instrument, in this living machinery. He has created you so beautifully, you can’t imagine. And then here you are today just to be connected. And this can only be done through the Grace of God. A light which is not enlightened cannot enlighten another light. If you could accept this concept about your seeking, then we can go further with it. But if you think that by standing on your heads or paying Me some money you can achieve your realization, I am sorry, this is not the shop that sells it. This is a gift from God, is a Grace of God which is bestowed upon you, which you have to receive it. As you have received everything else, you are going to receive it also. But while receiving this being as a human personality you never said anything about it, you never questioned it. But when it is the Self-realization, I find everybody’s mind is very, very active. Now, you did not do it through rationality. Did you go to books to know how to breathe? Imagine if you had to read about it to find out how to breathe, what would have happened to us? Half of population problem would have been solved just like that. Very easy to do that way, isn’t it? But people just go and read books about how to get realization. It’s most surprising thing, I feel. How can you find it in the book, something that is living, which is to be actualized, which has to happen to you? How can you do it? But, you see, in our human understanding we are on our own, you see. Everybody is running amok, everybody is on their own. They think they have no connection with the whole. They are made by themselves. They are created by themselves. They are great people and they can run themselves very well, which is not a fact. You are a part of the whole and the whole has to decide for you how He has to enlighten you. It is He who has to make all these arrangements and it is He who has to bestow that gift upon you. This is Sahaja. Saha means with, Ja means born. It is born with you. Like a seed has got all the manifestations it has to pass through, all the maps that it is going to create, manifest, many trees that it has to go through in that little seed in that microscopic way, in the same way God has also placed in you long time back all the maps that you are going to be. So your plans have no meaning compared to His plan. Can you plan even one seed like that, even one? [Aside remarks apparently referring to a member of the audience] Just laugh it out. It’s all over, all right? The joke is over. She is one of them who has been jumping for it. That’s why she is laughing. Now, so it is effortless. It is spontaneous. No need to grow horns for it and wear funny dresses like clowns going around very seriously you see, that you are religious people, you are this, you are that. Whom you are proclaiming? The one who has created you knows you very well, thoroughly well. You wear any dresses, wear horns, or wear anything, He knows you too well and He knows who is ready for it and who is not. Supposing you paint a leaf like an apple or like a flower, do you think it will become a fruit? In the same way, even if you paint yourself as seekers write down and they put something like nails into their cheeks and they do all kinds of things in the name of God… Oh God, I tell them why don’t they have wisdom to sit down quietly? It is His job. He knows when to do it, when is the blossom time, how to do it. By doing all this, you have really ruined your instrument which is inside you like this. Now you may say that, “Mataji, how do you know about this one?” You should ask Me a question that way, “How do you know that there is an instrument?” I say that you should not immediately say, “All right, whatever You say is all right.” ‘‘No’’. But it will happen to you that this germination will take within you and then you will start knowing how I know. But for the time being let us see that as if you have entered into the first year of science, then once you have got something in you then you can see for yourself what happens. But a boy, who is shy of going to school, or of college, is just standing in the door and the mother is pulling him in, “Come along. Sit down. Sit down.” He says, “No, no, no, I am going away.” Like that if you behave then what am I to do about it? So just be open, come and sit down and I will tell you what is your being, what is the beyond, and what you have to expect. And when it happens, you see for yourself, then only you believe into Me. There is no use having blind people because you have to be awakened. If you are blind people, how am I going to awaken you? So you have to be absolutely open-minded. But, say, somebody comes from somewhere. He has read some book in Tibet or even Timbuktu. He comes to Me, “Mother, in that book such and such thing has been written.” Now, am I to go and read all those books for you? First of all, leave all your books outside. That’s the best way we can manage because most of you, I know, have read too many books and these books are sitting in your head and they will not allow any ideas to go into your head. So you have to vacate it a little bit, little bit for Me also. The other day I had to ask somebody to write all the books he had written and he took about fifteen minutes to write them down. Then I said, “Forget the books. Write the authors only.” Still he was thinking and thinking and thinking. It is so horridly sickening here the way people go on reading everything that we get, everything that we get. Even if they see a parcel which is covered with a newspaper, they will read that. Every advertisement we’ll read, every shop we must read, every… I mean such mad people, I tell you. They don’t have to buy something, but they will read the value of that. All the time we want to read something. That’s why, after so many days, somebody has written a book. I said, “All right, you read it because without reading you won’t listen to Me. So better read it.” So this is a happening within us, which is spontaneous as I told you, and this is the instrument we have within us. Now, if there is instrument or not you will not know. Like, in this room you come in, it’s all closed, It’s all dark and you cannot see anything and I tell you that go and speak on the mike. “Where is the mike? We can’t see it. How to speak?” Then you come around groping for things here and there. You may hold something as mike and start speaking. And you said, “I’am speaking toeveryone there,” and there is no connection at all. It is all darkness. You can’t see anything. Anything could be a mike for you. Maybe somebody’s hand you might hold and say, “Hello, how are you?” and all that. Yes, you can do anything in the darkness. Anything is possible. So it is necessary that there should be a light, all right? If there is no light how are we going to see? But it is difficult for human beings to understand that there is already a button within us which works it out. You don’t bother about it. But the problem is they think they are going to enlighten themselves, when they are in darkness. How are you going to do, I don’t understand that. But because Mr E G O – ego – is so strong that you cannot believe that you cannot just do it. It is nice to watch your Mr E G O. He is an interesting fellow you see, and he comes to you in such a funny manner that he denies all the truths of the world, and you take to something that’s absurd. Like, if I tell you, “All right, you have to pay me five hundred pounds per month,” you will starve yourself, eat potatoes, collect that and bring it to Me and come down and sit down and you have to stand on your heads. You will do that, three nights, three days together; you wouldn’t mind. But if I tell you, “You don’t have to do anything. You cannot pay Me anything. Just sit quietly it will work out. You say, “What? She’s useless, nothing. How can it be? She doesn’t take any money, nothing. How can it be? It’s absolutely useless.” So it is discarded. This is the ego pampering that people have used in their propagation of ideas. Try to understand it. Ego can make an idiot out of you, I can tell you, absolutely an idiot out of you. And they know how to pamper your ego. They will say, “Come along. You are the Archbishop of Canterbury.” So you become Archbishop of Canterbury. They’ll say, “Come along sit here. You are this, I’ll garland you, you are Bhoganand, you are Dhonganand.” Indians understand the meaning of this. And they will put you into new garments. You’ll say, “Oh, I have become such great saint, you know, and this…” You’ll wear a garland and this and walk about. What is that a sign of? Just tell Me. Only you feel like laughing at it. But they believe into it. They make you believe, you know, that you are great saints. All right, then you are great saints. You are awarded such and such great position. You think, “Oh, I am so great.” It’s everything empty inside. When are you going to face up to yourself and see that, no, no this is not the way? There must be some genuine innate within us that God must have placed that we are going to get it. It is He who loves us, He who is compassionate. It is He who has created this beautiful universe and He’s is not going to destroy it. He will not allow you to destroy it, let the whole satanic forces work out. He will see to it that it is safe and that you get His powers so that you enjoy them. Like a father who earns all his life, saves his property, makes a beautiful home for the children for them to enjoy. In the same manner, you understand the Father of fathers; how much He must have thought of you, how much to give you, what bounties to pour into you. So, this is the instrument as they, as you see them here. [FV WARNING – MP3 titled ‘1979-0619-1-What have We done towards a Higher Life_I_T02 ‘ starts from here and is of such poor quality that that its transcription cannot be relied on] This one is the cord as I said, the germinating power called as the Kundalini. That is called as Kundalini in the Sanskrit language because Kundala means a spiral, kundala. And there are three and a half seeds placed within you and this is an energy. This is an energy which starts from here. This is a residual energy [Not clear sounds like: ‘which has created the whole kingdom… created by God of the child.’] It resides here. The residual one resides here for the last happening of your evolution that is the breakthrough in [INAUDIBLE sounds like: ‘the awareness’]. It is set down there very nicely placed in the triangular bone so that nobody can touch it; it is so well [not clear sounds like: ‘boxed’] inside there. It stays there quietly recording all that you are doing in the searching. There it records spontaneously not because you belong to a certain clan or a certain club or certain dress, because you are a human being. Only the human beings have to surrender to the Kundalini within them. And this is through this Kundalini only you get the desire to know of the germinating power. Within you all these centres are placed in such a way which you can see with your naked eye when the Kundalini start pulsating there. You can see the pulsation of the Kundalini also here. It starts pulsating very violently in people who have an obstruction [not clear]. But in people who do not have any obstruction [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘it does not pulsate’]. But in this also [not clear, sounds like ‘as it is’] as the people are very anxious, to have it; they will have it somehow. We have had as a demand [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘if the thugs are’] there. So there is an aura / argument when Kundalini is there. But they said, “No, Kundalini needs help with because that (inaudible/pulsating.)” You cannot enter into this Kundalini unless and until you are really authorized by God. [INAUDIBLE] here outside this prostate gland where there is a pelvic plexus. According to them this centre which activates or which manifests the pelvic plexus, there is the Kundalini so that they say that is [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘sex energy’] And it suits us very well to understand. Now everybody does sex in [sounds like ‘animals’]. Are they going to get realization faster than you? They don’t have any sex education. Are they going to get any such state? How can it be [INAUDIBLE/insane]. [Not clear, sounds like ‘This plexus’] which is under our control. It has to be in a place which is not under our control because it is spontaneous and can only be handled by an authority. Say, for example, I have something on which I have an authority. I keep it in a place where My servants can’t touch and nobody can touch it. Only under My control, isn’t. it? Or should I keep it open to everyone? Then what is My control? But it is very hard for people to understand that it has nothing to do with sex. Sex is a different thing. It is the ultimate relationship with husband and wife. Kundalini has nothing to do with it. That’s why it’s placed below here [INAUDIBLE]. When the Kundalini pierces it doesn’t even touch this chakra. On the contrary on this centre, there is an embodiment of innocence which we call as Shri Ganesha. He is the one who incarnated later on here as Jesus. He is innocent and that’s why innocence means in the purest sense which cannot be contaminated or destroyed by these things. That is the source of our evolution. But then I find they [INAUDIBLE]. I met somebody a great psychologist. And he told Me that he went to India and he read about tantric, tantrikas and was very much impressed by it. “Really.” “Yes, they told me great thing that you can achieve your realization through sex.” If you go to some country [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘to its gutters and its outlets and its buffoons’], how can you understand the reality of that country? You do not go to any country ( inaudible) in a wastepaper basket, do you? But I don’t know why these wastepaper things are even worse than that, are so much impressive to these people. I have nothing to say more about this subject because it’s a sacred subject of [INAUDIBLE] I agree (sounds like- if you want to have sex have it /with it, they want to have this happening.) Nobody has to run away from the sex. It is another style of [INAUDIBLE] not only that they will say [INAUDIBLE], all right, let him enjoy the way. Why because in the [INAUDIBLE]. And you take it very easily into your heads like that. Now it’s a big warning today. You will know that all these things, either running away from the sex or running towards the sex, is not going to take you to your realization. Only what is going to work out the realization is God’s grace. For this you can’t allow [INAUDIBLE]. There was a gentleman from [Not clear] who came to see Me on the way to the airport, imagine. He was just going to the airport, coming there to learn about self-realization, you can imagine, [Sounds like ‘such a short time’]. Of course, I don’t [INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘do this by-the-way’] . And he came there, on a running horse stopped for a while. And he would not listen to Me, see. And somebody saw this photograph outside [INAUDIBLE] What did he learn? He said, “He said that the Kundalini is in the [INAUDIBLE].” Oh God, I never said that. He wrote it down like that very nicely. And so many people started writing letters to Me. “Mother, when will you come here? You see we want to have our Kundalini awakened.” Because it was connected with a sex symbol, just imagine what absurd thing. Everybody was interested in talking. So I told them, “What is this nonsense? There must be ( inaudible/a misunderstanding]. This fellow was out of his mind. [INAUDIBLE] I don’t know how [INAUDIBLE]. They all stopped writing to Me. They’re not interested. Do you think God’s temple is a brothel? What have we done to Him? How much we have insulted Him? You think. Now the Kundalini comes up to that centre here [INAUDIBLE] which I have told you last time is the solar plexus. It is very important [INAUDIBLE]. I told you about these things (INAUDIBLE) first the animal state [INAUDIBLE]. I mean, that they [INAUDIBLE]. Then at the human state when (they reach they raise their heads (inaudible)(could be – start thinking of God, start thinking.) Animals don’t think of it. They take it for granted (inaudible). There are many human beings are like that. They don’t know. They take it for granted and settle down nicely, morning read the newspaper, go to the office, come back home, go to the pub, come back home. All their life is lived like that. [They used to/first they) die, again they are born, (inaudible/ they used to die]. They have no seeking. There are many human beings of this kind. But there are some great persons who have been seeking, seeking and seeking for ages. Now this seeking starts at this level and the solar plexus is the one [INAUDIBLE]. You start thinking about the beyond. It comes to us in our previous life, in many guidelines in many [INAUDIBLE]. Various incarnations tell us that there is beyond. For example [INAUDIBLE]. There are ten primordial masters [INAUDIBLE] the principles of [INAUDIBLE] within us [INAUDIBLE] all of them are there. All those [INAUDIBLE] came as incarnations actually placed on this chakra and are within us. These are the ones [INAUDIBLE]. So that’s why we have to imbibe all these primordial masters, the real ones, I have to say. They [INAUDIBLE] that there is a light beyond. This is all is a dream. Is all is myth the reality lies within us. So we start thinking about this awakening of this dream. The other day I asked the question, because I want to ask questions also, so that the knowledge is absolutely open. There should be no secrecy about it. I ask the question say that you can say that “Mother if this is true, then the second one could be also secondary.” But it is not. Because the findings of the secondary whatever they are like vibrations [INAUDIBLE] can be used [INAUDIBLE] and that is why it is not [INAUDIBLE]. [FV: MP3 titled ‘1979-0619-1-What have We done towards a Higher Life_I_T03’ starts from here and is of better quality] Now these things have been described to us by many Gurus and, we can say, many great incarnations who came on this earth and they told us about how we have been conducting our life, and how we should conduct our life, how we ought to live our life. All these great people and the scriptures have given us the idea that there is a life beyond, there is an eternal life which we have to achieve. So the supply starts also from the people who want you to achieve that eternal life. Now, the people who try to do that, first they must know that as it is a spontaneous thing you cannot pay for it. For example, how much money will you pay to sprout a seed? You don’t put pennies there and pour water. This is the first principle we must know, absolutely. It is a gift. The second principle is that if somebody has to give us something then his life has to be above board. But many people like to cheat themselves morning till evening wasting their lives in the name of seeking. You must know that human life is the most important thing God has created and you have to find out your meaning. You have to get it. You are the ones who are going to get it and nobody else. They go into all kinds of nonsensical things in the name of seeking. Like, they will say, “All right, if you eat potatoes you will get God.” Yes, there are people who say like that but we believe into all these, we will starve ourselves and then die. Because as it is, the pocket is finished so you die. We have to live on a diet [INAUDIBLE]. Secondly, we have to know that when you get Self-realization, you should get your own powers. You should not live on the powers of somebody else. But you should manifest your own powers and that you should get self-knowledge. How will you get your self-knowledge unless and until your attention goes above you? Unless and until your attention can see you, how can you get your self-knowledge? For example, now if I say that you are this light, you say, “No, Mother, we are not,” because you can see. If I say, “You are this chair,” you say, “No.” “You are this body.” “No” “Then you are this thought.” “No.” You can see all that. But what is seeing it? The one that is seeing it is the Spirit is the Atma within you. Unless and until your attention touches that spirit and sees through the window of that spirit, you cannot understand what is the matter with you. If you are sitting in the house, how will you know what’s the matter with the architecture of this house? You have to go outside and see. In the same way, unless and until your attention goes to that position from where you can see what is wrong with you, you cannot understand what is yourself is, what is your being is, what are your chakras like. But the most surprising thing is that when it happens to you, when the Kundalini rises piercing all these centres and opens out of the fontanel bone, then you start feeling the vibrations flowing in your hands, is the actualization. What flows through you is the pulsation of the Spirit. And you can see the pulsation flowing through you through which you can judge your own centres and the centres of the others, because you jump into a new awareness called as collective consciousness. Actually, it is actualization. It is not lecturing, “You are my brother; I am your sister,” till there is a war. As soon as the war starts, forget it. It’s a fact. It’s an actualization within you that you start feeling others within you, that you know that we are part of the whole. Not through your brain, but through actualization in your awareness it happens. Unless and until that happens to you, you are not to believe anybody. We are seeking the wholesomeness, our wholesomeness. We are seeking our relation with the whole. We have to become the whole. For that, there is this mechanism placed within you, and when this happens, you start feeling the whole. And this is what is you are seeking. But actually what happens (is) that it works on you like a human awareness, you get another awareness which you can call as super-consciousness. But there are other consciousness which we can call as the subconscious mind and the supra-conscious. Like in the past is the subconscious. Supra-conscious is the future. That’s on the left and the right. You can start moving on these lines. And there could be some spirits, some dead spirit, they may jump on to you and you will start behaving in such a manner that you cannot control. What is going to happen is that the Kundalini rises very smoothly within you and gets that state. You ‘become’ that. It is ‘the becoming’ through this happening. We should certify and not anything else. Talking about it or giving lectures about it or collecting money for it, this is all absolutely nonsense. When you’ll discover it, you’ll be shocked. So first thing you must know that you have to achieve it within yourself as an experience, as an experience, not as a shock or a sensation. Some people feel very happy I told them, they went to somebody to see, they said, “What happened to you?” He said, “I was getting shocks all the time.” I said, “What, shock?” “Yes, there was sensation about it.” I said, “Will God shock you all the time?” I mean, imagine how they you expect such things to happen to you that you are shocked all the time? Another one was shaking all the time like this, you see, shouting all the time. I said, “What is all that?” He said, “That is what I have got now, Self-realization.” I said, “Oh God.” Somebody was shouting like a… you can say crying like a crow, sometimes like a, like a lion roaring. Are we going to become crows now after becoming human beings, or frogs, jumping like a frog? Why are we cheating ourselves? Don’t you want to become that superhuman being? This human life is very important. Don’t waste it. It’s a misidentification. You have to become the higher personality where you feel the whole is the main point, where you can feel your own powers emitting by which you can cure people, you can give them mental peace and you yourself can raise the Kundalini with your hand. It’s so simple. Now people say, “How can it be? It’s so difficult?” Yes it is. It is for people who do not know the job. Now supposing you want Me to fix it up here, I cannot do it. I just cannot. I may fix it there or there; I don’t know how to do it. And it will take four hours for Me to fix this one, I can tell you. But, say, Douglas knows the job. He does it very well. I have no problem because he can do it. If he can do it, I do not feel inferior to him. Why should you feel inferior if I know the job? Why do you feel inferior? Immediately everybody will ask, “How do you do it?” But I know the job. You should see for yourself if I know or not. If I know it, you better have it. If you know some job, I do not feel inferior to you. In the same way, if I know, what’s the harm? I mean, somebody has to do it. If I had not done it, you would have done it. But perhaps they selected Me. I don’t know why. I have to do it and I can do it. So it is better not to quarrel with yourself, misidentifying with your… with things which are not true, which are false and keep yourself away from the truth. Try to achieve it for anything whatsoever. It is most important is to know your meaning, to get your powers. What I do is just to give you the key. It is your own power. It’s all your own. It is your own right to get it. There’s no obligation at all, nothing. Nothing in return. It’s just love that flows and works it out. You don’t have to pay for it. You don’t have to do anything. You just receive it. It is a gift. Do not criticize it but receive it. That is the way it is. Now this is the subject, as I said, cannot be covered in such a short time. And I have been talking and talking in various places, in [sounds like Charlington]. I would say if you have any questions, you can ask. But ask, please, sensible questions. You see, not like, “In that book I have read something,” and all that, but something sensible. Don’t try to show off your knowledge, because with your knowledge you have achieved nothing. If you had achieved, then you [INAUDIBLE]. The other day one lady told Me, “I am all right. What’s wrong with me?” I said, “Nothing, you go home and sleep, that’s the best thing. Why did you come here? That’s the only mistake.” If you are seeking, then all right, come as a seeker and then have it. You do not know anything about yourself, where are the centres. You do not know about others. You cannot do anything about others. You cannot say where is the other person is moving, what is his trouble, what is his problem. And then if you think that you are perfectly all right then thank you very much, but don’t disturb others. So I would request you to ask Me questions which are sensible, which are good for your evolution. I know who are the real seekers and who are not. And despite all that you will be amazed, Kundalini awakening is blessed on everyone. But those who do not take to it, do not accept it and do not go about it, lose it. God is not going to fall at your feet for it. But I have seen, because in Sahaja Yoga there is complete freedom for you, complete freedom for you… And I am in my own complete freedom. That’s why I respect your freedom. But that doesn’t mean that you should try to disturb others. That won’t be good. You have to be considerate about it and please ask questions which will help you and help Me. May God bless you. Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: I have already told you, My child, that you did not know anything about you and you became a human being. In the same way, even if you do not know through My lecture, you can become that and you get the light within. And then I’ll tell you all about it. If you want Me to tell you all, all, every detail, you’ll get bored and I‘ll be bored too, all right? So let’s have it. Like I would say I have done the cooking for you so you have it; enjoy it. And then I’ll tell you from where I got this [ INAUDIBLE sounds like ‘Gurupad’], all right? Is that all right for you? Nothing to worry. You cannot know it through language. It has to work out. It has to work out within you and then you will know. And you’ll be amazed how you will grow, how you will mature. We had a boy of sixteen years who came to Me only six months back, and if you see his knowledge you will be stunned, you will be amazed. Question: [INAUDIBLE] Shri Mataji: See, it is not a power of electricity. It is a power that loves, that coordinates, that thinks. Can you think of such a power that loves? So it’s all right. You will see it and work it out. You’ll be amazed how it works, that it starts flowing through you, all right? Then you, you, somebody is suffering, he’s got a pain, you just put your hand there. It’s a state which is described in the Bible, all right? Sit with your hands like this in any case when the questions are asked. Put your both the feet straight on the ground. Just, just stay. You need not be very serious. Neither should… you shouldn’t be very frivolous. Is the, is the thing of play, you see. It’s a play of God. So it happens, nothing serious. If it doesn’t happen also today, doesn’t matter. I am going to be in London for minimum six years. So you can have it. See if it can happen in a second then why should you worry? It is going to work out. Please put your hands like this, just like this. You may close your eyes if you can. Some people might get little flutter in the eyes. There’s nothing to be worried about it. Keep your eyes open. That means your eyes are very tired; just then keep your eyes open. Now you watch your thoughts. Just see, ask your mind, “What are you thinking?” Just watch your mind, what it is thinking. If it is blank then the second step you should see if you are getting any cool breeze in the hand. Which means the first one where you have no thought. And the second one, one may feel heat in the hand or tingling in the hand or may also feel a numbness. But after a few minutes you will start feeling the cool breeze. And it works so wonderfully that second time you come I won’t recognize you, such a change that comes. Now those who are feeling cool breeze in the hand please raise your hands, all of you. Those who are feeling cool breeze, all of you. What about the Indians? [Mother speaks in Hindi} Are you getting it? You? Are you feeling it? Did not get it yet? Do the men believe in God or no? You,are you getting it or no? Not coming? Again let’s see, good. Again let’s see, good. It’s working out, very good. It’s working out, good. See, it will work out just like the tree, if you see the blossom time the flowers are turning into fruits, you see. Gradually it works out. So leave it alone. It should work out. If it has not, there’s nothing wrong, just allow it to work out, just allow. It’s the greatest thing that should happen to you, just allow. Close your eyes it would be better because when the Kundalini rises, you see, eyes get dilated. So just close your eyes. You’ll feel better. Just close your eyes. Liver, very bad, horrible liver and suicidal tendency; heart, very bad. You look after him. He’s your friend. Do not disturb others. Keep quiet. Be quiet. You have to be there for five to ten minutes at the most. Please close your eyes. Please close your eyes if you are asking for something eternal. Be humble about it. Be humble about it. You say the mantra of Gruha Laxmi. All of you should keep your eyes closed. Now those who are feeling cool breeze raise your hand. All those, all those who are feeling cool breeze raise your hands. Good. Are you feeling? Not yet? They’ll all come and see you if you are really that or not, so nothing to worry. If you are not feeling it’s all right. If you are sure you are not feeling then raise your hands. If you are not feeling, you are sure, please. Who else? You, what about you, are you feeling? Are you feeling? Are you feeling any cool breeze in the hand nothing? This lady, nothing? You two, three and four. [Mother is talking in Hindi]. You are also not feeling? You are feeling it. Is this child feeling it? Are you feeling? Do you drink? Yes, you drink. Now it should be. All right, you got it, cool breeze, yes. Are you sure you got it?” Good. Have you been to some guru? Have you been to some other guru or someone? Nowhere, nowhere whatsoever? Have you been to someone? Have you been?” It’s all right. So somebody should attend to them. Come along, just see. Now you come along. You just get up and see for yourself the powers.

6/20/1979

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“When in darkness,” Dollis Hill Ashram, London, England. 20 June 1979. …Then he starts treating people, then he passes negativity more. And it starts appearing to be something good, you see. Sometimes he also feels that he’s acquired more powers, because these spirits are very cunning and they establish that kind of an atmosphere. So one has to be careful. There’s a regular warfare going on. And that’s why we have to just keep our spirits all right. And cowardice has no place in this war. The whole thing will work out very well if people are identified with the Truth. But Truth, as you know, is very difficult to be identified with; very difficult for human beings, absolutely next to impossible. If you tell them to be idiots, they’ll accept you. If you tell them to be stupid, they’ll accept you. Any sort of a thing that makes them look absolutely donkeys, they will do it. If you tell them to be false, they will do it. If you create any atmosphere of falsehood, they’ll accept you. But the truth? Very difficult. Very difficult. Even you will know there are some people that see my photograph and they get the cool breeze, but then when they see me fully, they cannot. Because when they see the photograph there’s a lot of darkness still in them. So they believe into me because of that part of that is darkness, because I’m just a photograph. But as soon as they see me they just don’t want to accept me. We had a very nice place in Delhi: I asked Gregoire to go and speak to the girls of Delhi University. Him being a young white person and handsome and all that, they were all very much impressed. And with that thing, I mean, he was saying that there’s somebody like that. And they were feeling the vibrations all right. But when they came to me they never felt any vibrations. Just imagine! From Gregoire they were feeling, not from me! But then they recovered from it and now they are much better off. But this was the thing. So, because of this, the people who represent darkness and falsehood are more successful. The spiritualists are much more successful than a saint. Yogi: I never had to pay any money. This can be also because they do not know; they are very intentioned, they think they have got powers. You are human. And by that they have a satisfaction to say that, “We are doing good to others.” But they do not know the know-how, you see. That is the point. Because here the people are not that cunning as we have in India. If they know that they are doing harm, they would not do it. We have very cunning people in our country: even if they know they are doing harm, still they’ll do it if they can get some money out of you. So they haven’t got any conscience about it. So, here if the people see that they have done good to someone then they start doing it, thinking they have powers, this, that. Because sometimes also they get a vision, sometimes they get a feeling: all these things can be there due to these spirits coming in. In India it is a very common experience of many people. They worship a deity all the time, and suddenly they find [that] the garland that they put into the neck of the deity gets up from there and comes into their own necks. Then they think, “Now God has accepted us as great saints!” Finished! This is their idea. Now it is nothing but some dissatisfied soul who puts it on them. And they start believing into it, that it is God who has done it. Then they will start a big place and will announce to everyone that, “I am a saint and this will happen and that will happen.” And people are also impressed with this kind of thing. And they would again ask for this thing to happen. There are people who start getting this red kumkum from their hands flowing. So people believe into it. They think that, “Yes, must be something great, otherwise how can this red powder [be] flowing from their hands?” Or sometimes ashes start [flowing]. And we have got, say in Bombay we have a temple, we have a temple of Mahalakshmi, and they think that Mahalakshmi temple is the place where the Goddess resides. No doubt there is a very genuine temple, I would say. Not temple, but even the statue is absolutely genuine. But the people who are there are so funny that they get hold of some maid servants and then spirits comes into them. They start doing, “Hooo, huuu,” like that. This is called as dhagni tirani: means there’s a big pot you get for water. And in that water they go on saying, “Huuuun, huuuun,” inside the water, and they get those spirits into them. And then they go on, “Huuuun, huuuun,” like that. All the people go on like that, all these maid servants. And then these people come and ask them questions, like, “What is the horse we are going to get?” “Where is my brother?” All this. And they answer, then they believe into it. So they get some money. But these women are horrible women in their own lives and they are always sick and they are very unhappy. But they believe into it. They believe into all these things and they do it. And while doing it, they don’t know that they are doing anything wrong. But they get sick and they are very, very unhappy, and ultimately they die a very bad death. There was one like that in Poona, whom they called as Mamaji, means uncle. And he was a very, very famous man in Poona. Even the police used to use that man for doing this spirits’ job. But they knew that those were spirits and these are not Gods. Only these women, the way they do it, they think it is the Goddess that has come into them. Now Goddess should have some sense to come into these horrible women, isn’t it! But people don’t think about it; so they believe into it. But this man, this gentleman who was in Poona, because I was staying with the police commissioner there, the police commissioner called him and so he came and he told me, “Mother, I really wanted to meet You for one reason that I’m now fed up of these spirits that I have used, and if You could get rid of them I’ll be very happy, because now I’m being tortured by them. And I know what sort of a death I am going to have: they are going to eat my flesh one by one and I’m going to die much earlier, before my death, the way they will torture my life.” So all this, he was frightened about, because he had seen other also people who did this kind of work, tantrikas, suffering. So he was very much frightened. So I said, “All right, then you ask for the Parama,” means the highest. “You ask for that superior thing, superior most.” He said, “All right, I ask for it.” I said, “All right, say it thrice that you ask for it.” He said, “Yes, give me that, Mother. Give me that. Give me that.” I said, “All right, I’ll give you that.” And he got his realisation, to start with. He got the vibrations above all that. I said, “Now you have lost all these horrible bhoots and their powers and now you’ll have your own powers coming in and they will act. These, your own, powers will act which you can be able to manoeuvre and help others.” He could not believe in me. He thought that whatever he had for twenty-five years, how can he get rid of them just like this? So he went to the police commissioner and told him that, “Oh, Mataji is telling me like this. I don’t believe it. I can always call those spirits.” The police used to use him for detecting crimes and things. So he said, “All right, if you think so, why not call one of the spirits? Say your mantra.” He started saying mantras, nobody would come in. He tried for half an hour, nobody would come in. He said, “Do you mean to say I’ve lost all that?” I said, “Yes.” I said, “Now thank your stars you will have better death at least!” That’s how it works out. But even in Sahaja Yoga you will be surprised, in the beginning of Sahaja Yoga, even in the beginning of Sahaja Yoga… Shri Mataji: Regis, tell him how to sit with his left hand towards me and right hand outside: this gentleman. No, near the door. He’s a great believer in the Goddess. He’s a Devi bhakta. …So, it so happened that I went to America. Before going to America I told this lady that, “You are all right but your guru has been doing all these tricks of spirits. So you will get those spirits into you, and it will try to entice you. Because they don’t want to give up their people. They have no freedom and once they try to get out, they just try to again entice you.” So she told me, “No, no. You just don’t worry about me Mother I’ll keep myself all right.” Then, you know, in her own house she started a centre. She put up my big photograph. And people who come to her and she started first giving them Sahaja Yoga and this and that. And then suddenly she started feeling something falling from her hands. And they were some rice, the rice which is being reddened by this kumkum: we call it as akshata. And she was so surprised at it, that it has started falling from her. And gradually everybody was surprised and they said lots of people started coming to her. Then they started asking her questions like, “Where is my brother?” “Where is my father?” “What is the horse?” this, that. And she started answering that, that, “You know, horse is going to win this race.” And they won that race. One fellow had put lot of money somewhere and he had forgotten about it, in a big house, so she told also, where is the money. And they were all very much impressed because they are very materialistic people. They are only interested in what money we are going to get, or what health problems they have. They are not interested in Self-realisation. Very, I should say, low-graded people they are. So they were just worried about this, not worried about Self-realisation. And all such people started coming to her who were not interested in Self-realisation but in all these things. And she became very popular; she became so popular that there were, sometimes used to be three thousand people ,and she had to take a hall and this and that. And I came to know about it somehow within myself and I immediately sent a telegram to her saying that, “Please stop all that nonsense and please don’t do all this.” And she could not believe in this. Then when I went to India, about a month later, she had not yet stopped. And by that time what had happened, she said, “No, Mataji came to me and she told me that, carry on. I saw her standing before me, she said so,” and all that. In that short time that I was [not] there, I mean one month or so I was not there, she started using a big whips and a big stick to hit people, “To take out their devils,” she said. And she used to hit them very badly on their backs. And it was so horrible that some people broke their backs and all sorts of things happened. And she was using a stick, and sometimes a very flexible one, so that they would get marks on their body. By the time I reached she came to see me, and some of the Sahaja Yogis joined hands with her. It was so silly that I just could not understand how these people all joined hands with her. And then she came to me and she said, “I have started a very big organisation in Your name Mother. You must come. You must go there.” So I told the Sahaja yogis, “None of you need come. I will go myself.” So I went down. She came and she opened the door of my thing, she washed my feet and lots of water she brought and then she washed my feet with milk and all sorts of things. I was just feeling very embarrassed about the whole thing! I didn’t know what to do. I went up to the room and she made me sit down there and all these people were singing my praise, this, that. I was very embarrassed: everywhere I could see all these horrible, these spirits sitting down there and mocking at me. I said, “You are going to be eat a great lout.” And I didn’t know what to do and how to tell them about this. And then they started saying, “Hoooon! Hoooon!” I said, “I have had it now here!” I said, “All right, I am all right. I am going back.” She said, “We’ll do your puja.” I said, “No, no, you are not well. I’m going back home, you come and see me there.” She was very happy. Next day she came, she thought I was going to say, “Oh, bravo. You have done very well.” So when she came and sat next to me she said, “Now see, Mother, see how many powers You have given me. I am so powerful!” I said, “Really? I must say you have some powers isn’t it?” She said, “Yes.” I said, “All right, will you tell this gentleman about him?” So she started telling him that, “You were born in such a place and you have a house like this.” He said, “Not me. It’s not me. You are telling about somebody else.” Then there was a lady sitting there. She said, “You are a person who has got a clerk in your business who is like this, whose name is this.” She said, “I don’t have a business. I don’t have a clerk.” She looked at me. She said, “Mother, have you taken away all my powers?” I said, “If they were your powers I would have respected you and loved you. But these were somebody else’s powers. As soon as you have entered into my house they have left you completely. And now you go back you can get them back again unless and until you say that I want the eternal, the eternal, and eternal. And after this you have to be very, very particular and watch yourself, your attention, whether you are accepting these negativities or not.” She said, “Yes, I want the eternal, eternal and eternal.” And she was all right, and she went back home and she was all right for about fifteen days. But you see, popularity of that kind is very difficult, to avoid the temptations. That’s why it is said, “Lead us not into temptation,” with that same thing, “but deliver us from evil,” for the same reason: because evil is standing in every corner you walk through. And she fell into this. And when she fell into this, she started another organisation of her own and she started this and that, and she was so frantic. Nowadays, for your information, she’s a very serious patient in a lunatic asylum. So, human beings are like that: they take to such things. I mean, that time only about one hundred and fifty or two hundred people used to come and meet me, while she was getting three thousand. People want darkness, they want falsehood, they want that somebody should hoodwink them. They want somebody should befool them. They want to live with the befooling. And those who know this and know how to handle it, they’ll just keep you on the run. They will keep you on the run all the time, that you’ll be befooled you from this place to that place, and that place to that place. Now, there can be people who are extremely simple-hearted. But the simplicity goes to this limit that they cannot recognise the reality. You have to be in the centre otherwise you can become a simpleton. And that simpleton-ness can really be very killing. But if the person is say, very intelligent, he relies on his intelligence, then they will play on your intelligence. They will pump up your ego. They’ll do this and do that, and somehow or the other they will get you there, because they are extremely cunning people. They are the embodiment of cunningness. So you cannot outwit them because whatever intelligence you have is limited while they have such a lot of intelligence of such a crooked nature that you cannot go to their level. After all, you have your conscience with you. So they have no conscience and they play about so much that they really hoodwink you and you do not know about it. And that’s how you will find that all the incarnations who came on this Earth were killed, crucified, poisoned, like Mohammed Sahib was poisoned; or harassed, or sent to forests like Rama; and Krishna: tortured by many rakshasas who went to kill him. All sorts of things. I mean, there is no incarnation who has not suffered. So that now people think that if you do not suffer you cannot go to God. This is another madness people have, that you must suffer to go to God. So they are all carrying the cross. It was for Christ to carry the cross, not for you people. So there is no need for you to be that miserable and take the sufferings upon yourself. There’s no need at all to suffer. There is no need at all to unnecessarily torture your bodies, unnecessarily torture your being to such a limit that you are absolutely useless for the day when you are going to be crowned. Come here, come in! Let him have a chair... So this is what I tell you: that falsehood is easily acceptable to people. People accept falsehood with such gusto and with such force and they do not even see what is happening, they just rush to it. Because we have lived with it. First of all you have lived with matter. We are identified with it because we have lived with it, because we do not know what is the Truth. We have lived with untruth. We have lived with the dreams. We have not lived with the awakened state. We are not yet identified with that awakened state. That’s why you are awakened, then you go off to sleep. Again you are awakened, again you go off to sleep. You are more identified with sleep than with awakened state: that’s why it happens all the time. Sometimes people say, “Mother, Sahaja Yoga also, when we get realisation again we go down.” But what can we do? You see, it’s not the responsibility of Sahaja Yoga that it should just shoot you off to that place. It is also your responsibility in a way, that if you have had problems within you and there are pouches and ditches where you are physically hurt, mentally hurt, everybody hurt. So then what happens? That power which has really touched on top, goes back and tries to establish it. It happens like that, so [there’s] nothing to feel bad: it will again come up. It has to make your instrument all right, because your instrument has gone into horrible things. Especially very funny habits one develops by these horrible devils coming into you. Even a person, if he drinks too much, then know that he’s possessed. If a person he talks very much, or he jabbers, or he’s harsh, then know that he’s possessed. All the time if he has a habit to snap at someone, shout at someone, or strict at someone then know that he is a possessed man. Or if he has a habit to be quiet unnecessarily, he tries to be quiet all the time, then know that he’s possessed. Any extreme behaviour is only caused by spirits. Actually what happens [is] that, when we go to the extremes, our human awareness cannot bear it. Then what happens [is] that we just ask for help from outside. And there are many busybodies around: they just enter into you and start munching. There is no need to strain your being so much and go to extremes. You have to be just in the centre. Actually, this country or any of the Western countries, I thought, would have been very good for you because you are saints and that you would have lived with a very temperate life. There was not such problems as we had in India, or in any other developing countries. I thought you will be much better off here, but, on the contrary, what I find: the material life that provided everything for you, made a slave out of you. You even have habits of matter! Now when you have habits of matters, there are some other habits can be put into you. And the habits that are put into you by these… Shri Mataji: Just keep your hands like this. Yogi: He’s very badly damaged. Shri Mataji: Very bad? All right, you put your left hand. You can stand or put your left hand inside ??. He’s from the same course as you have been (TM) and he has been jumping all the time, poor thing. You can go there, in the door where Hesta is. And he has really hurt himself. All of them are hurt in their bones, all of them. Any man who has no sense left of the dharma, or of his balances is a man who is possessed. Anyone who is doing a crime which he does not understand is also possessed. Or a human being, say a man having a relation with a man, is a possessed condition. If a woman has relations with a woman, it is a possessed condition. It is not a condition of a normal person. And human beings have to be normal human beings. If a woman, if she doesn’t care for her chastity and she leads a fast life that means she’s possessed. If she goes about with many men that means she’s possessed. If the men do that they are also possessed. They cannot be normal people who do all this. You see, whatever are the sustenance of human beings are also the powers of human beings. Like that, we can see the people who are in the centre, the people who are sustained, they do not have all these temptations. I mean, they just don’t like it. They are just normal people. And that is what one loses gradually by doing extremes. And you don’t even realise. The whole society could be like that: possessed, with ideas. You can see what foolish things we are doing in this country. I know in India they do all sorts of nonsensical things: like telling lies, and cheating people, fraud and all that is very common in India. But here the other things are there. Like the way we are wasting our energy in nonsensical things about sex and about flirting and all this nonsense. Flirting is nothing but a virus infection of sex. Your eyes are caught up. Really, it is the infection of the eyes, and it comes into the eye, you see. Then you start looking here and there. You don’t know what you are looking. Flirting, if you ask them, they have no joy in it. They just see around. They see one place to another, one woman to another. Then the woman catches it, the woman gets it. You are just looking like this. You don’t know why. It’s a such a waste of energy. Actually, I didn’t know what was flirting. But once, when I went to America, in seventy-three, a young boy came to me and he said, “Mother, why do I look at all these women? I waste such a lot of energy. Why can’t I keep straight? What is the need to look at them?” They do not know anything to it: any woman passing. Then the woman also would dress up in such a way that she would attract somebody else. So that this is also another kind of fraternity working. And the whole game starts. We find even in places like people are above sixty years, they do the same nonsense. It’s something surprising that even they are not mature, because if you get this poison into you then you do not mature. It’s like any fruit which is infected cannot mature. It’s an infection and when it comes into you, you do not mature. That’s why you find even eighty-year-old people behaving just like silly young twenty-five year olds. That sort of people you find, so commonly here, where you go. You feel so ashamed and embarrassed. And a eighty-year-old woman starts telling you about her love affairs and you just don’t know where to look! And it’s very common. They boast of it and they talk like that. Their talking is so funny that you can’t imagine. It’s most embarrassing the way they talk about things and the way they live. There was a lady who told me: she is a lady of a good family and an ambassador’s wife, and she told me there’s a very great writer here, she was about eighty years of age and she writes lots of books on philosophy and things. So she invited this lady, the ambassador’s wife, for a lunch party. And she said, “Why lunch? I could come for dinner with my husband.” She said, “No, no, no. I want you for lunch and give you a nice time. I’ll get you a boyfriend.” She said, “Are you joking?” She said, “No, I have one, my own: about twenty-four years. And what years’ age do you want?” She was shocked. She said, “What? I don’t want all that.” She said, “You must know. You see, you women are no good. Eastern women are no good. You must learn how to enjoy life!” She said, “I am sorry. I am not to learn that!” And she just put down the phone. Now this lady is writing books on philosophy! See the stupidity to which people are taking. And she is one of the most successful writers in England. I don’t know her name. She didn’t tell me the name. But this is what it is. She’s successful because she is spreading darkness. Because people want to live with whatever they were. They were in darkness, they were just matter: this dead matter is just darkness. It has no awareness in it. Then the animals have a little bit of awareness. And they come to a point when they are human beings. They have passed through millions of years with that ignorance and that darkness and they more adhere to it than to something that is beyond. They only evolve because God’s grace is there, otherwise they would never have evolved. Because God has put some sort of a seeking in their stomach that for food, for other things, they start evolving. And when they start evolving they reach a stage of human consciousness. Now at human consciousness if I have to say that you have to face the reality, why should you? You think that, “If I have to face reality then I have to work for it.” Because that is another thing you have done so far. You think that you have done something all the time to achieve something [and that] if you have to achieve something then you must put in effort. Then you do not want to take that path when you were dark. We have done nothing to become a human being, and that, if we have to go further we are not to do anything about it. On the contrary you start running fast, very fast, and if you know the phrase that, “You take two running jumps and go to hell”. It’s like that, for example. And you speed up so much on that, that then you land into difficulty. That’s why it is necessary to understand that you are human beings and at this time you have [been] given freedom, absolute freedom. Because you have to see your own evolution. Because you are free you can see it. If you were part and parcel of God and if He had done for you, then you would not have seen it, like animals have not seen it. But this you have to see and you have to be aware of it. That’s why you have been given freedom. If you are not away from me how will you see me? And this is the reason you were separated from The Whole, so that you can see that you become The Whole. While the animals do not see it because they are dark. They are part of The Whole, they are looked after, they live like that, they don’t get ego, they don’t get superego, they do not speed up suddenly, they do not do all these things, as you do. They do not have insurances! They are sensible, we think. So we go down to them and want to learn something from them. And what do we learn from them? Their sex behaviour! Imagine. This is human brain, specially made: real clowns! The way we look at things I don’t know how: whatever is to be done we just do in the other way round style. Like, what you have to learn from animals [is] that they are one with The Whole, the trees are one with The Whole. When there is spring the trees will bring out yellow flowers, when there is the summer they’ll bring out the red flowers, and that’s how they express the colours. While they are looked after: whether they are here or anywhere, they are looked after. The nature looks after them. There is a circle between them. If the trees have the leaves they emit carbon dioxide. Then that has to have a circle again. So the leaves have to fall down into the ground because the nature must take nitrogen from them, and must replace it back to them, to nourish them again, so they can go into that cycle of movement. And from how it moves from one end to another. How carbon dioxide goes into the air and how it is again reconverted back and how the whole thing is worked out in a cycle is done. But they do not know all about it. They do it blindly. Absolutely blindly they are doing it, because they are blind; because they don’t need to know. Like the small little babies and puppies of the dog, if you see, they are blind; they don’t know how to go about. They just feel their mother and just go and start sucking the breast and take [milk], feeding. You have seen them, very sweet ones! They can’t see anything. They just smell something, they go down there and do it. So the mother looks after them at that time, and she does everything that is needed even when they are blind. When you are also little children, when this is not covered up, closed, your mother looks after you, your father will look after you. They treat you just like a part of them all the time. All the time they are worried about you. Not in modern times, of course. Modern times are one of the most convoluted ones. But they used to do that way. But [when] you are grown-up then they give you freedom to know that you are grown-up. And that is how God wants you to know that you have evolved, you have received your Realisation. That you have become what you had to become. Because you have to now really re-manifest God’s powers. This is the thing we have to understand. And then we should know what is our role in life, and what are we doing, where are we, how are we placed, what is our position. This should give you the complete energy to get to your Self, and work it out. May God bless you all. Rustom what was the matter? Why didn’t you come? Rustom: I have just come Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. (end of recording)

“When in darkness,” Dollis Hill Ashram, London, England. 20 June 1979. …Then he starts treating people, then he passes negativity more. And it starts appearing to be something good, you see. Sometimes he also feels that he’s acquired more powers, because these spirits are very cunning and they establish that kind of an atmosphere. So one has to be careful. There’s a regular warfare going on. And that’s why we have to just keep our spirits all right. And cowardice has no place in this war. The whole thing will work out very well if people are identified with the Truth. But Truth, as you know, is very difficult to be identified with; very difficult for human beings, absolutely next to impossible. If you tell them to be idiots, they’ll accept you. If you tell them to be stupid, they’ll accept you. Any sort of a thing that makes them look absolutely donkeys, they will do it. If you tell them to be false, they will do it. If you create any atmosphere of falsehood, they’ll accept you. But the truth? Very difficult. Very difficult. Even you will know there are some people that see my photograph and they get the cool breeze, but then when they see me fully, they cannot. Because when they see the photograph there’s a lot of darkness still in them. So they believe into me because of that part of that is darkness, because I’m just a photograph. But as soon as they see me they just don’t want to accept me. We had a very nice place in Delhi: I asked Gregoire to go and speak to the girls of Delhi University. Him being a young white person and handsome and all that, they were all very much impressed. And with that thing, I mean, he was saying that there’s somebody like that. And they were feeling the vibrations all right. But when they came to me they never felt any vibrations. Just imagine! From Gregoire they were feeling, not from me! But then they recovered from it and now they are much better off. But this was the thing. So, because of this, the people who represent darkness and falsehood are more successful. The spiritualists are much more successful than a saint. Yogi: I never had to pay any money. This can be also because they do not know; they are very intentioned, they think they have got powers. You are human. And by that they have a satisfaction to say that, “We are doing good to others.” But they do not know the know-how, you see. That is the point. Because here the people are not that cunning as we have in India. If they know that they are doing harm, they would not do it. We have very cunning people in our country: even if they know they are doing harm, still they’ll do it if they can get some money out of you. So they haven’t got any conscience about it. So, here if the people see that they have done good to someone then they start doing it, thinking they have powers, this, that. Because sometimes also they get a vision, sometimes they get a feeling: all these things can be there due to these spirits coming in. In India it is a very common experience of many people. They worship a deity all the time, and suddenly they find [that] the garland that they put into the neck of the deity gets up from there and comes into their own necks. Then they think, “Now God has accepted us as great saints!” Finished! This is their idea. Now it is nothing but some dissatisfied soul who puts it on them. And they start believing into it, that it is God who has done it. Then they will start a big place and will announce to everyone that, “I am a saint and this will happen and that will happen.” And people are also impressed with this kind of thing. And they would again ask for this thing to happen. There are people who start getting this red kumkum from their hands flowing. So people believe into it. They think that, “Yes, must be something great, otherwise how can this red powder [be] flowing from their hands?” Or sometimes ashes start [flowing]. And we have got, say in Bombay we have a temple, we have a temple of Mahalakshmi, and they think that Mahalakshmi temple is the place where the Goddess resides. No doubt there is a very genuine temple, I would say. Not temple, but even the statue is absolutely genuine. But the people who are there are so funny that they get hold of some maid servants and then spirits comes into them. They start doing, “Hooo, huuu,” like that. This is called as dhagni tirani: means there’s a big pot you get for water. And in that water they go on saying, “Huuuun, huuuun,” inside the water, and they get those spirits into them. And then they go on, “Huuuun, huuuun,” like that. All the people go on like that, all these maid servants. And then these people come and ask them questions, like, “What is the horse we are going to get?” “Where is my brother?” All this. And they answer, then they believe into it. So they get some money. But these women are horrible women in their own lives and they are always sick and they are very unhappy. But they believe into it. They believe into all these things and they do it. And while doing it, they don’t know that they are doing anything wrong. But they get sick and they are very, very unhappy, and ultimately they die a very bad death. There was one like that in Poona, whom they called as Mamaji, means uncle. And he was a very, very famous man in Poona. Even the police used to use that man for doing this spirits’ job. But they knew that those were spirits and these are not Gods. Only these women, the way they do it, they think it is the Goddess that has come into them. Now Goddess should have some sense to come into these horrible women, isn’t it! But people don’t think about it; so they believe into it. But this man, this gentleman who was in Poona, because I was staying with the police commissioner there, the police commissioner called him and so he came and he told me, “Mother, I really wanted to meet You for one reason that I’m now fed up of these spirits that I have used, and if You could get rid of them I’ll be very happy, because now I’m being tortured by them. And I know what sort of a death I am going to have: they are going to eat my flesh one by one and I’m going to die much earlier, before my death, the way they will torture my life.” So all this, he was frightened about, because he had seen other also people who did this kind of work, tantrikas, suffering. So he was very much frightened. So I said, “All right, then you ask for the Parama,” means the highest. “You ask for that superior thing, superior most.” He said, “All right, I ask for it.” I said, “All right, say it thrice that you ask for it.” He said, “Yes, give me that, Mother. Give me that. Give me that.” I said, “All right, I’ll give you that.” And he got his realisation, to start with. He got the vibrations above all that. I said, “Now you have lost all these horrible bhoots and their powers and now you’ll have your own powers coming in and they will act. These, your own, powers will act which you can be able to manoeuvre and help others.” He could not believe in me. He thought that whatever he had for twenty-five years, how can he get rid of them just like this? So he went to the police commissioner and told him that, “Oh, Mataji is telling me like this. I don’t believe it. I can always call those spirits.” The police used to use him for detecting crimes and things. So he said, “All right, if you think so, why not call one of the spirits? Say your mantra.” He started saying mantras, nobody would come in. He tried for half an hour, nobody would come in. He said, “Do you mean to say I’ve lost all that?” I said, “Yes.” I said, “Now thank your stars you will have better death at least!” That’s how it works out. But even in Sahaja Yoga you will be surprised, in the beginning of Sahaja Yoga, even in the beginning of Sahaja Yoga… Shri Mataji: Regis, tell him how to sit with his left hand towards me and right hand outside: this gentleman. No, near the door. He’s a great believer in the Goddess. He’s a Devi bhakta. …So, it so happened that I went to America. Before going to America I told this lady that, “You are all right but your guru has been doing all these tricks of spirits. So you will get those spirits into you, and it will try to entice you. Because they don’t want to give up their people. They have no freedom and once they try to get out, they just try to again entice you.” So she told me, “No, no. You just don’t worry about me Mother I’ll keep myself all right.” Then, you know, in her own house she started a centre. She put up my big photograph. And people who come to her and she started first giving them Sahaja Yoga and this and that. And then suddenly she started feeling something falling from her hands. And they were some rice, the rice which is being reddened by this kumkum: we call it as akshata. And she was so surprised at it, that it has started falling from her. And gradually everybody was surprised and they said lots of people started coming to her. Then they started asking her questions like, “Where is my brother?” “Where is my father?” “What is the horse?” this, that. And she started answering that, that, “You know, horse is going to win this race.” And they won that race. One fellow had put lot of money somewhere and he had forgotten about it, in a big house, so she told also, where is the money. And they were all very much impressed because they are very materialistic people. They are only interested in what money we are going to get, or what health problems they have. They are not interested in Self-realisation. Very, I should say, low-graded people they are. So they were just worried about this, not worried about Self-realisation. And all such people started coming to her who were not interested in Self-realisation but in all these things. And she became very popular; she became so popular that there were, sometimes used to be three thousand people ,and she had to take a hall and this and that. And I came to know about it somehow within myself and I immediately sent a telegram to her saying that, “Please stop all that nonsense and please don’t do all this.” And she could not believe in this. Then when I went to India, about a month later, she had not yet stopped. And by that time what had happened, she said, “No, Mataji came to me and she told me that, carry on. I saw her standing before me, she said so,” and all that. In that short time that I was [not] there, I mean one month or so I was not there, she started using a big whips and a big stick to hit people, “To take out their devils,” she said. And she used to hit them very badly on their backs. And it was so horrible that some people broke their backs and all sorts of things happened. And she was using a stick, and sometimes a very flexible one, so that they would get marks on their body. By the time I reached she came to see me, and some of the Sahaja Yogis joined hands with her. It was so silly that I just could not understand how these people all joined hands with her. And then she came to me and she said, “I have started a very big organisation in Your name Mother. You must come. You must go there.” So I told the Sahaja yogis, “None of you need come. I will go myself.” So I went down. She came and she opened the door of my thing, she washed my feet and lots of water she brought and then she washed my feet with milk and all sorts of things. I was just feeling very embarrassed about the whole thing! I didn’t know what to do. I went up to the room and she made me sit down there and all these people were singing my praise, this, that. I was very embarrassed: everywhere I could see all these horrible, these spirits sitting down there and mocking at me. I said, “You are going to be eat a great lout.” And I didn’t know what to do and how to tell them about this. And then they started saying, “Hoooon! Hoooon!” I said, “I have had it now here!” I said, “All right, I am all right. I am going back.” She said, “We’ll do your puja.” I said, “No, no, you are not well. I’m going back home, you come and see me there.” She was very happy. Next day she came, she thought I was going to say, “Oh, bravo. You have done very well.” So when she came and sat next to me she said, “Now see, Mother, see how many powers You have given me. I am so powerful!” I said, “Really? I must say you have some powers isn’t it?” She said, “Yes.” I said, “All right, will you tell this gentleman about him?” So she started telling him that, “You were born in such a place and you have a house like this.” He said, “Not me. It’s not me. You are telling about somebody else.” Then there was a lady sitting there. She said, “You are a person who has got a clerk in your business who is like this, whose name is this.” She said, “I don’t have a business. I don’t have a clerk.” She looked at me. She said, “Mother, have you taken away all my powers?” I said, “If they were your powers I would have respected you and loved you. But these were somebody else’s powers. As soon as you have entered into my house they have left you completely. And now you go back you can get them back again unless and until you say that I want the eternal, the eternal, and eternal. And after this you have to be very, very particular and watch yourself, your attention, whether you are accepting these negativities or not.” She said, “Yes, I want the eternal, eternal and eternal.” And she was all right, and she went back home and she was all right for about fifteen days. But you see, popularity of that kind is very difficult, to avoid the temptations. That’s why it is said, “Lead us not into temptation,” with that same thing, “but deliver us from evil,” for the same reason: because evil is standing in every corner you walk through. And she fell into this. And when she fell into this, she started another organisation of her own and she started this and that, and she was so frantic. Nowadays, for your information, she’s a very serious patient in a lunatic asylum. So, human beings are like that: they take to such things. I mean, that time only about one hundred and fifty or two hundred people used to come and meet me, while she was getting three thousand. People want darkness, they want falsehood, they want that somebody should hoodwink them. They want somebody should befool them. They want to live with the befooling. And those who know this and know how to handle it, they’ll just keep you on the run. They will keep you on the run all the time, that you’ll be befooled you from this place to that place, and that place to that place. Now, there can be people who are extremely simple-hearted. But the simplicity goes to this limit that they cannot recognise the reality. You have to be in the centre otherwise you can become a simpleton. And that simpleton-ness can really be very killing. But if the person is say, very intelligent, he relies on his intelligence, then they will play on your intelligence. They will pump up your ego. They’ll do this and do that, and somehow or the other they will get you there, because they are extremely cunning people. They are the embodiment of cunningness. So you cannot outwit them because whatever intelligence you have is limited while they have such a lot of intelligence of such a crooked nature that you cannot go to their level. After all, you have your conscience with you. So they have no conscience and they play about so much that they really hoodwink you and you do not know about it. And that’s how you will find that all the incarnations who came on this Earth were killed, crucified, poisoned, like Mohammed Sahib was poisoned; or harassed, or sent to forests like Rama; and Krishna: tortured by many rakshasas who went to kill him. All sorts of things. I mean, there is no incarnation who has not suffered. So that now people think that if you do not suffer you cannot go to God. This is another madness people have, that you must suffer to go to God. So they are all carrying the cross. It was for Christ to carry the cross, not for you people. So there is no need for you to be that miserable and take the sufferings upon yourself. There’s no need at all to suffer. There is no need at all to unnecessarily torture your bodies, unnecessarily torture your being to such a limit that you are absolutely useless for the day when you are going to be crowned. Come here, come in! Let him have a chair... So this is what I tell you: that falsehood is easily acceptable to people. People accept falsehood with such gusto and with such force and they do not even see what is happening, they just rush to it. Because we have lived with it. First of all you have lived with matter. We are identified with it because we have lived with it, because we do not know what is the Truth. We have lived with untruth. We have lived with the dreams. We have not lived with the awakened state. We are not yet identified with that awakened state. That’s why you are awakened, then you go off to sleep. Again you are awakened, again you go off to sleep. You are more identified with sleep than with awakened state: that’s why it happens all the time. Sometimes people say, “Mother, Sahaja Yoga also, when we get realisation again we go down.” But what can we do? You see, it’s not the responsibility of Sahaja Yoga that it should just shoot you off to that place. It is also your responsibility in a way, that if you have had problems within you and there are pouches and ditches where you are physically hurt, mentally hurt, everybody hurt. So then what happens? That power which has really touched on top, goes back and tries to establish it. It happens like that, so [there’s] nothing to feel bad: it will again come up. It has to make your instrument all right, because your instrument has gone into horrible things. Especially very funny habits one develops by these horrible devils coming into you. Even a person, if he drinks too much, then know that he’s possessed. If a person he talks very much, or he jabbers, or he’s harsh, then know that he’s possessed. All the time if he has a habit to snap at someone, shout at someone, or strict at someone then know that he is a possessed man. Or if he has a habit to be quiet unnecessarily, he tries to be quiet all the time, then know that he’s possessed. Any extreme behaviour is only caused by spirits. Actually what happens [is] that, when we go to the extremes, our human awareness cannot bear it. Then what happens [is] that we just ask for help from outside. And there are many busybodies around: they just enter into you and start munching. There is no need to strain your being so much and go to extremes. You have to be just in the centre. Actually, this country or any of the Western countries, I thought, would have been very good for you because you are saints and that you would have lived with a very temperate life. There was not such problems as we had in India, or in any other developing countries. I thought you will be much better off here, but, on the contrary, what I find: the material life that provided everything for you, made a slave out of you. You even have habits of matter! Now when you have habits of matters, there are some other habits can be put into you. And the habits that are put into you by these… Shri Mataji: Just keep your hands like this. Yogi: He’s very badly damaged. Shri Mataji: Very bad? All right, you put your left hand. You can stand or put your left hand inside ??. He’s from the same course as you have been (TM) and he has been jumping all the time, poor thing. You can go there, in the door where Hesta is. And he has really hurt himself. All of them are hurt in their bones, all of them. Any man who has no sense left of the dharma, or of his balances is a man who is possessed. Anyone who is doing a crime which he does not understand is also possessed. Or a human being, say a man having a relation with a man, is a possessed condition. If a woman has relations with a woman, it is a possessed condition. It is not a condition of a normal person. And human beings have to be normal human beings. If a woman, if she doesn’t care for her chastity and she leads a fast life that means she’s possessed. If she goes about with many men that means she’s possessed. If the men do that they are also possessed. They cannot be normal people who do all this. You see, whatever are the sustenance of human beings are also the powers of human beings. Like that, we can see the people who are in the centre, the people who are sustained, they do not have all these temptations. I mean, they just don’t like it. They are just normal people. And that is what one loses gradually by doing extremes. And you don’t even realise. The whole society could be like that: possessed, with ideas. You can see what foolish things we are doing in this country. I know in India they do all sorts of nonsensical things: like telling lies, and cheating people, fraud and all that is very common in India. But here the other things are there. Like the way we are wasting our energy in nonsensical things about sex and about flirting and all this nonsense. Flirting is nothing but a virus infection of sex. Your eyes are caught up. Really, it is the infection of the eyes, and it comes into the eye, you see. Then you start looking here and there. You don’t know what you are looking. Flirting, if you ask them, they have no joy in it. They just see around. They see one place to another, one woman to another. Then the woman catches it, the woman gets it. You are just looking like this. You don’t know why. It’s a such a waste of energy. Actually, I didn’t know what was flirting. But once, when I went to America, in seventy-three, a young boy came to me and he said, “Mother, why do I look at all these women? I waste such a lot of energy. Why can’t I keep straight? What is the need to look at them?” They do not know anything to it: any woman passing. Then the woman also would dress up in such a way that she would attract somebody else. So that this is also another kind of fraternity working. And the whole game starts. We find even in places like people are above sixty years, they do the same nonsense. It’s something surprising that even they are not mature, because if you get this poison into you then you do not mature. It’s like any fruit which is infected cannot mature. It’s an infection and when it comes into you, you do not mature. That’s why you find even eighty-year-old people behaving just like silly young twenty-five year olds. That sort of people you find, so commonly here, where you go. You feel so ashamed and embarrassed. And a eighty-year-old woman starts telling you about her love affairs and you just don’t know where to look! And it’s very common. They boast of it and they talk like that. Their talking is so funny that you can’t imagine. It’s most embarrassing the way they talk about things and the way they live. There was a lady who told me: she is a lady of a good family and an ambassador’s wife, and she told me there’s a very great writer here, she was about eighty years of age and she writes lots of books on philosophy and things. So she invited this lady, the ambassador’s wife, for a lunch party. And she said, “Why lunch? I could come for dinner with my husband.” She said, “No, no, no. I want you for lunch and give you a nice time. I’ll get you a boyfriend.” She said, “Are you joking?” She said, “No, I have one, my own: about twenty-four years. And what years’ age do you want?” She was shocked. She said, “What? I don’t want all that.” She said, “You must know. You see, you women are no good. Eastern women are no good. You must learn how to enjoy life!” She said, “I am sorry. I am not to learn that!” And she just put down the phone. Now this lady is writing books on philosophy! See the stupidity to which people are taking. And she is one of the most successful writers in England. I don’t know her name. She didn’t tell me the name. But this is what it is. She’s successful because she is spreading darkness. Because people want to live with whatever they were. They were in darkness, they were just matter: this dead matter is just darkness. It has no awareness in it. Then the animals have a little bit of awareness. And they come to a point when they are human beings. They have passed through millions of years with that ignorance and that darkness and they more adhere to it than to something that is beyond. They only evolve because God’s grace is there, otherwise they would never have evolved. Because God has put some sort of a seeking in their stomach that for food, for other things, they start evolving. And when they start evolving they reach a stage of human consciousness. Now at human consciousness if I have to say that you have to face the reality, why should you? You think that, “If I have to face reality then I have to work for it.” Because that is another thing you have done so far. You think that you have done something all the time to achieve something [and that] if you have to achieve something then you must put in effort. Then you do not want to take that path when you were dark. We have done nothing to become a human being, and that, if we have to go further we are not to do anything about it. On the contrary you start running fast, very fast, and if you know the phrase that, “You take two running jumps and go to hell”. It’s like that, for example. And you speed up so much on that, that then you land into difficulty. That’s why it is necessary to understand that you are human beings and at this time you have [been] given freedom, absolute freedom. Because you have to see your own evolution. Because you are free you can see it. If you were part and parcel of God and if He had done for you, then you would not have seen it, like animals have not seen it. But this you have to see and you have to be aware of it. That’s why you have been given freedom. If you are not away from me how will you see me? And this is the reason you were separated from The Whole, so that you can see that you become The Whole. While the animals do not see it because they are dark. They are part of The Whole, they are looked after, they live like that, they don’t get ego, they don’t get superego, they do not speed up suddenly, they do not do all these things, as you do. They do not have insurances! They are sensible, we think. So we go down to them and want to learn something from them. And what do we learn from them? Their sex behaviour! Imagine. This is human brain, specially made: real clowns! The way we look at things I don’t know how: whatever is to be done we just do in the other way round style. Like, what you have to learn from animals [is] that they are one with The Whole, the trees are one with The Whole. When there is spring the trees will bring out yellow flowers, when there is the summer they’ll bring out the red flowers, and that’s how they express the colours. While they are looked after: whether they are here or anywhere, they are looked after. The nature looks after them. There is a circle between them. If the trees have the leaves they emit carbon dioxide. Then that has to have a circle again. So the leaves have to fall down into the ground because the nature must take nitrogen from them, and must replace it back to them, to nourish them again, so they can go into that cycle of movement. And from how it moves from one end to another. How carbon dioxide goes into the air and how it is again reconverted back and how the whole thing is worked out in a cycle is done. But they do not know all about it. They do it blindly. Absolutely blindly they are doing it, because they are blind; because they don’t need to know. Like the small little babies and puppies of the dog, if you see, they are blind; they don’t know how to go about. They just feel their mother and just go and start sucking the breast and take [milk], feeding. You have seen them, very sweet ones! They can’t see anything. They just smell something, they go down there and do it. So the mother looks after them at that time, and she does everything that is needed even when they are blind. When you are also little children, when this is not covered up, closed, your mother looks after you, your father will look after you. They treat you just like a part of them all the time. All the time they are worried about you. Not in modern times, of course. Modern times are one of the most convoluted ones. But they used to do that way. But [when] you are grown-up then they give you freedom to know that you are grown-up. And that is how God wants you to know that you have evolved, you have received your Realisation. That you have become what you had to become. Because you have to now really re-manifest God’s powers. This is the thing we have to understand. And then we should know what is our role in life, and what are we doing, where are we, how are we placed, what is our position. This should give you the complete energy to get to your Self, and work it out. May God bless you all. Rustom what was the matter? Why didn’t you come? Rustom: I have just come Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. (end of recording)

6/25/1979

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Seeking the Life Beyond, public programme, Caxton Hall, London, England. 25 June 1979. Seeking the life beyond, Caxton Hall - 1979-0625London (United Kingdom) Only thing I would request you not to get into Siddhis.Try to control. If it happens, I think best thing is to go out for a while because I do not want others to be disturbed in the hall, though I’ll try to control. You’re all here, because we had a feeling that there is something that lies beyond which we have to seek. The feeling has come from the unconscious mind and you all want to find out something. Perhaps you do not know what you want to find out but the feeling is there that, whatever you are, you are not in a perfect condition. That you do not know what is your fulfillment. You’re seeking actually your fulfillment. Now when I am talking to you about Sahaja Yoga I have to request you that, this subject is to be understood with careful thought. It’s not a frivolous thing, that you can get to God. Neither it is possible for any human being to achieve it himself. This makes it impossible for people to understand but as I have told you before, you have become a human being without doing anything about it. You got your nose stuck up there without using any glue, without doing any exercise or circus. In the same way if you have to become that higher being, it has to happen spontaneous manner. In a very spontaneous manner by the grace of God. This is something very difficult to digest for human beings because we are ego oriented.God has given us ego to decide whether we choose the righteousness or we choose the wrong path. Now I would again request you for one more thing, that it is for you to choose and it is for you to gain and not Me. I have nothing to gain to begin with and to end with. You have to gain something out of Me by not demanding but by accepting the gift of this knowledge for which you cannot pay me, you cannot purchase me, you cannot dominate me. Try to understand that so far if you have missed that point, be careful, that you do not going on sticking on to the same thing through which you have not achieved anything. If you still feel that you have been doing the right thing and that’s the right stuff you go ahead. Go ahead with it. That would be much more fair to me and to yourself. When you’ll find that you have not found it then you come back to me but don't try to show anger nor any demands. If you have not found it better have. It’s a simple common sense. Use your common sense about everything, that perhaps I hope, that you have not lost as yet. To begin, we must know that it is a spontaneous happening within us. That means we cannot do it. There are people who may teach you, who may tell you that you can do it but I am not going to tell you a lie. You cannot do it. Supposing I tell you, you hang on to it and go on calling God, God, you’ll get it. I can tell you fifty percent of you will do it but if I tell you you cannot do anything about it, you’ll not accept this proposition. It’s rather difficult. While you know in this country, Martin Luther’s ideas are there and he has also said it that, you can get it spontaneous. The another thing you must realize that all the scriptures and all the incarnations who came onto this Earth have a historical background. Like a seed sprouts into its root and shoot, then grows into a tree and then flowers, everything that happens to the tree has a meaning in the living process. If your evolution has to be living, it must have a history behind it, where all the incarnations came in and have left some mark within you. And as in a seed, you have the map of all the manifestations it is going to go through, in the same way in your seed of germination also there has to be a mark. There has to be some power that is going to work it out. After all God has created you from a small amoeba to human being and He’s not going to destroy this creation of His and He’s not going to leave it to you, to get to your way. As I, the other day was telling you, that all that is important has to work out spontaneously. For example, your own breathing. Supposing for breathing if you have to read libraries after libraries what’s going to happen? Whenever you try to do something like that you’re going away from the middle path of life where spontaneously you have been going as shown here in the central path, you can see, there are centers within us. Now, I am amazed that people who talk Shankaracharya do not talk of kundalini. I mean if Shankaracharya has written anything, he has written nothing but kundalini, kundalini, kundalini! He has written about the centers. Not only that but he has throughout praised the Mother, the Holy Mother. Nobody reads it and how do you believe this second hand, third hand and fifth hand knowledge? And just depend on someone because he says it is from Shankarcharya? It’s not difficult. All these books are in English. Most of them are translated and you can see for yourself that these people who have been called as seers, who have been the real guidelines have very clearly suggested that it is through the spontaneous development that you get it. Right up to Kabir you can come. Even much before Shankaracharya, the evolutionary system wasunderstood by group of seers who called them as ‘Nathpanthi.’ But they kept it as a secret because that was not the time to have amass evolution. Like few flowers appear on the tree for many years and then the blossom time comes, in the same way when a human being is fully prepared, then only, this amass evolution can work out. There are all these subtle centers within you. I do not know why should you accept any theory which does not relate to your body. People talk of body and mind. There was a big exhibition where they had also called Me. I am not for a sale. That’s the problem. But body and mind, you must know, what is in your body. What is in your body? Let’s see now. If there are doctors they’ll understand Me better. Within ourselves there is a nervous system and there is an autonomous nervous system which is, in Sanskrit language called ‘swayamchalu,’ auto. What is auto? What is ‘swayam’? Who is the one, who is running this nervous system? It has been found out by your sciences that there is a system which works by itself which has two sides; one is the parasympathetic and the another, the sympathetic. Now here, what I’m showing these three lines are representing, in the center, the parasympathetic nervous system, on the left, the left sympathetic and on the right, the right sympathetic. But these are the undercurrents of the actual manifestation of the gross. In the gross whatever you see has something behind it which works it out. For example, if there is a light burning here you must know that the electricity is coming from somewhere and there is a source somewhere which works it out. If the source is cut out this will go. In the same way, the source of these three autonomous nervous system within us are these channels which are subtle within us and they exist as energies. It is hard to see these energies because as you cannot see electricity, you cannot see these three channels which are within us. But the kundalini which is the germinating power within us, in the triangular bone, when it raises itself, then you can see the movement of this energy rising within you and you can feel it also with the stethoscope. You can see the pulsation of the kundalini.. This you cannot do. Try your level best. Jump for 100 times or stand on your heads, break your neck. Do anything you like. You cannot make your triangular bone pulsate. Can you? Anyone one of you, can you do it? That is what Shankaracharya has said. I am surprised how these things are misappropriated. There are so many types of people who have come and why are you not understanding the point? That you cannot do your own evolution. You cannot achieve it. God has made all the arrangements for you. Have you placed your eyes here which you’re using and have taken for granted? God has made them. He has placed them in the sockets and you are using them. You can only use it. You cannot do it. You can see with your naked eyes, as I said, the pulsation of the kundalini which many, at least fifty percent of people have seen and thousands have seen all over the world. You cannot cheat about it. You cannot just give talk story and talk and talk and talk! There has to be something happening within us. For example, if I take a stone and put it in the water, will it germinate? Only the living seed can germinate. In the same way you are a living being and it has to germinate. This kundalini rises through various centers that are within us. These centers are the landmarks of our evolution, in different stages, from amoeba to this stage. Now, going into details is a big problem, in such a short time but I would say you must get hold of the pamphlets we have got here and see through that and find out what are these centers. These centers exist within you and which you can feel it with the stethoscope when the kundalini is rising. They pulsate. That is the ‘Anahata,’ which Shankaracharya himself has called it ‘Anahata’ and you do not know the word ‘anahat,’ how do you talk of Shankaracharya? The sound without percussion. You can hear it. You can hear it on top of your head when it comes to and it breaks. But why are you wasting your time in something nonsensical because you can pay for it? Are you not really seeking something? Be truthful about it. Don’t try to waste your time. Hardly you’ve understood anything from all these things that you’ve been doing and still you are continuing with it. I have to request you, now get to yourself and get to know yourself and your own powers and do not be enamored by anybody’s powers, even Mine. You have your own powers within yourself and these powers must be manifested and these powers you should be able to handle and not that you are handled by somebody else all the time. Jog from places to places. Suddenly you find somebody shouting in the air. Without any control over? How can it be? You see the technique means, any technique means that you should be able to handle that power, isn’t it? If you cannot handle that power what sort of a technique is this? Supposing you go and touch the wire and you get a shock, then is that the technique? Will you call that the technique you got a shock from the wire? But if you know how to handle the technique then you know how to maneuver it. Is a simple common sense which we must know. The power which we cannot handle is not our own power. If it is your own power then you should be able to handle it. You should be able to know what your doing about it. So these are not your powers whatever so called techniques have brought to you. You have your own power in your heart as the Spirit is within you. Only thing it is to be enlightened. It has been said by all the scriptures of the world. All the great incarnations have said it and why don’t you relate everything to that? There is no secrecy about it. What is the secrecy about the truth which is just like light coming on this Earth? Secrecy is only done by mafia people. Only the mafias have to have secrecies about things. What is there to be a secret? If it is a universal language everybody should know! Everybody should be able to handle it and it should be amass realization to understand what is this power. Now coming to the point, what is this power? Let us see. As I said in our heart lies the Spirit, is the ‘Atma’ resides within us. Now the last breakthrough of our evolution is where we break our fontanelle bone by the awakening of the kundalini. This is the last. We’ve got all our instrument properly done. The chord is nicely, just like this chord, is nicely rounded up three and a half times, kept there ready, for a moment, when somebody who’s an authority comes forward and gives you that connection. You have to breakthrough. And this is the breakthrough when, will happen then, you must know that the whole language will change. You will have a transformation and you will have a new dimension. Even through your Psychology you can understand this. You don't have to go to scriptures. That the next step into human awareness has to be collective consciousness. Is a scientific thing. Already your sciences have discovered this collective consciousness. And what is collective consciousness? Is, to feel the other. For there is nobody the other. You are a part of the whole. You’re seeking that wholesomeness within you and once this will happen you will feel that wholesomeness and you’ll be amazed how will be feeling others within you. All these centers are in our fingers as shown there. There are 7 centers which are shown here and which you can also see in the map. All these centers get enlightened as soon as the kundalini goes out of the fontanelle and goes into the all pervading subtle power. You can feel it on your hands - what is wrong with you and what is wrong with others. You start feeling your own centers and you start feeling the centers of other people. Automatically. It’s a subjective knowledge it is not objective. You just become the subject. It just happens automatically within you. You don't have to think about it. It just works out as your human awareness has been achieved. In the same way super human being awareness also can be achieved through God’s grace. Now what is the technique of this? It is the technique of God. But still when you become one with the ocean, you also learn the technique of the ocean. When you become the whole, you also know the technique of the whole and that is what, is the technique of Sahaja Yoga. First of all, you have to be enlightened. Unless and until you’re connected what’s the use of doing anything else? For example, if this is not connected, what am I going to do with this? In the same way if you’re not connected with God, what are you shouting at? And whom are you calling? First thing is that you should be connected. Now for this, people have got theories. You see those who want to fill their pockets can find out lots of theories. Like how can you do it? You must cleanse yourself. Simple thing is that if you’re in the myre, you’re sinking, how are you going to cleanse? You’ve to get out of it. If you’re in the car how are you going to repair the car? You have to get out of it. You have to detach yourself from the car and you cannot do it through thought. By saying I’m detached, I’m detached, you cannot.This would be something like saying, I’m the Governor of Westminster, while I am not. It’s an illusion in which we live. It’s a fantasy with which we manage. It’s a happening where you just get detached like that. What surprises me, that why should you believe into an absurd thing like that? That it is the most difficult thing. Can’t you see so many flowers are turning into fruits every season. How many? Can’t you understand that you are also going to be transformed? Why should it be difficult? But if you are bent upon breaking your necks, I can’t help it! I mean, you can do whatever you please. After all you have the freedom; you can cut your noses, you can cut your ears, you can take out your eyes or you can do anything of that kind. How can anybody stop? Only thing I can do, is to feel anguished about it. So try to understand that there is a power within you. God has placed it there and it is going to be raised and you’re going to get that realization but already you have done lot of things to spoil your chakras nicely. I mean, man is onto another trip now. First he was destroying others. Now he is on the other side, he is destroying himself! There’s a special pleasure in destroying yourself. Like taking pain on your body. You see, we have heard people who beat themselves. They sit down and beat themselves, they enjoy. See, such queer people in modern times. Can you imagine? When I’m here, I find all sorts of funny people, half lunatic, half baked. Even if they are full lunatic I would be happy because at least they can go to lunatic asylum but they are half lunatic. They’re all the time trying to destroy themselves. Where is this destruction going to lead you? Like bearing the pain. Why should you? Why did Christ crucify Himself? Did He not? Or you don’t believe in it? Why are you crucifying yourself? Who has asked you to crucify yourself, for nothing at all? He didn’t even ask His disciple to carry His cross and why are you carrying your cross for nothing at all? The other day, I met some people, I was amazed how they have destroyed themselves. Imagine, it is something like that a Father Who is very compassionate, Who is full of love for you, Who has created all these beautiful things and Who just wants to open your eyes and suddenly He finds that you have become blind! You’re good for nothing. Imagine what a frustration it is! But still, His compassion and His grace and His love, is so great that how so ever you may have done wrong, it is not equal to a drop compared to a great ocean. His love is like that of ocean. He’ll engulf all that, I assure you. But still, like, I don't know what to call but I would say, childish people, frivolous people, foolish people, stupid people! If you’re sticking onto that, that ‘come, O bull, come and hit me’ and sitting down there paying the money to the bull, ‘come along, hit me more, now I give you more money, this time more money, come along, hit me more,’ then what can anybody do? If you’re still misidentified, it’s going to be very difficult for anyone. This afternoon I’ve been busy breaking my neck with those [unclear]. I’ve been trying and trying my level best but the trouble is the misidentification part, you cannot. You can treat any disease, cancer anything but not stupidity. Stupidity is something, is such a foolish thing that nobody wants to admit that you have been stupid. You want to carry on with it and you want to destroy yourself under the fantasy that you’re a great crusader or sort of a great martyr! There is no need to have martyrdom when you’re entering into the kingdom of God. Come along. There’s a welcome there. It’s a welcome for you. Please come along but I find all wounded soldiers around. All of them are so wounded. Doesn’t matter. As long as, you have love for yourself and love for your eternal being, as long as you want to evolve, everything is going to work out. Is going to help all of you. Try to understand that there is no argument which can convince you. It’s a happening. Supposing some people think that by arguing with me they will get their evolution, they do not because it is beyond thought. You cannot go there with the thought. So you’ll argue with the thought. With argument what have you achieved? What can you gain by arguments? It is not a mental feat. It is the feat of God which raises the kundalini by which you get your realization. But then there are people and there are people; now we have in India people called as ‘tantrikas.’ Specially they flourished in the 6th century in our country. You see, our country is a country of extremes. We have had very great saints and great incarnations, perhaps, maybe because they were absolutely the other side of it, we can call the mud. In the mud only these great lotus flowers were born. But we have also the greatest thugs and the greatest crooks of the world. You see, it is so well matched that it is difficult for you people to understand. They will look exactly the same. They’ll appear exactly the same but you won’t know what they are up to and if you’re anxious to deceive yourself then you will have it! If you’re anxious to go in the wrong way, they will do it. The first and foremost thing is that what righteousness you have achieved through any of your pursuits? What greatness have you achieved? What powers you have been able to manifest? For example, we had somebody in India who came to Me and before I could say anything he started jumping. I said now where to talk, you see. I said give him a loudspeaker and let him carry there. I just can’t talk and while jumping he was arguing. He was arguing and jumping and arguing and jumping. So I requested him, ’Sir, you please stop this otherwise I am fed up of raising my head down and up’ and the whole congregation got upset with that jumping. Alright, doesn’t matter. But thenI asked him, ‘now’, I said, ‘what’re you doing?’He said, ‘these are my powers’I said, ‘then control them! If these are your powers why don't you control them?’So he said, ‘now I cannot’I said ‘alright, I’ll control’I put My this thing and made him sit down. He sat down and then I said, ‘can you tell Me what’s the matter with this gentleman?’They said, ‘No’Then I said, ‘Can you tell me what’s the matter with you?’He said, ‘No’I said, ‘then how do you have your powers? At least you should know what’s the matter with you.’He said, ‘no’Then I said, ‘but what about your kundalini? Do you know where your Kundalini is?He said, ‘I don't believe in it’I said, ‘very nice! You don’t believe. Like a riddle somewhere, what you call a [fire flee] saying that I don't believe in the sun or I have no faith in the sun’I said, ‘alright, you don't believe in kundalini but see for yourself, now what is this pulsating?He looked at it and said, ‘yes, I can see that’ and then he started jumping, you see, up and down, up and down, up, he was so exhausted but then I found, he had a very bad heart and the heart was so badly damaged. I was so worried about this fellow.I said, ‘now you have to take to Sahaja Yoga very seriously and I’ll work on you.’I worked on him for the whole day and the whole night but next day again he was back. He couldn’t give up because he had a dress, he had a name, he had everything and he was thinking he has become a real minister of buffoonery. So, so the thing was on. One must know that God is a honorable thing. He gives you honor and not stupidity and useless things that the society does not respect. Whatever society respects is honourable. You get a status which is honorable. It gives you righteousness, it gives you discrimination. Minimum of minimum this should happen to you but if you are such a buffoon that you are jumping up and down, your clothes are falling down then who will call you a Godly person? Then on the streets I find some people dancing. How can that be God? It is dignified. Divinity is dignified. Dignity is the first thing that will be expressed in a person who is a realized soul. How can people believe a buffoon? Can they? Or clowns? How can you believe yourself when the whole technique leads you to buffoonery? Try to understand. Now they can give some explanation about it that you’re getting this and you’re getting that, but which scripture says so? In that also they are very very clever, some of them. The other day I received a letter from ‘Poona’ (Pune) with a book and I was amazed at it. The book was talking about Jnaneshwara, a great saint in India. The couplet was somewhere there and he was telling something else. I said, ‘how does it relate with this, I don't understand?’There is not a word of what he’s saying in that couplet. Now those who know the language, those who understand the language, if you translate something and say something else, how can they be deceived? But those who do not know can be deceived. So, first thing is that you should not be deceived, even by Me. You have to keep yourself alert but that doesn’t mean you all jump on me, my head and trouble me. Alert. If you get your realisation, then you will know that what I’m talking about is the truth but before realization be sure that you’re not yet been there what I’m talking about. Your still in a dream and the dream has to open into reality. You’re still not feeling the reality. Of course, fifty percent people here know but fifty do not know. When the dream opens out, your awareness becomes different. You become a different person and you start maneuvering immediately . So you have to know that dream has to end and reality has to come. You may even say that, ‘Mother the reality that you are talking of collective consciousness may be another dream.’ It is not. It’s very easily verified that whatever you achieve, what’s called in Sanskrit is ‘uplabdhi.’ Whatever you achieve, in that state, can be used for this dream state also. Everything has a relative understanding and you can understand it very well. For example, you can also say that, ‘Mother you might be another person who’s turning us into buffoonery. Alright, it’s quite correct. I mean you might say the same thing. For example I will tell you, we had some people in Poona (Pune), Poona we had, there were some people who came down and they said, ‘we are great brahmins and pundits’ and all that.I said, ‘Alright sit down and put your hands towards me’ and they just started shaking before me like this.I said, ‘why are you shaking?’ Now, you are brahmins, the great pundits and very educated people, why’re you shaking before me? Why don’t you control yourself?They said, ‘ Mother because You are Shakti that’s why we are shaking’I said, ‘but the others are also shaking. Ask them from where have they come?’They all had come from the lunatic asylum. I said, ‘they and you are in the same category, while the rest of them are getting cool breeze in the hand.’So relatively you must judge Sahaja Yoga. Now whether you are alright or not should be judged from the way some lunatics behave towards me. We have had many lunatics before. Now we have some hidden ones here. They don't appear but they are and they must understand that this is a disease which has to go away and which can be cleared. Absolutely clear. You have to become pure. You have to become lighter. It’s all going to drop out in no time. Only thing you have to decide about it. Not to quarrel and argue but get it and that will happen to you because you are all seekers. You have been seeking for ages. It was described in the Puranas that during this time, ‘kaliyuga,’ then it will be the worst time then all these great seekers who are moving in the big hills and dales will be born again and they’ll get their self realization. This is being promised and not the buffoonery. Your self realization and self when you realize you know about yourself and about others because there’s the same thread passing through all of you. When your attention is outside you are separate beads but when your attention is inside then you can feel others. Whatever I’m saying, whatever I’m explaining has been explained right from Socrates, Christ, Mohammed Sahib, all of them have said and I would request you to be humble about it and take your gift which is [for you]. But you don't open the mouth of the horse which is gifted to you. In the same way be decent because God is not going to fall at your feet that ‘please have your realization’ because God is not seeking election from you nor is He going to please you to that extent that your ego would be pampered because He doesn’t want to ruin you. He loves you. He is compassion, He’s love. His love is going to work it out. You cannot purchase love in the market and the divine love is something that is beyond all these material considerations. When you get your realization, you will know each and every technique because the vibrations, the cool vibrations, which is the enlightened awareness flowing from your hand which you can feel it in the central nervous system you will be able to handle it and use it. You will be able to protect yourself, you’ll be able to protect others and give them self realization only by raising your hand just like this. It is fantastic, it is tremendous, it is dynamic and really unbelievably great. I am Myself surprised at Myself the way it is working but thanks to you I would say, that you are there to receive it and get it. It cannot be worked out with many but works out with quite a lot of people. Only the trouble is that, here is the seeking in the West. The western people are seeking much more than Indian people are seeking but Indians are the ones who know about knowledge. They are not naive, they are not ignorant so they cannot be befooled much while in the West, people are ignorant about it and that’s how they can be befooled. So it’s a funny combination for Me and as the seeking is, it is going to work out, it is going to happen to all of you. May God Bless you! Can I have some water. So, as usual if there are any sensible questions, please ask. Question: If it is Your power, can we do anything? Answer: Now, the thing is, first, I’m saying, for your awakening, for the connection and then you can do it. You understood? First of all you should be awakened, enlightened and then your powers will start manifesting and then you have to do it. After that, so this is the thing, alright? Like, till your car has started you cannot move it. It’s something like that but once your car has started you can use it. It’s like that. Alright?Got the point? That’s God’s powers, so you can say that way but you are a part and parcel of God. Ok? So, this doesn’t remain any more, this difference doesn't remain any more. So, it is like, I don't say these are the powers of my finger, do I? I say these are my powers while these are the powers of my finger. In the same way if you are the part and parcel of God then the powers of you and God are just the same because they are working through you. Alright? You’re working for the whole. SY is not a thing that you can finish it in one day and it has taken me, I think, I don't know, number of lectures here also, tried to explain and we have also published a book and this book will be available, I think, I hope so…within 15-20 days which gives you lot of knowledge about it but without realisation you should not read that book. It’s not going to help you at all.You have to get your realization first and then read about it. Question: [Inaudible] Answer: How many people has he given realization? How many people has this Gururaj given realization to? Not one! So forget it, you see, don’t bring in names because you know then it amounts to criticism unnecessarily. Not one person has been given, realized. Now at least 50% are realized souls who can feel your kundalini, her kundalini and their own kundalini. Even Heister has started feeling. Alright? So don’t bring in such names because you see it amounts to personal criticism to which I do not want to indulge in. I’m not interested. Don’t take anybody’s name or book’s name because it is useless. So far you haven’t got it. So better get it. I know some of you might have paid some money so you think better cash him also but its rather difficult. It’s a lost game. So forget about it [laughs]. It is! Better give up!If you haven’t got it as yet, you better get it. That’s the point. If you bring in any name, I do not want to say anything about anyone because none of them have given realisation to anyone. Simple thing. And the real ones are not coming out in the public. They are hiding themselves somewhere else. They don't want to get crucified and you cannot crucify Me. I am too good for that. Alright, just put your hands like this towards Me. You have to take out your shoes. All of you should take out your shoes. Put both your feet on the ground. Now. And don’t concentrate. This is another thing, this concentrating is wrong. Do not concentrate at any point. Please do not concentrate. Just let it go and let it happen. Let it be, Let it be. For her it’s alright. Let her rest her feet on the… It’s alright. What has she got? polio? What is the trouble? Have they removed any parts? Oh, this is the problem, you see! They remove a part, it’s impossible. It’s a re-pairing shop here. I can repair it but if you’ve removed some parts and put some dead things there, it’s rather difficult. We’ll work it out. Let her have her [hand]. Now you may close your eyes. If you can. Some of you may not be able to because if there is flickering in your eyelids, open your eyes. Be honest to yourself. Sahaja Yoga can only be achieved by being honest to yourself. Nobody is going to force anything on you. In all your discretion and your own self respect, you should be honest to yourself. Close your eyes and see if there is a flickering in your eyelids. Now, those who feel they have no thought in the mind, can be on the look out for the cool breeze to come on their hands flowing inside. But may be in the beginning, it may be hot, may be tingling, could be anything. If it is tingling then you have to just throw it away like that, if it is tingling. If it is cool breeze it’s alright. If it is hot also then you can throw it. Just throw it away, be honest about it and if it is cool breeze, you just keep your eyes closed. Put both the feet on the ground properly. Take out the shoes. Remove the shoes, yes, put your feet on the ground. Take out your shoes, my child, take out your shoes. Have you got your shoes? No? Alright. Tingling? Just, you sit comfortably here, be comfortable, be very comfortable. First thing is comfortable. If there is any pain, anything, open your eyes. You should not feel any pain. but if there is, then please open your eyes. Just close your eyes. Please close your eyes. [Inaudible] If your wearing specks or [unclear] then take it away and if you have any, what you call, any tight things like belts or something, loosen it a little bit, if there’s anything tight. Be comfortable. Be comfortable. Be absolutely comfortable. If the hair from the forehead are removed it would better for Me. Forehead should be open. Please keep the forehead open. (Mother speaks in Hindi and tells someone to remove someone’s cap). Now, just like this open it out because forehead should be open, it’s good. Now put your hand again. Yes. Now first thing is now, I feel, kundalini stops at this point, and here, the essence is forgiveness. So please forgive everyone, even your horrible gurus who have taken money from you. Just forgive all of them. You don’t have to bother. God will look after them. Just say ‘I forgive ALL of them.’ Now you have to also ask forgiveness from God. Any mistakes I have committed in my [unclear] Oh God! Please forgive me.You can put your right hand on your heart and say this. Right hand on your heart and left hand towards me. Now say this. Heister keep your eyes open. Very bad heart all of you have. All the TM people must get their cardiogram. Cardiogram must be brought in. Very bad heart, very bad heart. Like a frozen heart it is. Hmm…better..[unclear] just say that please forgive me. The aspect of God in your heart, that is the Spirit, is the one that is the ocean forgiveness. He forgives you but you must ask for forgiveness. He’s the ocean of compassion. These are the mantras. Feeling the cool? Good. Are you feeling?Humble yourself in your heart at the Lotus Feet of God. Humble yourself in your heart. Whatever you will do with your heart you will have no doubt. So put attention to your heart and humble down yourself and say that, Oh Lord! Please forgive me if I have done any mistakes without knowledge, without understanding or also with understanding, please forgive me because You are the ocean of compassion. (57:35 min) Do not disturb others. Please do not. This is the most important time of this life and many lives before. So understand it’s value. If you have anything in your neck then please take out. If you have been to other gurus specially because they catch your vishuddhi. Suddenly you feel there is no thought in your mind. Feeling lighter? Much lighter. Keep your eyes shut. Please keep your eyes shut. Just keep your eyes shut for a while. Feel extremely relaxed. Try to remember this experience. Try to remember this experience. Some of you are not yet getting it because you are trying. Just don't try, leave it. Now put both the hands towards me. Put them on your lap and be comfortable. Put your hands straight but be comfortable. Close the door It’s a very deep experience. Keep your eyes shut because if the eyes are opened out there is dilation of the pupil. The kundalini will stop before the Agyna. Please keep your eyes shut. All of you. [1:09:18] This experience comes to you because the Kundalini has been waiting for such a long time. Out of joy She gives you this experience but after this you have to learn about It. You have to know what It is, how to maneuver It, how to work It out, what It means, then the technique starts. First you should initiate It with realization. [1:10:40]How many of you are feeling cool breeze in the hands? Raise your hands. Raise them high. Good. Good. Are you feeling? No? This lady next to you? Are you feeling? Not yet feeling? Those who are not feeling vibrations, cool breeze in the hand, please raise your hands. Honestly.Your alright. Now, those who are not feeling the cool breeze and have not been to a guru, raise your hand. You’ve not been to any guru? One, two, who else? Just stand up. In the end there? I can see the hand there. What’s that? Ok now, give yourself a bandhan. You’ve not been to any guru? You’ve not been to any guru my son? Nowhere? Your not feeling any cool breeze? Alright.Who else is there? Who has not been to a guru and not feeling vibrations. Not been to any guru? You come along, alright? Here. Can you sit, sit next to that girl, three of you.You have not been to any guru my son. ‘TM’. Only TM? Alright, No, no, but you are feeling the cool breeze. ‘Yes.’ Then the question is not there. You are also not feeling? Alright.

Seeking the Life Beyond, public programme, Caxton Hall, London, England. 25 June 1979. Seeking the life beyond, Caxton Hall - 1979-0625London (United Kingdom) Only thing I would request you not to get into Siddhis.Try to control. If it happens, I think best thing is to go out for a while because I do not want others to be disturbed in the hall, though I’ll try to control. You’re all here, because we had a feeling that there is something that lies beyond which we have to seek. The feeling has come from the unconscious mind and you all want to find out something. Perhaps you do not know what you want to find out but the feeling is there that, whatever you are, you are not in a perfect condition. That you do not know what is your fulfillment. You’re seeking actually your fulfillment. Now when I am talking to you about Sahaja Yoga I have to request you that, this subject is to be understood with careful thought. It’s not a frivolous thing, that you can get to God. Neither it is possible for any human being to achieve it himself. This makes it impossible for people to understand but as I have told you before, you have become a human being without doing anything about it. You got your nose stuck up there without using any glue, without doing any exercise or circus. In the same way if you have to become that higher being, it has to happen spontaneous manner. In a very spontaneous manner by the grace of God. This is something very difficult to digest for human beings because we are ego oriented.God has given us ego to decide whether we choose the righteousness or we choose the wrong path. Now I would again request you for one more thing, that it is for you to choose and it is for you to gain and not Me. I have nothing to gain to begin with and to end with. You have to gain something out of Me by not demanding but by accepting the gift of this knowledge for which you cannot pay me, you cannot purchase me, you cannot dominate me. Try to understand that so far if you have missed that point, be careful, that you do not going on sticking on to the same thing through which you have not achieved anything. If you still feel that you have been doing the right thing and that’s the right stuff you go ahead. Go ahead with it. That would be much more fair to me and to yourself. When you’ll find that you have not found it then you come back to me but don't try to show anger nor any demands. If you have not found it better have. It’s a simple common sense. Use your common sense about everything, that perhaps I hope, that you have not lost as yet. To begin, we must know that it is a spontaneous happening within us. That means we cannot do it. There are people who may teach you, who may tell you that you can do it but I am not going to tell you a lie. You cannot do it. Supposing I tell you, you hang on to it and go on calling God, God, you’ll get it. I can tell you fifty percent of you will do it but if I tell you you cannot do anything about it, you’ll not accept this proposition. It’s rather difficult. While you know in this country, Martin Luther’s ideas are there and he has also said it that, you can get it spontaneous. The another thing you must realize that all the scriptures and all the incarnations who came onto this Earth have a historical background. Like a seed sprouts into its root and shoot, then grows into a tree and then flowers, everything that happens to the tree has a meaning in the living process. If your evolution has to be living, it must have a history behind it, where all the incarnations came in and have left some mark within you. And as in a seed, you have the map of all the manifestations it is going to go through, in the same way in your seed of germination also there has to be a mark. There has to be some power that is going to work it out. After all God has created you from a small amoeba to human being and He’s not going to destroy this creation of His and He’s not going to leave it to you, to get to your way. As I, the other day was telling you, that all that is important has to work out spontaneously. For example, your own breathing. Supposing for breathing if you have to read libraries after libraries what’s going to happen? Whenever you try to do something like that you’re going away from the middle path of life where spontaneously you have been going as shown here in the central path, you can see, there are centers within us. Now, I am amazed that people who talk Shankaracharya do not talk of kundalini. I mean if Shankaracharya has written anything, he has written nothing but kundalini, kundalini, kundalini! He has written about the centers. Not only that but he has throughout praised the Mother, the Holy Mother. Nobody reads it and how do you believe this second hand, third hand and fifth hand knowledge? And just depend on someone because he says it is from Shankarcharya? It’s not difficult. All these books are in English. Most of them are translated and you can see for yourself that these people who have been called as seers, who have been the real guidelines have very clearly suggested that it is through the spontaneous development that you get it. Right up to Kabir you can come. Even much before Shankaracharya, the evolutionary system wasunderstood by group of seers who called them as ‘Nathpanthi.’ But they kept it as a secret because that was not the time to have amass evolution. Like few flowers appear on the tree for many years and then the blossom time comes, in the same way when a human being is fully prepared, then only, this amass evolution can work out. There are all these subtle centers within you. I do not know why should you accept any theory which does not relate to your body. People talk of body and mind. There was a big exhibition where they had also called Me. I am not for a sale. That’s the problem. But body and mind, you must know, what is in your body. What is in your body? Let’s see now. If there are doctors they’ll understand Me better. Within ourselves there is a nervous system and there is an autonomous nervous system which is, in Sanskrit language called ‘swayamchalu,’ auto. What is auto? What is ‘swayam’? Who is the one, who is running this nervous system? It has been found out by your sciences that there is a system which works by itself which has two sides; one is the parasympathetic and the another, the sympathetic. Now here, what I’m showing these three lines are representing, in the center, the parasympathetic nervous system, on the left, the left sympathetic and on the right, the right sympathetic. But these are the undercurrents of the actual manifestation of the gross. In the gross whatever you see has something behind it which works it out. For example, if there is a light burning here you must know that the electricity is coming from somewhere and there is a source somewhere which works it out. If the source is cut out this will go. In the same way, the source of these three autonomous nervous system within us are these channels which are subtle within us and they exist as energies. It is hard to see these energies because as you cannot see electricity, you cannot see these three channels which are within us. But the kundalini which is the germinating power within us, in the triangular bone, when it raises itself, then you can see the movement of this energy rising within you and you can feel it also with the stethoscope. You can see the pulsation of the kundalini.. This you cannot do. Try your level best. Jump for 100 times or stand on your heads, break your neck. Do anything you like. You cannot make your triangular bone pulsate. Can you? Anyone one of you, can you do it? That is what Shankaracharya has said. I am surprised how these things are misappropriated. There are so many types of people who have come and why are you not understanding the point? That you cannot do your own evolution. You cannot achieve it. God has made all the arrangements for you. Have you placed your eyes here which you’re using and have taken for granted? God has made them. He has placed them in the sockets and you are using them. You can only use it. You cannot do it. You can see with your naked eyes, as I said, the pulsation of the kundalini which many, at least fifty percent of people have seen and thousands have seen all over the world. You cannot cheat about it. You cannot just give talk story and talk and talk and talk! There has to be something happening within us. For example, if I take a stone and put it in the water, will it germinate? Only the living seed can germinate. In the same way you are a living being and it has to germinate. This kundalini rises through various centers that are within us. These centers are the landmarks of our evolution, in different stages, from amoeba to this stage. Now, going into details is a big problem, in such a short time but I would say you must get hold of the pamphlets we have got here and see through that and find out what are these centers. These centers exist within you and which you can feel it with the stethoscope when the kundalini is rising. They pulsate. That is the ‘Anahata,’ which Shankaracharya himself has called it ‘Anahata’ and you do not know the word ‘anahat,’ how do you talk of Shankaracharya? The sound without percussion. You can hear it. You can hear it on top of your head when it comes to and it breaks. But why are you wasting your time in something nonsensical because you can pay for it? Are you not really seeking something? Be truthful about it. Don’t try to waste your time. Hardly you’ve understood anything from all these things that you’ve been doing and still you are continuing with it. I have to request you, now get to yourself and get to know yourself and your own powers and do not be enamored by anybody’s powers, even Mine. You have your own powers within yourself and these powers must be manifested and these powers you should be able to handle and not that you are handled by somebody else all the time. Jog from places to places. Suddenly you find somebody shouting in the air. Without any control over? How can it be? You see the technique means, any technique means that you should be able to handle that power, isn’t it? If you cannot handle that power what sort of a technique is this? Supposing you go and touch the wire and you get a shock, then is that the technique? Will you call that the technique you got a shock from the wire? But if you know how to handle the technique then you know how to maneuver it. Is a simple common sense which we must know. The power which we cannot handle is not our own power. If it is your own power then you should be able to handle it. You should be able to know what your doing about it. So these are not your powers whatever so called techniques have brought to you. You have your own power in your heart as the Spirit is within you. Only thing it is to be enlightened. It has been said by all the scriptures of the world. All the great incarnations have said it and why don’t you relate everything to that? There is no secrecy about it. What is the secrecy about the truth which is just like light coming on this Earth? Secrecy is only done by mafia people. Only the mafias have to have secrecies about things. What is there to be a secret? If it is a universal language everybody should know! Everybody should be able to handle it and it should be amass realization to understand what is this power. Now coming to the point, what is this power? Let us see. As I said in our heart lies the Spirit, is the ‘Atma’ resides within us. Now the last breakthrough of our evolution is where we break our fontanelle bone by the awakening of the kundalini. This is the last. We’ve got all our instrument properly done. The chord is nicely, just like this chord, is nicely rounded up three and a half times, kept there ready, for a moment, when somebody who’s an authority comes forward and gives you that connection. You have to breakthrough. And this is the breakthrough when, will happen then, you must know that the whole language will change. You will have a transformation and you will have a new dimension. Even through your Psychology you can understand this. You don't have to go to scriptures. That the next step into human awareness has to be collective consciousness. Is a scientific thing. Already your sciences have discovered this collective consciousness. And what is collective consciousness? Is, to feel the other. For there is nobody the other. You are a part of the whole. You’re seeking that wholesomeness within you and once this will happen you will feel that wholesomeness and you’ll be amazed how will be feeling others within you. All these centers are in our fingers as shown there. There are 7 centers which are shown here and which you can also see in the map. All these centers get enlightened as soon as the kundalini goes out of the fontanelle and goes into the all pervading subtle power. You can feel it on your hands - what is wrong with you and what is wrong with others. You start feeling your own centers and you start feeling the centers of other people. Automatically. It’s a subjective knowledge it is not objective. You just become the subject. It just happens automatically within you. You don't have to think about it. It just works out as your human awareness has been achieved. In the same way super human being awareness also can be achieved through God’s grace. Now what is the technique of this? It is the technique of God. But still when you become one with the ocean, you also learn the technique of the ocean. When you become the whole, you also know the technique of the whole and that is what, is the technique of Sahaja Yoga. First of all, you have to be enlightened. Unless and until you’re connected what’s the use of doing anything else? For example, if this is not connected, what am I going to do with this? In the same way if you’re not connected with God, what are you shouting at? And whom are you calling? First thing is that you should be connected. Now for this, people have got theories. You see those who want to fill their pockets can find out lots of theories. Like how can you do it? You must cleanse yourself. Simple thing is that if you’re in the myre, you’re sinking, how are you going to cleanse? You’ve to get out of it. If you’re in the car how are you going to repair the car? You have to get out of it. You have to detach yourself from the car and you cannot do it through thought. By saying I’m detached, I’m detached, you cannot.This would be something like saying, I’m the Governor of Westminster, while I am not. It’s an illusion in which we live. It’s a fantasy with which we manage. It’s a happening where you just get detached like that. What surprises me, that why should you believe into an absurd thing like that? That it is the most difficult thing. Can’t you see so many flowers are turning into fruits every season. How many? Can’t you understand that you are also going to be transformed? Why should it be difficult? But if you are bent upon breaking your necks, I can’t help it! I mean, you can do whatever you please. After all you have the freedom; you can cut your noses, you can cut your ears, you can take out your eyes or you can do anything of that kind. How can anybody stop? Only thing I can do, is to feel anguished about it. So try to understand that there is a power within you. God has placed it there and it is going to be raised and you’re going to get that realization but already you have done lot of things to spoil your chakras nicely. I mean, man is onto another trip now. First he was destroying others. Now he is on the other side, he is destroying himself! There’s a special pleasure in destroying yourself. Like taking pain on your body. You see, we have heard people who beat themselves. They sit down and beat themselves, they enjoy. See, such queer people in modern times. Can you imagine? When I’m here, I find all sorts of funny people, half lunatic, half baked. Even if they are full lunatic I would be happy because at least they can go to lunatic asylum but they are half lunatic. They’re all the time trying to destroy themselves. Where is this destruction going to lead you? Like bearing the pain. Why should you? Why did Christ crucify Himself? Did He not? Or you don’t believe in it? Why are you crucifying yourself? Who has asked you to crucify yourself, for nothing at all? He didn’t even ask His disciple to carry His cross and why are you carrying your cross for nothing at all? The other day, I met some people, I was amazed how they have destroyed themselves. Imagine, it is something like that a Father Who is very compassionate, Who is full of love for you, Who has created all these beautiful things and Who just wants to open your eyes and suddenly He finds that you have become blind! You’re good for nothing. Imagine what a frustration it is! But still, His compassion and His grace and His love, is so great that how so ever you may have done wrong, it is not equal to a drop compared to a great ocean. His love is like that of ocean. He’ll engulf all that, I assure you. But still, like, I don't know what to call but I would say, childish people, frivolous people, foolish people, stupid people! If you’re sticking onto that, that ‘come, O bull, come and hit me’ and sitting down there paying the money to the bull, ‘come along, hit me more, now I give you more money, this time more money, come along, hit me more,’ then what can anybody do? If you’re still misidentified, it’s going to be very difficult for anyone. This afternoon I’ve been busy breaking my neck with those [unclear]. I’ve been trying and trying my level best but the trouble is the misidentification part, you cannot. You can treat any disease, cancer anything but not stupidity. Stupidity is something, is such a foolish thing that nobody wants to admit that you have been stupid. You want to carry on with it and you want to destroy yourself under the fantasy that you’re a great crusader or sort of a great martyr! There is no need to have martyrdom when you’re entering into the kingdom of God. Come along. There’s a welcome there. It’s a welcome for you. Please come along but I find all wounded soldiers around. All of them are so wounded. Doesn’t matter. As long as, you have love for yourself and love for your eternal being, as long as you want to evolve, everything is going to work out. Is going to help all of you. Try to understand that there is no argument which can convince you. It’s a happening. Supposing some people think that by arguing with me they will get their evolution, they do not because it is beyond thought. You cannot go there with the thought. So you’ll argue with the thought. With argument what have you achieved? What can you gain by arguments? It is not a mental feat. It is the feat of God which raises the kundalini by which you get your realization. But then there are people and there are people; now we have in India people called as ‘tantrikas.’ Specially they flourished in the 6th century in our country. You see, our country is a country of extremes. We have had very great saints and great incarnations, perhaps, maybe because they were absolutely the other side of it, we can call the mud. In the mud only these great lotus flowers were born. But we have also the greatest thugs and the greatest crooks of the world. You see, it is so well matched that it is difficult for you people to understand. They will look exactly the same. They’ll appear exactly the same but you won’t know what they are up to and if you’re anxious to deceive yourself then you will have it! If you’re anxious to go in the wrong way, they will do it. The first and foremost thing is that what righteousness you have achieved through any of your pursuits? What greatness have you achieved? What powers you have been able to manifest? For example, we had somebody in India who came to Me and before I could say anything he started jumping. I said now where to talk, you see. I said give him a loudspeaker and let him carry there. I just can’t talk and while jumping he was arguing. He was arguing and jumping and arguing and jumping. So I requested him, ’Sir, you please stop this otherwise I am fed up of raising my head down and up’ and the whole congregation got upset with that jumping. Alright, doesn’t matter. But thenI asked him, ‘now’, I said, ‘what’re you doing?’He said, ‘these are my powers’I said, ‘then control them! If these are your powers why don't you control them?’So he said, ‘now I cannot’I said ‘alright, I’ll control’I put My this thing and made him sit down. He sat down and then I said, ‘can you tell Me what’s the matter with this gentleman?’They said, ‘No’Then I said, ‘Can you tell me what’s the matter with you?’He said, ‘No’I said, ‘then how do you have your powers? At least you should know what’s the matter with you.’He said, ‘no’Then I said, ‘but what about your kundalini? Do you know where your Kundalini is?He said, ‘I don't believe in it’I said, ‘very nice! You don’t believe. Like a riddle somewhere, what you call a [fire flee] saying that I don't believe in the sun or I have no faith in the sun’I said, ‘alright, you don't believe in kundalini but see for yourself, now what is this pulsating?He looked at it and said, ‘yes, I can see that’ and then he started jumping, you see, up and down, up and down, up, he was so exhausted but then I found, he had a very bad heart and the heart was so badly damaged. I was so worried about this fellow.I said, ‘now you have to take to Sahaja Yoga very seriously and I’ll work on you.’I worked on him for the whole day and the whole night but next day again he was back. He couldn’t give up because he had a dress, he had a name, he had everything and he was thinking he has become a real minister of buffoonery. So, so the thing was on. One must know that God is a honorable thing. He gives you honor and not stupidity and useless things that the society does not respect. Whatever society respects is honourable. You get a status which is honorable. It gives you righteousness, it gives you discrimination. Minimum of minimum this should happen to you but if you are such a buffoon that you are jumping up and down, your clothes are falling down then who will call you a Godly person? Then on the streets I find some people dancing. How can that be God? It is dignified. Divinity is dignified. Dignity is the first thing that will be expressed in a person who is a realized soul. How can people believe a buffoon? Can they? Or clowns? How can you believe yourself when the whole technique leads you to buffoonery? Try to understand. Now they can give some explanation about it that you’re getting this and you’re getting that, but which scripture says so? In that also they are very very clever, some of them. The other day I received a letter from ‘Poona’ (Pune) with a book and I was amazed at it. The book was talking about Jnaneshwara, a great saint in India. The couplet was somewhere there and he was telling something else. I said, ‘how does it relate with this, I don't understand?’There is not a word of what he’s saying in that couplet. Now those who know the language, those who understand the language, if you translate something and say something else, how can they be deceived? But those who do not know can be deceived. So, first thing is that you should not be deceived, even by Me. You have to keep yourself alert but that doesn’t mean you all jump on me, my head and trouble me. Alert. If you get your realisation, then you will know that what I’m talking about is the truth but before realization be sure that you’re not yet been there what I’m talking about. Your still in a dream and the dream has to open into reality. You’re still not feeling the reality. Of course, fifty percent people here know but fifty do not know. When the dream opens out, your awareness becomes different. You become a different person and you start maneuvering immediately . So you have to know that dream has to end and reality has to come. You may even say that, ‘Mother the reality that you are talking of collective consciousness may be another dream.’ It is not. It’s very easily verified that whatever you achieve, what’s called in Sanskrit is ‘uplabdhi.’ Whatever you achieve, in that state, can be used for this dream state also. Everything has a relative understanding and you can understand it very well. For example, you can also say that, ‘Mother you might be another person who’s turning us into buffoonery. Alright, it’s quite correct. I mean you might say the same thing. For example I will tell you, we had some people in Poona (Pune), Poona we had, there were some people who came down and they said, ‘we are great brahmins and pundits’ and all that.I said, ‘Alright sit down and put your hands towards me’ and they just started shaking before me like this.I said, ‘why are you shaking?’ Now, you are brahmins, the great pundits and very educated people, why’re you shaking before me? Why don’t you control yourself?They said, ‘ Mother because You are Shakti that’s why we are shaking’I said, ‘but the others are also shaking. Ask them from where have they come?’They all had come from the lunatic asylum. I said, ‘they and you are in the same category, while the rest of them are getting cool breeze in the hand.’So relatively you must judge Sahaja Yoga. Now whether you are alright or not should be judged from the way some lunatics behave towards me. We have had many lunatics before. Now we have some hidden ones here. They don't appear but they are and they must understand that this is a disease which has to go away and which can be cleared. Absolutely clear. You have to become pure. You have to become lighter. It’s all going to drop out in no time. Only thing you have to decide about it. Not to quarrel and argue but get it and that will happen to you because you are all seekers. You have been seeking for ages. It was described in the Puranas that during this time, ‘kaliyuga,’ then it will be the worst time then all these great seekers who are moving in the big hills and dales will be born again and they’ll get their self realization. This is being promised and not the buffoonery. Your self realization and self when you realize you know about yourself and about others because there’s the same thread passing through all of you. When your attention is outside you are separate beads but when your attention is inside then you can feel others. Whatever I’m saying, whatever I’m explaining has been explained right from Socrates, Christ, Mohammed Sahib, all of them have said and I would request you to be humble about it and take your gift which is [for you]. But you don't open the mouth of the horse which is gifted to you. In the same way be decent because God is not going to fall at your feet that ‘please have your realization’ because God is not seeking election from you nor is He going to please you to that extent that your ego would be pampered because He doesn’t want to ruin you. He loves you. He is compassion, He’s love. His love is going to work it out. You cannot purchase love in the market and the divine love is something that is beyond all these material considerations. When you get your realization, you will know each and every technique because the vibrations, the cool vibrations, which is the enlightened awareness flowing from your hand which you can feel it in the central nervous system you will be able to handle it and use it. You will be able to protect yourself, you’ll be able to protect others and give them self realization only by raising your hand just like this. It is fantastic, it is tremendous, it is dynamic and really unbelievably great. I am Myself surprised at Myself the way it is working but thanks to you I would say, that you are there to receive it and get it. It cannot be worked out with many but works out with quite a lot of people. Only the trouble is that, here is the seeking in the West. The western people are seeking much more than Indian people are seeking but Indians are the ones who know about knowledge. They are not naive, they are not ignorant so they cannot be befooled much while in the West, people are ignorant about it and that’s how they can be befooled. So it’s a funny combination for Me and as the seeking is, it is going to work out, it is going to happen to all of you. May God Bless you! Can I have some water. So, as usual if there are any sensible questions, please ask. Question: If it is Your power, can we do anything? Answer: Now, the thing is, first, I’m saying, for your awakening, for the connection and then you can do it. You understood? First of all you should be awakened, enlightened and then your powers will start manifesting and then you have to do it. After that, so this is the thing, alright? Like, till your car has started you cannot move it. It’s something like that but once your car has started you can use it. It’s like that. Alright?Got the point? That’s God’s powers, so you can say that way but you are a part and parcel of God. Ok? So, this doesn’t remain any more, this difference doesn't remain any more. So, it is like, I don't say these are the powers of my finger, do I? I say these are my powers while these are the powers of my finger. In the same way if you are the part and parcel of God then the powers of you and God are just the same because they are working through you. Alright? You’re working for the whole. SY is not a thing that you can finish it in one day and it has taken me, I think, I don't know, number of lectures here also, tried to explain and we have also published a book and this book will be available, I think, I hope so…within 15-20 days which gives you lot of knowledge about it but without realisation you should not read that book. It’s not going to help you at all.You have to get your realization first and then read about it. Question: [Inaudible] Answer: How many people has he given realization? How many people has this Gururaj given realization to? Not one! So forget it, you see, don’t bring in names because you know then it amounts to criticism unnecessarily. Not one person has been given, realized. Now at least 50% are realized souls who can feel your kundalini, her kundalini and their own kundalini. Even Heister has started feeling. Alright? So don’t bring in such names because you see it amounts to personal criticism to which I do not want to indulge in. I’m not interested. Don’t take anybody’s name or book’s name because it is useless. So far you haven’t got it. So better get it. I know some of you might have paid some money so you think better cash him also but its rather difficult. It’s a lost game. So forget about it [laughs]. It is! Better give up!If you haven’t got it as yet, you better get it. That’s the point. If you bring in any name, I do not want to say anything about anyone because none of them have given realisation to anyone. Simple thing. And the real ones are not coming out in the public. They are hiding themselves somewhere else. They don't want to get crucified and you cannot crucify Me. I am too good for that. Alright, just put your hands like this towards Me. You have to take out your shoes. All of you should take out your shoes. Put both your feet on the ground. Now. And don’t concentrate. This is another thing, this concentrating is wrong. Do not concentrate at any point. Please do not concentrate. Just let it go and let it happen. Let it be, Let it be. For her it’s alright. Let her rest her feet on the… It’s alright. What has she got? polio? What is the trouble? Have they removed any parts? Oh, this is the problem, you see! They remove a part, it’s impossible. It’s a re-pairing shop here. I can repair it but if you’ve removed some parts and put some dead things there, it’s rather difficult. We’ll work it out. Let her have her [hand]. Now you may close your eyes. If you can. Some of you may not be able to because if there is flickering in your eyelids, open your eyes. Be honest to yourself. Sahaja Yoga can only be achieved by being honest to yourself. Nobody is going to force anything on you. In all your discretion and your own self respect, you should be honest to yourself. Close your eyes and see if there is a flickering in your eyelids. Now, those who feel they have no thought in the mind, can be on the look out for the cool breeze to come on their hands flowing inside. But may be in the beginning, it may be hot, may be tingling, could be anything. If it is tingling then you have to just throw it away like that, if it is tingling. If it is cool breeze it’s alright. If it is hot also then you can throw it. Just throw it away, be honest about it and if it is cool breeze, you just keep your eyes closed. Put both the feet on the ground properly. Take out the shoes. Remove the shoes, yes, put your feet on the ground. Take out your shoes, my child, take out your shoes. Have you got your shoes? No? Alright. Tingling? Just, you sit comfortably here, be comfortable, be very comfortable. First thing is comfortable. If there is any pain, anything, open your eyes. You should not feel any pain. but if there is, then please open your eyes. Just close your eyes. Please close your eyes. [Inaudible] If your wearing specks or [unclear] then take it away and if you have any, what you call, any tight things like belts or something, loosen it a little bit, if there’s anything tight. Be comfortable. Be comfortable. Be absolutely comfortable. If the hair from the forehead are removed it would better for Me. Forehead should be open. Please keep the forehead open. (Mother speaks in Hindi and tells someone to remove someone’s cap). Now, just like this open it out because forehead should be open, it’s good. Now put your hand again. Yes. Now first thing is now, I feel, kundalini stops at this point, and here, the essence is forgiveness. So please forgive everyone, even your horrible gurus who have taken money from you. Just forgive all of them. You don’t have to bother. God will look after them. Just say ‘I forgive ALL of them.’ Now you have to also ask forgiveness from God. Any mistakes I have committed in my [unclear] Oh God! Please forgive me.You can put your right hand on your heart and say this. Right hand on your heart and left hand towards me. Now say this. Heister keep your eyes open. Very bad heart all of you have. All the TM people must get their cardiogram. Cardiogram must be brought in. Very bad heart, very bad heart. Like a frozen heart it is. Hmm…better..[unclear] just say that please forgive me. The aspect of God in your heart, that is the Spirit, is the one that is the ocean forgiveness. He forgives you but you must ask for forgiveness. He’s the ocean of compassion. These are the mantras. Feeling the cool? Good. Are you feeling?Humble yourself in your heart at the Lotus Feet of God. Humble yourself in your heart. Whatever you will do with your heart you will have no doubt. So put attention to your heart and humble down yourself and say that, Oh Lord! Please forgive me if I have done any mistakes without knowledge, without understanding or also with understanding, please forgive me because You are the ocean of compassion. (57:35 min) Do not disturb others. Please do not. This is the most important time of this life and many lives before. So understand it’s value. If you have anything in your neck then please take out. If you have been to other gurus specially because they catch your vishuddhi. Suddenly you feel there is no thought in your mind. Feeling lighter? Much lighter. Keep your eyes shut. Please keep your eyes shut. Just keep your eyes shut for a while. Feel extremely relaxed. Try to remember this experience. Try to remember this experience. Some of you are not yet getting it because you are trying. Just don't try, leave it. Now put both the hands towards me. Put them on your lap and be comfortable. Put your hands straight but be comfortable. Close the door It’s a very deep experience. Keep your eyes shut because if the eyes are opened out there is dilation of the pupil. The kundalini will stop before the Agyna. Please keep your eyes shut. All of you. [1:09:18] This experience comes to you because the Kundalini has been waiting for such a long time. Out of joy She gives you this experience but after this you have to learn about It. You have to know what It is, how to maneuver It, how to work It out, what It means, then the technique starts. First you should initiate It with realization. [1:10:40]How many of you are feeling cool breeze in the hands? Raise your hands. Raise them high. Good. Good. Are you feeling? No? This lady next to you? Are you feeling? Not yet feeling? Those who are not feeling vibrations, cool breeze in the hand, please raise your hands. Honestly.Your alright. Now, those who are not feeling the cool breeze and have not been to a guru, raise your hand. You’ve not been to any guru? One, two, who else? Just stand up. In the end there? I can see the hand there. What’s that? Ok now, give yourself a bandhan. You’ve not been to any guru? You’ve not been to any guru my son? Nowhere? Your not feeling any cool breeze? Alright.Who else is there? Who has not been to a guru and not feeling vibrations. Not been to any guru? You come along, alright? Here. Can you sit, sit next to that girl, three of you.You have not been to any guru my son. ‘TM’. Only TM? Alright, No, no, but you are feeling the cool breeze. ‘Yes.’ Then the question is not there. You are also not feeling? Alright.

7/8/1979

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Guru Puja. Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK), 8 July 1979. Today is the day of Guru Purnima. It is a full moon day, that’s why it’s called as purnima. The guru has to be like a full moon: means completely grown, completely matured. There are sixteen kalas, or the phases, of the moon, and when the complete purnima comes in, the full moon day, all the sixteen kalas are completed. You also know that in the Vishuddhi chakra there are sixteen sub plexuses. When Krishna is described as Viraata, He’s called as the Sampoorna: the complete incarnation of Vishnu’s aspect. Because He’s got the sixteen phases completely done. So today’s number is sixteen. Six plus one is seven. Now we have to understand the importance of guru. Why should we have a guru when we have God? We have got shakti, then why should we have a guru? What is the need to have a guru? ‘Guru’ means the weight, the weight. We get our weight from the magnetic forces of the gravity of the Mother Earth. So guru means gravity, the gravity in a person. Why do we need a guru? Because to know God is easy, specially in Sahaja Yoga, to be one with Him. As soon as you get your Self-Realisation in Sahaja Yoga, the modern Sahaja Yoga, immediately you become entitled to give Realisations to other people. It was said that guru is the person who makes you meet the Divine. But it’s not true, because any Self-realised person in the Sahaja Yoga can raise the Kundalini and can give Self-realisation to others; immediately after they have touched the Sahasrara or opened the Sahasrara. But normally a realised-soul cannot do it. Any born-realised soul cannot do it on its own. It has to have authority of me, as I am today That’s why it was said that guru is a person who makes you meet God: means raises the Kundalini and makes you one with God. Because in those days when the gurus were Self-realised, when the gurus were realised, they had the authority and power of raising the Kundalini only after they had reached a very great state of evolution: complete purification, complete detachment. So it was not possible for people to give Realisation when they just touched the realised state. Most of the gurus in the olden days started by first cleansing the people. First cleansed them, one by one, raised the Kundalini, brought it to every chakra and then gave them Realisation. It was a different technique altogether. You can say it was a bullock cart technique. And that’s why one mantra was given for a particular chakra: where was the problem, where the Kundalini was stopping. For about, some people used to get it even for ten years they would work out on one chakra. I have known people who have been working on Agnya for ten years, twenty years. But you know in Sahaja Yoga we clear it out just like that. That has something to do with your particular ?? and ??. So the first conception that a person who makes you meet God is the guru has to be a little bit advanced. Because for you now it’s the child’s play to raise the Kundalini and make them one with the Divine. But still you don’t become guru in the Sahaja Yoga terminology. Even if you have vikalpas, you have doubts, about Sahaja Yoga still you can do it if you raise your hand. Even when your chitta, attention, is not clear cut still you can do it. You can still do it. How? How it has worked out that way, so beautifully? It has worked out, I would say, at this stage only. Maybe later on I will tell you. But its pure Divine, which is not contaminated by whatever state you may be in, its flowing: absolutely pure Divine. With others it was different, they had to cleanse it, clear it out. As an instrument you are perfect, but as a guru you are not. Whatever may be your defects or whatever you maybe lacking, you raise your hand and the Kundalini will rise, at your beck and call. On your fingers it is going to move. You get tremendous power. You can ask anyone, they’ll tell you they are surprised. They are jealous of you. They can’t understand that how, by raising your fingers, that you are perfect instruments. Because you are created by somebody really perfect. But you are not perfect gurus: that one has to understand. And that is why you need a guru to tell you all that, what is the perfection. Now as I have told you, that guru means gravity. You cannot say where is the axis of Mother Earth is? You cannot see it. I mean you cannot see it, you cannot feel it. But they say there is an axis on which the Mother Earth rotates. So it’s an energy, an energy on which this Mother Earth rotates. In the same way you have an axis, which is your Sushumna, which gives you the gravity. The first important thing for a guru is that your gravity point is one. Everything centres on gravity. Unless and until your attention is completely fixed on to that gravity point within you — which is called as dhrugva, is a fixed point — you cannot become a guru. So the gravity in you comes to you by clearing your attention, by looking at your attention where does it go? How do you reach your gravity point or anything that has a gravity point? How do we discover it? We go on balancing it, and when the balance is complete, that time we say this is the gravity point. In the same way your attention should hold your gravity point in complete balance. So the first thing is that you should be a balanced person. But a balanced person is not a fixed person, he is not rigid. But an imbalanced person is a person who runs here, there, there, even after coming to Sahaja Yoga: running after this, running after that, running after that. Such a person cannot achieve much. Fix your gravity points, the balancing point, with Sahaja Yoga. That is much [more] important than knowing anything else. First of all fix your gravity point then you will be amazed that, whatever you see apart from Sahaj Yoga, in the light of Sahaja Yoga, you will realise that, how it relates to Sahaja Yog as it relates to you gravity point. Say it is against it, still you will see where it is against. If it is for it, you will see where it is for. For example you will read books: immediately you will know what is the truth, what is not the truth. But if you do not have that point fixed or attained, then you will be slipping down this side or that side. Anything else can attract you, you can slip down from Truth. So that point has to be fixed first of all within yourselves: dhruvapada as they call it; the position of the fixed point from which we understand that everything radiates from it, everything is controlled from here. The light within us by which we see what is darkness and what is reality. But do all this, even if you glorify and say all the names and chant everything, it has no meaning unless and until you develop discipline about it. Discipline is the sthai bhav or you can say the emotion of permanence for a guru state, guru seva, or for becoming a guru. You must discipline your body, discipline your mind, discipline yourself. Sahaja Yoga is such a simple thing to have: I mean you are just connected with me. But you are not a guru. So how do you discipline yourself? Some people have awkward way in their bodies, then they should get to it, that they have a proper way in their body. Mould your body. It is not to torture your body but to master your body. For example, I would not say that you go and sit in the cold ice water. Its wrong, to freeze yourself and make your bones horrible. But you must do all that is required to give you a supple body and a body that can live under any circumstances. A little bit of course you have to exert also, that you should be able to sit on the ground properly, that you should be able to sleep on the ground properly. There should be no problem about these things. You have to discipline. Sahaja Yoga is a real blessing, but can be sometimes a blessing in disguise. If you take it for granted you will drift out, you wont go very further. So the body should be such that it should be able to take lot of load upon itself, should be able to do a lot of work. This is for you to decide about your own body. Now you see your gurus body how it is: I take lot of work out of my body. I can work for hours together. I can keep awake for hours together. I’ll never even once say that my body is no good. It’s such a nice friend I have. But there is a very great tapasya state, penance we have to have, tremendous penance. Because this is a human body which had to work out lots of things. You know at the time of Rama, He had to walk bare feet all the way. He was a King and He had to live in a hut. So do not be dominated by luxuries and comforts. I do not mean to say that you unnecessarily torture your body, that’s not the point at all. Because I must bring the balancing point, always. But do not pamper your body that it becomes a hurdle for your penance. Keep your body clean, respect your body, and it will be very happy when it will know that you have used it for the Divine purpose. There’s an Indian word for which we call it: a ‘bhaitak’ here. I don’t know, there is no English equal to that. But bhaitak means the power to sit: that’s the gravity within you. How long can you sit in one posture, what is your bhaitak. Like any studies or anything they’ll ask, “What is your bhaitak?” “Have you got the bhaitak?” Is the power to be seated on one point: how long you can sit continuously. That is how you judge your gravity. Unless and until you have a bhaitak you cannot be a guru. So the body is to be brought round properly. It has to be disciplined. It's no question of becoming thin or fat, but the body should be such that you should be able to use it for your purpose as a guru. Sometimes, you will find you can’t sleep on the ground: then you [should] sleep on the ground for three, four days, then the body will be very happy. It will pain [for] one or two days. But do not insult your body. This is the other side of the discipline: we don’t take our bath, we don’t keep ourselves all right. Then you are insulting your body. Look after it. You may have to look after its softness, the gentleness of the body. Treat it with respect. By becoming barbaric you are insulting your body. So the body is very important, this is made of five elements, and all these five elements within us, as gurus, has to be sparkling. I can go on like this but now you think about it: in future, what have you to do with your body. How you are going to use the five elements within your body, to cleanse them, make then beautiful so that your light sparkles. The gravity comes to you in your body this way: that you start generating your power or your principle of gurutva, principle of your mastery, through this point of your gravity. The second point is your attention should have that gravity. Your attention is very important. A person who is easily disturbed is not a deep person. Or easily taken to something, like say emotions. Or easily to some other, say, intellectual pursuit. As gurus there will be temptations for you. People will be challenging your state. A person comes out with a very big intellectual ‘truth’ or something, then immediately you feel challenged about it and you will say, “All right let me handle the situation.” Handle it at the Sahaja Yoga point, on your gravity. Just sit down on your gravity and see for yourself. Immediately you will know how to handle the situation. You need not talk to that person, you’ll handle the situation all right: not on [the] intellectual level but on your gravity. If the attention has the gravity, it pulls down the ego and the superego of other people. Then you will not be frustrated or frantic. Also if you can start from the outside it may work out with human beings; it works out like that. Like study your behaviour how you behave towards others. Or study your attention how it behaves towards outside: what attracts your attention, what attracts your attention. Study your attention. By that study you will be able to fix your attention in its maryada, in its boundaries. Once you put the boundaries to the attention then the depth starts developing. The person who has no boundaries can never have depth, he will be spreading just like that, always; no depth at all. So you have to put boundaries by understanding your attention, that, “No not more than that.” “All right not more than that.” Like some people in Sahaja Yoga I have seen, they get interested in a patient, then for them that patient becomes important. Or get interested in some person that he must get Realisation: “my mother,” “my father,” “my, my” . And all the time they are talking about it: “my jobs,” “my clothes,” some sort of a ‘my’. And they don’t know how to draw the line. You must know where to draw the line, is maryadas. Otherwise the whole thing will fritter away. You will become a frivolous person. There won’t be any gravity in you. So you must know how far to go with a person when you are dealing as a guru, then you are a master. But if you do not know where to draw the line, you may be crossing the line and getting into his clutches. So the best way to handle the situation is to get into thoughtless awareness, again and again and again and again, and you establish that clearly. Now, some of them complain to me that it’s not an easy thing to do. It’s the easiest thing to do, if you give up all other useless things that you are doing. And then gravity will give you the wisdom to do the right thing at the right time. Ashram is a place where one has to learn to be a guru. But I find it is not always a good experiment for people. Once they have an ashram they take it for granted. They think, “This is the place for us to nicely come and live and some people will work, some will be enjoying. Some will pay some will not pay.” It’s most surprising. You must immediately find out the person who really has the spiritual authority and try to follow that person. And instead of that we try to meet up with people who are of lower spiritual authority. And [if] he sleeps till nine o’clock, everybody sleeps! In an ashram nobody should sleep after six o’clock: is an absolute thing. Absurd! You must sleep early and get up early. Otherwise you can stay outside. You all must get up at six o’clock. Do you know what time your Mother gets up? And what I find: nobody is up here. In India they all get up very early. But I find nobody is up here and my attention is all wasted. And you don’t realise how important all these things are. This is the training time for you. For this you are born, you have been seeking this for ages now. You have got it now, you must discipline yourself. But I have seen in ashramas where people pay a big amount, they get up at six o’clock, 4 o’clock, 3 o’clock. Because in Sahaja Yoga everything has to come from you. This is the style it is. At the most I can ask people who are not all right, to go out for a while, live outside, and then the join ashram. That helps some people. But not more than that; because I am also a Mother though I am a Guru. It is you who should mature yourself. You’ll mature much faster than [if] I force things on you. Finding faults with others but not with yourself. You must have a discipline, a time in the morning to get up, do little a puja or something. At least spend half an hour, all of you together. You should be ready by 6 or 6.30, sit down, do meditation. I have to lay down rules for you now, because you do not want to lay it down. I am also amazed that many people do not know even my aarti, after so many years, by heart. That is what Sahaja Yoga is, because it’s a Mahamaya. So you have to learn it yourself. You have to do it yourself. It’s easy to talk about Sahaja Yoga, very simple: stand up and talk. Because you have heard from your Mother, your talk. But it will have no impression on another person! It will fritter away. Because it must come from your centre of gravity. This is the greatest thing you can do to yourself: is to discipline yourself fully. And compete in disciplining yourself; and make your body all right, your attention correct Attention is corrected by many ways. As I said: watch your attention, where does it go. Now what else are we going to talk but Sahaja Yoga? Is there anything more beautiful or more interesting, more manifesting than Sahaja Yoga is? And what is the job of a guru? Is nothing but to expose the Parabrahma Itself, the whole working of the Divine; that is the job of a guru. To expose the complete working of the Parabrahma is the job of a guru in the modern times, not only raising the Kundalini. But after raising the Kundalini you should be able to tell all about the Divine powers and everything. For that you have to learn, you have to read, you have to understand. Do you understand now the difference between the old gurus and modern gurus? Because they were brought with such tremendous discipline and hardly one or two used to be great gurus. They went through such studies and such interrogations and examination and tests that by the time they were 75 or so they became gurus. But we have to do it quick and the best way is to do it yourself. Perhaps the tradition of the Western countries do not give you much impetus for disciplining. That’s called cutting out yourself perhaps. But a disciplined person is the only one who can be a Sahaj Yogi. Spontaneity works best in a disciplined person. A disciplined person is the one who knows the technique, and the energy is the spontaneity. But a person who is frittered away what will spontaneity do with it? It cannot work it out; the instrument is so horrible. So you discipline yourselves so that others would be disciplined by your behaviour. Once you have disciplined yourself, when you become a guru, you have certain privileges as a master. And it was used as a weapon by many masters before, you need do that. I am just telling you as a side issue — is the temper. All the gurus had tremendous temper. It was expected of the guru. Like I would tell you about Allauddin Khan Sahib who was a great musician, was the master of Ravi Shankar and all these people. And my father was the political advisor to this Maharaja of Maihar. And we went down there, I was there also. That time Ravi Shankar was an artist was playing a little bit here and there. I mean he was quite a good artist still. So his guru had a great respect for my father. He used to treat my father very great reverence. So he was playing something, he was very good at Mridangam. So he played the Mridangam for my father. So in that the tune or the lehara is there, the tune one has to play, the simple tune; just to play the mridangam, to be played on that (as an accompaniment). So my father asked Ravi Shankar to play and he got out of the situation. When his guru went away he came and told my father, “See this one here? The big lump coming out in the head.” He said, “He has broken my sitar on my head this morning because I played one swara, one note, in a wrong way.” This is the gurupad! You know? You cannot take liberties with your guru at all, and at the slightest [mistake] they will take up this and hit you, you see. So people used to be very careful. If they were sitting near the stone. The people would stay away from them. They would throw stones. They’ll keep a chimta, big chimta like this. Anybody coming near them they would hit them. At the slightest thing they gave a chimta to a disciple. It was a long thing, you know, made out of iron and a chimta is a double pronged thing. And they would hit the person, “Tham!” like this. It was the situation before I came in here as your guru. It is difficult to be a guru and a Mother, I cannot do both things together! (laughing) But that was the situation, even those great artist today who are playing great things like you’ll hear now Vilayat Khan Sahib: you go and ask him about his guru, how much time he was beaten up, absolutely beaten up any swara they did wrong was: absolute chastity, absolute discipline. If the guru said, “Five o’clock tomorrow,” even if guru comes or not, five o’clock you have to be there. For any art in the Indian style was like that, complete discipline. Without discipline not even education was imparted: terrible taskmasters. And that’s what they used which you need not here in Sahaja Yoga. There is no need to use temper in Sahaja Yoga because I have not given you, imparted, any knowledge to you with temper. Perhaps there could be hardly anyone who has seen me in a temper. So that is not the way we Sahaja Yogis are going to impart knowledge to others. We have to be very mild and sweet, because in the pattern of your own Guru, because She’s sweet, She’s very mild and She’s very persuasive and kind. In the same way you have to be, because that pattern you haven’t learned. That’s why don’t take to that kind of a pattern where people are in a big temper and they come out with a big temper. It doesn’t behove a Sahaj Yogi to be like that. I mean, they had such tremendous powers also that they could just make somebody into ashes; with such a temper they lived. And they had one guru somewhere like a Rock of Gibraltar, that you face him and you hit your head. At least one or twice you must have a big hitting from him, otherwise he’s not your guru. That was the system. Now we have a great artist sitting here. You must be also remembering his guru, who must have really beaten him nicely before he imparted knowledge. They said, “Without you hit and chisel, you cannot make a good disciple.” And this time we are going to challenge that and to prove that our Mother was extremely kind and still we are chiseled out beautifully, by your own chisel. That’s why I request you to do it yourself because I cannot do it as a Mother. And that’s why it is your responsibility to do it that way. Today is the day where we all have to decide that we are going to be gurus now. I am going to retire as a guru. It’s all right to be a Mother to you people. Now you have to be gurus of other people, and for that you must know what you should achieve. You have all the powers within you, you can manifest them also. But you cannot have a following unless and until you become a guru. This is the only difference [there] is. If you want to have a following then you must chisel out yourself in that fashion that, as soon as people see you, they should say, “Here is [somebody] with that gravity.” I think that should be sufficient for today’s Guru puja. Only thing, the last, most important thing is, that you cannot make a drama out of it. It has to be a reality. By standing like a big, imposing person, you do not become that. On the contrary people will think you are mad. It should be from within that you should develop that dignity within yourself, that poise, that balance, that understanding, within yourself. A kindly poise, a beautiful personality, benevolent. But standing above everyone else by it’s gravity, depth, gentlemanliness, generosity, proper bearing, neatness, cleanliness [and] above all, love: a heart like an ocean, most forgiving. I am sure next year we’ll have some gurus here who have already got some disciples around them. May God bless you.

Guru Puja. Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK), 8 July 1979. Today is the day of Guru Purnima. It is a full moon day, that’s why it’s called as purnima. The guru has to be like a full moon: means completely grown, completely matured. There are sixteen kalas, or the phases, of the moon, and when the complete purnima comes in, the full moon day, all the sixteen kalas are completed. You also know that in the Vishuddhi chakra there are sixteen sub plexuses. When Krishna is described as Viraata, He’s called as the Sampoorna: the complete incarnation of Vishnu’s aspect. Because He’s got the sixteen phases completely done. So today’s number is sixteen. Six plus one is seven. Now we have to understand the importance of guru. Why should we have a guru when we have God? We have got shakti, then why should we have a guru? What is the need to have a guru? ‘Guru’ means the weight, the weight. We get our weight from the magnetic forces of the gravity of the Mother Earth. So guru means gravity, the gravity in a person. Why do we need a guru? Because to know God is easy, specially in Sahaja Yoga, to be one with Him. As soon as you get your Self-Realisation in Sahaja Yoga, the modern Sahaja Yoga, immediately you become entitled to give Realisations to other people. It was said that guru is the person who makes you meet the Divine. But it’s not true, because any Self-realised person in the Sahaja Yoga can raise the Kundalini and can give Self-realisation to others; immediately after they have touched the Sahasrara or opened the Sahasrara. But normally a realised-soul cannot do it. Any born-realised soul cannot do it on its own. It has to have authority of me, as I am today That’s why it was said that guru is a person who makes you meet God: means raises the Kundalini and makes you one with God. Because in those days when the gurus were Self-realised, when the gurus were realised, they had the authority and power of raising the Kundalini only after they had reached a very great state of evolution: complete purification, complete detachment. So it was not possible for people to give Realisation when they just touched the realised state. Most of the gurus in the olden days started by first cleansing the people. First cleansed them, one by one, raised the Kundalini, brought it to every chakra and then gave them Realisation. It was a different technique altogether. You can say it was a bullock cart technique. And that’s why one mantra was given for a particular chakra: where was the problem, where the Kundalini was stopping. For about, some people used to get it even for ten years they would work out on one chakra. I have known people who have been working on Agnya for ten years, twenty years. But you know in Sahaja Yoga we clear it out just like that. That has something to do with your particular ?? and ??. So the first conception that a person who makes you meet God is the guru has to be a little bit advanced. Because for you now it’s the child’s play to raise the Kundalini and make them one with the Divine. But still you don’t become guru in the Sahaja Yoga terminology. Even if you have vikalpas, you have doubts, about Sahaja Yoga still you can do it if you raise your hand. Even when your chitta, attention, is not clear cut still you can do it. You can still do it. How? How it has worked out that way, so beautifully? It has worked out, I would say, at this stage only. Maybe later on I will tell you. But its pure Divine, which is not contaminated by whatever state you may be in, its flowing: absolutely pure Divine. With others it was different, they had to cleanse it, clear it out. As an instrument you are perfect, but as a guru you are not. Whatever may be your defects or whatever you maybe lacking, you raise your hand and the Kundalini will rise, at your beck and call. On your fingers it is going to move. You get tremendous power. You can ask anyone, they’ll tell you they are surprised. They are jealous of you. They can’t understand that how, by raising your fingers, that you are perfect instruments. Because you are created by somebody really perfect. But you are not perfect gurus: that one has to understand. And that is why you need a guru to tell you all that, what is the perfection. Now as I have told you, that guru means gravity. You cannot say where is the axis of Mother Earth is? You cannot see it. I mean you cannot see it, you cannot feel it. But they say there is an axis on which the Mother Earth rotates. So it’s an energy, an energy on which this Mother Earth rotates. In the same way you have an axis, which is your Sushumna, which gives you the gravity. The first important thing for a guru is that your gravity point is one. Everything centres on gravity. Unless and until your attention is completely fixed on to that gravity point within you — which is called as dhrugva, is a fixed point — you cannot become a guru. So the gravity in you comes to you by clearing your attention, by looking at your attention where does it go? How do you reach your gravity point or anything that has a gravity point? How do we discover it? We go on balancing it, and when the balance is complete, that time we say this is the gravity point. In the same way your attention should hold your gravity point in complete balance. So the first thing is that you should be a balanced person. But a balanced person is not a fixed person, he is not rigid. But an imbalanced person is a person who runs here, there, there, even after coming to Sahaja Yoga: running after this, running after that, running after that. Such a person cannot achieve much. Fix your gravity points, the balancing point, with Sahaja Yoga. That is much [more] important than knowing anything else. First of all fix your gravity point then you will be amazed that, whatever you see apart from Sahaj Yoga, in the light of Sahaja Yoga, you will realise that, how it relates to Sahaja Yog as it relates to you gravity point. Say it is against it, still you will see where it is against. If it is for it, you will see where it is for. For example you will read books: immediately you will know what is the truth, what is not the truth. But if you do not have that point fixed or attained, then you will be slipping down this side or that side. Anything else can attract you, you can slip down from Truth. So that point has to be fixed first of all within yourselves: dhruvapada as they call it; the position of the fixed point from which we understand that everything radiates from it, everything is controlled from here. The light within us by which we see what is darkness and what is reality. But do all this, even if you glorify and say all the names and chant everything, it has no meaning unless and until you develop discipline about it. Discipline is the sthai bhav or you can say the emotion of permanence for a guru state, guru seva, or for becoming a guru. You must discipline your body, discipline your mind, discipline yourself. Sahaja Yoga is such a simple thing to have: I mean you are just connected with me. But you are not a guru. So how do you discipline yourself? Some people have awkward way in their bodies, then they should get to it, that they have a proper way in their body. Mould your body. It is not to torture your body but to master your body. For example, I would not say that you go and sit in the cold ice water. Its wrong, to freeze yourself and make your bones horrible. But you must do all that is required to give you a supple body and a body that can live under any circumstances. A little bit of course you have to exert also, that you should be able to sit on the ground properly, that you should be able to sleep on the ground properly. There should be no problem about these things. You have to discipline. Sahaja Yoga is a real blessing, but can be sometimes a blessing in disguise. If you take it for granted you will drift out, you wont go very further. So the body should be such that it should be able to take lot of load upon itself, should be able to do a lot of work. This is for you to decide about your own body. Now you see your gurus body how it is: I take lot of work out of my body. I can work for hours together. I can keep awake for hours together. I’ll never even once say that my body is no good. It’s such a nice friend I have. But there is a very great tapasya state, penance we have to have, tremendous penance. Because this is a human body which had to work out lots of things. You know at the time of Rama, He had to walk bare feet all the way. He was a King and He had to live in a hut. So do not be dominated by luxuries and comforts. I do not mean to say that you unnecessarily torture your body, that’s not the point at all. Because I must bring the balancing point, always. But do not pamper your body that it becomes a hurdle for your penance. Keep your body clean, respect your body, and it will be very happy when it will know that you have used it for the Divine purpose. There’s an Indian word for which we call it: a ‘bhaitak’ here. I don’t know, there is no English equal to that. But bhaitak means the power to sit: that’s the gravity within you. How long can you sit in one posture, what is your bhaitak. Like any studies or anything they’ll ask, “What is your bhaitak?” “Have you got the bhaitak?” Is the power to be seated on one point: how long you can sit continuously. That is how you judge your gravity. Unless and until you have a bhaitak you cannot be a guru. So the body is to be brought round properly. It has to be disciplined. It's no question of becoming thin or fat, but the body should be such that you should be able to use it for your purpose as a guru. Sometimes, you will find you can’t sleep on the ground: then you [should] sleep on the ground for three, four days, then the body will be very happy. It will pain [for] one or two days. But do not insult your body. This is the other side of the discipline: we don’t take our bath, we don’t keep ourselves all right. Then you are insulting your body. Look after it. You may have to look after its softness, the gentleness of the body. Treat it with respect. By becoming barbaric you are insulting your body. So the body is very important, this is made of five elements, and all these five elements within us, as gurus, has to be sparkling. I can go on like this but now you think about it: in future, what have you to do with your body. How you are going to use the five elements within your body, to cleanse them, make then beautiful so that your light sparkles. The gravity comes to you in your body this way: that you start generating your power or your principle of gurutva, principle of your mastery, through this point of your gravity. The second point is your attention should have that gravity. Your attention is very important. A person who is easily disturbed is not a deep person. Or easily taken to something, like say emotions. Or easily to some other, say, intellectual pursuit. As gurus there will be temptations for you. People will be challenging your state. A person comes out with a very big intellectual ‘truth’ or something, then immediately you feel challenged about it and you will say, “All right let me handle the situation.” Handle it at the Sahaja Yoga point, on your gravity. Just sit down on your gravity and see for yourself. Immediately you will know how to handle the situation. You need not talk to that person, you’ll handle the situation all right: not on [the] intellectual level but on your gravity. If the attention has the gravity, it pulls down the ego and the superego of other people. Then you will not be frustrated or frantic. Also if you can start from the outside it may work out with human beings; it works out like that. Like study your behaviour how you behave towards others. Or study your attention how it behaves towards outside: what attracts your attention, what attracts your attention. Study your attention. By that study you will be able to fix your attention in its maryada, in its boundaries. Once you put the boundaries to the attention then the depth starts developing. The person who has no boundaries can never have depth, he will be spreading just like that, always; no depth at all. So you have to put boundaries by understanding your attention, that, “No not more than that.” “All right not more than that.” Like some people in Sahaja Yoga I have seen, they get interested in a patient, then for them that patient becomes important. Or get interested in some person that he must get Realisation: “my mother,” “my father,” “my, my” . And all the time they are talking about it: “my jobs,” “my clothes,” some sort of a ‘my’. And they don’t know how to draw the line. You must know where to draw the line, is maryadas. Otherwise the whole thing will fritter away. You will become a frivolous person. There won’t be any gravity in you. So you must know how far to go with a person when you are dealing as a guru, then you are a master. But if you do not know where to draw the line, you may be crossing the line and getting into his clutches. So the best way to handle the situation is to get into thoughtless awareness, again and again and again and again, and you establish that clearly. Now, some of them complain to me that it’s not an easy thing to do. It’s the easiest thing to do, if you give up all other useless things that you are doing. And then gravity will give you the wisdom to do the right thing at the right time. Ashram is a place where one has to learn to be a guru. But I find it is not always a good experiment for people. Once they have an ashram they take it for granted. They think, “This is the place for us to nicely come and live and some people will work, some will be enjoying. Some will pay some will not pay.” It’s most surprising. You must immediately find out the person who really has the spiritual authority and try to follow that person. And instead of that we try to meet up with people who are of lower spiritual authority. And [if] he sleeps till nine o’clock, everybody sleeps! In an ashram nobody should sleep after six o’clock: is an absolute thing. Absurd! You must sleep early and get up early. Otherwise you can stay outside. You all must get up at six o’clock. Do you know what time your Mother gets up? And what I find: nobody is up here. In India they all get up very early. But I find nobody is up here and my attention is all wasted. And you don’t realise how important all these things are. This is the training time for you. For this you are born, you have been seeking this for ages now. You have got it now, you must discipline yourself. But I have seen in ashramas where people pay a big amount, they get up at six o’clock, 4 o’clock, 3 o’clock. Because in Sahaja Yoga everything has to come from you. This is the style it is. At the most I can ask people who are not all right, to go out for a while, live outside, and then the join ashram. That helps some people. But not more than that; because I am also a Mother though I am a Guru. It is you who should mature yourself. You’ll mature much faster than [if] I force things on you. Finding faults with others but not with yourself. You must have a discipline, a time in the morning to get up, do little a puja or something. At least spend half an hour, all of you together. You should be ready by 6 or 6.30, sit down, do meditation. I have to lay down rules for you now, because you do not want to lay it down. I am also amazed that many people do not know even my aarti, after so many years, by heart. That is what Sahaja Yoga is, because it’s a Mahamaya. So you have to learn it yourself. You have to do it yourself. It’s easy to talk about Sahaja Yoga, very simple: stand up and talk. Because you have heard from your Mother, your talk. But it will have no impression on another person! It will fritter away. Because it must come from your centre of gravity. This is the greatest thing you can do to yourself: is to discipline yourself fully. And compete in disciplining yourself; and make your body all right, your attention correct Attention is corrected by many ways. As I said: watch your attention, where does it go. Now what else are we going to talk but Sahaja Yoga? Is there anything more beautiful or more interesting, more manifesting than Sahaja Yoga is? And what is the job of a guru? Is nothing but to expose the Parabrahma Itself, the whole working of the Divine; that is the job of a guru. To expose the complete working of the Parabrahma is the job of a guru in the modern times, not only raising the Kundalini. But after raising the Kundalini you should be able to tell all about the Divine powers and everything. For that you have to learn, you have to read, you have to understand. Do you understand now the difference between the old gurus and modern gurus? Because they were brought with such tremendous discipline and hardly one or two used to be great gurus. They went through such studies and such interrogations and examination and tests that by the time they were 75 or so they became gurus. But we have to do it quick and the best way is to do it yourself. Perhaps the tradition of the Western countries do not give you much impetus for disciplining. That’s called cutting out yourself perhaps. But a disciplined person is the only one who can be a Sahaj Yogi. Spontaneity works best in a disciplined person. A disciplined person is the one who knows the technique, and the energy is the spontaneity. But a person who is frittered away what will spontaneity do with it? It cannot work it out; the instrument is so horrible. So you discipline yourselves so that others would be disciplined by your behaviour. Once you have disciplined yourself, when you become a guru, you have certain privileges as a master. And it was used as a weapon by many masters before, you need do that. I am just telling you as a side issue — is the temper. All the gurus had tremendous temper. It was expected of the guru. Like I would tell you about Allauddin Khan Sahib who was a great musician, was the master of Ravi Shankar and all these people. And my father was the political advisor to this Maharaja of Maihar. And we went down there, I was there also. That time Ravi Shankar was an artist was playing a little bit here and there. I mean he was quite a good artist still. So his guru had a great respect for my father. He used to treat my father very great reverence. So he was playing something, he was very good at Mridangam. So he played the Mridangam for my father. So in that the tune or the lehara is there, the tune one has to play, the simple tune; just to play the mridangam, to be played on that (as an accompaniment). So my father asked Ravi Shankar to play and he got out of the situation. When his guru went away he came and told my father, “See this one here? The big lump coming out in the head.” He said, “He has broken my sitar on my head this morning because I played one swara, one note, in a wrong way.” This is the gurupad! You know? You cannot take liberties with your guru at all, and at the slightest [mistake] they will take up this and hit you, you see. So people used to be very careful. If they were sitting near the stone. The people would stay away from them. They would throw stones. They’ll keep a chimta, big chimta like this. Anybody coming near them they would hit them. At the slightest thing they gave a chimta to a disciple. It was a long thing, you know, made out of iron and a chimta is a double pronged thing. And they would hit the person, “Tham!” like this. It was the situation before I came in here as your guru. It is difficult to be a guru and a Mother, I cannot do both things together! (laughing) But that was the situation, even those great artist today who are playing great things like you’ll hear now Vilayat Khan Sahib: you go and ask him about his guru, how much time he was beaten up, absolutely beaten up any swara they did wrong was: absolute chastity, absolute discipline. If the guru said, “Five o’clock tomorrow,” even if guru comes or not, five o’clock you have to be there. For any art in the Indian style was like that, complete discipline. Without discipline not even education was imparted: terrible taskmasters. And that’s what they used which you need not here in Sahaja Yoga. There is no need to use temper in Sahaja Yoga because I have not given you, imparted, any knowledge to you with temper. Perhaps there could be hardly anyone who has seen me in a temper. So that is not the way we Sahaja Yogis are going to impart knowledge to others. We have to be very mild and sweet, because in the pattern of your own Guru, because She’s sweet, She’s very mild and She’s very persuasive and kind. In the same way you have to be, because that pattern you haven’t learned. That’s why don’t take to that kind of a pattern where people are in a big temper and they come out with a big temper. It doesn’t behove a Sahaj Yogi to be like that. I mean, they had such tremendous powers also that they could just make somebody into ashes; with such a temper they lived. And they had one guru somewhere like a Rock of Gibraltar, that you face him and you hit your head. At least one or twice you must have a big hitting from him, otherwise he’s not your guru. That was the system. Now we have a great artist sitting here. You must be also remembering his guru, who must have really beaten him nicely before he imparted knowledge. They said, “Without you hit and chisel, you cannot make a good disciple.” And this time we are going to challenge that and to prove that our Mother was extremely kind and still we are chiseled out beautifully, by your own chisel. That’s why I request you to do it yourself because I cannot do it as a Mother. And that’s why it is your responsibility to do it that way. Today is the day where we all have to decide that we are going to be gurus now. I am going to retire as a guru. It’s all right to be a Mother to you people. Now you have to be gurus of other people, and for that you must know what you should achieve. You have all the powers within you, you can manifest them also. But you cannot have a following unless and until you become a guru. This is the only difference [there] is. If you want to have a following then you must chisel out yourself in that fashion that, as soon as people see you, they should say, “Here is [somebody] with that gravity.” I think that should be sufficient for today’s Guru puja. Only thing, the last, most important thing is, that you cannot make a drama out of it. It has to be a reality. By standing like a big, imposing person, you do not become that. On the contrary people will think you are mad. It should be from within that you should develop that dignity within yourself, that poise, that balance, that understanding, within yourself. A kindly poise, a beautiful personality, benevolent. But standing above everyone else by it’s gravity, depth, gentlemanliness, generosity, proper bearing, neatness, cleanliness [and] above all, love: a heart like an ocean, most forgiving. I am sure next year we’ll have some gurus here who have already got some disciples around them. May God bless you.

7/10/1979

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We Are All Seekers

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We Are All Seekers, public programme, Caxton Hall, London, England. 10 July 1979. To see so many new people also here. Those who have come for the first time it is better if they sit in the first line most of them, those who have come for the first time. Come forward. [UNCLEAR]. You have come for the first time? We are all seekers - that is to say, that we all feel that there is some purpose in our life, that we realise that we have not had our fulfillment, that we know that we do not know why God has created us, we also do not for definite if there is a power that is called as God's power, this divine power. It is said that, in all the scriptures, that the divine power permeates into the smallest atoms and pervades all the universes and regulates, coordinates and organizes all the working of this Mother Earth and of human relationships and that is the power of God’s love, divine love. It is too fantastic to believe for a rational mind, you do not see it operating anywhere. It is but natural people do not believe it. But there is something that makes you feel that there is a hand that has organized so many things which we cannot explain how it was organized, why it was organized. For example, we know there is gravity, but we cannot explain why there is gravity, how it is working? Once we realise that there is a little dark in our awareness, that the human awareness has not reached that state where we can really understand ourselves, can we look forward to something. And so far there has been lots of guiding for us through various incarnations, through various prophets and through various gurus and the humanity has come to this level that now we are through our scientific knowledge of psychology and science also have started feeling that there is something like God. But still, all this knowledge is outside and understanding is also outside. Inside we are not sure, is a fact. Some people will say oh I feel nice about it, that's not the way to judge divine power. You can feel nice even going to a pub! Feeling nice is not the way to judge, to judge the divine manifestation. Actually our power of judgement is not yet awakened fully. We are to be reborn. The God who has made us human beings from amoeba - if you call him God alright, otherwise you call nature, whatever you may like to call him- must be having some purpose which we do not know and it is he, his power is going to again give us that evolutionary breakthrough by which we are to know him. Let us say scientifically what have we discovered because scriptures now so many [UNCLEAR] out of [UNCLEAR]. We have discovered in the realm of psychology that there is an universal conscious, a power which is not conscious or which is not in our conscious mind is working out - guidance, harmonizing, informing - about future, about past - in our dreams. This is universal yet unconscious to us, it has not come to our consciousness, it's not in our conscious [UNCLEAR way?]. There are many things even doctors cannot explain, scientifically and many many [UNCLEAR things??]. For example in [UNCLEAR a being?] when two chemicals, which are just chemicals like acetylcholine and adrenaline, when they manifest, their reaction or their mode of conduct is very different in different levels of the being. For example the one that we augment, one of the centres here or the plexus here may relax the other and they cannot explain how a chemical reacts differently in different places and they have been very very honest about it. They say the mode of action of these chemicals in the human beings cannot be explained. They are being very honest. They have noted it down but that they can not explain but explanation is to be found out. As if there is somebody who is managing this show within your different [UNCLEAR plains?]. By moving outwards we have found out science, we have found out psychology, we have found out many things. But there have been people who have been moving inside their attention and trying to find out how are we made, what are we, what is our basic structure, what are the underlying forces that works this human personality. The thing that they have discovered, which is being supported by many scriptures is this which you see here. They say God has created human beings in his own image. He has created you in his own image. So all these things exist in him also as well as in you, the difference is - in him they are the object, while you are reflected. As if there is a mirror within you and you are giving the reflection of the object that is there. These centres are within you and in the course of Sahaja Yoga, we don't have regular courses like as you have in the universities and things like that. I mean to say when you see in these programs, when you watch in these programs you will see that they exits, you can see the pulsation of that residual force which is shown there, which is lying there dormant in three and a half coil, which pulsates. You can see with your naked eyes. This you cannot do. Divine force is that which manifest something that you cannot do. For example you cannot sprout a seed, it sprouts by itself. In the same way you cannot make this force pulsate here in the back. For example you may stand up and dance, you may [UNCLEAR left] your legs, you can stand on your heads, you can do whatever you feel like, but you cannot make some thing pulsate there. That is the divine, spontaneous force of God’s love. You can see with your naked eyes. You can also see the rising of that force on your back. In various people there are atleast approximately 70% people I have seen. It rises within you touching all these subtle centres which are manifesting your plexuses outside, which are gross in nature. And you can see it pulsating here on your head - as Nanaka has said or Kabira has said it - [shunya shikhar par anhad baje]. Anahada - There is sound without percussion you can hear it [lub dub lub dub] here. Here you can feel it and that is the baptism where the Kundalini rises - this force is called as Kundalini - through all these various centres and opens it out and you become - it is an actualization - you become a person who is a self realised person. It is the becoming and the happening, it is not just lecturing or giving you any courses or making you, I would say, slaves of it. You can see for yourself it happening with you. It happens to you and when this happens as described in all the books, specially of Adi Shankaracharya, who has dealt with nothing else but Kundalini Kundalini Kundalini, and with the centres - that there is a flow of Chaitanya Lahari, there is a flow of waves of this divine power - which is cool breeze like as you have read in the Bible - is power of the Holy Ghost is felt like cool breeze. Truth is only one there cannot be divided ideas and opinions about truth - is only one - everyone has said the same thing but maybe the language maybe different, style may be different, explanation may not be that big or small, but all of them have said the same thing. So the flow starts flowing and you become - that, the actualization takes place, this is baptism. The manifestation of your spirit in your heart - you feel it in your conscious mind that is in your central nervous system you start feeling, its flowing. That means you become a hollow personality and through you this cool Breeze starts flowing. This is the force which is the synthesis of all vital energies that exist within us. They are basically in three forms. The one that flows on the left hand side gives us existence. When our heart on the left hand side stops our existence finishes. So the negation of existence is destroying - that's why it is also called as the destructive force. This gives us the emotional side of life. The other one gives us our creativity - by which we create, by which we think. And the centre one is the one by which we have evolved from amoeba to this stage. And all these stages of our evolution, all our path of evolution has got these milestones which demarcate our evolutionary process. Everything that you will do in Sahaja Yoga will be explained to you and you will be able to maneuver all these power yourself and there is no secret in Sahaja Yoga. You will have to know all the deities that are settled on these Chakras, which were like leaders who came down on this earth to lead us into our evolution and they are all very nicely settled down there. And when this force of Kundalini, this three and a half coiled force of residual energy, passes through these centres - it enlightens these centres. By that enlightenment you get physical, emotional and mental enlightenment. That’s how many people get just cured - just cured. We have cured cancer, cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga, there is no other way out - whether you like it or not. You can also cure it. I mean now days I don't cure anyone these people only cure. Mentally you get cured and others can be cured mentally too. Because these are the subtle centres which are supplying our sympathetic nervous system. They give us the energy by which we use our sympathetic nervous system which is manifested by these two forces - the left and right sympathetic nervous system. So the tension that mounts up in your head through the working of these centres - emotional and this side is physical and mental, which collects in your head there like two balloons - through superego - the blue one, and the yellow - the ego. These sympathetic nervous systems get refreshed, fed, nourished, by rising of the Kundalini and both these balloons which are pressing us with tensions are sucked and the Kundalini opens into one thousand petaled Sahasrara - last limbic area centre and pierces the fontanelle bone over here. This part is called, in sanskrit language, as brahmarandhra - means the hole to the Brahma. Brahma is that subtle power which permeates everything. For example in this room their many pictures, you cannot see them; if you put a television you can catch them. In the same way this power exists which you cannot feel unless and until your television is plugged into it. Unless and until you are plugged into the mains you cannot feel it. And which is the cord of this is that three and a half coiled energy is the cord God has placed within you because he wants to use you as his instruments so that the subtle energy should flow through you and you should feel it and you should be able to give it to others. This has happened to many and will be happening to many because the blossom time has come. Many are getting into their head one of enquiries which i can feel clearly that they must have read some books on Kundalini which are frightening and they must be thinking that how it can be that simple - Sahaja. How can that be so spontaneous. It has to be, because it is so important and it is living. After all God has given us these eyes, this nose, everything, without doing anything about it. Our breathing if we have to do it by paying to someone, to some Guru some money, then how many would exist in this world? It has to be spontaneous, easy, available to us because it is evolution. It is effortless; we cannot put in efforts for it. Those who think they can put in effort for their well being are the people - something wrong of them. When you can breathe easily why should you put in any effort for it? Will you do that? But people don't like Sahaja Yoga because it is so spontaneous. They don't want to accept this that it could be so spontaneous. The trouble is after becoming human being we have also developed a silly thing called ego. To say that I am on my own, I can do it on my own - It would be something like one cell in the body saying that I am on my own. We are a part and parcel of the whole. Unless and until you get this connection with the whole you are not going to be satisfied, try anything else. This is your birth-right to have it. God has made you for this, he has poured all his love just to get you there. But like naive children some of you have spoilt - spoilt the instrument. Alright, doesn't matter, even then Sahaja Yoga can take care and it will work out. Sahaja is a word which means Saha Ja - Saha means with, Ja means born - is born with you. All this is born with you and the right to be in union, yoga, with God is also Sahaja - is also born with you, is also spontaneous. You must know that God is all pervading and he is love, and he is almighty, he is not going to allow his own creation to be destroyed - is he? He has created you and he is going to work out your realisation. It is his job - he has to do it. But those who are not authorised by him if they try some tricks like some of them so foolish as to use sex! Imagine! Kundalini is your mother, she is so loving, she is born with you every time you come on this earth. And this mother is to be respected, she is the holy mother. Do you think you can use this nonsense to insult her and then to get your realisation? I can understand in frantic mood somebody might have misunderstood it, possibly is there. But one should think about it. Moreover, how can God who is so compassion, will give you any pain when you are going to do the most beautiful thing is to enter into the kingdom of God. Why should you suffer for it? - is a simple thing. Those who had to suffer have already suffered at your hands, not at the hands of God. Human being have made them suffer, not God. This is a wrong idea you have got about suffering also. How can God make you suffer? What do you think of him? He can't even bear a little pain in you and here you are out to go on destroy yourself. This is a new violence, new type of violence has come into human mind. Now they cannot have wars so they have started beating themselves and destroying themselves. If they cannot [beat or eat??] others they will [beat or eat??] themselves. Is it wisdom? If there is an incarnation, then they will kill that incarnation, torture that incarnation, crucify, give poison, see to it that it is destroyed. And in the name of seeking now they are destroying themselves. It has to be the most beautiful experience for you but you are [UNCLEAR]. I see your Kundalini is wounded, is just breaking her head here and there, with those wounds she is suffering because you have made her suffer. You have to respect yourself and love yourself as your God, the lord, loves you. Only this much is needed, nothing more and then it works out. It has worked out with many and should workout with all of you. You cannot argue about it, for example we had someone the other day who argued with me for three days, I said with argument what can I do, if it does not work out, it does not work out. For she knows everything, she is your tape recorder. She knows everything what you have done in your previous lives, in the earlier lives and all that and she settling down there, she doesn't want to come up, what can I do. I can only pour my love on it, again pour my love, I can work on it but there are some seeds which take more time to sprout and some are just like this that come up. Some are very [UNCLEAR]. But in any case the Kundalini comes up the first time with a big force I think because she recognises that the time has come. But I must warn you with some people it goes down. Because she has to supply energy to the various chakras, various centres, various places. So she comes down, and again supplies energy, cures that person. Supposingly you are suffering some physical pain. Say somebody has a liver trouble, you can see with your naked eyes the Kundalini is going there and you can see the pulsation, you can see at liver point it is working you can see with your naked eyes. She is suggesting that the liver just now need the energy so I am supplying energy there. Then she again goes back, comes up, supplies other parts, nourishes you fully and ultimately she comes and settles down. But with some people once they are realized, they are realized, settle down nicely. Now this is the time which is very very important. Especially with the western mind as it is you see, because in Sahaja Yoga there is complete freedom to doubt. There is no Taboo for you, complete freedom even to argue I mean you are the loser one [UNCLEAR], complete freedom even to doubt it and complete freedom to lose it also. Only with freedom you are going to achieve it. You have to have complete freedom to go into the kingdom of God. So your freedom is respected, you are absolutely free, absolutely free to achieve it or to loose it. I have seen people who have never even been able to talk a word to their gurus here will come and sit on my head and torture me completely for hours together they will be arguing with me. And then they will say why didn't we get it Mother, why didn't we get it. Now how am I to tell you frankly about it? I don't want to hurt them. Again I work on them and again I work on them. Here the people are here and they can tell you day in and day out I have been working. You don't have to work at all in the beginning. You are realised then you can help. But without realisation I don't bother you, I make you sit down comfortably and get it to yourself. Is a question of understanding that this is a gift and it is not selling. Then you will change your attitude. You are not come to a shop, to demand something, but to get a blessing. You are not paying for it and you cannot pay for it. It is an insult to even to think that you can pay for God. Because we have seen throughout now people have been living on this kind of earning like parasite, you cannot believe that somebody says that you cannot pay for it. But those who take money in the name of God are much worse than you people are, they are parasites, they have no self respect. You remember Christ had taken a big whip and whipped these people. What can a Mother do without except for weeping and crying and to say look at this the way they are exploiting my children. It is for you to gain, it is for you to achieve, it is for you to put your wisdom into it and receive it. The time has come do not let it go. It is not ego satisfying by any chance. So many people feel satisfied also if they pay for it - It is a ego satisfaction. Understand it is a very subtle enemy of yours. You cannot pay for it, nor you can work it out. It is a spontaneous thing that will work out within you, it will happen to you and you will be empowered by your own powers. Whatever powers I have what does it matter? You see even if I have say thousands of pounds what does it matter to you unless and until you have something of your own. Why should you be enamoured by my powers, you should ask for your own powers. And you must know that you have a lot of [UNCLEAR] which has to manifest. And you must know the technique behind it, you must know from where it comes and how it works out and you should be able to maneuver it completely in a scientific way. The knowledge of self gives you the knowledge about your own centres and knowledge about everybody else. Because you become collectively conscious, I said become - is not lecturing that you are all brothers and sisters, you are. You are part and parcel of one whole, you are that. This finger is part and parcel of my being in the same way all of you are. But you are not yet conscious about it. That consciousness should be an actualization, should be a happening within you, not only a thought process to think yes we are all one. It is not going to help you. Only after this transformation of happening, where you develop a new dynamic awareness within you, then only all human enterprises, your democracies, your [memocracies], your communism and isms and everything will find a perfect solution. You cannot have perfection with in [UNCLEAR]. You have not found out your own perfections, neither you know your fulfillment. When you know your fulfillment and you become. This has to happen to all of you. I have been giving lectures after lectures, too much of it I think sometimes, and also there is a book Gregore has written on that you can go through it, it has given basics of Sahaja Yoga, is a good book, though it has not yet arrived here. But by reading you cannot understand it, nor can you have any proper knowledge. You have to get it. A great poet in India, Surdas, wrote a huge big piece of poetry called as ‘Sur Sagar’ means the ocean of musical notes and at the end of it he says “Surdas ki sabhi avidya dur karo nandlal’ he says that O Lord, please now remove all the non knowledge I have been describing. Without realisation is all talk talk talk talk talk. They will talk of an abstract God, they will talk about the deities, they will talk about great things like peace and happiness and joy. By talking you are not going to achieve it. It's a mockery of reality. You cannot make a drama out of it. It has to be a reality - really felt within you. I hope I have tried to explain to you in such a manner that too much of thinking you have in your head is little bit [UNCLEAR] and I hope you are ready now to receive the realisation. Let's see how many of you get it. But as I have told that even if you get it, you have to come back to Caxton Hall again to stabilize it - many of you have to do it, I am sorry, but you have to do it. So that you establish it fully and work it out on others and learn it - the technique which was called as the most secret once upon a time, is going to be told to you each and every word and everything that belongs to the God. Is a special gift for you. May God bless you all. Now if you have any questions, sensible ones, please ask. Not to waste anybody else’s time like I read in ‘timbuktu’ something. If you have read something you have not found something. So it is not question of telling me because you see you are unnecessarily pulling into controversies, I do not want to go into that nonsense. [Water – Mother asks for water] There is one more question people are asking which I know - what happens to our karmas? Which is a very common question people have, that we should wash of our karmas otherwise how can we get realization, it is a very difficult thing and we have to clean ourselves out otherwise how will it work out? Who does the Karmas? Do you know that? - is your ego. Animals don't do any karmas and they do not have karma bhogas either. A tiger will eat a cow and will eat well and will give it to it’s children also, without even thinking about it - the karmas. Only the human being accumulate their karmas in this ego that is there. Once the ego is sucked in, if you are not there, then who has done the karmas? How can you wash your karmas when you have not separated from yourself? How can I wash my inner centres when I don't know how to enter into them? And then what good karmas are you doing otherwise also? Actually, as described in the Geeta - that you have to become akarmis - means the karmas become just like the rays of the Sun, they just flow, they just emit, you just see them, you don't feel you are doing it. At the very outset Krishna has said that but then he found Arjuna was a mediocre and so took him round and round and round because he had to play diplomacy. There are human beings, see I have met some of them - very great ones, they are telling me we are cleaning our karma, not only that but they are also saying that we do everything and put at the feet of the Lord. Now this is absurd - you can't just do it that way. Because the ego is intact there - you see. It has not yet come down. So it is only a mental obsession that you think oh we do everything and put at the feet of the Lord. How can we do it? You cannot. Is an absurd condition - this is the diplomacy. Once you realise that this is stupid to think we can do the karmas and put at the feet of the Lord, is a stupidity - then only you will come to reality that you have to become one with him. When he flows through you then you just say it is going and coming. Like this one you see, my sound is passing through it, it is not saying I'm doing it. But supposingly it gets a cap of ego here settle down, it will think that it is doing it. But if the cap is removed then he knows that I am speaking, it is passing through that. That hollowness has to be established. Because that is not established you are thinking that you are doing it. I have given this simile many a times that some people who were going by a plane put all the luggage on their heads and they were asked - why are you doing it? They said we're trying to lighten the weight of the aeroplane. In the same way we are doing something, we are doing nothing. What can we do? As I told you you cannot even sprout one seed. Only whatever is dead you have put up a show - you think - oh you have done it. Only you have changed the forms. You have not done one living thing so far. Enlightened within you - you start living it. It becomes a [naive] experience for you. We should see for ourselves how it happens - because my lecture may become like another scripture which you read in the church, come back home and forget about it. Better have the experience. Experiencing is the main. I hope all of you will get it. Let us see how it works out. You must co-operate. Tell your mind not to think anymore. All the books that you have read so far please keep them behind the doors. You are lost in them completely. You are nowhere to be found. You are a book yourself which you should read. So, any questions [again]? [UNCLEAR] unconsciously too? Karmas, no, karmas are created, you see. Because of I too came a little late you see - I was telling them about these two energies we have got - on the left hand side is our emotional energy and on the right hand side we have got a physical and the mental energy - which manifest our activities. So you see when you go into any activity like that - because human beings have raised their heads like this - see - that centre you see here - vishuddhi - that center is not yet shown connected - but gives rise to these two balloons that are there. They go like this crossed here in the optic thalamus when it crosses, at the optic chaisma as they call it. There it starts accumulating one on the left and one on the right. Now this accumulation creates this one the blue one - as the superego and on the other side is the ego. Say if you have too much of emotional activity, alright, then you get as fumes come out factory, you can say, these fumes accumulated in that balloon there and if there is too much of mental and physical activity then the ego develops like that. Both of them combine here by the age of about say about 2 years or so. This forms a cartilage here. And by the time you are about 12 years of age it becomes absolute calcified. You know that. That's how you get I-ness, you get separated from the whole - you become Mr. X, Mr. Y, Ms. Z. You are all becoming yourselves - in the sense a shell is formed like a egg shell. So a shell is formed around you so that you should grow into your freedom, so that you are a life your wisdom by using it, so that you should know the value of your own being. And then when you are matured enough, just like - in the egg condition as the mother comes and hits the top of the egg, in the same way the Kundalini comes from down there and breaks your centre here. Then the ego and superego which are supposed to be collecting your all the karmas, they are just sucked in. And then you become a hollow person and you start the power flowing through you, you can feel the cool vibration flowing from your hand. Now, who is doing the work here? Because it is a myth which drops of. You have given a myth like a bird takes a little baby bird and hides it somewhere and goes away from that baby bird and starts calling - so that it should fly on its own. In the same way, you have been separated from the whole, so that you become one with the whole and know that you have become one with that in your awareness and that you get the power in your knowledge, in your consciousness. So far all evolution have taken place without your conscious mind coming into play. But now you will know that you are realised and you will know there is a force flowing. So when it will be flowing you will just say mother it is going it is coming. You will not say I'm giving it or I am doing it. The language changes, the priorities change, everything change. You already got it. Close your eyes, just close. Put your hands, just put. Close your eyes, put it on your lap, put it on your [UNCLEAR]. Have been to some course or something before? Have you been to any other course? Huh? No, no, I have no courses. You have been to some other course? Huh? Which was - Hath Yoga? That's why little problem, but doesn't matter. It is such an imbalance thing - hath yoga, this western hath yoga is. You did patanjali. What I am saying - why not read the thing, it is in english language, translate it. This is a something they have started just to create some actors and actress. It is not to be done by householders, it is not to be done after the age of 20 years. There are ashtangas - 8 things are to be done simultaneously. But these people I tell you are mad who are teaching. It catches on the heart, we have some of them - there is one sitting who has done hath yoga. But it's alright, it will work out, alright! If you are paying actually so much attention to your body is not important, It's the spirit, your heart, it gets upset, angry when it sees that people are paying so much attention to their bodies. Body is a servant of the spirit. And it is happiest when it works for the spirit. Right - It will be alright. You have to draw the balance, it will work out. It is working out already. Oh we have many hath yogis who came here from hath yoga. We have from all sorts of places- All sorts of combinations and permutations I have worked out. But you have to be wise people. You have to understand wisdom. Otherwise Sahaja Yoga is not meant for lousy people. Wisdom is the main thing you must have. There is a saying in Marathi language - said by a very great saint in Maharashtra [UNCLEAR in marathi] - It is not the work of the lousy, of the people who are superficial or superfluous. That's why you must see that it works on many in a very good way, but people have to also later on maintain the balance. This is what you are seeking. Now all of you take out your shoes, would be better idea. Please take out your shoes and be comfortable. I mean if you are tight anywhere, here on the thing, too much tightness on naval point will not be good. Just if you are tight - if you are not, if you are comfortable is alright. And just put your hands just like that. Take out your shoes, and if they are tight, tight here, also sometimes - it's not so outwards but sometimes it does. Or anything tight you are wearing. Just put your hands. Just simply [UNCLEAR]. Now you can see there I have shown the different centres which are within you, which are expressed on your fingers - left and right sympathetic nervous systems. When they get enlightened inside, outside you start feeling. And through your centres you can feel others also. Just by putting hands like this. If you can close your eyes then please close. Some of you might get flickering of the eyelid then please open the eyes. In case you can easily close the eyes without any difficulty then please close it. Because when the Kundalini is rising through the optic chaisma it dilates the pupils. Now you should watch your thoughts - watch your mind. Just ask your mind what are you thinking. Just watch. Don't have to do anything. Sit comfortably with both the feet touching the ground, with both the hands towards we, very comfortably placed. Be comfortable. You should not be awkward nor you should feel pain anywhere in the body. And just watch your mind. See what are you thinking, are you getting any thoughts. You are quite aware, fully aware - but are you getting any thoughts from anywhere? Watch - are you getting any thoughts? You can't close your eyes? Are you getting cool breeze in your hand? [Nobody as yet?] I think foreheads must be opened out a little, on the foreheads if they are covered on the forehead if it is covered, may be just clear out your forehead is important. Just clear out this place. Thank you. Thank you all of you. Just clear out. Thank you. Thank you. Now the kundalini in most of you is stopping at the Agnya that means you have to forgive others. Just go on saying that - I forgive - inside your heart. Just say I forgive. It is the greatest weapon you have got. After saying that you have to also ask for forgiveness because you have put your attention to something or somethings too much and less to your spirit. So you have to ask for forgiveness of that. And they say humble down in your heart. Please pay attention to yourself and not to others, please. Now the time has come to pay the attention to yourself and not to others. Close your eyes. Feeling any cool breeze in hands, then don't open your eyes, just for a while just [UNCLEAR]. [UNCLEAR] Open your eyes [UNCLEAR]. Alright, it will work out [UNCLEAR]. Have you got it cool breeze in your hand? Feeling nice and relaxed [UNCLEAR] cool breeze in the hand have u felt it? Not yet. Slightly yes, just do it, keep your eyes [UNCLEAR] these eyes are so dilated, just keep your eyes closed. Alright, everybody is going to. Are you feeling it now? [UNCLEAR] yes it's good. [UNCLEAR] it's alright. I will work it out. [UNCLEAR] No shaking nothing [UNCLEAR] just tell yourself I will not going to show off and it will work out you will be amazed. That’s all no shaking nothing [UNCLEAR] it will just work out in you. Just tell yourself I am not going to show off. [UNCLEAR] [aham?] sakshat narkasur mardini [aham?] sakshat narkasur mardini [aham?] sakshat narkasur mardini; [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi; [aham?] sakshat moksha dayini [aham?] sakshat moksha dayini [aham?] sakshat moksha dayini; [aham?] sakshat Sahasrar swamini [aham?] sakshat Sahasrar swamini [aham?] sakshat Sahasrar swamini; [aham?] sakshat nirmalam [aham?] sakshat nirmalam [aham?] sakshat nirmalam All those who are feeling cool breeze in their hands, all of them - please raise your hands, all those - good, it's good, raise your hands also, all of you those who are feeling cool breeze raise your hands. All those who are feeling cool breeze again raise your hands high. [UNCLEAR] raise your hands. Sahaja Yogis have to raise your hands - i mean [UNCLEAR] saying about Sahaja Yogis also. It’s good. Aren’t you feeling cool breeze? You are feeling - yes I could feel that. He too - is he not feeling? Huh? You are feeling what - pressure? But not yet cool? It will cool down - alright. Alright, please put down your hands. He has got it. [We have got it both of the]. What about you? Did you feel the cool breeze also? Slightly. Alright put the hand like this straight. Alright, just straight - as if your are asking you know like this. Put it on your lap if you want to. Alright, those who have come for the first time and have not felt the cool breeze and have not been to any guru please raise your hands. You have not been to any guru? You have not been to any guru before? No, no, I am saying the gentleman - you have not been to anyone - to no one at all? Alright. Who else, you have not been to any guru? To spiritualists? That's the same thing. All is black magic it's just the same. Alright, put your hands like this. Now you have not been to any spiritualist sure? Never been. Alright. Who else is like that. Now Douglas you see him, it's easy for him. He has to take him out. You just come out that side he will see your vibrations may be little here and there may be. Just sit down there he will work it out. Alright let's sort it out. To that - there there.

We Are All Seekers, public programme, Caxton Hall, London, England. 10 July 1979. To see so many new people also here. Those who have come for the first time it is better if they sit in the first line most of them, those who have come for the first time. Come forward. [UNCLEAR]. You have come for the first time? We are all seekers - that is to say, that we all feel that there is some purpose in our life, that we realise that we have not had our fulfillment, that we know that we do not know why God has created us, we also do not for definite if there is a power that is called as God's power, this divine power. It is said that, in all the scriptures, that the divine power permeates into the smallest atoms and pervades all the universes and regulates, coordinates and organizes all the working of this Mother Earth and of human relationships and that is the power of God’s love, divine love. It is too fantastic to believe for a rational mind, you do not see it operating anywhere. It is but natural people do not believe it. But there is something that makes you feel that there is a hand that has organized so many things which we cannot explain how it was organized, why it was organized. For example, we know there is gravity, but we cannot explain why there is gravity, how it is working? Once we realise that there is a little dark in our awareness, that the human awareness has not reached that state where we can really understand ourselves, can we look forward to something. And so far there has been lots of guiding for us through various incarnations, through various prophets and through various gurus and the humanity has come to this level that now we are through our scientific knowledge of psychology and science also have started feeling that there is something like God. But still, all this knowledge is outside and understanding is also outside. Inside we are not sure, is a fact. Some people will say oh I feel nice about it, that's not the way to judge divine power. You can feel nice even going to a pub! Feeling nice is not the way to judge, to judge the divine manifestation. Actually our power of judgement is not yet awakened fully. We are to be reborn. The God who has made us human beings from amoeba - if you call him God alright, otherwise you call nature, whatever you may like to call him- must be having some purpose which we do not know and it is he, his power is going to again give us that evolutionary breakthrough by which we are to know him. Let us say scientifically what have we discovered because scriptures now so many [UNCLEAR] out of [UNCLEAR]. We have discovered in the realm of psychology that there is an universal conscious, a power which is not conscious or which is not in our conscious mind is working out - guidance, harmonizing, informing - about future, about past - in our dreams. This is universal yet unconscious to us, it has not come to our consciousness, it's not in our conscious [UNCLEAR way?]. There are many things even doctors cannot explain, scientifically and many many [UNCLEAR things??]. For example in [UNCLEAR a being?] when two chemicals, which are just chemicals like acetylcholine and adrenaline, when they manifest, their reaction or their mode of conduct is very different in different levels of the being. For example the one that we augment, one of the centres here or the plexus here may relax the other and they cannot explain how a chemical reacts differently in different places and they have been very very honest about it. They say the mode of action of these chemicals in the human beings cannot be explained. They are being very honest. They have noted it down but that they can not explain but explanation is to be found out. As if there is somebody who is managing this show within your different [UNCLEAR plains?]. By moving outwards we have found out science, we have found out psychology, we have found out many things. But there have been people who have been moving inside their attention and trying to find out how are we made, what are we, what is our basic structure, what are the underlying forces that works this human personality. The thing that they have discovered, which is being supported by many scriptures is this which you see here. They say God has created human beings in his own image. He has created you in his own image. So all these things exist in him also as well as in you, the difference is - in him they are the object, while you are reflected. As if there is a mirror within you and you are giving the reflection of the object that is there. These centres are within you and in the course of Sahaja Yoga, we don't have regular courses like as you have in the universities and things like that. I mean to say when you see in these programs, when you watch in these programs you will see that they exits, you can see the pulsation of that residual force which is shown there, which is lying there dormant in three and a half coil, which pulsates. You can see with your naked eyes. This you cannot do. Divine force is that which manifest something that you cannot do. For example you cannot sprout a seed, it sprouts by itself. In the same way you cannot make this force pulsate here in the back. For example you may stand up and dance, you may [UNCLEAR left] your legs, you can stand on your heads, you can do whatever you feel like, but you cannot make some thing pulsate there. That is the divine, spontaneous force of God’s love. You can see with your naked eyes. You can also see the rising of that force on your back. In various people there are atleast approximately 70% people I have seen. It rises within you touching all these subtle centres which are manifesting your plexuses outside, which are gross in nature. And you can see it pulsating here on your head - as Nanaka has said or Kabira has said it - [shunya shikhar par anhad baje]. Anahada - There is sound without percussion you can hear it [lub dub lub dub] here. Here you can feel it and that is the baptism where the Kundalini rises - this force is called as Kundalini - through all these various centres and opens it out and you become - it is an actualization - you become a person who is a self realised person. It is the becoming and the happening, it is not just lecturing or giving you any courses or making you, I would say, slaves of it. You can see for yourself it happening with you. It happens to you and when this happens as described in all the books, specially of Adi Shankaracharya, who has dealt with nothing else but Kundalini Kundalini Kundalini, and with the centres - that there is a flow of Chaitanya Lahari, there is a flow of waves of this divine power - which is cool breeze like as you have read in the Bible - is power of the Holy Ghost is felt like cool breeze. Truth is only one there cannot be divided ideas and opinions about truth - is only one - everyone has said the same thing but maybe the language maybe different, style may be different, explanation may not be that big or small, but all of them have said the same thing. So the flow starts flowing and you become - that, the actualization takes place, this is baptism. The manifestation of your spirit in your heart - you feel it in your conscious mind that is in your central nervous system you start feeling, its flowing. That means you become a hollow personality and through you this cool Breeze starts flowing. This is the force which is the synthesis of all vital energies that exist within us. They are basically in three forms. The one that flows on the left hand side gives us existence. When our heart on the left hand side stops our existence finishes. So the negation of existence is destroying - that's why it is also called as the destructive force. This gives us the emotional side of life. The other one gives us our creativity - by which we create, by which we think. And the centre one is the one by which we have evolved from amoeba to this stage. And all these stages of our evolution, all our path of evolution has got these milestones which demarcate our evolutionary process. Everything that you will do in Sahaja Yoga will be explained to you and you will be able to maneuver all these power yourself and there is no secret in Sahaja Yoga. You will have to know all the deities that are settled on these Chakras, which were like leaders who came down on this earth to lead us into our evolution and they are all very nicely settled down there. And when this force of Kundalini, this three and a half coiled force of residual energy, passes through these centres - it enlightens these centres. By that enlightenment you get physical, emotional and mental enlightenment. That’s how many people get just cured - just cured. We have cured cancer, cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga, there is no other way out - whether you like it or not. You can also cure it. I mean now days I don't cure anyone these people only cure. Mentally you get cured and others can be cured mentally too. Because these are the subtle centres which are supplying our sympathetic nervous system. They give us the energy by which we use our sympathetic nervous system which is manifested by these two forces - the left and right sympathetic nervous system. So the tension that mounts up in your head through the working of these centres - emotional and this side is physical and mental, which collects in your head there like two balloons - through superego - the blue one, and the yellow - the ego. These sympathetic nervous systems get refreshed, fed, nourished, by rising of the Kundalini and both these balloons which are pressing us with tensions are sucked and the Kundalini opens into one thousand petaled Sahasrara - last limbic area centre and pierces the fontanelle bone over here. This part is called, in sanskrit language, as brahmarandhra - means the hole to the Brahma. Brahma is that subtle power which permeates everything. For example in this room their many pictures, you cannot see them; if you put a television you can catch them. In the same way this power exists which you cannot feel unless and until your television is plugged into it. Unless and until you are plugged into the mains you cannot feel it. And which is the cord of this is that three and a half coiled energy is the cord God has placed within you because he wants to use you as his instruments so that the subtle energy should flow through you and you should feel it and you should be able to give it to others. This has happened to many and will be happening to many because the blossom time has come. Many are getting into their head one of enquiries which i can feel clearly that they must have read some books on Kundalini which are frightening and they must be thinking that how it can be that simple - Sahaja. How can that be so spontaneous. It has to be, because it is so important and it is living. After all God has given us these eyes, this nose, everything, without doing anything about it. Our breathing if we have to do it by paying to someone, to some Guru some money, then how many would exist in this world? It has to be spontaneous, easy, available to us because it is evolution. It is effortless; we cannot put in efforts for it. Those who think they can put in effort for their well being are the people - something wrong of them. When you can breathe easily why should you put in any effort for it? Will you do that? But people don't like Sahaja Yoga because it is so spontaneous. They don't want to accept this that it could be so spontaneous. The trouble is after becoming human being we have also developed a silly thing called ego. To say that I am on my own, I can do it on my own - It would be something like one cell in the body saying that I am on my own. We are a part and parcel of the whole. Unless and until you get this connection with the whole you are not going to be satisfied, try anything else. This is your birth-right to have it. God has made you for this, he has poured all his love just to get you there. But like naive children some of you have spoilt - spoilt the instrument. Alright, doesn't matter, even then Sahaja Yoga can take care and it will work out. Sahaja is a word which means Saha Ja - Saha means with, Ja means born - is born with you. All this is born with you and the right to be in union, yoga, with God is also Sahaja - is also born with you, is also spontaneous. You must know that God is all pervading and he is love, and he is almighty, he is not going to allow his own creation to be destroyed - is he? He has created you and he is going to work out your realisation. It is his job - he has to do it. But those who are not authorised by him if they try some tricks like some of them so foolish as to use sex! Imagine! Kundalini is your mother, she is so loving, she is born with you every time you come on this earth. And this mother is to be respected, she is the holy mother. Do you think you can use this nonsense to insult her and then to get your realisation? I can understand in frantic mood somebody might have misunderstood it, possibly is there. But one should think about it. Moreover, how can God who is so compassion, will give you any pain when you are going to do the most beautiful thing is to enter into the kingdom of God. Why should you suffer for it? - is a simple thing. Those who had to suffer have already suffered at your hands, not at the hands of God. Human being have made them suffer, not God. This is a wrong idea you have got about suffering also. How can God make you suffer? What do you think of him? He can't even bear a little pain in you and here you are out to go on destroy yourself. This is a new violence, new type of violence has come into human mind. Now they cannot have wars so they have started beating themselves and destroying themselves. If they cannot [beat or eat??] others they will [beat or eat??] themselves. Is it wisdom? If there is an incarnation, then they will kill that incarnation, torture that incarnation, crucify, give poison, see to it that it is destroyed. And in the name of seeking now they are destroying themselves. It has to be the most beautiful experience for you but you are [UNCLEAR]. I see your Kundalini is wounded, is just breaking her head here and there, with those wounds she is suffering because you have made her suffer. You have to respect yourself and love yourself as your God, the lord, loves you. Only this much is needed, nothing more and then it works out. It has worked out with many and should workout with all of you. You cannot argue about it, for example we had someone the other day who argued with me for three days, I said with argument what can I do, if it does not work out, it does not work out. For she knows everything, she is your tape recorder. She knows everything what you have done in your previous lives, in the earlier lives and all that and she settling down there, she doesn't want to come up, what can I do. I can only pour my love on it, again pour my love, I can work on it but there are some seeds which take more time to sprout and some are just like this that come up. Some are very [UNCLEAR]. But in any case the Kundalini comes up the first time with a big force I think because she recognises that the time has come. But I must warn you with some people it goes down. Because she has to supply energy to the various chakras, various centres, various places. So she comes down, and again supplies energy, cures that person. Supposingly you are suffering some physical pain. Say somebody has a liver trouble, you can see with your naked eyes the Kundalini is going there and you can see the pulsation, you can see at liver point it is working you can see with your naked eyes. She is suggesting that the liver just now need the energy so I am supplying energy there. Then she again goes back, comes up, supplies other parts, nourishes you fully and ultimately she comes and settles down. But with some people once they are realized, they are realized, settle down nicely. Now this is the time which is very very important. Especially with the western mind as it is you see, because in Sahaja Yoga there is complete freedom to doubt. There is no Taboo for you, complete freedom even to argue I mean you are the loser one [UNCLEAR], complete freedom even to doubt it and complete freedom to lose it also. Only with freedom you are going to achieve it. You have to have complete freedom to go into the kingdom of God. So your freedom is respected, you are absolutely free, absolutely free to achieve it or to loose it. I have seen people who have never even been able to talk a word to their gurus here will come and sit on my head and torture me completely for hours together they will be arguing with me. And then they will say why didn't we get it Mother, why didn't we get it. Now how am I to tell you frankly about it? I don't want to hurt them. Again I work on them and again I work on them. Here the people are here and they can tell you day in and day out I have been working. You don't have to work at all in the beginning. You are realised then you can help. But without realisation I don't bother you, I make you sit down comfortably and get it to yourself. Is a question of understanding that this is a gift and it is not selling. Then you will change your attitude. You are not come to a shop, to demand something, but to get a blessing. You are not paying for it and you cannot pay for it. It is an insult to even to think that you can pay for God. Because we have seen throughout now people have been living on this kind of earning like parasite, you cannot believe that somebody says that you cannot pay for it. But those who take money in the name of God are much worse than you people are, they are parasites, they have no self respect. You remember Christ had taken a big whip and whipped these people. What can a Mother do without except for weeping and crying and to say look at this the way they are exploiting my children. It is for you to gain, it is for you to achieve, it is for you to put your wisdom into it and receive it. The time has come do not let it go. It is not ego satisfying by any chance. So many people feel satisfied also if they pay for it - It is a ego satisfaction. Understand it is a very subtle enemy of yours. You cannot pay for it, nor you can work it out. It is a spontaneous thing that will work out within you, it will happen to you and you will be empowered by your own powers. Whatever powers I have what does it matter? You see even if I have say thousands of pounds what does it matter to you unless and until you have something of your own. Why should you be enamoured by my powers, you should ask for your own powers. And you must know that you have a lot of [UNCLEAR] which has to manifest. And you must know the technique behind it, you must know from where it comes and how it works out and you should be able to maneuver it completely in a scientific way. The knowledge of self gives you the knowledge about your own centres and knowledge about everybody else. Because you become collectively conscious, I said become - is not lecturing that you are all brothers and sisters, you are. You are part and parcel of one whole, you are that. This finger is part and parcel of my being in the same way all of you are. But you are not yet conscious about it. That consciousness should be an actualization, should be a happening within you, not only a thought process to think yes we are all one. It is not going to help you. Only after this transformation of happening, where you develop a new dynamic awareness within you, then only all human enterprises, your democracies, your [memocracies], your communism and isms and everything will find a perfect solution. You cannot have perfection with in [UNCLEAR]. You have not found out your own perfections, neither you know your fulfillment. When you know your fulfillment and you become. This has to happen to all of you. I have been giving lectures after lectures, too much of it I think sometimes, and also there is a book Gregore has written on that you can go through it, it has given basics of Sahaja Yoga, is a good book, though it has not yet arrived here. But by reading you cannot understand it, nor can you have any proper knowledge. You have to get it. A great poet in India, Surdas, wrote a huge big piece of poetry called as ‘Sur Sagar’ means the ocean of musical notes and at the end of it he says “Surdas ki sabhi avidya dur karo nandlal’ he says that O Lord, please now remove all the non knowledge I have been describing. Without realisation is all talk talk talk talk talk. They will talk of an abstract God, they will talk about the deities, they will talk about great things like peace and happiness and joy. By talking you are not going to achieve it. It's a mockery of reality. You cannot make a drama out of it. It has to be a reality - really felt within you. I hope I have tried to explain to you in such a manner that too much of thinking you have in your head is little bit [UNCLEAR] and I hope you are ready now to receive the realisation. Let's see how many of you get it. But as I have told that even if you get it, you have to come back to Caxton Hall again to stabilize it - many of you have to do it, I am sorry, but you have to do it. So that you establish it fully and work it out on others and learn it - the technique which was called as the most secret once upon a time, is going to be told to you each and every word and everything that belongs to the God. Is a special gift for you. May God bless you all. Now if you have any questions, sensible ones, please ask. Not to waste anybody else’s time like I read in ‘timbuktu’ something. If you have read something you have not found something. So it is not question of telling me because you see you are unnecessarily pulling into controversies, I do not want to go into that nonsense. [Water – Mother asks for water] There is one more question people are asking which I know - what happens to our karmas? Which is a very common question people have, that we should wash of our karmas otherwise how can we get realization, it is a very difficult thing and we have to clean ourselves out otherwise how will it work out? Who does the Karmas? Do you know that? - is your ego. Animals don't do any karmas and they do not have karma bhogas either. A tiger will eat a cow and will eat well and will give it to it’s children also, without even thinking about it - the karmas. Only the human being accumulate their karmas in this ego that is there. Once the ego is sucked in, if you are not there, then who has done the karmas? How can you wash your karmas when you have not separated from yourself? How can I wash my inner centres when I don't know how to enter into them? And then what good karmas are you doing otherwise also? Actually, as described in the Geeta - that you have to become akarmis - means the karmas become just like the rays of the Sun, they just flow, they just emit, you just see them, you don't feel you are doing it. At the very outset Krishna has said that but then he found Arjuna was a mediocre and so took him round and round and round because he had to play diplomacy. There are human beings, see I have met some of them - very great ones, they are telling me we are cleaning our karma, not only that but they are also saying that we do everything and put at the feet of the Lord. Now this is absurd - you can't just do it that way. Because the ego is intact there - you see. It has not yet come down. So it is only a mental obsession that you think oh we do everything and put at the feet of the Lord. How can we do it? You cannot. Is an absurd condition - this is the diplomacy. Once you realise that this is stupid to think we can do the karmas and put at the feet of the Lord, is a stupidity - then only you will come to reality that you have to become one with him. When he flows through you then you just say it is going and coming. Like this one you see, my sound is passing through it, it is not saying I'm doing it. But supposingly it gets a cap of ego here settle down, it will think that it is doing it. But if the cap is removed then he knows that I am speaking, it is passing through that. That hollowness has to be established. Because that is not established you are thinking that you are doing it. I have given this simile many a times that some people who were going by a plane put all the luggage on their heads and they were asked - why are you doing it? They said we're trying to lighten the weight of the aeroplane. In the same way we are doing something, we are doing nothing. What can we do? As I told you you cannot even sprout one seed. Only whatever is dead you have put up a show - you think - oh you have done it. Only you have changed the forms. You have not done one living thing so far. Enlightened within you - you start living it. It becomes a [naive] experience for you. We should see for ourselves how it happens - because my lecture may become like another scripture which you read in the church, come back home and forget about it. Better have the experience. Experiencing is the main. I hope all of you will get it. Let us see how it works out. You must co-operate. Tell your mind not to think anymore. All the books that you have read so far please keep them behind the doors. You are lost in them completely. You are nowhere to be found. You are a book yourself which you should read. So, any questions [again]? [UNCLEAR] unconsciously too? Karmas, no, karmas are created, you see. Because of I too came a little late you see - I was telling them about these two energies we have got - on the left hand side is our emotional energy and on the right hand side we have got a physical and the mental energy - which manifest our activities. So you see when you go into any activity like that - because human beings have raised their heads like this - see - that centre you see here - vishuddhi - that center is not yet shown connected - but gives rise to these two balloons that are there. They go like this crossed here in the optic thalamus when it crosses, at the optic chaisma as they call it. There it starts accumulating one on the left and one on the right. Now this accumulation creates this one the blue one - as the superego and on the other side is the ego. Say if you have too much of emotional activity, alright, then you get as fumes come out factory, you can say, these fumes accumulated in that balloon there and if there is too much of mental and physical activity then the ego develops like that. Both of them combine here by the age of about say about 2 years or so. This forms a cartilage here. And by the time you are about 12 years of age it becomes absolute calcified. You know that. That's how you get I-ness, you get separated from the whole - you become Mr. X, Mr. Y, Ms. Z. You are all becoming yourselves - in the sense a shell is formed like a egg shell. So a shell is formed around you so that you should grow into your freedom, so that you are a life your wisdom by using it, so that you should know the value of your own being. And then when you are matured enough, just like - in the egg condition as the mother comes and hits the top of the egg, in the same way the Kundalini comes from down there and breaks your centre here. Then the ego and superego which are supposed to be collecting your all the karmas, they are just sucked in. And then you become a hollow person and you start the power flowing through you, you can feel the cool vibration flowing from your hand. Now, who is doing the work here? Because it is a myth which drops of. You have given a myth like a bird takes a little baby bird and hides it somewhere and goes away from that baby bird and starts calling - so that it should fly on its own. In the same way, you have been separated from the whole, so that you become one with the whole and know that you have become one with that in your awareness and that you get the power in your knowledge, in your consciousness. So far all evolution have taken place without your conscious mind coming into play. But now you will know that you are realised and you will know there is a force flowing. So when it will be flowing you will just say mother it is going it is coming. You will not say I'm giving it or I am doing it. The language changes, the priorities change, everything change. You already got it. Close your eyes, just close. Put your hands, just put. Close your eyes, put it on your lap, put it on your [UNCLEAR]. Have been to some course or something before? Have you been to any other course? Huh? No, no, I have no courses. You have been to some other course? Huh? Which was - Hath Yoga? That's why little problem, but doesn't matter. It is such an imbalance thing - hath yoga, this western hath yoga is. You did patanjali. What I am saying - why not read the thing, it is in english language, translate it. This is a something they have started just to create some actors and actress. It is not to be done by householders, it is not to be done after the age of 20 years. There are ashtangas - 8 things are to be done simultaneously. But these people I tell you are mad who are teaching. It catches on the heart, we have some of them - there is one sitting who has done hath yoga. But it's alright, it will work out, alright! If you are paying actually so much attention to your body is not important, It's the spirit, your heart, it gets upset, angry when it sees that people are paying so much attention to their bodies. Body is a servant of the spirit. And it is happiest when it works for the spirit. Right - It will be alright. You have to draw the balance, it will work out. It is working out already. Oh we have many hath yogis who came here from hath yoga. We have from all sorts of places- All sorts of combinations and permutations I have worked out. But you have to be wise people. You have to understand wisdom. Otherwise Sahaja Yoga is not meant for lousy people. Wisdom is the main thing you must have. There is a saying in Marathi language - said by a very great saint in Maharashtra [UNCLEAR in marathi] - It is not the work of the lousy, of the people who are superficial or superfluous. That's why you must see that it works on many in a very good way, but people have to also later on maintain the balance. This is what you are seeking. Now all of you take out your shoes, would be better idea. Please take out your shoes and be comfortable. I mean if you are tight anywhere, here on the thing, too much tightness on naval point will not be good. Just if you are tight - if you are not, if you are comfortable is alright. And just put your hands just like that. Take out your shoes, and if they are tight, tight here, also sometimes - it's not so outwards but sometimes it does. Or anything tight you are wearing. Just put your hands. Just simply [UNCLEAR]. Now you can see there I have shown the different centres which are within you, which are expressed on your fingers - left and right sympathetic nervous systems. When they get enlightened inside, outside you start feeling. And through your centres you can feel others also. Just by putting hands like this. If you can close your eyes then please close. Some of you might get flickering of the eyelid then please open the eyes. In case you can easily close the eyes without any difficulty then please close it. Because when the Kundalini is rising through the optic chaisma it dilates the pupils. Now you should watch your thoughts - watch your mind. Just ask your mind what are you thinking. Just watch. Don't have to do anything. Sit comfortably with both the feet touching the ground, with both the hands towards we, very comfortably placed. Be comfortable. You should not be awkward nor you should feel pain anywhere in the body. And just watch your mind. See what are you thinking, are you getting any thoughts. You are quite aware, fully aware - but are you getting any thoughts from anywhere? Watch - are you getting any thoughts? You can't close your eyes? Are you getting cool breeze in your hand? [Nobody as yet?] I think foreheads must be opened out a little, on the foreheads if they are covered on the forehead if it is covered, may be just clear out your forehead is important. Just clear out this place. Thank you. Thank you all of you. Just clear out. Thank you. Thank you. Now the kundalini in most of you is stopping at the Agnya that means you have to forgive others. Just go on saying that - I forgive - inside your heart. Just say I forgive. It is the greatest weapon you have got. After saying that you have to also ask for forgiveness because you have put your attention to something or somethings too much and less to your spirit. So you have to ask for forgiveness of that. And they say humble down in your heart. Please pay attention to yourself and not to others, please. Now the time has come to pay the attention to yourself and not to others. Close your eyes. Feeling any cool breeze in hands, then don't open your eyes, just for a while just [UNCLEAR]. [UNCLEAR] Open your eyes [UNCLEAR]. Alright, it will work out [UNCLEAR]. Have you got it cool breeze in your hand? Feeling nice and relaxed [UNCLEAR] cool breeze in the hand have u felt it? Not yet. Slightly yes, just do it, keep your eyes [UNCLEAR] these eyes are so dilated, just keep your eyes closed. Alright, everybody is going to. Are you feeling it now? [UNCLEAR] yes it's good. [UNCLEAR] it's alright. I will work it out. [UNCLEAR] No shaking nothing [UNCLEAR] just tell yourself I will not going to show off and it will work out you will be amazed. That’s all no shaking nothing [UNCLEAR] it will just work out in you. Just tell yourself I am not going to show off. [UNCLEAR] [aham?] sakshat narkasur mardini [aham?] sakshat narkasur mardini [aham?] sakshat narkasur mardini; [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi [aham?] sakshat sarva mantra siddhi; [aham?] sakshat moksha dayini [aham?] sakshat moksha dayini [aham?] sakshat moksha dayini; [aham?] sakshat Sahasrar swamini [aham?] sakshat Sahasrar swamini [aham?] sakshat Sahasrar swamini; [aham?] sakshat nirmalam [aham?] sakshat nirmalam [aham?] sakshat nirmalam All those who are feeling cool breeze in their hands, all of them - please raise your hands, all those - good, it's good, raise your hands also, all of you those who are feeling cool breeze raise your hands. All those who are feeling cool breeze again raise your hands high. [UNCLEAR] raise your hands. Sahaja Yogis have to raise your hands - i mean [UNCLEAR] saying about Sahaja Yogis also. It’s good. Aren’t you feeling cool breeze? You are feeling - yes I could feel that. He too - is he not feeling? Huh? You are feeling what - pressure? But not yet cool? It will cool down - alright. Alright, please put down your hands. He has got it. [We have got it both of the]. What about you? Did you feel the cool breeze also? Slightly. Alright put the hand like this straight. Alright, just straight - as if your are asking you know like this. Put it on your lap if you want to. Alright, those who have come for the first time and have not felt the cool breeze and have not been to any guru please raise your hands. You have not been to any guru? You have not been to any guru before? No, no, I am saying the gentleman - you have not been to anyone - to no one at all? Alright. Who else, you have not been to any guru? To spiritualists? That's the same thing. All is black magic it's just the same. Alright, put your hands like this. Now you have not been to any spiritualist sure? Never been. Alright. Who else is like that. Now Douglas you see him, it's easy for him. He has to take him out. You just come out that side he will see your vibrations may be little here and there may be. Just sit down there he will work it out. Alright let's sort it out. To that - there there.

7/16/1979

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How truthful are we about seeking?

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How truthful are we about seeking?, public programme, Caxton Hall, London, England. 16 July 1979. The other day I told you about the instrument that we have already within ourselves, for us to have our own Self-knowledge, which is an actualisation, which is an experience, which is a happening by which we become That. It is the becoming, it is not any brain washing or sermoning but it's a becoming I'm talking about. When we say, we are the seekers of Truth, how truthful are we about this seeking? This is one point we should try to understand. Are we really, genuinely seeking? Are we genuine about it, or we are doing it because it's nice to say that we are seeking the Truth? If you have to seek something genuine, you have to be truthful yourself. This is one of the greatest hurdles in Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is a system by which you jump into the Truth itself. You become the Truth, you don't see the Truth, you don't understand the Truth, but you become the Truth. It is most amazing thing that human beings don't understand what to expect out of Truth. They are seeking Truth but they have no conception about the absolute value of Truth. Truth, we cannot compromise. It doesn't have two sides: like you have day and night, you have right and wrong. It's absolute! There is no compromise about it. For example, as the other day I told you that when you get your realisation, you start feeling the cool vibrations flowing from your hand. And these cool vibrations are the indication that the Divine power has started flowing through you. Now, these vibrations that you have are flowing through you like a cool breeze, are absolutely genuine, they are much more genuine than genuineness, because human beings always have relative idea of genuineness. For example, say, if you take carbon atom- it can be placed in any way, it has got four valencies, but it can be placed any way in a molecule. You can change the form of it, but still, if you go to the details of it, the carbon will remain carbon. And a hydrogen will remain hydrogen, in its basic structure. So, the Truth that is the basic thing, cannot change. You cannot mould it, you cannot befool it, you cannot act it. When these vibrations are flowing from you, if there are no vibrations then you are not there. Nobody can say that you are there, that you are a realised soul because you are carrying a big horn on your head. You may carry any signs and signatures saying that you are a great person, you have so many following and there are so many people running mad after you. But still you are not a realised soul and you are not. Even if you are crucified and you are a realised soul you can feel it that this one, the one whom we have crucified, is the one who is emitting vibrations. But if the seeker is not truthful or is conditioned and he's trying to cheat himself all the time, he is not going to gain anything. In Sahaja Yoga you have to gain. Nobody else has to gain, it is you who has to gain. So, you have to be genuine about it. You cannot purchase it with money. You cannot hide it by any false means. You cannot kill it. It is eternal. If you lose your vibrations in your hands- many people have told Me that "Mother, we've lost the vibrations, now, what to do?" As if they have achieved something great by losing the vibrations, sometimes I feel. It's a mistake! There's something wrong with you somewhere which you must get it corrected. If you think by talking or by befooling, by hiding things you are going to achieve anything, you are sadly mistaken. So, we have to be extremely truthful to ourselves, we have not to cheat ourselves when we are facing God, when we are facing Truth. There are some people in this world who destroy others and there are some who destroy themselves. In the same way, there are some people in this world who cheat others and there are some who cheat themselves. There are so many things in this world which helps you to do that - is to cheat yourself. So, be on the alert! Like you read some books- they pamper your vanity, sometimes, pamper your ego and make you feel 'Oh, I'm all right, I feel all right!' And you think that you have really achieved the goal that you wanted to, because certain books say 'so, so, so, so...' Or maybe, somebody is a man who is not interested in your well-being and your Truth-seeking, may give you an idea that 'All right, this is the Truth, all right!' So, you believe that this is the Truth and you accept it, that this is the Truth. And with that kind of a conditioning, with that kind of an idea within your head, you go ahead and carry on your life. One life, two lives, three lives... You are supposed to be a seeker of Truth! How many lives are you going to waste seeking? Are you really genuine about it? Or is it, because there is a fashion that one has to talk like that or similar/ly? Of course, to cheat other is, of course, is a sin, no doubt. But to cheat yourself, itself, is also a big obstacle in the seeking of Truth. So, we have to realise that we are here to face the Truth. And God has created us in such a way that He has placed everything so beautifully within us for this thing to happen, for us to get our Self-knowledge. You are not to go in wilderness to find it out! You are not to read anything about it! Which university did Christ go to, or Krishna go to? What education did Rama have as far as university education is concerned? You have to read within yourself, your own book is within yourself, and to see for yourself, in a very humble manner to understand, 'Where am I?' Sahaja Yoga is a system which says, 'saha-ja'- 'saha' means 'with' and 'ja' is 'born'. It is born with you. Everything born with you is genuine. Do you know that? We do not know. Our hands are genuine- they never cheat us. Our feet are genuine- they never cheat, do they? Our eyes are genuine: you see something white, it looks white, it is white. Our eyes never tell us that it is black. Only when we are sick, then the whole composition changes and you get all kinds of wrong information from this body of yours. Your heart is genuine, but we teach our heart to cheat, we teach our eyes to cheat. We have pretensions and the Truth knows you. When I say this we should not have self-pity about ourselves. It is never the way to go from one extreme to another. This is a very common condition of human being. If you tell them one thing, they go from one end to another end. No, you just stand in the centre and see for yourself: How much genuine are we to receive the blessings of God? Are we really seeking God or we are seeking something else behind the name of God? I tell you, everyone who professes any religion should just have this test and he'll be surprised that either he is seeking money out of Him or he is seeking power out of Him or he is seeking some sort of a physical or maybe a material advantage of Him. That is how we are disillusioned by these people who teach us about Truth, because we find that they are not seekers of Truth, they are cheating themselves. A seeker of Truth has his attention all the time inside, on his seeking. He is not bothered about other things. The seeker wants the Absolute, the Perfect. The seeker doesn't want something that he's not seeking. That's why innocence is the best way one can seek. Like a small little child once was lost in a fair. So, the child started crying for the mother. And the police people got the child in the hand. So, they said, "All right, just now wait, we'll get your mother, but first of all you have something else." They gave a nice balloon to the child, to play. So, the child says, "No, I don't want any balloon, I don't want. I want my mother." So, they said, "All right, let's take you down, we'll give you some ice cream to eat, some chocolates." The child says, "No, I don't want any chocolates, I don't want anything like that. I want the presence of my mother. I want my mother. I won't have anything else." They tried and tried their level best to pacify the child, but the child would not take anything else but would just ask for the mother. Because child had lost the mother and it was seeking the mother, it was doubting everything else but that. But our sense of discrimination, our sense of understanding, our wisdom is so developed, is so foolishly developed, I would say, that we always miss the Truth and grasp the untruth. I don't know how human beings can do it? It's difficult for animals to do but human beings just manage. That's all we have done so far in the history, if you see. Such great incarnations came on this Earth. What did we do out of their lives? We crucified them, gave them poisons, we put them in the jails, we did whatever was possible out of them. How many followed them, one or two? But take Hitler now. How many followed him? Because we have a special identification with falsehood, not with Truth, we have lived with falsehood all our lives. Moment to moment you'll find we are doing like that. In the name of money, in the name of power, in the war, they say, everything is fair, in the name of so-called love. With all this, we expect to find the Truth? Also we expect that Truth should fall at our feet? So, to all the seekers of the Truth of this world, I request to know that if you are seeking the Truth, this time you don't miss it. It is a genuine, absolute, eternal, joy-giving, being within yourself. Yourself, within your heart it resides, is the Atma, is the Spirit within you. It does not like cheating. It knows you are cheating, it knows all the field - kshetrAgnya ( the Knower of the field). It knows what you are doing, what you are playing with, what you are doubting? It knows everything. Because this Spirit within you is one with the Whole, it keeps absolutely in harmony, unison, concord, with the Whole. It is we, with our intelligence you may call it, or ego, or superego, whatever it is, we try to cheat it. It doesn't like it, at all. If you have to become that, if your attention has to get dissolved into that Spirit, then keep your attention pure. Purity is the way you are going to get into it. It is something between you and yourself. It is something which is your own concern within yourself, it is for you to decide and to understand. If you are getting vibrations in the hand, if the cool breeze is coming, if your Kundalini has touched the Sahasrara, maybe, it is the Grace itself is pouring into you. But do not take it for granted. You will not progress fast if you go that slow way. You can only progress if you go on drenching yourself in that Grace. This is the first problem of Sahaja Yoga, I find, specially in the West. And that's why I have seen, that you are more enamoured by people who are not genuine and least bothered about someone who is absolutely genuine. The second point that comes to My mind, which is very important, the other day I hinted at it, that when you get your Self-realisation, it's just the Grace that you get it, at the first shot, you do get it. It's just the Grace that you get it! To maintain it, is your job. You lose it very fast, so many of you. Because as soon as you get it in Sahaja Yoga, you start doubting it. Firstly maybe, because you do not think that you are capable of getting a Self-realisation. You undervalue yourself, because you don't know how much God loves you. His creation will be destroyed if He does not give you Self-knowledge. It is out of this divine Love that you have got your Self-realisation. But you lose immediately the vibrations so many of you, because you start doubting. What are you doubting there? Because you are confused! What are you going to gain out of doubting or lose out of doubting? There is no shop here. There is nothing selling. You have paid no money for it. You are not going to lose your powers or anything. If you are a king, you'll remain a king, may become even a greater king. If you are a student, you might become a better student. What is there to lose that you've started doubting and playing with it? Perhaps, very few realise the value of Self-realisation. I've seen the sick realise it more than the healthy people, sometimes, because sick feel comforted in their body. But how shallow we are! Just think of it. Sometimes, this Ambrose, this amrut is given to someone who doesn't know the value of this. I had some great saints in India who told Me, who know Me, and who know My work, that, "Mother, You are wasting Your energy on these people, they are no good." They don't want to come down. I say, "Why do you say like that? I know they are seekers of the ancient times, they're great people who have been seeking the Truth and today they are born as normal householders." But they said, "They are so identified with other thing that it is going to be very difficult for them to accept the Truth." You have to steady yourself on the platform of Truth, which itself plays around. It tests you. There are ways of testing you. Every minute it is testing. You have to settle down on it. While, I've seen many people saying, " Then why should we lose vibrations?" I mean, see the attitude, I'm saying. You are a seeker. Truth is not the seeker, sir. You have to settle down there, isn't it? You have to sit down there, isn't it? Because you are going to gain, you are going to get the joy that is Truth, that is Love, that is Eternal. It is you are going to benefit. So, why be that shallow? Why be that frivolous? Because you are people, of ancient ages, have been seeking the Truth. There're people you have seen the other day, I had met a man who was on the TV or something and he was talking big thing about wholesomeness and also of seeking and self-knowledge. When he confronted Me, I found him absolutely shallow, good for nothing, absolutely useless fellow. He said,"I must have the experience." I said, "Why must you have, sir? Why do you entitle? Because you can give big lecture in BBC, because you have read this book of this man, that book of that man?" It judges you, My children, it judges you every minute. You are judging it, but it judges you! Perhaps, I hope in My lifetime, I may be able to see that Truth is dawn upon this Earth, in your heart and that thousands and thousands of you, who are really the seekers, receive it. But it's a living process. It is not a artificial process. It is not just a movement, linear movement like that. It is a living process. There are so many things that have to work it out. Like you can have many plastic flowers, but to get one flower, how much time one has to spend watching it blossoming? This growth does not cut anyone, it doesn't move in a linear way as other growths do: like your power, like your political, economic growths. They move in lines, they have no relationship with others, you see. There is no relationship with the Whole, they have no sense of proportion. Like somebody's nose increasing, somebody's ears increasing. It's a cancer! All these movements will lead to cancer, means they will eat you off. They have to eat up somebody to make their way. They just start blindly moving one side, then they cannot turn round. It's a wholesome, living movement. And that takes time. It can work out very fast. It can go into a chain reaction. I can assure you: if you all decide to be genuine about it and humble about it, if you little bit change your attitude about Sahaja Yoga: that there is nothing selling here, that you are the seeker, you have to knock the door, you have to ask for it and then you will be blessed. This is the biggest gap I find, and that's why sometimes, I feel extremely helpless. Please, try to understand. Please, understand this is the situation: you are seekers, you are really genuine seekers, you have been seeking for thousands of years. It has been said in the scriptures. And you are born on this Earth to get your right as the citizen of Kingdom of God. But seek That! Do not seek anything else, because nothing else is important, neither fulfilling, nor rewarding, neither perfect. Today, we are going to have the meditation now after this. In Sahaja Yoga the meditation has only one simple meaning is that the Kundalini has to rise from the triangular bone there, and has to touch the Sahasrara, here, and open you to the subtle point. This is a simple thing, is meditation. After realisation also, meditation means the same that you keep your Kundalini high up hanging there. You are with the subtle collective consciousness, with the Universal all-pervading power of God's love. Once you are there, you are just hanged up into that blissful state. Then diseases don't come to you, then mental tortures don't come to you. You become a witness and you become the instrument of that power, which is all-pervading and you get the collective consciousness within you. It happens to you. If it does not happen to you, then genuinely, there are some defects somewhere, which one has to correct. For which I am willing to work hard. And there are so many who have got it also. So, you are also going to get it and you are also going to feel it. There is no problem about it. It is a gift, it is not an enticement. Do not mislead yourself any longer- you have done quite a lot. Now please, receive the gift and establish it within yourself. Do not identify yourself with all false ideas. Say, if you are a Christian then, 'I am a Christian. Only Christ is the One.' Yes, He is the One, no doubt, but He means many thing. Or if I'm a Muslim, then Mohammed Sahib is the only One. Or if I'm a Jew, then I do not believe in Christ. There are many like these mad caps all around. You are not that type! Get over these boundaries and false identifications and raise your vision higher, which is called as adhishthana, you put yourself higher than what you are. Which you are! And just say that, "I'm a seeker of Truth! Does this behove me, my personality. How can I think like that about it!" The Truth has to be universal and has to be for all of them, whether they are Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, atheist. It has to be for every one of you. So, you do not put it into compartments and strangle it, because then that is the end for your seeking. That is the death of your seeking. As I told you before, a tree has many flowers and it has beautiful, one, whole personality. People take the flowers with them saying, "This is my flower. This is my flower." They remove it from the whole and the flowers become ugly and die out. The sap of life moves in the tree all over, it does not stick on to one flower because it is one in unison with the power of God. We, human beings, are separated, specially for the purpose of our independent development, but, in our wisdom we should be able to see all this around us and learn from it. There are so many thing which teach us that do not get into compartments. Does a tree say that 'I belong to England' or 'I belong to India'? If it cannot prosper in one climate, it does not, that's all. As human beings you are the highest and are the wisest and the best. Let God see how this blossoming time flowers you into beautiful fruits of His work, of His creation. May God bless you all! Will you put your hands like this, towards Me, just like this and take out your shoes? Now, you are here for seeking and not for any mental acrobatics. So, please, tell your mind to shut up for a while. So far you have not been able to find it. All right, so let us go ahead. And now do not put your mind to any exercise. Just put your hands in a very simple manner like this, in a most comfortable position. Do not put any strain on your body. If there is anything tight, please, remove it. And let us sit little comfortably. Just most comfortably, but put both the feet touching on the ground. [Pause for 2 minutes] Please, close your eyes. Please, close your eyes, because when Kundalini crosses over the Agnya, there's a dilatation of the pupil. And then eyes little bit, you see a little bit, blind for a little while, but please, keep them closed, otherwise the Kundalini won't cross, you see, because She doesn't want to disturb you, you see. So, She'll keep below the Agnya. Now, if you cannot close your eyes properly, in the sense that there is a little flickering in the eyelids, please, open them. [Pause for 30 seconds] Don't be angry with yourself, you see. It is not true of everyone what I said you. But it is a little bit in everyone of us, a little bit of that lacking sometimes, you see. So, please, don't be angry with yourself, but love yourself. By loving you will be able to judge it; what is good and bad for you. Just don't think about it. It will work without thinking. With thinking it is not going to work out. So, just leave your thinking one side. You've not to think. Most of you have become blank. [Pause for 30 seconds] You have to get it like a small child wants to have his mother. In the same way, you have to get to the Truth. That's all, very simple. But tell your mind to rest a while, not to take you to too much thinking. That is very important, because this mind only cheats you all the time. Train it up properly. [ASIDE] You should record it, vibrations. [Pause for 2 minutes] If you are getting any cool breeze in your hand... All those who have come for the first time should see if there is any cool breeze coming in your hand, through your fingers, fingertips. [Pause for 30 seconds] You are [UNCLEAR] to the experience. Very good. [Pause for one and half minutes] Now, those who are getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands, all of you. Mother addressing somebody in Hindi. Tumhe nahi aa rahe? (Means 'You are not getting?') [rest is UNCLEAR] Those who have come today for the first time, please, raise your hands who are getting cool breeze. For the first time... Mother asking a Sahaja yogi: "Aa raha hai unke cool breeze? Nahi aa raha? Unko bandhan do tou tumhara aa jayega." [Meaning: "Is he getting cool breeze? Not getting? If you give bandhan to him then you will get it."] Now, those who have come for the first time and are not getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands. First time and are not getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands. Have you come for the first time? Have you? This lady... ask her. Have you come... Yes. Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? Then raise your hands. Did you follow My point? Those who have come for the first time and are not getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands. Hanna is he getting cool breeze? Haan? [Meaning: 'Yes?'] What's the matter? Doubting? You are going to waste all your time, like this, My child... [Unclear] How are you going to listen? Please, raise... Are you getting cool breeze? No. Then again, raise again... All of you who have come for the first time and are not getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands. Are you getting cool breeze? Good. [Unclear] I'm so happy! Very happy! You all have got. Are you feeling better now? One, two, three, four...and four... What about that lady there? Are you getting cool breeze, no? Getting it? Very good! All right, let it work out. Close your eyes, it will work out, all right? Only four people are not getting vibrations. Have you been to any gurus? Have you been to any gurus? Guru, guru. What you call them, masters or gurus or I don't know... what all names. What do you say to gurus?

How truthful are we about seeking?, public programme, Caxton Hall, London, England. 16 July 1979. The other day I told you about the instrument that we have already within ourselves, for us to have our own Self-knowledge, which is an actualisation, which is an experience, which is a happening by which we become That. It is the becoming, it is not any brain washing or sermoning but it's a becoming I'm talking about. When we say, we are the seekers of Truth, how truthful are we about this seeking? This is one point we should try to understand. Are we really, genuinely seeking? Are we genuine about it, or we are doing it because it's nice to say that we are seeking the Truth? If you have to seek something genuine, you have to be truthful yourself. This is one of the greatest hurdles in Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is a system by which you jump into the Truth itself. You become the Truth, you don't see the Truth, you don't understand the Truth, but you become the Truth. It is most amazing thing that human beings don't understand what to expect out of Truth. They are seeking Truth but they have no conception about the absolute value of Truth. Truth, we cannot compromise. It doesn't have two sides: like you have day and night, you have right and wrong. It's absolute! There is no compromise about it. For example, as the other day I told you that when you get your realisation, you start feeling the cool vibrations flowing from your hand. And these cool vibrations are the indication that the Divine power has started flowing through you. Now, these vibrations that you have are flowing through you like a cool breeze, are absolutely genuine, they are much more genuine than genuineness, because human beings always have relative idea of genuineness. For example, say, if you take carbon atom- it can be placed in any way, it has got four valencies, but it can be placed any way in a molecule. You can change the form of it, but still, if you go to the details of it, the carbon will remain carbon. And a hydrogen will remain hydrogen, in its basic structure. So, the Truth that is the basic thing, cannot change. You cannot mould it, you cannot befool it, you cannot act it. When these vibrations are flowing from you, if there are no vibrations then you are not there. Nobody can say that you are there, that you are a realised soul because you are carrying a big horn on your head. You may carry any signs and signatures saying that you are a great person, you have so many following and there are so many people running mad after you. But still you are not a realised soul and you are not. Even if you are crucified and you are a realised soul you can feel it that this one, the one whom we have crucified, is the one who is emitting vibrations. But if the seeker is not truthful or is conditioned and he's trying to cheat himself all the time, he is not going to gain anything. In Sahaja Yoga you have to gain. Nobody else has to gain, it is you who has to gain. So, you have to be genuine about it. You cannot purchase it with money. You cannot hide it by any false means. You cannot kill it. It is eternal. If you lose your vibrations in your hands- many people have told Me that "Mother, we've lost the vibrations, now, what to do?" As if they have achieved something great by losing the vibrations, sometimes I feel. It's a mistake! There's something wrong with you somewhere which you must get it corrected. If you think by talking or by befooling, by hiding things you are going to achieve anything, you are sadly mistaken. So, we have to be extremely truthful to ourselves, we have not to cheat ourselves when we are facing God, when we are facing Truth. There are some people in this world who destroy others and there are some who destroy themselves. In the same way, there are some people in this world who cheat others and there are some who cheat themselves. There are so many things in this world which helps you to do that - is to cheat yourself. So, be on the alert! Like you read some books- they pamper your vanity, sometimes, pamper your ego and make you feel 'Oh, I'm all right, I feel all right!' And you think that you have really achieved the goal that you wanted to, because certain books say 'so, so, so, so...' Or maybe, somebody is a man who is not interested in your well-being and your Truth-seeking, may give you an idea that 'All right, this is the Truth, all right!' So, you believe that this is the Truth and you accept it, that this is the Truth. And with that kind of a conditioning, with that kind of an idea within your head, you go ahead and carry on your life. One life, two lives, three lives... You are supposed to be a seeker of Truth! How many lives are you going to waste seeking? Are you really genuine about it? Or is it, because there is a fashion that one has to talk like that or similar/ly? Of course, to cheat other is, of course, is a sin, no doubt. But to cheat yourself, itself, is also a big obstacle in the seeking of Truth. So, we have to realise that we are here to face the Truth. And God has created us in such a way that He has placed everything so beautifully within us for this thing to happen, for us to get our Self-knowledge. You are not to go in wilderness to find it out! You are not to read anything about it! Which university did Christ go to, or Krishna go to? What education did Rama have as far as university education is concerned? You have to read within yourself, your own book is within yourself, and to see for yourself, in a very humble manner to understand, 'Where am I?' Sahaja Yoga is a system which says, 'saha-ja'- 'saha' means 'with' and 'ja' is 'born'. It is born with you. Everything born with you is genuine. Do you know that? We do not know. Our hands are genuine- they never cheat us. Our feet are genuine- they never cheat, do they? Our eyes are genuine: you see something white, it looks white, it is white. Our eyes never tell us that it is black. Only when we are sick, then the whole composition changes and you get all kinds of wrong information from this body of yours. Your heart is genuine, but we teach our heart to cheat, we teach our eyes to cheat. We have pretensions and the Truth knows you. When I say this we should not have self-pity about ourselves. It is never the way to go from one extreme to another. This is a very common condition of human being. If you tell them one thing, they go from one end to another end. No, you just stand in the centre and see for yourself: How much genuine are we to receive the blessings of God? Are we really seeking God or we are seeking something else behind the name of God? I tell you, everyone who professes any religion should just have this test and he'll be surprised that either he is seeking money out of Him or he is seeking power out of Him or he is seeking some sort of a physical or maybe a material advantage of Him. That is how we are disillusioned by these people who teach us about Truth, because we find that they are not seekers of Truth, they are cheating themselves. A seeker of Truth has his attention all the time inside, on his seeking. He is not bothered about other things. The seeker wants the Absolute, the Perfect. The seeker doesn't want something that he's not seeking. That's why innocence is the best way one can seek. Like a small little child once was lost in a fair. So, the child started crying for the mother. And the police people got the child in the hand. So, they said, "All right, just now wait, we'll get your mother, but first of all you have something else." They gave a nice balloon to the child, to play. So, the child says, "No, I don't want any balloon, I don't want. I want my mother." So, they said, "All right, let's take you down, we'll give you some ice cream to eat, some chocolates." The child says, "No, I don't want any chocolates, I don't want anything like that. I want the presence of my mother. I want my mother. I won't have anything else." They tried and tried their level best to pacify the child, but the child would not take anything else but would just ask for the mother. Because child had lost the mother and it was seeking the mother, it was doubting everything else but that. But our sense of discrimination, our sense of understanding, our wisdom is so developed, is so foolishly developed, I would say, that we always miss the Truth and grasp the untruth. I don't know how human beings can do it? It's difficult for animals to do but human beings just manage. That's all we have done so far in the history, if you see. Such great incarnations came on this Earth. What did we do out of their lives? We crucified them, gave them poisons, we put them in the jails, we did whatever was possible out of them. How many followed them, one or two? But take Hitler now. How many followed him? Because we have a special identification with falsehood, not with Truth, we have lived with falsehood all our lives. Moment to moment you'll find we are doing like that. In the name of money, in the name of power, in the war, they say, everything is fair, in the name of so-called love. With all this, we expect to find the Truth? Also we expect that Truth should fall at our feet? So, to all the seekers of the Truth of this world, I request to know that if you are seeking the Truth, this time you don't miss it. It is a genuine, absolute, eternal, joy-giving, being within yourself. Yourself, within your heart it resides, is the Atma, is the Spirit within you. It does not like cheating. It knows you are cheating, it knows all the field - kshetrAgnya ( the Knower of the field). It knows what you are doing, what you are playing with, what you are doubting? It knows everything. Because this Spirit within you is one with the Whole, it keeps absolutely in harmony, unison, concord, with the Whole. It is we, with our intelligence you may call it, or ego, or superego, whatever it is, we try to cheat it. It doesn't like it, at all. If you have to become that, if your attention has to get dissolved into that Spirit, then keep your attention pure. Purity is the way you are going to get into it. It is something between you and yourself. It is something which is your own concern within yourself, it is for you to decide and to understand. If you are getting vibrations in the hand, if the cool breeze is coming, if your Kundalini has touched the Sahasrara, maybe, it is the Grace itself is pouring into you. But do not take it for granted. You will not progress fast if you go that slow way. You can only progress if you go on drenching yourself in that Grace. This is the first problem of Sahaja Yoga, I find, specially in the West. And that's why I have seen, that you are more enamoured by people who are not genuine and least bothered about someone who is absolutely genuine. The second point that comes to My mind, which is very important, the other day I hinted at it, that when you get your Self-realisation, it's just the Grace that you get it, at the first shot, you do get it. It's just the Grace that you get it! To maintain it, is your job. You lose it very fast, so many of you. Because as soon as you get it in Sahaja Yoga, you start doubting it. Firstly maybe, because you do not think that you are capable of getting a Self-realisation. You undervalue yourself, because you don't know how much God loves you. His creation will be destroyed if He does not give you Self-knowledge. It is out of this divine Love that you have got your Self-realisation. But you lose immediately the vibrations so many of you, because you start doubting. What are you doubting there? Because you are confused! What are you going to gain out of doubting or lose out of doubting? There is no shop here. There is nothing selling. You have paid no money for it. You are not going to lose your powers or anything. If you are a king, you'll remain a king, may become even a greater king. If you are a student, you might become a better student. What is there to lose that you've started doubting and playing with it? Perhaps, very few realise the value of Self-realisation. I've seen the sick realise it more than the healthy people, sometimes, because sick feel comforted in their body. But how shallow we are! Just think of it. Sometimes, this Ambrose, this amrut is given to someone who doesn't know the value of this. I had some great saints in India who told Me, who know Me, and who know My work, that, "Mother, You are wasting Your energy on these people, they are no good." They don't want to come down. I say, "Why do you say like that? I know they are seekers of the ancient times, they're great people who have been seeking the Truth and today they are born as normal householders." But they said, "They are so identified with other thing that it is going to be very difficult for them to accept the Truth." You have to steady yourself on the platform of Truth, which itself plays around. It tests you. There are ways of testing you. Every minute it is testing. You have to settle down on it. While, I've seen many people saying, " Then why should we lose vibrations?" I mean, see the attitude, I'm saying. You are a seeker. Truth is not the seeker, sir. You have to settle down there, isn't it? You have to sit down there, isn't it? Because you are going to gain, you are going to get the joy that is Truth, that is Love, that is Eternal. It is you are going to benefit. So, why be that shallow? Why be that frivolous? Because you are people, of ancient ages, have been seeking the Truth. There're people you have seen the other day, I had met a man who was on the TV or something and he was talking big thing about wholesomeness and also of seeking and self-knowledge. When he confronted Me, I found him absolutely shallow, good for nothing, absolutely useless fellow. He said,"I must have the experience." I said, "Why must you have, sir? Why do you entitle? Because you can give big lecture in BBC, because you have read this book of this man, that book of that man?" It judges you, My children, it judges you every minute. You are judging it, but it judges you! Perhaps, I hope in My lifetime, I may be able to see that Truth is dawn upon this Earth, in your heart and that thousands and thousands of you, who are really the seekers, receive it. But it's a living process. It is not a artificial process. It is not just a movement, linear movement like that. It is a living process. There are so many things that have to work it out. Like you can have many plastic flowers, but to get one flower, how much time one has to spend watching it blossoming? This growth does not cut anyone, it doesn't move in a linear way as other growths do: like your power, like your political, economic growths. They move in lines, they have no relationship with others, you see. There is no relationship with the Whole, they have no sense of proportion. Like somebody's nose increasing, somebody's ears increasing. It's a cancer! All these movements will lead to cancer, means they will eat you off. They have to eat up somebody to make their way. They just start blindly moving one side, then they cannot turn round. It's a wholesome, living movement. And that takes time. It can work out very fast. It can go into a chain reaction. I can assure you: if you all decide to be genuine about it and humble about it, if you little bit change your attitude about Sahaja Yoga: that there is nothing selling here, that you are the seeker, you have to knock the door, you have to ask for it and then you will be blessed. This is the biggest gap I find, and that's why sometimes, I feel extremely helpless. Please, try to understand. Please, understand this is the situation: you are seekers, you are really genuine seekers, you have been seeking for thousands of years. It has been said in the scriptures. And you are born on this Earth to get your right as the citizen of Kingdom of God. But seek That! Do not seek anything else, because nothing else is important, neither fulfilling, nor rewarding, neither perfect. Today, we are going to have the meditation now after this. In Sahaja Yoga the meditation has only one simple meaning is that the Kundalini has to rise from the triangular bone there, and has to touch the Sahasrara, here, and open you to the subtle point. This is a simple thing, is meditation. After realisation also, meditation means the same that you keep your Kundalini high up hanging there. You are with the subtle collective consciousness, with the Universal all-pervading power of God's love. Once you are there, you are just hanged up into that blissful state. Then diseases don't come to you, then mental tortures don't come to you. You become a witness and you become the instrument of that power, which is all-pervading and you get the collective consciousness within you. It happens to you. If it does not happen to you, then genuinely, there are some defects somewhere, which one has to correct. For which I am willing to work hard. And there are so many who have got it also. So, you are also going to get it and you are also going to feel it. There is no problem about it. It is a gift, it is not an enticement. Do not mislead yourself any longer- you have done quite a lot. Now please, receive the gift and establish it within yourself. Do not identify yourself with all false ideas. Say, if you are a Christian then, 'I am a Christian. Only Christ is the One.' Yes, He is the One, no doubt, but He means many thing. Or if I'm a Muslim, then Mohammed Sahib is the only One. Or if I'm a Jew, then I do not believe in Christ. There are many like these mad caps all around. You are not that type! Get over these boundaries and false identifications and raise your vision higher, which is called as adhishthana, you put yourself higher than what you are. Which you are! And just say that, "I'm a seeker of Truth! Does this behove me, my personality. How can I think like that about it!" The Truth has to be universal and has to be for all of them, whether they are Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, atheist. It has to be for every one of you. So, you do not put it into compartments and strangle it, because then that is the end for your seeking. That is the death of your seeking. As I told you before, a tree has many flowers and it has beautiful, one, whole personality. People take the flowers with them saying, "This is my flower. This is my flower." They remove it from the whole and the flowers become ugly and die out. The sap of life moves in the tree all over, it does not stick on to one flower because it is one in unison with the power of God. We, human beings, are separated, specially for the purpose of our independent development, but, in our wisdom we should be able to see all this around us and learn from it. There are so many thing which teach us that do not get into compartments. Does a tree say that 'I belong to England' or 'I belong to India'? If it cannot prosper in one climate, it does not, that's all. As human beings you are the highest and are the wisest and the best. Let God see how this blossoming time flowers you into beautiful fruits of His work, of His creation. May God bless you all! Will you put your hands like this, towards Me, just like this and take out your shoes? Now, you are here for seeking and not for any mental acrobatics. So, please, tell your mind to shut up for a while. So far you have not been able to find it. All right, so let us go ahead. And now do not put your mind to any exercise. Just put your hands in a very simple manner like this, in a most comfortable position. Do not put any strain on your body. If there is anything tight, please, remove it. And let us sit little comfortably. Just most comfortably, but put both the feet touching on the ground. [Pause for 2 minutes] Please, close your eyes. Please, close your eyes, because when Kundalini crosses over the Agnya, there's a dilatation of the pupil. And then eyes little bit, you see a little bit, blind for a little while, but please, keep them closed, otherwise the Kundalini won't cross, you see, because She doesn't want to disturb you, you see. So, She'll keep below the Agnya. Now, if you cannot close your eyes properly, in the sense that there is a little flickering in the eyelids, please, open them. [Pause for 30 seconds] Don't be angry with yourself, you see. It is not true of everyone what I said you. But it is a little bit in everyone of us, a little bit of that lacking sometimes, you see. So, please, don't be angry with yourself, but love yourself. By loving you will be able to judge it; what is good and bad for you. Just don't think about it. It will work without thinking. With thinking it is not going to work out. So, just leave your thinking one side. You've not to think. Most of you have become blank. [Pause for 30 seconds] You have to get it like a small child wants to have his mother. In the same way, you have to get to the Truth. That's all, very simple. But tell your mind to rest a while, not to take you to too much thinking. That is very important, because this mind only cheats you all the time. Train it up properly. [ASIDE] You should record it, vibrations. [Pause for 2 minutes] If you are getting any cool breeze in your hand... All those who have come for the first time should see if there is any cool breeze coming in your hand, through your fingers, fingertips. [Pause for 30 seconds] You are [UNCLEAR] to the experience. Very good. [Pause for one and half minutes] Now, those who are getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands, all of you. Mother addressing somebody in Hindi. Tumhe nahi aa rahe? (Means 'You are not getting?') [rest is UNCLEAR] Those who have come today for the first time, please, raise your hands who are getting cool breeze. For the first time... Mother asking a Sahaja yogi: "Aa raha hai unke cool breeze? Nahi aa raha? Unko bandhan do tou tumhara aa jayega." [Meaning: "Is he getting cool breeze? Not getting? If you give bandhan to him then you will get it."] Now, those who have come for the first time and are not getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands. First time and are not getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands. Have you come for the first time? Have you? This lady... ask her. Have you come... Yes. Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? Then raise your hands. Did you follow My point? Those who have come for the first time and are not getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands. Hanna is he getting cool breeze? Haan? [Meaning: 'Yes?'] What's the matter? Doubting? You are going to waste all your time, like this, My child... [Unclear] How are you going to listen? Please, raise... Are you getting cool breeze? No. Then again, raise again... All of you who have come for the first time and are not getting cool breeze, please, raise your hands. Are you getting cool breeze? Good. [Unclear] I'm so happy! Very happy! You all have got. Are you feeling better now? One, two, three, four...and four... What about that lady there? Are you getting cool breeze, no? Getting it? Very good! All right, let it work out. Close your eyes, it will work out, all right? Only four people are not getting vibrations. Have you been to any gurus? Have you been to any gurus? Guru, guru. What you call them, masters or gurus or I don't know... what all names. What do you say to gurus?

7/20/1979

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"Why Are We Here?", Public programme. Cardiff, Wales (UK). 20 July 1979. ... a lady from this place and she told Me that: if there were some film stars coming or some film was to be shown then there would be many more people, the whole place would be packed out, but people have no time for God.It never amazes Me, it's very true. We have taken everything for granted but we cannot take it for a longer period. You have seen that, in all the affluent countries, wherever people have achieved their well-being through material advancement, [the people] have reached to a stage where they start thinking - why are they created? what is the purpose of their life? Why are they here? Are they here just to be born, earn some living, spend some money, run after power, run after other superficial things, which do not give you a fulfilment [of] the joy that has been promised to us through all the scriptures. And then they start thinking "After all what is it we are here for?". One has to think why we are made human beings from Amoeba stage. What was the need for us to be human beings? There must be some purpose for our living. When this stage is reached then people don't care for cinema stars or for any powerful personality, so called, politically or economically, but then they ask for something that is of an eternal nature. So today we are here to find out if there is something of that kind existing or not. I say there is, but you can't see it. It is all-pervading, you just can't visualize this. You have heard about it that there is God's divine power, all-pervading power, around us. For example if I say that there are lots of pictures around - you just can't see any pictures, except for these bare walls. But there are many pictures here. If you just open the television set you will know that there are many pictures around, but there has to be a television set to catch it. And that catching has to be done by our awareness. But our awareness, as it is, the human awareness, as it is, is not subtle enough to catch that divine power about which I am saying. Now in India we have been talking about it for thousands of years. Even in this country you know that there are so many people who are seeking truth. That stage has come now to many countries, and has to come because, when one realizes the futility of life one starts thinking "After all why are we here?" When God has made us from Amoeba stage to this stage, He has placed an instrument within us to achieve our last stage where we can become His instruments and that His divine power, which is all-pervading, that is flowing through us, we can perceive and we can visualize it. It's a question of actualization of this experience, it's not sermonizing, that I stand here and talk about God and all "You must be like this and you should not do this and you should not do that". But it's a question of actualizing the experience of that divine power within you. If there are some medical students here or medical doctors they will understand that, within us, there is a system which we call as Autonomous Nervous System, which looks after our Autonomous work, means which is done by 'Auto'. Now who is this 'Auto'? In Sanskrit language, if you translate it, it would be SwayamChalit. Now who is this Swayam, who is this Auto? This is what they have not been able to say. For example, if you run fast your heart will start beating fast but automatically it comes down. Now who does it? There must be someone who does this job. Even the heart that is beating - who is beating the heart? Who is digesting the food? Who is looking after us? How are we born? Human beings cannot even transform one flower into a fruit. While there is Someone who is doing millions and millions of such living things while human beings are doing only dead work. Like there was these dead stones and dead clay out of which we have created this beautiful hall. But this is all dead from dead. We are just changing the forms. Living things we have not been able to achieve and have not been able do. We have to become really living or enlightened. Unless and until we are that we cannot do it. Now what is the system, within us, that God has placed is to be understood, in short. Because if I start telling you all the engineering you will be bored stiff. There is an engineering, for example if I have to tell you to put the lights on, I just tell you that "Please push that button," and it would be on. But, if I have to tell you all the engineering that worked out this electricity here, and then all the [description about the] way the history has brought this progress in electricity, you'll be completely bored stiff. That's why I said, first of all, you get the light inside, by putting your hands towards Me and getting the Cool Breeze flowing into you. I wonder how many of you have got it? Those who have got it and those who haven't got it, both of them, we are going to look after that. Now the thing is - it's a living process which has to happen to us. Or I would say it's an evolutionary process, the ultimate of it, the end of it the yoga. Yoga means the union with God. It means two things, one is the union of your Self with God and secondly it means the deftness, the 'kaushala', the technique - how it happens and which way it works out and how you can manoeuvre. These are the two sides of yoga. Now when we think of yoga, normally we think about standing on our heads or reducing our weights or something like that. It's just a very wee, wee part of the whole yoga even according to Patanjali. Patanjali has brought Hatha Yoga on this earth, but it was to be done only up to the age of 20 years, when you lived a very celibate life in the jungles. And the few things that we are doing, called as 'Asanas' has a very big significance, no doubt, but it is to be used with a proper understanding of it. For example, it's an exercise, physical exercise, to keep your particular centres, in your being, alright. But if you do not know what are the centres, what's the matter with you; supposing you do not know what's wrong with you, what exercise are you going to take? You might be harming yourself. We do not take all the medicinal shop just to cure one disease, and if you have no disease, what's the need to take such a strenuous thing like Hatha Yoga. I mean it is such a mistake, I would say, and such a misappropriation of the knowledge that people start thinking that, if we have to take to yoga, it's only for our physical being. But we are not only the physical being; we are also emotional being, we are also mental beings and we are also spiritual being. Yoga means our union, the attention of human beings should become one with the Divine Power. This is a simple meaning of yoga is 'the union'. The rest of it is just a means to an end and those means if they are used in such an imbalanced manner and so much in a biased manner, or you can say, only a wee part of it, then, you can imagine, what will happen to this body. This yoga has to take place. According to all the scriptures that is the way we have to be. Unless and until that happens to us, we can never be peaceful, we cannot feel alright and cannot feel that we have any meaning in life. But it is much more than that; like, in the scriptures, in the Bible, Christ has said that you are to be born again. Now what does that mean? Even in the Koran it is said that you have to become a Pir. First of all you have to become a Muslim, means you have to surrender yourself, and then you have to become a Pir. Only by surrendering it does not work out. So all these things that we heard so far, and the science that has progressed so far, lead us to one point that: there is still something missing in us; we are not yet perfect beings. We have to know our meaning. We are not yet perfect and something has to happen in us that should give us the complete idea as to what we are. For example, now this (microphone) is an instrument we have created here, for a purpose, but unless and until it is put to the mains, it cannot work. In the same way, if we are not put to the mains the instrument that is a human being, cannot work it out, and that's why this happening must take place. But for that what are we to do? What did we do to get this nose? And what did we do to get these eyes? What did we do to get this body? Nothing. We have taken it for granted. In the same way, what are we to do for our future evolution? Nothing. What did you do to become a human being from a monkey stage? Nothing! And in the same way you are not to do anything, but this has to happen by God's grace. It is His grace that is going to work it out. And when somebody who has the authority of this grace, or somebody who can manoeuvre this grace, and the one who is already graced or, we can say, the one who is already a Self-realized person can only do this. Without this the life has no meaning, no joy, no happiness. Many people these days you find are talking about tensions. "We have too much tension, we have too much of worry, life is very fast. What to do how to live?” The reason is, you are still lost in your ego and super-ego, because you think "I have to do this, I must get it done" and "This is my idea of doing.." a particular thing. You depend on a certain conception of something to be done and when you find it is not done you get frustrated and unhappy.Because all your attention is on what you can do and not on what God can do to you. It can only happen if you become a part and parcel of that Divine Power. Otherwise, by giving lectures, that "you just leave everything to God" it is not going to happen. It's a happening which has to work out within you, that, suddenly you become that, you become the part of that great dynamic force and it starts flowing through you. And through this only, you'll be amazed that wondrous things happen and miracles take place. For example, we'll say cancer.Now the disease of cancer cannot be cured, except for with Sahaja Yoga. You'll be amazed, we have cured so many patients of cancer. And once you get your realization it is very hard to get to cancer. The reason is, the power that we have got stored within us, we are using all the time through our sympathetic [nervous] system. Now that power is limited and that limited power gets exhausted. When the energy comes to the least position then we get so excited that the cells in that system start growing on their own. Like, in a broken home, a child starts running amuck. So these cells when they become amuck, or they start on their own, they overgrow and malignancy sets in, that's how cancer is caused. Now this cancer can be absolutely corrected if you, somehow or other, pour that energy into that person, into that patient. Now this energy is all-pervading as I say. I mean, you need not believe Me, but if you keep your mind open you will know that this power exists around us. And this power is stored within us up to a point. If you could, somehow or other, open up yourself to this Divine Power then the power is all the time flowing in you and you do not have any problem of exhausting it. For example you are going by a car and the car has got limited petrol, and you are worried and you are in tension, because you think the petrol will be over. But supposing by any chance, if you are connected to the mains, and all the time this petrol is flowing in the tank you won't have any problem. In the same way if you could be connected to this Divine force you will be surprised, you will not worry.As you know, rationally also, that worry doesn't give you any help. It never gives you any help, on the contrary it exhausts you. This worry is a myth and all such myths - we have so many of them, one better than another. And we are so much misidentified with all these mythical things of the world and we are so much worried about useless things that [despite] this beautiful life that God has created us as human beings, for us to enter into His Kingdom, to enjoy His blissful presence, we have become the most miserable animals. No animal is as miserable because they never commit suicide. We are the only people who commit suicide and who try to do all kinds of nonsensical things. We are the people who are known for creating all kinds of institutions like insurances and such instruments by which we suggest that we are extremely insecure. Animals don't have any sense of insecurity. They live in the jungles, they have always the danger of a higher animal trying to harm them, but they are never that upset, they are never that worried. Why human beings have to worry so much? The reason is simple - that the human beings have not yet achieved this oneness with the Divine. Now this oneness with the Divine has to be achieved, by human beings and God has given us freedom to be ourselves, to begin with. He has given us freedom for one reason, so that we should know what is right and what is wrong. In our own freedom we should decide. No use going to churches or to temples or any place where people give you lectures saying "Don't do this and don't do that". You are a human being and a wise person, you know for yourself what is wrong and what is right. But why is it that we do not take to the right course? For example, we see a man coming out of the pub, falling all over, people beating him up and taking him away to a police station. But here we are anxious to enter into the same pub, to come back in the same way.Now, you cannot explain these things. Why human beings knowingly do such things, but they do. The reason is they are not yet clear-cut about what is their being. They have not evaluated themselves, they have not been able to understand what an important thing it is to be a human being, and once this happens, this happening takes place - I'm not saying it is a lecture but a happening, it takes place - you immediately become a transformed personality, a different personality, a different personality, and you'll be amazed after this what happens. It's a wondrous thing and I hope it will happen to all of you. Now today, somehow, our people from London have not yet reached and we have had a little misunderstanding about timings and things. But whatever it is, whatever is the small number we have from Cardiff, I would like to work on you people and to see and tell you all about it - what we have within ourselves and what is the thing that works out your system. Now within ourselves, we have, at the back, if somebody can stand here I'll show you. He's Dr. Rustom from England. He's come, he's also a psychologist and he's with us now. If you can turn round I will show them now..) In our body, here in the triangular bone, resides that germinating force and that germinating force is there, which rises through the spinal chord, through six other centres, and emerges out of the fontanel bone area in the brain. Now what we 'baptism' is the same thing. When this happens, this portion becomes absolutely soft like a child's portion. When you are a child you are not yet free, in the sense that God has yet kept you under His care. But when you start growing the ego and the super-ego, on both the sides, start developing, and you form a complete 'I-ness'. So you become 'Dr. Rustom' or you become X,Y,Z. Now the same thing is lying down here, that germinating force, and She rises - She's called as Kundalini - and She rises straight on, like this, between, passing through, the different centres which are denoting our evolutionary force. Like we can say that we have all these stages of our evolution within ourselves and these are all the stages which are placed within us and these are all the different centres, which are seven in number. One is below the Kundalini and there are six above it. Out of them, the one that is here, is the centre between the optic chiasma, where the two optic nerves meet. And that's the point they call the 'third eye' and that's a very important point, and this is the point of Christ. This is the point where you see this red mark (Shri Mataji's bindi) is the point of Christ and when the Kundalini rises She awakens all these deities. For example, Mohammed Sahib, is in the void. All the Guru's like Mohammed Sahib, all the prophets, are in the void here, in the stomach. Because these people haven't arrived I haven't got my map (chakra chart) here but they might be arriving any time then you can have a look at it. And like these centres that are here, we have all these deities, these leaders who came to save us, on this earth. We call it in Sanskrit 'Dash Avataras' [lit. 10 incarnations]. And then we have so many prophets like Mohammed Sahib and like Moses, Abraham. All these are great Prophets. They are all settled within ourselves here. You will be amazed that they are in a dormant condition. When this Kundalini rises upward She gives power to all of them and they start working and then they open out here, on the head, on top. You can see Dr's head, he's here, is absolutely like a child here. Is just like a child has a dimple, or you can say a portion which is very soft. In the same way it happens to you in your head and you become one with that all pervading subtle power. And this, once it happens, then you get all the blessings of physical health, emotional well-being - many mad people have been cured by this - and also of mental enhancement; that you start seeing things as they are. Because you enter into the realm, as soon as the Kundalini crosses over this point (Agnya), you enter into the realm where there is no thought. You are aware, but you become thoughtless. In thoughtlessness, only, you can see things much more clearly. Because supposing you see a particular scene, there is a thought in between. Then you start thinking "how much it must have cost? From where it must have come?" and you cannot enjoy that scene directly. But if there is no thought, like a ripple-less lake, the whole joy of that creation is reflected in it and you start enjoying it. But it only happens if the Kundalini has crossed up to this point. But when it pierces through this (Sahasrara) you start feeling the Cool Breeze in the hand, flowing.Now all these centres are reflected on our fingers here. All these centres like, from here you can say, one, first one is here and then the third and then the fourth fifth and sixth, and this is the seventh. All these seven centres are reflected on our fingers and hands, on this one and this one. And after that you can start feeling yourself and others on these fingers, to begin with. Later on as you grow in it and mature in it, then you start feeling within yourself. For example, this starts moving from, say, this centre, which is below the Kundalini. And this does not take any role in the awakening of the Kundalini, except that it informs, [the Kundalini] that, there is somebody who knows the job.Now this Kundalini rises without any harm, without any trouble, in a very straightforward manner. Now there are books, you might have read, some of you, that, "Kundalini rising is the most hazardous thing, it creates lots of problems" and all sorts of things. But here I am before you. I must have given Kundalini awakening to thousands of people in India and abroad, but have not seen this thing happening to even one person. This thing happens to people who do not know the job because supposing you do not know what is electricity - you'll always get a shock. And then you will say that "electricity means shock". If you do not know how to manoeuvre the power, and if you are not authorized to do it, if you do something unauthorized, you are going to fall into problems. This is what happens, and this is why there is such a lot of writing against Kundalini. People say Kundalini should not be risen. After all this is the germinating power within us. It's like a primula, it's the 'ankura' within us, which has to sprout to make us living and enlightened. This is what we have to achieve and this is what we call, is to be 'born again'. And this Indians know very well that we all have to be 'born again', we have to be Self-realized and we have to have Atmasakshatkar. Everyone, who has a little idea about the scriptures, knows about it. Now as far as the science is concerned. Science people cannot understand it because they deal only with the wee part of life. What is science is, that you are dealing with the dead. Whatever is available, you just take it out and see for yourself that it is there. For example, you can say that there is gravity. Alright, but why? How gravity has come into it? Why gravity has come into it? No scientist can answer. But they are such arrogant people that they think that there is no God. How can they say that when they cannot answer a few questions like this? For example in the body, in our own body - he's a doctor and there are many other doctors. I myself have done medicine, and they cannot answer many questions like, for example, there is something like acetylcholine and adrenaline - two chemicals in our being. Now when they are in the body, their mode of action is that they have to augment or to relax, cannot be explained. And they say that they behave like human beings, we don't know what they think about it. It cannot be explained. Another simple example could be that when any foreign body goes into your stomach, then you throw it away. Anywhere in the body, if there is a foreign thing coming in, it is thrown away. But when a child is to be born, you know that the foetus is retained. Not only retained but looked after and nurtured and matured. And when it is ready then, exactly at the right time when it is absolutely ready, then it is thrown out of the system. Who does this? Who does this understanding? And who manages this? The discrimination between the two, doctors cannot understand. They can say that "here is a finger and if you open it ther is this muscle" and "there is this thing and there is a heart" but they do not know why it is there, why this finger is placed here, what does this mean and what does it relate to. Now with your naked eyes, you can see the rising of the Kundalini in many people. Now as it is there are very few and most of you have got it, but when there is somebody with an obstructed second chakra or third chakra, then you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini. So many of these, who are here, have seen it. With your naked eyes you can see it. Then as, it rises higher and higher, you can see the rising of the Kundalini, you can see the wave moving up. And inside you can feel absolutely peaceful in your brain. You become absolutely thoughtless and aware of it. This happens in a split of a second, if you are really ready. For children it takes no time, it happens just like that.But, you see, for elderly people, or people who are involved in some extreme habits, like a person who is an athlete. We had, the other day, a big tennis player coming over, and it would not rise, because he was full of it, you see; he was a big tennis player and a big man and a great person; so the Kundalini said "alright, wait for a while. You're too great for me!" So it would not rise. And then with some people who are 'atikarmis' (lit. very hard workers); working very hard - doing something too much. With them also, the Kundalini doesn't rise. Those people who are temperate, who are in the centre, who are not arrogant, who are humble people - only for them the Kundalini rises. And I have seen people that cannot understand why, in very simple, ordinary people who come to Me, the Kundalini rises and when these big, big people come to Me it does not rise. It's a simple thing is, that - are you a human being who has led a normal, balanced, simple life? If you are an abnormal person, then the Kundalini is not for them. It is for the middle type of people, the people who have led a life of a middle path; not of extremes. There are so many factors to explain to you, especially if you have a physical problem. Say somebody's suffering from diabetes, which is a common disease of the modern times and doctors cannot cure it. We can cure it, no doubt. The reason is that diabetes is caused to people because there is one centre which thinks and which looks after, also, the pancreas and also the spleen, the kidneys, the liver. Now if you are a person who is a planner all the time, planning for tomorrow and planning too much and "we must do this". And all the plans fail. If you plan too much the plans will fail. If you just see the plan of God and fit your plans with it, that's the way to be successful in your plans. Now when you start planning too much, you plan it so much that this particular centre, which we call as Swadishthana centre, which manifests the Aortic plexus within us, is given such a lot of work that it stops supplying any energy to the pancreas and, as a result, we get diabetes. But if you could give a balance to that particular centre, by giving power to it, you can cure diabetes very easily. Diabetes, people who lead a very temperate life, they do not suffer from such a disease like diabetes.There is heart trouble now. Heart trouble is a very common thing that people suffer from. That is also caused by the over activity of the mental self. For example, Hatha Yogis, so-called, who are worried about their physical being and everybody is trying to be a wrestler or a cinema actor. They run, I have seen people running for hours together and miles together. They lose all their power, even, to feel. They lose all their feelings for anybody else. They become dry people and such people can get a heart attack in no time. Those who are great thinkers and those who are planners and are great politicians, you can say, or great economists, and all that - those people also get to heart attack. The reason is that the life is very imbalanced. They do not see to the left hand side, they do not see that they have an emotional being also within them which is being starved. And they freeze the left side. By that freezing they get the heart attack. Once you come to Sahaja Yoga, you become one with the Divine. The force starts flowing through you and you become radiant. You become much younger. You start looking much healthier and your temperament becomes very happy and jolly. You don't worry then because there's a hole here (at Sahasrara) and all the worries pass through that hole. You cannot worry. Even if you want to you just can't worry. You don't mind, you take things as they are. If there is a palace for you to live it's alright, if it is not you can sleep under a tree and enjoy yourself. Such a person doesn't take any sleeping pills or any such medicines that requires attention from people who are all the time worried about something which is very, very temporary. Once you get this eternal thing flowing in you, this gives power to all your beings and completely integrates you. For example, those people who do some work, then they think "Oh, mentally it's alright, but emotionally it's not alright. You see, I'm working in the office but I neglect my wife. I don't know what to do. Now this is alright but that is not alright. Should I do it or not?" - All these problems are solved because you get completely integrated. All your being supports you. You start feeling your chakras. That is what is Self-knowledge. You start seeing them, feeling them. You start understanding what's the matter with you, where is the problem, where is the catch; "where am I catching? what is troubling me?" You start curing yourself. You can feel others also because you jump into a new awareness called as collective consciousness. For example, in every country, if you go, or in United Nations - if you go and here there, people give big, big lectures. They'll say "We are all brothers and sisters." Now how are we to believe this? It's not a fact for us. You see, we have to just tell ourselves all the time "We are all brothers and sisters," but we are not. That's what we realise. We think we are all separate people, how can we be brothers and sisters? But by this happening you just become one [with them]. Like you become a part and parcel of one being. You can feel your own finger. In the same way, you start feeling others. What happens is that, now, as you are all sitting separately - you are all connected with each other through a thread that is passing through you. But just now you are disconnected because there is a blockage in between here, in the head. Once this connection is established then you start becoming one with everyone. Like if this finger has, supposing, lost it's nervous feeling. It cannot feel other things and the body doesn't feel it either. But supposing the nerves are opened out, then it starts feeling the whole. In the same way we can understand it, that, supposing there are many pearls and there is one string passing through them. If your attention is on the pearl, then you think "You are separate, I am separate, he is separate." But somehow, if your attention passes into the thread then you can pass into everyone, and you are collectively one. When it happens, then only, this unity that we are talking about is established. This wholesomeness is established. It is not by giving lectures and telling people that we are brothers and sisters and we should live together. Husband and wife cannot live together, let alone the whole world. Unless and until this happening takes place this won't work out and that's why this has to happen. It is that the time has come. This used to happen to one in a million. At the time of Raja Janaka, who lived in Bihar as you know - and there are many people from Bihar - there was only one - Nachiketa - who got realization. Can you imagine that? But today the time has come, the blossom time has come. When there is the beginning of the tree only one little flower appears. After some time there are three or four flowers appearing. But when the blossom time comes many flowers are transformed into a fruit. And this is the time that has come and if people miss this time, it's going to be very difficult because the time is coming when the last sorting out will start and all those who have not achieved this will be sorted out and will be taken away. Like the husk of the wheat which has not yet ripened. So the time is very important. Give up your ego. Give up your arrogance and just get it. To get to it you don't have to pay for it because you cannot sell love. This is God's Divine love. Those gurus who take money - know that they are the ones who are here just to cheat you. You cannot sell it in the market. You cannot sell it. Those who are selling it are sinful people. God's love cannot be sold in the market. But we have lots of these commodities being exported these days, from India also. Here also, I have seen, there are many people who have come up and, about them, all the Puranas, all the scriptures have talked about calling them 'fake gurus'. 'This cannot be sold. This cannot be worked out. It is effortless' is written everywhere and that's why it is necessary for us to understand that, when somebody tries to say that "Alright, you can pay for it," he is just trying to pamper your ego. You cannot learn it by education. You cannot get it by talking about it or by arguing about it. It can happen only within you if you are in a mood, in a condition or in a deserving position to receive it. But there are so many deserving, I am amazed that, there are thousands and thousands who are deserving. If they only come to Sahaja Yoga it can work out. So the system of Sahaja Yoga is not My own, as such, as people think - that it's My own. It has been going on for ages and ages. Everything that has happened in this world, that is living, has been spontaneous. Even the creation of this world has been spontaneous. In the same way, this happening, where you jump into this new awareness, where your evolution has to culminate - you have to become that - is also spontaneous, effortless, and done through the grace of God. May God bless you all. I would like to have some questions from you and then I would like to see if you get this, because that is the main thing, is to get to it.Have you any questions? Please ask. Seeker: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: That's it, correct. That's the trick. He's got the right point, you see, how the Kundalini rises. As I said it's a spontaneous thing. Now how a flower becomes a fruit? How a seed sprouts? It works out this way, it's very simple to understand. When the sun rises the suns rays fall onto the fruit and the fruit has got the built in mechanism within it, or the seed has got the built in mechanism within it which just starts. In the same way, you have got the built in mechanism within you and maybe I am authorized for that, and it works out in My presence. But once it works out in you, it works out in others. It's like one light enlightening another light. For example, only a candle which is enlightened can enlighten another candle, isn't it? But once the other candle is enlightened you can equally enlighten another candle. It's like this. Maybe I'm the one who started this joke. Do you have any objection for that? And then you can do it and the others can do it. It is something, just enlightening another light. Because it's all ready. Your candle is all ready. Once I enlighten you, you will start enlightening another person. It is that spontaneous. Alright? Seeker: do you need to put in any effort? Shri Mataji: Nothing, nothing. You do not need to put in any effort. If you do not put in any effort then it works out faster. Effort spoils it more. It's like this, I would say, that supposing you don't know how to swim and a person who knows how to swim comes along and he tries to save you. Then if you try to put in an effort, you make it difficult. But the person who knows how to swim, can teach you how to swim, later on, after saving you. And then you can teach others also. So just now if you put in effort it might hamper the progress. But it just works out in a very very simple manner. It radiates from My being, what can I do about it? It does. And it was there since I was born. I knew about it. But I started My work much later because I wanted to do it en-masse. That it should happen to many people. So I had to study what the problems with human beings are - how they are obstructed. You cannot do it with effort. That is one thing which is difficult for man to understand and accept, because of our ego comes in. what did you do to become a human being? Just think like that. Nothing. But the beauty of the whole thing is that, only after you have become a human being, at the next stage of evolution, you are going to see it, you are going to watch it, and you are going to know it. This is the only thing is that, because you are a free person, God has given you a speciality. By raising your head you have developed a centre within yourself, by which, you have become separated from the whole, no doubt, but also you have developed yourself in such a way that, when you get your realization, you can feel it and see it - that you have become a different person. It sounds very fantastic but it is very simple too. Now how do you do it? If I tell you, as I have told you, that you have to just put both your hands towards Me for the time being. Just like this. Just like this. And it works out. In the way we do to a mass (?), you see - in the same way - you put your hands towards Me. Your fingertips are manifesting all the sympathetic centres within you, and they receive. And it passes through your hands and gives an invitation to your Kundalini and it works out. But even, say Dr. Rustom, or any one of these who are here, realized souls; they look like you only, but you can see from their faces, the way they are, that they can do it too. And you can do it too. It's a very, very simple method which should be worked out, and once you learn how to manoeuvre it and understand it, it works wonders. But it happens, in this country I've seen, especially, and in the western countries, especially, it happens that, after realization they start rationalizing it and thinking about it - "How can it be?" They forget the experience that they had and then they go down. So please, do not go down, but go higher and higher today. It is an experience. We have, from Cardiff, somebody sitting here who has received it. He came all the way and he got it there and he's just here and so many of them have got it all over the country here. They have lost their identity as, say, 'Britishers' or Indians and all this and they have become so much one with each other. Such integration has taken place, you have no idea. May God bless you all! Let us see if it works out in you. And if it does not work out we'll have to see what are the centres, where are they, how we have to work it out. It's only with movement of the hand that you can do it, because the force is flowing through your fingers. It happens and it should happen to you because it has been promised and that is what God wants to see - His creation coming to its fruit. He won't allow His creation to be destroyed, which he created with such care.

"Why Are We Here?", Public programme. Cardiff, Wales (UK). 20 July 1979. ... a lady from this place and she told Me that: if there were some film stars coming or some film was to be shown then there would be many more people, the whole place would be packed out, but people have no time for God.It never amazes Me, it's very true. We have taken everything for granted but we cannot take it for a longer period. You have seen that, in all the affluent countries, wherever people have achieved their well-being through material advancement, [the people] have reached to a stage where they start thinking - why are they created? what is the purpose of their life? Why are they here? Are they here just to be born, earn some living, spend some money, run after power, run after other superficial things, which do not give you a fulfilment [of] the joy that has been promised to us through all the scriptures. And then they start thinking "After all what is it we are here for?". One has to think why we are made human beings from Amoeba stage. What was the need for us to be human beings? There must be some purpose for our living. When this stage is reached then people don't care for cinema stars or for any powerful personality, so called, politically or economically, but then they ask for something that is of an eternal nature. So today we are here to find out if there is something of that kind existing or not. I say there is, but you can't see it. It is all-pervading, you just can't visualize this. You have heard about it that there is God's divine power, all-pervading power, around us. For example if I say that there are lots of pictures around - you just can't see any pictures, except for these bare walls. But there are many pictures here. If you just open the television set you will know that there are many pictures around, but there has to be a television set to catch it. And that catching has to be done by our awareness. But our awareness, as it is, the human awareness, as it is, is not subtle enough to catch that divine power about which I am saying. Now in India we have been talking about it for thousands of years. Even in this country you know that there are so many people who are seeking truth. That stage has come now to many countries, and has to come because, when one realizes the futility of life one starts thinking "After all why are we here?" When God has made us from Amoeba stage to this stage, He has placed an instrument within us to achieve our last stage where we can become His instruments and that His divine power, which is all-pervading, that is flowing through us, we can perceive and we can visualize it. It's a question of actualization of this experience, it's not sermonizing, that I stand here and talk about God and all "You must be like this and you should not do this and you should not do that". But it's a question of actualizing the experience of that divine power within you. If there are some medical students here or medical doctors they will understand that, within us, there is a system which we call as Autonomous Nervous System, which looks after our Autonomous work, means which is done by 'Auto'. Now who is this 'Auto'? In Sanskrit language, if you translate it, it would be SwayamChalit. Now who is this Swayam, who is this Auto? This is what they have not been able to say. For example, if you run fast your heart will start beating fast but automatically it comes down. Now who does it? There must be someone who does this job. Even the heart that is beating - who is beating the heart? Who is digesting the food? Who is looking after us? How are we born? Human beings cannot even transform one flower into a fruit. While there is Someone who is doing millions and millions of such living things while human beings are doing only dead work. Like there was these dead stones and dead clay out of which we have created this beautiful hall. But this is all dead from dead. We are just changing the forms. Living things we have not been able to achieve and have not been able do. We have to become really living or enlightened. Unless and until we are that we cannot do it. Now what is the system, within us, that God has placed is to be understood, in short. Because if I start telling you all the engineering you will be bored stiff. There is an engineering, for example if I have to tell you to put the lights on, I just tell you that "Please push that button," and it would be on. But, if I have to tell you all the engineering that worked out this electricity here, and then all the [description about the] way the history has brought this progress in electricity, you'll be completely bored stiff. That's why I said, first of all, you get the light inside, by putting your hands towards Me and getting the Cool Breeze flowing into you. I wonder how many of you have got it? Those who have got it and those who haven't got it, both of them, we are going to look after that. Now the thing is - it's a living process which has to happen to us. Or I would say it's an evolutionary process, the ultimate of it, the end of it the yoga. Yoga means the union with God. It means two things, one is the union of your Self with God and secondly it means the deftness, the 'kaushala', the technique - how it happens and which way it works out and how you can manoeuvre. These are the two sides of yoga. Now when we think of yoga, normally we think about standing on our heads or reducing our weights or something like that. It's just a very wee, wee part of the whole yoga even according to Patanjali. Patanjali has brought Hatha Yoga on this earth, but it was to be done only up to the age of 20 years, when you lived a very celibate life in the jungles. And the few things that we are doing, called as 'Asanas' has a very big significance, no doubt, but it is to be used with a proper understanding of it. For example, it's an exercise, physical exercise, to keep your particular centres, in your being, alright. But if you do not know what are the centres, what's the matter with you; supposing you do not know what's wrong with you, what exercise are you going to take? You might be harming yourself. We do not take all the medicinal shop just to cure one disease, and if you have no disease, what's the need to take such a strenuous thing like Hatha Yoga. I mean it is such a mistake, I would say, and such a misappropriation of the knowledge that people start thinking that, if we have to take to yoga, it's only for our physical being. But we are not only the physical being; we are also emotional being, we are also mental beings and we are also spiritual being. Yoga means our union, the attention of human beings should become one with the Divine Power. This is a simple meaning of yoga is 'the union'. The rest of it is just a means to an end and those means if they are used in such an imbalanced manner and so much in a biased manner, or you can say, only a wee part of it, then, you can imagine, what will happen to this body. This yoga has to take place. According to all the scriptures that is the way we have to be. Unless and until that happens to us, we can never be peaceful, we cannot feel alright and cannot feel that we have any meaning in life. But it is much more than that; like, in the scriptures, in the Bible, Christ has said that you are to be born again. Now what does that mean? Even in the Koran it is said that you have to become a Pir. First of all you have to become a Muslim, means you have to surrender yourself, and then you have to become a Pir. Only by surrendering it does not work out. So all these things that we heard so far, and the science that has progressed so far, lead us to one point that: there is still something missing in us; we are not yet perfect beings. We have to know our meaning. We are not yet perfect and something has to happen in us that should give us the complete idea as to what we are. For example, now this (microphone) is an instrument we have created here, for a purpose, but unless and until it is put to the mains, it cannot work. In the same way, if we are not put to the mains the instrument that is a human being, cannot work it out, and that's why this happening must take place. But for that what are we to do? What did we do to get this nose? And what did we do to get these eyes? What did we do to get this body? Nothing. We have taken it for granted. In the same way, what are we to do for our future evolution? Nothing. What did you do to become a human being from a monkey stage? Nothing! And in the same way you are not to do anything, but this has to happen by God's grace. It is His grace that is going to work it out. And when somebody who has the authority of this grace, or somebody who can manoeuvre this grace, and the one who is already graced or, we can say, the one who is already a Self-realized person can only do this. Without this the life has no meaning, no joy, no happiness. Many people these days you find are talking about tensions. "We have too much tension, we have too much of worry, life is very fast. What to do how to live?” The reason is, you are still lost in your ego and super-ego, because you think "I have to do this, I must get it done" and "This is my idea of doing.." a particular thing. You depend on a certain conception of something to be done and when you find it is not done you get frustrated and unhappy.Because all your attention is on what you can do and not on what God can do to you. It can only happen if you become a part and parcel of that Divine Power. Otherwise, by giving lectures, that "you just leave everything to God" it is not going to happen. It's a happening which has to work out within you, that, suddenly you become that, you become the part of that great dynamic force and it starts flowing through you. And through this only, you'll be amazed that wondrous things happen and miracles take place. For example, we'll say cancer.Now the disease of cancer cannot be cured, except for with Sahaja Yoga. You'll be amazed, we have cured so many patients of cancer. And once you get your realization it is very hard to get to cancer. The reason is, the power that we have got stored within us, we are using all the time through our sympathetic [nervous] system. Now that power is limited and that limited power gets exhausted. When the energy comes to the least position then we get so excited that the cells in that system start growing on their own. Like, in a broken home, a child starts running amuck. So these cells when they become amuck, or they start on their own, they overgrow and malignancy sets in, that's how cancer is caused. Now this cancer can be absolutely corrected if you, somehow or other, pour that energy into that person, into that patient. Now this energy is all-pervading as I say. I mean, you need not believe Me, but if you keep your mind open you will know that this power exists around us. And this power is stored within us up to a point. If you could, somehow or other, open up yourself to this Divine Power then the power is all the time flowing in you and you do not have any problem of exhausting it. For example you are going by a car and the car has got limited petrol, and you are worried and you are in tension, because you think the petrol will be over. But supposing by any chance, if you are connected to the mains, and all the time this petrol is flowing in the tank you won't have any problem. In the same way if you could be connected to this Divine force you will be surprised, you will not worry.As you know, rationally also, that worry doesn't give you any help. It never gives you any help, on the contrary it exhausts you. This worry is a myth and all such myths - we have so many of them, one better than another. And we are so much misidentified with all these mythical things of the world and we are so much worried about useless things that [despite] this beautiful life that God has created us as human beings, for us to enter into His Kingdom, to enjoy His blissful presence, we have become the most miserable animals. No animal is as miserable because they never commit suicide. We are the only people who commit suicide and who try to do all kinds of nonsensical things. We are the people who are known for creating all kinds of institutions like insurances and such instruments by which we suggest that we are extremely insecure. Animals don't have any sense of insecurity. They live in the jungles, they have always the danger of a higher animal trying to harm them, but they are never that upset, they are never that worried. Why human beings have to worry so much? The reason is simple - that the human beings have not yet achieved this oneness with the Divine. Now this oneness with the Divine has to be achieved, by human beings and God has given us freedom to be ourselves, to begin with. He has given us freedom for one reason, so that we should know what is right and what is wrong. In our own freedom we should decide. No use going to churches or to temples or any place where people give you lectures saying "Don't do this and don't do that". You are a human being and a wise person, you know for yourself what is wrong and what is right. But why is it that we do not take to the right course? For example, we see a man coming out of the pub, falling all over, people beating him up and taking him away to a police station. But here we are anxious to enter into the same pub, to come back in the same way.Now, you cannot explain these things. Why human beings knowingly do such things, but they do. The reason is they are not yet clear-cut about what is their being. They have not evaluated themselves, they have not been able to understand what an important thing it is to be a human being, and once this happens, this happening takes place - I'm not saying it is a lecture but a happening, it takes place - you immediately become a transformed personality, a different personality, a different personality, and you'll be amazed after this what happens. It's a wondrous thing and I hope it will happen to all of you. Now today, somehow, our people from London have not yet reached and we have had a little misunderstanding about timings and things. But whatever it is, whatever is the small number we have from Cardiff, I would like to work on you people and to see and tell you all about it - what we have within ourselves and what is the thing that works out your system. Now within ourselves, we have, at the back, if somebody can stand here I'll show you. He's Dr. Rustom from England. He's come, he's also a psychologist and he's with us now. If you can turn round I will show them now..) In our body, here in the triangular bone, resides that germinating force and that germinating force is there, which rises through the spinal chord, through six other centres, and emerges out of the fontanel bone area in the brain. Now what we 'baptism' is the same thing. When this happens, this portion becomes absolutely soft like a child's portion. When you are a child you are not yet free, in the sense that God has yet kept you under His care. But when you start growing the ego and the super-ego, on both the sides, start developing, and you form a complete 'I-ness'. So you become 'Dr. Rustom' or you become X,Y,Z. Now the same thing is lying down here, that germinating force, and She rises - She's called as Kundalini - and She rises straight on, like this, between, passing through, the different centres which are denoting our evolutionary force. Like we can say that we have all these stages of our evolution within ourselves and these are all the stages which are placed within us and these are all the different centres, which are seven in number. One is below the Kundalini and there are six above it. Out of them, the one that is here, is the centre between the optic chiasma, where the two optic nerves meet. And that's the point they call the 'third eye' and that's a very important point, and this is the point of Christ. This is the point where you see this red mark (Shri Mataji's bindi) is the point of Christ and when the Kundalini rises She awakens all these deities. For example, Mohammed Sahib, is in the void. All the Guru's like Mohammed Sahib, all the prophets, are in the void here, in the stomach. Because these people haven't arrived I haven't got my map (chakra chart) here but they might be arriving any time then you can have a look at it. And like these centres that are here, we have all these deities, these leaders who came to save us, on this earth. We call it in Sanskrit 'Dash Avataras' [lit. 10 incarnations]. And then we have so many prophets like Mohammed Sahib and like Moses, Abraham. All these are great Prophets. They are all settled within ourselves here. You will be amazed that they are in a dormant condition. When this Kundalini rises upward She gives power to all of them and they start working and then they open out here, on the head, on top. You can see Dr's head, he's here, is absolutely like a child here. Is just like a child has a dimple, or you can say a portion which is very soft. In the same way it happens to you in your head and you become one with that all pervading subtle power. And this, once it happens, then you get all the blessings of physical health, emotional well-being - many mad people have been cured by this - and also of mental enhancement; that you start seeing things as they are. Because you enter into the realm, as soon as the Kundalini crosses over this point (Agnya), you enter into the realm where there is no thought. You are aware, but you become thoughtless. In thoughtlessness, only, you can see things much more clearly. Because supposing you see a particular scene, there is a thought in between. Then you start thinking "how much it must have cost? From where it must have come?" and you cannot enjoy that scene directly. But if there is no thought, like a ripple-less lake, the whole joy of that creation is reflected in it and you start enjoying it. But it only happens if the Kundalini has crossed up to this point. But when it pierces through this (Sahasrara) you start feeling the Cool Breeze in the hand, flowing.Now all these centres are reflected on our fingers here. All these centres like, from here you can say, one, first one is here and then the third and then the fourth fifth and sixth, and this is the seventh. All these seven centres are reflected on our fingers and hands, on this one and this one. And after that you can start feeling yourself and others on these fingers, to begin with. Later on as you grow in it and mature in it, then you start feeling within yourself. For example, this starts moving from, say, this centre, which is below the Kundalini. And this does not take any role in the awakening of the Kundalini, except that it informs, [the Kundalini] that, there is somebody who knows the job.Now this Kundalini rises without any harm, without any trouble, in a very straightforward manner. Now there are books, you might have read, some of you, that, "Kundalini rising is the most hazardous thing, it creates lots of problems" and all sorts of things. But here I am before you. I must have given Kundalini awakening to thousands of people in India and abroad, but have not seen this thing happening to even one person. This thing happens to people who do not know the job because supposing you do not know what is electricity - you'll always get a shock. And then you will say that "electricity means shock". If you do not know how to manoeuvre the power, and if you are not authorized to do it, if you do something unauthorized, you are going to fall into problems. This is what happens, and this is why there is such a lot of writing against Kundalini. People say Kundalini should not be risen. After all this is the germinating power within us. It's like a primula, it's the 'ankura' within us, which has to sprout to make us living and enlightened. This is what we have to achieve and this is what we call, is to be 'born again'. And this Indians know very well that we all have to be 'born again', we have to be Self-realized and we have to have Atmasakshatkar. Everyone, who has a little idea about the scriptures, knows about it. Now as far as the science is concerned. Science people cannot understand it because they deal only with the wee part of life. What is science is, that you are dealing with the dead. Whatever is available, you just take it out and see for yourself that it is there. For example, you can say that there is gravity. Alright, but why? How gravity has come into it? Why gravity has come into it? No scientist can answer. But they are such arrogant people that they think that there is no God. How can they say that when they cannot answer a few questions like this? For example in the body, in our own body - he's a doctor and there are many other doctors. I myself have done medicine, and they cannot answer many questions like, for example, there is something like acetylcholine and adrenaline - two chemicals in our being. Now when they are in the body, their mode of action is that they have to augment or to relax, cannot be explained. And they say that they behave like human beings, we don't know what they think about it. It cannot be explained. Another simple example could be that when any foreign body goes into your stomach, then you throw it away. Anywhere in the body, if there is a foreign thing coming in, it is thrown away. But when a child is to be born, you know that the foetus is retained. Not only retained but looked after and nurtured and matured. And when it is ready then, exactly at the right time when it is absolutely ready, then it is thrown out of the system. Who does this? Who does this understanding? And who manages this? The discrimination between the two, doctors cannot understand. They can say that "here is a finger and if you open it ther is this muscle" and "there is this thing and there is a heart" but they do not know why it is there, why this finger is placed here, what does this mean and what does it relate to. Now with your naked eyes, you can see the rising of the Kundalini in many people. Now as it is there are very few and most of you have got it, but when there is somebody with an obstructed second chakra or third chakra, then you can see the pulsation of the Kundalini. So many of these, who are here, have seen it. With your naked eyes you can see it. Then as, it rises higher and higher, you can see the rising of the Kundalini, you can see the wave moving up. And inside you can feel absolutely peaceful in your brain. You become absolutely thoughtless and aware of it. This happens in a split of a second, if you are really ready. For children it takes no time, it happens just like that.But, you see, for elderly people, or people who are involved in some extreme habits, like a person who is an athlete. We had, the other day, a big tennis player coming over, and it would not rise, because he was full of it, you see; he was a big tennis player and a big man and a great person; so the Kundalini said "alright, wait for a while. You're too great for me!" So it would not rise. And then with some people who are 'atikarmis' (lit. very hard workers); working very hard - doing something too much. With them also, the Kundalini doesn't rise. Those people who are temperate, who are in the centre, who are not arrogant, who are humble people - only for them the Kundalini rises. And I have seen people that cannot understand why, in very simple, ordinary people who come to Me, the Kundalini rises and when these big, big people come to Me it does not rise. It's a simple thing is, that - are you a human being who has led a normal, balanced, simple life? If you are an abnormal person, then the Kundalini is not for them. It is for the middle type of people, the people who have led a life of a middle path; not of extremes. There are so many factors to explain to you, especially if you have a physical problem. Say somebody's suffering from diabetes, which is a common disease of the modern times and doctors cannot cure it. We can cure it, no doubt. The reason is that diabetes is caused to people because there is one centre which thinks and which looks after, also, the pancreas and also the spleen, the kidneys, the liver. Now if you are a person who is a planner all the time, planning for tomorrow and planning too much and "we must do this". And all the plans fail. If you plan too much the plans will fail. If you just see the plan of God and fit your plans with it, that's the way to be successful in your plans. Now when you start planning too much, you plan it so much that this particular centre, which we call as Swadishthana centre, which manifests the Aortic plexus within us, is given such a lot of work that it stops supplying any energy to the pancreas and, as a result, we get diabetes. But if you could give a balance to that particular centre, by giving power to it, you can cure diabetes very easily. Diabetes, people who lead a very temperate life, they do not suffer from such a disease like diabetes.There is heart trouble now. Heart trouble is a very common thing that people suffer from. That is also caused by the over activity of the mental self. For example, Hatha Yogis, so-called, who are worried about their physical being and everybody is trying to be a wrestler or a cinema actor. They run, I have seen people running for hours together and miles together. They lose all their power, even, to feel. They lose all their feelings for anybody else. They become dry people and such people can get a heart attack in no time. Those who are great thinkers and those who are planners and are great politicians, you can say, or great economists, and all that - those people also get to heart attack. The reason is that the life is very imbalanced. They do not see to the left hand side, they do not see that they have an emotional being also within them which is being starved. And they freeze the left side. By that freezing they get the heart attack. Once you come to Sahaja Yoga, you become one with the Divine. The force starts flowing through you and you become radiant. You become much younger. You start looking much healthier and your temperament becomes very happy and jolly. You don't worry then because there's a hole here (at Sahasrara) and all the worries pass through that hole. You cannot worry. Even if you want to you just can't worry. You don't mind, you take things as they are. If there is a palace for you to live it's alright, if it is not you can sleep under a tree and enjoy yourself. Such a person doesn't take any sleeping pills or any such medicines that requires attention from people who are all the time worried about something which is very, very temporary. Once you get this eternal thing flowing in you, this gives power to all your beings and completely integrates you. For example, those people who do some work, then they think "Oh, mentally it's alright, but emotionally it's not alright. You see, I'm working in the office but I neglect my wife. I don't know what to do. Now this is alright but that is not alright. Should I do it or not?" - All these problems are solved because you get completely integrated. All your being supports you. You start feeling your chakras. That is what is Self-knowledge. You start seeing them, feeling them. You start understanding what's the matter with you, where is the problem, where is the catch; "where am I catching? what is troubling me?" You start curing yourself. You can feel others also because you jump into a new awareness called as collective consciousness. For example, in every country, if you go, or in United Nations - if you go and here there, people give big, big lectures. They'll say "We are all brothers and sisters." Now how are we to believe this? It's not a fact for us. You see, we have to just tell ourselves all the time "We are all brothers and sisters," but we are not. That's what we realise. We think we are all separate people, how can we be brothers and sisters? But by this happening you just become one [with them]. Like you become a part and parcel of one being. You can feel your own finger. In the same way, you start feeling others. What happens is that, now, as you are all sitting separately - you are all connected with each other through a thread that is passing through you. But just now you are disconnected because there is a blockage in between here, in the head. Once this connection is established then you start becoming one with everyone. Like if this finger has, supposing, lost it's nervous feeling. It cannot feel other things and the body doesn't feel it either. But supposing the nerves are opened out, then it starts feeling the whole. In the same way we can understand it, that, supposing there are many pearls and there is one string passing through them. If your attention is on the pearl, then you think "You are separate, I am separate, he is separate." But somehow, if your attention passes into the thread then you can pass into everyone, and you are collectively one. When it happens, then only, this unity that we are talking about is established. This wholesomeness is established. It is not by giving lectures and telling people that we are brothers and sisters and we should live together. Husband and wife cannot live together, let alone the whole world. Unless and until this happening takes place this won't work out and that's why this has to happen. It is that the time has come. This used to happen to one in a million. At the time of Raja Janaka, who lived in Bihar as you know - and there are many people from Bihar - there was only one - Nachiketa - who got realization. Can you imagine that? But today the time has come, the blossom time has come. When there is the beginning of the tree only one little flower appears. After some time there are three or four flowers appearing. But when the blossom time comes many flowers are transformed into a fruit. And this is the time that has come and if people miss this time, it's going to be very difficult because the time is coming when the last sorting out will start and all those who have not achieved this will be sorted out and will be taken away. Like the husk of the wheat which has not yet ripened. So the time is very important. Give up your ego. Give up your arrogance and just get it. To get to it you don't have to pay for it because you cannot sell love. This is God's Divine love. Those gurus who take money - know that they are the ones who are here just to cheat you. You cannot sell it in the market. You cannot sell it. Those who are selling it are sinful people. God's love cannot be sold in the market. But we have lots of these commodities being exported these days, from India also. Here also, I have seen, there are many people who have come up and, about them, all the Puranas, all the scriptures have talked about calling them 'fake gurus'. 'This cannot be sold. This cannot be worked out. It is effortless' is written everywhere and that's why it is necessary for us to understand that, when somebody tries to say that "Alright, you can pay for it," he is just trying to pamper your ego. You cannot learn it by education. You cannot get it by talking about it or by arguing about it. It can happen only within you if you are in a mood, in a condition or in a deserving position to receive it. But there are so many deserving, I am amazed that, there are thousands and thousands who are deserving. If they only come to Sahaja Yoga it can work out. So the system of Sahaja Yoga is not My own, as such, as people think - that it's My own. It has been going on for ages and ages. Everything that has happened in this world, that is living, has been spontaneous. Even the creation of this world has been spontaneous. In the same way, this happening, where you jump into this new awareness, where your evolution has to culminate - you have to become that - is also spontaneous, effortless, and done through the grace of God. May God bless you all. I would like to have some questions from you and then I would like to see if you get this, because that is the main thing, is to get to it.Have you any questions? Please ask. Seeker: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: That's it, correct. That's the trick. He's got the right point, you see, how the Kundalini rises. As I said it's a spontaneous thing. Now how a flower becomes a fruit? How a seed sprouts? It works out this way, it's very simple to understand. When the sun rises the suns rays fall onto the fruit and the fruit has got the built in mechanism within it, or the seed has got the built in mechanism within it which just starts. In the same way, you have got the built in mechanism within you and maybe I am authorized for that, and it works out in My presence. But once it works out in you, it works out in others. It's like one light enlightening another light. For example, only a candle which is enlightened can enlighten another candle, isn't it? But once the other candle is enlightened you can equally enlighten another candle. It's like this. Maybe I'm the one who started this joke. Do you have any objection for that? And then you can do it and the others can do it. It is something, just enlightening another light. Because it's all ready. Your candle is all ready. Once I enlighten you, you will start enlightening another person. It is that spontaneous. Alright? Seeker: do you need to put in any effort? Shri Mataji: Nothing, nothing. You do not need to put in any effort. If you do not put in any effort then it works out faster. Effort spoils it more. It's like this, I would say, that supposing you don't know how to swim and a person who knows how to swim comes along and he tries to save you. Then if you try to put in an effort, you make it difficult. But the person who knows how to swim, can teach you how to swim, later on, after saving you. And then you can teach others also. So just now if you put in effort it might hamper the progress. But it just works out in a very very simple manner. It radiates from My being, what can I do about it? It does. And it was there since I was born. I knew about it. But I started My work much later because I wanted to do it en-masse. That it should happen to many people. So I had to study what the problems with human beings are - how they are obstructed. You cannot do it with effort. That is one thing which is difficult for man to understand and accept, because of our ego comes in. what did you do to become a human being? Just think like that. Nothing. But the beauty of the whole thing is that, only after you have become a human being, at the next stage of evolution, you are going to see it, you are going to watch it, and you are going to know it. This is the only thing is that, because you are a free person, God has given you a speciality. By raising your head you have developed a centre within yourself, by which, you have become separated from the whole, no doubt, but also you have developed yourself in such a way that, when you get your realization, you can feel it and see it - that you have become a different person. It sounds very fantastic but it is very simple too. Now how do you do it? If I tell you, as I have told you, that you have to just put both your hands towards Me for the time being. Just like this. Just like this. And it works out. In the way we do to a mass (?), you see - in the same way - you put your hands towards Me. Your fingertips are manifesting all the sympathetic centres within you, and they receive. And it passes through your hands and gives an invitation to your Kundalini and it works out. But even, say Dr. Rustom, or any one of these who are here, realized souls; they look like you only, but you can see from their faces, the way they are, that they can do it too. And you can do it too. It's a very, very simple method which should be worked out, and once you learn how to manoeuvre it and understand it, it works wonders. But it happens, in this country I've seen, especially, and in the western countries, especially, it happens that, after realization they start rationalizing it and thinking about it - "How can it be?" They forget the experience that they had and then they go down. So please, do not go down, but go higher and higher today. It is an experience. We have, from Cardiff, somebody sitting here who has received it. He came all the way and he got it there and he's just here and so many of them have got it all over the country here. They have lost their identity as, say, 'Britishers' or Indians and all this and they have become so much one with each other. Such integration has taken place, you have no idea. May God bless you all! Let us see if it works out in you. And if it does not work out we'll have to see what are the centres, where are they, how we have to work it out. It's only with movement of the hand that you can do it, because the force is flowing through your fingers. It happens and it should happen to you because it has been promised and that is what God wants to see - His creation coming to its fruit. He won't allow His creation to be destroyed, which he created with such care.

7/22/1979

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Public Program "Intro to Sahaja Yoga". Leeds (UK), 22 July 1979. (Unclear) about Sahaja yoga and (unclear) understand it better(unclear) our attention (unclear) understand the problem of Sahaj (unclear) is that perhaps one has to reach a minimum (unclear) searching for God. (unclear) Maybe today you are born and raised because here most of your problems are solved. Basic problems are solved ( unclear) (unclear) enhance your attention by going to the subtler side. You don’t find out the source of that and there is a very big problem(unclear) There is a western world (unclear) and the problem of stress, the problem of pressure. (Unclear) When the door is locked, you feel more pressure( unclear) But if I go towards the door and try ( unclear) then I feel, in the same way, in the west, you feel the pressure because you are trying to opening yourself to subtle(unclear) the door toward something, but you know that you are not satisfied and there is a big pressure in your mind ((Or: (unclear) find out something(unclear) but it is about everything that you already knew(unclear) because your mind is opening yourself toward something (unclear) Because you know you are not satisfied and there is a big pressure in your mind. ( unclear) And you have to see and find out (unclear) You should not be any of things that you already have been For example, go for transfer( unclear) You have been all kinds of things That materially possible(unclear) So one has to realize there is a big pressure; you seek something which you can’t achieve it by yourself, so you feel the pressure(unclear) Because you cannot (unclear) it, you get it itself, because, you cannot manage it that’s because you get the get pressure another lot of money because as you know (unclear) Because you can not get it by yourself, so you feel the pressure. And this pressure(unclear) You cannot say all your(unclear) But behind all these ones there is a piece of (unclear) Which satisfies all your(unclear) We have to understand ourselves first, (unclear) like you want to have a big house; (unclear) we can lots of money because as you know(unclear) (unclear) You cannot say that all your wants have been satisfied and have sense but behind all this wants, (unclear) there is the essence of that satisfactionfor all your need which satisfies all your(unclear) For example, you want to say Coca-cola, you want Pepsi cola, you want water, you want another kind of drink(unclear), that’s the principle If you want to find out what is the source of power. [7:25] In the same way, you are brought to Sahaj yoga for satisfying that principle of seeking So one thing should be clear to us that we can not do it on our own, that’s why we have the pressure(unclear) That’s why you are in tension as you call it(unclear) Moreover whatever we are seeking doesn't give us the satisfaction of the principle of satisfaction So for one to another, we are seeking(unclear) So you come to spirituality. You come to satisfaction of your spirit and there also you find you do not need to go shopping(unclear) You go from one to another (unclear), because in that also they are not seeking the satisfaction of seeking If they could value their seeking on this point, are we going towards the seeking which will give us complete satisfaction? Then maybe they will come to Sahaj. Because you must know that God has come to (unclear) Without it, you didn’t do anything about it The whole your being that you are is created without you being any involved(unclear) You get it for granted Imagine that all God has created(unclear) So you have done nothing about it and you got it and now that you are feeling the pressure you want to do something. Which you also must understand that you cannot get it which it is God that has to give you If you understand that because if God has to do it that God has created you, then you call it a spontaneous thing that has to happen within us. (unclear) [9:46-9:57] And this living happening in us by which Because if God had created you, then it has to be spontaneous (unclear) And when this seeking is completely satisfied? It will be satisfied when you will have the fulfilment of your(unclear) +that you understand why you are made what is the purpose of your life. Because if God had created you, then it has to be spontaneous And that you (unclear) That you understand why you were made, what is the purpose of your life? Before that, you will think with all desires and this and that. All they are just sitting on your head and making you run here run there and making you mad (unclear) because you are not riding the horse (unclear) So now you have to ask yourself But how about riding this horse of yours sometimes for a change (unclear) But how to get on top of the back of the horse(unclear), that is the technique of Sahaja yoga. But as we can see there is no Technique for sprouting the seed. How do you sprout the seed? (unclear) it is a living process(unclear) In the same way, you can also say that also (unclear) for us there is no technique I would say here is an instrument that has to be connected to the mains if you have to start (unclear) In the same way, you have to be connected to the mains If you have to make it work. (unclear) To give you the fulfilment of your patience/Vibrations. So what are we to do about it? But again what do we do with it? Again the question comes what can we do about it? How are we doing it? (unclear) [11:50-12:15] So then you (unclear)must be wise and last and the whole being within you has also created within you the instruments(unclear) energies that are higher within you(unclear) To understand some of these energies, you can see, because we have got so many systems (unclear)questioning system within us that is subtle system (unclear)which works out automatically through our nervous system. Automatically we call them autonomous nervous systems. We understand some of these energies, you can see, within us like a nervous system, which are (unclear) In the same way, there is complete programming which is arranged within us for our evolution and give us this chance of our sprouting our rebirth and is managing all these features. (unclear) of our future(unclear) Now if I say all the scriptures are correct, you are not going to believe me (unclear)because you have not read the scriptures in the light of the spirit. Now there is the spirit within us! If I say so, you should say that Mother (unclear) Just keep your self open and as I would say that there is in sulphur dioxide, sulphur and oxide. Keep your mind open and (unclear)[13:48-13:55] In the same way you, first of all, you just open your mind, then you can see for yourself what your answer is like. (unclear) [14:09-14:19] And then you can see in yourself whatever I am saying (unclear)which is very difficult even to make you(unclear) hear what I am saying(unclear) [14:19-14:48] Just keep your mind open (unclear) there is the residual force within us in the triangular bone (unclear) Which you can not (unclear). You cannot make something pulsating the triangular bone here at the basis of triangular bone. Can you? You can jump alright. You can shout, you can scream, you can do all these things, but can you make something pulsing at the base of the triangular bone? And these people had seen (unclear) and then you can see the pulsation starts(unclear) Imagine in the triangular bone as it rises up and it pierces through the bone (unclear)and you can find from this portion of your head becomes soft just like (unclear)a child. This is the real baptism, This is the rebirth that Shankara Charya has started. He had said that not by any so-called Yogas like jumping on your head and all these things you will gain sankya. Sankya is the philosophy(unclear) [16:06-16:19] He has clearly said (unclear) in all his books. Whatever he has described he has talked about the shakti within us which is the residual force in the triangular bone(unclear) Through the grace of the mother Just clearly said, all this bhoots among the Shakti within us which is the residual force in the triangular bone that preserve what is happening like a little(unclear) of the germinating of the seed(unclear) Even in the Bible or in the Quran any of these scriptures it is written that you are to be reborn again. Even in the (unclear), it is written: you are to be born again. But what is this reborn what is this rebirth within us, what is this happening of rebirth within us? You have to understand what should happen within us that luckily we are born in modern times and there are so many books (unclear) which are called as scriptures about this and describe the goddess Now these scriptures are absolutely (unclear)they have promised that this is going to happen and they are promises(unclear) but in this seeking thing(unclear) in the West what has happened that when there is the democracy(unclear) [17:52-18:20] T there is a demand of (unclear) where people went (unclear) demand the people but artificial like it and say this is (unclear)very common in the modern time's things like thieves (unclear) and that’s how we are enamoured by them. It is a sad thing that they are also human beings. They are deceiving themselves and deceiving others (unclear) As we have said, we cannot (unclear) Someone who is authorized needs to do it. So when such a statement is made immediately the human mind is so fragile But there are people saying that he's the one, he is the one who (unclear) The third person is the one. And a normal seeker gets (unclear) He doesn’t know which (unclear) To go But if you could realize that there is no shop. That you cannot purchase him in a shop. You cannot pay for him in a shop. If one can understand this small (unclear) he can work it out How much money do we pay for sprouting a seed? How many times do we stand on our head or hop to get a plant to sprout? Over thousands and thousands in this area (unclear) that are wanting to have flowers, which are getting transformed into fruits. There are thousands and thousands in this area only, Now how man fastings have you done for that, or shaven your heads or those things? It’s a simple thing some people shave their heads I said “Why?” he said that he becomes spiritually awakened. Why? Why should you shave your head for that? And then I have said that by shaving your hair if you are going to become spiritual, I am going to be reborn and what about the sheep which is shaved every year at least twice? He should be the most spiritual (unclear) In the same way, we think we will wear some kind of a dress and join some kind of society and say that we are spiritual human beings and by that, we will become spiritually awaken? (unclear) And by changing dresses or by following dresses or changing the colour of your dress if you can make even one seed sprouted (unclear) But when it comes to sprouting the seed, we don’t do all these things (unclear) [21:42-21:50] But they should be reborn But they become our own power we just leave it to good Another question comes is how to be reborn? (unclear) you should not be living a life of temperance, we should not you should not live a life of extreme behaviour (unclear) We should be tempered. And a time comes when a person will recognise how to do this, give his life (unclear) And it can be done And at the time that a person who is unauthorized do this to give (unclear) In Sahaja yoga, people think that is something new(unclear) A trend, one of the trends that have started. even they have seen what they have got(unclear) so it will work toward the Sahaj Even the seed has knowledge (unclear) Sahaja Yoga. When the seed becomes, gradually evolves say into an animal, then becomes a human being. Then the same (unclear) acts for its last evolutionary charge. Last evolutionary channel (unclear) So Sahaj yoga for human beings is very simple where you have got the residual force(unclear) and there are seven centres in you already prepared, well placed for this just to happen (unclear) And this happens for instance in such a gentle manner like that if you were (unclear) [23:26-23:35] This is one candle which is conveniently Prepared, and you have already a wick standing out. It is all, ready. It is all connected. And it works, it is all connected. And this candle, this candle is already enlightened, what you have to do is to just bring this candle near the other one(unclear) Now, what is the technique? The technique is already, this has been already done, has been placed there (unclear) and the candle is just ready, and as soon as it comes near that candle it is enlightened. Now, what has that candle lost by this? Or what is the obligation of that candle on this? Or how much this candle has to pay to get enlightened? Or to shave the head and all that nonsense (unclear) It just works automatically; you have seen just now. But supposing this thread that is inside it is halfway through, is not properly there some naughty boy has pulled it out, or you have done some mischief with it, then it stops. And it is too embarrassing and it drops(unclear) I just go automatically(unclear) But supposing that(unclear) is not properly there(unclear) somebody (unclear) Then it will be balanced and(unclear) So (Unclear) The Kundalini falls out. And I have felt that you (Unclear) What about me (Unclear) I am quite an expert in making candles. So do not worry about, about a candle being faulty and it does not work. And Here again one must understand, that there is no attitude of obliging you at all, no obligation. There is no (unclear) of any obligation at all. There is no repayment of any compensation because there is no obligation first. This has to enlighten another life, otherwise, it has no meaning. (unclear). God has to look after his creation. Because (unclear) look after you and to give you the realization Because it will have no meaning if his creation is He will jolly? well have to look after you and give you realisation Because he is going to lose his significance. You are part and parcel of that being and what you are finding is nothing but your wholesomeness It is only a finger which is numb. That's it. And by rubbing a little bit it starts to wake and become one with the circulation and is automatically connected and is feeling all the pains and everything. In the same way, you are a little bit numb because you have been severed. For example, if I cut this finger it will have no connection, but if I again join it back it will(unclear) You have no connection again joining path (unclear) starts in the same way you are an (unclear)special technique of God almighty by which you raised your heads, and by raising this head you have somehow put the energy into (unclear)(mother earth) in such a way (unclear) that it had created two forces within you called ego and superego. And when they cover each other, overlap each other, you become a separate entity that (unclear) (unclear) Mr X Mr y. This is done just to make you absolutely free and well developed and matured. (unclear) For this last happening, and when this happens, then know that you are evolved more. That you have evolved to the highest. So far has never been. How you became from monkeys to this stage at the level of humans(unclear) can you know that? Monkeys do not know so that they have to become human. But that's why God has given to you. And that is why one has to understand this especially (unclear) To decide what is right, what is wrong which will mature us, mature, mature, mature Beside(unclear) mature children, mature people who will inherit this powers and then he exposed us to his power and that starts to (unclear) and then and that is the last heart(unclear) For that there is a (unclear) In your heart which is known as the spirit in Sanskrit is called Atma. And this spirit it watches you throughout whatever you are doing. And whatever you are doing, whatever you have done before your seeking also(unclear) In your seeking also it has recorded in this residual force in your triangular bone. It is all recorded. So when the kundalini awakens inside, this tape recording starts showing. Like if this (unclear) Has got in between somewhere water you can see the weakness in the boards. In the same way, you start showing (unclear) In the same way, it starts showing on the fingers of other people who are doing this. That sees his kundalini has stopped at this point in the body. and this is the point you can see clearly. If you can clear this point somehow, (unclear) if there is a technique like that, then you can raise the kundalini higher and higher and higher and that can be (unclear) You can say that the Sahaja Yoga, the happening will take place (unclear) or: while the happening takes place you cannot explain? Like that you cannot explain the technique of how a seed sprouts. But you know how to (unclear) How to put the tree in the proper line. How to trim it. How to bring it to a certain height. (unclear) Whether to cut it at this point or not. That all (unclear) Is that is the technique of Sahaja Yoga? So here we are combined with God(unclear). we become one with this all-pervading power. His power starts flowing through you, emitting through our spirit, and you can see that smooth pulsation. And when then this dynamic force starts flowing, we become one with the whole, the circulation of the whole starts through you with (unclear) And you can feel other peoples (unclear) On your fingers. and when this dynamic force starts the circulation and you can feel the (unclear) Not like this, that I don't like her because she wears a particular type of dress. It is not that. Its actually feeling it on your hands (unclear) This is what one has to happen (unclear) And this what we call the combination of our creation(unclear) which is what has to happen in the whole world, the whole humanity. And this is what in us Then make it absolutely, you make it your own This is what we call, it's the culmination of our creation. You have done a lot of work on the collective consciousness, on the collective unconscious. That there is a collective unconscious which guides us in our dreams giving us (unclear) This our collective unconscious is unconscious because our attention has not yet entered it. But after realization, the same unconscious becomes consciousness, because it has started or happened (unclear)and you start feeling it through your central nervous system, actually feeling it. Then make it absolutely stable. To make it your own how have to correct your (unclear) Body, mind and emotions, which is created by five elements. You actually feel the actualization of (unclear) Body, mind and emotions which is created by 5 elements. (unclear) reduce it align it You have to properly adjust yourself if you have too much of one element in you have to reduce it. For example, if you have too much of light, light in your head it means you are egoistical (unclear) If there is too much air in your head then you have to use this air, that is outside to take away the surplus. All the five elements that have created the centres, can be corrected manually adjusted, balanced, put into complete coordination and integration by the technique of Sahaja Yoga. Is that you have to become that. Manually of it, you can do it, but the first and foremost thing is that they have to be in contact. If there is no light in this darkness what work am I going to do? So first of all the light has to come within you and then you start correcting yourself (unclear) and becoming completely integrated. This is the blessing (unclear) And the attitude towards the English Is very different than the attitude towards the (unclear) And the attitude toward yourself is so different and attitude towards(unclear) In the shop, if you go and the person doesn't give you what you want then (unclear) "It is alright I have paid for this and it is written like this, you have advertised like this and I am not doing it so you better do" If I say after why, where did you get it? Did you steal it or what did you do it and bring it here? the whole grace of it vanishes. Or if she brings it to me I will ask her did you go in the market to buy? From where did you get it? Or did you get it from the corner, yeah alright, now call (unclear) When you say that you are looking to pay for it, just think of me. I mean it's a very common experience of money. You see they have gone to America first and they said "Mother, you must charge people otherwise they have no interest" I said, "I don't want to." Such foolish people who want to pay for their gift. If I am giving them something of value, how can you pay for it? Instead unless and until you pay for it they will have no use. I said, "I don't want." I cant (unclear) About such people. I think it is insulting to me. What can you gain from that? I give it because of my (unclear) You say you are going to pay for it just think of it If you can pay for it then it doesn't have any value What you can give for my love? You can just love. It's a very difficult topic to understand. You cannot understand now this pure love, and that is joy. Once the kundalini rises(unclear) and pierces the Sahasrara, you enter into the realm of god, (unclear)you enter into collective consciousness means you get the power of Others kundalinis (unclear) Actually, you know it in a sense that it becomes your own knowledge. Even a child can say that Mother I am catching here that's hot, my left heart is catching. See even a little child (unclear). Born realised children know that. At a very young age, they can tell you where is the problem. You do not know who are born realised, who are not, you do not (unclear) Right person or wrong person. How can you make up? Because you haven’t got the light within Without the light, how will you have self-knowledge? So you have to have the light to see yourself. When you have the self-knowledge, you have the knowledge of others This is the first thing that happens to you. And then when you become the spirit it's a thing that gives you the joy which finishes your seeking. When the spirit starts emitting joy. Its nature is joy, whole its nature is love, its whole nature joy. When it spreads through … How much joy … We can't imagine a human being who wants to give joy. If a flower which is not that aware is anxious to give you the joy with its colour and its fragrance That is the nature of the spirit which wants to give joy wants to make everyone joyous, by awakening their spirit that is the source of joy to make everyone joyous And then, when we who understood (unclear)superego are sucked in Who is sucked in, then the peace of the witness resides and starts seeing things like the drama (unclear) So beautiful? The joy of the creation just becomes one, because there is no thought at all, you just watch it, without any thought. When there is a thought you always think how much time past, how life is, is a headache al the time. But there is not thought and a complete vision. It sees you seek, it sees you are. If you are asking for that (unclear) Whatever is possible (unclear) Make your spirit (unclear) But if you are asking for something else, I am sorry, I can’t help Like India, there is one guru who, who gives you diamonds … they say that (unclear) One diamond with 8 karats. Somebody came to me I said “I have no diamonds, but there is a diamond within you, only the light has to fall on it, and then you will let the light of that diamond spark. And that diamond is such, that nobody can steal it, nobody can touch. And when that diamond touches any other personality, the diamond in that personality shines.” So it depends on the (unclear) In the West I must say we have very powerful seekers, very high quality of seekers, but they are lost because of their social problems, family problems, another problem like over reading, being into the wrong(unclear) While in India they do not have that seeking, but they are born in a country full of divine vibrations and they cannot feel it. So it is like somebody who has the teeth but no food and someone who has food has no teeth. … Be kind to yourself. Be kind to yourself. You have already tortured yourself, too much of torture. Please stop it and be kind to yourself, love yourself. God has created your life (unclear)Understand its value and don’t waste it. This is my message May God bless you So the thing is, this is also an (unclear) Because when we do something. We through our ego think that we are doing it For example, … So when they sat in the plane they put all the luggage on their heads saying that we are carrying Ganesha. In the same way, we are carrying the luggage on our heads. The one who has created, the one who has made you a human being, the one who has placed all the (unclear) Within you (unclear) Everything. Is a myth. And the more you identify with the myth the more you (unclear) These days it's a fashion to be guilty what are you guilty about I don't understand that gods love can't forgive. He's an ocean, an ocean of love. But why dwell on all these nonsensical things. Give him a chance. This is all a myth. It’s a myth. It’s the ego that says that I do this and I do that animals don’t behave like that. They don’t have an ego. They don’t think that I have done bad karmas or good karma. It comes through our own agencies, that we are a municipality that says we shouldn’t do this shouldn’t do that. Then we have all other such (unclear) People saying you shouldn’t do this shouldn’t do that. All the time we think “oh, we are doing all the time wrong.” As children, we don't think it is wrong, but as we grow older and older we start thinking it is wrong. Alright (unclear) In the way that you hinder the progress of others, you hinder also your own progress by such destruction. But that can be corrected. You are a solid (unclear) I haven’t met anybody so powerful that you … Not one person who is not been able to fix I mean the repairing shop is so strong, and also the instrument is very strong. It has never failed so far, so why should you worry, just (unclear) And let us have it. It’s a very, very simple proposition. Let us have question and answers Question You become silent in yourself, enjoying that peace Conditions and the thins start flowing to others through you. You carry Laughing Like tiger like a dog sometimes But this life is not about physical wellbeing or mental wellbeing The light This you really enjoy and everything you do is Q.Enjoying something R. you have to understand there is a complete mechanism in us and complete And whole What I didn't tell you, because suppose you But suppose That is why first go to Q.How much time we have R. You don’t know how much time And in between sometimes But in spite of that, you have thousands of realized souls and no one can Sahaja yoga but even understand each other Q.( a man) Seven centres These are within us and triangular bone In 3 and a half coil, this is the germinating force which has to rise through the 6 centres. T These are the six This is the centre which the pelvic plexus which 4 one of the sub plexus is This chakra will help to hold the kundalini because here resides our innocence in the last chakra our innocence And the embodiment of the innocence is the Christ And here is the as Shri Ganesha because of she as Shri Christ late Why is important Now unless you are raising in the sense that you can not pass through this chakra That means you can not when you are getting It means also kundalini awakening you become innocence It also means that kundalini Because kundalini is the mother Is such a that you So it is important to understand that you can not achieve That’s why a good life a married life The second chakra that is Swadishthana chakra 6 petals which have the creativity and also this chakra help for future When you think about this chakra When you think so much this chakra, plan too much and other activities So those people who think too much That is also because is too much when you This manifests the right If you use the right all the time planning, then the left side can loose And such a person run too much And he I can’t feel love, happiness I asked rally can't you feel anything he said no! Heart I can’t not my children I can not my wife I am running all the time I said that’s why. Because you are running too much That your emotional side Running for what? And such people can get heart cancer The left side is for your emotions Starts not bothering about your emotional life you can become a horrid person. And if you use too much the tendency of Angry and They can have the right side They can become lunatic They become that then (laugh) There is a chair Because It is called nabhi chakra and outside The physical level and it looks after the ten commandments which are Socrate, Nanaka another Janaka is another all these primordial masters All these primordial masters came to this earth to tell us about the balance within us and also is the source of the evolution Where we start amoeba transforming into When they Reptiles rise their body higher and higher because they want to have So to the animal kingdom is the stomach But when they go higher into the right side the same centre Shri ram is the centre into the human being For social life and he is the one the ideal This is the centre for your fatherhood Or if you are This cent re Left-hand side centre This centre where spirit and the centre one is the one since the age of kali yuga The antibody in us which later on in life goes into body and Go to the circulation And this is the centre of the Mother creates antibody in us Antibodies within us and she prepare to live this world When this centre is a spoiled sense of security Those people Get asthma This centre here is the centre is called Vishuddhi and manifest itself serves 16 petals and it controls here tongues And cheeks and also the balls of the eyes It is a very very important centre You start developing this ego and superego Emotional on the left-hand side Create ego and superego and This is the centre Is the centre And that point Which controls our ego and superego and Center of the Outside is presented As Shri Ganesha Which has called Ekadasha with 16 destroying powers In the beginning, we have to just When kundalini raises Take the name of And you will be amazed until and unless Like you are going to So somebody tells you You tell them That somebody It is the first and You are Mr. z In the same way These are the At the Highest She is the one who opens this centre So these are all these seven cent re So Christ said those who are not against me are with me Who has come just You could have been Better for me But don’t feel hurt If I am the heart you are You should Experience Cool breeze now? What about you? Don’t worry Now it's a clear-out What about you sir? But not in your hands Is there any problem there? sit down sit down no matter you got it what about it works in no time you didn’t listen to my lecture what about you? A. Would you put your hands toward me? Hands the nerves Maybe sometimes If I know What about you? Laugher See that’s it Let see them What about you? On both of hands? Good What about you? So close your eyes and enjoy this Agnya right or left Did you go to PM also? So put your hand Sit here and close your eyes, just close your eyes and you feel better

Public Program "Intro to Sahaja Yoga". Leeds (UK), 22 July 1979. (Unclear) about Sahaja yoga and (unclear) understand it better(unclear) our attention (unclear) understand the problem of Sahaj (unclear) is that perhaps one has to reach a minimum (unclear) searching for God. (unclear) Maybe today you are born and raised because here most of your problems are solved. Basic problems are solved ( unclear) (unclear) enhance your attention by going to the subtler side. You don’t find out the source of that and there is a very big problem(unclear) There is a western world (unclear) and the problem of stress, the problem of pressure. (Unclear) When the door is locked, you feel more pressure( unclear) But if I go towards the door and try ( unclear) then I feel, in the same way, in the west, you feel the pressure because you are trying to opening yourself to subtle(unclear) the door toward something, but you know that you are not satisfied and there is a big pressure in your mind ((Or: (unclear) find out something(unclear) but it is about everything that you already knew(unclear) because your mind is opening yourself toward something (unclear) Because you know you are not satisfied and there is a big pressure in your mind. ( unclear) And you have to see and find out (unclear) You should not be any of things that you already have been For example, go for transfer( unclear) You have been all kinds of things That materially possible(unclear) So one has to realize there is a big pressure; you seek something which you can’t achieve it by yourself, so you feel the pressure(unclear) Because you cannot (unclear) it, you get it itself, because, you cannot manage it that’s because you get the get pressure another lot of money because as you know (unclear) Because you can not get it by yourself, so you feel the pressure. And this pressure(unclear) You cannot say all your(unclear) But behind all these ones there is a piece of (unclear) Which satisfies all your(unclear) We have to understand ourselves first, (unclear) like you want to have a big house; (unclear) we can lots of money because as you know(unclear) (unclear) You cannot say that all your wants have been satisfied and have sense but behind all this wants, (unclear) there is the essence of that satisfactionfor all your need which satisfies all your(unclear) For example, you want to say Coca-cola, you want Pepsi cola, you want water, you want another kind of drink(unclear), that’s the principle If you want to find out what is the source of power. [7:25] In the same way, you are brought to Sahaj yoga for satisfying that principle of seeking So one thing should be clear to us that we can not do it on our own, that’s why we have the pressure(unclear) That’s why you are in tension as you call it(unclear) Moreover whatever we are seeking doesn't give us the satisfaction of the principle of satisfaction So for one to another, we are seeking(unclear) So you come to spirituality. You come to satisfaction of your spirit and there also you find you do not need to go shopping(unclear) You go from one to another (unclear), because in that also they are not seeking the satisfaction of seeking If they could value their seeking on this point, are we going towards the seeking which will give us complete satisfaction? Then maybe they will come to Sahaj. Because you must know that God has come to (unclear) Without it, you didn’t do anything about it The whole your being that you are is created without you being any involved(unclear) You get it for granted Imagine that all God has created(unclear) So you have done nothing about it and you got it and now that you are feeling the pressure you want to do something. Which you also must understand that you cannot get it which it is God that has to give you If you understand that because if God has to do it that God has created you, then you call it a spontaneous thing that has to happen within us. (unclear) [9:46-9:57] And this living happening in us by which Because if God had created you, then it has to be spontaneous (unclear) And when this seeking is completely satisfied? It will be satisfied when you will have the fulfilment of your(unclear) +that you understand why you are made what is the purpose of your life. Because if God had created you, then it has to be spontaneous And that you (unclear) That you understand why you were made, what is the purpose of your life? Before that, you will think with all desires and this and that. All they are just sitting on your head and making you run here run there and making you mad (unclear) because you are not riding the horse (unclear) So now you have to ask yourself But how about riding this horse of yours sometimes for a change (unclear) But how to get on top of the back of the horse(unclear), that is the technique of Sahaja yoga. But as we can see there is no Technique for sprouting the seed. How do you sprout the seed? (unclear) it is a living process(unclear) In the same way, you can also say that also (unclear) for us there is no technique I would say here is an instrument that has to be connected to the mains if you have to start (unclear) In the same way, you have to be connected to the mains If you have to make it work. (unclear) To give you the fulfilment of your patience/Vibrations. So what are we to do about it? But again what do we do with it? Again the question comes what can we do about it? How are we doing it? (unclear) [11:50-12:15] So then you (unclear)must be wise and last and the whole being within you has also created within you the instruments(unclear) energies that are higher within you(unclear) To understand some of these energies, you can see, because we have got so many systems (unclear)questioning system within us that is subtle system (unclear)which works out automatically through our nervous system. Automatically we call them autonomous nervous systems. We understand some of these energies, you can see, within us like a nervous system, which are (unclear) In the same way, there is complete programming which is arranged within us for our evolution and give us this chance of our sprouting our rebirth and is managing all these features. (unclear) of our future(unclear) Now if I say all the scriptures are correct, you are not going to believe me (unclear)because you have not read the scriptures in the light of the spirit. Now there is the spirit within us! If I say so, you should say that Mother (unclear) Just keep your self open and as I would say that there is in sulphur dioxide, sulphur and oxide. Keep your mind open and (unclear)[13:48-13:55] In the same way you, first of all, you just open your mind, then you can see for yourself what your answer is like. (unclear) [14:09-14:19] And then you can see in yourself whatever I am saying (unclear)which is very difficult even to make you(unclear) hear what I am saying(unclear) [14:19-14:48] Just keep your mind open (unclear) there is the residual force within us in the triangular bone (unclear) Which you can not (unclear). You cannot make something pulsating the triangular bone here at the basis of triangular bone. Can you? You can jump alright. You can shout, you can scream, you can do all these things, but can you make something pulsing at the base of the triangular bone? And these people had seen (unclear) and then you can see the pulsation starts(unclear) Imagine in the triangular bone as it rises up and it pierces through the bone (unclear)and you can find from this portion of your head becomes soft just like (unclear)a child. This is the real baptism, This is the rebirth that Shankara Charya has started. He had said that not by any so-called Yogas like jumping on your head and all these things you will gain sankya. Sankya is the philosophy(unclear) [16:06-16:19] He has clearly said (unclear) in all his books. Whatever he has described he has talked about the shakti within us which is the residual force in the triangular bone(unclear) Through the grace of the mother Just clearly said, all this bhoots among the Shakti within us which is the residual force in the triangular bone that preserve what is happening like a little(unclear) of the germinating of the seed(unclear) Even in the Bible or in the Quran any of these scriptures it is written that you are to be reborn again. Even in the (unclear), it is written: you are to be born again. But what is this reborn what is this rebirth within us, what is this happening of rebirth within us? You have to understand what should happen within us that luckily we are born in modern times and there are so many books (unclear) which are called as scriptures about this and describe the goddess Now these scriptures are absolutely (unclear)they have promised that this is going to happen and they are promises(unclear) but in this seeking thing(unclear) in the West what has happened that when there is the democracy(unclear) [17:52-18:20] T there is a demand of (unclear) where people went (unclear) demand the people but artificial like it and say this is (unclear)very common in the modern time's things like thieves (unclear) and that’s how we are enamoured by them. It is a sad thing that they are also human beings. They are deceiving themselves and deceiving others (unclear) As we have said, we cannot (unclear) Someone who is authorized needs to do it. So when such a statement is made immediately the human mind is so fragile But there are people saying that he's the one, he is the one who (unclear) The third person is the one. And a normal seeker gets (unclear) He doesn’t know which (unclear) To go But if you could realize that there is no shop. That you cannot purchase him in a shop. You cannot pay for him in a shop. If one can understand this small (unclear) he can work it out How much money do we pay for sprouting a seed? How many times do we stand on our head or hop to get a plant to sprout? Over thousands and thousands in this area (unclear) that are wanting to have flowers, which are getting transformed into fruits. There are thousands and thousands in this area only, Now how man fastings have you done for that, or shaven your heads or those things? It’s a simple thing some people shave their heads I said “Why?” he said that he becomes spiritually awakened. Why? Why should you shave your head for that? And then I have said that by shaving your hair if you are going to become spiritual, I am going to be reborn and what about the sheep which is shaved every year at least twice? He should be the most spiritual (unclear) In the same way, we think we will wear some kind of a dress and join some kind of society and say that we are spiritual human beings and by that, we will become spiritually awaken? (unclear) And by changing dresses or by following dresses or changing the colour of your dress if you can make even one seed sprouted (unclear) But when it comes to sprouting the seed, we don’t do all these things (unclear) [21:42-21:50] But they should be reborn But they become our own power we just leave it to good Another question comes is how to be reborn? (unclear) you should not be living a life of temperance, we should not you should not live a life of extreme behaviour (unclear) We should be tempered. And a time comes when a person will recognise how to do this, give his life (unclear) And it can be done And at the time that a person who is unauthorized do this to give (unclear) In Sahaja yoga, people think that is something new(unclear) A trend, one of the trends that have started. even they have seen what they have got(unclear) so it will work toward the Sahaj Even the seed has knowledge (unclear) Sahaja Yoga. When the seed becomes, gradually evolves say into an animal, then becomes a human being. Then the same (unclear) acts for its last evolutionary charge. Last evolutionary channel (unclear) So Sahaj yoga for human beings is very simple where you have got the residual force(unclear) and there are seven centres in you already prepared, well placed for this just to happen (unclear) And this happens for instance in such a gentle manner like that if you were (unclear) [23:26-23:35] This is one candle which is conveniently Prepared, and you have already a wick standing out. It is all, ready. It is all connected. And it works, it is all connected. And this candle, this candle is already enlightened, what you have to do is to just bring this candle near the other one(unclear) Now, what is the technique? The technique is already, this has been already done, has been placed there (unclear) and the candle is just ready, and as soon as it comes near that candle it is enlightened. Now, what has that candle lost by this? Or what is the obligation of that candle on this? Or how much this candle has to pay to get enlightened? Or to shave the head and all that nonsense (unclear) It just works automatically; you have seen just now. But supposing this thread that is inside it is halfway through, is not properly there some naughty boy has pulled it out, or you have done some mischief with it, then it stops. And it is too embarrassing and it drops(unclear) I just go automatically(unclear) But supposing that(unclear) is not properly there(unclear) somebody (unclear) Then it will be balanced and(unclear) So (Unclear) The Kundalini falls out. And I have felt that you (Unclear) What about me (Unclear) I am quite an expert in making candles. So do not worry about, about a candle being faulty and it does not work. And Here again one must understand, that there is no attitude of obliging you at all, no obligation. There is no (unclear) of any obligation at all. There is no repayment of any compensation because there is no obligation first. This has to enlighten another life, otherwise, it has no meaning. (unclear). God has to look after his creation. Because (unclear) look after you and to give you the realization Because it will have no meaning if his creation is He will jolly? well have to look after you and give you realisation Because he is going to lose his significance. You are part and parcel of that being and what you are finding is nothing but your wholesomeness It is only a finger which is numb. That's it. And by rubbing a little bit it starts to wake and become one with the circulation and is automatically connected and is feeling all the pains and everything. In the same way, you are a little bit numb because you have been severed. For example, if I cut this finger it will have no connection, but if I again join it back it will(unclear) You have no connection again joining path (unclear) starts in the same way you are an (unclear)special technique of God almighty by which you raised your heads, and by raising this head you have somehow put the energy into (unclear)(mother earth) in such a way (unclear) that it had created two forces within you called ego and superego. And when they cover each other, overlap each other, you become a separate entity that (unclear) (unclear) Mr X Mr y. This is done just to make you absolutely free and well developed and matured. (unclear) For this last happening, and when this happens, then know that you are evolved more. That you have evolved to the highest. So far has never been. How you became from monkeys to this stage at the level of humans(unclear) can you know that? Monkeys do not know so that they have to become human. But that's why God has given to you. And that is why one has to understand this especially (unclear) To decide what is right, what is wrong which will mature us, mature, mature, mature Beside(unclear) mature children, mature people who will inherit this powers and then he exposed us to his power and that starts to (unclear) and then and that is the last heart(unclear) For that there is a (unclear) In your heart which is known as the spirit in Sanskrit is called Atma. And this spirit it watches you throughout whatever you are doing. And whatever you are doing, whatever you have done before your seeking also(unclear) In your seeking also it has recorded in this residual force in your triangular bone. It is all recorded. So when the kundalini awakens inside, this tape recording starts showing. Like if this (unclear) Has got in between somewhere water you can see the weakness in the boards. In the same way, you start showing (unclear) In the same way, it starts showing on the fingers of other people who are doing this. That sees his kundalini has stopped at this point in the body. and this is the point you can see clearly. If you can clear this point somehow, (unclear) if there is a technique like that, then you can raise the kundalini higher and higher and higher and that can be (unclear) You can say that the Sahaja Yoga, the happening will take place (unclear) or: while the happening takes place you cannot explain? Like that you cannot explain the technique of how a seed sprouts. But you know how to (unclear) How to put the tree in the proper line. How to trim it. How to bring it to a certain height. (unclear) Whether to cut it at this point or not. That all (unclear) Is that is the technique of Sahaja Yoga? So here we are combined with God(unclear). we become one with this all-pervading power. His power starts flowing through you, emitting through our spirit, and you can see that smooth pulsation. And when then this dynamic force starts flowing, we become one with the whole, the circulation of the whole starts through you with (unclear) And you can feel other peoples (unclear) On your fingers. and when this dynamic force starts the circulation and you can feel the (unclear) Not like this, that I don't like her because she wears a particular type of dress. It is not that. Its actually feeling it on your hands (unclear) This is what one has to happen (unclear) And this what we call the combination of our creation(unclear) which is what has to happen in the whole world, the whole humanity. And this is what in us Then make it absolutely, you make it your own This is what we call, it's the culmination of our creation. You have done a lot of work on the collective consciousness, on the collective unconscious. That there is a collective unconscious which guides us in our dreams giving us (unclear) This our collective unconscious is unconscious because our attention has not yet entered it. But after realization, the same unconscious becomes consciousness, because it has started or happened (unclear)and you start feeling it through your central nervous system, actually feeling it. Then make it absolutely stable. To make it your own how have to correct your (unclear) Body, mind and emotions, which is created by five elements. You actually feel the actualization of (unclear) Body, mind and emotions which is created by 5 elements. (unclear) reduce it align it You have to properly adjust yourself if you have too much of one element in you have to reduce it. For example, if you have too much of light, light in your head it means you are egoistical (unclear) If there is too much air in your head then you have to use this air, that is outside to take away the surplus. All the five elements that have created the centres, can be corrected manually adjusted, balanced, put into complete coordination and integration by the technique of Sahaja Yoga. Is that you have to become that. Manually of it, you can do it, but the first and foremost thing is that they have to be in contact. If there is no light in this darkness what work am I going to do? So first of all the light has to come within you and then you start correcting yourself (unclear) and becoming completely integrated. This is the blessing (unclear) And the attitude towards the English Is very different than the attitude towards the (unclear) And the attitude toward yourself is so different and attitude towards(unclear) In the shop, if you go and the person doesn't give you what you want then (unclear) "It is alright I have paid for this and it is written like this, you have advertised like this and I am not doing it so you better do" If I say after why, where did you get it? Did you steal it or what did you do it and bring it here? the whole grace of it vanishes. Or if she brings it to me I will ask her did you go in the market to buy? From where did you get it? Or did you get it from the corner, yeah alright, now call (unclear) When you say that you are looking to pay for it, just think of me. I mean it's a very common experience of money. You see they have gone to America first and they said "Mother, you must charge people otherwise they have no interest" I said, "I don't want to." Such foolish people who want to pay for their gift. If I am giving them something of value, how can you pay for it? Instead unless and until you pay for it they will have no use. I said, "I don't want." I cant (unclear) About such people. I think it is insulting to me. What can you gain from that? I give it because of my (unclear) You say you are going to pay for it just think of it If you can pay for it then it doesn't have any value What you can give for my love? You can just love. It's a very difficult topic to understand. You cannot understand now this pure love, and that is joy. Once the kundalini rises(unclear) and pierces the Sahasrara, you enter into the realm of god, (unclear)you enter into collective consciousness means you get the power of Others kundalinis (unclear) Actually, you know it in a sense that it becomes your own knowledge. Even a child can say that Mother I am catching here that's hot, my left heart is catching. See even a little child (unclear). Born realised children know that. At a very young age, they can tell you where is the problem. You do not know who are born realised, who are not, you do not (unclear) Right person or wrong person. How can you make up? Because you haven’t got the light within Without the light, how will you have self-knowledge? So you have to have the light to see yourself. When you have the self-knowledge, you have the knowledge of others This is the first thing that happens to you. And then when you become the spirit it's a thing that gives you the joy which finishes your seeking. When the spirit starts emitting joy. Its nature is joy, whole its nature is love, its whole nature joy. When it spreads through … How much joy … We can't imagine a human being who wants to give joy. If a flower which is not that aware is anxious to give you the joy with its colour and its fragrance That is the nature of the spirit which wants to give joy wants to make everyone joyous, by awakening their spirit that is the source of joy to make everyone joyous And then, when we who understood (unclear)superego are sucked in Who is sucked in, then the peace of the witness resides and starts seeing things like the drama (unclear) So beautiful? The joy of the creation just becomes one, because there is no thought at all, you just watch it, without any thought. When there is a thought you always think how much time past, how life is, is a headache al the time. But there is not thought and a complete vision. It sees you seek, it sees you are. If you are asking for that (unclear) Whatever is possible (unclear) Make your spirit (unclear) But if you are asking for something else, I am sorry, I can’t help Like India, there is one guru who, who gives you diamonds … they say that (unclear) One diamond with 8 karats. Somebody came to me I said “I have no diamonds, but there is a diamond within you, only the light has to fall on it, and then you will let the light of that diamond spark. And that diamond is such, that nobody can steal it, nobody can touch. And when that diamond touches any other personality, the diamond in that personality shines.” So it depends on the (unclear) In the West I must say we have very powerful seekers, very high quality of seekers, but they are lost because of their social problems, family problems, another problem like over reading, being into the wrong(unclear) While in India they do not have that seeking, but they are born in a country full of divine vibrations and they cannot feel it. So it is like somebody who has the teeth but no food and someone who has food has no teeth. … Be kind to yourself. Be kind to yourself. You have already tortured yourself, too much of torture. Please stop it and be kind to yourself, love yourself. God has created your life (unclear)Understand its value and don’t waste it. This is my message May God bless you So the thing is, this is also an (unclear) Because when we do something. We through our ego think that we are doing it For example, … So when they sat in the plane they put all the luggage on their heads saying that we are carrying Ganesha. In the same way, we are carrying the luggage on our heads. The one who has created, the one who has made you a human being, the one who has placed all the (unclear) Within you (unclear) Everything. Is a myth. And the more you identify with the myth the more you (unclear) These days it's a fashion to be guilty what are you guilty about I don't understand that gods love can't forgive. He's an ocean, an ocean of love. But why dwell on all these nonsensical things. Give him a chance. This is all a myth. It’s a myth. It’s the ego that says that I do this and I do that animals don’t behave like that. They don’t have an ego. They don’t think that I have done bad karmas or good karma. It comes through our own agencies, that we are a municipality that says we shouldn’t do this shouldn’t do that. Then we have all other such (unclear) People saying you shouldn’t do this shouldn’t do that. All the time we think “oh, we are doing all the time wrong.” As children, we don't think it is wrong, but as we grow older and older we start thinking it is wrong. Alright (unclear) In the way that you hinder the progress of others, you hinder also your own progress by such destruction. But that can be corrected. You are a solid (unclear) I haven’t met anybody so powerful that you … Not one person who is not been able to fix I mean the repairing shop is so strong, and also the instrument is very strong. It has never failed so far, so why should you worry, just (unclear) And let us have it. It’s a very, very simple proposition. Let us have question and answers Question You become silent in yourself, enjoying that peace Conditions and the thins start flowing to others through you. You carry Laughing Like tiger like a dog sometimes But this life is not about physical wellbeing or mental wellbeing The light This you really enjoy and everything you do is Q.Enjoying something R. you have to understand there is a complete mechanism in us and complete And whole What I didn't tell you, because suppose you But suppose That is why first go to Q.How much time we have R. You don’t know how much time And in between sometimes But in spite of that, you have thousands of realized souls and no one can Sahaja yoga but even understand each other Q.( a man) Seven centres These are within us and triangular bone In 3 and a half coil, this is the germinating force which has to rise through the 6 centres. T These are the six This is the centre which the pelvic plexus which 4 one of the sub plexus is This chakra will help to hold the kundalini because here resides our innocence in the last chakra our innocence And the embodiment of the innocence is the Christ And here is the as Shri Ganesha because of she as Shri Christ late Why is important Now unless you are raising in the sense that you can not pass through this chakra That means you can not when you are getting It means also kundalini awakening you become innocence It also means that kundalini Because kundalini is the mother Is such a that you So it is important to understand that you can not achieve That’s why a good life a married life The second chakra that is Swadishthana chakra 6 petals which have the creativity and also this chakra help for future When you think about this chakra When you think so much this chakra, plan too much and other activities So those people who think too much That is also because is too much when you This manifests the right If you use the right all the time planning, then the left side can loose And such a person run too much And he I can’t feel love, happiness I asked rally can't you feel anything he said no! Heart I can’t not my children I can not my wife I am running all the time I said that’s why. Because you are running too much That your emotional side Running for what? And such people can get heart cancer The left side is for your emotions Starts not bothering about your emotional life you can become a horrid person. And if you use too much the tendency of Angry and They can have the right side They can become lunatic They become that then (laugh) There is a chair Because It is called nabhi chakra and outside The physical level and it looks after the ten commandments which are Socrate, Nanaka another Janaka is another all these primordial masters All these primordial masters came to this earth to tell us about the balance within us and also is the source of the evolution Where we start amoeba transforming into When they Reptiles rise their body higher and higher because they want to have So to the animal kingdom is the stomach But when they go higher into the right side the same centre Shri ram is the centre into the human being For social life and he is the one the ideal This is the centre for your fatherhood Or if you are This cent re Left-hand side centre This centre where spirit and the centre one is the one since the age of kali yuga The antibody in us which later on in life goes into body and Go to the circulation And this is the centre of the Mother creates antibody in us Antibodies within us and she prepare to live this world When this centre is a spoiled sense of security Those people Get asthma This centre here is the centre is called Vishuddhi and manifest itself serves 16 petals and it controls here tongues And cheeks and also the balls of the eyes It is a very very important centre You start developing this ego and superego Emotional on the left-hand side Create ego and superego and This is the centre Is the centre And that point Which controls our ego and superego and Center of the Outside is presented As Shri Ganesha Which has called Ekadasha with 16 destroying powers In the beginning, we have to just When kundalini raises Take the name of And you will be amazed until and unless Like you are going to So somebody tells you You tell them That somebody It is the first and You are Mr. z In the same way These are the At the Highest She is the one who opens this centre So these are all these seven cent re So Christ said those who are not against me are with me Who has come just You could have been Better for me But don’t feel hurt If I am the heart you are You should Experience Cool breeze now? What about you? Don’t worry Now it's a clear-out What about you sir? But not in your hands Is there any problem there? sit down sit down no matter you got it what about it works in no time you didn’t listen to my lecture what about you? A. Would you put your hands toward me? Hands the nerves Maybe sometimes If I know What about you? Laugher See that’s it Let see them What about you? On both of hands? Good What about you? So close your eyes and enjoy this Agnya right or left Did you go to PM also? So put your hand Sit here and close your eyes, just close your eyes and you feel better

7/24/1979

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We have to seek our wholesomeness

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Public program "We have to seek our wholesomeness". Caxton Hall, London (UK). 24 July 1979. Yesterday, I met a lady, and she told me that she was seeking God. I said, "What do you think of God, what are you seeking?" When we say we are seeking, do we know what are we supposed to seek, and do we understand how we are going to feel our seeking complete, that we have reached the destination? As last time, I told you that seeking has to be genuine, from a genuine heart, and that you cannot purchase, or you cannot put in effort about it. But today I would like to tell you what are we seeking. Let us see how the seeking comes within us, from where? As shown here, there is a center called as Nabhi chakra, which is here in the center [INAUDIBLE], Nabhi chakra, which is placed in our spinal chord, and manifests the solar plexus which is placed mid- way under your navel. This is the center that creates the seeking within us. Seeking is only possible when something is living. For example, what is the seeking of this chair? It cannot think, it cannot move, you can put it here or you can put it on the street. You can smash it and throw it away, again use that wood for some other purpose or make a stool out of it. It has no seeking of any kind. Only when a thing becomes a living being like a ameba you can take a uni-cellular egg. It starts manifesting seeking because it is supposed to seek. Not the dead. So those who say we are not seeking are as good as dead. Those who say we are seeking are living and also kicking. The little bit if you understand that a desire is created within a little animal, called as amoeba, by giving him hunger. Just think of it. It has no brain. It has a just a small nucleus but it can feel it is hungry. It has to eat something to grow. It also knows it has to reproduce and then it starts seeking. It also knows how to take the food in, but it does not know how it digests. That part is not his job. Even for us just the same. So the seeking starts in a little ameba and the whole evolution is based on that seeking, gradually improving and improving the ways and means of seeking, while the desire is that of food only, alone. There is also another desire or, you can say, an emotion, in the smallest of ameba is a sense of preservation. It knows the dangers that can finish his existence. When this little ameba becomes a human being, in thousands and thousands of years, then the seeking is changed. In the beginning it starts, of course the food seeking is still there, that's the basis, you must have food to begin with. Of course the methods are improved, changed, evolved for the seeking of food, but there is also a great understanding of how to preserve yourself and your clan. The clubbing starts from a very early age, even ants understand that. So they understand that we all have to club together, unite together, integrate together, if we have to protect ourselves. And this seeking of wholesomeness also develops gradually in the human beings and the expressions of that is, you can see, all our efforts to preserve ourselves and to be clubbed together. These efforts are expressed in our political and in our economic enterprises. Now in the human being a new seeking starts: is to have power over others. Animals do not seek power, they have. For example a tiger is much more powerful than, say, a poor rabbit. He is born like that. And a rabbit does not want to become a tiger. He does not try like every Dick, Tom and Harry would like to become a prime minister. But a rabbit would not try to be a tiger, he understands "I am a rabbit and I must develop my means of defenses and my means of offences by which I exist." In the same way the tiger acts, he is aware of his powers and also he is aware of his limitations. And some of the animals also have a power of leadership in them. They become leaders. You must have seen some birds that they have a leader, one leader going and wherever that leader changes the direction, all of them change as if they are like the tail of that leader. In the same way, the same way that goes that bird goes, the leader goes all of them follow. So, this also is expressed in human being in a very big way that there are some born leaders who lead a group of people to some destination in which they fulfill the seeking of that group. Now the seeking of the groups could be money, mostly it is. Now money animals don't understand, this is the creation of human beings only. So, for them money becomes very important because it is their own creation. We had barter systems, but then we thought it is better to have some sort of a medium which will convert one good into another, so we start the money. So, the focus of man's attention from food goes to power and from power to money. Sometimes if somebody has lots of money, then he wants to have power. It's but natural. There is nothing wrong in it, as such. Fundamentally, it is a thing which is natural for human beings to run after money and then run after power or vice versa. But beyond that starts another seeking, is the seeking of knowing why are we here? What are we doing here? What is the purpose of our life? Why God has created us? To what purpose, to what end or it is just a joke going around? Are we just foolishly being born, getting married, having children and dying like ameba? Or have we any other purpose? Many human beings do not go beyond money or health, they want good health. I mean animals don't take any exercises as far as I know. But human beings can go to any extent to preserve their health, but for what? I mean, you may be a wrestler, for what? Just to fight each other? You might be the healthiest person living on this earth, but for what? You are just a waste. What is your use? You may be the wealthiest man going in the best cars and the whatever you may call it, all the so-called luxuries of life and material well-being, but for what? When such a question comes into our mind the new kind of seeking starts, which asks the question, why are you here? Are you here just to run in this rat race morning till evening, earning money and earning power and doing all useless activities, pleasing others to show off your money or to extract some money from others? Is that the aim of your life? Now this is the beginning of the fourth enquiry, or the fourth dimension in your awareness. This enquiry is also the flowering of the same rudimentary thing called as hunger: hunger for spirituality, hunger for God, hunger for higher things of life. It starts within us, that I call is the genuine happening. In this seeking, we get confused, because by the time this seeking starts in you, you are already famished and finished. How? Because you are already conditioned by all kinds of nonsensical things going on. You may be calling yourself a British or a Indian or some sort of an Australian or I don't know all sorts of things that people call themselves, but in the eyes of God, you are just a human being, You are, I mean you don't have a tail to begin with, and you don't have your head bent down like this you have your head upright. Whether you are in Africa or India, or in England or America, it's just the same. As long as your head is up like that and you don't have a tail (of course some people must be having, the way they behave), you are definitely a human being. And if a human being if he is evolved through various experiences of life and realizes that none of these experiences have really given him the fulfillment and the answer to his question "Why are we here?" then the turning point takes place in his life, and he becomes a seeker. Not before that. Those who go to gurus and say, "Mother, will you please give a job to my son," then you don't know what to say, you should say to such a person, "Now my child, you are not yet fit, you are not yet mature to come down yet." Or if you go to someone to ask for, say, a diamond ring. Or anyone says that I give diamond ring in the name of God, and you are quite satisfied with such an answer, then you are no good as a seeker, no good. Useless for Sahaj Yoga specially. Or somebody who says, "I will cure you" and for [SOUNDS LIKE curative] you go to someone - alright, the person may cure you, but you are no good as a seeker. Why should God cure anyone who is not seeking God? I mean, why should I repair this instrument if it is not going to carry my voice? Or else some of you, if you go to a guru, and if he tells you a story like this, that you have to pay me some money for this, because if you don't pay me money you cannot be involved into this kind of a thing, you better slap such a guru on his face and tell him that "What do you think of me?" It's complete indignity to your seeking. He wants to involve you through taking money from you. Can't you see that he is insulting you by saying that you are such a materialist, that when you give me money then only you will be attached to seeking of God? Just think of it. All such arguments people give you and if you accept them and if you follow such gurus you cannot mature for seeking. As you have to be genuine, you have to be wise to understand that you are seeking your fulfillment. You are not seeking money and diamond rings and these tomfooleries that are going on and you are not there to witness them and these foolish magical tricks of people, but you are going to witness the magic of God. Then in the seeking also you must know that if God is the universal being, anybody who professes that we are the chosen ones and nobody else can be a chosen one or he was the only prophet and he was the only God and because you belong to some organization, it is nothing but absurd fanaticism and ugliness. Do not deceive yourself. Please try to understand: self-deception will never be forgiven by God. Ameba, does he deceive himself if he sees the food there, does he? Or a lion or even a frog, it has such a little brain. It understand what it is seeking, Will he deceive himself? But human beings deceive themselves morning till evening. We have to seek God. We have to seek our fulfillment. We have to relate to that wholesomeness that is God, the primordial being. The whole of it, this is what we have to seek. You are created for that. If you study a little fetus in the womb of the mother, you will be amazed that the whole of the fetus is looked after by the navel cord from the mother, and though all the portions of the fetus are not yet fully developed as to get connected with the brain completely from the very beginning, still through one channel it is fed, looked after, managed. Then the child is removed from the mother when the child is born, and gradually all the sensations and co-ordinations of all these different sensory organs and organs of motion and organs of automatic functions are created gradually, very gradually, as he starts growing. But once the connections are established, a human being starts acting. On his own the whole body acts together; it knows when it is pinched. Here in the finger the whole body knows that you are pinched, the whole knows about what has happened. The whole connection is established. It's a living process, it's a growing process which works out. But with human beings there is a very big problem. The biggest problem I would say that they are always identified with imperfections, with wrong ideas and only in the human being these things happen, that's why one has to be careful. Dog can smell better than you do, and it knows what to eat, what not to eat. You don't know. You don't know what is a real guru and a dirty guru and horrible guru and a vicious man. You cannot make out. Somebody runs out of the jail, he wears a dress, comes to England, "I am the guru" - great, and thousands will be running. They don't know and the more he has, the better it is. But there is a way. God has already placed that within yourself. For your growth he has placed within you, only He is testing your genuineness but if you are so obstinate as to stick on to some misidentified nonsensical things you cannot work it out. Be free from all these things, open out yourself. You all have to be aware of the whole. You all have to get self-realization. Though by that, God will feel your fulfillment of His creation, no doubt, and He has to do it, He will do it, but He'll have to work very hard. And still and still if you do not accept the truth, then the truth will be expressed, no doubt, but then, the untruth has to be destroyed. And at that time, those who are identified with untruth will be also destroyed. Before that, take heed to your wisdom and know what we have to seek? We have to seek our wholesomeness, which we have partially expressed in our political and economical and social clubs. All this has to be integrated, all the great religions which have been [SOUNDS LIKE profounded] in the growth of human beings, which have substantially helped in the growth of human beings, which are the substratum of their living, has to be integrated in that habit. For example, I meet supposing a Hindu, then he says, "Mother, how do You talk of Christ? We don't believe in Christ." Now you are a very great person not to believe in Christ. Who are you not to believe in Christ? What do you think of yourself? What do you mean by saying that you don't believe in Christ? Do you know it is blasphemous to say such horrible things about any great incarnation on this earth?" There are some who say, "We do not believe in Moses, or in Guru Nanaka or in Mohammed-Sahib." Who are you? I don't believe, I don't believe. What is your belief? On what it is based? Why do you say such things? What do you know about them? Only by going to churches or going to these mosques or going to these synagogues. They are blind making you blind. What have you achieved but nothing but stark fanaticism? It's a disease. It's sickness. (I am not sure that I have closed the inverted commas in the correct place in the last paragraph. MG) Just come in the Kingdom of God, and you will see that they are all seated there on the dais, they are all together and you like fools are fighting. Did they ever say that, for example, when Christ came did He say that Moses was wrong, did He say so? When Nanaka came, did He say that Mohammed was wrong? Did anyone of these great saints say so? Then who are you to denounce them? This is one of the greatest hurdles of so-called seekers. Then they are identified with their gurus. I asked them one question, "If you are so much identified with your guru, go ahead with them; why do you come to Me?" "I come to You, Mother, because I am suffering from asthma, since I went to that guru." "Then ask him to cure you. Why do you come to Me? If your guru has given you whatever you wanted, why should you come to Me? If he is a real guru, I would see it written large on your face. I can make it out and I'll worship that man who is a real guru. I will go all out to meet such a person and I will regard him as the greatest blessing for Me also, but they are very few and all hidden in the Himalayas or some places from where they do not speak. Nobody listens to them. They are very few. One of them tried to go to America; within five days he was back in India. He wrote to me saying, 'Mother, very difficult.'" Because you are identified with games, with playing games, you like people who play games with you. You do not like people who tell you the truth. This is it. You have to have it but you must know is the concern. How can anybody who loves you can tell you something that is detrimental or injurious or absolutely dangerous for you? They will not tell you, those who are fake will never tell you about anyone. They will say every thing is fine on the other side of the earth, till somebody genuine comes up. They are not going to say a word about it, take it from Me. So in your seeking first of all your misidentifications must drop out. You are so misidentified with so many things, like people would say, "Why should we follow Christ - He was a Jew." I mean, He has to be born in some place somewhere. And as it happens you have to belong to some religion somewhere. You have to be born in England or you have to be born in India, or maybe in Timbuktu. I mean, you have to be born in some place. So the rest of them say "No." And those who live there also say, "He is no good because he was just born like us here." They want somebody to drop from heaven. It is so funny. So for us, those who are genuine seekers, must open their mind fully and if you want to waste your time, go ahead; you go ahead with your gurus, go on wondering their marvels, giving them money, giving them your women, giving them your property, giving them everything that you have, getting sick, mad, ending up in lunatic asylum, I will not say "Come, my child, come to Me". But even then from the lunatic asylum also if you realize your mistakes and come, then God is the ocean of forgiveness. But from the very beginning I have to warn you, all such people are wasting their time and My time. So please all such people who are still very much misidentified, please do not trouble Me with their arguments too much. Because always I find that they are supposed to be true seekers like the lady yesterday and she started telling Me, "Have you read this book?" and "Have you read that book?" I said, "I would, but by reading that I do not find anything in you. You have read them, what have you achieved? Have you achieved anything?" Nothing. "Have you seen this guru and that guru and that guru and that guru?" I said, "Maybe, but what about you, what have you got?" She has asthma. One eye is blown off, she cannot sit, she has got a rigid body because she says she has rheumatism. She is actually possessed. And there she is a seeker and then she asks Me a question, "Mother, I am a seeker and why should God be so unkind to me?" "You did not use your wisdom, my child." Even today, take heed to wisdom, and know that thy God loves you with all His heart, with all His soul whether you love Him or not. He has placed this seeking within you. He has placed all these instruments within you. He has placed all the things so beautifully that spontaneously it works in no time. But people are such, they come for Realization and if I tell them "All right, you come and sit near Me." "No, won't sit." "You please take out your shoes", "No, I wouldn't take out my shoes." There are many like that. Even if you tell them "Why don't you sit down with both the feet like this because you will be relaxed, you see." There are many more reasons for what I say, why I say so. But still "No, why should I do?" There are certain things which are very important for Self-realization if you want to have it. You better do that. The whole attitude should be of understanding, that here you have to take from Me something. It's a gift for you, and there should be no obstinacy about taking this gift. I mean, that we do not do in normal courses. If there is a gift for us, then we do not become obstinate about it. Do we? Do the human beings become obstinate when there is a gift coming in? But only when it comes to God they wouldn't even take out their shoes. It's such a great thing you are asking for, which is the flowering of your seeking from ameba stage to human stage. In the human stage also thousands of years you have been seeking and today when you are at the threshold of it, why are you obstinate? I say in Sahaja Yoga you get your Self-realization. No money is to be given or taken. As a by-product, you get your health alright. Of course, your material things also are all right. Many things improve as a blessing of Sahaja Yoga. But the real thing that happens to you is that you get self-knowledge. You get Self-realization. That there is light enlightened within you, and you start seeing yourself, your centers and the centers of others because you also get contacted with the whole, you get your wholesomeness. This is what Sahaja Yoga has to offer to you and if you want to have that, please have it. The rest of it is just a by-product, because if there is a light you do not falter, you walk straight. You don't say, "My legs improved because there were lights." No. "My eyesight improved because of my light. Because there were no light there was a problem." As soon as there is a light everything becomes alright and you start understanding the whole, you know how the whole thing is and you start walking straight and you know where to sit, and what is the chair and what is the person. This is what you are seeking, then you are a seeker and you are a true seeker and you are to be blessed and it's My job to see to it that you reach there. You get your own powers, not of your guru but of your own. And that you understand yourself you get your self-knowledge and the knowledge of the whole. But if you are not that, My children, I am sorry, you are still a baby in the seeking, you have to still grow more, and grow more, and then you come to Me when you are grown enough. Otherwise it's a headache to work on a person like that, or to give them Self-realization or anything whatsoever. They are using sometimes Sahaja Yoga for curing people. You do get cured, no doubt. Even cancer can be cured with Sahaja Yoga. It can be. It can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga. That's the point in it. But again it will come back to you. We cannot promise, guarantee anything. Unless and until you rise in Sahaja Yoga and become the master of Sahaja Yoga we cannot guarantee. You may get back the disease again. Why should God not have a sense of giving for something as you have? He loves you, no doubt. He wants to give you because He loves you, but if you are wayward and if you are prodigal by nature, why should He continue to give you is a simple question that you should ask yourself and then ask for realization, you'll get it. After getting it also there is a period of doubts because first you get thoughtless awareness, which is called as Nirvichar Samadhi. When we say awareness in the normal terminology, it means alertness to anything is awareness. But when we say samadhi it means enlightened awareness. You get thoughtless enlightened awareness. And then you get doubtless enlightened awareness. The stage between the two in some people is so little that they just are there. I have some people here who just got it and are there. They don't pass through these two stages. But there are mediocre and there are also absolutely bullock carts I would call them, they cannot move with the time of the jet. In these modern times, imagine a bullock cart being pulled by a jet - big problem. But if you are of that caliber and that quality you get both the stages just like that. There is no doubt after that. But then there are some who get into doubts. I don't know what they doubt here. They had the experience, they feel the vibrations coming, they see cool breeze flowing through them. They see it working on others. They see the pulsation of the Kundalini, the rising of the Kundalini. They're getting better in health and everything improving. Still they are doubting and wasting their time. And everything is delayed, their cure is delayed, everything is delayed because of that. Alright, so we have here jet planes, we have here supersonics, we have missiles, and we have also bullock carts. See, it takes lot of things to make this world, isn't it? And so I take everything. All right. With all My love I engulf them. But I would request you not to slow your progress like that. What are you doubting is the question, that I do not want anything. If you are paying for something, then you should doubt it. You are not paying for anything. What are you doubting? What am I to gain from you? But still so many of them sometimes come and tell me, "Mother, now we are doubting." I say, "Alright, go on, when your doubts will be over, you do come and see Me." That's how it is. I would request you to try to tell your mind that you have done all kinds of things. You have been to all sorts of gurus. You have been to all sorts of nonsensical books and you have been to all kinds of doubts. Now settle down for a while. Settle down. Tell your mind not to mislead you, and get it. This is your own; this is your own property; this is your own right to be there. So get it, and if any doubts are coming, tell them to wait for a while. May God bless you all. I don't mind answering your questions at all. I would love to answer them. But my experience is when you tell them to ask a question they speak like possessed people. They have certain things, kinks in their heads and they come out with it. And they would not bother that Mother has little time to give realization to others, such a great thing has to be done and they'll take out from somewhere something small and will go on harping on it and disturbing all the others and taking the time being very, very selfish. And then the quarrel starts which [INAUDIBLE ] to answer their questions there are some here who will say that I have too much patience with all of them. And I try to give all the answers, as far as possible, so I will try to answer. But if you are just fond of talking, talking, talking, then I am really tired, I would request you to get your Realization, settle down with truth and glorify your being because you are glorified by God, the Lord who has created you. If you have any questions you can ask but as I have said it be careful that you are not disturbing others and asking foolish, stupid, useless questions. [The following was on my recording but not done by the transcribing team. MG] Question: [INAUDIBLE ] Shri Mataji: This is a very easy question, Madam, and I don't think I should answer at this stage, why? Because this question you ask yourself and you'll get the answer, alright? Questioner: But I have got an answer [INAUDIBLE ] Shri Mataji: Now see ... Alright, I'll tell you one thing, alright? The question is alright, this comes to everyone, when they see Me they ask such a question, but I'm little tactful, I would say, because when Christ said, "I am the light, I am the path", what did you do to Him? Questioner: INAUDIBLE Shri Mataji: Yes, he said so, so what did you do to Him for that? (Inaudible reply from questioner) Alright, you did not but others did, alright? When Krishna said, "I am the One you should follow, I am the One you should surrender to", what did you do to Him - did He tell anyone else? He just told Adjuna - why? (Inaudible response from questioner) Then what's the use of telling you about it also? Let Me work it out, then you will know. It's better you come in the light and see Me, alright? And see yourself. So, that's what let us do because this is a question which can be answered in the light. Like you can say, "Is there a charge, or not?" (Inaudible reply from questioner) Alright ... alright. Yes, now, as a guru is a guide to that God within you. To become that because that God in you is away from your attention. Your attention is not speaking to the God's kingdom. Your attention is away from Him and this is a method by which the attention rises and becomes one with that spirit which is in your heart, which is knowing you, which is understanding you, which is correcting you, also guiding you and protecting you, but you are not there, you, the one you are today is your attention is not there and that's why you are not yet collectively conscious. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) No, it's alright, but your attention is not. See the difference! For example, my brain, alright, has its attention, say for example, on my finger, alright? But my finger has no attention on my brain. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) You see the reality can only become there by being there. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) No, you cannot, unless and until you become the reality. You have to become [INAUDIBLE interruption] No, then you see you are not there, you can see only see Caxton Hall from outside. When you come inside, do you see the whole hall? (Inaudible interruption from questioner) That's true, but you have not become ... you are seeing from outside, you are not inside. You have to enter in, that's why. You see, you have not yet entered it. You are there, but you have not yet entered it. That's why it is said you have to enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to be re-born. Your awareness has not entered into it. Once it is entered, then you'll be amazed, then you will be able to feel everybody else's centers and you will know what they are inside, where is the problem and you will know also where is the problem with this. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) Who? I don't want to say that, I am very tactful, but there is something about Me, no doubt, which you will find out - there must be something ... (Inaudible intervention from questioner) Alright? So let us have it. It's true, there must be something, but I do not want to say something now - some of them know and you will also know it, and you will also know the whole thing, but gradually let it work out. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) Christ told His disciples who never believed it till He resurrected [INAUDIBLE ] and today I tell you anything, you will not believe Me, I do not want to make you useless, so you first get your realization and then you'll know. First you know yourself and then [INAUDIBLE ] Let us have it now, alright? (Inaudible intervention from questioner) I know, yes, that's why I said your attention is not there. Of course, no doubt about it. Yes, that much I must accept. I have to accept and [SOUNDS LIKE boast] many things, I know, but I'm little scared of that! Alright? Shri Mataji: [speaks in an Indian language with another questioner] He has asked Me a simple question which is a very sincere question. He said, "How are we to believe there was Shri Krishna or Christ, and this and that?" That also is another very important question, is that how are we to believe that They were there? Was He, were They there or not? Now this is a question, which, o.k. isn't it I don't know tactfully if it is correct or not but I would like to tell you that these centers, all these chakras, have got all these deities in them about which I have been telling you. Christ is here, and Krishna is here. (Interruption) Now, just a minute, just a minute. Now, how do you know if they are there or not? Is the point. When you get your self-realization you will find that from your hand a cool breeze will start flowing. You'll become that, then you will enquire how it has happened. It has happened because these centers (recording becomes inaudible in patches as Mother has probably moved away from the microphone to point to the various chakras on the chart) ... top part of your head ... here, at the fontanel bone area ... and then you start feeling the cool breeze ... After that, you'll be amazed ...

Public program "We have to seek our wholesomeness". Caxton Hall, London (UK). 24 July 1979. Yesterday, I met a lady, and she told me that she was seeking God. I said, "What do you think of God, what are you seeking?" When we say we are seeking, do we know what are we supposed to seek, and do we understand how we are going to feel our seeking complete, that we have reached the destination? As last time, I told you that seeking has to be genuine, from a genuine heart, and that you cannot purchase, or you cannot put in effort about it. But today I would like to tell you what are we seeking. Let us see how the seeking comes within us, from where? As shown here, there is a center called as Nabhi chakra, which is here in the center [INAUDIBLE], Nabhi chakra, which is placed in our spinal chord, and manifests the solar plexus which is placed mid- way under your navel. This is the center that creates the seeking within us. Seeking is only possible when something is living. For example, what is the seeking of this chair? It cannot think, it cannot move, you can put it here or you can put it on the street. You can smash it and throw it away, again use that wood for some other purpose or make a stool out of it. It has no seeking of any kind. Only when a thing becomes a living being like a ameba you can take a uni-cellular egg. It starts manifesting seeking because it is supposed to seek. Not the dead. So those who say we are not seeking are as good as dead. Those who say we are seeking are living and also kicking. The little bit if you understand that a desire is created within a little animal, called as amoeba, by giving him hunger. Just think of it. It has no brain. It has a just a small nucleus but it can feel it is hungry. It has to eat something to grow. It also knows it has to reproduce and then it starts seeking. It also knows how to take the food in, but it does not know how it digests. That part is not his job. Even for us just the same. So the seeking starts in a little ameba and the whole evolution is based on that seeking, gradually improving and improving the ways and means of seeking, while the desire is that of food only, alone. There is also another desire or, you can say, an emotion, in the smallest of ameba is a sense of preservation. It knows the dangers that can finish his existence. When this little ameba becomes a human being, in thousands and thousands of years, then the seeking is changed. In the beginning it starts, of course the food seeking is still there, that's the basis, you must have food to begin with. Of course the methods are improved, changed, evolved for the seeking of food, but there is also a great understanding of how to preserve yourself and your clan. The clubbing starts from a very early age, even ants understand that. So they understand that we all have to club together, unite together, integrate together, if we have to protect ourselves. And this seeking of wholesomeness also develops gradually in the human beings and the expressions of that is, you can see, all our efforts to preserve ourselves and to be clubbed together. These efforts are expressed in our political and in our economic enterprises. Now in the human being a new seeking starts: is to have power over others. Animals do not seek power, they have. For example a tiger is much more powerful than, say, a poor rabbit. He is born like that. And a rabbit does not want to become a tiger. He does not try like every Dick, Tom and Harry would like to become a prime minister. But a rabbit would not try to be a tiger, he understands "I am a rabbit and I must develop my means of defenses and my means of offences by which I exist." In the same way the tiger acts, he is aware of his powers and also he is aware of his limitations. And some of the animals also have a power of leadership in them. They become leaders. You must have seen some birds that they have a leader, one leader going and wherever that leader changes the direction, all of them change as if they are like the tail of that leader. In the same way, the same way that goes that bird goes, the leader goes all of them follow. So, this also is expressed in human being in a very big way that there are some born leaders who lead a group of people to some destination in which they fulfill the seeking of that group. Now the seeking of the groups could be money, mostly it is. Now money animals don't understand, this is the creation of human beings only. So, for them money becomes very important because it is their own creation. We had barter systems, but then we thought it is better to have some sort of a medium which will convert one good into another, so we start the money. So, the focus of man's attention from food goes to power and from power to money. Sometimes if somebody has lots of money, then he wants to have power. It's but natural. There is nothing wrong in it, as such. Fundamentally, it is a thing which is natural for human beings to run after money and then run after power or vice versa. But beyond that starts another seeking, is the seeking of knowing why are we here? What are we doing here? What is the purpose of our life? Why God has created us? To what purpose, to what end or it is just a joke going around? Are we just foolishly being born, getting married, having children and dying like ameba? Or have we any other purpose? Many human beings do not go beyond money or health, they want good health. I mean animals don't take any exercises as far as I know. But human beings can go to any extent to preserve their health, but for what? I mean, you may be a wrestler, for what? Just to fight each other? You might be the healthiest person living on this earth, but for what? You are just a waste. What is your use? You may be the wealthiest man going in the best cars and the whatever you may call it, all the so-called luxuries of life and material well-being, but for what? When such a question comes into our mind the new kind of seeking starts, which asks the question, why are you here? Are you here just to run in this rat race morning till evening, earning money and earning power and doing all useless activities, pleasing others to show off your money or to extract some money from others? Is that the aim of your life? Now this is the beginning of the fourth enquiry, or the fourth dimension in your awareness. This enquiry is also the flowering of the same rudimentary thing called as hunger: hunger for spirituality, hunger for God, hunger for higher things of life. It starts within us, that I call is the genuine happening. In this seeking, we get confused, because by the time this seeking starts in you, you are already famished and finished. How? Because you are already conditioned by all kinds of nonsensical things going on. You may be calling yourself a British or a Indian or some sort of an Australian or I don't know all sorts of things that people call themselves, but in the eyes of God, you are just a human being, You are, I mean you don't have a tail to begin with, and you don't have your head bent down like this you have your head upright. Whether you are in Africa or India, or in England or America, it's just the same. As long as your head is up like that and you don't have a tail (of course some people must be having, the way they behave), you are definitely a human being. And if a human being if he is evolved through various experiences of life and realizes that none of these experiences have really given him the fulfillment and the answer to his question "Why are we here?" then the turning point takes place in his life, and he becomes a seeker. Not before that. Those who go to gurus and say, "Mother, will you please give a job to my son," then you don't know what to say, you should say to such a person, "Now my child, you are not yet fit, you are not yet mature to come down yet." Or if you go to someone to ask for, say, a diamond ring. Or anyone says that I give diamond ring in the name of God, and you are quite satisfied with such an answer, then you are no good as a seeker, no good. Useless for Sahaj Yoga specially. Or somebody who says, "I will cure you" and for [SOUNDS LIKE curative] you go to someone - alright, the person may cure you, but you are no good as a seeker. Why should God cure anyone who is not seeking God? I mean, why should I repair this instrument if it is not going to carry my voice? Or else some of you, if you go to a guru, and if he tells you a story like this, that you have to pay me some money for this, because if you don't pay me money you cannot be involved into this kind of a thing, you better slap such a guru on his face and tell him that "What do you think of me?" It's complete indignity to your seeking. He wants to involve you through taking money from you. Can't you see that he is insulting you by saying that you are such a materialist, that when you give me money then only you will be attached to seeking of God? Just think of it. All such arguments people give you and if you accept them and if you follow such gurus you cannot mature for seeking. As you have to be genuine, you have to be wise to understand that you are seeking your fulfillment. You are not seeking money and diamond rings and these tomfooleries that are going on and you are not there to witness them and these foolish magical tricks of people, but you are going to witness the magic of God. Then in the seeking also you must know that if God is the universal being, anybody who professes that we are the chosen ones and nobody else can be a chosen one or he was the only prophet and he was the only God and because you belong to some organization, it is nothing but absurd fanaticism and ugliness. Do not deceive yourself. Please try to understand: self-deception will never be forgiven by God. Ameba, does he deceive himself if he sees the food there, does he? Or a lion or even a frog, it has such a little brain. It understand what it is seeking, Will he deceive himself? But human beings deceive themselves morning till evening. We have to seek God. We have to seek our fulfillment. We have to relate to that wholesomeness that is God, the primordial being. The whole of it, this is what we have to seek. You are created for that. If you study a little fetus in the womb of the mother, you will be amazed that the whole of the fetus is looked after by the navel cord from the mother, and though all the portions of the fetus are not yet fully developed as to get connected with the brain completely from the very beginning, still through one channel it is fed, looked after, managed. Then the child is removed from the mother when the child is born, and gradually all the sensations and co-ordinations of all these different sensory organs and organs of motion and organs of automatic functions are created gradually, very gradually, as he starts growing. But once the connections are established, a human being starts acting. On his own the whole body acts together; it knows when it is pinched. Here in the finger the whole body knows that you are pinched, the whole knows about what has happened. The whole connection is established. It's a living process, it's a growing process which works out. But with human beings there is a very big problem. The biggest problem I would say that they are always identified with imperfections, with wrong ideas and only in the human being these things happen, that's why one has to be careful. Dog can smell better than you do, and it knows what to eat, what not to eat. You don't know. You don't know what is a real guru and a dirty guru and horrible guru and a vicious man. You cannot make out. Somebody runs out of the jail, he wears a dress, comes to England, "I am the guru" - great, and thousands will be running. They don't know and the more he has, the better it is. But there is a way. God has already placed that within yourself. For your growth he has placed within you, only He is testing your genuineness but if you are so obstinate as to stick on to some misidentified nonsensical things you cannot work it out. Be free from all these things, open out yourself. You all have to be aware of the whole. You all have to get self-realization. Though by that, God will feel your fulfillment of His creation, no doubt, and He has to do it, He will do it, but He'll have to work very hard. And still and still if you do not accept the truth, then the truth will be expressed, no doubt, but then, the untruth has to be destroyed. And at that time, those who are identified with untruth will be also destroyed. Before that, take heed to your wisdom and know what we have to seek? We have to seek our wholesomeness, which we have partially expressed in our political and economical and social clubs. All this has to be integrated, all the great religions which have been [SOUNDS LIKE profounded] in the growth of human beings, which have substantially helped in the growth of human beings, which are the substratum of their living, has to be integrated in that habit. For example, I meet supposing a Hindu, then he says, "Mother, how do You talk of Christ? We don't believe in Christ." Now you are a very great person not to believe in Christ. Who are you not to believe in Christ? What do you think of yourself? What do you mean by saying that you don't believe in Christ? Do you know it is blasphemous to say such horrible things about any great incarnation on this earth?" There are some who say, "We do not believe in Moses, or in Guru Nanaka or in Mohammed-Sahib." Who are you? I don't believe, I don't believe. What is your belief? On what it is based? Why do you say such things? What do you know about them? Only by going to churches or going to these mosques or going to these synagogues. They are blind making you blind. What have you achieved but nothing but stark fanaticism? It's a disease. It's sickness. (I am not sure that I have closed the inverted commas in the correct place in the last paragraph. MG) Just come in the Kingdom of God, and you will see that they are all seated there on the dais, they are all together and you like fools are fighting. Did they ever say that, for example, when Christ came did He say that Moses was wrong, did He say so? When Nanaka came, did He say that Mohammed was wrong? Did anyone of these great saints say so? Then who are you to denounce them? This is one of the greatest hurdles of so-called seekers. Then they are identified with their gurus. I asked them one question, "If you are so much identified with your guru, go ahead with them; why do you come to Me?" "I come to You, Mother, because I am suffering from asthma, since I went to that guru." "Then ask him to cure you. Why do you come to Me? If your guru has given you whatever you wanted, why should you come to Me? If he is a real guru, I would see it written large on your face. I can make it out and I'll worship that man who is a real guru. I will go all out to meet such a person and I will regard him as the greatest blessing for Me also, but they are very few and all hidden in the Himalayas or some places from where they do not speak. Nobody listens to them. They are very few. One of them tried to go to America; within five days he was back in India. He wrote to me saying, 'Mother, very difficult.'" Because you are identified with games, with playing games, you like people who play games with you. You do not like people who tell you the truth. This is it. You have to have it but you must know is the concern. How can anybody who loves you can tell you something that is detrimental or injurious or absolutely dangerous for you? They will not tell you, those who are fake will never tell you about anyone. They will say every thing is fine on the other side of the earth, till somebody genuine comes up. They are not going to say a word about it, take it from Me. So in your seeking first of all your misidentifications must drop out. You are so misidentified with so many things, like people would say, "Why should we follow Christ - He was a Jew." I mean, He has to be born in some place somewhere. And as it happens you have to belong to some religion somewhere. You have to be born in England or you have to be born in India, or maybe in Timbuktu. I mean, you have to be born in some place. So the rest of them say "No." And those who live there also say, "He is no good because he was just born like us here." They want somebody to drop from heaven. It is so funny. So for us, those who are genuine seekers, must open their mind fully and if you want to waste your time, go ahead; you go ahead with your gurus, go on wondering their marvels, giving them money, giving them your women, giving them your property, giving them everything that you have, getting sick, mad, ending up in lunatic asylum, I will not say "Come, my child, come to Me". But even then from the lunatic asylum also if you realize your mistakes and come, then God is the ocean of forgiveness. But from the very beginning I have to warn you, all such people are wasting their time and My time. So please all such people who are still very much misidentified, please do not trouble Me with their arguments too much. Because always I find that they are supposed to be true seekers like the lady yesterday and she started telling Me, "Have you read this book?" and "Have you read that book?" I said, "I would, but by reading that I do not find anything in you. You have read them, what have you achieved? Have you achieved anything?" Nothing. "Have you seen this guru and that guru and that guru and that guru?" I said, "Maybe, but what about you, what have you got?" She has asthma. One eye is blown off, she cannot sit, she has got a rigid body because she says she has rheumatism. She is actually possessed. And there she is a seeker and then she asks Me a question, "Mother, I am a seeker and why should God be so unkind to me?" "You did not use your wisdom, my child." Even today, take heed to wisdom, and know that thy God loves you with all His heart, with all His soul whether you love Him or not. He has placed this seeking within you. He has placed all these instruments within you. He has placed all the things so beautifully that spontaneously it works in no time. But people are such, they come for Realization and if I tell them "All right, you come and sit near Me." "No, won't sit." "You please take out your shoes", "No, I wouldn't take out my shoes." There are many like that. Even if you tell them "Why don't you sit down with both the feet like this because you will be relaxed, you see." There are many more reasons for what I say, why I say so. But still "No, why should I do?" There are certain things which are very important for Self-realization if you want to have it. You better do that. The whole attitude should be of understanding, that here you have to take from Me something. It's a gift for you, and there should be no obstinacy about taking this gift. I mean, that we do not do in normal courses. If there is a gift for us, then we do not become obstinate about it. Do we? Do the human beings become obstinate when there is a gift coming in? But only when it comes to God they wouldn't even take out their shoes. It's such a great thing you are asking for, which is the flowering of your seeking from ameba stage to human stage. In the human stage also thousands of years you have been seeking and today when you are at the threshold of it, why are you obstinate? I say in Sahaja Yoga you get your Self-realization. No money is to be given or taken. As a by-product, you get your health alright. Of course, your material things also are all right. Many things improve as a blessing of Sahaja Yoga. But the real thing that happens to you is that you get self-knowledge. You get Self-realization. That there is light enlightened within you, and you start seeing yourself, your centers and the centers of others because you also get contacted with the whole, you get your wholesomeness. This is what Sahaja Yoga has to offer to you and if you want to have that, please have it. The rest of it is just a by-product, because if there is a light you do not falter, you walk straight. You don't say, "My legs improved because there were lights." No. "My eyesight improved because of my light. Because there were no light there was a problem." As soon as there is a light everything becomes alright and you start understanding the whole, you know how the whole thing is and you start walking straight and you know where to sit, and what is the chair and what is the person. This is what you are seeking, then you are a seeker and you are a true seeker and you are to be blessed and it's My job to see to it that you reach there. You get your own powers, not of your guru but of your own. And that you understand yourself you get your self-knowledge and the knowledge of the whole. But if you are not that, My children, I am sorry, you are still a baby in the seeking, you have to still grow more, and grow more, and then you come to Me when you are grown enough. Otherwise it's a headache to work on a person like that, or to give them Self-realization or anything whatsoever. They are using sometimes Sahaja Yoga for curing people. You do get cured, no doubt. Even cancer can be cured with Sahaja Yoga. It can be. It can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga. That's the point in it. But again it will come back to you. We cannot promise, guarantee anything. Unless and until you rise in Sahaja Yoga and become the master of Sahaja Yoga we cannot guarantee. You may get back the disease again. Why should God not have a sense of giving for something as you have? He loves you, no doubt. He wants to give you because He loves you, but if you are wayward and if you are prodigal by nature, why should He continue to give you is a simple question that you should ask yourself and then ask for realization, you'll get it. After getting it also there is a period of doubts because first you get thoughtless awareness, which is called as Nirvichar Samadhi. When we say awareness in the normal terminology, it means alertness to anything is awareness. But when we say samadhi it means enlightened awareness. You get thoughtless enlightened awareness. And then you get doubtless enlightened awareness. The stage between the two in some people is so little that they just are there. I have some people here who just got it and are there. They don't pass through these two stages. But there are mediocre and there are also absolutely bullock carts I would call them, they cannot move with the time of the jet. In these modern times, imagine a bullock cart being pulled by a jet - big problem. But if you are of that caliber and that quality you get both the stages just like that. There is no doubt after that. But then there are some who get into doubts. I don't know what they doubt here. They had the experience, they feel the vibrations coming, they see cool breeze flowing through them. They see it working on others. They see the pulsation of the Kundalini, the rising of the Kundalini. They're getting better in health and everything improving. Still they are doubting and wasting their time. And everything is delayed, their cure is delayed, everything is delayed because of that. Alright, so we have here jet planes, we have here supersonics, we have missiles, and we have also bullock carts. See, it takes lot of things to make this world, isn't it? And so I take everything. All right. With all My love I engulf them. But I would request you not to slow your progress like that. What are you doubting is the question, that I do not want anything. If you are paying for something, then you should doubt it. You are not paying for anything. What are you doubting? What am I to gain from you? But still so many of them sometimes come and tell me, "Mother, now we are doubting." I say, "Alright, go on, when your doubts will be over, you do come and see Me." That's how it is. I would request you to try to tell your mind that you have done all kinds of things. You have been to all sorts of gurus. You have been to all sorts of nonsensical books and you have been to all kinds of doubts. Now settle down for a while. Settle down. Tell your mind not to mislead you, and get it. This is your own; this is your own property; this is your own right to be there. So get it, and if any doubts are coming, tell them to wait for a while. May God bless you all. I don't mind answering your questions at all. I would love to answer them. But my experience is when you tell them to ask a question they speak like possessed people. They have certain things, kinks in their heads and they come out with it. And they would not bother that Mother has little time to give realization to others, such a great thing has to be done and they'll take out from somewhere something small and will go on harping on it and disturbing all the others and taking the time being very, very selfish. And then the quarrel starts which [INAUDIBLE ] to answer their questions there are some here who will say that I have too much patience with all of them. And I try to give all the answers, as far as possible, so I will try to answer. But if you are just fond of talking, talking, talking, then I am really tired, I would request you to get your Realization, settle down with truth and glorify your being because you are glorified by God, the Lord who has created you. If you have any questions you can ask but as I have said it be careful that you are not disturbing others and asking foolish, stupid, useless questions. [The following was on my recording but not done by the transcribing team. MG] Question: [INAUDIBLE ] Shri Mataji: This is a very easy question, Madam, and I don't think I should answer at this stage, why? Because this question you ask yourself and you'll get the answer, alright? Questioner: But I have got an answer [INAUDIBLE ] Shri Mataji: Now see ... Alright, I'll tell you one thing, alright? The question is alright, this comes to everyone, when they see Me they ask such a question, but I'm little tactful, I would say, because when Christ said, "I am the light, I am the path", what did you do to Him? Questioner: INAUDIBLE Shri Mataji: Yes, he said so, so what did you do to Him for that? (Inaudible reply from questioner) Alright, you did not but others did, alright? When Krishna said, "I am the One you should follow, I am the One you should surrender to", what did you do to Him - did He tell anyone else? He just told Adjuna - why? (Inaudible response from questioner) Then what's the use of telling you about it also? Let Me work it out, then you will know. It's better you come in the light and see Me, alright? And see yourself. So, that's what let us do because this is a question which can be answered in the light. Like you can say, "Is there a charge, or not?" (Inaudible reply from questioner) Alright ... alright. Yes, now, as a guru is a guide to that God within you. To become that because that God in you is away from your attention. Your attention is not speaking to the God's kingdom. Your attention is away from Him and this is a method by which the attention rises and becomes one with that spirit which is in your heart, which is knowing you, which is understanding you, which is correcting you, also guiding you and protecting you, but you are not there, you, the one you are today is your attention is not there and that's why you are not yet collectively conscious. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) No, it's alright, but your attention is not. See the difference! For example, my brain, alright, has its attention, say for example, on my finger, alright? But my finger has no attention on my brain. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) You see the reality can only become there by being there. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) No, you cannot, unless and until you become the reality. You have to become [INAUDIBLE interruption] No, then you see you are not there, you can see only see Caxton Hall from outside. When you come inside, do you see the whole hall? (Inaudible interruption from questioner) That's true, but you have not become ... you are seeing from outside, you are not inside. You have to enter in, that's why. You see, you have not yet entered it. You are there, but you have not yet entered it. That's why it is said you have to enter into the Kingdom of God. You have to be re-born. Your awareness has not entered into it. Once it is entered, then you'll be amazed, then you will be able to feel everybody else's centers and you will know what they are inside, where is the problem and you will know also where is the problem with this. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) Who? I don't want to say that, I am very tactful, but there is something about Me, no doubt, which you will find out - there must be something ... (Inaudible intervention from questioner) Alright? So let us have it. It's true, there must be something, but I do not want to say something now - some of them know and you will also know it, and you will also know the whole thing, but gradually let it work out. (Inaudible intervention from questioner) Christ told His disciples who never believed it till He resurrected [INAUDIBLE ] and today I tell you anything, you will not believe Me, I do not want to make you useless, so you first get your realization and then you'll know. First you know yourself and then [INAUDIBLE ] Let us have it now, alright? (Inaudible intervention from questioner) I know, yes, that's why I said your attention is not there. Of course, no doubt about it. Yes, that much I must accept. I have to accept and [SOUNDS LIKE boast] many things, I know, but I'm little scared of that! Alright? Shri Mataji: [speaks in an Indian language with another questioner] He has asked Me a simple question which is a very sincere question. He said, "How are we to believe there was Shri Krishna or Christ, and this and that?" That also is another very important question, is that how are we to believe that They were there? Was He, were They there or not? Now this is a question, which, o.k. isn't it I don't know tactfully if it is correct or not but I would like to tell you that these centers, all these chakras, have got all these deities in them about which I have been telling you. Christ is here, and Krishna is here. (Interruption) Now, just a minute, just a minute. Now, how do you know if they are there or not? Is the point. When you get your self-realization you will find that from your hand a cool breeze will start flowing. You'll become that, then you will enquire how it has happened. It has happened because these centers (recording becomes inaudible in patches as Mother has probably moved away from the microphone to point to the various chakras on the chart) ... top part of your head ... here, at the fontanel bone area ... and then you start feeling the cool breeze ... After that, you'll be amazed ...

7/26/1979

http://amruta.org/?p=5797

Modern Seeking, In Search of Joy

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Public program. Enfield, England. 26 July 1979. It is really very fortunate that I could come to this place, as it was arranged by My first Sahaja Yogi, I feel very proud to be here. There are so many others who live in this area but so far they have never arranged a program in this area, though they belong to this place. And there must be something in this area, that so many of them are already there. Today, in these modern times, we are standing at a very precarious position. On one side we find our material affluence has not rendered us any help as far as the Joy of the Spirit is concerned. We have achieved no joyful state by achieving all kinds of scientific discoveries, and the so-called flights of our scientific mind. In a way it is nice that we have started realizing that it is not this matter, which is going to give us joy. It is a simple thing one has to understand, that matter can never give us joy but can only give us domination; it can dominate us, can enslave us. For example, if you make a chair out of the wood, then you cannot sit on the ground; and if you get a very comfortable sofa set made for yourself, then you find it hard to sit on a chair made out of wood, so that you cannot live without the habit that is formed within us due to the subtle domination of matter. We go on changing forms of matter, one after another, and we find that we have not really achieved anything, as far as our real joy is concerned. Now we must know what is joy is: as it is described in all the scriptures of the world, joy is a state of mind which does not have duality. Like day and night, like happiness and sorrow - it does not have that. It's a state in which you feel you are beyond all the waves of thought, all the waves of identification, and you start enjoying yourself. This joy that we talk of doesn't come from matter, nor does it come from your mind; it comes from the Spirit, which is in your heart. You may say, "How are we to believe that there is a Spirit?" Of course, you have to know that there is a Spirit only in a hypothetical way. It's just a hypothesis I am putting before you. You need not accept it at this moment, but I say there is a Spirit in your heart. Now, Sahaja Yoga is a system by which your attention enters into your Spirit; it's an actualization. It is not talking, it is not sermoning, it is not conditioning, but it is a happening. And this happening takes place within us because we are made that way. God has created us specially for this last happening within us, where we become connected with our Spirit, and thus we become connected with the Spirit of all the people and actualize the experience of collective consciousness. It's no question of giving any, what you call the brainwashing about it; it's just a happening that has to take place within you. And this has been promised in all the scriptures: they say it is your second birth or they may say it is Self-Realization; and there are many other words people have used but it is just the same. Now, if God has made us - I mean, even if you do not believe in God, say Nature has made us - a human being, out of a little cell like amoeba, then why has He done that? What is the purpose of our life? Has He just made us to live like other animals who come in this world, enjoy their life and die - or reproduce, at the most - or to create these things out of matter which are not joy-giving? Has He created us for that, or there is a purpose for it? The way we have evolved very beautifully from amoeba stage to this, we can see that there must be some purpose behind the whole program. Even if you read chemistry or physics - in chemistry you can see there are periodic laws, and if you see the chart of periodic laws you'll be amazed how beautifully every element has been organized, and how these are placed in the chart and how they act according to the valencies they have. It is a remarkable thing the way even the periodic laws of elements, who are supposed to be dead, are so beautifully working. When we come to any such programming we start wondering how one could have achieved this tremendous power. For example, we see so many flowers turning into seeds, without our knowledge they grow up really microscopically, and suddenly you find lots of fruits are available. We cannot even sprout a single of seed, and here we find thousands and thousands, and millions and millions, and billions and billions of these seeds sprouting every moment, and the One who is doing it has to be some great personality. But what about us, when we are facing life with questions: Why are we here? We start thinking about it and we find no answer to it. This is what I call is the modern seeking, which is such a blessing for us, that we are seeking something beyond, and we are not satisfied with whatever we have. This is the greatest blessing and, once you have this blessing, then only you can be really rewarded for that blessing, because you have to knock at the door, otherwise the door won't open. Now, let us see here within us, what sort of a programming is there on display. Now, all that is put here you need not take it for granted just now. You can only say that you cannot see these things within you, but as a hypothesis it's an absolutely new knowledge for you, so just keep yourself open to it. This is the body of a human being and, as God has said, that you all are made in His own image - you are made absolutely in His own image, but still you are not aware of yourself to be aware of the whole. For example, if this is the Body of God, all the small cells on this body are human beings, and they have to find the connection with the whole. If the Primordial Being is the whole, we have to find out how are we connected with that, and how we become wholesome. This is the basic seeking we have got within us. In this seeking we are actually seeking that point by which we really get connected to the whole. And that point is the Spirit within you, in the heart. This mechanism is placed within you; it is there, it exists. And there is a residual force in the triangular bone, in the coccyx here, which is kept ready as the germinating power. This is called as Kundalini in the Sanskrit language. Now, if I use Sanskrit, you shouldn't think that it is something Hindu, because there could be a confusion like that, that it all about Hinduism I am talking about. But there is nothing like Hinduism, because there is no one God about Hinduism, it's only, you can say, a philosophical discovering of the seers. Now, This Kundalini is present in every human being. Because India was such a country that they did not have to face problems of the nature so much, people went into meditation and saw this residual force existing in human beings. Even in the Bible it is written that, "I will appear before you as tongues of flames." Now, we do not understand, neither anybody can explain, what are these tongues of flames. In every religion there is an indication about Kundalini, in quite a clear-cut words, but because we have no idea as to this knowledge what it is, because it was kept as a secret knowledge for quite some time, we get confused, and in that confusion, what we do is to condemn it as a knowledge belonging to a particular region. These are all universal things and they cannot belong to any region or to any language or to any nation as such. It belongs to every one of you, and all of you have got this residual force placed at that point in the triangular bone. Now, when the Sahaja Yoga - which means: 'saha' means 'with', 'ja' means 'born'- the one which is born within you; this right of union with the Spirit, with God, is born within you. 'Saha' means 'with', ja means 'born', and it also means the 'spontaneous'. And whatever is the spontaneous is the easiest: like our nose is born with us, our eyes are born with us; we don't have to do anything about them. In the same way, this also yoga - means this power to unite with the Divine - is born with you, in the sense that this germinating force is placed within you. And this germinating force is the one which connects you with the Spirit. This lies dormant there, in three-and-a-half coils. And when this Sahaja Yoga practice starts, you can yourself see with your naked eye, the pulsation at that point. You can see it moving with your naked eye; anybody can see it. You can even photograph it; you can even take a film of it. You can see the pulsation in the triangular bone absolutely there. Then you can even see the pulsation rising onto different centers. All these centers are subtle centers of the power within us, which has given us evolution. And when this rises within us, it enlightens all these centers that are within us, these subtle centers. From down below if you see - the lowest one it doesn't touch there, it is already there, it is the center of innocence; then the second, then the third, then the fourth, then the fifth, then the sixth and the seventh. So it crosses only six centers. And each one of them manifests outside. These are the subtle centers, as I have told you, inside the medulla oblongata, or you can say the spinal cord, and also in the brain, as shown there, there are two centers in the brain, one here and one in the limbic area. They manifest outside: the gross plexuses which look after our organs; like we have got the second center, which is there, is called as the Swadishthan Chakra, and this one manifests our aortic plexus. Aortic plexus looks after our kidneys and our liver, and also pancreas and the spleen and another kidney and also uterus. That is the center which goes round and round over that green area and looks after these organs that I have talked to you about, and supplies the energy that is required through the right-hand-side energy that is coming into it. This is the energy of creativity within us. Now, the center, the one which is called as the Nabhi Chakra is the one that manifests solar plexus. It also looks after our visceras, and our intestines, stomach and all our digestive organs. Now, this is the center for our seeking. As a small, little amoeba we seek for our hunger of food. When we become human beings, hunger of food is there; then we have got also seeking for, say, money; then seeking for power. But we reach a certain stage where we start seeking the Divine. All these seekings start from that center which is called as a navel center, which gives rise to the solar plexus. Now, the solar plexus, which is manifested outside in the gross, as I have told you, looks after your digestion and other organs, which surround the viscera. Now, the center above that is called as the Hridaya Chakra, or you can call it as the center that gives you cardiac plexus as a manifestation. This center is very important; if a person suffers from, say, a sense of insecurity, this center goes out of order, and when this center goes out of order then one starts feeling the palpitations, and also the breathing becomes very difficult. Now if this center is spoiled then we get a disease like breast cancer and lung cancer. Cancer is a disease which is caused by the malfunction of these centers. And because doctors cannot reach these centers, they cannot cure the cancer, because they can go only up to the plexuses, which are gross manifestations. They cannot go into the subtle, because they have not themselves become the subtle. When they become subtler they can enter into these centers and cure it. But it's very difficult to convince a doctor that he is still not perfect in his awareness, and he has to perfect his awareness and then he can treat people. Of course, we have some doctors also who have become Sahaja Yogis, but they have not been able to convince many doctors either. But when the doctors themselves get sick with cancer they come to us for treatment. And recently we have treated one lady whose husband was My professor in medical college, and who is himself a very well-known doctor. But his wife is now sick with cancer, so he came to Me - the one who was My teacher - to get a cure, and we did cure her. So this is what it is: that cancer, and all such subtle troubles, can be only cured through entering into these centers. But the entry comes through the awakening of that Kundalini only. Unless and until this Kundalini awakens, you cannot enter into these centers. So we treat outside, and we cannot enter inside. It's only not for physical, even for mental trouble. If you have a mental trouble - say, the above chakra is there, the Visshuddhi Chakra; this is the center when human beings lifted their heads, this center developed - now, if people are suffering from mental trouble, this center on the left-hand side goes completely out of order. If the left-hand side power is out of order, then a person can be absolutely possessed and could be in a lunatic asylum. We have had recently a girl coming from a lunatic asylum, and she came to our program and she got cured completely. She went back and they said, "No we don't want you here. You are perfectly all right. We don't want to waste one bed for you. You are perfectly all right." She's all right; she has three children - of course, her husband had divorced her. but she's all right now, she's absolutely, perfectly all right. It's a very simple thing, because if the light passes through that, it opens out also this top chakra, between this chakra and that chakra, the one higher is, the top chakra. When it opens out you start getting the Grace of God coming into you, and then all the energy that is exhausted or malfunctioning is [completely all right (?)]. That time you start feeling in the hands cool breeze-like thing, and you become that. Now, the center above it is a very, very important center for us because it is the center of Christ. It is the center where Christ has entered - as He said that He is the door. He had to enter through this door. Now, how are we to believe that this is Christ's center and not somebody else's? When this Kundalini is rising - which you can see with your naked eyes, as I have said it - you'll be amazed that when the Kundalini stops at that center, unless and until you take the name of Christ it won't open; you have to take His name. On every center there is a deity, but specially this center where you find My red mark is, inside in the brain, where there is a crossing of the optic chiasma, there is a very subtle center which controls your ego and super-ego in your brain, and which gives you really the path, or you can say the gateway opens out for the entry of your attention to this Kundalini into the Kingdom of God, which is the limbic area in your head. The Kingdom of God is in your head here. When you pierce this topmost center, which we call, in common Christian language, 'baptism'; which is a happening, which is not that you go to church and somebody who says, "All right, I'll baptize your child." It is not that way, because these people are not authorized, they cannot raise the Kundalini. Unless and until you raise the Kundalini, you cannot say a person is baptized, you are just mechanically done. Anybody... you cannot get his certificate in the university that you can do; it is a thing that has to be within you; you are to be empowered by God. And through your movement of your fingers, the Kundalini should rise. Only such a person is really entitled to be called as a baptist, is called as a person who really gives you the baptism. And you can see, when the Kundalini enters here, you will see that the fixed part of the head becomes softer. And that is the time you start feeling the cool flowing through your hands. Now, you can see on your hands all these centers that are there, you can feel them on left and right-hand side. They are demarcated with these colors by which you can make out, if you place your hands towards, say, Me, and if you are getting catch on this finger or this finger, you can make out what center is catching.And then the method, the technique, of how to cure that center is also absolutely exposed in Sahaja Yoga. Within one month's time I have seen people have become masters, absolute masters. We have here [inaudible] the one who has organized, and so many others who are sitting here; they are all masters of Kundalini. They are normal people; they are just like you, to look at. You don't have to change your dress or announce something or denounce something or give up something. It is just a happening; you become that. And it is within you. You know, you can see, you know you have it. But you do not put a signboard on you that "I am a realized Soul." But such a person can feel another's centers and can feel his own centers. This is Self-knowledge side. First, the yoga takes place by which the knowledge side. The first stage is of knowledge, that you start knowing about your centers others' centers, because on your head here, where the Kundalini touches, is the Feet of God Almighty, and they are expressed in your heart and your Spirit, and that's why you touch the Spirit within you. And once you have touched the Spirit within you, you touch the Spirit in everyone. You start feeling; actually it happens to you. Small children even, when they get Realization, immediately they start telling: "This is the finger catching, that is the finger catching." It's a subjective knowledge; means you become the master of it; you have that knowledge. Like human beings have much more knowledge than animals have. They know what is bad smell, what is good smell; they know what is beauty, what is not beauty. Animals cannot say that. In the same way, here it becomes your power. Your awareness itself develops a new dimension, an enlightenment, by which you start seeing in others what is the matter with them and what is the matter with you. So the second stage is the start of knowledge, that you start getting the knowledge as to what is your centers and what is the centers of others. Now, at this stage, when the knowledge starts, you see, we are so conditioned that we have sometimes some conditionings within us, and we pick up one sentence here and there, and we start doubting. This 'doubting Thomas' is a very great thing in this country; I have seen, I'm sorry to say. But In India the Kundalini doesn't rise so fast as it rises in the Western countries, because you are really saints and you are seekers and you are genuine. But the second stage in India doesn't happen so much in India as it happens here. I sometimes say that you have got food to eat and some people do not have teeth to eat the food, and some do not have food when they have teeth, something like that. So the Kundalini rises in the West so fast. Specially in America, I was surprised, thousands of people came to My program, and suddenly the Kundalini rose and they got the experience, and the second moment they started doubting. Now, this is something, for Me, it was very queer when I visited America, when it was in year seventy-three, I was amazed that how people could start doubting about it when they had an experience of it? Why don't they see whether it is true or not? Before that only they have started doubting, without even seeing what it is, whatever She has said is correct or not. Then they are walking off without even seeing it. I just could not understand their mind. I said, "What's wrong with these people. Why are they behaving like that?" I just could not understand them that time. But now I understand, I understand it now: because of your questioning mind, you see, you cannot get out of it very easily, and it starts questioning. You must question about everything; that's the style it is; the life is like that, that you have to question about everything. And you must question; it's a good thing; you should not follow anything blindly, readily. But when you have got it within you, still you go on questioning because, when you are standing, say, in the water, you are afraid of the waves, but you are aware of the waves and you know there are waves. But supposing somebody lifts you from there and puts you in the boat, still you have the same thing working on you, sort of, that feeling of giddiness that was there, and you still think: "I am sinking." And then you start questioning: "Am I on the right path or not? Am I on the wrong path?" Because of this problem so many fake people have taken advantage of you, so many fake people have taken, and they have really minted money in this country, and so many other countries. They come and tell you - they are something very big and bombastic - and they tell you: "You are not to ask us any questions. You have to pay so much money to us. You all don't have to tell anybody what we tell you. You all should be separated. You must meet us separately, privately." And a secrecy develops establish; I call it a 'spiritual mafia', and people are literally frightened of them. They are so afraid of them they think that: "If we divulge this thing, then we will be finished in our progress." And there are many people who have come in this country, your country - also in other countries - and have really exploited you completely and taken full advantage of your spiritual naivety. One has to know that it is a living process, the end of your evolution. This is the time which I call as The Last Judgment. In this only, you are going to be judged. And this is not going to be paid for. You cannot pay for it, you cannot pay for it. You have to just see that you are judged where, that's all. It is a different attitude when you go to a guru who takes money, and a different attitude when you come to Sahaja Yoga.Please remember that this is a gift for what you are. And also, if there is any problem, it can be corrected and can be put right. It's all free and it's a gift, because it has to happen, it is all promised. Just think, the whole Creation will be wasted if God's children, like you, do not know what He is, and you do not enjoy your fulfillment. That's why this has to happen. But if your attitude is like going to a shop, and you start asking that, "How many times should we do it? What is the way should we do it?" then it does not work out. It is a very spontaneous thing like, I would say, a candle is there and I have to enlighten another candle. So one candle which is enlightened just enlightens another candle because it is just there. In the same way, if I am an enlightened person, I just enlighten your candle, because you are just ready for it. And the enlightenment has to be absolutely free, absolutely free of charge. You cannot pay for God; you cannot pay for your Self-realization. I wish that the Western people could understand this. When I asked some of the people that, "Why did you pay for this guru, and why didn't you ask him a question that, 'Why we have to pay so much of money?'?"So they said that the guru said that, "You Westerners are such that unless and until you pay for it you are not involved."I said that, "You should really have seen that this man has no respect for you. What does he think of you: that, unless and until you pay for God, you won't be involved in God? To that limit?" Because all these institutions - so-called institutions, I call them - which have worked for God, have been working on moneymaking. Anywhere you go: "What are you doing?"-"Oh, we are collecting funds, we are having a fete."For what for the fete? Is this the job of God. Is He here to look after the poor and the rich through you people? Who has created poor and rich, is the human beings have done it. God has not done it. God is here to bestow upon you that bliss, that joy, which is surpassed by all material enjoyments and happiness. Once you get this, you just start enjoying it so much that you understand the futility of all these things. And you can live with very few things, and you can be the happiest person. I have seen people who came to Me who were alcoholics, absolute alcoholics, and the next day they gave up drinking. Because you start enjoying yourself so much, you never get bored; you get so relaxed that you just stop drinking. But the only problem, as I have told you, that you go home and start doubting, and then I cannot help you. You have to know that there are imperfections in all these centers. As a Mother I have to warn you that there are imperfections because of your naive-ness about things. Nobody has guided you properly. Some of the people who have been to some of these gurus and some of the other cults and things, have bigger problems than the rest of them. If you have led a very temperant life, and a normal life, it works in no time, and you do get it. And as it is, I have told you that you are real, genuine seekers who do get it. But the Kundalini is again sucked back if there is a problem in any one of your centers. For example, you are a liver patient; so at the first shot, after seeing Me, the Kundalini will shoot up, it will give you an experience but again it goes back. It's your Mother, so it goes back to your liver. And you can see it pulsating, you can see it, everybody can see it will go there and suggest that the liver is not all right. And it will supply to the liver, look after the liver, and then comes back and then goes. So it is so, that if you have any physical, emotional or mental problem, the Kundalini comes back and goes; so you have to have patience only. It is not just like touch and go. With some people it does; for example, Cooly, the one who was here, first day he came to Me in a very big crowd, I would say, and such cool vibrations that I started calling him 'Cooly' because he was really remarkable. He's a Greek boy from Cyprus, and I was surprised the way he got his Realization. Nobody got that cool, so I called him 'Cooly'. And I had met one doctor Cooly, he was a very fine man and a Realized Soul who - you might have also heard his name - he was doing heart operations and things. He looks also like him, so I called him 'Cooly', and though his name is Anthony I started calling him "Cooly". And since that day he is keeping up, though he catches a little bit on his heart,because he has done all kinds of things like Karate and Hatha Yoga and all kinds of things for his physical side, and he has put a little imbalances, but his vibrations he has never lost. There are many like that we have. And there are some people of such high caliber. Recently, I met about five-six of them; I was amazed, "Such great saints", I said. So, it is the judgment you will have of your own, but do not judge Me. I am beyond your understanding,just now. Till you have your vibrations established, you won't be able to judge Me; it's rather difficult. So I would request you that it is a question of judging your chakras, your centers, and it's a question of judging the centers of your friends and other people, and understanding them. And when you will understand all that, then you will start understanding Me also. Because many people do like this: that somebody will see, in India, I was wearing a white sari without a border, and he said: "Why are You wearing a sari without a border?"I said, "Now this is too much." Such frivolous and shallow people; do you think they should enter into the Kingdom of God? They really require more seeking and understanding of the subject. So, we have to understand, this is the greatest chance of our life. We have been seeking and seeking all our lives. It is described in one of the Puranas that once Kali - is the one who is ruling nowadays, the modern times, is the worst of all evil persons - who was caught by another, Nala [?], who was harmed by this evil personality. And he said that, "I am going to kill you. And you are the worst of all. And I don't know why do you exist on this Earth."Then he told him that, "You can kill me but I also have a meaning."- "What is your meaning and what is your fulfillment and why should you be there?"So he said that, "My importance is that, when this Kali Yuga, this modern times, is come, then people will go all wrong, confused, and be in a big confusion. But that is the time all the great saints who are now roaming about in the jungle and forests, and finding God, will come back as ordinary house-holders and will find the Truth."Nala said: "For that reason, I must leave you, because you must exist, and this should happen, because these saints have been seeking God for so many years." And that's how it has happened. Now, for giving lectures, you see, there's no end to it, and I've been lecturing and lecturing, from Greece to to Scotland, to here, to all the places, and they have got many tapes about it. Because this is vast knowledge and, if you gradually get exposed to it, and you'll be amazed how great you are and how much knowledge there is within us. So far whatever you have seen is not the Truth; It is beyond. Whatever you see now is just an illusion of the truth. The truth has to be within you. When the light will come in you, then you will understand, the truth is that you are an instrument of that God. Like this instrument is connected with the mains, now we can use it; in the same way, when you are connected with the mains, the Divine Power starts using you. You become a hollow personality, and you can maneuver it and you can place it, and you know how to use it and how to apply it, how to explain it, and how to give others also Self-realization. You'll be amazed; we have people here who must have given realization to hundreds of people. But in India we have people who have given Self-realization to thousands. And some of the saints are very highly-evolved saints who lived on Himalayas, and on so many mountains in India, who do not want to face the public. They came to see Me, one by one, and they said: "Mother, what are You doing? Why are You giving these powers to people? These are ordinary human beings."I said, "Maybe it's the will of God." But it's not that, because the time has come, the Blossom Time has come. When in the tree there are one or two flowers, when it is a small tree, we are not bothered and we do not see it. But when it is a blossom time, and the tree is fully grown, there are many flowers, and these flowers easily turn into fruits; and that is what is happening today. But we have to see how many of us really can get it. And this is the attitude one should have; a humble attitude one should have. Thank you very much.Of course I would like to have some questions from you, but you must understand that we are dealing here with many people, and you should not completely bring some prestige point, or some sort of a thing that you have been doing before, and keep everybody clogged to it, so that everybody benefits by it.Thank you very much.May God bless you. Seeker: [Question inaudible]Shri Mataji: You see, when I say He is on top of your head, it has a symbolic meaning. It means God is everywhere; His light is everywhere, all right? And 'He is on top of your head' means that, as you are a human being - now, you see in the picture, as shown here, that there are two sides within us: left and right side. One is our emotional side, we can say, and the other is the mental and the physical side. Now, when these two sides start working in the human being only, then what happens, because of their shape being like this and the brain being in a prism-like form, a kind of a by-product of our activities of emotional side and of our physical and mental side, starts coming out as balloons - I mean, this is all psychology I am telling you - and that is called as ego and super-ego in our brain. When this ego and super-ego start growing in childhood, when the child grows to about twelve years of age, then what happens that our fontanel bone area, where we get our baptism, becomes calcified. And that is how we get separated from God, in the sense there is a power of God within us, in the heart, expressed as Spirit, but the God's All-pervading Power is not felt by our awareness, we cannot feel it. We know there is God. I'll give an example, a simple example, for example if I say there are many pictures around here, you won't believe Me, but if I put a, for example, a television, or video tape, or something like that, something like that which will catch it, you will get all these pictures in that, but you do not see. What I mean is that God is around you, His is everywhere, His power is everywhere, it is All-pervading, but in a subtle way. And the Kundalini has to rise through our fontanel bone and enter into it. This is the way we have to enter into that All-pervading Power. This is what I am trying to tell you. When I say God is in your head I don't say God is sitting there; no, I don't mean that. What I'm saying that His Power there, is to be felt through this baptism only. It does not flow to your hands or your feet; it flows upwards. It flows upwards and comes out. That's how we are made; you see, we just can't help it. For example, if it is from here, it is from here; you cannot question it. So, when it opens out, our attention gets permeated into that All-pervading Power, and we start feeling it within. You can understand? It's more symbolic. Literally, if you take it, I mean, it will look odd. He's all everywhere, no doubt, but you cannot feel it, He's not in your awareness - means your central nervous cannot feel it, isn't it? But then you start feeling it, you get connected then, and a rapport is established. It's like a, I can say, a computer. You ask questions like: "Is there God?" Immediately waves of cool breeze start. Seeker: [Question inaudible]Shri Mataji:... When it settles there the Grace descends on these two centers - we call them Ida and Pingala nadis - these two channels they start.... But if you have read about Kundalini: horrifying experience, you see, all sorts of nonsense - forget it. Because those who have written also in English have not gone into it that thoroughly and are misunderstanding. I don't know what sort of translations they have made, because they have said that there are four types of Kundalini rising: in one which is described like an epileptic fit, I think; another one is something like a possessed person; the third one is another jumping, hopping type; and the the fourth one is the one that I am talking about. So they call it - this is in Maha Yoga/Sahaja Yoga - they call it 'Sahaja Yoga', you see, or Siddhi Yoga. These are the three names of Sahaja Yoga: one is Maha Yoga - means the 'greatest yoga', another is Siddhi/Siddha Yoga, or the Sahaja Yoga; they call it by three names. But they are saying that there are four types of Kundalini Jagruti. This is not; there are four kinds of people who proclaim to be the gurus, actually. You see, the one who is a demonic person, when he gives awakening, he has no authority; on the contrary he puts a spirit in you and you get these epileptic things, you start jumping and you start hopping and you start shouting, sometimes you roar like a lion. All these things happen when a person who is not an authorized guru but a demonic personality. But we can think they could not translate some of the words perhaps. I can only say that that must be the misquotes. They must not have understood the words they called as Rakshasas and Pisachas as we call it. I don't know why they have not been able to place it and call it its type. You see, it is unauthorized. Any person who is unauthorized who tries to raise the Kundalini can do tremendous [damage?]. It's very practical, you can understand: if I do not know how to handle this, and I put My finger in to some two holes I find, I get a shock and I say that Kundalini-rising is a shock, because you don't know where to handle it, what to do it. And there also people who are absolutely dangerous, and you can call them absolutely unauthorized. And if such people try to be holy people, they really are troubling the sadhakas, means the ones [who are seeking?]. So one has to have an authority, and one has to be a Sahaja Yogi, means the one who has the power to raise the Kundalini. If he does not have a power to raise the Kundalini, and to know how it rises, what are the chakras, then whatever he is doing is absolutely absurd. The one who does not know cars, for example...[inaudible] if you are not a driver and you start driving, then... In the same way, you do not say that car moves in four ways: by one it kills people, by another it jumps out of rock. You do not say like that. In the same way, this Kundalini-rising has been written in such a funny way in some of the very, very thick English books, that I was amazed, how could they not see this simple thing? Perhaps, you see, they have read some books and taken some translations from them, and they didn't have the experience or a proper man to guide them. But there is nothing like that happens in our centers [?]. Now in London itself we might be having about three to four hundred people who are really very good Sahaja Yogis, and really... in London city itself. And we have had thousands of them in England; nobody has said like that. But I have seen funny people coming. One man came in India itself, and was sitting with his both his feet towards Me, and the people said, "You cannot do like this. You cannot put your feet towards Her."He said, "Let me sit like this, otherwise my kundalini...[inaudible]""What happens?"He said, "I start hopping like a frog."Now the simple thing is, after becoming human beings, are we going to become frogs? We should understand, we are not going to become frogs and animals, that we are roaring like lions. And then another thing we should understand: if it is for our evolution, will God put something like this and torture us for nothing at all? He is the Ocean of Compassion, and He is the One who is going to give us all the properties that He has within us, and is bestowing on His own loving children. Is He going to make us miserable [inaudible]? Even, people talk of suffering, that you must make your body suffer - why? Why should you make your body... God has made this human body... these self-destructive things are not needed at all. You don't have to destroy others, neither to destroy yourself. You must have real compassion for yourself to begin with. All these methods of starvation, and doing all kinds of horrible things to your body, are nowhere near [inaudible]... are not to be done. It is not necessary. As if we didn't know that Christ Himself crucified just to pass through that gate and to make a way for us. Then why are you still crucifying yourself for nothing at all? Are you Christ? If you are doing it, then why? Everything He did is useless. That's why I felt that it is of importance that here is the...[inaudible] the area of your fontanel bone, here is the Kundalini. And there are many people... in Sanskrit language, in Hindi language, it is said that, "Here is the Anahatha, here is the pulsation. You can feel your pulsation when it comes up, then the pulsation disappears and you become [one with it (?)]" It is very simple - has to be, because whatever is important has to be simple. For example, your breathing: now if it is for that you have to go and read some book and then take it from some man by paying him money; how many people would exist on this earth? Everything important has to be very simple and spontaneous. Except when somebody is sick. Any questions? Or would you like to have the experience now, would you? Yes?Seeker: [Question inaudible]Shri Mataji: You see, acupuncture and all these systems started by, in the Chinese [inaudible] – there was a very great Sahaja Yogi was Lao Tse. He started acupuncture actually. And He has described Self-realization in a very clear way, absolute clear way. And He has said that nobody who is not a Self-realized shouldn’t do acupuncture at all. He has prohibited it completely for people who are not Realized souls; but everybody is doing it, which is a wrong thing. When you do in an unauthorised way, you do cure, but you create an imbalance in the body. I’ll tell you how it is cured. For example, here is …and you can see [inaudible]Both these centers look after the liver; this one and that one – partly. Now, these are the two points where they put the needle – supposing. Now, what happens, that by putting the needle there, a sort of an emergency is created in these two centers; for example, this one and this one, all right? When the emergency is created within us, these two centers start exhausting their energy, they start giving more energy and more energy to the Pingala, in the sense they start giving energy to liver, and liver gets cured. But there is no balance, because liver gets all right but you may develop some other diseases. You may become a person who is absolutely dry; you will be such a person that you will have no feelings for others. Because, if you start using this power too much, then the left side is neglected. If the left side is neglected, it will freeze and you will have the heart of a stone. And we do not see human being as a whole, we see him as a part, that’s why we do not understand that liver-curing is important, but what is important is that the whole of the man should be all right. What is the use of curing liver and getting cancer? It could amount to something like that. Now, a man who thinks too much, you see, works through this center, who plans too much, thinks too much, works through this center, because this center converts the fat globules for the use of the brain when you are thinking - to replace. Now, such a man neglects other organs which are looked after by this center. The man who is a great planner will have diabetes as a disease because his left side is completely frozen, he never uses it. He becomes emotionally a dry person and he develops diabetes. Doctors cannot cure diabetes- why? Because they do not know how to give a balance to man. But supposing if a Realized person does it, then he connects the person, the patient, to the mains. And then if you take energy from there for one person – doesn’t matter because you are exposed to the mains, and it is flowing all the time. You see, this is the difference. That’s why, in acupuncture, I have yet to come across people who are Self-realized, I have yet to come across; I’ve met many. And they don’t like it when I tell them, “Don’t do acupuncture before Realization.”One should not do anything in a naive manner, because you are creating problems for others, and for yourself also. Because by doing such things you are creating bad karmas for yourself. You are doing bad things, you are ruining man, and that’s how the bad karmas are coming into you, because you do not know what you are doing. For example, if you tell somebody to put your finger into the holes [of a plug], they will get a shock – unknowingly. And he gets a shock, of course he gets a shock; something will happen to him, no doubt, but something will happen to you also, that you will have bad karmas in you. You will have a much less chance of Realization than others have, because you have done something wrong to others – by mistake also. That’s why don’t enter into something which you do not know; is a wrong thing. Never get into that thing about which you do not know. First you should get into it, see for yourself how it goes out. Otherwise, there are people may take you into a very difficult situation. I have seen people in extremely difficult situations.I know of a lady - she had a guru with her - she had cancer. I was amazed: most of the people who have gurus, wrong type of gurus, get cancer. It's most surprising, but I have seen it. Because the left side catches. Most of them have gurus or they go to spiritualists, left side catches. So all these wrong cults and things that have started, without actualizing the experience, are very dangerous, and one should not do it. But nothing to be that worried and upset. It's a fact, see, one has to understand that, if you go into anything... supposing there is fire, and you enter in, you'll be burned. And also some spiritualists also cure - I've seen that - but they put another spirit into you. I had a lady in India - she came to Me - she went to a spiritualist to cure her husband from drink. So he gave up drinking and he started [inaudible]. So she went to him and he became an insolvent, you see, very rich man. So she said, "This is even worse than drinking." So she said, "Somehow or other, remove this from him." So then he became a thief, a kleptomaniac, he started thieving things from her because he had no money left also. So he used to thieve things; he did not know what he was doing. And then she got the fright of her life, because this man suddenly became all these three, and the whole thing was there, and he started manifesting all three devils within him. And still today we have not been able to cure him. It's like that. And the woman herself is now suffering and she gets these [fits?]. So these things are very dangerous, like calling the spirits; one should not play with these spirits at all; we should keep them out. Try to tell [God?], because He is really the one who keeps us away from spirits. So we are really surprisingly funny, in England, I have seen, all the churches have got all the dead bodies there down below your feet. Your children go to church, everybody. I don't know from where did you get this idea of putting all the dead in the churches. All right, if you want to put them in charge of God, have a different church for them. You are taking your innocent children, your people there. All of them are just under your feet, they are sleeping there, you disturb them, and they catch hold of you; they are not yet [reborn(?)]. And that is what it is; we have not to go near spirits. Spirits, and all those things, are not going to give us any powers. May seem all right at the time, but we have to ask for our own Spirit and our own powers. They give terrible trouble to Me also because, whenever a person comes from a spiritualist, he is singled out, and it's very difficult to give him Realization, and it takes the maximum time. But even if you have been, I mean, [we have worked, we have done it (?)] - so nothing to worry. Once we cure, you see, if we cure about five or ten people who are coming from spiritualists, I'm sure we will solve that problem. So shall we have now? Now, how do we do? You have to just put your feet, in a very relaxed manner, on the ground. Why on the ground, like this? You have to be relaxed, so that your body is little bit relaxed and there is no problem of your Kundalini to move. If you have very tight belts or something, you can loosen it - if it is very tight. If it is lightly tied it is all right. Or a tie or something, you find it tight. If it is not tight, it's all right; makes no difference. But there is a little expansion of the spinal cord when the Kundalini rises, so better to give it a chance to rise. And you just have to put your hands like this, just like this. Now, these are the fingers, as I have told you; all the sympathetic centers of the left and right are here. And when the power flows inside, it invites in the Void - there is a void in between - they are shown connected but they are not really connected within us - and when it enters there, the Kundalini receives the information at the point - I'm sorry, when it reaches the last chakra through these two: Ida and Pingala nadis. You see, these two; Ida and Pingala nadis, through them it reaches the first center there, you see; then a kind of a bridge is created on the Void, because this center informs the Kundalini that somebody is there who is authorized, and then She just starts pouring out by itself. And it passes here, and you become one with it. At that time, what happens? First of all, when it crosses this center, Agnya Chakra, then you become thoughtlessly aware - means there is no thought. You are aware, you are not fainting or anything, but you become peaceful, no thoughts are there. If you watch yourself, some of you must have been already without thought. To test it you watch Me without thinking - can you do it? If you can do it, that means you have crossed this point. When you cross this point, then you start getting Cool Breeze in your hands, and you feel really relaxed. After this, how to use the Cool Breeze and all that, you should again meet and understand it. But one feels extremely relaxed, and it's a very joy-giving experience. After that, one should try to keep thoughtlessly aware; try not to think. Tell yourself, "I don't have to think, I don't have to think", and go off to sleep. You get a very nice sleep. If, after this, you get this Yoga Nidra for, say, about twelve hours, nice sleep; or, say, ten hours, nice deep sleep, then you will be surprised that you will be established at a point where the doubts from the thought do not come into your mind. Because that's the one thing which is very dangerous. But when it establishes a little higher, then you become 'doubtlessly aware', when it becomes absolutely a conviction, then you do not have any doubts. But it is not through rationality; it is through the state you achieve within yourself. And, after that time, you start giving Realization to people, and, only if it crosses even Agnya, you can cure people. But don't do that. First thing you establish yourself, know yourself fully and take it. Nothing to show off, but to understand that we have to know ourselves fully, and we have to explore all our powers, and to be ourselves, genuinely, with all humility, and then only we are going to give it to others. Let our lights be fully established and then you'll be put on top of the rock where people can see you, and can know that here is the Light which is guiding us. Let's have it now. Please put your hands like this. You can put the paper down here if you want to, for the time being.Sit in a way that you are not uncomfortable. Comfort is important at this point. You should not be uncomfortable, because attention isn't running; just put your hands like this. But while sitting you must allow your feet to touch the ground fully, touch the ground fully; because the Mother Earth is one of the elements which has created some of our centers, so She sucks in some of your problems. So put your feet directly on the Mother Earth, just like this. If it is easy for you to take off your socks also, it would be a good idea, because mostly socks are of nylon, and they insulate you completely from Mother Earth. If you feel like taking off, you should take it. It would be good thing. Now, what happens, as I have told you, that in you hands you start getting Cool Breeze. Close your eyes because there is a dilation of the pupils when the Kundalini crosses over this; so please close your eyes. There is no hypnosis; you can see that. You have to close your eyes, and see if there is no thought. You just keep your eyes closed. But some of you may not be able to close them because there will be a flickering in your eyes; maybe some of you. If so, then you can open your eyes. But if there is no flickering, and if you can silence it, close your eyes and keep them closed. Some of you might be feeling in your fingers a little heat also, possibly. If so, just throw it away like that. Or maybe some tingling, maybe. It's due to some physical problem in the body. Just throw it away, if you feel the tingling. Now put your hands back. Some of you who are wearing specs also; if you can take it out it will be better. You'll be all right. Some flowers become the fruit first, and then later on, one by one, they are transformed. In the same way, it doesn't happen to everyone at the same time; so be a little patient with yourself. All those who are getting the Cool Breeze in the hands please raise your hands, all of you. Raise them high; even Sahaja Yogis. Good, good. Don't open your eyes; it will work out, just work out. So many have got it, and so many are going to get it. Gradually it will work out. If it is not working out, nothing to worry; it will work out, it's working out. Now let us have people who have got Cool Breeze, all of you. All of you who have got Cool Breeze please raise your hands. [Shri Mataji asks people individually what they are feeling. Mostly inaudible] ...Can you put your left hand on your liver. Liver is the common problem in this group... ...Did you go in the graveyard?

Public program. Enfield, England. 26 July 1979. It is really very fortunate that I could come to this place, as it was arranged by My first Sahaja Yogi, I feel very proud to be here. There are so many others who live in this area but so far they have never arranged a program in this area, though they belong to this place. And there must be something in this area, that so many of them are already there. Today, in these modern times, we are standing at a very precarious position. On one side we find our material affluence has not rendered us any help as far as the Joy of the Spirit is concerned. We have achieved no joyful state by achieving all kinds of scientific discoveries, and the so-called flights of our scientific mind. In a way it is nice that we have started realizing that it is not this matter, which is going to give us joy. It is a simple thing one has to understand, that matter can never give us joy but can only give us domination; it can dominate us, can enslave us. For example, if you make a chair out of the wood, then you cannot sit on the ground; and if you get a very comfortable sofa set made for yourself, then you find it hard to sit on a chair made out of wood, so that you cannot live without the habit that is formed within us due to the subtle domination of matter. We go on changing forms of matter, one after another, and we find that we have not really achieved anything, as far as our real joy is concerned. Now we must know what is joy is: as it is described in all the scriptures of the world, joy is a state of mind which does not have duality. Like day and night, like happiness and sorrow - it does not have that. It's a state in which you feel you are beyond all the waves of thought, all the waves of identification, and you start enjoying yourself. This joy that we talk of doesn't come from matter, nor does it come from your mind; it comes from the Spirit, which is in your heart. You may say, "How are we to believe that there is a Spirit?" Of course, you have to know that there is a Spirit only in a hypothetical way. It's just a hypothesis I am putting before you. You need not accept it at this moment, but I say there is a Spirit in your heart. Now, Sahaja Yoga is a system by which your attention enters into your Spirit; it's an actualization. It is not talking, it is not sermoning, it is not conditioning, but it is a happening. And this happening takes place within us because we are made that way. God has created us specially for this last happening within us, where we become connected with our Spirit, and thus we become connected with the Spirit of all the people and actualize the experience of collective consciousness. It's no question of giving any, what you call the brainwashing about it; it's just a happening that has to take place within you. And this has been promised in all the scriptures: they say it is your second birth or they may say it is Self-Realization; and there are many other words people have used but it is just the same. Now, if God has made us - I mean, even if you do not believe in God, say Nature has made us - a human being, out of a little cell like amoeba, then why has He done that? What is the purpose of our life? Has He just made us to live like other animals who come in this world, enjoy their life and die - or reproduce, at the most - or to create these things out of matter which are not joy-giving? Has He created us for that, or there is a purpose for it? The way we have evolved very beautifully from amoeba stage to this, we can see that there must be some purpose behind the whole program. Even if you read chemistry or physics - in chemistry you can see there are periodic laws, and if you see the chart of periodic laws you'll be amazed how beautifully every element has been organized, and how these are placed in the chart and how they act according to the valencies they have. It is a remarkable thing the way even the periodic laws of elements, who are supposed to be dead, are so beautifully working. When we come to any such programming we start wondering how one could have achieved this tremendous power. For example, we see so many flowers turning into seeds, without our knowledge they grow up really microscopically, and suddenly you find lots of fruits are available. We cannot even sprout a single of seed, and here we find thousands and thousands, and millions and millions, and billions and billions of these seeds sprouting every moment, and the One who is doing it has to be some great personality. But what about us, when we are facing life with questions: Why are we here? We start thinking about it and we find no answer to it. This is what I call is the modern seeking, which is such a blessing for us, that we are seeking something beyond, and we are not satisfied with whatever we have. This is the greatest blessing and, once you have this blessing, then only you can be really rewarded for that blessing, because you have to knock at the door, otherwise the door won't open. Now, let us see here within us, what sort of a programming is there on display. Now, all that is put here you need not take it for granted just now. You can only say that you cannot see these things within you, but as a hypothesis it's an absolutely new knowledge for you, so just keep yourself open to it. This is the body of a human being and, as God has said, that you all are made in His own image - you are made absolutely in His own image, but still you are not aware of yourself to be aware of the whole. For example, if this is the Body of God, all the small cells on this body are human beings, and they have to find the connection with the whole. If the Primordial Being is the whole, we have to find out how are we connected with that, and how we become wholesome. This is the basic seeking we have got within us. In this seeking we are actually seeking that point by which we really get connected to the whole. And that point is the Spirit within you, in the heart. This mechanism is placed within you; it is there, it exists. And there is a residual force in the triangular bone, in the coccyx here, which is kept ready as the germinating power. This is called as Kundalini in the Sanskrit language. Now, if I use Sanskrit, you shouldn't think that it is something Hindu, because there could be a confusion like that, that it all about Hinduism I am talking about. But there is nothing like Hinduism, because there is no one God about Hinduism, it's only, you can say, a philosophical discovering of the seers. Now, This Kundalini is present in every human being. Because India was such a country that they did not have to face problems of the nature so much, people went into meditation and saw this residual force existing in human beings. Even in the Bible it is written that, "I will appear before you as tongues of flames." Now, we do not understand, neither anybody can explain, what are these tongues of flames. In every religion there is an indication about Kundalini, in quite a clear-cut words, but because we have no idea as to this knowledge what it is, because it was kept as a secret knowledge for quite some time, we get confused, and in that confusion, what we do is to condemn it as a knowledge belonging to a particular region. These are all universal things and they cannot belong to any region or to any language or to any nation as such. It belongs to every one of you, and all of you have got this residual force placed at that point in the triangular bone. Now, when the Sahaja Yoga - which means: 'saha' means 'with', 'ja' means 'born'- the one which is born within you; this right of union with the Spirit, with God, is born within you. 'Saha' means 'with', ja means 'born', and it also means the 'spontaneous'. And whatever is the spontaneous is the easiest: like our nose is born with us, our eyes are born with us; we don't have to do anything about them. In the same way, this also yoga - means this power to unite with the Divine - is born with you, in the sense that this germinating force is placed within you. And this germinating force is the one which connects you with the Spirit. This lies dormant there, in three-and-a-half coils. And when this Sahaja Yoga practice starts, you can yourself see with your naked eye, the pulsation at that point. You can see it moving with your naked eye; anybody can see it. You can even photograph it; you can even take a film of it. You can see the pulsation in the triangular bone absolutely there. Then you can even see the pulsation rising onto different centers. All these centers are subtle centers of the power within us, which has given us evolution. And when this rises within us, it enlightens all these centers that are within us, these subtle centers. From down below if you see - the lowest one it doesn't touch there, it is already there, it is the center of innocence; then the second, then the third, then the fourth, then the fifth, then the sixth and the seventh. So it crosses only six centers. And each one of them manifests outside. These are the subtle centers, as I have told you, inside the medulla oblongata, or you can say the spinal cord, and also in the brain, as shown there, there are two centers in the brain, one here and one in the limbic area. They manifest outside: the gross plexuses which look after our organs; like we have got the second center, which is there, is called as the Swadishthan Chakra, and this one manifests our aortic plexus. Aortic plexus looks after our kidneys and our liver, and also pancreas and the spleen and another kidney and also uterus. That is the center which goes round and round over that green area and looks after these organs that I have talked to you about, and supplies the energy that is required through the right-hand-side energy that is coming into it. This is the energy of creativity within us. Now, the center, the one which is called as the Nabhi Chakra is the one that manifests solar plexus. It also looks after our visceras, and our intestines, stomach and all our digestive organs. Now, this is the center for our seeking. As a small, little amoeba we seek for our hunger of food. When we become human beings, hunger of food is there; then we have got also seeking for, say, money; then seeking for power. But we reach a certain stage where we start seeking the Divine. All these seekings start from that center which is called as a navel center, which gives rise to the solar plexus. Now, the solar plexus, which is manifested outside in the gross, as I have told you, looks after your digestion and other organs, which surround the viscera. Now, the center above that is called as the Hridaya Chakra, or you can call it as the center that gives you cardiac plexus as a manifestation. This center is very important; if a person suffers from, say, a sense of insecurity, this center goes out of order, and when this center goes out of order then one starts feeling the palpitations, and also the breathing becomes very difficult. Now if this center is spoiled then we get a disease like breast cancer and lung cancer. Cancer is a disease which is caused by the malfunction of these centers. And because doctors cannot reach these centers, they cannot cure the cancer, because they can go only up to the plexuses, which are gross manifestations. They cannot go into the subtle, because they have not themselves become the subtle. When they become subtler they can enter into these centers and cure it. But it's very difficult to convince a doctor that he is still not perfect in his awareness, and he has to perfect his awareness and then he can treat people. Of course, we have some doctors also who have become Sahaja Yogis, but they have not been able to convince many doctors either. But when the doctors themselves get sick with cancer they come to us for treatment. And recently we have treated one lady whose husband was My professor in medical college, and who is himself a very well-known doctor. But his wife is now sick with cancer, so he came to Me - the one who was My teacher - to get a cure, and we did cure her. So this is what it is: that cancer, and all such subtle troubles, can be only cured through entering into these centers. But the entry comes through the awakening of that Kundalini only. Unless and until this Kundalini awakens, you cannot enter into these centers. So we treat outside, and we cannot enter inside. It's only not for physical, even for mental trouble. If you have a mental trouble - say, the above chakra is there, the Visshuddhi Chakra; this is the center when human beings lifted their heads, this center developed - now, if people are suffering from mental trouble, this center on the left-hand side goes completely out of order. If the left-hand side power is out of order, then a person can be absolutely possessed and could be in a lunatic asylum. We have had recently a girl coming from a lunatic asylum, and she came to our program and she got cured completely. She went back and they said, "No we don't want you here. You are perfectly all right. We don't want to waste one bed for you. You are perfectly all right." She's all right; she has three children - of course, her husband had divorced her. but she's all right now, she's absolutely, perfectly all right. It's a very simple thing, because if the light passes through that, it opens out also this top chakra, between this chakra and that chakra, the one higher is, the top chakra. When it opens out you start getting the Grace of God coming into you, and then all the energy that is exhausted or malfunctioning is [completely all right (?)]. That time you start feeling in the hands cool breeze-like thing, and you become that. Now, the center above it is a very, very important center for us because it is the center of Christ. It is the center where Christ has entered - as He said that He is the door. He had to enter through this door. Now, how are we to believe that this is Christ's center and not somebody else's? When this Kundalini is rising - which you can see with your naked eyes, as I have said it - you'll be amazed that when the Kundalini stops at that center, unless and until you take the name of Christ it won't open; you have to take His name. On every center there is a deity, but specially this center where you find My red mark is, inside in the brain, where there is a crossing of the optic chiasma, there is a very subtle center which controls your ego and super-ego in your brain, and which gives you really the path, or you can say the gateway opens out for the entry of your attention to this Kundalini into the Kingdom of God, which is the limbic area in your head. The Kingdom of God is in your head here. When you pierce this topmost center, which we call, in common Christian language, 'baptism'; which is a happening, which is not that you go to church and somebody who says, "All right, I'll baptize your child." It is not that way, because these people are not authorized, they cannot raise the Kundalini. Unless and until you raise the Kundalini, you cannot say a person is baptized, you are just mechanically done. Anybody... you cannot get his certificate in the university that you can do; it is a thing that has to be within you; you are to be empowered by God. And through your movement of your fingers, the Kundalini should rise. Only such a person is really entitled to be called as a baptist, is called as a person who really gives you the baptism. And you can see, when the Kundalini enters here, you will see that the fixed part of the head becomes softer. And that is the time you start feeling the cool flowing through your hands. Now, you can see on your hands all these centers that are there, you can feel them on left and right-hand side. They are demarcated with these colors by which you can make out, if you place your hands towards, say, Me, and if you are getting catch on this finger or this finger, you can make out what center is catching.And then the method, the technique, of how to cure that center is also absolutely exposed in Sahaja Yoga. Within one month's time I have seen people have become masters, absolute masters. We have here [inaudible] the one who has organized, and so many others who are sitting here; they are all masters of Kundalini. They are normal people; they are just like you, to look at. You don't have to change your dress or announce something or denounce something or give up something. It is just a happening; you become that. And it is within you. You know, you can see, you know you have it. But you do not put a signboard on you that "I am a realized Soul." But such a person can feel another's centers and can feel his own centers. This is Self-knowledge side. First, the yoga takes place by which the knowledge side. The first stage is of knowledge, that you start knowing about your centers others' centers, because on your head here, where the Kundalini touches, is the Feet of God Almighty, and they are expressed in your heart and your Spirit, and that's why you touch the Spirit within you. And once you have touched the Spirit within you, you touch the Spirit in everyone. You start feeling; actually it happens to you. Small children even, when they get Realization, immediately they start telling: "This is the finger catching, that is the finger catching." It's a subjective knowledge; means you become the master of it; you have that knowledge. Like human beings have much more knowledge than animals have. They know what is bad smell, what is good smell; they know what is beauty, what is not beauty. Animals cannot say that. In the same way, here it becomes your power. Your awareness itself develops a new dimension, an enlightenment, by which you start seeing in others what is the matter with them and what is the matter with you. So the second stage is the start of knowledge, that you start getting the knowledge as to what is your centers and what is the centers of others. Now, at this stage, when the knowledge starts, you see, we are so conditioned that we have sometimes some conditionings within us, and we pick up one sentence here and there, and we start doubting. This 'doubting Thomas' is a very great thing in this country; I have seen, I'm sorry to say. But In India the Kundalini doesn't rise so fast as it rises in the Western countries, because you are really saints and you are seekers and you are genuine. But the second stage in India doesn't happen so much in India as it happens here. I sometimes say that you have got food to eat and some people do not have teeth to eat the food, and some do not have food when they have teeth, something like that. So the Kundalini rises in the West so fast. Specially in America, I was surprised, thousands of people came to My program, and suddenly the Kundalini rose and they got the experience, and the second moment they started doubting. Now, this is something, for Me, it was very queer when I visited America, when it was in year seventy-three, I was amazed that how people could start doubting about it when they had an experience of it? Why don't they see whether it is true or not? Before that only they have started doubting, without even seeing what it is, whatever She has said is correct or not. Then they are walking off without even seeing it. I just could not understand their mind. I said, "What's wrong with these people. Why are they behaving like that?" I just could not understand them that time. But now I understand, I understand it now: because of your questioning mind, you see, you cannot get out of it very easily, and it starts questioning. You must question about everything; that's the style it is; the life is like that, that you have to question about everything. And you must question; it's a good thing; you should not follow anything blindly, readily. But when you have got it within you, still you go on questioning because, when you are standing, say, in the water, you are afraid of the waves, but you are aware of the waves and you know there are waves. But supposing somebody lifts you from there and puts you in the boat, still you have the same thing working on you, sort of, that feeling of giddiness that was there, and you still think: "I am sinking." And then you start questioning: "Am I on the right path or not? Am I on the wrong path?" Because of this problem so many fake people have taken advantage of you, so many fake people have taken, and they have really minted money in this country, and so many other countries. They come and tell you - they are something very big and bombastic - and they tell you: "You are not to ask us any questions. You have to pay so much money to us. You all don't have to tell anybody what we tell you. You all should be separated. You must meet us separately, privately." And a secrecy develops establish; I call it a 'spiritual mafia', and people are literally frightened of them. They are so afraid of them they think that: "If we divulge this thing, then we will be finished in our progress." And there are many people who have come in this country, your country - also in other countries - and have really exploited you completely and taken full advantage of your spiritual naivety. One has to know that it is a living process, the end of your evolution. This is the time which I call as The Last Judgment. In this only, you are going to be judged. And this is not going to be paid for. You cannot pay for it, you cannot pay for it. You have to just see that you are judged where, that's all. It is a different attitude when you go to a guru who takes money, and a different attitude when you come to Sahaja Yoga.Please remember that this is a gift for what you are. And also, if there is any problem, it can be corrected and can be put right. It's all free and it's a gift, because it has to happen, it is all promised. Just think, the whole Creation will be wasted if God's children, like you, do not know what He is, and you do not enjoy your fulfillment. That's why this has to happen. But if your attitude is like going to a shop, and you start asking that, "How many times should we do it? What is the way should we do it?" then it does not work out. It is a very spontaneous thing like, I would say, a candle is there and I have to enlighten another candle. So one candle which is enlightened just enlightens another candle because it is just there. In the same way, if I am an enlightened person, I just enlighten your candle, because you are just ready for it. And the enlightenment has to be absolutely free, absolutely free of charge. You cannot pay for God; you cannot pay for your Self-realization. I wish that the Western people could understand this. When I asked some of the people that, "Why did you pay for this guru, and why didn't you ask him a question that, 'Why we have to pay so much of money?'?"So they said that the guru said that, "You Westerners are such that unless and until you pay for it you are not involved."I said that, "You should really have seen that this man has no respect for you. What does he think of you: that, unless and until you pay for God, you won't be involved in God? To that limit?" Because all these institutions - so-called institutions, I call them - which have worked for God, have been working on moneymaking. Anywhere you go: "What are you doing?"-"Oh, we are collecting funds, we are having a fete."For what for the fete? Is this the job of God. Is He here to look after the poor and the rich through you people? Who has created poor and rich, is the human beings have done it. God has not done it. God is here to bestow upon you that bliss, that joy, which is surpassed by all material enjoyments and happiness. Once you get this, you just start enjoying it so much that you understand the futility of all these things. And you can live with very few things, and you can be the happiest person. I have seen people who came to Me who were alcoholics, absolute alcoholics, and the next day they gave up drinking. Because you start enjoying yourself so much, you never get bored; you get so relaxed that you just stop drinking. But the only problem, as I have told you, that you go home and start doubting, and then I cannot help you. You have to know that there are imperfections in all these centers. As a Mother I have to warn you that there are imperfections because of your naive-ness about things. Nobody has guided you properly. Some of the people who have been to some of these gurus and some of the other cults and things, have bigger problems than the rest of them. If you have led a very temperant life, and a normal life, it works in no time, and you do get it. And as it is, I have told you that you are real, genuine seekers who do get it. But the Kundalini is again sucked back if there is a problem in any one of your centers. For example, you are a liver patient; so at the first shot, after seeing Me, the Kundalini will shoot up, it will give you an experience but again it goes back. It's your Mother, so it goes back to your liver. And you can see it pulsating, you can see it, everybody can see it will go there and suggest that the liver is not all right. And it will supply to the liver, look after the liver, and then comes back and then goes. So it is so, that if you have any physical, emotional or mental problem, the Kundalini comes back and goes; so you have to have patience only. It is not just like touch and go. With some people it does; for example, Cooly, the one who was here, first day he came to Me in a very big crowd, I would say, and such cool vibrations that I started calling him 'Cooly' because he was really remarkable. He's a Greek boy from Cyprus, and I was surprised the way he got his Realization. Nobody got that cool, so I called him 'Cooly'. And I had met one doctor Cooly, he was a very fine man and a Realized Soul who - you might have also heard his name - he was doing heart operations and things. He looks also like him, so I called him 'Cooly', and though his name is Anthony I started calling him "Cooly". And since that day he is keeping up, though he catches a little bit on his heart,because he has done all kinds of things like Karate and Hatha Yoga and all kinds of things for his physical side, and he has put a little imbalances, but his vibrations he has never lost. There are many like that we have. And there are some people of such high caliber. Recently, I met about five-six of them; I was amazed, "Such great saints", I said. So, it is the judgment you will have of your own, but do not judge Me. I am beyond your understanding,just now. Till you have your vibrations established, you won't be able to judge Me; it's rather difficult. So I would request you that it is a question of judging your chakras, your centers, and it's a question of judging the centers of your friends and other people, and understanding them. And when you will understand all that, then you will start understanding Me also. Because many people do like this: that somebody will see, in India, I was wearing a white sari without a border, and he said: "Why are You wearing a sari without a border?"I said, "Now this is too much." Such frivolous and shallow people; do you think they should enter into the Kingdom of God? They really require more seeking and understanding of the subject. So, we have to understand, this is the greatest chance of our life. We have been seeking and seeking all our lives. It is described in one of the Puranas that once Kali - is the one who is ruling nowadays, the modern times, is the worst of all evil persons - who was caught by another, Nala [?], who was harmed by this evil personality. And he said that, "I am going to kill you. And you are the worst of all. And I don't know why do you exist on this Earth."Then he told him that, "You can kill me but I also have a meaning."- "What is your meaning and what is your fulfillment and why should you be there?"So he said that, "My importance is that, when this Kali Yuga, this modern times, is come, then people will go all wrong, confused, and be in a big confusion. But that is the time all the great saints who are now roaming about in the jungle and forests, and finding God, will come back as ordinary house-holders and will find the Truth."Nala said: "For that reason, I must leave you, because you must exist, and this should happen, because these saints have been seeking God for so many years." And that's how it has happened. Now, for giving lectures, you see, there's no end to it, and I've been lecturing and lecturing, from Greece to to Scotland, to here, to all the places, and they have got many tapes about it. Because this is vast knowledge and, if you gradually get exposed to it, and you'll be amazed how great you are and how much knowledge there is within us. So far whatever you have seen is not the Truth; It is beyond. Whatever you see now is just an illusion of the truth. The truth has to be within you. When the light will come in you, then you will understand, the truth is that you are an instrument of that God. Like this instrument is connected with the mains, now we can use it; in the same way, when you are connected with the mains, the Divine Power starts using you. You become a hollow personality, and you can maneuver it and you can place it, and you know how to use it and how to apply it, how to explain it, and how to give others also Self-realization. You'll be amazed; we have people here who must have given realization to hundreds of people. But in India we have people who have given Self-realization to thousands. And some of the saints are very highly-evolved saints who lived on Himalayas, and on so many mountains in India, who do not want to face the public. They came to see Me, one by one, and they said: "Mother, what are You doing? Why are You giving these powers to people? These are ordinary human beings."I said, "Maybe it's the will of God." But it's not that, because the time has come, the Blossom Time has come. When in the tree there are one or two flowers, when it is a small tree, we are not bothered and we do not see it. But when it is a blossom time, and the tree is fully grown, there are many flowers, and these flowers easily turn into fruits; and that is what is happening today. But we have to see how many of us really can get it. And this is the attitude one should have; a humble attitude one should have. Thank you very much.Of course I would like to have some questions from you, but you must understand that we are dealing here with many people, and you should not completely bring some prestige point, or some sort of a thing that you have been doing before, and keep everybody clogged to it, so that everybody benefits by it.Thank you very much.May God bless you. Seeker: [Question inaudible]Shri Mataji: You see, when I say He is on top of your head, it has a symbolic meaning. It means God is everywhere; His light is everywhere, all right? And 'He is on top of your head' means that, as you are a human being - now, you see in the picture, as shown here, that there are two sides within us: left and right side. One is our emotional side, we can say, and the other is the mental and the physical side. Now, when these two sides start working in the human being only, then what happens, because of their shape being like this and the brain being in a prism-like form, a kind of a by-product of our activities of emotional side and of our physical and mental side, starts coming out as balloons - I mean, this is all psychology I am telling you - and that is called as ego and super-ego in our brain. When this ego and super-ego start growing in childhood, when the child grows to about twelve years of age, then what happens that our fontanel bone area, where we get our baptism, becomes calcified. And that is how we get separated from God, in the sense there is a power of God within us, in the heart, expressed as Spirit, but the God's All-pervading Power is not felt by our awareness, we cannot feel it. We know there is God. I'll give an example, a simple example, for example if I say there are many pictures around here, you won't believe Me, but if I put a, for example, a television, or video tape, or something like that, something like that which will catch it, you will get all these pictures in that, but you do not see. What I mean is that God is around you, His is everywhere, His power is everywhere, it is All-pervading, but in a subtle way. And the Kundalini has to rise through our fontanel bone and enter into it. This is the way we have to enter into that All-pervading Power. This is what I am trying to tell you. When I say God is in your head I don't say God is sitting there; no, I don't mean that. What I'm saying that His Power there, is to be felt through this baptism only. It does not flow to your hands or your feet; it flows upwards. It flows upwards and comes out. That's how we are made; you see, we just can't help it. For example, if it is from here, it is from here; you cannot question it. So, when it opens out, our attention gets permeated into that All-pervading Power, and we start feeling it within. You can understand? It's more symbolic. Literally, if you take it, I mean, it will look odd. He's all everywhere, no doubt, but you cannot feel it, He's not in your awareness - means your central nervous cannot feel it, isn't it? But then you start feeling it, you get connected then, and a rapport is established. It's like a, I can say, a computer. You ask questions like: "Is there God?" Immediately waves of cool breeze start. Seeker: [Question inaudible]Shri Mataji:... When it settles there the Grace descends on these two centers - we call them Ida and Pingala nadis - these two channels they start.... But if you have read about Kundalini: horrifying experience, you see, all sorts of nonsense - forget it. Because those who have written also in English have not gone into it that thoroughly and are misunderstanding. I don't know what sort of translations they have made, because they have said that there are four types of Kundalini rising: in one which is described like an epileptic fit, I think; another one is something like a possessed person; the third one is another jumping, hopping type; and the the fourth one is the one that I am talking about. So they call it - this is in Maha Yoga/Sahaja Yoga - they call it 'Sahaja Yoga', you see, or Siddhi Yoga. These are the three names of Sahaja Yoga: one is Maha Yoga - means the 'greatest yoga', another is Siddhi/Siddha Yoga, or the Sahaja Yoga; they call it by three names. But they are saying that there are four types of Kundalini Jagruti. This is not; there are four kinds of people who proclaim to be the gurus, actually. You see, the one who is a demonic person, when he gives awakening, he has no authority; on the contrary he puts a spirit in you and you get these epileptic things, you start jumping and you start hopping and you start shouting, sometimes you roar like a lion. All these things happen when a person who is not an authorized guru but a demonic personality. But we can think they could not translate some of the words perhaps. I can only say that that must be the misquotes. They must not have understood the words they called as Rakshasas and Pisachas as we call it. I don't know why they have not been able to place it and call it its type. You see, it is unauthorized. Any person who is unauthorized who tries to raise the Kundalini can do tremendous [damage?]. It's very practical, you can understand: if I do not know how to handle this, and I put My finger in to some two holes I find, I get a shock and I say that Kundalini-rising is a shock, because you don't know where to handle it, what to do it. And there also people who are absolutely dangerous, and you can call them absolutely unauthorized. And if such people try to be holy people, they really are troubling the sadhakas, means the ones [who are seeking?]. So one has to have an authority, and one has to be a Sahaja Yogi, means the one who has the power to raise the Kundalini. If he does not have a power to raise the Kundalini, and to know how it rises, what are the chakras, then whatever he is doing is absolutely absurd. The one who does not know cars, for example...[inaudible] if you are not a driver and you start driving, then... In the same way, you do not say that car moves in four ways: by one it kills people, by another it jumps out of rock. You do not say like that. In the same way, this Kundalini-rising has been written in such a funny way in some of the very, very thick English books, that I was amazed, how could they not see this simple thing? Perhaps, you see, they have read some books and taken some translations from them, and they didn't have the experience or a proper man to guide them. But there is nothing like that happens in our centers [?]. Now in London itself we might be having about three to four hundred people who are really very good Sahaja Yogis, and really... in London city itself. And we have had thousands of them in England; nobody has said like that. But I have seen funny people coming. One man came in India itself, and was sitting with his both his feet towards Me, and the people said, "You cannot do like this. You cannot put your feet towards Her."He said, "Let me sit like this, otherwise my kundalini...[inaudible]""What happens?"He said, "I start hopping like a frog."Now the simple thing is, after becoming human beings, are we going to become frogs? We should understand, we are not going to become frogs and animals, that we are roaring like lions. And then another thing we should understand: if it is for our evolution, will God put something like this and torture us for nothing at all? He is the Ocean of Compassion, and He is the One who is going to give us all the properties that He has within us, and is bestowing on His own loving children. Is He going to make us miserable [inaudible]? Even, people talk of suffering, that you must make your body suffer - why? Why should you make your body... God has made this human body... these self-destructive things are not needed at all. You don't have to destroy others, neither to destroy yourself. You must have real compassion for yourself to begin with. All these methods of starvation, and doing all kinds of horrible things to your body, are nowhere near [inaudible]... are not to be done. It is not necessary. As if we didn't know that Christ Himself crucified just to pass through that gate and to make a way for us. Then why are you still crucifying yourself for nothing at all? Are you Christ? If you are doing it, then why? Everything He did is useless. That's why I felt that it is of importance that here is the...[inaudible] the area of your fontanel bone, here is the Kundalini. And there are many people... in Sanskrit language, in Hindi language, it is said that, "Here is the Anahatha, here is the pulsation. You can feel your pulsation when it comes up, then the pulsation disappears and you become [one with it (?)]" It is very simple - has to be, because whatever is important has to be simple. For example, your breathing: now if it is for that you have to go and read some book and then take it from some man by paying him money; how many people would exist on this earth? Everything important has to be very simple and spontaneous. Except when somebody is sick. Any questions? Or would you like to have the experience now, would you? Yes?Seeker: [Question inaudible]Shri Mataji: You see, acupuncture and all these systems started by, in the Chinese [inaudible] – there was a very great Sahaja Yogi was Lao Tse. He started acupuncture actually. And He has described Self-realization in a very clear way, absolute clear way. And He has said that nobody who is not a Self-realized shouldn’t do acupuncture at all. He has prohibited it completely for people who are not Realized souls; but everybody is doing it, which is a wrong thing. When you do in an unauthorised way, you do cure, but you create an imbalance in the body. I’ll tell you how it is cured. For example, here is …and you can see [inaudible]Both these centers look after the liver; this one and that one – partly. Now, these are the two points where they put the needle – supposing. Now, what happens, that by putting the needle there, a sort of an emergency is created in these two centers; for example, this one and this one, all right? When the emergency is created within us, these two centers start exhausting their energy, they start giving more energy and more energy to the Pingala, in the sense they start giving energy to liver, and liver gets cured. But there is no balance, because liver gets all right but you may develop some other diseases. You may become a person who is absolutely dry; you will be such a person that you will have no feelings for others. Because, if you start using this power too much, then the left side is neglected. If the left side is neglected, it will freeze and you will have the heart of a stone. And we do not see human being as a whole, we see him as a part, that’s why we do not understand that liver-curing is important, but what is important is that the whole of the man should be all right. What is the use of curing liver and getting cancer? It could amount to something like that. Now, a man who thinks too much, you see, works through this center, who plans too much, thinks too much, works through this center, because this center converts the fat globules for the use of the brain when you are thinking - to replace. Now, such a man neglects other organs which are looked after by this center. The man who is a great planner will have diabetes as a disease because his left side is completely frozen, he never uses it. He becomes emotionally a dry person and he develops diabetes. Doctors cannot cure diabetes- why? Because they do not know how to give a balance to man. But supposing if a Realized person does it, then he connects the person, the patient, to the mains. And then if you take energy from there for one person – doesn’t matter because you are exposed to the mains, and it is flowing all the time. You see, this is the difference. That’s why, in acupuncture, I have yet to come across people who are Self-realized, I have yet to come across; I’ve met many. And they don’t like it when I tell them, “Don’t do acupuncture before Realization.”One should not do anything in a naive manner, because you are creating problems for others, and for yourself also. Because by doing such things you are creating bad karmas for yourself. You are doing bad things, you are ruining man, and that’s how the bad karmas are coming into you, because you do not know what you are doing. For example, if you tell somebody to put your finger into the holes [of a plug], they will get a shock – unknowingly. And he gets a shock, of course he gets a shock; something will happen to him, no doubt, but something will happen to you also, that you will have bad karmas in you. You will have a much less chance of Realization than others have, because you have done something wrong to others – by mistake also. That’s why don’t enter into something which you do not know; is a wrong thing. Never get into that thing about which you do not know. First you should get into it, see for yourself how it goes out. Otherwise, there are people may take you into a very difficult situation. I have seen people in extremely difficult situations.I know of a lady - she had a guru with her - she had cancer. I was amazed: most of the people who have gurus, wrong type of gurus, get cancer. It's most surprising, but I have seen it. Because the left side catches. Most of them have gurus or they go to spiritualists, left side catches. So all these wrong cults and things that have started, without actualizing the experience, are very dangerous, and one should not do it. But nothing to be that worried and upset. It's a fact, see, one has to understand that, if you go into anything... supposing there is fire, and you enter in, you'll be burned. And also some spiritualists also cure - I've seen that - but they put another spirit into you. I had a lady in India - she came to Me - she went to a spiritualist to cure her husband from drink. So he gave up drinking and he started [inaudible]. So she went to him and he became an insolvent, you see, very rich man. So she said, "This is even worse than drinking." So she said, "Somehow or other, remove this from him." So then he became a thief, a kleptomaniac, he started thieving things from her because he had no money left also. So he used to thieve things; he did not know what he was doing. And then she got the fright of her life, because this man suddenly became all these three, and the whole thing was there, and he started manifesting all three devils within him. And still today we have not been able to cure him. It's like that. And the woman herself is now suffering and she gets these [fits?]. So these things are very dangerous, like calling the spirits; one should not play with these spirits at all; we should keep them out. Try to tell [God?], because He is really the one who keeps us away from spirits. So we are really surprisingly funny, in England, I have seen, all the churches have got all the dead bodies there down below your feet. Your children go to church, everybody. I don't know from where did you get this idea of putting all the dead in the churches. All right, if you want to put them in charge of God, have a different church for them. You are taking your innocent children, your people there. All of them are just under your feet, they are sleeping there, you disturb them, and they catch hold of you; they are not yet [reborn(?)]. And that is what it is; we have not to go near spirits. Spirits, and all those things, are not going to give us any powers. May seem all right at the time, but we have to ask for our own Spirit and our own powers. They give terrible trouble to Me also because, whenever a person comes from a spiritualist, he is singled out, and it's very difficult to give him Realization, and it takes the maximum time. But even if you have been, I mean, [we have worked, we have done it (?)] - so nothing to worry. Once we cure, you see, if we cure about five or ten people who are coming from spiritualists, I'm sure we will solve that problem. So shall we have now? Now, how do we do? You have to just put your feet, in a very relaxed manner, on the ground. Why on the ground, like this? You have to be relaxed, so that your body is little bit relaxed and there is no problem of your Kundalini to move. If you have very tight belts or something, you can loosen it - if it is very tight. If it is lightly tied it is all right. Or a tie or something, you find it tight. If it is not tight, it's all right; makes no difference. But there is a little expansion of the spinal cord when the Kundalini rises, so better to give it a chance to rise. And you just have to put your hands like this, just like this. Now, these are the fingers, as I have told you; all the sympathetic centers of the left and right are here. And when the power flows inside, it invites in the Void - there is a void in between - they are shown connected but they are not really connected within us - and when it enters there, the Kundalini receives the information at the point - I'm sorry, when it reaches the last chakra through these two: Ida and Pingala nadis. You see, these two; Ida and Pingala nadis, through them it reaches the first center there, you see; then a kind of a bridge is created on the Void, because this center informs the Kundalini that somebody is there who is authorized, and then She just starts pouring out by itself. And it passes here, and you become one with it. At that time, what happens? First of all, when it crosses this center, Agnya Chakra, then you become thoughtlessly aware - means there is no thought. You are aware, you are not fainting or anything, but you become peaceful, no thoughts are there. If you watch yourself, some of you must have been already without thought. To test it you watch Me without thinking - can you do it? If you can do it, that means you have crossed this point. When you cross this point, then you start getting Cool Breeze in your hands, and you feel really relaxed. After this, how to use the Cool Breeze and all that, you should again meet and understand it. But one feels extremely relaxed, and it's a very joy-giving experience. After that, one should try to keep thoughtlessly aware; try not to think. Tell yourself, "I don't have to think, I don't have to think", and go off to sleep. You get a very nice sleep. If, after this, you get this Yoga Nidra for, say, about twelve hours, nice sleep; or, say, ten hours, nice deep sleep, then you will be surprised that you will be established at a point where the doubts from the thought do not come into your mind. Because that's the one thing which is very dangerous. But when it establishes a little higher, then you become 'doubtlessly aware', when it becomes absolutely a conviction, then you do not have any doubts. But it is not through rationality; it is through the state you achieve within yourself. And, after that time, you start giving Realization to people, and, only if it crosses even Agnya, you can cure people. But don't do that. First thing you establish yourself, know yourself fully and take it. Nothing to show off, but to understand that we have to know ourselves fully, and we have to explore all our powers, and to be ourselves, genuinely, with all humility, and then only we are going to give it to others. Let our lights be fully established and then you'll be put on top of the rock where people can see you, and can know that here is the Light which is guiding us. Let's have it now. Please put your hands like this. You can put the paper down here if you want to, for the time being.Sit in a way that you are not uncomfortable. Comfort is important at this point. You should not be uncomfortable, because attention isn't running; just put your hands like this. But while sitting you must allow your feet to touch the ground fully, touch the ground fully; because the Mother Earth is one of the elements which has created some of our centers, so She sucks in some of your problems. So put your feet directly on the Mother Earth, just like this. If it is easy for you to take off your socks also, it would be a good idea, because mostly socks are of nylon, and they insulate you completely from Mother Earth. If you feel like taking off, you should take it. It would be good thing. Now, what happens, as I have told you, that in you hands you start getting Cool Breeze. Close your eyes because there is a dilation of the pupils when the Kundalini crosses over this; so please close your eyes. There is no hypnosis; you can see that. You have to close your eyes, and see if there is no thought. You just keep your eyes closed. But some of you may not be able to close them because there will be a flickering in your eyes; maybe some of you. If so, then you can open your eyes. But if there is no flickering, and if you can silence it, close your eyes and keep them closed. Some of you might be feeling in your fingers a little heat also, possibly. If so, just throw it away like that. Or maybe some tingling, maybe. It's due to some physical problem in the body. Just throw it away, if you feel the tingling. Now put your hands back. Some of you who are wearing specs also; if you can take it out it will be better. You'll be all right. Some flowers become the fruit first, and then later on, one by one, they are transformed. In the same way, it doesn't happen to everyone at the same time; so be a little patient with yourself. All those who are getting the Cool Breeze in the hands please raise your hands, all of you. Raise them high; even Sahaja Yogis. Good, good. Don't open your eyes; it will work out, just work out. So many have got it, and so many are going to get it. Gradually it will work out. If it is not working out, nothing to worry; it will work out, it's working out. Now let us have people who have got Cool Breeze, all of you. All of you who have got Cool Breeze please raise your hands. [Shri Mataji asks people individually what they are feeling. Mostly inaudible] ...Can you put your left hand on your liver. Liver is the common problem in this group... ...Did you go in the graveyard?

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“Self-realisation and fulfilment”, Public Programme. Caxton Hall, London, England. 6 August 1979. So much, already, has been said about Sahaja Yoga. As I have told you before, for new people I would like to say that, ‘saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’. It is born with you. It is with you. The germinating power which is going to connect you with the Divine is born with you. As you have a nose, eyes and face, in this body, in the same way this germinating power is within you, has been there for ages. In all your seekings it has been with you, and now the time has come - the blossom time has come, you can say - that people have to receive their connection with the Divine, otherwise the Divine will lose its own meaning. Unless and until you have your own meaning, unless and until you have your own fulfilment, your Creator, who has created you, is not going to get His own fulfilment. That’s why this grace, this special gift to the modern people, that you can really get your Self-realisation. But as Regis has pointed out very rightly, we have all the instruments very nicely placed within us, but since we are born we are attracted all the time by people who come forward with theories that they can introduce you to Divine. Or sometimes you feel that you can find it out. Sometimes we waste our time in very shallow life, all the time destroying ourselves or destroying others. All these things have a bearing on your instrument – which is a fact. So when you come to Sahaja Yoga I would request you to understand that there is no shop on here. It is for your betterment. It is your right also to achieve it and to get it. You are made human being from amoeba for this only. But this right comes to you because you deserve it. If you are not of that calibre you cannot get it. You have to have that calibre to get it. Those people who come here they do not get Realisation and then they start saying that, "Oh, Mother, we never got Realisation!" As if they are very proud of it! There’s nothing to be proud if you do not get your Realisation. One has to be serious about it and should get your Realisation now and here. If your calibre is very low, what can one do about it? What can one talk about it? In these days when people are so ego-oriented no one wants to listen about it unless and until you are hypnotised. In your freedom you do not know how to be humble sometimes. If you could be humble, if you could know one thing: that so far you have not got it and you have to get it, because that is what you are seeking, that is your own right to have it, that you are created for this, that you have been seeking for ages now, and you have been misled, have been misused, hoodwinked and you have been carrying on for days together, for years together with all kinds of tomfooleries. But when you come to Sahaja Yoga you want everything (clicks Her fingers) like that. That's a sign that you are free. That's a sign that you are free also to argue with me. It's a very good sign. I feel happy about it. But sometimes freedom can be abandonment. Freedom which does not have the background of wisdom has no meaning at all. Use your wisdom. This is not a place where you can pay for it, no. You are going to cash your seeking. If you are genuine seekers, all right, even if you have had problems, even if it was a mistake, one would go all the way to see that you get it, and you will get it. But are you really seeking? Is the point. I have seen people come here, just sitting down because they belong to a particular group or something, just to come and see: what we call in Hindi ‘tamasha’. It ‘s just a show they want to come and see. Is this the way are you going to waste your life? You have to evaluate yourself. You must know that you are seekers of the true nature and you are not bound to anyone because you have paid, because you are carrying somebody's symbols on your heads. You have to be yourself. If you pay respect to yourself, I am all with you. But if you have no respect for yourself, if you do not evaluate yourself and you want to waste your time with nonsensical things, what am I to do? You just tell me. What would you do in my place? I have limitless patience for you and love, lots of love for you, and I have told you that I am going to work it out for you, and work it out and work it out. I am not going to be tired of that. But you must little bit cooperate because you have to gain something, not me! The first thing you must understand [is] that you cannot hold me. I am a very difficult person, in a way that you can only hold me through your sincerity. I know everyone who is insincere, out and out. You will yourself pay for it. So be sincere to yourself. Is it difficult to be sincere to yourself? Be just sincere to yourself. Do not be conditioned by things which have not given you anything so far. Be sincere to yourself, respect yourself, evaluate yourself, that you are definitely something of a higher level that you are here today. You could have been in a pub. So you must get for which you have come here. There is no difficulty at all in getting that. On the contrary, on the first day most of those who have got Realisation here, will tell you, have got their Realisation with such a tremendous experience but have also lost it! Because when the Kundalini, which is in the triangular bone lying dormant, when She knows that there is somebody who can give you Realisation, who has authority to give you Realisation, She rises. You can see with your naked eyes. We can show you. The other day we had taken a picture of a person whose Kundalini was pulsating. It was interesting to see how clearly, even in the film, it was showing. You can see with your naked eyes. This is what should happen to you is the rising of the Kundalini. The other day I was amazed that somebody told me that in the Patanjali Yogashastra it is written in the third chapter that, “You must put your attention to the desha." Now, what is the English translation they have taken for ‘desha’? What is ‘desha’? Is the country, is the nation. What translation they have taken is ‘the territory’! Now this is something absurd, because supposing you have to pay attention, say, to your heart: heart centre is governed by the Deity of Primordial Mother - Jagadamba. She governs it. She is the Queen of that desh. She is the one who does everything. When you have to do the correction of this area, you have to go to the Queen, ask Her permission, let Her know your difficulty, and She will correct you. While they are saying that, let us say, ‘bronchial tube’. This is just a territory. Now supposing we are in this area sitting down: now this is the territory of this place and we have to do something here - can we do it? Are we supposed to do it? No. We'll have to go to the authority, ask the gentleman. He’ll put his own people or his own artist or his own architects or whatever is the job is, and correct it by his own authority. Can we correct anything here if we want to? But these small things also, you have not been able to see so clearly, that by calling some name of say “Caxton Hall, Caxton Hall, Caxton Hall,” do you reach there? All the science of God is going to be exposed before you, completely. You are going to know the complete science of Divine Laws. They are very different from the ordinary laws we know. But first enter into the Kingdom of God. That's why I say first get your Self-realisation. Some people, of course, in the former days, cleansed all these chakras one by one. But they were all realised-souls. I don't find any one of these people being realised-souls. First, important thing: a realised-soul never takes any money from anyone. It’s beyond his dignity to live on the money of other people. Secondly, he doesn't show of his powers, but he gives you powers. Thirdly, he never keeps anything as a secret. Is it a Mafia going on, that we should keep secrets? When we are talking of collective consciousness, when we are talking of the consciousness of the whole, how can you keep it a secret? Every one of you have to know what's wrong with others, what's wrong with you, what's wrong with the whole. Otherwise, what is the use of such secretive people? Imagine in this whole body of ours, if one cell becomes secret, it does not communicate what is has got and another becomes secret. You may develop gangrene or you may develop horrible diseases like cancer and something like that. A person who is a realised-soul is an open slate: anybody can see such a person. It's an open slate, absolutely an open slate, and you cannot by any chance purchase such a person or dictate such a person. He lives in his own world. And once you get your powers you become the same. In Sahaja Yoga when the Kundalini rises - I mean, by no other means it rises, only through Sahaja Yoga it rises - when it rises and opens the Sahasrara here, then you become one with that All-pervading Divine Power. You become; it’s an actualisation. It’s not a lecture or anything like that. It’s no impression on you, no cinema, nothing! It’s a thing that happens to you by which you start feeling on your fingers the different chakras and the different happenings in other people. Now the trouble with us is like this: we have had many fake people, many scriptures, many books. Some say the Christianity disillusioned them, some say Hinduism has disillusioned them. They are all disillusioned. So they think everything is an illusion. Now one should know that if there is a copy, there has to be something, the absolute. Every copy must have an absolute. Otherwise, how do you get the copy? But you can make out a copy. Say, in his days Constable was copied by somebody very well. All right, he sold [paintings] also, but they found it out that it was not Constable. Then the reality that is expressed and manifested through a realised-soul, can anyone copy it? You can find him out in no time, just like that, if you are a little bit intelligent and alert. That's the second point. Not that you are not intelligent - you are all very smart - but there is somebody who can outsmart you. And that outsmarting comes in [your] confidence in your own smartness. The person who has outsmarted you is the one who has copied. And this copy can be found out only if you are a connoisseur. Now how do you become a connoisseur? Not by surrendering to every person, no; but by getting the degree as described in all the scriptures. Now what is the degree described in all the scriptures? Is that you must get your second birth. You must get your Self-realisation. Did any one of them say that to you, except for me, that you are here to get your second birth, you are to be born again? While they will tell you, "Yes, but it is very difficult. You will have to pay for your karmas. You will have to do this. It's not an easy thing. You go on for fifteen years." I don't say that. But what do you have to give me is difficult: is your sincerity. When you pay money you become sincere about it: this is something absurd about human beings I really don't understand! Actually, when I pay money I should become a little bit confused about it. But people become really sincere when they pay money. You see, you go to see a cinema, you pay money for it, and it's a horrid one, you cannot enjoy it any more. I mean, it's terrible. Still you say, "Let's go through it. After all, we have paid!" So the payment of money is the fixation, first of all. And there you think that, "Oh, we paid it. Now we should pay little more!" Like a competition starts. And you do not see what the other person who has done twelve years where is he? And I have done one year, where am I? You are all running a rat race there, reaching nowhere. Self-realisation is a thing which is an actualisation, should work in you. At least in some if it has worked, it is there. How many there are people who will say that, "We are Self-realised"? Recently I had a note from one guru because by mistake I said perhaps he touched Self-realisation, to come and verify from me whether he's a Self-realised or not. Very few people will say that, that, "I am a Self-realised-soul." Very few people will say that because they know what they are facing then. Self-realisation doesn’t give you any horns. On the contrary, you become so humble. I have seen people who are Self-realised who are sitting down here, have given Realisation to so many. We have one boy, Maharaj, in South Africa. Today only he rang me up. He has given Realisation to so many people that he says, "I can't believe it." He has cured people of diseases. He has done this and he has done that. He says, "I can't believe it, Mother. For what have You given me all these powers?" Just now somebody from Glasgow told me that he has given ten Realisations to people on one day! You can see the Kundalini rising, you can see the working of it, there's actual in it. You are such scientific people: why do you believe into some make-beliefs like that, that you go on for years together and ages together, killing yourself, killing your money, killing your wife, killing your children and achieving nothing whatsoever? You have to have the knowledge of the Divine, and that is only possible when you have the eyes to see. Those who cannot see, how can you describe the colours, the beauty of that love, the working of that love? So I say, I request you, that you get your Realisation. Be sensible children! Be nice! Be good to yourself. Get your Self-realisation - that's most important - and then work it out. Now for Sahaja Yogis who are already realised, a little bit of it I have to talk to them because I am going to India for a month. And what I have to tell to Sahaja Yogis today is that they are realised, most of them have got vibrations, they are getting vibrations all right, they get caught up very much and they get involved. So detachment is to be worked out. Now detachment is a thing people don't understand what it means. They will wear some sort of a dress to show they are detached. They'll take one cot and sleep under a tree and say they are detached. There also they will have a lock to their box! Or else they'll go in the Himalayas and they'll think they are detached. Detachment is a state of mind within. It's not without. It cannot be expressed in clothes or in a kind of a way of life or and all that, but it is a thing inside. And the best way to judge it is when you try to give Realisation to someone: are you in sympathy with that person? Because he is from the same guru you are, so are you giving Realisation to that person? Are you more concerned with that person because he's from the same clan from where you come or from nation where you come? This so-called sympathy...Sympathy is a wonderful word: sym-pa-thy. 'Sym' is ‘to share’ and 'pathy' is ‘the pathos’. So you share the pathos! It's the best part of what sympathy is. Sympathy is not the thing [but] compassion. It just flows. It just flows. You don't have to sympathise with any one. Just it flows and works. That is compassion. That comes out of detached being which just flows. He’s not bothered about what clan he comes from, what country he comes from, no association with your outside. Whether he is your brother or sister or not. Whether he is your enemy or not. You just work for that person out of compassion, like a river flows, like the sun shines for everyone. In the same way you become an akarmi: means you are not attached to the karmas that you are doing. This is a very simple rule one has to follow: is not to sympathise with anyone. And then this leads to another problem: you sympathise with someone and you will get a hundred and one [people] every day who will be just telling you and crying and telling you how miserable they are, absolutely miserable! So how will you correct them? By sitting with them and crying? Or just telling them “You get your Realisation first”? All this is coming to you from your Left Side or from your Right Side. Be in the centre! We’ll work it out! It’s a different state of mind where you reach. It’s a different state of awareness where you are: into super-awareness, where you see the whole thing just like a drama, where there is not unhappiness and happiness but only joy remains. This detached stage is an achievement which Sahaja Yogis should develop. It's very easy being alert about your oneself, when you start taking interest in others - or in [anything] whatsoever, whatever is the thing. For example: a child, if you give him a child, now if he comes here, it will start running all over the places, touching everything, jumping over it, doing this, doing that – finished! It might collect few candles, make some sort of a toy out of it, throw it away and go away. The child is not bothered as to what is the future of that or past of that, it just works out and finishes. It's just a play. But I cannot do it by giving you this sermon. You have to achieve it! Sahaja Yoga is experiencing and achieving. The one who achieves, achieves for himself. The one who experiences, experiences for himself, and when he does that, he does for the whole. He creates a nucleus for the whole and the whole starts working in such a manner that you are amazed how in a collective way so many people start getting Realisation. Each one of you, who are Sahaja Yogis, are capable of giving Realisation to one thousand people every day, minimum. But you don't try, you are shy, you are humble and you don’t want to claim that you are a realised-soul. Actually, I should ask them to put on their heads saying that, "I am a realised-soul". What's wrong in it? But you feel shy about it and you don't talk about it,. While I have seen people without any knowledge, without any authority, will have a big flag and a big ashram and will be somebody, will be beating the drums, "Here, says the Falana Yogi! Come along, come along, come along!" And everybody will be piling up, and you go and find some horrible hypocrite sitting down there, wearing artificial moustaches and artificial beard. But, for Sahaja Yogis, it is important to find out as many as possible, to give them Realisation, to bring them to Realisation. Work it out in your own way. Find out what's the matter with people: why they are like that. Sit down, discuss it. Find out why people are not coming to Realisation and going to false things which are of no use. Think about it. You are the best to tell me and you are the best judge. For you meditation is very important because after Realisation you can see in your light what your problems are, without being afraid of them. And also you know in Sahaja Yoga technique how to cleanse yourself, how to take out your karmas, how to cleanse yourself completely, and how to get completely rid of all your problems. So take it up seriously! Meditate! You know how to meditate. You know how to clear out. You know what are the chakras which are caught. Help others. Meditation must be done religiously and regularly. There aren't many "don’ts" in Sahaja Yoga, because Sahaja Yoga itself looks after many of your things. You cannot keep your old habits. It just drops. You drop [them] automatically. But you must meditate, you must learn how to meditate. And if you have any particular problem you can ask your friends. [There’s] no harm in asking, not to feel shy about it and you all must help each other. We are all part and parcel of one Being and we have to help each other as much as possible. And those who have known Sahaja Yoga for so many days and who are now quite well-equipped with the knowledge of Sahaja Yoga: you must ask them, take their advice what is to be done, how to work it out and steady down yourself. You have to steady yourself. Unless and until you have a proper attitude towards Sahaja Yoga it won't work out. If it is just a tertiary matter or secondary matter it's not going to work out. It has to be the first thing in life and the rest of the things should be secondary. Because you are evolved, all right, but your evolution is not yet steady and you have not been able to give that fulfilment to your being which gives you complete satisfaction and complete joy. Unless and until you achieve that state you are not going to be happy with yourself either. So please try to meditate and meditate. People give excuses: "I can't meditate here. I cannot meditate there. I can't do." This is all wrong. This is not the way you are going to improve. It is for you to achieve this. Wherever you get the chance you try to meet these people in the ashram, see there, and try to find out places where one can work it out and one can give Realisation to others. All shallowness of life, all foolish hankerings and things will drop out gradually. But if you want you can also, because now you are Self-realised, you are well equipped and that you have got special powers to do that. Now I am going to India. I am taking your message to your brothers and sisters in India. They are in thousands, you know that. And in the villages they are so simple and nice and it’s spreading like fire in India in the villages. Not in the cities, because city people are developing themselves; they are getting sophisticated. But in the villages people are very simple and Sahaja Yoga is working wonders there. In the same way you can also find out here many people who are of a very simple nature [that] would like to come to Sahaja Yoga. Through many methods you can invite them. For example, I would say, this boy in South Africa, he came down here, stayed here in the ashram. He was realised long time back. But he learnt all the techniques. He went back to South Africa and the first thing he started was to give out the photographs to people for treatment, and many people got cured gradually. And then he had some problems: he telephoned to me that, “This is happening, that is happening.” But for such people who are in need of physical benevolence it is better to work it out that way, with some people, and then the news spreads and how, gradually, people come to you. But there must be some people with sound physique also who want God, who are seeking God. In Sahaja Yoga you will find meaning to all the religions of the world, to all the great incarnations who have come on this Earth. Because they came here to give you all the steps which are required for your evolution. You all should now concentrate on the chakras which are not all right within you. Concentrate on the chakras and the Deities on the chakras. Wherever is the problem, you just concentrate on that, and put your attention to it. With your attention you can clear it. Take the name of the Deity at that point, as you know the mantras are, you know how to point the mantras yourself. Now you know all the shastras of mantras. So you put your mantras properly wherever is the need. Then you put the complete attention flowing – dharana. Absolutely, you see, till it sustains it completely, continuously within you. And then you go into your enlightened awareness, samadhi. So this is dhyan, dharana and samadhi. Enlightened awareness, first of all, is thoughtless awareness. So try to keep in thoughtless awareness and also later on into collective consciousness. These are the two stages you have already reached. Try to maintain them, clear them and establish yourself there. This is the way it should be done. And as we call in Hindi language baithak: you must have a baithak, means you should be able to sit on it, you should be able to do it for quite some time. But not with what you call a kind of a obstinacy about it, but out of joy. As long as you feel the joy of it, you start doing it. And you will be amazed to see how you establish your chakras and your Deities and at the beck and call of you, just even a mention of that, it will start working like that. I want, whatever I am, I should give it to you. All that I have. Because I have nothing to gain. I had all these, all years, all ages. What I want is that you should have it now and let me see you prosper, like the Mother Earth flowers in the blossoms and the fragrance spreads, I would like to see all of you blossom and your fragrance spreads throughout the nations and the whole of this universe, the whole of this world; the whole of these nations should be transformed into the new world of beauty, grace and bliss of God. May God bless you. Every one of the Sahaja Yogis must get at least ten people by the time I come back. Try, you can do it. Thank you. With the Master going away. In the same way you should also know that, whatever talents you have you must increase them and increase them and get more and more people for Sahaj. Those who have come for the first time, please raise your hands, for the first time. Please raise your hands. Now, can you come here forward? I would like to see you. Please come. Let them sit down. Sit please. Give them some chairs. Yes, that's comfortable. Many obstructions in the Sahaja Yoga comes from physical being, very much, if you are not keeping good health. Then first that hurdle is corrected, when the Kundalini rises. The second one is from your mental being. Supposing you are a very disturbed person, also you get a problem: in raising the Kundalini there is a problem. And the third one comes from your mental attitude. Say, if you are over-read and some conceptions are in your head about Self-realisation, also, it takes time. The fourth one, which is the most important is that, if you have had any spiritual drawbacks, initiated by some people who want to sort of exploit the situation, then that becomes a very big hurdle to you. Even if you have been interested in the spiritual sort of thing - going to the spirits and all that - that also has a very bad effect. So one should not worry. Even if there is a problem, it can be corrected. It has to be corrected and it would be corrected. But, as I said, that Realisation is within your reach: nothing to be frightened about. If there is any such problem, we'll correct it. For that we use a method, a technique, which all the Sahaja Yogis know. For example, they raise your Kundalini. I can raise also. I raise my own Kundalini on which I raise your own Kundalini. This is called as Dhyana Yoga. Actually, Sahaja Yoga is the Maha Yoga. It's the greatest yoga by which, you see, you can raise the Kundalini of another person with your own hand, because the vibrations are flowing from your own hand, the Divine vibrations. It can invite and it’s subtle. It can give you a balance. If it is more on the right or left, you can give it a balance. If any centres are in problem you can give them vibrations and the centres can be all right, you can cure the centres. And the centres can be given more power to come together and work it out. Like cancer disease now, for example, in which the centres are separated: these two centres get separated because the cells become on their own, start extracting the energy too much, and there is no control left. Now when this happens, then it is necessary to bring both the centres together like this, from the left and the right and put them together like this. For that it is necessary to give vibrations there. And that’s why some people will have to give you vibrations on one centre. But that should not upset you. It is so surprising that some people when they are given vibrations, they don’t like it, they don’t like this. They are so sensitive about things. But there’s nothing going to go wrong with you. When Mohammed Sahib taught people how to do namaz they all used to laugh at Him. What He taught was nothing but the Kundalini rising. He just taught the Kundalini rising. And, by Kundalini rising, He wanted people to get Realisation. But they all went wrong because there was nobody Self-realised to do all that job, except for Him or His Son-in-law, his Daughter or His Grandsons. The rest were all good for nothing people perhaps, or maybe it declined after sometime. And the whole system of namaz became just what you call a formal stuff, and nobody knows why, what it is for. But they are just doing it because they are told. Nobody laughs at it now! When it was genuine everybody laughed at it. In the same way the technique of Sahaja Yoga is to be understood gradually by you. If others are giving you vibrations you shouldn’t mind. Tomorrow you will be doing it, you will be giving Realisation to others then. You are going to do it yourself, everything that they are doing today. And there’s nothing to feel funny about it. Just they will just move the Kundalini at the back, just like this. Or they might just give you a balance like this. There is nothing to feel so much upset about it. There’s nothing nonsensical about it. It’s a technique which is written in all the scriptures. Kabira has described it, Nanaka has described it. All the other scriptures of Shankaracharya has described it. If you read Markandeya he has described it. [There’s] nothing new about it. But because you do not know it, you are naive about it, that’s why you don’t understand. But nothing is going to harm you. That is how you cure people and you make them feel better. There’s nothing to be upset about anything whatsoever. Now we have some people here who are born-realised and they have the knowledge of Kundalini within them. They are born like that. We have one little boy here, he's a born-realised. He lives in Holland. There are many children who are born-realised, and they understand me much better. And they start working on Kundalini in no time. And most surprising: I find most of the Sahaja Yogis’ children are born-realised. Even those who come to my programme, their children are mostly born-realised. And I request people to bring their children because perhaps they are here because of their children. And they understand it very well. They know how to work it out. They know how to carry it out. I don't have to tell them anything. So one has to know: there is something which is very, very genuine and clear. Only thing is you do not know about it, you have not seen it, felt it, that’s why you find it little different. But it is different. It is a different thing, isn’t it? After all, when you come to London, you find London is little different from India. And here you have to use something which you do not use in India. So, it’s a little different, but still you have to use it if you have to live here. In the same way when you enter into the Kingdom of God, you have to know how to use your hands, how to use your feet, how to use your whole movement of your Kundalini and of others. That gradually you will learn, so nothing to be afraid of. But again and again, one has to say that it’s a serious matter. You cannot do [it]. You may get your Realisation just like that. You’ll feel very nice. But do not give it up: come back again, assemble together, establish yourself and then you will know what you are fully well and how much you are capable of. May God bless you. So now, if you put all your hands just like this. You may close your eyes. Now, just watch. If your eyes are closed without any strain or without any flickering of the eyelids then it is all right. But if there is any flickering please open them. If there is no flickering in the eyelids then it is all right. You can see yourself. Now when the Kundalini rises above the Agnya Chakra which is this where my red mark is, in the centre of the brain, where the optic chiasma is, then you become relaxed. (break in recording) With great poise and with great understanding, you just watch yourself. Is there any thought in your mind? Just see for yourself. It is you who has to certify yourself. Now, if there is no thought then you pay attention to the top of your head very slowly, not in a very pushing manner, or anything. Just here. You pay your attention there. We are putting off lights because there should not be much strain on your eyes. Now what happens is you start feeling cool breeze in your fingers coming towards your palm. Maybe you are feeling hot, if so, throw it away like that - if you are feeling hot. With both the hands, not together but away from each other, and pressing both fingers like this. Just press them forward like that. But both the hands should be on both the...yes. Now keep your eyes shut because the dilatation of the pupil takes place when the Kundalini rises. Those who are feeling cool breeze in the hands, please raise your hands. All of you who are feeling cool breeze in the hands. Good! Are you? Little bit? Not yet? Are you feeling? Little bit, little bit. It’s starting. Just both of you, you are going to get it slowly, slowly. What about you, my child? No? Please put your hands here. Are you keeping all right health-wise? Better now, see. Put both your feet like this, straight, on the ground, here. Feet on the ground like this, separate, here. Yes. Are you getting? Are you feeling? Little bit, yes. Are you feeling? Not yet. All right. You don't feel it? Just see. Wait and see. It will work out. It will work out. It is going to work out. It works out. Good, here it is working out. Just you can feel there, if they are feeling all right. You can get up and see if it is there. Come up. Some of you should get up: Gavin. She's got it. She's got it. Both of them. He’s got it. You’ve got it too, definitely. Keep your eyes shut. This is the greatest experience of ages now. Keep your eyes shut. Enjoy yourself, absolutely! Enjoy yourself! What about you? Not yet? What is it? You have some problem here? Here? All right, that's it. We’ll correct it. You’ve got it, very well. May God bless you. Liver, liver. Just you look after your liver. And very sad. Is he all right Don? Good. No, he’s alright. What’s it? Heart? Put your hand on his back, .Just hold your breath. All right? Hmm, leave it! (release your breath). Why don’t you see each other, will be a good idea: check each other! It’s a very good idea. Check each other. Come along.

“Self-realisation and fulfilment”, Public Programme. Caxton Hall, London, England. 6 August 1979. So much, already, has been said about Sahaja Yoga. As I have told you before, for new people I would like to say that, ‘saha’ means ‘with’, ‘ja’ means ‘born’. It is born with you. It is with you. The germinating power which is going to connect you with the Divine is born with you. As you have a nose, eyes and face, in this body, in the same way this germinating power is within you, has been there for ages. In all your seekings it has been with you, and now the time has come - the blossom time has come, you can say - that people have to receive their connection with the Divine, otherwise the Divine will lose its own meaning. Unless and until you have your own meaning, unless and until you have your own fulfilment, your Creator, who has created you, is not going to get His own fulfilment. That’s why this grace, this special gift to the modern people, that you can really get your Self-realisation. But as Regis has pointed out very rightly, we have all the instruments very nicely placed within us, but since we are born we are attracted all the time by people who come forward with theories that they can introduce you to Divine. Or sometimes you feel that you can find it out. Sometimes we waste our time in very shallow life, all the time destroying ourselves or destroying others. All these things have a bearing on your instrument – which is a fact. So when you come to Sahaja Yoga I would request you to understand that there is no shop on here. It is for your betterment. It is your right also to achieve it and to get it. You are made human being from amoeba for this only. But this right comes to you because you deserve it. If you are not of that calibre you cannot get it. You have to have that calibre to get it. Those people who come here they do not get Realisation and then they start saying that, "Oh, Mother, we never got Realisation!" As if they are very proud of it! There’s nothing to be proud if you do not get your Realisation. One has to be serious about it and should get your Realisation now and here. If your calibre is very low, what can one do about it? What can one talk about it? In these days when people are so ego-oriented no one wants to listen about it unless and until you are hypnotised. In your freedom you do not know how to be humble sometimes. If you could be humble, if you could know one thing: that so far you have not got it and you have to get it, because that is what you are seeking, that is your own right to have it, that you are created for this, that you have been seeking for ages now, and you have been misled, have been misused, hoodwinked and you have been carrying on for days together, for years together with all kinds of tomfooleries. But when you come to Sahaja Yoga you want everything (clicks Her fingers) like that. That's a sign that you are free. That's a sign that you are free also to argue with me. It's a very good sign. I feel happy about it. But sometimes freedom can be abandonment. Freedom which does not have the background of wisdom has no meaning at all. Use your wisdom. This is not a place where you can pay for it, no. You are going to cash your seeking. If you are genuine seekers, all right, even if you have had problems, even if it was a mistake, one would go all the way to see that you get it, and you will get it. But are you really seeking? Is the point. I have seen people come here, just sitting down because they belong to a particular group or something, just to come and see: what we call in Hindi ‘tamasha’. It ‘s just a show they want to come and see. Is this the way are you going to waste your life? You have to evaluate yourself. You must know that you are seekers of the true nature and you are not bound to anyone because you have paid, because you are carrying somebody's symbols on your heads. You have to be yourself. If you pay respect to yourself, I am all with you. But if you have no respect for yourself, if you do not evaluate yourself and you want to waste your time with nonsensical things, what am I to do? You just tell me. What would you do in my place? I have limitless patience for you and love, lots of love for you, and I have told you that I am going to work it out for you, and work it out and work it out. I am not going to be tired of that. But you must little bit cooperate because you have to gain something, not me! The first thing you must understand [is] that you cannot hold me. I am a very difficult person, in a way that you can only hold me through your sincerity. I know everyone who is insincere, out and out. You will yourself pay for it. So be sincere to yourself. Is it difficult to be sincere to yourself? Be just sincere to yourself. Do not be conditioned by things which have not given you anything so far. Be sincere to yourself, respect yourself, evaluate yourself, that you are definitely something of a higher level that you are here today. You could have been in a pub. So you must get for which you have come here. There is no difficulty at all in getting that. On the contrary, on the first day most of those who have got Realisation here, will tell you, have got their Realisation with such a tremendous experience but have also lost it! Because when the Kundalini, which is in the triangular bone lying dormant, when She knows that there is somebody who can give you Realisation, who has authority to give you Realisation, She rises. You can see with your naked eyes. We can show you. The other day we had taken a picture of a person whose Kundalini was pulsating. It was interesting to see how clearly, even in the film, it was showing. You can see with your naked eyes. This is what should happen to you is the rising of the Kundalini. The other day I was amazed that somebody told me that in the Patanjali Yogashastra it is written in the third chapter that, “You must put your attention to the desha." Now, what is the English translation they have taken for ‘desha’? What is ‘desha’? Is the country, is the nation. What translation they have taken is ‘the territory’! Now this is something absurd, because supposing you have to pay attention, say, to your heart: heart centre is governed by the Deity of Primordial Mother - Jagadamba. She governs it. She is the Queen of that desh. She is the one who does everything. When you have to do the correction of this area, you have to go to the Queen, ask Her permission, let Her know your difficulty, and She will correct you. While they are saying that, let us say, ‘bronchial tube’. This is just a territory. Now supposing we are in this area sitting down: now this is the territory of this place and we have to do something here - can we do it? Are we supposed to do it? No. We'll have to go to the authority, ask the gentleman. He’ll put his own people or his own artist or his own architects or whatever is the job is, and correct it by his own authority. Can we correct anything here if we want to? But these small things also, you have not been able to see so clearly, that by calling some name of say “Caxton Hall, Caxton Hall, Caxton Hall,” do you reach there? All the science of God is going to be exposed before you, completely. You are going to know the complete science of Divine Laws. They are very different from the ordinary laws we know. But first enter into the Kingdom of God. That's why I say first get your Self-realisation. Some people, of course, in the former days, cleansed all these chakras one by one. But they were all realised-souls. I don't find any one of these people being realised-souls. First, important thing: a realised-soul never takes any money from anyone. It’s beyond his dignity to live on the money of other people. Secondly, he doesn't show of his powers, but he gives you powers. Thirdly, he never keeps anything as a secret. Is it a Mafia going on, that we should keep secrets? When we are talking of collective consciousness, when we are talking of the consciousness of the whole, how can you keep it a secret? Every one of you have to know what's wrong with others, what's wrong with you, what's wrong with the whole. Otherwise, what is the use of such secretive people? Imagine in this whole body of ours, if one cell becomes secret, it does not communicate what is has got and another becomes secret. You may develop gangrene or you may develop horrible diseases like cancer and something like that. A person who is a realised-soul is an open slate: anybody can see such a person. It's an open slate, absolutely an open slate, and you cannot by any chance purchase such a person or dictate such a person. He lives in his own world. And once you get your powers you become the same. In Sahaja Yoga when the Kundalini rises - I mean, by no other means it rises, only through Sahaja Yoga it rises - when it rises and opens the Sahasrara here, then you become one with that All-pervading Divine Power. You become; it’s an actualisation. It’s not a lecture or anything like that. It’s no impression on you, no cinema, nothing! It’s a thing that happens to you by which you start feeling on your fingers the different chakras and the different happenings in other people. Now the trouble with us is like this: we have had many fake people, many scriptures, many books. Some say the Christianity disillusioned them, some say Hinduism has disillusioned them. They are all disillusioned. So they think everything is an illusion. Now one should know that if there is a copy, there has to be something, the absolute. Every copy must have an absolute. Otherwise, how do you get the copy? But you can make out a copy. Say, in his days Constable was copied by somebody very well. All right, he sold [paintings] also, but they found it out that it was not Constable. Then the reality that is expressed and manifested through a realised-soul, can anyone copy it? You can find him out in no time, just like that, if you are a little bit intelligent and alert. That's the second point. Not that you are not intelligent - you are all very smart - but there is somebody who can outsmart you. And that outsmarting comes in [your] confidence in your own smartness. The person who has outsmarted you is the one who has copied. And this copy can be found out only if you are a connoisseur. Now how do you become a connoisseur? Not by surrendering to every person, no; but by getting the degree as described in all the scriptures. Now what is the degree described in all the scriptures? Is that you must get your second birth. You must get your Self-realisation. Did any one of them say that to you, except for me, that you are here to get your second birth, you are to be born again? While they will tell you, "Yes, but it is very difficult. You will have to pay for your karmas. You will have to do this. It's not an easy thing. You go on for fifteen years." I don't say that. But what do you have to give me is difficult: is your sincerity. When you pay money you become sincere about it: this is something absurd about human beings I really don't understand! Actually, when I pay money I should become a little bit confused about it. But people become really sincere when they pay money. You see, you go to see a cinema, you pay money for it, and it's a horrid one, you cannot enjoy it any more. I mean, it's terrible. Still you say, "Let's go through it. After all, we have paid!" So the payment of money is the fixation, first of all. And there you think that, "Oh, we paid it. Now we should pay little more!" Like a competition starts. And you do not see what the other person who has done twelve years where is he? And I have done one year, where am I? You are all running a rat race there, reaching nowhere. Self-realisation is a thing which is an actualisation, should work in you. At least in some if it has worked, it is there. How many there are people who will say that, "We are Self-realised"? Recently I had a note from one guru because by mistake I said perhaps he touched Self-realisation, to come and verify from me whether he's a Self-realised or not. Very few people will say that, that, "I am a Self-realised-soul." Very few people will say that because they know what they are facing then. Self-realisation doesn’t give you any horns. On the contrary, you become so humble. I have seen people who are Self-realised who are sitting down here, have given Realisation to so many. We have one boy, Maharaj, in South Africa. Today only he rang me up. He has given Realisation to so many people that he says, "I can't believe it." He has cured people of diseases. He has done this and he has done that. He says, "I can't believe it, Mother. For what have You given me all these powers?" Just now somebody from Glasgow told me that he has given ten Realisations to people on one day! You can see the Kundalini rising, you can see the working of it, there's actual in it. You are such scientific people: why do you believe into some make-beliefs like that, that you go on for years together and ages together, killing yourself, killing your money, killing your wife, killing your children and achieving nothing whatsoever? You have to have the knowledge of the Divine, and that is only possible when you have the eyes to see. Those who cannot see, how can you describe the colours, the beauty of that love, the working of that love? So I say, I request you, that you get your Realisation. Be sensible children! Be nice! Be good to yourself. Get your Self-realisation - that's most important - and then work it out. Now for Sahaja Yogis who are already realised, a little bit of it I have to talk to them because I am going to India for a month. And what I have to tell to Sahaja Yogis today is that they are realised, most of them have got vibrations, they are getting vibrations all right, they get caught up very much and they get involved. So detachment is to be worked out. Now detachment is a thing people don't understand what it means. They will wear some sort of a dress to show they are detached. They'll take one cot and sleep under a tree and say they are detached. There also they will have a lock to their box! Or else they'll go in the Himalayas and they'll think they are detached. Detachment is a state of mind within. It's not without. It cannot be expressed in clothes or in a kind of a way of life or and all that, but it is a thing inside. And the best way to judge it is when you try to give Realisation to someone: are you in sympathy with that person? Because he is from the same guru you are, so are you giving Realisation to that person? Are you more concerned with that person because he's from the same clan from where you come or from nation where you come? This so-called sympathy...Sympathy is a wonderful word: sym-pa-thy. 'Sym' is ‘to share’ and 'pathy' is ‘the pathos’. So you share the pathos! It's the best part of what sympathy is. Sympathy is not the thing [but] compassion. It just flows. It just flows. You don't have to sympathise with any one. Just it flows and works. That is compassion. That comes out of detached being which just flows. He’s not bothered about what clan he comes from, what country he comes from, no association with your outside. Whether he is your brother or sister or not. Whether he is your enemy or not. You just work for that person out of compassion, like a river flows, like the sun shines for everyone. In the same way you become an akarmi: means you are not attached to the karmas that you are doing. This is a very simple rule one has to follow: is not to sympathise with anyone. And then this leads to another problem: you sympathise with someone and you will get a hundred and one [people] every day who will be just telling you and crying and telling you how miserable they are, absolutely miserable! So how will you correct them? By sitting with them and crying? Or just telling them “You get your Realisation first”? All this is coming to you from your Left Side or from your Right Side. Be in the centre! We’ll work it out! It’s a different state of mind where you reach. It’s a different state of awareness where you are: into super-awareness, where you see the whole thing just like a drama, where there is not unhappiness and happiness but only joy remains. This detached stage is an achievement which Sahaja Yogis should develop. It's very easy being alert about your oneself, when you start taking interest in others - or in [anything] whatsoever, whatever is the thing. For example: a child, if you give him a child, now if he comes here, it will start running all over the places, touching everything, jumping over it, doing this, doing that – finished! It might collect few candles, make some sort of a toy out of it, throw it away and go away. The child is not bothered as to what is the future of that or past of that, it just works out and finishes. It's just a play. But I cannot do it by giving you this sermon. You have to achieve it! Sahaja Yoga is experiencing and achieving. The one who achieves, achieves for himself. The one who experiences, experiences for himself, and when he does that, he does for the whole. He creates a nucleus for the whole and the whole starts working in such a manner that you are amazed how in a collective way so many people start getting Realisation. Each one of you, who are Sahaja Yogis, are capable of giving Realisation to one thousand people every day, minimum. But you don't try, you are shy, you are humble and you don’t want to claim that you are a realised-soul. Actually, I should ask them to put on their heads saying that, "I am a realised-soul". What's wrong in it? But you feel shy about it and you don't talk about it,. While I have seen people without any knowledge, without any authority, will have a big flag and a big ashram and will be somebody, will be beating the drums, "Here, says the Falana Yogi! Come along, come along, come along!" And everybody will be piling up, and you go and find some horrible hypocrite sitting down there, wearing artificial moustaches and artificial beard. But, for Sahaja Yogis, it is important to find out as many as possible, to give them Realisation, to bring them to Realisation. Work it out in your own way. Find out what's the matter with people: why they are like that. Sit down, discuss it. Find out why people are not coming to Realisation and going to false things which are of no use. Think about it. You are the best to tell me and you are the best judge. For you meditation is very important because after Realisation you can see in your light what your problems are, without being afraid of them. And also you know in Sahaja Yoga technique how to cleanse yourself, how to take out your karmas, how to cleanse yourself completely, and how to get completely rid of all your problems. So take it up seriously! Meditate! You know how to meditate. You know how to clear out. You know what are the chakras which are caught. Help others. Meditation must be done religiously and regularly. There aren't many "don’ts" in Sahaja Yoga, because Sahaja Yoga itself looks after many of your things. You cannot keep your old habits. It just drops. You drop [them] automatically. But you must meditate, you must learn how to meditate. And if you have any particular problem you can ask your friends. [There’s] no harm in asking, not to feel shy about it and you all must help each other. We are all part and parcel of one Being and we have to help each other as much as possible. And those who have known Sahaja Yoga for so many days and who are now quite well-equipped with the knowledge of Sahaja Yoga: you must ask them, take their advice what is to be done, how to work it out and steady down yourself. You have to steady yourself. Unless and until you have a proper attitude towards Sahaja Yoga it won't work out. If it is just a tertiary matter or secondary matter it's not going to work out. It has to be the first thing in life and the rest of the things should be secondary. Because you are evolved, all right, but your evolution is not yet steady and you have not been able to give that fulfilment to your being which gives you complete satisfaction and complete joy. Unless and until you achieve that state you are not going to be happy with yourself either. So please try to meditate and meditate. People give excuses: "I can't meditate here. I cannot meditate there. I can't do." This is all wrong. This is not the way you are going to improve. It is for you to achieve this. Wherever you get the chance you try to meet these people in the ashram, see there, and try to find out places where one can work it out and one can give Realisation to others. All shallowness of life, all foolish hankerings and things will drop out gradually. But if you want you can also, because now you are Self-realised, you are well equipped and that you have got special powers to do that. Now I am going to India. I am taking your message to your brothers and sisters in India. They are in thousands, you know that. And in the villages they are so simple and nice and it’s spreading like fire in India in the villages. Not in the cities, because city people are developing themselves; they are getting sophisticated. But in the villages people are very simple and Sahaja Yoga is working wonders there. In the same way you can also find out here many people who are of a very simple nature [that] would like to come to Sahaja Yoga. Through many methods you can invite them. For example, I would say, this boy in South Africa, he came down here, stayed here in the ashram. He was realised long time back. But he learnt all the techniques. He went back to South Africa and the first thing he started was to give out the photographs to people for treatment, and many people got cured gradually. And then he had some problems: he telephoned to me that, “This is happening, that is happening.” But for such people who are in need of physical benevolence it is better to work it out that way, with some people, and then the news spreads and how, gradually, people come to you. But there must be some people with sound physique also who want God, who are seeking God. In Sahaja Yoga you will find meaning to all the religions of the world, to all the great incarnations who have come on this Earth. Because they came here to give you all the steps which are required for your evolution. You all should now concentrate on the chakras which are not all right within you. Concentrate on the chakras and the Deities on the chakras. Wherever is the problem, you just concentrate on that, and put your attention to it. With your attention you can clear it. Take the name of the Deity at that point, as you know the mantras are, you know how to point the mantras yourself. Now you know all the shastras of mantras. So you put your mantras properly wherever is the need. Then you put the complete attention flowing – dharana. Absolutely, you see, till it sustains it completely, continuously within you. And then you go into your enlightened awareness, samadhi. So this is dhyan, dharana and samadhi. Enlightened awareness, first of all, is thoughtless awareness. So try to keep in thoughtless awareness and also later on into collective consciousness. These are the two stages you have already reached. Try to maintain them, clear them and establish yourself there. This is the way it should be done. And as we call in Hindi language baithak: you must have a baithak, means you should be able to sit on it, you should be able to do it for quite some time. But not with what you call a kind of a obstinacy about it, but out of joy. As long as you feel the joy of it, you start doing it. And you will be amazed to see how you establish your chakras and your Deities and at the beck and call of you, just even a mention of that, it will start working like that. I want, whatever I am, I should give it to you. All that I have. Because I have nothing to gain. I had all these, all years, all ages. What I want is that you should have it now and let me see you prosper, like the Mother Earth flowers in the blossoms and the fragrance spreads, I would like to see all of you blossom and your fragrance spreads throughout the nations and the whole of this universe, the whole of this world; the whole of these nations should be transformed into the new world of beauty, grace and bliss of God. May God bless you. Every one of the Sahaja Yogis must get at least ten people by the time I come back. Try, you can do it. Thank you. With the Master going away. In the same way you should also know that, whatever talents you have you must increase them and increase them and get more and more people for Sahaj. Those who have come for the first time, please raise your hands, for the first time. Please raise your hands. Now, can you come here forward? I would like to see you. Please come. Let them sit down. Sit please. Give them some chairs. Yes, that's comfortable. Many obstructions in the Sahaja Yoga comes from physical being, very much, if you are not keeping good health. Then first that hurdle is corrected, when the Kundalini rises. The second one is from your mental being. Supposing you are a very disturbed person, also you get a problem: in raising the Kundalini there is a problem. And the third one comes from your mental attitude. Say, if you are over-read and some conceptions are in your head about Self-realisation, also, it takes time. The fourth one, which is the most important is that, if you have had any spiritual drawbacks, initiated by some people who want to sort of exploit the situation, then that becomes a very big hurdle to you. Even if you have been interested in the spiritual sort of thing - going to the spirits and all that - that also has a very bad effect. So one should not worry. Even if there is a problem, it can be corrected. It has to be corrected and it would be corrected. But, as I said, that Realisation is within your reach: nothing to be frightened about. If there is any such problem, we'll correct it. For that we use a method, a technique, which all the Sahaja Yogis know. For example, they raise your Kundalini. I can raise also. I raise my own Kundalini on which I raise your own Kundalini. This is called as Dhyana Yoga. Actually, Sahaja Yoga is the Maha Yoga. It's the greatest yoga by which, you see, you can raise the Kundalini of another person with your own hand, because the vibrations are flowing from your own hand, the Divine vibrations. It can invite and it’s subtle. It can give you a balance. If it is more on the right or left, you can give it a balance. If any centres are in problem you can give them vibrations and the centres can be all right, you can cure the centres. And the centres can be given more power to come together and work it out. Like cancer disease now, for example, in which the centres are separated: these two centres get separated because the cells become on their own, start extracting the energy too much, and there is no control left. Now when this happens, then it is necessary to bring both the centres together like this, from the left and the right and put them together like this. For that it is necessary to give vibrations there. And that’s why some people will have to give you vibrations on one centre. But that should not upset you. It is so surprising that some people when they are given vibrations, they don’t like it, they don’t like this. They are so sensitive about things. But there’s nothing going to go wrong with you. When Mohammed Sahib taught people how to do namaz they all used to laugh at Him. What He taught was nothing but the Kundalini rising. He just taught the Kundalini rising. And, by Kundalini rising, He wanted people to get Realisation. But they all went wrong because there was nobody Self-realised to do all that job, except for Him or His Son-in-law, his Daughter or His Grandsons. The rest were all good for nothing people perhaps, or maybe it declined after sometime. And the whole system of namaz became just what you call a formal stuff, and nobody knows why, what it is for. But they are just doing it because they are told. Nobody laughs at it now! When it was genuine everybody laughed at it. In the same way the technique of Sahaja Yoga is to be understood gradually by you. If others are giving you vibrations you shouldn’t mind. Tomorrow you will be doing it, you will be giving Realisation to others then. You are going to do it yourself, everything that they are doing today. And there’s nothing to feel funny about it. Just they will just move the Kundalini at the back, just like this. Or they might just give you a balance like this. There is nothing to feel so much upset about it. There’s nothing nonsensical about it. It’s a technique which is written in all the scriptures. Kabira has described it, Nanaka has described it. All the other scriptures of Shankaracharya has described it. If you read Markandeya he has described it. [There’s] nothing new about it. But because you do not know it, you are naive about it, that’s why you don’t understand. But nothing is going to harm you. That is how you cure people and you make them feel better. There’s nothing to be upset about anything whatsoever. Now we have some people here who are born-realised and they have the knowledge of Kundalini within them. They are born like that. We have one little boy here, he's a born-realised. He lives in Holland. There are many children who are born-realised, and they understand me much better. And they start working on Kundalini in no time. And most surprising: I find most of the Sahaja Yogis’ children are born-realised. Even those who come to my programme, their children are mostly born-realised. And I request people to bring their children because perhaps they are here because of their children. And they understand it very well. They know how to work it out. They know how to carry it out. I don't have to tell them anything. So one has to know: there is something which is very, very genuine and clear. Only thing is you do not know about it, you have not seen it, felt it, that’s why you find it little different. But it is different. It is a different thing, isn’t it? After all, when you come to London, you find London is little different from India. And here you have to use something which you do not use in India. So, it’s a little different, but still you have to use it if you have to live here. In the same way when you enter into the Kingdom of God, you have to know how to use your hands, how to use your feet, how to use your whole movement of your Kundalini and of others. That gradually you will learn, so nothing to be afraid of. But again and again, one has to say that it’s a serious matter. You cannot do [it]. You may get your Realisation just like that. You’ll feel very nice. But do not give it up: come back again, assemble together, establish yourself and then you will know what you are fully well and how much you are capable of. May God bless you. So now, if you put all your hands just like this. You may close your eyes. Now, just watch. If your eyes are closed without any strain or without any flickering of the eyelids then it is all right. But if there is any flickering please open them. If there is no flickering in the eyelids then it is all right. You can see yourself. Now when the Kundalini rises above the Agnya Chakra which is this where my red mark is, in the centre of the brain, where the optic chiasma is, then you become relaxed. (break in recording) With great poise and with great understanding, you just watch yourself. Is there any thought in your mind? Just see for yourself. It is you who has to certify yourself. Now, if there is no thought then you pay attention to the top of your head very slowly, not in a very pushing manner, or anything. Just here. You pay your attention there. We are putting off lights because there should not be much strain on your eyes. Now what happens is you start feeling cool breeze in your fingers coming towards your palm. Maybe you are feeling hot, if so, throw it away like that - if you are feeling hot. With both the hands, not together but away from each other, and pressing both fingers like this. Just press them forward like that. But both the hands should be on both the...yes. Now keep your eyes shut because the dilatation of the pupil takes place when the Kundalini rises. Those who are feeling cool breeze in the hands, please raise your hands. All of you who are feeling cool breeze in the hands. Good! Are you? Little bit? Not yet? Are you feeling? Little bit, little bit. It’s starting. Just both of you, you are going to get it slowly, slowly. What about you, my child? No? Please put your hands here. Are you keeping all right health-wise? Better now, see. Put both your feet like this, straight, on the ground, here. Feet on the ground like this, separate, here. Yes. Are you getting? Are you feeling? Little bit, yes. Are you feeling? Not yet. All right. You don't feel it? Just see. Wait and see. It will work out. It will work out. It is going to work out. It works out. Good, here it is working out. Just you can feel there, if they are feeling all right. You can get up and see if it is there. Come up. Some of you should get up: Gavin. She's got it. She's got it. Both of them. He’s got it. You’ve got it too, definitely. Keep your eyes shut. This is the greatest experience of ages now. Keep your eyes shut. Enjoy yourself, absolutely! Enjoy yourself! What about you? Not yet? What is it? You have some problem here? Here? All right, that's it. We’ll correct it. You’ve got it, very well. May God bless you. Liver, liver. Just you look after your liver. And very sad. Is he all right Don? Good. No, he’s alright. What’s it? Heart? Put your hand on his back, .Just hold your breath. All right? Hmm, leave it! (release your breath). Why don’t you see each other, will be a good idea: check each other! It’s a very good idea. Check each other. Come along.

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"You feel the blessings as nirvichara" Conversation with Yogis, Thursday, 2nd January 1979, Mumbai …But if your attention is passing through the centre of the Agnya chakra you don’t see any light. But if it is not passing through that, then what happens [is], because your attention is outside, you see the light. Because it is enlightening also, you see. And you just see the light but the Kundalini is not passing through, just it’s stuck up there. And that’s why, because of that light, your eyes go on like that, you see. People have seen even a complete flow of light moving up like that. But they have not felt the Realization. They saw it coming up to the Agnya and then the whole thing dropped back. They saw it! They saw the Kundalini how it was helping, [how] the Adi Kundalini was helping your Kundalini - they saw it. Even this light rising is because of that. Because your attention is still outside, you see. So the flickering of the eyes starts. Then I tell you to fix up your eyes onto my finger. When you fix it up onto my finger and my face, what happens [is] the chaitanya pushes you, through your eyes, into the centre, so that you see me as I am. But the eyes are controlled by the chaitanya and the attention that is inside is pushed inside that, what you call the apparition, in the Agnya chakra. So I always say that if you are flickering your eyes please pay attention to me so that the chaitanya works out through your eyes and fixes your attention to pass through. Because the light starts spreading on all the sides and you see that light and the eyes go on like that; you cannot close your eyes. That is the reason for that. Then the second thing you said [is] that you are facing: your Sahasrara was on the thing. Yes, one of the reasons for nirvichara is that. But also nirvichara is a way to express the blessings of your Mother. When She wants to bless you. See, you wrote the letter [so] She was happy. Just to bless you, you became nirvichar. You see, it’s the blessing. That’s how you...that’s the grace that comes to you from your Mother, that you become nirvichar - that one has to recognise. If you do the things that I tell you, I feel I bless you very much, because they are for your good, for your kalyana (benevolence), for your mangal (auspiciousness) and that’s why you are blessed and that blessing you feel as nirvichara. Because I am Nirvichara myself. Yes. Come along. Douglas Fry: I’m Douglas Fry, one of the early Sahaja yogis from London. And what I would like to say is, it’s rather amazing the way that the forces of good and the forces of bad have nevertheless, pushed us towards Mataji. Now the person that introduced us to Mataji, as you have heard from Gavin, was a yoga ‘playboy’. Shri Mataji: And who was that? Douglas Fry: A yoga playboy. A guru or something. Shri Mataji: Yes, he was, he was no doubt, and is still! Douglas Fry: The reason he came to England... Shri Mataji: ...was to make some money out of yoga! Douglas Fry: The reason he came to England was because he’d seen this particular fake guru with long hair that looked like a pop star (laughter). He told me, and I think he might have told some of the youngest of us, that this particular guru had said to him, “You should go to England.” So, obviously he came to England and started yoga classes. Now where the yoga classes started was the last place that you could teach yoga because it was very, very cold and we started in winter, and there was no heating on. But for some reason, the yoga classes still went on. Now, eventually, he met Mataji and tried his experiment on us. And we all felt coolness in the hands, we all got Realization. Now, another thing that this yoga playboy had tried was Transcendental Meditation, I found out. Now, after us having got Realization, he tried to teach us meditation and the technique that he was trying to do was a technique used by TM. The TM people, they give you a mantra, they might make the mantra up themselves. Or sometimes they give you names that sounds a bit like Sanskrit. In fact, I heard one fellow who had a mantra that sounded like "key ring". If you pronounce it strangely it can sort of sound a bit like Indian but that’s neither here nor there. So this fellow was trying to use TM techniques to make us go into meditation. And he told us that we should concentrate on a word, a word that we think is nice. Now the particular word I used was ‘divine’. Now we sat down there for about ten or fifteen minutes to meditate and I remember I felt an explosion that finished in my head. Now I did not know the time that it was so I said, “I felt that explosion in my head, what was it?” So he said, “Oh, I don’t think that was anything, you forget about it!” (Laughter) Now, once again, I think perhaps, just for a split of a second, I had achieved thoughtless awareness and my Kundalini obviously had risen. Then, at a later date, once I was asleep, I actually saw my Kundalini rise. So my head was full of an intense white flame then it went down again and then it came up again. And then I heard a “ting” from the top of my head. (Laughter) Shri Mataji: That’s not Kundalini, you see, this is the thing [to understand]. Douglas Fry: This I assume was the breaking of the brahmarandhra. Shri Mataji: No, no. Douglas Fry: This wasn’t. Shri Mataji: It is not. It happens with so many people, you see, that is al the ida and pingala ??. Douglas Fry: This is? Shri Mataji: This is ida pingala Douglas Fry: Oh, I see, pardon me. Shri Mataji: The sympathetic. That works out and it looks like Kundalini. But you don’t get any vibrations in the hand or head. You know, some people get a big hole here, down below. Especially this Muktananda he does like that. And they get a feeling like that you know. You should never feel the Kundalini rising like an explosion in a block like that. Douglas Fry: Oh, I see Shri Mataji: Later on, after Realization, you may feel the slow movement. But normally in Realization you do not. Douglas Fry: So, anyway, that’s all I want to say. Thank you very much. Shri Mataji: What about Sahaj Yog? Douglas Fry: Well, anyway, after all this experience - initially of course I was in quite a mess, I used to take drugs and drink as many of the Western people seem to do these days. And gradually I found, after being exposed to Mataji’s love and Mataji’s influence, I found that gradually my interest in drugs, my interest in drinking and smoking, it all dropped out and I gradually became more and more stable. And now, I found that life for me is very settled and... Shri Mataji: ...you can give Realization. Douglas Fry: I find that I can give Realization to people and.. Shri Mataji: I can cure also Douglas Fry: And yes, also I have to say I can cure people and the first time I gave Realization to somebody, I was quite amazed and, just to realize I could do such a thing. But now, to give Realization it’s still, you know, it still makes me feel very nice and clean inside, it’s just wonderful. (Applause) Shri Mataji: This kind of experience also many people get, like Shri Krishna also had like that and so many people get a feeling like that, that something goes up, suddenly shoots off, and you feel exploded and opened out and all that. But that is not the Kundalini. It is the sympathetic nervous system which is very much in strain. You see her strain. And in that expression of that strain, what happens is that the whole thing, the energy of the complete sympathetic, whatever they have in the parasympathetic is sucked in, into the sympathetic. Because the sympathetic is too much activated. Then what happens, the parasympathetic system has your stored up energy whatever it is. So it just sucks in all that and when it is sucked in, suddenly, the wave from the pelvic plexus, down below starts. Because, all the energies are released to the sympathetic. Because the sympathetic is so exhausted that whatever is the energy left in the chakras is released. Once it is released, all that released energy makes you feel that the energy is rising within you because it is rising through ida and pingala. Now this is the energy which is just sucked into ida and pingala. It rises up. And you can feel it going up and coming down and all that. But the after effects of this one is this, that such a person - of course in these experiences people feel sometimes a horrible thing also, that they feel that there’s a heat liberation, sometimes they feel some sort of a scorpion bites going on or some snakes coming up and all kind of things can happen in this. It can be very horrifying also, this one, and could be very simple also. But when this happens, the after effect is like that, that you become arbitrary. All this drugs system started after that, because once you are released from that self-control in between, you can take to anything like this, because you are free now to do whatever you please. And that’s how you can take to drugs and things. And this is what all these gurus are doing, is to take out this stored energy which is controlling you, suck them out onto the sympathetic. There are so many ways by which they can do it: they can starve you, they can make you work very hard, they can make you tired, they can make you say some mantras, things. I mean they make your sympathetic work so hard that ultimately a stage is reached where your chakras release all the energy that is stored in them and just get out of it. So all this energy they will suck in and a person feels: “Oh, suddenly something has happened!” But in these circumstances, you may have a big hollow in the head like that, as if, like a mad person has, here, a big hollow. And the whole thing is sucked in and you get a hollow there like that. So many people get this thing, that is a very different thing. But because all the energy that was inside is sucked in. So it has become like a big hollow inside, you see. Like a mad person has too, the same thing. So this is the way people confuse between Kundalini awakening and the exhaustion of the sympathetic. Normally when the Kundalini is awakened through Sahaj Yoga, you do not feel anything. It just goes up and works out. But sometimes, after Realization, if there is an obstruction due to certain combinations, it may be the obstruction may go out like that. But there’s a tremendous difference between the two. That first, you release in the hands, of the vibrations, start with that. But with the first one you do not get [vibrations]. On the contrary, you get heated up and you start avoiding yourself, escaping from yourself. And this starts. And that’s how you get into these drugs. This is very much played by the gurus. You see, that’s what they do to you. They exhaust you completely so that you cannot withstand reality and the present moment. And so you try to get into something. And once you try to escape it, the whole release of the stores and parasympathetic takes place and the Deities are broken and you are broken, you become arbitrary. It’s a cancerous sort of a thing. So that’s not Kundalini awakening but we would say, it is more a sympathetic system which comes into play and the movement of peristaltic, what you call that ‘pumping’. Peristaltic movements of the pumping up of the energy starts. They start putting it into the thing. And the whole thing is sucked in because of the exhaustion. So one should not confuse between the two. Because after Realization you cannot take to drugs and things easily. It’s very difficult. You have to really force yourself to take to drugs. Gregoire: Mother, you just answered now something that I never questioned because after I met I did not want to question it. I had, two years before meeting you, I had an extremely powerful experience of the same kind... (End of audio)

"You feel the blessings as nirvichara" Conversation with Yogis, Thursday, 2nd January 1979, Mumbai …But if your attention is passing through the centre of the Agnya chakra you don’t see any light. But if it is not passing through that, then what happens [is], because your attention is outside, you see the light. Because it is enlightening also, you see. And you just see the light but the Kundalini is not passing through, just it’s stuck up there. And that’s why, because of that light, your eyes go on like that, you see. People have seen even a complete flow of light moving up like that. But they have not felt the Realization. They saw it coming up to the Agnya and then the whole thing dropped back. They saw it! They saw the Kundalini how it was helping, [how] the Adi Kundalini was helping your Kundalini - they saw it. Even this light rising is because of that. Because your attention is still outside, you see. So the flickering of the eyes starts. Then I tell you to fix up your eyes onto my finger. When you fix it up onto my finger and my face, what happens [is] the chaitanya pushes you, through your eyes, into the centre, so that you see me as I am. But the eyes are controlled by the chaitanya and the attention that is inside is pushed inside that, what you call the apparition, in the Agnya chakra. So I always say that if you are flickering your eyes please pay attention to me so that the chaitanya works out through your eyes and fixes your attention to pass through. Because the light starts spreading on all the sides and you see that light and the eyes go on like that; you cannot close your eyes. That is the reason for that. Then the second thing you said [is] that you are facing: your Sahasrara was on the thing. Yes, one of the reasons for nirvichara is that. But also nirvichara is a way to express the blessings of your Mother. When She wants to bless you. See, you wrote the letter [so] She was happy. Just to bless you, you became nirvichar. You see, it’s the blessing. That’s how you...that’s the grace that comes to you from your Mother, that you become nirvichar - that one has to recognise. If you do the things that I tell you, I feel I bless you very much, because they are for your good, for your kalyana (benevolence), for your mangal (auspiciousness) and that’s why you are blessed and that blessing you feel as nirvichara. Because I am Nirvichara myself. Yes. Come along. Douglas Fry: I’m Douglas Fry, one of the early Sahaja yogis from London. And what I would like to say is, it’s rather amazing the way that the forces of good and the forces of bad have nevertheless, pushed us towards Mataji. Now the person that introduced us to Mataji, as you have heard from Gavin, was a yoga ‘playboy’. Shri Mataji: And who was that? Douglas Fry: A yoga playboy. A guru or something. Shri Mataji: Yes, he was, he was no doubt, and is still! Douglas Fry: The reason he came to England... Shri Mataji: ...was to make some money out of yoga! Douglas Fry: The reason he came to England was because he’d seen this particular fake guru with long hair that looked like a pop star (laughter). He told me, and I think he might have told some of the youngest of us, that this particular guru had said to him, “You should go to England.” So, obviously he came to England and started yoga classes. Now where the yoga classes started was the last place that you could teach yoga because it was very, very cold and we started in winter, and there was no heating on. But for some reason, the yoga classes still went on. Now, eventually, he met Mataji and tried his experiment on us. And we all felt coolness in the hands, we all got Realization. Now, another thing that this yoga playboy had tried was Transcendental Meditation, I found out. Now, after us having got Realization, he tried to teach us meditation and the technique that he was trying to do was a technique used by TM. The TM people, they give you a mantra, they might make the mantra up themselves. Or sometimes they give you names that sounds a bit like Sanskrit. In fact, I heard one fellow who had a mantra that sounded like "key ring". If you pronounce it strangely it can sort of sound a bit like Indian but that’s neither here nor there. So this fellow was trying to use TM techniques to make us go into meditation. And he told us that we should concentrate on a word, a word that we think is nice. Now the particular word I used was ‘divine’. Now we sat down there for about ten or fifteen minutes to meditate and I remember I felt an explosion that finished in my head. Now I did not know the time that it was so I said, “I felt that explosion in my head, what was it?” So he said, “Oh, I don’t think that was anything, you forget about it!” (Laughter) Now, once again, I think perhaps, just for a split of a second, I had achieved thoughtless awareness and my Kundalini obviously had risen. Then, at a later date, once I was asleep, I actually saw my Kundalini rise. So my head was full of an intense white flame then it went down again and then it came up again. And then I heard a “ting” from the top of my head. (Laughter) Shri Mataji: That’s not Kundalini, you see, this is the thing [to understand]. Douglas Fry: This I assume was the breaking of the brahmarandhra. Shri Mataji: No, no. Douglas Fry: This wasn’t. Shri Mataji: It is not. It happens with so many people, you see, that is al the ida and pingala ??. Douglas Fry: This is? Shri Mataji: This is ida pingala Douglas Fry: Oh, I see, pardon me. Shri Mataji: The sympathetic. That works out and it looks like Kundalini. But you don’t get any vibrations in the hand or head. You know, some people get a big hole here, down below. Especially this Muktananda he does like that. And they get a feeling like that you know. You should never feel the Kundalini rising like an explosion in a block like that. Douglas Fry: Oh, I see Shri Mataji: Later on, after Realization, you may feel the slow movement. But normally in Realization you do not. Douglas Fry: So, anyway, that’s all I want to say. Thank you very much. Shri Mataji: What about Sahaj Yog? Douglas Fry: Well, anyway, after all this experience - initially of course I was in quite a mess, I used to take drugs and drink as many of the Western people seem to do these days. And gradually I found, after being exposed to Mataji’s love and Mataji’s influence, I found that gradually my interest in drugs, my interest in drinking and smoking, it all dropped out and I gradually became more and more stable. And now, I found that life for me is very settled and... Shri Mataji: ...you can give Realization. Douglas Fry: I find that I can give Realization to people and.. Shri Mataji: I can cure also Douglas Fry: And yes, also I have to say I can cure people and the first time I gave Realization to somebody, I was quite amazed and, just to realize I could do such a thing. But now, to give Realization it’s still, you know, it still makes me feel very nice and clean inside, it’s just wonderful. (Applause) Shri Mataji: This kind of experience also many people get, like Shri Krishna also had like that and so many people get a feeling like that, that something goes up, suddenly shoots off, and you feel exploded and opened out and all that. But that is not the Kundalini. It is the sympathetic nervous system which is very much in strain. You see her strain. And in that expression of that strain, what happens is that the whole thing, the energy of the complete sympathetic, whatever they have in the parasympathetic is sucked in, into the sympathetic. Because the sympathetic is too much activated. Then what happens, the parasympathetic system has your stored up energy whatever it is. So it just sucks in all that and when it is sucked in, suddenly, the wave from the pelvic plexus, down below starts. Because, all the energies are released to the sympathetic. Because the sympathetic is so exhausted that whatever is the energy left in the chakras is released. Once it is released, all that released energy makes you feel that the energy is rising within you because it is rising through ida and pingala. Now this is the energy which is just sucked into ida and pingala. It rises up. And you can feel it going up and coming down and all that. But the after effects of this one is this, that such a person - of course in these experiences people feel sometimes a horrible thing also, that they feel that there’s a heat liberation, sometimes they feel some sort of a scorpion bites going on or some snakes coming up and all kind of things can happen in this. It can be very horrifying also, this one, and could be very simple also. But when this happens, the after effect is like that, that you become arbitrary. All this drugs system started after that, because once you are released from that self-control in between, you can take to anything like this, because you are free now to do whatever you please. And that’s how you can take to drugs and things. And this is what all these gurus are doing, is to take out this stored energy which is controlling you, suck them out onto the sympathetic. There are so many ways by which they can do it: they can starve you, they can make you work very hard, they can make you tired, they can make you say some mantras, things. I mean they make your sympathetic work so hard that ultimately a stage is reached where your chakras release all the energy that is stored in them and just get out of it. So all this energy they will suck in and a person feels: “Oh, suddenly something has happened!” But in these circumstances, you may have a big hollow in the head like that, as if, like a mad person has, here, a big hollow. And the whole thing is sucked in and you get a hollow there like that. So many people get this thing, that is a very different thing. But because all the energy that was inside is sucked in. So it has become like a big hollow inside, you see. Like a mad person has too, the same thing. So this is the way people confuse between Kundalini awakening and the exhaustion of the sympathetic. Normally when the Kundalini is awakened through Sahaj Yoga, you do not feel anything. It just goes up and works out. But sometimes, after Realization, if there is an obstruction due to certain combinations, it may be the obstruction may go out like that. But there’s a tremendous difference between the two. That first, you release in the hands, of the vibrations, start with that. But with the first one you do not get [vibrations]. On the contrary, you get heated up and you start avoiding yourself, escaping from yourself. And this starts. And that’s how you get into these drugs. This is very much played by the gurus. You see, that’s what they do to you. They exhaust you completely so that you cannot withstand reality and the present moment. And so you try to get into something. And once you try to escape it, the whole release of the stores and parasympathetic takes place and the Deities are broken and you are broken, you become arbitrary. It’s a cancerous sort of a thing. So that’s not Kundalini awakening but we would say, it is more a sympathetic system which comes into play and the movement of peristaltic, what you call that ‘pumping’. Peristaltic movements of the pumping up of the energy starts. They start putting it into the thing. And the whole thing is sucked in because of the exhaustion. So one should not confuse between the two. Because after Realization you cannot take to drugs and things easily. It’s very difficult. You have to really force yourself to take to drugs. Gregoire: Mother, you just answered now something that I never questioned because after I met I did not want to question it. I had, two years before meeting you, I had an extremely powerful experience of the same kind... (End of audio)

9/22/1979

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1st Day of Navaratri Celebrations, Shri Kundalini, Shri Ganesha

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1st Day of Navaratri Celebrations, Shri Kundalini, Shri Ganesha 22-09-1979 [English Translation from Marathi] On today’s auspicious occasion, in a pleasant environment, such a beautiful subject – seems that many coincidences have come together. Till date nobody suggested me to speak on the subject of worship but it is so important. Especially in this land of Yoga (Yogabhumi), in our land of Bharat (India), especially in this holy land of Maharashtra, the Goddess of nature has come up with the creation of Ashtavinayakas, so what is the greatness of Ganesha, what is the importance of Ashtavinayakas etc is not known to many people. I am very surprised at this. Perhaps the people who understood everything, who knew everything - those great ascetics and saints of our holy land – they must not have been given the liberty to express, or may be nobody listened to them. Any amount of explanation about this will be inadequate and even seven lectures instead of one would be insufficient for me to speak about Shri Ganesha. Today’s auspicious day is that of ‘Ghata Pujan’. Ghatasthapna is primordial. When this universe was created, many times. The universe has not been created only once but many times. When this universe was created, first they installed the Ghata (container). What do you mean by Ghata? One needs to understand this very deeply. Firstly, the Almighty resides in the state of Bramhatatva,(universal element or principle). We will call it entropy in English. When there is no movement in this state, when the desire originates in this state or when the Almighty fancies desire then this desire gets established in HIM that something new must be created in this world. Why does He get this desire? It is His desire. To understand why the Almighty has this desire is beyond the understanding of the human being. Likewise there are many things beyond the general comprehension of a human being. But as we take them for granted similarly we must accept that that God’s wish is His own hobby. It’s His desire, He does whatever He wants to do. This desire gets merged in Him and again gets awakened. Like a person sleeps off and again awakens. After sleeping even if his desires are dormant and are with him, they get activated only when he wakes up. It is same thing with God Almighty. When He has a desire to create nature then all these waves of creation of the universe, of the desire or what we can call as waves or ripples get collected. And after accumulation, the ghat in which they get filled in – this is that ghat( container) . It is the will power of God Almighty itself. If we separate the God Almighty and his Will Power, and if we can understand it that way. It is same with us. We and our will power are different. This power takes birth first. Till the time you desire something, till then that thing and its realization does not happen. This beautiful enormous world of ours, this too is a result of somebody’s desire. Everything gets activated only after we wish it and to activate God’s desire, we need to separate it from HIM. If it remains included in the God Almighty, then it remains dormant. When it starts its work by separating from HIM, we call it as “Adishakti” . When this initial state came, then Ghatasthapana happened. This has happened many times since time immemorial. And today also when we do Ghatasthapana, we remember that eternal infinite process. Means during this time (Navratra first day) we do the Ghatasthpana. So keep in mind what a great event this is. That time what the God Almighty desired, before activating it He collected it. This was placed in a Ghat (container), the same desire today is being worshipped by us. We worshipped it today. God Almighty desired it. He made us part of humanity today. He helped us reach this great state. Hence it is our prime duty to bow to His desire. In the language of Sahaja Yoga, we call this as the desire of Mahakali or the power of Mahakali. This is the power of Mahakali and these events that take place for nine days (specially in Maharashtra) these are about the various incarnations of this Mahakali. Even today, nothing can happen before the power of Mahakali or the power of pure desire. Hence the power of pure desire is the beginning and the end also transpires in it. First of all, everything emanates from the desire and at the end it merges in it. So this power of Shri Sadashiva ( Lord Shiva), is the Adi Shakti and it moves around as Mahakali Power within us. At this juncture if we consider it as the Supreme Power, if we consider it as the formulation of the Viraat ( infinite) , the power on the left which flows through our Ida Nadi and that power is known as power of Mahakali. This is more widespread in the humans. It is not as much in the animals. This power enters us from the right side of our head. Subsequently it moves along the left side to go below the triangular bone which is the position of Lord Ganesha and ends there. Means first and foremost, the power of Mahakali gave birth only to Shri Ganesh. Then Shri Ganesha got established. Ganesh is the first deity that got established and similarly the situation of Ganesh is same as that of Mahakali. This is the seed and the whole world emanates from this seed and again gets merged with it. Similarly everything after emanating from the Ganesh element merges with Ganesh element itself. Whatever exists, Ganesh is the seed of that. Whatever appears in front of us, in action, in desire, Ganesh is the seed of it. That is why Ganesh is considered the foremost main deity. Not only that, without worshipping Shri Ganesh, we cannot do any work. Then they may be Shaiva( devotees who worship Shri Shiva), maybe Vaishnav( devotees who worship Shri Vishnu), may be devotees of Shri Bramha or anybody else – all of them first worship Shri Ganesha. The reason for this is that Shri Ganesh element was established by God Almighty as the first thing in this universe. The Ganesh principle is what we call as ‘abodhita’ or what we call as ‘innocence’ in English. This is a very subtle principle. We do not understand it. In childhood it exists in the children, everywhere we see its expression, its fragrance, wafting all over - that is why small children are so lovable - such is the principle of “innocence’. It is present in Shri Ganesha. It is difficult for human beings to understand this that how can one deity encompass all these things? If we look at the sun we see it has the power to give light similarly Shri Ganesha has power of ‘innocence’ . This power of ‘innocence ‘ that the God Almighty has imbibed in us , we worship this power of innocence. And we should also be such innocent beings. Many people feel that being innocent means being ignorant. The meaning behind ‘innocence’ is that just like a small child is innocent , he is naive –that naivety should come in us. We do not understand how great this principle is. Suppose a small child starts playing. Today’s kids do not have much naivety. We only are responsible for that. What else can we tell others. How are we following our religions. How deeply involved are we in our religions? How religious we make our children – it is dependant on that and must know this is the outcome of that. Now the presence of innocence in humans can be identified by watching a child. A person may have it, however old he becomes, still he has that innocence. Like a small kid while playing can impersonate Shivaji, may build a fort, will do everything. Then he will leave everything and go away. One must leave everything after doing it. One must leave everything and be detached about it. One must not get entangled in something. Must have no involvement. This is the typical behavior of children. If you give anything to any child, he will preserve it. Will preserve it for a long time. After some time he will have no feelings for it. If we take away that thing without letting him know, he will not feel anything about it. But there are some things that a child may not leave which are very important to him. One of such things is his mother. He does not leave his mother. Rest any thing of this world you take from him, it is alright with him - He does not understand wealth, he does not understand money, he does not understand education, he does not understand anything except his mother. This is my mother. She gave birth to me. She is everything for me. He does not accord importance to anything other than his mother. Rabindranath Tagore has written a beautiful story. A small child lost his way in the market place and people caught him and asked him what he wants.’ He was continuously crying. They told him that they would give him this thing, give him horse, give him elephant. He said nothing doing , I want my mother.’ And he was continuously crying for his mother.He did not eat anything offered to him. Kept on crying the whole day. He became quiet only when he met his mother. All of us have this seed element in us from the childhood itself. We do not leave our mother. We know that this mother has given birth to us. But in addition there is another mother within us that the God almighty has given. And this mother is “Kundalini” . God almighty has curled up Mother Kundalini and placed her in our sacrum bone(triangular bone).She is our mother and we are continuously searching her. In all our searches whether political, social or educational – whatever your interests may be, behind all these interests you are searching your mother. This Mother Kundalini takes you to the ultimate position where you get complete satisfaction. The search for this mother, the longing for this mother, which lies in us in a subtle form , which embraces us stays awakened due to the Ganesha principle. The person whose Ganesha element is destroyed completely he is not innocent. We observe many qualities in a person who is innocent. means he has chastity in his relations with his mother, sister, and brother. During common interactions, social interactions, during worldly interactions God has defined one spouse and all other people in this world – if we consider that we have pure relation with them as God Almighty has defined – if this is seen in your behavior then it should be considered that the person has true innocence. This is his true attribute. The sign of innocence is that a person sees purity in all individuals. Reason is as he has purity within himself, he will not regard anyone as impure. Here we don’t have to explain about chastity as people know what chastity is. . In England or America we have to explain because their minds are confused. But you all are sensible. By grace of God in this land of India say due to Ashtavinayakas or due to good deeds from your previous lives or due to the service rendered by our gurus and saints , this is one land on this earth where holiness still prevails. It is a very great thing and you have organized the puja (worship) of this holiness. So while doing puja, you must pay attention to whether you have that holiness or not. In our Sahaja Yoga those who do not have Ganesh element they do not have the purity. He is of no use to us. We do not pay attention to such a person. But there is no way to tell upfront that you have lost this holy attribute. Even though we know all this , we cannot tell this – because this Ganapati who is installed there, he is the son of Gauri. And Gauri means the power of Kundalini which encompasses us, this is the power of Gauri. Today there is Gauri Pujan(worship) and Ganesh Pujan – we must realize what a significant day it is. The Ganesh element present in us tells Gauri whether this person is alright or not. Means one must appreciate the good arrangement that is made. Means the two nadis coming from the top, Ida and Pingla… Now if you have not read about Sahaja Yoga at all then it will be a bit difficult but if you try to understand it is not that difficult. Ida and Pingala are the two nadis(channels) within us. Of these one is Mahakali and the other is Maha Saraswati. These are the two nadis. The Maha Saraswati has emanated from Maha Kali. Means she is the power of pure action. The first one is the power of pure desire and other one is the power of pure action. Of these two powers, whatever deeds we have done in this birth as well as past births, whatever are our good deeds , whatever are our bad deeds, this all is evaluated by Shri Ganesha who is within us. He is observing how much virtue this person has accumulated. Today’s modern people do not have any inkling about virtues and they do not even think about it. People think what sense does it make that how much virtue one has and for what. When they don’t have any concept about virtue then sin and its atonement etc.- then knowing these things has no meaning. But the human has a feel for sin and virtue. Animals do not have this. Animals do not have feel for many things. If you walk an animal thru dung or filth, it does not sense the smell. It does not have any appreciation for beauty. The moment you become human, you get a thought about virtue and sin. You understand that this is wrong. This is sin, should not do this. This is a good deed, should do it. Instead of we making a judgment about sin and virtue, Shri Ganesh keeps an accurate account sitting within us. Every human has a place for Shri Ganesha and it is near the prostate gland, we call it MOOLADHAR chakra. establishment of Shri Ganesha . The triangular bone is called Mooladhar where mother Kundalini is sitting. Just under that triangular bone, Shri Ganesha is protecting her rather protecting her chastity. Now we know how Shri Gauri established Shri Ganesha. She was married but had not yet met with her husband. That time she had gone for her bath and after removing the dirt from her body……Now if you have vibrations in your entire – if your entire body has the divine vibrations and if this divine vibration is flowing and if that is taken in the dirt of one’s body then that too has divine vibrations. She created Ganapati out of this dirt and kept it outside her bathing place. Now see, she kept him outside the bathing place and not in the front from where the all the filth is flowing. Many of you must be knowing, when the water from the bathroom flows then many a times the leaves from patra(alu) or some people plant lotus flowers also and they grow there quite well. It is quite surprising , the lotus flowers grow only where there is a puddle. Same is the example of Shri Ganesh. Means where the dirtiest region of the house is, on that dirty region of the house this lotus has bloomed and with its perfume it imparts its fragrance to this dirt. This power of his also greatly helps us in our lives. The dirt that we see in us is secured due to the Ganesh element. Now this Ganesh element has to first perform pujan(worship) of Kundalini means of Shri Gauri first .Means your Ganesh element first has to perform your Kundalini’s pujan. In short , to bring abodhita (innocence) in us . You will be surprised when Kundalini gets awakened that time the fragrance of the Ganesh element spreads in the entire body. (Mataji speaking – These are realized should, please sit here..It does not matter) Many people especially Sahaja Yogis sense the fragrance when Kundalini gets awakened. Because Ganesh element is made out of earth element or the earth itself is made out of Ganesh element. This earth is made out of Shri Maha Ganesh(Ganesh Almighty). So the presence of Shri Ganesh in us, that too is comprised of the earth element . Now we know that all fragrances emanate out of earth. The fragrances of all flowers emanate out of earth. That is why when Kundalini gets awakened many people sense different types of aromas. Not only this, many Sahaja Yogis tell me that Shri Mataji when we remember you we sense very intense fragrance and such fragrances emanate from your body also. Many people misunderstand that Shri Mataji wears some perfume but it is not so. If the Ganesh element is wakened in you then the fragrance emanates from within. Different types of fragrances emanate out of a person. But you must be knowing that there are such people in world who call themselves as Sadhus or saints and they cannot live with fragrance. They call themselves God and they cannot tolerate fragrance. We have explicit writings on this. You read any deity’s description. Especially that of Shri Ganesha. That He loves fragrance. Not only that, He loves flowers. And He loves lotus. Similarly it is written in the description of Shri Vishnu, written in the description of the Goddesses. This means that those people who do not like fragrance , who cannot tolerate fragrance they have some serious flaw and they are against the God Almighty. They do not have the power of the Almighty for sure. The person who cannot tolerate fragrance at all, he certainly has some anti-God elements in him. Because fragrance is a great principle of the Earth element. There are many names for it in the language of Yoga. Its no use telling about it that as you would keep thinking about it. But the important point to note is, whatever five significant elements are and before that whatever life elements they have , the first amongst these is the element of fragrance. This element constitutes the earth. Shri Ganesh is made up of this life element. Therefore before worshipping Lord Ganesha , one must exude perfume ourselves that means our lives should have a subtle fragrance. Not at an overt level. A person who is very wicked , is very vile at an overt level, has an equally fowl smell. Such a person from Sahaja Yoga’s perspective is fowl smelling….On the outside even if the person smells good, still that person is not considered fragrant. Fragrance should be such that it should attract the person. If we stand near a person and if we feel pleasant about him and experience purity then that person is a real fragrant person. But if the person has lust and libertine instincts oozing out of him, if you stand near him some people may feel good and this depends on their vile instincts But these people don’t belong to the Ganesh element. A person of the Ganesha principle is very righteous, but still this person has a special charm, and this charm has so much holiness that this holiness itself keeps him happy. Now the concepts of attraction also have become very weird. They are against the Ganesh element. The reason for this is that people do not have Ganesh element in them. If a person has the Ganesh element, then the attraction also depends on our Ganesh element. It is quite natural. If the element is present in us, how can we get attracted unless the other person also has that element as well. There is a famous painting of Monalisa. You would have heard – It is a beautiful portrait by Leonard-Da-Vinci and it is kept in the Louvre museum in Paris. If we see that painting, see that lady ,you feel she is very listless. She has nothing special from the perspective of modern ladies and according to the modern ideas of beauty , nobody would ever call her a beauty queen . She has a typical smile over her face which is called the mobile smile of Mona Lisa. And even after working hard on that smile for thousands of years, people have not been able to draw such a portrait. What is the main thing about the famous portrait , means what is the main element here and - that is Chastity. This portrait has so much of chastity that it makes it attractive. Even in today’s modern age , behind the weird and perverted thoughts, I am surprised that thousands of people come to Louvre to see only that portrait. If the portrait is not available to view on some day , then nobody goes inside that day. It is a very large museum but nobody is prepared to go in if they are unable to see that portrait. That way there is nothing special about that portrait. That lady is in a very simple attire, She has very plain hair. And in spite of having a very simple face, what is the captivating feature of the portrait? Chastity!! Chastitity is the main feature. But in today’s modern world if we talk about purity , then the great intellectuals do not agree with it. They feel that these are old ideas and these ideas mean don’t do this, don’t do that, by saying this we are conditioning people and by thinking thus a person goes on the wrong path. Now to tell you, a person imbibes chastity due to company of his virtuous parents. First of all the mother . Firstly, if a mother is not virtuous it’s very difficult for a son to be virtuous but sometimes a child takes birth out of the womb of an adulterous woman just for her salvation because he is a great soul, and a holy soul takes birth in his form. I have seen that just like a lotus blooms in filth he takes birth there. Especially in London I am very surprised to note that there are some small children whose mothers we will not entertain at all at our door steps. Even if it is like that it is an exception. If by nature the mother is a pious woman then , boy or a girl they become pious quite easily. Or they acquire virtuosity quite easily. Here we do not tolerate any utterances against our mother. People come charging even if one word is uttered against mother. But how many mothers are there today who have this chastity in them. In chastity the main thing the mother has is that she should have loyalty towards her husband, first and foremost. If Parvati would not have the loyalty for Lord Shiva then is there any meaning to her ? There is no importance for Parvati then. Even if she is perceived as more powerful than Lord Shiva, that power belongs to Lord Shiva. Even if it is the power of Lord Sadashiva, still first of all she chose Lord Shiva as her superior , she bowed in front of Him. And only then she was considered as a powerful deity. But She is His Power. It is different for God Almighty and deities and absolutely different for human beings. The humans will not understand that when the husband and wife live in unison they are not separate just like a moon and moon light Or the Sun and its rays. The humans don’t appreciate this unison . They think that there has to be quarrels between husband and wife. If there is no quarrel then it is an abnormal thing. This way a very pure bond between a husband and a wife or we can say between Shri Sadashiv and Shri Parvati existed. And their son is Shri Ganesh. Parvati gave birth to Him only on the basis of her chastity, means she did not include even the father’s component. Means only on the basis of her chastity and her resolution she gave birth to Ganesha. This is such a significant event. With her chastity, with her resolution she did this. In Sahaja Yoga too, whatever virtuosity I have, I have put it to stake. With this resolution - to give birth to as many people as possible - is the mission that I have set for my life. Now before me so many speakers have spoken about me. You don’t think about it. Till the time you get something from me, get any experience of me till then you do not get entangled in these things. People frown upon such things. Not only that, people get furious about it. Now this boy also got angry because the speaker said,’ Shri Mataji is a goddess’. People do not like saying such things at all. ( these are self realized people). They get upset about such things. And to be angry is congruent with human nature. If someone refers to you as Devi (Goddess) then people are bound to be upset. But if idiots refer themselves as God even then people bow to them. People consider them as God Almighty. Then if someone makes them dance naked or fleece them of their money, still it is OK. But will still call them Bhagwan. But one should understand the reality. And if we get it , understand it as to what it means and why we have to say this. And why we have to admit it. Today I am going to tell you that. If you do not consider Ganesh as God then nothing will work as per your wish. But people don’t understand because you cannot see him in person. Suppose a doctor keeps a photo of Shri Ganesha at his residence. He will apply kumkum on it and if I tell him that the Ganesh element is physically present in your body, you get physical advantage from it, he will never accept this. But if I tell him to remove the photo of Lord Ganesha from his house, he will not agree to that. But if I tell him that you cannot make any move without the Ganesh element, then he will not agree to that too. They feel that only a doctor can help in body matters. They do not believe in the divinity of Shri Ganesh but in Sahaj Yoga one has to believe. The reason behind this is , whatever trouble you face due to the Ganesh element then you have to pray to Lord Ganesha only. Means it is like this. Say you have some issue with your prostrate gland……Now I want to narrate my experience. I have a disciple named Agnihotri. His name is Rajwade but as he has performed many important yagnyas(fire rituals) he is referred to as Agnihotri Rajwade. He is a very committed Sahaj Yogi. Two three years ago he came to me and said that ‘I don’t have any issue except that of Prostrate gland. ‘ I was very surprised. This , very accomplished devotee and Sahaj Yogi and why should he have an issue with his prostrate.? Because the prostrate ailment arises due to the issue with the Ganesh element or if Ganesh gets upset with him. There was no reason for Ganesh to be upset with him. As he was a committed devotee and had total faith in me and was a very simple person. Then why is the Ganesh element working in the opposite direction for him, could not understand. I told him,’ take some prasad’. The Prasad is in the form of Chana(peas). When I gave this to him , his fellow person said,’ Today dada will not eat anything.’ I asked ‘Why? Why are you not eating today?’ He said” today is Sankashti. Everyone says you should not eat Chanas on Sankashti. ’ I said,’ This is the mistake. Sankashti is Lord Ganesha’s birthday’. Now all of you are educated people. Even if some one tells you anything, you should use your intelligence. Should be alert always. We keep fast on Sankashti. Sankashti or Ganesh Chaturthi are the birthdays of Shri Ganesha. If you keep fast on his birthday are you in mourning or what. It’s a simple thing, the expressions of a human being or whatever he shows as being sad or happy. Like when someone dies at our place, we do not eat food. If your grandchild is born, you will distribute sweets, have a party, have a celebration. Then will you keep a fast when Shri Ganesh is born? Then you surely will suffer from prostrate problem. Then cancer of the uterus. That too happens due to this. If you do not treat the Ganesh element with respect means if you do not treat your son well, if you do not have the feeling of motherhood in you – all this ends in Uterus trouble. There are very holy rules of the Ganesh element. If you do not follow them then you suffer from a uterus problem. But a doctor cannot relate this problem with Shri Ganesha. This is related only to Shri Ganesha which he cannot connect. He only infers that the prostrate gland has deteriorated or that the pelvic plexus has gone bad at the most. But the undercurrents beneath this or what is understood due to intuition or what is subtly understood - that which you cannot see , for which you still do not have vision, for which you do not have sensation or have not reached a state of complete fulfillment - to experience this. Then how will you understand that this problem is due to the Ganesh element having gone bad and that Shri Ganesh is upset with us. That is why we cannot achieve Sahaja Yoga without pleasing that deity. Upon hearing this, this doctor got annoyed. The moment we mention Ganesha , all doctors assert that they are not ready to believe in Shri Ganesha. We only believe in scientists. Then forget about it. Your cancer will not cured until you put faith in the Ganesh element. Cancer arises when the Ganesh element is deteriorated. If the Ganesh element is deteriorated, as it is maintaining balance in the tiniest atom and molecule , if it is damaged it gives rise to cancer. Now I can cure cancer, have cured and will cure. But this not my business. Now I have informed everyone , please do not search for Cancer patients. Because I have cured many of them and they have proved useless. There may be a few of them sitting here. But most of them then don’t follow Sahaja Yoga , don’t make progress further. Again when they suffer from cancer then, ‘ Mataji, you have cured us once. Then how did did it recur?’’ Did you follow Sahaja Yoga? Did you pursue it diligently? Did you think about it? Did you worship Shri Ganesha? Did you understand Ganesha? Nothing like that. I cured you of cancer without charging you a single paisa(farthing). Again you want me to cure you and you took no effort to…. So Ganesh element is very important, whatever importance one gives it is not enough. This, very beautiful Ganesh element made of four petals, is within us. And Shri Ganesha is sitting right in the centre of the Ganesh element which is made of four petals . This Ganesh is present in us in the pelvic plexus – which is the physical manifestation – and is taking care of physical aspect of our body. It has many aspects. The first aspect is the physical one and mental . the seed of the Mental aspect is the Ganesh element. As you have seen, as I have demonstrated just now, that the - power of pure desire – which is the power of leftside – it gives all emotions. As Ganesh is sitting at the root of that emotion, if an individual has lost his mental balance – his Ganesh element has been spoilt. This does not mean that he is impure. But if his chastity is damaged, if his chastity is persecuted by others, still he can be affected. If a person is persecuted by others this may also damage his Ganesha principle because he feels that if god or Shri Ganesha exists why doesn’t He punish the persecutor? Why does this person persecute me so much? If there is God, if there is Ganesha then why does he not kill the perpetrator? He has a battle axe in His hand. Why does He not massacre him. When such questions arise in the person’s mind his left side slowly starts deteriorating. And then he is on the verge of becoming mad. Just see, how balancing the Ganesh element is. However hard you work and whatever trouble you take, or if apply your intellect and think of future, plan ahead. Todays people are afflicted by the disease of logical thinking. Means if you start thinking too much and if there is no balance in it, then your left side gets severely affected. Means it gets frozen. And the right side starts expanding. Hence left side diseases occurs due to the damage to Ganesh principle. Like diabetes.. This disease happens when our Ganesh element is spoilt. To set right the balancing of Ganesha , He attracts our attention to the diabetes. Diabetic person starts working less. Similarly for heart disease. If you perform intense intellectual work then you suffer from heart disease. Do you see the balancing here? If you do intellectual work then you suffer from heart attack. This is the work of Ganesha. Now we have seen that the swastik of Ganesha is placed in our body in such a way- means these powers which intermingle with each other, of these the power that comes from the left is the power of Mahakali. The one coming from the right is of Maha Saraswati. – their meeting point however is in the line of Maha Lakshmi The sympathetic system on the left operates due the power of Maha Lakshmi means due to power of pure desire. If lot of things happen against the wishes of an individual and if he suffers a lot due to this and none of his desires get fulfilled then he will go mad, he will not get a heart attack. Heart attack will occur to a person , who desires a lot of things, he wants this also and that also , and does a lot of planning. He wants to do that- wants to serve the country – wants to do nation building – Some or the other thing. These are mental balloons only. Nobody has done any work. If they would have done, it would have been visible. They have just created quarrels amongst each other. Now whatever work this is, we do a lot of such external work. We must do this work and we must do that work – we must ponder over this. Because of these things our left side which is called Ida Nadi or which is the Maha Lakshmi element that gets weakened. Due to its being weakened, whatever is supported by it , or whatever our organs supply to it – that gets endangered. I have mentioned it earlier that uterus, kidney, pancreas , heart, thyroid - all these diseases happen due to over thinking. And it is balanced by Ganesha. This is the function of Ganesha. Hence we see that even if people are in a hurry, still if they see Ganesh temple , they would anyway manage to pay their obeisance. There is a long queue at Siddhi Vinayak temple. But does it make any sense? It would benefit only if you have got your self realization. If you do not have self realization, if you are not connected to the God almighty, then you will not realize how He is divine and how someone else is not. You will not realize whether Siddhi Vinayak is the real deity or who else is the real deity, Who is a false guru and who is the real guru – you will not be able to fathom this. Means this seed of Ganesha that you have in you, after Kundalini arises, Shri Ganesh explains to Kundalini that this person is suffering from all these issues and the Kundalini guides… She should be called as an informer as she provides information. Now after the Kundalini rises , you will immediately understand – if someone has a lever problem, then it would throb at that place. You would see this with your own eyes. If there is a catch on Nabhi Chakra, or if Nabhi Chakra is affected, when the Kundalini rises below the Nabhi Chakra, then your can experience the pulsation or the palpitation over there. If a person is affected by a demonic catch (Bhoot Baadha) then it will throb over your back. You will be surprised to know that we have created a film on this. Even if the Kundalini rises due to me – no doubt about it- Kundalini rises, but if the Ganesh element is affected then He will pull her down again. If she reaches the top , she will suddenly drop below again. There are many such Gurus, there was one at Pune about whom there are many stories floating around. One does not know what they exactly do. But their specialty is that even if I bring up the Kunadalini and secure her, still they would pull her down. What damage they inflicted on the Ganesh element I don’t know, what they did I am unaware. But what I have observed is that the Kundalini definitely falls down. Even if I bring up the Kundalini 5 times still it fell down. Quite a few times I visited these fake gurus, to see and observe what they were doing, I observed then that they indulge in very dirty and improper deeds. First they damage the Ganesh element by some or the other means . They say that to raise Kundalini they need to put their hand below. Now see. The Ganesh element is sitting there like a small child, to protect the chastity of his mother. And the sex drive gets a boost from the Ganesh element . So the people who say that they will awaken Kundalini by doing sex, they started saying Ganesh had an illicit relation with his mother means with Kundalini. He is sitting there . Anyone who pursues that path , he immediately hits back. Many people came to me who said,’ Mataji, Our Kundalini is awakened’. I Said,’ Is that so? What is happening? ‘ ‘ Now when I am sitting in front of you, such and such thing happened.’ Said,’ why did this happen to you. Cool breeze must flow through the hands if Kundalini is awakened.’ But the person had big boils on his neck and water was oozing through it. Some people have a lot of heat in their bodies. A person at Delhi sent me telegrams three times,’ Mataji, my Kundalini has awakened, what should I do?’ That time I was at Mumbai. I said , send him a telegram and call him. But I started from Delhi and he reached there. My sister in law said that he was running here and there as if he is bitten by thousands of ants or scorpions. Just kept on running from here to there. At Delhi, there is one gentleman called Dr Batra. He happened to come for a program just like you people. Those days I used to cure people, now I don’t do that. He said,’Shri Mataji, see me. For one month I have been suffering. I am being bitten by scorpions. My Kundalini has been awakened. People say this and that. ‘ So I said,’ Sit down for 2 minutes’ Still he was impatient, so I went to him and calmed him down in 5 minutes. The reason was mother earth. He was standing on the ground. ‘ You sat down on the ground, I am very happy. Today is an absolutely proper coincidence.’ The mother earth sucked out all his heat. Now how will you tell mother earth, ‘O mother earth, you suck all my heat’. She will not suck it out, but she sucks it for a Sahaja Yogi. The reason is that once the Ganesh element is awakened in you, and as the same element is present in the earth, the earth is operational on the same element, she sucks it. That is why one should keep this element awakened in us, the human should preserve the chastity. Not only this, but in Sahaja Yoga, the Sahaja Yogi , who is Chastity personified – for him, Ganesha is the one who propels him forward. In that world , the one who rules , – after paying obeisance three times to that Shri Ganesha - one should try to imbibe the purity like HIM in oneself.. Now the things that should not be told but which the people are talking about, about which a lot has been said - in this way many tantriks( false gurus) have invaded our country While their invasion is not political still it is so immoral and deadly that we are suffering from their deeds. These tantriks have created this filth in the 6th century. The reasons for that are , the monarchs of those times were vagabonds who lived off on people’s money- The abundance of money results into this. First spoil the Ganesh element, if money is in abundance then it persecutes the Ganesh element, go after young girls, go after small naïve girls – this spreads due to this. What do these people do? They do the same thing – exploit naivety wherever it is seen, whenever a naïve person is seen, persecute him. Destroy ones own naivety. For these vagabonds and fun loving people, the monarchs and kings , means the kings and monarchs of those days lead a self indulgent life and their ministers who were mostly Jain people. Now these Jain people at one point developed so much orthodox perspective , so much religious extremism – I think none of the Indian religions had this. They became very orthodox people. Other religions there is some balancing. But Jain people became very orthodox . I asked one Jain person. A very renowned Jain saint had been to my place. I said, ‘ Mahavira had asked you’ll to contemplate, and you folks built temples and shaved off your heads , roamed around naked – what is this all about. Why do you do these things. What is the need of this? First of all, contemplate and be one with God Almighty. ‘ They said that,’ we do this as after doing meditation etc. we achieve paranormal powers. When we got these powers , we used to shout like ghosts, used to do this and that.’ ‘Then keep doing it, these things will wear off.’ That time it may have happened, due to practicing religious extremism. But now a stage has come that you should sit for meditation and get your self realization. But amongst us, still there are these people. Many Jain people have come in Sahaja Yoga. At Nagar many people have got their self realization due to this. Because they realized that by doing these frivolous deeds, we have not reached the God Almighty. Many such people who have tried very hard but could not be one with God Almighty, so to explore something new, they came to Sahaja Yoga and have achieved their self realization. What I mean to say is that we too have religious orthodoxy. We too have our share of inflexible rules. Maharshtra has lot of this stuff. Means one should wash hands 63 times in the morning, don’t know who told this. But if the lady washes her hand 62 times and not 63 , she will not be able to sleep at night. Must prepare so many wicks, do this thing for so many times. But they do not do what needs to be done. Means while making wicks, bad mouth the daughterin law or daughter. We have such things here. Hence what I mean is Sahaja Yoga will not be achieved by everyone. It is not for any Tom, Dick and Harry. Shri Ramdas has explained the background for our work. If you have read “Dasbodh”( religious treatise by Shri Samartha Ramdas, A Marathi Saint) then we do not have to tell you anything. He has explained everything and that is the truth. A person who has the caliber and who is at that level, only that person can achieve Sahaja Yoga. Not everybody. It happens, you will get vibrations, you get realization but again slide back to original state. We have given vibrations to thousands of people. In this Mumbai city itself at least ten thousand people must have been given vibrations. But how many of these really progressed. To say, very few. Because they look in the opposite direction. There is this guru who respects me also. He was telling me that,’ donkeys should be given donkey work. Why do you keep on giving realization.? What is the need?’ I said,’ there is a dire need, This is the time for that. If realization does not happen now, then this is the last judgment. It will not work like this. Now write your own judgment. Whatever happens after this, whatever loss and profit that will happen, eleven rudras(Ekadash Rudra) will come in this. Eleven Rudras. Only one Rudra is sufficient to destroy the whole world. But when eleven Rudras come, you cannot imagine. They will obliterate everything. Before this, for people whose judgment has to be done that judgment should be done now by Sahaj Yoga and people should accept it. But for most of the people , they get berserk over small small things and they leave Sahaja Yoga . If I would have charged money and created some commotion and a grand show, then people would have liked it more. If I ask them tell me first how much money will you give me, How much money do you have to give – means if you cajole the ego of a person, he is ready to come. But in Sahaja Yoga it is to be said that all this is done by God Almighty, it happens easily. Just like a flower transforms into a fruit, similarly it will happen for you also. And just as you have nose, eyes, mouth and this human form, similarly God Almighty will give you a super human form. It is a gift, it is a boon from the God Almighty. You cannot do anything about it. Human is not ready to accept this stance. He has developed so much ego, he thinks that until he stands on his head for 10 days, he will not get anything. First you should understand that the God Almighty has done such infinite things which we cannot do, we cannot do any live work, en how will we become a super human. He only will do that. But only thing is after getting self realization only in Human form one understands that he has achieved self realisation. This the first thing. Second, with the power a person gets, he can make others achieve their self realization. This power flows through him. This way many people can get their realization. Means he will attain divinity. He himself will come into divinity. There are many such people, who were followers of great gurus, but I have not seen divinity in any of their disciples. There is no transformation that’s taken place in them. They are where they were. Even if it happens, due to fear or faithfulness but it has not happened from the inside. That event has not taken place. That transformation has not happened within. If one wants to convert this equipment into a radio or to make a fruit out of a flower means the whole thing changes. Nobody has reached this state. So in summary, first of all we should protect our Ganesh element. Nowdays there are different types of advertisements and the advertisements relate to the so called advancement or development in western countries. They have gone to the pits, have been completely destroyed. That’s why some are in a sad dilemma and are planning day and night as to which method to use to commit suicide. This is their state. Hence you should think before you pursue that path that why we are doing all this, there has to be a purpose behind it. We are in human state. That should also have some meaning. There is no point in doing the same things again and again. Similarly some people have deserted the God Almighty and some are stuck only to the name of god. Right in the morning , light a lamp in front of the deity, ring a bell and that’s it. This way or the way I mentioned about some people’s religious extremism of washing hands 63 times, people who are such religious extremists should understand that they will not connect to the god almighty by doing such futile things. God is within us, we should awaken Him. We should keep him awakened and we should awaken HIM in others. This is the message of Sahaja Yoga. So Kundalini is the Mother and Shri Ganesh is her creation, Shri Ganesh is her child. Kundalini within us moves on Shri Ganesha’ hand. You must have seen what is in Shri Ganesha’s hand. Similarly there is a snake tied around his belly or sometimes in his hand….Means Ganesha has only four hands but actually he has infinite hands. Of these they show a snake in one hand. That is the Kundalini. Similarly our Sahaja Yogis who get their self realization, it is surprising that Kundalini rises on their hands. When they raise their hand , the Kundalini rises up. A small Sahaja Yogi child can raise his Kundalini. Kids of 2 years, kids of 5-6 months can also tell the position of your Kundalini. ‘My Grand daughter was of 6 months when Shri Modi had come to my place. And his agnya chakra had a catch. While speaking, she did not understand when she was crawling she brought the kum kum container and applied kum kum to his fore head and released his agnya chakra’s catch. She keeps on doing such thing. I have seen the same thing in my Sahaja Yogis’ small kids. They are born as realized souls. Right from their birth. Means what a great thing the god almighty has started now. Souls who are realized from birth itself are coming in this world. For that no need to take sannyas( renounce world). People who feel the necessity of taking sannyas, they have not been able to get their self realization. After being self realized, you get detached from within. Once you get detached from within, you need not take the sannyas outwardly. Means take sannyas, advertise it to the world that one has taken sannyas but if nothing has happened from within then what the need to advertise? If you are a male, then seeing the face itself people can say if he is a male or female. Do you advertise it that you are a male or a female? It is something like that. If you become a sannyasi by heart then you are an ascetic from within. What ever it may be at the outside but you are a sannyasi on the inside. And you can easily reach this state in Sahaja Yoga. There is no need to take sannyas or anything. No need to relinquish the world for that. The state of Shri Shankar or the state that Shri Shankar has attained that He too needed the creation of Ganesha similarly you too will have to create Shri Ganesh. They say that India has a large population, it is well accepted that India has a large population, where else to increase the population? England has a negative growth, Germany too has a minus growth, America has a minus growth because any wise person will not take birth there. All of them will come at our place only. There is a statistics indicating that every week in England , parents kill two children. If that is the statistics then which wise person will take birth there. That is why all of them take birth here. We are tolerating the stupidity of these people and we are being blamed. These children will not take birth elsewhere as the condition of children is so deplorable at other places. Children are appreciated only in our country. Today a small child approached me, he knows Marathi Language and he asked what do they call a small kid’s playful running(Dududu) around in English? How will they have one, I said. Do they even see small kids running around? We have some playful terms (Dududu) for a small child’s running around which denotes affection for kids. We should read the description Shri Krishna or read description of Shri Rama from their childhood, you would simply appreciate it. You will not find the childhood description of Jesus Christ anywhere. Only our Rev. Tilak has coined some poems depicting how He used ‘ to put his small fingers in his mouth and utter some sweet things’ describing Jesus Christ as a small child. This is because he has the Indian ethos in his heart and hence he described how Christ’s childhood would have been. But you will not have an English word describing the playful running of a small child. I was also in a dilemma as to how to explain that small kid because the body expressions or the body gestures of a small child or the term used to describe the growth in the chubbiness of a child there is no equivalent in English language. On the contrary they say that kids should not be chubby , they should be thin. because they idolize the actors and actresses. This way by creating new concepts they have taken away the innocence and that we should not do. There is nothing that we can learn from them. You will be surprised to know that soon after the child is born- I also felt the same as what you felt - , Whenever a small child is born we take so much care but these people put him in a different room after putting on nappies etc. And they keep dogs and cats in their bedroom. I could not understand why this is so. They informed that because it disturbs them at the night. I asked them why have you taken birth in this world? When my daughters and their children were to visit us, my husband’s secretary who was a elderly lady who did not have any children – she said to me,you must be upset. I said why should I be upset. I am very happy that the kids are coming. She said that your house would get untidy. I said Goodness gracious. We will not even have such thoughts coming to us. This is a complete ego orientation . Means if you have not paid attention to the Ganesh element then you become ego oriented. One develops a terrible ego. An egotist person will always have a conflict with the Ganesh element. We have seen that all the great leaders- if you see- their have zero character. The reason for it - Once a person develops ego, it grows on the right side, and due to growth on the right side the ego keeps on increasing. And due to this ego whether it is Shri Ganesh or the Ganesh element, or the virtuosity , nothing counts. I am the only one that matters is the way he thinks and he loses the Ganesh element in him. But another example of this is – the people who take Sannyas, who stay unmarried, stay away from the house and do not stay in touch with others is a similar type of people. If the Ganesh element is awakened in us ,then we can get connected to God Almighty even by living a family life And even if you want divinity you have to be in this world. If you stick to intense and difficult renunciation you may get the title of ‘Brahmarshi’. But I feel that there are some accomplished Bramharshis – I know a lot of them but they are not prepared to do anything now. They do not have the earnest desire and they are not ready to take so much effort. I sometimes feel sad, their opinion is that whosoever are their devotees – they are not yet ready. If we are ready to take effort then we can prepare them and get them ahead . Quite a few times I feel that it will be good if all these people come forward and helped me. They revere me a lot. There is a gentleman near Calcutta who is an accomplished person and he told an American about me ,’ Now that Mataji has arrived , we are observing her work. We also want to contribute to this work. We also want to do this work and destroying the demons etc.- that we are accomplishing by our mental prowess. ‘ But when I asked the American ,’ why don’t you take him to America?’ He went to America and came back in 5 days flat and said to me,’ I do not wish to meet such people. They are very dirty people. ‘ This is because he is not used to people yet. One could say- He cannot tolerate too many people around him as he has been staying away from people. Now what happened due to this is that if you come across a saint or a hermit, you would fall at his feet, you would bestow your faith in him – due to this you will no doubt improve your state but how will you attain self realization? Because to achieve that you need to put your hands in the filth. If you wish to improve your child, need to bring up your child then the mother has to deal with filth. If she hates the filth then who will clean the child? And hence it is the work of a mother only. And I am doing the work of a Mother in Sahaja Yoga. You all can bathe in it, take pleasure out of it – this is the desire of a Mother. The only wish a mother has is that whatever power she has ….. One may be divine or whatever – you can be so in your own home. What is your use to us? You may be so called Bhagwan etc. what is his use to us ? Until the common folks benefit from it, until the common folks can get something out of him until their children get their powers – what is the use of such a mother? It is better not to be such a mother than to be one. So the person whom you consider to be a guru or your mother , consider elder to yourself, if he has not understood himself then what ideal can you derive from him? In Sahaja Yoga you can derive the meaning of ‘Swa” . Meaning of Swa’- means you can relate to the relevance of your atma. This I would explain to you in my next lecture. At the moment I have explained about the Ganesh element. To tell you, I have written about 50 pages on this. On the Mooladhar Chakra. How the position of Ganesha is on the Mooladhar chakra , how the Kundalini makes sounds in that, and how the Kundalini moves. How there are different facets to the petals and how they exist within the petals and how they suck in etc…lot of such things in that. And you must get all that knowledge and you WILL get it and I will not hide anything about it. I am ready to explain everything to you. but you will have to put all the efforts after realization. If you don’t work hard you won’t get any benefit. Now today’s program is about awakening the Kundalini. I think you should work hard for this. Now people have a query as to what should be done in the pooja. ‘ Shri Mataji, what should be done on the occasion of Shri Ganesha pooja? ‘ I have the knowledge beyond the obvious that you cannot see, what Nanak has called as ‘ALAKH” ( which cannot be seen or perceived). I see with those eyes. So first of all I want to tell you to examine if you are chaste enough. To take bath etc. is all ok. Even if you don’t do that it is alright. One Muslim too performs the Ganesh Pooja quite well, you will be surprised to know. In Algeria, approximately 500 Muslim young girls and boys have got their self realization. But the main person there is known as Jamel. And he performs the Ganesh Pooja so well, that it is worth seeing. He establishes the Ganesha and he himself performs the pooja. Means in Sahaja Yoga, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, all are included. And moreover it has been shown how their deities are included in Sahaja Yoga. This Ganesh element, when it comes on the Agnya chakra, it took the form of Christ when it came in this world. You would have read in ‘Devi Mahatmya’ , the Bhagwat written by Shri Markandeya. …you could say Markandeya is my most beloved son. Nowadays nobody reads Markandeya, but if you can get it , read the description of Shri Maha Vishnu. He has mentioned that Radha had created her own son by herself. Means just as Parvati created her son, she too had created. But Ganesh element is the base for it. And based on Ganesh Element the son she had created, he came in this world as Christ. Now Christ. Since Radha had created him , he is called Christ in the name of Krishna and since Yashoda is there, hence Yeshu. In this way he has positioned the Ganesh element in the form of Christ. That is why these people who call themselves as Christians they don’t even know that first of all this is the Ganesh element. It is the proliferation of the Ganesh element and how he is going to arrive as eleven Rudras I will be explaining you all later. In summary, after reaching the Agnya Chakra, the axe which Shri Ganesha used to hit everyone has turned into a means to forgive. Forgiveness is the most powerful means of human beings. They don’t need a sword, they do not need anything if they forgive others then they will not have to suffer. That is why today in Sahaja Yoga, when we get a catch on Agnya Chakra we tell people to forgive others and people know how beneficial it is. People following Sahaja Yoga have accepted this and they have seen it because in Sahaja Yoga everything is visible. If you do not forgive your catch on agnya chakra will not get released. You headache will not go, you suffering will not end, your tumor will not decrease. Hence to forgive is a must. Because till the time you compel people, force people they are not prepared to follow. I think that is the main reason for all the diseases because even if you keep on convincing human beings, they use their own reasoning that this may be due to something else, that may have a different cause. This means you have not reached at your inference , your connection has not yet been established, so get it established. First of all , get your self realization. That is what I want to tell. Do not find a way out of that. It cannot happen due to thinking , due to debating or by reading books , it should happen from within. It must happen. This event must take place. Sometimes there are such super idiots especially in the cities, not in the villages. They say ,’ It did not happen to us. See, we are not affected?’ ‘ Means you are very cool. What else to say?’. If you did not get to experience that, it means you are having some problem with you. It could be physical, mental or intellectual. Remove it. It is not good. It must happen. Only after that you would get happiness. If you think like that , everything will become alright. So out of this , the ego portion that you need to offer at the feet of Shri Ganesha. If you do all this today then half of my task will be accomplished. Need to request Ganesha about your ego – somehow please take away our ego – if you say this and offer your ego to HIM – then it will make me very happy. Because I profess that everyone should have a son like Shri Ganesha and by merely uttering his name my entire body gets divine vibrations. After paying my respects to such beautiful Ganesha, I conclude my speech. Do you have any questions? You should have questions. I am not a political leader. And I have not come to you for an election that please offer me votes etc.. Need to see if you vote yourself. To tell you in English – Nothing is on sale here so don’t come with an attitude of a purchaser, but it is something to be gifted. Ok, ask me a question. Ask questions. Now we know that our Sahaja Yogis have vibrations flowing through their hands so it will also flow through your hands. And I am definitely going to tell about what Shri Shankaracharya has written regarding the divine vibrations etc. But when these vibrations flow and then how to harness them….(Mataji talking to people – please sit down I will explain a little. Are you in a hurry? Yes, yes. I am going to explain tomorrow. But don’t come only to listen. Please come to take away something. I am not giving a religious discourse. Come to take something. And bring your home folks also. Please don’t just wait. Tomorrow bring all of them and get your self realization. Please sit and be patient. It cannot happen in a hurry.) A couple of days back one doctor had come He said he came here as it was on the way of his visit. I told him it will be good if he proceeds on his visit. So you need to be patient. We don’t have time for God Almighty. He has given everything to us for that time only. He has created the universe and filled it with so much science. Science is given by God Almighty only for contemplation and this is not understood by the humans.

1st Day of Navaratri Celebrations, Shri Kundalini, Shri Ganesha 22-09-1979 [English Translation from Marathi] On today’s auspicious occasion, in a pleasant environment, such a beautiful subject – seems that many coincidences have come together. Till date nobody suggested me to speak on the subject of worship but it is so important. Especially in this land of Yoga (Yogabhumi), in our land of Bharat (India), especially in this holy land of Maharashtra, the Goddess of nature has come up with the creation of Ashtavinayakas, so what is the greatness of Ganesha, what is the importance of Ashtavinayakas etc is not known to many people. I am very surprised at this. Perhaps the people who understood everything, who knew everything - those great ascetics and saints of our holy land – they must not have been given the liberty to express, or may be nobody listened to them. Any amount of explanation about this will be inadequate and even seven lectures instead of one would be insufficient for me to speak about Shri Ganesha. Today’s auspicious day is that of ‘Ghata Pujan’. Ghatasthapna is primordial. When this universe was created, many times. The universe has not been created only once but many times. When this universe was created, first they installed the Ghata (container). What do you mean by Ghata? One needs to understand this very deeply. Firstly, the Almighty resides in the state of Bramhatatva,(universal element or principle). We will call it entropy in English. When there is no movement in this state, when the desire originates in this state or when the Almighty fancies desire then this desire gets established in HIM that something new must be created in this world. Why does He get this desire? It is His desire. To understand why the Almighty has this desire is beyond the understanding of the human being. Likewise there are many things beyond the general comprehension of a human being. But as we take them for granted similarly we must accept that that God’s wish is His own hobby. It’s His desire, He does whatever He wants to do. This desire gets merged in Him and again gets awakened. Like a person sleeps off and again awakens. After sleeping even if his desires are dormant and are with him, they get activated only when he wakes up. It is same thing with God Almighty. When He has a desire to create nature then all these waves of creation of the universe, of the desire or what we can call as waves or ripples get collected. And after accumulation, the ghat in which they get filled in – this is that ghat( container) . It is the will power of God Almighty itself. If we separate the God Almighty and his Will Power, and if we can understand it that way. It is same with us. We and our will power are different. This power takes birth first. Till the time you desire something, till then that thing and its realization does not happen. This beautiful enormous world of ours, this too is a result of somebody’s desire. Everything gets activated only after we wish it and to activate God’s desire, we need to separate it from HIM. If it remains included in the God Almighty, then it remains dormant. When it starts its work by separating from HIM, we call it as “Adishakti” . When this initial state came, then Ghatasthapana happened. This has happened many times since time immemorial. And today also when we do Ghatasthapana, we remember that eternal infinite process. Means during this time (Navratra first day) we do the Ghatasthpana. So keep in mind what a great event this is. That time what the God Almighty desired, before activating it He collected it. This was placed in a Ghat (container), the same desire today is being worshipped by us. We worshipped it today. God Almighty desired it. He made us part of humanity today. He helped us reach this great state. Hence it is our prime duty to bow to His desire. In the language of Sahaja Yoga, we call this as the desire of Mahakali or the power of Mahakali. This is the power of Mahakali and these events that take place for nine days (specially in Maharashtra) these are about the various incarnations of this Mahakali. Even today, nothing can happen before the power of Mahakali or the power of pure desire. Hence the power of pure desire is the beginning and the end also transpires in it. First of all, everything emanates from the desire and at the end it merges in it. So this power of Shri Sadashiva ( Lord Shiva), is the Adi Shakti and it moves around as Mahakali Power within us. At this juncture if we consider it as the Supreme Power, if we consider it as the formulation of the Viraat ( infinite) , the power on the left which flows through our Ida Nadi and that power is known as power of Mahakali. This is more widespread in the humans. It is not as much in the animals. This power enters us from the right side of our head. Subsequently it moves along the left side to go below the triangular bone which is the position of Lord Ganesha and ends there. Means first and foremost, the power of Mahakali gave birth only to Shri Ganesh. Then Shri Ganesha got established. Ganesh is the first deity that got established and similarly the situation of Ganesh is same as that of Mahakali. This is the seed and the whole world emanates from this seed and again gets merged with it. Similarly everything after emanating from the Ganesh element merges with Ganesh element itself. Whatever exists, Ganesh is the seed of that. Whatever appears in front of us, in action, in desire, Ganesh is the seed of it. That is why Ganesh is considered the foremost main deity. Not only that, without worshipping Shri Ganesh, we cannot do any work. Then they may be Shaiva( devotees who worship Shri Shiva), maybe Vaishnav( devotees who worship Shri Vishnu), may be devotees of Shri Bramha or anybody else – all of them first worship Shri Ganesha. The reason for this is that Shri Ganesh element was established by God Almighty as the first thing in this universe. The Ganesh principle is what we call as ‘abodhita’ or what we call as ‘innocence’ in English. This is a very subtle principle. We do not understand it. In childhood it exists in the children, everywhere we see its expression, its fragrance, wafting all over - that is why small children are so lovable - such is the principle of “innocence’. It is present in Shri Ganesha. It is difficult for human beings to understand this that how can one deity encompass all these things? If we look at the sun we see it has the power to give light similarly Shri Ganesha has power of ‘innocence’ . This power of ‘innocence ‘ that the God Almighty has imbibed in us , we worship this power of innocence. And we should also be such innocent beings. Many people feel that being innocent means being ignorant. The meaning behind ‘innocence’ is that just like a small child is innocent , he is naive –that naivety should come in us. We do not understand how great this principle is. Suppose a small child starts playing. Today’s kids do not have much naivety. We only are responsible for that. What else can we tell others. How are we following our religions. How deeply involved are we in our religions? How religious we make our children – it is dependant on that and must know this is the outcome of that. Now the presence of innocence in humans can be identified by watching a child. A person may have it, however old he becomes, still he has that innocence. Like a small kid while playing can impersonate Shivaji, may build a fort, will do everything. Then he will leave everything and go away. One must leave everything after doing it. One must leave everything and be detached about it. One must not get entangled in something. Must have no involvement. This is the typical behavior of children. If you give anything to any child, he will preserve it. Will preserve it for a long time. After some time he will have no feelings for it. If we take away that thing without letting him know, he will not feel anything about it. But there are some things that a child may not leave which are very important to him. One of such things is his mother. He does not leave his mother. Rest any thing of this world you take from him, it is alright with him - He does not understand wealth, he does not understand money, he does not understand education, he does not understand anything except his mother. This is my mother. She gave birth to me. She is everything for me. He does not accord importance to anything other than his mother. Rabindranath Tagore has written a beautiful story. A small child lost his way in the market place and people caught him and asked him what he wants.’ He was continuously crying. They told him that they would give him this thing, give him horse, give him elephant. He said nothing doing , I want my mother.’ And he was continuously crying for his mother.He did not eat anything offered to him. Kept on crying the whole day. He became quiet only when he met his mother. All of us have this seed element in us from the childhood itself. We do not leave our mother. We know that this mother has given birth to us. But in addition there is another mother within us that the God almighty has given. And this mother is “Kundalini” . God almighty has curled up Mother Kundalini and placed her in our sacrum bone(triangular bone).She is our mother and we are continuously searching her. In all our searches whether political, social or educational – whatever your interests may be, behind all these interests you are searching your mother. This Mother Kundalini takes you to the ultimate position where you get complete satisfaction. The search for this mother, the longing for this mother, which lies in us in a subtle form , which embraces us stays awakened due to the Ganesha principle. The person whose Ganesha element is destroyed completely he is not innocent. We observe many qualities in a person who is innocent. means he has chastity in his relations with his mother, sister, and brother. During common interactions, social interactions, during worldly interactions God has defined one spouse and all other people in this world – if we consider that we have pure relation with them as God Almighty has defined – if this is seen in your behavior then it should be considered that the person has true innocence. This is his true attribute. The sign of innocence is that a person sees purity in all individuals. Reason is as he has purity within himself, he will not regard anyone as impure. Here we don’t have to explain about chastity as people know what chastity is. . In England or America we have to explain because their minds are confused. But you all are sensible. By grace of God in this land of India say due to Ashtavinayakas or due to good deeds from your previous lives or due to the service rendered by our gurus and saints , this is one land on this earth where holiness still prevails. It is a very great thing and you have organized the puja (worship) of this holiness. So while doing puja, you must pay attention to whether you have that holiness or not. In our Sahaja Yoga those who do not have Ganesh element they do not have the purity. He is of no use to us. We do not pay attention to such a person. But there is no way to tell upfront that you have lost this holy attribute. Even though we know all this , we cannot tell this – because this Ganapati who is installed there, he is the son of Gauri. And Gauri means the power of Kundalini which encompasses us, this is the power of Gauri. Today there is Gauri Pujan(worship) and Ganesh Pujan – we must realize what a significant day it is. The Ganesh element present in us tells Gauri whether this person is alright or not. Means one must appreciate the good arrangement that is made. Means the two nadis coming from the top, Ida and Pingla… Now if you have not read about Sahaja Yoga at all then it will be a bit difficult but if you try to understand it is not that difficult. Ida and Pingala are the two nadis(channels) within us. Of these one is Mahakali and the other is Maha Saraswati. These are the two nadis. The Maha Saraswati has emanated from Maha Kali. Means she is the power of pure action. The first one is the power of pure desire and other one is the power of pure action. Of these two powers, whatever deeds we have done in this birth as well as past births, whatever are our good deeds , whatever are our bad deeds, this all is evaluated by Shri Ganesha who is within us. He is observing how much virtue this person has accumulated. Today’s modern people do not have any inkling about virtues and they do not even think about it. People think what sense does it make that how much virtue one has and for what. When they don’t have any concept about virtue then sin and its atonement etc.- then knowing these things has no meaning. But the human has a feel for sin and virtue. Animals do not have this. Animals do not have feel for many things. If you walk an animal thru dung or filth, it does not sense the smell. It does not have any appreciation for beauty. The moment you become human, you get a thought about virtue and sin. You understand that this is wrong. This is sin, should not do this. This is a good deed, should do it. Instead of we making a judgment about sin and virtue, Shri Ganesh keeps an accurate account sitting within us. Every human has a place for Shri Ganesha and it is near the prostate gland, we call it MOOLADHAR chakra. establishment of Shri Ganesha . The triangular bone is called Mooladhar where mother Kundalini is sitting. Just under that triangular bone, Shri Ganesha is protecting her rather protecting her chastity. Now we know how Shri Gauri established Shri Ganesha. She was married but had not yet met with her husband. That time she had gone for her bath and after removing the dirt from her body……Now if you have vibrations in your entire – if your entire body has the divine vibrations and if this divine vibration is flowing and if that is taken in the dirt of one’s body then that too has divine vibrations. She created Ganapati out of this dirt and kept it outside her bathing place. Now see, she kept him outside the bathing place and not in the front from where the all the filth is flowing. Many of you must be knowing, when the water from the bathroom flows then many a times the leaves from patra(alu) or some people plant lotus flowers also and they grow there quite well. It is quite surprising , the lotus flowers grow only where there is a puddle. Same is the example of Shri Ganesh. Means where the dirtiest region of the house is, on that dirty region of the house this lotus has bloomed and with its perfume it imparts its fragrance to this dirt. This power of his also greatly helps us in our lives. The dirt that we see in us is secured due to the Ganesh element. Now this Ganesh element has to first perform pujan(worship) of Kundalini means of Shri Gauri first .Means your Ganesh element first has to perform your Kundalini’s pujan. In short , to bring abodhita (innocence) in us . You will be surprised when Kundalini gets awakened that time the fragrance of the Ganesh element spreads in the entire body. (Mataji speaking – These are realized should, please sit here..It does not matter) Many people especially Sahaja Yogis sense the fragrance when Kundalini gets awakened. Because Ganesh element is made out of earth element or the earth itself is made out of Ganesh element. This earth is made out of Shri Maha Ganesh(Ganesh Almighty). So the presence of Shri Ganesh in us, that too is comprised of the earth element . Now we know that all fragrances emanate out of earth. The fragrances of all flowers emanate out of earth. That is why when Kundalini gets awakened many people sense different types of aromas. Not only this, many Sahaja Yogis tell me that Shri Mataji when we remember you we sense very intense fragrance and such fragrances emanate from your body also. Many people misunderstand that Shri Mataji wears some perfume but it is not so. If the Ganesh element is wakened in you then the fragrance emanates from within. Different types of fragrances emanate out of a person. But you must be knowing that there are such people in world who call themselves as Sadhus or saints and they cannot live with fragrance. They call themselves God and they cannot tolerate fragrance. We have explicit writings on this. You read any deity’s description. Especially that of Shri Ganesha. That He loves fragrance. Not only that, He loves flowers. And He loves lotus. Similarly it is written in the description of Shri Vishnu, written in the description of the Goddesses. This means that those people who do not like fragrance , who cannot tolerate fragrance they have some serious flaw and they are against the God Almighty. They do not have the power of the Almighty for sure. The person who cannot tolerate fragrance at all, he certainly has some anti-God elements in him. Because fragrance is a great principle of the Earth element. There are many names for it in the language of Yoga. Its no use telling about it that as you would keep thinking about it. But the important point to note is, whatever five significant elements are and before that whatever life elements they have , the first amongst these is the element of fragrance. This element constitutes the earth. Shri Ganesh is made up of this life element. Therefore before worshipping Lord Ganesha , one must exude perfume ourselves that means our lives should have a subtle fragrance. Not at an overt level. A person who is very wicked , is very vile at an overt level, has an equally fowl smell. Such a person from Sahaja Yoga’s perspective is fowl smelling….On the outside even if the person smells good, still that person is not considered fragrant. Fragrance should be such that it should attract the person. If we stand near a person and if we feel pleasant about him and experience purity then that person is a real fragrant person. But if the person has lust and libertine instincts oozing out of him, if you stand near him some people may feel good and this depends on their vile instincts But these people don’t belong to the Ganesh element. A person of the Ganesha principle is very righteous, but still this person has a special charm, and this charm has so much holiness that this holiness itself keeps him happy. Now the concepts of attraction also have become very weird. They are against the Ganesh element. The reason for this is that people do not have Ganesh element in them. If a person has the Ganesh element, then the attraction also depends on our Ganesh element. It is quite natural. If the element is present in us, how can we get attracted unless the other person also has that element as well. There is a famous painting of Monalisa. You would have heard – It is a beautiful portrait by Leonard-Da-Vinci and it is kept in the Louvre museum in Paris. If we see that painting, see that lady ,you feel she is very listless. She has nothing special from the perspective of modern ladies and according to the modern ideas of beauty , nobody would ever call her a beauty queen . She has a typical smile over her face which is called the mobile smile of Mona Lisa. And even after working hard on that smile for thousands of years, people have not been able to draw such a portrait. What is the main thing about the famous portrait , means what is the main element here and - that is Chastity. This portrait has so much of chastity that it makes it attractive. Even in today’s modern age , behind the weird and perverted thoughts, I am surprised that thousands of people come to Louvre to see only that portrait. If the portrait is not available to view on some day , then nobody goes inside that day. It is a very large museum but nobody is prepared to go in if they are unable to see that portrait. That way there is nothing special about that portrait. That lady is in a very simple attire, She has very plain hair. And in spite of having a very simple face, what is the captivating feature of the portrait? Chastity!! Chastitity is the main feature. But in today’s modern world if we talk about purity , then the great intellectuals do not agree with it. They feel that these are old ideas and these ideas mean don’t do this, don’t do that, by saying this we are conditioning people and by thinking thus a person goes on the wrong path. Now to tell you, a person imbibes chastity due to company of his virtuous parents. First of all the mother . Firstly, if a mother is not virtuous it’s very difficult for a son to be virtuous but sometimes a child takes birth out of the womb of an adulterous woman just for her salvation because he is a great soul, and a holy soul takes birth in his form. I have seen that just like a lotus blooms in filth he takes birth there. Especially in London I am very surprised to note that there are some small children whose mothers we will not entertain at all at our door steps. Even if it is like that it is an exception. If by nature the mother is a pious woman then , boy or a girl they become pious quite easily. Or they acquire virtuosity quite easily. Here we do not tolerate any utterances against our mother. People come charging even if one word is uttered against mother. But how many mothers are there today who have this chastity in them. In chastity the main thing the mother has is that she should have loyalty towards her husband, first and foremost. If Parvati would not have the loyalty for Lord Shiva then is there any meaning to her ? There is no importance for Parvati then. Even if she is perceived as more powerful than Lord Shiva, that power belongs to Lord Shiva. Even if it is the power of Lord Sadashiva, still first of all she chose Lord Shiva as her superior , she bowed in front of Him. And only then she was considered as a powerful deity. But She is His Power. It is different for God Almighty and deities and absolutely different for human beings. The humans will not understand that when the husband and wife live in unison they are not separate just like a moon and moon light Or the Sun and its rays. The humans don’t appreciate this unison . They think that there has to be quarrels between husband and wife. If there is no quarrel then it is an abnormal thing. This way a very pure bond between a husband and a wife or we can say between Shri Sadashiv and Shri Parvati existed. And their son is Shri Ganesh. Parvati gave birth to Him only on the basis of her chastity, means she did not include even the father’s component. Means only on the basis of her chastity and her resolution she gave birth to Ganesha. This is such a significant event. With her chastity, with her resolution she did this. In Sahaja Yoga too, whatever virtuosity I have, I have put it to stake. With this resolution - to give birth to as many people as possible - is the mission that I have set for my life. Now before me so many speakers have spoken about me. You don’t think about it. Till the time you get something from me, get any experience of me till then you do not get entangled in these things. People frown upon such things. Not only that, people get furious about it. Now this boy also got angry because the speaker said,’ Shri Mataji is a goddess’. People do not like saying such things at all. ( these are self realized people). They get upset about such things. And to be angry is congruent with human nature. If someone refers to you as Devi (Goddess) then people are bound to be upset. But if idiots refer themselves as God even then people bow to them. People consider them as God Almighty. Then if someone makes them dance naked or fleece them of their money, still it is OK. But will still call them Bhagwan. But one should understand the reality. And if we get it , understand it as to what it means and why we have to say this. And why we have to admit it. Today I am going to tell you that. If you do not consider Ganesh as God then nothing will work as per your wish. But people don’t understand because you cannot see him in person. Suppose a doctor keeps a photo of Shri Ganesha at his residence. He will apply kumkum on it and if I tell him that the Ganesh element is physically present in your body, you get physical advantage from it, he will never accept this. But if I tell him to remove the photo of Lord Ganesha from his house, he will not agree to that. But if I tell him that you cannot make any move without the Ganesh element, then he will not agree to that too. They feel that only a doctor can help in body matters. They do not believe in the divinity of Shri Ganesh but in Sahaj Yoga one has to believe. The reason behind this is , whatever trouble you face due to the Ganesh element then you have to pray to Lord Ganesha only. Means it is like this. Say you have some issue with your prostrate gland……Now I want to narrate my experience. I have a disciple named Agnihotri. His name is Rajwade but as he has performed many important yagnyas(fire rituals) he is referred to as Agnihotri Rajwade. He is a very committed Sahaj Yogi. Two three years ago he came to me and said that ‘I don’t have any issue except that of Prostrate gland. ‘ I was very surprised. This , very accomplished devotee and Sahaj Yogi and why should he have an issue with his prostrate.? Because the prostrate ailment arises due to the issue with the Ganesh element or if Ganesh gets upset with him. There was no reason for Ganesh to be upset with him. As he was a committed devotee and had total faith in me and was a very simple person. Then why is the Ganesh element working in the opposite direction for him, could not understand. I told him,’ take some prasad’. The Prasad is in the form of Chana(peas). When I gave this to him , his fellow person said,’ Today dada will not eat anything.’ I asked ‘Why? Why are you not eating today?’ He said” today is Sankashti. Everyone says you should not eat Chanas on Sankashti. ’ I said,’ This is the mistake. Sankashti is Lord Ganesha’s birthday’. Now all of you are educated people. Even if some one tells you anything, you should use your intelligence. Should be alert always. We keep fast on Sankashti. Sankashti or Ganesh Chaturthi are the birthdays of Shri Ganesha. If you keep fast on his birthday are you in mourning or what. It’s a simple thing, the expressions of a human being or whatever he shows as being sad or happy. Like when someone dies at our place, we do not eat food. If your grandchild is born, you will distribute sweets, have a party, have a celebration. Then will you keep a fast when Shri Ganesh is born? Then you surely will suffer from prostrate problem. Then cancer of the uterus. That too happens due to this. If you do not treat the Ganesh element with respect means if you do not treat your son well, if you do not have the feeling of motherhood in you – all this ends in Uterus trouble. There are very holy rules of the Ganesh element. If you do not follow them then you suffer from a uterus problem. But a doctor cannot relate this problem with Shri Ganesha. This is related only to Shri Ganesha which he cannot connect. He only infers that the prostrate gland has deteriorated or that the pelvic plexus has gone bad at the most. But the undercurrents beneath this or what is understood due to intuition or what is subtly understood - that which you cannot see , for which you still do not have vision, for which you do not have sensation or have not reached a state of complete fulfillment - to experience this. Then how will you understand that this problem is due to the Ganesh element having gone bad and that Shri Ganesh is upset with us. That is why we cannot achieve Sahaja Yoga without pleasing that deity. Upon hearing this, this doctor got annoyed. The moment we mention Ganesha , all doctors assert that they are not ready to believe in Shri Ganesha. We only believe in scientists. Then forget about it. Your cancer will not cured until you put faith in the Ganesh element. Cancer arises when the Ganesh element is deteriorated. If the Ganesh element is deteriorated, as it is maintaining balance in the tiniest atom and molecule , if it is damaged it gives rise to cancer. Now I can cure cancer, have cured and will cure. But this not my business. Now I have informed everyone , please do not search for Cancer patients. Because I have cured many of them and they have proved useless. There may be a few of them sitting here. But most of them then don’t follow Sahaja Yoga , don’t make progress further. Again when they suffer from cancer then, ‘ Mataji, you have cured us once. Then how did did it recur?’’ Did you follow Sahaja Yoga? Did you pursue it diligently? Did you think about it? Did you worship Shri Ganesha? Did you understand Ganesha? Nothing like that. I cured you of cancer without charging you a single paisa(farthing). Again you want me to cure you and you took no effort to…. So Ganesh element is very important, whatever importance one gives it is not enough. This, very beautiful Ganesh element made of four petals, is within us. And Shri Ganesha is sitting right in the centre of the Ganesh element which is made of four petals . This Ganesh is present in us in the pelvic plexus – which is the physical manifestation – and is taking care of physical aspect of our body. It has many aspects. The first aspect is the physical one and mental . the seed of the Mental aspect is the Ganesh element. As you have seen, as I have demonstrated just now, that the - power of pure desire – which is the power of leftside – it gives all emotions. As Ganesh is sitting at the root of that emotion, if an individual has lost his mental balance – his Ganesh element has been spoilt. This does not mean that he is impure. But if his chastity is damaged, if his chastity is persecuted by others, still he can be affected. If a person is persecuted by others this may also damage his Ganesha principle because he feels that if god or Shri Ganesha exists why doesn’t He punish the persecutor? Why does this person persecute me so much? If there is God, if there is Ganesha then why does he not kill the perpetrator? He has a battle axe in His hand. Why does He not massacre him. When such questions arise in the person’s mind his left side slowly starts deteriorating. And then he is on the verge of becoming mad. Just see, how balancing the Ganesh element is. However hard you work and whatever trouble you take, or if apply your intellect and think of future, plan ahead. Todays people are afflicted by the disease of logical thinking. Means if you start thinking too much and if there is no balance in it, then your left side gets severely affected. Means it gets frozen. And the right side starts expanding. Hence left side diseases occurs due to the damage to Ganesh principle. Like diabetes.. This disease happens when our Ganesh element is spoilt. To set right the balancing of Ganesha , He attracts our attention to the diabetes. Diabetic person starts working less. Similarly for heart disease. If you perform intense intellectual work then you suffer from heart disease. Do you see the balancing here? If you do intellectual work then you suffer from heart attack. This is the work of Ganesha. Now we have seen that the swastik of Ganesha is placed in our body in such a way- means these powers which intermingle with each other, of these the power that comes from the left is the power of Mahakali. The one coming from the right is of Maha Saraswati. – their meeting point however is in the line of Maha Lakshmi The sympathetic system on the left operates due the power of Maha Lakshmi means due to power of pure desire. If lot of things happen against the wishes of an individual and if he suffers a lot due to this and none of his desires get fulfilled then he will go mad, he will not get a heart attack. Heart attack will occur to a person , who desires a lot of things, he wants this also and that also , and does a lot of planning. He wants to do that- wants to serve the country – wants to do nation building – Some or the other thing. These are mental balloons only. Nobody has done any work. If they would have done, it would have been visible. They have just created quarrels amongst each other. Now whatever work this is, we do a lot of such external work. We must do this work and we must do that work – we must ponder over this. Because of these things our left side which is called Ida Nadi or which is the Maha Lakshmi element that gets weakened. Due to its being weakened, whatever is supported by it , or whatever our organs supply to it – that gets endangered. I have mentioned it earlier that uterus, kidney, pancreas , heart, thyroid - all these diseases happen due to over thinking. And it is balanced by Ganesha. This is the function of Ganesha. Hence we see that even if people are in a hurry, still if they see Ganesh temple , they would anyway manage to pay their obeisance. There is a long queue at Siddhi Vinayak temple. But does it make any sense? It would benefit only if you have got your self realization. If you do not have self realization, if you are not connected to the God almighty, then you will not realize how He is divine and how someone else is not. You will not realize whether Siddhi Vinayak is the real deity or who else is the real deity, Who is a false guru and who is the real guru – you will not be able to fathom this. Means this seed of Ganesha that you have in you, after Kundalini arises, Shri Ganesh explains to Kundalini that this person is suffering from all these issues and the Kundalini guides… She should be called as an informer as she provides information. Now after the Kundalini rises , you will immediately understand – if someone has a lever problem, then it would throb at that place. You would see this with your own eyes. If there is a catch on Nabhi Chakra, or if Nabhi Chakra is affected, when the Kundalini rises below the Nabhi Chakra, then your can experience the pulsation or the palpitation over there. If a person is affected by a demonic catch (Bhoot Baadha) then it will throb over your back. You will be surprised to know that we have created a film on this. Even if the Kundalini rises due to me – no doubt about it- Kundalini rises, but if the Ganesh element is affected then He will pull her down again. If she reaches the top , she will suddenly drop below again. There are many such Gurus, there was one at Pune about whom there are many stories floating around. One does not know what they exactly do. But their specialty is that even if I bring up the Kunadalini and secure her, still they would pull her down. What damage they inflicted on the Ganesh element I don’t know, what they did I am unaware. But what I have observed is that the Kundalini definitely falls down. Even if I bring up the Kundalini 5 times still it fell down. Quite a few times I visited these fake gurus, to see and observe what they were doing, I observed then that they indulge in very dirty and improper deeds. First they damage the Ganesh element by some or the other means . They say that to raise Kundalini they need to put their hand below. Now see. The Ganesh element is sitting there like a small child, to protect the chastity of his mother. And the sex drive gets a boost from the Ganesh element . So the people who say that they will awaken Kundalini by doing sex, they started saying Ganesh had an illicit relation with his mother means with Kundalini. He is sitting there . Anyone who pursues that path , he immediately hits back. Many people came to me who said,’ Mataji, Our Kundalini is awakened’. I Said,’ Is that so? What is happening? ‘ ‘ Now when I am sitting in front of you, such and such thing happened.’ Said,’ why did this happen to you. Cool breeze must flow through the hands if Kundalini is awakened.’ But the person had big boils on his neck and water was oozing through it. Some people have a lot of heat in their bodies. A person at Delhi sent me telegrams three times,’ Mataji, my Kundalini has awakened, what should I do?’ That time I was at Mumbai. I said , send him a telegram and call him. But I started from Delhi and he reached there. My sister in law said that he was running here and there as if he is bitten by thousands of ants or scorpions. Just kept on running from here to there. At Delhi, there is one gentleman called Dr Batra. He happened to come for a program just like you people. Those days I used to cure people, now I don’t do that. He said,’Shri Mataji, see me. For one month I have been suffering. I am being bitten by scorpions. My Kundalini has been awakened. People say this and that. ‘ So I said,’ Sit down for 2 minutes’ Still he was impatient, so I went to him and calmed him down in 5 minutes. The reason was mother earth. He was standing on the ground. ‘ You sat down on the ground, I am very happy. Today is an absolutely proper coincidence.’ The mother earth sucked out all his heat. Now how will you tell mother earth, ‘O mother earth, you suck all my heat’. She will not suck it out, but she sucks it for a Sahaja Yogi. The reason is that once the Ganesh element is awakened in you, and as the same element is present in the earth, the earth is operational on the same element, she sucks it. That is why one should keep this element awakened in us, the human should preserve the chastity. Not only this, but in Sahaja Yoga, the Sahaja Yogi , who is Chastity personified – for him, Ganesha is the one who propels him forward. In that world , the one who rules , – after paying obeisance three times to that Shri Ganesha - one should try to imbibe the purity like HIM in oneself.. Now the things that should not be told but which the people are talking about, about which a lot has been said - in this way many tantriks( false gurus) have invaded our country While their invasion is not political still it is so immoral and deadly that we are suffering from their deeds. These tantriks have created this filth in the 6th century. The reasons for that are , the monarchs of those times were vagabonds who lived off on people’s money- The abundance of money results into this. First spoil the Ganesh element, if money is in abundance then it persecutes the Ganesh element, go after young girls, go after small naïve girls – this spreads due to this. What do these people do? They do the same thing – exploit naivety wherever it is seen, whenever a naïve person is seen, persecute him. Destroy ones own naivety. For these vagabonds and fun loving people, the monarchs and kings , means the kings and monarchs of those days lead a self indulgent life and their ministers who were mostly Jain people. Now these Jain people at one point developed so much orthodox perspective , so much religious extremism – I think none of the Indian religions had this. They became very orthodox people. Other religions there is some balancing. But Jain people became very orthodox . I asked one Jain person. A very renowned Jain saint had been to my place. I said, ‘ Mahavira had asked you’ll to contemplate, and you folks built temples and shaved off your heads , roamed around naked – what is this all about. Why do you do these things. What is the need of this? First of all, contemplate and be one with God Almighty. ‘ They said that,’ we do this as after doing meditation etc. we achieve paranormal powers. When we got these powers , we used to shout like ghosts, used to do this and that.’ ‘Then keep doing it, these things will wear off.’ That time it may have happened, due to practicing religious extremism. But now a stage has come that you should sit for meditation and get your self realization. But amongst us, still there are these people. Many Jain people have come in Sahaja Yoga. At Nagar many people have got their self realization due to this. Because they realized that by doing these frivolous deeds, we have not reached the God Almighty. Many such people who have tried very hard but could not be one with God Almighty, so to explore something new, they came to Sahaja Yoga and have achieved their self realization. What I mean to say is that we too have religious orthodoxy. We too have our share of inflexible rules. Maharshtra has lot of this stuff. Means one should wash hands 63 times in the morning, don’t know who told this. But if the lady washes her hand 62 times and not 63 , she will not be able to sleep at night. Must prepare so many wicks, do this thing for so many times. But they do not do what needs to be done. Means while making wicks, bad mouth the daughterin law or daughter. We have such things here. Hence what I mean is Sahaja Yoga will not be achieved by everyone. It is not for any Tom, Dick and Harry. Shri Ramdas has explained the background for our work. If you have read “Dasbodh”( religious treatise by Shri Samartha Ramdas, A Marathi Saint) then we do not have to tell you anything. He has explained everything and that is the truth. A person who has the caliber and who is at that level, only that person can achieve Sahaja Yoga. Not everybody. It happens, you will get vibrations, you get realization but again slide back to original state. We have given vibrations to thousands of people. In this Mumbai city itself at least ten thousand people must have been given vibrations. But how many of these really progressed. To say, very few. Because they look in the opposite direction. There is this guru who respects me also. He was telling me that,’ donkeys should be given donkey work. Why do you keep on giving realization.? What is the need?’ I said,’ there is a dire need, This is the time for that. If realization does not happen now, then this is the last judgment. It will not work like this. Now write your own judgment. Whatever happens after this, whatever loss and profit that will happen, eleven rudras(Ekadash Rudra) will come in this. Eleven Rudras. Only one Rudra is sufficient to destroy the whole world. But when eleven Rudras come, you cannot imagine. They will obliterate everything. Before this, for people whose judgment has to be done that judgment should be done now by Sahaj Yoga and people should accept it. But for most of the people , they get berserk over small small things and they leave Sahaja Yoga . If I would have charged money and created some commotion and a grand show, then people would have liked it more. If I ask them tell me first how much money will you give me, How much money do you have to give – means if you cajole the ego of a person, he is ready to come. But in Sahaja Yoga it is to be said that all this is done by God Almighty, it happens easily. Just like a flower transforms into a fruit, similarly it will happen for you also. And just as you have nose, eyes, mouth and this human form, similarly God Almighty will give you a super human form. It is a gift, it is a boon from the God Almighty. You cannot do anything about it. Human is not ready to accept this stance. He has developed so much ego, he thinks that until he stands on his head for 10 days, he will not get anything. First you should understand that the God Almighty has done such infinite things which we cannot do, we cannot do any live work, en how will we become a super human. He only will do that. But only thing is after getting self realization only in Human form one understands that he has achieved self realisation. This the first thing. Second, with the power a person gets, he can make others achieve their self realization. This power flows through him. This way many people can get their realization. Means he will attain divinity. He himself will come into divinity. There are many such people, who were followers of great gurus, but I have not seen divinity in any of their disciples. There is no transformation that’s taken place in them. They are where they were. Even if it happens, due to fear or faithfulness but it has not happened from the inside. That event has not taken place. That transformation has not happened within. If one wants to convert this equipment into a radio or to make a fruit out of a flower means the whole thing changes. Nobody has reached this state. So in summary, first of all we should protect our Ganesh element. Nowdays there are different types of advertisements and the advertisements relate to the so called advancement or development in western countries. They have gone to the pits, have been completely destroyed. That’s why some are in a sad dilemma and are planning day and night as to which method to use to commit suicide. This is their state. Hence you should think before you pursue that path that why we are doing all this, there has to be a purpose behind it. We are in human state. That should also have some meaning. There is no point in doing the same things again and again. Similarly some people have deserted the God Almighty and some are stuck only to the name of god. Right in the morning , light a lamp in front of the deity, ring a bell and that’s it. This way or the way I mentioned about some people’s religious extremism of washing hands 63 times, people who are such religious extremists should understand that they will not connect to the god almighty by doing such futile things. God is within us, we should awaken Him. We should keep him awakened and we should awaken HIM in others. This is the message of Sahaja Yoga. So Kundalini is the Mother and Shri Ganesh is her creation, Shri Ganesh is her child. Kundalini within us moves on Shri Ganesha’ hand. You must have seen what is in Shri Ganesha’s hand. Similarly there is a snake tied around his belly or sometimes in his hand….Means Ganesha has only four hands but actually he has infinite hands. Of these they show a snake in one hand. That is the Kundalini. Similarly our Sahaja Yogis who get their self realization, it is surprising that Kundalini rises on their hands. When they raise their hand , the Kundalini rises up. A small Sahaja Yogi child can raise his Kundalini. Kids of 2 years, kids of 5-6 months can also tell the position of your Kundalini. ‘My Grand daughter was of 6 months when Shri Modi had come to my place. And his agnya chakra had a catch. While speaking, she did not understand when she was crawling she brought the kum kum container and applied kum kum to his fore head and released his agnya chakra’s catch. She keeps on doing such thing. I have seen the same thing in my Sahaja Yogis’ small kids. They are born as realized souls. Right from their birth. Means what a great thing the god almighty has started now. Souls who are realized from birth itself are coming in this world. For that no need to take sannyas( renounce world). People who feel the necessity of taking sannyas, they have not been able to get their self realization. After being self realized, you get detached from within. Once you get detached from within, you need not take the sannyas outwardly. Means take sannyas, advertise it to the world that one has taken sannyas but if nothing has happened from within then what the need to advertise? If you are a male, then seeing the face itself people can say if he is a male or female. Do you advertise it that you are a male or a female? It is something like that. If you become a sannyasi by heart then you are an ascetic from within. What ever it may be at the outside but you are a sannyasi on the inside. And you can easily reach this state in Sahaja Yoga. There is no need to take sannyas or anything. No need to relinquish the world for that. The state of Shri Shankar or the state that Shri Shankar has attained that He too needed the creation of Ganesha similarly you too will have to create Shri Ganesh. They say that India has a large population, it is well accepted that India has a large population, where else to increase the population? England has a negative growth, Germany too has a minus growth, America has a minus growth because any wise person will not take birth there. All of them will come at our place only. There is a statistics indicating that every week in England , parents kill two children. If that is the statistics then which wise person will take birth there. That is why all of them take birth here. We are tolerating the stupidity of these people and we are being blamed. These children will not take birth elsewhere as the condition of children is so deplorable at other places. Children are appreciated only in our country. Today a small child approached me, he knows Marathi Language and he asked what do they call a small kid’s playful running(Dududu) around in English? How will they have one, I said. Do they even see small kids running around? We have some playful terms (Dududu) for a small child’s running around which denotes affection for kids. We should read the description Shri Krishna or read description of Shri Rama from their childhood, you would simply appreciate it. You will not find the childhood description of Jesus Christ anywhere. Only our Rev. Tilak has coined some poems depicting how He used ‘ to put his small fingers in his mouth and utter some sweet things’ describing Jesus Christ as a small child. This is because he has the Indian ethos in his heart and hence he described how Christ’s childhood would have been. But you will not have an English word describing the playful running of a small child. I was also in a dilemma as to how to explain that small kid because the body expressions or the body gestures of a small child or the term used to describe the growth in the chubbiness of a child there is no equivalent in English language. On the contrary they say that kids should not be chubby , they should be thin. because they idolize the actors and actresses. This way by creating new concepts they have taken away the innocence and that we should not do. There is nothing that we can learn from them. You will be surprised to know that soon after the child is born- I also felt the same as what you felt - , Whenever a small child is born we take so much care but these people put him in a different room after putting on nappies etc. And they keep dogs and cats in their bedroom. I could not understand why this is so. They informed that because it disturbs them at the night. I asked them why have you taken birth in this world? When my daughters and their children were to visit us, my husband’s secretary who was a elderly lady who did not have any children – she said to me,you must be upset. I said why should I be upset. I am very happy that the kids are coming. She said that your house would get untidy. I said Goodness gracious. We will not even have such thoughts coming to us. This is a complete ego orientation . Means if you have not paid attention to the Ganesh element then you become ego oriented. One develops a terrible ego. An egotist person will always have a conflict with the Ganesh element. We have seen that all the great leaders- if you see- their have zero character. The reason for it - Once a person develops ego, it grows on the right side, and due to growth on the right side the ego keeps on increasing. And due to this ego whether it is Shri Ganesh or the Ganesh element, or the virtuosity , nothing counts. I am the only one that matters is the way he thinks and he loses the Ganesh element in him. But another example of this is – the people who take Sannyas, who stay unmarried, stay away from the house and do not stay in touch with others is a similar type of people. If the Ganesh element is awakened in us ,then we can get connected to God Almighty even by living a family life And even if you want divinity you have to be in this world. If you stick to intense and difficult renunciation you may get the title of ‘Brahmarshi’. But I feel that there are some accomplished Bramharshis – I know a lot of them but they are not prepared to do anything now. They do not have the earnest desire and they are not ready to take so much effort. I sometimes feel sad, their opinion is that whosoever are their devotees – they are not yet ready. If we are ready to take effort then we can prepare them and get them ahead . Quite a few times I feel that it will be good if all these people come forward and helped me. They revere me a lot. There is a gentleman near Calcutta who is an accomplished person and he told an American about me ,’ Now that Mataji has arrived , we are observing her work. We also want to contribute to this work. We also want to do this work and destroying the demons etc.- that we are accomplishing by our mental prowess. ‘ But when I asked the American ,’ why don’t you take him to America?’ He went to America and came back in 5 days flat and said to me,’ I do not wish to meet such people. They are very dirty people. ‘ This is because he is not used to people yet. One could say- He cannot tolerate too many people around him as he has been staying away from people. Now what happened due to this is that if you come across a saint or a hermit, you would fall at his feet, you would bestow your faith in him – due to this you will no doubt improve your state but how will you attain self realization? Because to achieve that you need to put your hands in the filth. If you wish to improve your child, need to bring up your child then the mother has to deal with filth. If she hates the filth then who will clean the child? And hence it is the work of a mother only. And I am doing the work of a Mother in Sahaja Yoga. You all can bathe in it, take pleasure out of it – this is the desire of a Mother. The only wish a mother has is that whatever power she has ….. One may be divine or whatever – you can be so in your own home. What is your use to us? You may be so called Bhagwan etc. what is his use to us ? Until the common folks benefit from it, until the common folks can get something out of him until their children get their powers – what is the use of such a mother? It is better not to be such a mother than to be one. So the person whom you consider to be a guru or your mother , consider elder to yourself, if he has not understood himself then what ideal can you derive from him? In Sahaja Yoga you can derive the meaning of ‘Swa” . Meaning of Swa’- means you can relate to the relevance of your atma. This I would explain to you in my next lecture. At the moment I have explained about the Ganesh element. To tell you, I have written about 50 pages on this. On the Mooladhar Chakra. How the position of Ganesha is on the Mooladhar chakra , how the Kundalini makes sounds in that, and how the Kundalini moves. How there are different facets to the petals and how they exist within the petals and how they suck in etc…lot of such things in that. And you must get all that knowledge and you WILL get it and I will not hide anything about it. I am ready to explain everything to you. but you will have to put all the efforts after realization. If you don’t work hard you won’t get any benefit. Now today’s program is about awakening the Kundalini. I think you should work hard for this. Now people have a query as to what should be done in the pooja. ‘ Shri Mataji, what should be done on the occasion of Shri Ganesha pooja? ‘ I have the knowledge beyond the obvious that you cannot see, what Nanak has called as ‘ALAKH” ( which cannot be seen or perceived). I see with those eyes. So first of all I want to tell you to examine if you are chaste enough. To take bath etc. is all ok. Even if you don’t do that it is alright. One Muslim too performs the Ganesh Pooja quite well, you will be surprised to know. In Algeria, approximately 500 Muslim young girls and boys have got their self realization. But the main person there is known as Jamel. And he performs the Ganesh Pooja so well, that it is worth seeing. He establishes the Ganesha and he himself performs the pooja. Means in Sahaja Yoga, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, all are included. And moreover it has been shown how their deities are included in Sahaja Yoga. This Ganesh element, when it comes on the Agnya chakra, it took the form of Christ when it came in this world. You would have read in ‘Devi Mahatmya’ , the Bhagwat written by Shri Markandeya. …you could say Markandeya is my most beloved son. Nowadays nobody reads Markandeya, but if you can get it , read the description of Shri Maha Vishnu. He has mentioned that Radha had created her own son by herself. Means just as Parvati created her son, she too had created. But Ganesh element is the base for it. And based on Ganesh Element the son she had created, he came in this world as Christ. Now Christ. Since Radha had created him , he is called Christ in the name of Krishna and since Yashoda is there, hence Yeshu. In this way he has positioned the Ganesh element in the form of Christ. That is why these people who call themselves as Christians they don’t even know that first of all this is the Ganesh element. It is the proliferation of the Ganesh element and how he is going to arrive as eleven Rudras I will be explaining you all later. In summary, after reaching the Agnya Chakra, the axe which Shri Ganesha used to hit everyone has turned into a means to forgive. Forgiveness is the most powerful means of human beings. They don’t need a sword, they do not need anything if they forgive others then they will not have to suffer. That is why today in Sahaja Yoga, when we get a catch on Agnya Chakra we tell people to forgive others and people know how beneficial it is. People following Sahaja Yoga have accepted this and they have seen it because in Sahaja Yoga everything is visible. If you do not forgive your catch on agnya chakra will not get released. You headache will not go, you suffering will not end, your tumor will not decrease. Hence to forgive is a must. Because till the time you compel people, force people they are not prepared to follow. I think that is the main reason for all the diseases because even if you keep on convincing human beings, they use their own reasoning that this may be due to something else, that may have a different cause. This means you have not reached at your inference , your connection has not yet been established, so get it established. First of all , get your self realization. That is what I want to tell. Do not find a way out of that. It cannot happen due to thinking , due to debating or by reading books , it should happen from within. It must happen. This event must take place. Sometimes there are such super idiots especially in the cities, not in the villages. They say ,’ It did not happen to us. See, we are not affected?’ ‘ Means you are very cool. What else to say?’. If you did not get to experience that, it means you are having some problem with you. It could be physical, mental or intellectual. Remove it. It is not good. It must happen. Only after that you would get happiness. If you think like that , everything will become alright. So out of this , the ego portion that you need to offer at the feet of Shri Ganesha. If you do all this today then half of my task will be accomplished. Need to request Ganesha about your ego – somehow please take away our ego – if you say this and offer your ego to HIM – then it will make me very happy. Because I profess that everyone should have a son like Shri Ganesha and by merely uttering his name my entire body gets divine vibrations. After paying my respects to such beautiful Ganesha, I conclude my speech. Do you have any questions? You should have questions. I am not a political leader. And I have not come to you for an election that please offer me votes etc.. Need to see if you vote yourself. To tell you in English – Nothing is on sale here so don’t come with an attitude of a purchaser, but it is something to be gifted. Ok, ask me a question. Ask questions. Now we know that our Sahaja Yogis have vibrations flowing through their hands so it will also flow through your hands. And I am definitely going to tell about what Shri Shankaracharya has written regarding the divine vibrations etc. But when these vibrations flow and then how to harness them….(Mataji talking to people – please sit down I will explain a little. Are you in a hurry? Yes, yes. I am going to explain tomorrow. But don’t come only to listen. Please come to take away something. I am not giving a religious discourse. Come to take something. And bring your home folks also. Please don’t just wait. Tomorrow bring all of them and get your self realization. Please sit and be patient. It cannot happen in a hurry.) A couple of days back one doctor had come He said he came here as it was on the way of his visit. I told him it will be good if he proceeds on his visit. So you need to be patient. We don’t have time for God Almighty. He has given everything to us for that time only. He has created the universe and filled it with so much science. Science is given by God Almighty only for contemplation and this is not understood by the humans.

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Advice (Hindi) "Shri Kundalini Shakti and Shri Jesus Christ". Hinduja Auditorium, Bombay (India), 27 September 1979. The subject "Shri Kundalini Shakti and Shri Jesus Christ" is very attractive and interesting. It is altogether a new subject for the common people because nobody has at any time before, attempted to establish any connection between Jesus Christ and Shri Kundalini Shakti. On the Virata tree of religion, saints of various kinds bloomed as flowers in many countries and languages. It is only the Virata who can know the relation inter-se amongst these beautiful flowers. Wherever they went, these flowers spread the sweet fragrance of religion. But even the people surrounding these saints could not grasp the significance of that fragrance. It is therefore, futile to expect the common people to understand the relation inter-se between a saint and the Adi-Shakti, the primordial Mother. You would be able to experience or understand my view-point if you could attain the plane from which I am talking to you. Because at present, you do not have the necessary equipment to comprehend whether or not what I am telling you is the truth. In other words, you are not yet equipped to understand what the truth is. Until you are able to understand the meaning of the Self, the physical body would remain imperfect and would be unable to verify the truth. But once the physical instrument is connected with truth, you are able to verify the Truth. It follows therefore, that first you have to accept Sahaja Yoga and get Self-realization. After Self realization, the vibrations of Chaitanya begins to flow from your hands. If a particular matter is true, then waves of cool vibrations would start flowing into the palms, but if the same be untrue, hot vibrations would be felt. In this manner, you are able to know as to whether any particular matter is true or not. Whatever the Christians know about Lord Jesus Christ is on account of the Bible. This book is very enigmatical. It is so much deep and profound that many persons have not been able to understand the hidden meaning of the Truth embodied therein. The Bible says, "I will come to thee as tongues of flames". Israeli people explained this to mean that, "When the Lord would incarnate, He would be emitting flames of fire and therefore, they would not be able to witness Him". The real meaning of this is that, "You would witness Me in the Sahasrara Chakra." You will find many references to the Kundalini Shakti and Sahasrara in the Bible, but only a brief reference is possible here. Jesus Christ has said that, "Those who are not against Me, are with Me". It means, "The persons who are not against Me, belong to Me." If the Christians are asked to identify these persons, they have no knowledge about them . Two great powers are combined in Jesus Christ. The first power is that of Shri Ganesha, who is recognised as his original power, and the other is that of Shri Kartikeya. Because of this, the incarnation of Jesus Christ is of complete "Brahman Tattva" or "Aumkar." Shri Krishna, He being the father of Jesus Christ, bestowed a number of boons on Jesus Christ prior to his birth. One of these boons was that, "You [Jesus Christ] would dwell on a plane higher than that of mine." This could be explained to mean, that while the plane of Shri Krishna is the Vishuddhi Chakra, located at the base of our neck, the plane of Jesus is Agnya Chakra, which is located at the junction of the optic thalamus [pineal and pituitary glands]. The second boon granted by Shri Krishna was that, "You [Christ] would be the support of the whole universe." The third boon was that, "You would be the first to receive one-sixteenth part of all the offerings made to Me in puja." In this way, after bestowing a number of boons, Shri Krishna permitted Shri Jesus Christ to incarnate on the earth. You would understand these things better, if you read Markandeya Purana. Shri Markandeya, the author of the Purana has beautifully explained a number of such subtler points. In the same Purana, there is a graphic description of Shri Mahavishnu. If you would listen to this description while in meditation, you would notice that the description is of Jesus Christ only. Now, if You study the etymology of the word, 'Christ', you would know that the word has originated from a corrupted form of word, 'Krishna'. As a matter of fact, the father of Jesus Christ is Shri Krishna. That is why He is called 'Christ'. The manner in which his name 'Jesus' originated is also very interesting. The mother of Shri Krishna, Shri Yashoda Mata, was addressed as 'Yesu'. Even today, we notice that in Northern India somebody named 'Yeshu' is not addressed as such but as 'Jesu'. It is therefore, clear that from 'Yashoda' came the word 'Yeshu' and then further became the word 'Jesu' and finally the name 'Jesus Christ'. Whenever, Jesus Christ told stories about His Father, He was actually speaking about Shri Krishna, He was talking about Virata. Although, Shri Krishna did not reincarnate during the period when Jesus Christ lived on the Earth, His teachings centred round the theme as to how the seekers should know the Virata Purusha or God Almighty. The Mother of Jesus Christ was the Goddess Maha Lakshmi Herself. Mother Mary is none other than the Goddess Maha Lakshmi. She is the Adi Shakti, the Primordial Mother. Therefore, Jesus Christ used to address His Mother as the "Holy Ghost". Jesus Christ possesses all powers of Ekadasha Rudras, that is eleven powers of destruction. These powers have their centres located around the cranium of our head. When the incarnation of Kalki takes place, all these eleven powers perform the work of destruction. Out of these eleven powers one is that of Shri Hanumana, the other is of Shri Bhairava. In the Bible, these two powers are named as Saint Gabriel and Saint Michael respectively. After Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga one can awaken these powers by addressing them in Sanskrit, Marathi or even in English. The Nadi on our right side, which is known as 'Pingala-Nadi', is activated by the power of Shri Hanumana. Whenever, any sort of pressure or constriction develops inside this Nadi, it is instantly relieved by Chanting the mantra of Shri Hanumana. Similarly, even by chanting the name of Saint Michael one would experience relief in the Ida-Nadi. Ida-Nadi is on our left side and and manifests the power of Saint Michael or Shri Bhairava. Obviously, chanting the Mantra of their names relieves any trouble or constriction on the Ida Nadi. The aforesaid matters can be verified by any person after Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga. The purpose why I am telling you all this, is to impress upon you that it is absurd to quarrel against yourselves after grouping as Hindus or Muslims or Christians. If you could see the principle behind all this, you would realise that all these saints are like many flowers on the same tree of religion and are connected with each other because of the one and the same power. Perhaps, you would be surprised to know that in Sahaja Yoga, the awakening of the Kundalini very much depends on the condition of the Agnya Chakra of the seeker. In the present age, many persons are found with highly inflated ego [Ahamkara]. That is so, because most of them lead an extremely egocentric life. It is on account of the egoistic attitude, that man fails from his true religion. Man is misled, and therefore remains continuously busy working, thinking, etc., which are complementary to the growth of the ego. Jesus Christ is of great help for securing freedom from the ego. As Paigambar [prophet] Mohammad wrote about awakening of the Kundalini and the ways of protecting oneself from wicked [satanic] powers. So also Jesus Christ told in very lucid manner about the powers in us as well as the weapons. The first among these weapons is "forgiveness". The one which operates in the "Proksha" form in Shri Ganesha principle, manifests itself in the form of forgiveness in human principle. In fact, forgiveness is a very powerful weapon. It protects man against the ego. If somebody hurts you or puts you in trouble or insults you, then your mind is engrossed in contemplating on these matters and you get disturbed. You continue to think all the time about such a man, and by repeated remembrance of these events you put yourself in trouble. To overcome such troubles, we advise every such person to forgive one and all. Forgiveness is thus a very powerful weapon we have received from Jesus Christ. It enables one to get rid of troubles caused by others. I have told you earlier that Jesus Christ possessed a number of powers and that He was endowed with the powers of Ekadasha Rudras. Then how is it that He was crucified and could not save Himself from this dreadful event? Jesus Christ, with His several powers, could have completely annihilated His opponents in a moment. His Mother Mary was none else but Adi Shakti, the Primordial Mother Herself. She also could not bear the atrocities on Her son. And yet it happened. Perhaps God desired to stage a drama. Really speaking, Jesus Christ was beyond happiness or sorrow and He had to enact the drama in perfect and faultless manner. How foolish were those who crucified Him! Jesus Christ rode on a donkey so that foolishness among the people of those days could be eradicated. If you suffer from headache and you pray to Jesus Christ to forgive all those who have put you in trouble, you will be cured of your headache without the aid of any medicines. However, before such a thing can happen, you have to awaken your Kundalini by accepting Sahaja Yoga, and get Self-realization. The reason is that the Agnya Chakra, which is the Jesus principle in you, becomes active only after awakening of the Kundalini in Sahaja Yoga and not otherwise. Agnya Chakra is very subtle. The physicians are also unable to notice it. There is a very subtle door in this Chakra. That is why Jesus Christ said, "I am the door". Jesus Christ incarnated on this earth for facilitating the passage through this door, and He Himself was the first to pass through it. People crucified Jesus Christ because of their ego. They could not conceive of an idea that some human being can appear on the earth as an incarnation of God Their intellectual pride could not accept this idea and they rejected the Truth because of the ego. What was the bad deed for which Jesus was crucified ? He had on the contrary cured many people of their ailments. He preached the Truth and taught many good things to the people. He showed them the way to live a very cultured life. He always preached Love. In spite of this, the people tortured Him. But they would bow before those who teach filthy and rotten things and make a fool of them. What a height of stupidity ! These days any Tom, Dick or Harry becomes a Guru, robs the people, squeezes money from them. Such persons are held in high esteem. On the contrary if a good person, who stands by the Truth, wishes to show the true path, the people not only won't listen to him but assault him. To educate such very stupid people God Almighty sent His beloved Son, Jesus Christ, on this earth. But the people crucified Him. They have been, ever since repeatedly doing the same thing. If you read, you will find that whenever God incarnated, or any Sage or Saint took birth on this earth, the people have harmed them and tortured them. Instead of learning from them, they behaved with them stupidly. We will notice the same story about Shri Gyaneshwara and Shri Tukarama, the great saints of Maharashtra. Similar treatment was meted out to Guru Nanaka and prophet Mohammad. Man always runs away from the Truth and tries to embrace the untruth. Whenever there is an incarnation of God, or a Saint is born, and you ask a question whether such a person is an incarnation or whether he is a pious Saint, a Sahaja Yogi would immediately feet the cool breeze on his palm, if the answer is in affirmative. The past events in one's life, result in strengthening the ego. For instance one boasts that he is a disciple of such and such person etc. Man is unaware of the factual evidence facing him. Obviously due to the strengthening of ego, he loses sight of the real meaning of the Self [Sva]. It is therefore necessary to understand the meaning of the "SELF". Suppose the river Ganges is flowing from a particular place, and you go at some other place and say that Ganges is flowing from that place, and that you are actually sitting on the Ganges, this will be ridiculous. Therefore, accept only that which is factually or materially present before you. In the case of Jesus Christ, the circumstances were similar. Jesus Christ tried to awaken the Kundalini, but with great difficulty could give Realization to some twenty one persons. But in Sahaja Yoga, thousands have got realization. Christ could have given Realization to many more but His disciples thought that He could only cure sick persons and that there was no other significance of Realization to them. On many occasions Jesus Christ demonstrated walking on the surface of water. This could be because He Himself was Pranava [Omkara]. In spite of all this, people could not understand that Christ was the son of God. In Sahaja Yoga, a number of seekers have got Self-realisation and got rid of the diseases. Man should, therefore, understand that the ego is very subtle. Another thing I want to tell you, is about fighting with your ego . That is not correct thing to do. The ego is not in any way effected by your fighting with it. It should get absorbed in your own Self. When your attention is focused on the Kundalini, and it pierces your Brahmarandhra, and therefore merges with Virata, it is at this stage that ego is absorbed. The real Ego is the Ego of the VIRATA SHAKTI. In fact VIRATA is the real Ego. You cannot free yourself from the ego. What do you do? That which I do is Ego [Aham Karoti, Sah Ahamkara]. You just ask yourself as to what is it that you actually do? You can do nothing except changing the form of dead matter. Can you transform a flower into a fruit? You are endowed with the nose, the face, the beautiful human body, How did this happen? We achieved this human form from amoeba. How could this have happened? It is undoubtedly the grace of God Almighty which enabled us to have this beautiful human form. Can we repay Him for this? Can you do anything which is similar? After man succeeded in producing a test tube baby, his ego swelled considerably. Really speaking here also man did not create any living organism. As in the case of crossbreeding of two plants, so it has been done here by uniting two living human cells. But how much it has inflated the ego balloon! Then, man reached the moon, how much further inflation of his ego took place! What is our ego in comparison to His. Who created the sun, the moon, the stars and the whole universe? In fact our ego is false. !t is fake. The true Ego is the Ego of the Virata Purusha. Because it is the Virata that is doing everything. You should know that it is the Virata Purusha who alone is doing everything. Therefore, let all things be done by the Virata. You are just like a machine. Suppose I am speaking before a microphone, and My voice is carried to you through the medium of the microphone, then the microphone is only a sakshi or a witness. It is I who is doing the speaking and the power is flowing through the microphone. In the same way, you are simply an instrument of God Almighty. The Virata has made you. So, let the power of Virata flow through you and understand the meaning of Self. In order to explain the meaning of the Self, Jesus Christ incarnated on this earth with His seat in the Agnya Chakra. Agnya Chakra is very complex, and is the seat of the subtle principle of Omkara or Pranava. In fact Jesus Christ is the Omkara, the Pranava. The connection between the Kundalini and Jesus Christ is the same as the one that exists between the moon and the moonlight or the sun and the sunlight. The Kundalini, that is Mother Gauri, created Shri Ganesha by Her willpower, tapasya and noble deeds. It was when Shri Ganesha prepared Himself for incarnation that Jesus Christ was born. There are many things in this world in respect of which man has not been able to find any satisfactory explanation. Have you ever considered how a seed sprouts? How you breathe? How you make movements? Where from the power in your brain comes? How you came into this world? There are many such things. Can any man satisfactorily explain these things? We say that earth has gravitational force. But from where this force came? A number of things need unfoldment. This is because you are under the influence of an illusion. You have yet to come out of that illusion. Your illusion has to be blown up, otherwise it would grow from strength to strength. For spiritual evolution of man, it is necessary to demolish his illusion. At every stage of evolution, the incarnations have appeared. All of you know that Shri Vishnu incarnated as Shri Rama, and wandered in the forests. He staged a beautiful drama to demonstrate the life of an ideal king. Similar was the life of Shri Krishna and the life of Jesus Christ. When we study the life of Jesus Christ, one thing is noticed prominently, that is the stupidity of the people of that time. Because of that stupidity this magnificent personality was crucified. And what height of stupidity! When the people were asked to express their opinion as to whether a thief or Jesus be released, the Jews demanded that the thief be released and Jesus Christ crucified. We know the state of these people today! The sin committed by them will not be washed away in many, many lives. And even now these persons are enveloped in their ego. They think that they have done a virtuous deed. Even now, if these people seek pardon of God, saying that, "Oh God! Pardon us for crucifying your sacred principle. Forgive us for destroying your sacred principle", God will immediately forgive hem. But man finds it very difficult to apologise. He commits a number of evil deeds. How many persons can be found in the world who have worshipped the Saints? Take the instance of Shri Kabir or Guru Nanaka. The people have persecuted them at every step. In this world the people have not given anything to the saints except harm and torture. But I tell you now, that circumstances have changed. The Satya Yuga has commenced. You may try, but now you would not succeed in persecuting or torturing any saint. This is due to Jesus Christ Himself. For Jesus Christ has set in motion a mighty power in this world which would make such wicked people suffer. They would be punished. The Ekadasha Rudras of Jesus Christ are all in readiness to strike. Those who would now torture any saint, would be completely ruined. It is a great sin to torture any saint. You try to understand this from the example of Jesus Christ. Do not commit such stupidity hereafter, otherwise you may get completely ruined. If one great lesson is to be learnt from the life of Jesus, then that is that you have to remain contented in the state in which the Almighty has placed you. Jesus did not change His mission, He did not separate Himself from the society, considering Himself to be a Sanyasi. On the contrary on occasions He attended certain marriage ceremonies and made the arrangements. The Bible says that at one marriage occasion He transformed drinking water into fresh grape Juice. Now, man has picked up this one incident to suggest that since Jesus Christ made wine out of water, He used to drink wine. In Hebrew language you would notice that the word 'wine' means 'pure juice of fresh grapes'. It does not mean 'alcohol'. Jesus Christ incarnated to open the Agnya Chakra and to dissolve our ego. My job is to awaken your Kundalini power so that it could pierce your Sahasrara Chakra. This work is of collective nature; I have therefore to do it. In the case of one and all, I want to tell you about Jesus Christ, Guru Nanaka, King Janaka and a number of other incarnations and the way they relate with the collectivity. Similarly, I wish to talk to you about incarnations of Shri Rama, Shri Krishna etc., and also about Shri Shiva, because all the powers of these Gods and Deities are in us. Now, the time has come for collective consciousness to manifest. In this Kali Yuga, all those who are seeking God shall find Him and millions of people will be able to do so. Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgement. This is described in the Bible. You are judged only after you come to Sahaja Yoga. For that purpose you however, have to surrender yourself completely after coming to Sahaja Yoga. After getting that, which means everything, it is important to dwell in it, to be settled and stabilised in it. Many people ask Me, "Mataji, when would we be stable?" The answer is very simple. Suppose you are sailing in a boat. Then you know when the boat becomes stable. So also while riding a bicycle, you understand that when you do not wobble, you know you are in balance and stable. So also in Sahaja Yoga our stability is understood. The judgement in this matter is to be made by the individual himself. It is only when you stabilise in Sahaja Yoga, that the state of thoughtless awareness is established. So long as the Kundalini power does not pass through the Agnya Chakra, the stage of thoughtless awareness is not reached. This is the first step in the way of thoughtless awareness of the seeker. As soon as the Kundalini crosses the Agnya Chakra, the thoughtless awareness is established. It is the power of Jesus Christ which is instrumental in opening the subtle door located above the Agnya Chakra. For that purpose you are to recite the Lord's Prayer composed by Jesus Christ. After crossing this door, the Kundalini power enters the limbic area of the brain. It is after the Kundalini enters this area, which is also termed as the Kingdom of God, that the state of thoughtless awareness is established. in the limbic area of the brain there are Chakras which activate the seven main Chakras and also the secondary Chakras in the body. Now, let us consider the reasons why the .Agnya Chakra is spoiled. One of the main reasons of this deterioration are your eyes. You should take great care of the eyes, as they are very important. Then the Agnya Chakra is also spoiled on account of bowing before or touching one's head at the feet of an unauthorised Guru. That is why Jesus Christ has told not to bow one's head before every person or place, because by doing so, you unknowingly lose everything whatever you have gained, You should bow your head only before an authorised person, that is the one who is an incarnation of God. Do not bow before any wrong place. This is very important. If you bow your head before a wrong person or place, your Agnya Chakra will get constricted. in Sahaja Yoga, I have noticed that nowadays, many persons have spoiled their Agnya Chakras. The reason is that these people follow a wrong Guru or bow before or touch their heads at wrong places. Many of the eye-diseases are caused due to such wrong practices. In order to keep the Agnya Chakra in proper order, one should always read the scriptures and the sacred texts. One should never read unholy literature. Many people may say, "What does that matter? On account of our profession, we have to do certain things which may not be strictly proper." But then, by doing such unholy activities the eyes get spoiled. I never could understand, as to why people are bent upon doing wrong deeds. Even by looking at any unchaste and filthy man the Agnya Chakra may get constricted. Jesus Christ firmly told, "Thou shall not commit adultery." But I tell you, "Thou shall not have adulterous eyes." Thus, it again comes to the eyes. If your eyes are unholy, you have eye troubles and your eyes get weakened. This does not mean that if you have to use spectacles, you become an unholy or improper person. it is the law of life that you have to use spectacles at an advanced age. The eyes are spoiled because you do not keep them steady, and are always moving them from one place to another. So also the attention of some people is constantly shifting from one object to another. These people are not even aware that such action spoils the eyes. The other reason of deterioration of the Agnya Chakra lies in the manner in which you work. If you overwork then you become work-conscious. The work that you are doing may be good, but even then, if it is beyond the normal level, be it over-reading, overstitching or over-thinking, it will spoil the Agnya Chakra. The reason is that while you overwork, you forget God. During the course of such work, God consciousness does not stabilise in you. The Kundalini is the Truth. It is sacred. There is no hypocrisy in it. It is not some thing which can be purchased in a shop. This is the absolute Truth. As long as you cannot recognise the Truth by following vama marg or the wrong path. When you will merge into the Truth, when you will get absorbed in it, only then you would understand that you are but an instrument of God Almighty, the Holy Father, that you are the instrument through which the power of God flows and that you are the instrument of the same power of love of God, which pervades the whole universe and directs all movement therein. This power is made available to you only because of Jesus Christ, through His crucifixion, What a great sacrifice on the part of Christ! It is due to Him that our Agnya Chakra has opened. If the Agnya Chakra of any person does not open, Kundalini would not rise, because the Mooladhara Chakra would also remain constricted till the Agnya Chakra remains constricted. if a person's Agnya Chakra is too much constricted, the Kundalini power would not rise, whatever efforts you may make. For removing the catch on the Agnya Chakra, we apply Kumkum. This has the effect of reducing the troubles of the ego as also other troubles. When the Kumkum is applied on the forehead above the Agnya Chakra, the Chakra is opened and Kundalini rises. Such is the intimate connection between Jesus Christ and the Kundalini Power. Shri Ganesha, who is stationed at the Mooladhara and protects the modesty of Shri Kundalini, also opens the door at the Agnya Chakra, for the Kundalini to pass through it. What is it that we have to do for maintaining the Agnya Chakra in order? The ways are many. Extremity in every action spoils the society, and therefore excessiveness in any walk of life is not proper and should be avoided. Maintaining the balance enables our eyes to get rest. In Sahaja Yoga, there are a number of remedies for this, but it is absolutely necessary to get Self-realization, first. Then there are many exercises for the eyes which help to keep the Agnya Chakra in a healthy condition. One of these is to watch your own ego and think of yourself that, "Yes Sir, what is the plan and where do you propose to go?" This is how you may address yourself as if you are observing your own image in a mirror. If you do this, the strain on the eyes due to ego will be minimised. The other area which is very important is that part of the back of the head that is exactly behind the forehead. It is in the area which is at a distance of about the thickness of eight fingers [about 5 inches] above the base of the neck, and is known as the area of Shri Maha Ganesha. Shri Ganesha incarnated as Maha Ganesha and the same incarnation is of Jesus Christ. Shri Christ's place is in the centre of the forehead and is surrounded by the kingdom of the Ekadasha Rudras. Jesus Christ is the Master of that kingdom. The Ekadasha Rudras comprise of Shri Maha Ganesha, as also Shri Shadanan [The Lord with six faces]. If you open your eyes, after awakening of the Kundalini, you would experience that your vision is somewhat dimmed or blurred. This is so because when the Kundalini awakens, the pupils of your eyes are dilated and get cooled. This happens on account of the action of para-sympathetic nervous system. Mere thinking of Shri Jesus Christ or contemplating or meditating on Him would relieve Agnya Chakra. At the same time it should be remembered that merely following the conventions or traditions and the lines of succession made after Him, does not mean contemplation of Jesus Christ. Now, I will be telling you some eternal truths. Foremost amongst them is that looking at any women with evil intentions is a great sin. You can realise the extent of the enormous sin that is being committed by several people who stare at women at road sides with evil intentions. Jesus Christ told about this matter some 2000 years ago. But He did not tell it so openly. That is why I have to remind you about this bad habit. Jesus Christ told about this matter and was crucified. Jesus only told that this should not be done because it is filthy. He did not tell about the bad consequences of this action. This habit makes man behave like a beast, as his mind is day and night engrossed in evil thoughts. In our Yoga science it has been advised that the mind should be controlled and kept on the correct path. You should approach God with all attention centred on Him. We are made out of Yoga. Ours is the land of Yoga. We are not egoistic, nor do we want to be so. We desire to live on this land as Yogis. A day will dawn, when the whole world would bow to this country [India] in reverence. Then people would know who Jesus Christ was, and from where He came! He would then be worshipped with due respect on this sacred land. In India, even today, the modesty of women is protected and they are treated with proper respect. All over our country, we regard the mother with great reverence. When the people from other countries would visit this land they would know that it is in this country that real Christianity is practised with great devotion, but not in countries which profess the Christian religion. Jesus Christ said that, "We should be born again." In our country we refer to this process as 'Dwija' or 'born for the second time'. The second birth of any human being is possible only by awakening of Kundalini power. So long as the Kundalini is not awakened, one will not acquire the second birth, and so long as we do not have rebirth we will not be able to recognise God. You read the Bible after realization. You will be surprised to know that Jesus Christ has told nothing but the importance of Sahaja Yoga. Everything has been explained with minor details. Those who have no insight, misrepresent the matters. In reality, 'giving Baptism' means 'the awakening of the Kundalini power' so that after it rises and pierces the Sahasrara, there is the union of the all-pervading power of God and the Kundalini power. This is, in fact, is the final job of the Kundalini power. But the clergy know nothing about this. On the contrary, they are vainly trying to do something which they are not even authorised to do. Otherwise you will find these clergymen involved in all sorts of acts of kindness: kindness to animals, service of the poor, service of patients and so on. You would say, "Mataji, these are all noble deeds." Yes, certainly they are noble deeds but then, it is not the work of God. It is not the work of God to serve the poor by paying them money. The real work of God consists in helping the people to enter the Kingdom of God, and to enable them to unite with God. To make their life full of peace, prosperity, happiness, beauty and grace, is in reality the work of God. God will not catch the feet of the persons who commit theft, or speak lies or wander around because of poverty. To help such persons is an act of kindness and can be done by any person. You would notice some Christians involved in proselytising work. They would go to a remote corner where the Adivasis [Aboriginals] reside. There they would do some work of service to the Adivasis people and then convert all of the Adivasis to Christianity. But one thing should be made clear, that this is not the work of God. The work of God is eternal. In Sahaja Yoga, the patients get healed when their Kundalini is awakened. In Sahaja Yoga, we do not perform any work of pseudo-kindness. If we go to any hospital, we can easily heal 25-30 patients. With the awakening of Kundalini they are automatically healed, because within us is the power of Love. Due to awakening of Kundalini, this power of love starts flowing through their bodies and the same power cures them. Jesus Christ healed many with the same power of love flowing through Him. Jesus Christ did not help anybody with materialistic things. We have to understand these things minutely. Do not repeat the mistakes of the past. You get yourself realized. This is your first duty. After Self-realization your powers are awakened. These awakened power have healed diseases like cancer which are considered as incurable. In fact you can cure any disease. Diseases like cancer can be cured only in Sahaja Yoga. But those who get cured again resume their old paths and habits. They are no more in search of God. Such persons remember God only when they want to be cured of some disease. They do not otherwise think it necessary to seek God. Why then should God care for those who do not desire to be the light of God ? Such persons, whether cured or not, would not spread the light in this world. God would light only such lamps which would spread the light in the whole world. Why will God cure the stupid people ? Why will God help those who do not wish to do His work or those who do not want to seek Him? The work to relieve poverty or social work should not be mistaken for the work of God. Some people degrade the relationship with God to the lowest level. At one place, I observed on an advertisement board: "Shri Sai Nath Bidi". To use the name of God in such filthy manner is an outright insult of Him. By relating every petty and mundane things with God, you commit great sins. You should know this. "Sai Nath Bidi" or "Lakshmi Hing", advertising like this is an insult of God. What do these people gain by doing so? Some people say that, "Mother, this will do us good." What is this good? By that expression they mean they get more money. If a business is carried in this fashion, one or the other day it would surely bring them in trouble. This is the insult of God. Jesus Christ came to save and liberate the whole mankind. He was not the personal possession of any particular sect. He himself was Aumkar incarnate. He was Pranava and the Truth. The bodies of the other incarnations were made up of "earth principle", whereas the body of Jesus was made of the "soul principle". That is why He was resurrected after death. And it was only through the resurrection that His disciples could know that He was no other than God Himself. Then they started beating the trumpets, started reciting His name, started delivering lectures on Him. The most important thing is that God incarnated. If the people should recognise Him and secure spiritual development and bliss, this would enlighten the soul and spread happiness and bliss everywhere. May all of you acquire the Yoga of God. Many many blessings.

Advice (Hindi) "Shri Kundalini Shakti and Shri Jesus Christ". Hinduja Auditorium, Bombay (India), 27 September 1979. The subject "Shri Kundalini Shakti and Shri Jesus Christ" is very attractive and interesting. It is altogether a new subject for the common people because nobody has at any time before, attempted to establish any connection between Jesus Christ and Shri Kundalini Shakti. On the Virata tree of religion, saints of various kinds bloomed as flowers in many countries and languages. It is only the Virata who can know the relation inter-se amongst these beautiful flowers. Wherever they went, these flowers spread the sweet fragrance of religion. But even the people surrounding these saints could not grasp the significance of that fragrance. It is therefore, futile to expect the common people to understand the relation inter-se between a saint and the Adi-Shakti, the primordial Mother. You would be able to experience or understand my view-point if you could attain the plane from which I am talking to you. Because at present, you do not have the necessary equipment to comprehend whether or not what I am telling you is the truth. In other words, you are not yet equipped to understand what the truth is. Until you are able to understand the meaning of the Self, the physical body would remain imperfect and would be unable to verify the truth. But once the physical instrument is connected with truth, you are able to verify the Truth. It follows therefore, that first you have to accept Sahaja Yoga and get Self-realization. After Self realization, the vibrations of Chaitanya begins to flow from your hands. If a particular matter is true, then waves of cool vibrations would start flowing into the palms, but if the same be untrue, hot vibrations would be felt. In this manner, you are able to know as to whether any particular matter is true or not. Whatever the Christians know about Lord Jesus Christ is on account of the Bible. This book is very enigmatical. It is so much deep and profound that many persons have not been able to understand the hidden meaning of the Truth embodied therein. The Bible says, "I will come to thee as tongues of flames". Israeli people explained this to mean that, "When the Lord would incarnate, He would be emitting flames of fire and therefore, they would not be able to witness Him". The real meaning of this is that, "You would witness Me in the Sahasrara Chakra." You will find many references to the Kundalini Shakti and Sahasrara in the Bible, but only a brief reference is possible here. Jesus Christ has said that, "Those who are not against Me, are with Me". It means, "The persons who are not against Me, belong to Me." If the Christians are asked to identify these persons, they have no knowledge about them . Two great powers are combined in Jesus Christ. The first power is that of Shri Ganesha, who is recognised as his original power, and the other is that of Shri Kartikeya. Because of this, the incarnation of Jesus Christ is of complete "Brahman Tattva" or "Aumkar." Shri Krishna, He being the father of Jesus Christ, bestowed a number of boons on Jesus Christ prior to his birth. One of these boons was that, "You [Jesus Christ] would dwell on a plane higher than that of mine." This could be explained to mean, that while the plane of Shri Krishna is the Vishuddhi Chakra, located at the base of our neck, the plane of Jesus is Agnya Chakra, which is located at the junction of the optic thalamus [pineal and pituitary glands]. The second boon granted by Shri Krishna was that, "You [Christ] would be the support of the whole universe." The third boon was that, "You would be the first to receive one-sixteenth part of all the offerings made to Me in puja." In this way, after bestowing a number of boons, Shri Krishna permitted Shri Jesus Christ to incarnate on the earth. You would understand these things better, if you read Markandeya Purana. Shri Markandeya, the author of the Purana has beautifully explained a number of such subtler points. In the same Purana, there is a graphic description of Shri Mahavishnu. If you would listen to this description while in meditation, you would notice that the description is of Jesus Christ only. Now, if You study the etymology of the word, 'Christ', you would know that the word has originated from a corrupted form of word, 'Krishna'. As a matter of fact, the father of Jesus Christ is Shri Krishna. That is why He is called 'Christ'. The manner in which his name 'Jesus' originated is also very interesting. The mother of Shri Krishna, Shri Yashoda Mata, was addressed as 'Yesu'. Even today, we notice that in Northern India somebody named 'Yeshu' is not addressed as such but as 'Jesu'. It is therefore, clear that from 'Yashoda' came the word 'Yeshu' and then further became the word 'Jesu' and finally the name 'Jesus Christ'. Whenever, Jesus Christ told stories about His Father, He was actually speaking about Shri Krishna, He was talking about Virata. Although, Shri Krishna did not reincarnate during the period when Jesus Christ lived on the Earth, His teachings centred round the theme as to how the seekers should know the Virata Purusha or God Almighty. The Mother of Jesus Christ was the Goddess Maha Lakshmi Herself. Mother Mary is none other than the Goddess Maha Lakshmi. She is the Adi Shakti, the Primordial Mother. Therefore, Jesus Christ used to address His Mother as the "Holy Ghost". Jesus Christ possesses all powers of Ekadasha Rudras, that is eleven powers of destruction. These powers have their centres located around the cranium of our head. When the incarnation of Kalki takes place, all these eleven powers perform the work of destruction. Out of these eleven powers one is that of Shri Hanumana, the other is of Shri Bhairava. In the Bible, these two powers are named as Saint Gabriel and Saint Michael respectively. After Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga one can awaken these powers by addressing them in Sanskrit, Marathi or even in English. The Nadi on our right side, which is known as 'Pingala-Nadi', is activated by the power of Shri Hanumana. Whenever, any sort of pressure or constriction develops inside this Nadi, it is instantly relieved by Chanting the mantra of Shri Hanumana. Similarly, even by chanting the name of Saint Michael one would experience relief in the Ida-Nadi. Ida-Nadi is on our left side and and manifests the power of Saint Michael or Shri Bhairava. Obviously, chanting the Mantra of their names relieves any trouble or constriction on the Ida Nadi. The aforesaid matters can be verified by any person after Self-realization in Sahaja Yoga. The purpose why I am telling you all this, is to impress upon you that it is absurd to quarrel against yourselves after grouping as Hindus or Muslims or Christians. If you could see the principle behind all this, you would realise that all these saints are like many flowers on the same tree of religion and are connected with each other because of the one and the same power. Perhaps, you would be surprised to know that in Sahaja Yoga, the awakening of the Kundalini very much depends on the condition of the Agnya Chakra of the seeker. In the present age, many persons are found with highly inflated ego [Ahamkara]. That is so, because most of them lead an extremely egocentric life. It is on account of the egoistic attitude, that man fails from his true religion. Man is misled, and therefore remains continuously busy working, thinking, etc., which are complementary to the growth of the ego. Jesus Christ is of great help for securing freedom from the ego. As Paigambar [prophet] Mohammad wrote about awakening of the Kundalini and the ways of protecting oneself from wicked [satanic] powers. So also Jesus Christ told in very lucid manner about the powers in us as well as the weapons. The first among these weapons is "forgiveness". The one which operates in the "Proksha" form in Shri Ganesha principle, manifests itself in the form of forgiveness in human principle. In fact, forgiveness is a very powerful weapon. It protects man against the ego. If somebody hurts you or puts you in trouble or insults you, then your mind is engrossed in contemplating on these matters and you get disturbed. You continue to think all the time about such a man, and by repeated remembrance of these events you put yourself in trouble. To overcome such troubles, we advise every such person to forgive one and all. Forgiveness is thus a very powerful weapon we have received from Jesus Christ. It enables one to get rid of troubles caused by others. I have told you earlier that Jesus Christ possessed a number of powers and that He was endowed with the powers of Ekadasha Rudras. Then how is it that He was crucified and could not save Himself from this dreadful event? Jesus Christ, with His several powers, could have completely annihilated His opponents in a moment. His Mother Mary was none else but Adi Shakti, the Primordial Mother Herself. She also could not bear the atrocities on Her son. And yet it happened. Perhaps God desired to stage a drama. Really speaking, Jesus Christ was beyond happiness or sorrow and He had to enact the drama in perfect and faultless manner. How foolish were those who crucified Him! Jesus Christ rode on a donkey so that foolishness among the people of those days could be eradicated. If you suffer from headache and you pray to Jesus Christ to forgive all those who have put you in trouble, you will be cured of your headache without the aid of any medicines. However, before such a thing can happen, you have to awaken your Kundalini by accepting Sahaja Yoga, and get Self-realization. The reason is that the Agnya Chakra, which is the Jesus principle in you, becomes active only after awakening of the Kundalini in Sahaja Yoga and not otherwise. Agnya Chakra is very subtle. The physicians are also unable to notice it. There is a very subtle door in this Chakra. That is why Jesus Christ said, "I am the door". Jesus Christ incarnated on this earth for facilitating the passage through this door, and He Himself was the first to pass through it. People crucified Jesus Christ because of their ego. They could not conceive of an idea that some human being can appear on the earth as an incarnation of God Their intellectual pride could not accept this idea and they rejected the Truth because of the ego. What was the bad deed for which Jesus was crucified ? He had on the contrary cured many people of their ailments. He preached the Truth and taught many good things to the people. He showed them the way to live a very cultured life. He always preached Love. In spite of this, the people tortured Him. But they would bow before those who teach filthy and rotten things and make a fool of them. What a height of stupidity ! These days any Tom, Dick or Harry becomes a Guru, robs the people, squeezes money from them. Such persons are held in high esteem. On the contrary if a good person, who stands by the Truth, wishes to show the true path, the people not only won't listen to him but assault him. To educate such very stupid people God Almighty sent His beloved Son, Jesus Christ, on this earth. But the people crucified Him. They have been, ever since repeatedly doing the same thing. If you read, you will find that whenever God incarnated, or any Sage or Saint took birth on this earth, the people have harmed them and tortured them. Instead of learning from them, they behaved with them stupidly. We will notice the same story about Shri Gyaneshwara and Shri Tukarama, the great saints of Maharashtra. Similar treatment was meted out to Guru Nanaka and prophet Mohammad. Man always runs away from the Truth and tries to embrace the untruth. Whenever there is an incarnation of God, or a Saint is born, and you ask a question whether such a person is an incarnation or whether he is a pious Saint, a Sahaja Yogi would immediately feet the cool breeze on his palm, if the answer is in affirmative. The past events in one's life, result in strengthening the ego. For instance one boasts that he is a disciple of such and such person etc. Man is unaware of the factual evidence facing him. Obviously due to the strengthening of ego, he loses sight of the real meaning of the Self [Sva]. It is therefore necessary to understand the meaning of the "SELF". Suppose the river Ganges is flowing from a particular place, and you go at some other place and say that Ganges is flowing from that place, and that you are actually sitting on the Ganges, this will be ridiculous. Therefore, accept only that which is factually or materially present before you. In the case of Jesus Christ, the circumstances were similar. Jesus Christ tried to awaken the Kundalini, but with great difficulty could give Realization to some twenty one persons. But in Sahaja Yoga, thousands have got realization. Christ could have given Realization to many more but His disciples thought that He could only cure sick persons and that there was no other significance of Realization to them. On many occasions Jesus Christ demonstrated walking on the surface of water. This could be because He Himself was Pranava [Omkara]. In spite of all this, people could not understand that Christ was the son of God. In Sahaja Yoga, a number of seekers have got Self-realisation and got rid of the diseases. Man should, therefore, understand that the ego is very subtle. Another thing I want to tell you, is about fighting with your ego . That is not correct thing to do. The ego is not in any way effected by your fighting with it. It should get absorbed in your own Self. When your attention is focused on the Kundalini, and it pierces your Brahmarandhra, and therefore merges with Virata, it is at this stage that ego is absorbed. The real Ego is the Ego of the VIRATA SHAKTI. In fact VIRATA is the real Ego. You cannot free yourself from the ego. What do you do? That which I do is Ego [Aham Karoti, Sah Ahamkara]. You just ask yourself as to what is it that you actually do? You can do nothing except changing the form of dead matter. Can you transform a flower into a fruit? You are endowed with the nose, the face, the beautiful human body, How did this happen? We achieved this human form from amoeba. How could this have happened? It is undoubtedly the grace of God Almighty which enabled us to have this beautiful human form. Can we repay Him for this? Can you do anything which is similar? After man succeeded in producing a test tube baby, his ego swelled considerably. Really speaking here also man did not create any living organism. As in the case of crossbreeding of two plants, so it has been done here by uniting two living human cells. But how much it has inflated the ego balloon! Then, man reached the moon, how much further inflation of his ego took place! What is our ego in comparison to His. Who created the sun, the moon, the stars and the whole universe? In fact our ego is false. !t is fake. The true Ego is the Ego of the Virata Purusha. Because it is the Virata that is doing everything. You should know that it is the Virata Purusha who alone is doing everything. Therefore, let all things be done by the Virata. You are just like a machine. Suppose I am speaking before a microphone, and My voice is carried to you through the medium of the microphone, then the microphone is only a sakshi or a witness. It is I who is doing the speaking and the power is flowing through the microphone. In the same way, you are simply an instrument of God Almighty. The Virata has made you. So, let the power of Virata flow through you and understand the meaning of Self. In order to explain the meaning of the Self, Jesus Christ incarnated on this earth with His seat in the Agnya Chakra. Agnya Chakra is very complex, and is the seat of the subtle principle of Omkara or Pranava. In fact Jesus Christ is the Omkara, the Pranava. The connection between the Kundalini and Jesus Christ is the same as the one that exists between the moon and the moonlight or the sun and the sunlight. The Kundalini, that is Mother Gauri, created Shri Ganesha by Her willpower, tapasya and noble deeds. It was when Shri Ganesha prepared Himself for incarnation that Jesus Christ was born. There are many things in this world in respect of which man has not been able to find any satisfactory explanation. Have you ever considered how a seed sprouts? How you breathe? How you make movements? Where from the power in your brain comes? How you came into this world? There are many such things. Can any man satisfactorily explain these things? We say that earth has gravitational force. But from where this force came? A number of things need unfoldment. This is because you are under the influence of an illusion. You have yet to come out of that illusion. Your illusion has to be blown up, otherwise it would grow from strength to strength. For spiritual evolution of man, it is necessary to demolish his illusion. At every stage of evolution, the incarnations have appeared. All of you know that Shri Vishnu incarnated as Shri Rama, and wandered in the forests. He staged a beautiful drama to demonstrate the life of an ideal king. Similar was the life of Shri Krishna and the life of Jesus Christ. When we study the life of Jesus Christ, one thing is noticed prominently, that is the stupidity of the people of that time. Because of that stupidity this magnificent personality was crucified. And what height of stupidity! When the people were asked to express their opinion as to whether a thief or Jesus be released, the Jews demanded that the thief be released and Jesus Christ crucified. We know the state of these people today! The sin committed by them will not be washed away in many, many lives. And even now these persons are enveloped in their ego. They think that they have done a virtuous deed. Even now, if these people seek pardon of God, saying that, "Oh God! Pardon us for crucifying your sacred principle. Forgive us for destroying your sacred principle", God will immediately forgive hem. But man finds it very difficult to apologise. He commits a number of evil deeds. How many persons can be found in the world who have worshipped the Saints? Take the instance of Shri Kabir or Guru Nanaka. The people have persecuted them at every step. In this world the people have not given anything to the saints except harm and torture. But I tell you now, that circumstances have changed. The Satya Yuga has commenced. You may try, but now you would not succeed in persecuting or torturing any saint. This is due to Jesus Christ Himself. For Jesus Christ has set in motion a mighty power in this world which would make such wicked people suffer. They would be punished. The Ekadasha Rudras of Jesus Christ are all in readiness to strike. Those who would now torture any saint, would be completely ruined. It is a great sin to torture any saint. You try to understand this from the example of Jesus Christ. Do not commit such stupidity hereafter, otherwise you may get completely ruined. If one great lesson is to be learnt from the life of Jesus, then that is that you have to remain contented in the state in which the Almighty has placed you. Jesus did not change His mission, He did not separate Himself from the society, considering Himself to be a Sanyasi. On the contrary on occasions He attended certain marriage ceremonies and made the arrangements. The Bible says that at one marriage occasion He transformed drinking water into fresh grape Juice. Now, man has picked up this one incident to suggest that since Jesus Christ made wine out of water, He used to drink wine. In Hebrew language you would notice that the word 'wine' means 'pure juice of fresh grapes'. It does not mean 'alcohol'. Jesus Christ incarnated to open the Agnya Chakra and to dissolve our ego. My job is to awaken your Kundalini power so that it could pierce your Sahasrara Chakra. This work is of collective nature; I have therefore to do it. In the case of one and all, I want to tell you about Jesus Christ, Guru Nanaka, King Janaka and a number of other incarnations and the way they relate with the collectivity. Similarly, I wish to talk to you about incarnations of Shri Rama, Shri Krishna etc., and also about Shri Shiva, because all the powers of these Gods and Deities are in us. Now, the time has come for collective consciousness to manifest. In this Kali Yuga, all those who are seeking God shall find Him and millions of people will be able to do so. Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgement. This is described in the Bible. You are judged only after you come to Sahaja Yoga. For that purpose you however, have to surrender yourself completely after coming to Sahaja Yoga. After getting that, which means everything, it is important to dwell in it, to be settled and stabilised in it. Many people ask Me, "Mataji, when would we be stable?" The answer is very simple. Suppose you are sailing in a boat. Then you know when the boat becomes stable. So also while riding a bicycle, you understand that when you do not wobble, you know you are in balance and stable. So also in Sahaja Yoga our stability is understood. The judgement in this matter is to be made by the individual himself. It is only when you stabilise in Sahaja Yoga, that the state of thoughtless awareness is established. So long as the Kundalini power does not pass through the Agnya Chakra, the stage of thoughtless awareness is not reached. This is the first step in the way of thoughtless awareness of the seeker. As soon as the Kundalini crosses the Agnya Chakra, the thoughtless awareness is established. It is the power of Jesus Christ which is instrumental in opening the subtle door located above the Agnya Chakra. For that purpose you are to recite the Lord's Prayer composed by Jesus Christ. After crossing this door, the Kundalini power enters the limbic area of the brain. It is after the Kundalini enters this area, which is also termed as the Kingdom of God, that the state of thoughtless awareness is established. in the limbic area of the brain there are Chakras which activate the seven main Chakras and also the secondary Chakras in the body. Now, let us consider the reasons why the .Agnya Chakra is spoiled. One of the main reasons of this deterioration are your eyes. You should take great care of the eyes, as they are very important. Then the Agnya Chakra is also spoiled on account of bowing before or touching one's head at the feet of an unauthorised Guru. That is why Jesus Christ has told not to bow one's head before every person or place, because by doing so, you unknowingly lose everything whatever you have gained, You should bow your head only before an authorised person, that is the one who is an incarnation of God. Do not bow before any wrong place. This is very important. If you bow your head before a wrong person or place, your Agnya Chakra will get constricted. in Sahaja Yoga, I have noticed that nowadays, many persons have spoiled their Agnya Chakras. The reason is that these people follow a wrong Guru or bow before or touch their heads at wrong places. Many of the eye-diseases are caused due to such wrong practices. In order to keep the Agnya Chakra in proper order, one should always read the scriptures and the sacred texts. One should never read unholy literature. Many people may say, "What does that matter? On account of our profession, we have to do certain things which may not be strictly proper." But then, by doing such unholy activities the eyes get spoiled. I never could understand, as to why people are bent upon doing wrong deeds. Even by looking at any unchaste and filthy man the Agnya Chakra may get constricted. Jesus Christ firmly told, "Thou shall not commit adultery." But I tell you, "Thou shall not have adulterous eyes." Thus, it again comes to the eyes. If your eyes are unholy, you have eye troubles and your eyes get weakened. This does not mean that if you have to use spectacles, you become an unholy or improper person. it is the law of life that you have to use spectacles at an advanced age. The eyes are spoiled because you do not keep them steady, and are always moving them from one place to another. So also the attention of some people is constantly shifting from one object to another. These people are not even aware that such action spoils the eyes. The other reason of deterioration of the Agnya Chakra lies in the manner in which you work. If you overwork then you become work-conscious. The work that you are doing may be good, but even then, if it is beyond the normal level, be it over-reading, overstitching or over-thinking, it will spoil the Agnya Chakra. The reason is that while you overwork, you forget God. During the course of such work, God consciousness does not stabilise in you. The Kundalini is the Truth. It is sacred. There is no hypocrisy in it. It is not some thing which can be purchased in a shop. This is the absolute Truth. As long as you cannot recognise the Truth by following vama marg or the wrong path. When you will merge into the Truth, when you will get absorbed in it, only then you would understand that you are but an instrument of God Almighty, the Holy Father, that you are the instrument through which the power of God flows and that you are the instrument of the same power of love of God, which pervades the whole universe and directs all movement therein. This power is made available to you only because of Jesus Christ, through His crucifixion, What a great sacrifice on the part of Christ! It is due to Him that our Agnya Chakra has opened. If the Agnya Chakra of any person does not open, Kundalini would not rise, because the Mooladhara Chakra would also remain constricted till the Agnya Chakra remains constricted. if a person's Agnya Chakra is too much constricted, the Kundalini power would not rise, whatever efforts you may make. For removing the catch on the Agnya Chakra, we apply Kumkum. This has the effect of reducing the troubles of the ego as also other troubles. When the Kumkum is applied on the forehead above the Agnya Chakra, the Chakra is opened and Kundalini rises. Such is the intimate connection between Jesus Christ and the Kundalini Power. Shri Ganesha, who is stationed at the Mooladhara and protects the modesty of Shri Kundalini, also opens the door at the Agnya Chakra, for the Kundalini to pass through it. What is it that we have to do for maintaining the Agnya Chakra in order? The ways are many. Extremity in every action spoils the society, and therefore excessiveness in any walk of life is not proper and should be avoided. Maintaining the balance enables our eyes to get rest. In Sahaja Yoga, there are a number of remedies for this, but it is absolutely necessary to get Self-realization, first. Then there are many exercises for the eyes which help to keep the Agnya Chakra in a healthy condition. One of these is to watch your own ego and think of yourself that, "Yes Sir, what is the plan and where do you propose to go?" This is how you may address yourself as if you are observing your own image in a mirror. If you do this, the strain on the eyes due to ego will be minimised. The other area which is very important is that part of the back of the head that is exactly behind the forehead. It is in the area which is at a distance of about the thickness of eight fingers [about 5 inches] above the base of the neck, and is known as the area of Shri Maha Ganesha. Shri Ganesha incarnated as Maha Ganesha and the same incarnation is of Jesus Christ. Shri Christ's place is in the centre of the forehead and is surrounded by the kingdom of the Ekadasha Rudras. Jesus Christ is the Master of that kingdom. The Ekadasha Rudras comprise of Shri Maha Ganesha, as also Shri Shadanan [The Lord with six faces]. If you open your eyes, after awakening of the Kundalini, you would experience that your vision is somewhat dimmed or blurred. This is so because when the Kundalini awakens, the pupils of your eyes are dilated and get cooled. This happens on account of the action of para-sympathetic nervous system. Mere thinking of Shri Jesus Christ or contemplating or meditating on Him would relieve Agnya Chakra. At the same time it should be remembered that merely following the conventions or traditions and the lines of succession made after Him, does not mean contemplation of Jesus Christ. Now, I will be telling you some eternal truths. Foremost amongst them is that looking at any women with evil intentions is a great sin. You can realise the extent of the enormous sin that is being committed by several people who stare at women at road sides with evil intentions. Jesus Christ told about this matter some 2000 years ago. But He did not tell it so openly. That is why I have to remind you about this bad habit. Jesus Christ told about this matter and was crucified. Jesus only told that this should not be done because it is filthy. He did not tell about the bad consequences of this action. This habit makes man behave like a beast, as his mind is day and night engrossed in evil thoughts. In our Yoga science it has been advised that the mind should be controlled and kept on the correct path. You should approach God with all attention centred on Him. We are made out of Yoga. Ours is the land of Yoga. We are not egoistic, nor do we want to be so. We desire to live on this land as Yogis. A day will dawn, when the whole world would bow to this country [India] in reverence. Then people would know who Jesus Christ was, and from where He came! He would then be worshipped with due respect on this sacred land. In India, even today, the modesty of women is protected and they are treated with proper respect. All over our country, we regard the mother with great reverence. When the people from other countries would visit this land they would know that it is in this country that real Christianity is practised with great devotion, but not in countries which profess the Christian religion. Jesus Christ said that, "We should be born again." In our country we refer to this process as 'Dwija' or 'born for the second time'. The second birth of any human being is possible only by awakening of Kundalini power. So long as the Kundalini is not awakened, one will not acquire the second birth, and so long as we do not have rebirth we will not be able to recognise God. You read the Bible after realization. You will be surprised to know that Jesus Christ has told nothing but the importance of Sahaja Yoga. Everything has been explained with minor details. Those who have no insight, misrepresent the matters. In reality, 'giving Baptism' means 'the awakening of the Kundalini power' so that after it rises and pierces the Sahasrara, there is the union of the all-pervading power of God and the Kundalini power. This is, in fact, is the final job of the Kundalini power. But the clergy know nothing about this. On the contrary, they are vainly trying to do something which they are not even authorised to do. Otherwise you will find these clergymen involved in all sorts of acts of kindness: kindness to animals, service of the poor, service of patients and so on. You would say, "Mataji, these are all noble deeds." Yes, certainly they are noble deeds but then, it is not the work of God. It is not the work of God to serve the poor by paying them money. The real work of God consists in helping the people to enter the Kingdom of God, and to enable them to unite with God. To make their life full of peace, prosperity, happiness, beauty and grace, is in reality the work of God. God will not catch the feet of the persons who commit theft, or speak lies or wander around because of poverty. To help such persons is an act of kindness and can be done by any person. You would notice some Christians involved in proselytising work. They would go to a remote corner where the Adivasis [Aboriginals] reside. There they would do some work of service to the Adivasis people and then convert all of the Adivasis to Christianity. But one thing should be made clear, that this is not the work of God. The work of God is eternal. In Sahaja Yoga, the patients get healed when their Kundalini is awakened. In Sahaja Yoga, we do not perform any work of pseudo-kindness. If we go to any hospital, we can easily heal 25-30 patients. With the awakening of Kundalini they are automatically healed, because within us is the power of Love. Due to awakening of Kundalini, this power of love starts flowing through their bodies and the same power cures them. Jesus Christ healed many with the same power of love flowing through Him. Jesus Christ did not help anybody with materialistic things. We have to understand these things minutely. Do not repeat the mistakes of the past. You get yourself realized. This is your first duty. After Self-realization your powers are awakened. These awakened power have healed diseases like cancer which are considered as incurable. In fact you can cure any disease. Diseases like cancer can be cured only in Sahaja Yoga. But those who get cured again resume their old paths and habits. They are no more in search of God. Such persons remember God only when they want to be cured of some disease. They do not otherwise think it necessary to seek God. Why then should God care for those who do not desire to be the light of God ? Such persons, whether cured or not, would not spread the light in this world. God would light only such lamps which would spread the light in the whole world. Why will God cure the stupid people ? Why will God help those who do not wish to do His work or those who do not want to seek Him? The work to relieve poverty or social work should not be mistaken for the work of God. Some people degrade the relationship with God to the lowest level. At one place, I observed on an advertisement board: "Shri Sai Nath Bidi". To use the name of God in such filthy manner is an outright insult of Him. By relating every petty and mundane things with God, you commit great sins. You should know this. "Sai Nath Bidi" or "Lakshmi Hing", advertising like this is an insult of God. What do these people gain by doing so? Some people say that, "Mother, this will do us good." What is this good? By that expression they mean they get more money. If a business is carried in this fashion, one or the other day it would surely bring them in trouble. This is the insult of God. Jesus Christ came to save and liberate the whole mankind. He was not the personal possession of any particular sect. He himself was Aumkar incarnate. He was Pranava and the Truth. The bodies of the other incarnations were made up of "earth principle", whereas the body of Jesus was made of the "soul principle". That is why He was resurrected after death. And it was only through the resurrection that His disciples could know that He was no other than God Himself. Then they started beating the trumpets, started reciting His name, started delivering lectures on Him. The most important thing is that God incarnated. If the people should recognise Him and secure spiritual development and bliss, this would enlighten the soul and spread happiness and bliss everywhere. May all of you acquire the Yoga of God. Many many blessings.

9/28/1979

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7th Day of Navaratri Celebrations, Kundalini and Kalki Shakti

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7th Day of Navaratri Celebrations, “Kundalini and Kalki Shakti” Mumbai (India), 28 September 1979 Today I am going to address you in English language, as desired by you. Even tomorrow perhaps we may have to use this foreign language. Today’s subject is the relationship between Kundalini and Kalki. The word kalki actually is an abbreviation of the word nishkalanka. Nishkalanka means the same as My name is, which means nirmala — that it is a spotlessly clean thing. Something that is spotlessly clean is nishkalanka, without any spots on it. Now, this incarnation has been described in many Puranas: He will be coming on this Earth on a white horse, in a village of Sambalpur, they call it, Sambhalpur. Is very interesting how people take everything so literally. The word sambhala means: bhala is this forehead, sambhala means “at that stage”. That means Kalki is situated on your bhala. Bhala is the forehead, and here He is going to be born. That is the real meaning of the word Sambhalpur. In between Jesus Christ and His destroying incarnation of Mahavishnu, called as Kalki, there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for them to enter into the Kingdom of God. Which in the Bible is called as Last Judgement — that you will be judged, all of you will be judged on this Earth. The population of the world is the maximum, they say, because all those, practically all those who had aspirations to enter into the Kingdom of God are born in the modern times and are going to be born very soon. This is the most important time because Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgement. It is fantastic to hear this, but that’s a fact and is the truth. Though you can understand that Mother’s love makes it very easy for you to get to your Realisation and that the whole story of Last Judgement, which looks such a horrifying experience, has been made very beautiful and very tender and delicate and doesn’t disturb you. But this is the Last Judgement, I tell you, and you all are going to be judged through Sahaja Yoga, whether you can enter into the Kingdom of God or not. Now, in Sahaja Yoga people come in with different kinds of attentions, or chitta. There could be people who have too much of tamasi krutya, or what we call the inertia or the more sort of sluggish or slow-moving temperaments. These, when they are exaggerated, people take to spirits or take to alcohols or to some such things which take you away from Reality and make you numb within. The other side is, as you know, right-hand side people, who have got too much ambitions. They are extremely ambitious people; they want to win the whole world, and they want to become something independent on their own, malignant and cancerous. They do not want to keep their relationship with the whole. You can see in this Kaliyuga how people have gone to their extremes. Some of them are very much indulging into too much of alcoholism, or you can call it something [like] running away from your awareness, from your Self, from truth, the beauty. The others are denying it. They are denying everything that is beautiful and are ego-oriented. So we have people who are superego-oriented: very much conditioned, and lethargic, and lazy, and absolutely primitive. The other side is that we have people who are extremely ambitious, dominating and are destroying each other by their ambition and competition. These two types of people of extreme nature are rather difficult to enter into Sahaja Yoga, but the people who are in the centre are easily absorbed in the Sahaja Yoga. Moreover, people who are less complicated, simple-hearted, as they are in the villages, are very easily absorbed by Sahaja Yoga, and they take to it without any difficulty. Say, in the city you can see the result of so much of work of Mine that there are hardly about two to three hundred people today over here. But if I go to a village, the whole village, say, up to five to six thousand people come round, and all of them get their Realisation without any difficulty. Because here people are supposed to be very busy, they have so many other preoccupations. They think other things are much more important than seeking God and wasting your time in such pursuits like seeking God. Under such circumstances, Sahaja Yoga takes its roots very sweetly into the heart of all the seekers. It works very spontaneously. You get your Realisation without any difficulty, without any effort, without paying for it, without going into any sort of strenuous exercises. But when we talk of Kalki, we have to remember that between getting our Realisation and entering into the Kingdom of God, we can falter very much. This is called as yogabhrashta sthiti (state of being fallen from yoga). People take to yoga, they come into yoga and are then enchanted still by their pravruttis (tendencies, inclinations). For example, an ego-oriented man or a money-oriented man or a man who wants to dominate can form a group of people whom he would dominate by his ideas and can go in for a fall, and the rest of them will also go down. In Sahaja Yoga itself. This has been happening in Bombay very very often; it’s a very very common thing that has been going on. But this is called as yogabhrashtata, where a person falls from his yoga, he comes down on his yoga — because Sahaja Yoga gives you all the freedom, whether to fall or to come up. But if you go to any other guru, doing any other sort of yoga in which purification takes place and where people are trained and disciplined from very childhood, in those yogas a guru will somehow or other see that you are injured or you are hurt so badly that you have no connections with anybody else. It’s like an operation: they take out that personality and throw him away. But here it is left to your freedom to understand that you have to keep to the mains, you have to keep to the group, you have to keep to the whole and not to one person here and there who is trying to overpower the rest of you. In Sahaja Yoga, anybody who tries to come up too much comes down because in nature, you have seen, nothing grows out of bounds. Like, human beings are of a certain height, the trees are of certain heights… Everything is controlled. You cannot try to show off in Sahaja Yoga, neither you should try to make a different group or a different type of some special thing. Specially I have seen in Sahaja Yoga there are people who come up and ask people to touch their feet. It is most surprising that invariably such people get exposed in no time, and one knows that they are gone cases because their chakras are caught, they are badly caught. Though they may not feel for a while, their vibrations may be there, but they go down and down and down till they are completely finished. Now, this yogabhrashta sthiti is the worst thing that can happen to anyone. First of all, you don’t get your yoga. And if you get your yoga and then jump to this sort of a condition… about which Shri Krishna has described that you go into rakshasa yoni (demon’s womb; meaning next time you will be born as a demon). Those who come to Sahaja Yoga must know that you have to stick on to one thing, properly, otherwise what is the yoni left? If you die without yoga, maybe you are born again, maybe — of course, this life is wasted — but if you try such tricks after coming to Sahaja Yoga and try to impress on others that you are a very great realised soul or that you have achieved this and achieved that — all this nonsense that you have been doing before getting to Realisation — then there is a very serious offence and you are punished for that. This is the power of Kalki, which is secretly working behind Sahaja Yoga. For example, there was a lady who came to see Me, wanted to publish something about Me, and she was paid by some horrible fellow. And she published something nonsensical, something that I never do. So everybody was very annoyed and angry and said, “Mother, You must punish her, and we must take her to courts, You must do defamation, this, that.” I said, “I am not going to go to court, you better go give up these ideas.” But nobody would listen, you see. It so happened that that paper closed down for three and a half months, and they had such a big setback. Of course, this is not done by Me, I would say, as far as Mataji Nirmala Devi is concerned, but is done by Kalki. Kalki means there are eleven powers which are guarding the beauty of Sahaja Yoga. Anybody who tries to play around with Sahaja Yoga is harmed very badly. So today is a day of telling you about the dangers of playing with the Divine. So far, people have been taking them for granted. They have tortured people like Christ, they have tortured great saints. All the time human beings have been torturing. And I have been warning in every lecture practically that don’t try that trick today, because Kalki is already on! And don’t try to trouble anybody who is a saintly person, who is a good person! Be careful about it because Kalki is on! And once this power comes on you, you would not know how to hide yourself! Not only those who are Sahaja yogis, but this I am telling to the whole world today, that be careful! Do not try to harm others! Do not try to take advantage of others! And do not try to show off your own power! Because once this destruction will start in your life, you won’t know how to stop it! Once, I went to… I think I have told you before also this thing that I went to Andhra Pradesh, and there I told people that “You should not grow any more of this tambaku, tobacco.” And they were very angry with Me because they thought this was their living. They were minting money and indulging in all kinds of things, making too much money and doing all kinds of papas (sins). I said, “In this world today you have come not for creating more papa and more karmas on your head but to do the cleansing of the papas — the papaksh talana. You have not come here to add to your sins but to cleanse them. This is the time of cleansing, that’s why I am here as Nirmala, to cleanse it. While what are you doing is to add to your papas. What are you going to gain out of growing this horrible tobacco?” But they would not listen to Me; and then, in three of My lectures — it is on the tape, people are saying — that I said that “Be careful! The Kalki in the sea will take respite on you! It will come on you!” And you know what happened in Andhra. Same with Morvi, I will tell you: only last year some people met Me from Morvi, some very big people from Morvi. And they all believed in a horrible “saint”, who was a horrible fellow and who has really destroyed families after families. I told them, “Why do you believe in this man? He is taking your attention to materialistic things. Why do you believe in him?” Every house in Morvi had the picture of this horrible “saint”. And when I told them, they would not listen to Me. They thought that I was just warning them because I was sort of jealous of that fellow. And you know what has happened about Morvi. Is a fact! All these things have been said in the presence of other people, so that they have noted it down, that what has happened, in what place, and how Mataji has said. Before that, also in Delhi once I met some of these people from Vrindavan, and who were telling Me about the pandas (priests performing rituals in a place of pilgrimage, on steps leading down to a river, etc) and this and that, and I said, “All of you, give up your professions, horrible people you are! What business have you got to make money in the name of God?” And all those pandits and pandas and all these people are horrible parasites on the society. “You get out of your jobs, or the river Ganges on which you have been feeding yourself will one day ruin you completely!” And when the floods in the river Yamuna and the Ganges came in, I was in London; I saw on the TV all these pandas running away with their khomchas (stalls) and everything. Of course, with these horrible people when you associate, when you live with them, you also suffer; the innocent suffer. Why should you be impressed by such people? That’s the thing you have to pay for. When you are impressed, you are so compromising: “After all, doesn’t matter, we are going there, so we must give something to this fellow also, he is a panda, of our forefathers, sitting down there and begging money, sitting before the river Ganges.” Imagine, the Giver of Love and the Giver of Joy is flowing there, and these people are sitting with their backs towards the river and asking money from you! What silly people they are; such stupid, useless people! And you pay them money, and you think that you have done a great punya (good deed) by donating money to them! This sort of life we have been leading, a compromising [one], not understanding what is truth, what is not truth. One side is a complete blind faith into all this kind of thing that is going on in this country and all over the world, but specially too much in this country. We are simple innocent people, with lot of bhavikta (sentimentality) within us, that’s true, but that doesn’t mean we should be stupid and fools. For example, the other day at a meeting in a place called Awargaon, I said that these people in the Vitthala’s mandir (famous temple of Vitthala in Pandharpur), called as badave (priests who have an ancestral share in the proceeds of that temple), should be nicely punished for the way they are ill-treating these saints going down there on their feet for days together, and something must be done to them. And everybody was a little annoyed when I said [this], because for these poor people these badavas — who are rakshasas incarnate — are something great. They break the heads of the people who walk all the thousands of miles there. They break their heads just like coconuts, and all of them have pain in the head. Such cruelty they confer on these innocent, simple people! And do you think I should support them when I stand for truth and for religion and for compassion? When I said this, some people, you see, who had some vested interest — must be the relations of the badavas or whatever it is — got angry with Me. But thank God, within three months time, the whole thing had been taken over by [the] Government. It is so common with us that we see with our open eyes what is happening, [yet] still we will be going on doing the same thing in the temples. Even in the name of God, we are doing sins after sins. We are adding sins to our sins, and instead of clearing it out and understanding it through our developed brain, we just go on adding [to] it. This is what I call the people who are tamasi (ignorant, being in mental darkness), who do not use your brains; they are mulabuddhis (of rudimentary intellect). They just follow somebody because there’s some sort of a hypnotic influence or some sort of a charismatic movement that is on. In the West you can see these charismatic people will take thousands of rupees from them, thousands of rupees! And they will give them epilepsy, gangrene; if not that, madness, lunacy — all sorts of things. But people, like mad, are running after all these movements and are adding up to their destruction, to their pile of sins that they have committed, instead of spending some time in cleansing their sins. This time, what we have got is a most precious time, and one has to be very careful and alert about oneself. One should not depend on any other person for help in this but should try to completely consolidate one’s own being into the Kingdom of God and occupy the highest seat in the Heart of God Almighty. Because when Kalki will come, He will slaughter all these people without any compassion! He is devoid of any compassion! There are eleven Rudras in Him, means there are eleven destructive powers absolutely powerfully settled in Him, and when I see all that — because I can see all that — this emergency grows into Me and I tell you: beware of it! Don’t play fool with it! Don’t take it easy and do not compromise with nonsensical people! Stick on to the right! Otherwise, the day is very near when Kalki is going to come! The other type of people are [those] who think no end of their intelligence. They have denied God. They say, “Where is God? There is no God. We don’t believe in God. Is all nonsense, science is everything.” What has science done so far? Let’s see that. What has science done for us? Science has done nothing so far, it has only done all dead work. It has only made you ego-oriented. All the West is ego-oriented, they are finding all the methods of committing sins. How to commit the worst sins, they are finding methods, and there are certain gurus in India who are also supplying the knowledge how to commit even worse and worse and worse sins, so they can easily go with two running jumps to hell. Whatever is wrong is wrong, whether it is today, tomorrow, or yesterday, or thousands of years back. Whatever is wrong for your dharma, for your sustenance, is wrong! The new phrase is that “What’s wrong in this? What’s wrong in that?” That question will be answered by Kalki only. I am just telling you that it is wrong, and it is extremely wrong, it is against your ascent, it is against your being. And then you will not have any time to repent and to ask this question, “What’s wrong?” You will be chopped off. That is what is the Kalki incarnation. He is going to come on a white horse, as they say. It’s a tremendous thing that is going to work out! Every human being is going to be sorted out, and nobody can then claim! See, everything is being advertised. Everything is being published. Even this instrument (tapping the microphone) that is created by science we can use for spreading Sahaja Yoga. You know that if I put it on My chakras, you get the vibrations and you get your Realisation. The whole science is subservient to Sahaja Yoga! Like, the other day some TV people came and they said, “Mother, we want to have your TV done.” I said, “You be careful before doing it. I don’t want any publicity. But whatever you do, do it properly.” Through TV we can give Sahaja Yoga. Supposing I am there, on the TV screen; I can ask people to put their hands, and there can be thousands who can get Realisation, only seeing on the TV. Is a fact that this is emitting from My being, is a fact! Why should you feel angry about it? Why don’t you come and test it? Why should you be hurt? Why your ego should hurt you if I am like that? If you are different, it doesn’t hurt Me at all. If you know one work of, say, organising this or that, I don’t feel bad. Why should you feel bad if somebody is a Divine personality? Why did you feel bad that Christ was a Divine personality? Why did you murder Him? Why did you kill Him? Why did you torture all the people who were such saintly people? You were very wise and sweet, isn’t it? You have been very kind and nice people, running after all kinds of wrong type of useless, misguiding people. There are so many now who have come to misguide you. They are taking money from you for misguiding you. They are taking money for giving you sins. They are nicely booking you up for a trip to hell, they themselves are booked nicely there. And when I say about them, people feel very hurt that “Why should Mataji talk against these gurus?” They are not gurus, they are rakshasas! Once, Christ stood up and said, “These devils and the children of devil will have to go to hell!” Then people got after Him; they said, “Why do you say such things against them? They don’t say anything against each other.” Christ said, “The Satan is not going to speak against his own house.” They are very friendly with each other. There is no problem among them. They are very kind to each other. Now all the disciples are being distributed: “You take such a lot, I take such a lot; and all of us will go to hell directly!” It’s properly organised! Like, one train is going first, then the second train will leave, then the third train will leave. The other side of this kind of ambitiousness and the kind of ego-orientation and money-orientation we have: all the time we are busy with this money! I call it a bhrama, call it a hallucination. It’s a big hallucination with you people that you are running after money. It’s another hallucination that you are running after pretatmas (dead spirits) and dead bodies. These are two mirages you are running after. What are you going to get out of this money? Go and see somebody who is supposed to be a very very rich man. Just go and see: Is he a happy man? What is the analysis of his life? So-called successful people, you just go and see them, what is the success they have? Who respects them? When they turn their back, people say, “Oh God, whose face have I seen! Let me go and wash my mouth!” Are you auspicious? If somebody sees you, does any good comes out of you, some shubha (happiness, auspiciousness) happens to that person? Are you kalyanamay (virtuous)? Are you mangalmay (auspicious)? What sort of a personality are you? Just judge yourself; and that judgement can take place here in Sahaja Yoga. We had a patient who came to Sahaja Yoga, and he told Me, “Mother, I’m a young boy, but I don’t know what has happened to me that I have become inauspicious.” I said, “How do you know?” He said, “Wherever I go there’s a quarrel between husband and wife; something goes wrong with the children; the children start crying and shouting and screaming. And now I’m hated by everyone; everybody says, ‘There’s something wrong with you.’” I found out about him what was the matter. He got cured. Now he is emitting beautiful vibrations. You can have very negative vibrations going out of you. You might be doing sins without your knowledge, and you would say, “Oh, Mother, I’m getting all the vibrations, I’m very good.” Such people always deceive themselves and others. Very good at it. “Oh, nothing wrong with me, I am in first class condition, my vibrations are the best!” and that “I’m doing very well!” Who is going to judge you is your deed. What good have you done to others? Recently we had a mishap like that. And I found all those people who were touched by that gentleman had Left Swadishthana catching, very badly. And when I told them that this was a wrong thing to do, is to make this man so important, they all got after My life. There was a doctor who had come to see Me, who is a Sahaja yogi. His son came to see Me; he’s eight years old and a very good boy, had a Realisation, but he had a very bad Swadishthana. So I asked him, “Does this man come to your house?” He says, “Yes, Mother, he comes very often.” Despite My warning he would go to their house and they would entertain that gentleman. Instead of telling him that “You go to Mother and get yourself cleared out!” You see, they are enticed and hypnotised by such a person. I asked him, I said, “Have you got this man coming to your house?” “Yes,” he said. I said, “All right, go and beat him with shoes, as we do in our Sahaja Yoga.” And the boy got cleared out. Do you want to ruin your family, your children, everybody because you’re adhering to some hypnotic fellow? At least have some consideration for them! There are many like this. But in Sahaja Yoga it is very easy to desert, and even in London I know who is going where, what they are doing. I write to them, I tell them, “Don’t do it! Just don’t do it, have nothing to do!” Immediately you must understand that our Mother, who knows these things… She knows, and if She has told us, it is the thing that is to be done; not to be argued. Did you get your vibrations through arguments? But still in Sahaja Yoga also people falter, and that’s the worst thing they will do because yogabhrashtas are the most condemned. Where will they go? I have to warn all the Sahaja yogis who are here, because Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgement. Not only that you will be judged that you are entering into the Kingdom of God, that you become the citizens of God, is correct, but apart from that, that you are capable of being there; whether you have the complete surrendering and understanding of divine laws. Even if you are belonging to, say, India and [are] a citizen of India, but if you do mistakes and if you commit criminal laws, you will be punished, even then. So, even if you become the citizen of God, you have to be very very careful about it. The second thing I would like to tell you is about the destroying powers of Kalki. Today’s lecture is going to be very sharp for you because the incarnation that you have asked Me to speak on is a very sharp one, is the sharpest of all. We had, say, Krishna’s incarnation, when He had hanana shakti (killing power). He has killed Kamsa (His evil uncle), He has killed so many rakshasas; you know [that], as child also, He has killed Putana (a rakshasi who tried to kill Krishna by breast-feeding Him with poisoned milk)… and so many people. But He had leela (playfulness) also. He had love, and He did give concessions to people, He forgave people also. But Christ, who is the embodiment of forgiveness — forgiveness of Christ is nothing but is the power of sustenance within Him — if He explodes, the whole forgiveness can come on us as a big disaster if we are not able to understand the value of His forgiveness. He has said very clearly that “Anything said against me will be tolerated, but a word against Holy Ghost won’t be tolerated!” He has clearly said it! And now you have to understand that Holy Ghost is Adi Shakti. One has to understand that such an incarnation is imminent. And Krishna’s powers are given to Him, which are only hanana shakti. Brahmadeva’s powers, which are only hanana shakti, are given to Him. Shiva’s powers, which are just hanana shakti, the part of it which is a Tandava (dance of annihilation) is given to Him. Then, Bhairava’s shakti, which is also… you know what Bhairava has got as a symbol of killing, is a big sword-like thing. And also Ganesha’s parasha (battle-axe); and also Hanumana’s all navasiddhis (nine supernatural abilities), which are going to destroy, are given to Him. All Buddha’s forgiveness and Mahavira’s ahimsa (non-violence) is going to turn upside down. All these eleven powers are going to come on top of us when we will be finished with Sahaja Yoga, when we will be absolutely sorted out; and the last killing will be done by Him. I wish it was just a killing! It is not going to be ordinary hanana like even Devi has done. Because Devi has killed all these rakshasas thousands of years back, but they are back in the seat again, all these rakshasas. Now, the problem is very different at the present moment, which you should try to understand. That, in the olden days, till the Krishna’s time, when He says that “Yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhawati bharata … vinashaya cha dushkrutam paritranaya cha sadhunam” (“Whenever righteousness is on the decline … for the expiration of evil-doers, for the protection of the virtuous,” Bhagavad Gita, Chapter IV, Verses 7-8) — these two words you must understand: to destroy the dushkrutam, means the cruel people or the negative forces, and to save the saints — “sambhavami yuge yuge, I am going to come again and again.” But the problem of the Kaliyuga is that there is no pure and simple person as a sadhu (virtuous person, saint) or as a rakshasa. So many rakshasas have entered into your brains. You side with so many people who are wrong, who are doing wrong, who are doing all kinds of wrong things in the name of politics, in the name of religion, in the name of progress and education and all that. Once you have sided with them, then they are in your brain, they are within you. And when they are within you, how to destroy the dushkrutams? They are within you! You may be a good person, but you may be destroyed because of having them in your heads. So there is no hard and fast rule as to say who is a real negative and who is a real positive. Only the Sahaja Yoga is going to cleanse you and make you absolutely positive, positively good people and religious people. This is the only way because your ankura (sprout), when it starts giving you Realisation, you feel your Self; you feel your Self, and with that Self you know that you are your Self and not this mirage. You start enjoying that Self. Once you start enjoying it, you give up all these things that make you compromise and make you a horribly mixed-up person. All this confusion can go away. So it is essential that we should take to Sahaja Yoga in the most dedicated manner and redeem ourselves of our all wrong doings, and also others whom we know; and this is the only thing that we can give to our friends, relations, and all the world around you. People invite others for dinners, have drinks, this, that. What do you give them? Nothing. They will give presents on a birthday, they’ll go round and give garlands and exchange good wishes and everything… In London, when there’s a Christmas day, the cards pile up to such an extent that no letter can be sent for ten days before Christmas. And where is Christ? On the day when Christ is born, they’ll go in for a champagne. Such foolish people! Even somebody dies, they’ll go for a champagne. Champagne is their religion now, and whisky is their Kundalini. They cannot understand God. How can they when they have made God according to their own conception of falsehood? As a Mother, I have to warn you: be careful. Do not play about with your Self. Do not go down but come up, come up, and come up. I am here to help you. I am here to work for you day and night; that you know I work very hard for you. I’ll spare no efforts to help you and do everything that is possible to make you all right, to pass this examination of Last Judgement. But you have to cooperate with Me, and you have to go headlong about it and devote most of your time for Sahaja Yoga and for imbibing all that is great and noble. Kalki is a very big subject, and if you see the Kalki Purana, it’s such a big book. Of course, a lot of trash is also in there. But “When is the time coming?” if people say, we’ll say this is a living process. When the work will be finished, when we will see that there’s no more chance of having any more people in this line, Kalki will come down. Let us see how many come in. But there is a limit, also, of that. So, I would request you to go out: call your friends, call your relations, call your neighbours, all of them. Tomorrow is the last day of My programme here of Navaratri, where we are going to have a little felicitation from the Mother. To Me, the greatest felicitations will be when in this Bombay I will find more people realised, taking to Sahaja Yoga seriously. And after coming to Sahaja Yoga, not to indulge in backbiting and small petty-mindedness and getting angry with each other but being sensible and wise. It is most surprising: those who are supposed to be the cream of the nation, the most sophisticated people, are so petty-minded and useless! I have to tell you these things because of the immediate emergency that is coming forward before Me. And I am only praying that it should not be in Bombay that it should start. Bombay had gone into the verge, if you remember, the day when Rajesh Shah phoned Me that “Mother, what about rain? What about rain? What about rain?” I wouldn’t answer him, till he said, “Mother, I know You are angry with Bombay people, but still forgive them, once again!” And that is the night when you started getting all this rain. Next calamity, beware of it! I have to tell all Bombay people: every time I come back, I find this kind of a nonsense of these Sahaja yogis getting after one man somewhere and getting lost. And the another thing is that Bombay people are still most unaware of what is going to fall into them. Most unaware how they are made from amoeba to this stage, what God has done for them, and what they have to do for God. It’s a very very sad affair. Extremely sad for the whole of the country because people try to follow this Bombay. There are so many people who would like to follow an actor and an actress than to follow God. This is the trouble with our superficial temperaments. I have to say that we have tomorrow a very good programme. And also, a book has been written, “The Advent” by Grégoire de Kalbermatten, who is a son of a baron and a Swiss boy. And when he came to Me, I could see clearly that he is a seeker, though he was a gone case, he was like a schizophrenic person. He was absolutely a gone case. But I could see in him that there’s a big seeker within him, and I had to work hard with him for a year to bring him round to his normal senses. But when there is not even seeking within you and when you go that astray, what is going to happen to you, I don’t know. So be careful, be very very careful. Today is the day of warning you, because you have asked Me to talk about Kalki. He is placed on our forehead. When the Kalki is caught up — the chakra of Kalki is caught up — the whole of murdha (head), on top, goes out of order. In the Kundalini awakening, we find that the murdha is all out of order; it doesn’t rise. The whole head becomes a blockade. Such people do not allow the Kundalini to rise above the… we can say, the Hamsa Chakra. At the most, they might try to raise up to Agnya, but the Kundalini falls down. Of course, one of the reasons, as I said, [is] that if you put your forehead before wrong gurus also, you suffer. But too much thinking also creates a problem on the right-hand side here, and one of the aspects of Kalki gets spoilt, and there is an imbalance is created on this side. The whole forehead, if it is full of lots of bumps, then one must know that the Kalki Chakra is out of order. If the Kalki Chakra is out of order, the person is about to go into some sort of a very bad calamity; is a sign of a person who is going to get it. When the Kalki Chakra is caught up, all your fingers start burning. On the hands and on the palm, sometimes even in the body, you get terrible burning. A person’s Kalki Chakra catching means he might be down with a horrible disease like cancer, maybe leprosy, maybe any such diseases, or maybe that he is about to collapse into some sort of a calamity. So Kalki Chakra must be kept all right in balance. At least there are eleven sub-chakras of the Kalki Chakra. And out of them, at least try to keep some of them alive so that others can be rescued. But if all the chakras are ruined, then it is very difficult to give you Realisation. What is the thing one should do to keep your Kalki all right? To keep your Kalki all right, you must have that awe for God. If you do not have awe for God, if you are not afraid of God, if you are not afraid that if you do wrong He is there with His wrath and that He is a wrathful God and that He is full of poison for us; if we try to do anything wrong, if there is no fear of that — not that it is to be hidden from Me or from anybody else but not… you yourself know that you are doing wrong — if you are doing something wrong and you know in your hearts of hearts that “I am doing something wrong,” please don’t do it! Otherwise your Kalki will go out. When you have that awe for God and you know that God is All-pervading, He is All-powerful, He has powers to raise us to this state of higher being, and also He has power to bestow all the blessings that He has, He is the most compassionate God, or, we can say, the most compassionate Father that one can think of — but in the same way He has a wrath. And that wrath, when it falls upon you, be very very careful! As a Mother, I have to warn you: be careful about the wrath of your Father! Because if He comes on you with that wrath, nobody can stop it! Nobody can stop it, and the compassion of Mother also will not be listened to, because He may say that “You have spoiled your children by giving them too much looseness!” So I have to tell you that please don’t do anything that is wrong and do not make Me feel bad about it. Because, for a Mother, it is very difficult to tell these things. It’s very hard, for a Mother, who has a tender heart and a kind heart for you, to say all these things. But I have to request you that don’t play about, because your Father is full of wrath and He can punish you if you do anything wrong. But if you do anything for Him or for your own being, for your Self-Realisation, you will be placed in the highest position. Today you may be the biggest millionaire, you may be the richest man, you may be the greatest political leader, you may be the prime minister, and all that nonsense — in the presence of God, those who are dear to God will be placed at the highest positions, and not all these worldly things which look so interesting and enchanting to you. The most important thing — where are you as far as God is concerned. That relation you must establish by first finding out your Self, your Atma through Sahaja Yoga and then relating yourself to that. May God bless you all! Now we’ll have a session of Sahaja Yoga for you to get corrected, and I would like those people who have not been here before to come forward, to get their Realisation, and all the Sahaja yogis to help Me today because, today being Kalki’s day, the vibrations have been a bit too much.

7th Day of Navaratri Celebrations, “Kundalini and Kalki Shakti” Mumbai (India), 28 September 1979 Today I am going to address you in English language, as desired by you. Even tomorrow perhaps we may have to use this foreign language. Today’s subject is the relationship between Kundalini and Kalki. The word kalki actually is an abbreviation of the word nishkalanka. Nishkalanka means the same as My name is, which means nirmala — that it is a spotlessly clean thing. Something that is spotlessly clean is nishkalanka, without any spots on it. Now, this incarnation has been described in many Puranas: He will be coming on this Earth on a white horse, in a village of Sambalpur, they call it, Sambhalpur. Is very interesting how people take everything so literally. The word sambhala means: bhala is this forehead, sambhala means “at that stage”. That means Kalki is situated on your bhala. Bhala is the forehead, and here He is going to be born. That is the real meaning of the word Sambhalpur. In between Jesus Christ and His destroying incarnation of Mahavishnu, called as Kalki, there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for them to enter into the Kingdom of God. Which in the Bible is called as Last Judgement — that you will be judged, all of you will be judged on this Earth. The population of the world is the maximum, they say, because all those, practically all those who had aspirations to enter into the Kingdom of God are born in the modern times and are going to be born very soon. This is the most important time because Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgement. It is fantastic to hear this, but that’s a fact and is the truth. Though you can understand that Mother’s love makes it very easy for you to get to your Realisation and that the whole story of Last Judgement, which looks such a horrifying experience, has been made very beautiful and very tender and delicate and doesn’t disturb you. But this is the Last Judgement, I tell you, and you all are going to be judged through Sahaja Yoga, whether you can enter into the Kingdom of God or not. Now, in Sahaja Yoga people come in with different kinds of attentions, or chitta. There could be people who have too much of tamasi krutya, or what we call the inertia or the more sort of sluggish or slow-moving temperaments. These, when they are exaggerated, people take to spirits or take to alcohols or to some such things which take you away from Reality and make you numb within. The other side is, as you know, right-hand side people, who have got too much ambitions. They are extremely ambitious people; they want to win the whole world, and they want to become something independent on their own, malignant and cancerous. They do not want to keep their relationship with the whole. You can see in this Kaliyuga how people have gone to their extremes. Some of them are very much indulging into too much of alcoholism, or you can call it something [like] running away from your awareness, from your Self, from truth, the beauty. The others are denying it. They are denying everything that is beautiful and are ego-oriented. So we have people who are superego-oriented: very much conditioned, and lethargic, and lazy, and absolutely primitive. The other side is that we have people who are extremely ambitious, dominating and are destroying each other by their ambition and competition. These two types of people of extreme nature are rather difficult to enter into Sahaja Yoga, but the people who are in the centre are easily absorbed in the Sahaja Yoga. Moreover, people who are less complicated, simple-hearted, as they are in the villages, are very easily absorbed by Sahaja Yoga, and they take to it without any difficulty. Say, in the city you can see the result of so much of work of Mine that there are hardly about two to three hundred people today over here. But if I go to a village, the whole village, say, up to five to six thousand people come round, and all of them get their Realisation without any difficulty. Because here people are supposed to be very busy, they have so many other preoccupations. They think other things are much more important than seeking God and wasting your time in such pursuits like seeking God. Under such circumstances, Sahaja Yoga takes its roots very sweetly into the heart of all the seekers. It works very spontaneously. You get your Realisation without any difficulty, without any effort, without paying for it, without going into any sort of strenuous exercises. But when we talk of Kalki, we have to remember that between getting our Realisation and entering into the Kingdom of God, we can falter very much. This is called as yogabhrashta sthiti (state of being fallen from yoga). People take to yoga, they come into yoga and are then enchanted still by their pravruttis (tendencies, inclinations). For example, an ego-oriented man or a money-oriented man or a man who wants to dominate can form a group of people whom he would dominate by his ideas and can go in for a fall, and the rest of them will also go down. In Sahaja Yoga itself. This has been happening in Bombay very very often; it’s a very very common thing that has been going on. But this is called as yogabhrashtata, where a person falls from his yoga, he comes down on his yoga — because Sahaja Yoga gives you all the freedom, whether to fall or to come up. But if you go to any other guru, doing any other sort of yoga in which purification takes place and where people are trained and disciplined from very childhood, in those yogas a guru will somehow or other see that you are injured or you are hurt so badly that you have no connections with anybody else. It’s like an operation: they take out that personality and throw him away. But here it is left to your freedom to understand that you have to keep to the mains, you have to keep to the group, you have to keep to the whole and not to one person here and there who is trying to overpower the rest of you. In Sahaja Yoga, anybody who tries to come up too much comes down because in nature, you have seen, nothing grows out of bounds. Like, human beings are of a certain height, the trees are of certain heights… Everything is controlled. You cannot try to show off in Sahaja Yoga, neither you should try to make a different group or a different type of some special thing. Specially I have seen in Sahaja Yoga there are people who come up and ask people to touch their feet. It is most surprising that invariably such people get exposed in no time, and one knows that they are gone cases because their chakras are caught, they are badly caught. Though they may not feel for a while, their vibrations may be there, but they go down and down and down till they are completely finished. Now, this yogabhrashta sthiti is the worst thing that can happen to anyone. First of all, you don’t get your yoga. And if you get your yoga and then jump to this sort of a condition… about which Shri Krishna has described that you go into rakshasa yoni (demon’s womb; meaning next time you will be born as a demon). Those who come to Sahaja Yoga must know that you have to stick on to one thing, properly, otherwise what is the yoni left? If you die without yoga, maybe you are born again, maybe — of course, this life is wasted — but if you try such tricks after coming to Sahaja Yoga and try to impress on others that you are a very great realised soul or that you have achieved this and achieved that — all this nonsense that you have been doing before getting to Realisation — then there is a very serious offence and you are punished for that. This is the power of Kalki, which is secretly working behind Sahaja Yoga. For example, there was a lady who came to see Me, wanted to publish something about Me, and she was paid by some horrible fellow. And she published something nonsensical, something that I never do. So everybody was very annoyed and angry and said, “Mother, You must punish her, and we must take her to courts, You must do defamation, this, that.” I said, “I am not going to go to court, you better go give up these ideas.” But nobody would listen, you see. It so happened that that paper closed down for three and a half months, and they had such a big setback. Of course, this is not done by Me, I would say, as far as Mataji Nirmala Devi is concerned, but is done by Kalki. Kalki means there are eleven powers which are guarding the beauty of Sahaja Yoga. Anybody who tries to play around with Sahaja Yoga is harmed very badly. So today is a day of telling you about the dangers of playing with the Divine. So far, people have been taking them for granted. They have tortured people like Christ, they have tortured great saints. All the time human beings have been torturing. And I have been warning in every lecture practically that don’t try that trick today, because Kalki is already on! And don’t try to trouble anybody who is a saintly person, who is a good person! Be careful about it because Kalki is on! And once this power comes on you, you would not know how to hide yourself! Not only those who are Sahaja yogis, but this I am telling to the whole world today, that be careful! Do not try to harm others! Do not try to take advantage of others! And do not try to show off your own power! Because once this destruction will start in your life, you won’t know how to stop it! Once, I went to… I think I have told you before also this thing that I went to Andhra Pradesh, and there I told people that “You should not grow any more of this tambaku, tobacco.” And they were very angry with Me because they thought this was their living. They were minting money and indulging in all kinds of things, making too much money and doing all kinds of papas (sins). I said, “In this world today you have come not for creating more papa and more karmas on your head but to do the cleansing of the papas — the papaksh talana. You have not come here to add to your sins but to cleanse them. This is the time of cleansing, that’s why I am here as Nirmala, to cleanse it. While what are you doing is to add to your papas. What are you going to gain out of growing this horrible tobacco?” But they would not listen to Me; and then, in three of My lectures — it is on the tape, people are saying — that I said that “Be careful! The Kalki in the sea will take respite on you! It will come on you!” And you know what happened in Andhra. Same with Morvi, I will tell you: only last year some people met Me from Morvi, some very big people from Morvi. And they all believed in a horrible “saint”, who was a horrible fellow and who has really destroyed families after families. I told them, “Why do you believe in this man? He is taking your attention to materialistic things. Why do you believe in him?” Every house in Morvi had the picture of this horrible “saint”. And when I told them, they would not listen to Me. They thought that I was just warning them because I was sort of jealous of that fellow. And you know what has happened about Morvi. Is a fact! All these things have been said in the presence of other people, so that they have noted it down, that what has happened, in what place, and how Mataji has said. Before that, also in Delhi once I met some of these people from Vrindavan, and who were telling Me about the pandas (priests performing rituals in a place of pilgrimage, on steps leading down to a river, etc) and this and that, and I said, “All of you, give up your professions, horrible people you are! What business have you got to make money in the name of God?” And all those pandits and pandas and all these people are horrible parasites on the society. “You get out of your jobs, or the river Ganges on which you have been feeding yourself will one day ruin you completely!” And when the floods in the river Yamuna and the Ganges came in, I was in London; I saw on the TV all these pandas running away with their khomchas (stalls) and everything. Of course, with these horrible people when you associate, when you live with them, you also suffer; the innocent suffer. Why should you be impressed by such people? That’s the thing you have to pay for. When you are impressed, you are so compromising: “After all, doesn’t matter, we are going there, so we must give something to this fellow also, he is a panda, of our forefathers, sitting down there and begging money, sitting before the river Ganges.” Imagine, the Giver of Love and the Giver of Joy is flowing there, and these people are sitting with their backs towards the river and asking money from you! What silly people they are; such stupid, useless people! And you pay them money, and you think that you have done a great punya (good deed) by donating money to them! This sort of life we have been leading, a compromising [one], not understanding what is truth, what is not truth. One side is a complete blind faith into all this kind of thing that is going on in this country and all over the world, but specially too much in this country. We are simple innocent people, with lot of bhavikta (sentimentality) within us, that’s true, but that doesn’t mean we should be stupid and fools. For example, the other day at a meeting in a place called Awargaon, I said that these people in the Vitthala’s mandir (famous temple of Vitthala in Pandharpur), called as badave (priests who have an ancestral share in the proceeds of that temple), should be nicely punished for the way they are ill-treating these saints going down there on their feet for days together, and something must be done to them. And everybody was a little annoyed when I said [this], because for these poor people these badavas — who are rakshasas incarnate — are something great. They break the heads of the people who walk all the thousands of miles there. They break their heads just like coconuts, and all of them have pain in the head. Such cruelty they confer on these innocent, simple people! And do you think I should support them when I stand for truth and for religion and for compassion? When I said this, some people, you see, who had some vested interest — must be the relations of the badavas or whatever it is — got angry with Me. But thank God, within three months time, the whole thing had been taken over by [the] Government. It is so common with us that we see with our open eyes what is happening, [yet] still we will be going on doing the same thing in the temples. Even in the name of God, we are doing sins after sins. We are adding sins to our sins, and instead of clearing it out and understanding it through our developed brain, we just go on adding [to] it. This is what I call the people who are tamasi (ignorant, being in mental darkness), who do not use your brains; they are mulabuddhis (of rudimentary intellect). They just follow somebody because there’s some sort of a hypnotic influence or some sort of a charismatic movement that is on. In the West you can see these charismatic people will take thousands of rupees from them, thousands of rupees! And they will give them epilepsy, gangrene; if not that, madness, lunacy — all sorts of things. But people, like mad, are running after all these movements and are adding up to their destruction, to their pile of sins that they have committed, instead of spending some time in cleansing their sins. This time, what we have got is a most precious time, and one has to be very careful and alert about oneself. One should not depend on any other person for help in this but should try to completely consolidate one’s own being into the Kingdom of God and occupy the highest seat in the Heart of God Almighty. Because when Kalki will come, He will slaughter all these people without any compassion! He is devoid of any compassion! There are eleven Rudras in Him, means there are eleven destructive powers absolutely powerfully settled in Him, and when I see all that — because I can see all that — this emergency grows into Me and I tell you: beware of it! Don’t play fool with it! Don’t take it easy and do not compromise with nonsensical people! Stick on to the right! Otherwise, the day is very near when Kalki is going to come! The other type of people are [those] who think no end of their intelligence. They have denied God. They say, “Where is God? There is no God. We don’t believe in God. Is all nonsense, science is everything.” What has science done so far? Let’s see that. What has science done for us? Science has done nothing so far, it has only done all dead work. It has only made you ego-oriented. All the West is ego-oriented, they are finding all the methods of committing sins. How to commit the worst sins, they are finding methods, and there are certain gurus in India who are also supplying the knowledge how to commit even worse and worse and worse sins, so they can easily go with two running jumps to hell. Whatever is wrong is wrong, whether it is today, tomorrow, or yesterday, or thousands of years back. Whatever is wrong for your dharma, for your sustenance, is wrong! The new phrase is that “What’s wrong in this? What’s wrong in that?” That question will be answered by Kalki only. I am just telling you that it is wrong, and it is extremely wrong, it is against your ascent, it is against your being. And then you will not have any time to repent and to ask this question, “What’s wrong?” You will be chopped off. That is what is the Kalki incarnation. He is going to come on a white horse, as they say. It’s a tremendous thing that is going to work out! Every human being is going to be sorted out, and nobody can then claim! See, everything is being advertised. Everything is being published. Even this instrument (tapping the microphone) that is created by science we can use for spreading Sahaja Yoga. You know that if I put it on My chakras, you get the vibrations and you get your Realisation. The whole science is subservient to Sahaja Yoga! Like, the other day some TV people came and they said, “Mother, we want to have your TV done.” I said, “You be careful before doing it. I don’t want any publicity. But whatever you do, do it properly.” Through TV we can give Sahaja Yoga. Supposing I am there, on the TV screen; I can ask people to put their hands, and there can be thousands who can get Realisation, only seeing on the TV. Is a fact that this is emitting from My being, is a fact! Why should you feel angry about it? Why don’t you come and test it? Why should you be hurt? Why your ego should hurt you if I am like that? If you are different, it doesn’t hurt Me at all. If you know one work of, say, organising this or that, I don’t feel bad. Why should you feel bad if somebody is a Divine personality? Why did you feel bad that Christ was a Divine personality? Why did you murder Him? Why did you kill Him? Why did you torture all the people who were such saintly people? You were very wise and sweet, isn’t it? You have been very kind and nice people, running after all kinds of wrong type of useless, misguiding people. There are so many now who have come to misguide you. They are taking money from you for misguiding you. They are taking money for giving you sins. They are nicely booking you up for a trip to hell, they themselves are booked nicely there. And when I say about them, people feel very hurt that “Why should Mataji talk against these gurus?” They are not gurus, they are rakshasas! Once, Christ stood up and said, “These devils and the children of devil will have to go to hell!” Then people got after Him; they said, “Why do you say such things against them? They don’t say anything against each other.” Christ said, “The Satan is not going to speak against his own house.” They are very friendly with each other. There is no problem among them. They are very kind to each other. Now all the disciples are being distributed: “You take such a lot, I take such a lot; and all of us will go to hell directly!” It’s properly organised! Like, one train is going first, then the second train will leave, then the third train will leave. The other side of this kind of ambitiousness and the kind of ego-orientation and money-orientation we have: all the time we are busy with this money! I call it a bhrama, call it a hallucination. It’s a big hallucination with you people that you are running after money. It’s another hallucination that you are running after pretatmas (dead spirits) and dead bodies. These are two mirages you are running after. What are you going to get out of this money? Go and see somebody who is supposed to be a very very rich man. Just go and see: Is he a happy man? What is the analysis of his life? So-called successful people, you just go and see them, what is the success they have? Who respects them? When they turn their back, people say, “Oh God, whose face have I seen! Let me go and wash my mouth!” Are you auspicious? If somebody sees you, does any good comes out of you, some shubha (happiness, auspiciousness) happens to that person? Are you kalyanamay (virtuous)? Are you mangalmay (auspicious)? What sort of a personality are you? Just judge yourself; and that judgement can take place here in Sahaja Yoga. We had a patient who came to Sahaja Yoga, and he told Me, “Mother, I’m a young boy, but I don’t know what has happened to me that I have become inauspicious.” I said, “How do you know?” He said, “Wherever I go there’s a quarrel between husband and wife; something goes wrong with the children; the children start crying and shouting and screaming. And now I’m hated by everyone; everybody says, ‘There’s something wrong with you.’” I found out about him what was the matter. He got cured. Now he is emitting beautiful vibrations. You can have very negative vibrations going out of you. You might be doing sins without your knowledge, and you would say, “Oh, Mother, I’m getting all the vibrations, I’m very good.” Such people always deceive themselves and others. Very good at it. “Oh, nothing wrong with me, I am in first class condition, my vibrations are the best!” and that “I’m doing very well!” Who is going to judge you is your deed. What good have you done to others? Recently we had a mishap like that. And I found all those people who were touched by that gentleman had Left Swadishthana catching, very badly. And when I told them that this was a wrong thing to do, is to make this man so important, they all got after My life. There was a doctor who had come to see Me, who is a Sahaja yogi. His son came to see Me; he’s eight years old and a very good boy, had a Realisation, but he had a very bad Swadishthana. So I asked him, “Does this man come to your house?” He says, “Yes, Mother, he comes very often.” Despite My warning he would go to their house and they would entertain that gentleman. Instead of telling him that “You go to Mother and get yourself cleared out!” You see, they are enticed and hypnotised by such a person. I asked him, I said, “Have you got this man coming to your house?” “Yes,” he said. I said, “All right, go and beat him with shoes, as we do in our Sahaja Yoga.” And the boy got cleared out. Do you want to ruin your family, your children, everybody because you’re adhering to some hypnotic fellow? At least have some consideration for them! There are many like this. But in Sahaja Yoga it is very easy to desert, and even in London I know who is going where, what they are doing. I write to them, I tell them, “Don’t do it! Just don’t do it, have nothing to do!” Immediately you must understand that our Mother, who knows these things… She knows, and if She has told us, it is the thing that is to be done; not to be argued. Did you get your vibrations through arguments? But still in Sahaja Yoga also people falter, and that’s the worst thing they will do because yogabhrashtas are the most condemned. Where will they go? I have to warn all the Sahaja yogis who are here, because Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgement. Not only that you will be judged that you are entering into the Kingdom of God, that you become the citizens of God, is correct, but apart from that, that you are capable of being there; whether you have the complete surrendering and understanding of divine laws. Even if you are belonging to, say, India and [are] a citizen of India, but if you do mistakes and if you commit criminal laws, you will be punished, even then. So, even if you become the citizen of God, you have to be very very careful about it. The second thing I would like to tell you is about the destroying powers of Kalki. Today’s lecture is going to be very sharp for you because the incarnation that you have asked Me to speak on is a very sharp one, is the sharpest of all. We had, say, Krishna’s incarnation, when He had hanana shakti (killing power). He has killed Kamsa (His evil uncle), He has killed so many rakshasas; you know [that], as child also, He has killed Putana (a rakshasi who tried to kill Krishna by breast-feeding Him with poisoned milk)… and so many people. But He had leela (playfulness) also. He had love, and He did give concessions to people, He forgave people also. But Christ, who is the embodiment of forgiveness — forgiveness of Christ is nothing but is the power of sustenance within Him — if He explodes, the whole forgiveness can come on us as a big disaster if we are not able to understand the value of His forgiveness. He has said very clearly that “Anything said against me will be tolerated, but a word against Holy Ghost won’t be tolerated!” He has clearly said it! And now you have to understand that Holy Ghost is Adi Shakti. One has to understand that such an incarnation is imminent. And Krishna’s powers are given to Him, which are only hanana shakti. Brahmadeva’s powers, which are only hanana shakti, are given to Him. Shiva’s powers, which are just hanana shakti, the part of it which is a Tandava (dance of annihilation) is given to Him. Then, Bhairava’s shakti, which is also… you know what Bhairava has got as a symbol of killing, is a big sword-like thing. And also Ganesha’s parasha (battle-axe); and also Hanumana’s all navasiddhis (nine supernatural abilities), which are going to destroy, are given to Him. All Buddha’s forgiveness and Mahavira’s ahimsa (non-violence) is going to turn upside down. All these eleven powers are going to come on top of us when we will be finished with Sahaja Yoga, when we will be absolutely sorted out; and the last killing will be done by Him. I wish it was just a killing! It is not going to be ordinary hanana like even Devi has done. Because Devi has killed all these rakshasas thousands of years back, but they are back in the seat again, all these rakshasas. Now, the problem is very different at the present moment, which you should try to understand. That, in the olden days, till the Krishna’s time, when He says that “Yada yada hi dharmasya glanirbhawati bharata … vinashaya cha dushkrutam paritranaya cha sadhunam” (“Whenever righteousness is on the decline … for the expiration of evil-doers, for the protection of the virtuous,” Bhagavad Gita, Chapter IV, Verses 7-8) — these two words you must understand: to destroy the dushkrutam, means the cruel people or the negative forces, and to save the saints — “sambhavami yuge yuge, I am going to come again and again.” But the problem of the Kaliyuga is that there is no pure and simple person as a sadhu (virtuous person, saint) or as a rakshasa. So many rakshasas have entered into your brains. You side with so many people who are wrong, who are doing wrong, who are doing all kinds of wrong things in the name of politics, in the name of religion, in the name of progress and education and all that. Once you have sided with them, then they are in your brain, they are within you. And when they are within you, how to destroy the dushkrutams? They are within you! You may be a good person, but you may be destroyed because of having them in your heads. So there is no hard and fast rule as to say who is a real negative and who is a real positive. Only the Sahaja Yoga is going to cleanse you and make you absolutely positive, positively good people and religious people. This is the only way because your ankura (sprout), when it starts giving you Realisation, you feel your Self; you feel your Self, and with that Self you know that you are your Self and not this mirage. You start enjoying that Self. Once you start enjoying it, you give up all these things that make you compromise and make you a horribly mixed-up person. All this confusion can go away. So it is essential that we should take to Sahaja Yoga in the most dedicated manner and redeem ourselves of our all wrong doings, and also others whom we know; and this is the only thing that we can give to our friends, relations, and all the world around you. People invite others for dinners, have drinks, this, that. What do you give them? Nothing. They will give presents on a birthday, they’ll go round and give garlands and exchange good wishes and everything… In London, when there’s a Christmas day, the cards pile up to such an extent that no letter can be sent for ten days before Christmas. And where is Christ? On the day when Christ is born, they’ll go in for a champagne. Such foolish people! Even somebody dies, they’ll go for a champagne. Champagne is their religion now, and whisky is their Kundalini. They cannot understand God. How can they when they have made God according to their own conception of falsehood? As a Mother, I have to warn you: be careful. Do not play about with your Self. Do not go down but come up, come up, and come up. I am here to help you. I am here to work for you day and night; that you know I work very hard for you. I’ll spare no efforts to help you and do everything that is possible to make you all right, to pass this examination of Last Judgement. But you have to cooperate with Me, and you have to go headlong about it and devote most of your time for Sahaja Yoga and for imbibing all that is great and noble. Kalki is a very big subject, and if you see the Kalki Purana, it’s such a big book. Of course, a lot of trash is also in there. But “When is the time coming?” if people say, we’ll say this is a living process. When the work will be finished, when we will see that there’s no more chance of having any more people in this line, Kalki will come down. Let us see how many come in. But there is a limit, also, of that. So, I would request you to go out: call your friends, call your relations, call your neighbours, all of them. Tomorrow is the last day of My programme here of Navaratri, where we are going to have a little felicitation from the Mother. To Me, the greatest felicitations will be when in this Bombay I will find more people realised, taking to Sahaja Yoga seriously. And after coming to Sahaja Yoga, not to indulge in backbiting and small petty-mindedness and getting angry with each other but being sensible and wise. It is most surprising: those who are supposed to be the cream of the nation, the most sophisticated people, are so petty-minded and useless! I have to tell you these things because of the immediate emergency that is coming forward before Me. And I am only praying that it should not be in Bombay that it should start. Bombay had gone into the verge, if you remember, the day when Rajesh Shah phoned Me that “Mother, what about rain? What about rain? What about rain?” I wouldn’t answer him, till he said, “Mother, I know You are angry with Bombay people, but still forgive them, once again!” And that is the night when you started getting all this rain. Next calamity, beware of it! I have to tell all Bombay people: every time I come back, I find this kind of a nonsense of these Sahaja yogis getting after one man somewhere and getting lost. And the another thing is that Bombay people are still most unaware of what is going to fall into them. Most unaware how they are made from amoeba to this stage, what God has done for them, and what they have to do for God. It’s a very very sad affair. Extremely sad for the whole of the country because people try to follow this Bombay. There are so many people who would like to follow an actor and an actress than to follow God. This is the trouble with our superficial temperaments. I have to say that we have tomorrow a very good programme. And also, a book has been written, “The Advent” by Grégoire de Kalbermatten, who is a son of a baron and a Swiss boy. And when he came to Me, I could see clearly that he is a seeker, though he was a gone case, he was like a schizophrenic person. He was absolutely a gone case. But I could see in him that there’s a big seeker within him, and I had to work hard with him for a year to bring him round to his normal senses. But when there is not even seeking within you and when you go that astray, what is going to happen to you, I don’t know. So be careful, be very very careful. Today is the day of warning you, because you have asked Me to talk about Kalki. He is placed on our forehead. When the Kalki is caught up — the chakra of Kalki is caught up — the whole of murdha (head), on top, goes out of order. In the Kundalini awakening, we find that the murdha is all out of order; it doesn’t rise. The whole head becomes a blockade. Such people do not allow the Kundalini to rise above the… we can say, the Hamsa Chakra. At the most, they might try to raise up to Agnya, but the Kundalini falls down. Of course, one of the reasons, as I said, [is] that if you put your forehead before wrong gurus also, you suffer. But too much thinking also creates a problem on the right-hand side here, and one of the aspects of Kalki gets spoilt, and there is an imbalance is created on this side. The whole forehead, if it is full of lots of bumps, then one must know that the Kalki Chakra is out of order. If the Kalki Chakra is out of order, the person is about to go into some sort of a very bad calamity; is a sign of a person who is going to get it. When the Kalki Chakra is caught up, all your fingers start burning. On the hands and on the palm, sometimes even in the body, you get terrible burning. A person’s Kalki Chakra catching means he might be down with a horrible disease like cancer, maybe leprosy, maybe any such diseases, or maybe that he is about to collapse into some sort of a calamity. So Kalki Chakra must be kept all right in balance. At least there are eleven sub-chakras of the Kalki Chakra. And out of them, at least try to keep some of them alive so that others can be rescued. But if all the chakras are ruined, then it is very difficult to give you Realisation. What is the thing one should do to keep your Kalki all right? To keep your Kalki all right, you must have that awe for God. If you do not have awe for God, if you are not afraid of God, if you are not afraid that if you do wrong He is there with His wrath and that He is a wrathful God and that He is full of poison for us; if we try to do anything wrong, if there is no fear of that — not that it is to be hidden from Me or from anybody else but not… you yourself know that you are doing wrong — if you are doing something wrong and you know in your hearts of hearts that “I am doing something wrong,” please don’t do it! Otherwise your Kalki will go out. When you have that awe for God and you know that God is All-pervading, He is All-powerful, He has powers to raise us to this state of higher being, and also He has power to bestow all the blessings that He has, He is the most compassionate God, or, we can say, the most compassionate Father that one can think of — but in the same way He has a wrath. And that wrath, when it falls upon you, be very very careful! As a Mother, I have to warn you: be careful about the wrath of your Father! Because if He comes on you with that wrath, nobody can stop it! Nobody can stop it, and the compassion of Mother also will not be listened to, because He may say that “You have spoiled your children by giving them too much looseness!” So I have to tell you that please don’t do anything that is wrong and do not make Me feel bad about it. Because, for a Mother, it is very difficult to tell these things. It’s very hard, for a Mother, who has a tender heart and a kind heart for you, to say all these things. But I have to request you that don’t play about, because your Father is full of wrath and He can punish you if you do anything wrong. But if you do anything for Him or for your own being, for your Self-Realisation, you will be placed in the highest position. Today you may be the biggest millionaire, you may be the richest man, you may be the greatest political leader, you may be the prime minister, and all that nonsense — in the presence of God, those who are dear to God will be placed at the highest positions, and not all these worldly things which look so interesting and enchanting to you. The most important thing — where are you as far as God is concerned. That relation you must establish by first finding out your Self, your Atma through Sahaja Yoga and then relating yourself to that. May God bless you all! Now we’ll have a session of Sahaja Yoga for you to get corrected, and I would like those people who have not been here before to come forward, to get their Realisation, and all the Sahaja yogis to help Me today because, today being Kalki’s day, the vibrations have been a bit too much.

9/29/1979

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8th Day of Navaratri Celebrations, Poverty

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Advent Seminar at Sundrabai Hall. Mumbai, India. 29 September 1979. Shri Mataji: Shri Vijay Merchant, Mr. Rakure, all the Sahaja Yogis who have come here to express their love for Me and all the rest of the people who are in the search of truth. It was really a very gracious of Shri Merchant to come and inaugurate this book. I have been from My childhood watching his cricket. I must say I’m quite a big cricket fan Myself. I think cricket is the game which is really Sahaja, between one extreme of football and another boring game of golf. And I always have been appreciating the way he has been managing our teams and has been such a good captain to our country and I’ve been admiring him, the way he has been able to handle the glory in the field of cricket. Even after that, instead of wasting his life like all other successful people of this life in retirement, he’s doing such a great work, and such a feeling he has for all the downtrodden and the poor people of this country shows that he is a very sensitive personality. I’m very thankful to him the way he is being kind to all of us and have been here and spoke to us about his own work. I agree with him entirely that the downtrodden or the ones who are not so well off as we are or, we can say, the one who is not such a good batsman, the weaker one, has to be helped and sustained by the stronger one. This is exactly what we are doing in Sahaja Yoga. What we are doing in Sahaja Yoga is that we are reaching to the roots of poverty. We are not just trying to do the, do the patchwork of just improving the material conditions of people. Because you have seen in the world people there have been very affluent in the countries like Switzerland and Sweden where people are very affluent and they are committing suicide. The maximum number of suicides are coming from Sweden. I’ve informed you last time that we had some people coming from Sweden and their vibrations were something like the dead bodies. We have to know the roots of our troubles first of all. If we just try to treat the symptoms we cannot go too far. And maybe that we may cure one symptom but may cure another symptom. I’ll give you a very simple example of My husband’s sensitivity to his organization which is World Shipping Corporation. He is another philanthropic gentleman and he wanted to do a lot of good for the drivers who were in the organization. And he said, “Their pay is very little, and the women and the men are really living in substandard conditions. We must do something about them.” And so he started raising their pay. After three months or so suddenly I had a call from a lady. She said, “We are the wives of the drivers and we want to come and see You.” I said, “It’s a good idea. You all must come and see Me,” because in Shipping Corporation I always had a very motherly role towards all the employees, and they would always come and tell Me if they thought that it would be difficult to talk to My husband. Now they came round and they told Me that, “It’s nice that he has given us lot of pay, but do our drivers know how to handle that additional money? Now they have taken to drinking, they have taken to bad women and they are not even giving us money what they were giving us.” What is the basic root of poverty? It is not God. It is human beings, the human beings who have got too much ambitions, human beings who are all the time running after the mirage of money. In money-oriented societies of the West have created this kind of mentality, even in the East where people want to have everything of the world. They want to have today the house, tomorrow the car, day after tomorrow the helicopter. Maybe they may like to have even a big jumbo jet to themselves. How do you curb this? Unless and until you bring those people who are en-massing these money too much and extracting the money from the poor and on the other hand the poor who do not feel responsible enough to create work for themselves and not to be parasites on anyone. These two factors must to be tackled at the same time, and Sahaja Yoga is the only way you can win. Now you must have seen that in Sahaja Yoga mostly the people of about middle class people are there. Very poor people are also there; we have lots of poor people from the villages. In the Sahaja Yoga when the Kundalini rises you get your own power within yourselves by which you feel satisfied, and this too much of hankering after money, position and all that dies out and such a person himself thinks of the others who are around, because on his vibrations he can feel and he can feel the needs of others. As far the sick that are poor or sick who are the rich, even diseases like cancer and leprosy can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga. We treat people without taking a single pie. We have cured thousands of people all over the world without taking a single pie from them, whether they are poor, rich or anything. Mentally there are many people who are disturbed. For example, most of the money of the poor goes for drinking. They drink like fishes. They waste their energy in drinking. You might think I am talking on prohibition, but drinking is against human sustenance. Now you cannot ask people to stop drinking. It’s an impossibility. If you tell anybody that, “You stop drinking,” he cannot stop. Most of the poor people so-called poor, sometimes I feel have lots of money to waste on drinking. We must see to the other side of the poor also. By giving them more money, are we really making them responsible, are we making them better people, are we making them good citizens and are we making them one with the divine force? So supposing a poor man comes to you and he is a drinking fellow. Now you cannot tell him, “Don’t drink.” If you tell him, “Don’t drink,” he’ll hit you hard. If there are ten more, that’s more danger, and such prohibition has never worked. But you’ll be amazed to know that in the Amart Nagar district there are thousands of people who have just given up drinking just like that by getting this realization. Now what is realization? If we understand in one stroke you will know that this is what we should have first and then other things should follow. Is that you by realization you get to know yourself. You get to know your own powers, which are again within. You get to know what are you and you get to know the absolute. As you said, is very true; without getting to Self-realization, you will not know what is really right and what is wrong. There cannot be any absolute value because you have not yet discovered your absolute. Everything is relative. That’s why there is a confusion. But supposing you discover, supposing I say, keep it as a hypothesis, you discover your Spirit, the absolute. If you discover that then relative whatever are the problems you know through the vibrations that are flowing through you, you can make out whether it is right or wrong. If it is wrong the vibrations will stop immediately. I’ve been saying that cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Sahaja Yoga and we have cured cancer of so many people. The other day I went to Saskar and you know there were lots of sick people around. Out of them was a blind man from the year when he was five years, and for about twenty-five years he has been a blind person. His both the pupils were turned upside down and he could not see anything; he could only see the white retina. And he started seeing within ten minutes time. If you want to write you can write to the President’s sister and ask the secretary, Mr. Madapa. There I have also cured our President, no doubt, but apart from that there was a little girl who was the daughter of a sentry who was a Muslim gentleman. And he called and he said that, “This girl cannot see at all, Mother, and she’s a young girl of seven-eight years and she’s lost her eyesight because there was a fire.” She also within five or ten minutes started seeing so clearly that she saw My husband’s suit which had white lines on it. Sahaja Yoga is the only way you can solve the troubles of the downtrodden. There’s no other way out because unless and until you are realized you have, must have seen how these social workers react. I have also been in the social work and I have seen their reaction, how they behave. Because they are imperfect. Till this instrument is put to the mains, this cannot work out properly. It is still an imperfect instrument. You must get the instrument perfected. It’s all ready. The instrument is within you; it is just to be perfected. All your diseases can be cured. Now what about poverty? Poverty, as you know is the Lakshmi tattwa. It resides in your Nabhi. The Lakshmi tattwa resides in your Nabhi and if your Nabhi chakra is cured, your Lakshmi tattwa is cured. In our country because of black magic, because of horrible gurus, because of all kinds of bad things we think about others as far as Nabhi is concerned, because of fasting, nonsensical fasting, because of going to temples and taking bad prasadas, all these things have caused the augmentation of the Nabhi chakra. Now here the Sahaja Yogis who have come have definitely gained materially. All of them have gained materially. If there is anybody can stand up and tell Me, “We have not gained.” We have had very poor people coming to us. We had one gentleman coming to us from Kalwa. He told Me, “Mother, since I have joined this Sahaja Yoga I’m very well off.” I was surprised because every time he would come from Kalwa bring Me a garland. I said, “What happened?” He said, “I don’t know but I was walking on the soil of my land every morning and suddenly one day a gentleman came to me and told me that, ‘Will you please sell me your this clay from your land, at such and such price?’ Because it’s a very good clay, very good fabric make. And he started paying me such a lot.” “Perhaps you do not realize, sir, that these vibrations are dynamic, are blessings of God and once you touch them, the Lakshmi tattwa improves just like that.” You don’t have to bother to look after the downtrodden or anything. Anybody, whether he is rich or whether he is poor, when he comes to Sahaja Yoga he gets related to the whole. This sensitivity in all the people who are doing work, good work for helping the poor, becomes really enlightened. Only by touching a thing you can cure people. By just standing there you can stop accidents. By just thinking about it you can manage the whole show. It is that is how, by going deeper into it, with a deeper being, that is the whole, the Viraat, you learn that you are a part of the whole. Only you have to be connected; the dynamic starts flowing in. But of course you cannot become very rich in Sahaja Yoga, neither very poor, because as in the nature these imbalances are never there. The other day I told you a human being grows up to, say, certain height to five, six, seven feet; that’s all, not more. Even the, say, a mango tree grows up to a certain point. The nature looks after. God looks after you. He does everything. Let us be connected only to God and He looks after this. I agree that philanthropic work is a very essential part of a country like ours. But we have to know that philanthropy is not the job of God. Human beings have created poverty. Human beings have created all these problems. So they should solve their own problems. It is not the work of God. God’s work is to bless you, to gift you. When you go to Him, when you enter into the Kingdom of God, He blesses you. Not too much, not too less, but the satisfaction and the, and the joy of owning it. Actually, we do not own anything. Whatever we own, so-called, is just a myth in our minds. Even in our poor people we have given them sometimes very wrong ideas, and they have formed the sort of a group thinking they are very poor and they can assert a political pressure and all sorts of things. You have to be careful that when we want to do something for the poor, let us do it from the within and not from the without. Actually, this is such a wonderful country. Here you don’t need much. You have seen Me: I can sleep on the street; I can move about [anywhere / any way] I like. There is no need to have too much. That’s why Gandhiji always said that we should press on our sagara. He told all the gandhivad, Gandhi, gandhian people that you should have less. But what you find, most of the gandhivadis have the greatest amount of black money, the greatest amount of diamonds and the greatest amount of money. They might wear ordinary clothes but I have heard they are not. This heart has to be changed. Unless and until you change the heart of the people, unless and until sincerely they really feel the way you feel, not only that but they just feel it as an actual feeling within themselves. For example, if there’s a poor man standing before Me, immediately I can feel his Nabhi chakra. I can put My hand on Nabhi chakra. I can solve his problem, just like this. It’s a fact; you know that. All the Sahaja Yogis who are here most of them are Sahaja Yogis will say that Mataji has done. The poorest of poorest can be touched by Lakshmi tattwa and can be cured. That is the most important part, that his Lakshmi tattwa must be cured and not his money or materia. Now the difference between Lakshmi tattwa and materia you must find out. Lakshmi tattwa is a person. He may be just an ordinary driver, but he can be like a batcha. You see, we had a driver with us for many years. He was just like a batcha, and I knew that he was like a king because he was a king in his previous life. The way he was like a batcha, that nothing would disturb him and everything would satisfy him. If you tell him that you have to wait for three hours he’ll wait. If you tell him he cannot stay here now, you can go and sleep anywhere, he’ll do. Whatever you tell him he will not hesitate and he was such a happy personality. Now, the reason is, I would say he’s better than many rich people who cannot sleep in the night and who are all the time thinking about dirty tricks that they are going to try and many of these politicians who are just planning all the time all the dirty designs. We have to purify ourselves from within. Poverty is just a mere myth of that symptom. Now to say that people are very much tortured, I know that they are being, of course, very much put down. But what is the solution you have? If the solution is to give them some money, or to have them money wise or to just put little cure, that is not going to help. You have to awaken their Lakshmi tattwa. I am going to the essence, to the base of it, from where the problem comes in. Lakshmi stands with one hand like this, one hand like this and with two kamala in Her hand and She is a woman with a very simple sari, white sari. Be sure a Lakshmi pati, a person who has got Lakshmi, the satisfaction of Lakshmi has always a way of giving. All the time he is giving. If the Lakshmi tattwa of all these so-called multi-millionaires is awakened they will be frightened of keeping all these black money with them and extracting the blood of the poor. If the Lakshmi tattwa of the poor is enlightened they’ll be ashamed of begging and being parasites. No use developing parasite tendencies into them. A parasite is to be hated like leprosy. In this country we have had enough of this beggary. Our leaders also have become greatest beggars of the world. All over the world if you go, you feel so ashamed. It does not matter if half of this country is damned because they can be born again. But live with your self-respect. This kind of beggary that is on and this kind of begging that we are doing with other countries is so shameful for us because God has given us such a blessing of this yoga bhoomi. What a mess we have made out of it by not understanding our own values, our own culture and our own heritage that we have got from God. This is the only country in the whole world which is yoga-oriented. Do you understand the importance of this country? Not only that it is yoga-oriented but also, also it is a punya bhoomi. Here all the great saints have come and lived. Even Zoroaster whom Parsees worship is nothing but an incarnation of Datattreya, and you know how we worship him in our Sahaja Yoga, how we worship Mohamed Sahib in our Sahaja Yoga, how we understand where He stands within us. The deeper, the intercurrence of all these problems of the whole world can be solved by you people, the Indians. You are being blessed to be Indians in this country and not to feel so bad if you don’t have one helicopter or one transistor. Poverty is of the mind, I can tell you. It’s not more of eating or non-eating. If a person has a mind which is sickening he may be the multi-millionaire still he’ll be crying, “I don’t have this. I don’t have that.” Nothing can satisfy human beings, and you know the economics law is such that, “No want is satiable in general.” In particular, everything is satisfied but nobody is satisfied. With Sahaja Yoga you can give them satisfaction and self-respect. Develop their self-respect. Teach them how to come up, not to look after them as just downtrodden. I have had a very good opportunity of working for a blind school here. And the blind school people wanted to collect money and this and that and all that, and I said, “Nothing doing. You are not to make them begging girls. They can all work out something for themselves.” They started working out. Then they made some nice things and bed covers and this and that. So they said, “Now, who will market?” I said, “You go all out to do the marketing for them.” But then I told them that in Japan I was surprised that the blind were taught massage. I said, “You give them realization and let them do massage. If a realized blind person gives massaging, all these foreigners would be paying them at least hundred rupees per massage, minimum. And if that person is blind it’s much easier to do the massage.” But the people could not accept this kind of a thing. They said, “No, no, Mataji, then, You see, You should not give them realization.” Here we lack the understanding of the depth of our problem. They, they said, “Mataji, how can You give realization to these blind [too/people]?” And the blind people would have got it in no time. Only they could have been cured and they would have had this realization. But because that organization belongs to other great people of great thinking and wisdom they would not accept such a situation where I would say, “All right, you bring all your blind and I’ll try to give them their eyesight.” They are not willing to accept this. I will tell you a very simple example that I cured a leukemia of a little boy of ten years who was a patient of blood, blood cancer patient in Delhi. Of course, we never charge a single pie. No Sahaja Yogis allow to charge a single pie for whatever he does; you know that. Not a single pie. And this boy was cured. He was brought by Doctor Mulher, and Doctor Mulher referred Me to the medical institute. The medical institute came to Me and just see what was their proposition, “You give us the list of people whom You have cured, how You have cured, where they live and all.” I said, “For what? I’m not asking for any money. Nothing is selling here. You are as if you are going into cross-examination, as if I am out here for any donation from you. You just come and see for yourselves. I don’t write the names of people whom I give food or how many morsels they have eaten. This is My love that is flowing. It’s My love that is working out. You people can’t understand love. You want Me to write down all the people I have cured. I refuse to do it.” This is the way they look at a thing. They do not know the power of love for us now. It is necessary first to generate the power of love through Sahaja Yoga. It is very easy. Sahaja Yoga is not the blessing of one year or one yuga but of all the yugas. You have to get it. You have to get to know your Atma. You have to know your Self, and the Last Judgment is here now. There is no need to think of another Last Judgment coming in. Here, now, by knowing your Atma you will get the power of God flowing through you, like when I put it to the mains, the power starts flowing through us. And then this power can communicate that dynamic power. What is this poverty? It’s at the Feet of that Lord. You can just throw it away. I agree that going to temples and churches there is no God. But even going to poor will not help, I can tell you this much today, but going to the roots of poverty, by understanding why there is poverty and why human beings behave like this. You have to transform the whole thing. You are still in the flower state. You all have to become fruits. All of us have to become fruits today. If we are not fruits we cannot solve the problem of our country and of another country. If this takes place, if this tremendous transformation takes place in our country today, then the whole world is going to be led by us, and in any case it is going to be led, which I am sure, hundred per cent sure, that the time it’s coming when the whole world will have to listen to us on this point to solve their problems. There are countries, communist countries are there; people have everything. I’ve been to all the countries. I’ve been to Russia. Those who talk of communism should go to Russia and see for themselves. Those who talk of capitalism should go to America and see for themselves how stupid and silly and useless people they have been, how their society is finished. Money cannot bring you happiness. If you want to make people happy then awaken their Nabhi chakra, as they call it, or you can call it the Lakshmi tattwa. And the Lakshmi tattwa can only be awakened, only be awakened through Sahaja Yoga by which the whole country will be transformed. Like you go to a barren garden and you see the garden absolutely in a barren condition. Suddenly water comes in and the power of the water generates all that affluence, and suddenly you find the whole place bubbling with joy, and that’s what is going to happen to this our country, which people think as to be poor. Still I would say we may be poor outwardly because we don’t have very good clothes maybe, according to them, and we don’t have too many plastics with us. What is their affluence? It’s nothing but plastics and rubbers. They eat plastics and they sleep on rubbers. They don’t even have so much of natural cotton with them. Our affluence is our yoga, is our power, our sustenance, our humanity, and our humanity has to be sustained. We have to have many more people like Mr. Vijay Merchant who think of the whole, of the all the people who are suffering, but philanthropy of Sahaja Yoga is different because for Me who is the other? When somebody is just a part and parcel of My being, itself my finger is paining; I’m just rubbing it and I must do it. For that I don’t have to awaken people; they just get it. You just stand near a person, you get a headache and you ask the person, “Have you got a headache?” “Yes.” You rub your head and rub his head and just finish it off. You just cannot help it because the macrocosm, the Viraat, informs you when you are one with it that, “see, the other fellow is suffering.” You become that. You become collectively conscious. It is not a lecture or anything but it’s a becoming within you that you start feeling on your fingers, on your fingertips, what are the centers catching, what is the problem of the other person, how to cure it, what to do it. Everything, all this knowledge is given in Sahaja Yoga, absolutely free. Out of so many who are sitting here you can ask how many have been suffering from diseases have been cured completely, and since they have been realized not a single pie has been given to the doctors. It is not necessary to look after your health, not necessary to do much about it. We have had people who have had three heart attacks and now they are going strong. We have had people who had leukemia, who had all kinds of diseases. Today you won’t believe they ever had that disease because now the inside is completely into balance, integrated and blessed by God’s divine power within you. This is our heritage. We have to cash on it. And by this only we are going to remove the poverty, one day you will see, and not by patching up few things. I would request Mr. Vijay Merchant and we have another great social worker with us, is Gidubai Kotak, that you should pay little more attention to our Sahaja Yoga and see the dynamics of the Sahaja Yoga. You’ll be amazed how one person, the person who spoke to you just now, was from Rahuri, these two persons. They have given realization to ten thousands people. Just go and see their houses. Just go and see their children. They are bubbling with joy, with happiness, and you do not see any poverty in their hearts at all. Their hearts have been enriched and they are doing so well. Because the energy comes within you, the Saraswati tattwa is also enlightened and you start thinking as to what is to be done and how to, how to make your life happy. But money is not everything; food is not everything. Unless and until you get to know your Atma you can never be happy. So go to the roots and it’s so easy. You don’t have to pay anything. You don’t have to have many organization, nothing. It just works, just like this. So why worry and why just think of something terrible? Now more we are ahead, talk to Gidubai also that they were enamored by one guru who were showing some miracles. And I, I had met somebody from Morvi who came to see Me, and I told him that you just don’t have anything to do with this horrible fellow, because a day will come when Kalki is at work and there will be destruction. He wouldn’t listen to Me. I went to Andhra. For your information I tell you I went to Andhra. I told to Andhra people that, “You don’t grow this tobacco.” In Andhra there are two types of people: one who are making lots of money; the other are the so-called poor who are doing lot of black magic. I talked to both of them. I told them, “Don’t do black magic because if you do black magic Lakshmi tattwa will disappear.” If the black magic comes from this side, the Lakshmi goes from the other side. And they just didn’t listen to Me. And I talked to these people who were growing tobacco. They wouldn’t listen. There are on three tapes, there is a lecture, where I said that the sea is the incarnation of Datattreya. It will take a respite, I, believe Me. And that’s what has happened with it. We have to understand that God knows all of us. He knows us in masses, and He knows where we are going and what we are doing. Your Bombay has escaped recently a very big drought. But please take heed and take to God. It is no question of going to Himalayas, of course, and no question of running away from it. But get it within yourself, try, as many as you can bring in here, if the saints are there. Those who are Sahaja Yogis are saints. Then God definitely will bless you, definitely will bless you. And the same people who are realized today have done tremendous work in the villages. They have emancipated so many villages without any money, without anything. When I go in the villages I’m really surprised how people get cured, how they are helped, how they get energetic, how they understand things. It’s most amazing. So the power of all the powers, that is the power of God’s Love, let us take to it. Let us take advantage of Him and leave everything in the hands of God. Only get Him into everyone you think who is suffering. You get Me hundred people who are suffering, I will see to them. Today if the whole hall was filled I would have cured all of them. You know that I have done it. It is not difficult. It is no boasting. It’s a fact. It’s a fact. It works in five minutes, for so many people can get it. But people do not want to face reality and they do not want to attend to it. Now we have already so many Sahaja Yogis in Bombay. So you can imagine I’ve worked here for nine years. We have some more of course in the outer centers but here in the center we have so many or little more. So you can see how people are. And the work you are doing from outside, it’s all like a blind person going doing this work, that work, that work, that work. Politicians also think they are doing great work. All right, they are doing. Social workers are also doing great work. Everybody’s doing. But there’s no coordination, there’s no integration and there’s no satisfaction of what one is doing. The reason is all of them belong to the one whole and they have not yet connected with the whole, which one has to do. We are finding our wholesomeness all over the world, whether we are Indians, Americans or anything. We are all just trying to find out our wholesomeness, and the answer is Sahaja Yoga. It is Sahaja Yoga. There’s no other answer to anyone of these problems. Today I am telling you, again you can tell Me afterwards. You give Me your problems. You tell Me who are the downtrodden. Let Me see. Let Me see who are the downtrodden. Now you, somebody wanted Me to go and see the fishermen. I said, “All right, I’ll go and see them.” I’m sure if I, they get realization, their fishery will improve, definitely, hundred per cent; I’m sure of it. Everything improves because God’s blessings are there and God has got the six qualities which makes Him Bhagwan. It’s one of them is Shubha, Auspicious. Another is Kalyan. Another is Aishwary [GW: Ishwari?]. Like these the six qualities of God. These six qualities emit from the being, and once you face it you get it. You want to do Kalyan;, all right, then face people to God, and this is the way by which you can face it. You don’t have to organize churches and temples or anything. It’s just the energy which has to flow, Shakti that has to flow. Like you can see a wood is lying there, has nothing. But if you enlighten it, it gives you light, fire, everything. In the same way enlightenment is the only way to solve the problem, and all of us should try to enlighten as many people as possible. Our work, of course, is more for the middle class because the extremes do not take to us. But when the middle course increases, the river flows on both the sides. She can feed on the both the sides. Gradually the both the sides can also join [them], but the depth is in the center, in the madhya marga, and there it works out. It is only the middle class, which can work it out because they have the values necessary, they have the feelings necessary and they have the blessings necessary because they lead a very normal life. Once they learn their swimming they must know themselves before helping others. You must help yourself., you must become yourself, before you help others. Once they achieve that, they can easy help, easy help others and that has been done. It is such a silent work of Sahaja Yoga that we have not maintain any statistics. We have not yet been able to say. Here there are people who have given realization to minimum of ten thousands or eight thousands people. There are people who have cured thousands of people who are sitting here just like ordinary people, but they don’t know about it and they’ll say, “We didn’t do, Mother. It just worked. It was just happening. It happened.” So this is what is a very dynamic force. I would request all the social workers to open their eyes to this tremendous discovery that has come to our country and to see for themselves what it is like, what it means. It transforms a personality into such a dynamic web that an ordinary boy can become a great cricket player. An ordinary musician can become a great musician. An ordinarily dull boy can become a first class student. It has happened. There are many who will say it has happen in their cases. So many things have happen like this, and so we have to depend on the mercy of God for this. Only thing is we have to desire and ask for it. I think, the other day I had a talk with one of the political leaders. I said, “Politics without adhyatma has no life.” In the same way I’ll say, “Social work without adhyatma has no meaning.” Without adhyatma, without the Atma in it, without the Spirit of God in it, you are doing it because in you something is dying, in you something is feeling, that what is feeling in you is the part of the whole. So know the whole and you’ll be so dynamic. You’ll be so great and the whole thing will flow from you and you can really help thousands of people. I hope, it’s a good thing today we have two great social workers here and I put forward to them this kind of a proposition. So on behalf of all the Sahaja Yogis we render all our services. Any number of downtrodden people you have got, you send them over to our centers and we’ll see to them. May God bless you all.

Advent Seminar at Sundrabai Hall. Mumbai, India. 29 September 1979. Shri Mataji: Shri Vijay Merchant, Mr. Rakure, all the Sahaja Yogis who have come here to express their love for Me and all the rest of the people who are in the search of truth. It was really a very gracious of Shri Merchant to come and inaugurate this book. I have been from My childhood watching his cricket. I must say I’m quite a big cricket fan Myself. I think cricket is the game which is really Sahaja, between one extreme of football and another boring game of golf. And I always have been appreciating the way he has been managing our teams and has been such a good captain to our country and I’ve been admiring him, the way he has been able to handle the glory in the field of cricket. Even after that, instead of wasting his life like all other successful people of this life in retirement, he’s doing such a great work, and such a feeling he has for all the downtrodden and the poor people of this country shows that he is a very sensitive personality. I’m very thankful to him the way he is being kind to all of us and have been here and spoke to us about his own work. I agree with him entirely that the downtrodden or the ones who are not so well off as we are or, we can say, the one who is not such a good batsman, the weaker one, has to be helped and sustained by the stronger one. This is exactly what we are doing in Sahaja Yoga. What we are doing in Sahaja Yoga is that we are reaching to the roots of poverty. We are not just trying to do the, do the patchwork of just improving the material conditions of people. Because you have seen in the world people there have been very affluent in the countries like Switzerland and Sweden where people are very affluent and they are committing suicide. The maximum number of suicides are coming from Sweden. I’ve informed you last time that we had some people coming from Sweden and their vibrations were something like the dead bodies. We have to know the roots of our troubles first of all. If we just try to treat the symptoms we cannot go too far. And maybe that we may cure one symptom but may cure another symptom. I’ll give you a very simple example of My husband’s sensitivity to his organization which is World Shipping Corporation. He is another philanthropic gentleman and he wanted to do a lot of good for the drivers who were in the organization. And he said, “Their pay is very little, and the women and the men are really living in substandard conditions. We must do something about them.” And so he started raising their pay. After three months or so suddenly I had a call from a lady. She said, “We are the wives of the drivers and we want to come and see You.” I said, “It’s a good idea. You all must come and see Me,” because in Shipping Corporation I always had a very motherly role towards all the employees, and they would always come and tell Me if they thought that it would be difficult to talk to My husband. Now they came round and they told Me that, “It’s nice that he has given us lot of pay, but do our drivers know how to handle that additional money? Now they have taken to drinking, they have taken to bad women and they are not even giving us money what they were giving us.” What is the basic root of poverty? It is not God. It is human beings, the human beings who have got too much ambitions, human beings who are all the time running after the mirage of money. In money-oriented societies of the West have created this kind of mentality, even in the East where people want to have everything of the world. They want to have today the house, tomorrow the car, day after tomorrow the helicopter. Maybe they may like to have even a big jumbo jet to themselves. How do you curb this? Unless and until you bring those people who are en-massing these money too much and extracting the money from the poor and on the other hand the poor who do not feel responsible enough to create work for themselves and not to be parasites on anyone. These two factors must to be tackled at the same time, and Sahaja Yoga is the only way you can win. Now you must have seen that in Sahaja Yoga mostly the people of about middle class people are there. Very poor people are also there; we have lots of poor people from the villages. In the Sahaja Yoga when the Kundalini rises you get your own power within yourselves by which you feel satisfied, and this too much of hankering after money, position and all that dies out and such a person himself thinks of the others who are around, because on his vibrations he can feel and he can feel the needs of others. As far the sick that are poor or sick who are the rich, even diseases like cancer and leprosy can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga. We treat people without taking a single pie. We have cured thousands of people all over the world without taking a single pie from them, whether they are poor, rich or anything. Mentally there are many people who are disturbed. For example, most of the money of the poor goes for drinking. They drink like fishes. They waste their energy in drinking. You might think I am talking on prohibition, but drinking is against human sustenance. Now you cannot ask people to stop drinking. It’s an impossibility. If you tell anybody that, “You stop drinking,” he cannot stop. Most of the poor people so-called poor, sometimes I feel have lots of money to waste on drinking. We must see to the other side of the poor also. By giving them more money, are we really making them responsible, are we making them better people, are we making them good citizens and are we making them one with the divine force? So supposing a poor man comes to you and he is a drinking fellow. Now you cannot tell him, “Don’t drink.” If you tell him, “Don’t drink,” he’ll hit you hard. If there are ten more, that’s more danger, and such prohibition has never worked. But you’ll be amazed to know that in the Amart Nagar district there are thousands of people who have just given up drinking just like that by getting this realization. Now what is realization? If we understand in one stroke you will know that this is what we should have first and then other things should follow. Is that you by realization you get to know yourself. You get to know your own powers, which are again within. You get to know what are you and you get to know the absolute. As you said, is very true; without getting to Self-realization, you will not know what is really right and what is wrong. There cannot be any absolute value because you have not yet discovered your absolute. Everything is relative. That’s why there is a confusion. But supposing you discover, supposing I say, keep it as a hypothesis, you discover your Spirit, the absolute. If you discover that then relative whatever are the problems you know through the vibrations that are flowing through you, you can make out whether it is right or wrong. If it is wrong the vibrations will stop immediately. I’ve been saying that cancer cannot be cured by anything else but Sahaja Yoga and we have cured cancer of so many people. The other day I went to Saskar and you know there were lots of sick people around. Out of them was a blind man from the year when he was five years, and for about twenty-five years he has been a blind person. His both the pupils were turned upside down and he could not see anything; he could only see the white retina. And he started seeing within ten minutes time. If you want to write you can write to the President’s sister and ask the secretary, Mr. Madapa. There I have also cured our President, no doubt, but apart from that there was a little girl who was the daughter of a sentry who was a Muslim gentleman. And he called and he said that, “This girl cannot see at all, Mother, and she’s a young girl of seven-eight years and she’s lost her eyesight because there was a fire.” She also within five or ten minutes started seeing so clearly that she saw My husband’s suit which had white lines on it. Sahaja Yoga is the only way you can solve the troubles of the downtrodden. There’s no other way out because unless and until you are realized you have, must have seen how these social workers react. I have also been in the social work and I have seen their reaction, how they behave. Because they are imperfect. Till this instrument is put to the mains, this cannot work out properly. It is still an imperfect instrument. You must get the instrument perfected. It’s all ready. The instrument is within you; it is just to be perfected. All your diseases can be cured. Now what about poverty? Poverty, as you know is the Lakshmi tattwa. It resides in your Nabhi. The Lakshmi tattwa resides in your Nabhi and if your Nabhi chakra is cured, your Lakshmi tattwa is cured. In our country because of black magic, because of horrible gurus, because of all kinds of bad things we think about others as far as Nabhi is concerned, because of fasting, nonsensical fasting, because of going to temples and taking bad prasadas, all these things have caused the augmentation of the Nabhi chakra. Now here the Sahaja Yogis who have come have definitely gained materially. All of them have gained materially. If there is anybody can stand up and tell Me, “We have not gained.” We have had very poor people coming to us. We had one gentleman coming to us from Kalwa. He told Me, “Mother, since I have joined this Sahaja Yoga I’m very well off.” I was surprised because every time he would come from Kalwa bring Me a garland. I said, “What happened?” He said, “I don’t know but I was walking on the soil of my land every morning and suddenly one day a gentleman came to me and told me that, ‘Will you please sell me your this clay from your land, at such and such price?’ Because it’s a very good clay, very good fabric make. And he started paying me such a lot.” “Perhaps you do not realize, sir, that these vibrations are dynamic, are blessings of God and once you touch them, the Lakshmi tattwa improves just like that.” You don’t have to bother to look after the downtrodden or anything. Anybody, whether he is rich or whether he is poor, when he comes to Sahaja Yoga he gets related to the whole. This sensitivity in all the people who are doing work, good work for helping the poor, becomes really enlightened. Only by touching a thing you can cure people. By just standing there you can stop accidents. By just thinking about it you can manage the whole show. It is that is how, by going deeper into it, with a deeper being, that is the whole, the Viraat, you learn that you are a part of the whole. Only you have to be connected; the dynamic starts flowing in. But of course you cannot become very rich in Sahaja Yoga, neither very poor, because as in the nature these imbalances are never there. The other day I told you a human being grows up to, say, certain height to five, six, seven feet; that’s all, not more. Even the, say, a mango tree grows up to a certain point. The nature looks after. God looks after you. He does everything. Let us be connected only to God and He looks after this. I agree that philanthropic work is a very essential part of a country like ours. But we have to know that philanthropy is not the job of God. Human beings have created poverty. Human beings have created all these problems. So they should solve their own problems. It is not the work of God. God’s work is to bless you, to gift you. When you go to Him, when you enter into the Kingdom of God, He blesses you. Not too much, not too less, but the satisfaction and the, and the joy of owning it. Actually, we do not own anything. Whatever we own, so-called, is just a myth in our minds. Even in our poor people we have given them sometimes very wrong ideas, and they have formed the sort of a group thinking they are very poor and they can assert a political pressure and all sorts of things. You have to be careful that when we want to do something for the poor, let us do it from the within and not from the without. Actually, this is such a wonderful country. Here you don’t need much. You have seen Me: I can sleep on the street; I can move about [anywhere / any way] I like. There is no need to have too much. That’s why Gandhiji always said that we should press on our sagara. He told all the gandhivad, Gandhi, gandhian people that you should have less. But what you find, most of the gandhivadis have the greatest amount of black money, the greatest amount of diamonds and the greatest amount of money. They might wear ordinary clothes but I have heard they are not. This heart has to be changed. Unless and until you change the heart of the people, unless and until sincerely they really feel the way you feel, not only that but they just feel it as an actual feeling within themselves. For example, if there’s a poor man standing before Me, immediately I can feel his Nabhi chakra. I can put My hand on Nabhi chakra. I can solve his problem, just like this. It’s a fact; you know that. All the Sahaja Yogis who are here most of them are Sahaja Yogis will say that Mataji has done. The poorest of poorest can be touched by Lakshmi tattwa and can be cured. That is the most important part, that his Lakshmi tattwa must be cured and not his money or materia. Now the difference between Lakshmi tattwa and materia you must find out. Lakshmi tattwa is a person. He may be just an ordinary driver, but he can be like a batcha. You see, we had a driver with us for many years. He was just like a batcha, and I knew that he was like a king because he was a king in his previous life. The way he was like a batcha, that nothing would disturb him and everything would satisfy him. If you tell him that you have to wait for three hours he’ll wait. If you tell him he cannot stay here now, you can go and sleep anywhere, he’ll do. Whatever you tell him he will not hesitate and he was such a happy personality. Now, the reason is, I would say he’s better than many rich people who cannot sleep in the night and who are all the time thinking about dirty tricks that they are going to try and many of these politicians who are just planning all the time all the dirty designs. We have to purify ourselves from within. Poverty is just a mere myth of that symptom. Now to say that people are very much tortured, I know that they are being, of course, very much put down. But what is the solution you have? If the solution is to give them some money, or to have them money wise or to just put little cure, that is not going to help. You have to awaken their Lakshmi tattwa. I am going to the essence, to the base of it, from where the problem comes in. Lakshmi stands with one hand like this, one hand like this and with two kamala in Her hand and She is a woman with a very simple sari, white sari. Be sure a Lakshmi pati, a person who has got Lakshmi, the satisfaction of Lakshmi has always a way of giving. All the time he is giving. If the Lakshmi tattwa of all these so-called multi-millionaires is awakened they will be frightened of keeping all these black money with them and extracting the blood of the poor. If the Lakshmi tattwa of the poor is enlightened they’ll be ashamed of begging and being parasites. No use developing parasite tendencies into them. A parasite is to be hated like leprosy. In this country we have had enough of this beggary. Our leaders also have become greatest beggars of the world. All over the world if you go, you feel so ashamed. It does not matter if half of this country is damned because they can be born again. But live with your self-respect. This kind of beggary that is on and this kind of begging that we are doing with other countries is so shameful for us because God has given us such a blessing of this yoga bhoomi. What a mess we have made out of it by not understanding our own values, our own culture and our own heritage that we have got from God. This is the only country in the whole world which is yoga-oriented. Do you understand the importance of this country? Not only that it is yoga-oriented but also, also it is a punya bhoomi. Here all the great saints have come and lived. Even Zoroaster whom Parsees worship is nothing but an incarnation of Datattreya, and you know how we worship him in our Sahaja Yoga, how we worship Mohamed Sahib in our Sahaja Yoga, how we understand where He stands within us. The deeper, the intercurrence of all these problems of the whole world can be solved by you people, the Indians. You are being blessed to be Indians in this country and not to feel so bad if you don’t have one helicopter or one transistor. Poverty is of the mind, I can tell you. It’s not more of eating or non-eating. If a person has a mind which is sickening he may be the multi-millionaire still he’ll be crying, “I don’t have this. I don’t have that.” Nothing can satisfy human beings, and you know the economics law is such that, “No want is satiable in general.” In particular, everything is satisfied but nobody is satisfied. With Sahaja Yoga you can give them satisfaction and self-respect. Develop their self-respect. Teach them how to come up, not to look after them as just downtrodden. I have had a very good opportunity of working for a blind school here. And the blind school people wanted to collect money and this and that and all that, and I said, “Nothing doing. You are not to make them begging girls. They can all work out something for themselves.” They started working out. Then they made some nice things and bed covers and this and that. So they said, “Now, who will market?” I said, “You go all out to do the marketing for them.” But then I told them that in Japan I was surprised that the blind were taught massage. I said, “You give them realization and let them do massage. If a realized blind person gives massaging, all these foreigners would be paying them at least hundred rupees per massage, minimum. And if that person is blind it’s much easier to do the massage.” But the people could not accept this kind of a thing. They said, “No, no, Mataji, then, You see, You should not give them realization.” Here we lack the understanding of the depth of our problem. They, they said, “Mataji, how can You give realization to these blind [too/people]?” And the blind people would have got it in no time. Only they could have been cured and they would have had this realization. But because that organization belongs to other great people of great thinking and wisdom they would not accept such a situation where I would say, “All right, you bring all your blind and I’ll try to give them their eyesight.” They are not willing to accept this. I will tell you a very simple example that I cured a leukemia of a little boy of ten years who was a patient of blood, blood cancer patient in Delhi. Of course, we never charge a single pie. No Sahaja Yogis allow to charge a single pie for whatever he does; you know that. Not a single pie. And this boy was cured. He was brought by Doctor Mulher, and Doctor Mulher referred Me to the medical institute. The medical institute came to Me and just see what was their proposition, “You give us the list of people whom You have cured, how You have cured, where they live and all.” I said, “For what? I’m not asking for any money. Nothing is selling here. You are as if you are going into cross-examination, as if I am out here for any donation from you. You just come and see for yourselves. I don’t write the names of people whom I give food or how many morsels they have eaten. This is My love that is flowing. It’s My love that is working out. You people can’t understand love. You want Me to write down all the people I have cured. I refuse to do it.” This is the way they look at a thing. They do not know the power of love for us now. It is necessary first to generate the power of love through Sahaja Yoga. It is very easy. Sahaja Yoga is not the blessing of one year or one yuga but of all the yugas. You have to get it. You have to get to know your Atma. You have to know your Self, and the Last Judgment is here now. There is no need to think of another Last Judgment coming in. Here, now, by knowing your Atma you will get the power of God flowing through you, like when I put it to the mains, the power starts flowing through us. And then this power can communicate that dynamic power. What is this poverty? It’s at the Feet of that Lord. You can just throw it away. I agree that going to temples and churches there is no God. But even going to poor will not help, I can tell you this much today, but going to the roots of poverty, by understanding why there is poverty and why human beings behave like this. You have to transform the whole thing. You are still in the flower state. You all have to become fruits. All of us have to become fruits today. If we are not fruits we cannot solve the problem of our country and of another country. If this takes place, if this tremendous transformation takes place in our country today, then the whole world is going to be led by us, and in any case it is going to be led, which I am sure, hundred per cent sure, that the time it’s coming when the whole world will have to listen to us on this point to solve their problems. There are countries, communist countries are there; people have everything. I’ve been to all the countries. I’ve been to Russia. Those who talk of communism should go to Russia and see for themselves. Those who talk of capitalism should go to America and see for themselves how stupid and silly and useless people they have been, how their society is finished. Money cannot bring you happiness. If you want to make people happy then awaken their Nabhi chakra, as they call it, or you can call it the Lakshmi tattwa. And the Lakshmi tattwa can only be awakened, only be awakened through Sahaja Yoga by which the whole country will be transformed. Like you go to a barren garden and you see the garden absolutely in a barren condition. Suddenly water comes in and the power of the water generates all that affluence, and suddenly you find the whole place bubbling with joy, and that’s what is going to happen to this our country, which people think as to be poor. Still I would say we may be poor outwardly because we don’t have very good clothes maybe, according to them, and we don’t have too many plastics with us. What is their affluence? It’s nothing but plastics and rubbers. They eat plastics and they sleep on rubbers. They don’t even have so much of natural cotton with them. Our affluence is our yoga, is our power, our sustenance, our humanity, and our humanity has to be sustained. We have to have many more people like Mr. Vijay Merchant who think of the whole, of the all the people who are suffering, but philanthropy of Sahaja Yoga is different because for Me who is the other? When somebody is just a part and parcel of My being, itself my finger is paining; I’m just rubbing it and I must do it. For that I don’t have to awaken people; they just get it. You just stand near a person, you get a headache and you ask the person, “Have you got a headache?” “Yes.” You rub your head and rub his head and just finish it off. You just cannot help it because the macrocosm, the Viraat, informs you when you are one with it that, “see, the other fellow is suffering.” You become that. You become collectively conscious. It is not a lecture or anything but it’s a becoming within you that you start feeling on your fingers, on your fingertips, what are the centers catching, what is the problem of the other person, how to cure it, what to do it. Everything, all this knowledge is given in Sahaja Yoga, absolutely free. Out of so many who are sitting here you can ask how many have been suffering from diseases have been cured completely, and since they have been realized not a single pie has been given to the doctors. It is not necessary to look after your health, not necessary to do much about it. We have had people who have had three heart attacks and now they are going strong. We have had people who had leukemia, who had all kinds of diseases. Today you won’t believe they ever had that disease because now the inside is completely into balance, integrated and blessed by God’s divine power within you. This is our heritage. We have to cash on it. And by this only we are going to remove the poverty, one day you will see, and not by patching up few things. I would request Mr. Vijay Merchant and we have another great social worker with us, is Gidubai Kotak, that you should pay little more attention to our Sahaja Yoga and see the dynamics of the Sahaja Yoga. You’ll be amazed how one person, the person who spoke to you just now, was from Rahuri, these two persons. They have given realization to ten thousands people. Just go and see their houses. Just go and see their children. They are bubbling with joy, with happiness, and you do not see any poverty in their hearts at all. Their hearts have been enriched and they are doing so well. Because the energy comes within you, the Saraswati tattwa is also enlightened and you start thinking as to what is to be done and how to, how to make your life happy. But money is not everything; food is not everything. Unless and until you get to know your Atma you can never be happy. So go to the roots and it’s so easy. You don’t have to pay anything. You don’t have to have many organization, nothing. It just works, just like this. So why worry and why just think of something terrible? Now more we are ahead, talk to Gidubai also that they were enamored by one guru who were showing some miracles. And I, I had met somebody from Morvi who came to see Me, and I told him that you just don’t have anything to do with this horrible fellow, because a day will come when Kalki is at work and there will be destruction. He wouldn’t listen to Me. I went to Andhra. For your information I tell you I went to Andhra. I told to Andhra people that, “You don’t grow this tobacco.” In Andhra there are two types of people: one who are making lots of money; the other are the so-called poor who are doing lot of black magic. I talked to both of them. I told them, “Don’t do black magic because if you do black magic Lakshmi tattwa will disappear.” If the black magic comes from this side, the Lakshmi goes from the other side. And they just didn’t listen to Me. And I talked to these people who were growing tobacco. They wouldn’t listen. There are on three tapes, there is a lecture, where I said that the sea is the incarnation of Datattreya. It will take a respite, I, believe Me. And that’s what has happened with it. We have to understand that God knows all of us. He knows us in masses, and He knows where we are going and what we are doing. Your Bombay has escaped recently a very big drought. But please take heed and take to God. It is no question of going to Himalayas, of course, and no question of running away from it. But get it within yourself, try, as many as you can bring in here, if the saints are there. Those who are Sahaja Yogis are saints. Then God definitely will bless you, definitely will bless you. And the same people who are realized today have done tremendous work in the villages. They have emancipated so many villages without any money, without anything. When I go in the villages I’m really surprised how people get cured, how they are helped, how they get energetic, how they understand things. It’s most amazing. So the power of all the powers, that is the power of God’s Love, let us take to it. Let us take advantage of Him and leave everything in the hands of God. Only get Him into everyone you think who is suffering. You get Me hundred people who are suffering, I will see to them. Today if the whole hall was filled I would have cured all of them. You know that I have done it. It is not difficult. It is no boasting. It’s a fact. It’s a fact. It works in five minutes, for so many people can get it. But people do not want to face reality and they do not want to attend to it. Now we have already so many Sahaja Yogis in Bombay. So you can imagine I’ve worked here for nine years. We have some more of course in the outer centers but here in the center we have so many or little more. So you can see how people are. And the work you are doing from outside, it’s all like a blind person going doing this work, that work, that work, that work. Politicians also think they are doing great work. All right, they are doing. Social workers are also doing great work. Everybody’s doing. But there’s no coordination, there’s no integration and there’s no satisfaction of what one is doing. The reason is all of them belong to the one whole and they have not yet connected with the whole, which one has to do. We are finding our wholesomeness all over the world, whether we are Indians, Americans or anything. We are all just trying to find out our wholesomeness, and the answer is Sahaja Yoga. It is Sahaja Yoga. There’s no other answer to anyone of these problems. Today I am telling you, again you can tell Me afterwards. You give Me your problems. You tell Me who are the downtrodden. Let Me see. Let Me see who are the downtrodden. Now you, somebody wanted Me to go and see the fishermen. I said, “All right, I’ll go and see them.” I’m sure if I, they get realization, their fishery will improve, definitely, hundred per cent; I’m sure of it. Everything improves because God’s blessings are there and God has got the six qualities which makes Him Bhagwan. It’s one of them is Shubha, Auspicious. Another is Kalyan. Another is Aishwary [GW: Ishwari?]. Like these the six qualities of God. These six qualities emit from the being, and once you face it you get it. You want to do Kalyan;, all right, then face people to God, and this is the way by which you can face it. You don’t have to organize churches and temples or anything. It’s just the energy which has to flow, Shakti that has to flow. Like you can see a wood is lying there, has nothing. But if you enlighten it, it gives you light, fire, everything. In the same way enlightenment is the only way to solve the problem, and all of us should try to enlighten as many people as possible. Our work, of course, is more for the middle class because the extremes do not take to us. But when the middle course increases, the river flows on both the sides. She can feed on the both the sides. Gradually the both the sides can also join [them], but the depth is in the center, in the madhya marga, and there it works out. It is only the middle class, which can work it out because they have the values necessary, they have the feelings necessary and they have the blessings necessary because they lead a very normal life. Once they learn their swimming they must know themselves before helping others. You must help yourself., you must become yourself, before you help others. Once they achieve that, they can easy help, easy help others and that has been done. It is such a silent work of Sahaja Yoga that we have not maintain any statistics. We have not yet been able to say. Here there are people who have given realization to minimum of ten thousands or eight thousands people. There are people who have cured thousands of people who are sitting here just like ordinary people, but they don’t know about it and they’ll say, “We didn’t do, Mother. It just worked. It was just happening. It happened.” So this is what is a very dynamic force. I would request all the social workers to open their eyes to this tremendous discovery that has come to our country and to see for themselves what it is like, what it means. It transforms a personality into such a dynamic web that an ordinary boy can become a great cricket player. An ordinary musician can become a great musician. An ordinarily dull boy can become a first class student. It has happened. There are many who will say it has happen in their cases. So many things have happen like this, and so we have to depend on the mercy of God for this. Only thing is we have to desire and ask for it. I think, the other day I had a talk with one of the political leaders. I said, “Politics without adhyatma has no life.” In the same way I’ll say, “Social work without adhyatma has no meaning.” Without adhyatma, without the Atma in it, without the Spirit of God in it, you are doing it because in you something is dying, in you something is feeling, that what is feeling in you is the part of the whole. So know the whole and you’ll be so dynamic. You’ll be so great and the whole thing will flow from you and you can really help thousands of people. I hope, it’s a good thing today we have two great social workers here and I put forward to them this kind of a proposition. So on behalf of all the Sahaja Yogis we render all our services. Any number of downtrodden people you have got, you send them over to our centers and we’ll see to them. May God bless you all.

9/30/1979

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9th Day of Navaratri Celebrations, Eve of Navaratr, Puja & Havan

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9th Day of Navaratri …..made Her bhaktas secure. This huge task took place in an age when the bhaktas were troubled by evil rakshasas and instruments of the devil. Even nowadays.there is no scarcity of devilish people in the world, and the world is enveloped by their demonic thoughts and actions. And that is why humans are trying very hard to come out of it In this Navratri so many people have got their realization And by receiving this Self Knowledge, they have been able to get rid of all the problems caused due to demonic dominance. But the biggest thing is that you have become enlightened in Sahaja Yoga And even I never thought that so many people would get their enlightenment.The fact that so many people have got their realization in such a short time has been a milestone And when we look at this milestone we feel that a lot can be accomplished within the year . I'm saying this to you today because you are now Sahaja Yogi's which means you are not ordinary people; you have got that yoga now, you cannot be yoga bhrashta (realisation is corrupted) and you should move according to this Yoga. It means, if you have a few habits, and you assert your willpower a little bit, I will give you the Shakti to overcome these bad habits. Speaking too much or too little that is not good. in everything you have to be in the center (balance). don't go to extremes. If there's a person who thinks of money all the time, and power all the time. he should be brought into the centre. Your mind should be in balance, that is you should be in thoughtless awareness, gradually expand your thoughtless awareness. The more thoughtlessly aware you are the more Divine Power will you have. Your caliber will become wider, and so will your Divine Energy (Shakti). But when this Divine Power increases you have to put it to use. If you don't utilize it your caliber will become small again. You now have to go home and dwell upon how you can spread Sahaja Yoga. Make a list of the places where you are known. Which are the areas where you can go and establish this Yoga. For that whatever you need, you can go to the Center. Now there are many Centers, today I opened a Center in Colaba at Cuff Castle. And in this manner you can have a Center in every place and if you want to open an additional one, you can. Wherever you have friends and relatives and wherever you work, you can bring people from there into Sahaja Yoga and emancipate this world. We have to save all of humanity. And those of you who are sitting here are all the vehicles for this work and your responsibility Is huge. The Sahaja Yogis of today do not understand their responsibilities. Sahaja Yoga cannot move forward with just 20 to 25 people taking responsibility. Each person must understand their responsibility and decide how they're going to spread Sahaja Yoga.You’re already empowered to do that. You only need to sit down and think about how you're going to spread it. You are aware that people who couldn't speak in public are able to do so now. And this power will come to you only when you decide to give realisation to others, otherwise your powers will diminish, everyone is aware that the power diminishes if you don't give it to others. I'm not telling you to cure others, for that you give them My photograph. But talk to others, get them into Sahaja Yoga, get them for realization, make them sit in front of the photo and give them realization. It is not necessary (advisable) for you to give the realization without the Photograph: as far as possible use the Photograph so that you are protected. So that you don't have any problems,So that you don't get an ego and nothing tarnishes your purity. How many people should we get into Sahaja Yoga?. The more people you get into Sahaja Yoga, the stronger your own connection will be. but for this you yourself must be a good Sahaja Yogi. if you yourself are unstable, all those who you bring to Sahaja Yoga will also be unstable . Those who come with you will also drown with you so please stabilize yourself and that is very important. Wherever your community is and friends are, a lot can be done. if you sit and think about it - these are the places where my community is. the societies in which I am a member or become a member of such communities and talk to them because we have to transform the World and it is a huge task. We are ordinary people to look at, but if this work is to happen, we must be cohesive and focused and dedicated. I am giving you whatever powers are needed for this. take as much as you want, you can receive it and Increase your powers completely but you will have to be focused and dedicated. There is only one main locking point in Sahaja Yoga, only one trick which is very easy as well as very difficult in this Kaliyuga, which I will tell you in My own words today. Up until now you did not recognize any of the incarnations that took birth, you didn't recognize, that's okay. Whatever mistake was made Is forgiven. But, if you don't recognize Me as an incarnation then you cannot do Sahaja Yoga, nothing. This is a compulsion. I put this obligation before I came into this world and you are obliged to accept this compulsion. If you do not recognise me, Sahaja Yoga will not work out .nothing will work out. All the deities are sitting in Me and I am telling you this openly because you all are Sahaja Yogis. I had to come with all of them seated in Me and you should utilize and understand that knowledge to the maximum. If you lack focus then Sahaja Yoga will not work out and neither will you and the whole world will finish. This is the last chance for the entire world. An incarnation with all the deities in Her, an Incarnation who is Motherly, is explaining everything to you, talking to you and is getting you to do Her work with all the love and patience and is working very hard, day in and day out with you. You know that I never look after the comfort of My own body but that of yours. Among you are people who are still half baked or as we say in Marathi -ardhavat. it means that their mind is half here and half there; the ones who Christ called ‘half believers’.those kind of people are completely useless because Christ had said that they are ‘mummering souls’, and their prattle is meaningless. Their attention is always drawn towards useless things and never things that actually matter. this is very wrong and that's why all the conventions of Sahaja Yoga have to be followed. Firstly, among Sahaja Yogis there are rules. Nobody can take even a single penny in the name of Sahaja Yoga. Just like unauthorized work harms you in the same way If you take any money without authorization it will harm you. Let me repeat, that in Sahaja Yoga nobody can take any money for their personal use . You are very well aware that I use My own money to do a lot of work. But, the other thing is even though Sahaja Yoga is given free of cost it doesn't mean that it is cheap. it is actually priceless. I asked Mr. Mehtani how much money people were contributing. You know that there are expenses like that of this hall and that hall . Yesterday, Mr Abhishek sang for us, that is an expense, Puja too. Those who do not give money for food and then come and tell me that their Lakshmi tatwa is affected. it will be so. You have to pay for the expenses of the Puja; being Hindus you don’t you understand that? You really must give money for the Puja. You want to get it done free of cost, then we will have beggars in Sahaja Yoga. It will not work through beggars! Just yesterday I told them that you need to have some respect . Are you so short of money that you don't even have enough to pay for Puja? For such people nothing is available. This means that you need to improve your self respect, you should have more self respect and think. Now, a lot of people they have said that “Ma, we take five rupees per month from these people.” if there are such beggars who cannot even pay five rupees a month, they cannot go on in Sahaja Yoga! Can’t you even pay five rupees a month? They showed Me the names of people whose name had ‘never’ written in front of their names. They have never contributed any money at all. That’s amazing! They come to the programme, make use of things, eat food, etc. They are worse than beggars that they have ‘never’ written in front of their names. They’ve never paid a single dime. This is very wrong! We need money for whatever work we need to do in our community. Is Mataji always going to spend Her own money? Is it a good thing that I must pay for your emancipation? Or my husband should pay- he’s the one prospering! His Lakshmi tatwa is getting better and not yours. By God’s grace, he receives a handsome salary- his Lakshmi tatwa is improving and yours, of my children, is getting worse. Don’t bank on him to improve your Lakshmi tatwa. Your Lakshmi should also be spent. What is five rupees? Its nothing, five rupees a month is nothing.If Sahaja Yogis are like this then they don't need to come. Next time whichever Sahaja Yogi hasn’t paid, I'm not going to allow them to come in my Puja. I don't want such beggars in my Puja. I don't want beggars to offer Pooja to me! It is everyone's duty and everyone should voluntarily get their names written down and voluntarily give at least five rupees per month. I'm going to come and see the list next time and I don't want to see ‘never’ written in front of anyone's name. If you can give more, then you should because you know what everything costs, the hall, the food and everything. People don't even want to pay for their food, they want to eat free of cost. We don't want such people. Free - funders are not wanted in Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is absolutely free but it is not for free- funders. From where should we get the money, we have to pay for this, should Mataji pay? I have told My husband clearly that he is not to pay, otherwise it is he who will be getting more wealth and you people will become poor. The second thing is that even our organization is not in order. When we are all born of one Mother then we children must have love between us. We must love and understand each other. It's really joyful to love one another, just try. The joy of loving each other is something completely different. Having enmity, jealousy, envy….. the moment I come I hear complaints, ’They did not tell us.” “ They did not inform us.” “They did not talk to us.” “ So and so did this, and so and so did that.” and I say,”Oh my God.” We Indians especially people from Mumbai are the most cranky of all. But unlike them the people from Pune can differentiate and separate people who are not as good and avoid them. And they're not complainers. Otherwise the Mumbai people are always whining about being oppressed by someone or the other in the family, day in and day out You need to to be dignified. You are dignified. You know what you are . I have given you that which I gave Shri Ganesha. You are the holy and sanctified people of this world. What are you doing? Forget about your old habits. Now you are Kings. Why are you still holding a begging bowl, roaming around like beggars? You were the sons of The King, you got lost but now you’re Kings again. Then why are you behaving like beggars? Be dignified. Thirdly, the young people amongst you, 25-30 how many ever you are, living in different areas, give your names before going today so I can have a look before leaving. You must organise and look after your Centres and those who are in charge of them. Elderly people are not going to do any work. I’ve relieved all the trustees. The Trust is to be dissolved as it isn’t needed anymore. The Trust was made for the Ashram and there is no money there. Now you all have to take care of the expenditure. It's not a difficult job. There are so many of you. It's not difficult . You do not have any other major expenses. You have to take care of the expenses (of the Centre), no money shall be withdrawn from the Trust. I have confirmed from the Reserve Bank that there is no taxation on occasional income. Mr Pradhan, Jaiwan, Uma, Nimma, daughters of Mr Mehtani and Zarina have been told about this. Similarly, Radjesh Modi is a very active man and other young active people are there; they all should get together.There are many active people in Girgam who should be included. Mr Modi is very knowledgeable. Like this make a group of younger people.Whoever wants to enlist should do so today after the Puja as a promise; that we are going to do the work and gather the people. There should be 25 names, can even be more. The elderly are not to be bothered and the children can be left. The young people should take responsibility in their own areas and take it upon themselves. They should meet over tea or otherwise. When I come after a year I want to see how much Sahaja Yoga has spread. One very good thing is that because of the advent of Guru Singh Hast, Sahaja Yoga can spread very rapidly if you all put in a little bit of effort. So you must understand what I'm saying. I have told you about Lakshmi tatwa and secondly about organization and that is the Saraswati tatwa. In fact about how to organize things and how to call people, how to help them to progress and how to explain things to them and how to include them. In every Center and in every community there can be 1 leader and he can organize everything beautifully. In London and in Pune, they have organized things in a way where one person looks after about 25 people who meet each other and find out how each one is. Talk to each other with love and affection. Don't find faults or make fun of the other or judge one another. The friendship will be extremely joyful, boundlessly joyful. Garkari Bai is also active but she has children and she has problems. So take her children. Whatever and wherever you can include people, include them and work it out. Next year I'm going to ask whoever is involved about what they have done. You should not need to ask for money. For that, make a group of 4 or 5 people, they can perform dramas,as they suggested. Do whatever is needed. Occasional income is not taxed I have found out. you don't even need to keep records about it. Only regular income is taxable. People have occasional income in lakhs (hundred thousands), for example the fund for the Congress (Indian political party) etc.That's occasional income. We don't have any funds . So you people should try and give five rupees a month or more. If a person earns well then it makes no sense for him to give just five rupees. Secondly, for Puja, you should call only those people who come regularly and who are established in Sahaja Yoga. Don't call those people who come just once in a while. Such half-hearted people cannot go on in Sahaja Yoga. At least they cannot get the blessing of performing a Puja. In Sahaja Yoga there are two three circles as you may have noticed. First is the peripheral circle which has the general public and they're not realized souls. Inside that is the circle of realized souls and in that is the ring with people who come once in awhile. And then there is a ring of people who are regulars and the innermost ring is that which has the most dedicated people. I know each and everyone, I don't need to give them a certificate. I know each and every person and don't need to be told anything about anyone and nor do I need to hear any complaints. You should live sensibly in this way, with the understanding that you all are special people and the Almighty has specially chosen you. The Kundalini has been awakened in you and you have been crowned a yogi, sitting at home. You didn't have to do anything for that. Now is the time for action and those who act will gain a lot. Those who do not act will not gain anything. If you don't contribute anything how can you receive back. If I enlighten you with the knowledge of Saraswati - If you bring me a boy and say he doesn't study and I get him to pass with a first division, and even after that if he doesn't do the work of Saraswati, then how long will Saraswati stay with him? Do you light a lamp to give light or do you light it to hide it somewhere? Your lamps have been lit and they should enlighten many more lamps. It is a big responsibility. You are My hands and you are My eyes and you are My everything and only through you will it work out. If it wasn't so why would I plead in front of you - Child- please do this work? You are My hands and without the hands no work can be done. But one should live sensibly and not allow ego and false notions to enter one’s head. I don't need anything. All I want is that your life, a Yogi's life should become extremely beautiful.and because of you mey many come in the path of enlightenment and be established in the Kingdom of God. This is My last task and so, please help Me in this last task and everything will work out. Surprisingly, it is very difficult to be like the English despite their being from the West. The kind of hard work they put in, and the way they meditate the way they devote themselves - all those qualities should come in you all. They don't think about money and such things. Nor are they lethargic.They work so hard. I asked them to leave cigarettes and they did not even go near a cigarette shop. They are exemplars of dedication and hard work. They were so ignorant about Dharma but now they have mastered it. They have written books like ‘The Advent’ and very soon there will be four or five more such books. At least somebody should take responsibility of translating ‘The Advent’ In Hindi and in Marathi , and that would be great. This is only My Puja and everything else. Otherwise what is there in a Puja? It is taking place in all the temples anyway. What is the use of that? My true Puja is when you enlighten many people, thousands of people; and I see this Shakti flowing in the whole entire world. That is My true Puja and all other forms of Puja are meaningless. It benefits only a few people. Of course, by coming to the Puja, all your chakras become clean. But if you don't utilize it and spread it and don't honor it, don't work hard and don't change your way of life, then they (chakras) go back to being as they were. It is a privilege to come for a Puja and for the sake of that privilege, next year all those who have come here must promise to give realisation to at least 10 people. Each and every person must take that vow today and I will give you the Shakti. And also every person must absolutely come and meditate wherever there is a collective meditation . Only when each of you take that vow, will I fully empower you. Although today is a day of celebration for both you and for Me, it's a big day as we are celebrating the last day of Navaratri, it is also a sad day for a Mother and her children sitting in front of Her as they can feel Her sadness too. You are seeing that I haven’t been feeling very well since yesterday. There are a lot of Mother’s children still out there and think how joyous they’ll feel when they meet their Mother and how their hearts will swell with happiness. Think of that and overcome your gloom. That they should meet their Mother and experience the same joy as you have experienced and become as happy as you all are and your mind will also become peaceful. All worries about when Mother will come and how it’ll all be done will vanish. Everyone is knowledgeable about everything. If you have a problem, talk to each other and find a solution amongst yourselves. If you meet someone for whom you cannot find the solution then there are a few phone numbers you can reach. You can call someone like Modi or Mehtani, ask whomever you like. But as far as possible, spare the elderly people. I have closed the Trust and that needn’t be touched. You all must collect your money, and conduct your programs as you like, Your income from that will be occasional. But always remember one thing every Paisa of the public has a lot of weightage and you should never waste the Public's money. Not even a single Paisa should you misuse! Don't use it to pay for a cup of tea and other such things. Of course, if you have to go somewhere and it costs a lot, it's a different thing. Use the mode of transport that you usually do, not that you usually travel by bus and then suddenly decide to take a taxi and then claim expenses for it. Even you should spend some of your own money. In this way people try to claim large expenses but this cannot go on in Sahaja Yoga. You know I will punish you if you do that! This is not the way things work in Sahaja Yoga. In Sahaja Yoga we have to be very careful about public money. It is not like Politics, where you embezzle money and do what you want. This is the Kingdom of God, and the laws are very stringent. You cannot fool around with even a single Paisa. Be respectful and live respectfully. Beat yourself with shoes morning and evening if such thoughts (of misusing public funds) enter your mind and everything will be alright. You don't have the rights to do all this. Live with grace and love and affection for each other. Meet each other. It's so joy giving to meet people from different places, see how many places people have come here from today. People from all races and religions are sitting here. It's so wonderful. Help each other wholeheartedly. If someone is sick, promptly go and look after them, see what ails them. It's such a good thing. You should mix with each other. That's why I said you should have lunch here. Now, many people are there who don't want to even pay for lunch. I said, if people are coming from outside then they are our guests but those who belong to this place should not only pay for themselves but for other people. If you cannot pay even that much once a year then such beggars should leave. We don't need such beggars. Everyone should meet each other Can’t we pay for even a single meal? Are people so miserly? This has become a big drawback in Sahaja Yoga. Not taking money has become a drawback especially in Mumbai. That means there's something wrong with Mumbai If you want to awaken your Lakshmi tatwa then become relaxed about money and secondly, become honest. both things should be there.You should be both generous and honest And then everything will work out. I was so pleased to see that the program in Dadar was so outstanding and next time there will be a big Center in Dadar. I am extremely pleased with Dadar and I grant you many blessings. May every place be able to have a great program like Dadar. It is so joyful and joy giving to realize how well my children are growing up and realizing the importance of this. Make this program run and expand. May there be programs like the one in Dadar, in every place. May you all be very successful. I give you all my blessings, With my whole heart, I bless you. May you be complete may you achieve your meaning May numerous Shaktis flow from you, do good and give salvation to this world Mother has only one desire that the world becomes happy and joyful and may you all fulfils that.

9th Day of Navaratri …..made Her bhaktas secure. This huge task took place in an age when the bhaktas were troubled by evil rakshasas and instruments of the devil. Even nowadays.there is no scarcity of devilish people in the world, and the world is enveloped by their demonic thoughts and actions. And that is why humans are trying very hard to come out of it In this Navratri so many people have got their realization And by receiving this Self Knowledge, they have been able to get rid of all the problems caused due to demonic dominance. But the biggest thing is that you have become enlightened in Sahaja Yoga And even I never thought that so many people would get their enlightenment.The fact that so many people have got their realization in such a short time has been a milestone And when we look at this milestone we feel that a lot can be accomplished within the year . I'm saying this to you today because you are now Sahaja Yogi's which means you are not ordinary people; you have got that yoga now, you cannot be yoga bhrashta (realisation is corrupted) and you should move according to this Yoga. It means, if you have a few habits, and you assert your willpower a little bit, I will give you the Shakti to overcome these bad habits. Speaking too much or too little that is not good. in everything you have to be in the center (balance). don't go to extremes. If there's a person who thinks of money all the time, and power all the time. he should be brought into the centre. Your mind should be in balance, that is you should be in thoughtless awareness, gradually expand your thoughtless awareness. The more thoughtlessly aware you are the more Divine Power will you have. Your caliber will become wider, and so will your Divine Energy (Shakti). But when this Divine Power increases you have to put it to use. If you don't utilize it your caliber will become small again. You now have to go home and dwell upon how you can spread Sahaja Yoga. Make a list of the places where you are known. Which are the areas where you can go and establish this Yoga. For that whatever you need, you can go to the Center. Now there are many Centers, today I opened a Center in Colaba at Cuff Castle. And in this manner you can have a Center in every place and if you want to open an additional one, you can. Wherever you have friends and relatives and wherever you work, you can bring people from there into Sahaja Yoga and emancipate this world. We have to save all of humanity. And those of you who are sitting here are all the vehicles for this work and your responsibility Is huge. The Sahaja Yogis of today do not understand their responsibilities. Sahaja Yoga cannot move forward with just 20 to 25 people taking responsibility. Each person must understand their responsibility and decide how they're going to spread Sahaja Yoga.You’re already empowered to do that. You only need to sit down and think about how you're going to spread it. You are aware that people who couldn't speak in public are able to do so now. And this power will come to you only when you decide to give realisation to others, otherwise your powers will diminish, everyone is aware that the power diminishes if you don't give it to others. I'm not telling you to cure others, for that you give them My photograph. But talk to others, get them into Sahaja Yoga, get them for realization, make them sit in front of the photo and give them realization. It is not necessary (advisable) for you to give the realization without the Photograph: as far as possible use the Photograph so that you are protected. So that you don't have any problems,So that you don't get an ego and nothing tarnishes your purity. How many people should we get into Sahaja Yoga?. The more people you get into Sahaja Yoga, the stronger your own connection will be. but for this you yourself must be a good Sahaja Yogi. if you yourself are unstable, all those who you bring to Sahaja Yoga will also be unstable . Those who come with you will also drown with you so please stabilize yourself and that is very important. Wherever your community is and friends are, a lot can be done. if you sit and think about it - these are the places where my community is. the societies in which I am a member or become a member of such communities and talk to them because we have to transform the World and it is a huge task. We are ordinary people to look at, but if this work is to happen, we must be cohesive and focused and dedicated. I am giving you whatever powers are needed for this. take as much as you want, you can receive it and Increase your powers completely but you will have to be focused and dedicated. There is only one main locking point in Sahaja Yoga, only one trick which is very easy as well as very difficult in this Kaliyuga, which I will tell you in My own words today. Up until now you did not recognize any of the incarnations that took birth, you didn't recognize, that's okay. Whatever mistake was made Is forgiven. But, if you don't recognize Me as an incarnation then you cannot do Sahaja Yoga, nothing. This is a compulsion. I put this obligation before I came into this world and you are obliged to accept this compulsion. If you do not recognise me, Sahaja Yoga will not work out .nothing will work out. All the deities are sitting in Me and I am telling you this openly because you all are Sahaja Yogis. I had to come with all of them seated in Me and you should utilize and understand that knowledge to the maximum. If you lack focus then Sahaja Yoga will not work out and neither will you and the whole world will finish. This is the last chance for the entire world. An incarnation with all the deities in Her, an Incarnation who is Motherly, is explaining everything to you, talking to you and is getting you to do Her work with all the love and patience and is working very hard, day in and day out with you. You know that I never look after the comfort of My own body but that of yours. Among you are people who are still half baked or as we say in Marathi -ardhavat. it means that their mind is half here and half there; the ones who Christ called ‘half believers’.those kind of people are completely useless because Christ had said that they are ‘mummering souls’, and their prattle is meaningless. Their attention is always drawn towards useless things and never things that actually matter. this is very wrong and that's why all the conventions of Sahaja Yoga have to be followed. Firstly, among Sahaja Yogis there are rules. Nobody can take even a single penny in the name of Sahaja Yoga. Just like unauthorized work harms you in the same way If you take any money without authorization it will harm you. Let me repeat, that in Sahaja Yoga nobody can take any money for their personal use . You are very well aware that I use My own money to do a lot of work. But, the other thing is even though Sahaja Yoga is given free of cost it doesn't mean that it is cheap. it is actually priceless. I asked Mr. Mehtani how much money people were contributing. You know that there are expenses like that of this hall and that hall . Yesterday, Mr Abhishek sang for us, that is an expense, Puja too. Those who do not give money for food and then come and tell me that their Lakshmi tatwa is affected. it will be so. You have to pay for the expenses of the Puja; being Hindus you don’t you understand that? You really must give money for the Puja. You want to get it done free of cost, then we will have beggars in Sahaja Yoga. It will not work through beggars! Just yesterday I told them that you need to have some respect . Are you so short of money that you don't even have enough to pay for Puja? For such people nothing is available. This means that you need to improve your self respect, you should have more self respect and think. Now, a lot of people they have said that “Ma, we take five rupees per month from these people.” if there are such beggars who cannot even pay five rupees a month, they cannot go on in Sahaja Yoga! Can’t you even pay five rupees a month? They showed Me the names of people whose name had ‘never’ written in front of their names. They have never contributed any money at all. That’s amazing! They come to the programme, make use of things, eat food, etc. They are worse than beggars that they have ‘never’ written in front of their names. They’ve never paid a single dime. This is very wrong! We need money for whatever work we need to do in our community. Is Mataji always going to spend Her own money? Is it a good thing that I must pay for your emancipation? Or my husband should pay- he’s the one prospering! His Lakshmi tatwa is getting better and not yours. By God’s grace, he receives a handsome salary- his Lakshmi tatwa is improving and yours, of my children, is getting worse. Don’t bank on him to improve your Lakshmi tatwa. Your Lakshmi should also be spent. What is five rupees? Its nothing, five rupees a month is nothing.If Sahaja Yogis are like this then they don't need to come. Next time whichever Sahaja Yogi hasn’t paid, I'm not going to allow them to come in my Puja. I don't want such beggars in my Puja. I don't want beggars to offer Pooja to me! It is everyone's duty and everyone should voluntarily get their names written down and voluntarily give at least five rupees per month. I'm going to come and see the list next time and I don't want to see ‘never’ written in front of anyone's name. If you can give more, then you should because you know what everything costs, the hall, the food and everything. People don't even want to pay for their food, they want to eat free of cost. We don't want such people. Free - funders are not wanted in Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga is absolutely free but it is not for free- funders. From where should we get the money, we have to pay for this, should Mataji pay? I have told My husband clearly that he is not to pay, otherwise it is he who will be getting more wealth and you people will become poor. The second thing is that even our organization is not in order. When we are all born of one Mother then we children must have love between us. We must love and understand each other. It's really joyful to love one another, just try. The joy of loving each other is something completely different. Having enmity, jealousy, envy….. the moment I come I hear complaints, ’They did not tell us.” “ They did not inform us.” “They did not talk to us.” “ So and so did this, and so and so did that.” and I say,”Oh my God.” We Indians especially people from Mumbai are the most cranky of all. But unlike them the people from Pune can differentiate and separate people who are not as good and avoid them. And they're not complainers. Otherwise the Mumbai people are always whining about being oppressed by someone or the other in the family, day in and day out You need to to be dignified. You are dignified. You know what you are . I have given you that which I gave Shri Ganesha. You are the holy and sanctified people of this world. What are you doing? Forget about your old habits. Now you are Kings. Why are you still holding a begging bowl, roaming around like beggars? You were the sons of The King, you got lost but now you’re Kings again. Then why are you behaving like beggars? Be dignified. Thirdly, the young people amongst you, 25-30 how many ever you are, living in different areas, give your names before going today so I can have a look before leaving. You must organise and look after your Centres and those who are in charge of them. Elderly people are not going to do any work. I’ve relieved all the trustees. The Trust is to be dissolved as it isn’t needed anymore. The Trust was made for the Ashram and there is no money there. Now you all have to take care of the expenditure. It's not a difficult job. There are so many of you. It's not difficult . You do not have any other major expenses. You have to take care of the expenses (of the Centre), no money shall be withdrawn from the Trust. I have confirmed from the Reserve Bank that there is no taxation on occasional income. Mr Pradhan, Jaiwan, Uma, Nimma, daughters of Mr Mehtani and Zarina have been told about this. Similarly, Radjesh Modi is a very active man and other young active people are there; they all should get together.There are many active people in Girgam who should be included. Mr Modi is very knowledgeable. Like this make a group of younger people.Whoever wants to enlist should do so today after the Puja as a promise; that we are going to do the work and gather the people. There should be 25 names, can even be more. The elderly are not to be bothered and the children can be left. The young people should take responsibility in their own areas and take it upon themselves. They should meet over tea or otherwise. When I come after a year I want to see how much Sahaja Yoga has spread. One very good thing is that because of the advent of Guru Singh Hast, Sahaja Yoga can spread very rapidly if you all put in a little bit of effort. So you must understand what I'm saying. I have told you about Lakshmi tatwa and secondly about organization and that is the Saraswati tatwa. In fact about how to organize things and how to call people, how to help them to progress and how to explain things to them and how to include them. In every Center and in every community there can be 1 leader and he can organize everything beautifully. In London and in Pune, they have organized things in a way where one person looks after about 25 people who meet each other and find out how each one is. Talk to each other with love and affection. Don't find faults or make fun of the other or judge one another. The friendship will be extremely joyful, boundlessly joyful. Garkari Bai is also active but she has children and she has problems. So take her children. Whatever and wherever you can include people, include them and work it out. Next year I'm going to ask whoever is involved about what they have done. You should not need to ask for money. For that, make a group of 4 or 5 people, they can perform dramas,as they suggested. Do whatever is needed. Occasional income is not taxed I have found out. you don't even need to keep records about it. Only regular income is taxable. People have occasional income in lakhs (hundred thousands), for example the fund for the Congress (Indian political party) etc.That's occasional income. We don't have any funds . So you people should try and give five rupees a month or more. If a person earns well then it makes no sense for him to give just five rupees. Secondly, for Puja, you should call only those people who come regularly and who are established in Sahaja Yoga. Don't call those people who come just once in a while. Such half-hearted people cannot go on in Sahaja Yoga. At least they cannot get the blessing of performing a Puja. In Sahaja Yoga there are two three circles as you may have noticed. First is the peripheral circle which has the general public and they're not realized souls. Inside that is the circle of realized souls and in that is the ring with people who come once in awhile. And then there is a ring of people who are regulars and the innermost ring is that which has the most dedicated people. I know each and everyone, I don't need to give them a certificate. I know each and every person and don't need to be told anything about anyone and nor do I need to hear any complaints. You should live sensibly in this way, with the understanding that you all are special people and the Almighty has specially chosen you. The Kundalini has been awakened in you and you have been crowned a yogi, sitting at home. You didn't have to do anything for that. Now is the time for action and those who act will gain a lot. Those who do not act will not gain anything. If you don't contribute anything how can you receive back. If I enlighten you with the knowledge of Saraswati - If you bring me a boy and say he doesn't study and I get him to pass with a first division, and even after that if he doesn't do the work of Saraswati, then how long will Saraswati stay with him? Do you light a lamp to give light or do you light it to hide it somewhere? Your lamps have been lit and they should enlighten many more lamps. It is a big responsibility. You are My hands and you are My eyes and you are My everything and only through you will it work out. If it wasn't so why would I plead in front of you - Child- please do this work? You are My hands and without the hands no work can be done. But one should live sensibly and not allow ego and false notions to enter one’s head. I don't need anything. All I want is that your life, a Yogi's life should become extremely beautiful.and because of you mey many come in the path of enlightenment and be established in the Kingdom of God. This is My last task and so, please help Me in this last task and everything will work out. Surprisingly, it is very difficult to be like the English despite their being from the West. The kind of hard work they put in, and the way they meditate the way they devote themselves - all those qualities should come in you all. They don't think about money and such things. Nor are they lethargic.They work so hard. I asked them to leave cigarettes and they did not even go near a cigarette shop. They are exemplars of dedication and hard work. They were so ignorant about Dharma but now they have mastered it. They have written books like ‘The Advent’ and very soon there will be four or five more such books. At least somebody should take responsibility of translating ‘The Advent’ In Hindi and in Marathi , and that would be great. This is only My Puja and everything else. Otherwise what is there in a Puja? It is taking place in all the temples anyway. What is the use of that? My true Puja is when you enlighten many people, thousands of people; and I see this Shakti flowing in the whole entire world. That is My true Puja and all other forms of Puja are meaningless. It benefits only a few people. Of course, by coming to the Puja, all your chakras become clean. But if you don't utilize it and spread it and don't honor it, don't work hard and don't change your way of life, then they (chakras) go back to being as they were. It is a privilege to come for a Puja and for the sake of that privilege, next year all those who have come here must promise to give realisation to at least 10 people. Each and every person must take that vow today and I will give you the Shakti. And also every person must absolutely come and meditate wherever there is a collective meditation . Only when each of you take that vow, will I fully empower you. Although today is a day of celebration for both you and for Me, it's a big day as we are celebrating the last day of Navaratri, it is also a sad day for a Mother and her children sitting in front of Her as they can feel Her sadness too. You are seeing that I haven’t been feeling very well since yesterday. There are a lot of Mother’s children still out there and think how joyous they’ll feel when they meet their Mother and how their hearts will swell with happiness. Think of that and overcome your gloom. That they should meet their Mother and experience the same joy as you have experienced and become as happy as you all are and your mind will also become peaceful. All worries about when Mother will come and how it’ll all be done will vanish. Everyone is knowledgeable about everything. If you have a problem, talk to each other and find a solution amongst yourselves. If you meet someone for whom you cannot find the solution then there are a few phone numbers you can reach. You can call someone like Modi or Mehtani, ask whomever you like. But as far as possible, spare the elderly people. I have closed the Trust and that needn’t be touched. You all must collect your money, and conduct your programs as you like, Your income from that will be occasional. But always remember one thing every Paisa of the public has a lot of weightage and you should never waste the Public's money. Not even a single Paisa should you misuse! Don't use it to pay for a cup of tea and other such things. Of course, if you have to go somewhere and it costs a lot, it's a different thing. Use the mode of transport that you usually do, not that you usually travel by bus and then suddenly decide to take a taxi and then claim expenses for it. Even you should spend some of your own money. In this way people try to claim large expenses but this cannot go on in Sahaja Yoga. You know I will punish you if you do that! This is not the way things work in Sahaja Yoga. In Sahaja Yoga we have to be very careful about public money. It is not like Politics, where you embezzle money and do what you want. This is the Kingdom of God, and the laws are very stringent. You cannot fool around with even a single Paisa. Be respectful and live respectfully. Beat yourself with shoes morning and evening if such thoughts (of misusing public funds) enter your mind and everything will be alright. You don't have the rights to do all this. Live with grace and love and affection for each other. Meet each other. It's so joy giving to meet people from different places, see how many places people have come here from today. People from all races and religions are sitting here. It's so wonderful. Help each other wholeheartedly. If someone is sick, promptly go and look after them, see what ails them. It's such a good thing. You should mix with each other. That's why I said you should have lunch here. Now, many people are there who don't want to even pay for lunch. I said, if people are coming from outside then they are our guests but those who belong to this place should not only pay for themselves but for other people. If you cannot pay even that much once a year then such beggars should leave. We don't need such beggars. Everyone should meet each other Can’t we pay for even a single meal? Are people so miserly? This has become a big drawback in Sahaja Yoga. Not taking money has become a drawback especially in Mumbai. That means there's something wrong with Mumbai If you want to awaken your Lakshmi tatwa then become relaxed about money and secondly, become honest. both things should be there.You should be both generous and honest And then everything will work out. I was so pleased to see that the program in Dadar was so outstanding and next time there will be a big Center in Dadar. I am extremely pleased with Dadar and I grant you many blessings. May every place be able to have a great program like Dadar. It is so joyful and joy giving to realize how well my children are growing up and realizing the importance of this. Make this program run and expand. May there be programs like the one in Dadar, in every place. May you all be very successful. I give you all my blessings, With my whole heart, I bless you. May you be complete may you achieve your meaning May numerous Shaktis flow from you, do good and give salvation to this world Mother has only one desire that the world becomes happy and joyful and may you all fulfils that.

10/8/1979

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Maintaining purity of Sahaja Yoga, Caxton Hall, 8th of October, 1979 …. has his own way for some time. I said, let him try. Douglas Fry: I’m not using a loudspeaker I’m just recording you. It’s just for recording. Shri Mataji: Oh, it is not a loudspeaker. Sahaja Yogi: It’s just a tape. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see …and, he had started, you see, doing some sort of tricks which I did feel about him that he had started doing some tricks about his Realisation. Because that’s the only thing one has to be very careful that one can get into. And he had gathered spirits, because he got interested in curing too much. I told him not to cure anymore. I said you can give my photograph, but don’t get into curing part, because if you get the spirits you wouldn’t even know and you will be insensitive to it and then you will have problems. And then he had such funny spirits in him that, those people who came to him, were influenced to give him money by those spirits. And some people were compelled, I mean they couldn’t help it. The only idea that worked into their heads was that they must give money to him! But this was nothing, he started showing my photograph in the eyes and a photograph of Sai Baba in the eyes and all sorts of nonsensical things. Shri Mataji: Hello. How are you? Sahaja Yogi: I’m fine Shri Mataji: How is your back? Sahaja Yogi: My back? I’m thankful that I’ve got one. Shri Mataji: And that’s how he did lots of bad things. So one has to be careful, when you see somebody, this happening to someone who has gone ahead, be careful about it because ego can betray you. He felt that he was a great Sahaja Yogi and he was doing such a lot of work and he must do a lot of curing. Actually your attention should not be too much on curing because if you catch also you would not know after some time and the whole thing will become… Shri Mataji: Hello Sudha, how are you? Come forward. So now we have to be very, very careful as to what we are doing and how we are going to go ahead with Sahaja Yoga. We have to keep the purity of Sahaja Yoga – is shuchita (शुचिता); it’s called as shuchita - is the purity of Sahaja Yoga. You must understand Sahaja Yoga in its pure form and that now, when you have got the yoga, you have to settle down and also purify yourself in relation to Sahaj Yog. Because so far, you have not felt the Absolute, before getting Realisation. See, Realisation is that you become one with the Absolute, you know the Absolute. Once you know the Absolute then only you can know the relative. Unless and until you know the Absolute you are in confusion because everything is relative. And that’s why nobody knows what is really right and what is not. So you have to have an absolute point, like you have one metre in Paris, which is a fixed thing, then when you say it is ten metres, then it is ten times of that metre which is in Paris. But because we have not found out our Absolute we are in confusion and, in that confusion, anybody can take advantage of it. So the first thing is that we must find out our Absolute and the Absolute is the Spirit. Spirit is existing and creating waves without any percussion. For example, if I have to make a sound I have to clap my hand with, one to another. Or else you can understand this way: supposing you throw a stone in the pond then the waves start rising in the pond. That means the stone has to hit the water to create that pattern of waves, but can you think of some stone which is in the pond without any percussion creating the sound? That’s why it is said that Spirit is nishpanda. We shouldn’t say it doesn’t vibrate, it does vibrate, but doesn’t create the spandana (pulsation). It is not a thing that goes into any percussion. Just without any percussion it creates. For example, I am sitting here, you can feel my vibrations, the waves are coming, without any percussion. It just emits. In the same way, your Spirit when you feel it, when you touch it through your Kundalini, when it is awakened – it is an awakened thing, but when it is connected with your attention – then your attention receives those waves without percussion, which flow in your hands as chaitanya-lahari, as these waves. And because it is coming from the Absolute, you can get a complete answer about the Absolute from this. And, on this point, so many people have got Realisation in it: that you can ask any absolute question and have a Realisation. That’s why first is Yoga, then kshema. First is the Yoga means the unity or, as called in Sanskrit, yukti of your attention, is called as jeeva, and your Spirit, called as Shiva. These two must meet. Unless and until they meet you cannot reach your Absolute. And once you have felt the Absolute you can decide all the rest relatively. In Sanskrit it is ‘apara', is Absolute. That there is no paraspara, means there is nothing relative about it. It’s an absolute thing. But, as you have seen, that to know it also, you take time. Fully to be submerged into it you take time. This growth takes time and that’s why one has to be careful, not only careful but one has to be alert and one has to work it out. To be absolutely one with it, one has to mature. The maturity-point starts when the germination starts. If you are not even germinated how will you mature? So the maturity starts after Realisation, you start also kshema, you get your kshema - means your well-being - after Yoga and then you gradually start maturing. And once you mature understandingly, properly you have to keep a certain amount of purity, shuchita; that one has to keep. If you do not keep that shuchita, that purity, within yourself and that truthfulness about it, you won’t progress that fast. I mean it is nobody else’s business, it is your own business. It is for you to do it. If you don’t do it you are the loser. I mean the attitude of all the seekers has to be that of a seeker, that means you are seeking and when you are seeking you are asking for it, you are asking for a gift. Now whatever is to be done for getting that gift one has to do; with full understanding, with full maturity. Now when the maturity starts also…in the beginning some people are quiet confused. If they are able to get out of that confusion then they can establish themselves. But if they cannot and they still remain in the same confusion then they can be there, they can be lost and they can never get out of it. This confusion has to be fought, has to be faced, has to be seen. Now the confusion comes because of conditionings you have had. Lots of conditionings you have had. You have had lots of brainwashing, also you have had physical problems, mental problems and also the atmosphere and all kinds of other things that have spoiled your instrument. But because of Kundalini awakening your chakras get enlightenment and as, through enlightenment, you can see everything. Now, if there is no enlightenment in this room you just don’t know how to correct it. But when there is enlightenment you start correcting yourself and rising higher and higher. Some people achieve maturity much faster than the others, despite the fact they may have been ruined by many, but still they do it. What does it work? What makes it very quick? It’s the Left side, what we call as the Mahakali’s Power or we can call it as Iccha Shakti, the power of desiring. If the power of desiring is very strong and comes from your heart, absolutely from your heart, then it works much faster. So one has to develop an innate feeling from the heart. See, nobody else is going to look at you. If you want you can deceive yourself. If you want you can lag behind. But only from your heart you have to feel it, that you have to mature into it, you have to come up to it. Once you put your heart to it everything will work out because the whole force is coming from your heart, because in the heart resides the Spirit. So [the] only judging point is, “Am I doing it from my heart? Am I doing it superficially?” And only [the] thing that you do from your heart gives you real joy. And when you really do it from your Spirit then it should give you the greatest happiness and joy. And you yourself now, so many of you, are receiving the blessings of joy: the blessings of oneness with others, friendship, the pure friendship, pure relationships of just enjoying each other’s Spirit; not anything else, not the body, not the mind, the intellectual pursuits and talking and all that, but just feeling each other’s Spirit, and the fragrance of that. So nice to see you all again here! Now, we have problems of different types: I think it is more pertaining to the country, and pertaining to the…I would say it’s little localised type, like Bombay people have their own problems, and Delhi people have their own problem. And most of them have the same style, it’s most surprising. And people from a particular village: and the style of that village is, they have their own problems. So the Mother soil has also to do something about it. Now in Bombay I would say we have really some very great Sahaja Yogis, very deep people. But so far, the social side has been very poor, in the sense it didn’t spread this way. It went very deep. And the roots have to go down. And there are very few roots that are really required, but branches didn’t spread out. Delhi is another. Delhi are like branches they went round like that. And I think London are the fruits I should say or the flowers here, the way things are. But [they are] very vulnerable, very vulnerable, because of being so placed. And so many bees are hovering around. All kinds of problems are there facing you, of developing immunity to all sorts of surroundings. Now if I exclude you completely from the madding crowd, as you call it, then it will happen that you may not develop that immunity which you should have. And if you go too near to these people also you might be affected - which you do get affected - because there are horribly negative people here. So the best thing would be that, first of all, you develop yourself, your Sahaja Yogis together. Develop good bonds among yourselves and form a group and then go on enlarging that group, as a whole. And that would be the best way we can all be protected. And somehow it is working out that way. I am very happy. You have taken a very sane attitude towards things. Now talking to other people about Sahaja Yoga and about this method of Realisation, which is the only method, I find that in the West already people have gone on other lines. To them sex is more important than anything else, to them money is more important than anything else. [These] sort of things are there. So when you talk to them about it they may recoil on that point. So you have to sit down and develop a ‘brain-trust’ among yourselves. Because it’s a very delicate matter - how to impress these people. Instead of impression you might create depression in their minds! So best thing is to sit down and discuss among yourselves because you are one of them and they are one of you and you know what are their problems, how certain things are suddenly accentuated so much. And the main argument would be, “What’s wrong?” That’s what I have faced! “What’s wrong? “What goes wrong with it?” Unless and until they come to Kundalini awakening they would not know what’s wrong. Because then they will see for themselves that the Kundalini is stopped and it wouldn’t rise because of this point and this point. But they won’t come! So how to bring the bull to the fodder, that’s the problem. Somehow or another you have to sit down, all of you - because now [today] we have mostly Sahaja Yogis - and find out ways and methods of how to approach these people. One day you have a discussion among yourselves. Because I may not be such a good guide on that point. I think you would be the best to deal with the intellectuals of this country and the leaders of this country and the people who are supposed to be models and ideals for the rest of the people. So you can see for yourself what is so impressive about them and how to bring this to their heads that if you do all these things which you do not see how harmful they could be. But for that, you know, in India what they have done for example as I was talking to you about Rajneesh: Three or four Doctors got hold of some of the people who have been to Rajneesh, you see. Because they became a little nutty there. They got hold of them and then they examined them thoroughly and then they found out what was the matter and they published a paper about it. Like that, if you can [do something]. Because you see they had complete faith in righteousness, in leading a sane life and all that, so they wanted to know whether they were correct or not. When they found out those people and they found out the problems they had, naturally they could write about it. Something like that should be done, I think, to convince people that these methods if you take to, though apparently they do not show any bad results, but inside they create such problems and vacuums and they are so injurious and how ego itself is injurious and how ego is pampered by these things. If you could talk to them in that fashion it would be a good idea. That’s for the Sahaja Yogis. If you have any questions you can ask me, then we’ll deal with the newcomers who have come down. From the Sahaja Yogis, any questions? I haven’t seen John, Don. Sahaja Yogi: John’s in Cambridge now. Shri Mataji: He is still there? Sahaja Yogi: He’s gone there now. Shri Mataji: So now, joined it? Yah? So anyone of you has any questions on Sahaja Yoga you ask Me, that’s better. Then I’ll talk to the new people. So how are you? Better? Everyone seems to be very much better. How are you Lindsay? Lindsay: Perfect. Shri Mataji: Tumza kasakai? Thik ahe ekdam? Yogini: Ekdam. She has written a poem in Sanskrit. For your information Rajesh is also getting married now. He is marrying a girl from England, she is Chandaria, you might have seen that one. You must have seen her? Some of you have seen her. And she’s a very good girl. So our family is going to increase now in size. So, no questions? Something? Sandor (Elès)? All in thoughtless awareness? (laughing) I mean the name of our Sahaja Yoga is really Maha Yoga, is the one where you meet [God]. So this is a Maha Yoga. Because the whole thing has been sahaja only. From the very beginning it is spontaneous, everything, I mean our nose, eyes everything has come to us spontaneous, we have done nothing about it. But now the thing where we really meet the Ultimate, that’s the point is called as ‘Maha Yog’ - means the greatest yoga. Like till I came here, till you didn’t see me, it was still half way, so yoga was not there, whatever it was it was not real yoga, you see, you are making preparations, you are making all the arrangements and everything was there, but when we meet is the yoga. So the point where you meet is the real place and that’s why it is the Maha Yoga. Like you, I am coming to London by plane, till Frankfurt I am not in London, till I have landed in London also I am not there because I haven’t yet met you. Till I have met you at the gate there was no yoga, so that’s the point, that’s the moment, the split of the moment where you meet your Spirit, is the Yoga. So it is actually Maha Yoga, but in the beginning I didn’t want to call it a Maha Yoga because as it is the serpents of ego were there with all their complete hood on top of my head! So I said, “Better start it with ‘Sahaja’,” because if I said, “This is Maha Yoga,” they would all come and hit me hard saying that, “Oh God, how can that be?” But it is that! And now it is being established that there is something about it, that it is working out; because people have seen their Kundalini rising. They have seen all the chakras being awakened and everything with their own eyes and now they believe in it, that they know that there is something about it and that it is happening and there’s something about this lady also, that this is happening. Otherwise it is a difficult thing. I mean it is very difficult, no doubt. To raise the Kundalini is very difficult. But it would be something like a very naive person trying to do something, you know, like first putting the hands in the plug, then writing one book that, “Kundalini means, you get a shock.” Then another book that, “Electricity means you get another shock.” Like that three, four books will come out like that and people would start believing that electricity means that you get a shock, you get a heart-attack, you start jumping with it. But the one who knows what is electricity is the only one who is a Sahaja Yogi. But the one who, supposing, has done all the job of connections and things is the best engineer and for such a person everything is just a play. About certain diseases in this country also I have been able to find out what we can do; one of them is this gout, or what you call this arthritis - it’s absolutely curable. But I was thinking we need not tell them how we do it, because let them come to Realisation, then we’ll give them. It’s very simple. Shri Mataji: Is there somebody suffering from that? You are? Alright, that is because … Seeker: In my neck. Shri Mataji: In your neck? Seeker: Not desperately bad. Shri Mataji: Yes, but still, still, it will work out, in no time. I can tell you how it is to be done. But that’s where I may not help you, but all others can. It is because of too much vibrations there, you are getting it. So if somebody, any Sahaja Yogi can put the hand, Regis you put your hand on his back and on his this thing and just put your hand outside and it will be all going out in the atmosphere. Yogi: Did you manage to bring any of the books back? (The Advent) Shri Mataji: The books? The books (laughing) You know your Sahaja Yogi disciples, your Sahaja Yogi friends I should say, or your brothers and sisters are ashamed about it. But what to do? You see this is our country is getting expert in being inefficient and they also started some strike in the ports so the ships were not sent; they stopped sending all the ships from Bombay. So most of the ships were coming from Calcutta or from Madras. So I told them you better send all the books to Madras or to Calcutta and send them over, but then it was a very hazardous things to do. Somebody has to go with the books and all the way in the, they have to go by train and somebody has to put them. So then I told them that what is the maximum time? Then they said, fifteenth of this month a ship is leaving. I said alright, so we can expect it within say a month’s time from the fifteenth onward. So the books would be down here very soon. Before that you make all the preparations and things for the book. And they said that, “There is no income-tax for books in England and we were unnecessarily worrying about it.” So the books are already, all packed up. They wanted to send a load with me but I said, “Now who is going to pay for the freight?” Because if I had come by Air India I could have brought a big thing, but I couldn’t come by Air India so also I couldn’t bring the thing. But doesn’t matter, it will be coming in any case. And people have given very great reports about the book, that it has come out very well and is very nicely explained, most of the things. But one has to go into details now. Somebody is translating it in Marathi and also in Hindi. But We have to go now into details of many things. Now in the book still it is not mentioned that this is the Last Judgment. I don’t know if I have told you already that this is the Last Judgment about which we have been hearing. This is how you are going to be judged and that part we have not yet said in the book, which one has to see. After all, this is how you are going to be judged, what else? Gregoire is learning German now somewhere. I never received any letter from him but some were saying that he’s got his address, his brother’s address also. You should find out! But some other books should come out from you people. A smaller book which can be given to people who are not yet Realised, or something - would be much better. Who are all the new people who have come today? Can you come forward? Please come! Please come! Come on. Come along, come along. Yes, come forward. Sit down here! Sit down! It’s very simple! Who else? Please come forward, all those who have come for the first time, or who are not yet Realised! Shri Mataji: How are you, I am asking. How is he? Alright? Ha? Alright now? How are you keeping? Yogi: A bit better now. A bit better. Shri Mataji: Heart? Still? But you’re much better now? Yogi: Much better. Shri Mataji: Much better eh? Just put your hands straight like this. Can you take out your socks, it would be better. You see we have to use the Mother Earth to take away some of our problems. If you could take out your socks please. Just put them down on the ground like that, straight! Just straight on the ground! Yeah? Just hold your ears and it will go away. What’s it? It’s his Agnya is a little bit. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes! Just close your eyes! Their Agnya is very strong. You’ve come for the first time there? You’ve got your Realisation? Seeker: Pardon Shri Mataji: Have you felt your vibrations? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Good! Where is Rustom? Yogini: I don’t know he should be here. Shri Mataji: He’s done lot of good. Let it be recorded, this will be good. What they do is to record all my vibrations and superimpose the lecture on that. So it has a double effect. What do you say it is? Yogis: Left Nabhi. Shri Mataji: This lady? It’s better? What do you say? Hmm? Yogi: Right Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Right Nabhi. That’s all? Yogi: Right Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Right? All right [side]? Yogini: Yes! Shri Mataji: And this one? Yogi: Left Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Left Nabhi? Yogini: Left Vishuddhi! Shri Mataji: All left. Ok, raise your Kundalini! They’ll get it. You all raise your Kundalini, all of you. Tie it up. Just say the mantra, my mantra and just raise your Kundalini! (Yogis take Mother’s three maha mantras.) I mean, try this one, is, “Twameva sakshat Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha.” That’s all! To establish me as Nirmala Devi is the point. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (They say it three times) Shri Mataji: Say it seven times. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (they say it four times more) Shri Mataji: Ha! Just see the vibrations! Let’s see, it’s alright! Feeling the cool air, cool in the hand? Yogini: Hmm! Shri Mataji: Feeling it, cool breeze like this? What about you? Not yet? Yes, it will work out. What about you? Put her left to the right. You went to some Guru or somebody? No? Did you take to drugs? Never? Seeker: Cigarrettes. Yogi: Cigarettes. Shri Mataji: What’s that? Yogi: Smoking. Shri Mataji: Smoking? Only ordinary cigarettes? Not that another style? She’s got it! Can you just see here? Close your eyes please, I care for it. Hmm? Put your attention absolutely loose! You are not to do anything, alright? Just leave it alone. Just don’t put it on a particular point, just leave it alone! Then it will work out! It has to just go up so just leave it alone! Close your eyes! What do you say? Peter? Left to the right. Peter: Yes. Shri Mataji: Raise left to the right. Now, raise the Kundalini! If Hamsa is catching you have to say Pranava or you can say Omkara, if you say Pranava or ‘Omkar’, you see, Om. The mantra for that. Try! Just say, “Twameva sakshat Omkar sakshat.” Just say that for the Hamsa! Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Omkara sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (the Yogis say it twice) Shri Mataji: See! See now! Vibrations have started from you? Yogis: hmm. Especially for TM people! Hello, Hester come along! May God bless you! You have been very dynamic? (laughing) Hester Spiro: I couldn’t come sooner. Shri Mataji: See! What do you say? Peter? It’s come to the Sahasrara. Alright? For Sahasrara it’s “Moksha Dayini" works out better, the Mantra. Just try! Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Moksha Dayini sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (Yogis say it three times) Shri Mataji: He’s got it! He’s got it now. Peter: Left and right, to centre-heart. Shri Mataji: It’s the centre-heart. But his vibrations are coming. Little bit hold your breath! Little bit hold your breath please. You must have done some pranayama. have you done some pranayama? The breathing-exercise? Seeker: Only a very small bit. Shri Mataji: You have done it. Hold your breath for a while, please! Om sakshat Jagadamba, Om sakshat Jagadamba, Om sakshat Jagadamba Om sakshat Jagadamba. Now alright? Tie it! Tie it up. All of you tie it up! If you tie it up, your own, you see, it will keep that thing tied up. It’s better now? Put your hands like this! (Break in recording) Shri Mataji: You have little heart, is it? So you come forward. Let’s see. You come forward and call him also. Hmm, let’s see. Come forward! Just be seated with your both the hands towards me. Alright! So all of you can do it now, sit down! Now, just put it. You all say the mantra on heart, of Shiva. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Shiva Parvati sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (Yogis say it three times) Shri Mataji: Say the Atma Paramatma – alright? Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Atma Paramatma sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. Shri Mataji: Say it again! Yogis: (like above) Shri Mataji: Again! Yogis: (repeat) Shri Mataji: Is it better now? Yogis: Yes. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Put your right hand again on the heart. Let’s see. Is it better? Is it? You all people raise your left to the right, would be better. Left to the right! Thrice! Do it fully, with heart in it. Do it with the full heart. Now raise your Kundalini, come along! You are alright. Both are alright, you have to work on her. She will be alright, don’t you worry, I’m just trying to work it out. Alright? Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? It’s good. Alright. Great, ha? Now what about her? Marcus? Marcus: Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Both? Both? Marcus: Hot. Shri Mataji: You are too young to smoke, isn’t it? When did you start? Lady: A long time ago. Shri Mataji: Now you are alright, isn’t it? You are alright aren’t you. It’s better! You’re this Hamsa is a problem. You did Pranayama, isn’t it? Seeker: Just a meditation with a candle before. Shri Mataji: Here? Alright, that’s why! It’s very bad here. But you are alright otherwise? Do you feel alright? What sort of a meditation you did? What was the name? Seeker: I was reading books and it was a meditation with a candle. Shri Mataji: Oh! Now. Better? I think keep your eyes open might help. That’s it, that’s Sahaja Yoga really does that job. You did it for many years? And there was no picture, nothing? On your own you did it? Just like that? This Lombard fellow, is it? Is that him? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: But who taught you this, prathak? Who told you about this style? Who was the man? Seeker: I read a book, some book about ??. Shri Mataji: That’s why you get this wobbling here. How is it? Wobbling? In the head? Seeker: (unclear) Shri Mataji: You see, the whole thing gets upset with this concentration. This is why you were getting all this trouble. Better now is he? Settled down? Ha? Better. Some patterns I have to teach you also that you have to make. Better now? Yogi: A little. Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Ha? Yogi: What I feel is left Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Left … better? (aside:) Just it takes away the energy. Now better? Hmm, better now! Much better! That’s why you met with an accident, you know? Because of this done by left. Another Yogi: Left Vishuddhi. I told you left Vishuddhi! Shri Mataji: Yes. Left, you know that. But it’s very bad. Better now? Ah! Now, better now? Yogi: Left Agnya! Shri Mataji: Cleared out! Yogi: Left Agnya! Shri Mataji: Now? Left Agnya. Alright! Yogi: Left Agnya. Shri Mataji: Ah? Yogi: It’s spinning from Left Heart and Left Agnya. Shri Mataji: Left Heart? It’s alright, it’s alright, it is just ?? Now they have become active, you see? Now! Good! Ha? Left! See how active it is. You can see the difference between this and that! Now? Cleared out? Give Bandhan to these new people here. Better. Ah! Give a bandhan to the Right Swadishthan. Ha! Raise it! Still on the left? You see he touched his Realisation. Now. Yogini: Vishnugranthi Shri Mataji: Ha? Yogini: Vishnugranthi! Yeah! Shri Mataji: Is it? Yogi: Right Vishuddhi. Yes! It is alright Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Right Vishuddhi? Right Vishuddhi yes. Hmm! Right Vishuddhi mantra is: Twameva sakshat Vitthala Rukumayi sakshat … Yogi: Vitthala? Shri Mataji: Vitthala Rukumayi! Yogi: Vitthala Rukumayi. Shri Mataji: Aha. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Vitthala Rukumayi sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (Yogis say it three times.) Shri Mataji: Hmm. Good? (laughing) Yes? If the Mantras are awakened, how powerful they can be! Alright? It’s good now? Is he Realised? Getting the vibrations? Let’s do it this way! Now, put your hands towards Me! I tell you, you see, if somebody doesn’t get the vibrations – why? If you turn on the Swadishthana like that, or on the Sahasrara, like this, you see, it works out! Come and see for yourself! Come! Come! Just turn it! See now how it is. It’s better? Just loose. Just turn it like a knob. You see, it is actually the damaru (डमरू) of Shiva. Damaru is that thing Yogi: Drum! Shri Mataji: Drum! That’s the drum. Alright? Getting cool breeze? That hand! Just try, he too has a heart-trouble. Just try somebody on him. Come along! Marcus or someone. Just try on him! Gavin, you just try! This way! Put one hand towards me and put your on the… you can help each other! Just put your hand, left hand towards Me! No! No! On the left hand. Yes on the left hand! Yes! Like this! Little open fingers, open fingers! Yes, like that. See? Rustom: It’s very powerful Shri Mataji: For your Heart to open out it is. Yogi: He’s certainly got a very hot Left Heart … Shri Mataji: Left Heart is, it’s opening out. You see, first it will become hot and then it will become alright, you see. Yogi: Agnya is hot. Shri Mataji: It is going to the Heart, you see? Now to the Agnya. Now turn to the Agnya. Turn your Agnya! Alright! Sit down comfortably! Rustom’s gone!! (Shri Mataji laughs) Back Agnya, is it? Back Agnya. Haaa! Haaa! Done. Another Yogi: Hamsa is still … Shri Mataji: Hamsa is the point, you see, Hamsa is the point. Take it out from my Hamsa is the best way, you see? You’ve done the greatest harm to your Hamsa. That’s the thing you have done. Just put your hand like towards him. How many people must be doing like this, isn’t it, in this world! This man who has published the book must be prosecuted! Put your hand towards Me! Really, they should be prosecuted. They have no business to teach such methods from which you get headaches, you get all kinds of problems. Just give hime, give him your vibration! Rustom: It also goes to right Heart, I think Mother. Across! Then up to Right Vishuddhi. Circular thing. Shri Mataji: Sarva Chakra Vibhedini. You just say, if it is going from one to another you just say Sarva Chakra Vibhedini. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Sarva Chakra Vibhedini sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. Shri Mataji: Say it! (Shri Mataji laughs very loud.) Yogi: Say it again? Shri Mataji: Again, again! Yogis: Om twameva sakshat … Shri Mataji: Right among the other! Yogis: …Shri Sarva Chakra Vibhedini sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (then a third time) Shri Mataji: Alright now? What do you feel in both the hands? It is alright! Much better! Put yourself into Bandhan! May God bless you! He’s alright. Keep it up! For you the mantra is ‘Omkaar’. For the Hamsa. Omkaar. It will work out. It’s better now. You see, it’s very much spoiled, you know. Be careful! So say Omkar, Omkara always. It will keep you alright! Just now it is all troubling you from all angles. Alright, may God bless you! Now let’s have you here. I would like to see all of you, today, because we are all, most of us are Sahaja Yogis. Just see. Just you put your hands under my feet, let’s see what the problem is - heart. It is a low blood pressure also. Low blood pressure. Yogi: Left Swadishthana Rustom: He worked in a cemetery. Shri Mataji: No, you said you had given up. Yogis: I used to work in a cemetery. Shri Mataji: Still there! You hold it here, it’s the best. Just here. What I find is that your Superego gets combined here just forming a loop. Just hold it tight! Hmm. Now! Yogi: Left is week. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Rustom: From the Mooladhara. Shri Mataji: Cemetery! Hmm. Better! I’m sakshat Mahakali, I’m sakshat Mahakali, I’m sakshat Mahakali. Haaa! Rustom: Clean up to Heart. Heart and Left Vishuddhi.. Shri Mataji: Hmm! Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: (laughs very loud:) Ha ha ha! Another Yogi: We had some frighteners when you were away! (laughing) Shri Mataji: You see? Rustom: It’s up to Vishuddhi now. Shri Mataji: Horrible things these cemeteries are! All over London! It’s burning! All the cemeteries I give them a bandhan. All the cemeteries of London and England. Better now? Yogi: It has opened up. Rustom: He’s also, I don’t know if he works too hard, but his Swadishthan is catching. Shri Mataji: No, no, he’s alright! He’s alright. You see this is the only cemetery business. You have brought with you the problems of those people of the cemetery. They should take their birth now and they should come back to get their liberation. So it’s good in a way. How are you better? Yogi: Yeah, I get a lot of heat. Shri Mataji: Now what has happening just now? Better now? Is cool coming in? Yogi: Yeah, it’s coming in better now. Shri Mataji: So, you write the name of the cemetery. Get it nice now! Yogi: Symmetry? Shri Mataji: Cemetery! Yogi: Oh, cemetery! Shri Mataji: So that! When you write that you beat all the people who are there. Give it a bandhan. Alright? and they take away, alright? Gavin Brown: So Mother, if it’s the Last Judgment then there must be the resurrection so that they come. Shri Mataji: That’s why they have to come! You see that’s a good thing. This is the last judgment! I didn’t tell you this? Yogi: You did yes. Shri Mataji: Alright. You have to be alright! Population that’s why it is increasing. Good. May God bless you! I will see this girl now. Let’s see what’s the matter with here. Come and sit here, facing that side! Now,face that side! Come along! What’s your name? Seeker: Helen. Shri Mataji: Who? Helen: Helen! Shri Mataji: Helen. Now, you be careful, alright? Just sit like that! Can you … Yogi: Bring your feet forward Helen. Shri Mataji: Now with the, what do you call them? Crossed legs? Can you? Yes, come along! Now let me see, what’s the matter here? Oh God, you didn’t get any pain over there? Helen: No. Shri Mataji: No? It’s like a spondylitis. It is. Haaaa! What’s the time now? Rustom: Twenty to eight Mother. Shri Mataji: But I have to see all of you on my feet. Hello! How are you? Rustom: Three more new people have just come. Shri Mataji: Yes. Whom you have given Realisation. Hello! Come here, I would like to meet the new people. Hmm! This Lady? Yogi: She’s the mother of Malcolm [Murdoch], she came to You before. Shri Mataji: Ahh! So changed, you know! Sit down! Sit down! Come along! Please be seated! Yes! Come! Come up! Hello. He’s very good. I saw him there. Get a chair for yourself. Now, can you put your both the hands under my feet? Hmm? Be careful now! Oh God! It is very hot, na? Ah, your hands are very hot! I never knew smoking could be that bad. Seeker: I don’t smoke that much. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Rustom: She doesn’t smoke that much Mother. Shri Mataji: No, that’s why I am saying. Did you say any Mantras or something? Yogini: No, Shri Mataji. Rustom: Have you said any Mantras? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: No? Nothing? Yogi: I can ask her. What work do you do? Shri Mataji: What work do you do? Seeker: None at the moment. Yogi: Have you done anything in the past? Seeker: I have been a student for three years. Rustom: She has been a student, Mother! What else? Shri Mataji: Hmm! What student? Hmm? Seeker: Arts! Shri Mataji: Hmm? Seeker: Arts! Shri Mataji: Arts. But you have been getting colds and things like that, in your past? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: There is another problem. I think, you see – here the people don’t understand hot and colds alright. That maybe the trouble. Her Vishuddhi is completely frozen. How are you? You need to tell me your names now I would like to know. A little loudly, because really I am not very good at English names. Come along let’s have it! Yogi: Kingsley. Shri Mataji: Kingsley? What a nice name. Yogini: Sarah! Shri Mataji: Sarah. Yogini: Dowling, Dowling. Shri Mataji: Dowling? Another Yogi: John. Yogini: Nell! Shri Mataji: N-E-I-L? Yogini: No. ’N’, ‘e’, double ‘l’. Shri Mataji: ’N’, ‘e’, double ‘l’. Yogi: Noel. Shri Mataji: Noel. Yogini: Olivia, Olivia. Shri Mataji: Olivia. Another Yogi: Darrel. Yogini: Grace. Shri Mataji: How you said? Yogini: Grace Mother Yogi: Grace. Shri Mataji: Grace. Grace. Aha. They have told you all about Sahaja Yog? How to go deep into it? How to help others? How to help yourself? From next time I will starting the series on Sahaja Yoga again. Today I just wanted to meet all of you. So have you been, anyone of you have been to gurus or someone? No? None of you? Yogi: You have have you? New Australian yogi: Yes! Shri Mataji: Which one? New Australian yogi: I have been in India for a while studying a manual in Tibetan Buddhism. Rustom: Tibetan Buddhists, Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh God! Rustom: The Agnya, he’s got a big scar right across the Agnya. Shri Mataji: They didn’t beat you, or something? New Australian yogi: No, they don’t beat people. Shri Mataji: But you see one fellow who was here, he comes quiet often, what’s his name Gavin? Yogi: Om. Shri Mataji: They beat him also. Yogi: Om! Shri Mataji: Om, he calls himself ‘Om’. Poor thing. They used to beat him. Now they have started here as well. Yesterday, there was a big programme (on the television) about these Buddhists. Gavin: That was the one it came from. Remember that very nice one who came to the programme? Shri Mataji: Is it? Gavin: He came from the same place. Shri Mataji: Ah! Really? Peter Pearce: They asked if you could come and give them a talk some day and I said.. Shri Mataji: But it may be against their principles, you see. Yesterday they were talking. You know, what were doing [was] nothing but offering food: how do eat the food, how to mix the food and all this nonsense you know! Where is Sahaja Yoga, and where is all this going on? So if I tell them, “All this is not going to lead you anywhere!” they might be shocked. I can go and talk to them in any case, let’s see. They won’t beat me in any case! (laughter) Because this is going too far! I watched it a little bit and I was amazed, you see. One [buddhist] brought a bowl with a ‘proper’ sort of a protocol and he sat before the person, bent his knees and gave the bowl to the other fellow who took it very seriously. (laughter) Then he mixed up something and then they made six bowls out of it! Isn’t it? All this goes on! Peter Pearce: I didn’t see. Shri Mataji: You didn’t go to this one? Yogi: He was in India. Shri Mataji: You were in India? New Australian yogi: I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Shri Mataji: Where did you go? You went to the same place where this TV business is? Seeker: Ah, no - I don’t know. Yogi: This was somewhere in England … Shri Mataji: Hmm, but where were you in India? New Australian yogi: Mainly all over the himalayas. Shri Mataji: Oh God! Now you ask the question, “Mother, are you the Himalaya?” Yogi: Ask: Mother are you the Himalayas? New Australian yogi: Are you the Himalaya? Shri Mataji: You just say, “Mother are you the Himalayas?” New Australian yogi: Mother, are you the Himalayas? Shri Mataji: Again. New Australian yogi: Mother, are you the Himalayas? Shri Mataji: Again. New Australian yogi: Mother, are you the Himalayas? Rustom: Perhaps he should ask you also, “Are You the Daughter of the Himalayas?” Shri Mataji: That’s going too far! (laughter) Is it alright now. Better? Better now? Rustom: He’s very cool now Mother. He’s just got something in the Agnya otherwise it’s all cool. Shri Mataji: Did they touch your forehead – these people? New Australian yogi: They said when I was one years old there was an accident. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. They did not touch it then? New Australian yogi: Oh no. They did a great benefit. Rustom: They didn’t touch you here on your forehead did they? New Australian yogi: Occasionally. Rustom: Occasionally. How? New Australian yogi: Like similar to the Hindu tradition. Rustom: They put something on top? New Australian yogi: Similar. I mean, it’s basically the same. (Mother starts looking after another seeker, this one a woman.) Shri Mataji: Better now? Are you better? Hmm? You get involved with the things too much, is it? You get involved … New Australian yogi: Not particularly. Shri Mataji: You keep aloof? New Australian yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: This also can work out. If you keep aloof before Realisation. New Australian yogi: If you keep aloof? Shri Mataji: Aloof. You see? Before Realisation - anadikar it is. You have to become this… Rustom: Ah I see, Shri Mataji, otherwise you just … Shri Mataji: You see, it is artificial. You see the point? Rustom: So that’s why the Vishuddhi catches because she’s not involved in the play of life. Shri Mataji: You see, she is not yet a sakshi. She should be in it. That is just like taking a sanyasa. It is artificial. This should happen to you, isn’t it? The aloofness should happen to you. You should not act as if you are aloof. You are not. Haaa! See? Better now? Clearer? Shri Mataji: Now let’s see the cool breeze. Just turn around. Put your hands out. You got it? You feel cool breeze? Coming out. You got it. Seeker: I feel Superego. Shri Mataji: A little bit is there. But you are still a student? Seeker: No I’ve finished now.o Shri Mataji: You have finished now? Where were you studying? Seeker: Manchester. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Seeker: Manchester. Shri Mataji: And it’s over? Seeker: It’s up north, a town up north. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Now better, you are relaxed? Seeker: Yeah. I had a pain in the back before but it’s gone now. Shri Mataji: You see. Now. Better now? Her eyes are dilated, she’s alright. She’ll be alright. She has to be given [my] photograph and she has to work out a little. See her eyes, how much dilated they are. You see. They are looking black. Agnya, see your Agnya! Come here, Come on! Sit forward. If you can take out your socks will be a good idea. Hmm? Shri Mataji: You got it stitched here or…? (Mother must be referring to stiches on a cut on the seeker who went to the Tibetan Buddhists) New Australian yogi: No, it’s from fat and oil, burning oil. Shri Mataji: He’s a saint, so how they burn, just see! This is negative forces. How they attack a saint! Rustom: A bit of Hamsa. Shri Mataji: The Hamsa is, that’s why I was all the time today putting on to the Hamsa. Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you? Bala couldn’t come today? Rustom: No, I think he has to work. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Rustom: But he tends to come now and again. Shri Mataji: Hmm. See how Kundalini clears your heads! You can see. It flows down. Just now, you can see how it is just now so [that] later on you will know. Just see how many bumps here and there. The head is not even. But as you will grow, you will be amazed how your head will be very even and won’t be any bumps or anything. The Nabhi also has caught, right Nabhi. Rustom: Nabhi, Void, Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Hmm! Shri Mataji: Ha! It’s better? Rustom: Left Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Turn around. Turn around. They are the parasites, I tell you, real parasites! Yesterday they were all English people, Are they all English? Yogini: Some are Canadian. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Yogini: Some were Canadian. Shri Mataji: They are difficult. Canadians have a difficulty. It’s good, put your hands just to me! He’s got it. Rustom: Catching the Agnya. Yogi: How old are you? Seeker: Sixteen. Shri Mataji: Pituitary. Left to the Right. (Mother talks to a small child ) Oh no! What have you got? Where’s mummy? She’s there? She hasn’t come? Child: She’s at nanny’s house. Shri Mataji: She’s at nanny’s house? Child: Yes. Shri Mataji: Where’s the little one? She’s with nanny? Child: Yes. Shri Mataji: How many Vishuddhi are there? You see? How clear? See how it clears - the Viraat. You see, the pituitary controls the Viraat. Yogi: And it’s Krishna who controls the Viraat. Shri Mataji: With Krishna is the great height, you see. And the pituitary when it is dwarfed, you see, the both combinations are the connection between the two. [It’s] not difficult to me. He is the son, He’s the Father. You see, are his parents Catholic? Yogi: No Shri Mataji: Protestant? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: What Church? Yogi: He doesn’t go to Church. Shri Mataji: No? Better now? This is the place they come but. Shri Mataji: Not married as yet? Or they told you not to get married, or something like that? New Australian yogi: Nothing like that. Shri Mataji: Nothing like that? Good. So now you think of your marriage just for a while. Will you? Not of sanyasa. Ha! You see? It’s better? Hmm! Another Yogi: I’m still feeling some Void. Shri Mataji: Void? Void are you feeling? Alright, ask a question you but remove the hands here, alright? Ask a question looking at my [Agnya?], “Mother, are You the primordial Master?” Yogi: Mother are you the primordial Master? Shri Mataji: Again! Yogi: Mother, are you the primordial Master? Shri Mataji: Again! Yogi: Mother, are you the primordial Master? Shri Mataji: Good! Another Yogi: It’s cleared. Shri Mataji: Hmm? It has moved up. Moves from Heart. Heart. It has come up to the Heart.

Maintaining purity of Sahaja Yoga, Caxton Hall, 8th of October, 1979 …. has his own way for some time. I said, let him try. Douglas Fry: I’m not using a loudspeaker I’m just recording you. It’s just for recording. Shri Mataji: Oh, it is not a loudspeaker. Sahaja Yogi: It’s just a tape. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see …and, he had started, you see, doing some sort of tricks which I did feel about him that he had started doing some tricks about his Realisation. Because that’s the only thing one has to be very careful that one can get into. And he had gathered spirits, because he got interested in curing too much. I told him not to cure anymore. I said you can give my photograph, but don’t get into curing part, because if you get the spirits you wouldn’t even know and you will be insensitive to it and then you will have problems. And then he had such funny spirits in him that, those people who came to him, were influenced to give him money by those spirits. And some people were compelled, I mean they couldn’t help it. The only idea that worked into their heads was that they must give money to him! But this was nothing, he started showing my photograph in the eyes and a photograph of Sai Baba in the eyes and all sorts of nonsensical things. Shri Mataji: Hello. How are you? Sahaja Yogi: I’m fine Shri Mataji: How is your back? Sahaja Yogi: My back? I’m thankful that I’ve got one. Shri Mataji: And that’s how he did lots of bad things. So one has to be careful, when you see somebody, this happening to someone who has gone ahead, be careful about it because ego can betray you. He felt that he was a great Sahaja Yogi and he was doing such a lot of work and he must do a lot of curing. Actually your attention should not be too much on curing because if you catch also you would not know after some time and the whole thing will become… Shri Mataji: Hello Sudha, how are you? Come forward. So now we have to be very, very careful as to what we are doing and how we are going to go ahead with Sahaja Yoga. We have to keep the purity of Sahaja Yoga – is shuchita (शुचिता); it’s called as shuchita - is the purity of Sahaja Yoga. You must understand Sahaja Yoga in its pure form and that now, when you have got the yoga, you have to settle down and also purify yourself in relation to Sahaj Yog. Because so far, you have not felt the Absolute, before getting Realisation. See, Realisation is that you become one with the Absolute, you know the Absolute. Once you know the Absolute then only you can know the relative. Unless and until you know the Absolute you are in confusion because everything is relative. And that’s why nobody knows what is really right and what is not. So you have to have an absolute point, like you have one metre in Paris, which is a fixed thing, then when you say it is ten metres, then it is ten times of that metre which is in Paris. But because we have not found out our Absolute we are in confusion and, in that confusion, anybody can take advantage of it. So the first thing is that we must find out our Absolute and the Absolute is the Spirit. Spirit is existing and creating waves without any percussion. For example, if I have to make a sound I have to clap my hand with, one to another. Or else you can understand this way: supposing you throw a stone in the pond then the waves start rising in the pond. That means the stone has to hit the water to create that pattern of waves, but can you think of some stone which is in the pond without any percussion creating the sound? That’s why it is said that Spirit is nishpanda. We shouldn’t say it doesn’t vibrate, it does vibrate, but doesn’t create the spandana (pulsation). It is not a thing that goes into any percussion. Just without any percussion it creates. For example, I am sitting here, you can feel my vibrations, the waves are coming, without any percussion. It just emits. In the same way, your Spirit when you feel it, when you touch it through your Kundalini, when it is awakened – it is an awakened thing, but when it is connected with your attention – then your attention receives those waves without percussion, which flow in your hands as chaitanya-lahari, as these waves. And because it is coming from the Absolute, you can get a complete answer about the Absolute from this. And, on this point, so many people have got Realisation in it: that you can ask any absolute question and have a Realisation. That’s why first is Yoga, then kshema. First is the Yoga means the unity or, as called in Sanskrit, yukti of your attention, is called as jeeva, and your Spirit, called as Shiva. These two must meet. Unless and until they meet you cannot reach your Absolute. And once you have felt the Absolute you can decide all the rest relatively. In Sanskrit it is ‘apara', is Absolute. That there is no paraspara, means there is nothing relative about it. It’s an absolute thing. But, as you have seen, that to know it also, you take time. Fully to be submerged into it you take time. This growth takes time and that’s why one has to be careful, not only careful but one has to be alert and one has to work it out. To be absolutely one with it, one has to mature. The maturity-point starts when the germination starts. If you are not even germinated how will you mature? So the maturity starts after Realisation, you start also kshema, you get your kshema - means your well-being - after Yoga and then you gradually start maturing. And once you mature understandingly, properly you have to keep a certain amount of purity, shuchita; that one has to keep. If you do not keep that shuchita, that purity, within yourself and that truthfulness about it, you won’t progress that fast. I mean it is nobody else’s business, it is your own business. It is for you to do it. If you don’t do it you are the loser. I mean the attitude of all the seekers has to be that of a seeker, that means you are seeking and when you are seeking you are asking for it, you are asking for a gift. Now whatever is to be done for getting that gift one has to do; with full understanding, with full maturity. Now when the maturity starts also…in the beginning some people are quiet confused. If they are able to get out of that confusion then they can establish themselves. But if they cannot and they still remain in the same confusion then they can be there, they can be lost and they can never get out of it. This confusion has to be fought, has to be faced, has to be seen. Now the confusion comes because of conditionings you have had. Lots of conditionings you have had. You have had lots of brainwashing, also you have had physical problems, mental problems and also the atmosphere and all kinds of other things that have spoiled your instrument. But because of Kundalini awakening your chakras get enlightenment and as, through enlightenment, you can see everything. Now, if there is no enlightenment in this room you just don’t know how to correct it. But when there is enlightenment you start correcting yourself and rising higher and higher. Some people achieve maturity much faster than the others, despite the fact they may have been ruined by many, but still they do it. What does it work? What makes it very quick? It’s the Left side, what we call as the Mahakali’s Power or we can call it as Iccha Shakti, the power of desiring. If the power of desiring is very strong and comes from your heart, absolutely from your heart, then it works much faster. So one has to develop an innate feeling from the heart. See, nobody else is going to look at you. If you want you can deceive yourself. If you want you can lag behind. But only from your heart you have to feel it, that you have to mature into it, you have to come up to it. Once you put your heart to it everything will work out because the whole force is coming from your heart, because in the heart resides the Spirit. So [the] only judging point is, “Am I doing it from my heart? Am I doing it superficially?” And only [the] thing that you do from your heart gives you real joy. And when you really do it from your Spirit then it should give you the greatest happiness and joy. And you yourself now, so many of you, are receiving the blessings of joy: the blessings of oneness with others, friendship, the pure friendship, pure relationships of just enjoying each other’s Spirit; not anything else, not the body, not the mind, the intellectual pursuits and talking and all that, but just feeling each other’s Spirit, and the fragrance of that. So nice to see you all again here! Now, we have problems of different types: I think it is more pertaining to the country, and pertaining to the…I would say it’s little localised type, like Bombay people have their own problems, and Delhi people have their own problem. And most of them have the same style, it’s most surprising. And people from a particular village: and the style of that village is, they have their own problems. So the Mother soil has also to do something about it. Now in Bombay I would say we have really some very great Sahaja Yogis, very deep people. But so far, the social side has been very poor, in the sense it didn’t spread this way. It went very deep. And the roots have to go down. And there are very few roots that are really required, but branches didn’t spread out. Delhi is another. Delhi are like branches they went round like that. And I think London are the fruits I should say or the flowers here, the way things are. But [they are] very vulnerable, very vulnerable, because of being so placed. And so many bees are hovering around. All kinds of problems are there facing you, of developing immunity to all sorts of surroundings. Now if I exclude you completely from the madding crowd, as you call it, then it will happen that you may not develop that immunity which you should have. And if you go too near to these people also you might be affected - which you do get affected - because there are horribly negative people here. So the best thing would be that, first of all, you develop yourself, your Sahaja Yogis together. Develop good bonds among yourselves and form a group and then go on enlarging that group, as a whole. And that would be the best way we can all be protected. And somehow it is working out that way. I am very happy. You have taken a very sane attitude towards things. Now talking to other people about Sahaja Yoga and about this method of Realisation, which is the only method, I find that in the West already people have gone on other lines. To them sex is more important than anything else, to them money is more important than anything else. [These] sort of things are there. So when you talk to them about it they may recoil on that point. So you have to sit down and develop a ‘brain-trust’ among yourselves. Because it’s a very delicate matter - how to impress these people. Instead of impression you might create depression in their minds! So best thing is to sit down and discuss among yourselves because you are one of them and they are one of you and you know what are their problems, how certain things are suddenly accentuated so much. And the main argument would be, “What’s wrong?” That’s what I have faced! “What’s wrong? “What goes wrong with it?” Unless and until they come to Kundalini awakening they would not know what’s wrong. Because then they will see for themselves that the Kundalini is stopped and it wouldn’t rise because of this point and this point. But they won’t come! So how to bring the bull to the fodder, that’s the problem. Somehow or another you have to sit down, all of you - because now [today] we have mostly Sahaja Yogis - and find out ways and methods of how to approach these people. One day you have a discussion among yourselves. Because I may not be such a good guide on that point. I think you would be the best to deal with the intellectuals of this country and the leaders of this country and the people who are supposed to be models and ideals for the rest of the people. So you can see for yourself what is so impressive about them and how to bring this to their heads that if you do all these things which you do not see how harmful they could be. But for that, you know, in India what they have done for example as I was talking to you about Rajneesh: Three or four Doctors got hold of some of the people who have been to Rajneesh, you see. Because they became a little nutty there. They got hold of them and then they examined them thoroughly and then they found out what was the matter and they published a paper about it. Like that, if you can [do something]. Because you see they had complete faith in righteousness, in leading a sane life and all that, so they wanted to know whether they were correct or not. When they found out those people and they found out the problems they had, naturally they could write about it. Something like that should be done, I think, to convince people that these methods if you take to, though apparently they do not show any bad results, but inside they create such problems and vacuums and they are so injurious and how ego itself is injurious and how ego is pampered by these things. If you could talk to them in that fashion it would be a good idea. That’s for the Sahaja Yogis. If you have any questions you can ask me, then we’ll deal with the newcomers who have come down. From the Sahaja Yogis, any questions? I haven’t seen John, Don. Sahaja Yogi: John’s in Cambridge now. Shri Mataji: He is still there? Sahaja Yogi: He’s gone there now. Shri Mataji: So now, joined it? Yah? So anyone of you has any questions on Sahaja Yoga you ask Me, that’s better. Then I’ll talk to the new people. So how are you? Better? Everyone seems to be very much better. How are you Lindsay? Lindsay: Perfect. Shri Mataji: Tumza kasakai? Thik ahe ekdam? Yogini: Ekdam. She has written a poem in Sanskrit. For your information Rajesh is also getting married now. He is marrying a girl from England, she is Chandaria, you might have seen that one. You must have seen her? Some of you have seen her. And she’s a very good girl. So our family is going to increase now in size. So, no questions? Something? Sandor (Elès)? All in thoughtless awareness? (laughing) I mean the name of our Sahaja Yoga is really Maha Yoga, is the one where you meet [God]. So this is a Maha Yoga. Because the whole thing has been sahaja only. From the very beginning it is spontaneous, everything, I mean our nose, eyes everything has come to us spontaneous, we have done nothing about it. But now the thing where we really meet the Ultimate, that’s the point is called as ‘Maha Yog’ - means the greatest yoga. Like till I came here, till you didn’t see me, it was still half way, so yoga was not there, whatever it was it was not real yoga, you see, you are making preparations, you are making all the arrangements and everything was there, but when we meet is the yoga. So the point where you meet is the real place and that’s why it is the Maha Yoga. Like you, I am coming to London by plane, till Frankfurt I am not in London, till I have landed in London also I am not there because I haven’t yet met you. Till I have met you at the gate there was no yoga, so that’s the point, that’s the moment, the split of the moment where you meet your Spirit, is the Yoga. So it is actually Maha Yoga, but in the beginning I didn’t want to call it a Maha Yoga because as it is the serpents of ego were there with all their complete hood on top of my head! So I said, “Better start it with ‘Sahaja’,” because if I said, “This is Maha Yoga,” they would all come and hit me hard saying that, “Oh God, how can that be?” But it is that! And now it is being established that there is something about it, that it is working out; because people have seen their Kundalini rising. They have seen all the chakras being awakened and everything with their own eyes and now they believe in it, that they know that there is something about it and that it is happening and there’s something about this lady also, that this is happening. Otherwise it is a difficult thing. I mean it is very difficult, no doubt. To raise the Kundalini is very difficult. But it would be something like a very naive person trying to do something, you know, like first putting the hands in the plug, then writing one book that, “Kundalini means, you get a shock.” Then another book that, “Electricity means you get another shock.” Like that three, four books will come out like that and people would start believing that electricity means that you get a shock, you get a heart-attack, you start jumping with it. But the one who knows what is electricity is the only one who is a Sahaja Yogi. But the one who, supposing, has done all the job of connections and things is the best engineer and for such a person everything is just a play. About certain diseases in this country also I have been able to find out what we can do; one of them is this gout, or what you call this arthritis - it’s absolutely curable. But I was thinking we need not tell them how we do it, because let them come to Realisation, then we’ll give them. It’s very simple. Shri Mataji: Is there somebody suffering from that? You are? Alright, that is because … Seeker: In my neck. Shri Mataji: In your neck? Seeker: Not desperately bad. Shri Mataji: Yes, but still, still, it will work out, in no time. I can tell you how it is to be done. But that’s where I may not help you, but all others can. It is because of too much vibrations there, you are getting it. So if somebody, any Sahaja Yogi can put the hand, Regis you put your hand on his back and on his this thing and just put your hand outside and it will be all going out in the atmosphere. Yogi: Did you manage to bring any of the books back? (The Advent) Shri Mataji: The books? The books (laughing) You know your Sahaja Yogi disciples, your Sahaja Yogi friends I should say, or your brothers and sisters are ashamed about it. But what to do? You see this is our country is getting expert in being inefficient and they also started some strike in the ports so the ships were not sent; they stopped sending all the ships from Bombay. So most of the ships were coming from Calcutta or from Madras. So I told them you better send all the books to Madras or to Calcutta and send them over, but then it was a very hazardous things to do. Somebody has to go with the books and all the way in the, they have to go by train and somebody has to put them. So then I told them that what is the maximum time? Then they said, fifteenth of this month a ship is leaving. I said alright, so we can expect it within say a month’s time from the fifteenth onward. So the books would be down here very soon. Before that you make all the preparations and things for the book. And they said that, “There is no income-tax for books in England and we were unnecessarily worrying about it.” So the books are already, all packed up. They wanted to send a load with me but I said, “Now who is going to pay for the freight?” Because if I had come by Air India I could have brought a big thing, but I couldn’t come by Air India so also I couldn’t bring the thing. But doesn’t matter, it will be coming in any case. And people have given very great reports about the book, that it has come out very well and is very nicely explained, most of the things. But one has to go into details now. Somebody is translating it in Marathi and also in Hindi. But We have to go now into details of many things. Now in the book still it is not mentioned that this is the Last Judgment. I don’t know if I have told you already that this is the Last Judgment about which we have been hearing. This is how you are going to be judged and that part we have not yet said in the book, which one has to see. After all, this is how you are going to be judged, what else? Gregoire is learning German now somewhere. I never received any letter from him but some were saying that he’s got his address, his brother’s address also. You should find out! But some other books should come out from you people. A smaller book which can be given to people who are not yet Realised, or something - would be much better. Who are all the new people who have come today? Can you come forward? Please come! Please come! Come on. Come along, come along. Yes, come forward. Sit down here! Sit down! It’s very simple! Who else? Please come forward, all those who have come for the first time, or who are not yet Realised! Shri Mataji: How are you, I am asking. How is he? Alright? Ha? Alright now? How are you keeping? Yogi: A bit better now. A bit better. Shri Mataji: Heart? Still? But you’re much better now? Yogi: Much better. Shri Mataji: Much better eh? Just put your hands straight like this. Can you take out your socks, it would be better. You see we have to use the Mother Earth to take away some of our problems. If you could take out your socks please. Just put them down on the ground like that, straight! Just straight on the ground! Yeah? Just hold your ears and it will go away. What’s it? It’s his Agnya is a little bit. Close your eyes. Just close your eyes! Just close your eyes! Their Agnya is very strong. You’ve come for the first time there? You’ve got your Realisation? Seeker: Pardon Shri Mataji: Have you felt your vibrations? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Good! Where is Rustom? Yogini: I don’t know he should be here. Shri Mataji: He’s done lot of good. Let it be recorded, this will be good. What they do is to record all my vibrations and superimpose the lecture on that. So it has a double effect. What do you say it is? Yogis: Left Nabhi. Shri Mataji: This lady? It’s better? What do you say? Hmm? Yogi: Right Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Right Nabhi. That’s all? Yogi: Right Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Right? All right [side]? Yogini: Yes! Shri Mataji: And this one? Yogi: Left Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Left Nabhi? Yogini: Left Vishuddhi! Shri Mataji: All left. Ok, raise your Kundalini! They’ll get it. You all raise your Kundalini, all of you. Tie it up. Just say the mantra, my mantra and just raise your Kundalini! (Yogis take Mother’s three maha mantras.) I mean, try this one, is, “Twameva sakshat Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha.” That’s all! To establish me as Nirmala Devi is the point. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (They say it three times) Shri Mataji: Say it seven times. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (they say it four times more) Shri Mataji: Ha! Just see the vibrations! Let’s see, it’s alright! Feeling the cool air, cool in the hand? Yogini: Hmm! Shri Mataji: Feeling it, cool breeze like this? What about you? Not yet? Yes, it will work out. What about you? Put her left to the right. You went to some Guru or somebody? No? Did you take to drugs? Never? Seeker: Cigarrettes. Yogi: Cigarettes. Shri Mataji: What’s that? Yogi: Smoking. Shri Mataji: Smoking? Only ordinary cigarettes? Not that another style? She’s got it! Can you just see here? Close your eyes please, I care for it. Hmm? Put your attention absolutely loose! You are not to do anything, alright? Just leave it alone. Just don’t put it on a particular point, just leave it alone! Then it will work out! It has to just go up so just leave it alone! Close your eyes! What do you say? Peter? Left to the right. Peter: Yes. Shri Mataji: Raise left to the right. Now, raise the Kundalini! If Hamsa is catching you have to say Pranava or you can say Omkara, if you say Pranava or ‘Omkar’, you see, Om. The mantra for that. Try! Just say, “Twameva sakshat Omkar sakshat.” Just say that for the Hamsa! Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Omkara sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (the Yogis say it twice) Shri Mataji: See! See now! Vibrations have started from you? Yogis: hmm. Especially for TM people! Hello, Hester come along! May God bless you! You have been very dynamic? (laughing) Hester Spiro: I couldn’t come sooner. Shri Mataji: See! What do you say? Peter? It’s come to the Sahasrara. Alright? For Sahasrara it’s “Moksha Dayini" works out better, the Mantra. Just try! Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Moksha Dayini sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (Yogis say it three times) Shri Mataji: He’s got it! He’s got it now. Peter: Left and right, to centre-heart. Shri Mataji: It’s the centre-heart. But his vibrations are coming. Little bit hold your breath! Little bit hold your breath please. You must have done some pranayama. have you done some pranayama? The breathing-exercise? Seeker: Only a very small bit. Shri Mataji: You have done it. Hold your breath for a while, please! Om sakshat Jagadamba, Om sakshat Jagadamba, Om sakshat Jagadamba Om sakshat Jagadamba. Now alright? Tie it! Tie it up. All of you tie it up! If you tie it up, your own, you see, it will keep that thing tied up. It’s better now? Put your hands like this! (Break in recording) Shri Mataji: You have little heart, is it? So you come forward. Let’s see. You come forward and call him also. Hmm, let’s see. Come forward! Just be seated with your both the hands towards me. Alright! So all of you can do it now, sit down! Now, just put it. You all say the mantra on heart, of Shiva. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Shiva Parvati sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (Yogis say it three times) Shri Mataji: Say the Atma Paramatma – alright? Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Atma Paramatma sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. Shri Mataji: Say it again! Yogis: (like above) Shri Mataji: Again! Yogis: (repeat) Shri Mataji: Is it better now? Yogis: Yes. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Put your right hand again on the heart. Let’s see. Is it better? Is it? You all people raise your left to the right, would be better. Left to the right! Thrice! Do it fully, with heart in it. Do it with the full heart. Now raise your Kundalini, come along! You are alright. Both are alright, you have to work on her. She will be alright, don’t you worry, I’m just trying to work it out. Alright? Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? It’s good. Alright. Great, ha? Now what about her? Marcus? Marcus: Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Both? Both? Marcus: Hot. Shri Mataji: You are too young to smoke, isn’t it? When did you start? Lady: A long time ago. Shri Mataji: Now you are alright, isn’t it? You are alright aren’t you. It’s better! You’re this Hamsa is a problem. You did Pranayama, isn’t it? Seeker: Just a meditation with a candle before. Shri Mataji: Here? Alright, that’s why! It’s very bad here. But you are alright otherwise? Do you feel alright? What sort of a meditation you did? What was the name? Seeker: I was reading books and it was a meditation with a candle. Shri Mataji: Oh! Now. Better? I think keep your eyes open might help. That’s it, that’s Sahaja Yoga really does that job. You did it for many years? And there was no picture, nothing? On your own you did it? Just like that? This Lombard fellow, is it? Is that him? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: But who taught you this, prathak? Who told you about this style? Who was the man? Seeker: I read a book, some book about ??. Shri Mataji: That’s why you get this wobbling here. How is it? Wobbling? In the head? Seeker: (unclear) Shri Mataji: You see, the whole thing gets upset with this concentration. This is why you were getting all this trouble. Better now is he? Settled down? Ha? Better. Some patterns I have to teach you also that you have to make. Better now? Yogi: A little. Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Ha? Yogi: What I feel is left Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Left … better? (aside:) Just it takes away the energy. Now better? Hmm, better now! Much better! That’s why you met with an accident, you know? Because of this done by left. Another Yogi: Left Vishuddhi. I told you left Vishuddhi! Shri Mataji: Yes. Left, you know that. But it’s very bad. Better now? Ah! Now, better now? Yogi: Left Agnya! Shri Mataji: Cleared out! Yogi: Left Agnya! Shri Mataji: Now? Left Agnya. Alright! Yogi: Left Agnya. Shri Mataji: Ah? Yogi: It’s spinning from Left Heart and Left Agnya. Shri Mataji: Left Heart? It’s alright, it’s alright, it is just ?? Now they have become active, you see? Now! Good! Ha? Left! See how active it is. You can see the difference between this and that! Now? Cleared out? Give Bandhan to these new people here. Better. Ah! Give a bandhan to the Right Swadishthan. Ha! Raise it! Still on the left? You see he touched his Realisation. Now. Yogini: Vishnugranthi Shri Mataji: Ha? Yogini: Vishnugranthi! Yeah! Shri Mataji: Is it? Yogi: Right Vishuddhi. Yes! It is alright Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Right Vishuddhi? Right Vishuddhi yes. Hmm! Right Vishuddhi mantra is: Twameva sakshat Vitthala Rukumayi sakshat … Yogi: Vitthala? Shri Mataji: Vitthala Rukumayi! Yogi: Vitthala Rukumayi. Shri Mataji: Aha. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Vitthala Rukumayi sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (Yogis say it three times.) Shri Mataji: Hmm. Good? (laughing) Yes? If the Mantras are awakened, how powerful they can be! Alright? It’s good now? Is he Realised? Getting the vibrations? Let’s do it this way! Now, put your hands towards Me! I tell you, you see, if somebody doesn’t get the vibrations – why? If you turn on the Swadishthana like that, or on the Sahasrara, like this, you see, it works out! Come and see for yourself! Come! Come! Just turn it! See now how it is. It’s better? Just loose. Just turn it like a knob. You see, it is actually the damaru (डमरू) of Shiva. Damaru is that thing Yogi: Drum! Shri Mataji: Drum! That’s the drum. Alright? Getting cool breeze? That hand! Just try, he too has a heart-trouble. Just try somebody on him. Come along! Marcus or someone. Just try on him! Gavin, you just try! This way! Put one hand towards me and put your on the… you can help each other! Just put your hand, left hand towards Me! No! No! On the left hand. Yes on the left hand! Yes! Like this! Little open fingers, open fingers! Yes, like that. See? Rustom: It’s very powerful Shri Mataji: For your Heart to open out it is. Yogi: He’s certainly got a very hot Left Heart … Shri Mataji: Left Heart is, it’s opening out. You see, first it will become hot and then it will become alright, you see. Yogi: Agnya is hot. Shri Mataji: It is going to the Heart, you see? Now to the Agnya. Now turn to the Agnya. Turn your Agnya! Alright! Sit down comfortably! Rustom’s gone!! (Shri Mataji laughs) Back Agnya, is it? Back Agnya. Haaa! Haaa! Done. Another Yogi: Hamsa is still … Shri Mataji: Hamsa is the point, you see, Hamsa is the point. Take it out from my Hamsa is the best way, you see? You’ve done the greatest harm to your Hamsa. That’s the thing you have done. Just put your hand like towards him. How many people must be doing like this, isn’t it, in this world! This man who has published the book must be prosecuted! Put your hand towards Me! Really, they should be prosecuted. They have no business to teach such methods from which you get headaches, you get all kinds of problems. Just give hime, give him your vibration! Rustom: It also goes to right Heart, I think Mother. Across! Then up to Right Vishuddhi. Circular thing. Shri Mataji: Sarva Chakra Vibhedini. You just say, if it is going from one to another you just say Sarva Chakra Vibhedini. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Sarva Chakra Vibhedini sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. Shri Mataji: Say it! (Shri Mataji laughs very loud.) Yogi: Say it again? Shri Mataji: Again, again! Yogis: Om twameva sakshat … Shri Mataji: Right among the other! Yogis: …Shri Sarva Chakra Vibhedini sakshat Shri Adi Shakti sakshat Shri Bhagawati sakshat Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha. (then a third time) Shri Mataji: Alright now? What do you feel in both the hands? It is alright! Much better! Put yourself into Bandhan! May God bless you! He’s alright. Keep it up! For you the mantra is ‘Omkaar’. For the Hamsa. Omkaar. It will work out. It’s better now. You see, it’s very much spoiled, you know. Be careful! So say Omkar, Omkara always. It will keep you alright! Just now it is all troubling you from all angles. Alright, may God bless you! Now let’s have you here. I would like to see all of you, today, because we are all, most of us are Sahaja Yogis. Just see. Just you put your hands under my feet, let’s see what the problem is - heart. It is a low blood pressure also. Low blood pressure. Yogi: Left Swadishthana Rustom: He worked in a cemetery. Shri Mataji: No, you said you had given up. Yogis: I used to work in a cemetery. Shri Mataji: Still there! You hold it here, it’s the best. Just here. What I find is that your Superego gets combined here just forming a loop. Just hold it tight! Hmm. Now! Yogi: Left is week. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Rustom: From the Mooladhara. Shri Mataji: Cemetery! Hmm. Better! I’m sakshat Mahakali, I’m sakshat Mahakali, I’m sakshat Mahakali. Haaa! Rustom: Clean up to Heart. Heart and Left Vishuddhi.. Shri Mataji: Hmm! Yogi: ?? Shri Mataji: (laughs very loud:) Ha ha ha! Another Yogi: We had some frighteners when you were away! (laughing) Shri Mataji: You see? Rustom: It’s up to Vishuddhi now. Shri Mataji: Horrible things these cemeteries are! All over London! It’s burning! All the cemeteries I give them a bandhan. All the cemeteries of London and England. Better now? Yogi: It has opened up. Rustom: He’s also, I don’t know if he works too hard, but his Swadishthan is catching. Shri Mataji: No, no, he’s alright! He’s alright. You see this is the only cemetery business. You have brought with you the problems of those people of the cemetery. They should take their birth now and they should come back to get their liberation. So it’s good in a way. How are you better? Yogi: Yeah, I get a lot of heat. Shri Mataji: Now what has happening just now? Better now? Is cool coming in? Yogi: Yeah, it’s coming in better now. Shri Mataji: So, you write the name of the cemetery. Get it nice now! Yogi: Symmetry? Shri Mataji: Cemetery! Yogi: Oh, cemetery! Shri Mataji: So that! When you write that you beat all the people who are there. Give it a bandhan. Alright? and they take away, alright? Gavin Brown: So Mother, if it’s the Last Judgment then there must be the resurrection so that they come. Shri Mataji: That’s why they have to come! You see that’s a good thing. This is the last judgment! I didn’t tell you this? Yogi: You did yes. Shri Mataji: Alright. You have to be alright! Population that’s why it is increasing. Good. May God bless you! I will see this girl now. Let’s see what’s the matter with here. Come and sit here, facing that side! Now,face that side! Come along! What’s your name? Seeker: Helen. Shri Mataji: Who? Helen: Helen! Shri Mataji: Helen. Now, you be careful, alright? Just sit like that! Can you … Yogi: Bring your feet forward Helen. Shri Mataji: Now with the, what do you call them? Crossed legs? Can you? Yes, come along! Now let me see, what’s the matter here? Oh God, you didn’t get any pain over there? Helen: No. Shri Mataji: No? It’s like a spondylitis. It is. Haaaa! What’s the time now? Rustom: Twenty to eight Mother. Shri Mataji: But I have to see all of you on my feet. Hello! How are you? Rustom: Three more new people have just come. Shri Mataji: Yes. Whom you have given Realisation. Hello! Come here, I would like to meet the new people. Hmm! This Lady? Yogi: She’s the mother of Malcolm [Murdoch], she came to You before. Shri Mataji: Ahh! So changed, you know! Sit down! Sit down! Come along! Please be seated! Yes! Come! Come up! Hello. He’s very good. I saw him there. Get a chair for yourself. Now, can you put your both the hands under my feet? Hmm? Be careful now! Oh God! It is very hot, na? Ah, your hands are very hot! I never knew smoking could be that bad. Seeker: I don’t smoke that much. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Rustom: She doesn’t smoke that much Mother. Shri Mataji: No, that’s why I am saying. Did you say any Mantras or something? Yogini: No, Shri Mataji. Rustom: Have you said any Mantras? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: No? Nothing? Yogi: I can ask her. What work do you do? Shri Mataji: What work do you do? Seeker: None at the moment. Yogi: Have you done anything in the past? Seeker: I have been a student for three years. Rustom: She has been a student, Mother! What else? Shri Mataji: Hmm! What student? Hmm? Seeker: Arts! Shri Mataji: Hmm? Seeker: Arts! Shri Mataji: Arts. But you have been getting colds and things like that, in your past? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: There is another problem. I think, you see – here the people don’t understand hot and colds alright. That maybe the trouble. Her Vishuddhi is completely frozen. How are you? You need to tell me your names now I would like to know. A little loudly, because really I am not very good at English names. Come along let’s have it! Yogi: Kingsley. Shri Mataji: Kingsley? What a nice name. Yogini: Sarah! Shri Mataji: Sarah. Yogini: Dowling, Dowling. Shri Mataji: Dowling? Another Yogi: John. Yogini: Nell! Shri Mataji: N-E-I-L? Yogini: No. ’N’, ‘e’, double ‘l’. Shri Mataji: ’N’, ‘e’, double ‘l’. Yogi: Noel. Shri Mataji: Noel. Yogini: Olivia, Olivia. Shri Mataji: Olivia. Another Yogi: Darrel. Yogini: Grace. Shri Mataji: How you said? Yogini: Grace Mother Yogi: Grace. Shri Mataji: Grace. Grace. Aha. They have told you all about Sahaja Yog? How to go deep into it? How to help others? How to help yourself? From next time I will starting the series on Sahaja Yoga again. Today I just wanted to meet all of you. So have you been, anyone of you have been to gurus or someone? No? None of you? Yogi: You have have you? New Australian yogi: Yes! Shri Mataji: Which one? New Australian yogi: I have been in India for a while studying a manual in Tibetan Buddhism. Rustom: Tibetan Buddhists, Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh God! Rustom: The Agnya, he’s got a big scar right across the Agnya. Shri Mataji: They didn’t beat you, or something? New Australian yogi: No, they don’t beat people. Shri Mataji: But you see one fellow who was here, he comes quiet often, what’s his name Gavin? Yogi: Om. Shri Mataji: They beat him also. Yogi: Om! Shri Mataji: Om, he calls himself ‘Om’. Poor thing. They used to beat him. Now they have started here as well. Yesterday, there was a big programme (on the television) about these Buddhists. Gavin: That was the one it came from. Remember that very nice one who came to the programme? Shri Mataji: Is it? Gavin: He came from the same place. Shri Mataji: Ah! Really? Peter Pearce: They asked if you could come and give them a talk some day and I said.. Shri Mataji: But it may be against their principles, you see. Yesterday they were talking. You know, what were doing [was] nothing but offering food: how do eat the food, how to mix the food and all this nonsense you know! Where is Sahaja Yoga, and where is all this going on? So if I tell them, “All this is not going to lead you anywhere!” they might be shocked. I can go and talk to them in any case, let’s see. They won’t beat me in any case! (laughter) Because this is going too far! I watched it a little bit and I was amazed, you see. One [buddhist] brought a bowl with a ‘proper’ sort of a protocol and he sat before the person, bent his knees and gave the bowl to the other fellow who took it very seriously. (laughter) Then he mixed up something and then they made six bowls out of it! Isn’t it? All this goes on! Peter Pearce: I didn’t see. Shri Mataji: You didn’t go to this one? Yogi: He was in India. Shri Mataji: You were in India? New Australian yogi: I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Shri Mataji: Where did you go? You went to the same place where this TV business is? Seeker: Ah, no - I don’t know. Yogi: This was somewhere in England … Shri Mataji: Hmm, but where were you in India? New Australian yogi: Mainly all over the himalayas. Shri Mataji: Oh God! Now you ask the question, “Mother, are you the Himalaya?” Yogi: Ask: Mother are you the Himalayas? New Australian yogi: Are you the Himalaya? Shri Mataji: You just say, “Mother are you the Himalayas?” New Australian yogi: Mother, are you the Himalayas? Shri Mataji: Again. New Australian yogi: Mother, are you the Himalayas? Shri Mataji: Again. New Australian yogi: Mother, are you the Himalayas? Rustom: Perhaps he should ask you also, “Are You the Daughter of the Himalayas?” Shri Mataji: That’s going too far! (laughter) Is it alright now. Better? Better now? Rustom: He’s very cool now Mother. He’s just got something in the Agnya otherwise it’s all cool. Shri Mataji: Did they touch your forehead – these people? New Australian yogi: They said when I was one years old there was an accident. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. They did not touch it then? New Australian yogi: Oh no. They did a great benefit. Rustom: They didn’t touch you here on your forehead did they? New Australian yogi: Occasionally. Rustom: Occasionally. How? New Australian yogi: Like similar to the Hindu tradition. Rustom: They put something on top? New Australian yogi: Similar. I mean, it’s basically the same. (Mother starts looking after another seeker, this one a woman.) Shri Mataji: Better now? Are you better? Hmm? You get involved with the things too much, is it? You get involved … New Australian yogi: Not particularly. Shri Mataji: You keep aloof? New Australian yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: This also can work out. If you keep aloof before Realisation. New Australian yogi: If you keep aloof? Shri Mataji: Aloof. You see? Before Realisation - anadikar it is. You have to become this… Rustom: Ah I see, Shri Mataji, otherwise you just … Shri Mataji: You see, it is artificial. You see the point? Rustom: So that’s why the Vishuddhi catches because she’s not involved in the play of life. Shri Mataji: You see, she is not yet a sakshi. She should be in it. That is just like taking a sanyasa. It is artificial. This should happen to you, isn’t it? The aloofness should happen to you. You should not act as if you are aloof. You are not. Haaa! See? Better now? Clearer? Shri Mataji: Now let’s see the cool breeze. Just turn around. Put your hands out. You got it? You feel cool breeze? Coming out. You got it. Seeker: I feel Superego. Shri Mataji: A little bit is there. But you are still a student? Seeker: No I’ve finished now.o Shri Mataji: You have finished now? Where were you studying? Seeker: Manchester. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Seeker: Manchester. Shri Mataji: And it’s over? Seeker: It’s up north, a town up north. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Now better, you are relaxed? Seeker: Yeah. I had a pain in the back before but it’s gone now. Shri Mataji: You see. Now. Better now? Her eyes are dilated, she’s alright. She’ll be alright. She has to be given [my] photograph and she has to work out a little. See her eyes, how much dilated they are. You see. They are looking black. Agnya, see your Agnya! Come here, Come on! Sit forward. If you can take out your socks will be a good idea. Hmm? Shri Mataji: You got it stitched here or…? (Mother must be referring to stiches on a cut on the seeker who went to the Tibetan Buddhists) New Australian yogi: No, it’s from fat and oil, burning oil. Shri Mataji: He’s a saint, so how they burn, just see! This is negative forces. How they attack a saint! Rustom: A bit of Hamsa. Shri Mataji: The Hamsa is, that’s why I was all the time today putting on to the Hamsa. Shri Mataji: Hello, how are you? Bala couldn’t come today? Rustom: No, I think he has to work. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Rustom: But he tends to come now and again. Shri Mataji: Hmm. See how Kundalini clears your heads! You can see. It flows down. Just now, you can see how it is just now so [that] later on you will know. Just see how many bumps here and there. The head is not even. But as you will grow, you will be amazed how your head will be very even and won’t be any bumps or anything. The Nabhi also has caught, right Nabhi. Rustom: Nabhi, Void, Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Hmm! Shri Mataji: Ha! It’s better? Rustom: Left Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Turn around. Turn around. They are the parasites, I tell you, real parasites! Yesterday they were all English people, Are they all English? Yogini: Some are Canadian. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Yogini: Some were Canadian. Shri Mataji: They are difficult. Canadians have a difficulty. It’s good, put your hands just to me! He’s got it. Rustom: Catching the Agnya. Yogi: How old are you? Seeker: Sixteen. Shri Mataji: Pituitary. Left to the Right. (Mother talks to a small child ) Oh no! What have you got? Where’s mummy? She’s there? She hasn’t come? Child: She’s at nanny’s house. Shri Mataji: She’s at nanny’s house? Child: Yes. Shri Mataji: Where’s the little one? She’s with nanny? Child: Yes. Shri Mataji: How many Vishuddhi are there? You see? How clear? See how it clears - the Viraat. You see, the pituitary controls the Viraat. Yogi: And it’s Krishna who controls the Viraat. Shri Mataji: With Krishna is the great height, you see. And the pituitary when it is dwarfed, you see, the both combinations are the connection between the two. [It’s] not difficult to me. He is the son, He’s the Father. You see, are his parents Catholic? Yogi: No Shri Mataji: Protestant? Yogi: No. Shri Mataji: What Church? Yogi: He doesn’t go to Church. Shri Mataji: No? Better now? This is the place they come but. Shri Mataji: Not married as yet? Or they told you not to get married, or something like that? New Australian yogi: Nothing like that. Shri Mataji: Nothing like that? Good. So now you think of your marriage just for a while. Will you? Not of sanyasa. Ha! You see? It’s better? Hmm! Another Yogi: I’m still feeling some Void. Shri Mataji: Void? Void are you feeling? Alright, ask a question you but remove the hands here, alright? Ask a question looking at my [Agnya?], “Mother, are You the primordial Master?” Yogi: Mother are you the primordial Master? Shri Mataji: Again! Yogi: Mother, are you the primordial Master? Shri Mataji: Again! Yogi: Mother, are you the primordial Master? Shri Mataji: Good! Another Yogi: It’s cleared. Shri Mataji: Hmm? It has moved up. Moves from Heart. Heart. It has come up to the Heart.

10/14/1979

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Seminar, How to deal with Scientists

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First western seminar: "How to handle scientists. Our powers". Easthampstead Park, London (UK), 14 October 1979. The thing that you are doing…you do not know. It will be something like the lights which are burning in the dense forest to guide thousands of lights. They are not aware of it. It’s a tremendous task and when you have such a big load on your mind how can you sleep? You are carrying their loads also. We’ll be sleeping very well but first we must know we have a very big load. Just think of the people who are still nowhere near Sahaja yoga. And still are committing mistakes after mistakes. When are they going to come around? Only through your channels I can clear them because as far as I am concerned I am absolutely useless for anyone of them. Only through your channels I can work it out. It’s like a tin opener you know. We don’t have a tin opener you may be a Hercules you cannot open a tin. It’s something like that. I’ll expect you all are like tin openers for Me. (Laughter in background) Very important, that I have to have you, very handy to work it out. It's only you can do it. I cannot do it. Moreover My mood is such a horrid stuff that it recedes back. It’s only you (who) stick Me to those people. It recedes back you know. And these deities are another thing. They are such proud ones that they just can’t bear it and they are over-sensitive to all the filth and ugliness. So you are the people who can bear it and can witness and understand because they are your brethren. Supposing you were born realized you would have been a little less useful to Me. Because born realized have this cynicism in them. They (are), “Oh, what does it matter. Let them bear it. Who cares for them. They are different type. I am a crazy man. They are different. It happens with them sometimes. That’s why Joseph sometimes talks to the king. (laughter) You know why? Because you have been so busy. From the very beginning. Yogi: Well it just started happening recently ... uhh. (laughter in the background) Shri Mataji: Because, recently your are more confident and you find it so boring that you think whether go and talk to the king. Yogi: I also told Deep as well. I do tell Deep about …. Shri Mataji: Yeah, but I would say that you see it is a common experience of a person naturally because you see if you are born like that and all your life. I mean I can quite understand. You see other people live crazy and mad and you are called as crazy. Naturally you see you develop a kind of a cynicism about it. But there should be a longing and absolute feeling, of great concern for all those are not there now. I don’t know if you can think that way. I can feel their bhoots sitting …and I can feel their hankering in their seeking and all their sincerity about it. They might have done wrong. I know they have gone to horrible gurus and all kinds of things which are absolutely wrong and self destroying. I agree that. But still if it is your own child. You feel a concern till the end to save him. And the worst they are the more you feel about it. That concern is with [UNCLEAR TEXT] within you because you have got this joy. And it is you only who can give this joy. They have denied so far all the realized souls and that’s why the higher types, only very higher types could have that compassion for them. They thought all right let’s fight them out, doesn’t matter. And some of the realized souls which…whom I know, who are of very a very high quality, they sit down with a big rod in their hands. Anybody comes near they stick them back. That’s all… That’s (the) only thing they can give. They just can’t bear them. They say, “We don’t want to do anything with them.” But you are different type. That’s why a special race arises. That you are a special race, created, which is realized and have that concern, that feeling, that oneness. You feel that oneness. It’s like one saree you see. If few threads are caught up, all the threads are caught. You just can’t leave the rest of it. It’s one part. Whole thing has to be brought in. How many seekers there are in this country? Have you any statistics. All of them are to be brought around. Can you? Can be done. If you have any problems you ask me. If you want to know anything you have to tell me. Everything, everything I will tell you. But don’t waste your energies on something that won’t be needed for your life. Anything you that you ask I would love to answer your questions and tell you because tomorrow you will be facing these problems. You will not know how to deal with them, how to answer them. Let’s ask some questions. You can take few minutes. Anything about Sahaja yoga, anything about kundalaini, anything about… Yogi: We have been .. uhh…trying some people ...in private ceremonies…our private …you know. They all [UNCLEAR TEXT/allow] scientific [UNCLEAR TEXT]… scientific pattern, scientific proof. Specifically if You can tell us something like that… which is sort of…I really know the benefit… Shri Mataji: I’ll tell you some of the scientific facts, you see. Uhh..now see, it depends on what you want to prove to them. Supposing you want to prove to them…whether there is God or not. This is one fundamental question of the scientist. Of course now they are reaching somewhere there. They are themselves reaching out. You see those who are beating here and they are reaching to that point. Because the other day I saw one gentleman describing all these antibodies and everything and he has [UNCLEAR TEXT/ ahead] put up one God also there. He said, “Without these we cannot explain rest of the stuff.” That’s how he was going on. But depends on what question they are asking about what…to give them scientific thing. Now for example if you have to say there is God or not. There are on two three point you can easily convince them that there is God. First of all that this earth has seceded from the sun say about two billion years… at the most and since then the time that has been taken to form a human being has been very short even to produce a cell according to law of chance. Now Regis knows what is law of chance. Law of chance is like this that if you have say fifty white and fifty red pebbles in a jar and if you disorganize them and after complete disorganization you try to again organize them that they become fifty again on top white and the fifty red below, it takes a particular number of shaking. Minimum of so much shaking has to be done. Suppose you call it x, x you can call it x…or you can call it n number of six, seven whatever it is… or alright let us call it, x. That x number of times you have to shake. So even to get an amoeba which is a living animal, which is an organized animal is a unicellular animal, even to get that if you calculate, you take… you’ll take much more time than two billion years. Even to do that. But to create this human beings in such a short time…which is an impossibility according to the law of chance. How it has been worked out is the question. When you can’t answer that question that means there is some juggler who does the job. Now there is a juggler who knows how to do it in a short time. This is one of the very very strong things which shows that the working of the nature has been so fast that it cannot explain scientifically how a human being so complicated has been created. It’s one important point you can, one very good point, you see, as far as the creation is concerned. There are so many other things like the way earth is moving, moon is moving and everything is moving and controlled and it is kept in such a way that human beings who are living on this speedily moving earth do not feel any speed or do not feel any sound. They are moving in this atmosphere and how the atmosphere is also moving, the way it is done, needs a tremendous organization. It cannot be done by any human effort or by any chance. A chance cannot do all these things together. Then also we can say that the whole, the Mother Earth and all those things have such a balancing capacity. I mean we do not want to see the miracles of life. They cannot explain, scientist, how of everything. See supposing you watch a small little leaf under a microscope what a beautiful pattern and how it is managed so the circulation of water is properly done and is going from one end to another. Then the exposure to sun is in such a way that the suction of water goes on. It is such a fast one that in one minute the water can reach sixty feet. This cannot be done by any suction power as it can be done by this. Now they might say yes the reason is there is a hormone which works this way, that way. Alright, but who has put the hormone there? Who controls the heights of different trees? For example a rose cannot grow like a palm tree. Why not? A seed of mango will give you a coconut by chance? It is never done. Why? How? Why there is gravity in the earth? There is no question science has answered so far, I tell you that. What they have done, now there a chair, alright, take the chair and take out the part of it and see what it is. This is there, this is there, this is there, this is there,…that’s all. Supposing you come to this house you see. This house is here… this is here...this [UNCLEAR TEXT] are there. This is built like this. This is built and made of this mortar. That happened. But how this house was built? When was it built? Who built it? What is the purpose? These things are not answered. Science itself is very naïve. Actually it was unnecessary according to Me to go into science at all there was no need at all to me. You tell Me one thing that was important. Somebody told Me the other day we have got aeroplanes. We had aeroplanes in India at the time [INAUDIBLE]….how do you have condor as you have? See there is a God, there is an Indian God Vishnu, just imagine Vishnu who visited our country on a condor. That’s what our Indians tell us. Nobody stated this. That is Garuda. We both were amazed at this. Now how they can come to know. We also know in Africa they came to know about the Sun. Much before all your sciences came. How did they know? From where did they get this knowledge? You can know each and everything about all these things by going to your supra conscious area. I told about Big Bang. I never knew about Big Bang. About 1970 I told them about Big Bang. Openly I didn’t know there was a Bigbang theory or whatever is star. I told the whole universe was moving in a spiral and the other day they said, “I have discovered it.” It’s in My book also, I have written down if you see that. Everything that you want to know you can know through supraconcious area, everything you can. But what happens when you are not absolutely free and absolutely developed then if you go to supra conscious area, what happens that one of these devils can sit on you and can give you ideas. And that’s how when the people in Colombia used to take something like LSD they got these ideas and they could go into supra conscious and see Vishnu visiting them. This is all supra conscious knowledge. You can get all that. About the hell now, what is a hell? What is in the subconscious area? And what are the devils? You can know by going to that thing. It is not difficult. The other day we, I had an engineer from India and the other fellow was saying that he has a….he gets into double bodies and his body goes out and he says that I can sees the bhoots and everything. I’ve seen bhudhaiet spirits coming out, then I have seen this, and I have seen that…he was explaining everything to me. I said, “Depends.” What’s all I told you about bhoots he was telling ten times more about that. You can see. So that knowledge, you don’t have to go to science for that. What moreover ….Science cannot tell you anything about bhoots. It cannot tell you about supra conscious bhoots. Otherwise it could have protected you. It has not. If it has protected I would have understood. But by science you are not protected. You are not at all protected. You have created atomic bombs. Very nice. I mean nothing else could be created by human beings but atomic bomb. For a person like that how do I feel, about the intelligence and the wisdom of human beings to create atomic bomb. But what has saved you is the fear of science. This is God’s play. The atomic bomb that you have produced has put you down. Now if you start any tricks there are only certain switches, you see. So the fear of science has brought this. But you need not tell a scientist that science has done like this because he can not [UNCLEAR TEXT]. You say science [UNCLEAR TEXT/in your …] no doubt, we accept. But with science what good it has happened? How to pamper a scientist I tell you. I tell you something. You can say that by science we realize that there are many things we cannot explain. One thing in the body you can say that anything foreign that goes in the body is thrown away. But when there is fetus formation it is neither thrown away nor it is destroyed, on the contrary it is looked after nurtured and thrown away at a time it is absolutely ready to come out and face the world. Now who does this job? Who controls your [UNCLEAR TEXT] times. Then another thing which is a very, very, very scientific thing to impress on them, I would say. There are two chemical known as acytacholine and adrenaline which doctor use and all the doctors know. They, doctors say that the mode of action of these two chemicals in human body we do not know. Because they may augment, means constrict or they may relax. How can it be? Supposing it is a chemical it has to act as it is. Either it will augment or it would relax. But some places they augment and some places they relax. So what is the explanation for this? They say the mode of action of these chemicals in the human bodies cannot be explained. But we can explain that there are deities who are doing this job. So you have come so far that these are these hurdles. There are many like this. I mean you can give so many arguments where they cannot explain how these things happen, how it works out. You take a little eye of a human being and you tell them to construct one like this. They cannot. So you tell them these are the problems of the science. They cannot explain how it works out. How it cooperates with other things? How the nature’s cycle works out? How the whole thing is so beautifully arranged? Like the leaves have to fall during winter time because the Mother Earth is to be nourished by the Nitrogen. So the leaves have to fall down to nourish the Mother Earth. Then again She nourishes them back. So the, the Sun has to move on an axis in such a manner that there is a winter and there is a summer. By changing a variations of these thing only life can be produced and maintained. If it was a solid God sitting like a rock and a cold, complete, no movement of any kind, then no life nor day, or nothing would have come. But the scientist, they think that God is like that. That’s why they are confused. If they understand that He acts into every human being and into every particle… You can ask them, say, a sulfur dioxide molecule if you take and if you see it through microscope you can see it is pulsating. And some of the pulsations are isometric and some are symmetric. Just imagine, in a molecule…And then these mesotoms and all those, they act arbitrarily? How do you explain all these things? The thousand and one things one can tell about scientists which they cannot explain. Sahaja yoga can explain it by one short that there are deities within you. Now how do we prove it scientifically? There was a doctor who was suffering from cancer, who came to me. And he was an ardent Muslim. And I told him to take the name of Nanaka. He said I would not. I can only take the name of Muhammad. I said, Muhammad himself is angry with you because you are such a fanatic. Because Muhammad was born as Nanaka. He said, “No, I cannot take His name.” “Alright”, I said, “Go ahead.” I said alright take the name of Dattatreya. He would not take. He would not take the name of Mosses. He said, “I only know Muhammad.” But then he was very much worse. Then he came to Me. I said now take the name of Dattatreya. You won’t believe he sat down. He said, “Mother, teach me how to do puja of Dattatreya.” And he got much better. I must say. There was another gentleman who was a staunch Hindu. And if they are staunch they are the worst they can become. (laughter) And I told him that he has to take the name of Muhammad. And he would not. He said, “You are finishing my religion. What are you doing? You are blasphemous.” All kind of things he said. I said, “Alright you can say whatever you like.” After one year he, again he appeared, in Delhi. And then I told him, ”Now will you take the name of Mohammad Sahib and do some Namaz?” And he read it. And he is alright. See if you understand the true nature of all the deities you can cure people. You can awaken. You have seen that only by taking the name of Mataji the other day how many people got cured. You have seen yourself. Now if people are getting cured, say they are getting alright by saying some name, what’s the harm? You don’t have to pay anything to God. Or do they prefer to die in martyrdom? But they will not take the name of God. See this is stupidity. And if they are real scientist they must keep an open mind. Otherwise they are not a scientist at all. You see Avogadro’s hypothesis they had which was changed. He proved his laws. They have a hypothesis always. Which is to be proved by law. It was proved. But then they discarded it. Newton’s laws were discarded today. They have to keep an open mind otherwise they are not scientist. If they are open minded they can see for themselves. Now the only difference between science and Sahaja yoga is this. That Sahaja yoga deals with the living vital force while science deals with the dead. But scientifically you can show them the pulsation of Kundalini at the base. With a stethoscope they can feel at different levels the pulsation with their stethoscope when the Kundalini is rising. They can see the dilatation of the pupil. This is also a controversial problem for them. They don’t know whether it is sympathetic or para-sympathetic. But it is parasympathetic. Because the children if you see their eyes are dilated that’s why. It is parasympathetic, when their this thing is open. Then their eyes are dilated. When it closes down then only their eyes are constricted. Otherwise you can see children all the time looking like that, you see, with big big eyes and their dilated pupils. So this is a controversial point with them. They cannot decide still if it is parasympathetic or sympathetic. But the dilatation of the pupil is so strong, it's something. We have a [UNCLEAR/guru] Punjabi doctor, lady doctor. She came to Me and I was trying on her and it would not work out. Then I told her may be on your way you might get it… realization. And while she was driving you know, for a while she could not see anything. She took her car on one side and she went there and she told Me, “Is it that the pupils are very much dilated because as soon as I came in the hospital the doctor said what has happened? Your pupils are very much dilated. So she went and saw and she telephoned to Me. I said, “Yes.” And one boy, he has closed his eyes and when he opened his eyes he saw this blackening and he got fright. He said, “I have become blind Mother”. The second moment he was alright. Now by raising your hand if you can dilate the pupil of somebody there must be something about it. What more scientific thing you want? I mean it is easy to make people dance take their clothes and become naked, or say some mantras and things like that. But this is the happening within yourself you can say. You can also show a person has, say, liver trouble. You can immediately see that at the liver point only Kundalini in going and pulsating and working out. If you see that, immediately you can say, this is, see he is suffering from liver. Here is the Kundalaini. And you give a little support from your hand there. You will find that Kundlalini finds its way up. Because She goes to the places where it is a problem. You have so many things you can see with your own eyes and that is what science is. You can see the face of a person changing when this is working out. You..you …you make two photographs, one before and after, especially Marylin. You see before realization and after realization every one of them. You should have a photograph of your [UNCLEAR TEXT] and you see the difference in the person. The face in just a short time…His face is…just see his…after the puja you know. I mean the face changes so much that I do not recognize them. I said, ”Have you come for the first time?” You see so much change if you see her. Do people remark that? Yogini: Mmm..[ UNCLEAR TEXT] Shri Mataji: Hmm? Every one? Very much? The, the completion becomes radiant. And the face looks so relaxed you see. And the serenity comes on you. It is something surprising sometimes happens. See, the other day I had gone with one of these the Sir…the Sharada Devi…to a program, to a reception. And there a lady met Me and afterwards…and I told her she is a very good singer and this and that and...So she met Me and said, “Where is Your sister? Where is she gone?” I said, “Who’s that?” “The one who used to sing very well”. I said “Which one?” And she said she thought I had come with her. I said, “She is not My sister. She is My disciple.” Oh but you know, thought there was common between you. Of course she wasn’t [UNCLEAR TEXT]. Shri Mataji : If only I was [UNCLEAR TEXT/ suggested]. Hmm? [INAUDIBLE Yogi and Shri Mataji speak.] Shri Mataji : Then what I did I started singing Myself to save Myself from the play you see. But also there many must have got realization there. So when Chirananda told Me about this Muktanand I was really frightened. So you better beat him with shoes. Lady: It is meal time. Shri Mataji: You are coming to normal now. Lady: I feel much better. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Much better now? Lady: Yeah. Shri Mataji: You are much better. Shri Mataji: That will be good food to you? Yogi : Hmm it is…very good. Shri Mataji: They had a very small and a short ceremony. Very interesting. Did you listen to the tape I made about the…Did you follow the Granti business? Yogi: Granthi business? Yeah.. Shri Mataji: Ghranti. That you were asking which are these in between things. And …I have told them nine chakras. Apart from the two the Chandra and Soorya. That also I have given, the name of them. Yogi: These are very powerful because nearly to go and say the bija mantra. Shri Mataji: Umm? Yogi: I said nearly to go and say the bija mantras with lot of people. It will be.. Shri Mataji : It must be…But you see it was done when Anand was shouting from one side. Aaradhana was coming from another side. And I thought it would never be done. Then they saw…when he came I was, we were trying to search it in another paper. It has to be in the hubbub of life because if you have to seek every time the loneliness we cannot and it so happens that the loneliness can be revived, it can be awakened there. But we have to face that hubhub all the time. So when you can retain it in that hubhub then you should know that we are definitely something. Otherwise like a ship which is standing in the,… say, in the…in the dry docks and the people are repairing it. So it…it may look very nice and perfectly alright but once it faces the sea then only you will know whether it is correct or not. In the same way everyone of us have to go back into the same hubhub and we have to face the same life and the same thing to find out how far we are in Sahajayoga. Are we really there or not? Have we really achieved something or not? Because here nature helps you. You are so much secluded and you reach a certain accent. But if the property is completely built in you then where ever you are you can see that, very clearly. You can feel that inside outside all the time, wherever you may be. But this is a very good idea to come here to build up yourself and then go and face them. Again come here and build up yourself and go and face the world. After some time you will become like temples. Those who will come in your company will feel it. They will seek your company for comfort. That’s going to happen. (Shri Mataji speaks away from mike) [INAUDIBLE/that’s the same …with cinnamon….both are……that’s all] Shri Mataji: Just tell Me what have you talked and what has happened and what they have been, what have they really…What have they got it…out of this ceremony? Gaurav? Yogi : You take very hard to follow the way recording and sound of the bija mantra. I think more [UNCLEAR TEXT/balanced as a ….. ] the language. Depends on the language. They couldn’t may be understand that. Shri Mataji: They could not understand that? Yogi: Ahh…I think there was, may, be one of them, they did not understand that. I think… Shri Mataji: But that is not to be understood so much. Yogi: Yeah.. Shri Mataji: Has to be felt. Another yogi: I think it was the tape for vibrations, not for understanding. Because I couldn’t understand either. (Laughter) That’s so funny because… Shri Mataji: Yeah. That’s what…Yeah,but.. but still, but still, I must say, it is to be mastered, that’s true. Yogi: That’s what I thought. I couldn’t understand. Because it has to be…. Shri Mataji: Hmm. But it will take some time for you to master those sounds. Now what you have to do is to have a paper and pencil, and your diary. And in that you should right down all the sounds which are on different chakras. (Shri Mataji say to someone in background) I think enough. So once you write down all the sounds at least you can use them whenever there is a problem on a chakra. Now in case you meet somebody, you see, who is telling you that this is the mantra I have taken and this is the mantra I have taken, then, then you can always explain that, you see, these are the bija mantras actually. These are the real mantras. Then there could be mantras like other deity names are there. And there could be mantras according to the three Trigunas as you call them, the three channels. There are different mantras for that. But this kind of a mantra has no meaning. Because when the Kundalini moves Her movements give these sounds. So for anybody to have one mantra and sit down on that has no meaning. And why don’t you ask your guru why this particular mantra has been given to you? There must be some reason. By telling this one thing will be clear to him that you understand what is given to you. It’s not just given to somebody, Bala come along...now say this manta. It’s not that. But they will understand that there is something behind…it is not just blindly said that alright this is a, Alex has said that this is a toothpaste. Come along, use this toothpaste and they will be alright. It’s not like that. You not only understand that what is the mantra, how it works, where it is created and what are the diseases, and what are the problems, and where to use them. All this knowledge if you give them you see, they will also understand that so much you know about it. Otherwise most of this gurus, I talked to one teacher of one of these things and I was amazed I mean that he did not know anything about, anything whatsoever. I said what do you do? He said, “Nothing, I just close my eyes and I get some names in my head and I tell the fellow that this is the name that you have to take.” I said, “Now how do you get it? From where do you get it? Why do you get it?” Now you all know what it is. You know it is the spirit which comes like that. And ones spirit telling another this thing. All, this is all is very nicely managed. You see, it’s all, a, a secret work going on. And the man who is working it out doesn’t know how it works out. So when you talk to people you can explain in such a way that other person can understand that this man knows actually what is true. So little bit you have to master it and understand it, what are the mantras and this that. This is for people who have to deal with other people and those who want to go into details of every chakras. But for raising Kundalini you have to just raise your hand. [INAUDIBLE/…. ] you have to bother. But the basics are unless and until you talk great, I mean something sensible, people are not going to believe in your hand moving. They will say, “What are you doing like this? And why are you moving your hands like that? And why do you want to do like that?” They are going to ask questions. They are going to. It’s a human nature not to accept things you see. Especially reality they do not want to accept. If it is some rumble tumble somehow it sticks to them...human beings…falsehood…much faster than reality. That’s why all real gurus, all real incarnations have really suffered a lot. They never had any support from general public or anyone. But all false people have such publicity. There was there, horrible once who visited Delhi. And there was no movement in the chakra. I mean God knows how many of them were just trying to see his horrible face. Like none would, all of them were running. And what did they get? God only knows what did they get? Some of the rich people will get some diamond this that. But they lost only if their diamond. But that is how human nature is. And when you have to talk to them, so clearly it shocks them you know. It really shocks them to...if you tell something against a guru or someone, they’ll get a shock. Not because they are convinced about the guru. Not because of that. But because they are possessed by the gurus. So if you tell them that this is wrong , you should not have done it. I mean you have tell them. There is no compromise with the truth. I mean whatever is wrong is wrong. Whatever is poison, is poison. We have to say that. But if you tell somebody they get a shock and they don’t like it and they just don’t want to hear about it. It shocks them. Then secondly when they come to their senses another shock that comes to them they say, “Don’t believe! How can be we fooled so?” This also goes against Sahaja yoga because if you start pitying yourself and sort of cursing yourself on it then that’s also not good for Sahaja yoga. So that’s the second point of cursing. So for human psychology it is necessary that you should be able to talk about it. A very good talk and I can assure you can do lots more. Because now you are awakened and your chakras are awakened. This is an awakening and this has the power of awakening. This is the all pervading power which is being awakened within you. And thereby talking to others you awaken their powers which are still not awakened. So when you talk to them also and if you do not have left Vishuddhi of course… Left Vishuddhi is a very dangerous thing, that’s why. Because from left Vishuddhi the ideas start coming out and you just forget mixed up with that and then you do not speak but the devil there suggests stories. But if your left Vishuddhi is very clear and then you talk you will be amazed that every word will be a mantra. This is granted. It is such a fantastic thing, this sahja yoga is that people are not willing to believe in themselves and into their powers. It’s such a tremendous power. If you want to use it you start out, just start out and you will be amazed how it works out. Bala has tried it and asked. He must be very much stunned in the very beginning. How it’s happening? Isn’t it? How it’s rising? It’s very astounding but gradually you realize it. And there are still many experiences you will be having that you will be amazed at it because this is something like the dynamic force of the whole universe. This is so all pervading. Is the Ganesha tattwa (principal) as you call it, the principle itself. It’s all pervading. You think Christ is somebody who died on the cross. No absolutely it is wrong idea. That cross exists in everything, in every particle of this, you can say, this building…whatever is this building. It is in every particle of the whole universe that it is made of. Not even a particle is devoid of it. Only thing it is to be awakened. That is there. And that you can do it because you have that now in your sound. Your own sound is now awakened. But as you know, even if you would say put light to this candle, the candle is ready, if it is perfectly alright then it…it is...it is enlightened by a candle. But still your…your candle should be also alright. It should be able to go to the right position for that candle so that it receives the light. All these things are very important. Though it is certainly managed by the…by the… Angels that are surrounding you. You have seen you do…do your (Kundalini) awakening every way. I mean just move your hands sometimes...I have seen some people go mad like this, and do like this, in every way that is possible. You do not even know exactly how it should be done. Which is the protocol? How to manage it? How to do? But still it works out. (laughter) The reason is, the reason, there are Angels with you and they put it right. “Alright, alright, doesn’t matter. These are children. They have done it doesn’t matter.” They work it out. And they are working it out. All the time for you. You don’t have to bother. You just have to your raise hand, that’s all, because you are on the stage. So they want to show that these children have been [UNCLEAR TEXT]. And they…they help you. “Alright, alright, will you.” They are from the [UNCLEAR TEXT/Buddha] . They are working it out. So just raise your hand a bit. Speak about it at least. That’s all is to be done. But you see this falsehood of say …I say you are called as Bhoganand and this one and all that. Wear this kind of dress and all that. All sort of thing… saying that you are a teacher from tomorrow….all this false…falsehood of a …circus should not be depended, in a way that others are doing. We have to keep away from all falsehood. From the very beginning we must work out that there is no falsehood about it. Only you raise your hands and the Kundalini will rise. Whether you are wearing a white dress or a black dress or yellow dress makes no difference. Where ever you are standing this way or that way doesn’t matter. Whether you are sitting this way or that way doesn’t matter. Because you are still children. Everything is excused to you. You just do it the way you like, it will work out. Come…There is no ritual about it, nothing. What is a ritual for the children? You get them on the stage. You see we had once planned a drama for children, for the dance drama of children, very small children. Say from three years to six years of age. Very sweet children. And they were supposed to do this dance drama and the subject was unity in diversity. All Indians you see. All kind of Indian dresses they were…wearing and…from the North to the South. All kind of dresses are there from saree to all that. They came on the stage. Very sweetly all of them managing among themselves. They didn’t know how to [UNCLEAR TEXT/stay]. And they brought out such beautiful harmony, and such beautiful move that even if you are trained about say…for a year or so …to some very developed people would never have brought that good. The way they wave with their small little hands, you see, pinching at others.. do now… you do this now…they start arranging among themselves. So beautifully they do. And our prime minister at that time Lal Bahadu Shastri was there. And he was so much enamored. He said, “I have never seen such a beautiful drama all my life the way I have seen it.” And the way they were dancing you know and making mistakes but trying to correct it and beautifully done. So (if) somebody made any mistake. Because whatever they do was so beautiful. But then you start thinking, you are very big...and how can we do it you see…it will be nice if you do it this way… it will happen, then there you back. Like children if you take it out. You see you have seen My grand children how bold they are. They are not bothered. Today only they were giving a big lecture there. Anand was telling that these people who are getting any…any cool breeze come along on the feet of Mataji. He told My husband also. He said, “You have to come on Her feet otherwise you cannot be alright.” He said, “You come on Her feet…then I’ll sit on you.” So they are like that. And they do not mean any harm or they do not… they do not know how to hurt people. They never hurt. They never hurt people but you see the thing is that they are so simple and so innocent that you can learn lots of things from them very easily the way they do things in their simplicity and innocence. Like a child you see he was sitting next to someone who was probably a guest of honor. And he was eating. So he looked at him all the time. And he said, “No mother he doesn’t eat like a horse. You told me he eats like a horse.” The mother didn’t know what to say, you see. Well she said, “No, no, it’s ok.” The other fellow realized that he must be eating really like a horse. I mean just for one minute he died of shame. (Laughter) See that’s how they are. They do not mean to hurt anyone. And kids should never hurt, should not, because it is the correct way. You see whatever is pleasing can be poisonous also. Can be very powerful. It need not be pleasing to you because whatever mood you are it depends. For a…say, a drunkard…if you give him a nice drink, you see, he will be very happy. But to a Sahaja yogi if you give him a drink he would not like it. So if you tell somebody that this is not correct so he feels hurt you see…some do. They do not know how to handle Me the way they have said it, you know…“And oh, this is wrong and oh, that is wrong. Why should they force things on me?” This is how they…they try to show that they didn’t like it. Their resentment is there. Sometimes they can be very rile with you. Then like your Mother your must put it with a little chocolate. I give it to them because they have to have this medicine. They have to have a reality check as you call it. They have to get rid of everything because whatever is wrong is wrong. Now you might say that whole society is like that. The whole society is there. If they are wrong they are wrong. What to do? They are to be told. And this knowledge also how to communicate and convey can come to you if you are actual. Just tell them. You see, I don’t know this country, but in our country, you see, about say twenty years back or thirty years back we had our own people who used to tell just on the face and nobody minded… you see. Instead of when you come to see Me you say, “How are you? You are very good… this that, that.” And then they go away. I tell you, “Oh this guy is another tramp. This is like this, this is like this, this is like this.” When you are alone you are great. Then? Instead of that it’s better that I am telling you about it. But people have to do that few times because people do not think, normally. Whatever it is you have to break through these things to them in such a way that they realize this was wrong. Not for them. For their body, or for their mind or for their brain. But not for them. Because whatever they are, they are spirits. And spirits…means something that is eternal. That cannot be destroyed. That cannot be spoiled. But the clouds that are covering the sun are to be removed for them to see their own beauty. Those who do not do this may be appreciated much more. Now say, so many gurus who said that, “Go ahead with your culture.” You see. This is your culture! I mean, imagine that to say this is your culture itself is a very bad thing. And they say you go ahead with it. But only thing is, you leave your purse with me and I will look after you. Where are they going to look after you. When they will be standing in a deep down cave of some horrible hellish place? Then you are also… you will find your will be at a higher place at least than that guy. Where are they going to help you? But to pull you down more?...But it is [UNCLEAR TEXT] that we have to build up ourselves fully in Sahaja yoga. Absolutely into it Yogi : [UNCLEAR TEXT]…I was [UNCLEAR TEXT]….trees and things like that and…because I have some experience of sort of ……I don’t know [UNCLEAR TEXT]………….whether that was right or wrong………I have been talking to trees and flowers…flowers…..and was talking back and I thought that’s ….[UNCLEAR TEXT] Shri Mataji : [UNCLEAR TEXT/Gregore], the most important and most beautiful thing on this earth is human being. Thousands of times more beautiful. Human being is the most beautiful thing. You see, trees look beautiful, they appear beautiful but they have no awareness of it’s own. But they cannot receive this awareness of realization. So why waste energy with them? Let’s save into that. I know you can get bored with human beings sometimes. You can be. You see sometimes can be very disgusting the way things are. Now you can be very annoying. They do get annoying. I agree. But you must know that if you have little patience with them and if you try…the beauty that is within them is the real joy giving. Yes you are [UNCLEAR TEXT]. When somebody is getting realization and you are feeling the vibrations coming in. I like to see the faces of everyone you see so enlightened. As if some light has come into you and so indulging. Oh, the creation and the whole thing is of course God’s own pride. I know it a beautiful thing but nothing like diamonds. You see after all it’s a diamond. So badly cut, horribly cut. Whatever it is, a diamond will remain a diamond. You must [UNCLEAR TEXT] into a proper lusture. Make it fit into a proper set. And then you will become. And there are thousands and thousands and thousands of [UNCLEAR TEXT]. Every individual knows…So just make a list of the diamonds you want to know. The mind should be, the attention should be more on this. How many human beings we are going to take to this. Now also self examination should be there for all those who want to communicate Sahaja yoga. To find out what’s lacking in us. Why don’t we impress others? Why do the people…do not come to us? After all these gurus haven’t got even their Kundalini awakened. And they are the people who have thousands of disciples. How do they do it. There are so many in this country, in this country itself, who are really very genuine real people. They are absolutely suited for Sahaja yoga. They have read and they have followed and they have gone into it. Have been seeking, no doubt about it. And they have followed into wrong path also. But still they are doubting. If you seek anyone of them and there is a doubt in them. And if you talk to them confidently he will definitely find it. This is the answer to the question. Then you can impress them. But if you yourself, you are sort of not sure…you need not be aggressive about it. But just be calm on your own. How? You are bound to be. Of course it is a living force and it takes time. So I would say, “It’s nice to talk to you.” sometimes. See I do sometimes…I talk to even some Gods. I feel like I am talking to some Gods. (laughter) Yogi : [UNCLEAR TEXT] This place has some great vibrations. Shri Mataji: I know. I want to make you sleep very well tonight. (laughter) I am just singing a lullaby.

First western seminar: "How to handle scientists. Our powers". Easthampstead Park, London (UK), 14 October 1979. The thing that you are doing…you do not know. It will be something like the lights which are burning in the dense forest to guide thousands of lights. They are not aware of it. It’s a tremendous task and when you have such a big load on your mind how can you sleep? You are carrying their loads also. We’ll be sleeping very well but first we must know we have a very big load. Just think of the people who are still nowhere near Sahaja yoga. And still are committing mistakes after mistakes. When are they going to come around? Only through your channels I can clear them because as far as I am concerned I am absolutely useless for anyone of them. Only through your channels I can work it out. It’s like a tin opener you know. We don’t have a tin opener you may be a Hercules you cannot open a tin. It’s something like that. I’ll expect you all are like tin openers for Me. (Laughter in background) Very important, that I have to have you, very handy to work it out. It's only you can do it. I cannot do it. Moreover My mood is such a horrid stuff that it recedes back. It’s only you (who) stick Me to those people. It recedes back you know. And these deities are another thing. They are such proud ones that they just can’t bear it and they are over-sensitive to all the filth and ugliness. So you are the people who can bear it and can witness and understand because they are your brethren. Supposing you were born realized you would have been a little less useful to Me. Because born realized have this cynicism in them. They (are), “Oh, what does it matter. Let them bear it. Who cares for them. They are different type. I am a crazy man. They are different. It happens with them sometimes. That’s why Joseph sometimes talks to the king. (laughter) You know why? Because you have been so busy. From the very beginning. Yogi: Well it just started happening recently ... uhh. (laughter in the background) Shri Mataji: Because, recently your are more confident and you find it so boring that you think whether go and talk to the king. Yogi: I also told Deep as well. I do tell Deep about …. Shri Mataji: Yeah, but I would say that you see it is a common experience of a person naturally because you see if you are born like that and all your life. I mean I can quite understand. You see other people live crazy and mad and you are called as crazy. Naturally you see you develop a kind of a cynicism about it. But there should be a longing and absolute feeling, of great concern for all those are not there now. I don’t know if you can think that way. I can feel their bhoots sitting …and I can feel their hankering in their seeking and all their sincerity about it. They might have done wrong. I know they have gone to horrible gurus and all kinds of things which are absolutely wrong and self destroying. I agree that. But still if it is your own child. You feel a concern till the end to save him. And the worst they are the more you feel about it. That concern is with [UNCLEAR TEXT] within you because you have got this joy. And it is you only who can give this joy. They have denied so far all the realized souls and that’s why the higher types, only very higher types could have that compassion for them. They thought all right let’s fight them out, doesn’t matter. And some of the realized souls which…whom I know, who are of very a very high quality, they sit down with a big rod in their hands. Anybody comes near they stick them back. That’s all… That’s (the) only thing they can give. They just can’t bear them. They say, “We don’t want to do anything with them.” But you are different type. That’s why a special race arises. That you are a special race, created, which is realized and have that concern, that feeling, that oneness. You feel that oneness. It’s like one saree you see. If few threads are caught up, all the threads are caught. You just can’t leave the rest of it. It’s one part. Whole thing has to be brought in. How many seekers there are in this country? Have you any statistics. All of them are to be brought around. Can you? Can be done. If you have any problems you ask me. If you want to know anything you have to tell me. Everything, everything I will tell you. But don’t waste your energies on something that won’t be needed for your life. Anything you that you ask I would love to answer your questions and tell you because tomorrow you will be facing these problems. You will not know how to deal with them, how to answer them. Let’s ask some questions. You can take few minutes. Anything about Sahaja yoga, anything about kundalaini, anything about… Yogi: We have been .. uhh…trying some people ...in private ceremonies…our private …you know. They all [UNCLEAR TEXT/allow] scientific [UNCLEAR TEXT]… scientific pattern, scientific proof. Specifically if You can tell us something like that… which is sort of…I really know the benefit… Shri Mataji: I’ll tell you some of the scientific facts, you see. Uhh..now see, it depends on what you want to prove to them. Supposing you want to prove to them…whether there is God or not. This is one fundamental question of the scientist. Of course now they are reaching somewhere there. They are themselves reaching out. You see those who are beating here and they are reaching to that point. Because the other day I saw one gentleman describing all these antibodies and everything and he has [UNCLEAR TEXT/ ahead] put up one God also there. He said, “Without these we cannot explain rest of the stuff.” That’s how he was going on. But depends on what question they are asking about what…to give them scientific thing. Now for example if you have to say there is God or not. There are on two three point you can easily convince them that there is God. First of all that this earth has seceded from the sun say about two billion years… at the most and since then the time that has been taken to form a human being has been very short even to produce a cell according to law of chance. Now Regis knows what is law of chance. Law of chance is like this that if you have say fifty white and fifty red pebbles in a jar and if you disorganize them and after complete disorganization you try to again organize them that they become fifty again on top white and the fifty red below, it takes a particular number of shaking. Minimum of so much shaking has to be done. Suppose you call it x, x you can call it x…or you can call it n number of six, seven whatever it is… or alright let us call it, x. That x number of times you have to shake. So even to get an amoeba which is a living animal, which is an organized animal is a unicellular animal, even to get that if you calculate, you take… you’ll take much more time than two billion years. Even to do that. But to create this human beings in such a short time…which is an impossibility according to the law of chance. How it has been worked out is the question. When you can’t answer that question that means there is some juggler who does the job. Now there is a juggler who knows how to do it in a short time. This is one of the very very strong things which shows that the working of the nature has been so fast that it cannot explain scientifically how a human being so complicated has been created. It’s one important point you can, one very good point, you see, as far as the creation is concerned. There are so many other things like the way earth is moving, moon is moving and everything is moving and controlled and it is kept in such a way that human beings who are living on this speedily moving earth do not feel any speed or do not feel any sound. They are moving in this atmosphere and how the atmosphere is also moving, the way it is done, needs a tremendous organization. It cannot be done by any human effort or by any chance. A chance cannot do all these things together. Then also we can say that the whole, the Mother Earth and all those things have such a balancing capacity. I mean we do not want to see the miracles of life. They cannot explain, scientist, how of everything. See supposing you watch a small little leaf under a microscope what a beautiful pattern and how it is managed so the circulation of water is properly done and is going from one end to another. Then the exposure to sun is in such a way that the suction of water goes on. It is such a fast one that in one minute the water can reach sixty feet. This cannot be done by any suction power as it can be done by this. Now they might say yes the reason is there is a hormone which works this way, that way. Alright, but who has put the hormone there? Who controls the heights of different trees? For example a rose cannot grow like a palm tree. Why not? A seed of mango will give you a coconut by chance? It is never done. Why? How? Why there is gravity in the earth? There is no question science has answered so far, I tell you that. What they have done, now there a chair, alright, take the chair and take out the part of it and see what it is. This is there, this is there, this is there, this is there,…that’s all. Supposing you come to this house you see. This house is here… this is here...this [UNCLEAR TEXT] are there. This is built like this. This is built and made of this mortar. That happened. But how this house was built? When was it built? Who built it? What is the purpose? These things are not answered. Science itself is very naïve. Actually it was unnecessary according to Me to go into science at all there was no need at all to me. You tell Me one thing that was important. Somebody told Me the other day we have got aeroplanes. We had aeroplanes in India at the time [INAUDIBLE]….how do you have condor as you have? See there is a God, there is an Indian God Vishnu, just imagine Vishnu who visited our country on a condor. That’s what our Indians tell us. Nobody stated this. That is Garuda. We both were amazed at this. Now how they can come to know. We also know in Africa they came to know about the Sun. Much before all your sciences came. How did they know? From where did they get this knowledge? You can know each and everything about all these things by going to your supra conscious area. I told about Big Bang. I never knew about Big Bang. About 1970 I told them about Big Bang. Openly I didn’t know there was a Bigbang theory or whatever is star. I told the whole universe was moving in a spiral and the other day they said, “I have discovered it.” It’s in My book also, I have written down if you see that. Everything that you want to know you can know through supraconcious area, everything you can. But what happens when you are not absolutely free and absolutely developed then if you go to supra conscious area, what happens that one of these devils can sit on you and can give you ideas. And that’s how when the people in Colombia used to take something like LSD they got these ideas and they could go into supra conscious and see Vishnu visiting them. This is all supra conscious knowledge. You can get all that. About the hell now, what is a hell? What is in the subconscious area? And what are the devils? You can know by going to that thing. It is not difficult. The other day we, I had an engineer from India and the other fellow was saying that he has a….he gets into double bodies and his body goes out and he says that I can sees the bhoots and everything. I’ve seen bhudhaiet spirits coming out, then I have seen this, and I have seen that…he was explaining everything to me. I said, “Depends.” What’s all I told you about bhoots he was telling ten times more about that. You can see. So that knowledge, you don’t have to go to science for that. What moreover ….Science cannot tell you anything about bhoots. It cannot tell you about supra conscious bhoots. Otherwise it could have protected you. It has not. If it has protected I would have understood. But by science you are not protected. You are not at all protected. You have created atomic bombs. Very nice. I mean nothing else could be created by human beings but atomic bomb. For a person like that how do I feel, about the intelligence and the wisdom of human beings to create atomic bomb. But what has saved you is the fear of science. This is God’s play. The atomic bomb that you have produced has put you down. Now if you start any tricks there are only certain switches, you see. So the fear of science has brought this. But you need not tell a scientist that science has done like this because he can not [UNCLEAR TEXT]. You say science [UNCLEAR TEXT/in your …] no doubt, we accept. But with science what good it has happened? How to pamper a scientist I tell you. I tell you something. You can say that by science we realize that there are many things we cannot explain. One thing in the body you can say that anything foreign that goes in the body is thrown away. But when there is fetus formation it is neither thrown away nor it is destroyed, on the contrary it is looked after nurtured and thrown away at a time it is absolutely ready to come out and face the world. Now who does this job? Who controls your [UNCLEAR TEXT] times. Then another thing which is a very, very, very scientific thing to impress on them, I would say. There are two chemical known as acytacholine and adrenaline which doctor use and all the doctors know. They, doctors say that the mode of action of these two chemicals in human body we do not know. Because they may augment, means constrict or they may relax. How can it be? Supposing it is a chemical it has to act as it is. Either it will augment or it would relax. But some places they augment and some places they relax. So what is the explanation for this? They say the mode of action of these chemicals in the human bodies cannot be explained. But we can explain that there are deities who are doing this job. So you have come so far that these are these hurdles. There are many like this. I mean you can give so many arguments where they cannot explain how these things happen, how it works out. You take a little eye of a human being and you tell them to construct one like this. They cannot. So you tell them these are the problems of the science. They cannot explain how it works out. How it cooperates with other things? How the nature’s cycle works out? How the whole thing is so beautifully arranged? Like the leaves have to fall during winter time because the Mother Earth is to be nourished by the Nitrogen. So the leaves have to fall down to nourish the Mother Earth. Then again She nourishes them back. So the, the Sun has to move on an axis in such a manner that there is a winter and there is a summer. By changing a variations of these thing only life can be produced and maintained. If it was a solid God sitting like a rock and a cold, complete, no movement of any kind, then no life nor day, or nothing would have come. But the scientist, they think that God is like that. That’s why they are confused. If they understand that He acts into every human being and into every particle… You can ask them, say, a sulfur dioxide molecule if you take and if you see it through microscope you can see it is pulsating. And some of the pulsations are isometric and some are symmetric. Just imagine, in a molecule…And then these mesotoms and all those, they act arbitrarily? How do you explain all these things? The thousand and one things one can tell about scientists which they cannot explain. Sahaja yoga can explain it by one short that there are deities within you. Now how do we prove it scientifically? There was a doctor who was suffering from cancer, who came to me. And he was an ardent Muslim. And I told him to take the name of Nanaka. He said I would not. I can only take the name of Muhammad. I said, Muhammad himself is angry with you because you are such a fanatic. Because Muhammad was born as Nanaka. He said, “No, I cannot take His name.” “Alright”, I said, “Go ahead.” I said alright take the name of Dattatreya. He would not take. He would not take the name of Mosses. He said, “I only know Muhammad.” But then he was very much worse. Then he came to Me. I said now take the name of Dattatreya. You won’t believe he sat down. He said, “Mother, teach me how to do puja of Dattatreya.” And he got much better. I must say. There was another gentleman who was a staunch Hindu. And if they are staunch they are the worst they can become. (laughter) And I told him that he has to take the name of Muhammad. And he would not. He said, “You are finishing my religion. What are you doing? You are blasphemous.” All kind of things he said. I said, “Alright you can say whatever you like.” After one year he, again he appeared, in Delhi. And then I told him, ”Now will you take the name of Mohammad Sahib and do some Namaz?” And he read it. And he is alright. See if you understand the true nature of all the deities you can cure people. You can awaken. You have seen that only by taking the name of Mataji the other day how many people got cured. You have seen yourself. Now if people are getting cured, say they are getting alright by saying some name, what’s the harm? You don’t have to pay anything to God. Or do they prefer to die in martyrdom? But they will not take the name of God. See this is stupidity. And if they are real scientist they must keep an open mind. Otherwise they are not a scientist at all. You see Avogadro’s hypothesis they had which was changed. He proved his laws. They have a hypothesis always. Which is to be proved by law. It was proved. But then they discarded it. Newton’s laws were discarded today. They have to keep an open mind otherwise they are not scientist. If they are open minded they can see for themselves. Now the only difference between science and Sahaja yoga is this. That Sahaja yoga deals with the living vital force while science deals with the dead. But scientifically you can show them the pulsation of Kundalini at the base. With a stethoscope they can feel at different levels the pulsation with their stethoscope when the Kundalini is rising. They can see the dilatation of the pupil. This is also a controversial problem for them. They don’t know whether it is sympathetic or para-sympathetic. But it is parasympathetic. Because the children if you see their eyes are dilated that’s why. It is parasympathetic, when their this thing is open. Then their eyes are dilated. When it closes down then only their eyes are constricted. Otherwise you can see children all the time looking like that, you see, with big big eyes and their dilated pupils. So this is a controversial point with them. They cannot decide still if it is parasympathetic or sympathetic. But the dilatation of the pupil is so strong, it's something. We have a [UNCLEAR/guru] Punjabi doctor, lady doctor. She came to Me and I was trying on her and it would not work out. Then I told her may be on your way you might get it… realization. And while she was driving you know, for a while she could not see anything. She took her car on one side and she went there and she told Me, “Is it that the pupils are very much dilated because as soon as I came in the hospital the doctor said what has happened? Your pupils are very much dilated. So she went and saw and she telephoned to Me. I said, “Yes.” And one boy, he has closed his eyes and when he opened his eyes he saw this blackening and he got fright. He said, “I have become blind Mother”. The second moment he was alright. Now by raising your hand if you can dilate the pupil of somebody there must be something about it. What more scientific thing you want? I mean it is easy to make people dance take their clothes and become naked, or say some mantras and things like that. But this is the happening within yourself you can say. You can also show a person has, say, liver trouble. You can immediately see that at the liver point only Kundalini in going and pulsating and working out. If you see that, immediately you can say, this is, see he is suffering from liver. Here is the Kundalaini. And you give a little support from your hand there. You will find that Kundlalini finds its way up. Because She goes to the places where it is a problem. You have so many things you can see with your own eyes and that is what science is. You can see the face of a person changing when this is working out. You..you …you make two photographs, one before and after, especially Marylin. You see before realization and after realization every one of them. You should have a photograph of your [UNCLEAR TEXT] and you see the difference in the person. The face in just a short time…His face is…just see his…after the puja you know. I mean the face changes so much that I do not recognize them. I said, ”Have you come for the first time?” You see so much change if you see her. Do people remark that? Yogini: Mmm..[ UNCLEAR TEXT] Shri Mataji: Hmm? Every one? Very much? The, the completion becomes radiant. And the face looks so relaxed you see. And the serenity comes on you. It is something surprising sometimes happens. See, the other day I had gone with one of these the Sir…the Sharada Devi…to a program, to a reception. And there a lady met Me and afterwards…and I told her she is a very good singer and this and that and...So she met Me and said, “Where is Your sister? Where is she gone?” I said, “Who’s that?” “The one who used to sing very well”. I said “Which one?” And she said she thought I had come with her. I said, “She is not My sister. She is My disciple.” Oh but you know, thought there was common between you. Of course she wasn’t [UNCLEAR TEXT]. Shri Mataji : If only I was [UNCLEAR TEXT/ suggested]. Hmm? [INAUDIBLE Yogi and Shri Mataji speak.] Shri Mataji : Then what I did I started singing Myself to save Myself from the play you see. But also there many must have got realization there. So when Chirananda told Me about this Muktanand I was really frightened. So you better beat him with shoes. Lady: It is meal time. Shri Mataji: You are coming to normal now. Lady: I feel much better. Shri Mataji: Hmm? Much better now? Lady: Yeah. Shri Mataji: You are much better. Shri Mataji: That will be good food to you? Yogi : Hmm it is…very good. Shri Mataji: They had a very small and a short ceremony. Very interesting. Did you listen to the tape I made about the…Did you follow the Granti business? Yogi: Granthi business? Yeah.. Shri Mataji: Ghranti. That you were asking which are these in between things. And …I have told them nine chakras. Apart from the two the Chandra and Soorya. That also I have given, the name of them. Yogi: These are very powerful because nearly to go and say the bija mantra. Shri Mataji: Umm? Yogi: I said nearly to go and say the bija mantras with lot of people. It will be.. Shri Mataji : It must be…But you see it was done when Anand was shouting from one side. Aaradhana was coming from another side. And I thought it would never be done. Then they saw…when he came I was, we were trying to search it in another paper. It has to be in the hubbub of life because if you have to seek every time the loneliness we cannot and it so happens that the loneliness can be revived, it can be awakened there. But we have to face that hubhub all the time. So when you can retain it in that hubhub then you should know that we are definitely something. Otherwise like a ship which is standing in the,… say, in the…in the dry docks and the people are repairing it. So it…it may look very nice and perfectly alright but once it faces the sea then only you will know whether it is correct or not. In the same way everyone of us have to go back into the same hubhub and we have to face the same life and the same thing to find out how far we are in Sahajayoga. Are we really there or not? Have we really achieved something or not? Because here nature helps you. You are so much secluded and you reach a certain accent. But if the property is completely built in you then where ever you are you can see that, very clearly. You can feel that inside outside all the time, wherever you may be. But this is a very good idea to come here to build up yourself and then go and face them. Again come here and build up yourself and go and face the world. After some time you will become like temples. Those who will come in your company will feel it. They will seek your company for comfort. That’s going to happen. (Shri Mataji speaks away from mike) [INAUDIBLE/that’s the same …with cinnamon….both are……that’s all] Shri Mataji: Just tell Me what have you talked and what has happened and what they have been, what have they really…What have they got it…out of this ceremony? Gaurav? Yogi : You take very hard to follow the way recording and sound of the bija mantra. I think more [UNCLEAR TEXT/balanced as a ….. ] the language. Depends on the language. They couldn’t may be understand that. Shri Mataji: They could not understand that? Yogi: Ahh…I think there was, may, be one of them, they did not understand that. I think… Shri Mataji: But that is not to be understood so much. Yogi: Yeah.. Shri Mataji: Has to be felt. Another yogi: I think it was the tape for vibrations, not for understanding. Because I couldn’t understand either. (Laughter) That’s so funny because… Shri Mataji: Yeah. That’s what…Yeah,but.. but still, but still, I must say, it is to be mastered, that’s true. Yogi: That’s what I thought. I couldn’t understand. Because it has to be…. Shri Mataji: Hmm. But it will take some time for you to master those sounds. Now what you have to do is to have a paper and pencil, and your diary. And in that you should right down all the sounds which are on different chakras. (Shri Mataji say to someone in background) I think enough. So once you write down all the sounds at least you can use them whenever there is a problem on a chakra. Now in case you meet somebody, you see, who is telling you that this is the mantra I have taken and this is the mantra I have taken, then, then you can always explain that, you see, these are the bija mantras actually. These are the real mantras. Then there could be mantras like other deity names are there. And there could be mantras according to the three Trigunas as you call them, the three channels. There are different mantras for that. But this kind of a mantra has no meaning. Because when the Kundalini moves Her movements give these sounds. So for anybody to have one mantra and sit down on that has no meaning. And why don’t you ask your guru why this particular mantra has been given to you? There must be some reason. By telling this one thing will be clear to him that you understand what is given to you. It’s not just given to somebody, Bala come along...now say this manta. It’s not that. But they will understand that there is something behind…it is not just blindly said that alright this is a, Alex has said that this is a toothpaste. Come along, use this toothpaste and they will be alright. It’s not like that. You not only understand that what is the mantra, how it works, where it is created and what are the diseases, and what are the problems, and where to use them. All this knowledge if you give them you see, they will also understand that so much you know about it. Otherwise most of this gurus, I talked to one teacher of one of these things and I was amazed I mean that he did not know anything about, anything whatsoever. I said what do you do? He said, “Nothing, I just close my eyes and I get some names in my head and I tell the fellow that this is the name that you have to take.” I said, “Now how do you get it? From where do you get it? Why do you get it?” Now you all know what it is. You know it is the spirit which comes like that. And ones spirit telling another this thing. All, this is all is very nicely managed. You see, it’s all, a, a secret work going on. And the man who is working it out doesn’t know how it works out. So when you talk to people you can explain in such a way that other person can understand that this man knows actually what is true. So little bit you have to master it and understand it, what are the mantras and this that. This is for people who have to deal with other people and those who want to go into details of every chakras. But for raising Kundalini you have to just raise your hand. [INAUDIBLE/…. ] you have to bother. But the basics are unless and until you talk great, I mean something sensible, people are not going to believe in your hand moving. They will say, “What are you doing like this? And why are you moving your hands like that? And why do you want to do like that?” They are going to ask questions. They are going to. It’s a human nature not to accept things you see. Especially reality they do not want to accept. If it is some rumble tumble somehow it sticks to them...human beings…falsehood…much faster than reality. That’s why all real gurus, all real incarnations have really suffered a lot. They never had any support from general public or anyone. But all false people have such publicity. There was there, horrible once who visited Delhi. And there was no movement in the chakra. I mean God knows how many of them were just trying to see his horrible face. Like none would, all of them were running. And what did they get? God only knows what did they get? Some of the rich people will get some diamond this that. But they lost only if their diamond. But that is how human nature is. And when you have to talk to them, so clearly it shocks them you know. It really shocks them to...if you tell something against a guru or someone, they’ll get a shock. Not because they are convinced about the guru. Not because of that. But because they are possessed by the gurus. So if you tell them that this is wrong , you should not have done it. I mean you have tell them. There is no compromise with the truth. I mean whatever is wrong is wrong. Whatever is poison, is poison. We have to say that. But if you tell somebody they get a shock and they don’t like it and they just don’t want to hear about it. It shocks them. Then secondly when they come to their senses another shock that comes to them they say, “Don’t believe! How can be we fooled so?” This also goes against Sahaja yoga because if you start pitying yourself and sort of cursing yourself on it then that’s also not good for Sahaja yoga. So that’s the second point of cursing. So for human psychology it is necessary that you should be able to talk about it. A very good talk and I can assure you can do lots more. Because now you are awakened and your chakras are awakened. This is an awakening and this has the power of awakening. This is the all pervading power which is being awakened within you. And thereby talking to others you awaken their powers which are still not awakened. So when you talk to them also and if you do not have left Vishuddhi of course… Left Vishuddhi is a very dangerous thing, that’s why. Because from left Vishuddhi the ideas start coming out and you just forget mixed up with that and then you do not speak but the devil there suggests stories. But if your left Vishuddhi is very clear and then you talk you will be amazed that every word will be a mantra. This is granted. It is such a fantastic thing, this sahja yoga is that people are not willing to believe in themselves and into their powers. It’s such a tremendous power. If you want to use it you start out, just start out and you will be amazed how it works out. Bala has tried it and asked. He must be very much stunned in the very beginning. How it’s happening? Isn’t it? How it’s rising? It’s very astounding but gradually you realize it. And there are still many experiences you will be having that you will be amazed at it because this is something like the dynamic force of the whole universe. This is so all pervading. Is the Ganesha tattwa (principal) as you call it, the principle itself. It’s all pervading. You think Christ is somebody who died on the cross. No absolutely it is wrong idea. That cross exists in everything, in every particle of this, you can say, this building…whatever is this building. It is in every particle of the whole universe that it is made of. Not even a particle is devoid of it. Only thing it is to be awakened. That is there. And that you can do it because you have that now in your sound. Your own sound is now awakened. But as you know, even if you would say put light to this candle, the candle is ready, if it is perfectly alright then it…it is...it is enlightened by a candle. But still your…your candle should be also alright. It should be able to go to the right position for that candle so that it receives the light. All these things are very important. Though it is certainly managed by the…by the… Angels that are surrounding you. You have seen you do…do your (Kundalini) awakening every way. I mean just move your hands sometimes...I have seen some people go mad like this, and do like this, in every way that is possible. You do not even know exactly how it should be done. Which is the protocol? How to manage it? How to do? But still it works out. (laughter) The reason is, the reason, there are Angels with you and they put it right. “Alright, alright, doesn’t matter. These are children. They have done it doesn’t matter.” They work it out. And they are working it out. All the time for you. You don’t have to bother. You just have to your raise hand, that’s all, because you are on the stage. So they want to show that these children have been [UNCLEAR TEXT]. And they…they help you. “Alright, alright, will you.” They are from the [UNCLEAR TEXT/Buddha] . They are working it out. So just raise your hand a bit. Speak about it at least. That’s all is to be done. But you see this falsehood of say …I say you are called as Bhoganand and this one and all that. Wear this kind of dress and all that. All sort of thing… saying that you are a teacher from tomorrow….all this false…falsehood of a …circus should not be depended, in a way that others are doing. We have to keep away from all falsehood. From the very beginning we must work out that there is no falsehood about it. Only you raise your hands and the Kundalini will rise. Whether you are wearing a white dress or a black dress or yellow dress makes no difference. Where ever you are standing this way or that way doesn’t matter. Whether you are sitting this way or that way doesn’t matter. Because you are still children. Everything is excused to you. You just do it the way you like, it will work out. Come…There is no ritual about it, nothing. What is a ritual for the children? You get them on the stage. You see we had once planned a drama for children, for the dance drama of children, very small children. Say from three years to six years of age. Very sweet children. And they were supposed to do this dance drama and the subject was unity in diversity. All Indians you see. All kind of Indian dresses they were…wearing and…from the North to the South. All kind of dresses are there from saree to all that. They came on the stage. Very sweetly all of them managing among themselves. They didn’t know how to [UNCLEAR TEXT/stay]. And they brought out such beautiful harmony, and such beautiful move that even if you are trained about say…for a year or so …to some very developed people would never have brought that good. The way they wave with their small little hands, you see, pinching at others.. do now… you do this now…they start arranging among themselves. So beautifully they do. And our prime minister at that time Lal Bahadu Shastri was there. And he was so much enamored. He said, “I have never seen such a beautiful drama all my life the way I have seen it.” And the way they were dancing you know and making mistakes but trying to correct it and beautifully done. So (if) somebody made any mistake. Because whatever they do was so beautiful. But then you start thinking, you are very big...and how can we do it you see…it will be nice if you do it this way… it will happen, then there you back. Like children if you take it out. You see you have seen My grand children how bold they are. They are not bothered. Today only they were giving a big lecture there. Anand was telling that these people who are getting any…any cool breeze come along on the feet of Mataji. He told My husband also. He said, “You have to come on Her feet otherwise you cannot be alright.” He said, “You come on Her feet…then I’ll sit on you.” So they are like that. And they do not mean any harm or they do not… they do not know how to hurt people. They never hurt. They never hurt people but you see the thing is that they are so simple and so innocent that you can learn lots of things from them very easily the way they do things in their simplicity and innocence. Like a child you see he was sitting next to someone who was probably a guest of honor. And he was eating. So he looked at him all the time. And he said, “No mother he doesn’t eat like a horse. You told me he eats like a horse.” The mother didn’t know what to say, you see. Well she said, “No, no, it’s ok.” The other fellow realized that he must be eating really like a horse. I mean just for one minute he died of shame. (Laughter) See that’s how they are. They do not mean to hurt anyone. And kids should never hurt, should not, because it is the correct way. You see whatever is pleasing can be poisonous also. Can be very powerful. It need not be pleasing to you because whatever mood you are it depends. For a…say, a drunkard…if you give him a nice drink, you see, he will be very happy. But to a Sahaja yogi if you give him a drink he would not like it. So if you tell somebody that this is not correct so he feels hurt you see…some do. They do not know how to handle Me the way they have said it, you know…“And oh, this is wrong and oh, that is wrong. Why should they force things on me?” This is how they…they try to show that they didn’t like it. Their resentment is there. Sometimes they can be very rile with you. Then like your Mother your must put it with a little chocolate. I give it to them because they have to have this medicine. They have to have a reality check as you call it. They have to get rid of everything because whatever is wrong is wrong. Now you might say that whole society is like that. The whole society is there. If they are wrong they are wrong. What to do? They are to be told. And this knowledge also how to communicate and convey can come to you if you are actual. Just tell them. You see, I don’t know this country, but in our country, you see, about say twenty years back or thirty years back we had our own people who used to tell just on the face and nobody minded… you see. Instead of when you come to see Me you say, “How are you? You are very good… this that, that.” And then they go away. I tell you, “Oh this guy is another tramp. This is like this, this is like this, this is like this.” When you are alone you are great. Then? Instead of that it’s better that I am telling you about it. But people have to do that few times because people do not think, normally. Whatever it is you have to break through these things to them in such a way that they realize this was wrong. Not for them. For their body, or for their mind or for their brain. But not for them. Because whatever they are, they are spirits. And spirits…means something that is eternal. That cannot be destroyed. That cannot be spoiled. But the clouds that are covering the sun are to be removed for them to see their own beauty. Those who do not do this may be appreciated much more. Now say, so many gurus who said that, “Go ahead with your culture.” You see. This is your culture! I mean, imagine that to say this is your culture itself is a very bad thing. And they say you go ahead with it. But only thing is, you leave your purse with me and I will look after you. Where are they going to look after you. When they will be standing in a deep down cave of some horrible hellish place? Then you are also… you will find your will be at a higher place at least than that guy. Where are they going to help you? But to pull you down more?...But it is [UNCLEAR TEXT] that we have to build up ourselves fully in Sahaja yoga. Absolutely into it Yogi : [UNCLEAR TEXT]…I was [UNCLEAR TEXT]….trees and things like that and…because I have some experience of sort of ……I don’t know [UNCLEAR TEXT]………….whether that was right or wrong………I have been talking to trees and flowers…flowers…..and was talking back and I thought that’s ….[UNCLEAR TEXT] Shri Mataji : [UNCLEAR TEXT/Gregore], the most important and most beautiful thing on this earth is human being. Thousands of times more beautiful. Human being is the most beautiful thing. You see, trees look beautiful, they appear beautiful but they have no awareness of it’s own. But they cannot receive this awareness of realization. So why waste energy with them? Let’s save into that. I know you can get bored with human beings sometimes. You can be. You see sometimes can be very disgusting the way things are. Now you can be very annoying. They do get annoying. I agree. But you must know that if you have little patience with them and if you try…the beauty that is within them is the real joy giving. Yes you are [UNCLEAR TEXT]. When somebody is getting realization and you are feeling the vibrations coming in. I like to see the faces of everyone you see so enlightened. As if some light has come into you and so indulging. Oh, the creation and the whole thing is of course God’s own pride. I know it a beautiful thing but nothing like diamonds. You see after all it’s a diamond. So badly cut, horribly cut. Whatever it is, a diamond will remain a diamond. You must [UNCLEAR TEXT] into a proper lusture. Make it fit into a proper set. And then you will become. And there are thousands and thousands and thousands of [UNCLEAR TEXT]. Every individual knows…So just make a list of the diamonds you want to know. The mind should be, the attention should be more on this. How many human beings we are going to take to this. Now also self examination should be there for all those who want to communicate Sahaja yoga. To find out what’s lacking in us. Why don’t we impress others? Why do the people…do not come to us? After all these gurus haven’t got even their Kundalini awakened. And they are the people who have thousands of disciples. How do they do it. There are so many in this country, in this country itself, who are really very genuine real people. They are absolutely suited for Sahaja yoga. They have read and they have followed and they have gone into it. Have been seeking, no doubt about it. And they have followed into wrong path also. But still they are doubting. If you seek anyone of them and there is a doubt in them. And if you talk to them confidently he will definitely find it. This is the answer to the question. Then you can impress them. But if you yourself, you are sort of not sure…you need not be aggressive about it. But just be calm on your own. How? You are bound to be. Of course it is a living force and it takes time. So I would say, “It’s nice to talk to you.” sometimes. See I do sometimes…I talk to even some Gods. I feel like I am talking to some Gods. (laughter) Yogi : [UNCLEAR TEXT] This place has some great vibrations. Shri Mataji: I know. I want to make you sleep very well tonight. (laughter) I am just singing a lullaby.

10/15/1979

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How realisation should be allowed to develop

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How Realisation should be allowed to develop, Public Program. Caxton Hall, London, England. 15 October 1979. Most of you are Sahaj Yogis here. Now those who have got Realisation, those who have felt the vibrations, must know that they are now developing into another being. The germination has started, and you must allow the germination to work out its own way. But normally, when we get Realisation also, we do not realise that it is a tremendous thing that has happened within us. That this triggering, which is an impossibility, has taken place within us, and it has to work out slowly. It has to develop, and evolve us into that, and because we do not feel it, we do not take it that seriously as we should, our Realisation. Moreover, they are surrounded by people who have not felt the vibrations, they do not know this area; they have never seen it. As Guru Nanak has called it, it is alakshya (आलक्ष्य: unobservable). They have not seen it, they don’t know about it, they don’t know there is a power of God that exists, which understands, coordinates, cooperates with you, which is working in the collective being, which makes aware, you aware of that collective being and of others also. This alakshya, or we can call it paroksha (परोक्ष:invisible), which is not seen by any one, which no one knows about, they talk about it. They talk about the Kingdom of God, they talk about God’s Powers, Divine Power. It’s all talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. But once you are triggered into it, you have to grow into it. Unless and until you grow into it, you’ll be dropped, specially for people who have come from fake gurus and from false things that they have been following. They don’t know how terrible these things are. Like you are on a crocodile, and suddenly you discover it’s a crocodile: how fast you would run from that? But even the understanding that it is a crocodile and it is going to eat you off doesn’t come up so easily. So, this one doesn’t realise also, as you do not realise that triggering which is the most difficult thing has happened to you, it is difficult. But it has happened to you, you know why it has happened. You take that one for granted and also you take the devils for granted. At least don’t take the devils for granted. Run away from them as soon as possible. Meditate, meditate, and try to establish yourself, in the realm of Divine love. I say it is Divine love. You cannot understand what Divine love is. You cannot understand any human being who loves you only for love’s sake. Just because that person loves you, he goes on loving because he enjoys that loving. In Sanskrit it is called avyaja (अव्याज: natural; simple), that there is no interest, avyaja, it’s just flowing. Even when it corrects you, it corrects you in love. And the protection of Divine love is the only way you are germinating. That love gives you that warmth needed, that strength needed, that confidence needed. Everything is given to you by that Divine love. So, one has to realise that it is love, and love, and love is the basis of all this Creation. God has created this world, this universe, only because He loved. And He wants to bestow this blessing on you because He loves you. But how far you love yourself is the problem. How far you understand yourself is the problem. You do not evaluate yourself, and that is the reason why, though the Kundalini has risen and you have got Realisation, your vibrations are flowing, the growth is very slow. Because attention has been outside, and even after Realisation it is outside. Sometimes it is sucked in [but] again it goes outside. Then we do not change our old habits at all. We go on sticking to those old habits. Our structure of life, our styles of thinking, continue to be the same: again, we find ourselves lost into the same shambles. Now Sahaj Yog gives you Realisation, alright, but also it gives you a long rope to hang yourself, if you do not pay heed to yourself and to your being, if you don’t love yourself and understand that you are the instrument of God by which for the first time you are going to give Realisation to people, you are going to save people from getting drowned. And this is the first time you are made like that. This capability you never had and no human beings have, which you have got now today. Very few people had this capability, very, very few people. But now you have got that capacity and you do not want to evaluate yourself. How important it is, if you could realise, then you would work it out [and] allow the blossoming to come up. On the contrary I find [that] today, because you are all Sahaj Yogis, I can talk to you like this. Normally it is about Kundalini and all that, but I find that, you do not see the movements of your Kundalini. If you try to understand that She’s the one who loves you the most, because She is your individual Mother. And, if you try to follow Her, you will see that She’s suggesting where is the problem with you, what you have to correct, what you have to do. Because She wants to perfect you. She wants to help you. So, if you start watching it, carefully, with love, with understanding- She’s very playful, extremely sweet, full of beautiful plays like a little child. She will tickle you here and there, call for your attention. She doesn’t trouble you. You have to be just alert about Her, and She really matures you. You have seen people, with time, how they have matured. But you have to pay attention to Her and to yourself, otherwise what is your value, without enlightenment? What is the value of a human being without enlightenment? What is the use of having human beings if they are not enlightened? What is the use of this instrument if it is not put to the mains? The rest is all useless, isn’t it? And it is you who have to raise the people. You have to enlighten the people. As we have some gas lights: a man runs up to the gas lights to lighten them, only he has the power or capacity to do it. So, he runs up the street, lightening all the gas lights. It is he, here, who has to do it. He is appointed for that. Sahaj Yogis must realise what is their value. What have you made out of Sahaj Yoga? How many people have you saved? How many people you have helped? Instead your own problems are so many and you are creating problems for others by talking, by discussing, by arguing. You cannot discuss it out. You must know. You cannot argue it out. It has to work by itself. By arguing, discussing, fussing, judging, confusing yourself, you create a problem for your Kundalini to work it out. Are you not seeking your Spirit? Are you not worried about the salvation of your own Spirit? If so, what are you doing about it? That’s the most important thing. I think everybody realises this, that only achieving Self-realisation is not the end of it, because it’s just the sprouting that has started. You have to go further. You have to have compassion for others who haven’t got it yet. You have to think about them, you have to give it to them; work it out, put all your minds to it. But still I find people are busy with other things. They go back into the same circle. You should be busy. I don’t say that you should not do something for your living. You have to do it. This is one thing very important for us to know, that we have to work it out. We have to allow it to grow within ourselves. But I mean if you say that, “Mother, we have all faith in you, that’s all.” That’s not sufficient. What faith do you have? What do you mean by faith? It is such a vague term. What is faith after all? Have you ever analysed the word ‘faith’? Some people think that, “We have all faith in Mother. If we sing Her praise – finished!” For that, one has to reach a certain stage, like Adi Shankaracharya had reached. Have you got faith in yourself? – is the point. Who is having faith in me? Is the one who has no faith in oneself! You have to have faith in yourself and in all your fellow beings, all these other Sahaj Yogis. I have already told you that Sahaj Yoga is not going to work out individually. Anybody who thinks that, “I am something greater than the others!” is a gone case. Nobody should work Sahaj Yoga for oneself in that way. You have to work collectively for every one of them. Any one of you who thinks that you have something higher than the others have, you are sadly mistaken. It’s like one eye saying that, “I am higher than the other!”, or one nose saying, “I am higher than the eyes!” Everything has its own place in the body of Virata, and everybody is so important, as well as dispensable. You know what happens in Sahaj Yoga – very common in India, not so much here. I mean Indians do this way: they have certain very good points like, I mean wherever I go I find them very much matured and very much developed, because they are not such thinkers as you are. You are great thinkers, visionaries, intellectuals, you see. And I was thinking all the intellectuals will be developing a horn here like this after some time. And when you see them, you’ll know that these intellectuals who are denouncing God and denouncing all His ways, they are not intellectuals I would say, to that extent. But they [Indians] fail in certain things, while you fail in certain things. They always had this kind of thing where somebody came up like one man, who said, “No, I am something great!” Then, he says, “I am this, I am that!” Goes on with this kind of harping, and he shows down other people. And then suddenly, such a person is brought down, and the people are shocked. “Mother, how? What happened?” You cannot! You see if you have to even pull a dead carpet like that, you cannot pull one side of it, you have to carry the whole. Only one person cannot shoot off in the whole game. Now you take my position. Yes, I know I have all the powers, everything is there, of course; I am supposed to be much higher and all that – supposed to be, I should say. But confronting you, I have to come down; I have to fight the way with you, up the hill. Every step, we have to go together hand in hand. You know that. Somebody’s some chakras are catching so I put my Chakra into play. It works out. It works out that way. But you know how much I have to struggle, how much I have to work hard. It’s a task, giving Realisation. My Kundalini doesn’t need anything, you know that, but still She has to carry your heavy Kundalini on Herself and raise it. It’s a very heavy thing. Only a Person of real love can do that, that’s the only criteria. The one who does not have love, cannot do it [because] it is too much a thing to do – the whole body vibrating, every centre vibrating; it’s not easy. But it’s just the love, the compassion between you and me, which soothes me, which covers all the tasks and the labour and the thing that I have to put in. And sometimes it’s such a wasteful thing I feel about some people. It is such a waste with them. But still the love that has brought us together gives that soothing feeling and you feel so cheerful. Every morning you get up with a new fragrance within yourself, feeling so happy about it. So be careful in dealing with people, you have to deal with love, not with criticism or in any way showing them down in any way. When you are not any way higher than anyone then there is no reason it should be done like that. If you are getting any way higher, you are helping the Collective Being. But in that, if you are feeling that you are higher than others you are again coming down because you are pulling down the Collective Being. If you put down anyone, or condemn anyone like that, then you are putting down that person. And, you should not also correct, because I am there to correct. It’s not easy to correct others, you may hurt them. You don’t know even the ways of correcting people. Unless and until you have those powerful vibrations, which are emitting from your being just love, then you can do it. Because of an ego-oriented society we are very good at hurting others. We dominate others. We don’t even know that we are dominating others. There are so many ways I have learned in this country we have, by which we dominate, in a very subtle way. We talk to people, in such a way that we are dominating them. Do we ever think, sit down, how are we going to talk to others, suggesting our love to them? I’ll tell you again and again that Sahaj Yog is nothing but love, love, love. How much you love others is the main point. Despising, criticising, is not good. Yesterday, you were just the same, today you are better off, you are going to be better off still. Of course, some people who are very heavy, who are very troublesome, you should tell them plainly that: “Sorry sir, you are very negative, we can’t bear you.” There are some cunning people also who may come in and try to trouble you. To a point is all right, then you have to tell them off that: “We are sorry.” But even to judge whether a person is negative or what sort of a thing he is doing, you are just thinking about it, you are rationalising – not through rationality, but through vibrations. Because rationality, a person may appear to be a very nice person, may be, or a lady coming in, see, and the lady will be a terrible stuff. So how much you meditate means how much you love. When you think of others, think how much you love them, just try to think how beautiful it is. If it is not love, it is hatred. It’s like a scorching heat you see, which will completely take away all the beauty, the smoothness, of your heart. Only through love, Sahaj Yoga is going to spread. All these years you have seen the powers of hatred. You have seen how people hate, how they talk about each other, how they treat each other. There’s no tenderness about them, there’s no kindness about them, how sharp they are with each other. You have to change all that now. You have to create a world of people who love each other, for nothing: not for money, not for positions, not for beauty, not for sex, only for love’s sake, only because you have been blessed by love. From next time we’ll be advertising and there will be many more coming who are new people to Sahaj Yoga. And I am sure it is going to increase. But I have told you that all of you must find out how many people you can bring in yourself and work out. I must say Jim has done a good job, very good job. I’m very proud of him. He has gone and done such a lot of things, and single-handed he has worked it out, fighting such a horrible monster there, but he’s done it. All of you must support him, and also such people who want to do something. Put your mind to something like that. All the time we are thinking about jobs, this, that, that. This is a very precious time which should not be lost. All our lives we have done jobs, earning money, marrying, having children and dying. This lifetime, let us do something special, for which this whole universe was created. Open the gates of heavens for the rest of the people. You have to be assiduous. There’s no compulsion in Sahaj Yoga you know that very well. There’s no timing for it. There’s no forcing for it, because I say it is love. If you do not want to do it, nobody is going to force you. But, as I said, Sahaj Yoga gives a very long rope to hang yourself, till you go into illusions completely and you wouldn’t even know that you have lost all your vibrations. It is to that extent. If we have entered into something which was unprecedented, we have to take the ways which are unprecedented. You cannot go about with the ways that you have had before. You have to change your methods. Judge every action of yours through love. How much sacrifice can you make for others? What can you sacrifice for others? What service can you do for others? Sahaj Yogis I am saying. There is no sacrifice in it. If you see it, what is the sacrifice? It is love. If you love someone, and you want to take, say, a rose for a person, and you go to the market, with great difficulty you get the rose. When you get it you feel happy. But then you get the thorn in the finger, still you don’t mind. It’s bleeding, doesn’t matter. Then you are just waiting to see the person there. And when you see the person, you forget all that is gone in between and you give that rose just to express yourself, symbolically. And how happy you feel that you have been able to give that rose to that person. This we do every day in our life. But in Sahaj Yoga you do it without even knowing it – it’s happening. You are transmitters. Everywhere you are sitting in meditation you are transmitting vibrations. Do you know that? At that time if you are thinking of your jobs and your other things which you have been thinking [about] before, the transmission is poorer. Think of love, think of the whole country, think of the whole world at that time. You are transmitters of these waves of love, and love will flow from you. I told you once that you are made in the form of Ganesha, and that’s what you have to do. You know there are vibrations from you coming out, you are sending vibrations out, you know that. That means you are like any deity which is thrown out of the Mother’s, I mean Earth’s womb, and a big temple is raised, and thousands of people go to worship that. And they say it is a temple of a Jagrut Devata. ‘Jagrut’ means enlightened, awakened. And that’s just a stone, a stone that comes out and people build a temple on top of that and go there and worship that. While there are so many already sitting here, so many jagrut, realised-souls. These are living, these are moving, these are understanding, they manoeuvre. The stones only emit vibrations to clear the atmosphere, but you can raise the Kundalini. They cannot raise the Kundalini; you can. And what are you doing about it? Such a precious thing you have got. What are you doing about it? Is it because there is no business with it that we are taking it so slowly? Supposing it’s an enterprise then everybody would be up and doing, is it? We have to change our ways and methods of understanding. The reward of God is thousand-fold than any enterprise can bestow upon you. When He blesses you, you wouldn’t even have words to thank Him, to that extent He goes. Are we depending on Him or on our own old ways? We have to change very much; we have to transform ourselves into new style of thinking. It is very, very important. I hope you’ll think about it, what I have talked to you today. Don’t take to life which has not brought any happiness to you. You have your friends who are Sahaj Yogis. Change your friends. Change your methods of life. You’ll enjoy much more. This is for you to understand about yourself and about the importance of Sahaj Yoga. Unless and until it is an enterprise, nobody takes it up seriously. This is the style of Western thinking. It has to be, whether it is hocus-pocus or real enterprise, doesn’t matter, as long as there are money exchanges, everybody is up and doing. But when it comes to Sahaj Yoga they have no time even to meditate. Because we have not yet loved, we have not felt that love within ourselves. I wish you could all feel that depth of love. Then you would go all out to work it out for yourself and for others. I would like to have some questions from you, Sahaj Yogis, if possible. But somebody should try to give him, he can get it in no time, Realisation. Is there any question? Ask me – anything practical. Because we have very few new people today, we can just have a very nice chat. Lady: Would you explain to me about sometimes, when people say if you put your legs out like that it’s just not good and you should have them underneath– what’s wrong? I mean if it’s not a sexual tantalisation or something, what’s wrong with having your legs just stretching out in front of you? Shri Mataji: In front of me? Will you do to the Queen? Lady: No, no, I’m sorry. Shri Mataji: No, no, what I am saying, will you do to the Queen of England? Lady: No, no. If you are alone, now what happens? Shri Mataji: Hum? Lady: I don’t mean if somebody’s there. Shri Mataji: Before my photograph? Will you spit at? Lady: When you sit to meditate. Shri Mataji: No, no, what I’m saying if your Queen’s photograph is there, will you spit at her? Lady: Is that a spit? Shri Mataji: Yes, it is! It is an insult. Putting your feet towards somebody is an insult. Is a common thing! Lady: Is it only a custom in India? Shri Mataji: No, no, it is a custom everywhere in the whole world. You have lost all your traditions, doesn’t mean that there were no such traditions of putting away feet on somebody. Imagine, somebody coming down to see you, somebody whom you have to respect, you put your feet up? I mean, anybody can understand, even a child understands this. You see the sense of our respect has come to us from inside, not from outside. It’s not rationality. It has come to us from our unconscious. We know how we respect. Say somebody would say that, “What’s wrong in talking like this to someone?” You see, supposing somebody says, now you know that, even a child knows, if he is talking to elders, he’ll put down his head. But here, you see everybody is so abnormal. You don’t know how to do everything because everything is rationalised, you see. Tomorrow, you might say, “What’s wrong if I stand on my head?” I mean, “Do it”, but that’s not the way. There are certain normal ways of protocol, of praying. How do you pray in the church? Imagine, in the church you go and sit with both your feet towards the priest. What will he say? “Put down your feet!” These things are innate within us. Human beings know already lots of things. They are not animals. They know lots of things already. You don’t know how many things are built in you. In a very beautiful way in your understanding, as a human being, you know so many things. Nowhere in the world you’ll find anybody putting up their feet before anyone whom you respect. It’s not a sign of respect. There’s no question of India or anything. Only thing in India, people have yet preserved all their sense of respect. In other places, they have so rationalised and so ego-oriented that they have no respect for anyone whatsoever. Lady: You take it only as a sign of respect. Supposing that somebody is sitting alone and they don’t have Your picture or they don’t have anything, is it all right to stretch their legs? Shri Mataji: Then it’s all right. I mean, you see it is. Lady: Somebody said that if you put your legs out it’s creating some bad energy or something. That’s why I wanted to check. Shri Mataji: No, no not that way, not losing energy. I was just thinking about stretching the feet before somebody whom you respect. Say, my Photograph is there or I am there. Now, you respect me. Isn’t it? Then you will not like to sit with the feet. That’s what I’m trying to say. But, you see, losing energy and all that is not there at all. Who told you that? That’s not. You sleep like that. You don’t sleep with the feet on the ground. How can it be? If anybody says that, you should not take it for granted. You see I think all this is not so important also. Even you sleep, how do you sleep? I mean, it is so simple and natural. You know this is what’s happening with rationality. See, very simple things become so funny that you, I don’t know what to say. That’s why I said a horn will be growing from here, all of you intellectuals. You’ll be having a big horn coming out so people will know, “All right, all right, we know these people.” Nobody will face them. You see, this so simple. Because you are so complicated, all simple things look so horrid. Is a question of respect and is a question of – if you are sleeping, of course you stretch your feet like that, straight. It’s all right. While you sit down, you can sit like that, there’s no harm. You need not be cross-legged all the time. It’s not necessary. If you are doing some sort of a exercise or something, you can be like that. But everything, now say, for example, you have got hands. Now this is for many purposes, all right? It is for taking vibrations, it is for eating, it is for scratching. Now, if you are eating at that time if you want to scratch, now what to do? It’s a question like that. See whatever you have to do, you do at that right time, with the way you want to do. If you need your feet for something – running, you should run. When you have to sit down, you should sit down. When you have to sleep you must sleep. I mean this is normal. Sahaj Yogis does not mean that you should cut your noses. No, it doesn’t mean that. It means you have to be more beautiful. It doesn’t matter, you see even if you bend ten times, but it does matter if you pull back yourself, even once. Doesn’t matter, to be humble, to be more humble and more humble, is so sweet and good. You see, makes you more cultured, more harmonious and beautiful. Man: I have a problem. Shri Mataji: What’s it? Man: I’ve been, in my humble way, devoted myself, to the spiritual realisation of myself, I adopted meditation, I completely lost number of years. I realised that state in subtle awareness and I feel myself highly elevated from this material world, the feeling of bliss, absolute peace, happiness and joy. And, I see the Spirit which I construct upon in a very glorious, boarded way, in a boarded, shut boarded way. That state continues for some time, but doesn’t stay for a long time, for a long number of days. After a short time again I find I come down. And this goes like a curve, and when I find that from the height I have come down, I feel a little disturbed, why it is happening. And, I have found that the more I detach myself from my family, from my work, from my friends, from other things, the lighter I feel and the greater number of peace I get from meditation. Now, the trouble is this. About one year ago, when I would see a beautiful girl, a beautiful lady, I would remain restless perhaps for two days, three days or something like that. When I learnt about Patanjali’s yoga – Shri Mataji: What yoga is this? Man: Beg Your pardon? Shri Mataji: What yoga are you doing? Man: Now, I’m just saying that now, I’m perfectly all right. Shri Mataji: What was that you did? What yoga did you do? Man: Well, as a matter of fact, I’m not following any yoga as such but I have studied Patanjali. Shri Mataji: Patanjali, all right. Man: And, then when I met … Now the concern is this: that attraction which I used to have some time back is eliminated. But still, I do find a stern will within myself, to maintain that state of mind which gives me lot of bliss, for that moment it disappears, and then again I revert to that. That is my personal problem. I think I’ve tried to be very open. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, that’s correct. All right. Now, the first thing is what chakras are catching? Man: Left Swadishthana. Shri Mataji: That’s it. Now see, to do Patanjali was a mistake in the very beginning. As a Mother, I must tell you frankly, all right? Because Patanjali cannot be done unless and until you have some realised guru behind it. If you start doing it, it is unauthorised, you see. It is an unauthorised thing to do. Like, supposing I am not a policeman and I start behaving like a policeman, I’ll be arrested. In the same way, you did it in an unauthorised way. By doing in an unauthorised way you have started in the wrong direction altogether. The direction was wrong. And the bliss and all that you get it, is not the bliss that we are talking about. That’s a bliss one gets when you shirk responsibility, you can get it. You see, if you can get out of your family and children and all that, one can feel blissful if he thinks that it is having a sort of a pressure on you or a kind of attachment or something. But in Sahaj Yoga what happens is that you become a personality when you are in the drama but you are just seeing it. You become a sakshi (witness). That should happen. That’s the reality. That’s how it should happen. Once it happens to you, then you will just start seeing the whole thing as a drama. Man: Yes. Shri Mataji: You understand? Shri Mataji: What is he saying? Sahaja Yogi: He feels a slight cool breeze. Shri Mataji: He is getting. Yes, he is a realised-soul. Yes, he got Realisation. He got it. What about this gentleman here, in front of you Marcus? Question: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: So, it should happen in the most natural way, in a spontaneous way. And, God has given you that ankura which is called as Kundalini, which of course you know. Kabira and all these people have talked about. But it is a Sahaj method, it just happens to you, with a realised-soul only. You cannot do it yourself. If you try to do it, you will be making a mistake. And that’s what has happened in you. So now we have to completely sort of neutralise the effects of that. And then we’ll raise your Kundalini by which you’ll get your Realisation, by which, gradually you will get your vibrations, and you’ll start understanding. All right? So, you just now forget about what you have done, and it’s going to work out. Then it’s a permanent thing. What about his vibration Marcus? Marcus: Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Left or right? You’ve got your Realisation is it? I’m asking him. Other man: Yes. Shri Mataji: Is it all right? There’s a catch on the left is it? Are you feeling something? You get what? Other man: I have a slight pain on my leg. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Anybody who has any problems about chakras, anyone of the Sahaj Yogis, anybody who has any problem about their own chakras, please ask me. Because next time we’ll be having lots of people here, then we won’t be able to talk, so better ask me about it. Dinesh what is your problem? Dinesh: My problem? Hmm. Shri Mataji: Agnya. I can see that clearly, from here. You have to forgive people. Do you understand that? Forgive, and forgive. What about her vibrations? Now just see. (break in recording) Shri Mataji: You have not been? Seeker: I have not been here very much. Shri Mataji: All right. But have you been practicing? Seeker: I’ve practiced and I stopped practicing for a while. Shri Mataji: Why? Seeker: Hmm. Shri Mataji: Now, what have you been practicing? Did you take vibrations and did you cleanse yourself? Seeker: No (Inaudible) I didn’t take footsoaks. Shri Mataji: Foot bath. Seeker: I didn’t know when to use … Shri Mataji: Any time. Evening is better. So, what is it then? Seeker: Sorry? Shri Mataji: What? You are not feeling anything in your hand? Seeker: No. (Inaudible.) Shri Mataji: In which fingers are you feeling the tingling? Seeker: In most of them. Shri Mataji: Most of them? Oh, God! (laughing) So, where have you been before coming to me? To what group you have been? Seeker: I go to Zen. Shri Mataji: What does he do? Seeker: He taught us seeing into your original face. Shri Mataji: What does he say? Seeker: Look to your original face. That’s Zen. Shri Mataji: Zen. Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: But he is not a realised-soul. You see, this is Zen, what else I am teaching here? Do you realise? Sahaj Yoga is nothing else but Zen, simple Zen! Unless and until you are realised, how are you going to see into the original? How are you going to penetrate into that? This is simple Zen I’m telling. So, what is he doing here, your friend? He has got a class or something? Seeker: No. He’s just a friend. He writes and teaches us things. Shri Mataji: What’s the use of writing without understanding? You cannot copy Zen, you have to be there. See, there were only twenty-six kashyapas in the sixth centuries there – ‘kashyapas’ means realised-souls – in the Zen system, so far. And now we have so many of them here. So, this is Zen, nothing else but Zen. You must understand. You tell him to come and see me sometimes. You see, this is all artificial, you cannot copy people. You have to get it; you understand my point? Seeker: But I’m not sure. (Inaudible) I have problems. Shri Mataji: What is it? Seeker: One time I was in hospital, for several times. Shri Mataji: Yes. You have been. Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: No, that’s true, but what I’m saying is that, for that, you should take your treatment. All right? We have some treatments here. Do you know what we give for that? Seeker: (Inaudible). Shri Mataji: Yes, did you bring that? Seeker: I did yes. Shri Mataji: You did once. Seeker: Yes. I just had it two times. Shri Mataji: All right. Now both the hands you are getting the tingling or one hand? (Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi to a Sahaj Yogi and asks where is the tingling.) Shri Mataji: It will be, gradually, it will be settling down. You see, it has to settle down within you. He’s come with you, is it? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. … Shri Mataji: All right, just see his vibrations, you can see yourself. Left Side is very weak. All right. Now what about you, both the hands or left hand? Seeker: (Inaudible.) Shri Mataji: Where? Seeker: (Inaudible.) Shri Mataji: Some are sitting here you see. (Shri Mataji is laughing.) Changing very fast. Give a Realisation to the man who is in the corner there. He is getting? He hasn’t got it yet? Sahaja Yogini: No… Shri Mataji: Ah? I never knew. Really? You’ve been to something, no? Come, let’s see! Come on my feet.

How Realisation should be allowed to develop, Public Program. Caxton Hall, London, England. 15 October 1979. Most of you are Sahaj Yogis here. Now those who have got Realisation, those who have felt the vibrations, must know that they are now developing into another being. The germination has started, and you must allow the germination to work out its own way. But normally, when we get Realisation also, we do not realise that it is a tremendous thing that has happened within us. That this triggering, which is an impossibility, has taken place within us, and it has to work out slowly. It has to develop, and evolve us into that, and because we do not feel it, we do not take it that seriously as we should, our Realisation. Moreover, they are surrounded by people who have not felt the vibrations, they do not know this area; they have never seen it. As Guru Nanak has called it, it is alakshya (आलक्ष्य: unobservable). They have not seen it, they don’t know about it, they don’t know there is a power of God that exists, which understands, coordinates, cooperates with you, which is working in the collective being, which makes aware, you aware of that collective being and of others also. This alakshya, or we can call it paroksha (परोक्ष:invisible), which is not seen by any one, which no one knows about, they talk about it. They talk about the Kingdom of God, they talk about God’s Powers, Divine Power. It’s all talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. But once you are triggered into it, you have to grow into it. Unless and until you grow into it, you’ll be dropped, specially for people who have come from fake gurus and from false things that they have been following. They don’t know how terrible these things are. Like you are on a crocodile, and suddenly you discover it’s a crocodile: how fast you would run from that? But even the understanding that it is a crocodile and it is going to eat you off doesn’t come up so easily. So, this one doesn’t realise also, as you do not realise that triggering which is the most difficult thing has happened to you, it is difficult. But it has happened to you, you know why it has happened. You take that one for granted and also you take the devils for granted. At least don’t take the devils for granted. Run away from them as soon as possible. Meditate, meditate, and try to establish yourself, in the realm of Divine love. I say it is Divine love. You cannot understand what Divine love is. You cannot understand any human being who loves you only for love’s sake. Just because that person loves you, he goes on loving because he enjoys that loving. In Sanskrit it is called avyaja (अव्याज: natural; simple), that there is no interest, avyaja, it’s just flowing. Even when it corrects you, it corrects you in love. And the protection of Divine love is the only way you are germinating. That love gives you that warmth needed, that strength needed, that confidence needed. Everything is given to you by that Divine love. So, one has to realise that it is love, and love, and love is the basis of all this Creation. God has created this world, this universe, only because He loved. And He wants to bestow this blessing on you because He loves you. But how far you love yourself is the problem. How far you understand yourself is the problem. You do not evaluate yourself, and that is the reason why, though the Kundalini has risen and you have got Realisation, your vibrations are flowing, the growth is very slow. Because attention has been outside, and even after Realisation it is outside. Sometimes it is sucked in [but] again it goes outside. Then we do not change our old habits at all. We go on sticking to those old habits. Our structure of life, our styles of thinking, continue to be the same: again, we find ourselves lost into the same shambles. Now Sahaj Yog gives you Realisation, alright, but also it gives you a long rope to hang yourself, if you do not pay heed to yourself and to your being, if you don’t love yourself and understand that you are the instrument of God by which for the first time you are going to give Realisation to people, you are going to save people from getting drowned. And this is the first time you are made like that. This capability you never had and no human beings have, which you have got now today. Very few people had this capability, very, very few people. But now you have got that capacity and you do not want to evaluate yourself. How important it is, if you could realise, then you would work it out [and] allow the blossoming to come up. On the contrary I find [that] today, because you are all Sahaj Yogis, I can talk to you like this. Normally it is about Kundalini and all that, but I find that, you do not see the movements of your Kundalini. If you try to understand that She’s the one who loves you the most, because She is your individual Mother. And, if you try to follow Her, you will see that She’s suggesting where is the problem with you, what you have to correct, what you have to do. Because She wants to perfect you. She wants to help you. So, if you start watching it, carefully, with love, with understanding- She’s very playful, extremely sweet, full of beautiful plays like a little child. She will tickle you here and there, call for your attention. She doesn’t trouble you. You have to be just alert about Her, and She really matures you. You have seen people, with time, how they have matured. But you have to pay attention to Her and to yourself, otherwise what is your value, without enlightenment? What is the value of a human being without enlightenment? What is the use of having human beings if they are not enlightened? What is the use of this instrument if it is not put to the mains? The rest is all useless, isn’t it? And it is you who have to raise the people. You have to enlighten the people. As we have some gas lights: a man runs up to the gas lights to lighten them, only he has the power or capacity to do it. So, he runs up the street, lightening all the gas lights. It is he, here, who has to do it. He is appointed for that. Sahaj Yogis must realise what is their value. What have you made out of Sahaj Yoga? How many people have you saved? How many people you have helped? Instead your own problems are so many and you are creating problems for others by talking, by discussing, by arguing. You cannot discuss it out. You must know. You cannot argue it out. It has to work by itself. By arguing, discussing, fussing, judging, confusing yourself, you create a problem for your Kundalini to work it out. Are you not seeking your Spirit? Are you not worried about the salvation of your own Spirit? If so, what are you doing about it? That’s the most important thing. I think everybody realises this, that only achieving Self-realisation is not the end of it, because it’s just the sprouting that has started. You have to go further. You have to have compassion for others who haven’t got it yet. You have to think about them, you have to give it to them; work it out, put all your minds to it. But still I find people are busy with other things. They go back into the same circle. You should be busy. I don’t say that you should not do something for your living. You have to do it. This is one thing very important for us to know, that we have to work it out. We have to allow it to grow within ourselves. But I mean if you say that, “Mother, we have all faith in you, that’s all.” That’s not sufficient. What faith do you have? What do you mean by faith? It is such a vague term. What is faith after all? Have you ever analysed the word ‘faith’? Some people think that, “We have all faith in Mother. If we sing Her praise – finished!” For that, one has to reach a certain stage, like Adi Shankaracharya had reached. Have you got faith in yourself? – is the point. Who is having faith in me? Is the one who has no faith in oneself! You have to have faith in yourself and in all your fellow beings, all these other Sahaj Yogis. I have already told you that Sahaj Yoga is not going to work out individually. Anybody who thinks that, “I am something greater than the others!” is a gone case. Nobody should work Sahaj Yoga for oneself in that way. You have to work collectively for every one of them. Any one of you who thinks that you have something higher than the others have, you are sadly mistaken. It’s like one eye saying that, “I am higher than the other!”, or one nose saying, “I am higher than the eyes!” Everything has its own place in the body of Virata, and everybody is so important, as well as dispensable. You know what happens in Sahaj Yoga – very common in India, not so much here. I mean Indians do this way: they have certain very good points like, I mean wherever I go I find them very much matured and very much developed, because they are not such thinkers as you are. You are great thinkers, visionaries, intellectuals, you see. And I was thinking all the intellectuals will be developing a horn here like this after some time. And when you see them, you’ll know that these intellectuals who are denouncing God and denouncing all His ways, they are not intellectuals I would say, to that extent. But they [Indians] fail in certain things, while you fail in certain things. They always had this kind of thing where somebody came up like one man, who said, “No, I am something great!” Then, he says, “I am this, I am that!” Goes on with this kind of harping, and he shows down other people. And then suddenly, such a person is brought down, and the people are shocked. “Mother, how? What happened?” You cannot! You see if you have to even pull a dead carpet like that, you cannot pull one side of it, you have to carry the whole. Only one person cannot shoot off in the whole game. Now you take my position. Yes, I know I have all the powers, everything is there, of course; I am supposed to be much higher and all that – supposed to be, I should say. But confronting you, I have to come down; I have to fight the way with you, up the hill. Every step, we have to go together hand in hand. You know that. Somebody’s some chakras are catching so I put my Chakra into play. It works out. It works out that way. But you know how much I have to struggle, how much I have to work hard. It’s a task, giving Realisation. My Kundalini doesn’t need anything, you know that, but still She has to carry your heavy Kundalini on Herself and raise it. It’s a very heavy thing. Only a Person of real love can do that, that’s the only criteria. The one who does not have love, cannot do it [because] it is too much a thing to do – the whole body vibrating, every centre vibrating; it’s not easy. But it’s just the love, the compassion between you and me, which soothes me, which covers all the tasks and the labour and the thing that I have to put in. And sometimes it’s such a wasteful thing I feel about some people. It is such a waste with them. But still the love that has brought us together gives that soothing feeling and you feel so cheerful. Every morning you get up with a new fragrance within yourself, feeling so happy about it. So be careful in dealing with people, you have to deal with love, not with criticism or in any way showing them down in any way. When you are not any way higher than anyone then there is no reason it should be done like that. If you are getting any way higher, you are helping the Collective Being. But in that, if you are feeling that you are higher than others you are again coming down because you are pulling down the Collective Being. If you put down anyone, or condemn anyone like that, then you are putting down that person. And, you should not also correct, because I am there to correct. It’s not easy to correct others, you may hurt them. You don’t know even the ways of correcting people. Unless and until you have those powerful vibrations, which are emitting from your being just love, then you can do it. Because of an ego-oriented society we are very good at hurting others. We dominate others. We don’t even know that we are dominating others. There are so many ways I have learned in this country we have, by which we dominate, in a very subtle way. We talk to people, in such a way that we are dominating them. Do we ever think, sit down, how are we going to talk to others, suggesting our love to them? I’ll tell you again and again that Sahaj Yog is nothing but love, love, love. How much you love others is the main point. Despising, criticising, is not good. Yesterday, you were just the same, today you are better off, you are going to be better off still. Of course, some people who are very heavy, who are very troublesome, you should tell them plainly that: “Sorry sir, you are very negative, we can’t bear you.” There are some cunning people also who may come in and try to trouble you. To a point is all right, then you have to tell them off that: “We are sorry.” But even to judge whether a person is negative or what sort of a thing he is doing, you are just thinking about it, you are rationalising – not through rationality, but through vibrations. Because rationality, a person may appear to be a very nice person, may be, or a lady coming in, see, and the lady will be a terrible stuff. So how much you meditate means how much you love. When you think of others, think how much you love them, just try to think how beautiful it is. If it is not love, it is hatred. It’s like a scorching heat you see, which will completely take away all the beauty, the smoothness, of your heart. Only through love, Sahaj Yoga is going to spread. All these years you have seen the powers of hatred. You have seen how people hate, how they talk about each other, how they treat each other. There’s no tenderness about them, there’s no kindness about them, how sharp they are with each other. You have to change all that now. You have to create a world of people who love each other, for nothing: not for money, not for positions, not for beauty, not for sex, only for love’s sake, only because you have been blessed by love. From next time we’ll be advertising and there will be many more coming who are new people to Sahaj Yoga. And I am sure it is going to increase. But I have told you that all of you must find out how many people you can bring in yourself and work out. I must say Jim has done a good job, very good job. I’m very proud of him. He has gone and done such a lot of things, and single-handed he has worked it out, fighting such a horrible monster there, but he’s done it. All of you must support him, and also such people who want to do something. Put your mind to something like that. All the time we are thinking about jobs, this, that, that. This is a very precious time which should not be lost. All our lives we have done jobs, earning money, marrying, having children and dying. This lifetime, let us do something special, for which this whole universe was created. Open the gates of heavens for the rest of the people. You have to be assiduous. There’s no compulsion in Sahaj Yoga you know that very well. There’s no timing for it. There’s no forcing for it, because I say it is love. If you do not want to do it, nobody is going to force you. But, as I said, Sahaj Yoga gives a very long rope to hang yourself, till you go into illusions completely and you wouldn’t even know that you have lost all your vibrations. It is to that extent. If we have entered into something which was unprecedented, we have to take the ways which are unprecedented. You cannot go about with the ways that you have had before. You have to change your methods. Judge every action of yours through love. How much sacrifice can you make for others? What can you sacrifice for others? What service can you do for others? Sahaj Yogis I am saying. There is no sacrifice in it. If you see it, what is the sacrifice? It is love. If you love someone, and you want to take, say, a rose for a person, and you go to the market, with great difficulty you get the rose. When you get it you feel happy. But then you get the thorn in the finger, still you don’t mind. It’s bleeding, doesn’t matter. Then you are just waiting to see the person there. And when you see the person, you forget all that is gone in between and you give that rose just to express yourself, symbolically. And how happy you feel that you have been able to give that rose to that person. This we do every day in our life. But in Sahaj Yoga you do it without even knowing it – it’s happening. You are transmitters. Everywhere you are sitting in meditation you are transmitting vibrations. Do you know that? At that time if you are thinking of your jobs and your other things which you have been thinking [about] before, the transmission is poorer. Think of love, think of the whole country, think of the whole world at that time. You are transmitters of these waves of love, and love will flow from you. I told you once that you are made in the form of Ganesha, and that’s what you have to do. You know there are vibrations from you coming out, you are sending vibrations out, you know that. That means you are like any deity which is thrown out of the Mother’s, I mean Earth’s womb, and a big temple is raised, and thousands of people go to worship that. And they say it is a temple of a Jagrut Devata. ‘Jagrut’ means enlightened, awakened. And that’s just a stone, a stone that comes out and people build a temple on top of that and go there and worship that. While there are so many already sitting here, so many jagrut, realised-souls. These are living, these are moving, these are understanding, they manoeuvre. The stones only emit vibrations to clear the atmosphere, but you can raise the Kundalini. They cannot raise the Kundalini; you can. And what are you doing about it? Such a precious thing you have got. What are you doing about it? Is it because there is no business with it that we are taking it so slowly? Supposing it’s an enterprise then everybody would be up and doing, is it? We have to change our ways and methods of understanding. The reward of God is thousand-fold than any enterprise can bestow upon you. When He blesses you, you wouldn’t even have words to thank Him, to that extent He goes. Are we depending on Him or on our own old ways? We have to change very much; we have to transform ourselves into new style of thinking. It is very, very important. I hope you’ll think about it, what I have talked to you today. Don’t take to life which has not brought any happiness to you. You have your friends who are Sahaj Yogis. Change your friends. Change your methods of life. You’ll enjoy much more. This is for you to understand about yourself and about the importance of Sahaj Yoga. Unless and until it is an enterprise, nobody takes it up seriously. This is the style of Western thinking. It has to be, whether it is hocus-pocus or real enterprise, doesn’t matter, as long as there are money exchanges, everybody is up and doing. But when it comes to Sahaj Yoga they have no time even to meditate. Because we have not yet loved, we have not felt that love within ourselves. I wish you could all feel that depth of love. Then you would go all out to work it out for yourself and for others. I would like to have some questions from you, Sahaj Yogis, if possible. But somebody should try to give him, he can get it in no time, Realisation. Is there any question? Ask me – anything practical. Because we have very few new people today, we can just have a very nice chat. Lady: Would you explain to me about sometimes, when people say if you put your legs out like that it’s just not good and you should have them underneath– what’s wrong? I mean if it’s not a sexual tantalisation or something, what’s wrong with having your legs just stretching out in front of you? Shri Mataji: In front of me? Will you do to the Queen? Lady: No, no, I’m sorry. Shri Mataji: No, no, what I am saying, will you do to the Queen of England? Lady: No, no. If you are alone, now what happens? Shri Mataji: Hum? Lady: I don’t mean if somebody’s there. Shri Mataji: Before my photograph? Will you spit at? Lady: When you sit to meditate. Shri Mataji: No, no, what I’m saying if your Queen’s photograph is there, will you spit at her? Lady: Is that a spit? Shri Mataji: Yes, it is! It is an insult. Putting your feet towards somebody is an insult. Is a common thing! Lady: Is it only a custom in India? Shri Mataji: No, no, it is a custom everywhere in the whole world. You have lost all your traditions, doesn’t mean that there were no such traditions of putting away feet on somebody. Imagine, somebody coming down to see you, somebody whom you have to respect, you put your feet up? I mean, anybody can understand, even a child understands this. You see the sense of our respect has come to us from inside, not from outside. It’s not rationality. It has come to us from our unconscious. We know how we respect. Say somebody would say that, “What’s wrong in talking like this to someone?” You see, supposing somebody says, now you know that, even a child knows, if he is talking to elders, he’ll put down his head. But here, you see everybody is so abnormal. You don’t know how to do everything because everything is rationalised, you see. Tomorrow, you might say, “What’s wrong if I stand on my head?” I mean, “Do it”, but that’s not the way. There are certain normal ways of protocol, of praying. How do you pray in the church? Imagine, in the church you go and sit with both your feet towards the priest. What will he say? “Put down your feet!” These things are innate within us. Human beings know already lots of things. They are not animals. They know lots of things already. You don’t know how many things are built in you. In a very beautiful way in your understanding, as a human being, you know so many things. Nowhere in the world you’ll find anybody putting up their feet before anyone whom you respect. It’s not a sign of respect. There’s no question of India or anything. Only thing in India, people have yet preserved all their sense of respect. In other places, they have so rationalised and so ego-oriented that they have no respect for anyone whatsoever. Lady: You take it only as a sign of respect. Supposing that somebody is sitting alone and they don’t have Your picture or they don’t have anything, is it all right to stretch their legs? Shri Mataji: Then it’s all right. I mean, you see it is. Lady: Somebody said that if you put your legs out it’s creating some bad energy or something. That’s why I wanted to check. Shri Mataji: No, no not that way, not losing energy. I was just thinking about stretching the feet before somebody whom you respect. Say, my Photograph is there or I am there. Now, you respect me. Isn’t it? Then you will not like to sit with the feet. That’s what I’m trying to say. But, you see, losing energy and all that is not there at all. Who told you that? That’s not. You sleep like that. You don’t sleep with the feet on the ground. How can it be? If anybody says that, you should not take it for granted. You see I think all this is not so important also. Even you sleep, how do you sleep? I mean, it is so simple and natural. You know this is what’s happening with rationality. See, very simple things become so funny that you, I don’t know what to say. That’s why I said a horn will be growing from here, all of you intellectuals. You’ll be having a big horn coming out so people will know, “All right, all right, we know these people.” Nobody will face them. You see, this so simple. Because you are so complicated, all simple things look so horrid. Is a question of respect and is a question of – if you are sleeping, of course you stretch your feet like that, straight. It’s all right. While you sit down, you can sit like that, there’s no harm. You need not be cross-legged all the time. It’s not necessary. If you are doing some sort of a exercise or something, you can be like that. But everything, now say, for example, you have got hands. Now this is for many purposes, all right? It is for taking vibrations, it is for eating, it is for scratching. Now, if you are eating at that time if you want to scratch, now what to do? It’s a question like that. See whatever you have to do, you do at that right time, with the way you want to do. If you need your feet for something – running, you should run. When you have to sit down, you should sit down. When you have to sleep you must sleep. I mean this is normal. Sahaj Yogis does not mean that you should cut your noses. No, it doesn’t mean that. It means you have to be more beautiful. It doesn’t matter, you see even if you bend ten times, but it does matter if you pull back yourself, even once. Doesn’t matter, to be humble, to be more humble and more humble, is so sweet and good. You see, makes you more cultured, more harmonious and beautiful. Man: I have a problem. Shri Mataji: What’s it? Man: I’ve been, in my humble way, devoted myself, to the spiritual realisation of myself, I adopted meditation, I completely lost number of years. I realised that state in subtle awareness and I feel myself highly elevated from this material world, the feeling of bliss, absolute peace, happiness and joy. And, I see the Spirit which I construct upon in a very glorious, boarded way, in a boarded, shut boarded way. That state continues for some time, but doesn’t stay for a long time, for a long number of days. After a short time again I find I come down. And this goes like a curve, and when I find that from the height I have come down, I feel a little disturbed, why it is happening. And, I have found that the more I detach myself from my family, from my work, from my friends, from other things, the lighter I feel and the greater number of peace I get from meditation. Now, the trouble is this. About one year ago, when I would see a beautiful girl, a beautiful lady, I would remain restless perhaps for two days, three days or something like that. When I learnt about Patanjali’s yoga – Shri Mataji: What yoga is this? Man: Beg Your pardon? Shri Mataji: What yoga are you doing? Man: Now, I’m just saying that now, I’m perfectly all right. Shri Mataji: What was that you did? What yoga did you do? Man: Well, as a matter of fact, I’m not following any yoga as such but I have studied Patanjali. Shri Mataji: Patanjali, all right. Man: And, then when I met … Now the concern is this: that attraction which I used to have some time back is eliminated. But still, I do find a stern will within myself, to maintain that state of mind which gives me lot of bliss, for that moment it disappears, and then again I revert to that. That is my personal problem. I think I’ve tried to be very open. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, that’s correct. All right. Now, the first thing is what chakras are catching? Man: Left Swadishthana. Shri Mataji: That’s it. Now see, to do Patanjali was a mistake in the very beginning. As a Mother, I must tell you frankly, all right? Because Patanjali cannot be done unless and until you have some realised guru behind it. If you start doing it, it is unauthorised, you see. It is an unauthorised thing to do. Like, supposing I am not a policeman and I start behaving like a policeman, I’ll be arrested. In the same way, you did it in an unauthorised way. By doing in an unauthorised way you have started in the wrong direction altogether. The direction was wrong. And the bliss and all that you get it, is not the bliss that we are talking about. That’s a bliss one gets when you shirk responsibility, you can get it. You see, if you can get out of your family and children and all that, one can feel blissful if he thinks that it is having a sort of a pressure on you or a kind of attachment or something. But in Sahaj Yoga what happens is that you become a personality when you are in the drama but you are just seeing it. You become a sakshi (witness). That should happen. That’s the reality. That’s how it should happen. Once it happens to you, then you will just start seeing the whole thing as a drama. Man: Yes. Shri Mataji: You understand? Shri Mataji: What is he saying? Sahaja Yogi: He feels a slight cool breeze. Shri Mataji: He is getting. Yes, he is a realised-soul. Yes, he got Realisation. He got it. What about this gentleman here, in front of you Marcus? Question: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: So, it should happen in the most natural way, in a spontaneous way. And, God has given you that ankura which is called as Kundalini, which of course you know. Kabira and all these people have talked about. But it is a Sahaj method, it just happens to you, with a realised-soul only. You cannot do it yourself. If you try to do it, you will be making a mistake. And that’s what has happened in you. So now we have to completely sort of neutralise the effects of that. And then we’ll raise your Kundalini by which you’ll get your Realisation, by which, gradually you will get your vibrations, and you’ll start understanding. All right? So, you just now forget about what you have done, and it’s going to work out. Then it’s a permanent thing. What about his vibration Marcus? Marcus: Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Left or right? You’ve got your Realisation is it? I’m asking him. Other man: Yes. Shri Mataji: Is it all right? There’s a catch on the left is it? Are you feeling something? You get what? Other man: I have a slight pain on my leg. Shri Mataji: Hmm. Anybody who has any problems about chakras, anyone of the Sahaj Yogis, anybody who has any problem about their own chakras, please ask me. Because next time we’ll be having lots of people here, then we won’t be able to talk, so better ask me about it. Dinesh what is your problem? Dinesh: My problem? Hmm. Shri Mataji: Agnya. I can see that clearly, from here. You have to forgive people. Do you understand that? Forgive, and forgive. What about her vibrations? Now just see. (break in recording) Shri Mataji: You have not been? Seeker: I have not been here very much. Shri Mataji: All right. But have you been practicing? Seeker: I’ve practiced and I stopped practicing for a while. Shri Mataji: Why? Seeker: Hmm. Shri Mataji: Now, what have you been practicing? Did you take vibrations and did you cleanse yourself? Seeker: No (Inaudible) I didn’t take footsoaks. Shri Mataji: Foot bath. Seeker: I didn’t know when to use … Shri Mataji: Any time. Evening is better. So, what is it then? Seeker: Sorry? Shri Mataji: What? You are not feeling anything in your hand? Seeker: No. (Inaudible.) Shri Mataji: In which fingers are you feeling the tingling? Seeker: In most of them. Shri Mataji: Most of them? Oh, God! (laughing) So, where have you been before coming to me? To what group you have been? Seeker: I go to Zen. Shri Mataji: What does he do? Seeker: He taught us seeing into your original face. Shri Mataji: What does he say? Seeker: Look to your original face. That’s Zen. Shri Mataji: Zen. Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: But he is not a realised-soul. You see, this is Zen, what else I am teaching here? Do you realise? Sahaj Yoga is nothing else but Zen, simple Zen! Unless and until you are realised, how are you going to see into the original? How are you going to penetrate into that? This is simple Zen I’m telling. So, what is he doing here, your friend? He has got a class or something? Seeker: No. He’s just a friend. He writes and teaches us things. Shri Mataji: What’s the use of writing without understanding? You cannot copy Zen, you have to be there. See, there were only twenty-six kashyapas in the sixth centuries there – ‘kashyapas’ means realised-souls – in the Zen system, so far. And now we have so many of them here. So, this is Zen, nothing else but Zen. You must understand. You tell him to come and see me sometimes. You see, this is all artificial, you cannot copy people. You have to get it; you understand my point? Seeker: But I’m not sure. (Inaudible) I have problems. Shri Mataji: What is it? Seeker: One time I was in hospital, for several times. Shri Mataji: Yes. You have been. Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: No, that’s true, but what I’m saying is that, for that, you should take your treatment. All right? We have some treatments here. Do you know what we give for that? Seeker: (Inaudible). Shri Mataji: Yes, did you bring that? Seeker: I did yes. Shri Mataji: You did once. Seeker: Yes. I just had it two times. Shri Mataji: All right. Now both the hands you are getting the tingling or one hand? (Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi to a Sahaj Yogi and asks where is the tingling.) Shri Mataji: It will be, gradually, it will be settling down. You see, it has to settle down within you. He’s come with you, is it? Sahaja Yogi: Yes. … Shri Mataji: All right, just see his vibrations, you can see yourself. Left Side is very weak. All right. Now what about you, both the hands or left hand? Seeker: (Inaudible.) Shri Mataji: Where? Seeker: (Inaudible.) Shri Mataji: Some are sitting here you see. (Shri Mataji is laughing.) Changing very fast. Give a Realisation to the man who is in the corner there. He is getting? He hasn’t got it yet? Sahaja Yogini: No… Shri Mataji: Ah? I never knew. Really? You’ve been to something, no? Come, let’s see! Come on my feet.

10/19/1979

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Getting To Know Yourself

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Public program. Gayton Road, Harrow (near London), England. 19 October 1979. Today we have gathered here to know something about ourselves and not about others. We know that we are human beings and that God has created us from a small little amoeba to this complicated structure called as human being. But does He have any plan behind it? Why did He make us a human being, which is such a beautiful thing according to Me? What was His purpose in creating us? Have we reached that point to understand what is the purpose behind our creation? And that is why it is necessary sometimes one has to reach that stage to know what you are. Are you only your body, your mind, your intelligence, your ego, your superego, or there is something beyond within you? Is there any undercurrent, which works out the whole creation and you? Have you got any role to play in the whole plan of God Almighty? If so, what is the role and where do you stand in relation to Him? If I have to say that there is a great meaning in your creation of your own being and that you do not know your value, you are not to just believe Me, neither to deny Me, but keep a open mind of a scientist. Like a hypothesis if I put something before you, you have to just see for yourself it works out or not. Now within us there is an instrument, a living instrument, which is being placed very beautifully, as it is shown in this figure, created by God every time we went from amoeba to this stage. And these different lines that you see, three different lines, are the undercurrents of our autonomous nervous system, which we call as sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. We take everything for granted. We take our own being, human being, for granted. We never think. How did we get all these? We take for granted many things, many miracles, like a flower becoming a fruit, a little seed becoming a huge big tree. But now the question is to answer why and how these things happen. The time has come. This time had to come sometime, is promised in many Scriptures. Perhaps the time is there for you to see whether it is true or not. Now this instrument that is placed within us is shown here which has... (Can you take the thing from him? Just if you can lend your... we'll be thankful. Thank you very much.) ... is called as Kundalini. This is placed in the triangular bone of our being, is very nicely placed there. It is the germinating power within us, the primule. In Hindi or Sanskrit we call it ankur which when sprouts gives rise to a new being within us, which we know from all the Scriptures, is called as the second birth. We have to have the second birth. It's described in all the Scriptures, all respectable ones. Now what is the second birth? It's not some artificial ritual by some unauthorized people. People talk of Self-realization. People talk of the all-pervading power beyond. But is there such a power existing? Is there something beyond that we do not see? Now it is for us to see for and to find out, but how? How did we become human beings? We don't know, spontaneously. How did a flower become a fruit, just spontaneously. That's a living process. It is all built in, it is within the seed, it is within the flower. It is within you to become that. It's spontaneous, sahaja. Saha means with; ja means born. It is born with you. It is spontaneous. You cannot do anything about it. You cannot stand on your head, you cannot do any exercises, you cannot jump about, you cannot say anything, but it has to happen within you. Now how does it happen? How do you enlighten a light? Say there is a candle, which is not enlightened, you have to bring one enlightened candle and enlighten that. It's very simple. Because the candle is ready to be enlightened, you have to just put your candle near the other candle and it just gets enlightened. It is that simple. But the difficult part is you do not get an enlightened, enlightened candle easily. And if you get it, you butcher it. We have had many such people on this earth before who talked about it, who said about it, who would have done this job, but they were butchered, they were killed, they were poisoned and they were crucified. We always denied the truth. We would not accept it. What was the reason? Because we are identified with untruth. It is difficult to jump to something and to depend on something which we have not known, and easy to depend on something that we have known is our ego. Now within us these three powers act. One comes from the right hand side and goes to the left hand side... (No, it comes from the... yes... this comes from the right hand side, the first one... You stand up and show them.). Now, this power, (left hand side one... yes) is, in the Sanskrit language this channel is called as Ida Nadi, and this power is the power by which we exist, which gives us the power of existence. And in the same manner, the same power can destroy, because negation of existence is destruction. The second power that we have is the power of creation, which runs from your left side of the brain downward to the right hand side. Now the central power which you see there is the power by which we have evolved. And as far as you have achieved, as far as you are a human being, as far as is your awareness is expressed, up to the point it has reached. But you can see there is gap in between and this gap has to be filled. And this is the gap I am talking about. And for this gap you have got this special power which is called as the residual power or the germinating power which is coiled up and kept there ready for your germination, is the Kundalini. Now there is an instrument here and it has a coil too. If it is not put to the mains it has no meaning. In the same way if your instrument is not put to the mains you have no meaning, because you have to find out the absolute part. You are still living with relativity. That's why all this confusion is whether you talk of communisms or of capitalism or of democracy or of any other "cracy," it's all a confusion still. The reason is you have not found out your absolute, what is your absolute that is within you, in your heart there, inside, placed as your Spirit. God is reflected in your heart as your Spirit, called as Atma. Unless and until your attention reaches that Spirit, talking about it, doing anything about it, it's absolutely useless. You have to be really born again. It's an actualization, which should take place. It is not talking or doing any ritual or anything else. It has to happen within you. Without the happening, it has no meaning. And it does happen and it has happened, for thousands of people have been blessed by this. Now when this Kundalini rises piercing those six centers, first of all it integrates you. These six centers represent your different aspects of being. When this Kundalini rises, She integrates you with your Self. For example, your mind goes on one side, your body goes on another side, your heart goes on the third side. All these things get integrated through this piercing of this Kundalini, through these centers which are six above and one below. The one below is for the protection. Only human beings know that there is something like innocence. The lowest center is of your innocence. Now, we never think in science that there is something like innocence and that innocence plays a very big part in our physical being. It is impossible for human beings to [REALISE?] because they themselves are disintegrated. For example, science analyses you and disintegrates you. Maybe you will have to get one doctor for one eye and another for another eye. The condition is so bad that you are absolutely analyzed and you are, you do not know how to relate everything within yourself. Now this Kundalini when it rises it goes through all that and pierces the fontanel bone area which is called as Brahmarandra and you become one with the Divine. Then you become one with that all-pervading power and you become collectively conscious. You become. It is not lecturing that we are all brothers and sisters, we must all love each other, we must form United Nations and this and that. It is a happening that takes place. By that in your awareness it happens, by that your own being starts feeling it. Even a child gets it. Even a child may be a born-realized. And then only decoding is needed that on your fingers when there is enlightenment all these centers of the sympathetic nervous system get enlightened and you start feeling all these centers in your hand. For example, we had somebody who first came to Me - one of the very first ones - and he just couldn't understand how could he, he had become collectively conscious though the vibrations starting flowing through his hands and he could feel the vibrations and this. So one day he said that the base of this finger is burning. Now this is the finger for the throat, on the right hand side, for the physical side. And he said that, "Somehow when I think of my father this base is burning." I said, "You telephone to him and find out what is the matter with him. He must be having a bronchitis or throat trouble. Because these are for the father and these are for the mother." And he telephoned and found out that mother talked to him and he said he is down with the bronchitis. But then gradually you start using this. And you are amazed that you have become really a part and parcel of the great being, like a little cell in the body of the whole, like the microcosm with the macrocosm. The relationship is established and you become collectively conscious. Again I say, you become. Then only you feel the peace, the bliss that is promised to you. And you feel that the vibrations are flowing through you like cool breeze in your hands. It is described in the scriptures, it is described in the Devi Mahatmyam that you feel it like cool breeze. I was surprised the other day a Jew girl, one of the Sahaja Yogini, she told Me that it is called as Ruah in Hebrew language, means wind. A Holy Spirit, Spirit is called as Ruah meaning cool wind. And even in the Bible or anywhere, any scripture, if you read you'll find the cool breeze is expressed for the Holy Ghost, for the Holy Spirit. And you start feeling the cool breeze which is all-pervading, If supposing there is a person who is possessed, then you find it little different. A person may start shaking before Me. But for a very short time, it doesn't trouble you. All the wrong ideas about Kundalini have come from people who have been really naive about it. First of all, a person who is not self-realized and is also a very holy person, a person who is not of that level, has no business to talk about Kundalini. He's not authorized to do that. Like a village man coming over here and putting his fingers in the plugs. If he says that Kundalini means a shock and the electricity means a shock, it's just the same. I haven't seen even one person, I have been now to various countries and in My own country, thousands of people have got realization without any shock or without any dancing or without any jumping. Nothing happens outside; everything happens within. But with your naked eyes you can see the Kundalini pulsating. With your naked eyes anybody, whether realized or not realized, if there is an obstruction in these, one of the centers - the second or the third - then you can see it very clearly. You can even follow it up with the stethoscope and you can see the pulsation rising and you can see the pulsation going up in the head, here. It is that clear-cut. Now it is better that we believe into it. We have done lot of nonsense by not believing. This is spontaneous, this is living, this is just emitting. You cannot do anything about it. You cannot pay for it, toll it. It's insult. It's an insulting thing to think that you can pay for anything that is spiritual. Those people who collect money in the name of God and live on that money are the most condemned ones. You cannot pay a single pie whatsoever for your spirituality. It is the love of God. How can you purchase? Only your ego people satisfy. They pamper your ego and you think you can pay for it, you go ahead with it and then you have all the money lost to them and then you start saying, "Oh, God, what has happen? We've lost all the money, we've given all the money and the fellow has run away." They just won't take your money; they put spirits into you, they hypnotize you. They take away your money and you are left with such problems. I've seen people developing heart troubles, epilepsy, horrible possessions, cannot sleep for days together. They fall on the street, they just jump, they start shouting, screaming, growling like animals. Are we to become animals now? Or are we to become birds to fly? What are we to become now? Or there are some people who have been jumping like frogs. So are we going to go down to that level or are we going to become something more? Already if you see in psychology, Jung - I hope you have read - has described that you have to become collectively conscious if realization has to take place. Many psychologists have accepted the existence of collective consciousness. They say that there is something universal unconscious within us, which gives us dreams, and symbols of universal nature. This is what you touch when you get your realization and this has to happen to you, which cannot be argued. You cannot argue about it. I've seen many people who even get realization go home and think about it. What can you think about it? What can you think of a fruit becoming a seed and a seed becoming a tree and tree blossoming and again becoming the fruit? What can you think about it? What can you write? All these writings you cannot understand unless and until you have found out the absolute. It's also relative. If you have to understand whether it is the truth or not, you must find out the absolute value of yourself. Now it is such a wide subject that I've been speaking now for years all over and it could not be covered even, I would say, even a little bit so far. There's a big book they have published - we haven't yet received them from India - about it. So those who are intellectuals can go through that and satisfy their intellect. But it's no question of your intellect because your rationality and intellect is limited. This I am talking about the unlimited. Something has to trigger it and that triggering takes place through this Kundalini, which is within you. No intellect can do that, only the divine love or someone who is blessed with that, and even people when they get realization they can do it themselves. It is so. You may not just now absolutely blindly believe Me, it's not necessary, but you must try to get to that. After all, what is the purpose of your life? Aren't you asking for that? If you do not get it what will happen, people may say. All [negativity]. In these modern times, for example, cancer, heart attacks, physically, diabetes, all the incurable diseases, multiple sclerosis, all are awaiting, gout, all kinds of diseases, mental problems, people can't sleep. It's all going towards destruction. You are being destroyed because you have not achieved the absolute that is required today for your existence. Today is a very different time. One must know it's the time of Last Judgment that has come. And this is the way you are going to be judged. This is the chance you have got to judge yourself and that God is going to judge you. So you cannot avoid this. If you try it is not going to help you. As a Mother I have to tell you, you must have patience with yourself, respect with yourself and you must know that you are extremely valuable and don't fritter away yourself for small, small things. All the time we have wasted our life with all sorts of nonsensical things. We have no time for God, we have no time for ourselves and we have no time for something for which we are born. May God bless you! Let's have the experiment. That's the best. And if you have any questions ask Me. But should be sensible questions, you see. I've seen people always ask such nonsensical questions that the time is wasted and those who really want it, really don't like it. So if you don't want to have it you are welcome to go away. If you want to have it, it's very simple. It will work out. There's no problem. And if you have any sensible questions, please ask Me. "No question at all? So you are just waiting to have it, is it?" That's the best, best group I ever seen so far, I must say. Let's see what happens. All right. Just put your hands like this. Take out your shoes. Now, and don't ask too many questions. Now people say, "Why should we take out our shoes?" You see, just to get contact with the earth, you see. Especially this place is so good I feel that we are just really on the earth itself, you see. So just take out your shoes - very simple it is - and put your hands just like this, just like this. Now, you may close your eyes, if you can. Some of you cannot because you might find a flickering in the eyes or maybe that you just cannot completely close it and some may be shaking their hands a little bit. All such people should open their eyes. The rest of them should close their eyes. Please sit with your both feet like this. Just tell this gentleman also to sit with both the feet like this on the ground. Yes, yes, would be better. Moje be neekal lijiye [in Hindi] If you take out socks would be even better. [Hindi talk] If there is something tight, say, on your back or, say, on your waist or something, just loosen it a little, if it is tight there, very tight. If it is not it's all right. You can take out even glasses. It's all right. Keep your eyes shut and see that there is no shaking in the eyelids or in the hands or fingers. [Hindi talk] You will find that if you watch your thoughts most of you will find there is no thought coming to you. This is called as thoughtless awareness or I call it as thoughtless enlightened awareness because samadhi means enlightened awareness. This is Nirvichar Samadhi. It is very quickly it happens. [Hindi] And then will be...just you feel in your own fingers, you see. You will feel first, maybe some of you may feel little hot breeze-like thing and then you will feel cool breeze coming within you. You feel very relaxed also with that. "Feeling it? Are you feeling in the hand? How are you feeling, Feeling in the hand cool breeze? Good. Please keep your eyes shut properly, all right, till you feel the cool breeze coming in your hand." [Hindi] All those who are getting cool breeze in the hands, all of you, raise your hands. Let Me see. It's good. It's good. Aren't you, not yet? All right, keep your eyes shut. Keep your eyes shut. It's good. Now all those who have been to a guru before and are not getting vibrations please raise your hands; those who have been to some guru. But you are getting vibrations all right, so it's all right. those who have been to any other guru before and not getting cool breeze in the hands. If you have not been to any other guru then it is all right but if you have been to some guru, somebody else, then please raise your hands. It's all right. You are all right, you'll see. Have you been to some guru? You have been. All right. You come here. I'll have to see you. Just come down. Come in front door. We'll have to see you. Who else has been to the guru? Just come forward. Those who have been to the guru please come forward, just here. Now please keep your eyes shut till you get it. Just keep your eyes shut. Only the people who have been to guru I would like to meet them here if you do not mind. Please come for one minute. Just come. Please come. Nothing to be frightened of Me. I'm your Mother. Come along. Come off. Nothing will happen. Just come on. Please. Sit down, sit down. [Hindi - Shri Mataji is inquiring about the gurus every person has been to before.] Now all those who are getting cool breeze please raise your hands again, so many of them. Now please put down your hands. Those who are not getting cool breeze please raise your hands. Three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Now I would like to go down and see them. [Hindi] Just go and see these people.

Public program. Gayton Road, Harrow (near London), England. 19 October 1979. Today we have gathered here to know something about ourselves and not about others. We know that we are human beings and that God has created us from a small little amoeba to this complicated structure called as human being. But does He have any plan behind it? Why did He make us a human being, which is such a beautiful thing according to Me? What was His purpose in creating us? Have we reached that point to understand what is the purpose behind our creation? And that is why it is necessary sometimes one has to reach that stage to know what you are. Are you only your body, your mind, your intelligence, your ego, your superego, or there is something beyond within you? Is there any undercurrent, which works out the whole creation and you? Have you got any role to play in the whole plan of God Almighty? If so, what is the role and where do you stand in relation to Him? If I have to say that there is a great meaning in your creation of your own being and that you do not know your value, you are not to just believe Me, neither to deny Me, but keep a open mind of a scientist. Like a hypothesis if I put something before you, you have to just see for yourself it works out or not. Now within us there is an instrument, a living instrument, which is being placed very beautifully, as it is shown in this figure, created by God every time we went from amoeba to this stage. And these different lines that you see, three different lines, are the undercurrents of our autonomous nervous system, which we call as sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. We take everything for granted. We take our own being, human being, for granted. We never think. How did we get all these? We take for granted many things, many miracles, like a flower becoming a fruit, a little seed becoming a huge big tree. But now the question is to answer why and how these things happen. The time has come. This time had to come sometime, is promised in many Scriptures. Perhaps the time is there for you to see whether it is true or not. Now this instrument that is placed within us is shown here which has... (Can you take the thing from him? Just if you can lend your... we'll be thankful. Thank you very much.) ... is called as Kundalini. This is placed in the triangular bone of our being, is very nicely placed there. It is the germinating power within us, the primule. In Hindi or Sanskrit we call it ankur which when sprouts gives rise to a new being within us, which we know from all the Scriptures, is called as the second birth. We have to have the second birth. It's described in all the Scriptures, all respectable ones. Now what is the second birth? It's not some artificial ritual by some unauthorized people. People talk of Self-realization. People talk of the all-pervading power beyond. But is there such a power existing? Is there something beyond that we do not see? Now it is for us to see for and to find out, but how? How did we become human beings? We don't know, spontaneously. How did a flower become a fruit, just spontaneously. That's a living process. It is all built in, it is within the seed, it is within the flower. It is within you to become that. It's spontaneous, sahaja. Saha means with; ja means born. It is born with you. It is spontaneous. You cannot do anything about it. You cannot stand on your head, you cannot do any exercises, you cannot jump about, you cannot say anything, but it has to happen within you. Now how does it happen? How do you enlighten a light? Say there is a candle, which is not enlightened, you have to bring one enlightened candle and enlighten that. It's very simple. Because the candle is ready to be enlightened, you have to just put your candle near the other candle and it just gets enlightened. It is that simple. But the difficult part is you do not get an enlightened, enlightened candle easily. And if you get it, you butcher it. We have had many such people on this earth before who talked about it, who said about it, who would have done this job, but they were butchered, they were killed, they were poisoned and they were crucified. We always denied the truth. We would not accept it. What was the reason? Because we are identified with untruth. It is difficult to jump to something and to depend on something which we have not known, and easy to depend on something that we have known is our ego. Now within us these three powers act. One comes from the right hand side and goes to the left hand side... (No, it comes from the... yes... this comes from the right hand side, the first one... You stand up and show them.). Now, this power, (left hand side one... yes) is, in the Sanskrit language this channel is called as Ida Nadi, and this power is the power by which we exist, which gives us the power of existence. And in the same manner, the same power can destroy, because negation of existence is destruction. The second power that we have is the power of creation, which runs from your left side of the brain downward to the right hand side. Now the central power which you see there is the power by which we have evolved. And as far as you have achieved, as far as you are a human being, as far as is your awareness is expressed, up to the point it has reached. But you can see there is gap in between and this gap has to be filled. And this is the gap I am talking about. And for this gap you have got this special power which is called as the residual power or the germinating power which is coiled up and kept there ready for your germination, is the Kundalini. Now there is an instrument here and it has a coil too. If it is not put to the mains it has no meaning. In the same way if your instrument is not put to the mains you have no meaning, because you have to find out the absolute part. You are still living with relativity. That's why all this confusion is whether you talk of communisms or of capitalism or of democracy or of any other "cracy," it's all a confusion still. The reason is you have not found out your absolute, what is your absolute that is within you, in your heart there, inside, placed as your Spirit. God is reflected in your heart as your Spirit, called as Atma. Unless and until your attention reaches that Spirit, talking about it, doing anything about it, it's absolutely useless. You have to be really born again. It's an actualization, which should take place. It is not talking or doing any ritual or anything else. It has to happen within you. Without the happening, it has no meaning. And it does happen and it has happened, for thousands of people have been blessed by this. Now when this Kundalini rises piercing those six centers, first of all it integrates you. These six centers represent your different aspects of being. When this Kundalini rises, She integrates you with your Self. For example, your mind goes on one side, your body goes on another side, your heart goes on the third side. All these things get integrated through this piercing of this Kundalini, through these centers which are six above and one below. The one below is for the protection. Only human beings know that there is something like innocence. The lowest center is of your innocence. Now, we never think in science that there is something like innocence and that innocence plays a very big part in our physical being. It is impossible for human beings to [REALISE?] because they themselves are disintegrated. For example, science analyses you and disintegrates you. Maybe you will have to get one doctor for one eye and another for another eye. The condition is so bad that you are absolutely analyzed and you are, you do not know how to relate everything within yourself. Now this Kundalini when it rises it goes through all that and pierces the fontanel bone area which is called as Brahmarandra and you become one with the Divine. Then you become one with that all-pervading power and you become collectively conscious. You become. It is not lecturing that we are all brothers and sisters, we must all love each other, we must form United Nations and this and that. It is a happening that takes place. By that in your awareness it happens, by that your own being starts feeling it. Even a child gets it. Even a child may be a born-realized. And then only decoding is needed that on your fingers when there is enlightenment all these centers of the sympathetic nervous system get enlightened and you start feeling all these centers in your hand. For example, we had somebody who first came to Me - one of the very first ones - and he just couldn't understand how could he, he had become collectively conscious though the vibrations starting flowing through his hands and he could feel the vibrations and this. So one day he said that the base of this finger is burning. Now this is the finger for the throat, on the right hand side, for the physical side. And he said that, "Somehow when I think of my father this base is burning." I said, "You telephone to him and find out what is the matter with him. He must be having a bronchitis or throat trouble. Because these are for the father and these are for the mother." And he telephoned and found out that mother talked to him and he said he is down with the bronchitis. But then gradually you start using this. And you are amazed that you have become really a part and parcel of the great being, like a little cell in the body of the whole, like the microcosm with the macrocosm. The relationship is established and you become collectively conscious. Again I say, you become. Then only you feel the peace, the bliss that is promised to you. And you feel that the vibrations are flowing through you like cool breeze in your hands. It is described in the scriptures, it is described in the Devi Mahatmyam that you feel it like cool breeze. I was surprised the other day a Jew girl, one of the Sahaja Yogini, she told Me that it is called as Ruah in Hebrew language, means wind. A Holy Spirit, Spirit is called as Ruah meaning cool wind. And even in the Bible or anywhere, any scripture, if you read you'll find the cool breeze is expressed for the Holy Ghost, for the Holy Spirit. And you start feeling the cool breeze which is all-pervading, If supposing there is a person who is possessed, then you find it little different. A person may start shaking before Me. But for a very short time, it doesn't trouble you. All the wrong ideas about Kundalini have come from people who have been really naive about it. First of all, a person who is not self-realized and is also a very holy person, a person who is not of that level, has no business to talk about Kundalini. He's not authorized to do that. Like a village man coming over here and putting his fingers in the plugs. If he says that Kundalini means a shock and the electricity means a shock, it's just the same. I haven't seen even one person, I have been now to various countries and in My own country, thousands of people have got realization without any shock or without any dancing or without any jumping. Nothing happens outside; everything happens within. But with your naked eyes you can see the Kundalini pulsating. With your naked eyes anybody, whether realized or not realized, if there is an obstruction in these, one of the centers - the second or the third - then you can see it very clearly. You can even follow it up with the stethoscope and you can see the pulsation rising and you can see the pulsation going up in the head, here. It is that clear-cut. Now it is better that we believe into it. We have done lot of nonsense by not believing. This is spontaneous, this is living, this is just emitting. You cannot do anything about it. You cannot pay for it, toll it. It's insult. It's an insulting thing to think that you can pay for anything that is spiritual. Those people who collect money in the name of God and live on that money are the most condemned ones. You cannot pay a single pie whatsoever for your spirituality. It is the love of God. How can you purchase? Only your ego people satisfy. They pamper your ego and you think you can pay for it, you go ahead with it and then you have all the money lost to them and then you start saying, "Oh, God, what has happen? We've lost all the money, we've given all the money and the fellow has run away." They just won't take your money; they put spirits into you, they hypnotize you. They take away your money and you are left with such problems. I've seen people developing heart troubles, epilepsy, horrible possessions, cannot sleep for days together. They fall on the street, they just jump, they start shouting, screaming, growling like animals. Are we to become animals now? Or are we to become birds to fly? What are we to become now? Or there are some people who have been jumping like frogs. So are we going to go down to that level or are we going to become something more? Already if you see in psychology, Jung - I hope you have read - has described that you have to become collectively conscious if realization has to take place. Many psychologists have accepted the existence of collective consciousness. They say that there is something universal unconscious within us, which gives us dreams, and symbols of universal nature. This is what you touch when you get your realization and this has to happen to you, which cannot be argued. You cannot argue about it. I've seen many people who even get realization go home and think about it. What can you think about it? What can you think of a fruit becoming a seed and a seed becoming a tree and tree blossoming and again becoming the fruit? What can you think about it? What can you write? All these writings you cannot understand unless and until you have found out the absolute. It's also relative. If you have to understand whether it is the truth or not, you must find out the absolute value of yourself. Now it is such a wide subject that I've been speaking now for years all over and it could not be covered even, I would say, even a little bit so far. There's a big book they have published - we haven't yet received them from India - about it. So those who are intellectuals can go through that and satisfy their intellect. But it's no question of your intellect because your rationality and intellect is limited. This I am talking about the unlimited. Something has to trigger it and that triggering takes place through this Kundalini, which is within you. No intellect can do that, only the divine love or someone who is blessed with that, and even people when they get realization they can do it themselves. It is so. You may not just now absolutely blindly believe Me, it's not necessary, but you must try to get to that. After all, what is the purpose of your life? Aren't you asking for that? If you do not get it what will happen, people may say. All [negativity]. In these modern times, for example, cancer, heart attacks, physically, diabetes, all the incurable diseases, multiple sclerosis, all are awaiting, gout, all kinds of diseases, mental problems, people can't sleep. It's all going towards destruction. You are being destroyed because you have not achieved the absolute that is required today for your existence. Today is a very different time. One must know it's the time of Last Judgment that has come. And this is the way you are going to be judged. This is the chance you have got to judge yourself and that God is going to judge you. So you cannot avoid this. If you try it is not going to help you. As a Mother I have to tell you, you must have patience with yourself, respect with yourself and you must know that you are extremely valuable and don't fritter away yourself for small, small things. All the time we have wasted our life with all sorts of nonsensical things. We have no time for God, we have no time for ourselves and we have no time for something for which we are born. May God bless you! Let's have the experiment. That's the best. And if you have any questions ask Me. But should be sensible questions, you see. I've seen people always ask such nonsensical questions that the time is wasted and those who really want it, really don't like it. So if you don't want to have it you are welcome to go away. If you want to have it, it's very simple. It will work out. There's no problem. And if you have any sensible questions, please ask Me. "No question at all? So you are just waiting to have it, is it?" That's the best, best group I ever seen so far, I must say. Let's see what happens. All right. Just put your hands like this. Take out your shoes. Now, and don't ask too many questions. Now people say, "Why should we take out our shoes?" You see, just to get contact with the earth, you see. Especially this place is so good I feel that we are just really on the earth itself, you see. So just take out your shoes - very simple it is - and put your hands just like this, just like this. Now, you may close your eyes, if you can. Some of you cannot because you might find a flickering in the eyes or maybe that you just cannot completely close it and some may be shaking their hands a little bit. All such people should open their eyes. The rest of them should close their eyes. Please sit with your both feet like this. Just tell this gentleman also to sit with both the feet like this on the ground. Yes, yes, would be better. Moje be neekal lijiye [in Hindi] If you take out socks would be even better. [Hindi talk] If there is something tight, say, on your back or, say, on your waist or something, just loosen it a little, if it is tight there, very tight. If it is not it's all right. You can take out even glasses. It's all right. Keep your eyes shut and see that there is no shaking in the eyelids or in the hands or fingers. [Hindi talk] You will find that if you watch your thoughts most of you will find there is no thought coming to you. This is called as thoughtless awareness or I call it as thoughtless enlightened awareness because samadhi means enlightened awareness. This is Nirvichar Samadhi. It is very quickly it happens. [Hindi] And then will be...just you feel in your own fingers, you see. You will feel first, maybe some of you may feel little hot breeze-like thing and then you will feel cool breeze coming within you. You feel very relaxed also with that. "Feeling it? Are you feeling in the hand? How are you feeling, Feeling in the hand cool breeze? Good. Please keep your eyes shut properly, all right, till you feel the cool breeze coming in your hand." [Hindi] All those who are getting cool breeze in the hands, all of you, raise your hands. Let Me see. It's good. It's good. Aren't you, not yet? All right, keep your eyes shut. Keep your eyes shut. It's good. Now all those who have been to a guru before and are not getting vibrations please raise your hands; those who have been to some guru. But you are getting vibrations all right, so it's all right. those who have been to any other guru before and not getting cool breeze in the hands. If you have not been to any other guru then it is all right but if you have been to some guru, somebody else, then please raise your hands. It's all right. You are all right, you'll see. Have you been to some guru? You have been. All right. You come here. I'll have to see you. Just come down. Come in front door. We'll have to see you. Who else has been to the guru? Just come forward. Those who have been to the guru please come forward, just here. Now please keep your eyes shut till you get it. Just keep your eyes shut. Only the people who have been to guru I would like to meet them here if you do not mind. Please come for one minute. Just come. Please come. Nothing to be frightened of Me. I'm your Mother. Come along. Come off. Nothing will happen. Just come on. Please. Sit down, sit down. [Hindi - Shri Mataji is inquiring about the gurus every person has been to before.] Now all those who are getting cool breeze please raise your hands again, so many of them. Now please put down your hands. Those who are not getting cool breeze please raise your hands. Three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Now I would like to go down and see them. [Hindi] Just go and see these people.

10/20/1979

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Diwali Puja: Today is the day to take an oath

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Diwali Puja. Dollis Hill ashram, London, England. 20 October 1979. ….On the 14th day, he was killed by Shadanana, Kartikeya, was the son of Parvati and Shankar who was a very powerful expression of Rudra Shakti, is that He is the killing power of God. And He was created specially for this purpose, to kill Narakasura. Then the - this one was, this rakshasa, was such a menace and he had ruined so many people’s lives. He has done such a havoc and people didn’t know how to find protection. That time, when Narakasura was killed by the Shakti in the form of Shadanana, Kartikeya, there was celebration all over. People celebrated the next night and the next night was the darkest night of the whole year, is tonight. The 15th day of the waning moon is called as amavasya [new moon]. So this is the darkest night. There are always dark nights every month once, but this is the darkest night of the whole year and just before this Narakasura was killed. And all the lights are put in the house and lots of these lamps are burnt. Of course electricity lights are different from these, as you know, that they burn badhas all the time. So, after the death of Narakasura, he had a big army of his own when he was very powerful and he had hypnotized many people, so to get rid of the residual ones altogether, they lighted all these lamps, so that all those devils who were still roaming about should all be burnt off; and you can understand in Sahaja Yoga how a lamp burns and how a badha is taken away by a lamp. But still all the lights of the house must be lighted. Will you go and light all the lights in the house. Outside and inside, there should be, everywhere there should be light. No room should be kept in darkness because they hide in the darkness. So no corner should be dark. Then you know that Rama killed Ravana on the 10th day of the rising moon – that was Dussehra – and he was burnt. And then He returned back by an aeroplane called as pushpak to Ayodhya, to His own capital, where He was crowned as king on this day. Now we have got astrologically, there are 3 and a half auspicious days where you don’t have to consult any books of astrology, which are called as panchang [Hindu calendar], to find out whether it is an auspicious time or not. For any puja, for any… good work you have to do, people consult in India the panchang, is the book to find out which date is auspicious, which is not. One of them is today, is the day you can do anything good, you decide anything good. Today is the day to take an oath, to think of something great, to visualise something big, to ask a boon, to do a big puja, is one of the greatest day. One of the - we call them muhurtas – which where you do not consult these books. And that’s why Rajyabhishek [coronation] of, I mean the crowning ceremony of Shri Rama took place on this day. So there are so many aspects for this, that after Rama had killed Ravana, another satanic force, this Diwali was celebrated. Also this was celebrated much earlier when Narakasura was killed. And this is how we express our joy and happiness, our gratitude to God that He has protected us always with His power, with His Shakti, and has destroyed all the rakshasas and all the evil forces of this world. This is the time of Thanksgiving. On this day we have to go to our elders and give thanks to them for whatever they have done for us. To all those people whom we have to give thanks today is the day when we have to ask God to bless all these people. For us also to be very jubilant and very happy, is the day, because now I feel from tomorrow Sahaja Yoga is going to take new strides. From tomorrow starts the new year. And the new year of the Shalivahana, vahana calendar - there are two calendars, one is Vikram, another is Shalivahan - of the Shalivahan. And that is the dynasty, you know that, that they were My forefathers, who started this shalivahan. Now there are two stories about Shalivahan. One says that this gentleman was breaking a branch and was standing on it, and that’s why he was called as Shalivahan. But actually it means the shawl. The shawl is called as Shali in marathi language and the one who carried the shawl of the Mother is called as the Shalivahan. And when some sahaja yogis went to India, if you remember in Rahuri, that is the place Rahuri Nandgaon, you have also seen where My ancestors lived and all that place. They gave you the shawls to wear. And I asked them, “Why did you give them shawls? So they said these are the shalivahanas. All of them are shalivahanas now. That’s why we have to give them shawls”. And they were very happy to do that. So tomorrow is the new year day. Now, why is it necessary to have a new year day in our life? Why - last year those who got realisation were very lucky people, but plodding through the path of Self-realisation one loses all the enthusiasm and idealism that one has when you get realisation. You think of doing so many things about it. When you get realisation you are so much engrossed into it, you enjoy it so much that you think that, “Now the time has come for me to do this and that and that. And I’m going to contact these people, and I’m going to give these news to this one, and I’m going to do this work, I’ll show to Mother that what She has given me, I have made it many folds. Because it was a new experience, great experience, the only experience that you have been waiting for. And that you also decide that I am going to now become the torch bearer of this great light that has come into me. And I am going to form one of the lights of this Deepavali. Deepavali, deep means these lights, avali means the row of lights. So I’m going to be one of them. And we are going to enlighten the path of the people who want to have Self-realisation. All these great ideas come to us when we touch our depth. And we feel responsible for all the rest of the humanity. But then we gradually realize that there are lots of problems with our ascent, own being, and the Kundalini goes back into it, comes up again and you realize that you have to correct yourself quite a lot. Then this correction portion starts, you start thinking about yourself more than about others. And also other things which were identified with us like our own personal problems, our own personal ideas, ambitions, professions and all the things that, with which we have been enamored so far start peeping into our minds. And we start forgetting that moment when we got our realization and all that we promised within ourselves to do. So, the new day comes to remind you, doesn’t matter whatever has happened has happened, is finished. Today a new day has come to you again for you to promise again. Again start your journey, know the sun has come, and now be refreshed, the newness brings the freshness of life - and then you again start with greater enthusiasm on the new day, with new ideas, with new promises, with new vows and with greater understanding about Sahaja Yoga. Those who have got now realization, they have to know actually what happens as you mature. You start changing your attitude. Today only, somebody asked me a question, and that’s what should happen to all of you. After sometime the attitude is changed, changed so much that you know that you are no more seeking, now you have to give. You just talk of giving and not of seeking anymore, because you have found it full. Till the pitcher is filled, the water can be poured into it, when it has come to the brim, it says no, add in (unclear) nothing. Anymore you pour in will go to others. So this attitude when develops in you, you should know that you are matured. This attitude is the only test to see that it is matured. No questions, no problems, only thought that really covers the entire space before us is how to bring others to this great heavenly atmosphere of divine love. First one has fears, then he develops protections. He is worried about giving all the time bandhans to oneself, looking after one’s own vibrations. Then he catches, he is worried, he doesn’t want to meet some people, he condemns others and he says that “you are not alright” and he shuns some people. All these things happen, gradually you become absolutely one with your satisfaction. And then the question starts: how should I love this person? How should I give my love to this person? How should I express that he also jumps into the same heavenly bliss? Then the attention becomes stable. You don’t pay attention here and there. All your attention is on this. You become thus the Gurus of Sahaja Yoga. This attainment has taken place in many of you. You had ups and downs, no doubt, but forget all that. And it’s so gratifying, so beautiful to see that in My own lifetime I’ve seen this thing happening within you, that you feel so responsible about it. You cannot force others about Sahaja Yoga. That you must know. There cannot be any coaxing about it, but only your love should convince another person. Your love should make another person feel that he should also follow the same path which leads to such beautiful life of love. Your example itself would show it. The whole priorities change. The whole atmosphere changes. And you become something very, very different. If somebody asks what happens when you enlighten the light? Then it gives the light. What happens to it? Till it was not giving the light was the problem. Now, it is enlightened for giving the light to others. But the light goes like this in the beginning. So those who have got realization should know that it will happen. First thing that will happen are doubts that you become into it. Because you belong to a society which doubts everything, especially sanity. (Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs) And you start doubting it, but doubting or thinking about it, you never got it. You got it just like that. Why did you get? You got it because somebody has loved you very much and has been gracious. Because you have had this seeking in your previous lives, when you have done lots of goods which have been rewarded. Your checks have been cashed in the bank. How are you doubting it? And that means you are doubting yourself, nobody else but yourself, because you cannot believe that you have got it. So don’t go into another trip of doubting. By doubting you will go very slow. And sometimes it reaches such a point that I start doubting also for a change (laughter, Shri Mataji laughs) about your capacity, and your calibre as to how far you are going to go in Sahaja Yoga. Because Sahaja Yoga is not the job of useless people. They have to be a very, very special type. If they are ordinary people they can never take to Sahaja Yoga. They’ll come up little bit again go down, they’ll again come up and go down. But once you come into it you are not to be goaded much really - if you start enjoying it then you will go on with it, you cannot give up. Because that is the source of all enjoyment. So today is the day of enjoyment. Let us be happy that we have killed the darkness within us and we have put our lights out for others to be enlightened, to give light to others of God’s love. May God Bless you all. Now, what would you like to do? You want to wash My feet or something? Yogi: We… If You do the puja. Shri Mataji: Alright. Yogi: If You do the Ganesha. Shri Mataji: Now, when you say mantras and all that first of all, then they’ll also take it. Now let their … now see… Malcolm has not come, isn’t it? Malcolm, did you come for any puja before? No, Malcolm has not come. Who else here? You haven’t done any puja, isn’t it? You haven’t done. I’m asking you.

Diwali Puja. Dollis Hill ashram, London, England. 20 October 1979. ….On the 14th day, he was killed by Shadanana, Kartikeya, was the son of Parvati and Shankar who was a very powerful expression of Rudra Shakti, is that He is the killing power of God. And He was created specially for this purpose, to kill Narakasura. Then the - this one was, this rakshasa, was such a menace and he had ruined so many people’s lives. He has done such a havoc and people didn’t know how to find protection. That time, when Narakasura was killed by the Shakti in the form of Shadanana, Kartikeya, there was celebration all over. People celebrated the next night and the next night was the darkest night of the whole year, is tonight. The 15th day of the waning moon is called as amavasya [new moon]. So this is the darkest night. There are always dark nights every month once, but this is the darkest night of the whole year and just before this Narakasura was killed. And all the lights are put in the house and lots of these lamps are burnt. Of course electricity lights are different from these, as you know, that they burn badhas all the time. So, after the death of Narakasura, he had a big army of his own when he was very powerful and he had hypnotized many people, so to get rid of the residual ones altogether, they lighted all these lamps, so that all those devils who were still roaming about should all be burnt off; and you can understand in Sahaja Yoga how a lamp burns and how a badha is taken away by a lamp. But still all the lights of the house must be lighted. Will you go and light all the lights in the house. Outside and inside, there should be, everywhere there should be light. No room should be kept in darkness because they hide in the darkness. So no corner should be dark. Then you know that Rama killed Ravana on the 10th day of the rising moon – that was Dussehra – and he was burnt. And then He returned back by an aeroplane called as pushpak to Ayodhya, to His own capital, where He was crowned as king on this day. Now we have got astrologically, there are 3 and a half auspicious days where you don’t have to consult any books of astrology, which are called as panchang [Hindu calendar], to find out whether it is an auspicious time or not. For any puja, for any… good work you have to do, people consult in India the panchang, is the book to find out which date is auspicious, which is not. One of them is today, is the day you can do anything good, you decide anything good. Today is the day to take an oath, to think of something great, to visualise something big, to ask a boon, to do a big puja, is one of the greatest day. One of the - we call them muhurtas – which where you do not consult these books. And that’s why Rajyabhishek [coronation] of, I mean the crowning ceremony of Shri Rama took place on this day. So there are so many aspects for this, that after Rama had killed Ravana, another satanic force, this Diwali was celebrated. Also this was celebrated much earlier when Narakasura was killed. And this is how we express our joy and happiness, our gratitude to God that He has protected us always with His power, with His Shakti, and has destroyed all the rakshasas and all the evil forces of this world. This is the time of Thanksgiving. On this day we have to go to our elders and give thanks to them for whatever they have done for us. To all those people whom we have to give thanks today is the day when we have to ask God to bless all these people. For us also to be very jubilant and very happy, is the day, because now I feel from tomorrow Sahaja Yoga is going to take new strides. From tomorrow starts the new year. And the new year of the Shalivahana, vahana calendar - there are two calendars, one is Vikram, another is Shalivahan - of the Shalivahan. And that is the dynasty, you know that, that they were My forefathers, who started this shalivahan. Now there are two stories about Shalivahan. One says that this gentleman was breaking a branch and was standing on it, and that’s why he was called as Shalivahan. But actually it means the shawl. The shawl is called as Shali in marathi language and the one who carried the shawl of the Mother is called as the Shalivahan. And when some sahaja yogis went to India, if you remember in Rahuri, that is the place Rahuri Nandgaon, you have also seen where My ancestors lived and all that place. They gave you the shawls to wear. And I asked them, “Why did you give them shawls? So they said these are the shalivahanas. All of them are shalivahanas now. That’s why we have to give them shawls”. And they were very happy to do that. So tomorrow is the new year day. Now, why is it necessary to have a new year day in our life? Why - last year those who got realisation were very lucky people, but plodding through the path of Self-realisation one loses all the enthusiasm and idealism that one has when you get realisation. You think of doing so many things about it. When you get realisation you are so much engrossed into it, you enjoy it so much that you think that, “Now the time has come for me to do this and that and that. And I’m going to contact these people, and I’m going to give these news to this one, and I’m going to do this work, I’ll show to Mother that what She has given me, I have made it many folds. Because it was a new experience, great experience, the only experience that you have been waiting for. And that you also decide that I am going to now become the torch bearer of this great light that has come into me. And I am going to form one of the lights of this Deepavali. Deepavali, deep means these lights, avali means the row of lights. So I’m going to be one of them. And we are going to enlighten the path of the people who want to have Self-realisation. All these great ideas come to us when we touch our depth. And we feel responsible for all the rest of the humanity. But then we gradually realize that there are lots of problems with our ascent, own being, and the Kundalini goes back into it, comes up again and you realize that you have to correct yourself quite a lot. Then this correction portion starts, you start thinking about yourself more than about others. And also other things which were identified with us like our own personal problems, our own personal ideas, ambitions, professions and all the things that, with which we have been enamored so far start peeping into our minds. And we start forgetting that moment when we got our realization and all that we promised within ourselves to do. So, the new day comes to remind you, doesn’t matter whatever has happened has happened, is finished. Today a new day has come to you again for you to promise again. Again start your journey, know the sun has come, and now be refreshed, the newness brings the freshness of life - and then you again start with greater enthusiasm on the new day, with new ideas, with new promises, with new vows and with greater understanding about Sahaja Yoga. Those who have got now realization, they have to know actually what happens as you mature. You start changing your attitude. Today only, somebody asked me a question, and that’s what should happen to all of you. After sometime the attitude is changed, changed so much that you know that you are no more seeking, now you have to give. You just talk of giving and not of seeking anymore, because you have found it full. Till the pitcher is filled, the water can be poured into it, when it has come to the brim, it says no, add in (unclear) nothing. Anymore you pour in will go to others. So this attitude when develops in you, you should know that you are matured. This attitude is the only test to see that it is matured. No questions, no problems, only thought that really covers the entire space before us is how to bring others to this great heavenly atmosphere of divine love. First one has fears, then he develops protections. He is worried about giving all the time bandhans to oneself, looking after one’s own vibrations. Then he catches, he is worried, he doesn’t want to meet some people, he condemns others and he says that “you are not alright” and he shuns some people. All these things happen, gradually you become absolutely one with your satisfaction. And then the question starts: how should I love this person? How should I give my love to this person? How should I express that he also jumps into the same heavenly bliss? Then the attention becomes stable. You don’t pay attention here and there. All your attention is on this. You become thus the Gurus of Sahaja Yoga. This attainment has taken place in many of you. You had ups and downs, no doubt, but forget all that. And it’s so gratifying, so beautiful to see that in My own lifetime I’ve seen this thing happening within you, that you feel so responsible about it. You cannot force others about Sahaja Yoga. That you must know. There cannot be any coaxing about it, but only your love should convince another person. Your love should make another person feel that he should also follow the same path which leads to such beautiful life of love. Your example itself would show it. The whole priorities change. The whole atmosphere changes. And you become something very, very different. If somebody asks what happens when you enlighten the light? Then it gives the light. What happens to it? Till it was not giving the light was the problem. Now, it is enlightened for giving the light to others. But the light goes like this in the beginning. So those who have got realization should know that it will happen. First thing that will happen are doubts that you become into it. Because you belong to a society which doubts everything, especially sanity. (Laughter, Shri Mataji laughs) And you start doubting it, but doubting or thinking about it, you never got it. You got it just like that. Why did you get? You got it because somebody has loved you very much and has been gracious. Because you have had this seeking in your previous lives, when you have done lots of goods which have been rewarded. Your checks have been cashed in the bank. How are you doubting it? And that means you are doubting yourself, nobody else but yourself, because you cannot believe that you have got it. So don’t go into another trip of doubting. By doubting you will go very slow. And sometimes it reaches such a point that I start doubting also for a change (laughter, Shri Mataji laughs) about your capacity, and your calibre as to how far you are going to go in Sahaja Yoga. Because Sahaja Yoga is not the job of useless people. They have to be a very, very special type. If they are ordinary people they can never take to Sahaja Yoga. They’ll come up little bit again go down, they’ll again come up and go down. But once you come into it you are not to be goaded much really - if you start enjoying it then you will go on with it, you cannot give up. Because that is the source of all enjoyment. So today is the day of enjoyment. Let us be happy that we have killed the darkness within us and we have put our lights out for others to be enlightened, to give light to others of God’s love. May God Bless you all. Now, what would you like to do? You want to wash My feet or something? Yogi: We… If You do the puja. Shri Mataji: Alright. Yogi: If You do the Ganesha. Shri Mataji: Now, when you say mantras and all that first of all, then they’ll also take it. Now let their … now see… Malcolm has not come, isn’t it? Malcolm, did you come for any puja before? No, Malcolm has not come. Who else here? You haven’t done any puja, isn’t it? You haven’t done. I’m asking you.

10/22/1979

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The Problem of Ego

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“The Problem of Ego,” Caxton Hall, London (UK) – 22 October 1979. From next time I’ll start the series because those who are not here, I mean, sort of lots of people will be coming when you will be advertising. Cooly (Tony Paniotou) did you advertise for today or for next time? He’s also not here? Not yet, so we’ll start it from next time, the series, like that. Would be better for people to follow. Those who have come for the first time should sit in front, is better. You see, I can look after you better. All right? Just put your hands like this. Today I was thinking of telling you about the ego problem, because I think everybody feels that that’s the biggest problem they all have; and there’s a big ego trip one gets into, and they don’t know what to do with it. So first part I will tell you how the ego rises and what it does to us and the second how to understand it, how to tackle the position of ego and put it in its own aspect. As you see in the map here, the yellow stuff that you see on top is the ego. The balloon that is yellow is the ego. You see down below it starts from the Swadishthana. This is the colour of the bile within us. And this Swadishthana Chakra which is for our creativity is directly connected to that ego there. And when it starts rotating round the Void and going to the various parts of the Void, it collects all the problems of the Void. [The] Void is that green circle within us where, physically, we have uterus, we have kidney – it’s a complete viscera - all the intestines, the ascending, transverse, descending colon, liver, is the upper part of liver more, then also pancreas and the spleen. So all the problems of these organs are collected by this chakra which moves. It comes out of the Nabhi Chakra and moves round and round and round, and collects all the problems. It nourishes, gives power, the vital power to these organs, and also it generates [the] necessary power for our creative action. It also collects the fat cells of the Void [and] converts them into the proper cells for the brain, for its use, for the grey matter. All this work it has to do, one chakra. It manifests aortic plexus outside. On the physical level we call it as the aortic plexus, and it has got six sub-plexuses which look after all these organs. This [chakra] is meant for our action. When we go into action, this chakra starts working. By the first power, which is on the left-hand side, we desire. But by the second one we go into action, and it’s called as kriya shakti. Now when this action starts within us, it produces the by-products or we can say all the problems of these organs, which are to be deposited somewhere, and they are all deposited in the brain as ego. All the problems that we have out of these - this creativity and the action of all these organs - are to be counterbalanced, and as a counterbalance the ego develops. For example, now I have to come and meet you all here: I had to get out of the house, I had to change, I had to drive, whatever it is, then I came, I had to put in effort. I had to plan out how I’m going to talk to you – that I don’t do normally, but I’m saying in generally people do it. And I put in the effort to come in. Now how am I to justify this? All this effort? What is the satisfaction that one gets out of doing this effort, this kriya, this action? We go on doing some action, and why should we do it? After all, action means, any activity means exertion, botheration, problems, so best is to sit at home and do nothing of the kind! But we do not do that, we take up challenges, we rush up to it. All this we do with our kriya shakti, with our Right [Side] action. Because we do action, we have to have a satisfaction about it. As a reaction to that, ego develops. If we do not have the ego we would not do anything – is a fact. But ego is the one that rationalises all our madness, the rat race we are running into. If we did not have the ego we would not go into this nonsense. The more we try to rationalise our activities, the more ego develops to satisfy: “All right, very good, very good. Now you are a successful man! See? You’re a very successful man, you have got this, you have got that.” Lots of misunderstandings creep in when we pamper our ego like this – or I should say that when we are satisfied with our ego – [such] that we really get lost. We get identified with our ego and not with ourselves. So if you do some work very well: supposing you have, say, made a beautiful poetry or, say, not piece of poetry but say you have made a very good painting, then you would like people to appreciate. If they do not appreciate you, you think you have done nothing, though you have done a beautiful canvas. But still you will be so dissatisfied with yourself unless and until people appreciate you. They must garland you, they must say, “Oh, you are great, you are really unique! You are a genius!” You know many artist who created great art, got trapped into this kind of misidentification. When they created some great art, the art could not give them satisfaction: they had to go to ego. And Mr. Ego would not be satisfied unless and until everybody says, “Yes, yes, you are very good. You have done this, you are a genius!” “You are this, you are that.” That’s how the ego develops then within us. But a situation can arise where, even when we have done nothing, we want to take the credit: then we call such a person egoistical; who says, “I will do this, I have done this, I, I, I, I” – then we call him an egoistical person. Because he gives words to his ego, that’s why we call him egoistical. But all of us have got this Mr. Ego there, sitting on our heads. Then it starts bloating and the more successful you are, the worse it is. The more you indulge into planning and thinking, the worse it is. The balloon goes on, pumped, as if you are pumping a balloon. The more you pump, the more it becomes. And you can never realise that you are not that ego. Then you start feeling very nice about it, because everybody says, “Oh, what a great man he is!” The whole society develops on those lines. Today only I was discussing about the way people give you “C.O.B.”, I don’t know, “V.I.P.” and “M.A.D.” like that. And we carry those banners with us. And we expect everybody to respect those banners which have been given to us, because we’ve done some work, somebody has recognised us, branded it, stamped it, so we believe really this must be something great! So we accept that brand and we want to keep it up. So it’s a doubly fixed thing that you are really rewarded for what work you are doing. That’s why people start becoming [a] nuisance also. Supposing in a society some people do not find any significance to their lives: then they will go to Oxford Street, stand there, wear funny dresses, start jumping and singing something nonsensical, and people make a nuisance out of themselves (Mother is referring to the “Hari Krishna” cult people on Oxford Street). We have seen people who paint their hair in different colours, put pencils in the noses (laughing) and do all kinds of mad things just to attract the attention of others; because we want to attract the attention of others, because our ego is not yet satisfied. But this ego is never satisfied. It goes on asking for more food, more food, and you enjoy it too. When such an ego is bloated within us, we cannot understand what we are doing. People can befool you like that. It’s very easy to befool a person who is ego-oriented, than to befool a simple person. A simple-hearted man cannot be easily befooled, because he’s not on a trip. But those who are on an ego trip, [if] you tell them that, “This is the best way to go to hell,” they will be the first booking their seats. There will be a queue for it! And people would be asking for it, “All right, if it is so, it’s good.” That is how many gurus in this world have come forward, have befooled you, by telling you that you will get these powers, those powers, that will happen, this will happen. And they know how to pamper your ego. For example, they might say, “This is a world organisation of spirituality, and you are the head of the world organisation,” and you believe it. Ego means misappropriation. You believe in it because you think that, “After all I must be something, and I have done this, I have done that.” But actually what happens physically is that, when this balloon spreads on your head all over: the aura of the brain surrounds the heart, normally, but when there is ego problem, then ego surrounds the heart. And when ego surrounds the heart, the brain is cut off from the heart. So you are a non-integrated person, or we can say disintegrated. Your heart runs one side, your brain runs another side, your body runs third side, your emotions run fourth side. So four people running four horses, and that’s how you are completely torn. I mean, it’s impossible to stand on two stools, but if there are four with two legs, it’s a big feat to exist. So this kind of ego trip comes in, by which you start behaving and living in this world in a very unnatural way. And if somebody says that, “No, not your ego, not that. That’s not you. You have to be yourself. Ego is not yourself. Do not be satisfied with this ego,” then you don’t like it. Because you are much higher than ego, much greater than ego, much more than what you think your ego can do. With ego at the most what can you do? At the most what can you do with your ego? What people have achieved through ego? Nothing! Whatever they have discovered even in the sciences has come from the unknown, from God’s own treasures. If God has given you some knowledge of the unknown, you should not feel pampered about it and think that, “Oh, this is what we have found.” No, He graciously gave you this knowledge which has come to you, so just take it with humility. And this ego is very, very dangerous for Kundalini awakening. Now you look at the diagram, imagine the whole of your head is covered with that yellow stuff, and this blue thing becomes a very small one. So first of all the desire to seek, itself, is diminished. You go for seeking as if you are going to a cinema hall. There is no combination of what you are thinking and your heart. You are not seeking from your heart, you are seeking just with your brains. Because you have read three, four books, there’s a fashion [that] everybody is seeking, everybody is looking as if they are seeking something, so let us also seek. It is not coming from your heart, because you can see that the activity of heart has become practically zero. You do not desire anything, it is what your ego desires [that] you run after. Anything that doesn’t satisfy your ego, you get upset about it. One must go on all the time saying that, “You are the fastest horse, you are the greatest person, you are the most unique personality,” then only you are satisfied. It cuts you out so much from your heart. That’s why we cannot find joy, because joy you can only get through your heart. But this Mr. Ego gives you some sort of a satisfaction which is very superficial, temporary, and leads you nowhere. With this ego-orientation, only, you get so many diseases, as I have told you before: like diabetes, heart attack, we can say also cancer could be one of them, arthritis you might get. You also get with this too much thinking, paralysis, paralysis is because of that, and kidney failures. The worst is liver. Because of over activity [the] liver is neglected. We are least bothered about the liver. If you tell a child, “Don’t eat chocolates” in childhood.” I mean, it’s an impossibility, you cannot talk like that. I just once said that, “Why not stop giving chocolates to children, who cannot digest it,” because their liver is not that; or make something that is digestible to their liver from childhood, till they grow up. And why not dilute the chocolates also a little bit more? So the question comes in then, that, “How can you do it, Mother? It would be chucking out everything, and children would protest without chocolates.” Gradually they’ll forget. The liver problem starts within you and you become thin, lean, pale, aggressive; all the time grumbling, grudging, sulking; never in joy, never in happiness. You call it tension, stress, all these things but it’s nothing but over activity of this chakra. Tension is because the whole of it is covered with this balloon, and the balloon is still going on and on and on. That has to reduce. Sahaj Yoga is the only way really we can face our ego, because through Sahaj Yoga only we can see ourselves. But it is an impossibility with human beings to face themselves, even after Realisation they find it difficult. For example, all our misidentifications are there. Say I’m dealing with English disciples here: before I start saying about the misidentification of the English, I must condemn all the Indians of the world, and all the Japanese, Chinese, Greeks, everybody else, and then I should say, “There’s also something wrong with English.” Otherwise I’ve had it! Unless and until at every stage I condemn all the rest of the world, I cannot talk of saying that we also have certain misidentifications which are sitting on our heads, by which we are oppressed; we think that this is the correct way of life; by which we have oppressed others. And this ego business is so much prevalent in our society. Now, with all due apologies, I am talking about the Western society. When it comes to India I talk to them, but now I’m talking to you and think that I am also a Western person. So I can see certain things as a Western personality and don’t feel bad about it. For in the so-called certain traditions that we have – today only I was discussing, you see – like at the table we have to sit for dinner: all right, simple thing it is to sit at the table for dinner. Now dinner is there because God has been gracious to us; for our well-being, for our friendship we are all going to sit down. But go to any formal dinner, or you arrange a formal dinner, people would sit down, ten times discussing where is the seat of X and the seat of Y and the seat of Z! But if there is a slightest mistake in placing the people according to their date of birth, their face colour, their head colour, their height, their noses, their length, their upper lips; any difference is there found in the “Who’s Who” book, you see, that somebody was placed little higher in M.A.D. degree – then you’ve had it! All the good wishes of entertaining people, of doing some good friendship, of having, creating something very, very great is all lost. All the effort is lost, and you are left wondering, “Now what have I done? I did consult all the dictionaries and the ‘Who’s Who.'” - I mean, this “Who’s Who” is another ego-pampering! - but despite that there was a mistake somehow, and the person has taken a very big objection that Mr. X, who is one day junior to him, has been made to sit ahead of him. It’s the greatest calamity to his ego. The poor chairs do not know what happens for their different shapes! How much we fight over all such things, pampering our ego. So on and so forth, we have so many things. But if I say, “Scrap all this nonsense! Why don’t you scrap it? Why to have all this, protocols, this, that? What is the need to have this seat for this gentleman, that seat?” After all, if there are ten people for dinner they can find their seats, there won’t be a chaos for ten people. Even for twenty people, even for three hundred. Why should there be seat allotted? If you have invited three hundred people they’ll all sit down. If they are remaining they’ll sit down for the second one or for the third one. What is such a hurry of having that programme altogether, or in such a systematic way that everybody feels unsystematic after that, everybody feels disturbed and upset after the programme is over? With all the system, with all the corrections and with all the great planning we do, ultimately we find all have become nitwits! There must be something wrong about it. And it becomes a frenzy, with a mob-like behaviour people have. Everybody will come out with very big faces, “Oh, what a mismanagement, you know, they did this!” What was it? One can’t even understand what the value of these things are. That’s why we have to be like small children. To them it does not matter where they sit. And so we are grown-up and matured, supposed to be mature people also; while children are still innocent and still ignorant, and still they have to grow up. We are supposed to be up-grown: what has grown within us is nothing but this Mr. Ego, not you. When this happens, when this happens in the worst possible way – you know, today’s paper I was reading about this [Yorkshire] Ripper. Now the conclusion is reached that he’s not a psychopath, but he is on an ego trip. He’s doing all this for his ego satisfaction, because he telephones to the police, he sends a, what you call a tape to the police that he should be caught. He tells them, “You’ll meet me here,” and still they cannot catch him. So he thinks, oh, he’s such a great person that nobody can catch him, the greatest thief ever born who could not be caught! So he’s not a psychopath, but I don’t know what name will you give to such a man? I mean to an egoist like this, the one who lives by ego, tries to satisfy his ego, and if his ego is not satisfied by something, he doesn’t feel satisfied. I don’t know, what should you call him? Now, how to overcome this ego? Because people start seeing gradually this: it happens. They start seeing Mr. Ego, “Oh, very great, it is coming up, giving me ideas, all right.” You feel sometimes very depressed with the idea that this is Mr. Ego I was identified with. All right? You see your ego. Then when you see your ego, then what do you do with it? Or if somebody says “Better watch your ego,” then what happens? You start fighting it. You say, “No, I will not say anything. I’ll just keep quiet. Let them say anything, whatever they like.” Then you become another type: you become a person who is suffering from superego. So you are left with desires, but do not act, and you would say that, “Let others aggress me. I am not going to aggress anyone. I’ll be very careful about non-aggression.” But by this kind of a thing, what happens [is] that when you raise the left side – I mean, left side which goes up on the right-hand side, superego, it presses the ego down but again is bounced back, and there’s a kind of a bouncing going on. By this behaviour when you fight your ego, the ego sits on your head much more. The more you try to fight ego, it sits on your head. You are not to fight it. Supposing you take a balloon and start hitting it, it will hit you back further. Go on hitting it: it will go on hitting. Now, which is the way to deflate this ego? How do we deflate a balloon? In the same manner, take a pin and give it a prick. You just look at yourself, say, “All right, Mr. So-and-so, now how do you do?” and you laugh at yourself. You say, “Oh, you were very unhappy, you see, when you saw that you were not placed very much. All right, now have a pin from me!” And that’s how you deflate it. By seeing it, by all the time making fun of it yourself, and piercing a pin into it. Not by deflating, in the way people say that you deflate the whole thing by pushing it down or by killing it, but actually just making a hole in it. In the same way, if you start looking at yourself, and make fun. Human beings only know very well how to make fun of themselves; no animals know that. If you learn how to make fun of yourself, your ego will go down. Otherwise this ego will suggest whatever you are doing is the best, “This has to be done, that has to be done. I am the best, I am doing everything good.” And you might be torturing someone, aggressing someone, you might be just playing into the hands of ego like a madcap. And you might be a real madcap, but you don’t know that you are. Because with ego a person becomes successful, so-called, he becomes very brilliant, shines out, in competition he comes up; and nobody dare say a word to him, otherwise he’ll have a punch on the nose! So also he becomes very mighty and powerful, and everybody hankers after such a behaviour and such a thing. But a time comes when he realises that, “I was hanging in the air. I forgot my basis, and now I have to come down!” Like Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, and they had a great fall. Such a beautiful rhyme, this thing is, written long time back. And all the king’s horses and all the men could not put Humpty Dumpty back again into its own shape! So don’t be Humpty Dumpties! And don’t live with that idea of being a Humpty Dumpty. It’s a simple thing to fight your ego. And that happens very often in Sahaj Yog. It’s a very common happening in Sahaj Yoga where your Kundalini itself creates such situations that you are flabbergasted at your ego. You don’t have to judge others, just see yourself. Because it is for your own good. If somebody is egoistical it makes no difference to you; or non-egoistical, makes no difference. Only thing is, you should really see for yourself what is good and what is bad and that’s how it works out. Otherwise, I always say that when I give a lecture immediately we start thinking of somebody whom we think to be egoistical. Actually I’m saying to each one of you to see it: would be a better idea. Now this ego when it covers your entire head, the complete Sahasrara which is shown there, the white area, gets covered. Your brahmarandhra, the portion from where the Kundalini has to pierce also gets covered. It’s very difficult. The whole thing is covered and this is small here, the gap is here. Now you cannot open the gap here. You have to open the gap here. So this has to go back like that, and this has to come up in the centre like that; then only Kundalini can come up. So what happens at such stage, you will find such people have a left hand very weak, and right hand throbbing. So you raise their left, put to the right side. Again raise their left, put to the right. Again raise their left, put to the right. So you bring down the ego like this. And once the ego comes down, then this comes up and the gap comes in between, and then you raise the Kundalini in the centre. Kundalini will come out, and then you tie it up. This is Shri Vidya. This is the knowledge of Shri, of the Holy Spirit. All other knowledge of where you have to sit in protocol, what you are, is all avidya and nonsense. Reading “Who’s Who” I don’t know what you will become, monsters or maybe some sort of a Frankenstein-style personality. This is the vidya, Shri Vidya is the secret vidya of the Holy Ghost, by which you balance your ego with superego, your desire and action should be equal; and then raise the Kundalini, put it up and tie it up. All these days people who been realised-souls, great people, have tried to point out the problems of ego, have talked to you. They said, “You shouldn’t have ego; ego is the worst thing, one should not be identified with ego,” and all that. And as soon as they have said it people have started just finding out how to do it! And in doing so they have become great “gurus” – themselves egoistical. The fact is, you do not do anything. This is not ego, but is a mirage of ego that you have got. You really do not do anything. Everything is done by God. He is the Doer, He has the Great Ego. Your ego is just a copy, made artificially. Like He creates the flowers, and you make plastic flowers and say, “Oh, we have created flowers!” He does everything. It is He who expresses His ego, while you feel you have done something. It happens to you when you get Realisation, when your Kundalini pierces the brahmarandhra, then you find the power flowing through you. And when you put your hands at somebody you find the Kundalini rising there, and then you find that you can feel the centres of that person and catching of his centres, and you are amazed. You say, “Mother, how is it? Just now was nothing, suddenly what has happened to me?” Because your ego has subsided and has become one with that of God, and you are giving vent to that power of God. You are playing the role of an instrument, of a hollow personality, and through you is passing the power of God, which is doing the real work. While you are thinking “I am doing it,” without getting Realisation. But after Realisation you just feel, “Oh, it’s flowing through me. I can see it flowing, I can see it working,” “It is…” You start talking in third person, you don’t say “I.” You just say, “It’s going, it’s coming, it’s not there. This is catching, that is catching.” It is in the third person you talk. You do not say “I am catching.” You do not say also that “I have risen the Kundalini,” you say “The Kundalini has risen.” Who has risen it? You never say that you have raised the Kundalini. You just say, “The Kundalini has risen. It is not coming up. It’s just going there,” as if you have become an instrument of some power which is flowing through you. And this is how we become one with that, and all our karmas dissolve into akarma. Karmas are only the effect of our false idea of our ego. When there is no ego, where are the karmas going to be? If there is no one who is doing the doer is lost, then who’s going to do the karmas, and who’s going to take the load of the karmas upon themselves? Like when there is an organisation, then it says, “I have got assets and I have got these debts, and these are the things.” But [if] the association or that organisation disappears, then who has the debts? In the same way, you as ego disappear, and there is no effect of your karmas – all finished. All that was when one Mr. Ego was there. When Mr. Ego has gone, all liabilities have gone with him. We are something different now. Now we have become the Self, the Atma. And when we have become the Atma, then we are one with that Universal Being, and He is making us do everything. Like my fingers don’t have ego that, “I am doing something and I am touching the thumb,” because it is a part of this body. Our nose does not have an ego that it is something special which is breathing. We say “I breathe,” we don’t say, “this nose breathes.” Neither the nose would say, “This mouth with which we eat food,” it never says that this, “I eat because of my mouth.” When you become one with that whole, then you just feel that the whole is working and we, as part, are working with it, and all the responsibilities are finished. This is a little talk about ego today, because I felt I should tell you that in Kundalini awakening so far in the West, we have always faced this problem of ego. Also of superego; those who have been to the gurus have been possessed by their gurus; and these come as a relief to ego-oriented societies. Because a horse has been running, all right, and you have been running on the horse; so somebody comes and says, “All right, now, I’ll tie you up to the stomach of the horse and I’ll be sitting on the horse myself.” This is the possession part. So you feel relieved, quite relieved: after all, you don’t have to ride the horse, you don’t have to jump. And the rider becomes somebody else, you feel also that there’s no responsibility, the rider is doing it. But after some time under the belly of the horse, you start having all kinds of physical problems. With superego you have physical problems. That’s why it’s better to have superego than to have ego, because you know you don’t want to have any more of physical problems. But if you have ego you never get physical problems, or physically you may improve; you know, you feel very fine, on top of the world. That is the biggest problem. But you get mental problems: you can’t sleep, you go on thinking, thinking like mad and you cannot stop thinking. You go on arguing that it should be done. You think that everybody should do your work, while you are the most important person ever born. So we have only one choice left: is to be in the centre, to watch your ego and superego. For all the Sahaj yogis who are realised have to watch themselves, not others. You should not expect anything of others, just expect something of yourself for a change. With ego you do that: expect something of the others. In superego you do for others. But in Self-realisation you emit your Self as joy, love and beauty. May God bless you all! Now, should we go in for vibrations and Realisation? Now for the new people I would request if they can take out their socks it would be even better, they’ll be freer. Put both the feet on the ground, and sit in a most relaxed manner. Now as you must have understood, it is a happening. You cannot force it down, you cannot work it out. It has to happen to you. So no effort is to be put in, nothing. You just leave it, it works. Put your hands just like this, in a very relaxed manner. Even for Sahaj yogis it is very important that they should go on exposing themselves more and more to Divine Power. And then when the Kundalini pierces the fontanel, you’ll immediately start feeling the cool vibrations in the hand. But it happens in many various stages in many people. For example, some people may not even get the rising of the Kundalini at all – some people, very few. With some people it rises halfway, again falls down. With some people it gets caught up in different chakras, centres, which are not all right. With some people there may be a physical problem, so you might feel some heat coming out. Especially with liver you get the heat coming out, lot of heat is there with the liver. And with some people it could be very cold. Both things are not all right: you have to be in the centre. If you start feeling any cool in the hand, then it’s perfectly all right. But if there is, say, a hot coming in the hand, doesn’t matter, you can just throw it away and it will work out, in case it is hot. But if there is trembling in your eyelids when you close your eyes, then please open your eyes. The Kundalini moves up in everybody, it works in everyone; only thing, it has reactions according to the person who is facing it. So if there is any reaction, or if the Kundalini doesn’t rise, there’s nothing to feel bad or argue about it. By argument if I could do, I would take you to courts and argue there things. But by argument I cannot do it. It has to happen in you. I am anxious that it should happen, in the same way you should be also anxious that it should happen to you. There cannot be argument about it– it’s a happening. How can you argue about the sprouting of a seed? If it does not, you cannot argue with it: it has to sprout. It’s as simple as that. If it is not sprouting there’s something wrong. Then those people who are realised who know this, those who know Shri Vidya know how to raise it, and raise your Kundalini, tie it up and all that. But even [to] that, people have objection. They don’t mind becoming naked and dancing and doing all sorts of nonsense, but if somebody raises the Kundalini and ties it up, they don’t like it. There is nothing to be afraid of Kundalini. Somebody told me the other day that English people are very afraid of ‘Kundalini’ word. Now some English people who went to India came by the back door, I believe and met all kinds of horrid people who had no right to talk of Kundalini, who were unholy people, unrighteous people: naturally they had very bad experiences about Kundalini. As I say that [if] some villager comes and puts his fingers into the, into the holes of two plugs and says that, “electricity is a horrible experience!” In the same way it might have happened to many. But there’s nothing to be frightened of. It works out very well, and it gives you what you are asking for. She is your Mother, eternally your Mother. She loves you the most than anybody can love and She’s not going to give you any trouble. She’s just waiting for you to have your second birth. So there’s nothing to be frightened of anyone. And also about gurus, you shouldn’t quarrel with me. If your guru is all right, I will myself write a nice letter to him. But if he is not all right, he has ruined your Kundalini, he’s ruined your Agnya, he’s ruined your chakras, then I have to tell you that something wrong with the fellow, because you do not know. Supposing there’s a policeman, he comes to your house and he says there has been a thief in your house. Do you get angry with the policeman? In the same way you should not be angry with me, because if your guru is a real guru, sat guru, then I would really worship that man, I’ll be really happy. But I have yet to come across – they are very few, very, very few. So what’s the use of being identified with your guru? He never gave you your powers, he was just showing off his own powers, and was promising you that today you’ll become a frog, tomorrow you’ll become a bird and third day you’ll become a fish, and then amoeba, I think. You’ll end up as an amoeba, I believe! (Comment from a yogini in Marathi) Otherwise they – she’s saying, another thing they can tell you: if they don’t give you anything, they’ve taken away all your money and everything, that you must, you see, you must detach yourself from your money, your family, “Send your wife over to me, I’ll look after your wife, you be detached, you see. Give me all your money, everything very nicely.” Still she’s saying that. Then also you say that “Still, sir, I have given you everything, still I haven’t got it.” So they’ll say, “Now you go to Himalayas. Otherwise that’s the reason, you’d better go to Himalayas. Give me your palatial building, I’ll live here very nicely. Give all the money that you have, and you go to the Himalayas. And you’ll be an unmarried man, that’s a better, you’d better divorce your wife. You see, she’s the one who is standing in your way.” And he sends you to Himalayas to freeze there and to die. (Another comment from the yogini in Marathi) She says, “Where is the pure person?” She says, “Among ten thousand, you are the only one.” Even if they are not pure, they should not be sinister. You are much greater people than they are, because you are not realised, you do not propagate anything, you do not preach anything. These are not realised, nothing, they have no authority. They have nicely have their flags on and they are collecting money. Fundraisers! All right, put your hands towards me again. Take out your sock, socks. No, alright, it’s all right. Put both the feet like this, put your hands like that. What’s it? You want some water? Close your eyes please, close your eyes. Now, the first thing that happens is if you watch your thoughts, there is no thought in your mind. That means it has crossed the Agnya. Sahaj yogis must go in a chain. All of you hold each other’s hands, all of you each other’s hands you hold. Not you. The people who are realised already. You just hold each other’s hands, that’s all. Put your hands like that, yes. Close your eyes please, all of you. Please close your eyes. Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? No. Yes, close your eyes, it will work out. It has to work out, is the point. It will work out, you just don’t worry. Some of the Sahaj yogis are getting more on the right, I think and less on the left hand. Should put their left hand towards me, right hand up, in case such a situation is there. Feeling something? Lady: Hot. Shri Mataji: Hot. It’s all right. Make it straight. Not to tilt it higher or lower but make it straight. Straight neck. Make it straight. Not to tilt it backwards, just make it straightforward. Just like a normal sitting. Those who have come for the first time, those who are getting cool breeze raise your hands, if you are getting cool breeze in the hand. Good. Both the hands? Very good. Please put down your hands. Left, left, not right so much. Seeker: I’m getting in my left. There’s a problem in my right hand. Shri Mataji: Right hand is a problem, what’s the problem? Seeker: I keep getting constant spasms in my right hand. Just can’t control it. Shri Mataji: Right hand is it? Alright, where is your father? Seeker: In India. Shri Mataji: You write to him quote often? Seeker: Not really. Shri Mataji: No? Now you promise me that you’ll go and write to him a letter. Alright? Just promise. Put your left hand on here, ye. And now you promise, put your right hand towards me. What are these rings you are wearing? Better take them out, is a better thing, to take them out for the time being; and also your kala take it out for a while; just for five minutes. You are getting something cool in the hand? Nothing so far? This gentleman here, are you getting any cool? Seeker: It’s a bit warm in the right. Shri Mataji: There only, not in the fingers? It will work out, it will work out. What is he catching? Just see. Tell me. Yogi: Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi. You are smoking something? Vishuddhi is very catching. Now can you take out? No, it’s alright, forget it. Forget it now, let’s see. Seeker: I have taken one off. Shri Mataji: Alright, it’s alright. Accha kala nikal dijiye (Hindi: Ok, remove the kala). Seeker: It’s very tight. Shri Mataji: Accha? (Really?) Better cut it out. Alright, put your hands towards me. Put your hand, left hand, here. Since when are you getting this spasm? Seeker: For a long time. Shri Mataji: Since you have come to this country? Seeker: Not really. I used to have difficulty in writing, but it has become over the years very generalised. I just can’t relax this hand at all. It’s in constant spasm. Shri Mataji: Alright, just push it like that. Still Vishuddhi is there, is it? Just come here Marcus, come. Just work out his Vishuddhi. This is Agnya and this and that. Now, have you been to any guru or someone? Just push it this, here. No? Seeker: When I went to India I visited lots of yogis and panditjis (priests) and.. Shri Mataji: For this? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: But not to any guru as such? Seeker: No, not any guru as such. Shri Mataji: She’s great, I tell you, she was teaching me and She was telling me that Nabhis are catching on both the sides. What about her, just tell me what are the chakras catching? Ah? You’ve been to some guru? No one. Have you been smoking? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: You too smoking. Are you alright? Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? Are you relaxed? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Keep your eyes shut. It’s the greatest thing that can happen to anyone, just keep your eyes shut. What about you? In both the hands you are now getting? Both the hands? Nicely. Good. What’s your name? What’s your name please? Seeker: Nick. Shri Mataji: Nick. What country you belong to? Cyprus. Cyprus are good people I must say! Very good! And this lady comes from what country? Seeker: England. Shri Mataji: Great. From which part? Seeker: Essex. Shri Mataji: Very good. You have not gone to any guru or anyone I believe. Never? That’s good. So what do you do? You are a housewife? Seeker: No a student. Shri Mataji: Student of? Seeker: Psychology. Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Still I must say you have maintained yourself very well. Otherwise when the psychologists come here I have such a problem with them. They are themselves suffering from psychology! (To a child) Yes, come here, come, come, come to me. Let him feel the chakras which is catching. Are you better now? Not yet. Vishuddhi… Are you alright? Getting it? Good. What’s it? Left? Did you go to any guru? No one. Smoking you also? Seeker: Not much. Shri Mataji: Not much. Put your hands there and one hand outside, just see. One hand outside like this. Good. Better. Vishuddhi is terrible, both. Are you better now? Started? Got it? Better now? Improving? Yes. It will work out. It will work out. What have you been smoking? Something wrong? Seeker: Hashish. Shri Mataji: Hashish? You can feel the vibrations coming out. Agnya, Heart. Now? Nabhi, left. Now how is it? How is your brother now Mark [Rossi]? Mark Rossi: He’s still the same as far as I know. Shri Mataji: He is out of intensive now? Then it’s alright. Better. How do you find the gentleman sitting before you? Just see, yes, and the lady there. They’re alright. You live in London? Seeker: No, Essex. I still live in Essex Shri Mataji: You have come all the way from Essex today? Seeker: No, the college is in Stratford (London) Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. In this London university? Seeker: North East London Polytechnic. Shri Mataji: Oh I see, I see. Now, is better now? This gentleman, are you better? Seeker: I don’t feel. Shri Mataji: Anything whatsoever? Nothing? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Warm still? Alright, let it pass out. What about him? Much better now? Alright, good. Just see him, let’s try. Still left, left Vishuddhi. Left, here is left. You are the one who has really helped me the most of all, I tell you! You bring your friends also with you. What about her? Yogi: Also the left. Right heart also. Shri Mataji: He feels right heart, let’s help him. Yogi: Also the Left Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Go and ask him to ask the question about Shri Rama. Are there new people? Have they got Realisation? Yogi: it’s very warm Mother Shri Mataji: Warm? Put the left to the right, you’ll be all right. These two are realised-souls, aren’t they? So they must, they must come and see here. Come and see for yourself, come along, one or two, come along. Come along, come along. Put yourself into bandhan. Now come along, make effort, yesterday you asked me, nah? Come along, make some efforts now. With this gentleman specially. Alright, try on her. She too had hashish so better try on somebody else, now. Don, you don’t do on that. What about you? Come along. Don, allow these people to work on her. Come along, you, come along there. Be careful Don. Now, work on her, those people who have not had hashish. Marcus had hashish! Yogi: Yes. She smoked cigarettes too Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh I see, so did you smoke cigarettes? Ah, you too? Cigarettes and hashish. What else? That’s all? Seeker: Since when? Shri Mataji, No, you have been smoking cigarettes and hashish. Seeker: Today also. Shri Mataji: Today also you smoked? Both are today also? Before just coming before here? Seeker: No. Not just before coming here. I smoke cigarettes constantly. Shri Mataji: Constantly? Alright, you put him left to the right all of you, come along. You’ll be alright. Once you’ll find your Self you won’t smoke, at all. You’ll enjoy your Self very much. They all go up to this place. Yogi: Her father died two weeks ago. Shri Mataji: She has to tell the father that he shouldn’t worry about her. Did you ask the question? Did you ask the question? Now are you better? Not feeling much in the hands. Seeker: No. A lot of warmth but not so much in the hands. Shri Mataji: Alright. Still? Alright, just come, alright? Come. Sit down, sit down, sit down. Good. Better now? Now, rub my foot. Now let’s see. Seeker: Here? Shri Mataji: Yes, rub it. Rub it hard. Really hard. Rub it hard. Hard, with your fingers. Hard. Better? Seeker: I don’t know by what comparison. Shri Mataji: You too. Press with both the hands. Press with both the hands. Void is catching, Void, Void catches with this. Void, the Left Void. Hah! Are you relaxing now? Seeker: Yes. I was feeling very suspicious before. Shri Mataji: You are suspicious of? Seeker: And frightened. Shri Mataji: Suspicious and? Seeker: And frightened. Shri Mataji: Frightened of whom? Seeker: You. Shri Mataji: Me? Why? I am not as bad as hashish is! Why are you frightened of me? Seeker: I had another guru Who is he? Seeker: Maharaji Shri Mataji: Who’s Maharaji this… you were not suspicious of him? Seeker: I’m suspicious of everybody. Shri Mataji: That’s correct. It’s good, it’s very good. Seeker: It’s good to be suspicious of everybody? Shri Mataji: No. You must know who is the right and who is the wrong type. If you are sensitive you will know yourself. What do you expect? Is to get your own powers, isn’t it? To become your Self, that’s what should help you – not all other tricks of giving experiences and this and that. You have to become your Self. Isn’t it? Like all others are. Now, there’s nothing to be suspicious about me because I have not taken any money from you, nothing. Seeker: No. I don’t want to be suspicious. Shri Mataji: Nothing selling here. See? Alright? Now, you are asking for something great, something Self-realisation I am talking about, not experiences. It’s Self-realisation. You know? Now rub it on the Void, here. Rustom, just see. Better now is she? Rustom: It went into the Left-Agnya. Shri Mataji: Agnya? She’s never been to a guru she says. Rustom: Very heavy like a line across her Left Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: You did some pranayama also? Pranayama? Breathing? Seeker: Breathing? Yes. (Speaking to a child) Just see, just see! Is he alright? Is he alright? Really? Where is the problem? Come, come, tell me. Rustom: Sahasrara catches he says. He says, “I am doubting.” Suspicious. Rustom: Sahasrara, heart. Shri Mataji: Heart also? Hold your breath. Seeker: Should I keep rubbing [your feet] Mother? Shri Mataji: Again hold your breath, hold your breath. Rustom: The Sushumna as a whole it doesn’t flow. Whole? How long were you his disciple? Seeker: Four, five years. Shri Mataji: And what did you get out of him? What did you get? Nothing. Seeker: I never mistrusted him. Self-doubt. Doubt more than anything. I still don’t completely mistrust him. Shri Mataji: You do not mistrust him. Seeker: No, because I don’t know if he has done any harm and I don’t know if he does any harm. I don’t know. Shri Mataji: He hasn’t said anything about hashish and cigarettes and why you smoke? Seeker: Yes, he said I shouldn’t, it’s since when I was first his devotee I didn’t smoke. Shri Mataji: Now you started smoking after becoming his devotee. So this is the achievement! See, if you have found your Self then you don’t smoke anymore and you enjoy your Self so much, that you just don’t run away from your Self [that’s the] minimum of minimum, that should happen to you. Rustom: Mooladhara. And his Kundalini doesn’t move. At least I can’t feel any movement. Sorry. Shri Mataji: Doesn’t move? You see. This Raktabija’s problem (end of audio)

“The Problem of Ego,” Caxton Hall, London (UK) – 22 October 1979. From next time I’ll start the series because those who are not here, I mean, sort of lots of people will be coming when you will be advertising. Cooly (Tony Paniotou) did you advertise for today or for next time? He’s also not here? Not yet, so we’ll start it from next time, the series, like that. Would be better for people to follow. Those who have come for the first time should sit in front, is better. You see, I can look after you better. All right? Just put your hands like this. Today I was thinking of telling you about the ego problem, because I think everybody feels that that’s the biggest problem they all have; and there’s a big ego trip one gets into, and they don’t know what to do with it. So first part I will tell you how the ego rises and what it does to us and the second how to understand it, how to tackle the position of ego and put it in its own aspect. As you see in the map here, the yellow stuff that you see on top is the ego. The balloon that is yellow is the ego. You see down below it starts from the Swadishthana. This is the colour of the bile within us. And this Swadishthana Chakra which is for our creativity is directly connected to that ego there. And when it starts rotating round the Void and going to the various parts of the Void, it collects all the problems of the Void. [The] Void is that green circle within us where, physically, we have uterus, we have kidney – it’s a complete viscera - all the intestines, the ascending, transverse, descending colon, liver, is the upper part of liver more, then also pancreas and the spleen. So all the problems of these organs are collected by this chakra which moves. It comes out of the Nabhi Chakra and moves round and round and round, and collects all the problems. It nourishes, gives power, the vital power to these organs, and also it generates [the] necessary power for our creative action. It also collects the fat cells of the Void [and] converts them into the proper cells for the brain, for its use, for the grey matter. All this work it has to do, one chakra. It manifests aortic plexus outside. On the physical level we call it as the aortic plexus, and it has got six sub-plexuses which look after all these organs. This [chakra] is meant for our action. When we go into action, this chakra starts working. By the first power, which is on the left-hand side, we desire. But by the second one we go into action, and it’s called as kriya shakti. Now when this action starts within us, it produces the by-products or we can say all the problems of these organs, which are to be deposited somewhere, and they are all deposited in the brain as ego. All the problems that we have out of these - this creativity and the action of all these organs - are to be counterbalanced, and as a counterbalance the ego develops. For example, now I have to come and meet you all here: I had to get out of the house, I had to change, I had to drive, whatever it is, then I came, I had to put in effort. I had to plan out how I’m going to talk to you – that I don’t do normally, but I’m saying in generally people do it. And I put in the effort to come in. Now how am I to justify this? All this effort? What is the satisfaction that one gets out of doing this effort, this kriya, this action? We go on doing some action, and why should we do it? After all, action means, any activity means exertion, botheration, problems, so best is to sit at home and do nothing of the kind! But we do not do that, we take up challenges, we rush up to it. All this we do with our kriya shakti, with our Right [Side] action. Because we do action, we have to have a satisfaction about it. As a reaction to that, ego develops. If we do not have the ego we would not do anything – is a fact. But ego is the one that rationalises all our madness, the rat race we are running into. If we did not have the ego we would not go into this nonsense. The more we try to rationalise our activities, the more ego develops to satisfy: “All right, very good, very good. Now you are a successful man! See? You’re a very successful man, you have got this, you have got that.” Lots of misunderstandings creep in when we pamper our ego like this – or I should say that when we are satisfied with our ego – [such] that we really get lost. We get identified with our ego and not with ourselves. So if you do some work very well: supposing you have, say, made a beautiful poetry or, say, not piece of poetry but say you have made a very good painting, then you would like people to appreciate. If they do not appreciate you, you think you have done nothing, though you have done a beautiful canvas. But still you will be so dissatisfied with yourself unless and until people appreciate you. They must garland you, they must say, “Oh, you are great, you are really unique! You are a genius!” You know many artist who created great art, got trapped into this kind of misidentification. When they created some great art, the art could not give them satisfaction: they had to go to ego. And Mr. Ego would not be satisfied unless and until everybody says, “Yes, yes, you are very good. You have done this, you are a genius!” “You are this, you are that.” That’s how the ego develops then within us. But a situation can arise where, even when we have done nothing, we want to take the credit: then we call such a person egoistical; who says, “I will do this, I have done this, I, I, I, I” – then we call him an egoistical person. Because he gives words to his ego, that’s why we call him egoistical. But all of us have got this Mr. Ego there, sitting on our heads. Then it starts bloating and the more successful you are, the worse it is. The more you indulge into planning and thinking, the worse it is. The balloon goes on, pumped, as if you are pumping a balloon. The more you pump, the more it becomes. And you can never realise that you are not that ego. Then you start feeling very nice about it, because everybody says, “Oh, what a great man he is!” The whole society develops on those lines. Today only I was discussing about the way people give you “C.O.B.”, I don’t know, “V.I.P.” and “M.A.D.” like that. And we carry those banners with us. And we expect everybody to respect those banners which have been given to us, because we’ve done some work, somebody has recognised us, branded it, stamped it, so we believe really this must be something great! So we accept that brand and we want to keep it up. So it’s a doubly fixed thing that you are really rewarded for what work you are doing. That’s why people start becoming [a] nuisance also. Supposing in a society some people do not find any significance to their lives: then they will go to Oxford Street, stand there, wear funny dresses, start jumping and singing something nonsensical, and people make a nuisance out of themselves (Mother is referring to the “Hari Krishna” cult people on Oxford Street). We have seen people who paint their hair in different colours, put pencils in the noses (laughing) and do all kinds of mad things just to attract the attention of others; because we want to attract the attention of others, because our ego is not yet satisfied. But this ego is never satisfied. It goes on asking for more food, more food, and you enjoy it too. When such an ego is bloated within us, we cannot understand what we are doing. People can befool you like that. It’s very easy to befool a person who is ego-oriented, than to befool a simple person. A simple-hearted man cannot be easily befooled, because he’s not on a trip. But those who are on an ego trip, [if] you tell them that, “This is the best way to go to hell,” they will be the first booking their seats. There will be a queue for it! And people would be asking for it, “All right, if it is so, it’s good.” That is how many gurus in this world have come forward, have befooled you, by telling you that you will get these powers, those powers, that will happen, this will happen. And they know how to pamper your ego. For example, they might say, “This is a world organisation of spirituality, and you are the head of the world organisation,” and you believe it. Ego means misappropriation. You believe in it because you think that, “After all I must be something, and I have done this, I have done that.” But actually what happens physically is that, when this balloon spreads on your head all over: the aura of the brain surrounds the heart, normally, but when there is ego problem, then ego surrounds the heart. And when ego surrounds the heart, the brain is cut off from the heart. So you are a non-integrated person, or we can say disintegrated. Your heart runs one side, your brain runs another side, your body runs third side, your emotions run fourth side. So four people running four horses, and that’s how you are completely torn. I mean, it’s impossible to stand on two stools, but if there are four with two legs, it’s a big feat to exist. So this kind of ego trip comes in, by which you start behaving and living in this world in a very unnatural way. And if somebody says that, “No, not your ego, not that. That’s not you. You have to be yourself. Ego is not yourself. Do not be satisfied with this ego,” then you don’t like it. Because you are much higher than ego, much greater than ego, much more than what you think your ego can do. With ego at the most what can you do? At the most what can you do with your ego? What people have achieved through ego? Nothing! Whatever they have discovered even in the sciences has come from the unknown, from God’s own treasures. If God has given you some knowledge of the unknown, you should not feel pampered about it and think that, “Oh, this is what we have found.” No, He graciously gave you this knowledge which has come to you, so just take it with humility. And this ego is very, very dangerous for Kundalini awakening. Now you look at the diagram, imagine the whole of your head is covered with that yellow stuff, and this blue thing becomes a very small one. So first of all the desire to seek, itself, is diminished. You go for seeking as if you are going to a cinema hall. There is no combination of what you are thinking and your heart. You are not seeking from your heart, you are seeking just with your brains. Because you have read three, four books, there’s a fashion [that] everybody is seeking, everybody is looking as if they are seeking something, so let us also seek. It is not coming from your heart, because you can see that the activity of heart has become practically zero. You do not desire anything, it is what your ego desires [that] you run after. Anything that doesn’t satisfy your ego, you get upset about it. One must go on all the time saying that, “You are the fastest horse, you are the greatest person, you are the most unique personality,” then only you are satisfied. It cuts you out so much from your heart. That’s why we cannot find joy, because joy you can only get through your heart. But this Mr. Ego gives you some sort of a satisfaction which is very superficial, temporary, and leads you nowhere. With this ego-orientation, only, you get so many diseases, as I have told you before: like diabetes, heart attack, we can say also cancer could be one of them, arthritis you might get. You also get with this too much thinking, paralysis, paralysis is because of that, and kidney failures. The worst is liver. Because of over activity [the] liver is neglected. We are least bothered about the liver. If you tell a child, “Don’t eat chocolates” in childhood.” I mean, it’s an impossibility, you cannot talk like that. I just once said that, “Why not stop giving chocolates to children, who cannot digest it,” because their liver is not that; or make something that is digestible to their liver from childhood, till they grow up. And why not dilute the chocolates also a little bit more? So the question comes in then, that, “How can you do it, Mother? It would be chucking out everything, and children would protest without chocolates.” Gradually they’ll forget. The liver problem starts within you and you become thin, lean, pale, aggressive; all the time grumbling, grudging, sulking; never in joy, never in happiness. You call it tension, stress, all these things but it’s nothing but over activity of this chakra. Tension is because the whole of it is covered with this balloon, and the balloon is still going on and on and on. That has to reduce. Sahaj Yoga is the only way really we can face our ego, because through Sahaj Yoga only we can see ourselves. But it is an impossibility with human beings to face themselves, even after Realisation they find it difficult. For example, all our misidentifications are there. Say I’m dealing with English disciples here: before I start saying about the misidentification of the English, I must condemn all the Indians of the world, and all the Japanese, Chinese, Greeks, everybody else, and then I should say, “There’s also something wrong with English.” Otherwise I’ve had it! Unless and until at every stage I condemn all the rest of the world, I cannot talk of saying that we also have certain misidentifications which are sitting on our heads, by which we are oppressed; we think that this is the correct way of life; by which we have oppressed others. And this ego business is so much prevalent in our society. Now, with all due apologies, I am talking about the Western society. When it comes to India I talk to them, but now I’m talking to you and think that I am also a Western person. So I can see certain things as a Western personality and don’t feel bad about it. For in the so-called certain traditions that we have – today only I was discussing, you see – like at the table we have to sit for dinner: all right, simple thing it is to sit at the table for dinner. Now dinner is there because God has been gracious to us; for our well-being, for our friendship we are all going to sit down. But go to any formal dinner, or you arrange a formal dinner, people would sit down, ten times discussing where is the seat of X and the seat of Y and the seat of Z! But if there is a slightest mistake in placing the people according to their date of birth, their face colour, their head colour, their height, their noses, their length, their upper lips; any difference is there found in the “Who’s Who” book, you see, that somebody was placed little higher in M.A.D. degree – then you’ve had it! All the good wishes of entertaining people, of doing some good friendship, of having, creating something very, very great is all lost. All the effort is lost, and you are left wondering, “Now what have I done? I did consult all the dictionaries and the ‘Who’s Who.'” - I mean, this “Who’s Who” is another ego-pampering! - but despite that there was a mistake somehow, and the person has taken a very big objection that Mr. X, who is one day junior to him, has been made to sit ahead of him. It’s the greatest calamity to his ego. The poor chairs do not know what happens for their different shapes! How much we fight over all such things, pampering our ego. So on and so forth, we have so many things. But if I say, “Scrap all this nonsense! Why don’t you scrap it? Why to have all this, protocols, this, that? What is the need to have this seat for this gentleman, that seat?” After all, if there are ten people for dinner they can find their seats, there won’t be a chaos for ten people. Even for twenty people, even for three hundred. Why should there be seat allotted? If you have invited three hundred people they’ll all sit down. If they are remaining they’ll sit down for the second one or for the third one. What is such a hurry of having that programme altogether, or in such a systematic way that everybody feels unsystematic after that, everybody feels disturbed and upset after the programme is over? With all the system, with all the corrections and with all the great planning we do, ultimately we find all have become nitwits! There must be something wrong about it. And it becomes a frenzy, with a mob-like behaviour people have. Everybody will come out with very big faces, “Oh, what a mismanagement, you know, they did this!” What was it? One can’t even understand what the value of these things are. That’s why we have to be like small children. To them it does not matter where they sit. And so we are grown-up and matured, supposed to be mature people also; while children are still innocent and still ignorant, and still they have to grow up. We are supposed to be up-grown: what has grown within us is nothing but this Mr. Ego, not you. When this happens, when this happens in the worst possible way – you know, today’s paper I was reading about this [Yorkshire] Ripper. Now the conclusion is reached that he’s not a psychopath, but he is on an ego trip. He’s doing all this for his ego satisfaction, because he telephones to the police, he sends a, what you call a tape to the police that he should be caught. He tells them, “You’ll meet me here,” and still they cannot catch him. So he thinks, oh, he’s such a great person that nobody can catch him, the greatest thief ever born who could not be caught! So he’s not a psychopath, but I don’t know what name will you give to such a man? I mean to an egoist like this, the one who lives by ego, tries to satisfy his ego, and if his ego is not satisfied by something, he doesn’t feel satisfied. I don’t know, what should you call him? Now, how to overcome this ego? Because people start seeing gradually this: it happens. They start seeing Mr. Ego, “Oh, very great, it is coming up, giving me ideas, all right.” You feel sometimes very depressed with the idea that this is Mr. Ego I was identified with. All right? You see your ego. Then when you see your ego, then what do you do with it? Or if somebody says “Better watch your ego,” then what happens? You start fighting it. You say, “No, I will not say anything. I’ll just keep quiet. Let them say anything, whatever they like.” Then you become another type: you become a person who is suffering from superego. So you are left with desires, but do not act, and you would say that, “Let others aggress me. I am not going to aggress anyone. I’ll be very careful about non-aggression.” But by this kind of a thing, what happens [is] that when you raise the left side – I mean, left side which goes up on the right-hand side, superego, it presses the ego down but again is bounced back, and there’s a kind of a bouncing going on. By this behaviour when you fight your ego, the ego sits on your head much more. The more you try to fight ego, it sits on your head. You are not to fight it. Supposing you take a balloon and start hitting it, it will hit you back further. Go on hitting it: it will go on hitting. Now, which is the way to deflate this ego? How do we deflate a balloon? In the same manner, take a pin and give it a prick. You just look at yourself, say, “All right, Mr. So-and-so, now how do you do?” and you laugh at yourself. You say, “Oh, you were very unhappy, you see, when you saw that you were not placed very much. All right, now have a pin from me!” And that’s how you deflate it. By seeing it, by all the time making fun of it yourself, and piercing a pin into it. Not by deflating, in the way people say that you deflate the whole thing by pushing it down or by killing it, but actually just making a hole in it. In the same way, if you start looking at yourself, and make fun. Human beings only know very well how to make fun of themselves; no animals know that. If you learn how to make fun of yourself, your ego will go down. Otherwise this ego will suggest whatever you are doing is the best, “This has to be done, that has to be done. I am the best, I am doing everything good.” And you might be torturing someone, aggressing someone, you might be just playing into the hands of ego like a madcap. And you might be a real madcap, but you don’t know that you are. Because with ego a person becomes successful, so-called, he becomes very brilliant, shines out, in competition he comes up; and nobody dare say a word to him, otherwise he’ll have a punch on the nose! So also he becomes very mighty and powerful, and everybody hankers after such a behaviour and such a thing. But a time comes when he realises that, “I was hanging in the air. I forgot my basis, and now I have to come down!” Like Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, and they had a great fall. Such a beautiful rhyme, this thing is, written long time back. And all the king’s horses and all the men could not put Humpty Dumpty back again into its own shape! So don’t be Humpty Dumpties! And don’t live with that idea of being a Humpty Dumpty. It’s a simple thing to fight your ego. And that happens very often in Sahaj Yog. It’s a very common happening in Sahaj Yoga where your Kundalini itself creates such situations that you are flabbergasted at your ego. You don’t have to judge others, just see yourself. Because it is for your own good. If somebody is egoistical it makes no difference to you; or non-egoistical, makes no difference. Only thing is, you should really see for yourself what is good and what is bad and that’s how it works out. Otherwise, I always say that when I give a lecture immediately we start thinking of somebody whom we think to be egoistical. Actually I’m saying to each one of you to see it: would be a better idea. Now this ego when it covers your entire head, the complete Sahasrara which is shown there, the white area, gets covered. Your brahmarandhra, the portion from where the Kundalini has to pierce also gets covered. It’s very difficult. The whole thing is covered and this is small here, the gap is here. Now you cannot open the gap here. You have to open the gap here. So this has to go back like that, and this has to come up in the centre like that; then only Kundalini can come up. So what happens at such stage, you will find such people have a left hand very weak, and right hand throbbing. So you raise their left, put to the right side. Again raise their left, put to the right. Again raise their left, put to the right. So you bring down the ego like this. And once the ego comes down, then this comes up and the gap comes in between, and then you raise the Kundalini in the centre. Kundalini will come out, and then you tie it up. This is Shri Vidya. This is the knowledge of Shri, of the Holy Spirit. All other knowledge of where you have to sit in protocol, what you are, is all avidya and nonsense. Reading “Who’s Who” I don’t know what you will become, monsters or maybe some sort of a Frankenstein-style personality. This is the vidya, Shri Vidya is the secret vidya of the Holy Ghost, by which you balance your ego with superego, your desire and action should be equal; and then raise the Kundalini, put it up and tie it up. All these days people who been realised-souls, great people, have tried to point out the problems of ego, have talked to you. They said, “You shouldn’t have ego; ego is the worst thing, one should not be identified with ego,” and all that. And as soon as they have said it people have started just finding out how to do it! And in doing so they have become great “gurus” – themselves egoistical. The fact is, you do not do anything. This is not ego, but is a mirage of ego that you have got. You really do not do anything. Everything is done by God. He is the Doer, He has the Great Ego. Your ego is just a copy, made artificially. Like He creates the flowers, and you make plastic flowers and say, “Oh, we have created flowers!” He does everything. It is He who expresses His ego, while you feel you have done something. It happens to you when you get Realisation, when your Kundalini pierces the brahmarandhra, then you find the power flowing through you. And when you put your hands at somebody you find the Kundalini rising there, and then you find that you can feel the centres of that person and catching of his centres, and you are amazed. You say, “Mother, how is it? Just now was nothing, suddenly what has happened to me?” Because your ego has subsided and has become one with that of God, and you are giving vent to that power of God. You are playing the role of an instrument, of a hollow personality, and through you is passing the power of God, which is doing the real work. While you are thinking “I am doing it,” without getting Realisation. But after Realisation you just feel, “Oh, it’s flowing through me. I can see it flowing, I can see it working,” “It is…” You start talking in third person, you don’t say “I.” You just say, “It’s going, it’s coming, it’s not there. This is catching, that is catching.” It is in the third person you talk. You do not say “I am catching.” You do not say also that “I have risen the Kundalini,” you say “The Kundalini has risen.” Who has risen it? You never say that you have raised the Kundalini. You just say, “The Kundalini has risen. It is not coming up. It’s just going there,” as if you have become an instrument of some power which is flowing through you. And this is how we become one with that, and all our karmas dissolve into akarma. Karmas are only the effect of our false idea of our ego. When there is no ego, where are the karmas going to be? If there is no one who is doing the doer is lost, then who’s going to do the karmas, and who’s going to take the load of the karmas upon themselves? Like when there is an organisation, then it says, “I have got assets and I have got these debts, and these are the things.” But [if] the association or that organisation disappears, then who has the debts? In the same way, you as ego disappear, and there is no effect of your karmas – all finished. All that was when one Mr. Ego was there. When Mr. Ego has gone, all liabilities have gone with him. We are something different now. Now we have become the Self, the Atma. And when we have become the Atma, then we are one with that Universal Being, and He is making us do everything. Like my fingers don’t have ego that, “I am doing something and I am touching the thumb,” because it is a part of this body. Our nose does not have an ego that it is something special which is breathing. We say “I breathe,” we don’t say, “this nose breathes.” Neither the nose would say, “This mouth with which we eat food,” it never says that this, “I eat because of my mouth.” When you become one with that whole, then you just feel that the whole is working and we, as part, are working with it, and all the responsibilities are finished. This is a little talk about ego today, because I felt I should tell you that in Kundalini awakening so far in the West, we have always faced this problem of ego. Also of superego; those who have been to the gurus have been possessed by their gurus; and these come as a relief to ego-oriented societies. Because a horse has been running, all right, and you have been running on the horse; so somebody comes and says, “All right, now, I’ll tie you up to the stomach of the horse and I’ll be sitting on the horse myself.” This is the possession part. So you feel relieved, quite relieved: after all, you don’t have to ride the horse, you don’t have to jump. And the rider becomes somebody else, you feel also that there’s no responsibility, the rider is doing it. But after some time under the belly of the horse, you start having all kinds of physical problems. With superego you have physical problems. That’s why it’s better to have superego than to have ego, because you know you don’t want to have any more of physical problems. But if you have ego you never get physical problems, or physically you may improve; you know, you feel very fine, on top of the world. That is the biggest problem. But you get mental problems: you can’t sleep, you go on thinking, thinking like mad and you cannot stop thinking. You go on arguing that it should be done. You think that everybody should do your work, while you are the most important person ever born. So we have only one choice left: is to be in the centre, to watch your ego and superego. For all the Sahaj yogis who are realised have to watch themselves, not others. You should not expect anything of others, just expect something of yourself for a change. With ego you do that: expect something of the others. In superego you do for others. But in Self-realisation you emit your Self as joy, love and beauty. May God bless you all! Now, should we go in for vibrations and Realisation? Now for the new people I would request if they can take out their socks it would be even better, they’ll be freer. Put both the feet on the ground, and sit in a most relaxed manner. Now as you must have understood, it is a happening. You cannot force it down, you cannot work it out. It has to happen to you. So no effort is to be put in, nothing. You just leave it, it works. Put your hands just like this, in a very relaxed manner. Even for Sahaj yogis it is very important that they should go on exposing themselves more and more to Divine Power. And then when the Kundalini pierces the fontanel, you’ll immediately start feeling the cool vibrations in the hand. But it happens in many various stages in many people. For example, some people may not even get the rising of the Kundalini at all – some people, very few. With some people it rises halfway, again falls down. With some people it gets caught up in different chakras, centres, which are not all right. With some people there may be a physical problem, so you might feel some heat coming out. Especially with liver you get the heat coming out, lot of heat is there with the liver. And with some people it could be very cold. Both things are not all right: you have to be in the centre. If you start feeling any cool in the hand, then it’s perfectly all right. But if there is, say, a hot coming in the hand, doesn’t matter, you can just throw it away and it will work out, in case it is hot. But if there is trembling in your eyelids when you close your eyes, then please open your eyes. The Kundalini moves up in everybody, it works in everyone; only thing, it has reactions according to the person who is facing it. So if there is any reaction, or if the Kundalini doesn’t rise, there’s nothing to feel bad or argue about it. By argument if I could do, I would take you to courts and argue there things. But by argument I cannot do it. It has to happen in you. I am anxious that it should happen, in the same way you should be also anxious that it should happen to you. There cannot be argument about it– it’s a happening. How can you argue about the sprouting of a seed? If it does not, you cannot argue with it: it has to sprout. It’s as simple as that. If it is not sprouting there’s something wrong. Then those people who are realised who know this, those who know Shri Vidya know how to raise it, and raise your Kundalini, tie it up and all that. But even [to] that, people have objection. They don’t mind becoming naked and dancing and doing all sorts of nonsense, but if somebody raises the Kundalini and ties it up, they don’t like it. There is nothing to be afraid of Kundalini. Somebody told me the other day that English people are very afraid of ‘Kundalini’ word. Now some English people who went to India came by the back door, I believe and met all kinds of horrid people who had no right to talk of Kundalini, who were unholy people, unrighteous people: naturally they had very bad experiences about Kundalini. As I say that [if] some villager comes and puts his fingers into the, into the holes of two plugs and says that, “electricity is a horrible experience!” In the same way it might have happened to many. But there’s nothing to be frightened of. It works out very well, and it gives you what you are asking for. She is your Mother, eternally your Mother. She loves you the most than anybody can love and She’s not going to give you any trouble. She’s just waiting for you to have your second birth. So there’s nothing to be frightened of anyone. And also about gurus, you shouldn’t quarrel with me. If your guru is all right, I will myself write a nice letter to him. But if he is not all right, he has ruined your Kundalini, he’s ruined your Agnya, he’s ruined your chakras, then I have to tell you that something wrong with the fellow, because you do not know. Supposing there’s a policeman, he comes to your house and he says there has been a thief in your house. Do you get angry with the policeman? In the same way you should not be angry with me, because if your guru is a real guru, sat guru, then I would really worship that man, I’ll be really happy. But I have yet to come across – they are very few, very, very few. So what’s the use of being identified with your guru? He never gave you your powers, he was just showing off his own powers, and was promising you that today you’ll become a frog, tomorrow you’ll become a bird and third day you’ll become a fish, and then amoeba, I think. You’ll end up as an amoeba, I believe! (Comment from a yogini in Marathi) Otherwise they – she’s saying, another thing they can tell you: if they don’t give you anything, they’ve taken away all your money and everything, that you must, you see, you must detach yourself from your money, your family, “Send your wife over to me, I’ll look after your wife, you be detached, you see. Give me all your money, everything very nicely.” Still she’s saying that. Then also you say that “Still, sir, I have given you everything, still I haven’t got it.” So they’ll say, “Now you go to Himalayas. Otherwise that’s the reason, you’d better go to Himalayas. Give me your palatial building, I’ll live here very nicely. Give all the money that you have, and you go to the Himalayas. And you’ll be an unmarried man, that’s a better, you’d better divorce your wife. You see, she’s the one who is standing in your way.” And he sends you to Himalayas to freeze there and to die. (Another comment from the yogini in Marathi) She says, “Where is the pure person?” She says, “Among ten thousand, you are the only one.” Even if they are not pure, they should not be sinister. You are much greater people than they are, because you are not realised, you do not propagate anything, you do not preach anything. These are not realised, nothing, they have no authority. They have nicely have their flags on and they are collecting money. Fundraisers! All right, put your hands towards me again. Take out your sock, socks. No, alright, it’s all right. Put both the feet like this, put your hands like that. What’s it? You want some water? Close your eyes please, close your eyes. Now, the first thing that happens is if you watch your thoughts, there is no thought in your mind. That means it has crossed the Agnya. Sahaj yogis must go in a chain. All of you hold each other’s hands, all of you each other’s hands you hold. Not you. The people who are realised already. You just hold each other’s hands, that’s all. Put your hands like that, yes. Close your eyes please, all of you. Please close your eyes. Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? No. Yes, close your eyes, it will work out. It has to work out, is the point. It will work out, you just don’t worry. Some of the Sahaj yogis are getting more on the right, I think and less on the left hand. Should put their left hand towards me, right hand up, in case such a situation is there. Feeling something? Lady: Hot. Shri Mataji: Hot. It’s all right. Make it straight. Not to tilt it higher or lower but make it straight. Straight neck. Make it straight. Not to tilt it backwards, just make it straightforward. Just like a normal sitting. Those who have come for the first time, those who are getting cool breeze raise your hands, if you are getting cool breeze in the hand. Good. Both the hands? Very good. Please put down your hands. Left, left, not right so much. Seeker: I’m getting in my left. There’s a problem in my right hand. Shri Mataji: Right hand is a problem, what’s the problem? Seeker: I keep getting constant spasms in my right hand. Just can’t control it. Shri Mataji: Right hand is it? Alright, where is your father? Seeker: In India. Shri Mataji: You write to him quote often? Seeker: Not really. Shri Mataji: No? Now you promise me that you’ll go and write to him a letter. Alright? Just promise. Put your left hand on here, ye. And now you promise, put your right hand towards me. What are these rings you are wearing? Better take them out, is a better thing, to take them out for the time being; and also your kala take it out for a while; just for five minutes. You are getting something cool in the hand? Nothing so far? This gentleman here, are you getting any cool? Seeker: It’s a bit warm in the right. Shri Mataji: There only, not in the fingers? It will work out, it will work out. What is he catching? Just see. Tell me. Yogi: Vishuddhi. Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi. You are smoking something? Vishuddhi is very catching. Now can you take out? No, it’s alright, forget it. Forget it now, let’s see. Seeker: I have taken one off. Shri Mataji: Alright, it’s alright. Accha kala nikal dijiye (Hindi: Ok, remove the kala). Seeker: It’s very tight. Shri Mataji: Accha? (Really?) Better cut it out. Alright, put your hands towards me. Put your hand, left hand, here. Since when are you getting this spasm? Seeker: For a long time. Shri Mataji: Since you have come to this country? Seeker: Not really. I used to have difficulty in writing, but it has become over the years very generalised. I just can’t relax this hand at all. It’s in constant spasm. Shri Mataji: Alright, just push it like that. Still Vishuddhi is there, is it? Just come here Marcus, come. Just work out his Vishuddhi. This is Agnya and this and that. Now, have you been to any guru or someone? Just push it this, here. No? Seeker: When I went to India I visited lots of yogis and panditjis (priests) and.. Shri Mataji: For this? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: But not to any guru as such? Seeker: No, not any guru as such. Shri Mataji: She’s great, I tell you, she was teaching me and She was telling me that Nabhis are catching on both the sides. What about her, just tell me what are the chakras catching? Ah? You’ve been to some guru? No one. Have you been smoking? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: You too smoking. Are you alright? Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? Are you relaxed? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Keep your eyes shut. It’s the greatest thing that can happen to anyone, just keep your eyes shut. What about you? In both the hands you are now getting? Both the hands? Nicely. Good. What’s your name? What’s your name please? Seeker: Nick. Shri Mataji: Nick. What country you belong to? Cyprus. Cyprus are good people I must say! Very good! And this lady comes from what country? Seeker: England. Shri Mataji: Great. From which part? Seeker: Essex. Shri Mataji: Very good. You have not gone to any guru or anyone I believe. Never? That’s good. So what do you do? You are a housewife? Seeker: No a student. Shri Mataji: Student of? Seeker: Psychology. Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Still I must say you have maintained yourself very well. Otherwise when the psychologists come here I have such a problem with them. They are themselves suffering from psychology! (To a child) Yes, come here, come, come, come to me. Let him feel the chakras which is catching. Are you better now? Not yet. Vishuddhi… Are you alright? Getting it? Good. What’s it? Left? Did you go to any guru? No one. Smoking you also? Seeker: Not much. Shri Mataji: Not much. Put your hands there and one hand outside, just see. One hand outside like this. Good. Better. Vishuddhi is terrible, both. Are you better now? Started? Got it? Better now? Improving? Yes. It will work out. It will work out. What have you been smoking? Something wrong? Seeker: Hashish. Shri Mataji: Hashish? You can feel the vibrations coming out. Agnya, Heart. Now? Nabhi, left. Now how is it? How is your brother now Mark [Rossi]? Mark Rossi: He’s still the same as far as I know. Shri Mataji: He is out of intensive now? Then it’s alright. Better. How do you find the gentleman sitting before you? Just see, yes, and the lady there. They’re alright. You live in London? Seeker: No, Essex. I still live in Essex Shri Mataji: You have come all the way from Essex today? Seeker: No, the college is in Stratford (London) Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. In this London university? Seeker: North East London Polytechnic. Shri Mataji: Oh I see, I see. Now, is better now? This gentleman, are you better? Seeker: I don’t feel. Shri Mataji: Anything whatsoever? Nothing? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Warm still? Alright, let it pass out. What about him? Much better now? Alright, good. Just see him, let’s try. Still left, left Vishuddhi. Left, here is left. You are the one who has really helped me the most of all, I tell you! You bring your friends also with you. What about her? Yogi: Also the left. Right heart also. Shri Mataji: He feels right heart, let’s help him. Yogi: Also the Left Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: Go and ask him to ask the question about Shri Rama. Are there new people? Have they got Realisation? Yogi: it’s very warm Mother Shri Mataji: Warm? Put the left to the right, you’ll be all right. These two are realised-souls, aren’t they? So they must, they must come and see here. Come and see for yourself, come along, one or two, come along. Come along, come along. Put yourself into bandhan. Now come along, make effort, yesterday you asked me, nah? Come along, make some efforts now. With this gentleman specially. Alright, try on her. She too had hashish so better try on somebody else, now. Don, you don’t do on that. What about you? Come along. Don, allow these people to work on her. Come along, you, come along there. Be careful Don. Now, work on her, those people who have not had hashish. Marcus had hashish! Yogi: Yes. She smoked cigarettes too Mother. Shri Mataji: Oh I see, so did you smoke cigarettes? Ah, you too? Cigarettes and hashish. What else? That’s all? Seeker: Since when? Shri Mataji, No, you have been smoking cigarettes and hashish. Seeker: Today also. Shri Mataji: Today also you smoked? Both are today also? Before just coming before here? Seeker: No. Not just before coming here. I smoke cigarettes constantly. Shri Mataji: Constantly? Alright, you put him left to the right all of you, come along. You’ll be alright. Once you’ll find your Self you won’t smoke, at all. You’ll enjoy your Self very much. They all go up to this place. Yogi: Her father died two weeks ago. Shri Mataji: She has to tell the father that he shouldn’t worry about her. Did you ask the question? Did you ask the question? Now are you better? Not feeling much in the hands. Seeker: No. A lot of warmth but not so much in the hands. Shri Mataji: Alright. Still? Alright, just come, alright? Come. Sit down, sit down, sit down. Good. Better now? Now, rub my foot. Now let’s see. Seeker: Here? Shri Mataji: Yes, rub it. Rub it hard. Really hard. Rub it hard. Hard, with your fingers. Hard. Better? Seeker: I don’t know by what comparison. Shri Mataji: You too. Press with both the hands. Press with both the hands. Void is catching, Void, Void catches with this. Void, the Left Void. Hah! Are you relaxing now? Seeker: Yes. I was feeling very suspicious before. Shri Mataji: You are suspicious of? Seeker: And frightened. Shri Mataji: Suspicious and? Seeker: And frightened. Shri Mataji: Frightened of whom? Seeker: You. Shri Mataji: Me? Why? I am not as bad as hashish is! Why are you frightened of me? Seeker: I had another guru Who is he? Seeker: Maharaji Shri Mataji: Who’s Maharaji this… you were not suspicious of him? Seeker: I’m suspicious of everybody. Shri Mataji: That’s correct. It’s good, it’s very good. Seeker: It’s good to be suspicious of everybody? Shri Mataji: No. You must know who is the right and who is the wrong type. If you are sensitive you will know yourself. What do you expect? Is to get your own powers, isn’t it? To become your Self, that’s what should help you – not all other tricks of giving experiences and this and that. You have to become your Self. Isn’t it? Like all others are. Now, there’s nothing to be suspicious about me because I have not taken any money from you, nothing. Seeker: No. I don’t want to be suspicious. Shri Mataji: Nothing selling here. See? Alright? Now, you are asking for something great, something Self-realisation I am talking about, not experiences. It’s Self-realisation. You know? Now rub it on the Void, here. Rustom, just see. Better now is she? Rustom: It went into the Left-Agnya. Shri Mataji: Agnya? She’s never been to a guru she says. Rustom: Very heavy like a line across her Left Swadishthan. Shri Mataji: You did some pranayama also? Pranayama? Breathing? Seeker: Breathing? Yes. (Speaking to a child) Just see, just see! Is he alright? Is he alright? Really? Where is the problem? Come, come, tell me. Rustom: Sahasrara catches he says. He says, “I am doubting.” Suspicious. Rustom: Sahasrara, heart. Shri Mataji: Heart also? Hold your breath. Seeker: Should I keep rubbing [your feet] Mother? Shri Mataji: Again hold your breath, hold your breath. Rustom: The Sushumna as a whole it doesn’t flow. Whole? How long were you his disciple? Seeker: Four, five years. Shri Mataji: And what did you get out of him? What did you get? Nothing. Seeker: I never mistrusted him. Self-doubt. Doubt more than anything. I still don’t completely mistrust him. Shri Mataji: You do not mistrust him. Seeker: No, because I don’t know if he has done any harm and I don’t know if he does any harm. I don’t know. Shri Mataji: He hasn’t said anything about hashish and cigarettes and why you smoke? Seeker: Yes, he said I shouldn’t, it’s since when I was first his devotee I didn’t smoke. Shri Mataji: Now you started smoking after becoming his devotee. So this is the achievement! See, if you have found your Self then you don’t smoke anymore and you enjoy your Self so much, that you just don’t run away from your Self [that’s the] minimum of minimum, that should happen to you. Rustom: Mooladhara. And his Kundalini doesn’t move. At least I can’t feel any movement. Sorry. Shri Mataji: Doesn’t move? You see. This Raktabija’s problem (end of audio)

10/28/1979

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Knowledge of the Divine

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“Knowledge of the Divine,” Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 28 October 1979. Every time I face the new people, I have to give an introductory talk and Sahaj Yogis get sometimes impatient about it. But we have to understand that this is the knowledge of the Divine and those who have not known about it are to be told. And those who have known should know that there are many things they have not known, which they have to know. Still there is a lot to be known. Supposing I tell you all about it and you do not get your Realisation, you do not get your yoga, you do not get your connection with the Divine then it is useless. Talk will remain talk. You may verify it; you may find it the same written in many scriptures. Many saints have told you the same thing [but] it has no use. The knowledge, gyana, is useless without yoga, without the union with the Divine. When you get the yoga, also, when you are realised, you get your Realisation, and I do not give you the knowledge, then your Realisation is also useless. I have seen in this great country many realised-souls are born. They live as realised-souls, they don’t know what are they; they act as spiritualists, they call themselves, whatever people call them. But they are not aware that they are realised-souls! They commit mistakes, they go onto wrong paths, get confused about their Realisation. So, it is necessary also to know what have they got, what does it mean, how to use it, how to go ahead with it and how to develop. Many people who have been here in this hall have got Realisation. Once they get Realisation, they feel so satisfied about it that they just don’t come next time. And sometimes, after a year or two years they appear saying that, “Mother, we are again lost.” So, to get Realisation is the most important thing, absolutely important because if you do not start your car, you do not move. You [may] go on describing everything that, “Now here we are on Leicester Square. Now we are here!” But you are not there, you’re just talking. The car has to move first, has to start and when the car has started then you must also know the roads, how to go. Then the car starts and bumps into something, then you feel that, “What has happened? Our car has started!” So, these are two things: one is the yoga – is the Realisation, through awakening of your Kundalini and the other is the gyana (knowledge), which is the part which gives you complete knowledge and mastery over your powers. For example, you go to a house and the lady gives you the keys, “All right this is your house. You use it as you like it.” Say, I come to England and somebody gives me the keys. I don’t know how to use a washing machine! And I don’t know how to use the oven! Though she has given me the keys, I have entered into it, I should know how to use it. I should know also what are the don’ts and what are the dos. Before entering into the house, what’s the use of knowing, also? Of course, it may help you, if you have a little knowledge about it. But you cannot practise anything because you have not entered inside it. The machinery is not before you, you are not facing it. So, in Sahaj Yoga one has to first get into [the] Self-realised state and then should know thoroughly how to use that state, or how to be in that state, how to manifest it, improve it and stabilise it. For this you cannot go into courses – that is for definite. “Should we do fourteen courses outside?” Has nothing to do with Sahaj Yoga. You have to get the keys. Secondly, you cannot pay any money for it, you cannot purchase it. It is very difficult for human beings to understand this part: that you cannot pay for it. That is one place where you cannot pay and purchase. It is not that you are going to judge the Sahaj Yoga, but Sahaj Yoga is going to judge you. It’s just the other way around. It is not that you are going to purchase Sahaj Yoga, but Sahaj Yoga has to purchase you and has to accept you. It is very easy to do any other nonsense: just you pay the money and you are there enrolled, permanently. You become the member of any group, very easy. And you can club together and be satisfied, “Oh, we are this and that!” You can brand yourself as anything but not as Sahaj Yogis, unless and until you have got it. It is that essential, that authentic, that intrinsic, that innate, that you have to be that. You can be an Englishman if you get a British passport. You can be a director anywhere if you can qualify for that. But you cannot be a Sahaj Yogi by doing anything that you have been doing to achieve for worldly things or worldly positions, worldly possessions. We see so many such phenomena in our life that we cannot see or cannot manoeuvre, cannot do such as a flower manifest into a fruit. As we cannot germinate a seed, we cannot do this living thing, which has to be done by Divine power and not by human power. Once you get it, the Divine power starts flowing through you, then you can also charge the dynamo. There is no false certificate that can be given. You may be having a son who is not realised: you may stand on your head or do whatever you please, you just cannot certify unless and until he has got it. It is such a strange thing, so unique. But do you know: this is what you are seeking. The rest of the things can be sought. This is the thing which can only be requested for, to be prayed for, to be asked for. You cannot demand it. Only the grace of God can work it out. Today I happened to read Bible, part of it, and I was amazed how John has revealed so many things about chakras and this; but of course, in a very mystic language. He calls chakras as the plug/plaque in his dream he saw, and the deities as the angels. He has also described the Realisation. It is so wonderful to read it. But only after Realisation you’ll understand, because it’s a very, very deep writing and you cannot read much from it – mystical sounding, vague words. Now, we are here to seek ourselves. Everybody is floating an enterprise like that, everybody is saying, “Oh, we are here to help you to seek yourself.” I may be one of them, too. Why should you believe me, in any case? The first thought that will come into your mind is, “Why should we believe Mataji?” If you believe in me blindly, it is not going to help me at all. Neither it is going to help me, if you are going to deny. Like a scientist just keep your eyes open, keep your mind open, because this is what you are seeking, not just in this lifetime. You have been seeking for ages and unless and until you get it you are not going to be satisfied, you are not going to find your fulfilment. This has to happen to you. I don’t know how far Gavin has been able to explain to you what to expect out of Sahaja Yoga. But it is the actualisation of this experience I’m talking about, which has to work out. Here you see they have drawn a human being, as he exists, with his Divine instrument within himself. These are the patterns of the energies which are undercurrent of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system is managed by two channels within us. One, on the left hand side that you see with the blue line, is the power to desire: is called as ichcha shakti. And the other one, on the right hand side, with the yellow line, is the power to act, which is called as the kriya shakti. The first one is called as the ichcha shakti. First one has to desire and then he acts. And these two powers exist within us as left and right sympathetic nervous system, which doctors can see outside the spinal cord, but this is inside the spinal cord and inside the cranial bones, inside the brain as you can see there. These all can be related to the gross nervous system that doctors can see. But they are subtle energies within us. The one which runs on the left hand side is connected with the seventh chakras down below; or you can call it the first chakra. This gives us desire to live and also desire to die. All desires give us emotions, it gives us existence and when we deny our existence, then it gives us death. The other one is the power of action for which we use our physical being and our mental being. So, this represents our physical and mental being. The central one is called as the path of knowledge: gyana shakti. But the knowledge we know of is very different from the knowledge I am talking about. I mean the subjective knowledge that we have achieved as human beings through our evolution. For example, a human being is much higher in his awareness than the animal. His awareness is the thing that he has achieved through his evolution, which is built in him, which acts subjectively. For example, supposing you take a rose flower: you know it is a rose flower and you enjoy it. But for an animal, it makes no difference whether it is filth or a garden, it can pass through it most unawares. So, your gyana shakti means your awareness or your knowledge – knowledge that is awareness, human awareness – is developed to a point and still has to develop more, has to manifest more. It has to have another dimension. Because of a certain gap in between – you can see the central line; this green gap gives you the Void – gives you an awareness which is not yet complete. The completion of human awareness can only be achieved if he reaches the absolute point. Supposing you have not reached the absolute point then whatever you are talking is relative. Relative to relative creates confusion. So, the idea of righteousness, idea of holiness, idea of sin, everything is relative. You have to reach that absolute point by which you judge whether it is holiness or not, whether it is sinful or not. That we have to reach. That absolute point is within us, placed in our heart, which is called as the Spirit and is the reflection of God Almighty. In Sanskrit language it is called as Atma. That Spirit resides within us, it watches all our activities, it knows everything about us and it informs the lowest chakra there, which records everything that we do – all our conditionings, all our ego-trips – to that three and a half-coiled energy, which we call as Kundalini. ‘Kundalini’ means coils. This is the Kundalini, as called as the Serpent power. Now, horrible things have been said and written about Kundalini. When I read, I mean when I even heard about it, I was really shocked about the naive description of it! I’ve always said that it is like a villager going in the city and putting both the hands into the plug and saying that, “Electricity I know, don’t tell me about it! You see what happens, it gives you a shock and you just fall back and you break your neck.” Those who do not know about Kundalini have written about Kundalini because this is the only area where nobody can control you. You can write anything about God, against God, or do whatever you please, who can check you? There is no law which forbids. You can write about Kundalini whatever you feel like. She is your Mother. She has been born with you several times. She is the one who is going to give you Realisation. And do you think your Kundalini is going to harm you by any chance? Is going to torture you? Is going to trouble you? And if you have to achieve the highest through the Divine love of God, is it going to be torturesome? Did you get this nose and these eyes and mouth and everything that you have as a human being out of some tortures? You never even felt how it has happened! How gentle it is, how kind it is! It is your Mother who is sitting there waiting for a moment to rise. Now the whole thing sounds very poetic to a scientific mind. But poetry is also a part of human beings. If it sounds poetic. It is the poetic work, of the Kundalini. God is not only science; he is also love, beauty. He is not only dry truth; He is also joy. He is joy. He’s joy, because he is truth, He’s truth because He’s beauty. So, when the Kundalini rises within you through these six centres that are shown here, it pierces this area, which is called as the fontanel bone and gives you Self-realisation. This is called as baptism. You cannot go to a theological college and become a Baptist. Nobody can brand you a Baptist. You have to be realised. This fontanel bone area has to be pierced through by the Kundalini, then only you become one with the All-pervading Power, with that subtle power. It has to happen; this germination has to take place within you. You are still at a seed stage and just by branding a seed you do not become a tree. So, it has to happen within us, and has to happen beautifully, and spontaneously, because it is a living process of evolution. We have evolved into human beings from amoeba: nobody has done anything about it. And we are not going to do anything about becoming that for which we are made. Somebody who has created this machinery is going to put you through to the mains if he wants to use it. But in between there’s a little problem. Everything was ready, just perfect, just to be connected to the mains. But the instrument was given the freedom to choose. That is important for evolution, very important, that you should be given the freedom, a complete freedom to choose whether it is right or wrong. Nobody can force that onto you. In all your freedom you have to choose whether you want to enter into the Kingdom of God or not. Nobody’s going to force you there, to enter. It has to be your desire; it has to be your asking. And for that freedom has been given to use these two powers of your desire and of your action which gives you the idea of your accelerator and of your brake: to know how to drive your own car, so that the master behind it hands over the keys to you and car to you. It was necessary for you to learn these two powers, to be managed. But in your freedom and in understanding yourself you have committed mistakes; you have bumped your cars too much. It was said that: keep in the centre, do not go too much left or to the right or you’ll get into bumps. Either you went into the left or to the right. And when you tried to correct your right you went into the left, to another extreme. To correct to the left you went to the right. By going to the extremes, you will be bumping your car. And this is exactly what has happened to us – doesn’t matter. The car has to be repaired; it has to be done. A little patience can work it out. There’s nothing to get annoyed with oneself. When the car starts it goes very fast. Then you should know how to slow it down, how to organise it. Then you have to become the authority, yourself, of discrimination. I don’t have to tell you that this is not good or that is not good. How is it possible? Because you become one with the Divine, you become one with the Primordial Being, with the Great Being, with the Akbar, and you start acting according to that. A subjective manifestation of your awareness takes place by which you understand what’s wrong with you and what’s wrong with others. It is so precise and correct. You just feel on your hands, on your fingers as shown, all the centres that are within you, which are created out of different elements. Immediately you know what is in imbalance, what is more, what is less, left is more or right is more, what is wrong with you. Even a born-realised child, say, of two years who can talk, can tell you what’s wrong, because it’s subjective. You start feeling it: this is happening, that is happening. All this understanding comes to you because it is Self-knowledge. But when you know about yourself you also know about others, because you jump into collective consciousness. You ‘jump into’, I say. You become collectively conscious. It is not that I say, “We are all brothers and sisters,” have United Nations for it and use it for giving jobs to everyone. It’s not that way. It’s an actualisation that takes place: you just become. Jolly well you’ll have to feel it. You cannot get rid of it. It becomes your awareness. You just feel it and that’s how you correct it. Everybody is a part and parcel of that Great Being. As this finger can feel this finger; and as, when it is hurt, this finger goes to sooth it, in the same way the whole is more important than individual. So, when we are seeking our wholesomeness we have to know that, only through Self-realisation, by becoming one with the Self, you are going to get it. Talks, talks, talks – we have had many. Let’s have the real and get it. You cannot argue about it. It happens, especially in this country I have seen, because you are great thinkers and analysers. Everything you try to analyse. But this is beyond your thinking. You go beyond your rationality. Because rationality is limited and you have to be triggered into something unlimited, so you have to leave that. You have to go into that space. You cannot explain it by thinking. But then, when it starts flowing through you, you use your rationality to understand, “Why this finger is burning?” It is decoded in Sahaj Yoga. In Sahaj Yoga you know all the decoding of all the signals you get from the Absolute. Your computer starts working. But who has to decode the computer and the numbers? All that is explained. That is what you have to learn, that is known as gyana. After Realisation what one has to do? Also, a point comes up sometimes. Supposing, I have enlightened this one (candle), now what have we to do? Is to give light. What a question! When you are enlightened, after enlightenment what do you do? Is to give light, that’s all. That’s your job, is to give light. But how to manoeuvre it, how to organise it – that’s the thing you have to learn, for which I’m willing to work very hard. And everything that I say, you have to verify it, and you have to see for yourself. After Realisation, if you start doubting – we had people who started doubting – and what are you doubting here? I don’t want anything from you. I am sitting here just to give, not to take anything, then what are you doubting about? They start doubting and the progress is much less. But some people are of very high calibre in this country, are of a very great high calibre, and once they get it, they just get it like that. You will be amazed, there was one gentleman who went to someone and was ditched and deceived and absolutely he was looted: he just saw my photograph. There are, Gavin himself has got his Realisation only through my photograph. There are many here who have got it through my photograph only. But they are people of calibre. So, I said that Sahaj Yoga is going to judge you and you are not going to judge Sahaj Yoga: you cannot. You cannot measure it. It is an ocean. Just enjoy it and be your Self. It’s a gift for which you have been asking, so just take it. It’s absolutely free, you cannot pay it and don’t think on these hopeless worldly ways. It is the love of God, the grace of God, which one has to receive. Just enjoy it. Just have it. That’s what it is and we should work it out. Now I had a system, especially in these countries, that people can ask me questions. But it happened like that, that questions were asked by extremely negative people mostly. I would answer them, they would take everybody’s time who were anxious to have Realisation. And then just as soon as we started, “All right let’s have the Realisation,” the person would get up and go away. It’s common practice. The person is not at all interested in Self-realisation, seems to be more interested in questions. And, sort of, you give more chance to a person who is negative and useless than to people who really want Realisation. Now, if there is a question, I still would like you to ask me, no doubt, but be sensible and considerate. Thank you very much. May God bless you all! Be considerate when you ask a question, but ask. It’s nice to ask, you know, because I have no questions, that’s the problem. Not to fear, please ask the question. Lady from the audience: Have a question. Shri Mataji: You have been always asking, I am not going to allow this time. She is useless. You asked me. Somebody else should ask me. Her questions are always like that, has no meaning. You’d better get your Realisation, perfected. Anybody else? Ask. She has been every time asking questions, but you don’t want to perfect your Realisation. You must perfect your Realisation. Yes please. Yes, ask me, loudly. Seeker: I’ll try not to be negative but I’ve tried a few different organisations and I’ve searched quite a lot of different organisations Shri Mataji: I can see that. All right Seeker: and always I come to the same question that people who are interested in truth, how could they come to such an organisation as yours? Shri Mataji: I have no organisation. We have no membership. This is not an organisation. Question: But… Shri Mataji: Now, I’m very happy that…Please, sit down, all right? I know. He is a seeker. He has been to many organisations. There has to be. It is written already in the Bible, there have to be many like these, you see, coming up. All right? But first of all, I have requested you that here we are not selling anything, to begin with. We are not selling. What are you going to lose in any case? Maybe, your ego a little bit, maybe. Because we are identified with our ego, we think our self is our ego, you see; which may not be pampered [here] also, as in another organisation. I have been, seen people who are very honest, they go to other organisations and they find that only their ego is pampered and their pockets are being vacated. No, that’s not here. Now, I also do not guarantee that you will get your Realisation definitely. It’s like germination. If it works, I’ll be the happiest person and you’ll be the happiest. If it doesn’t work, please come again, we’ll work out. So, again if you have started judging about it, it won’t work out. There are fifty per cent people here who are realised people and they know your problems. They haven’t given me a single pie (1\192 Rupee), nothing! But if you come here, you have come in your own right, because you are a seeker and I respect you for that and I love you for that. And I am here for you. Not in London. I didn’t come to London for that, I came by chance. You know that my husband was appointed here to this U.N. thing, he was elected, and I had to come here. But also, this is God’s desire that I should be with you because there are so many seekers! So, I am with you here. If you have been to many organisations and many thugs also, I must tell you very, very frankly that you’ll have problems much more than anybody else will have. It’s going to be difficult to give you Realisation, because all these organisations do spoil your Kundalini and your chakras. I’ve yet to meet one organisation which doesn’t spoil. Except for, there are some real people who live in the forests and they have disciples. But I can make them out: if they are coming from the real gurus, I immediately know. But no organisation, so far, I have known, who has even kept your instrument intact. They have spoilt your Agnya, they have spoilt other centres, which are so vital, just to get some money out of you. I don’t know why they have done it. I know you are tired of seeking but no more you should repent about it. But if you have been to other gurus, you must tell us, because we’ll have problems correcting you. Even if you read the books, even if you just think of them or even if you have a photograph, it acts negatively; it’s a problem. So, I request you to let us know if you have been to any guru. I wish I could tell you the experiences we have had from people who went to other gurus, and the things that we had to correct. And most of the Sahaj Yogis are here who have been, at least half of them or most of them have been to some gurus somewhere and have known this, that there is a problem. Doesn’t matter! If your Kundalini is preserved even by them, I’ll be very thankful. All right? It’s correct now? What’s it? So, should we start now? Let us see how it works out, hmm? Hmm. Now, put your hands like this. One has to be extremely positive, after Realisation, about it. If you go down you will move very slow. It is like three paces forward and two paces backwards. When you will reach? You’ll never reach! Before that, I do not ask for anything. But after that you have to do it. Secondly, when you put your hands towards me, as shown there, all these fingers have got the centres, the chakras, dormantly placed on these fingers: one, two, three, four, five, six and seven, on the left, on the right; left sympathetic and right sympathetic. So, when you are placing towards me, like as you place towards this one, it radiates heat. In the same way, I radiate this Divine love. You will also radiate when you will be realised, when you will be enlightened. So, when you put your hands towards me you take this radiation within yourself. It goes within yourself onto these. There are two very important chakras, which work it down on your, these, two lines and inform the Kundalini through the lower chakra to rise. And you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of Kundalini in some people, who’s this chakra is catching. With naked eyes you can see. You can see even the rising of the Kundalini. If you have the stethoscope you can feel the throbbing going up. When it reaches here, it throbs here and then it stops. That is the time you are realised. But some people have lots of imbalances. Now, how do we remove them? Supposing the ego is too much on this side, there is no space here. So, you have to push down the ego. If the superego is too much, you have to push down the superego. So, those who are realised people, also radiate this, this Divine love, this integrated force of vital energies and they, through their vibrations, manoeuvre it by giving these radiations, they take it down. You can also do it. You have to learn, only, the art. And then they raise the Kundalini, so the Kundalini starts. If there is an obstruction you can see the Kundalini going there. For example: somebody has a liver trouble; you can see the Kundalini going there and throbbing. If you have the kidneys trouble, the Kundalini will go there; poor thing will supply to the kidneys and then come up. That’s why the first thing that will happen to you is, that physically you will be cured. We have definitely cured cancer. The president of India (Neelam Sanjiva Reddy) who was suffering from cancer, was cured by me. If you want you can write to him and ask. That cancer can only be cured by Sahaj Yoga, by nothing else, is also another fact. But doesn’t matter; don’t get too frightened about it. Just now, let us have the Kundalini moving. Let us see if it starts. It has to start. By anything you cannot do it. Only through Divine radiation you can do it. But (break in recording) I have seen horrible Kundalinis, I have seen, in doing this work. People are not aware of it: what we have done to harm ourselves, people are not aware and that’s why sometimes it takes time, doesn’t matter. As I have patience and love for you, please have patience for yourself because you are a seeker. You are a seeker of truth and that’s why I’m here. Now please put your hands like this close your eyes. And you have to put your feet on the ground. The reason is that the Mother Earth sucks in lots of our problems. Now the people who are realised also can help me, they are just like my hands. You have to also become my hands. But when they move their hands and all that you are not to get frightened of them. They are the people who are salvaging you! They have to help you. If they know swimming, they have to fetch you to the shores. They have to extend their hands to you. Don’t be frightened of them. Come on the shores and you are going to do the same thing. There’s nothing to be frightened. They are not going to do anything. Might be, they might feel, if you are realised or not. So, just put your hands like this. Now, you have to close your eyes. Close your eyes, please. But some cannot close their eyes because the eyelids will flicker. So, please open your eyes, in that case. If your eyes can be easily closed without any flickering, then keep them closed. That’s a very good sign. Now, if you feel anything like little shaking in the hands or anything like that, then open your eyes. Nothing external should happen. If it happens, then open your eyes. Even if you feel heat in the hand, you’ll not feel much, but if you feel slightly even, which you think is little unbearable then open your eyes. When you close your eyes most of you will find you have no thoughts in your mind already. This is called as Nirvichar Samadhi, is called as thoughtless awareness. It’s this samadhi, it’s this state which is achieved after thousands of years of meditation, as they say. It’s the most difficult thing, agreed. But there could be someone for whom this could be only just a play…(End of recording)

“Knowledge of the Divine,” Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 28 October 1979. Every time I face the new people, I have to give an introductory talk and Sahaj Yogis get sometimes impatient about it. But we have to understand that this is the knowledge of the Divine and those who have not known about it are to be told. And those who have known should know that there are many things they have not known, which they have to know. Still there is a lot to be known. Supposing I tell you all about it and you do not get your Realisation, you do not get your yoga, you do not get your connection with the Divine then it is useless. Talk will remain talk. You may verify it; you may find it the same written in many scriptures. Many saints have told you the same thing [but] it has no use. The knowledge, gyana, is useless without yoga, without the union with the Divine. When you get the yoga, also, when you are realised, you get your Realisation, and I do not give you the knowledge, then your Realisation is also useless. I have seen in this great country many realised-souls are born. They live as realised-souls, they don’t know what are they; they act as spiritualists, they call themselves, whatever people call them. But they are not aware that they are realised-souls! They commit mistakes, they go onto wrong paths, get confused about their Realisation. So, it is necessary also to know what have they got, what does it mean, how to use it, how to go ahead with it and how to develop. Many people who have been here in this hall have got Realisation. Once they get Realisation, they feel so satisfied about it that they just don’t come next time. And sometimes, after a year or two years they appear saying that, “Mother, we are again lost.” So, to get Realisation is the most important thing, absolutely important because if you do not start your car, you do not move. You [may] go on describing everything that, “Now here we are on Leicester Square. Now we are here!” But you are not there, you’re just talking. The car has to move first, has to start and when the car has started then you must also know the roads, how to go. Then the car starts and bumps into something, then you feel that, “What has happened? Our car has started!” So, these are two things: one is the yoga – is the Realisation, through awakening of your Kundalini and the other is the gyana (knowledge), which is the part which gives you complete knowledge and mastery over your powers. For example, you go to a house and the lady gives you the keys, “All right this is your house. You use it as you like it.” Say, I come to England and somebody gives me the keys. I don’t know how to use a washing machine! And I don’t know how to use the oven! Though she has given me the keys, I have entered into it, I should know how to use it. I should know also what are the don’ts and what are the dos. Before entering into the house, what’s the use of knowing, also? Of course, it may help you, if you have a little knowledge about it. But you cannot practise anything because you have not entered inside it. The machinery is not before you, you are not facing it. So, in Sahaj Yoga one has to first get into [the] Self-realised state and then should know thoroughly how to use that state, or how to be in that state, how to manifest it, improve it and stabilise it. For this you cannot go into courses – that is for definite. “Should we do fourteen courses outside?” Has nothing to do with Sahaj Yoga. You have to get the keys. Secondly, you cannot pay any money for it, you cannot purchase it. It is very difficult for human beings to understand this part: that you cannot pay for it. That is one place where you cannot pay and purchase. It is not that you are going to judge the Sahaj Yoga, but Sahaj Yoga is going to judge you. It’s just the other way around. It is not that you are going to purchase Sahaj Yoga, but Sahaj Yoga has to purchase you and has to accept you. It is very easy to do any other nonsense: just you pay the money and you are there enrolled, permanently. You become the member of any group, very easy. And you can club together and be satisfied, “Oh, we are this and that!” You can brand yourself as anything but not as Sahaj Yogis, unless and until you have got it. It is that essential, that authentic, that intrinsic, that innate, that you have to be that. You can be an Englishman if you get a British passport. You can be a director anywhere if you can qualify for that. But you cannot be a Sahaj Yogi by doing anything that you have been doing to achieve for worldly things or worldly positions, worldly possessions. We see so many such phenomena in our life that we cannot see or cannot manoeuvre, cannot do such as a flower manifest into a fruit. As we cannot germinate a seed, we cannot do this living thing, which has to be done by Divine power and not by human power. Once you get it, the Divine power starts flowing through you, then you can also charge the dynamo. There is no false certificate that can be given. You may be having a son who is not realised: you may stand on your head or do whatever you please, you just cannot certify unless and until he has got it. It is such a strange thing, so unique. But do you know: this is what you are seeking. The rest of the things can be sought. This is the thing which can only be requested for, to be prayed for, to be asked for. You cannot demand it. Only the grace of God can work it out. Today I happened to read Bible, part of it, and I was amazed how John has revealed so many things about chakras and this; but of course, in a very mystic language. He calls chakras as the plug/plaque in his dream he saw, and the deities as the angels. He has also described the Realisation. It is so wonderful to read it. But only after Realisation you’ll understand, because it’s a very, very deep writing and you cannot read much from it – mystical sounding, vague words. Now, we are here to seek ourselves. Everybody is floating an enterprise like that, everybody is saying, “Oh, we are here to help you to seek yourself.” I may be one of them, too. Why should you believe me, in any case? The first thought that will come into your mind is, “Why should we believe Mataji?” If you believe in me blindly, it is not going to help me at all. Neither it is going to help me, if you are going to deny. Like a scientist just keep your eyes open, keep your mind open, because this is what you are seeking, not just in this lifetime. You have been seeking for ages and unless and until you get it you are not going to be satisfied, you are not going to find your fulfilment. This has to happen to you. I don’t know how far Gavin has been able to explain to you what to expect out of Sahaja Yoga. But it is the actualisation of this experience I’m talking about, which has to work out. Here you see they have drawn a human being, as he exists, with his Divine instrument within himself. These are the patterns of the energies which are undercurrent of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system is managed by two channels within us. One, on the left hand side that you see with the blue line, is the power to desire: is called as ichcha shakti. And the other one, on the right hand side, with the yellow line, is the power to act, which is called as the kriya shakti. The first one is called as the ichcha shakti. First one has to desire and then he acts. And these two powers exist within us as left and right sympathetic nervous system, which doctors can see outside the spinal cord, but this is inside the spinal cord and inside the cranial bones, inside the brain as you can see there. These all can be related to the gross nervous system that doctors can see. But they are subtle energies within us. The one which runs on the left hand side is connected with the seventh chakras down below; or you can call it the first chakra. This gives us desire to live and also desire to die. All desires give us emotions, it gives us existence and when we deny our existence, then it gives us death. The other one is the power of action for which we use our physical being and our mental being. So, this represents our physical and mental being. The central one is called as the path of knowledge: gyana shakti. But the knowledge we know of is very different from the knowledge I am talking about. I mean the subjective knowledge that we have achieved as human beings through our evolution. For example, a human being is much higher in his awareness than the animal. His awareness is the thing that he has achieved through his evolution, which is built in him, which acts subjectively. For example, supposing you take a rose flower: you know it is a rose flower and you enjoy it. But for an animal, it makes no difference whether it is filth or a garden, it can pass through it most unawares. So, your gyana shakti means your awareness or your knowledge – knowledge that is awareness, human awareness – is developed to a point and still has to develop more, has to manifest more. It has to have another dimension. Because of a certain gap in between – you can see the central line; this green gap gives you the Void – gives you an awareness which is not yet complete. The completion of human awareness can only be achieved if he reaches the absolute point. Supposing you have not reached the absolute point then whatever you are talking is relative. Relative to relative creates confusion. So, the idea of righteousness, idea of holiness, idea of sin, everything is relative. You have to reach that absolute point by which you judge whether it is holiness or not, whether it is sinful or not. That we have to reach. That absolute point is within us, placed in our heart, which is called as the Spirit and is the reflection of God Almighty. In Sanskrit language it is called as Atma. That Spirit resides within us, it watches all our activities, it knows everything about us and it informs the lowest chakra there, which records everything that we do – all our conditionings, all our ego-trips – to that three and a half-coiled energy, which we call as Kundalini. ‘Kundalini’ means coils. This is the Kundalini, as called as the Serpent power. Now, horrible things have been said and written about Kundalini. When I read, I mean when I even heard about it, I was really shocked about the naive description of it! I’ve always said that it is like a villager going in the city and putting both the hands into the plug and saying that, “Electricity I know, don’t tell me about it! You see what happens, it gives you a shock and you just fall back and you break your neck.” Those who do not know about Kundalini have written about Kundalini because this is the only area where nobody can control you. You can write anything about God, against God, or do whatever you please, who can check you? There is no law which forbids. You can write about Kundalini whatever you feel like. She is your Mother. She has been born with you several times. She is the one who is going to give you Realisation. And do you think your Kundalini is going to harm you by any chance? Is going to torture you? Is going to trouble you? And if you have to achieve the highest through the Divine love of God, is it going to be torturesome? Did you get this nose and these eyes and mouth and everything that you have as a human being out of some tortures? You never even felt how it has happened! How gentle it is, how kind it is! It is your Mother who is sitting there waiting for a moment to rise. Now the whole thing sounds very poetic to a scientific mind. But poetry is also a part of human beings. If it sounds poetic. It is the poetic work, of the Kundalini. God is not only science; he is also love, beauty. He is not only dry truth; He is also joy. He is joy. He’s joy, because he is truth, He’s truth because He’s beauty. So, when the Kundalini rises within you through these six centres that are shown here, it pierces this area, which is called as the fontanel bone and gives you Self-realisation. This is called as baptism. You cannot go to a theological college and become a Baptist. Nobody can brand you a Baptist. You have to be realised. This fontanel bone area has to be pierced through by the Kundalini, then only you become one with the All-pervading Power, with that subtle power. It has to happen; this germination has to take place within you. You are still at a seed stage and just by branding a seed you do not become a tree. So, it has to happen within us, and has to happen beautifully, and spontaneously, because it is a living process of evolution. We have evolved into human beings from amoeba: nobody has done anything about it. And we are not going to do anything about becoming that for which we are made. Somebody who has created this machinery is going to put you through to the mains if he wants to use it. But in between there’s a little problem. Everything was ready, just perfect, just to be connected to the mains. But the instrument was given the freedom to choose. That is important for evolution, very important, that you should be given the freedom, a complete freedom to choose whether it is right or wrong. Nobody can force that onto you. In all your freedom you have to choose whether you want to enter into the Kingdom of God or not. Nobody’s going to force you there, to enter. It has to be your desire; it has to be your asking. And for that freedom has been given to use these two powers of your desire and of your action which gives you the idea of your accelerator and of your brake: to know how to drive your own car, so that the master behind it hands over the keys to you and car to you. It was necessary for you to learn these two powers, to be managed. But in your freedom and in understanding yourself you have committed mistakes; you have bumped your cars too much. It was said that: keep in the centre, do not go too much left or to the right or you’ll get into bumps. Either you went into the left or to the right. And when you tried to correct your right you went into the left, to another extreme. To correct to the left you went to the right. By going to the extremes, you will be bumping your car. And this is exactly what has happened to us – doesn’t matter. The car has to be repaired; it has to be done. A little patience can work it out. There’s nothing to get annoyed with oneself. When the car starts it goes very fast. Then you should know how to slow it down, how to organise it. Then you have to become the authority, yourself, of discrimination. I don’t have to tell you that this is not good or that is not good. How is it possible? Because you become one with the Divine, you become one with the Primordial Being, with the Great Being, with the Akbar, and you start acting according to that. A subjective manifestation of your awareness takes place by which you understand what’s wrong with you and what’s wrong with others. It is so precise and correct. You just feel on your hands, on your fingers as shown, all the centres that are within you, which are created out of different elements. Immediately you know what is in imbalance, what is more, what is less, left is more or right is more, what is wrong with you. Even a born-realised child, say, of two years who can talk, can tell you what’s wrong, because it’s subjective. You start feeling it: this is happening, that is happening. All this understanding comes to you because it is Self-knowledge. But when you know about yourself you also know about others, because you jump into collective consciousness. You ‘jump into’, I say. You become collectively conscious. It is not that I say, “We are all brothers and sisters,” have United Nations for it and use it for giving jobs to everyone. It’s not that way. It’s an actualisation that takes place: you just become. Jolly well you’ll have to feel it. You cannot get rid of it. It becomes your awareness. You just feel it and that’s how you correct it. Everybody is a part and parcel of that Great Being. As this finger can feel this finger; and as, when it is hurt, this finger goes to sooth it, in the same way the whole is more important than individual. So, when we are seeking our wholesomeness we have to know that, only through Self-realisation, by becoming one with the Self, you are going to get it. Talks, talks, talks – we have had many. Let’s have the real and get it. You cannot argue about it. It happens, especially in this country I have seen, because you are great thinkers and analysers. Everything you try to analyse. But this is beyond your thinking. You go beyond your rationality. Because rationality is limited and you have to be triggered into something unlimited, so you have to leave that. You have to go into that space. You cannot explain it by thinking. But then, when it starts flowing through you, you use your rationality to understand, “Why this finger is burning?” It is decoded in Sahaj Yoga. In Sahaj Yoga you know all the decoding of all the signals you get from the Absolute. Your computer starts working. But who has to decode the computer and the numbers? All that is explained. That is what you have to learn, that is known as gyana. After Realisation what one has to do? Also, a point comes up sometimes. Supposing, I have enlightened this one (candle), now what have we to do? Is to give light. What a question! When you are enlightened, after enlightenment what do you do? Is to give light, that’s all. That’s your job, is to give light. But how to manoeuvre it, how to organise it – that’s the thing you have to learn, for which I’m willing to work very hard. And everything that I say, you have to verify it, and you have to see for yourself. After Realisation, if you start doubting – we had people who started doubting – and what are you doubting here? I don’t want anything from you. I am sitting here just to give, not to take anything, then what are you doubting about? They start doubting and the progress is much less. But some people are of very high calibre in this country, are of a very great high calibre, and once they get it, they just get it like that. You will be amazed, there was one gentleman who went to someone and was ditched and deceived and absolutely he was looted: he just saw my photograph. There are, Gavin himself has got his Realisation only through my photograph. There are many here who have got it through my photograph only. But they are people of calibre. So, I said that Sahaj Yoga is going to judge you and you are not going to judge Sahaj Yoga: you cannot. You cannot measure it. It is an ocean. Just enjoy it and be your Self. It’s a gift for which you have been asking, so just take it. It’s absolutely free, you cannot pay it and don’t think on these hopeless worldly ways. It is the love of God, the grace of God, which one has to receive. Just enjoy it. Just have it. That’s what it is and we should work it out. Now I had a system, especially in these countries, that people can ask me questions. But it happened like that, that questions were asked by extremely negative people mostly. I would answer them, they would take everybody’s time who were anxious to have Realisation. And then just as soon as we started, “All right let’s have the Realisation,” the person would get up and go away. It’s common practice. The person is not at all interested in Self-realisation, seems to be more interested in questions. And, sort of, you give more chance to a person who is negative and useless than to people who really want Realisation. Now, if there is a question, I still would like you to ask me, no doubt, but be sensible and considerate. Thank you very much. May God bless you all! Be considerate when you ask a question, but ask. It’s nice to ask, you know, because I have no questions, that’s the problem. Not to fear, please ask the question. Lady from the audience: Have a question. Shri Mataji: You have been always asking, I am not going to allow this time. She is useless. You asked me. Somebody else should ask me. Her questions are always like that, has no meaning. You’d better get your Realisation, perfected. Anybody else? Ask. She has been every time asking questions, but you don’t want to perfect your Realisation. You must perfect your Realisation. Yes please. Yes, ask me, loudly. Seeker: I’ll try not to be negative but I’ve tried a few different organisations and I’ve searched quite a lot of different organisations Shri Mataji: I can see that. All right Seeker: and always I come to the same question that people who are interested in truth, how could they come to such an organisation as yours? Shri Mataji: I have no organisation. We have no membership. This is not an organisation. Question: But… Shri Mataji: Now, I’m very happy that…Please, sit down, all right? I know. He is a seeker. He has been to many organisations. There has to be. It is written already in the Bible, there have to be many like these, you see, coming up. All right? But first of all, I have requested you that here we are not selling anything, to begin with. We are not selling. What are you going to lose in any case? Maybe, your ego a little bit, maybe. Because we are identified with our ego, we think our self is our ego, you see; which may not be pampered [here] also, as in another organisation. I have been, seen people who are very honest, they go to other organisations and they find that only their ego is pampered and their pockets are being vacated. No, that’s not here. Now, I also do not guarantee that you will get your Realisation definitely. It’s like germination. If it works, I’ll be the happiest person and you’ll be the happiest. If it doesn’t work, please come again, we’ll work out. So, again if you have started judging about it, it won’t work out. There are fifty per cent people here who are realised people and they know your problems. They haven’t given me a single pie (1\192 Rupee), nothing! But if you come here, you have come in your own right, because you are a seeker and I respect you for that and I love you for that. And I am here for you. Not in London. I didn’t come to London for that, I came by chance. You know that my husband was appointed here to this U.N. thing, he was elected, and I had to come here. But also, this is God’s desire that I should be with you because there are so many seekers! So, I am with you here. If you have been to many organisations and many thugs also, I must tell you very, very frankly that you’ll have problems much more than anybody else will have. It’s going to be difficult to give you Realisation, because all these organisations do spoil your Kundalini and your chakras. I’ve yet to meet one organisation which doesn’t spoil. Except for, there are some real people who live in the forests and they have disciples. But I can make them out: if they are coming from the real gurus, I immediately know. But no organisation, so far, I have known, who has even kept your instrument intact. They have spoilt your Agnya, they have spoilt other centres, which are so vital, just to get some money out of you. I don’t know why they have done it. I know you are tired of seeking but no more you should repent about it. But if you have been to other gurus, you must tell us, because we’ll have problems correcting you. Even if you read the books, even if you just think of them or even if you have a photograph, it acts negatively; it’s a problem. So, I request you to let us know if you have been to any guru. I wish I could tell you the experiences we have had from people who went to other gurus, and the things that we had to correct. And most of the Sahaj Yogis are here who have been, at least half of them or most of them have been to some gurus somewhere and have known this, that there is a problem. Doesn’t matter! If your Kundalini is preserved even by them, I’ll be very thankful. All right? It’s correct now? What’s it? So, should we start now? Let us see how it works out, hmm? Hmm. Now, put your hands like this. One has to be extremely positive, after Realisation, about it. If you go down you will move very slow. It is like three paces forward and two paces backwards. When you will reach? You’ll never reach! Before that, I do not ask for anything. But after that you have to do it. Secondly, when you put your hands towards me, as shown there, all these fingers have got the centres, the chakras, dormantly placed on these fingers: one, two, three, four, five, six and seven, on the left, on the right; left sympathetic and right sympathetic. So, when you are placing towards me, like as you place towards this one, it radiates heat. In the same way, I radiate this Divine love. You will also radiate when you will be realised, when you will be enlightened. So, when you put your hands towards me you take this radiation within yourself. It goes within yourself onto these. There are two very important chakras, which work it down on your, these, two lines and inform the Kundalini through the lower chakra to rise. And you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of Kundalini in some people, who’s this chakra is catching. With naked eyes you can see. You can see even the rising of the Kundalini. If you have the stethoscope you can feel the throbbing going up. When it reaches here, it throbs here and then it stops. That is the time you are realised. But some people have lots of imbalances. Now, how do we remove them? Supposing the ego is too much on this side, there is no space here. So, you have to push down the ego. If the superego is too much, you have to push down the superego. So, those who are realised people, also radiate this, this Divine love, this integrated force of vital energies and they, through their vibrations, manoeuvre it by giving these radiations, they take it down. You can also do it. You have to learn, only, the art. And then they raise the Kundalini, so the Kundalini starts. If there is an obstruction you can see the Kundalini going there. For example: somebody has a liver trouble; you can see the Kundalini going there and throbbing. If you have the kidneys trouble, the Kundalini will go there; poor thing will supply to the kidneys and then come up. That’s why the first thing that will happen to you is, that physically you will be cured. We have definitely cured cancer. The president of India (Neelam Sanjiva Reddy) who was suffering from cancer, was cured by me. If you want you can write to him and ask. That cancer can only be cured by Sahaj Yoga, by nothing else, is also another fact. But doesn’t matter; don’t get too frightened about it. Just now, let us have the Kundalini moving. Let us see if it starts. It has to start. By anything you cannot do it. Only through Divine radiation you can do it. But (break in recording) I have seen horrible Kundalinis, I have seen, in doing this work. People are not aware of it: what we have done to harm ourselves, people are not aware and that’s why sometimes it takes time, doesn’t matter. As I have patience and love for you, please have patience for yourself because you are a seeker. You are a seeker of truth and that’s why I’m here. Now please put your hands like this close your eyes. And you have to put your feet on the ground. The reason is that the Mother Earth sucks in lots of our problems. Now the people who are realised also can help me, they are just like my hands. You have to also become my hands. But when they move their hands and all that you are not to get frightened of them. They are the people who are salvaging you! They have to help you. If they know swimming, they have to fetch you to the shores. They have to extend their hands to you. Don’t be frightened of them. Come on the shores and you are going to do the same thing. There’s nothing to be frightened. They are not going to do anything. Might be, they might feel, if you are realised or not. So, just put your hands like this. Now, you have to close your eyes. Close your eyes, please. But some cannot close their eyes because the eyelids will flicker. So, please open your eyes, in that case. If your eyes can be easily closed without any flickering, then keep them closed. That’s a very good sign. Now, if you feel anything like little shaking in the hands or anything like that, then open your eyes. Nothing external should happen. If it happens, then open your eyes. Even if you feel heat in the hand, you’ll not feel much, but if you feel slightly even, which you think is little unbearable then open your eyes. When you close your eyes most of you will find you have no thoughts in your mind already. This is called as Nirvichar Samadhi, is called as thoughtless awareness. It’s this samadhi, it’s this state which is achieved after thousands of years of meditation, as they say. It’s the most difficult thing, agreed. But there could be someone for whom this could be only just a play…(End of recording)

11/11/1979

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Lecture “The Meaning of Yoga”. Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK), 11 November 1979. From this wheat, a germ is born. That's something that is born with you, that is innately built in you, which sprouts by itself in you, which manifests itself. Like you can see a seed sprouting into a tree, this is what is "sahaja". Now all other yogas which go along with it, are part and parcel of Sahaja Yoga. They cannot be separated from this to that. I think people are under a misunderstanding that there are four limbs of one Yoga or something like that. Even that won’t be a misunderstanding as to think that they are separated or different.When we say that we have eaten this food, it doesn’t mean like a bolt it has gone inside, in the body, and just passed out of the body like a bolt coming out, does it? It means that you have tasted the food in your mouth. It means that it has secreted some saliva in the mouth, later on in the lip. It has passed through the trachea and the other places like, you can call, what is it?Sahaja Yogi: Oesophagus.Shri Mataji: Oesophagus, going down into the stomach part and then to the intestines and then to the larger intestines. All this movement and passage and all that is done through the other kind of movement which is existing in the organs itself like the stomach itself pushing it down, coming from your brain. The sympathetic and the parasympathetic coming into play and working it out. It is a big system and organization that is working it out. Now if you want to separate it; that the digestive system is different, the respiratory system is different, and your heart system is different, or some other brain system is different or nervous system is different, I mean you can’t take it out like that, a brain hanging on one side and your digestive system hanging on the other. It is one integrated form of organization which is a living organization, which understands each other, which reacts to the demands. You cannot separate these systems. But as it is, our brains are so disintegrated or they are good at that disintegrating everything within us and without, that we want to disintegrate the living thing which is Yoga. Yoga is not a dead organization. It’s a living process. Absolutely a living process. When it is a living process, you cannot do anything about it, so, it is "sahaja".At the most, you can a little bit shift it here and there and push it around and all that. If a tree is coming up, like in Japan, they want to give it a shape, then they will cut one branch first and bend it a little more. Then cut another one. Then bend it this way, that way and give it a shape. But whatever is living is working out spontaneously within us with many complicated organizations which are living themselves and are aware of what they are doing. For example, your body is much more aware of Me than your rationalities. Say, you are a possessed person. You won’t accept that you are possessed, you won’t accept. I won’t say myself also because I don’t want to get every kind of thing which is in stock there, you see. I know human beings, that if you tell them something like that you could be out for any sort of trouble, you see. So, I don’t tell you. But the body knows Me. When you come before Me, the whole body shakes, just like that. Malcom, is it true or not? Tell me? [Shri Mataji laughs] Because it is a living body, it knows Me, it is not a dead body. So, whatever is living, is so well looked after, organized and in a living way which we do not understand because we deal with the dead. Suppose I have to start this instrument then I have to know that there must be a cord that I have to put to the mains. I always say that Sahaja Yoga is like that; you take out your cord and put it to the mains. I say like that. But do you think it is that simple? You believe that? That you just pull out the Kundalini from there and put to the mains? No, it is not. When the sprouting of the Kundalini starts, when awakening starts it passes through the various centres, how? How will you explain the Kundalini which is at the base end of your spinal cord rising upward? Now, If I tell you that this is even more than your digestive system, that the Kundalini which is an energy as we call it and which thinks, understands and loves you and knows each and everything about you in this life and life before. If she is so capable, and if she knows everything then she is entity by itself. And if she has to come up to your head, is it easy? It is the most difficult thing. If you have a stone lying somewhere, you can pick it up and throw it wherever you like, isn’t it simple. Even if there is a little worm it knows how to get out of the way of a big bull coming around. And a bull, if it sits anywhere, impossible to raise it. You try your level best. There are some very drastic methods for that in India. You have to burn some red chilies and put that smoke in the nose of the bull, like that. Then only the bull will rise. Otherwise you try anything it won’t rise. It will be settling itself nicely on the ground. So, you come across such bulls also. Sometimes it happens like that. But to make this Kundalini, which thinks, understands, is the individual mother of an individual which has been born with you all the time, who knows all about you and who loves you most and She is ‘the one who is going to give your realization, your second birth. She is your mother. This kind of a Kundalini that exists within us must be the most difficult person to rise. Has to be. That is why people say, Kundalini raising is very difficult. Is correct. So, one has to find the methods of how to make the bull rise. Because this Kundalini is “absolute Dharma”, is absolute righteousness, absolute purity, ideal-most personality that you could think of, which does not tolerate any nonsense, falsehood, untruth, anything like that. (10.27) She is Nirmala you can call Her. She is Pure, She is Purity personified. She does not accept any nonsense, no compromise She is within you. See how beautiful you are. She is not afraid of anyone, She cannot be enticed, enchanted or tempted by anything. And She Loves but Her Love is that pure that nothing is higher for Her than her own love. She never reconciles to anything. And she is the one who is going to give you your self-realization. So, for human beings who know about it, they have to find out methods of pleasing Her. What makes Her so unhappy? Why doesn’t She want to rise? They have to find out the means and methods. And as a result of that probing has brought forth other Yoga’s, which we call as Raj-Yoga or they call it as Hatha-Yoga, or the third one they call as Kriya Yoga (1 think Kriya and Raj is about the same) and Bhakti Yoga and Gyan Yoga and Karam Yoga. All these are the methods human beings want to employ to make the bull rise. (Mother laughs) When they get frustrated, they want to hang themselves by the nearest tree. So, that also is another frustrated Yoga. Then Sadistic Yoga, then beating Yoga’s, then beating others Yoga’s then it goes on like that, you see, flowering into better and better things. Then fanaticism, because human beings find it difficult to sit still, they get a challenge. “Oh, this bull does not rise, I will make it rise.” Moreover, they haven’t got the authority. Even those who are self-realized they have no knowledge because Kundalini is not made by them. Like, even if I get this machinery, I do not know how to handle it, how to use it? I may try but I may burn my hands instead. Such a hotch potch of (13.56) endeavour brings forth so many yoga’s in this world. And everybody is baffled at it that how it is that there are so many Yoga’s and whether we should do this Yoga and that Yoga and Buddha or Mahavira or Christ or this and that or what is it. Then Church Yoga and voodoos And what is wrong in witchcraft? somebody said the other day. Nothing wrong but the bull will be settle down better, it won’t rise then with voodoo. Now, so they have tried to find out what should we do now? Stand on your heads, bull won’t rise, no it won’t. Break your necks? It won’t. So, what should we do? So, we should know what is a Kundalini that is within us. All these Yoga’s that have come up, have been depicted from the experiences of people. Because some people when they try to raise the Kundalini “so called” say they started jumping. So, they said, let us jump and the Kundalini will rise. So some people started taking off their clothes or maybe some such sort of a funny thing like that. They felt heated up. So, people thought let us take off our clothes and we’ll find God. Some people felt some sort of a grip on the stomach or some of them did see also these things happening within. So, they called it a Moolbandha. The ‘bandha’ has taken place, something has gripped there. So, the Kriya Yoga is that, you take out your tongue from here. I mean you cut this thread of the tongue alright, and you push it back, here, touch this tip of the tongue here, normally they are wagging with, it goes on!. Push it back here at the Vishuddhi centre, they think the Vishuddhi is here. You see the problem is that they think the Vishuddhi is here. So, they push it back here. And they think that they will achieve the raising of Kundalini by tickling this .unclear.). It is just the other way around, we are trying, you see. The effect cannot reach the cause. (17.18) You have to go to the root of cause to come to the effect. Did you see my point? Supposing the Vishuddhi Chakra which is here, a very subtle centre behind, is spoilt then the effects are felt, say, here. And your tongue gets affected, your eyes get effected, your nose gets affected, your cheeks get affected, There’s 16 you see. All these can get affected. But by tickling your nose you do not touch you’re Vishuddhi Chakra. Isn’t it? Did you see my point? For example, something goes wrong at the centre from where the electricity is coming here. By tickling it here you cannot correct that one there. You have to go to the roots. Or on a tree you find a fruit. All the fruits are getting rotten. So, by treating the fruit, can you treat the disease? You’ll have to go to the roots. So, these people when they saw all things happening to human beings, they formed different type of methods. All are wrong and all are right. Try to understand, this is a very simple. After realization all of them are right. Before realization all of them are wrong, before your car starts, if you start turning the wheel, or using the brake, you are spoiling the car. When the car has started and you know how to drive and you have become a master of driving, then everything is right. Otherwise the same car which has to drive you from my house to this Ashram will land to somewhere. In the same way, the same thing before realization has no meaning. After realization only you start understanding. So, let us take the case of Hatha Yoga. It is based on centres, no doubt. It is based on “lshwar Pranidhana”, no doubt, all the Ashtangas, all the eight sides of Hatha Yoga. See from human point of view, I’m saying. For them why Hatha Yoga came into being? (21:05) It’s first that they should fix their attention on Ishwara Pranidhana means they must fix the attention into the existence of God. Not blind faith. But to understand that there is God, so that you humble down yourself. Then you should go to a realized soul as a Guru. Guru means a realized soul minimum. Any Tom, Dick and Harry becomes a, Guru, is a nonsense absolutely. He has to be a realized soul and if he is a realized soul, he will say like that. He doesn’t talk of separation, he talks of authority, because he is there, he has that authority. Those who talk of separation and crying and weeping and woes and all that are blind like all others. They have no business to lead you. There’s is no humility about it, I mean if I have a red shawl, I should say, ‘I have a red shawl.’ What is there to feel humble about? I mean whatever you are, there is no harm in saying what you are. When you are not that, when you do not have that and you say that you have, it is arrogance. But when you are there, you have to say. That Christ said, ‘I am the light, I am the path’. I mean he was not trying to be arrogant about it. What is there to feel bad about it? So Hatha Yoga itself is done under a person who is a realized soul. Not only realized but who knows. Who has mastered the art of Shakti-pat is the raising of the Kundalini. Minimum. Of course, Sahaja Yogis just raise it like that, is different. But not any other Yogis can do that. It is only you, because you are authorized, that you can raise the Kundalini just like that. So, what these Hatha-Yogis have done is they have boiled it down to only the physical sense. So, you have to have Ishwarapranidhana, Yama and Niyama and that too before 25 years of age, you have to discipline yourself in a way that you should understand, what is right and what is wrong. Now those who have done all the wrongs of the world before they are 15 years of age, now at the age of 25 are trying to learn what is Yama and Niyama. How can you do it? Tell me now. Supposing you have spoilt the car completely. At the most you can ask for insurance, if you have paid for it. But how can you expect the car to come out absolutely new, as if it has come out from the factory? A horse which has been completely mutilated cannot run a race. Isn’t it? That would be madness. So, one has to understand that these Yama and Niyamas and all these things are not meant for us. At least for the Western people, in any way. Let us accept it whatever it is in experimentation or whatever it is we have committed lots of mistakes or maybe we have been experimenting, again I’ll say the same word. Whatever we have done we have done a lot of harm to ourselves, to our body and to our mind. Because we had nobody to guide us. Alright. We didn’t want to harm ourselves but by mistake it happened. Now what to do? It is a very sad affair. People are sick. They cannot do Hatha-Yoga. The atmosphere is sick. The whole place is sick. They want love, they do not want exercise. They do not want scouts. They want somebody to love them, to heal them, to cure them to establish them. There is no word of love in Hatha Yoga these days because you pay for it. One thing you cannot pay for is your love. Isn’t it? How can you pay for love? And that’s why this modern Hatha Yoga is just a misnomer. But after realization you can use Hatha Yoga because you are purified, you are cleansed, you are healed, your wounds are alright. People are wounded, they are so much hurt. They are extremely unhappy. You touch them and you feel it. Why talk about big things when they do not even have energy to sustain themselves? It is a strain on them. And none of them are realized souls nor masters of Shakti-pat. So that’s why it was said, “you go to a Guru who is a realized soul. Go into the jungles before 25 years of age you should be there and practice under his guidance in complete celibacy in the atmosphere of complete celibacy. (27.51) Now come to Kriya Yoga. When we take to Kriya Yoga, it is taking out the tongue as I said cutting it out and putting it back here to tickle the Vishuddhi Chakra. I mean I don’t know sometimes; your rationality also goes off, I think. By doing anything like that do you think you can excite this great power within you, which is discrimination, which understands each and everything; you cannot befool Her like that. So, all these tricks that we have been trying by ourselves of poking yourself here and poking yourself there, you are just spoiling your instrument for nothing at all. But it happens, when the Kundalini rises through the Vishuddhi chakra, that when the dilation of the Chakra takes place it happens that your tongue is pulled inside. It happens that your eyes get dilated. I hope they do not put Atropine to dilate their eyes to get their Kundalini awakening. So, it happens like that. (Unclear) takes place. The Bandhas take place the stomach holds the kundalini with the Bandhas. It closes down the chakras when the kundalini comes up, it closes itself down automatically so that the energy is kept upwards it is not allowed to fall down. All these things happen within us. These Bandhas happen which some supraconscious people might be seeing and they want to think that if you pull your stomach like this, put your tongue inside. These things happen as a result of kundalini awakening but by doing these things you do not awaken the kundalini. Now did you follow my point? Did you? It is clear now. And that is why these Kriya yoga’s have started, even the jumping has started. Even the nudity has started. All these things as a result of some people who are trying to raise the kundalini. Even in the centre when it rises all these things happen. But when your health is not alright you are sick, your heart is working, labouring very hard to look after your physical being, you try to make it even weaker by taking these strenuous things. And by using the other way round methods, as I told you, you also spoil your instrument like the electricity has to come so the electricity must flow from there If I start blowing from here or poking from here, with frustration also breaking this one here electricity is not going to come, only this will be finished. Do you follow my clear-cut idea? It is very clear cut that if you try to spoil your own instrument you are not going to get the energy to rise within you. But if he was a realized soul then he would tell you first of all he may raise of your kundalini, minimum, awaken your kundalini and ask you to make way for the kundalini to rise gradually. Human beings when they raise their kundalini, they raise it by every chakra. They bring the kundalini to, say, Mooladhara, of course they cannot touch so, the kundalini would come up to, say, nabhi at the most. Then how to keep it there so they will say, “eat less, do not take away your attention too much, you must eat very little food so that there is not much attention on food. Keep yourself detached.” This is before 25 years of age. “Do not starve too much. Eat at regular intervals Do not pay much attention to anywhere outside” so that the attention is kept there and the kundalini does not drop down from the little bit, an inch of progress it has made in 25 years. They are born again and again and they move at the pace of a little ant and they fix your kundalini by nails there and they say don’t lead any adharmic life, you have to lead a very righteous life, like a horse, you see, when you have to train the horse you put these two blinds around so they have to train the horse before it starts really running the race. But with this the most important is the love of the grand parents who are with them, in those days they used to be. To look after the children and the love of the Guru and the training and the discipline of the own self. The gurus who take money from you what are they going to train you up in? Business management or dubious methods or cheating? Their own lives were so beautifully blended with their love, with their knowledge and their whole understanding that it has a direct effect on the character and the personality of the people. Like now in India nobody can write epic like Rama’s. We do not have any Ramas. We won’t have perhaps. Nobody writes, they only write stories. Now we have poems coming out of India like your horrible Lord Byron, he is born in India I think. He has (36.08) left your country. So, like that all the dynamism in literature is also finished because there is no ideal before the people. They cannot think of a perfect personality. So, the epics are different in the same way and when we go to learn these thing to see our Guru (so called) we see their lives. The impression that we have within us is also just the same and they cannot teach anything unless and until they themselves have the light. Now this Kriya Yoga is also just the same thing. It is described by great saints in India that these Jalunder yoga and all this. Jalunder (mun…) and all this Bandhas take place, means the bondage take place in the stomach in the heart and all these granthis are broken and all these things are described. Yes, it happens in you also when the kundalini rises. It does happen because I am quite a big master. I do everything myself. I don’t leave anything to you, till you have got it. Only this thing you have to do is to be absolutely freely choosing the path of self-realization. That’s the only thing you have to do “to be absolutely free”. In all your freedom you have to accept Sahaja Yoga. And if I find you have not chosen it by your freedom you get out of it, very fast, you won’t be there. You will simply run away. If not, I will see to it that you run away. So, one has to understand all these Margas, all these paths, even like Bhakti. I have told you about three types of bhaktas. Are the one’s asking for (kamart…...) So many have come to me for, say, cures, so many of them. It is a good thing. That’s a good chance for me. Then they get cured; then they have that love since they are Mumukshus and they can become very great Sahaja yogis. In India there are many who have come like that they first come for treatment and become very great Sahaja yogis. So, they can pass through all these various stages. So, one has to understand that this is the time of Mahayoga. Where all these Antar yoga means all these happenings inside takes place automatically. I have something to do with your kundalini very much and she knows me very well too. So much so that as soon as she sees Me, she is up there so happy. And the first impact is so great you feel she is got it. She rises with such thumping joy, you get it. But again, you go back to your crutches, even you have lost all your troubles and everything finished. Now still you want to have your crutches because you are identified with them. So, you go back to your crutches and again want to become lame. This is just acting going on for some time. But if you act for a long period you become lame. Because you have been playing games, you see. And now the game is over. So, you have to accept yourself that you are great. And that you have got it now within yourself. It is there now you are a light. You have to accept that you are a light now. You are not the same you were before and you are transformed into this flower. You should have faith in yourself and confidence in you Because you have been so far identified with people like that with bad experiences, indifferent experiences, you do not want to believe that there could be an experience of that kind. You do not want to accept it. But if you understand it a little bit you will settle down nicely and I am here to make you the master of it absolutely the complete mastery over all this. When this Maha yoga comes in, you do not have to worry about anything else. All the yoga’s are at your feet. You just raise your hands just like this and the kundalini will rise. It is a fact you just try. Anybody is sick, you put your hands like this the person is going to be alright. Try yourself. This is Maha yoga. The culmination point of Sahaja Yoga. Once you achieve it then you don’t have to do anything else. Then you become that because only everything works for the Becoming and if there is something that just gives you the whole thing, then why should you do it. (42.41) All things that have happened to you after you have come to sahaja yoga I am going to give you a list of those and what are they are calledin Sanskrit language. Thousands of years people have had to work for it. But you have got it just like that. it is a fact. It is difficult to accept that you have got just like that without doing any hard any big exercises, is not it. But just wait and see what you have got. Of course, some people do not get it because there is a problem. Some problem is there. Doesn’t matter, it will work out. But those who get it should know that they have got it because of something and that something you have to discover. That is what you have to find out for yourself. There is a reason why you have got it like that. Like mantras also you see, somebody told me that there is a guru who gives mantras according to the age. It is all nonsense. Complete nonsense it is with age. You see, even a realized soul would not give you a mantra, that is why it was regarded as a great thing if somebody gave you a mantra. Now every Dick, Tom and Harry like a donkey brazen your ears and you think, it’s a very big mantra. I won’t tell you anything. What mantra I have got. They are trying to befool you; they do not know they are befooling themselves. Whatever they have done they will have to pay very heavily. So, mantras are never given just like that you have to know various points of a person, as to, what is your kula-devata, the worship of your family, what is your personal worshipping God, what is your horoscope, what are the stars you are catching. At this point giving of the mantras, the time is to be determined, at a particular time of the horoscope what is the time of the horoscope that tallies with the Guru’s horoscope also. That is why people used to have hardly one or two people. Even a person like Gyaneshwara gave a name to only one person in his life time. Here these Dick, Tom and Harry are giving names like they are distributing, I do not know what? Nothing is more easily available more than these names of horrible things which have no meaning. If I told these Indians they will know. (Mother speaks Hindi) (46.59) End of talk 1. You should have some sort of an authority which you can use and every mantra which you say will be awakened. You know that after realization it is such a wonderful thing to see that even if you are not yet out of your possession still you work it out. Still nothing happens to your kundalini raising system, nothing happens to that, still you can raise the kundalini. Isn’t it? Still you can give realization to people. You may be possessed all this time, fighting with the spirit but here with one hand you are raising kundalini automatically. There are lots of spirits which are trying to possess you. You are feeling them with one hand that side and with one hand you are raising the kundalini. Nothing would go wrong with the person whose kundalini you are raising. To that purity. Otherwise to give mantra and to take mantra a person has to starve for seven days. Not to see a man’s face or a woman’s face. All sorts of vidhis ( ) are there, then only you can get it. There some people tell the disciple to wash their hands 108 times every day. All sorts of these neti kriyas and all that has to be done before a mantra is given. it is a big ritual. Why ? Because you are so vulnerable. It is like a phosphorus. And you cannot put phosphorous into some body’s hand. You have to make all arrangements till you can do it safely. But supposing you become all powerful then what ? Everything becomes a child’s play. Everything becomes so simple. You are raising the kundalini. You know there are centres. You can raise it through the centres. You know how to awaken them. That is why it is Mahayoga. It had to be this way, sometime, otherwise how are we going to save this world ? How this creation is to be justified ? We have to find. I mean God has to find some method by which all of you who are seeking Him are to be blessed, and that he should be manifested so that His work should be completed. So this is Mahayoga which encompasses all the yoga’s. There is no need, now to go to stone ages to come back to human stage. It is something like that. Or else you can say that now if I have to go to India, I need not go like Columbus and end up in America. Somebody who knows the way has come to you. Who knows everything. All about it. Somebody who has done all this who knows all the tricks of trade and also knows you very well, though still I am learning. About human beings I have still to learn a lot. They can be quite queer. I do not know why they behave like this. Cannot understand, Oh God It is a great revelation sometimes when you see human beings, how they behave. Very interesting. Very interesting creature, I must say, they never behave the same way. You cannot predict. Most unpredictable. Do not know, what they will come out with ? Very interesting. After Sahaja yoga you will also enjoy very much. This is about so many yoga’s I have told you. Now if you have any questions ask me sensible ones, again I say. Ask me questions because I have told you in a short way but later I will give you the complete idea. May God bless you ! [IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION MOTHER ANSWERED THUS …] Now this lama business is all wrong; all I must say very frankly. They do some tricks to spoil this instrument. Hypnotize. Do all kinds of things. It has brought about lots of problems. Now everybody has got it. You have not got it so it is a little problem, does not matter. You have to little bit cooperate with me and you will get it. You must get it. It is my desire. That is your desire also. We meet on this point. Kundalini is the desire of God. Is not desire for God-is the desire of God itself. So it can be only awakened by that desire. It is the desire of God within you that is being blessed and the desire of God is the shakti. And the desire of God is that He loves you. His desire is to give you all His powers and all his loving capacity. This is His desire. It is placed within you and is dormant. So when it rises, His desire is fulfilled. And that is how you get your fulfillment. Unless and until you are God, you cannot command desire of God. But after realization He gives you, bestows His power that you can manoeuvre His desire. You can raise the kundalini in the people which is the desire of God. And you can make Him desire. That is the greatest one can achieve.

Lecture “The Meaning of Yoga”. Dollis Hill Ashram, London (UK), 11 November 1979. From this wheat, a germ is born. That's something that is born with you, that is innately built in you, which sprouts by itself in you, which manifests itself. Like you can see a seed sprouting into a tree, this is what is "sahaja". Now all other yogas which go along with it, are part and parcel of Sahaja Yoga. They cannot be separated from this to that. I think people are under a misunderstanding that there are four limbs of one Yoga or something like that. Even that won’t be a misunderstanding as to think that they are separated or different.When we say that we have eaten this food, it doesn’t mean like a bolt it has gone inside, in the body, and just passed out of the body like a bolt coming out, does it? It means that you have tasted the food in your mouth. It means that it has secreted some saliva in the mouth, later on in the lip. It has passed through the trachea and the other places like, you can call, what is it?Sahaja Yogi: Oesophagus.Shri Mataji: Oesophagus, going down into the stomach part and then to the intestines and then to the larger intestines. All this movement and passage and all that is done through the other kind of movement which is existing in the organs itself like the stomach itself pushing it down, coming from your brain. The sympathetic and the parasympathetic coming into play and working it out. It is a big system and organization that is working it out. Now if you want to separate it; that the digestive system is different, the respiratory system is different, and your heart system is different, or some other brain system is different or nervous system is different, I mean you can’t take it out like that, a brain hanging on one side and your digestive system hanging on the other. It is one integrated form of organization which is a living organization, which understands each other, which reacts to the demands. You cannot separate these systems. But as it is, our brains are so disintegrated or they are good at that disintegrating everything within us and without, that we want to disintegrate the living thing which is Yoga. Yoga is not a dead organization. It’s a living process. Absolutely a living process. When it is a living process, you cannot do anything about it, so, it is "sahaja".At the most, you can a little bit shift it here and there and push it around and all that. If a tree is coming up, like in Japan, they want to give it a shape, then they will cut one branch first and bend it a little more. Then cut another one. Then bend it this way, that way and give it a shape. But whatever is living is working out spontaneously within us with many complicated organizations which are living themselves and are aware of what they are doing. For example, your body is much more aware of Me than your rationalities. Say, you are a possessed person. You won’t accept that you are possessed, you won’t accept. I won’t say myself also because I don’t want to get every kind of thing which is in stock there, you see. I know human beings, that if you tell them something like that you could be out for any sort of trouble, you see. So, I don’t tell you. But the body knows Me. When you come before Me, the whole body shakes, just like that. Malcom, is it true or not? Tell me? [Shri Mataji laughs] Because it is a living body, it knows Me, it is not a dead body. So, whatever is living, is so well looked after, organized and in a living way which we do not understand because we deal with the dead. Suppose I have to start this instrument then I have to know that there must be a cord that I have to put to the mains. I always say that Sahaja Yoga is like that; you take out your cord and put it to the mains. I say like that. But do you think it is that simple? You believe that? That you just pull out the Kundalini from there and put to the mains? No, it is not. When the sprouting of the Kundalini starts, when awakening starts it passes through the various centres, how? How will you explain the Kundalini which is at the base end of your spinal cord rising upward? Now, If I tell you that this is even more than your digestive system, that the Kundalini which is an energy as we call it and which thinks, understands and loves you and knows each and everything about you in this life and life before. If she is so capable, and if she knows everything then she is entity by itself. And if she has to come up to your head, is it easy? It is the most difficult thing. If you have a stone lying somewhere, you can pick it up and throw it wherever you like, isn’t it simple. Even if there is a little worm it knows how to get out of the way of a big bull coming around. And a bull, if it sits anywhere, impossible to raise it. You try your level best. There are some very drastic methods for that in India. You have to burn some red chilies and put that smoke in the nose of the bull, like that. Then only the bull will rise. Otherwise you try anything it won’t rise. It will be settling itself nicely on the ground. So, you come across such bulls also. Sometimes it happens like that. But to make this Kundalini, which thinks, understands, is the individual mother of an individual which has been born with you all the time, who knows all about you and who loves you most and She is ‘the one who is going to give your realization, your second birth. She is your mother. This kind of a Kundalini that exists within us must be the most difficult person to rise. Has to be. That is why people say, Kundalini raising is very difficult. Is correct. So, one has to find the methods of how to make the bull rise. Because this Kundalini is “absolute Dharma”, is absolute righteousness, absolute purity, ideal-most personality that you could think of, which does not tolerate any nonsense, falsehood, untruth, anything like that. (10.27) She is Nirmala you can call Her. She is Pure, She is Purity personified. She does not accept any nonsense, no compromise She is within you. See how beautiful you are. She is not afraid of anyone, She cannot be enticed, enchanted or tempted by anything. And She Loves but Her Love is that pure that nothing is higher for Her than her own love. She never reconciles to anything. And she is the one who is going to give you your self-realization. So, for human beings who know about it, they have to find out methods of pleasing Her. What makes Her so unhappy? Why doesn’t She want to rise? They have to find out the means and methods. And as a result of that probing has brought forth other Yoga’s, which we call as Raj-Yoga or they call it as Hatha-Yoga, or the third one they call as Kriya Yoga (1 think Kriya and Raj is about the same) and Bhakti Yoga and Gyan Yoga and Karam Yoga. All these are the methods human beings want to employ to make the bull rise. (Mother laughs) When they get frustrated, they want to hang themselves by the nearest tree. So, that also is another frustrated Yoga. Then Sadistic Yoga, then beating Yoga’s, then beating others Yoga’s then it goes on like that, you see, flowering into better and better things. Then fanaticism, because human beings find it difficult to sit still, they get a challenge. “Oh, this bull does not rise, I will make it rise.” Moreover, they haven’t got the authority. Even those who are self-realized they have no knowledge because Kundalini is not made by them. Like, even if I get this machinery, I do not know how to handle it, how to use it? I may try but I may burn my hands instead. Such a hotch potch of (13.56) endeavour brings forth so many yoga’s in this world. And everybody is baffled at it that how it is that there are so many Yoga’s and whether we should do this Yoga and that Yoga and Buddha or Mahavira or Christ or this and that or what is it. Then Church Yoga and voodoos And what is wrong in witchcraft? somebody said the other day. Nothing wrong but the bull will be settle down better, it won’t rise then with voodoo. Now, so they have tried to find out what should we do now? Stand on your heads, bull won’t rise, no it won’t. Break your necks? It won’t. So, what should we do? So, we should know what is a Kundalini that is within us. All these Yoga’s that have come up, have been depicted from the experiences of people. Because some people when they try to raise the Kundalini “so called” say they started jumping. So, they said, let us jump and the Kundalini will rise. So some people started taking off their clothes or maybe some such sort of a funny thing like that. They felt heated up. So, people thought let us take off our clothes and we’ll find God. Some people felt some sort of a grip on the stomach or some of them did see also these things happening within. So, they called it a Moolbandha. The ‘bandha’ has taken place, something has gripped there. So, the Kriya Yoga is that, you take out your tongue from here. I mean you cut this thread of the tongue alright, and you push it back, here, touch this tip of the tongue here, normally they are wagging with, it goes on!. Push it back here at the Vishuddhi centre, they think the Vishuddhi is here. You see the problem is that they think the Vishuddhi is here. So, they push it back here. And they think that they will achieve the raising of Kundalini by tickling this .unclear.). It is just the other way around, we are trying, you see. The effect cannot reach the cause. (17.18) You have to go to the root of cause to come to the effect. Did you see my point? Supposing the Vishuddhi Chakra which is here, a very subtle centre behind, is spoilt then the effects are felt, say, here. And your tongue gets affected, your eyes get effected, your nose gets affected, your cheeks get affected, There’s 16 you see. All these can get affected. But by tickling your nose you do not touch you’re Vishuddhi Chakra. Isn’t it? Did you see my point? For example, something goes wrong at the centre from where the electricity is coming here. By tickling it here you cannot correct that one there. You have to go to the roots. Or on a tree you find a fruit. All the fruits are getting rotten. So, by treating the fruit, can you treat the disease? You’ll have to go to the roots. So, these people when they saw all things happening to human beings, they formed different type of methods. All are wrong and all are right. Try to understand, this is a very simple. After realization all of them are right. Before realization all of them are wrong, before your car starts, if you start turning the wheel, or using the brake, you are spoiling the car. When the car has started and you know how to drive and you have become a master of driving, then everything is right. Otherwise the same car which has to drive you from my house to this Ashram will land to somewhere. In the same way, the same thing before realization has no meaning. After realization only you start understanding. So, let us take the case of Hatha Yoga. It is based on centres, no doubt. It is based on “lshwar Pranidhana”, no doubt, all the Ashtangas, all the eight sides of Hatha Yoga. See from human point of view, I’m saying. For them why Hatha Yoga came into being? (21:05) It’s first that they should fix their attention on Ishwara Pranidhana means they must fix the attention into the existence of God. Not blind faith. But to understand that there is God, so that you humble down yourself. Then you should go to a realized soul as a Guru. Guru means a realized soul minimum. Any Tom, Dick and Harry becomes a, Guru, is a nonsense absolutely. He has to be a realized soul and if he is a realized soul, he will say like that. He doesn’t talk of separation, he talks of authority, because he is there, he has that authority. Those who talk of separation and crying and weeping and woes and all that are blind like all others. They have no business to lead you. There’s is no humility about it, I mean if I have a red shawl, I should say, ‘I have a red shawl.’ What is there to feel humble about? I mean whatever you are, there is no harm in saying what you are. When you are not that, when you do not have that and you say that you have, it is arrogance. But when you are there, you have to say. That Christ said, ‘I am the light, I am the path’. I mean he was not trying to be arrogant about it. What is there to feel bad about it? So Hatha Yoga itself is done under a person who is a realized soul. Not only realized but who knows. Who has mastered the art of Shakti-pat is the raising of the Kundalini. Minimum. Of course, Sahaja Yogis just raise it like that, is different. But not any other Yogis can do that. It is only you, because you are authorized, that you can raise the Kundalini just like that. So, what these Hatha-Yogis have done is they have boiled it down to only the physical sense. So, you have to have Ishwarapranidhana, Yama and Niyama and that too before 25 years of age, you have to discipline yourself in a way that you should understand, what is right and what is wrong. Now those who have done all the wrongs of the world before they are 15 years of age, now at the age of 25 are trying to learn what is Yama and Niyama. How can you do it? Tell me now. Supposing you have spoilt the car completely. At the most you can ask for insurance, if you have paid for it. But how can you expect the car to come out absolutely new, as if it has come out from the factory? A horse which has been completely mutilated cannot run a race. Isn’t it? That would be madness. So, one has to understand that these Yama and Niyamas and all these things are not meant for us. At least for the Western people, in any way. Let us accept it whatever it is in experimentation or whatever it is we have committed lots of mistakes or maybe we have been experimenting, again I’ll say the same word. Whatever we have done we have done a lot of harm to ourselves, to our body and to our mind. Because we had nobody to guide us. Alright. We didn’t want to harm ourselves but by mistake it happened. Now what to do? It is a very sad affair. People are sick. They cannot do Hatha-Yoga. The atmosphere is sick. The whole place is sick. They want love, they do not want exercise. They do not want scouts. They want somebody to love them, to heal them, to cure them to establish them. There is no word of love in Hatha Yoga these days because you pay for it. One thing you cannot pay for is your love. Isn’t it? How can you pay for love? And that’s why this modern Hatha Yoga is just a misnomer. But after realization you can use Hatha Yoga because you are purified, you are cleansed, you are healed, your wounds are alright. People are wounded, they are so much hurt. They are extremely unhappy. You touch them and you feel it. Why talk about big things when they do not even have energy to sustain themselves? It is a strain on them. And none of them are realized souls nor masters of Shakti-pat. So that’s why it was said, “you go to a Guru who is a realized soul. Go into the jungles before 25 years of age you should be there and practice under his guidance in complete celibacy in the atmosphere of complete celibacy. (27.51) Now come to Kriya Yoga. When we take to Kriya Yoga, it is taking out the tongue as I said cutting it out and putting it back here to tickle the Vishuddhi Chakra. I mean I don’t know sometimes; your rationality also goes off, I think. By doing anything like that do you think you can excite this great power within you, which is discrimination, which understands each and everything; you cannot befool Her like that. So, all these tricks that we have been trying by ourselves of poking yourself here and poking yourself there, you are just spoiling your instrument for nothing at all. But it happens, when the Kundalini rises through the Vishuddhi chakra, that when the dilation of the Chakra takes place it happens that your tongue is pulled inside. It happens that your eyes get dilated. I hope they do not put Atropine to dilate their eyes to get their Kundalini awakening. So, it happens like that. (Unclear) takes place. The Bandhas take place the stomach holds the kundalini with the Bandhas. It closes down the chakras when the kundalini comes up, it closes itself down automatically so that the energy is kept upwards it is not allowed to fall down. All these things happen within us. These Bandhas happen which some supraconscious people might be seeing and they want to think that if you pull your stomach like this, put your tongue inside. These things happen as a result of kundalini awakening but by doing these things you do not awaken the kundalini. Now did you follow my point? Did you? It is clear now. And that is why these Kriya yoga’s have started, even the jumping has started. Even the nudity has started. All these things as a result of some people who are trying to raise the kundalini. Even in the centre when it rises all these things happen. But when your health is not alright you are sick, your heart is working, labouring very hard to look after your physical being, you try to make it even weaker by taking these strenuous things. And by using the other way round methods, as I told you, you also spoil your instrument like the electricity has to come so the electricity must flow from there If I start blowing from here or poking from here, with frustration also breaking this one here electricity is not going to come, only this will be finished. Do you follow my clear-cut idea? It is very clear cut that if you try to spoil your own instrument you are not going to get the energy to rise within you. But if he was a realized soul then he would tell you first of all he may raise of your kundalini, minimum, awaken your kundalini and ask you to make way for the kundalini to rise gradually. Human beings when they raise their kundalini, they raise it by every chakra. They bring the kundalini to, say, Mooladhara, of course they cannot touch so, the kundalini would come up to, say, nabhi at the most. Then how to keep it there so they will say, “eat less, do not take away your attention too much, you must eat very little food so that there is not much attention on food. Keep yourself detached.” This is before 25 years of age. “Do not starve too much. Eat at regular intervals Do not pay much attention to anywhere outside” so that the attention is kept there and the kundalini does not drop down from the little bit, an inch of progress it has made in 25 years. They are born again and again and they move at the pace of a little ant and they fix your kundalini by nails there and they say don’t lead any adharmic life, you have to lead a very righteous life, like a horse, you see, when you have to train the horse you put these two blinds around so they have to train the horse before it starts really running the race. But with this the most important is the love of the grand parents who are with them, in those days they used to be. To look after the children and the love of the Guru and the training and the discipline of the own self. The gurus who take money from you what are they going to train you up in? Business management or dubious methods or cheating? Their own lives were so beautifully blended with their love, with their knowledge and their whole understanding that it has a direct effect on the character and the personality of the people. Like now in India nobody can write epic like Rama’s. We do not have any Ramas. We won’t have perhaps. Nobody writes, they only write stories. Now we have poems coming out of India like your horrible Lord Byron, he is born in India I think. He has (36.08) left your country. So, like that all the dynamism in literature is also finished because there is no ideal before the people. They cannot think of a perfect personality. So, the epics are different in the same way and when we go to learn these thing to see our Guru (so called) we see their lives. The impression that we have within us is also just the same and they cannot teach anything unless and until they themselves have the light. Now this Kriya Yoga is also just the same thing. It is described by great saints in India that these Jalunder yoga and all this. Jalunder (mun…) and all this Bandhas take place, means the bondage take place in the stomach in the heart and all these granthis are broken and all these things are described. Yes, it happens in you also when the kundalini rises. It does happen because I am quite a big master. I do everything myself. I don’t leave anything to you, till you have got it. Only this thing you have to do is to be absolutely freely choosing the path of self-realization. That’s the only thing you have to do “to be absolutely free”. In all your freedom you have to accept Sahaja Yoga. And if I find you have not chosen it by your freedom you get out of it, very fast, you won’t be there. You will simply run away. If not, I will see to it that you run away. So, one has to understand all these Margas, all these paths, even like Bhakti. I have told you about three types of bhaktas. Are the one’s asking for (kamart…...) So many have come to me for, say, cures, so many of them. It is a good thing. That’s a good chance for me. Then they get cured; then they have that love since they are Mumukshus and they can become very great Sahaja yogis. In India there are many who have come like that they first come for treatment and become very great Sahaja yogis. So, they can pass through all these various stages. So, one has to understand that this is the time of Mahayoga. Where all these Antar yoga means all these happenings inside takes place automatically. I have something to do with your kundalini very much and she knows me very well too. So much so that as soon as she sees Me, she is up there so happy. And the first impact is so great you feel she is got it. She rises with such thumping joy, you get it. But again, you go back to your crutches, even you have lost all your troubles and everything finished. Now still you want to have your crutches because you are identified with them. So, you go back to your crutches and again want to become lame. This is just acting going on for some time. But if you act for a long period you become lame. Because you have been playing games, you see. And now the game is over. So, you have to accept yourself that you are great. And that you have got it now within yourself. It is there now you are a light. You have to accept that you are a light now. You are not the same you were before and you are transformed into this flower. You should have faith in yourself and confidence in you Because you have been so far identified with people like that with bad experiences, indifferent experiences, you do not want to believe that there could be an experience of that kind. You do not want to accept it. But if you understand it a little bit you will settle down nicely and I am here to make you the master of it absolutely the complete mastery over all this. When this Maha yoga comes in, you do not have to worry about anything else. All the yoga’s are at your feet. You just raise your hands just like this and the kundalini will rise. It is a fact you just try. Anybody is sick, you put your hands like this the person is going to be alright. Try yourself. This is Maha yoga. The culmination point of Sahaja Yoga. Once you achieve it then you don’t have to do anything else. Then you become that because only everything works for the Becoming and if there is something that just gives you the whole thing, then why should you do it. (42.41) All things that have happened to you after you have come to sahaja yoga I am going to give you a list of those and what are they are calledin Sanskrit language. Thousands of years people have had to work for it. But you have got it just like that. it is a fact. It is difficult to accept that you have got just like that without doing any hard any big exercises, is not it. But just wait and see what you have got. Of course, some people do not get it because there is a problem. Some problem is there. Doesn’t matter, it will work out. But those who get it should know that they have got it because of something and that something you have to discover. That is what you have to find out for yourself. There is a reason why you have got it like that. Like mantras also you see, somebody told me that there is a guru who gives mantras according to the age. It is all nonsense. Complete nonsense it is with age. You see, even a realized soul would not give you a mantra, that is why it was regarded as a great thing if somebody gave you a mantra. Now every Dick, Tom and Harry like a donkey brazen your ears and you think, it’s a very big mantra. I won’t tell you anything. What mantra I have got. They are trying to befool you; they do not know they are befooling themselves. Whatever they have done they will have to pay very heavily. So, mantras are never given just like that you have to know various points of a person, as to, what is your kula-devata, the worship of your family, what is your personal worshipping God, what is your horoscope, what are the stars you are catching. At this point giving of the mantras, the time is to be determined, at a particular time of the horoscope what is the time of the horoscope that tallies with the Guru’s horoscope also. That is why people used to have hardly one or two people. Even a person like Gyaneshwara gave a name to only one person in his life time. Here these Dick, Tom and Harry are giving names like they are distributing, I do not know what? Nothing is more easily available more than these names of horrible things which have no meaning. If I told these Indians they will know. (Mother speaks Hindi) (46.59) End of talk 1. You should have some sort of an authority which you can use and every mantra which you say will be awakened. You know that after realization it is such a wonderful thing to see that even if you are not yet out of your possession still you work it out. Still nothing happens to your kundalini raising system, nothing happens to that, still you can raise the kundalini. Isn’t it? Still you can give realization to people. You may be possessed all this time, fighting with the spirit but here with one hand you are raising kundalini automatically. There are lots of spirits which are trying to possess you. You are feeling them with one hand that side and with one hand you are raising the kundalini. Nothing would go wrong with the person whose kundalini you are raising. To that purity. Otherwise to give mantra and to take mantra a person has to starve for seven days. Not to see a man’s face or a woman’s face. All sorts of vidhis ( ) are there, then only you can get it. There some people tell the disciple to wash their hands 108 times every day. All sorts of these neti kriyas and all that has to be done before a mantra is given. it is a big ritual. Why ? Because you are so vulnerable. It is like a phosphorus. And you cannot put phosphorous into some body’s hand. You have to make all arrangements till you can do it safely. But supposing you become all powerful then what ? Everything becomes a child’s play. Everything becomes so simple. You are raising the kundalini. You know there are centres. You can raise it through the centres. You know how to awaken them. That is why it is Mahayoga. It had to be this way, sometime, otherwise how are we going to save this world ? How this creation is to be justified ? We have to find. I mean God has to find some method by which all of you who are seeking Him are to be blessed, and that he should be manifested so that His work should be completed. So this is Mahayoga which encompasses all the yoga’s. There is no need, now to go to stone ages to come back to human stage. It is something like that. Or else you can say that now if I have to go to India, I need not go like Columbus and end up in America. Somebody who knows the way has come to you. Who knows everything. All about it. Somebody who has done all this who knows all the tricks of trade and also knows you very well, though still I am learning. About human beings I have still to learn a lot. They can be quite queer. I do not know why they behave like this. Cannot understand, Oh God It is a great revelation sometimes when you see human beings, how they behave. Very interesting. Very interesting creature, I must say, they never behave the same way. You cannot predict. Most unpredictable. Do not know, what they will come out with ? Very interesting. After Sahaja yoga you will also enjoy very much. This is about so many yoga’s I have told you. Now if you have any questions ask me sensible ones, again I say. Ask me questions because I have told you in a short way but later I will give you the complete idea. May God bless you ! [IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION MOTHER ANSWERED THUS …] Now this lama business is all wrong; all I must say very frankly. They do some tricks to spoil this instrument. Hypnotize. Do all kinds of things. It has brought about lots of problems. Now everybody has got it. You have not got it so it is a little problem, does not matter. You have to little bit cooperate with me and you will get it. You must get it. It is my desire. That is your desire also. We meet on this point. Kundalini is the desire of God. Is not desire for God-is the desire of God itself. So it can be only awakened by that desire. It is the desire of God within you that is being blessed and the desire of God is the shakti. And the desire of God is that He loves you. His desire is to give you all His powers and all his loving capacity. This is His desire. It is placed within you and is dormant. So when it rises, His desire is fulfilled. And that is how you get your fulfillment. Unless and until you are God, you cannot command desire of God. But after realization He gives you, bestows His power that you can manoeuvre His desire. You can raise the kundalini in the people which is the desire of God. And you can make Him desire. That is the greatest one can achieve.

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Public Program, "The Significance of Brighton". Brighton (UK), 15 November 1979. The name itself is so beautiful - Brighton. It has to brighten the whole country. I have been here twice before also, and I always felt that if a chance is given to Me in this place, we can really start Sahaja Yoga in a big way and can one day this become a pilgrimage. There are mixed vibrations in Brighton. You have the sea. Also, the mother earth here has a special significance, but when something Divine starts emitting itself, the evil comes in a disguise and accumulates in that place, and starts fighting, fighting the Divine, and that's how it's a very mixed vibrations I felt in Brighton. But on the whole it is a very good place where Sahaja Yoga can prosper. They must have told you about Sahaja Yoga. 'Saha' is 'with', 'ja' is 'born with you'. This is the Yoga, this is the Union that you are seeking with the Divine, is born with you. It is within you. Everybody has said, "You seek Him within yourself [your Self]". Even Christ said, "You seek Him within yourself," that means you have to seek, it is your freedom which cannot be challenged. You have to ask for it. For example, if God could at this stage of human awareness transform you to higher awareness without you coming into that play, your freedom coming into that play, He would have done it long time back. But he cannot. You have to choose Divine in your own freedom. You are seeking, definitely. Perhaps you do not know what you are seeking. But one thing is definite, you are not satisfied with whatever you are. You think there is something beyond which you have to seek. Maybe some of you know, some of you do not know, what you have to seek. But there is something beyond, no doubt, which has been told to you by all the prophets, by all the scriptures, by all the great incarnations that came on this earth. It has been promised also, that you will be judged one day. The judgement, will be first your own, of yourself [your Self], whether you are seeking the Divine or some sort of a frivolous thing. If you are seeking the Reality and the Truth, then only you are going to be chosen, then only you are going to become the citizen of God's Kingdom. Now, let's see who is this God and what am I talking about. In the beginning, it was just a Silence, complete Silence. And out of the Silence, when it awakened, the Silence was awakened. That Silence is called as "Parama-Brahma", in Sanskrit language. I am sorry, I have to use Sanskrit language, it doesn't mean that it is something Hindu. These ideas you must get rid of. Because in India, people have meditated much more, they didn't have to fight the Nature like the one we were fighting now coming down to the hall. The atmosphere is so nice and warm, people can live even under a tree. They had lot of time, they didn't have to fight the Nature so much, so they had lot of time to meditate. And in their meditations they have found out certain things, for which they have used Sanskrit language. So, this Parama-Brahma or you can call it this Silence, the Absolute Silence, was awakened, got awakened because it itself got awakened, like we sleep and we get awakened. And then this Silence became what you call Sadashiva when it was awakened and when this Sadashiva started breaking, in the sense that It wanted, It desired to create. As we say, that the morning sun is breaking through the dawn, in the same way, when His desire started manifesting, His desire became His power and It got separated from Him. Now, whatever I say is just a story for you, you need not believe it, but I will reach up to a point where you will see something which you can believe into and then gradually, step by step, you can believe into this theory. This is just a hypothesis for you. So, when this desire became a power, His power, It was called as Shakti or Mahashakti or Adi [Shakti] means 'Primordial Power'. This Primordial Power assumed a personality and entity. It had to, if It had to act. If you have only a desire in your heart, it's no good. We have to transform it into some form otherwise it will, the desire will rise and it will fall off. So, this desire got into a form, we can say, or entity which is called in the Bible as Holy Ghost and in the Sanskrit language as Adishakti. This desire, then created out of itself two more powers, one to act and one to improve on its own creation. Like that, three powers started acting and these three powers were created. Now, as we know that people have not talked about Holy Ghost much in the Bible nor in many of these scriptures which have talked about the Father, have been able to talk about the Holy Ghost specially when Christ's Mother Herself was an incarnation of Holy Ghost, He didn't want to endanger Her life, He didn't even say that She was the incarnation of Holy Ghost because if they had crucified Her, He would have come out in His own destructive powers. But, the drama was to be played and She remained a silent person. Now, this Holy Ghost is important for us because Father is just a witness. He is witnessing the play, the game that Holy Ghost is going to play. He is going to enjoy Her creation. He is the only Witness of that game and She is trying to please Him by creating this. Because it was His desire to create, so She created with these three forces we have got, which I call: the first the Desire (Mahakali); then the second one was the Action (Mahasaraswati); and the third one is the Sustenance or you can call it the Evolution (Mahalakshmi). These three powers acted to create us, human beings. Now we are at a stage where we have reached, where one can talk about these things. Even at the time of Christ, one could not talk of the Holy Ghost. What could you do with these fishermen? Just tell Me, how could you tell them about these things? That was just a preparatory thing, but you know what a mess they have done. Quite a mess is there and people can't understand those who call themselves religious. How could they be fanatic? Fanaticism and religion are at dagger's ends. They cannot be one thing. You can see now in Iran, now. You can see anywhere, people, if they are fanatics, how irreligious they are, because Religion is Love. God is Love, and none of these "religious people" have expressed that love, so far, in a way it should be expressed. Nor have they taken over the work of seeking God. But other things they are doing, like philanthropic work they'll do, collecting funds or having a jumble sale or sort of a thing. That's not the job of a person who is seeking God. Under these circumstances, when we are face to face with people who are so-called religious, who have organized religions, disorganized religions, then fake people, we really get absolutely frustrated, we get flabbergasted and we do not know what are we to do because we are born seekers. We are born as seekers. We might have made mistakes in seeking but we are definitely seekers. If you were not seekers you would have been happy attending some dinner or a ball somewhere. But, no. There is something beyond, something beautiful beyond, which is being promised, which you feel there is, you are aware of it - the existence of that beauty, you are aware of it - but so far you have not reached to the source. And that's why you are seeking. Now, these three powers are within us also acting and they have shown here, if you see (indicating the chart), on the left hand side is this blue line that is going down, is the power of our desiring by which we desire, by which we express our emotions, and when this desire is no more left in us - in the sense that this power, when it disappears within us - then we also disappear. And they have not shown the Spirit but, if you see this yellow lime thickened, say that that is the Spirit they have tried to show, this Spirit is the reflection of Father God or the Witness God, Who is within us in our heart, while these three powers have created like a curtain between our attention and between Him. Now the attention exists in this green coloured Void. It is sustained by our liver, and that's how these three curtains keep us away from that Spirit. We cannot see that Spirit, we cannot feel it. We cannot manifest it, but we know there is someone who knows us. In Gita, it is called as "Kshetragnya", the One who is the knower of the field. So, we know there is a knower, and the knower knows all about you, and is tape-recording all that you have been doing, your seeking, your mistakes, your turbulence, all kinds of things you have gone through - all is recorded in that tape and that tape is placed down below there, in the triangular bone which is called as the Kundalini. This is the residual energy of our desire - means when the whole universe was created, this energy of desire, Adishakti, after creating the whole, She remains the whole because She is complete, you can say. It's very easy to understand. Supposing there is a light here and I put a film here, the whole film is reflected but the film is intact. In the same way after projecting Itself, whatever remains, is the residual energy, is this Kundalini - means you are the complete projection of that Kundalini, that power which is desire power, which manifests later on into these two powers: the right side power, the one you see with the yellow colour - it's called the power of action; and the central power, which you have achieved up to a point and the rest is a Void - you can see [where] the dotted lines are - is the power which is responsible for your evolution from amoeba to this stage. We should ask a question, "Why did we become human beings from amoeba to this stage?" Supposing I have some bolts, nuts, this, that, and I gather them together, then anybody would ask, "Why are you making this?" So I can tell, "I am making a microphone." But this microphone also has got a thread here. It is to be put to the mains. Unless and until it is put to the mains, this is not going to work out. And this is what we have got - these three powers, and the residual power there which is the desire power, which is just sitting down there, which is going to desire your rebirth, It's your own Mother, and when She desires it, She comes into action only when She sees somebody who's an authority, who has a power to raise Her, who loves the same way as She loves you, then only She rises, not by any tricks, by standing on your head, or having an exercise, or beating people or all sorts of things. They have devised now, it is a spontaneous thing - Sahaja. Sa-ha-ja. Spontaneously it rises. I mean, supposing now somebody comes to Me: "Can you guarantee that my Kundalini will be awakened? Or not." I say, "No, Sir. I am sorry. May be, may not be. If you do not argue too much, then it will." Why? What happens with arguments? I must tell you what happens. I mean - I don t mean you should not argue, you must argue because I know you have a problem - you are too identified with arguments, you can't help it. Doesn't matter. But when you argue, you use this power which is on the right hand side. By thinking, what happens is that you create that yellow stuff there and that yellow stuff in common words is Mr. E-go. And when you think, this ego rises like that and goes on pressing the other one that is the Superego which comes from your conditionings. So this Ego, when it sits on this one like that, how are we to raise the Kundalini, because what happens is that there is no place, no space. It has to be balanced like that. The more you argue, the more it goes on like that. By argument, I cannot raise the Kundalini. That's why I say, "For the time being let Me see about it. Don't argue just now". But, then people don't like it, you see, they feel challenged. So I say, "All right go ahead." But what happens when you start arguing, the thoughts go on pressing you and that is why you cannot do it by any argument, by reading a book. You cannot pay for it. It's absolutely impossible to pay for it. God doesn't have a shop. No, He doesn't know shopping, nor you can organize Him. We cannot organize God. He has to organize us. So, any sort of an organized thing cannot work it out. It's absolutely like sprouting a seed. You just put it in the soil, put some water - as I say I put some water of Love, I give you some water of Love - then it sprouts by itself. You have a seed, you have the primule, you have a sprout inside, and everything is just ready. It has to happen. By getting angry, it doesn't work out. By anything that you can do, it cannot work out. You have to be effortless. You cannot put in effort for sprouting a seed. You cannot even transform a flower into a fruit. Actually we don't do much. What we do is dead. Whatever is dead we change into another, then we change into another. That's all. We have done nothing living. This is a living process and all living processes are to be achieved through spontaneity. So, spontaneously it rises. It touches your Sahasrara and you start getting the cool breeze in your hand. Now, apart from the Indian Scriptures, where it is described as Saleelam-Saleelam, this cool breeze, and cool breeze comes on you like a wave. Also in the Bible you have read that, it is the cool breeze. So, the whole power is this power of desire which has manifested into these three powers, this Adishakti, is the cool breeze. It's like a cool breeze. And it is All-Pervading. When this Kundalini rises she passes through these centers - of course there's no time for Me to explain all those centres now - and touches you. Now these centers are the subtle centers below our plexuses, which we know in our medical science that these are the plexuses we have got within ourselves. And then you become Self-Realized. I cannot give you a lecture on that or a brain-washing, you become Collectively Conscious. It's actualization that we should seek. It has to happen within you, so that you become that - is not just by branding anybody 'you are a Sahaja Yogi' - it cannot be. A Sahaja Yogi has to get the real baptism. His fontanel bone has to become soft and the Kundalini has to pierce it, then only he is a Sahaja Yogi. You cannot have membership, you cannot have anything like that. It is so spontaneous, and if it has not happened in you, then you are not a Sahaja Yogi. Till it has happened, you are still seeking. But it just takes a split of a second to happen in people - like children I would say. But it can take quite a lot of time with some people, because we have tried to harm ourselves, destroy ourselves. Actually in this country [U.K.] I have seen that there are very beautiful people born, very genuine, honest, humble. Great seekers of the past, of ancient times have been blessed to be born in this country, and also in America. But, they became impatient, and in their impatience, they have tried to destroy themselves. And that's how if you have destroyed those centers, then there will be a little problem for a short time. We'll work it out. But you have to have it. You are born for this. This is evolution which has to take place. You have to know your Self. That's your right. You must get it. But the way is not demanding, but asking for it. "Blessed are meek, blessed are those who are meek" has been already said before. That meekness is important, not your arrogance. If you sit on My head and say, "Give us realization", you see that is not the way. I am not the one who is giving, I should say, but it's you who are receiving it. Like the river Ganges flows you see, if you throw stones in her, you cannot get water out of her. You have to take a pitcher, a hollow pitcher, and dip it inside, and it will fill by itself. So it is your own asking which receives that fulfilment, and you have to find out that fulfilment. Without that you cannot be happy. Now we have Sahaja Yogis in London of course, we are progressing with the pace of an ant, I should say. The reason is, it is Reality. You see all other organizations spread because you pay the money and you become the great minister of state there, something like that. And you wear a locket, you become the great disciple of a great fake guru you see, or something like that. It is very easy to do that way, isn't it? But to become a Sahaja Yogi, you have to face yourself, you have to see yourself, and then the beauty, when it dawns upon you, you can see that it is the Truth that you have to receive and I have to do it. You should not feel obliged, because that's My Job. I am paid for that, you can say. Giving you realization is My Own Job. I have to do it. Your job is to take it, because that's what you are here for. It's no question of any obligation. It's Love, just Love. I have to love you and you have to receive the love from Me. It just flows, it emits, only I am telling you the way how to receive it. But our human love, you see, is so aggressive that we cannot understand someone who says, "I love you". We'll run away, "You love me, then I'd better run away", because love means possession. You see human love is such, love means domination, is aggression. This is just Love which soothes you, which raises you to a new awareness, by which you can feel on your fingers, as it's shown there, the complete enlightenment, and your hands can tell you what centers are there, what centers are catching, in you and in others. There are so many blessings of Sahaja Yoga, which I hope to tell you about when we have a seminar perhaps there, and all these people can tell you also. But I don't know what are your problems. I would like to talk to you if there are any problem or question - but not too long because Sahaja Yogis get quite worried about it. The reason is they all have asked Me questions, you know, quite a lot, they feel quite ashamed to remember that, firstly. Secondly, they feel excited that why aren't you getting your realisation you see, why are you asking questions - better have it, is in your hands. So they don't like it. And thirdly, they find sometimes that you are asking questions of no value to yourselves or to anyone. So, one thing if you remember, there is nothing selling here. You have not paid for it. It's something that's just flowing, you see. Such a thing, no-one knows of, you see, in this world. It's just flowing, something beautiful. If you have seen a scene somewhere, beautiful scene, you just watch it. In the same way, if [with] that attitude if you come, just to open your eyes to that, you have to - it's called unmesh, means 'opening the eyes' - just to open your eyes to that beauty, that is your Self, for which you should be ready to do it and there should be no doubts about it because it's not worth it, it's not worth it. But if you have any, I would like to attend to them definitely - no doubt. Moreover, sometimes we get very good questions. I have seen that some people who ask questions, are really very good, and also give Me some idea as to what is the problem. So that will be also very much welcome. But don't sit down with the attitude of doubting Thomas - that's one thing. So you have to ask Me, if any question is to be asked, please ask Me because Sahaja Yoga is a very big subject, and it is rather difficult to combinate [integrate whole of it]. But this is the one by which you get your physical, mental, emotional and spiritual integration, because all the centers come into play and enlightenment in all these four aspects of your life, into the totality, so that you feel your wholesomeness in collective consciousness. Now is quite a complicated sentence. I have said it in short but if you have any problem about it, you can ask Me - without any fear. Because I am a Mother. 31:31 Are you all right? Good, you're feeling. They are born realized too. You'll feel, find out that in final mentally they are born realized. When I'll tell you, they'll take over till they knew all the fruit. Some questions? Something? Better ask Me now because while realization, it should not be brought from somewhere, you know. Some of you stop thinking, if you notice. One really. When the Kundalini rises above this center, you stop thinking. (Question of a seeker about the image we have of the yogi living in isolation.) Shri Mataji: Little loudly. Seeker: One has heard, I was informed the venture of a yogi, as a half-a-yogi being I learn, and telling just himself is falling into this non-existence door specular and partnering that in isolation and continue to live in isolation and this is a protection to… Shri Mataji: Who had? Seeker: One has, one counselled so Shri Mataji: Correct, correct, I agree. Seeker: But this isolation is so, maybe he is now too captive. Shri Mataji: But then how would you come to Brighton? You see from God's point of view. These yogis they live in the hills. They do even now. I have told them, they know Me very well, "Why don't you come down?" They don't want to. They are running away from you. Why? They know you will never understand them. They do not want to be crucified. Those who dared to come down were crucified and were killed. They are not there out of their own choice. They are there because they are running away from the madding crowd. You have to have a big heart to come down on this earth to face people who are blind. This concept that you have is very good but of no use. They cannot come to Brighton. They won't even come down from their hills. I know so many of them in India – and they know all about it – they wouldn't do. They said, "No, we do not want to chop off our heads. Actually, some of them have broken their legs, some of them absolutely in a paralytic condition. They are all caught up. Some of them are on bed and they don't know what to do with themselves. I had to go and cure them. It is true but to have such a concept itself is – we are having a concept about God again and that it should fit into that concept. Now they are not going to drop from heaven like that, are they? And are they going to talk to you? First time I have learnt English in this lifetime. How do they know English? They will just sit there with big stones in their hands. Anybody comes there they will be hitting. They don't want to see anybody's faces. So, this is the idea of a yogi is and you cannot conceive of an idea of a yogi who lives in this world. Now Sahaja Yogis have to live in this world and not to run away to these far-fetched places hidden from everyone. We have to enlighten the whole world, not one - few persons individualistic, sitting down there and doing nothing. They are absolutely useless for our purpose. I tell them. They say, "After twelve years we will come." Now, what am I going to do? Am I going to pickle them down there? They are in the pickle state, doing nothing at all. I mean, are there so many like that and they have tremendous respect for Me and I know they always - sort of they have told all the Sahaja Yogis also about it. And when some Sahaja Yogis went to see one of them he said, "How many of you are willing to give your lives for that?" So, the Sahaja Yogis didn't know what to... They said, "We all can give life for Her." And I said, "Why do you want to take their lives for nothing at all?" You see, these so-called 'Sahaja Yogis' who lived on the things have no idea as to what the world requires today. It requires peace. It requires complete evolution. They are just bothered about their own single evolutions. How far will go? You cannot anymore go because in the nature you have seen that nothing grows like a mango tree growing up to eighty feet, does it? It doesn't grow like that. In the same way anybody who tries to go like that goes out of place. The yogi is a person who lives in this world. Is – the concept has come to you because some of these horrible fake ones have created this concept. You know, the great yogis of our country who are regarded and respected till today have been living in this world and never went away into the jungles. Say, like Guru Nanaka who was a great saint he says, "Kahe re ban Khojan jai,sarab niwasi sada ulepa tohi sang samai." He says, "Why are you running away to the jungles? What are you afraid of? The one who is detached, the one who is the saint is living within you. The one who is the yogi is living within you. Where are you running away?" So, these are the yogis and you can be one of them. And despite that I must tell you one thing, they are quite jealous of the Sahaja Yogis is a fact. Because they cannot raise the way – Kundalini – these people can raise. You'll be amazed. It's true. I must tell you this is a fact. They were saying that, "Mother what have you done?" Then we have a tape of a very great yogi from India. He says that, "What have these people done that You have given them vibrations while – he says – I was a frog for twenty-one thousand years I've practiced and then I've got my vibrations. And these people just like that getting vibrations. Why?" I said, "Maybe is the whim of God. Why are you sitting on the top of a hill there? For your own achievements, for your own courtesy. It's sort of a hypocrite in a very subtle way I would say." And why are they there frightened of others, you see. You have to emancipate the whole world. Christ didn't go and sit on a hilltop or somewhere. No one. Rama did not go. Krishna did not go. None of these great saints like Tukaram, Gyaneshwara we have had. And all these they lived as married people, absolutely normal. And they are the people who are respected. So, the idea of such a yogi is all dramatic, I can tell you. You'd better go and see some of them who are there in the horrible conditions as they live. There's another one who lives in the Himalaya place called Amarnath. There he lives, you see – funny fellow. And he had one disciple – one disciple he had – and he sent the disciple to a suburb of Bombay, litlle – not suburb, I would say city near Bombay – small little place though and he said he formed an ashram there. And one of My Sahaja Yogini was staying there. So, he went and told her that, "My guru has told me that Mataji is going to come here after twelve years and She is going to raise my Agnya -Agnya Chakra." So, he went and asked the lady. She called Me he said, "I've been waiting for You for twelve years." Is a fact. You can go and see and find out. So, she was quite surprised that his guru has told him twelve years about Mataji coming here. It is quite surprising, you know. They didn't know that there was something about Me. And she came to Me and she told Me about this. I said, "All right, I'm coming to your place. You tell him to come and see Me." He had ashram of his own. He was staying there and I said, "All right tell him, 'I'll come to your ashram'." He of course came to My program and all that and he was flat on the ground because he saw some things and all that but then he said, "Mother, my guru is waiting for you. Better come in the evening." I went down and, there, you see, I asked that guru, I said – of course first he was – all the rituals were done and then I asked him, "Why did you not clear his Agnya for twelve years?" He said, "Who cleared my Agnya? Why should I clear his Agnya Chakra?" I said, "I doesn't matter but you know how to clear." "Yes, I know but I will not clear his Agnya. Let him suffer." So, I said, "But what's the use of suffering?" He said, "It's very easy." "Why should you make him suffer like this?" He said, "I have suffered so much so he should also suffer." But then he gave him a big slap – I was between them. I said, "Why? Why did you beat him? It's very bad." He said, "No, you know, before, just before your coming he was smoking here. He has no shame of any kind." And he was just, you see, going on like that. I said, "Why? What has happened?" He said, "You know, he came here, three days he put me upside down on the well and he said, 'Your smoking has to go'." So, that's how they are. Then I said, "All right, come along." And the Agnya can be cleared just like that you can also do it. But, you see, what happens there: they have achieved it through their terrible penances and all that and naturally they also expect people to do all that penance and go down there. Now the individualistic is over. That was all right because in the beginning only one or two flowers become fruits but the blossom time comes, then many have to become. Unless and until all of them come down to this earth they are of no use. I can't understand their use. They are just sitting down there. Of course they work out certain things sitting down. Being – being sahaj, they are also collectively conscious so they may work out certain things and all that. But still you have to come and work with the people. Supposing if you are away from the river and if you say, "I'm thirsty", what is so great? But if you are near the river and can keep your thirst then you are something great, isn't it? Living in the desert, if you say, "I am controlling my hunger and I am controlling my thirst and I have no attachments", it has no sense. Where are you great? If you are so strong enough anywhere you are, you are a sanyasin. You are detached. Have you read the story of Sita's father, Janaka? He was called as Videhi, Videhi. He was the only one in the whole history called Videhi. 'Videhi' means 'a detached person from his being' like that 'he doesn't care for', as you can say 'a real yogi': 'Videhi'. The deha is the body. He has gone beyond the body. And he was the one who had children, who had wife, who had his kingdom and who was a great, what you can call a great connoisseur of heart. And when Nachiketa went to him because he was with a guru and whenever this king came to him the guru would get up, touch his feet and make him sit on his seat, so Nachiketa asked his guru, "Sir, why do you touch his feet? He is a householder. Why should you touch his feet? Why should we all get up? Because he is the father in law of Rama, that's why you do it, is it?" He said, "'No, not because of that. Because he is Videhi. He is the one only who can give Realization. Even Yoga Vashishta could not give Realization. He is the only one who is authorized to give Realization. We cannot give Realization." So Nachiketa went to him and asked him, "Sir, can you… (interruption) ...known myself." He said, "Why do you want to know? It's rather difficult." All those things he showed and tried to see if he is really willing. See, for a non-willing person it is rather difficult. So, he took his test and all that and he said that, "All right, I'll see about it." Then he asked him to sleep in a room where he saw that it was very lavishly decorated and all gold everything and he was wondering, "What sort of a yogi is this surrounded by gold and everything. He is sitting down here and he is supposed to be the greatest yogi of the ages. How is he called a Videhi?" Because he was a king. That was his life and that's what he was like that. He was not taking money from anybody else, or [peer else?], other people's money. He was not a parasite. It was his own kingdom where he was living. So he looked it, he was surprised. So, next day Raja Janaka told him that, "All right, now first of all let us go and have bath in the river." So, they went to the river, both of them were having a bath. While having the bath a message came to the king that, "Your palace is on the fire." So, he said, "All right. Just now I'm meditating." He didn't say a word and, "Don't disturb me." Still he was meditating. Then the message came that, "Your people have all come out of the palace and they are going away." Then the message came that, "The fire is coming this side and your cloths and all those might get caught fire." Still he was meditating. But this fellow who was in the – supposed to be the yogi, the one who had gone to learn detachment – ran outside for his cloths, you see. He couldn't – even he had very few cloths but he ran outside… (Interruption.) [Nachiketa] "…about these things which are so important like a palace and your family and all of them were running away." He said, "I was in tune with God. That is the Truth. The rest is all falsehood, is all Maya, is all illusion. And why worry about the illusions?" And he too had only one disciple only he gave Realization, is Nachiketa. This is the trouble. If they could give Realization en-masse they may come down but they cannot. And one person born on the tenth floor, the rest on the ground floor cannot make them understand. They cannot understand him. That's why Sahaja Yoga had to come as Mahayoga, as the greatest Yoga. The manifestation today is of Mahayoga where you meet the divine, where thousands and thousands have to get it. The time has come. I call it the blossom time. Some people say it's the destruction time, some say it's the Judgement time, but I call it the blossom time. And this is the time when you have to receive it. These concepts are not going to help you. They have never helped you neither helped anyone. So do not have concept about it, just have it. Once you have it then you practice it here. No use doing it in the forest because when you'll come back again then you will live in the same condition. Here you develop the immunity. In this world where you live among your family, among your people, here you develop that immunity. You will know evil is evil and after Realization you will not like it. Gradually you will come up so well that evil will disappear. You will have to do it here in Brighton. Under all evil circumstances, we have to establish it. That's what it is. It's much more daring and much more challenging than to run away on the Himalayas very nicely and sit down there. Whatever you are earning, whatever your life, wherever you live is perfectly all right. Nothing to be given up. If you are not holding to anything what is there to give up? This is a concept people don't understand, you know. Like these 'Hare Rama, Hare Krishna' they came to Me also. They said, "Mother you have such a nice house and your husband is so well placed in life and you have everything around– while we have given up everything." I said, "What have you given up?" "Oh, we have given up this and we have given up that and that." I said, "Really? All right." I said, "You worship Shri Krishna?" They said, "Yes, we worship Shri Krishna." I said, "All right, now whatever you think here on My body or in this house worth the dust particle of Shri Krishna's feet you can take away. Even up to the dust particle you can take away if it is worth that much. So you see around everything. Whatever you think is equal to the dust particle of his feet you can take away." Now this was too much for them, they didn't expect. They went round and round. They said, "Now we don't think that anything is worth it." They gave in. I said, "What have you given up? These stones? The dust? Why do you live in myths? What are you going to give up?"… 51:18 (Interruption.) …When it happens to you, you really enjoy it. Everything that he has created for your enjoyment. All this universe is created for your enjoyment but you don't have that sensitivity to enjoy it because you have a sense of possession. If you possess this room - if I possess that will be a headache. It's nice to have it for you people and I come and nicely talk here and go away. No headaches. So all these ideas are mythical. This is a myth also to feel that I possess this room. I mean, you cannot possess anything. You have to leave each and everything here. What do you possess when you go? Your Self Realization. Then you'll be again born like these children are Self Realized before so they are born today as Realized souls. And they have been saints. They have been living on the Himalayas also but now they have come like brave people in this world to face the reality. It's not easy. After Realization you will know what I'm meaning. All right? It's good. Today you don't have to give up anything. Nothing. It's just here within you. But Nanaka has said, "Unless and until you have got your Self Realization, this Bhrama, this illusion, this misunderstanding won't go. It's the curtain has to [be] moved." 52:55 Yogi: Three o' clock now Shri Mataji: Now, how many of you are noting cool breeze in the hand? Just put attention to the hands. You are all realized souls. So, no problem. You are great. They are not complicate. Put both your hands [towards Me], feet on the ground like this, you see, for mother earth to correct your problems and thinks, you see. It's only a question of disintegrated being within, you see, like, "This is not corrected, this is loose, this is loose, this is loose, this is loose." These things are to be properly connected and this is to be put to mains. So these are the two problems that we are also disintegrated first of all and secondly we are not connected to the mains. So this disintegration also is brought to one by the Kundalini rising because She pierces through all your beings and put you together. Once you are integrated, then it works out faster. 54:00 Now see for yourself just like this. Just like this in this way. Sit most comfortably and just await this happening to you. You may close your eyes and see if there are any thought in your mind. Ask your mind, "What are you thinking?" (Shri Mataji and the Yogis begin helping seekers to get their Realization.) The back [probably Mother or a yogi is gently taping a back where there is a blocking.] You try this here. 55:10 I hear you all not forgive others. Please forgive. Just say that, "We forgive." Forgiveness is in captioned but it's a myth that you do not forgive. And what do we do after all by not forgiving this? Only troubling ourselves. Just forgive. Just say that, "We forgive." Then only you can be forgiven for your mistakes. That's why again and again you must say that, "I forgive" and "Please forgive us." All right? Good! You are better? See. Looks out. Are you getting cool breeze? Little. Yogini: Good. Shri Mataji: What about you? Are you getting? Very good. This gentleman? Are you? Not yet. Are you getting cool breeze? Not yet. Left Nabhi very much. You know the left Nabhi problem is? You are all right. Don't you worry. Now is it? Good. Close your eyes and enjoy. This is the best time when you get it. This is the highest. Remember it! Because you will find it that after some time you will start thinking about it, you may lose it, so petty think about it, what you call. Just feel it. Feel the relaxation. Left Nabhi is too much. You don't pay attention to one particular point. Keep your attention absolutely free. May people have a habit of looking into this – what you call – in between the two eyebrows or sometimes higher. (Interruption.) Let pay attention to your fontanel bone here on top of the head. If you find your attention to be very variably, then let us leave it alone. That's the best way. 1:00:55 Better? Left Nabhi's? Good. Where guru you have [been]? See don't you get worried. That's the use that they are doing to people. Is it okay? Still a little one there. Better now. It works. That's such a collapse, quite a lot. There leave it. It's painful absolute. Now better. Are you getting the cool breeze? Not yet. Are you? This one. Not yet? It has started. Now how is your Hamsa today? You're welcome. And what about this gentleman in the corner, behind Me? No. He has got it… 1:09:00 … They say tendency is here a harm, here, that people sort of feel guilty about everything. There is nothing to feel guilty. In a people, you can feel this. They say something is happening in Vietnam, they feel guilty about it. Of course, if you are in the collective consciousness, if you feel that, then you can feel bothered, but otherwise mentally if you feel guilty, then it creates a problem. So just say, "I'm not guilty of anything." Just say that. After all this [body] is the temple of God and in the temple of God, there is a light [Atma]. I mean I have no business to despise it in any way. All right?... 1:10:30 (Shri Mataji and the yogis pursue helping the seekers getting their Realization.) 1:33:52

Public Program, "The Significance of Brighton". Brighton (UK), 15 November 1979. The name itself is so beautiful - Brighton. It has to brighten the whole country. I have been here twice before also, and I always felt that if a chance is given to Me in this place, we can really start Sahaja Yoga in a big way and can one day this become a pilgrimage. There are mixed vibrations in Brighton. You have the sea. Also, the mother earth here has a special significance, but when something Divine starts emitting itself, the evil comes in a disguise and accumulates in that place, and starts fighting, fighting the Divine, and that's how it's a very mixed vibrations I felt in Brighton. But on the whole it is a very good place where Sahaja Yoga can prosper. They must have told you about Sahaja Yoga. 'Saha' is 'with', 'ja' is 'born with you'. This is the Yoga, this is the Union that you are seeking with the Divine, is born with you. It is within you. Everybody has said, "You seek Him within yourself [your Self]". Even Christ said, "You seek Him within yourself," that means you have to seek, it is your freedom which cannot be challenged. You have to ask for it. For example, if God could at this stage of human awareness transform you to higher awareness without you coming into that play, your freedom coming into that play, He would have done it long time back. But he cannot. You have to choose Divine in your own freedom. You are seeking, definitely. Perhaps you do not know what you are seeking. But one thing is definite, you are not satisfied with whatever you are. You think there is something beyond which you have to seek. Maybe some of you know, some of you do not know, what you have to seek. But there is something beyond, no doubt, which has been told to you by all the prophets, by all the scriptures, by all the great incarnations that came on this earth. It has been promised also, that you will be judged one day. The judgement, will be first your own, of yourself [your Self], whether you are seeking the Divine or some sort of a frivolous thing. If you are seeking the Reality and the Truth, then only you are going to be chosen, then only you are going to become the citizen of God's Kingdom. Now, let's see who is this God and what am I talking about. In the beginning, it was just a Silence, complete Silence. And out of the Silence, when it awakened, the Silence was awakened. That Silence is called as "Parama-Brahma", in Sanskrit language. I am sorry, I have to use Sanskrit language, it doesn't mean that it is something Hindu. These ideas you must get rid of. Because in India, people have meditated much more, they didn't have to fight the Nature like the one we were fighting now coming down to the hall. The atmosphere is so nice and warm, people can live even under a tree. They had lot of time, they didn't have to fight the Nature so much, so they had lot of time to meditate. And in their meditations they have found out certain things, for which they have used Sanskrit language. So, this Parama-Brahma or you can call it this Silence, the Absolute Silence, was awakened, got awakened because it itself got awakened, like we sleep and we get awakened. And then this Silence became what you call Sadashiva when it was awakened and when this Sadashiva started breaking, in the sense that It wanted, It desired to create. As we say, that the morning sun is breaking through the dawn, in the same way, when His desire started manifesting, His desire became His power and It got separated from Him. Now, whatever I say is just a story for you, you need not believe it, but I will reach up to a point where you will see something which you can believe into and then gradually, step by step, you can believe into this theory. This is just a hypothesis for you. So, when this desire became a power, His power, It was called as Shakti or Mahashakti or Adi [Shakti] means 'Primordial Power'. This Primordial Power assumed a personality and entity. It had to, if It had to act. If you have only a desire in your heart, it's no good. We have to transform it into some form otherwise it will, the desire will rise and it will fall off. So, this desire got into a form, we can say, or entity which is called in the Bible as Holy Ghost and in the Sanskrit language as Adishakti. This desire, then created out of itself two more powers, one to act and one to improve on its own creation. Like that, three powers started acting and these three powers were created. Now, as we know that people have not talked about Holy Ghost much in the Bible nor in many of these scriptures which have talked about the Father, have been able to talk about the Holy Ghost specially when Christ's Mother Herself was an incarnation of Holy Ghost, He didn't want to endanger Her life, He didn't even say that She was the incarnation of Holy Ghost because if they had crucified Her, He would have come out in His own destructive powers. But, the drama was to be played and She remained a silent person. Now, this Holy Ghost is important for us because Father is just a witness. He is witnessing the play, the game that Holy Ghost is going to play. He is going to enjoy Her creation. He is the only Witness of that game and She is trying to please Him by creating this. Because it was His desire to create, so She created with these three forces we have got, which I call: the first the Desire (Mahakali); then the second one was the Action (Mahasaraswati); and the third one is the Sustenance or you can call it the Evolution (Mahalakshmi). These three powers acted to create us, human beings. Now we are at a stage where we have reached, where one can talk about these things. Even at the time of Christ, one could not talk of the Holy Ghost. What could you do with these fishermen? Just tell Me, how could you tell them about these things? That was just a preparatory thing, but you know what a mess they have done. Quite a mess is there and people can't understand those who call themselves religious. How could they be fanatic? Fanaticism and religion are at dagger's ends. They cannot be one thing. You can see now in Iran, now. You can see anywhere, people, if they are fanatics, how irreligious they are, because Religion is Love. God is Love, and none of these "religious people" have expressed that love, so far, in a way it should be expressed. Nor have they taken over the work of seeking God. But other things they are doing, like philanthropic work they'll do, collecting funds or having a jumble sale or sort of a thing. That's not the job of a person who is seeking God. Under these circumstances, when we are face to face with people who are so-called religious, who have organized religions, disorganized religions, then fake people, we really get absolutely frustrated, we get flabbergasted and we do not know what are we to do because we are born seekers. We are born as seekers. We might have made mistakes in seeking but we are definitely seekers. If you were not seekers you would have been happy attending some dinner or a ball somewhere. But, no. There is something beyond, something beautiful beyond, which is being promised, which you feel there is, you are aware of it - the existence of that beauty, you are aware of it - but so far you have not reached to the source. And that's why you are seeking. Now, these three powers are within us also acting and they have shown here, if you see (indicating the chart), on the left hand side is this blue line that is going down, is the power of our desiring by which we desire, by which we express our emotions, and when this desire is no more left in us - in the sense that this power, when it disappears within us - then we also disappear. And they have not shown the Spirit but, if you see this yellow lime thickened, say that that is the Spirit they have tried to show, this Spirit is the reflection of Father God or the Witness God, Who is within us in our heart, while these three powers have created like a curtain between our attention and between Him. Now the attention exists in this green coloured Void. It is sustained by our liver, and that's how these three curtains keep us away from that Spirit. We cannot see that Spirit, we cannot feel it. We cannot manifest it, but we know there is someone who knows us. In Gita, it is called as "Kshetragnya", the One who is the knower of the field. So, we know there is a knower, and the knower knows all about you, and is tape-recording all that you have been doing, your seeking, your mistakes, your turbulence, all kinds of things you have gone through - all is recorded in that tape and that tape is placed down below there, in the triangular bone which is called as the Kundalini. This is the residual energy of our desire - means when the whole universe was created, this energy of desire, Adishakti, after creating the whole, She remains the whole because She is complete, you can say. It's very easy to understand. Supposing there is a light here and I put a film here, the whole film is reflected but the film is intact. In the same way after projecting Itself, whatever remains, is the residual energy, is this Kundalini - means you are the complete projection of that Kundalini, that power which is desire power, which manifests later on into these two powers: the right side power, the one you see with the yellow colour - it's called the power of action; and the central power, which you have achieved up to a point and the rest is a Void - you can see [where] the dotted lines are - is the power which is responsible for your evolution from amoeba to this stage. We should ask a question, "Why did we become human beings from amoeba to this stage?" Supposing I have some bolts, nuts, this, that, and I gather them together, then anybody would ask, "Why are you making this?" So I can tell, "I am making a microphone." But this microphone also has got a thread here. It is to be put to the mains. Unless and until it is put to the mains, this is not going to work out. And this is what we have got - these three powers, and the residual power there which is the desire power, which is just sitting down there, which is going to desire your rebirth, It's your own Mother, and when She desires it, She comes into action only when She sees somebody who's an authority, who has a power to raise Her, who loves the same way as She loves you, then only She rises, not by any tricks, by standing on your head, or having an exercise, or beating people or all sorts of things. They have devised now, it is a spontaneous thing - Sahaja. Sa-ha-ja. Spontaneously it rises. I mean, supposing now somebody comes to Me: "Can you guarantee that my Kundalini will be awakened? Or not." I say, "No, Sir. I am sorry. May be, may not be. If you do not argue too much, then it will." Why? What happens with arguments? I must tell you what happens. I mean - I don t mean you should not argue, you must argue because I know you have a problem - you are too identified with arguments, you can't help it. Doesn't matter. But when you argue, you use this power which is on the right hand side. By thinking, what happens is that you create that yellow stuff there and that yellow stuff in common words is Mr. E-go. And when you think, this ego rises like that and goes on pressing the other one that is the Superego which comes from your conditionings. So this Ego, when it sits on this one like that, how are we to raise the Kundalini, because what happens is that there is no place, no space. It has to be balanced like that. The more you argue, the more it goes on like that. By argument, I cannot raise the Kundalini. That's why I say, "For the time being let Me see about it. Don't argue just now". But, then people don't like it, you see, they feel challenged. So I say, "All right go ahead." But what happens when you start arguing, the thoughts go on pressing you and that is why you cannot do it by any argument, by reading a book. You cannot pay for it. It's absolutely impossible to pay for it. God doesn't have a shop. No, He doesn't know shopping, nor you can organize Him. We cannot organize God. He has to organize us. So, any sort of an organized thing cannot work it out. It's absolutely like sprouting a seed. You just put it in the soil, put some water - as I say I put some water of Love, I give you some water of Love - then it sprouts by itself. You have a seed, you have the primule, you have a sprout inside, and everything is just ready. It has to happen. By getting angry, it doesn't work out. By anything that you can do, it cannot work out. You have to be effortless. You cannot put in effort for sprouting a seed. You cannot even transform a flower into a fruit. Actually we don't do much. What we do is dead. Whatever is dead we change into another, then we change into another. That's all. We have done nothing living. This is a living process and all living processes are to be achieved through spontaneity. So, spontaneously it rises. It touches your Sahasrara and you start getting the cool breeze in your hand. Now, apart from the Indian Scriptures, where it is described as Saleelam-Saleelam, this cool breeze, and cool breeze comes on you like a wave. Also in the Bible you have read that, it is the cool breeze. So, the whole power is this power of desire which has manifested into these three powers, this Adishakti, is the cool breeze. It's like a cool breeze. And it is All-Pervading. When this Kundalini rises she passes through these centers - of course there's no time for Me to explain all those centres now - and touches you. Now these centers are the subtle centers below our plexuses, which we know in our medical science that these are the plexuses we have got within ourselves. And then you become Self-Realized. I cannot give you a lecture on that or a brain-washing, you become Collectively Conscious. It's actualization that we should seek. It has to happen within you, so that you become that - is not just by branding anybody 'you are a Sahaja Yogi' - it cannot be. A Sahaja Yogi has to get the real baptism. His fontanel bone has to become soft and the Kundalini has to pierce it, then only he is a Sahaja Yogi. You cannot have membership, you cannot have anything like that. It is so spontaneous, and if it has not happened in you, then you are not a Sahaja Yogi. Till it has happened, you are still seeking. But it just takes a split of a second to happen in people - like children I would say. But it can take quite a lot of time with some people, because we have tried to harm ourselves, destroy ourselves. Actually in this country [U.K.] I have seen that there are very beautiful people born, very genuine, honest, humble. Great seekers of the past, of ancient times have been blessed to be born in this country, and also in America. But, they became impatient, and in their impatience, they have tried to destroy themselves. And that's how if you have destroyed those centers, then there will be a little problem for a short time. We'll work it out. But you have to have it. You are born for this. This is evolution which has to take place. You have to know your Self. That's your right. You must get it. But the way is not demanding, but asking for it. "Blessed are meek, blessed are those who are meek" has been already said before. That meekness is important, not your arrogance. If you sit on My head and say, "Give us realization", you see that is not the way. I am not the one who is giving, I should say, but it's you who are receiving it. Like the river Ganges flows you see, if you throw stones in her, you cannot get water out of her. You have to take a pitcher, a hollow pitcher, and dip it inside, and it will fill by itself. So it is your own asking which receives that fulfilment, and you have to find out that fulfilment. Without that you cannot be happy. Now we have Sahaja Yogis in London of course, we are progressing with the pace of an ant, I should say. The reason is, it is Reality. You see all other organizations spread because you pay the money and you become the great minister of state there, something like that. And you wear a locket, you become the great disciple of a great fake guru you see, or something like that. It is very easy to do that way, isn't it? But to become a Sahaja Yogi, you have to face yourself, you have to see yourself, and then the beauty, when it dawns upon you, you can see that it is the Truth that you have to receive and I have to do it. You should not feel obliged, because that's My Job. I am paid for that, you can say. Giving you realization is My Own Job. I have to do it. Your job is to take it, because that's what you are here for. It's no question of any obligation. It's Love, just Love. I have to love you and you have to receive the love from Me. It just flows, it emits, only I am telling you the way how to receive it. But our human love, you see, is so aggressive that we cannot understand someone who says, "I love you". We'll run away, "You love me, then I'd better run away", because love means possession. You see human love is such, love means domination, is aggression. This is just Love which soothes you, which raises you to a new awareness, by which you can feel on your fingers, as it's shown there, the complete enlightenment, and your hands can tell you what centers are there, what centers are catching, in you and in others. There are so many blessings of Sahaja Yoga, which I hope to tell you about when we have a seminar perhaps there, and all these people can tell you also. But I don't know what are your problems. I would like to talk to you if there are any problem or question - but not too long because Sahaja Yogis get quite worried about it. The reason is they all have asked Me questions, you know, quite a lot, they feel quite ashamed to remember that, firstly. Secondly, they feel excited that why aren't you getting your realisation you see, why are you asking questions - better have it, is in your hands. So they don't like it. And thirdly, they find sometimes that you are asking questions of no value to yourselves or to anyone. So, one thing if you remember, there is nothing selling here. You have not paid for it. It's something that's just flowing, you see. Such a thing, no-one knows of, you see, in this world. It's just flowing, something beautiful. If you have seen a scene somewhere, beautiful scene, you just watch it. In the same way, if [with] that attitude if you come, just to open your eyes to that, you have to - it's called unmesh, means 'opening the eyes' - just to open your eyes to that beauty, that is your Self, for which you should be ready to do it and there should be no doubts about it because it's not worth it, it's not worth it. But if you have any, I would like to attend to them definitely - no doubt. Moreover, sometimes we get very good questions. I have seen that some people who ask questions, are really very good, and also give Me some idea as to what is the problem. So that will be also very much welcome. But don't sit down with the attitude of doubting Thomas - that's one thing. So you have to ask Me, if any question is to be asked, please ask Me because Sahaja Yoga is a very big subject, and it is rather difficult to combinate [integrate whole of it]. But this is the one by which you get your physical, mental, emotional and spiritual integration, because all the centers come into play and enlightenment in all these four aspects of your life, into the totality, so that you feel your wholesomeness in collective consciousness. Now is quite a complicated sentence. I have said it in short but if you have any problem about it, you can ask Me - without any fear. Because I am a Mother. 31:31 Are you all right? Good, you're feeling. They are born realized too. You'll feel, find out that in final mentally they are born realized. When I'll tell you, they'll take over till they knew all the fruit. Some questions? Something? Better ask Me now because while realization, it should not be brought from somewhere, you know. Some of you stop thinking, if you notice. One really. When the Kundalini rises above this center, you stop thinking. (Question of a seeker about the image we have of the yogi living in isolation.) Shri Mataji: Little loudly. Seeker: One has heard, I was informed the venture of a yogi, as a half-a-yogi being I learn, and telling just himself is falling into this non-existence door specular and partnering that in isolation and continue to live in isolation and this is a protection to… Shri Mataji: Who had? Seeker: One has, one counselled so Shri Mataji: Correct, correct, I agree. Seeker: But this isolation is so, maybe he is now too captive. Shri Mataji: But then how would you come to Brighton? You see from God's point of view. These yogis they live in the hills. They do even now. I have told them, they know Me very well, "Why don't you come down?" They don't want to. They are running away from you. Why? They know you will never understand them. They do not want to be crucified. Those who dared to come down were crucified and were killed. They are not there out of their own choice. They are there because they are running away from the madding crowd. You have to have a big heart to come down on this earth to face people who are blind. This concept that you have is very good but of no use. They cannot come to Brighton. They won't even come down from their hills. I know so many of them in India – and they know all about it – they wouldn't do. They said, "No, we do not want to chop off our heads. Actually, some of them have broken their legs, some of them absolutely in a paralytic condition. They are all caught up. Some of them are on bed and they don't know what to do with themselves. I had to go and cure them. It is true but to have such a concept itself is – we are having a concept about God again and that it should fit into that concept. Now they are not going to drop from heaven like that, are they? And are they going to talk to you? First time I have learnt English in this lifetime. How do they know English? They will just sit there with big stones in their hands. Anybody comes there they will be hitting. They don't want to see anybody's faces. So, this is the idea of a yogi is and you cannot conceive of an idea of a yogi who lives in this world. Now Sahaja Yogis have to live in this world and not to run away to these far-fetched places hidden from everyone. We have to enlighten the whole world, not one - few persons individualistic, sitting down there and doing nothing. They are absolutely useless for our purpose. I tell them. They say, "After twelve years we will come." Now, what am I going to do? Am I going to pickle them down there? They are in the pickle state, doing nothing at all. I mean, are there so many like that and they have tremendous respect for Me and I know they always - sort of they have told all the Sahaja Yogis also about it. And when some Sahaja Yogis went to see one of them he said, "How many of you are willing to give your lives for that?" So, the Sahaja Yogis didn't know what to... They said, "We all can give life for Her." And I said, "Why do you want to take their lives for nothing at all?" You see, these so-called 'Sahaja Yogis' who lived on the things have no idea as to what the world requires today. It requires peace. It requires complete evolution. They are just bothered about their own single evolutions. How far will go? You cannot anymore go because in the nature you have seen that nothing grows like a mango tree growing up to eighty feet, does it? It doesn't grow like that. In the same way anybody who tries to go like that goes out of place. The yogi is a person who lives in this world. Is – the concept has come to you because some of these horrible fake ones have created this concept. You know, the great yogis of our country who are regarded and respected till today have been living in this world and never went away into the jungles. Say, like Guru Nanaka who was a great saint he says, "Kahe re ban Khojan jai,sarab niwasi sada ulepa tohi sang samai." He says, "Why are you running away to the jungles? What are you afraid of? The one who is detached, the one who is the saint is living within you. The one who is the yogi is living within you. Where are you running away?" So, these are the yogis and you can be one of them. And despite that I must tell you one thing, they are quite jealous of the Sahaja Yogis is a fact. Because they cannot raise the way – Kundalini – these people can raise. You'll be amazed. It's true. I must tell you this is a fact. They were saying that, "Mother what have you done?" Then we have a tape of a very great yogi from India. He says that, "What have these people done that You have given them vibrations while – he says – I was a frog for twenty-one thousand years I've practiced and then I've got my vibrations. And these people just like that getting vibrations. Why?" I said, "Maybe is the whim of God. Why are you sitting on the top of a hill there? For your own achievements, for your own courtesy. It's sort of a hypocrite in a very subtle way I would say." And why are they there frightened of others, you see. You have to emancipate the whole world. Christ didn't go and sit on a hilltop or somewhere. No one. Rama did not go. Krishna did not go. None of these great saints like Tukaram, Gyaneshwara we have had. And all these they lived as married people, absolutely normal. And they are the people who are respected. So, the idea of such a yogi is all dramatic, I can tell you. You'd better go and see some of them who are there in the horrible conditions as they live. There's another one who lives in the Himalaya place called Amarnath. There he lives, you see – funny fellow. And he had one disciple – one disciple he had – and he sent the disciple to a suburb of Bombay, litlle – not suburb, I would say city near Bombay – small little place though and he said he formed an ashram there. And one of My Sahaja Yogini was staying there. So, he went and told her that, "My guru has told me that Mataji is going to come here after twelve years and She is going to raise my Agnya -Agnya Chakra." So, he went and asked the lady. She called Me he said, "I've been waiting for You for twelve years." Is a fact. You can go and see and find out. So, she was quite surprised that his guru has told him twelve years about Mataji coming here. It is quite surprising, you know. They didn't know that there was something about Me. And she came to Me and she told Me about this. I said, "All right, I'm coming to your place. You tell him to come and see Me." He had ashram of his own. He was staying there and I said, "All right tell him, 'I'll come to your ashram'." He of course came to My program and all that and he was flat on the ground because he saw some things and all that but then he said, "Mother, my guru is waiting for you. Better come in the evening." I went down and, there, you see, I asked that guru, I said – of course first he was – all the rituals were done and then I asked him, "Why did you not clear his Agnya for twelve years?" He said, "Who cleared my Agnya? Why should I clear his Agnya Chakra?" I said, "I doesn't matter but you know how to clear." "Yes, I know but I will not clear his Agnya. Let him suffer." So, I said, "But what's the use of suffering?" He said, "It's very easy." "Why should you make him suffer like this?" He said, "I have suffered so much so he should also suffer." But then he gave him a big slap – I was between them. I said, "Why? Why did you beat him? It's very bad." He said, "No, you know, before, just before your coming he was smoking here. He has no shame of any kind." And he was just, you see, going on like that. I said, "Why? What has happened?" He said, "You know, he came here, three days he put me upside down on the well and he said, 'Your smoking has to go'." So, that's how they are. Then I said, "All right, come along." And the Agnya can be cleared just like that you can also do it. But, you see, what happens there: they have achieved it through their terrible penances and all that and naturally they also expect people to do all that penance and go down there. Now the individualistic is over. That was all right because in the beginning only one or two flowers become fruits but the blossom time comes, then many have to become. Unless and until all of them come down to this earth they are of no use. I can't understand their use. They are just sitting down there. Of course they work out certain things sitting down. Being – being sahaj, they are also collectively conscious so they may work out certain things and all that. But still you have to come and work with the people. Supposing if you are away from the river and if you say, "I'm thirsty", what is so great? But if you are near the river and can keep your thirst then you are something great, isn't it? Living in the desert, if you say, "I am controlling my hunger and I am controlling my thirst and I have no attachments", it has no sense. Where are you great? If you are so strong enough anywhere you are, you are a sanyasin. You are detached. Have you read the story of Sita's father, Janaka? He was called as Videhi, Videhi. He was the only one in the whole history called Videhi. 'Videhi' means 'a detached person from his being' like that 'he doesn't care for', as you can say 'a real yogi': 'Videhi'. The deha is the body. He has gone beyond the body. And he was the one who had children, who had wife, who had his kingdom and who was a great, what you can call a great connoisseur of heart. And when Nachiketa went to him because he was with a guru and whenever this king came to him the guru would get up, touch his feet and make him sit on his seat, so Nachiketa asked his guru, "Sir, why do you touch his feet? He is a householder. Why should you touch his feet? Why should we all get up? Because he is the father in law of Rama, that's why you do it, is it?" He said, "'No, not because of that. Because he is Videhi. He is the one only who can give Realization. Even Yoga Vashishta could not give Realization. He is the only one who is authorized to give Realization. We cannot give Realization." So Nachiketa went to him and asked him, "Sir, can you… (interruption) ...known myself." He said, "Why do you want to know? It's rather difficult." All those things he showed and tried to see if he is really willing. See, for a non-willing person it is rather difficult. So, he took his test and all that and he said that, "All right, I'll see about it." Then he asked him to sleep in a room where he saw that it was very lavishly decorated and all gold everything and he was wondering, "What sort of a yogi is this surrounded by gold and everything. He is sitting down here and he is supposed to be the greatest yogi of the ages. How is he called a Videhi?" Because he was a king. That was his life and that's what he was like that. He was not taking money from anybody else, or [peer else?], other people's money. He was not a parasite. It was his own kingdom where he was living. So he looked it, he was surprised. So, next day Raja Janaka told him that, "All right, now first of all let us go and have bath in the river." So, they went to the river, both of them were having a bath. While having the bath a message came to the king that, "Your palace is on the fire." So, he said, "All right. Just now I'm meditating." He didn't say a word and, "Don't disturb me." Still he was meditating. Then the message came that, "Your people have all come out of the palace and they are going away." Then the message came that, "The fire is coming this side and your cloths and all those might get caught fire." Still he was meditating. But this fellow who was in the – supposed to be the yogi, the one who had gone to learn detachment – ran outside for his cloths, you see. He couldn't – even he had very few cloths but he ran outside… (Interruption.) [Nachiketa] "…about these things which are so important like a palace and your family and all of them were running away." He said, "I was in tune with God. That is the Truth. The rest is all falsehood, is all Maya, is all illusion. And why worry about the illusions?" And he too had only one disciple only he gave Realization, is Nachiketa. This is the trouble. If they could give Realization en-masse they may come down but they cannot. And one person born on the tenth floor, the rest on the ground floor cannot make them understand. They cannot understand him. That's why Sahaja Yoga had to come as Mahayoga, as the greatest Yoga. The manifestation today is of Mahayoga where you meet the divine, where thousands and thousands have to get it. The time has come. I call it the blossom time. Some people say it's the destruction time, some say it's the Judgement time, but I call it the blossom time. And this is the time when you have to receive it. These concepts are not going to help you. They have never helped you neither helped anyone. So do not have concept about it, just have it. Once you have it then you practice it here. No use doing it in the forest because when you'll come back again then you will live in the same condition. Here you develop the immunity. In this world where you live among your family, among your people, here you develop that immunity. You will know evil is evil and after Realization you will not like it. Gradually you will come up so well that evil will disappear. You will have to do it here in Brighton. Under all evil circumstances, we have to establish it. That's what it is. It's much more daring and much more challenging than to run away on the Himalayas very nicely and sit down there. Whatever you are earning, whatever your life, wherever you live is perfectly all right. Nothing to be given up. If you are not holding to anything what is there to give up? This is a concept people don't understand, you know. Like these 'Hare Rama, Hare Krishna' they came to Me also. They said, "Mother you have such a nice house and your husband is so well placed in life and you have everything around– while we have given up everything." I said, "What have you given up?" "Oh, we have given up this and we have given up that and that." I said, "Really? All right." I said, "You worship Shri Krishna?" They said, "Yes, we worship Shri Krishna." I said, "All right, now whatever you think here on My body or in this house worth the dust particle of Shri Krishna's feet you can take away. Even up to the dust particle you can take away if it is worth that much. So you see around everything. Whatever you think is equal to the dust particle of his feet you can take away." Now this was too much for them, they didn't expect. They went round and round. They said, "Now we don't think that anything is worth it." They gave in. I said, "What have you given up? These stones? The dust? Why do you live in myths? What are you going to give up?"… 51:18 (Interruption.) …When it happens to you, you really enjoy it. Everything that he has created for your enjoyment. All this universe is created for your enjoyment but you don't have that sensitivity to enjoy it because you have a sense of possession. If you possess this room - if I possess that will be a headache. It's nice to have it for you people and I come and nicely talk here and go away. No headaches. So all these ideas are mythical. This is a myth also to feel that I possess this room. I mean, you cannot possess anything. You have to leave each and everything here. What do you possess when you go? Your Self Realization. Then you'll be again born like these children are Self Realized before so they are born today as Realized souls. And they have been saints. They have been living on the Himalayas also but now they have come like brave people in this world to face the reality. It's not easy. After Realization you will know what I'm meaning. All right? It's good. Today you don't have to give up anything. Nothing. It's just here within you. But Nanaka has said, "Unless and until you have got your Self Realization, this Bhrama, this illusion, this misunderstanding won't go. It's the curtain has to [be] moved." 52:55 Yogi: Three o' clock now Shri Mataji: Now, how many of you are noting cool breeze in the hand? Just put attention to the hands. You are all realized souls. So, no problem. You are great. They are not complicate. Put both your hands [towards Me], feet on the ground like this, you see, for mother earth to correct your problems and thinks, you see. It's only a question of disintegrated being within, you see, like, "This is not corrected, this is loose, this is loose, this is loose, this is loose." These things are to be properly connected and this is to be put to mains. So these are the two problems that we are also disintegrated first of all and secondly we are not connected to the mains. So this disintegration also is brought to one by the Kundalini rising because She pierces through all your beings and put you together. Once you are integrated, then it works out faster. 54:00 Now see for yourself just like this. Just like this in this way. Sit most comfortably and just await this happening to you. You may close your eyes and see if there are any thought in your mind. Ask your mind, "What are you thinking?" (Shri Mataji and the Yogis begin helping seekers to get their Realization.) The back [probably Mother or a yogi is gently taping a back where there is a blocking.] You try this here. 55:10 I hear you all not forgive others. Please forgive. Just say that, "We forgive." Forgiveness is in captioned but it's a myth that you do not forgive. And what do we do after all by not forgiving this? Only troubling ourselves. Just forgive. Just say that, "We forgive." Then only you can be forgiven for your mistakes. That's why again and again you must say that, "I forgive" and "Please forgive us." All right? Good! You are better? See. Looks out. Are you getting cool breeze? Little. Yogini: Good. Shri Mataji: What about you? Are you getting? Very good. This gentleman? Are you? Not yet. Are you getting cool breeze? Not yet. Left Nabhi very much. You know the left Nabhi problem is? You are all right. Don't you worry. Now is it? Good. Close your eyes and enjoy. This is the best time when you get it. This is the highest. Remember it! Because you will find it that after some time you will start thinking about it, you may lose it, so petty think about it, what you call. Just feel it. Feel the relaxation. Left Nabhi is too much. You don't pay attention to one particular point. Keep your attention absolutely free. May people have a habit of looking into this – what you call – in between the two eyebrows or sometimes higher. (Interruption.) Let pay attention to your fontanel bone here on top of the head. If you find your attention to be very variably, then let us leave it alone. That's the best way. 1:00:55 Better? Left Nabhi's? Good. Where guru you have [been]? See don't you get worried. That's the use that they are doing to people. Is it okay? Still a little one there. Better now. It works. That's such a collapse, quite a lot. There leave it. It's painful absolute. Now better. Are you getting the cool breeze? Not yet. Are you? This one. Not yet? It has started. Now how is your Hamsa today? You're welcome. And what about this gentleman in the corner, behind Me? No. He has got it… 1:09:00 … They say tendency is here a harm, here, that people sort of feel guilty about everything. There is nothing to feel guilty. In a people, you can feel this. They say something is happening in Vietnam, they feel guilty about it. Of course, if you are in the collective consciousness, if you feel that, then you can feel bothered, but otherwise mentally if you feel guilty, then it creates a problem. So just say, "I'm not guilty of anything." Just say that. After all this [body] is the temple of God and in the temple of God, there is a light [Atma]. I mean I have no business to despise it in any way. All right?... 1:10:30 (Shri Mataji and the yogis pursue helping the seekers getting their Realization.) 1:33:52

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How to go beyond the ego and know yourself, Meditation Advice at Dollis Hill ashram, London (UK), 18 November 1979. But Sahaja Yoga is that triggering great happening by which the creation of God is going to get its fulfilment and is going to know its meaning - it is that great! Perhaps we do not realise it. But when we say, "We are Sahaja Yogis,” you have to know that, to be a Sahaja Yogi, how much identified you should be with the Truth of Sahaja Yoga, and so many misidentifications which are hanging on to you must be get rid of. People call it a sacrifice. I do not think it is a sacrifice. If you think something is hampering your way you'll try to take out that hurdle. In the same way, if you stand out from your obstructions, you will be able to understand that these obstructions are standing in your way and they are not your own and that they are stopping your progress. So, you should get this misidentification out of your minds completely and try to be more and more your Self and not a misidentification. This is one the problems, I think, people have here. Whenever I get any complaints or anything, I understand that still the level of understanding about Sahaja Yoga is not up to that point. It is a tremendous task! And for that, if you are the people who have to come up and if you are the people who have to fight it, you have to understand it in its full extent and also understand where you stand for it: how much you have to do? how much you have to improve yourself? Because you are the people who are going to take the Sahaja Yoga to that position where it has to reach. Because as far as I am concerned, I have nothing to do anymore. I have done it. Now it is for you to receive, you have to imbibe into it and you have to change the whole thing; that is your job and that is why it is a serious matter. The second point, I always have been saying that, due to ego problem, we are very much disintegrated. You are so disintegrated that the connection with the Divine is never properly established. As I have said it, that this instrument (microphone) if it is divided into five parts and all the five parts are fighting with each other, you cannot get anything done through this instrument, though it is connected to the mains. In the same way if you still remain disintegrated you cannot get that connection. For example, people come down here, I have seen, for Sahaja Yoga; now they have other interests and there's other priorities and other things are there which are very important for them. All the time, they are wasting their time for that, and then they will say that, “Mother, we are not progressing much in Sahaja Yoga.” If you decide, as he (Mr. Venugopalan) has told you that, “We have to do Sahaja Yoga first and the other things are secondary,” then only the Sahaja Yoga can be really established into you. We’ll have some Sahaja Yogis of a very high level, I know that, and we will have some of very mediocre level, some will be absolutely useless and some would be absolutely thrown away. We’ll have all types. That also I know. Now it is for you to decide: where do you come? How far you are going to? If you are going to waste your time in thinking about other sahaja yogis and small, small things and trivial things as he has said it, your disintegration is going to be increased, you are going to [be] separated much more because all this decision is taken through your ego: “I don’t like it, I don’t do it, I don’t see it.” If you could somehow or other see your ego working, then you can get rid of it. And that is the thing one has to do; not to fight the ego. I never say, “Fight the ego!” But surrendering is the only way your ego can go. And that’s why the progress in the West, as you have seen it, is much less than it is in India. Now, take his case, I would say, particular case of [Mr.] Venugopalan: he’s really remarkable because he is a man who is holding a very big position in India. Here I see, even if a person is a dishwasher [and] he comes to Sahaja Yoga, still his ego is so big [that] even our Prime Minister won’t have such a big ego as he has! I mean, the way he will talk that, “I don’t like it, I do this, this!” I am myself amazed the way people [talk]! You see, everybody has become the King of England or what? The way they talk! This is something one should tell people when they come here, that, “Don’t waste Mataji’s energies in arguing and this and that,” because everybody thinks no end of themselves here, and that is the biggest hurdle that they have, when they even come first time, you find it so difficult! I have to show all my appreciation of their ego, all the time, just to satisfy them so that they come round. And this is how the progress becomes less. Now, in his case, (Venugopalan) he is a person who has been to all kinds of horrible ‘gurus’ and his wife has been also to all kinds of horrible ‘gurus’ because of another extreme in India we have, that we must respect all the saints. But these days the saints are fake saints, not only fake saints, but some of them are devils! So they are not going to say, “We are devils.” When they do not say they are devils or whatever it is, they do not come in their proper form, these simple, innocent people, who are seeking God, just go to them, give their heart, do everything and then they find that they are devils. Once they discover they are devils, then they are surprised. Then they come back from there, they go to another guru, they go to another guru, but the harm is done. But they get rid of that harm because they recognise that harm has been done and they know, what is the Truth is, what is to expect. I would say it is the blessing of that country that people know what to expect. People would not like to go, those who are really of a very good quality people, will not go to a man who shows some sort of a a sensationalisation or some sort of a chamatkar (चमत्कार) - is a miracle - they would not go, but they will go to other subtler people, who are very cunning and they put up another kind of a show and just say that, “No, no, this is the way you can achieve the highest,” and that’s how most of the sahaja yogis in India also have been - except for the village people and the district people - most of the city people have been to some guru or someone. But despite all that, they have left everything. I have told them, “You have to beat them with shoes.” They’ll do everything morning till…every day he does his sadhana (साधना) for one hour though he’s a very busy man. Here even to get up in the morning, people grudge. I mean, what can you do with such slow moving people? You see, it is absolutely very difficult! And this is what I feel that we must understand that we have a very great responsibility, very great responsibility in the West, because this has to happen in London, it has to happen in England to begin with, and that’s why you bear a very big responsibility. You have to evaluate yourself and you have to evaluate Sahaja Yoga, again and again and again. And know that what makes you slow is your ego - or even superego is there, no doubt - but ego is the main problem. I must tell you [that] ego is the main problem but I dare not say to anyone that, “This is your ego,” because that will just jump on to my head. But try to see your ego, how it is deviating, because it is your own joy you are seeking, it is your own property you are seeking, it is your own that is hidden from you, for which you have been seeking for ages now; that is what I have to expose for you. What is there to argue with a person, who is trying to give you the highest? It’s just a waste of energy. Do not waste your energy onto these things, onto frivolous things, about finding faults. Now he has been organising our Delhi Camp, he is the one who has organised our printing of the book and all. I have not known any problems there. You just tell them that, “This has to happen,” “Alright!” I do not know how it works out. You have stayed in Delhi. You have seen how many people were there. Never a problem! Did you hear anybody complaining? Or anybody quarrelling or fighting among themselves? Nothing of the kind! You see, this is not the sign of intelligence either; of all the time trying to find faults with each other or trying to blame yourself. Both things are wrong. Best thing is to grow in wisdom, we must grow in wisdom. We’ll, ourselves, see that we are becoming wiser and wiser. Some of you are really very grown up and some of you still go up and down, and some of you’re still very low. So all of us have to get up and all of us have to go together. If somebody has also achieved something it is of no use to Sahaja Yoga, as I have told you, it’s a collective thing that is going to work out. All of you have to work it out and it is so sweet that you have real brothers and sisters all over the world today. When you’ll go there with the full heart they are going to receive [you] as you have received him with full heart. But we all must come up! Come up to a point, where we can face each other with full love, with openness, without any worry about anything, without any fear of anyone; but just [that] they are your brothers and you are their brothers and that you have to love them. That’s only possible when we’ll get out of our fears here. Because there is also another side to it that ego always has a fear; because it aggresses others it is afraid also because it knows others can aggress. So this is a point we have got to think about. But that never means that in any way despise yourself, never! You are saints, you must know that. You are realised souls! How many there are realised souls in this world? How many there are who can raise the Kundalini? How many there are who understand what is vibrations? I’m going to tell you, on Guru puja, what things you have achieved, and how many things you have got within you, built-in now, which are working, and how your chakras are awakened through Sahaja Yoga. As he says, “Yes, it has happened.” But what are we doing about it? It’s is the greatest of the greatest that can happen to anyone; that you know. Also you know this is the greatest happening which was prophesised long time back as the Last Judgement. You know that this is the way you are going to be judged, so we have to work very hard, we have to work. It is effortlessly given to you, alright, but to maintain it, to keep it up to go higher, we have to religiously work it out with a very humble attitude - receiving more and more and more, imbibing it into your being. Let it trickle into your being, completely covering it. Let that joy, that Eternal Bliss come into you. I am so anxious for that. Do not make yourself a small person. Have a bigger vision, have bigger ideas because now you belong to the Bigger Thing, the biggest of all, the Primordial, the Highest, to the Viraat! If you realise your importance then you will work it out. You see, if you see an Indian Sahaja Yogi, you will be amazed! He sleeps only for two, three hours or four hours, but he will not give up his sadhana. If he can get his full sleep it’s alright. First thing he sees is, “One hour for sadhana in the morning. I have to get it out somehow.” But sleep? We have been sleeping all our lives! We have to correct ourselves, we have to rise, we have to go ahead - to achieve your own. That’s the main point is! See your own selfishness, I am telling! To know yourself is the greatest selfishness. If you do not know yourself, all the selfishness is useless. As you call a svartha (स्वार्थ), in Sanskrit it is said ‘svartha’. Svartha means ‘selfishness’. If you break it ‘sva’ ‘artha’ - if you know the meaning of your ‘sva’, means your ‘self’, then it is the greatest selfishness. So this is what it is and we are very happy that he’s here. We’ll be going to India also, next year we also are planning to go to India and you are going to meet [them]. Lots of them may come to Delhi and Bombay. They are all waiting for you, they are all planning how to receive you, they are so happy that so many of Sahaja Yogis from London and all over will be coming. And you know how they look after you and how they are happy and how they are joyous. And certain things definitely have gone wrong with us, we know that. We should understand them because these are the troubles of our over-thinking and over-reading and over-domination but we can get rid of it very easily. It is just to detach yourself and see for yourself addressing yourself, “Now Mr. how are you?” If you say like that, immediately your attention will go, through yourself you will see your outer being. That is very important. The more you see yourself clearly, the better it is. You have to face yourself. And you do not want to face, you are afraid of facing yourself, because you have been aggressing others and you are afraid to aggress, in a way that is towards yourself. But there won’t be any aggression because that’s the perfect state where you see yourself and neither you aggress anyone nor you are aggressed by anyone, you just see yourself clearly. And that is what you have to see. Gradually you start seeing your chakras, seeing your problems, your thing and you know that how, gradually, it develops. But everybody wants a quick results. It’s alright, if you want quick results, alright, are you like that? If you are like that you will get a quick results; if you are not, then be patient with yourself, not with me, but with yourself, I am saying, you have to be patient, because there is a problem with you. So, you have to be patient with yourself and not with anybody else - that’s is the main point. If you are patient with yourself, this is a long promised thing which you are going to get. But you must learn to be patient with yourself and not to be angry with yourself, not to debase yourself or not to aggress yourself on to others. It’s a very simple thing, it’s the simplest thing to do, but because of our complex life and our complicated thinking we have become quite twined up into things. It can easily be got out of, you can just slip out of it without any difficulty. I know that you can do it so forget about all these things like, “My father, my sister, my brother.” All these problems will be burnt in no time as soon as your life runs straight. Everything will burn away, nothing will be left but your light and others who will come to you for enlightenment. I know that you are going to have a big day for a Guru puja. Before that I would request you to prepare yourself. I may do something great but I must have a proper recipient so [for] that you must prepare yourself. Think about it - are you loving others? Are you in love? Are you in love with everyone? Just to think that you love everyone is so great! I mean you ask me. Everybody says, “Mother, you look so young! How do you look?” Because I always think of how much I have to love. You see, so much love I have to give to others. Just think how great it is to love others. You know how people treat me sometimes, doesn’t matter, I’ll still love. I enjoy playing with it. In the same way you should love, and love is the thing that is going to unfold beautifully like a lotus, you see, opens out its petals and the beautiful fragrance starts flowing. In the same way, your heart will open out and the fragrance of love will spread throughout the world, it will ring into people. I know it can happen, the sooner the better and the choice is your own which you have to make a choice. So, I’m very happy because such a beautiful song to hear and just before Christmas which is a very big thing for me, you know that. And in the same way, we are having another Christmas now, Christmas to celebrate: a new Christ born within us. Let us prepare for His coming and how you prepare is not by running away from yourself, not by getting into frivolous things but by working it out, beautifully. Cleansing, cleansing has to be done if the Self has to be established in the temple of this being. May God bless you all. (Guided Meditation follows ) Now first before meditating, in your heart, or, you should see in your heart, and there try to put your Guru in the core of it. After establishing in the heart, you must bow to that with full devotion and dedication. Now, whatever you do with your mind, after Realisation, is not imagination because now your mind, your imagination, is itself enlightened. So project yourself in such a way that you humble down at the feet of your Guru and now ask for the necessary temperament needed for meditation, or atmosphere needed for meditation. Meditation is when you are one with the Divine. Now if there are thoughts coming in, first you have to say the first mantra, of course, and then watch inside. Also you must say mantra of Ganesha, will help some people. And then you should watch inside and see for yourself which is the biggest hurdle. First the thought. Now, for the thought, you have to say the mantra of Nirvichara, that, “Twameva sakshat Nirvichar sakshat Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi namoh namaha” Should say it thrice. (Yogis repeat a slightly different version of the mantra that Mother has suggested, three times.) Now we come to the hurdle of your ego because, you see, the thought has stopped now, no doubt, but there's still a pressure on the head. So, if it is ego, you have to say, “Twameva sakshat Mahatahamkaara…” - Mahat means 'the great', ahamkara means 'the ego' - “…sakshat Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi namoh namaha." Say it thrice. (Yogis again repeat a slightly different version of the mantra that Mother has suggested, three times.) Now, even now, if you find that ego is still there, then you have to raise your left side to push it back to the right hand side, with your hand; one hand towards the photograph. Push the left side higher and right side lower so the ego and super-ego get the balance. Do it seven times. Try to feel it, how you are feeling inside, you see. Now you raise your Kundalini up on the head and tie it up. Again raise your Kundalini up on the head and tie it up. Again raise your Kundalini and tie it up. Now at the Sahasrara you should say the mantra of Sahasrara, thrice. (yogis repeat Shri Kalki sakshat, Shri Sahasrara Swamini, Moksha Pradayini Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha three times) Now it's opened out if you see. Now you can open again your Sahasrara like this. Just take it down again and see that you are stationed there. Once this has been done then you go into meditation. This is like cleansing, you see, called as nyasa. Now, if you find any other obstruction, you can also say, like, if you have got, say, Mahakali's problem, you can say that mantra, clear it and then you sit down for meditation. Any individual thing, you can take it out, like, if you have the ego problem, if you think, then you should start with Mahatahamkara. It is what you have to find out: What is your problem? Where is the Kundalini stopping? You can feel it within yourself. Some of you may not feel. If you do not feel it, feel it on your fingers. If you are not feeling within yourself then feel it on your fingers, you can feel it. Ah, Better. Reduce your breathing, will be better. Reduce your breathing as if stopping, but no exertion about it. How is it now? Better? Where is the problem? Hmm? Yogi: Central heart Shri Mataji: Central heart? Alright, hold your breath. Not with great force, just ordinarily. Alright? Sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba. Alright? Leave it. Better now? Once again? Alright, hold your breath. Sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba. Haa. Leave it. Better. Keep your eyes open. Again. Hold it. Sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba. Leave it. Better now? Much relief. Alright? I mean, now left side. Put your left hand towards Me, right hand up there. Left hand towards Me, right hand like that… Hmm. Like this. Douglas (Fry), like this. Better? It’s liver. Over-thinking gives you liver also. Better. Better? Much better. It's coming down. …Hmm. Better now? What is it? Where do you feel? Vishuddhi? Better now.

How to go beyond the ego and know yourself, Meditation Advice at Dollis Hill ashram, London (UK), 18 November 1979. But Sahaja Yoga is that triggering great happening by which the creation of God is going to get its fulfilment and is going to know its meaning - it is that great! Perhaps we do not realise it. But when we say, "We are Sahaja Yogis,” you have to know that, to be a Sahaja Yogi, how much identified you should be with the Truth of Sahaja Yoga, and so many misidentifications which are hanging on to you must be get rid of. People call it a sacrifice. I do not think it is a sacrifice. If you think something is hampering your way you'll try to take out that hurdle. In the same way, if you stand out from your obstructions, you will be able to understand that these obstructions are standing in your way and they are not your own and that they are stopping your progress. So, you should get this misidentification out of your minds completely and try to be more and more your Self and not a misidentification. This is one the problems, I think, people have here. Whenever I get any complaints or anything, I understand that still the level of understanding about Sahaja Yoga is not up to that point. It is a tremendous task! And for that, if you are the people who have to come up and if you are the people who have to fight it, you have to understand it in its full extent and also understand where you stand for it: how much you have to do? how much you have to improve yourself? Because you are the people who are going to take the Sahaja Yoga to that position where it has to reach. Because as far as I am concerned, I have nothing to do anymore. I have done it. Now it is for you to receive, you have to imbibe into it and you have to change the whole thing; that is your job and that is why it is a serious matter. The second point, I always have been saying that, due to ego problem, we are very much disintegrated. You are so disintegrated that the connection with the Divine is never properly established. As I have said it, that this instrument (microphone) if it is divided into five parts and all the five parts are fighting with each other, you cannot get anything done through this instrument, though it is connected to the mains. In the same way if you still remain disintegrated you cannot get that connection. For example, people come down here, I have seen, for Sahaja Yoga; now they have other interests and there's other priorities and other things are there which are very important for them. All the time, they are wasting their time for that, and then they will say that, “Mother, we are not progressing much in Sahaja Yoga.” If you decide, as he (Mr. Venugopalan) has told you that, “We have to do Sahaja Yoga first and the other things are secondary,” then only the Sahaja Yoga can be really established into you. We’ll have some Sahaja Yogis of a very high level, I know that, and we will have some of very mediocre level, some will be absolutely useless and some would be absolutely thrown away. We’ll have all types. That also I know. Now it is for you to decide: where do you come? How far you are going to? If you are going to waste your time in thinking about other sahaja yogis and small, small things and trivial things as he has said it, your disintegration is going to be increased, you are going to [be] separated much more because all this decision is taken through your ego: “I don’t like it, I don’t do it, I don’t see it.” If you could somehow or other see your ego working, then you can get rid of it. And that is the thing one has to do; not to fight the ego. I never say, “Fight the ego!” But surrendering is the only way your ego can go. And that’s why the progress in the West, as you have seen it, is much less than it is in India. Now, take his case, I would say, particular case of [Mr.] Venugopalan: he’s really remarkable because he is a man who is holding a very big position in India. Here I see, even if a person is a dishwasher [and] he comes to Sahaja Yoga, still his ego is so big [that] even our Prime Minister won’t have such a big ego as he has! I mean, the way he will talk that, “I don’t like it, I do this, this!” I am myself amazed the way people [talk]! You see, everybody has become the King of England or what? The way they talk! This is something one should tell people when they come here, that, “Don’t waste Mataji’s energies in arguing and this and that,” because everybody thinks no end of themselves here, and that is the biggest hurdle that they have, when they even come first time, you find it so difficult! I have to show all my appreciation of their ego, all the time, just to satisfy them so that they come round. And this is how the progress becomes less. Now, in his case, (Venugopalan) he is a person who has been to all kinds of horrible ‘gurus’ and his wife has been also to all kinds of horrible ‘gurus’ because of another extreme in India we have, that we must respect all the saints. But these days the saints are fake saints, not only fake saints, but some of them are devils! So they are not going to say, “We are devils.” When they do not say they are devils or whatever it is, they do not come in their proper form, these simple, innocent people, who are seeking God, just go to them, give their heart, do everything and then they find that they are devils. Once they discover they are devils, then they are surprised. Then they come back from there, they go to another guru, they go to another guru, but the harm is done. But they get rid of that harm because they recognise that harm has been done and they know, what is the Truth is, what is to expect. I would say it is the blessing of that country that people know what to expect. People would not like to go, those who are really of a very good quality people, will not go to a man who shows some sort of a a sensationalisation or some sort of a chamatkar (चमत्कार) - is a miracle - they would not go, but they will go to other subtler people, who are very cunning and they put up another kind of a show and just say that, “No, no, this is the way you can achieve the highest,” and that’s how most of the sahaja yogis in India also have been - except for the village people and the district people - most of the city people have been to some guru or someone. But despite all that, they have left everything. I have told them, “You have to beat them with shoes.” They’ll do everything morning till…every day he does his sadhana (साधना) for one hour though he’s a very busy man. Here even to get up in the morning, people grudge. I mean, what can you do with such slow moving people? You see, it is absolutely very difficult! And this is what I feel that we must understand that we have a very great responsibility, very great responsibility in the West, because this has to happen in London, it has to happen in England to begin with, and that’s why you bear a very big responsibility. You have to evaluate yourself and you have to evaluate Sahaja Yoga, again and again and again. And know that what makes you slow is your ego - or even superego is there, no doubt - but ego is the main problem. I must tell you [that] ego is the main problem but I dare not say to anyone that, “This is your ego,” because that will just jump on to my head. But try to see your ego, how it is deviating, because it is your own joy you are seeking, it is your own property you are seeking, it is your own that is hidden from you, for which you have been seeking for ages now; that is what I have to expose for you. What is there to argue with a person, who is trying to give you the highest? It’s just a waste of energy. Do not waste your energy onto these things, onto frivolous things, about finding faults. Now he has been organising our Delhi Camp, he is the one who has organised our printing of the book and all. I have not known any problems there. You just tell them that, “This has to happen,” “Alright!” I do not know how it works out. You have stayed in Delhi. You have seen how many people were there. Never a problem! Did you hear anybody complaining? Or anybody quarrelling or fighting among themselves? Nothing of the kind! You see, this is not the sign of intelligence either; of all the time trying to find faults with each other or trying to blame yourself. Both things are wrong. Best thing is to grow in wisdom, we must grow in wisdom. We’ll, ourselves, see that we are becoming wiser and wiser. Some of you are really very grown up and some of you still go up and down, and some of you’re still very low. So all of us have to get up and all of us have to go together. If somebody has also achieved something it is of no use to Sahaja Yoga, as I have told you, it’s a collective thing that is going to work out. All of you have to work it out and it is so sweet that you have real brothers and sisters all over the world today. When you’ll go there with the full heart they are going to receive [you] as you have received him with full heart. But we all must come up! Come up to a point, where we can face each other with full love, with openness, without any worry about anything, without any fear of anyone; but just [that] they are your brothers and you are their brothers and that you have to love them. That’s only possible when we’ll get out of our fears here. Because there is also another side to it that ego always has a fear; because it aggresses others it is afraid also because it knows others can aggress. So this is a point we have got to think about. But that never means that in any way despise yourself, never! You are saints, you must know that. You are realised souls! How many there are realised souls in this world? How many there are who can raise the Kundalini? How many there are who understand what is vibrations? I’m going to tell you, on Guru puja, what things you have achieved, and how many things you have got within you, built-in now, which are working, and how your chakras are awakened through Sahaja Yoga. As he says, “Yes, it has happened.” But what are we doing about it? It’s is the greatest of the greatest that can happen to anyone; that you know. Also you know this is the greatest happening which was prophesised long time back as the Last Judgement. You know that this is the way you are going to be judged, so we have to work very hard, we have to work. It is effortlessly given to you, alright, but to maintain it, to keep it up to go higher, we have to religiously work it out with a very humble attitude - receiving more and more and more, imbibing it into your being. Let it trickle into your being, completely covering it. Let that joy, that Eternal Bliss come into you. I am so anxious for that. Do not make yourself a small person. Have a bigger vision, have bigger ideas because now you belong to the Bigger Thing, the biggest of all, the Primordial, the Highest, to the Viraat! If you realise your importance then you will work it out. You see, if you see an Indian Sahaja Yogi, you will be amazed! He sleeps only for two, three hours or four hours, but he will not give up his sadhana. If he can get his full sleep it’s alright. First thing he sees is, “One hour for sadhana in the morning. I have to get it out somehow.” But sleep? We have been sleeping all our lives! We have to correct ourselves, we have to rise, we have to go ahead - to achieve your own. That’s the main point is! See your own selfishness, I am telling! To know yourself is the greatest selfishness. If you do not know yourself, all the selfishness is useless. As you call a svartha (स्वार्थ), in Sanskrit it is said ‘svartha’. Svartha means ‘selfishness’. If you break it ‘sva’ ‘artha’ - if you know the meaning of your ‘sva’, means your ‘self’, then it is the greatest selfishness. So this is what it is and we are very happy that he’s here. We’ll be going to India also, next year we also are planning to go to India and you are going to meet [them]. Lots of them may come to Delhi and Bombay. They are all waiting for you, they are all planning how to receive you, they are so happy that so many of Sahaja Yogis from London and all over will be coming. And you know how they look after you and how they are happy and how they are joyous. And certain things definitely have gone wrong with us, we know that. We should understand them because these are the troubles of our over-thinking and over-reading and over-domination but we can get rid of it very easily. It is just to detach yourself and see for yourself addressing yourself, “Now Mr. how are you?” If you say like that, immediately your attention will go, through yourself you will see your outer being. That is very important. The more you see yourself clearly, the better it is. You have to face yourself. And you do not want to face, you are afraid of facing yourself, because you have been aggressing others and you are afraid to aggress, in a way that is towards yourself. But there won’t be any aggression because that’s the perfect state where you see yourself and neither you aggress anyone nor you are aggressed by anyone, you just see yourself clearly. And that is what you have to see. Gradually you start seeing your chakras, seeing your problems, your thing and you know that how, gradually, it develops. But everybody wants a quick results. It’s alright, if you want quick results, alright, are you like that? If you are like that you will get a quick results; if you are not, then be patient with yourself, not with me, but with yourself, I am saying, you have to be patient, because there is a problem with you. So, you have to be patient with yourself and not with anybody else - that’s is the main point. If you are patient with yourself, this is a long promised thing which you are going to get. But you must learn to be patient with yourself and not to be angry with yourself, not to debase yourself or not to aggress yourself on to others. It’s a very simple thing, it’s the simplest thing to do, but because of our complex life and our complicated thinking we have become quite twined up into things. It can easily be got out of, you can just slip out of it without any difficulty. I know that you can do it so forget about all these things like, “My father, my sister, my brother.” All these problems will be burnt in no time as soon as your life runs straight. Everything will burn away, nothing will be left but your light and others who will come to you for enlightenment. I know that you are going to have a big day for a Guru puja. Before that I would request you to prepare yourself. I may do something great but I must have a proper recipient so [for] that you must prepare yourself. Think about it - are you loving others? Are you in love? Are you in love with everyone? Just to think that you love everyone is so great! I mean you ask me. Everybody says, “Mother, you look so young! How do you look?” Because I always think of how much I have to love. You see, so much love I have to give to others. Just think how great it is to love others. You know how people treat me sometimes, doesn’t matter, I’ll still love. I enjoy playing with it. In the same way you should love, and love is the thing that is going to unfold beautifully like a lotus, you see, opens out its petals and the beautiful fragrance starts flowing. In the same way, your heart will open out and the fragrance of love will spread throughout the world, it will ring into people. I know it can happen, the sooner the better and the choice is your own which you have to make a choice. So, I’m very happy because such a beautiful song to hear and just before Christmas which is a very big thing for me, you know that. And in the same way, we are having another Christmas now, Christmas to celebrate: a new Christ born within us. Let us prepare for His coming and how you prepare is not by running away from yourself, not by getting into frivolous things but by working it out, beautifully. Cleansing, cleansing has to be done if the Self has to be established in the temple of this being. May God bless you all. (Guided Meditation follows ) Now first before meditating, in your heart, or, you should see in your heart, and there try to put your Guru in the core of it. After establishing in the heart, you must bow to that with full devotion and dedication. Now, whatever you do with your mind, after Realisation, is not imagination because now your mind, your imagination, is itself enlightened. So project yourself in such a way that you humble down at the feet of your Guru and now ask for the necessary temperament needed for meditation, or atmosphere needed for meditation. Meditation is when you are one with the Divine. Now if there are thoughts coming in, first you have to say the first mantra, of course, and then watch inside. Also you must say mantra of Ganesha, will help some people. And then you should watch inside and see for yourself which is the biggest hurdle. First the thought. Now, for the thought, you have to say the mantra of Nirvichara, that, “Twameva sakshat Nirvichar sakshat Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi namoh namaha” Should say it thrice. (Yogis repeat a slightly different version of the mantra that Mother has suggested, three times.) Now we come to the hurdle of your ego because, you see, the thought has stopped now, no doubt, but there's still a pressure on the head. So, if it is ego, you have to say, “Twameva sakshat Mahatahamkaara…” - Mahat means 'the great', ahamkara means 'the ego' - “…sakshat Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi namoh namaha." Say it thrice. (Yogis again repeat a slightly different version of the mantra that Mother has suggested, three times.) Now, even now, if you find that ego is still there, then you have to raise your left side to push it back to the right hand side, with your hand; one hand towards the photograph. Push the left side higher and right side lower so the ego and super-ego get the balance. Do it seven times. Try to feel it, how you are feeling inside, you see. Now you raise your Kundalini up on the head and tie it up. Again raise your Kundalini up on the head and tie it up. Again raise your Kundalini and tie it up. Now at the Sahasrara you should say the mantra of Sahasrara, thrice. (yogis repeat Shri Kalki sakshat, Shri Sahasrara Swamini, Moksha Pradayini Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi namoh namaha three times) Now it's opened out if you see. Now you can open again your Sahasrara like this. Just take it down again and see that you are stationed there. Once this has been done then you go into meditation. This is like cleansing, you see, called as nyasa. Now, if you find any other obstruction, you can also say, like, if you have got, say, Mahakali's problem, you can say that mantra, clear it and then you sit down for meditation. Any individual thing, you can take it out, like, if you have the ego problem, if you think, then you should start with Mahatahamkara. It is what you have to find out: What is your problem? Where is the Kundalini stopping? You can feel it within yourself. Some of you may not feel. If you do not feel it, feel it on your fingers. If you are not feeling within yourself then feel it on your fingers, you can feel it. Ah, Better. Reduce your breathing, will be better. Reduce your breathing as if stopping, but no exertion about it. How is it now? Better? Where is the problem? Hmm? Yogi: Central heart Shri Mataji: Central heart? Alright, hold your breath. Not with great force, just ordinarily. Alright? Sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba. Alright? Leave it. Better now? Once again? Alright, hold your breath. Sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba. Haa. Leave it. Better. Keep your eyes open. Again. Hold it. Sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba, sakshat Jagadamba. Leave it. Better now? Much relief. Alright? I mean, now left side. Put your left hand towards Me, right hand up there. Left hand towards Me, right hand like that… Hmm. Like this. Douglas (Fry), like this. Better? It’s liver. Over-thinking gives you liver also. Better. Better? Much better. It's coming down. …Hmm. Better now? What is it? Where do you feel? Vishuddhi? Better now.

11/21/1979

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Seeking in The West

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"Seeking in The West", Public program, Caxton Hall, London, England. 21 November 1979. I'm really thankful to Gavin, the way he has explained to you. His method is very meditative by which he permeates. I think he articulates better for the understanding of the Western mind. Now, I have been here in this country for so many years, and I have been working on Western people, and what I find is that there is a great seeking, no doubt. People are not satisfied with their life, with their mundane life. They think it is very routinous, they are bored, they think something has to happen. Then there are some people who think that if these great books of scriptures have described that there is something Divine, there is something higher, and there is something like what we call the All-pervading Power which is ruling this universe, and if one has to enter into the Kingdom of God, then there must be some way out, and we must find it. From inside, they don't feel happy about themselves. They're insecure, because they think they haven't got what they have been seeking. So there are markets open for such things, and when the demand comes in there is a supply from everywhere. Also from our great country that is India, we have supply of people coming down. Today I was talking to the people who have advertised and this and that, and they said that the market people have used all these adjectives, like: "It's a new way", "It's a new style", "It is what you're seeking, is inner experience, enlightenment", this, that, all that. Now one thing one has to say, that they are very clever, that they even say that there "No money is needed, no money will be charged, you will be accepted freely." So why are they doing this? I just can't understand. Why are they playing with the Divine? What makes them do all these things? It's a very dangerous game. If they really believe in the supreme Power of God, then they must know you cannot play with it. It's a very serious matter. Most of them sell it, all right? Most of them sort of have a go towards it. It happens because of two things. One is complete ignorance, what you call, they are denying about spiritual life. They don't know what is God, what are His powers. They themselves perhaps are just leading, like a blind man, other blind people. They may be not be bad at heart. I don't say they may want to ruin others. But the others could be really negative, horrible people, satanic, and they give you certain concepts through their books, through their advertisement or whatever it is, and that you accept, and you live by that. Now, whatever I say, they might say the same. If I say, "This is reality", they'll say, "This is reality". But saying is not the point. What should a seeker do? Seekers should ask for the real. Now, how? Say, I will say that, "Now, I'm going to give you a real cake to eat, or a real pudding to eat." You must taste, and you must see that you feel the taste of it, and that it should be a cake and not a plastic stuff. Now when you start testing these people also, you may get some sort of a scorpion biting in your tongue. Or maybe they might spoil you with it. It is that dangerous. They have done to many people like that. Those who come to Me, most of them were affected by some sort of a horrible person hitting them, because they are seeking. They will also say the same thing as, "We speak the language of love and of heart." I mean, it is very difficult and complicated in this world, where people are playing games with themselves and with others. They live with it. We should not play with ourselves. We should not play with the lives of others. It's a very dangerous game, as I have told you. Not only that, but it may reduce your chances of Realization today. We should find out, is there something happening within us? Are we getting transformed? What actualization has taken place within us? This should be the criteria. Have you felt anything in us? Actually, I never expected that one day I'll have to speak like other salesmen are there, that "This is genuine"; because so many have cropped up now. But it is impossible to make people understand that "Seek thyself", or Self Realization, means you should know about yourself and about others. It's to jump into the collective consciousness. It's an actualization. It is not just talking, talking, talking, or just brainwashing. It's a living force. If it is evolution, the living force has to work it out. It has to come up by itself. You should see it, you should feel it, it should be perceptible. It's not something in the air. But you have to give a little time to it sometimes, sometimes not. Such complicated personalities we have developed because of our thinking and over-thinking. We want to think about everything; as if we can even think about God. We go round and round ourselves, see, like a little cat getting into the circles of wool around her, and then she doesn't know how to get out of it. So we create our own cocoons in which we suffocate. So it is necessary to little bit put down your speed, and then see for yourself what you should expect. When you say "Self Realization", when you say "Self", what is it? Now, when I'm talking to you it is theoretical; you may think so. It's not, in a way, because Sahaja Yogis know it is not, but for normal people who are not yet realized, it's absolutely a theory. All right? You don't accept Me, but you don't deny Me, right? It has to work out. If it does not work out your need, we'll have to tell you that it has not worked out. It has to work out. Now, aren't you wanting your Self Realization? Why should you be attached to anything which doesn't give you reality? This, I cannot understand. Some people, because they have paid the money, they think we should go through the, all the bad experiences. But it is not only an experience which doesn't leave its dent in you; it leaves a very serious dents. So now we talk about what we are seeking, that is Self and Self Realization, and mechanism about which Gavin has said. Today I will talk about Self, because I have been talking about the mechanism so far, and would be nice to change over the topic a little bit. Now what is the Self we are talking about? What is Self Realization? As I said, you can take it as a theory for you. You can accept it as a theory for the time being. But then if it is a hypothesis, it has to be proved. Give yourself a chance. Do not jump into conclusions suddenly. Pay some attention to yourself. You have been running a rat-race. Stop it for a while. This is for you, only for you people. I don't need it; you have to get it. It's a gift. But that should not make your ego just stand up like that. After all, a mother can give you a gift, isn't it? What is there to be so angry about it? Now, the thing that we are talking about is the Self within us, in our heart. He resides within us. We should say "it" resides, it's better, because it does not have any bias, it is detached. It is the reflection of God Almighty which is called as the light, the light that enlightens, that light that flickers within us. That is the Self. That is the Spirit. That's not spirit the way people understand the spiritualist. This is your own expression of the reflection of God within you. God is reflecting in your heart, of which you are aware, but you cannot see through it. You need to follow My point, this one. There is light. Light enlightens, there is the flame, the light, and this light enlightens everything. There are three things. The one that is to be enlightened has to know the One that enlightens it. You've got your life, you are leading a human life, you are a human being. God has made you a human being. Or evolution has made you a human being. If you feel challenged even if I take the name of God, all right, let us keep it that you are a human being because of evolution, all right. Now this human being has to know that One, the One who has brought forth this evolution. Do we know how we have become human beings? Do we know why we have become human beings? Is there is any purpose to our life? Or we are just born here to enjoy life and die, or cry and weep and die? There is something to be known, but we have not known it. So all these three things are in one personality, that is, the Self. Now, these personalities are expressed within us in three ways. First is our attention. Through our evolution we have developed a personality by which we have an human attention. Attention is spread out like that. But directed attention is called as laksha in Sanskrit language. So we have two types of attention. One is the attention as it is, and once you put your attention to something, that is another attention, we can say, or the directed attention. This attention we have developed through our evolution; is within us, but is not yet, though directed towards Self, has not reached that. So this Self, this Spirit, this Atma has got to enlighten that attention that is ours, because our attention is not enlightened. We have no discrimination. We are so confused. We don't know which to believe, which not to believe. We don't know why ... is correct, or ... is correct. We are so confused. Our attention is confused. Why? Because we haven't found out the Absolute. Why? Because in the darkness we are seeing our things. If our attention is enlightened, then we can see everything clearly, but is only possible if you touch that Spirit within you, that light within you. So you are attention, you are Chit, but unenlightened one. So human attention has reached a certain stage of development, but is not yet enlightened. I say so; you believe it or not, but it has to be enlightened. I say so, and it has to be done, which you also ask for. So the Spirit can be only known through the enlightened attention which you have, and it can be only enlightened by the light. This is the problem. Once you understand that there is a flicker within us which we cannot reach, there is Somebody who knows about us everything, Kshetragna, knows about the field, what we do. But we cannot attain that. Though we are aware of it, His being there, there is some sort of a curtain in between. What is that curtain? - is of ignorance. This ignorance also can go, only if there is light: again the same problem. There is a curtain of ignorance, and we cannot see that light which has to enlighten, because the curtains are drawn. We are in complete ignorance. So the ignorance has to go, by discovering the truth about it. So we come to the second point, that is the truth. Now, what is the truth, people will ask, what is the truth? Without the light, how can we explain? Supposing you find a rope lying on the road or somewhere, and you're frightened. How are you to be convinced that it is not a snake but it's just a rope lying, unless and until you put some light on that, and show for definite that this is just a rope and a myth? So your attention has to be enlightened, first thing, and to get rid of your ignorance you have to find out the truth. And then you know that the Self, the Spirit emits joy, joy which is beyond the duality of sorrow and happiness. You have to go beyond that, beyond the duality, to be that. That's your destination. So how to reach to that, is the problem. There is a way inside us, already created within us. The One who has created you, the One who has made you a human being, is going to arrange for you the same thing within you. Every seed has got a primule, a germinating power within it, and it grows spontaneously by itself, and it can create a tree. Then, is it not possible that God Himself has to worry about His own creation, which has flowered into human beings, that He should Himself do something about it? It's absolutely rational. How much truth have you found out so far? Whatever is subjective in you, is the truth. The rest is only your endeavor, on your effort. Say, for example, if you know this is hot or cold, of course that is truth, that is subjective. If you can feel the numbness, yes, that is subjective. If you feel pins and needles, that is subjective. All the rest of it, whatever you do, is your effort, is to read something or to write something, or to inform something. God knows how much part of it is the truth and how much is not. So the idea of truth itself is so confused, because the means of knowing the truth is so limited within our... You have to become with your Self as absolutely identified, then you can see through it what is the truth and what is not the truth. But so far, as a human being, what have we discovered so far? That there is a moon hanging in the air or in the atmosphere, and that you go and find the same sort of thing that is here. That's not the truth, by any chance. Who has made the moon and the earth? Who has made even us, this brain, which takes you to the moon? No questions have been answered by science so far. If you ask one simple question, why there is gravity in the Mother Earth? Why? One question, why? You ask the scientists, they cannot answer. It's just whatever is there. You see this hall is made, all right. Then you have seen this is how it is made. Yes, it is before you. You see it. What is so special? What is to discover in it? How it is supported, why it is supported. But still why? Why is so much weight there supports so much of weight? Why? So, no questions can be answered. Why are we human beings? Because the truth that we have found out is through our rationality, which is a limited thing, which can only tell you whatever is in the matter around us, or whatever you see in the human psyche that's happening, which you can see clearly. But why it happens, nobody can say. So with that, we should not develop an inferiority complex. No, that is the amount of achievement you have got now. You have to go further with it, that's all. Not to feel inferior or in any way confused about it, or in any way guilty about anything, but just to be in the center to see that we have reached a certain point, and we have to go further, finished. This is what you are seeking today: your wholesomeness. You are seeking in that, because you are just moving alone, and you are not related to the moon. You do not know how you are related to England. You do not know how you are related to your own wife, or your children, everything. That evolution, the last bit of it where the instrument is completely created, and that evolution where you have to jump into that higher evolution, into that personality which can perceive, which can perceive, I said. Again I'm talking about actualization, which can perceive, can feel as a subjective experience, not as an objective experience, like for a poet, I would say, stand here and give you a big romantic scene out of this snow. And you may get into that imagination and enjoy it, but again you come down straight on the grass, on the ground. I am saying "the subjective experience," means that is to be built in your awareness. It's not just to be believed into or imagined into, but it has to be built in you, like a flower becoming a fruit. It is no imagination. So then only you can get enlightened. Your attention will be enlightened. When the attention is enlightened within you, naturally you start seeing things from the real angle. The thing that looked like a snake to you becomes a rope. A person who looked like a bad person, starts looking something different, because you couldn't see the person. The whole entire personality changes gradually, but this movement can be very slow in some people, absolute snail's pace, and in some people it is very fast. It trips very fast, depending on what sort of loads you have on your head, on your attention. If your attention is too involved and too much into ... and too much into all kinds of absurd things, you see, then it takes time. But if you're like a child, it works very fast and the impact is very great. Then also not to feel bad about it, that if you do not get it very fast, it's all right. I have patience, and you should have patience with yourself. So this is the spiritual contract we have to have within ourselves, is that, that you have to have your experience because it is promised to you. You have to get it, and that you have to love yourself as I love you. Full faith and patience we have to see. So these are the three things which come into place suddenly by a certain movement. And what is the movement that we have? We had gas lights before in this country, and one flicker would be burning, and when the flow of the gas would start, it would enlighten that light and the whole place would be filled with light. The flicker is burning in our heart, and that flicker is there. While something has to happen, that force has to come from somewhere, and that force is kept within you. It's really in the purest form, absolutely preserved in the back-bone. In so many people you can see the rising of it, and it passes through the center, the central line. Now there are three lines, as you see. The one left side is the one which is the existence, which gives you the joy. The second one in this side is the line which creates your attention, and the central one is the one that gives you the awareness or the truth, as far as you know it. We are aware of many things. For example, we are aware of the filthy odor; an animal is not. Human beings are aware of many things, but we are not aware of sin. We talk of righteousness. We are not aware of a person, whether he is righteous or not. We are not bothered about ourselves, or whether we are righteous or not. We are very worried about our own cleanliness outside. We must have a wash, must always wash, put some good fragrance; you see, others should not feel our dirt and filth. We are not aware of the filth that we have within, and others have that filth within them. We carry on; oh, we compromise: we can live with anyone we want to, we cannot feel it. So "something new" means, what should happen? Should we start dancing, all of us? Or should we start singing or jumping, or standing on our heads? Or saying that we are very bad, and something is wrong? There is this program coming tomorrow; they paid three hundred pounds for that nonsense. This all we can do. It's not difficult to stand on your head. Some people were trying some tricks to fly, and they were trying the tricks in a way that you do it in a circus, to jump on a horse, you see. You practice it and then you can jump quite high to get on to a horse. So they were practicing, you see, that. You pay for it also, thinking they're going to fly in the air like that, you see. All this foolishness and stupidity, we can all do it. It is in our effort. We are quite capable of being very stupid. Animals cannot be. This is other awareness we have got. If we want to be, we can be really stupid. Now, we see that stupidity around. We know that people are stupid, we have been stupid, playing stupidly. It's very interesting sometimes the way people are stupid, you know, quite flabbergasted at such things. We are ourselves. This is also human achievement, that we can be stupid if we want to. The other achievement human beings have very nicely achieved and have maintained, is that they can disintegrate themselves. They had a gentleman coming to Me. He said that, "Mother, now I have no feelings." I was shocked. I said, "You have no feelings?" "No, no feelings for my children, no feeling for my wife, no feeling for anybody. If somebody dies, I don't mind." I was quite surprised at him. I said, "How could you achieve that? What are you doing?" He said, "Nothing. I am running for three miles these days and jogging." I said, "With that did you develop this thing?" He answered: "Yes, and what a nice state!" Instead of getting joy, you develop a dry, cruel personality. A tiger would be cruel, as much as he has to be. Means he has to kill people and eat, that's all. But human beings can be cruel to any extent. I mean, you wouldn't find anybody like Ayatollah in any animal state, you see, somebody behaving like this. We have all kinds of things we have made by our disintegration. That's how we become spies, and all sorts of things we do. We have wars, because we start justifying everything by our rationality. So this is the achievement we have got so far, and here we are, seeking God. Now, God is integrating. He integrates, while we are busy playing games. His game is very different. He will integrate you in such a way that you cannot disintegrate any more. He'll give you that joy, that you will not go any more to these useless pleasures of life which are for a very short time, and then you give up. He does that. He works it out that way. That's what we have to receive. If you try to do that, then He will know that you are doing it. After Realization you start feeling it on your fingers, that you are doing wrong. Say, we can feel everybody's chakras on our fingers, once you are enlightened. The centers by which you can guide others, by which you can guide yourself, by which you can understand yourself and others, is only possible if you are enlightened, if the light has come in your attention. Now I feel this, I know it is cold. I feel that, I know it is hot. But if you feel somebody who is, suddenly you feel, you see, you are feeling hot here on this finger. Every person who is a realized soul will feel this finger hot. Everyone will feel from that person. Now, what does that mean? If you feel this finger hot, what does that mean? That means the other person has a problem with his father, or he himself as a father; the fatherhood is challenged in him, just imagine. We have our father within us, and the father that we are going to be, within us, and you can feel it. No medicine, no human awareness can detect it. None of your instruments can detect it. Like, this is the problem with this man, is that he is unkind to his father, or he is unkind as a father. You go to the psychologists, they'll ask you ten questions and end you up in the lunatic asylum. They will follow later! This is a little child, say, who is a realized soul, can immediately say the same thing: "This is the finger that's catching." And also you are to be told what is the decoding, what does this mean, what does this mean, what does this mean. You need somebody to tell you, and I'm here at your service. Not only that, but you have to also know how to correct. I've said it a hundred times and again I'm going to say the same thing, that cancer can only be cured through Sahaja Yoga, and a Sahaja Yogi cannot get cancer. It's a fact, but it's not easy to convince people. Yesterday I was watching the film made by Mr Wallace who was a very great scientist of this. What he said, that in this country it is so difficult to establish yourself, because if you try to say anything that you have got, people will immediately try to find out what you haven't got, and they will deny you, and they are experts in it. I said, "I had it!" But it is for you to get something. This is one thing, if you realize: "We have to get something", then you wouldn't be that critical, you wouldn't be that frantic. You will settle down a little bit: " Let's see what I can get out of it." You have to achieve something. This is what is Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja - "Saha" means "with" and "Ja" means "born". It's born with you, spontaneously in your evolutionary process. You are here now at this point. As it is shown here, there are these seven chakras within you and there's a Kundalini there, for which you can get a chart from these people and you can understand, as Gavin has said, that: "Four, five years I've been realized, and knowledge is so great." It's very true. And every day I'm learning myself from human beings what sort of things they are have gone into, see: many things I have never known, that people could be that stupid or could be that cruel, or could be that funny. It is very, very surprising how people play games, how they play that cunning. I'm really flabbergasted sometimes, how they have lost their innocence, and how do they believe that others have no brains? Give it up. It has no meaning. That's not you are here for; no, no! It's not meant for you. It's meant for some jugglers, or we can call them some horrible devils, not for you. You are seekers, you are saints. Evaluate yourself. If you are real saints, then you should not go in for anything that is not real: discard it. About the mechanism, about the Kundalini also, many people have written such a lot without knowing anything about it. Look at their audacity! I cannot imagine, how can you write about something which you do not know a word? Getting a shock somewhere, you start writing about electricity, its creation and everything; how can you do it? This is another achievement of human beings. They can write falsehood, they can tell lies, they can write lies, they can write books after books with lies. They can give you all that is non-knowledge, absurd, false, just because they think they must be significant somewhere. Or they can do anything. They can put their nose in such a way that it looks like eyes. Or something like that they are up to, something absurd. Absurdity is a quality of human beings. Human beings cannot be absurd, but they are! Now, the animals are surprised at the absurdity of human beings. They just get confused: "Why is he behaving like this?" You might see your dog or cat sometimes puzzled at you: "Why is he so like this? What's the matter? Is he all right?" It has been happening to so many people around, you must have seen, and you must be wondering, "What is it?" The thing is, they are not yet complete. So all these things are only possible when you have the light. For example, when you are walking in the dark, a cat will see you because cat can walk straight on. A dog can walk straight on. There are some birds who can even hear the rumbling of the stones when the earthquake has to come. But only the human beings do not know anything about the future or the past, and also does not know anything about the present. He is groping, and his groping looks stupid and looks funny. But once the light comes in, then he walks straight. But his straight walking also is not going to help you, unless and until you walk straight, and you get it. So all the concepts we have about things may be stupid concepts. I have seen people, when they come to My program, and if they ask too many questions I know that they will be the first to leave, just to disturb the meeting and to delay, just to show off, be significant. Mostly, ninety-nine-point-nine percent ask questions and they are the first to leave. After asking the question, they are the first to leave; is a very common experience that we have had before. So Sahaja Yoga is a way of nature, is the way of God. He has given you the right to be that. It is your right that you get it. That you establish yourself is your own doing, where you put in your effort to establish yourself. But to get the light is all right, then you establish it yourself; look after it, grow in it, mature it, enjoy it. Then only, you enjoy. Unless and until you are grown, you cannot enjoy. So you have to grow into it, then you will enjoy, and that is the Kingdom of God which is being promised to you, in which you feel collectively conscious. This is what it is, and that is the Last Judgment, which has been told. How are they going to judge you? Are they going to weigh you on the scales like the beauty contest? Think about it: how are they going to judge you? (part missing)... of cleansing yourself, going ahead. And takes time. It's not (part missing) be cleansed through this Kundalini. She works it. She goes round. She cleanses you completely. She cleanses all your problems, gradually, and then you start settling down. That is how you are judged. She judges you. She tells, "Here is the problem. That is the problem." You judge yourself. You see for yourself: "This is the problem. That is the problem"; you correct yourself. Once you have corrected yourself, then you accept that correction. You are told how you correct. It's very simple methods are there, because the radiation of Divine starts flowing through you. As Christ had said, "Something passed through My body". But you have your own gods, you have your own goddesses, you have everything of your own: it's just mythical. Face it yourself. You need not believe into anything, but you need not disbelieve also. Just like as you go into a college, you have to study, not believing into anything or non-believing, but you have to see for yourself. You have to experiment yourself. In the same way, it is very individualistic in a way, but works out in a very collective method. Now this time is over, I think. I've spoken today a different language, of the Self, of the Spirit. We have to think about the Spirit. The rest is all useless. We have to get to it, not by reading about it, not by talking about it, but by taking our attention to it. And you do not take it. Actually, it is the Kundalini which is going to take. But let it work out; Kundalini has to work out. It's very simple: like one candle which is enlightened can enlighten another candle, in the same way it works out. But if the candle is a little upset, then the same candle which is enlightened can also put it right. It is that simple. Not to allow your egos to be challenged in any way. It's a very simple method. Just think how you have become human being, in a very simple way. You never even felt. But first time, you are going to do your evolution, that you are changed, transformed, because it will happen in this lifetime. I hope it will work out for those who are new and those who have been coming. They'll go deeper into it, to understand that it's only the light of the Self which one has to achieve, and then you become that. You dissolve into that. That's the beauty everybody has to achieve. May God bless you all. Now those who have come for the first time, I would request them to sit mostly on the first or the second row, and the Sahaja Yogis can sit later on, because, you see, I can put more attention to them. Oh, nice to bring the baby over. It's very sweet of you. Please come forward, please. These days I find many children who are born in England are born realized. They're just born realized. You cannot make out between a realized person and non-realized person, but a realized person can make it out. So many children we have seen are born realized, and they have a special value. They have a special value: very special vibrations. You can make it out who are the born realized, and they recognize Me, too. So nice you brought them along, and you must also know that if you have realized children as your children, you, too, have a very special value. If you do not come up to that, that's wrong. They have chosen you because they think there's something about you. Otherwise, why should they choose you? Self realized people choose their parents with great care, and it would be really failing them if you do not come up to that. So, let us have the Realization. Just put your hands like this: very simple way, is like that. If you could take out your shoes, would be better. Put both the feet on the Mother Earth, just like this. Now, what do we do, is nothing but from your hands. As you know there are centers here, as I have told you. These centers receive the message in a subjective way. It passes through your Visshuddi chakra there, because it goes here on to this center and informs here. From there it goes up and informs the lowest chakra there, which is below the Kundalini. This is the center of innocence, the first chakra, is the most important, and that informs the Kundalini that: "All right, the message has come." Then this Kundalini starts rising through these different centers. These centers are landmarks of our mental, physical, emotional being, and also spiritual being. And when they pass through that, and the Kundalini when it passes through that, it starts enlightening those centers and showing what is the problem. If it cannot move, it makes an indication on the fingers of the realized soul. Then they can correct it there. Then it goes up. Then they correct it, because it flows from their hands, this, from their fingers, this power. They correct it, and then by correction they allow the Kundalini to rise and pierce this bone here, which is known as fontanelle bone. When it pierces this bone, then you become that subtle form, you become that subtle being which is collectively conscious. You become, again and again I say, you become. But first thing what happens is that your attention is enlightened, that is, you start feeling the cool in the hand. Or we can say that the subjective truth is dawned upon you, that you start feeling cool breeze in your hand. Now, it's written in the Sanskrit language also and also otherwise in the Bible, anywhere you read, that "Salilaam, Salilaam ". It's the cool breeze. The Mother flows like the cool breeze. The Primordial Mother, the Adi Shakti, or the Holy Ghost, has the cool breeze. So it starts coming like cool breeze within us. That's the light of the Spirit. That's the Power of the Mother. That starts flowing, and you start feeling it gradually happening to you. It goes inside and you see that, once it starts coming into you, that you turn to some other person, to find that you are giving cool breeze. It would be nice if I see some people who give Me cool breeze, but so far it has not happened. That's the only problem, but if they could give Me, I'll be very happy. It's always you get it from Me. So doesn't matter, because My style is just to give, and give, and give. I cannot take. So far, I've not been able to take. I wish one of you could do that; I'll be very happy. This is the peace. This is the bliss, and by which your fingers get enlightened, your attention gets enlightened, you start feeling others, you start understanding yourself, where are you caught up. If you put yourself into a cocoon like this, and you see watching: "Where am I caught up?", you can see. Sitting down here, you can think about anybody, your mother, father, anybody; you will know which center you are catching, and all these centers denote something within you. But if you want Me to teach you everything in one day, it's not possible. You have to give some time to yourself, that's all. I think that's the only thing needed, is that you have to give some time to yourself, and you have to value yourself. You have to do it seriously and take it upon yourself, so that your physical being, your mental being, emotional being is all completely cleansed, and you enjoy your spiritual being. So let's have it now. Let's see. Just put your hands like this, like that, and you have to close your eyes. Some people cannot close their eyes because they get flickering. If that is the condition, then open your eyes. This is not hypnosis, not any brainwashing, nothing of the kind. If it does not happen, it does not happen. But we have people here who can work it out. I can work it out also. All right, let's have it now. Ah, I hope you don't ask Me questions, because it's unnecessarily a waste. Some people have something in their head, but just forget it. You get yourself realized, and then we'll see about it. But it's not only today. You have to come again. Come again and establish it within yourself, and all the knowledge I will tell you, everything. No secrets will be kept, and you will become master of this. Good.

"Seeking in The West", Public program, Caxton Hall, London, England. 21 November 1979. I'm really thankful to Gavin, the way he has explained to you. His method is very meditative by which he permeates. I think he articulates better for the understanding of the Western mind. Now, I have been here in this country for so many years, and I have been working on Western people, and what I find is that there is a great seeking, no doubt. People are not satisfied with their life, with their mundane life. They think it is very routinous, they are bored, they think something has to happen. Then there are some people who think that if these great books of scriptures have described that there is something Divine, there is something higher, and there is something like what we call the All-pervading Power which is ruling this universe, and if one has to enter into the Kingdom of God, then there must be some way out, and we must find it. From inside, they don't feel happy about themselves. They're insecure, because they think they haven't got what they have been seeking. So there are markets open for such things, and when the demand comes in there is a supply from everywhere. Also from our great country that is India, we have supply of people coming down. Today I was talking to the people who have advertised and this and that, and they said that the market people have used all these adjectives, like: "It's a new way", "It's a new style", "It is what you're seeking, is inner experience, enlightenment", this, that, all that. Now one thing one has to say, that they are very clever, that they even say that there "No money is needed, no money will be charged, you will be accepted freely." So why are they doing this? I just can't understand. Why are they playing with the Divine? What makes them do all these things? It's a very dangerous game. If they really believe in the supreme Power of God, then they must know you cannot play with it. It's a very serious matter. Most of them sell it, all right? Most of them sort of have a go towards it. It happens because of two things. One is complete ignorance, what you call, they are denying about spiritual life. They don't know what is God, what are His powers. They themselves perhaps are just leading, like a blind man, other blind people. They may be not be bad at heart. I don't say they may want to ruin others. But the others could be really negative, horrible people, satanic, and they give you certain concepts through their books, through their advertisement or whatever it is, and that you accept, and you live by that. Now, whatever I say, they might say the same. If I say, "This is reality", they'll say, "This is reality". But saying is not the point. What should a seeker do? Seekers should ask for the real. Now, how? Say, I will say that, "Now, I'm going to give you a real cake to eat, or a real pudding to eat." You must taste, and you must see that you feel the taste of it, and that it should be a cake and not a plastic stuff. Now when you start testing these people also, you may get some sort of a scorpion biting in your tongue. Or maybe they might spoil you with it. It is that dangerous. They have done to many people like that. Those who come to Me, most of them were affected by some sort of a horrible person hitting them, because they are seeking. They will also say the same thing as, "We speak the language of love and of heart." I mean, it is very difficult and complicated in this world, where people are playing games with themselves and with others. They live with it. We should not play with ourselves. We should not play with the lives of others. It's a very dangerous game, as I have told you. Not only that, but it may reduce your chances of Realization today. We should find out, is there something happening within us? Are we getting transformed? What actualization has taken place within us? This should be the criteria. Have you felt anything in us? Actually, I never expected that one day I'll have to speak like other salesmen are there, that "This is genuine"; because so many have cropped up now. But it is impossible to make people understand that "Seek thyself", or Self Realization, means you should know about yourself and about others. It's to jump into the collective consciousness. It's an actualization. It is not just talking, talking, talking, or just brainwashing. It's a living force. If it is evolution, the living force has to work it out. It has to come up by itself. You should see it, you should feel it, it should be perceptible. It's not something in the air. But you have to give a little time to it sometimes, sometimes not. Such complicated personalities we have developed because of our thinking and over-thinking. We want to think about everything; as if we can even think about God. We go round and round ourselves, see, like a little cat getting into the circles of wool around her, and then she doesn't know how to get out of it. So we create our own cocoons in which we suffocate. So it is necessary to little bit put down your speed, and then see for yourself what you should expect. When you say "Self Realization", when you say "Self", what is it? Now, when I'm talking to you it is theoretical; you may think so. It's not, in a way, because Sahaja Yogis know it is not, but for normal people who are not yet realized, it's absolutely a theory. All right? You don't accept Me, but you don't deny Me, right? It has to work out. If it does not work out your need, we'll have to tell you that it has not worked out. It has to work out. Now, aren't you wanting your Self Realization? Why should you be attached to anything which doesn't give you reality? This, I cannot understand. Some people, because they have paid the money, they think we should go through the, all the bad experiences. But it is not only an experience which doesn't leave its dent in you; it leaves a very serious dents. So now we talk about what we are seeking, that is Self and Self Realization, and mechanism about which Gavin has said. Today I will talk about Self, because I have been talking about the mechanism so far, and would be nice to change over the topic a little bit. Now what is the Self we are talking about? What is Self Realization? As I said, you can take it as a theory for you. You can accept it as a theory for the time being. But then if it is a hypothesis, it has to be proved. Give yourself a chance. Do not jump into conclusions suddenly. Pay some attention to yourself. You have been running a rat-race. Stop it for a while. This is for you, only for you people. I don't need it; you have to get it. It's a gift. But that should not make your ego just stand up like that. After all, a mother can give you a gift, isn't it? What is there to be so angry about it? Now, the thing that we are talking about is the Self within us, in our heart. He resides within us. We should say "it" resides, it's better, because it does not have any bias, it is detached. It is the reflection of God Almighty which is called as the light, the light that enlightens, that light that flickers within us. That is the Self. That is the Spirit. That's not spirit the way people understand the spiritualist. This is your own expression of the reflection of God within you. God is reflecting in your heart, of which you are aware, but you cannot see through it. You need to follow My point, this one. There is light. Light enlightens, there is the flame, the light, and this light enlightens everything. There are three things. The one that is to be enlightened has to know the One that enlightens it. You've got your life, you are leading a human life, you are a human being. God has made you a human being. Or evolution has made you a human being. If you feel challenged even if I take the name of God, all right, let us keep it that you are a human being because of evolution, all right. Now this human being has to know that One, the One who has brought forth this evolution. Do we know how we have become human beings? Do we know why we have become human beings? Is there is any purpose to our life? Or we are just born here to enjoy life and die, or cry and weep and die? There is something to be known, but we have not known it. So all these three things are in one personality, that is, the Self. Now, these personalities are expressed within us in three ways. First is our attention. Through our evolution we have developed a personality by which we have an human attention. Attention is spread out like that. But directed attention is called as laksha in Sanskrit language. So we have two types of attention. One is the attention as it is, and once you put your attention to something, that is another attention, we can say, or the directed attention. This attention we have developed through our evolution; is within us, but is not yet, though directed towards Self, has not reached that. So this Self, this Spirit, this Atma has got to enlighten that attention that is ours, because our attention is not enlightened. We have no discrimination. We are so confused. We don't know which to believe, which not to believe. We don't know why ... is correct, or ... is correct. We are so confused. Our attention is confused. Why? Because we haven't found out the Absolute. Why? Because in the darkness we are seeing our things. If our attention is enlightened, then we can see everything clearly, but is only possible if you touch that Spirit within you, that light within you. So you are attention, you are Chit, but unenlightened one. So human attention has reached a certain stage of development, but is not yet enlightened. I say so; you believe it or not, but it has to be enlightened. I say so, and it has to be done, which you also ask for. So the Spirit can be only known through the enlightened attention which you have, and it can be only enlightened by the light. This is the problem. Once you understand that there is a flicker within us which we cannot reach, there is Somebody who knows about us everything, Kshetragna, knows about the field, what we do. But we cannot attain that. Though we are aware of it, His being there, there is some sort of a curtain in between. What is that curtain? - is of ignorance. This ignorance also can go, only if there is light: again the same problem. There is a curtain of ignorance, and we cannot see that light which has to enlighten, because the curtains are drawn. We are in complete ignorance. So the ignorance has to go, by discovering the truth about it. So we come to the second point, that is the truth. Now, what is the truth, people will ask, what is the truth? Without the light, how can we explain? Supposing you find a rope lying on the road or somewhere, and you're frightened. How are you to be convinced that it is not a snake but it's just a rope lying, unless and until you put some light on that, and show for definite that this is just a rope and a myth? So your attention has to be enlightened, first thing, and to get rid of your ignorance you have to find out the truth. And then you know that the Self, the Spirit emits joy, joy which is beyond the duality of sorrow and happiness. You have to go beyond that, beyond the duality, to be that. That's your destination. So how to reach to that, is the problem. There is a way inside us, already created within us. The One who has created you, the One who has made you a human being, is going to arrange for you the same thing within you. Every seed has got a primule, a germinating power within it, and it grows spontaneously by itself, and it can create a tree. Then, is it not possible that God Himself has to worry about His own creation, which has flowered into human beings, that He should Himself do something about it? It's absolutely rational. How much truth have you found out so far? Whatever is subjective in you, is the truth. The rest is only your endeavor, on your effort. Say, for example, if you know this is hot or cold, of course that is truth, that is subjective. If you can feel the numbness, yes, that is subjective. If you feel pins and needles, that is subjective. All the rest of it, whatever you do, is your effort, is to read something or to write something, or to inform something. God knows how much part of it is the truth and how much is not. So the idea of truth itself is so confused, because the means of knowing the truth is so limited within our... You have to become with your Self as absolutely identified, then you can see through it what is the truth and what is not the truth. But so far, as a human being, what have we discovered so far? That there is a moon hanging in the air or in the atmosphere, and that you go and find the same sort of thing that is here. That's not the truth, by any chance. Who has made the moon and the earth? Who has made even us, this brain, which takes you to the moon? No questions have been answered by science so far. If you ask one simple question, why there is gravity in the Mother Earth? Why? One question, why? You ask the scientists, they cannot answer. It's just whatever is there. You see this hall is made, all right. Then you have seen this is how it is made. Yes, it is before you. You see it. What is so special? What is to discover in it? How it is supported, why it is supported. But still why? Why is so much weight there supports so much of weight? Why? So, no questions can be answered. Why are we human beings? Because the truth that we have found out is through our rationality, which is a limited thing, which can only tell you whatever is in the matter around us, or whatever you see in the human psyche that's happening, which you can see clearly. But why it happens, nobody can say. So with that, we should not develop an inferiority complex. No, that is the amount of achievement you have got now. You have to go further with it, that's all. Not to feel inferior or in any way confused about it, or in any way guilty about anything, but just to be in the center to see that we have reached a certain point, and we have to go further, finished. This is what you are seeking today: your wholesomeness. You are seeking in that, because you are just moving alone, and you are not related to the moon. You do not know how you are related to England. You do not know how you are related to your own wife, or your children, everything. That evolution, the last bit of it where the instrument is completely created, and that evolution where you have to jump into that higher evolution, into that personality which can perceive, which can perceive, I said. Again I'm talking about actualization, which can perceive, can feel as a subjective experience, not as an objective experience, like for a poet, I would say, stand here and give you a big romantic scene out of this snow. And you may get into that imagination and enjoy it, but again you come down straight on the grass, on the ground. I am saying "the subjective experience," means that is to be built in your awareness. It's not just to be believed into or imagined into, but it has to be built in you, like a flower becoming a fruit. It is no imagination. So then only you can get enlightened. Your attention will be enlightened. When the attention is enlightened within you, naturally you start seeing things from the real angle. The thing that looked like a snake to you becomes a rope. A person who looked like a bad person, starts looking something different, because you couldn't see the person. The whole entire personality changes gradually, but this movement can be very slow in some people, absolute snail's pace, and in some people it is very fast. It trips very fast, depending on what sort of loads you have on your head, on your attention. If your attention is too involved and too much into ... and too much into all kinds of absurd things, you see, then it takes time. But if you're like a child, it works very fast and the impact is very great. Then also not to feel bad about it, that if you do not get it very fast, it's all right. I have patience, and you should have patience with yourself. So this is the spiritual contract we have to have within ourselves, is that, that you have to have your experience because it is promised to you. You have to get it, and that you have to love yourself as I love you. Full faith and patience we have to see. So these are the three things which come into place suddenly by a certain movement. And what is the movement that we have? We had gas lights before in this country, and one flicker would be burning, and when the flow of the gas would start, it would enlighten that light and the whole place would be filled with light. The flicker is burning in our heart, and that flicker is there. While something has to happen, that force has to come from somewhere, and that force is kept within you. It's really in the purest form, absolutely preserved in the back-bone. In so many people you can see the rising of it, and it passes through the center, the central line. Now there are three lines, as you see. The one left side is the one which is the existence, which gives you the joy. The second one in this side is the line which creates your attention, and the central one is the one that gives you the awareness or the truth, as far as you know it. We are aware of many things. For example, we are aware of the filthy odor; an animal is not. Human beings are aware of many things, but we are not aware of sin. We talk of righteousness. We are not aware of a person, whether he is righteous or not. We are not bothered about ourselves, or whether we are righteous or not. We are very worried about our own cleanliness outside. We must have a wash, must always wash, put some good fragrance; you see, others should not feel our dirt and filth. We are not aware of the filth that we have within, and others have that filth within them. We carry on; oh, we compromise: we can live with anyone we want to, we cannot feel it. So "something new" means, what should happen? Should we start dancing, all of us? Or should we start singing or jumping, or standing on our heads? Or saying that we are very bad, and something is wrong? There is this program coming tomorrow; they paid three hundred pounds for that nonsense. This all we can do. It's not difficult to stand on your head. Some people were trying some tricks to fly, and they were trying the tricks in a way that you do it in a circus, to jump on a horse, you see. You practice it and then you can jump quite high to get on to a horse. So they were practicing, you see, that. You pay for it also, thinking they're going to fly in the air like that, you see. All this foolishness and stupidity, we can all do it. It is in our effort. We are quite capable of being very stupid. Animals cannot be. This is other awareness we have got. If we want to be, we can be really stupid. Now, we see that stupidity around. We know that people are stupid, we have been stupid, playing stupidly. It's very interesting sometimes the way people are stupid, you know, quite flabbergasted at such things. We are ourselves. This is also human achievement, that we can be stupid if we want to. The other achievement human beings have very nicely achieved and have maintained, is that they can disintegrate themselves. They had a gentleman coming to Me. He said that, "Mother, now I have no feelings." I was shocked. I said, "You have no feelings?" "No, no feelings for my children, no feeling for my wife, no feeling for anybody. If somebody dies, I don't mind." I was quite surprised at him. I said, "How could you achieve that? What are you doing?" He said, "Nothing. I am running for three miles these days and jogging." I said, "With that did you develop this thing?" He answered: "Yes, and what a nice state!" Instead of getting joy, you develop a dry, cruel personality. A tiger would be cruel, as much as he has to be. Means he has to kill people and eat, that's all. But human beings can be cruel to any extent. I mean, you wouldn't find anybody like Ayatollah in any animal state, you see, somebody behaving like this. We have all kinds of things we have made by our disintegration. That's how we become spies, and all sorts of things we do. We have wars, because we start justifying everything by our rationality. So this is the achievement we have got so far, and here we are, seeking God. Now, God is integrating. He integrates, while we are busy playing games. His game is very different. He will integrate you in such a way that you cannot disintegrate any more. He'll give you that joy, that you will not go any more to these useless pleasures of life which are for a very short time, and then you give up. He does that. He works it out that way. That's what we have to receive. If you try to do that, then He will know that you are doing it. After Realization you start feeling it on your fingers, that you are doing wrong. Say, we can feel everybody's chakras on our fingers, once you are enlightened. The centers by which you can guide others, by which you can guide yourself, by which you can understand yourself and others, is only possible if you are enlightened, if the light has come in your attention. Now I feel this, I know it is cold. I feel that, I know it is hot. But if you feel somebody who is, suddenly you feel, you see, you are feeling hot here on this finger. Every person who is a realized soul will feel this finger hot. Everyone will feel from that person. Now, what does that mean? If you feel this finger hot, what does that mean? That means the other person has a problem with his father, or he himself as a father; the fatherhood is challenged in him, just imagine. We have our father within us, and the father that we are going to be, within us, and you can feel it. No medicine, no human awareness can detect it. None of your instruments can detect it. Like, this is the problem with this man, is that he is unkind to his father, or he is unkind as a father. You go to the psychologists, they'll ask you ten questions and end you up in the lunatic asylum. They will follow later! This is a little child, say, who is a realized soul, can immediately say the same thing: "This is the finger that's catching." And also you are to be told what is the decoding, what does this mean, what does this mean, what does this mean. You need somebody to tell you, and I'm here at your service. Not only that, but you have to also know how to correct. I've said it a hundred times and again I'm going to say the same thing, that cancer can only be cured through Sahaja Yoga, and a Sahaja Yogi cannot get cancer. It's a fact, but it's not easy to convince people. Yesterday I was watching the film made by Mr Wallace who was a very great scientist of this. What he said, that in this country it is so difficult to establish yourself, because if you try to say anything that you have got, people will immediately try to find out what you haven't got, and they will deny you, and they are experts in it. I said, "I had it!" But it is for you to get something. This is one thing, if you realize: "We have to get something", then you wouldn't be that critical, you wouldn't be that frantic. You will settle down a little bit: " Let's see what I can get out of it." You have to achieve something. This is what is Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja - "Saha" means "with" and "Ja" means "born". It's born with you, spontaneously in your evolutionary process. You are here now at this point. As it is shown here, there are these seven chakras within you and there's a Kundalini there, for which you can get a chart from these people and you can understand, as Gavin has said, that: "Four, five years I've been realized, and knowledge is so great." It's very true. And every day I'm learning myself from human beings what sort of things they are have gone into, see: many things I have never known, that people could be that stupid or could be that cruel, or could be that funny. It is very, very surprising how people play games, how they play that cunning. I'm really flabbergasted sometimes, how they have lost their innocence, and how do they believe that others have no brains? Give it up. It has no meaning. That's not you are here for; no, no! It's not meant for you. It's meant for some jugglers, or we can call them some horrible devils, not for you. You are seekers, you are saints. Evaluate yourself. If you are real saints, then you should not go in for anything that is not real: discard it. About the mechanism, about the Kundalini also, many people have written such a lot without knowing anything about it. Look at their audacity! I cannot imagine, how can you write about something which you do not know a word? Getting a shock somewhere, you start writing about electricity, its creation and everything; how can you do it? This is another achievement of human beings. They can write falsehood, they can tell lies, they can write lies, they can write books after books with lies. They can give you all that is non-knowledge, absurd, false, just because they think they must be significant somewhere. Or they can do anything. They can put their nose in such a way that it looks like eyes. Or something like that they are up to, something absurd. Absurdity is a quality of human beings. Human beings cannot be absurd, but they are! Now, the animals are surprised at the absurdity of human beings. They just get confused: "Why is he behaving like this?" You might see your dog or cat sometimes puzzled at you: "Why is he so like this? What's the matter? Is he all right?" It has been happening to so many people around, you must have seen, and you must be wondering, "What is it?" The thing is, they are not yet complete. So all these things are only possible when you have the light. For example, when you are walking in the dark, a cat will see you because cat can walk straight on. A dog can walk straight on. There are some birds who can even hear the rumbling of the stones when the earthquake has to come. But only the human beings do not know anything about the future or the past, and also does not know anything about the present. He is groping, and his groping looks stupid and looks funny. But once the light comes in, then he walks straight. But his straight walking also is not going to help you, unless and until you walk straight, and you get it. So all the concepts we have about things may be stupid concepts. I have seen people, when they come to My program, and if they ask too many questions I know that they will be the first to leave, just to disturb the meeting and to delay, just to show off, be significant. Mostly, ninety-nine-point-nine percent ask questions and they are the first to leave. After asking the question, they are the first to leave; is a very common experience that we have had before. So Sahaja Yoga is a way of nature, is the way of God. He has given you the right to be that. It is your right that you get it. That you establish yourself is your own doing, where you put in your effort to establish yourself. But to get the light is all right, then you establish it yourself; look after it, grow in it, mature it, enjoy it. Then only, you enjoy. Unless and until you are grown, you cannot enjoy. So you have to grow into it, then you will enjoy, and that is the Kingdom of God which is being promised to you, in which you feel collectively conscious. This is what it is, and that is the Last Judgment, which has been told. How are they going to judge you? Are they going to weigh you on the scales like the beauty contest? Think about it: how are they going to judge you? (part missing)... of cleansing yourself, going ahead. And takes time. It's not (part missing) be cleansed through this Kundalini. She works it. She goes round. She cleanses you completely. She cleanses all your problems, gradually, and then you start settling down. That is how you are judged. She judges you. She tells, "Here is the problem. That is the problem." You judge yourself. You see for yourself: "This is the problem. That is the problem"; you correct yourself. Once you have corrected yourself, then you accept that correction. You are told how you correct. It's very simple methods are there, because the radiation of Divine starts flowing through you. As Christ had said, "Something passed through My body". But you have your own gods, you have your own goddesses, you have everything of your own: it's just mythical. Face it yourself. You need not believe into anything, but you need not disbelieve also. Just like as you go into a college, you have to study, not believing into anything or non-believing, but you have to see for yourself. You have to experiment yourself. In the same way, it is very individualistic in a way, but works out in a very collective method. Now this time is over, I think. I've spoken today a different language, of the Self, of the Spirit. We have to think about the Spirit. The rest is all useless. We have to get to it, not by reading about it, not by talking about it, but by taking our attention to it. And you do not take it. Actually, it is the Kundalini which is going to take. But let it work out; Kundalini has to work out. It's very simple: like one candle which is enlightened can enlighten another candle, in the same way it works out. But if the candle is a little upset, then the same candle which is enlightened can also put it right. It is that simple. Not to allow your egos to be challenged in any way. It's a very simple method. Just think how you have become human being, in a very simple way. You never even felt. But first time, you are going to do your evolution, that you are changed, transformed, because it will happen in this lifetime. I hope it will work out for those who are new and those who have been coming. They'll go deeper into it, to understand that it's only the light of the Self which one has to achieve, and then you become that. You dissolve into that. That's the beauty everybody has to achieve. May God bless you all. Now those who have come for the first time, I would request them to sit mostly on the first or the second row, and the Sahaja Yogis can sit later on, because, you see, I can put more attention to them. Oh, nice to bring the baby over. It's very sweet of you. Please come forward, please. These days I find many children who are born in England are born realized. They're just born realized. You cannot make out between a realized person and non-realized person, but a realized person can make it out. So many children we have seen are born realized, and they have a special value. They have a special value: very special vibrations. You can make it out who are the born realized, and they recognize Me, too. So nice you brought them along, and you must also know that if you have realized children as your children, you, too, have a very special value. If you do not come up to that, that's wrong. They have chosen you because they think there's something about you. Otherwise, why should they choose you? Self realized people choose their parents with great care, and it would be really failing them if you do not come up to that. So, let us have the Realization. Just put your hands like this: very simple way, is like that. If you could take out your shoes, would be better. Put both the feet on the Mother Earth, just like this. Now, what do we do, is nothing but from your hands. As you know there are centers here, as I have told you. These centers receive the message in a subjective way. It passes through your Visshuddi chakra there, because it goes here on to this center and informs here. From there it goes up and informs the lowest chakra there, which is below the Kundalini. This is the center of innocence, the first chakra, is the most important, and that informs the Kundalini that: "All right, the message has come." Then this Kundalini starts rising through these different centers. These centers are landmarks of our mental, physical, emotional being, and also spiritual being. And when they pass through that, and the Kundalini when it passes through that, it starts enlightening those centers and showing what is the problem. If it cannot move, it makes an indication on the fingers of the realized soul. Then they can correct it there. Then it goes up. Then they correct it, because it flows from their hands, this, from their fingers, this power. They correct it, and then by correction they allow the Kundalini to rise and pierce this bone here, which is known as fontanelle bone. When it pierces this bone, then you become that subtle form, you become that subtle being which is collectively conscious. You become, again and again I say, you become. But first thing what happens is that your attention is enlightened, that is, you start feeling the cool in the hand. Or we can say that the subjective truth is dawned upon you, that you start feeling cool breeze in your hand. Now, it's written in the Sanskrit language also and also otherwise in the Bible, anywhere you read, that "Salilaam, Salilaam ". It's the cool breeze. The Mother flows like the cool breeze. The Primordial Mother, the Adi Shakti, or the Holy Ghost, has the cool breeze. So it starts coming like cool breeze within us. That's the light of the Spirit. That's the Power of the Mother. That starts flowing, and you start feeling it gradually happening to you. It goes inside and you see that, once it starts coming into you, that you turn to some other person, to find that you are giving cool breeze. It would be nice if I see some people who give Me cool breeze, but so far it has not happened. That's the only problem, but if they could give Me, I'll be very happy. It's always you get it from Me. So doesn't matter, because My style is just to give, and give, and give. I cannot take. So far, I've not been able to take. I wish one of you could do that; I'll be very happy. This is the peace. This is the bliss, and by which your fingers get enlightened, your attention gets enlightened, you start feeling others, you start understanding yourself, where are you caught up. If you put yourself into a cocoon like this, and you see watching: "Where am I caught up?", you can see. Sitting down here, you can think about anybody, your mother, father, anybody; you will know which center you are catching, and all these centers denote something within you. But if you want Me to teach you everything in one day, it's not possible. You have to give some time to yourself, that's all. I think that's the only thing needed, is that you have to give some time to yourself, and you have to value yourself. You have to do it seriously and take it upon yourself, so that your physical being, your mental being, emotional being is all completely cleansed, and you enjoy your spiritual being. So let's have it now. Let's see. Just put your hands like this, like that, and you have to close your eyes. Some people cannot close their eyes because they get flickering. If that is the condition, then open your eyes. This is not hypnosis, not any brainwashing, nothing of the kind. If it does not happen, it does not happen. But we have people here who can work it out. I can work it out also. All right, let's have it now. Ah, I hope you don't ask Me questions, because it's unnecessarily a waste. Some people have something in their head, but just forget it. You get yourself realized, and then we'll see about it. But it's not only today. You have to come again. Come again and establish it within yourself, and all the knowledge I will tell you, everything. No secrets will be kept, and you will become master of this. Good.

11/26/1979

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How to get to the Spirit that lies within

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Public Program. Caxton Hall, London, England. 26 November 1979. …and how it resides within us and how we are lost in the curtains of Maya. Today I am going to tell you how we get to that Spirit. There are two types of methods people employ in finding out that Spirit. One is called as anuvopai, and another one is called as shaktopai. ‘Anu’ means a molecule. When we are lost in the Maya, as I had told you last time, actually the Spirit is eternal, It is all-powerful. It never loses Its power whether we are old, young, whatever condition we may be, the Spirit has Its own power, all the time. But, the reflection of the Spirit in us, the light of the Spirit in us, depends on the quality of our reflector, how we are. And because of the quality being so poor sometimes, darkness is created within us and in that darkness, we do not know sometimes, even to that extent, that there is something beyond. So the first style of seeking is anuvopai as you call it, which is depending on separating molecules after molecules. Because under these circumstances, when you are surrounded by darkness, you see Spirit just as a molecule or you can say a spark or a flicker. Sometimes you just get a flicker of it. As you know the thoughts arise within us and fade away. We see the thoughts rising and fading away. And there are many thoughts all around us. Our attention is on those thoughts, moving all the time. It is very hard to find that space in between two thoughts, that’s why what we see is just a flicker, you can call it, or a little atom of that Spirit, sometimes sparkling. And then the search starts among human beings. From that darkness, from Tamoguna they start searching and the kriya (action) starts within us. So we can see in the left hand side as you see the Ida Nadi, by which we live in Tamoguna, in desiring for it, and then we move to the right hand side, on the Pingala Nadi, in which we act. In that action we try to find the Spirit. Of course, first we think it is in getting material advancement that you will find that Spirit, that flicker, and so we go in for material advancement. Now, material advancement is very different from the spiritual advancement. Or we can say the material happening, what we see, like a plane landing or a plane taking off or a collision of two trains or any such happenings are outside and spiritual happening is within. Our attention is always attracted towards outside happenings and it is an impossibility to take this attention inside. That is why something has to happen within us to attract that attention inside. We cannot force our attention inside, so people try, normally, the anuvopai is that what you call Ashtanga Yoga and other Yogas, by which they try separating themselves from myth, from darkness; for which you need very astute, honest, sincere people, very young celibate, innocent people, those who have to live in the forest with their Gurus. So they keep out their attention, which is called as nirodha (restraint). They stop their attention spreading itself. They concentrate their attention with the help of a Realised soul. If you come to India you’ll meet some real sages like that who live on top of hills and mountains, who are not easily available to people. They do not sell their religion or they do not sell their Realisation to people. Hidden away from the madding crowd, they exist there. One of them has told someone, some Sahaja Yogis that he has practiced anuvopai for twenty-one thousand years from when he was just a frog! It’s fantastic that he carried on for twenty-one thousand years, every year, life, he was born and still he cannot raise the Kundalini of others very easily! Still he does not have the power to raise the Kundalini the way you Sahaja Yogis can raise! It’s most surprising! He has given Realisation to only one person, only one. In twenty five years he worked on him; the same way, anuvopai. These are the people who are detached, veetragas. Not that you have to run way from anywhere, but living in the society only you can achieve it through our Sahaja Yoga or Mahayoga. This is shaktopai. But these people still are afraid to come in the cities because they could not make people understand. They do not trust human beings and they want to keep away from them. They are not married. They lead a celibate life. They live up to two hundred years sometimes, sometimes a thousand years also. But it is a very individualistic movement, works on one or two people. Births after births they cleansed themselves. This is anuvopai. So the search for the Divine or for the Spirit has been on for ages now, it’s not a new thing that we are doing here. And you also have been seeking that Divine in your previous lives and many lives before. But you must know that for seeking you have to go inside. It’s not outside. And how do you go inside? Is the problem. Some people say that if you go on suggesting, “I’m going inside,” you go inside. It’s all imagination, because when the attention is out, the knower and the knowledge, both are different. Like if I see this thing now, for example, if I am not a Realised soul, I’ll see this one and I will just think, “How much they must have paid for it? What is it made of? From where did they get it?” All sorts of these superficial things as you can call it. At the most somebody might say, “It’s very aesthetically placed and it has very great balance,” and all that. At the most! But it is all outside, because the knower who knows about it is outside the knowledge. So there’s a tremendous difference between the happening outside and happening inside. When you see a train colliding you will say, “Oh, look at this! What is this they have done? This driver is wrong!” and that, “These people have suffered so much,” and all sorts of things. You’ll start collecting money. Whatever we do normally, you see. But the knowledge about it is outside the knower that is your Self. But when the spiritual happening takes place the knowledge and the knower become one. For example now this machine that is here, to a normal person as I told you will be, “It is so much, it costs so much,” or whatever it is, you see. But to a Realised soul it would be, “Is it vibrating? Is it emitting vibrations? What sort of vibrations is it emitting? It is good or bad?” Because then you start understanding it according to spiritual value and not according to material value. I hope you understand this point. Spiritual value is an absolute value. And what is the measure of that is the spiritual joy. The vibrations give you spiritual joy - the good vibrations, I mean. What are good vibrations? Are nothing but the coefficience (sic) of this whole thing is emitting through it, the All Pervading Power, which is giving you joy. It is an absolute value. You take ten children who are Realised souls: you tie their eyes and ask them to put their hands towards one person. All of them will show you the same finger, which is burning; whichever is the chakra they are catching. There will be no confusion, no second opinion about it, no quarrelling, because that’s what it is, because the knower and the knowledge is the same. That is why when our attention is outside and we are seeking something or knowing something, then we start seeing it according to our thinking and who does the thinking is Mr. Ego or maybe Superego. We are not there to think about it, so anything you give them, say for example you marry two persons in modern times. So they’ll sit down and work it out. How can you work out a marriage with your brains? It’s a question of your heart. Just enjoy it. You give them food, they’ll sit down and work it out, start analysing it. They cannot synthesise it. The food will get cold, it will lose all its taste and the whole thing will be wasted. They make the same thing out of their lives. For nothing at all they create problems by thinking. Analysis starts outside, synthesis starts inside. Now this nirodha is the withdrawing of your attention inside as I told you is only possible through a happening within. Now how do you get the happening within yourself? For example, I am talking to you, you are paying attention to Me: supposing something falls down, immediately your attention goes to that happening. So there has to be some happening within. Now, what is that happening, is Kundalini Yoga, and this Kundalini Yoga is the shaktopai, is the, is known as shaktipath, is the giving of the Shakti. Very few are entitled with this, I mean today these are all selling ‘shaktis’ there. There have their ashramas, and this that, they are talking of shakti, when that people start dancing, jumping, screaming like possessed people. That is not Shakti at all. Only a person of a very high quality can raise the Kundalini because he is to be authorised by God. It’s a very rare thing to give Realisation to people. Only such people who have been authorised by God can just move the Kundalini straight forward. So the anuvopai is a very slow action, is for few individuals who get out of this maya, this illusion and tell people that, “This is all illusion, is a mirage, you are running after a mirage. Don’t run after this mirage.” But still, people can’t believe them. They crucify them, they poison them, they beat them, they do all kinds of things to them. I mean, they did not do any harm to anyone whatsoever that they should be treated so badly by human beings. So, it is to be understood that your attention has to be sucked in. The nirodha has to work out. Not by denying things, “Don’t look at the women.” “Don’t look at the gold.” “Don’t look at things, your attention will be spoiled.” Not by those methods. Or by taking you to the jungles, leading you a celibate life, making a very holy atmosphere around and just forcing you that you do not see that [which] is evil. But when you see it again you go back to the same! There’s no immunity developed. So the attention when it’s sucked in by Kundalini rising, the first thing you notice is that there is dilatation of the pupil. Now, dilatation of the pupil will cause a kind of a blindness, normally. There was a lady doctor who had come for her Realisation to me once and I tried to raise her Kundalini, it wouldn’t go beyond Agnya. While she was driving suddenly she felt that her eyes were dilating and she couldn’t see, so she took her car on one side and she said , “For about a minute I just could not see anything, I was quite worried. I felt my dilatation of the pupil is taking place and I was worried about it that how I’ve become blind.” And then again she got back but when she went back, she was seeing much better and there was a sparkle in her eyes, eyes were sparkling. She telephoned to me, she said , “Does it happen?” I said , “Yes.” To attract your attention from outside inward, Kundalini does that to you, that She dilates your pupil. Now the doctors may come on my head and say that it is a parasympathetic or a sympathetic action. They do not know, they have not yet decided. It’s the action of Kundalini. They don’t know about Kundalini. Even if you show them pulsating they will not believe it. They don’t want to believe it. They want to remain outside, in ignorance. All of them are like that. Now, everybody is saying that now outside battles are over, we have to have battle inside, we have to fight ourselves. Anywhere you go they will say that, “We must find our wholesomeness.” Oh, big lectures you know! Conferences after conferences people are talking so big! Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. But when it comes to reality that you can have it, it’s a very slow movement [but] still better than anuvopai! By anuvopai [those] who are living in the city they will not reach anywhere, they cannot. If you try to do all those things, if you do not have a Realised soul as your guru and also the atmosphere, either you’ll get into ego or into superego; you’ll have a problem there, either onto to the left or onto the right. Supposing you tell them , “Now, don’t drink, don’t smoke!” Immediately you will get conditioned and Mr. Freud will stand up and say, “See, you are conditioned, you should have all the freedom!” Alright. So you go ahead [and] do whatever you please. So your Mr. Ego will become like a big balloon on your head if you do whatever you please. And then you have a big forehead coming out, eating everyone out like that. (laughing) And I have given a nice speech on Mr. Ego, how it tries to strangle everyone and how we are raising against everyone. This Mr. Ego gives us the feeling that we are something and that is the one which keeps us in bondage of ignorance. And it’s like, I sometimes feel, like the fist of a boxer! Anybody tries to go near it, it gives you a bang back! Anybody tries to say anything about it, it will come out with a big bang on your head. So if you do not pay attention to your ego and say, “No, no, no, no, I must not eat this, I must not do this, I must not do that,” finished! You go onto the left hand side and then you get the conditioning and then you may fall into the traps of Mr. Rajneesh or someone like that, who is conditioning you. And you cannot get out of it. You try your level best, you cannot get out of it, because they entrap you with their hypnosis, you go into your superego, you are hypnotised, you are possessed and whatever you may try, all such people are very difficult for Sahaja Yoga. They think I don’t know what they are doing, but it is not my knowing, it is your knowing is the point. The loser is within you, and the winner is also within you. It is you [who] have to gain, not me. Sahaja Yoga is not for me at all. I don’t have to do it. It is for you to do it to gain that knowledge which is your Self. Only thing I can do is the Shakti path but actually I don’t do it either, I can tell you. I don’t do anything. I’m just sitting quiet. It just emits, what can I do? That’s my nature, it just flows. It works out that way. But, because of our ego, we want all challenges. Supposing I tell you tomorrow that, “You can only get it by jumping hundred times,” you will immediately start doing that! If I tell you, say, on another sort of a efficiency trip, that, “Supposing you do a hundred jumps in five minutes, you will get it faster,” you will do that. Or else I give you another kind of a pralobhan (प्रलोभन) as they call it, a temptation. Like you put five rupees today then I say, “No, no, you better put ten rupees,” and you put that. It’s like a running a horse, race. See how superficially we look at this. In this superficiality we are going to get lost completely. If you are really seeking then you find it and be there and get it! This is your own! We talk big; I find very – I mean I meet the people who are the cream of every nation, I should say, and they are creaming each other, that’s all! Nothing more than that. They do not want to go deeper into it and talking about, “Oh, we understand. There has to be a Messiah. There has to be [that] something must happen to us.” “We should all become wholesome.” Now they are finding fanaticism is troubling them so they are saying, “No, these fanatics are there.” And we are all fanatics when we are outside. I mean, if you ask me, they look like mad people to me. Such extremists! All [their] attention outside. And an arrangement has been made within you, as I told you, of Kundalini being placed at the triangular bone there. It’s so beautiful it is constructed, just see the beauty of the Kundalini. Even in seeking we have gone all out to torture our Kundalini. We are not honest to ourselves and to our Mother, the Kundalini, the One who is sitting there for us to give us our Realisation, our re-birth. She is there, you can see for yourself with your naked eyes. For example, one of the Sahaja Yogis who is a doctor went and talked to the doctors. I said, “Now, what are they doing?” They said, “Yes, we know, we got the cool breeze in the hand, alright.” “Then?” “And yes we see, we know there is something pulsating in the triangular bone.” “Then? Does not intrigue you?” “But still, how can that be Self Realisation?” I mean, it is beyond any one to drink water for others and digest it and enjoy it. You can take somebody to the water, make them drink, push them down into it, but if they just refuse then what can you do about it? And then they will come out of it and have a big conference: “It’s a big conference. Having, a big, big conferences!” Halls they’ll fill up! And what are they discussing? How to know that you are a part of the one living organism! Again you take out some books, read here, have a big discussion, have a big party out of that and finished. This ‘Sunday School’ seeking, is not going to help us. First thing we have to be genuine about it that we want to seek it. As you know in Sahaja Yoga, those who have advanced, those who have really worked genuinely, without paying attention outside, have been able to know the Divine, to enjoy It and to give It to others. But anywhere in life you see, without genuineness, what are you going to achieve? It’s like some mad man who’s a Liaison Officer, you see. Imagine what a job and a half! He’s a Liaison Officer, so he is running with the flowers for one person, another for another person, he doesn’t know who is coming. He may give flowers to somebody else, all sorts of madness. In the same way, we are like Liaison Officers, without any feelings within our heart. But with this happening you start feeling the other within you. You start feeling. It’s an actualisation, as I told you last time. And when that actualisation takes place the only thing you have to do, is to allow it to grow, because it has happened spontaneously without your effort being put into it and it is going to work out spontaneously. Only don’t stop its progress by your own ego and your own style of looking at things. You cannot make a career out of it or a business. It is to be enjoyed! Now I am surprised how human beings are not selling their children. I mean they are selling everything. They are selling their hair, nose, eyes, everything that is possible under the sun, blood. But the source of all the joy that is within you is in the heart pulsating. That is called as the pranashakti, is the pulsating power of the Spirit within you, which is just to be enlightened so [that] the whole attention gets enlightened. And the difference between an ordinary awareness, where the knower and the knowledge are two different things and an enlightened awareness, where both become one, it is tremendous! But nobody wants to practice it and see for yourself how dynamic it is! This is what the whole world is seeking today, this is what we are talking about and that is how the supply department from India for all the kinds of thugs are coming here! So it’s a big circus going on everywhere! Do you want to also run in the same circus? I mean, it is not to please me, sir, but is to please your Self. Because it is only the spiritual value of everything whatsoever is going to give you joy, nothing else. Let the awakening take place. Give some time to it. You have problems, the Kundalini rises, alright. It touches the Sahasrara, that’s also correct. But many people they say, “Mother, when it has touched, why should it fall?” Now, it’s not my fault. Mine does not fall. It falls because of your faults, whatever you have done to yourself. The Kundalini has to supply, she has to look after you. You have been so cruel to yourself or to others, whatever you have done. You have done all wrong things so far, so Kundalini falls. Let Her look after all these things. She knows you have a problem. But if you are not genuine, she knows also that you are not genuine. She’ll just disappear into your Mooladhara there in the triangular bone and will never rise. She’ll be very badly frozen. When you start thinking about the Kundalini, you just close her completely there and she just goes down. She sees, “This man doesn’t know anything. He’ll have to take another ten births perhaps to get his Kundalini again back in place.” But with some people it comes up and stays there. You must respect it. You must value it. If you value that, you have valued yourself and nobody else. By crucifying Christ, you cannot reduce his value by any chance. You have crucified yourself by that, when you crucified you. So the good time is coming, Christmas ahead. Let Christ be born within us on our Agnya here in the crossing point. Let us remember all these great incarnations and prophets who came on this earth, who lived like us, like ordinary human beings, in the most ordinary way. They led a very ordinary simple life. Some of them married also, had children. Why? They could have lived on the hills and mountains very easily avoiding all the nonsense. No, they did come to give you a milestone in your achievement of your evolution, and this is what is the evolution, the Maha Yoga, where you become one with the Spirit. All the rest is useless, of no value. Spirit is your Self, is you. You are identified with your ego, so you want to always satisfy your ego, “I like it.” “I like it,” means Mr. Ego likes it, really, most of the time. And the Self doesn’t say , “I like it.” It feels it. It feels within Itself. It’s absolute. This is the shaktopai, which many people are practicing. I haven’t come across even one genuine person who does this, so far. I mean we had: Nanaka was there, Kabira was there, we had in India - great people. And they have talked about these fake people. Even in the anuvopai, also Kundalini has to rise in any case! It has happened in the case of Buddha and Mahavira. But I told you that they were the children of Rama and thousands of years later, they got their Realisation, and they are like incarnations only, you can say, but they are different styles. We have no time to waste now. This is the Last Judgment where we have to give up all our nonsensical ideas. You see, it’s difficult to talk to people who have made business out of God, or some sort of a political issue out of a God. But sensible people should know that they have to know themselves first of all, they have to become themselves and then they will know that they are really a part and parcel of the whole, of the Viraat, the Akbar. You cannot know religion from outside like these people are saying, “Allah ho Akbar, Allah ho Akbar,” and killing you! Or sitting in the Church and, “Let’s us sing hymn number such and such.” Or in our temples selling all kinds of drugs. That’s why this contrast one doesn’t understand how religious people could be like that. And then you get some nice people, ‘gentlemen’, you know, ‘very good people’. Useless! “Oh, they are very good,” alright, what will they do? They’ll make some bridges or may have some tunnels or may do some creative work of writing some novels or something. But still the knower and the knowledge is separated in them. They are useless to themselves, I am saying, not to others. And the confusion has to go by achieving your absolute. But all the time our attention is outside criticising others or finding faults with others or some sort of a trivial thing. All this sounds so trivial in this world, the way we are wasting our energy. Here is the store within us of our own earnings, of our own punyas by which you have to get that [which] is promised to you and to enjoy that and here is the key for you! Keep your minds open and take in, have it, it’s a gift. As you yourself know that - you have got so many gifts from God. How is it you have become a human being? What have you done to become a human being? This is a gift of God, this beautiful human body, mind, everything you have got it. And now that gift itself is going to transform you into the greatest of greatest gift - is to know your Father. The One who has created you is anxious to bestow all His powers to you, like a father wants to bestow all his property. So take it with both the hands and have it, and enjoy it. Before Realisation, I do not tell you that you give up drinking, smoking or any kind of nirodh. No, I cannot ask you to do that. But after Realisation, jolly well you give it up, you just do it, because you now taste the ambrosia, the amruta. Then you don’t want to have anything else. But, till you have tasted it, give some time, have some patience. You need not be very well educated for this. You need not have a very good practice of say, standing on your heads! You need not be going to churches or anything. If you are a normal human being, it is going to work out. But mostly, when we do all these things, we are abnormal. Even in saying that we are seeking God, we are doing lots of abnormal things. We have to be absolutely normal. It is like this room being dark, you are sitting down here, now sit down! It’s going to work out. But we start jumping here and there and we get hurt. It’s like going in a boat: just keep quiet, just be in the centre, with the centre of gravity of the boat. Just be there! That is dharma. In your sustenance, stay there. I mean to remain good, you don’t have to do anything. I mean to become bad, you have to do something, isn’t it? All these things will come to you automatically when there is light. Just be quiet. All of you are going to get it. That is being ordained, that’s being arranged, organised, very well within you, beautifully. As in a seed everything is arranged, to create a tree, it’s arranged within you. But you have to be together, work it out, understand each other and this group grows in that understanding, in collectivity, and creates a nucleus for others to follow it. So, there should be no problem for you to understand that it is a special grace. Because you are special, maybe I am also special, and special people needed somebody special, so I had to come down here! Let’s have it in a mutual admiration way, will be a good idea. There is no need to feel obliged because I have to do it. I feel loaded with it and I feel lighter when you get it. Like a mother I tell you. Sometimes I have to be stern. I know the job of a mother. You need not be afraid of me at all. I know everything about you, somehow. Like we had one Douglas (Fry) with us and I suddenly asked him, “What about your birthday?” He was taken aback! He didn’t know - he’s sitting here - how I knew that his birthday was there. And he really had a rebirth from the life he had. And when I said, he said , “How do You know, Mother?” I said , “I know what about your birthday.” And I went to his house and saw him. [I was] so overjoyed to see him settled down. It is amazing how your seed grows and how fragrant you become. May God bless you all. If you have any questions, please ask me. We have little time. There are eighty-four tapes already with these people and, if you want to have tapes for yourself, you can give them the tapes and they can tape for you or perhaps… Those who do not feel vibration should not get upset. There’s something wrong somewhere. I may not tell you on your face, because I don’t want to hurt you in any way. But doesn’t matter, I am going to work it out, you see, doctor doesn’t come and tell you that, “You have got all these diseases and you may die next moment.” If doctor can do that, I am after all your Mother, so I am not going to tell you. You yourself will know, later on, what was wrong with you. Because by knowing that, you are not going to help yourself. On the contrary, you are going to feel dejected. Now please put your hands just like this, just like this. And both the feet on the ground, straight. On the ground. I think perhaps next Monday is the last meeting, is it? Two more? You are going to have me till the the end is it? Alright! So I was thinking of, next Monday, I’ll be telling about elements and all those things how we are made. That would be better. Now close your eyes please. If you watch your thoughts you’ll find there are no thoughts. Keep your eyes shut. Just see. There are no thoughts in your mind. Now, in your finger tips you’ll feel a cool breeze coming in. That means the Realisation has taken place because the cool breeze is the sign of the Holy Ghost, in Sanskrit it is, “salilam, salilam,” described that the Spirit emits or radiates, you can say, Itself as cool breeze. The light of the Spirit is the cool breeze. Power of God. It’s a breeze like thing which starts floating or going inside your…If any one of you are feeling sleepy, keep your eyes open please. Be alert. You have to be alert because this is the happening for which you have been desiring. See for yourself. The more desirous you are the better it is. Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? Good. Close your eyes and enjoy yourself. All those who are getting cool breeze, please raise your hands, all of you. All those who are getting cool breeze in the hand, please raise your hands. All those who are feeling cool breeze in the hand, please raise your hands. Now those who have come today and not yet Realised and are not getting cool breeze, please raise your hands. Can you come forward? Keep your eyes shut, please. That lady? You’re getting the cool breeze in the hands? Are you feeling any cool breeze? Lady: Not so much. Shri Mataji: Not so much? So you started thinking about it, that’s all. Alright. So for that you ask for forgiveness, that, “I should not think about it,” and it will start flowing. Alright? By thinking you did not get it. So, it’s alright now. Good! See how clever it is! Still wearing that? What is that? Now see him what’s the matter. On the heart he is catching. Now, better now ? It plays tricks. John, see here, this side. Don’t watch others at this time. You watch yourself, alright? Very important. You catch people. Just don’t watch. Watch yourself. This is the time to watch yourself, alright? David, come forward, here. John, you also come here, I would like to see you. John, you come here. David, you come here. Lindsey, you also come here. Let’s see. You sit down here first. Lindsey just come here I would like to see you also. Just there. Just somewhere here. Just sit. Is that Alan? How are you? Better now? Better? Can you come forward. You also. Just let me see. I wanted to see your vibrations also. Yes, please. Come forward. Can you take two chairs? You must see your vibrations. We must get ourselves corrected. There may be some sort of a thing because the vibrations if they are not sucking in alright, then there is some problem. Let’s get it alright. What is there to feel bad about anything whatsoever? Well, Alan, just come here, if possible. Alright. You can take a chair here next to John. Alan, please open your eyes, please.

Public Program. Caxton Hall, London, England. 26 November 1979. …and how it resides within us and how we are lost in the curtains of Maya. Today I am going to tell you how we get to that Spirit. There are two types of methods people employ in finding out that Spirit. One is called as anuvopai, and another one is called as shaktopai. ‘Anu’ means a molecule. When we are lost in the Maya, as I had told you last time, actually the Spirit is eternal, It is all-powerful. It never loses Its power whether we are old, young, whatever condition we may be, the Spirit has Its own power, all the time. But, the reflection of the Spirit in us, the light of the Spirit in us, depends on the quality of our reflector, how we are. And because of the quality being so poor sometimes, darkness is created within us and in that darkness, we do not know sometimes, even to that extent, that there is something beyond. So the first style of seeking is anuvopai as you call it, which is depending on separating molecules after molecules. Because under these circumstances, when you are surrounded by darkness, you see Spirit just as a molecule or you can say a spark or a flicker. Sometimes you just get a flicker of it. As you know the thoughts arise within us and fade away. We see the thoughts rising and fading away. And there are many thoughts all around us. Our attention is on those thoughts, moving all the time. It is very hard to find that space in between two thoughts, that’s why what we see is just a flicker, you can call it, or a little atom of that Spirit, sometimes sparkling. And then the search starts among human beings. From that darkness, from Tamoguna they start searching and the kriya (action) starts within us. So we can see in the left hand side as you see the Ida Nadi, by which we live in Tamoguna, in desiring for it, and then we move to the right hand side, on the Pingala Nadi, in which we act. In that action we try to find the Spirit. Of course, first we think it is in getting material advancement that you will find that Spirit, that flicker, and so we go in for material advancement. Now, material advancement is very different from the spiritual advancement. Or we can say the material happening, what we see, like a plane landing or a plane taking off or a collision of two trains or any such happenings are outside and spiritual happening is within. Our attention is always attracted towards outside happenings and it is an impossibility to take this attention inside. That is why something has to happen within us to attract that attention inside. We cannot force our attention inside, so people try, normally, the anuvopai is that what you call Ashtanga Yoga and other Yogas, by which they try separating themselves from myth, from darkness; for which you need very astute, honest, sincere people, very young celibate, innocent people, those who have to live in the forest with their Gurus. So they keep out their attention, which is called as nirodha (restraint). They stop their attention spreading itself. They concentrate their attention with the help of a Realised soul. If you come to India you’ll meet some real sages like that who live on top of hills and mountains, who are not easily available to people. They do not sell their religion or they do not sell their Realisation to people. Hidden away from the madding crowd, they exist there. One of them has told someone, some Sahaja Yogis that he has practiced anuvopai for twenty-one thousand years from when he was just a frog! It’s fantastic that he carried on for twenty-one thousand years, every year, life, he was born and still he cannot raise the Kundalini of others very easily! Still he does not have the power to raise the Kundalini the way you Sahaja Yogis can raise! It’s most surprising! He has given Realisation to only one person, only one. In twenty five years he worked on him; the same way, anuvopai. These are the people who are detached, veetragas. Not that you have to run way from anywhere, but living in the society only you can achieve it through our Sahaja Yoga or Mahayoga. This is shaktopai. But these people still are afraid to come in the cities because they could not make people understand. They do not trust human beings and they want to keep away from them. They are not married. They lead a celibate life. They live up to two hundred years sometimes, sometimes a thousand years also. But it is a very individualistic movement, works on one or two people. Births after births they cleansed themselves. This is anuvopai. So the search for the Divine or for the Spirit has been on for ages now, it’s not a new thing that we are doing here. And you also have been seeking that Divine in your previous lives and many lives before. But you must know that for seeking you have to go inside. It’s not outside. And how do you go inside? Is the problem. Some people say that if you go on suggesting, “I’m going inside,” you go inside. It’s all imagination, because when the attention is out, the knower and the knowledge, both are different. Like if I see this thing now, for example, if I am not a Realised soul, I’ll see this one and I will just think, “How much they must have paid for it? What is it made of? From where did they get it?” All sorts of these superficial things as you can call it. At the most somebody might say, “It’s very aesthetically placed and it has very great balance,” and all that. At the most! But it is all outside, because the knower who knows about it is outside the knowledge. So there’s a tremendous difference between the happening outside and happening inside. When you see a train colliding you will say, “Oh, look at this! What is this they have done? This driver is wrong!” and that, “These people have suffered so much,” and all sorts of things. You’ll start collecting money. Whatever we do normally, you see. But the knowledge about it is outside the knower that is your Self. But when the spiritual happening takes place the knowledge and the knower become one. For example now this machine that is here, to a normal person as I told you will be, “It is so much, it costs so much,” or whatever it is, you see. But to a Realised soul it would be, “Is it vibrating? Is it emitting vibrations? What sort of vibrations is it emitting? It is good or bad?” Because then you start understanding it according to spiritual value and not according to material value. I hope you understand this point. Spiritual value is an absolute value. And what is the measure of that is the spiritual joy. The vibrations give you spiritual joy - the good vibrations, I mean. What are good vibrations? Are nothing but the coefficience (sic) of this whole thing is emitting through it, the All Pervading Power, which is giving you joy. It is an absolute value. You take ten children who are Realised souls: you tie their eyes and ask them to put their hands towards one person. All of them will show you the same finger, which is burning; whichever is the chakra they are catching. There will be no confusion, no second opinion about it, no quarrelling, because that’s what it is, because the knower and the knowledge is the same. That is why when our attention is outside and we are seeking something or knowing something, then we start seeing it according to our thinking and who does the thinking is Mr. Ego or maybe Superego. We are not there to think about it, so anything you give them, say for example you marry two persons in modern times. So they’ll sit down and work it out. How can you work out a marriage with your brains? It’s a question of your heart. Just enjoy it. You give them food, they’ll sit down and work it out, start analysing it. They cannot synthesise it. The food will get cold, it will lose all its taste and the whole thing will be wasted. They make the same thing out of their lives. For nothing at all they create problems by thinking. Analysis starts outside, synthesis starts inside. Now this nirodha is the withdrawing of your attention inside as I told you is only possible through a happening within. Now how do you get the happening within yourself? For example, I am talking to you, you are paying attention to Me: supposing something falls down, immediately your attention goes to that happening. So there has to be some happening within. Now, what is that happening, is Kundalini Yoga, and this Kundalini Yoga is the shaktopai, is the, is known as shaktipath, is the giving of the Shakti. Very few are entitled with this, I mean today these are all selling ‘shaktis’ there. There have their ashramas, and this that, they are talking of shakti, when that people start dancing, jumping, screaming like possessed people. That is not Shakti at all. Only a person of a very high quality can raise the Kundalini because he is to be authorised by God. It’s a very rare thing to give Realisation to people. Only such people who have been authorised by God can just move the Kundalini straight forward. So the anuvopai is a very slow action, is for few individuals who get out of this maya, this illusion and tell people that, “This is all illusion, is a mirage, you are running after a mirage. Don’t run after this mirage.” But still, people can’t believe them. They crucify them, they poison them, they beat them, they do all kinds of things to them. I mean, they did not do any harm to anyone whatsoever that they should be treated so badly by human beings. So, it is to be understood that your attention has to be sucked in. The nirodha has to work out. Not by denying things, “Don’t look at the women.” “Don’t look at the gold.” “Don’t look at things, your attention will be spoiled.” Not by those methods. Or by taking you to the jungles, leading you a celibate life, making a very holy atmosphere around and just forcing you that you do not see that [which] is evil. But when you see it again you go back to the same! There’s no immunity developed. So the attention when it’s sucked in by Kundalini rising, the first thing you notice is that there is dilatation of the pupil. Now, dilatation of the pupil will cause a kind of a blindness, normally. There was a lady doctor who had come for her Realisation to me once and I tried to raise her Kundalini, it wouldn’t go beyond Agnya. While she was driving suddenly she felt that her eyes were dilating and she couldn’t see, so she took her car on one side and she said , “For about a minute I just could not see anything, I was quite worried. I felt my dilatation of the pupil is taking place and I was worried about it that how I’ve become blind.” And then again she got back but when she went back, she was seeing much better and there was a sparkle in her eyes, eyes were sparkling. She telephoned to me, she said , “Does it happen?” I said , “Yes.” To attract your attention from outside inward, Kundalini does that to you, that She dilates your pupil. Now the doctors may come on my head and say that it is a parasympathetic or a sympathetic action. They do not know, they have not yet decided. It’s the action of Kundalini. They don’t know about Kundalini. Even if you show them pulsating they will not believe it. They don’t want to believe it. They want to remain outside, in ignorance. All of them are like that. Now, everybody is saying that now outside battles are over, we have to have battle inside, we have to fight ourselves. Anywhere you go they will say that, “We must find our wholesomeness.” Oh, big lectures you know! Conferences after conferences people are talking so big! Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. But when it comes to reality that you can have it, it’s a very slow movement [but] still better than anuvopai! By anuvopai [those] who are living in the city they will not reach anywhere, they cannot. If you try to do all those things, if you do not have a Realised soul as your guru and also the atmosphere, either you’ll get into ego or into superego; you’ll have a problem there, either onto to the left or onto the right. Supposing you tell them , “Now, don’t drink, don’t smoke!” Immediately you will get conditioned and Mr. Freud will stand up and say, “See, you are conditioned, you should have all the freedom!” Alright. So you go ahead [and] do whatever you please. So your Mr. Ego will become like a big balloon on your head if you do whatever you please. And then you have a big forehead coming out, eating everyone out like that. (laughing) And I have given a nice speech on Mr. Ego, how it tries to strangle everyone and how we are raising against everyone. This Mr. Ego gives us the feeling that we are something and that is the one which keeps us in bondage of ignorance. And it’s like, I sometimes feel, like the fist of a boxer! Anybody tries to go near it, it gives you a bang back! Anybody tries to say anything about it, it will come out with a big bang on your head. So if you do not pay attention to your ego and say, “No, no, no, no, I must not eat this, I must not do this, I must not do that,” finished! You go onto the left hand side and then you get the conditioning and then you may fall into the traps of Mr. Rajneesh or someone like that, who is conditioning you. And you cannot get out of it. You try your level best, you cannot get out of it, because they entrap you with their hypnosis, you go into your superego, you are hypnotised, you are possessed and whatever you may try, all such people are very difficult for Sahaja Yoga. They think I don’t know what they are doing, but it is not my knowing, it is your knowing is the point. The loser is within you, and the winner is also within you. It is you [who] have to gain, not me. Sahaja Yoga is not for me at all. I don’t have to do it. It is for you to do it to gain that knowledge which is your Self. Only thing I can do is the Shakti path but actually I don’t do it either, I can tell you. I don’t do anything. I’m just sitting quiet. It just emits, what can I do? That’s my nature, it just flows. It works out that way. But, because of our ego, we want all challenges. Supposing I tell you tomorrow that, “You can only get it by jumping hundred times,” you will immediately start doing that! If I tell you, say, on another sort of a efficiency trip, that, “Supposing you do a hundred jumps in five minutes, you will get it faster,” you will do that. Or else I give you another kind of a pralobhan (प्रलोभन) as they call it, a temptation. Like you put five rupees today then I say, “No, no, you better put ten rupees,” and you put that. It’s like a running a horse, race. See how superficially we look at this. In this superficiality we are going to get lost completely. If you are really seeking then you find it and be there and get it! This is your own! We talk big; I find very – I mean I meet the people who are the cream of every nation, I should say, and they are creaming each other, that’s all! Nothing more than that. They do not want to go deeper into it and talking about, “Oh, we understand. There has to be a Messiah. There has to be [that] something must happen to us.” “We should all become wholesome.” Now they are finding fanaticism is troubling them so they are saying, “No, these fanatics are there.” And we are all fanatics when we are outside. I mean, if you ask me, they look like mad people to me. Such extremists! All [their] attention outside. And an arrangement has been made within you, as I told you, of Kundalini being placed at the triangular bone there. It’s so beautiful it is constructed, just see the beauty of the Kundalini. Even in seeking we have gone all out to torture our Kundalini. We are not honest to ourselves and to our Mother, the Kundalini, the One who is sitting there for us to give us our Realisation, our re-birth. She is there, you can see for yourself with your naked eyes. For example, one of the Sahaja Yogis who is a doctor went and talked to the doctors. I said, “Now, what are they doing?” They said, “Yes, we know, we got the cool breeze in the hand, alright.” “Then?” “And yes we see, we know there is something pulsating in the triangular bone.” “Then? Does not intrigue you?” “But still, how can that be Self Realisation?” I mean, it is beyond any one to drink water for others and digest it and enjoy it. You can take somebody to the water, make them drink, push them down into it, but if they just refuse then what can you do about it? And then they will come out of it and have a big conference: “It’s a big conference. Having, a big, big conferences!” Halls they’ll fill up! And what are they discussing? How to know that you are a part of the one living organism! Again you take out some books, read here, have a big discussion, have a big party out of that and finished. This ‘Sunday School’ seeking, is not going to help us. First thing we have to be genuine about it that we want to seek it. As you know in Sahaja Yoga, those who have advanced, those who have really worked genuinely, without paying attention outside, have been able to know the Divine, to enjoy It and to give It to others. But anywhere in life you see, without genuineness, what are you going to achieve? It’s like some mad man who’s a Liaison Officer, you see. Imagine what a job and a half! He’s a Liaison Officer, so he is running with the flowers for one person, another for another person, he doesn’t know who is coming. He may give flowers to somebody else, all sorts of madness. In the same way, we are like Liaison Officers, without any feelings within our heart. But with this happening you start feeling the other within you. You start feeling. It’s an actualisation, as I told you last time. And when that actualisation takes place the only thing you have to do, is to allow it to grow, because it has happened spontaneously without your effort being put into it and it is going to work out spontaneously. Only don’t stop its progress by your own ego and your own style of looking at things. You cannot make a career out of it or a business. It is to be enjoyed! Now I am surprised how human beings are not selling their children. I mean they are selling everything. They are selling their hair, nose, eyes, everything that is possible under the sun, blood. But the source of all the joy that is within you is in the heart pulsating. That is called as the pranashakti, is the pulsating power of the Spirit within you, which is just to be enlightened so [that] the whole attention gets enlightened. And the difference between an ordinary awareness, where the knower and the knowledge are two different things and an enlightened awareness, where both become one, it is tremendous! But nobody wants to practice it and see for yourself how dynamic it is! This is what the whole world is seeking today, this is what we are talking about and that is how the supply department from India for all the kinds of thugs are coming here! So it’s a big circus going on everywhere! Do you want to also run in the same circus? I mean, it is not to please me, sir, but is to please your Self. Because it is only the spiritual value of everything whatsoever is going to give you joy, nothing else. Let the awakening take place. Give some time to it. You have problems, the Kundalini rises, alright. It touches the Sahasrara, that’s also correct. But many people they say, “Mother, when it has touched, why should it fall?” Now, it’s not my fault. Mine does not fall. It falls because of your faults, whatever you have done to yourself. The Kundalini has to supply, she has to look after you. You have been so cruel to yourself or to others, whatever you have done. You have done all wrong things so far, so Kundalini falls. Let Her look after all these things. She knows you have a problem. But if you are not genuine, she knows also that you are not genuine. She’ll just disappear into your Mooladhara there in the triangular bone and will never rise. She’ll be very badly frozen. When you start thinking about the Kundalini, you just close her completely there and she just goes down. She sees, “This man doesn’t know anything. He’ll have to take another ten births perhaps to get his Kundalini again back in place.” But with some people it comes up and stays there. You must respect it. You must value it. If you value that, you have valued yourself and nobody else. By crucifying Christ, you cannot reduce his value by any chance. You have crucified yourself by that, when you crucified you. So the good time is coming, Christmas ahead. Let Christ be born within us on our Agnya here in the crossing point. Let us remember all these great incarnations and prophets who came on this earth, who lived like us, like ordinary human beings, in the most ordinary way. They led a very ordinary simple life. Some of them married also, had children. Why? They could have lived on the hills and mountains very easily avoiding all the nonsense. No, they did come to give you a milestone in your achievement of your evolution, and this is what is the evolution, the Maha Yoga, where you become one with the Spirit. All the rest is useless, of no value. Spirit is your Self, is you. You are identified with your ego, so you want to always satisfy your ego, “I like it.” “I like it,” means Mr. Ego likes it, really, most of the time. And the Self doesn’t say , “I like it.” It feels it. It feels within Itself. It’s absolute. This is the shaktopai, which many people are practicing. I haven’t come across even one genuine person who does this, so far. I mean we had: Nanaka was there, Kabira was there, we had in India - great people. And they have talked about these fake people. Even in the anuvopai, also Kundalini has to rise in any case! It has happened in the case of Buddha and Mahavira. But I told you that they were the children of Rama and thousands of years later, they got their Realisation, and they are like incarnations only, you can say, but they are different styles. We have no time to waste now. This is the Last Judgment where we have to give up all our nonsensical ideas. You see, it’s difficult to talk to people who have made business out of God, or some sort of a political issue out of a God. But sensible people should know that they have to know themselves first of all, they have to become themselves and then they will know that they are really a part and parcel of the whole, of the Viraat, the Akbar. You cannot know religion from outside like these people are saying, “Allah ho Akbar, Allah ho Akbar,” and killing you! Or sitting in the Church and, “Let’s us sing hymn number such and such.” Or in our temples selling all kinds of drugs. That’s why this contrast one doesn’t understand how religious people could be like that. And then you get some nice people, ‘gentlemen’, you know, ‘very good people’. Useless! “Oh, they are very good,” alright, what will they do? They’ll make some bridges or may have some tunnels or may do some creative work of writing some novels or something. But still the knower and the knowledge is separated in them. They are useless to themselves, I am saying, not to others. And the confusion has to go by achieving your absolute. But all the time our attention is outside criticising others or finding faults with others or some sort of a trivial thing. All this sounds so trivial in this world, the way we are wasting our energy. Here is the store within us of our own earnings, of our own punyas by which you have to get that [which] is promised to you and to enjoy that and here is the key for you! Keep your minds open and take in, have it, it’s a gift. As you yourself know that - you have got so many gifts from God. How is it you have become a human being? What have you done to become a human being? This is a gift of God, this beautiful human body, mind, everything you have got it. And now that gift itself is going to transform you into the greatest of greatest gift - is to know your Father. The One who has created you is anxious to bestow all His powers to you, like a father wants to bestow all his property. So take it with both the hands and have it, and enjoy it. Before Realisation, I do not tell you that you give up drinking, smoking or any kind of nirodh. No, I cannot ask you to do that. But after Realisation, jolly well you give it up, you just do it, because you now taste the ambrosia, the amruta. Then you don’t want to have anything else. But, till you have tasted it, give some time, have some patience. You need not be very well educated for this. You need not have a very good practice of say, standing on your heads! You need not be going to churches or anything. If you are a normal human being, it is going to work out. But mostly, when we do all these things, we are abnormal. Even in saying that we are seeking God, we are doing lots of abnormal things. We have to be absolutely normal. It is like this room being dark, you are sitting down here, now sit down! It’s going to work out. But we start jumping here and there and we get hurt. It’s like going in a boat: just keep quiet, just be in the centre, with the centre of gravity of the boat. Just be there! That is dharma. In your sustenance, stay there. I mean to remain good, you don’t have to do anything. I mean to become bad, you have to do something, isn’t it? All these things will come to you automatically when there is light. Just be quiet. All of you are going to get it. That is being ordained, that’s being arranged, organised, very well within you, beautifully. As in a seed everything is arranged, to create a tree, it’s arranged within you. But you have to be together, work it out, understand each other and this group grows in that understanding, in collectivity, and creates a nucleus for others to follow it. So, there should be no problem for you to understand that it is a special grace. Because you are special, maybe I am also special, and special people needed somebody special, so I had to come down here! Let’s have it in a mutual admiration way, will be a good idea. There is no need to feel obliged because I have to do it. I feel loaded with it and I feel lighter when you get it. Like a mother I tell you. Sometimes I have to be stern. I know the job of a mother. You need not be afraid of me at all. I know everything about you, somehow. Like we had one Douglas (Fry) with us and I suddenly asked him, “What about your birthday?” He was taken aback! He didn’t know - he’s sitting here - how I knew that his birthday was there. And he really had a rebirth from the life he had. And when I said, he said , “How do You know, Mother?” I said , “I know what about your birthday.” And I went to his house and saw him. [I was] so overjoyed to see him settled down. It is amazing how your seed grows and how fragrant you become. May God bless you all. If you have any questions, please ask me. We have little time. There are eighty-four tapes already with these people and, if you want to have tapes for yourself, you can give them the tapes and they can tape for you or perhaps… Those who do not feel vibration should not get upset. There’s something wrong somewhere. I may not tell you on your face, because I don’t want to hurt you in any way. But doesn’t matter, I am going to work it out, you see, doctor doesn’t come and tell you that, “You have got all these diseases and you may die next moment.” If doctor can do that, I am after all your Mother, so I am not going to tell you. You yourself will know, later on, what was wrong with you. Because by knowing that, you are not going to help yourself. On the contrary, you are going to feel dejected. Now please put your hands just like this, just like this. And both the feet on the ground, straight. On the ground. I think perhaps next Monday is the last meeting, is it? Two more? You are going to have me till the the end is it? Alright! So I was thinking of, next Monday, I’ll be telling about elements and all those things how we are made. That would be better. Now close your eyes please. If you watch your thoughts you’ll find there are no thoughts. Keep your eyes shut. Just see. There are no thoughts in your mind. Now, in your finger tips you’ll feel a cool breeze coming in. That means the Realisation has taken place because the cool breeze is the sign of the Holy Ghost, in Sanskrit it is, “salilam, salilam,” described that the Spirit emits or radiates, you can say, Itself as cool breeze. The light of the Spirit is the cool breeze. Power of God. It’s a breeze like thing which starts floating or going inside your…If any one of you are feeling sleepy, keep your eyes open please. Be alert. You have to be alert because this is the happening for which you have been desiring. See for yourself. The more desirous you are the better it is. Are you getting cool breeze in the hand? Good. Close your eyes and enjoy yourself. All those who are getting cool breeze, please raise your hands, all of you. All those who are getting cool breeze in the hand, please raise your hands. All those who are feeling cool breeze in the hand, please raise your hands. Now those who have come today and not yet Realised and are not getting cool breeze, please raise your hands. Can you come forward? Keep your eyes shut, please. That lady? You’re getting the cool breeze in the hands? Are you feeling any cool breeze? Lady: Not so much. Shri Mataji: Not so much? So you started thinking about it, that’s all. Alright. So for that you ask for forgiveness, that, “I should not think about it,” and it will start flowing. Alright? By thinking you did not get it. So, it’s alright now. Good! See how clever it is! Still wearing that? What is that? Now see him what’s the matter. On the heart he is catching. Now, better now ? It plays tricks. John, see here, this side. Don’t watch others at this time. You watch yourself, alright? Very important. You catch people. Just don’t watch. Watch yourself. This is the time to watch yourself, alright? David, come forward, here. John, you also come here, I would like to see you. John, you come here. David, you come here. Lindsey, you also come here. Let’s see. You sit down here first. Lindsey just come here I would like to see you also. Just there. Just somewhere here. Just sit. Is that Alan? How are you? Better now? Better? Can you come forward. You also. Just let me see. I wanted to see your vibrations also. Yes, please. Come forward. Can you take two chairs? You must see your vibrations. We must get ourselves corrected. There may be some sort of a thing because the vibrations if they are not sucking in alright, then there is some problem. Let’s get it alright. What is there to feel bad about anything whatsoever? Well, Alan, just come here, if possible. Alright. You can take a chair here next to John. Alan, please open your eyes, please.

12/2/1979

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Guru Puja, "The Declaration of Shri Mataji". Dollis Hill ashram, London, England. 2 December 1979. A month back, I told Rustom that, "You must have a puja arranged, this Sunday. It’s a full moon day". And he asked Me, "What should you call it? Is it a Guru Puja? Or is it a Puja for Mahalaxmi, or Ganesha’s Puja?" So, I told him, "Call it a Guru Puja". And he asked Me later on, much later, when I was going to India, that, "Why not also have the Christmas Puja over here?" Today is a very, important day. Because, long time back, when Christ was just a child, He read from the Scriptures, and declared to the multitudes, that He was the Advent – the incarnation, who is the Savior. They believed that a Savior is going to come. Today, long time back, on a Sunday, He said, He declared that He was the Savior. That’s why today is the Advent Sunday. He had to live for a very, very short time. So, at a very young age He had to declare that He was the Advent. Now it is remarkable to see, that before this, no incarnation said publicly, that, they were incarnations. Rama of course, had forgotten that He was an incarnation. In a way, He made Himself to forget, played His maya upon Himself to become a complete human being – Maryada Purushottama. And Shri Krishna also only told, one person Arjuna, just before he was to start the war. Abraham never said that He was the incarnation, though He was the incarnation of Primordial Master. Dattatreya Himself never said that He was the incarnation of the Primordial Master. With all these three forces, acting through innocence, came on this earth to guide, Moses never said that… though they knew He was great, He had overpowered Nature, but He never said that He was the incarnation. At the time of Christ, one felt it was necessary to say otherwise people won’t understand. If at that time they had recognized Christ, there would have been no problem. But still, human beings had to evolve, further. Somebody had to cross the Agnya Chakra in the Virata, to go through that door. That’s why Christ came on this Earth. It is most surprising, that in this tree of Life, when the roots give out the shoot, and the shoot gives out the branches, and the branches give out the leaves, and the flowers also blossom out of the same tree, those who know the roots do not want to know the shoot, those who know the shoot do not want to recognize the flowers. This is typical human nature.I never said about Myself. Because, it was felt, that human beings have now achieved another dimension of ego. Even worse, than at the time of Christ. May you blame anything, you can call it Industrial Revolution because you were away from nature, or whatever you may call it. But human beings had lost all contact, with reality. They were identified with artificiality, and to accept such a great reality is going to be impossible for them, that’s why I never said a word about Myself -,till of course some of the saints, told about Me, some of the possessed people also told about Me; and also people started wondering, that how the most difficult thing of Kundalini awakening takes place, with that speed in the presence of “Mataji”. There was a temple in India and nobody knew about it, but they found that the ships which went near a particular spot, were drawn towards the shore. And it was difficult to ply them back and they had to put double force to take out of that attraction, and they did not know that there was some thing that was acting. They thought there was something wrong, with the depth of the sea. But, invariably it happened to many ships. Then they wanted to find out, after all what is happening to those ships, why all the ships suddenly start getting attracted towards the shore So they tried to find out, and when they went into the jungles they found a big temple, and on top of the temple was kept a huge mass of magnet. So, through rational understanding, people reached the point that Mataji has to be something exceptional, because, nowhere in the scriptures, [it's not] written down anywhere, that such an incarnation came on this Earth – whose mere glance, even thought, can raise the Kundalini. Many saints, who are away from the madding crowd, sitting in the jungles, on the Himalayas, all know about it. Because their awareness is at a point, where they understand. They understand much more than you do, because you are still children, newly born. They are grown up. But today is the day, I declare that I am the One who has to save the humanity. I declare I am the One who is Adi Shakti, who is the Mother of all the Mothers, who is the Primordial Mother, the Shakti, the Desire of God, who has incarnated on this Earth to give its meaning to itself, to this creation, to human beings, and I’m sure through my love and patience and my powers, I am going to achieve it.I was the One who was born again and again, but now in my complete form and complete powers, I have come on this Earth, not only for salvation of human beings, not only for their emancipation, but for granting them the Kingdom of Heaven, the joy, the bliss, that your Father wants to bestow upon you. These words are to be kept within the bounds of Sahaja Yogis only, for the time being. And today is the day of Guru Puja, not my puja, but your puja as gurus. I anoint all of you as gurus. And today I will tell you what I have bestowed upon you and what great powers you already have within you. Among you, there are people who are still not been able to recognize. My announcement will work it out within them the recognition. Without recognition, you cannot see the play. Without play, you cannot have confidence within yourself. Without confidence, you cannot become guru. Without becoming guru, you cannot help others, and without helping others you are not going to be in any way happy. So, to break the chain, is very easy. But to build the chain, one after another, is what you have to do. This is what you were all wanting to be. So, be confident, and be joyous, and be happy that all my powers will protect you, my Love will nourish you, and my nature will fill you with peace and joy.May God Bless You. [the following was transcribed from an Mp3 recording of a tape in India] Now I would like to give the books first of all. And then I’ll… about what you have got already within you. All weeping and crying should be over now. You have to wipe out the tears of others. Get out of your small shells and little problems, here and there.First book, Kuli, can you give Me.[inaudible words]Where is the pen?Yogi: …want a pen Mother?Shri Mataji: I would like to write in Devalipi, because it’s a mantra, isn’t it? It has to be written in Devalipi your names, would be better than in English, though utility-wise English would be better, but from, from Sahaj Yoga point of view, I think, if I write in Devalipi it would be better and you will know it is your name.So the first book. “Advent!” – by which we declare, the advent of your Mother, your own, very own Mother. Today, I would like to give to Gregoire, who has really worked very hard to write this book, and, I have tortured his life… and also Gavin, Jane, who have helped him such a lot, and Maureen who has helped him to type and read My funny handwriting which had mutilated all previous writings of Gregoire [Mother chuckles]. We have had a very nice time together, and now the book is ready. We should also be very thankful to Indian Sahaja Yogis, for giving all their assistance, to Gregoire, for the publication of this book. They have given the money and all the assistance. There are so many people who are to be thanked, but actually this is your own book. And the most important person whom you should thank is [unclear: WULEE?], or, Tony as you call him, because, he has taken the photograph, which turned out to be the best among all. He’s not a photographer, by chance he had taken a photograph, it’s such a sahaja photograph. And everybody said that this photograph should be… there. And everybody, not feeling jealous of anyone, have very sensibly behaved that the book should come out; and the involvement that everyone had; and they all helped…Even the coming of book was so sahaja, that, first it would not come. It has come at a time when we needed it the most: it should not have come earlier, because we wanted advent date for this book. And, the coming of it was that, the ship people told Me that the books have arrived… and you have to collect the books, and we have to take all… customs clearance and all that. But then they told Me that surprisingly, the customs people did not ask anything; they did not even open the boxes; they didn’t want to know anything what was inside. They were all quite surprised. Normally, even if you say books they open it and see for themselves whether there are books or not, maybe something else coming in. And there was a niece of mine, who was there, who telephoned to us – that also spontaneously – and I told her such books are lying with such people, and just they arrived – it was that simple. And they t…[Mp3 no.1 sound cuts off] [Mp3 no.2:]Should I write it here, or here Gregoire?. Here would…This is the cover, I would like – just show them – to give to Gregoire, just show round, with the peacocks. Peacock is the… is the vahana of Saraswati.Actually it is kept the other way round, you see?Sahaja Yogi[softly]: I think…Shri Mataji: Beg pardon, what is it?Sahaja Yogi: [CHRIS?] was trying to explain what Shri Kartikeya was like.Other Sahaja Yogi: He was just like Gregoire. [laughter].Shri Mataji: Actually books are always done this way, you know? You can do it on the ground would be better. This way, and then is covered like that, you see? It’s always books are done.Sahaja Yogi: Mother this way?Shri Mataji: It’s on this way it comes up. See? So, they are kept. Hm, I think then they go round. Ya and, this is brought in… that side.. this way, and the pin must be put here or some sort of a thing. Actually they have a ribbon with it, attached, when they tie it up the book like that. This is called as grantha, you see, the one which is tied, grantha.All these books must be kept, tied in a proper cloth, in this way. And before opening the book you must wash your hands – properly. It should not be kept in every place you feel like: must be kept in proper places. And the due protocol of the book must be kept. It is very important.Which are the names? Which are the people?Rustom: Gavin, your copy.Shri Mataji: What is it?Sahaja Yogi: We had to copy the [...indistinct]Shri Mataji: Alright. So to Jane, to… second to Rustom…Rustom [interupting]: …WalterShri Mataji: Ah? [pause] This is the Guru Puja, I’m doing. [pause] Jane? There you go. Now I’m doing your one.I’ll use it.All of you must have your individual copies. That is very important. And as everybody has different vibrations, it must be treated with the same understanding that, you all should have your individual thing with you.[Mother writes the names of all the Yogis in Devnagari in their copies of the books]Let Me just finish the work, alright?So now… Tony? What should I write? Tony or Kuli?Tony: TonyShri Mataji: What’s your real name?Tony: AntonacisShri Mataji: Anthony. Anthony. Anth…?Tony: AntonacisShri Mataji: Anta….Tony: An-to-na-cisShri Mataji: Antonacis. -nakir, “r” is there? Nakir?Tony: Ess. NakisShri Mataji: N-a-k-i-s. AntonakisSahaja Yogini: that means live [LAND UPON?...unclear]Shri Mataji: Yes I knew you had another… An…to…naa…kis, nakis.Tony: Anto…Shri Mataji: AntonakisTony: Yes MamRustom: N, A, I…Shri Mataji: N, A, I, NaikisTony: No. An-to-na-kisMaria: N, A, K, I, S.Shri Mataji: Oh. AntonakisSahaja Yogi: AntonakisSahaja Yogi: So at last we got the truth here. [laughter]Shri Mataji: Keece or KissTony: KisShri Mataji: tokis. [long pause] Now, you must know the meanings of this:“To My beloved son AntonakisWith loveMy blessingsMa NirmalaNow, who else? Tell Me the names now.Sahaja Yogi: Barbara.Shri Mataji: and Mark [long pause] May God bless you. Now. Maria. That’s your real name, Maria? Full name?Maria: And the only one.Shri Mataji: Only Maria. [pause] Go sit down. May God bless you.Sahaja Yogi: David SpiroShri Mataji: David Spiro. [pause] [Mother asks in Hindi about the Surname being "Spiral?"]Rustom: Spi-roShri Mataji [while writing]: Spi-ro. Spiro. [pause] May God bless youRustom: Malcolm Mother. Malcolm.Shri Mataji: Malcolm. Ma-la-komRustom: Mal-komShri Mataji: Malkom. [pause]Rustom: PatriciaShri Mataji: May God bless you. Patreeshia, PatriciaRustom: PatriciaShri Mataji: PatrisiaRustom: Pa’triciaShri Mataji: Ta?Rustom: TaShri Mataji: Patrisia, Patrisia.Sahaja Yogini [softly]: C, I, A.Shri Mataji: But it is TRa [rolled "R"] or Tra [soft "r"]Rustom: Its TRaShri Mataji: Tee – Are – but you see in Hindi we have two.Rustom: TraShri Mataji: PatRi, PatRisia, is correct? Patrici… Patricia, Patricia. [long pause] May God bless you.Rustom: Hester.Shri Mataji: Hm? Hester. It is… Hes-sta?Rustom: Hester.Sahaja Yogi: HestaShri Mataji: HestaaSahaja Yogi: Hesta. With an “a” no “r”.Shri Mataji: HestaSahaja Yogi: H, E S, T A.Shri Mataji: Tee. Ha?Sahaja Yogi: AShri Mataji: “T” Hesta,Sahaja Yogi: Hesta.Rustom: Short “A.”Shri Mataji: Hesta. [pause]. Hesta, May God bless you.May God bless you. Now. Sahaja Yogi: Harry.Shri Mataji: hm?Sahaja Yogi: Harry.Rustom: Hare, is your name, ha?Shri Mataji: HariRustom: HareYogi: Hari?Hari: Hari JairamShri Mataji: Hari Jairam [long pause] May God bless you.Rustom: You, Peter.Shri Mataji: P, E, T, E, R. [Hindi regarding pronunciation of Peter's name] [pause]May God bless you. Rustom: Felicity.Shri Mataji: Felicity.Rustom: [Hindi] Usko apta hai Ma.Shri Mataji: May God bless you.Rustom: Philip… PhilipPhilip: Spelt with one ell.Shri Mataji: You have…?Philip: Spelt with one ell.Shri Mataji: What’s he say?Rustom: [Hindi: about the spelling]Shri Mataji: Philip.Rustom: Philip.Philip: P, H, I, L, I, P.Shri Mataji: Philip. [pause] You can put some Music.Rustom: Oh. Malcolm? Music.Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Hm?Rustom: Allan.Shri Mataji: Allan.Sahaja Yogis [recite mantras]: Mahasaraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika, Adi Kundalini Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Ganeshaya Namaha…Keshavaya……Matavaya……G ovindaya……Vaishnave……Madhuswadhanaya……Trivikramaya……Wavanaya……Shridharaya……Rishikeshaya……Padmanabhaya…… Damodharaya……Sankarshanaya……Vasudevaya……Pradyomnaya……Anirudhaya……Purushottamaya……Adokshajaya……Narasimh aya……Achyutaya……Janardanaya……Upendraya……Haraye……Krishnaya……Virataya…Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh NamahI’ll say the names of all the deities of the Kundalini.Shri Mataji: Now you pay attention to those deities within your Kundalini. You can sit down. And just pay attention: you know where are the… which are the deities on what chakras are.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Ganeshaya Namaha…Nirmalgauri kundalini mataya……Saraswatibrahmadevaya……Hasratali Fatima mataya……Adigurudattatreyaya……Abraham……Moses……Zaratustraya……Mohammed Sahibaya……Confuciusaya……Laotzeaya……Sainathaya……Raja Janakaya……GuruNanakaya……Socrates……Avidut Adiraataya……Lakshmi Narayana……Gruhalakshmishaktimataya……Durga-jagadamba-mataya……Shiva-parvatimataya……Karuna rasa sagaraya……Daya sagaraya……Kshama shrayini……Atman paramatman……Kshetragnya……Sitarama maryada purushottamaya……Vishnugranthi vibhedini shakti mataya……Radha Krishna purnavataraya……Yeshoda Rukmini vithalaya……Vishnumaya……Lalita chakra swaminishakti……Shri chakra swaminishakti……Virataya viratanganaya……Hamsa chakra swaminishakti……Pranavaya……Omkaaraya……Kartikeyaya……Mahaganeshaya……Mahaviraya……Gautambuddhaya……Swaprakash aya mary and jesus……Mahakali Shakti bhairavaya……Mahashankaraya……Mahasaraswati Shakti hanumantaya……Mahabrahmadevaya……Mahalakshmi Shakti mahavishnuve……Ekadashaya Shakti rudraya……Rudra granthi vibhedini Shakti mataya……Sahasrara swamini moksha [pra]dayini nishkalankaya mahamaya Mataji Shri Nirmala devi……Ardabindu Shakti mataya……Bindu Shakti mataya……Valaya Shakti mataya……Sadashiva adishakti mataya……Parambrahman…Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Shri Mataji: You did not say Vishnu mantra.Rustom: I said [unclear]Shri Mataji: You said Mahavishnu….it’s alright. When you say Vishnu Shesha also you can say where the Nabhi is then say Vishnu Lakshmi and Surya Chandra. See they are also chakras, Surya Chandra. So the Ida Pingala Nadi Shakti you can also say, so that [unclear] …it now…[unclear].Rustom: Om twam sakshat Shri Lakshmi Narayana Sheshaya Namaha…Surya Chakra Swamini Shakti……Chandra Chakra Swamini Shakti…Shri Mataji: See? How it’s… [unclear] You see? You can say Chandra Mandal Madhyastha. Surya Mandal Madyastha. Means this superego and supraego.Rustom: In the… they say Bhanu Mandal MadhyasthaShri Mataji: hm. Bhanu Mandal…Rustom: OK. Om twameva sakshat Shri Chandra Mandala Madhyasthaya NamahaOm twam sakshat shri bhanu Mandala Madyasthaya namahaShri Mataji: [Hindi about Ida and Pingala] Ida and Pingala bolo.Rustom: Om twameva sakshat Shri Ida Nadi Swamini Shakti NamahaOm twam sakshat Shri Pingala Nadi swamini Shakti NamahaShri Mataji: Sushumna Nadi.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Sushumna Nadi Swamini Shakti Namaha.Shri Mataji: That’s better. [inaudible] Much better now?Rustom: There’s also Sarva Ida Granthi Vibhedini Shakti.Shri Mataji: Oh. Ida Granthi Vibhedini is good.Rustom: Om twameva sakshat shri Sarva Ida Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Mataya NamahaShri Mataji: hm.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Sarva Pingala Nadi Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Namaha.Shri Mataji: hm.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Sarva Sahasrara [sic] Granthi Vibhedini Shakti NamahaShri Mataji: Sushumna NadiRustom: Om twameva sakshat shri Sarva Sushumna Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Namaha.Om Shri Mahaganapataye Namaha, Shri Saraswati Mataya…Shri Mataji: …Now before doing any puja, one has to do Ganapati Puja, because that is the first thing is holiness… is innocence. So we have to, first of all, establish our holiness within ourselves, before we do any worship… or the innocence within us. You have to worship our innocence within us. So all the cunningness, should be left… outside.Rustom: Om Shri Mahaganapataye NamahaShri Saraswati Mataya NamahaShri gurubhyo namahaVedpurushaya NamahaAishtadevataya NamahaKuladevata bhyo namaha[someone coughs]…eksthaanadevata bhyo namahaShachipuram dharabhyam namahaKalka parashurame Bhyo namahaMatru pritru byam namahaAdityadi nava graha devta bhyo namahaSarve bhyo deve bhyo namahaSarve bhyo brahmane bhyo namahaEtat karan pradam devata bhyo namahaAvi ghanam astu…Shri Mataji: You’re not registering. Can you make it loud speaker? …the loudspeaker. You see because you can’t make…[unclear] You see?Rustom: [Hindi] I’ll put it in here. It’s ok I’ll put it in my lap.Shri Ma Bhagavato, Mahapurushasya, Vishnu Agnya Parvartam Mansya Adi Brahmano Dvitiya Parabe Vishnu Pade, Shri Shwetvarakalpe Vayvaswat Manvantare Englandeshe, Europekhande, Londonnagare, Thamesnadiye, Uttaratire Kaliyuge Kalipratamcharine, Ash…Shri Mataji: Listen to it carefully, now…Rustom: Ashtavinsha…Shri Mataji:…See now see now what is it. It is localizing the point, you see? Now, now say again. Carefully.Rustom: Kalki Avatare, shalivahan shake. vaganvartamane, anand twam sarvantsare…Shri Mataji: SavatsareRustom: Sarvantsare. Hema rutu… Don’t know what Mase, Mataji, can’t find that.Shri Mataji: Mase is… [Marathi question: Kun sa Mase wa?][yogi answers in Marathi]Shri Mataji: [Marathi: BHAIDRABAD?]Rustom: BhadramaseMarathi Yogi: [MAAG, MAAG..unclear].Shri Mataji: Hm? Maag.Rustom: Maag, Maagmase, shuklpaash…Shri Mataji: PaksheRustom: Pakshe. [Hindi meaning "Mother, what is the "Tita": KYA TITA MATAJI? KYA TITU? ]Shri Mataji: Ti tau ayes purnima.[Hindi meaning "the tita is Full Moon.]Rustom: [Hindi: meaning good/ok:] Acha. [Sanskrit:] Purnima titau… Madhu yavasare, Aadidya divas dhanuvaasare, nakshatre, vishnu yoge, vishnu…Shri Mataji: Kshatra, nakshatre ye to du.Rustom: Ah, pit dhanu bhaShri Mataji: Dhanu.Rustom: Dhanu, ah, dhanu, dhadu… ahShri Mataji: This is Sagittarius.Rustom: Sagittarius. Shri Mataji: See, we are putting the whole thing, where are we having the puja, you see? so you have to find the location and complete that in London, where the River Thames flows, and in the south…Rustom: In the north.Shri Mataji: Or, in the north of London, and then at this time. And… what is the era, and what is the month; what is the year; and what is the constellation, is Sagittarius. and what is the titi is the… today is the full moon day… Like that, you see the complete location is being said.Rustom: AchaShri Mataji: This is to, inform the Gods.Rustom: Vishnu yoge, vishnu karane, London-ashramastite, vertamam chandrastite, Shri Surya Stite, Devgura shesha, shivgrahe shivyatav ata rashishtaan-stite, shiv-satsu-evam guna visheshan na visheshtayam shubha punya titaau.Now we say… make a vow, so you have to repeat this after Me.Shri Mataji: Yes, you all have to repeat.Rustom: [after each name the Yogis repeat:] Mama… aatmana… sarvadharmaash… shastrakla… falapratyartang… aasmakang… sarveshang… sahajyogi-kutambanam… kshem… starya… vijaya… abhaya… ayu… arogya… aishwarya… abhivrudyatam… dwipada… chaturpad… sahitanang… … shantyartang… punyatang… pustyatang… tushtyatyang… samastha… mangalavapyade… samasta… abyudayartang… paramchaitanyang… prapyatang… samasta-sakal-sahajyoginam… baadas-shantyatang… eshtakamsam… siddhyatang… kalpuktafalang… aavapyatang… yatashaktya… yata-gyanang… yata-militog-chadravay… dhyaanavahang… madi-shokoktchar… pujam… karishye…[MP3 no.2 ends]What have you got and what are your powers?[Puja seems to be underway. Shri Mataji is talking with the yogis.]If you say the mantra “You are the Mahat Ahankara.” Mahat means the primordial, the big and Ahankara is the Ego. It goes out. Just say that.Sahaja Yogis: Om twameva sakshat, Shri Mahat Ahamkara Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bagavati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha.Shri Mataji: Receding back, hm?…Just settle down. Hm! Now receding, that’s much better.Sahaja Yogi: Where’s the Bowl the metal thing which was sent to be cleaned.Shri Mataji: Better? Still. Quite a lot.… We are talking of Christ. He’s the one who is sitting down there to control our ego. To dissolve it. Talking of Him. Christians have to be absolutely egoless if they think they are Christian. I mean those who follow Christ have to be egoless. Actually Sahaj Yogis are the real Jews are the real Christians are the real Hindus, are the real Muslims are the real Sikhs – because they’re not fanatics.Rustom: Nabhi’s releasing.Shri Mataji: Yes they are[Rustom discusses in Hindi with Shri Mataji about doing a Mahalakshmi Puja]Rustom: Gregoire do you want to do the Mahalakshmi Puja? Gregoire and Jane, Gavin, Tony.Shri Mataji: [... GO DO IT?] all of them.Sahaja Yogi: It’s [DEBRA?]Shri Mataji: Lets seeSahaja Yogi: Maureen?Rustom: All the people who did the book Mother, I thought I would get to do the PujaShri Mataji: No-no-no…[noise on microphone]… as it is you have got the book as well as the Puja. Those who have got the book should not [two words unclear] who haven’t got it should.Rustom: Not got it, but those who did the book Mother.Shri Mataji: Oh did the book is a good idea. That’s a better idea. Alright…. I mean: I thought those who got the book. Those who did the book must, who else is there?Various yogis: Maureen, Gregoire, TonyRustom: [Those are the people who did the book?] Who did the photograph?Shri Mataji: Come along Tony, come along comeSahaja Yogi: Ok Gregoire can you come along. [microphone moved]Rustom: Om, Shri Maha…Shri Mataji: What about your brother, Matt? [name not clear] He did the drawing.Various yogis: Yes I thought of him Mother. Is he here? Patt?[Rustom reads shlokas while Shri Mataji explains how to decorate kumkum on Her feet]Shri Mataji: Put a line here. Put a line. Then, beyond the line you paint the whole thing. Now. Get two more unmarried. Hesta where are you? Yes come along. Now you boys are to go away. Let them come. Then you see the married will have to come – five of them – for My sari. Alright? Come along.[Rustom continues.]Shri Mataji: You draw a line, first of all. Here. Now you draw a line and you don’t go beyond that line. No no not. But with one finger,one finger. Now you can use another finger.[Shloka comes to an end followed by 5 min of quiet while Mother's feet are decorated]Shri Mataji: Yes. It’s alright. Doesn’t have to look… Because we are going to put something now. Give one to them. …two sides it has got… That is mangalsutra. [necklace symbolic of a married lady] somebody, some married lady has to do thatRustom: JaneShri Mataji: Jane.You can open it. [referring to toe-ring]Rustom: Margy you can open it, its just pressed apart. Pat. Ask Pat for the Garland. Shri Mataji: You should, pull it down further with that finger. [3 words inaudible] This should be in front. You should see the thing coming… you see the ruby should come on this finger, it’s a double-sided one. That’s correct. Now this one, little down, press it a little.Rustom: [unclear]Shri Mataji: Call somebody who’s married. Sahndya, you can come along. Married women.[Marathi words]Sahaja Yogi: [inaudible]…hands…?Shri Mataji: Hands? Married women will do My hands.[Marathi]Ya. Come along, come here.[Marathi]Like that.[Marathi/Hindi]Rustom: Towel. Pass me the towel. [Hindi]Shri Mataji: [Marathi] You know how to do Swastik? [Marathi, directions for decoration of Hands] You see beyond this line, you have to put it on. With the right hand, with the right hand. All through. [Marathi] You draw the line like this Maria. Correct, now, you complete, you see, on the sides also. No-no: sides of the fingers.Rustom: You see the whole finger must be red. So that no white can show up.Shri Mataji: White, the white side of the finger. Backside. Frontside. Hm! See, how it’s improving, see? [Marathi] Good. Thank you. Like this [3 unclear words]. Is alright. Now. [Marathi]Peggy? You come here. One more married lady is wanted. Peggy has to be there. Peggy come here. Six and seven? Yes come along. Pam is married too. How many here? You can put two and let Me also have two. Mary? Come along. Come, come, come. You have to put them together otherwise they’ll break there.Sahaja Yogini: Put three?Shri Mataji: Yes, in My hands.Rustom: Just put one on each.Shri Mataji: Press My hand. Good. Now, you sit down here. Yes. Put [unclear] red on My feet. Right? Come along, put some red one My feet. Right hand. With all your fingers, all your fingers, come now. Good. Rub it here. Now on… [unclear]… Better now? Both the hands.Sahaja Yogini: Both the hands?Shri Mataji: Yes. Good. May God Bless You. Is good. Come along. Both the hands. [unclear, sounds like YOU TWINKLE?] your fingers. Now. Half the [unclear]. [DO?] you make the line again. You see you are [CROSSING?] make the line. That’s it. Stick to the line. Alright. It’s good now. Now do this one, also. Take out, alright.Feeling better now? Leave it here. Now, let’s see. Little hot. Hm?Keep the line Hm? Alright. It’s better now! Hard, rub it hard, very hard. Rub it very hard with your hands like that.How are you now. Alright. Keep the line now. This line must be re-[FORMED or DRAWN]. Alright, now, this one.… Now everybody could not come, doesn’t matter, for everyone they are doing it. You must think it’s a symbolic thing, alright? So you do not differentiate. See if I touch something by My finger, I don’t say I touch it by finger, I say I touch it. Understand that? That’s how it is. ‘Cause everybody cannot do it: you need too much time. Now. Done. [HINDI WORDS] The girls who are left will just come along. All the girls first of all.Rustom: Kumkum acha hoon [is the kumkum alright?]Shri Mataji: [Hindi words] All the girls who are left, Felicity and others also. Anna come along. Come along Anna, you come along. All those who didn’t may go. Yes now, let them come along now. Those who have been here, come along all of you. Let them give one by one?Rustom: Kumkum? Kumkum isn’t there. I’ll…Shri Mataji: Take this, in your hand, alright? Now. You’ll give Me, out of…Rustom etc: [Hindi]Shri Mataji: For the lower portion…No, no, kumkum itselfRustom: Where’s kajal. But kumkum we have Mataji.Shri Mataji: Where it is?Sahaja Yogi & yogini: There, somewhere there.Shri Mataji: All here. [NAY?] there must be the lower portion of this also, that has got kumkum.[soft talking. Shri Mataji directs the decorations of Kumkum & Kajal. Someone takes some Photos. Turmeric/Haldi is requested. ]Shri Mataji: Put on the right hand only on the right hand……You have again gone to the previous condition. Get over it. It’s nothing serious. Is very simple. Now. Alright?…[Marathi]Let him go and get the books now. How many more?Rustom: We shall need at least another thirty.Sahaja Yogi: At least…Shri Mataji: Bring the box, I think.Sahaja Yogi: Eleven books hereShri Mataji: If you take Marcus, take… bring the book….[UNCLEAR] he will take them back. Marcus, if you go with him you can bring it, but bring it fast, you see?Marcus: Thank you, Mother.[Marathi][END OF TAPE 1 SIDE A][TAPE 1 SIDE 2][Yogis sing Aarati Nirmala Mata, Saba Ko Dua, Maha Mantras (spoken), Lords Prayer, Allah Hu Akbar (x16)][microphone is moved]…[OKIST AND?] everybody had such terrible colds, that I also got a little bit of it. So, that’s one thing, and, if you want I can write it down for you and you can copy it. So “how to cure colds and prevent colds [NEXT TIME or THAT'S...unclear]Rustom: We can tape it Mataji.Shri Mataji: I would say better to take [THEM AND BE COMFORTABLE?], alright?So the thing that I want you really to know is what you have got and what are your powers, that is much more important. Now (has he come back, Peter? Not yet. [Hindi question to Rustom][noise on mike]…talk about it? Should I tell you? Now, Alright?Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] [THE BEST KIND OF TECHNOLOGY?]Shri Mataji: You can tape this. Sit-down sit-down sit-down sit-down sit-down. Ha. Mm.The other day I told you about shambhavopaya and nishaktopaya. These are two methods of… [cleansing people?]. One is by which you cleanse people -,very few of them – you take a handful of them and go on cleansing them, so their chitta is completely cleansed, all their five elements are cleansed and… then the Kundalini is raised and people get realization. That’s called as Shambhavopaya, in which …your personality is cleansed out completely. Another is Shaktopaya, I said where there is Shakti, which, makes your Kundalini rise, whatever may be the situation, and then looks after the cleansing. So, in our Sahaja Yoga, we have used the second part because there is no time left for Shambhavopaya. There it would be impossible to do it. So in Shaktopaya, normally people… what we do is Shaktipath, is to make their power, that is Shakti, to fall upon another one, like the reflection. Or, as we say, ‘the light is falling on us.’ So, they let their power, or their Kundalini’s power, fall on to the power of other’s Kundalini and then gradually raise it. But for that, human beings as they are, they have their very laborious methods, for that also. Is that theyfirst, they will choose your, what is the problem of Kundalini. So, they’ll go through all your history, find out what sort of parents you have had and this and that, what kinds of dreams you have; they analyze you completely. And then also they find out what kind of diseases you could have had. For example, anybody who has got, say, eye’s trouble, or trouble with the nose, or trouble with the throat, or with the stomach and all kinds of things, are avoided. So you can imagine how many of us would fit into that category. And… then they would, also find out what sort of life they have led and what sort of parents they have got. Mostly, it was done also to people who, actually at a very young age, went to the Gurus and asked for this Shaakta thing – Nishaktipath. Now, because of Me, it has become very simple, as you know is the Shaktipath, that what you have to do now is Shaktipath, means, to throw your light onto others. ‘Shakti’ is power and ‘path’ means to make it fall. So, your Shakti can now fall onto anybody’s Kundalini and it can rise. Now, it was a very, very difficult thing. They said only person who is a ‘Veetaraga’, the one who has conquered all his ‘raaga’ – ‘raaga’ means any attachment – all the attachments – the one who has conquered. He’s without any attachment, he’s completely detached in life, can only do the Kundalini rising. So first of all, ‘Deeksha’ has to be given, is initiation. That you have already got. The day you came to Me you got the Deeksha. You do not realize, that… how it happens. Such a lot of things have happened to you, telescopically, that you do not realize how many things have happened to you. So, only for Deeksha, you see, a person is taxed quite a lot. I mean, you have to look after your Guru quite a lot, and you have to take some fruits and things like that. Money also some of these nonsensical people take, but that doesn’t matter, but even there is, some ‘Dakshina’ has to be given, because, see, Guru has to be looked after by the ‘Chelas’.The Guru is after all, is not at all attached to your wealth or to anything that you give. But it is the duty of the Shishyas [disciples] to look after the Guru, and that’s why a little money is also… was to be given, to a Guru. I mean, of course they are now misusing the whole stuff, because the Guru has to live somewhere; he has to have a house and, all these things. So a little money was also given, called as Dakshina. The whole thing is now so misinterpreted and has been taken to such a nonsensical limit, that people are just making it an enterprise. But the Guru had to be something, of that level, who would raise the Kundalini. And that Guru was ‘Veetaraga’, means the one who is, lost all attachment of the world – absolutely unattached. Who’s chitta has been cleared so much, that there is no greed left in him, there is no temptation left in him. There is only forgiveness in the person. Such a person was regarded as a ‘Veetaraga’, and when such a person, raised the Kundalini he could. Only Kundalini could be commanded by only such rare people. So, first of all, you have got the diksha [initiation] of a Guru without any introduction. So, the diksha you have got. You have got the maha diksha also. First is the diksha. Then, what is the maha diksha? The second maha diksha is that you are given a mantra, only one name is given, otherwise, normally. But this mantra is also to be taken out, because, the Guru, if he knows- I mean, these Gurus did not even know what chakras you are catching, just imagine! So, they used to consult your horoscope. “You have come at such and such time to me,” say, “today you have come to see me. Now what is your horoscope? So, what must be your trouble? Under what nakshatra – constellation - you were born? What was the name of your parents? Then, there’s a big science about it: they used to count from A-B-C-D like that, and reach a point where they would find the words. What is the second word, what is the third word, like that, and then they used to consult, it’s a big shastra [science]. And after consulting that they would find out what is the chakra catching in you. And then they would give you a name, “Alright, say Rama.” You go on saying “Rama, Rama”, till your right heart chakra is cured. This may take two years, three years, maybe two lives, maybe a hundred lives – you carry on with one mantra “Rama, Rama, Rama”, always. But this was to be done with all those consultations of your constellation and everything, your family, house, everything, and then to be brought to that point where the chakra is caught up.Now, supposing, your four chakras are caught up… [Yogini speaks in Marathi & Shri Mataji replies briefly in Marathi.] Because, you see, whatever is in the horoscope denotes what is the trouble you are having, isn’t it? Or what troubles you’ll be having – physical, only, to begin with. So, they would know through your Kundalee, means your horoscope, what was the trouble you are having. Supposing you are having a trouble in your stomach, so they would go round and round and round and found out one mantra for the stomach. Because, directly they cannot find out. Like the scientist, you see. Scientist, how they find out things? See, supposing you go to the doctor: he will take out your eyes, wash it nicely, put it back, say “eyes are alright.” Then he’ll take out your teeth, make artificial teeth, jam them in saying that your teeth were alright [Shri Mataji laughs]. He’ll take out your ears, fix up something new, artificial, say it’s alright, take out your heart, examine it, put another one there. It’s like this, you see in the same way they used to do it, because, they were groping in the dark. As you people know about chakras, they did not know what are the chakras catching. So, you can imagine, what a maha, maha, maha diksha you have got now.First is you have got a diksha; the day your Kundalini rises is the diksha. Then you get your Realization. This is out of question, they can never talk in one breath. You are kept hanging in the air, you see, all the time, upside down – just like bats in the night, you see? Then they would consult other things like, they would see what kinds of friends you keep, to what people you are attracted, so the temperaments they will see. From that also they will judge. May give you another mantra.So, these mantras you go on sitting and [for] hours together with them, all the time, reciting these mantras without paying attention to your other needs. And this was, when the mantra was achieved, they used to call it “All right. The mantra is ‘siddha’ [established] now for you.” Means now this mantra you can use for somebody else, means only Rama’s mantra you could use, just imagine! Now, what have you got it? You have got your Realization – alright. But Realization means you have got the complete knowledge as to what mantra is to be made for, any chakra whatsoever. You can coin your own mantras.Then you also have got the power to know all the chakras which are needing the help. You’ve got power to raise the Kundalini of other people. You have got power to fix the Kundalini onto Sahasrara if it is falling down. You’ve got power to cleanse the chakras of the other people and your own. You’ve got power to fix the chakras also by giving it a bandhan. You’ve got power to protect yourself from all negativity through your bandhan. You have got power, to direct your attention to any place by which you can know about anyone who needs your help.You have got power to feel the problem in the collective, also. Like, what’s wrong with London? Put your hands. What’s wrong with London? Like this, like this, Frank, never towards Me, dangerous.Rustom: Left Heart very strong.Shri Mataji: Left heart.Sahaja Yogini: Right Heart.Rustom: And Right Heart.Shri Mataji: And Right Heart, that way, everything, but minimum left heart.Sahaja Yogi: And Right Swadishthan.Shri Mataji: Right Swadishthan.Now, you’ve got a language which describes something. See, you’ve got the language to these seven, you said “left heart.” You have not hurt anyone by saying that. You Londoners are catching on left heart, means what? That means you are going against God. You are not interested in the Spirit, you are materialists. You are egoistical. You do not care for your Spirit. You are trying to harm your Spirit, you are drunkards. You are going to ruin yourself in drinking. But all this you don’t say. You just say: “Your left heart is catching” finished.[Laughter]You don’t even say that you should do any forgiveness and all that. You only just put your hand like this, and ask for the forgiveness of all the Londoners on the left heart. And they are forgiven and then they drink more and drink more and have a worse heart.[Laughter] So, all these powers you have got now is to raise the Kundalini and to remove the obstructions in the Kundalini. If there’s somebody’s Agnya Chakra would be caught up, the Guru would not remove his Agnya Chakra, fearing that his own Agnya Chakra would be caught up. So, they had to first do the mantras to be "siddha". "Siddha" means, the one which is proved now - effective. Your every mantra is effective. You take the name of the deity and your mantra is effective, it’s already Siddha. Like a bundle it has got everything into it, you open it and you get it.If somebody’s any chakra is catching and you just say the mantra and finished. And you have knowledge of all the mantras and you know what it is. And you have all the knowledge and it is so secret that others do not know. Even if you do not take the names, you just point at, everybody knows what’s the matter, where to go, what to say. So, though it is so much secret, it is so much understood between you. See the homogenous understanding between us is we know what is what. And then we do not feel bad about ourselves and about others. Though I say that your Mr. E-G-O is big, nobody hits Me back. At the time of Christ, it was impossible to take the name of E-G-O. Now you can say, and you can see also clearly your ego, your super-ego, your nonsense, this, that, everything you can see. Even if somebody, has the power, say is a born-realized person, he doesn’t know a word about how to raise the Kundalini. He cannot raise the Kundalini unless and until he has become a Sahaja Yogi! So those born-realized who think no end of themselves should know that they have to become Sahaja Yogis, otherwise they are not effective; they cannot be Kriyavati – they cannot go into action.So, all these things you have got within yourself, that you have the full knowledge. about the deities. You know why they get angry; what is the problem; by what sin they get angry. Only if I say, “Don’t Commit Sin”, finished. you’ll say, “What is a sin?” Then if you say that “don’t commit this,” but now it is not only that, but you try some tricks, and you’ll have it. There’s a… compulsory bandhan on you, of your Mother. If you try to drink, you’ll vomit. If you do anything wrong, your stomach will go out. If you try to avoid Sahaja Yoga, you’ll have to be there. Because, though you are not feeling it, you have felt, inside yourself, the charm of Sahaja Yoga.But, there is a group of people, still, who have been realized and who are not, yet there. Now what is the difference between the two is? Very simple – is the recognition. Those who have not recognized Me, will not be blessed. They’ll be going round and round and round. So it is necessary to recognize. Now there are some people, like… I’ll say, very good example is, Shirdi Sainath’s disciples are there. Now, he is no more. So they believe in him. Now where is he? They don’t want to believe in the present incarnation, they want to believe in something that is dead, they believe in Rama, they’ll believe in Christ. Most of the Christians have this problem. Even they will relate Me only to Christ. If I cannot relate Myself to Christ they cannot be in Sahaja Yoga. Or they’ll relate Me, only to Moses, or to someone like that. You have to live in the present, and you cannot conceptualize Me Your concepts are limited supposing you were born here. You would be Christian. But if you are born in India you would be a Hindu. If you are born in China, you would be Chinese, with your eyes like that. You could have been anything, so, when your misidentification starts working, immediately you know!…that you are misidentified, because vibrations will stop. So the group of people which are in between – the people, who are not yet settled down fully into Sahaja Yoga, who are not fully empowered, are the people who cannot recognize. And they feel very proud about it sometimes that “we cannot recognize.” It’s foolishness. Immediately your vibrations will start flowing as soon as you recognize. And the – such group of people, are the people who are coming from various sources of… we can say various sources of other Gurus and things like that.,Then there is a problem about them. And such people, when they come to Sahaja Yoga, they get their realization.I’m generosity I should say. They all get their realization whatever may be the case. Even the other day we had a prostitute there, she also got the Realization. And Sahaja Yoga also gives a very long rope. You do not lose your vibrations easily, if you get them properly. But what happens just after Sahaja Yoga: being the light, you start seeing all your defects within yourself. Then you want to deny Sahaja Yoga. Some people start getting tingling. Some people normally feel alright but in My presence they start shaking, or going into contortions. As soon as some people see Me, you have seen, that they become heated up; they get pain in the stomach – because, when you face the light you start facing yourself. And you do not want to face yourself. The main thing is those who are not yet steady in Sahaja Yoga, are not willing to face themselves. If they would face themselves they would correct themselves so fast, because there is light, you do not identify yourself with your defects. You are the doctor, you have the light and you operate. Also you know how to operate. If you just decide on this point that “I’m going to face myself, let me see who I am,” all these defects will run away.- but you do not want to face it. And that’s why those who get realization also don’t want to come to it. Those who also get cool breeze, they don’t think much of it. Because if they think much of it they have to give up their ego, with which they are identified all these years. Moreover they will have to see themselves. So, they say “No, I’m not better, I am tingling and this is happening, there are needle and pins in My body, and that is…, how can I be? It is not helping me. Sahaja Yoga is taking me backwards.” They’ll start blaming the Sahaja Yoga for it, instead of seeing to people who have improved.But whom are you blaming? You are blaming something that is going to save you. You are blaming your Savior. Is better to see your own problems, your own defects and come up. To be very kind to yourself is this: that…you get rid of all these serpents and scorpions and all those, other things that are hanging around and just become pure. And the light has come. In this light you should start seeing what is the truth. Then your misidentifications will drop out and your real identification will be established. Otherwise it cannot be done. You must learn to face yourself, never justify. Now some people have a habit of justifying even their son, or their brother, or wife or husband. You are not helping them by that. Then these negative people have a thing to go together. Always two negative will join together, to put up a show. I’m surprised we don’t even have any union here. See otherwise we can have “negative people’s union, against Mataji.” I mean you could be, facing like that. Because [YOU or THEY, not clear] always combine and, there is a big fraternity among negative people, big fraternity! Because, you have seen, that, those who are robbers, they always combine together. They are very friendly. They keep all the secrets. But two good people, if they combine, the whole world can be changed. So, you must understand that try to go to a person who is positive. Otherwise you cannot develop your Sahaja Yoga. Who talks negatively: you do not go near them. Now, in this country, there’s another group of people. Because you are going to be guru tomorrow, I am telling you all types. They do not want to face themselves, but there are many ways by which they avoid it. One of them is: as soon as they get Realization, they start analyzing it. You give them anything, they’ll analyze. I mean in this country, they think they can analyze everything! I don’t know from where did they get this idea. Maybe this… scientist or maybe these psychologist, must have – other intellectuals, so-called – they might have given this idea that you take everything, this-is-this-because-of-this. I mean you don’t even have your eyes opened. You are such little babies still. How can you analyze all these things? So, you start analyzing everything. Why this has happened, why that has happened! Once you start analyzing, you lose everything… Start talking about it, analyzing about it. What you have to do is to receive it, assimilate it, take it more and more. Expose yourself. Do not find faults, with Sahaja Yoga, but know that there are faults with you which can only be corrected through Sahaja love. There are people who even come on Me. “Why didn’t you do like this, Mother? Why didn’t you do like that?” I think I know My job very well. They try to teach Me also. “You should have done like this, you should have done like that.” Whichever way you do, if somebody is jack-in-the-box, he’ll always come up, because that’s the nature of the person. So you change that nature, “Remove your springs a little bit. Settle down.” And these spring are nothing but this analytical business. Such people you will meet many.So how to approach these people? What I have done about these analytical people, that is what you have to do with them. Now, listen very carefully. You give realization to somebody. Alright? And the person feels the cool breeze in the hand. Now he starts saying, “Now, so what! I feel, so what?” Now you tell him, that “you did not get them by thinking, did you? Or through analysis?” “No.” “You never had them before?” “No.” “Then you’ve got it now… Now what are these? You explain.” You cannot explain, so it is, something that has happened to you beyond your thinking power… Is a higher power than your thinking. You see, they… Thoughtless means they think he’s a mad cap. You see? If you talk thoughtless awareness, they think,… “Oh, that means you don’t think, means you are easily… primitive.” They think you are primitive if you do not think. It has happened through a power, which is much higher than you! By thinking what have you done? By thinking: you have cut your noses, cut your eyes, cut your hands, everything you have cut. And now you are going to have a big war. Wonderful thinking. So you tell them, “by thinking you never got it and this is some higher power.” Talk of higher things – that has given you this. So if you have to be in that higher power, this lower power of your thinking you put it down a little. That’s how they’ll come round. If you try to say, “oh don’t think,” they will say, “What? Don’t think means it is not even thinkable. I mean it is that useless!” And this is to tackle these people who are egoistical, and who think, and who would not even accept even if they get cool breeze. So gradually, you help them. Then for a guru, as you are now, you have all the knowledge, all the power and everything. But what we lack, is confidence… and we have inertia within us. I don’t know, how this inertia is going to get out. You know sometimes, people who are that inert, they also have a use, and they are put in the canons, you see, and blasted in a circus, so they can show their feats. They are so inert that nothing can disturb them. But, you are My children. I have made you after the image of Jesus Christ, of Shri Ganesh. All their powers are available to you. And this is one point I fail sometimes I don’t know, how to remove your inertia. Because, you have not practiced Sahaj Yoga. You have not gone into any practice. You got it very easily cheaply. You do not understand its value. So you just want to have as a side track, you know? You have to discipline yourself, unless and until you discipline yourself, I leave it to your freedom, because I have always believed in the freedom of My children, because I think they are not that low type, that I should put freedom on them as a, sort-of-a bar, that they should not use their freedom. You’re absolutely free. If you want to go to hell, I will give you a chariot, to go direct. But if you want to go to heaven, I’ll give you a vimana – an aeroplane, to go there. So it is for you people, to become dynamic, and to have confidence within you. You know every Chakras; you know every rising of the Kundalini you know everything. Take it upon yourself! Then a person who takes it upon himself, you see I…… I can be very angry with all of you. Very simple. But no I have to get the job done. I have to talk to you nicely I have to sometimes scold you, I have to ask you this way, that way, you know? Marinate you, sometimes, sometimes put little grease, sometimes do this do that, sometimes give some heat, sometimes cold. Manage them, somehow, bring them round, and treat them in such a way that they are there. In the same way you have to treat those people. Not to get angry with them – to get angry is the easiest way, you see. Then have no problems. Once I get angry with you all, I’ll have My own peace. No problem. But you have to be really very-very, patient with all of them. Extremely patient: your language… [virtually inaudible][long pause] “Please”, “I am sorry “. You have lots of words here, but I think they have lost their value. So we come to one point we must [PLEAD?] from our heart, We must feel from our hear that “We have to save this man. We have to help him.” Then sometimes you have to scold also, because you’ll find most of the negative people, will be the greatest, fussiest ever born; they’ll create the greatest scenes ever possible; they’ll show-off the maximum… All these possibil…[end of tape 1 side 2][tape 2 side 1]…everyone individually: “What you can do about Sahaja Yoga.” Make the list of people whom you are going to bring. Only those who come once to church… on… Christmas – may send their subscription every Sunday, also some of them do – are alright, can bring up the rear, of Sahaja Yoga. But such a rear can be a load, just a load, unless and until we have a real force in front. So you have to decide whether you are going to be just a load on Mataji that, “We’ve come here… My father is ill my mother is ill my brother is ill,” or “get me a job and do this and do that… I must have…” all these things are just good-for-nothing, useless. To My mind, it is absolutely useless. They have no meaning; I just do not think much of them. But now if you say, ‘alright, I am willing to do this and that for you,’ in the same way, with others also, you should talk in such a way… ‘Why you are bothering about these thing? What is it so important? What have you to do… in life? When you start talking like that your wisdom, your greatness, everything will be appreciated. The gurus, have to know from where their power has come and they must have their ideal corrected. They should study Me, how I talk to people, how I show My complete ignorance even if I know that they are horribly caught up and… I’d never tell them that “you are possessed” – never – till absolutely they start shaking their heads and, absolutely they go beyond. I’d never tell them personally. In the same way you should not, also, suddenly say to somebody “you are possessed,” because that may, absolutely upset people. Any curt answer, any sharp answer, is not going to help. Is a thing you must understand, you see is a gurudom, is different and to be a guru is different. You have to be extremely soft, and very sweet, otherwise these mad caps, they’ll all run away and they’ll be destroyed. They don’t know they’re good, you have to tell them they’re good, you have to talk to them sweetly; you have to do everything, go all out, bring them out, and do it. So today all of you have to take a vow, that you are all gurus and so, you are going to show… that you have, manifested, your guru-ness. When I come back, I want to see what have you done about it. All of you should get to it.May God bless you. [4 MP3]Shri Mataji : Any questions? Food can be served also… Any questions… Must ask questions you see? Because in the reaching of Sahaja Yoga you have problems.Sahaja Yogi: Mother, what do the born-Realized have that we don’t, and what do we have that the born-Realized don’t?Shri Mataji : Born Realized are the people who were Realized long time back, before they were born in this lifetime. So they clear out much faster than you do, because they have done the clearing before also, so they clear out very fast. They normally do not take to all the perversions and all the temptations that you take to, and they are very different type of people. They are unique and cynical because when they are born they find the rest of them are going the other way and they don’t know how to deal with the others, because they don’t know how to deal with the others and deal with the situation. They become cynical, and they have their own ideas, and maybe these born Realized might develop their ego, also, quite a lot.Normally they do not take to temptations – normally – but if they go to it, they will see to it that they have it fully, and, while you people have a very great capacity for one thing, because you know your Realization, it happened in your own awareness, when you were aware of it, you saw the happening. So you understand the value of it. Supposing you are born in a rich family, then you don’t understand the value of richness. But supposing you are not born in a rich family and suddenly you get lot of riches, then you can compare what I was and what I am. In the same way in Sahaja Yoga when you are not Realized and you get Realization, you can compare. And then the value of Realization is much greater for a Sahaja Yogi than for a just a Realized soul, even if some Realized souls also may understand but they are more individualistic, they are not so much collective, as you people are.Secondly, because you have gone through that, in this lifetime and in your own memory all the wrong things you have done, you have much more compassion and understanding for other people, who have got these things. While these who are Realized people do not have much of that patience for others and they have their own way of doing things. If they come to Sahaja Yoga they could be very dynamic and very great, no doubt. But they will not take to Sahaja Yoga easily because they think they are alright: "Why should we accept anything else now? " Because, sort of, they are satisfied people. But they cannot help the humanity unless and until they learn the thing. Like a man, say, who’s very clever, very intelligent, is a child born, very intelligent. He doesn’t like to go to a school. But he misses all the other things of the school: the discipline of the school, the complete knowledge of the school. He maybe alright I mean, he’s quite intelligent, but he lacks all that, which one can get it in a school in a proper way. Apart from that he lacks that companionship, with Me. Because I have given you Realization, so you feel Me much more than they can.Supposing a child is born to a mother and the child has not seen the mother, then that child cannot have that feeling for a mother as you people can have. So this is the greatest thing that you have got. And if the Realized, born Realized also, try to stick on to Sahaja Yoga they will also develop the same feeling, and then the joy starts pouring in, because you start seeing how your Mother looks after you, at every moment, how She creates play and how She creates magic, because you forget your Mother when She- I have not given you Realization you forget Her. You think: " Oh, I’m already Realized" sort of thing comes in you. Shri Mataji : What other question?Sahaja Yogi: It’s probably a silly question, but can self-Realization ever be lost, can you loose it, when given it.Shri Mataji: No, it’s not a silly question, it is not.You see, it is like this: when you become a human being, you are born as a human child alright? But supposing the child is put in company of the foxes, the child grows like a fox. Then, it does not have human awareness, it has the foxes’ awareness, but the body is that of a fox. [Human ?] In the same way you are Realized when you have jumped into another superhuman awareness. But if you do not allow it to grow properly, it has to grow still, and it has to grow, otherwise it won’t be manifesting itself. So that’s how it can be lost, in the sense that, you have to be born again and again it can come up. And it is lost in many.Intellectuals?Big problem. I don’t know. Because I have never known, such silly people before, you know. This lifetime only I am seeing such silly people and idiotic ones. Those who get Realization also don’t understand the value of Realization. Can you think of such people any time ? Also Realization can be lost, say, after Realization you don’t feel like drinking much or something and you try to force yourself and try to become a bad person again and again. Then the Kundalini may not rise and that’s how, though there will be an opening but Kundalini won’t rise, at all. Can happen. I’ve known many people. I mean, this is something so new, you know? In Kali Yuga everything is funny, but this is the funniest thing. Really. I’m surprised. I’m myself surprised at people, that they have got Realization; they’ll come to program; they’ll give Realization to ten people and then settle back – losing all their vibrations. There are. Quite funny type you know. This Kali Yuga has created such combinations and permutations. Endless! It’s impossible to understand them.So, the question is not silly at all, because you see, silly people are there. They think it fits in there. It is true – very sad – but it is. It happens. Such set of people. I mean, you can’t think of such set of people. I mean I never dreamt that I’ll be meeting such people. I thought “Once I give them realization they’ll be just Sahaj Yogis, very nice…” you know. Here I was, you know, like have you seen any… any fruit becoming a flower? Ha! I mean, really! This reversion is possible I never knew but human beings with their ego can do this reversion also. They have achieved it. [Mother laughs] You know after a egg is hatched the chick comes out, it cannot become an egg, isn’t it? But it does in human beings. They are silly people My child I know, you are correct, that is true it can be lost. It has been lost in so many of them. So you should tell them is better, you see the only way… advantage of this you can frighten them. You see “Don’t do like this otherwise it will be lost.” Then they’ll be alright. If they care for it. But human beings have become very superficial they just don’t care, much. You tell them “You shouldn’t do like this, is wrong” they’ll say “I know, I know!” “Then why are you doing it?” “I know, I know!”Now what do you know? Now you don’t know what to talk to such people. Some of them are about to go to lunatic asylum. Or perhaps they are not yet in, and we are facing them. Some of them are like that. Half nit…wits and what d’you call them, all kinds. One thing you must know, that the people who ride the ego are mostly those who are archbishops of idiocity. And with the idiots if you deal, you don’t know what they will do. So it can be. You see an idiot you don’t know what he’s up to. How can you see? For a sane person it is very difficult. But I have seen it, happening. They look very sensible, when they talk, but they’re idiots. You give them a diamond, tell them “this is diamond, look after it,” they’ll throw it away. In that they think “Oh, I have been a very detached person. I’m not interested even in my self-realization.” Maybe this is the justification. I cannot explain, but it is true. But doesn’t matter. I will manage them also – after some time. But they are headaches, you know? They are headaches. So first try simpler words, then the difficult ones. Always try first simpler words.[You?] can see through vibrations; you know everything; you know how you are placed and how they are placed; with vibration you can fathom out your own achievements you can… I mean you know your moorings you know, I mean relative position Â- everything you know. So there is no problem and you know such a lot.Hm what other question? [Marathi word "wathaapini?"]Bala? So “Here you are,” as Bala has said in one of his letters that a man has to have three things. One rare thing is that he should be born a human being. Is very rare. Second rare thing that he should have desire to meet God, and the third is to get a good guru. Here three things have happened… (you have got realization also), then what are we doing? This is the question. I mean everything has happened I mean it’s all there! And what do you do? You give the light. Now they say are we… now maybe I have enlightened you. Then what do you do? Give the light! Finished! Keep your lamp clean, and give the light. That’s all. Nothing else is needed. But you don’t take your light into some corner, or hide it under the sofa.Are you better now. How are you? Good. Are you alright now? You, good. David?David: Yes I am, Mother.Shri Mataji: Oh. That David also is he alright?David2 [Scottish accent?]: I was just thinking about what you’d said Mother. How can we help people who are born realized? But, they playing hard to get, they won’t come into Sahaja Yoga.Shri Mataji: I know they are very -David2: How can we help them?Shri Mataji: They should help themselves, David. Don’t bother your head. Now this Mr. Gent [said as in "get"] of yours or Gent [said as in "jet"] or whatever his name is. He’s trying to study all the four, what you call, yogas and this and that and [ON or ALL?]. So what is he doing now? This is Mahayoga all the things are inside it and now he should come down to do these things. He just doesn’t want to meet Me. He’s avoiding. What can you do about him? Look at them. He’s more on a supraconscious style, you see? And the Raja Yoga and all that is all humbug, is all nonsense they have written, absolute nonsense it is. That’s not Raja Yoga at all! It’s all misappropriation and, I don’t know what to call it like… You see as I was telling, the other day, it’s written that, in Sanskrit language, that when the Kundalini rises, She become Kriyavati, Gyanavati and all that. Means She become active – activity comes into her. So, according to Raja Yogis, when Kundalini rises you start jumping like a monkey. It is not! But it means then the activity comes into you that you start moving the Kundalini of others. That’s how they formed a huge big area of the so-called Raja Yogis. They said this is Raja Yoga.Sahaja Yogini [Italian?]: Mother, can we work on other people’s Kundalini when they are not aware of it?Shri Mataji: Yes yes, that you can raise but -Sahaja Yogini: …[WHEN WE...not clear] find it easier to do it this way, because some people are – although they see the beauty of Sahaja Yoga, they… they refuse to come into it or have anything to do with it.Shri Mataji: You raise their Kundalini, then gradually they’ll come. But, you see they have to be aware of their realization; that is a compulsion.Sahaja Yogini: They do. But I have come across some people that say they feel, so bad in themselves, that they say they’re not ready for it yet.Shri Mataji: But you should say “How do you judge yourself?”Sahaja Yogini: Well, hm…Shri Mataji: You can also say like this that “I used to say… say the same thing, it’s in the fashion. But now the time of judgment has come whether your are ready or not.” Nobody’s going to pull them out of the graves and judge them.Sahaja Yogini: So can we just put the…Shri Mataji: [unclear IF IS?] You will leave it to us whether you are judged… you are ready or not. These are all fashions, you know. This is a new style. “We are not ready. I am very bad Mother. I am good for nothing. I’m useless.” Sahaja Yogini: Some of them, Mother, they are too young that they feel that by coming nearer to God, they lose some of their freedom as young people. You understand. It’s very difficult to say it indifferently but… I’m talking about the purity of the person, and …Shri Mataji: This is the problem. You should tell them that by… You see, freedom is different, and abandonment is different. These are two things. One must understand. Say, there is a kite in the hand, alright? Then it is in your hand. But if you allow the kite to fly it wherever it likes, it is abandonment. So the freedom is that in which you can manage to maneuver it, to man it, to take it the way you like, that is the freedom. Then you are free. But if you are in the hands of these… baselessly you are roaming about, then this is abandonment… for which there is always a punishment. Like, you’ll be amazed at, in the western country, the percentage of impotent people is so high that – unbelievably – it is like that. They talk so much about sex and do this thing is talking [shocking?] It never works out. So much of impotency is settled in these western countries. The diseases, the dirty diseases, which are caused by, these indiscriminate sex activities, are so much in percentage, that one has to be guarded against. You see if somebody says “give me freedom to put my both the hands inside the circuit of electricity,” is that freedom? And I don’t understand what is the freedom they enjoy like this. Because there is jealousy, you cannot go about with many girls. There is jealousy; you cannot go about with many boys. There can be murders, you see. Why people murder these days? Their ego is hurt. Even with all this you see some, any drama or play and you see [IT?], you’ll be amazed, there is always a feeling of… Nobody says “Alright you have a boyfriend? Go ahead, I’m very happy” I have not heard anyone saying that. No one likes it – it hurts! They do it secretly. They cannot do it openly. If it is freedom it should be open. Why there is secrecy about it. They’ll hide from the man with whom they are connected, and just do it secretly. This is not good. They are deceiving themselves; they were deceiving another person. Deception! And this is no freedom. Supposing like a thief comes in and wants to run away with something. He says “I should have freedom to take away.” It’s like that! When you put your eyes on somebody, who belongs to someone else, then you are thieving. In the registration office it is said that this belongs to me. Then that is mine. In the same way in the registration office it is said that you are the wife of such-and-such, then your husband is the owner. Or you are the owner of your husband. I mean this relationship is between the two. But now supposing there is some sort of a relationship to be established like a thief, then you do it secretly. You understand My point? It is not registered anywhere else. Otherwise they become absolutely shameless, abandoned, and then all of them end up in the orphanages, at the age of forty-five years – looking like old, dilapidated, secluded, excluded, what other name is, cut-off people. So to deal with reality must be done with intensity. Even love must be intense. Otherwise you are just befooling yourself playing games. You see they just want to play games. It leads them nowhere. So this is not freedom, this is tomfoolery. It is making fool of yourself. It’s only you identification. Freedom means freedom to ego, not to wisdom. Sahaja Yogi [French Yogi, Patrice]: Mother do we have powers to kill rakshasas?Shri Mataji: Of course. You have. You have killed also so many of them. This is the minimum power you are.Sahaja Yogini: [INAUDIBLE - something to do with using "mardini" from the negativity destroying mantras together with someone's name?]Shri Mataji: You coin a mardini with anyone – finished. You see it is like this: I’m entitled, you see. I am the One who has killed all of them. So I’m entitled. I’ve got the title, you see, if you take My name title they finish off there. All their powers are dropping down; so you use that; you have been empowered. Otherwise how do you save these TM people, these people that people? Poor things they are under the grip of these horrible rakshasas.Patrice: Then they are finished, they don’t come in another form?Shri Mataji: No, I mean… You see they have so many other, styles of things, but you definitely kill some of them. Like in the war, you see? You are killing the enemies. You kill one, then another soldier, third soldier, forth soldier, like that. Sahaja Yogini:[italian] Mother, what shoebeating does to a person who is full of catches and bhoots? If we should shoebeat a person who is full of…?Shri Mataji: No, d’you see we should remove our interest a little bit, and give the photograph. Let them work on photograph, If they are not interested in photograph, just forget the person. You should not show interest in people who have no interested in the photograph. See that’s the best way. Why unnecessarily waste your energy? Sahaja Yogini: What happens if these people are in immediate contact with us, like living with us? We cannot just, you know, ignore these people, I mean…Shri Mataji: No you, if they don’t listen to you about these things, Try to cut off from them, and also tell Me their names: I’ll manage them.[Laughter]Sahaja Yogini: I’m telling You the names to get rid of it?[Laughter]Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Give Me in writing, you see. Give Me in writing and give Me a photograph. Then I’ll manage. Sahaja Yogi: I’m living with someShri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogi: I’m living with some.Shri Mataji: Alright? You give Me the names.[Shri Mataji laughs]Sahaja Yogi: No Ma, I’ve been living with them for six years.Shri Mataji: Yes, but you give Me the names, and the thing, I’ll manage them.Can I have my sweater, it’s here.Sahaja Yogi: No, I mean there’s no need Mother.Shri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogi: There’s no need, You know?Shri Mataji: There’s no need at all. Forget them. You see no need to do that, firstly. Secondly is that you learn you see they’re a good subject to learn. You see otherwise how will you know what sort of people they are?Sahaja Yogi: All right.Shri Mataji: My sweater? Oh, there… What’s happening to the biryani? The first attempt was biryani, [Mother laughs] and they asked Me the recipe, and – God save them – I told them that “don’t try all these things,” but they said “No. we’ll do it.” So, they must have done something. Just give Me.)You see among yourself only you can find out. Just now they say “How Kuli has answered the question.” Just don’t worry. (Who is there?) You are living with stones and you are living with so many other things. This… Sahaja Yogini [Italian]: But, don’t You think Mother of the children? Through their innocence they have more chances to get their Realization faster than the adults?Shri Mataji: Children?Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Yes they can. But I mean, some children can be very nasty, can be horrible.Can you close the window?Sahaja Yogi: shut the curtain rather.Shri Mataji: Better, let him do it. No-no I think better [unclear words]. Sit down, sit down. Kya hala tumhara. Aap teek ho gay?Rustom: Abhi Ma. Almost. Hundred percent.Shri Mataji Acha? Hundred percent. Sab pal tumha kya ha le. Aap teek ho gay? Bal tum lo gay si dira dev chalte ho…[...Mother continues in Hindi and calls in Marathi to the Maharashtrians at the back of the room]They can’t hear Me. [Marathi words]Rustom: Mataji, shall we bring the khana here before Your feet?Shri Mataji: Ha?Rustom: Shall we bring the food before Your feet?Shri Mataji: Kya what is it?Rustom: Shall we bring the food here, before Your feet?Shri Mataji: All right, if you want to. There’s no need. You do one thing, you take it.Sahaja Yogi [offering food]: Mix something with it?Shri Mataji: No that’s all. Can I give it in something so that you can…just pour it in. Yes please.Sahaja Yogi [French]: Peter is back.Shri Mataji: [Marathi words]. Very well done. Rustom? You have done it very well.Rustom: The ladies should be thanked Mother. Maureen and Cathy. Shri Mataji: Very good. Little salt is needed.Rustom: Ah, that’s true. I thought so too.Shri Mataji: Very well done.Nichessa purani kallo? [Marathi words] That is how we all meet and love each other and -nice isn’t it.Sahaja Yogi [Patrice]: Djamel is going to have an army of Ayatollahs on their backs.[Laughter]Djamel: No, no, I’m trying to suggest the ideology around here, because all the Ayatollahs are going to be trapped by the Americans.Shri Mataji: You know but, I must say I was surprised – thanks to you – that your President has done something about it. He’s very much different. You know, he has helped President Carter in some way, because President Carter has thanked him very much. Your President. Algerian.Djamel: Not supporting the-Shri Mataji: No he has said something by which he, I don’t know, for some “unknown reasons” they wrote, that President Carter thanked the President of Algeria.But what do you think about this mosque? What are they doing there?Who could these be people?Patrice: It’s a new messiah. Mother. one more.Djamel: I think they’re probably from the Muslim Brothers you know they…Shri Mataji: From the?Djamel: There’s a sect called the “Muslim Brothers” you see they’re very extremistShri Mataji: More than these?Djamel: Oh, of course. More than these Ayatollahs.Shri Mataji: They are from what country, from…?Djamel: Oh, they’re everywhere, mainly in Egypt.Sahaja Yogi1: Egypt,Shri Mataji: But Egyptians are against this.Djamel: We have them mostly in Algeria, but they are not regarded, well regarded by people alsoShri Mataji: What do they do, murders and things?Djamal: No, they just have their own fanatic ways, you see? And sometimes they can be violent. Like in Egypt, they have been very violent.Shri Mataji: Acha. I mean they have those weapons and things with them?Djamel: No Not, not, not generally no. But they are capable, yeach. If someone tries to lead them, to lead them or something or other they can…Shri Mataji: Like we had…Djamel: Organizing of so many coup d’Etats, you see.Shri Mataji: [To someone else] But dhal has salt quite a lot, tell them. So if you mix it up with dhal, you need not have salt. Something like “Anand Marg” we had in India?Djamel: But nobody, in Algeria, nobody really likes the Iranians anymore.Shri Mataji: Ah?Djamel: They don’t like this Ayatollah anymore.Shri Mataji: I think so…Djamel: They think…Shri Mataji: I mean they have really insulted God!Djamel: I mean… He thinks God is only for the Muslims, you know. Shri Mataji: Oh look at our Pakistanis. You know Americans always supported Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis against India. Americans always have a speciality of always supporting wrong people.[Laughter]Then they withdraw, but always I don’t know why they do it.Djamel: Mother, you see why, because the Muslims usually are against the Russians you see, so they like the Muslims. But then you see, ? Vietnam? did not work out.Shri Mataji: Ah.Djamel: You see Communism supposed to stand for atheism.Shri Mataji: Acha.No, it’s a very generalized way of saying, that, because they are Muslims, they will be against Russians or they will be for Russians for Americans.Sahaja Yogi: The majority are against the Russians because they…I mean they’re against…’cause when You were saying…Shri Mataji: Because they don’t believe in religion.Sahaja Yogi: Yea…Whenever someone says “Communism,” automatically its…Sahaja Yogini: Atheism…yea.Shri Mataji: But, against India, they have been always. Americans have been very much against India, and against favoring these two countries in the international fields. Even Ceylon…Sahaja Yogi: Will be supporting…Shri Mataji: Even Ceylon, you know. They created all enemies for India to deal with. If fearing God, fearing people are to be supported, then Indians are very God-fearing.Americans are not. Sahaja Yogini [Italian]: Mother, can we use some of that salt for our food?Shri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogini: Can we use some of that salt?Shri Mataji: Nicely made. Eh?Sahaja Yogini: Yeach.Shri Mataji: They wrote down they whole thing. Sahaja Yogi [French]: It’s the first puja where we sing something properly Mother.Shri Mataji: Hm?Sahaja Yogi2: It was the first puja here where we sung something properly.Shri Mataji: Gavin practices. I was so enamored and so much, I must say very pleasantly surprised, the way you sung the Marathi aarti. How did you get it? I’m just…Sahaja Yogini: When we were in India we got it.Shri Mataji: Aacha.Gavin: We also had a tape, so we checked.Shri Mataji: Good. What about these Maharashtrian ladies. Have they gone? Or they are there?Sahaja Yogi: Yea they wereShri Mataji: Ha?Sahaja Yogi: No, they at the back Mother.Shri Mataji: They have brought something [...Mother converses briefly in Marathi with those at the back...] Every body should have something to eat.Nabhi is very much vibrating. Lower Nabhi.Kuli, some water for Me, to drink. Water. Sahaja Yogi: Mother. How can we help people who are born Realized, who meditate with the photograph but cannot feel the vibrations.Shri Mataji: Can’t feel?Sahaja Yogi: Can’t feel the cool breeze.Shri Mataji: How do you say he’s born Realized.Sahaja Yogi: feel cool from on the palm from there.Shri Mataji: Ha?Sahaja Yogi: I feel cool on the palms from this person.Shri Mataji: But he doesn’t. If he doesn’t accept Me, he cannot feel the cool breeze from Me.Sahaja Yogi [Scottish?]: This particular person has got the cool breeze, once or twice, the cool. Just feel it and then not very…Shri Mataji: That means he has to accept Me much more.Sahaja Yogi: Pardon?Shri Mataji: He has to accept Me. He has to accept Me much more.Sahaja Yogi: That may be the problem Mother, but this person hasn’t actually had the chance to meet You yet.Shri Mataji: If that’s all, then he will get it when he’ll meet Me.Sahaja Yogi: I mean he’s vegetarian. Shri Mataji: You see, when he’ll meet Me, he has to accept Me. If he doesn’t accept Me he cannot get cool breeze. Deities know. Deities know about it.I’ll tell you a simple example: We had a visitor in our house, his name wa, what was it? “Shaha.” What was his name, Mukud? Your friend.Sahaja Yogi: MukunchaShri Mataji: Mukuncha, Mukuncha. He had his Realization and everything, he was a Sahaj Yogi, came to see Me but I was having My bath. So he went upstairs and this Ganesha was kept there. And he started feeling his own vibrations, he never got any vibrations, nothing. He was surprised, he got a shock. He thought that “what has happened” has he lost all his vibrations? And Ganesha would not give any vibrations to him.So he came down, I’d finished My bath, he said, “Mother, I don’t know. What is what I did,” He didn’t even touch My feet he was so frightened. “I’ve lost my vibrations; I can’t feel any vibrations from Ganesha!” I said ‘Really?” He said “Yes.” I said “You touch My feet and now go and see.” He touched My feet; he went up, and the vibrations were alright. I said “He knows Me. You must touch My feet first otherwise He’s not going to give you vibrations too.” Sahaja Yogi: This person now I was talking about Mother, lives in Scotland, quite a long way off – so it’s difficult. But they, they not well-off. They’re on social security. So, this person can’t come down to see you.Shri Mataji: I’ll go to Glasgow, some day. And tell him to accept Me, more and more. Then his conditions will improve. Why is he on social security?Sahaja Yogi: It’s a lady, and her husbands on social security. He’s deaf and it’s difficult for him to get a job in Scotland.Shri Mataji: Haven’t they got a job? They should try for a job. Also social security people don’t get vibrations. Very true. You see, you are not to be parasite on your society.Yogi: He’s not a parasite Mother. He trying to get jobs there. But, because of his infirmity, his deafness.Shri Mataji: No once in a while is alright if you…but you must be trying for a job, I mean he shouldn’t like that kind of a life. Alright? So you tell him both the things, that "You must find out a good job for yourself", as well as – in this country is not difficult to make money, really not too difficult.Sahaja Yogi: It is in Scotland, it’s more difficult than it is here, Mother.Shri Mataji: No, I mean –Sahaja Yogi: …shortage of jobs there. Specially for people…Shri Mataji: Even if you do baby-sitting, you can make money here. You can. You see if you want to live on…because of the social thing you have got it, you depend on it.Sahaja Yogi: I’ll tell them Mother to do about itShri Mataji: But don’t tell him like that, he’ll feel hurt. You just tell him that “Mataji was saying ‘you should try to accept Me more’ and I’ll get him a job also.” He will find his job.(Can I wash, wipe My hands)Sahaja Yogi: Actually, it’s the wife who was meditating, and her husband I think is born Realized too, but, he doesn’t meditate regularly. But he’s got the cool breeze.Shri Mataji: Oh I see. He’ll come round, don’t you worry. What’s his name?Sahaja Yogi: The husband’s name is Tom.Shri Mataji: Tom.Sahaja Yogi: The wife is Jetta.Shri Mataji: What’s it?Sahaja Yogi: The wife is Jetta.Shri Mataji: Jetta. Alright. You see they have to accept Me, that’s the only thing is. Many people, They get vibrations, say, from Gavin, but not from Me. There are some like that! Kuli: Sorry, Mataji?Shri Mataji: Hum.Kuli: I said to one man, “see if you can feel the vibrations from this photograph?” you see? He said “No, I don’t believe in photographs.” So as a joke, then I said to him, see if you can feel them from Me?” He was willing to that, but he wasn’t willing to put his hands to the photograph.Shri Mataji: See! He, Gavi, he’s telling us a concrete result. He’s saying that there was someone whom he said that “Why don’t you see your vibrations from the photograph ? If you get the vibrations.” Then he said “I don’t believe in photographs, I’ll not feel it.” So he said “Alright, you put your hands towards me if you get the cool breeze. He put his hands to Kuli but he would not put to the photograph. Though Kuli would put his hands but he would not.Kuli: You know I said to him “I got it from the photograph,” and he wouldn’t put his hands to the photograph.Shri Mataji [laughing]: Typical. We have another one in India. Like Rajesh. He has got two sister-in-laws and they said that “we feel cool breeze from you, but not from [the photograph] … H. H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Guru Puja, "The Declaration of Shri Mataji". Dollis Hill ashram, London, England. 2 December 1979. A month back, I told Rustom that, "You must have a puja arranged, this Sunday. It’s a full moon day". And he asked Me, "What should you call it? Is it a Guru Puja? Or is it a Puja for Mahalaxmi, or Ganesha’s Puja?" So, I told him, "Call it a Guru Puja". And he asked Me later on, much later, when I was going to India, that, "Why not also have the Christmas Puja over here?" Today is a very, important day. Because, long time back, when Christ was just a child, He read from the Scriptures, and declared to the multitudes, that He was the Advent – the incarnation, who is the Savior. They believed that a Savior is going to come. Today, long time back, on a Sunday, He said, He declared that He was the Savior. That’s why today is the Advent Sunday. He had to live for a very, very short time. So, at a very young age He had to declare that He was the Advent. Now it is remarkable to see, that before this, no incarnation said publicly, that, they were incarnations. Rama of course, had forgotten that He was an incarnation. In a way, He made Himself to forget, played His maya upon Himself to become a complete human being – Maryada Purushottama. And Shri Krishna also only told, one person Arjuna, just before he was to start the war. Abraham never said that He was the incarnation, though He was the incarnation of Primordial Master. Dattatreya Himself never said that He was the incarnation of the Primordial Master. With all these three forces, acting through innocence, came on this earth to guide, Moses never said that… though they knew He was great, He had overpowered Nature, but He never said that He was the incarnation. At the time of Christ, one felt it was necessary to say otherwise people won’t understand. If at that time they had recognized Christ, there would have been no problem. But still, human beings had to evolve, further. Somebody had to cross the Agnya Chakra in the Virata, to go through that door. That’s why Christ came on this Earth. It is most surprising, that in this tree of Life, when the roots give out the shoot, and the shoot gives out the branches, and the branches give out the leaves, and the flowers also blossom out of the same tree, those who know the roots do not want to know the shoot, those who know the shoot do not want to recognize the flowers. This is typical human nature.I never said about Myself. Because, it was felt, that human beings have now achieved another dimension of ego. Even worse, than at the time of Christ. May you blame anything, you can call it Industrial Revolution because you were away from nature, or whatever you may call it. But human beings had lost all contact, with reality. They were identified with artificiality, and to accept such a great reality is going to be impossible for them, that’s why I never said a word about Myself -,till of course some of the saints, told about Me, some of the possessed people also told about Me; and also people started wondering, that how the most difficult thing of Kundalini awakening takes place, with that speed in the presence of “Mataji”. There was a temple in India and nobody knew about it, but they found that the ships which went near a particular spot, were drawn towards the shore. And it was difficult to ply them back and they had to put double force to take out of that attraction, and they did not know that there was some thing that was acting. They thought there was something wrong, with the depth of the sea. But, invariably it happened to many ships. Then they wanted to find out, after all what is happening to those ships, why all the ships suddenly start getting attracted towards the shore So they tried to find out, and when they went into the jungles they found a big temple, and on top of the temple was kept a huge mass of magnet. So, through rational understanding, people reached the point that Mataji has to be something exceptional, because, nowhere in the scriptures, [it's not] written down anywhere, that such an incarnation came on this Earth – whose mere glance, even thought, can raise the Kundalini. Many saints, who are away from the madding crowd, sitting in the jungles, on the Himalayas, all know about it. Because their awareness is at a point, where they understand. They understand much more than you do, because you are still children, newly born. They are grown up. But today is the day, I declare that I am the One who has to save the humanity. I declare I am the One who is Adi Shakti, who is the Mother of all the Mothers, who is the Primordial Mother, the Shakti, the Desire of God, who has incarnated on this Earth to give its meaning to itself, to this creation, to human beings, and I’m sure through my love and patience and my powers, I am going to achieve it.I was the One who was born again and again, but now in my complete form and complete powers, I have come on this Earth, not only for salvation of human beings, not only for their emancipation, but for granting them the Kingdom of Heaven, the joy, the bliss, that your Father wants to bestow upon you. These words are to be kept within the bounds of Sahaja Yogis only, for the time being. And today is the day of Guru Puja, not my puja, but your puja as gurus. I anoint all of you as gurus. And today I will tell you what I have bestowed upon you and what great powers you already have within you. Among you, there are people who are still not been able to recognize. My announcement will work it out within them the recognition. Without recognition, you cannot see the play. Without play, you cannot have confidence within yourself. Without confidence, you cannot become guru. Without becoming guru, you cannot help others, and without helping others you are not going to be in any way happy. So, to break the chain, is very easy. But to build the chain, one after another, is what you have to do. This is what you were all wanting to be. So, be confident, and be joyous, and be happy that all my powers will protect you, my Love will nourish you, and my nature will fill you with peace and joy.May God Bless You. [the following was transcribed from an Mp3 recording of a tape in India] Now I would like to give the books first of all. And then I’ll… about what you have got already within you. All weeping and crying should be over now. You have to wipe out the tears of others. Get out of your small shells and little problems, here and there.First book, Kuli, can you give Me.[inaudible words]Where is the pen?Yogi: …want a pen Mother?Shri Mataji: I would like to write in Devalipi, because it’s a mantra, isn’t it? It has to be written in Devalipi your names, would be better than in English, though utility-wise English would be better, but from, from Sahaj Yoga point of view, I think, if I write in Devalipi it would be better and you will know it is your name.So the first book. “Advent!” – by which we declare, the advent of your Mother, your own, very own Mother. Today, I would like to give to Gregoire, who has really worked very hard to write this book, and, I have tortured his life… and also Gavin, Jane, who have helped him such a lot, and Maureen who has helped him to type and read My funny handwriting which had mutilated all previous writings of Gregoire [Mother chuckles]. We have had a very nice time together, and now the book is ready. We should also be very thankful to Indian Sahaja Yogis, for giving all their assistance, to Gregoire, for the publication of this book. They have given the money and all the assistance. There are so many people who are to be thanked, but actually this is your own book. And the most important person whom you should thank is [unclear: WULEE?], or, Tony as you call him, because, he has taken the photograph, which turned out to be the best among all. He’s not a photographer, by chance he had taken a photograph, it’s such a sahaja photograph. And everybody said that this photograph should be… there. And everybody, not feeling jealous of anyone, have very sensibly behaved that the book should come out; and the involvement that everyone had; and they all helped…Even the coming of book was so sahaja, that, first it would not come. It has come at a time when we needed it the most: it should not have come earlier, because we wanted advent date for this book. And, the coming of it was that, the ship people told Me that the books have arrived… and you have to collect the books, and we have to take all… customs clearance and all that. But then they told Me that surprisingly, the customs people did not ask anything; they did not even open the boxes; they didn’t want to know anything what was inside. They were all quite surprised. Normally, even if you say books they open it and see for themselves whether there are books or not, maybe something else coming in. And there was a niece of mine, who was there, who telephoned to us – that also spontaneously – and I told her such books are lying with such people, and just they arrived – it was that simple. And they t…[Mp3 no.1 sound cuts off] [Mp3 no.2:]Should I write it here, or here Gregoire?. Here would…This is the cover, I would like – just show them – to give to Gregoire, just show round, with the peacocks. Peacock is the… is the vahana of Saraswati.Actually it is kept the other way round, you see?Sahaja Yogi[softly]: I think…Shri Mataji: Beg pardon, what is it?Sahaja Yogi: [CHRIS?] was trying to explain what Shri Kartikeya was like.Other Sahaja Yogi: He was just like Gregoire. [laughter].Shri Mataji: Actually books are always done this way, you know? You can do it on the ground would be better. This way, and then is covered like that, you see? It’s always books are done.Sahaja Yogi: Mother this way?Shri Mataji: It’s on this way it comes up. See? So, they are kept. Hm, I think then they go round. Ya and, this is brought in… that side.. this way, and the pin must be put here or some sort of a thing. Actually they have a ribbon with it, attached, when they tie it up the book like that. This is called as grantha, you see, the one which is tied, grantha.All these books must be kept, tied in a proper cloth, in this way. And before opening the book you must wash your hands – properly. It should not be kept in every place you feel like: must be kept in proper places. And the due protocol of the book must be kept. It is very important.Which are the names? Which are the people?Rustom: Gavin, your copy.Shri Mataji: What is it?Sahaja Yogi: We had to copy the [...indistinct]Shri Mataji: Alright. So to Jane, to… second to Rustom…Rustom [interupting]: …WalterShri Mataji: Ah? [pause] This is the Guru Puja, I’m doing. [pause] Jane? There you go. Now I’m doing your one.I’ll use it.All of you must have your individual copies. That is very important. And as everybody has different vibrations, it must be treated with the same understanding that, you all should have your individual thing with you.[Mother writes the names of all the Yogis in Devnagari in their copies of the books]Let Me just finish the work, alright?So now… Tony? What should I write? Tony or Kuli?Tony: TonyShri Mataji: What’s your real name?Tony: AntonacisShri Mataji: Anthony. Anthony. Anth…?Tony: AntonacisShri Mataji: Anta….Tony: An-to-na-cisShri Mataji: Antonacis. -nakir, “r” is there? Nakir?Tony: Ess. NakisShri Mataji: N-a-k-i-s. AntonakisSahaja Yogini: that means live [LAND UPON?...unclear]Shri Mataji: Yes I knew you had another… An…to…naa…kis, nakis.Tony: Anto…Shri Mataji: AntonakisTony: Yes MamRustom: N, A, I…Shri Mataji: N, A, I, NaikisTony: No. An-to-na-kisMaria: N, A, K, I, S.Shri Mataji: Oh. AntonakisSahaja Yogi: AntonakisSahaja Yogi: So at last we got the truth here. [laughter]Shri Mataji: Keece or KissTony: KisShri Mataji: tokis. [long pause] Now, you must know the meanings of this:“To My beloved son AntonakisWith loveMy blessingsMa NirmalaNow, who else? Tell Me the names now.Sahaja Yogi: Barbara.Shri Mataji: and Mark [long pause] May God bless you. Now. Maria. That’s your real name, Maria? Full name?Maria: And the only one.Shri Mataji: Only Maria. [pause] Go sit down. May God bless you.Sahaja Yogi: David SpiroShri Mataji: David Spiro. [pause] [Mother asks in Hindi about the Surname being "Spiral?"]Rustom: Spi-roShri Mataji [while writing]: Spi-ro. Spiro. [pause] May God bless youRustom: Malcolm Mother. Malcolm.Shri Mataji: Malcolm. Ma-la-komRustom: Mal-komShri Mataji: Malkom. [pause]Rustom: PatriciaShri Mataji: May God bless you. Patreeshia, PatriciaRustom: PatriciaShri Mataji: PatrisiaRustom: Pa’triciaShri Mataji: Ta?Rustom: TaShri Mataji: Patrisia, Patrisia.Sahaja Yogini [softly]: C, I, A.Shri Mataji: But it is TRa [rolled "R"] or Tra [soft "r"]Rustom: Its TRaShri Mataji: Tee – Are – but you see in Hindi we have two.Rustom: TraShri Mataji: PatRi, PatRisia, is correct? Patrici… Patricia, Patricia. [long pause] May God bless you.Rustom: Hester.Shri Mataji: Hm? Hester. It is… Hes-sta?Rustom: Hester.Sahaja Yogi: HestaShri Mataji: HestaaSahaja Yogi: Hesta. With an “a” no “r”.Shri Mataji: HestaSahaja Yogi: H, E S, T A.Shri Mataji: Tee. Ha?Sahaja Yogi: AShri Mataji: “T” Hesta,Sahaja Yogi: Hesta.Rustom: Short “A.”Shri Mataji: Hesta. [pause]. Hesta, May God bless you.May God bless you. Now. Sahaja Yogi: Harry.Shri Mataji: hm?Sahaja Yogi: Harry.Rustom: Hare, is your name, ha?Shri Mataji: HariRustom: HareYogi: Hari?Hari: Hari JairamShri Mataji: Hari Jairam [long pause] May God bless you.Rustom: You, Peter.Shri Mataji: P, E, T, E, R. [Hindi regarding pronunciation of Peter's name] [pause]May God bless you. Rustom: Felicity.Shri Mataji: Felicity.Rustom: [Hindi] Usko apta hai Ma.Shri Mataji: May God bless you.Rustom: Philip… PhilipPhilip: Spelt with one ell.Shri Mataji: You have…?Philip: Spelt with one ell.Shri Mataji: What’s he say?Rustom: [Hindi: about the spelling]Shri Mataji: Philip.Rustom: Philip.Philip: P, H, I, L, I, P.Shri Mataji: Philip. [pause] You can put some Music.Rustom: Oh. Malcolm? Music.Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Hm?Rustom: Allan.Shri Mataji: Allan.Sahaja Yogis [recite mantras]: Mahasaraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika, Adi Kundalini Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Ganeshaya Namaha…Keshavaya……Matavaya……G ovindaya……Vaishnave……Madhuswadhanaya……Trivikramaya……Wavanaya……Shridharaya……Rishikeshaya……Padmanabhaya…… Damodharaya……Sankarshanaya……Vasudevaya……Pradyomnaya……Anirudhaya……Purushottamaya……Adokshajaya……Narasimh aya……Achyutaya……Janardanaya……Upendraya……Haraye……Krishnaya……Virataya…Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh NamahI’ll say the names of all the deities of the Kundalini.Shri Mataji: Now you pay attention to those deities within your Kundalini. You can sit down. And just pay attention: you know where are the… which are the deities on what chakras are.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Ganeshaya Namaha…Nirmalgauri kundalini mataya……Saraswatibrahmadevaya……Hasratali Fatima mataya……Adigurudattatreyaya……Abraham……Moses……Zaratustraya……Mohammed Sahibaya……Confuciusaya……Laotzeaya……Sainathaya……Raja Janakaya……GuruNanakaya……Socrates……Avidut Adiraataya……Lakshmi Narayana……Gruhalakshmishaktimataya……Durga-jagadamba-mataya……Shiva-parvatimataya……Karuna rasa sagaraya……Daya sagaraya……Kshama shrayini……Atman paramatman……Kshetragnya……Sitarama maryada purushottamaya……Vishnugranthi vibhedini shakti mataya……Radha Krishna purnavataraya……Yeshoda Rukmini vithalaya……Vishnumaya……Lalita chakra swaminishakti……Shri chakra swaminishakti……Virataya viratanganaya……Hamsa chakra swaminishakti……Pranavaya……Omkaaraya……Kartikeyaya……Mahaganeshaya……Mahaviraya……Gautambuddhaya……Swaprakash aya mary and jesus……Mahakali Shakti bhairavaya……Mahashankaraya……Mahasaraswati Shakti hanumantaya……Mahabrahmadevaya……Mahalakshmi Shakti mahavishnuve……Ekadashaya Shakti rudraya……Rudra granthi vibhedini Shakti mataya……Sahasrara swamini moksha [pra]dayini nishkalankaya mahamaya Mataji Shri Nirmala devi……Ardabindu Shakti mataya……Bindu Shakti mataya……Valaya Shakti mataya……Sadashiva adishakti mataya……Parambrahman…Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Shri Mataji: You did not say Vishnu mantra.Rustom: I said [unclear]Shri Mataji: You said Mahavishnu….it’s alright. When you say Vishnu Shesha also you can say where the Nabhi is then say Vishnu Lakshmi and Surya Chandra. See they are also chakras, Surya Chandra. So the Ida Pingala Nadi Shakti you can also say, so that [unclear] …it now…[unclear].Rustom: Om twam sakshat Shri Lakshmi Narayana Sheshaya Namaha…Surya Chakra Swamini Shakti……Chandra Chakra Swamini Shakti…Shri Mataji: See? How it’s… [unclear] You see? You can say Chandra Mandal Madhyastha. Surya Mandal Madyastha. Means this superego and supraego.Rustom: In the… they say Bhanu Mandal MadhyasthaShri Mataji: hm. Bhanu Mandal…Rustom: OK. Om twameva sakshat Shri Chandra Mandala Madhyasthaya NamahaOm twam sakshat shri bhanu Mandala Madyasthaya namahaShri Mataji: [Hindi about Ida and Pingala] Ida and Pingala bolo.Rustom: Om twameva sakshat Shri Ida Nadi Swamini Shakti NamahaOm twam sakshat Shri Pingala Nadi swamini Shakti NamahaShri Mataji: Sushumna Nadi.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Sushumna Nadi Swamini Shakti Namaha.Shri Mataji: That’s better. [inaudible] Much better now?Rustom: There’s also Sarva Ida Granthi Vibhedini Shakti.Shri Mataji: Oh. Ida Granthi Vibhedini is good.Rustom: Om twameva sakshat shri Sarva Ida Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Mataya NamahaShri Mataji: hm.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Sarva Pingala Nadi Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Namaha.Shri Mataji: hm.Rustom: Om twam sakshat shri Sarva Sahasrara [sic] Granthi Vibhedini Shakti NamahaShri Mataji: Sushumna NadiRustom: Om twameva sakshat shri Sarva Sushumna Granthi Vibhedini Shakti Namaha.Om Shri Mahaganapataye Namaha, Shri Saraswati Mataya…Shri Mataji: …Now before doing any puja, one has to do Ganapati Puja, because that is the first thing is holiness… is innocence. So we have to, first of all, establish our holiness within ourselves, before we do any worship… or the innocence within us. You have to worship our innocence within us. So all the cunningness, should be left… outside.Rustom: Om Shri Mahaganapataye NamahaShri Saraswati Mataya NamahaShri gurubhyo namahaVedpurushaya NamahaAishtadevataya NamahaKuladevata bhyo namaha[someone coughs]…eksthaanadevata bhyo namahaShachipuram dharabhyam namahaKalka parashurame Bhyo namahaMatru pritru byam namahaAdityadi nava graha devta bhyo namahaSarve bhyo deve bhyo namahaSarve bhyo brahmane bhyo namahaEtat karan pradam devata bhyo namahaAvi ghanam astu…Shri Mataji: You’re not registering. Can you make it loud speaker? …the loudspeaker. You see because you can’t make…[unclear] You see?Rustom: [Hindi] I’ll put it in here. It’s ok I’ll put it in my lap.Shri Ma Bhagavato, Mahapurushasya, Vishnu Agnya Parvartam Mansya Adi Brahmano Dvitiya Parabe Vishnu Pade, Shri Shwetvarakalpe Vayvaswat Manvantare Englandeshe, Europekhande, Londonnagare, Thamesnadiye, Uttaratire Kaliyuge Kalipratamcharine, Ash…Shri Mataji: Listen to it carefully, now…Rustom: Ashtavinsha…Shri Mataji:…See now see now what is it. It is localizing the point, you see? Now, now say again. Carefully.Rustom: Kalki Avatare, shalivahan shake. vaganvartamane, anand twam sarvantsare…Shri Mataji: SavatsareRustom: Sarvantsare. Hema rutu… Don’t know what Mase, Mataji, can’t find that.Shri Mataji: Mase is… [Marathi question: Kun sa Mase wa?][yogi answers in Marathi]Shri Mataji: [Marathi: BHAIDRABAD?]Rustom: BhadramaseMarathi Yogi: [MAAG, MAAG..unclear].Shri Mataji: Hm? Maag.Rustom: Maag, Maagmase, shuklpaash…Shri Mataji: PaksheRustom: Pakshe. [Hindi meaning "Mother, what is the "Tita": KYA TITA MATAJI? KYA TITU? ]Shri Mataji: Ti tau ayes purnima.[Hindi meaning "the tita is Full Moon.]Rustom: [Hindi: meaning good/ok:] Acha. [Sanskrit:] Purnima titau… Madhu yavasare, Aadidya divas dhanuvaasare, nakshatre, vishnu yoge, vishnu…Shri Mataji: Kshatra, nakshatre ye to du.Rustom: Ah, pit dhanu bhaShri Mataji: Dhanu.Rustom: Dhanu, ah, dhanu, dhadu… ahShri Mataji: This is Sagittarius.Rustom: Sagittarius. Shri Mataji: See, we are putting the whole thing, where are we having the puja, you see? so you have to find the location and complete that in London, where the River Thames flows, and in the south…Rustom: In the north.Shri Mataji: Or, in the north of London, and then at this time. And… what is the era, and what is the month; what is the year; and what is the constellation, is Sagittarius. and what is the titi is the… today is the full moon day… Like that, you see the complete location is being said.Rustom: AchaShri Mataji: This is to, inform the Gods.Rustom: Vishnu yoge, vishnu karane, London-ashramastite, vertamam chandrastite, Shri Surya Stite, Devgura shesha, shivgrahe shivyatav ata rashishtaan-stite, shiv-satsu-evam guna visheshan na visheshtayam shubha punya titaau.Now we say… make a vow, so you have to repeat this after Me.Shri Mataji: Yes, you all have to repeat.Rustom: [after each name the Yogis repeat:] Mama… aatmana… sarvadharmaash… shastrakla… falapratyartang… aasmakang… sarveshang… sahajyogi-kutambanam… kshem… starya… vijaya… abhaya… ayu… arogya… aishwarya… abhivrudyatam… dwipada… chaturpad… sahitanang… … shantyartang… punyatang… pustyatang… tushtyatyang… samastha… mangalavapyade… samasta… abyudayartang… paramchaitanyang… prapyatang… samasta-sakal-sahajyoginam… baadas-shantyatang… eshtakamsam… siddhyatang… kalpuktafalang… aavapyatang… yatashaktya… yata-gyanang… yata-militog-chadravay… dhyaanavahang… madi-shokoktchar… pujam… karishye…[MP3 no.2 ends]What have you got and what are your powers?[Puja seems to be underway. Shri Mataji is talking with the yogis.]If you say the mantra “You are the Mahat Ahankara.” Mahat means the primordial, the big and Ahankara is the Ego. It goes out. Just say that.Sahaja Yogis: Om twameva sakshat, Shri Mahat Ahamkara Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bagavati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha.Shri Mataji: Receding back, hm?…Just settle down. Hm! Now receding, that’s much better.Sahaja Yogi: Where’s the Bowl the metal thing which was sent to be cleaned.Shri Mataji: Better? Still. Quite a lot.… We are talking of Christ. He’s the one who is sitting down there to control our ego. To dissolve it. Talking of Him. Christians have to be absolutely egoless if they think they are Christian. I mean those who follow Christ have to be egoless. Actually Sahaj Yogis are the real Jews are the real Christians are the real Hindus, are the real Muslims are the real Sikhs – because they’re not fanatics.Rustom: Nabhi’s releasing.Shri Mataji: Yes they are[Rustom discusses in Hindi with Shri Mataji about doing a Mahalakshmi Puja]Rustom: Gregoire do you want to do the Mahalakshmi Puja? Gregoire and Jane, Gavin, Tony.Shri Mataji: [... GO DO IT?] all of them.Sahaja Yogi: It’s [DEBRA?]Shri Mataji: Lets seeSahaja Yogi: Maureen?Rustom: All the people who did the book Mother, I thought I would get to do the PujaShri Mataji: No-no-no…[noise on microphone]… as it is you have got the book as well as the Puja. Those who have got the book should not [two words unclear] who haven’t got it should.Rustom: Not got it, but those who did the book Mother.Shri Mataji: Oh did the book is a good idea. That’s a better idea. Alright…. I mean: I thought those who got the book. Those who did the book must, who else is there?Various yogis: Maureen, Gregoire, TonyRustom: [Those are the people who did the book?] Who did the photograph?Shri Mataji: Come along Tony, come along comeSahaja Yogi: Ok Gregoire can you come along. [microphone moved]Rustom: Om, Shri Maha…Shri Mataji: What about your brother, Matt? [name not clear] He did the drawing.Various yogis: Yes I thought of him Mother. Is he here? Patt?[Rustom reads shlokas while Shri Mataji explains how to decorate kumkum on Her feet]Shri Mataji: Put a line here. Put a line. Then, beyond the line you paint the whole thing. Now. Get two more unmarried. Hesta where are you? Yes come along. Now you boys are to go away. Let them come. Then you see the married will have to come – five of them – for My sari. Alright? Come along.[Rustom continues.]Shri Mataji: You draw a line, first of all. Here. Now you draw a line and you don’t go beyond that line. No no not. But with one finger,one finger. Now you can use another finger.[Shloka comes to an end followed by 5 min of quiet while Mother's feet are decorated]Shri Mataji: Yes. It’s alright. Doesn’t have to look… Because we are going to put something now. Give one to them. …two sides it has got… That is mangalsutra. [necklace symbolic of a married lady] somebody, some married lady has to do thatRustom: JaneShri Mataji: Jane.You can open it. [referring to toe-ring]Rustom: Margy you can open it, its just pressed apart. Pat. Ask Pat for the Garland. Shri Mataji: You should, pull it down further with that finger. [3 words inaudible] This should be in front. You should see the thing coming… you see the ruby should come on this finger, it’s a double-sided one. That’s correct. Now this one, little down, press it a little.Rustom: [unclear]Shri Mataji: Call somebody who’s married. Sahndya, you can come along. Married women.[Marathi words]Sahaja Yogi: [inaudible]…hands…?Shri Mataji: Hands? Married women will do My hands.[Marathi]Ya. Come along, come here.[Marathi]Like that.[Marathi/Hindi]Rustom: Towel. Pass me the towel. [Hindi]Shri Mataji: [Marathi] You know how to do Swastik? [Marathi, directions for decoration of Hands] You see beyond this line, you have to put it on. With the right hand, with the right hand. All through. [Marathi] You draw the line like this Maria. Correct, now, you complete, you see, on the sides also. No-no: sides of the fingers.Rustom: You see the whole finger must be red. So that no white can show up.Shri Mataji: White, the white side of the finger. Backside. Frontside. Hm! See, how it’s improving, see? [Marathi] Good. Thank you. Like this [3 unclear words]. Is alright. Now. [Marathi]Peggy? You come here. One more married lady is wanted. Peggy has to be there. Peggy come here. Six and seven? Yes come along. Pam is married too. How many here? You can put two and let Me also have two. Mary? Come along. Come, come, come. You have to put them together otherwise they’ll break there.Sahaja Yogini: Put three?Shri Mataji: Yes, in My hands.Rustom: Just put one on each.Shri Mataji: Press My hand. Good. Now, you sit down here. Yes. Put [unclear] red on My feet. Right? Come along, put some red one My feet. Right hand. With all your fingers, all your fingers, come now. Good. Rub it here. Now on… [unclear]… Better now? Both the hands.Sahaja Yogini: Both the hands?Shri Mataji: Yes. Good. May God Bless You. Is good. Come along. Both the hands. [unclear, sounds like YOU TWINKLE?] your fingers. Now. Half the [unclear]. [DO?] you make the line again. You see you are [CROSSING?] make the line. That’s it. Stick to the line. Alright. It’s good now. Now do this one, also. Take out, alright.Feeling better now? Leave it here. Now, let’s see. Little hot. Hm?Keep the line Hm? Alright. It’s better now! Hard, rub it hard, very hard. Rub it very hard with your hands like that.How are you now. Alright. Keep the line now. This line must be re-[FORMED or DRAWN]. Alright, now, this one.… Now everybody could not come, doesn’t matter, for everyone they are doing it. You must think it’s a symbolic thing, alright? So you do not differentiate. See if I touch something by My finger, I don’t say I touch it by finger, I say I touch it. Understand that? That’s how it is. ‘Cause everybody cannot do it: you need too much time. Now. Done. [HINDI WORDS] The girls who are left will just come along. All the girls first of all.Rustom: Kumkum acha hoon [is the kumkum alright?]Shri Mataji: [Hindi words] All the girls who are left, Felicity and others also. Anna come along. Come along Anna, you come along. All those who didn’t may go. Yes now, let them come along now. Those who have been here, come along all of you. Let them give one by one?Rustom: Kumkum? Kumkum isn’t there. I’ll…Shri Mataji: Take this, in your hand, alright? Now. You’ll give Me, out of…Rustom etc: [Hindi]Shri Mataji: For the lower portion…No, no, kumkum itselfRustom: Where’s kajal. But kumkum we have Mataji.Shri Mataji: Where it is?Sahaja Yogi & yogini: There, somewhere there.Shri Mataji: All here. [NAY?] there must be the lower portion of this also, that has got kumkum.[soft talking. Shri Mataji directs the decorations of Kumkum & Kajal. Someone takes some Photos. Turmeric/Haldi is requested. ]Shri Mataji: Put on the right hand only on the right hand……You have again gone to the previous condition. Get over it. It’s nothing serious. Is very simple. Now. Alright?…[Marathi]Let him go and get the books now. How many more?Rustom: We shall need at least another thirty.Sahaja Yogi: At least…Shri Mataji: Bring the box, I think.Sahaja Yogi: Eleven books hereShri Mataji: If you take Marcus, take… bring the book….[UNCLEAR] he will take them back. Marcus, if you go with him you can bring it, but bring it fast, you see?Marcus: Thank you, Mother.[Marathi][END OF TAPE 1 SIDE A][TAPE 1 SIDE 2][Yogis sing Aarati Nirmala Mata, Saba Ko Dua, Maha Mantras (spoken), Lords Prayer, Allah Hu Akbar (x16)][microphone is moved]…[OKIST AND?] everybody had such terrible colds, that I also got a little bit of it. So, that’s one thing, and, if you want I can write it down for you and you can copy it. So “how to cure colds and prevent colds [NEXT TIME or THAT'S...unclear]Rustom: We can tape it Mataji.Shri Mataji: I would say better to take [THEM AND BE COMFORTABLE?], alright?So the thing that I want you really to know is what you have got and what are your powers, that is much more important. Now (has he come back, Peter? Not yet. [Hindi question to Rustom][noise on mike]…talk about it? Should I tell you? Now, Alright?Sahaja Yogi: [unclear] [THE BEST KIND OF TECHNOLOGY?]Shri Mataji: You can tape this. Sit-down sit-down sit-down sit-down sit-down. Ha. Mm.The other day I told you about shambhavopaya and nishaktopaya. These are two methods of… [cleansing people?]. One is by which you cleanse people -,very few of them – you take a handful of them and go on cleansing them, so their chitta is completely cleansed, all their five elements are cleansed and… then the Kundalini is raised and people get realization. That’s called as Shambhavopaya, in which …your personality is cleansed out completely. Another is Shaktopaya, I said where there is Shakti, which, makes your Kundalini rise, whatever may be the situation, and then looks after the cleansing. So, in our Sahaja Yoga, we have used the second part because there is no time left for Shambhavopaya. There it would be impossible to do it. So in Shaktopaya, normally people… what we do is Shaktipath, is to make their power, that is Shakti, to fall upon another one, like the reflection. Or, as we say, ‘the light is falling on us.’ So, they let their power, or their Kundalini’s power, fall on to the power of other’s Kundalini and then gradually raise it. But for that, human beings as they are, they have their very laborious methods, for that also. Is that theyfirst, they will choose your, what is the problem of Kundalini. So, they’ll go through all your history, find out what sort of parents you have had and this and that, what kinds of dreams you have; they analyze you completely. And then also they find out what kind of diseases you could have had. For example, anybody who has got, say, eye’s trouble, or trouble with the nose, or trouble with the throat, or with the stomach and all kinds of things, are avoided. So you can imagine how many of us would fit into that category. And… then they would, also find out what sort of life they have led and what sort of parents they have got. Mostly, it was done also to people who, actually at a very young age, went to the Gurus and asked for this Shaakta thing – Nishaktipath. Now, because of Me, it has become very simple, as you know is the Shaktipath, that what you have to do now is Shaktipath, means, to throw your light onto others. ‘Shakti’ is power and ‘path’ means to make it fall. So, your Shakti can now fall onto anybody’s Kundalini and it can rise. Now, it was a very, very difficult thing. They said only person who is a ‘Veetaraga’, the one who has conquered all his ‘raaga’ – ‘raaga’ means any attachment – all the attachments – the one who has conquered. He’s without any attachment, he’s completely detached in life, can only do the Kundalini rising. So first of all, ‘Deeksha’ has to be given, is initiation. That you have already got. The day you came to Me you got the Deeksha. You do not realize, that… how it happens. Such a lot of things have happened to you, telescopically, that you do not realize how many things have happened to you. So, only for Deeksha, you see, a person is taxed quite a lot. I mean, you have to look after your Guru quite a lot, and you have to take some fruits and things like that. Money also some of these nonsensical people take, but that doesn’t matter, but even there is, some ‘Dakshina’ has to be given, because, see, Guru has to be looked after by the ‘Chelas’.The Guru is after all, is not at all attached to your wealth or to anything that you give. But it is the duty of the Shishyas [disciples] to look after the Guru, and that’s why a little money is also… was to be given, to a Guru. I mean, of course they are now misusing the whole stuff, because the Guru has to live somewhere; he has to have a house and, all these things. So a little money was also given, called as Dakshina. The whole thing is now so misinterpreted and has been taken to such a nonsensical limit, that people are just making it an enterprise. But the Guru had to be something, of that level, who would raise the Kundalini. And that Guru was ‘Veetaraga’, means the one who is, lost all attachment of the world – absolutely unattached. Who’s chitta has been cleared so much, that there is no greed left in him, there is no temptation left in him. There is only forgiveness in the person. Such a person was regarded as a ‘Veetaraga’, and when such a person, raised the Kundalini he could. Only Kundalini could be commanded by only such rare people. So, first of all, you have got the diksha [initiation] of a Guru without any introduction. So, the diksha you have got. You have got the maha diksha also. First is the diksha. Then, what is the maha diksha? The second maha diksha is that you are given a mantra, only one name is given, otherwise, normally. But this mantra is also to be taken out, because, the Guru, if he knows- I mean, these Gurus did not even know what chakras you are catching, just imagine! So, they used to consult your horoscope. “You have come at such and such time to me,” say, “today you have come to see me. Now what is your horoscope? So, what must be your trouble? Under what nakshatra – constellation - you were born? What was the name of your parents? Then, there’s a big science about it: they used to count from A-B-C-D like that, and reach a point where they would find the words. What is the second word, what is the third word, like that, and then they used to consult, it’s a big shastra [science]. And after consulting that they would find out what is the chakra catching in you. And then they would give you a name, “Alright, say Rama.” You go on saying “Rama, Rama”, till your right heart chakra is cured. This may take two years, three years, maybe two lives, maybe a hundred lives – you carry on with one mantra “Rama, Rama, Rama”, always. But this was to be done with all those consultations of your constellation and everything, your family, house, everything, and then to be brought to that point where the chakra is caught up.Now, supposing, your four chakras are caught up… [Yogini speaks in Marathi & Shri Mataji replies briefly in Marathi.] Because, you see, whatever is in the horoscope denotes what is the trouble you are having, isn’t it? Or what troubles you’ll be having – physical, only, to begin with. So, they would know through your Kundalee, means your horoscope, what was the trouble you are having. Supposing you are having a trouble in your stomach, so they would go round and round and round and found out one mantra for the stomach. Because, directly they cannot find out. Like the scientist, you see. Scientist, how they find out things? See, supposing you go to the doctor: he will take out your eyes, wash it nicely, put it back, say “eyes are alright.” Then he’ll take out your teeth, make artificial teeth, jam them in saying that your teeth were alright [Shri Mataji laughs]. He’ll take out your ears, fix up something new, artificial, say it’s alright, take out your heart, examine it, put another one there. It’s like this, you see in the same way they used to do it, because, they were groping in the dark. As you people know about chakras, they did not know what are the chakras catching. So, you can imagine, what a maha, maha, maha diksha you have got now.First is you have got a diksha; the day your Kundalini rises is the diksha. Then you get your Realization. This is out of question, they can never talk in one breath. You are kept hanging in the air, you see, all the time, upside down – just like bats in the night, you see? Then they would consult other things like, they would see what kinds of friends you keep, to what people you are attracted, so the temperaments they will see. From that also they will judge. May give you another mantra.So, these mantras you go on sitting and [for] hours together with them, all the time, reciting these mantras without paying attention to your other needs. And this was, when the mantra was achieved, they used to call it “All right. The mantra is ‘siddha’ [established] now for you.” Means now this mantra you can use for somebody else, means only Rama’s mantra you could use, just imagine! Now, what have you got it? You have got your Realization – alright. But Realization means you have got the complete knowledge as to what mantra is to be made for, any chakra whatsoever. You can coin your own mantras.Then you also have got the power to know all the chakras which are needing the help. You’ve got power to raise the Kundalini of other people. You have got power to fix the Kundalini onto Sahasrara if it is falling down. You’ve got power to cleanse the chakras of the other people and your own. You’ve got power to fix the chakras also by giving it a bandhan. You’ve got power to protect yourself from all negativity through your bandhan. You have got power, to direct your attention to any place by which you can know about anyone who needs your help.You have got power to feel the problem in the collective, also. Like, what’s wrong with London? Put your hands. What’s wrong with London? Like this, like this, Frank, never towards Me, dangerous.Rustom: Left Heart very strong.Shri Mataji: Left heart.Sahaja Yogini: Right Heart.Rustom: And Right Heart.Shri Mataji: And Right Heart, that way, everything, but minimum left heart.Sahaja Yogi: And Right Swadishthan.Shri Mataji: Right Swadishthan.Now, you’ve got a language which describes something. See, you’ve got the language to these seven, you said “left heart.” You have not hurt anyone by saying that. You Londoners are catching on left heart, means what? That means you are going against God. You are not interested in the Spirit, you are materialists. You are egoistical. You do not care for your Spirit. You are trying to harm your Spirit, you are drunkards. You are going to ruin yourself in drinking. But all this you don’t say. You just say: “Your left heart is catching” finished.[Laughter]You don’t even say that you should do any forgiveness and all that. You only just put your hand like this, and ask for the forgiveness of all the Londoners on the left heart. And they are forgiven and then they drink more and drink more and have a worse heart.[Laughter] So, all these powers you have got now is to raise the Kundalini and to remove the obstructions in the Kundalini. If there’s somebody’s Agnya Chakra would be caught up, the Guru would not remove his Agnya Chakra, fearing that his own Agnya Chakra would be caught up. So, they had to first do the mantras to be "siddha". "Siddha" means, the one which is proved now - effective. Your every mantra is effective. You take the name of the deity and your mantra is effective, it’s already Siddha. Like a bundle it has got everything into it, you open it and you get it.If somebody’s any chakra is catching and you just say the mantra and finished. And you have knowledge of all the mantras and you know what it is. And you have all the knowledge and it is so secret that others do not know. Even if you do not take the names, you just point at, everybody knows what’s the matter, where to go, what to say. So, though it is so much secret, it is so much understood between you. See the homogenous understanding between us is we know what is what. And then we do not feel bad about ourselves and about others. Though I say that your Mr. E-G-O is big, nobody hits Me back. At the time of Christ, it was impossible to take the name of E-G-O. Now you can say, and you can see also clearly your ego, your super-ego, your nonsense, this, that, everything you can see. Even if somebody, has the power, say is a born-realized person, he doesn’t know a word about how to raise the Kundalini. He cannot raise the Kundalini unless and until he has become a Sahaja Yogi! So those born-realized who think no end of themselves should know that they have to become Sahaja Yogis, otherwise they are not effective; they cannot be Kriyavati – they cannot go into action.So, all these things you have got within yourself, that you have the full knowledge. about the deities. You know why they get angry; what is the problem; by what sin they get angry. Only if I say, “Don’t Commit Sin”, finished. you’ll say, “What is a sin?” Then if you say that “don’t commit this,” but now it is not only that, but you try some tricks, and you’ll have it. There’s a… compulsory bandhan on you, of your Mother. If you try to drink, you’ll vomit. If you do anything wrong, your stomach will go out. If you try to avoid Sahaja Yoga, you’ll have to be there. Because, though you are not feeling it, you have felt, inside yourself, the charm of Sahaja Yoga.But, there is a group of people, still, who have been realized and who are not, yet there. Now what is the difference between the two is? Very simple – is the recognition. Those who have not recognized Me, will not be blessed. They’ll be going round and round and round. So it is necessary to recognize. Now there are some people, like… I’ll say, very good example is, Shirdi Sainath’s disciples are there. Now, he is no more. So they believe in him. Now where is he? They don’t want to believe in the present incarnation, they want to believe in something that is dead, they believe in Rama, they’ll believe in Christ. Most of the Christians have this problem. Even they will relate Me only to Christ. If I cannot relate Myself to Christ they cannot be in Sahaja Yoga. Or they’ll relate Me, only to Moses, or to someone like that. You have to live in the present, and you cannot conceptualize Me Your concepts are limited supposing you were born here. You would be Christian. But if you are born in India you would be a Hindu. If you are born in China, you would be Chinese, with your eyes like that. You could have been anything, so, when your misidentification starts working, immediately you know!…that you are misidentified, because vibrations will stop. So the group of people which are in between – the people, who are not yet settled down fully into Sahaja Yoga, who are not fully empowered, are the people who cannot recognize. And they feel very proud about it sometimes that “we cannot recognize.” It’s foolishness. Immediately your vibrations will start flowing as soon as you recognize. And the – such group of people, are the people who are coming from various sources of… we can say various sources of other Gurus and things like that.,Then there is a problem about them. And such people, when they come to Sahaja Yoga, they get their realization.I’m generosity I should say. They all get their realization whatever may be the case. Even the other day we had a prostitute there, she also got the Realization. And Sahaja Yoga also gives a very long rope. You do not lose your vibrations easily, if you get them properly. But what happens just after Sahaja Yoga: being the light, you start seeing all your defects within yourself. Then you want to deny Sahaja Yoga. Some people start getting tingling. Some people normally feel alright but in My presence they start shaking, or going into contortions. As soon as some people see Me, you have seen, that they become heated up; they get pain in the stomach – because, when you face the light you start facing yourself. And you do not want to face yourself. The main thing is those who are not yet steady in Sahaja Yoga, are not willing to face themselves. If they would face themselves they would correct themselves so fast, because there is light, you do not identify yourself with your defects. You are the doctor, you have the light and you operate. Also you know how to operate. If you just decide on this point that “I’m going to face myself, let me see who I am,” all these defects will run away.- but you do not want to face it. And that’s why those who get realization also don’t want to come to it. Those who also get cool breeze, they don’t think much of it. Because if they think much of it they have to give up their ego, with which they are identified all these years. Moreover they will have to see themselves. So, they say “No, I’m not better, I am tingling and this is happening, there are needle and pins in My body, and that is…, how can I be? It is not helping me. Sahaja Yoga is taking me backwards.” They’ll start blaming the Sahaja Yoga for it, instead of seeing to people who have improved.But whom are you blaming? You are blaming something that is going to save you. You are blaming your Savior. Is better to see your own problems, your own defects and come up. To be very kind to yourself is this: that…you get rid of all these serpents and scorpions and all those, other things that are hanging around and just become pure. And the light has come. In this light you should start seeing what is the truth. Then your misidentifications will drop out and your real identification will be established. Otherwise it cannot be done. You must learn to face yourself, never justify. Now some people have a habit of justifying even their son, or their brother, or wife or husband. You are not helping them by that. Then these negative people have a thing to go together. Always two negative will join together, to put up a show. I’m surprised we don’t even have any union here. See otherwise we can have “negative people’s union, against Mataji.” I mean you could be, facing like that. Because [YOU or THEY, not clear] always combine and, there is a big fraternity among negative people, big fraternity! Because, you have seen, that, those who are robbers, they always combine together. They are very friendly. They keep all the secrets. But two good people, if they combine, the whole world can be changed. So, you must understand that try to go to a person who is positive. Otherwise you cannot develop your Sahaja Yoga. Who talks negatively: you do not go near them. Now, in this country, there’s another group of people. Because you are going to be guru tomorrow, I am telling you all types. They do not want to face themselves, but there are many ways by which they avoid it. One of them is: as soon as they get Realization, they start analyzing it. You give them anything, they’ll analyze. I mean in this country, they think they can analyze everything! I don’t know from where did they get this idea. Maybe this… scientist or maybe these psychologist, must have – other intellectuals, so-called – they might have given this idea that you take everything, this-is-this-because-of-this. I mean you don’t even have your eyes opened. You are such little babies still. How can you analyze all these things? So, you start analyzing everything. Why this has happened, why that has happened! Once you start analyzing, you lose everything… Start talking about it, analyzing about it. What you have to do is to receive it, assimilate it, take it more and more. Expose yourself. Do not find faults, with Sahaja Yoga, but know that there are faults with you which can only be corrected through Sahaja love. There are people who even come on Me. “Why didn’t you do like this, Mother? Why didn’t you do like that?” I think I know My job very well. They try to teach Me also. “You should have done like this, you should have done like that.” Whichever way you do, if somebody is jack-in-the-box, he’ll always come up, because that’s the nature of the person. So you change that nature, “Remove your springs a little bit. Settle down.” And these spring are nothing but this analytical business. Such people you will meet many.So how to approach these people? What I have done about these analytical people, that is what you have to do with them. Now, listen very carefully. You give realization to somebody. Alright? And the person feels the cool breeze in the hand. Now he starts saying, “Now, so what! I feel, so what?” Now you tell him, that “you did not get them by thinking, did you? Or through analysis?” “No.” “You never had them before?” “No.” “Then you’ve got it now… Now what are these? You explain.” You cannot explain, so it is, something that has happened to you beyond your thinking power… Is a higher power than your thinking. You see, they… Thoughtless means they think he’s a mad cap. You see? If you talk thoughtless awareness, they think,… “Oh, that means you don’t think, means you are easily… primitive.” They think you are primitive if you do not think. It has happened through a power, which is much higher than you! By thinking what have you done? By thinking: you have cut your noses, cut your eyes, cut your hands, everything you have cut. And now you are going to have a big war. Wonderful thinking. So you tell them, “by thinking you never got it and this is some higher power.” Talk of higher things – that has given you this. So if you have to be in that higher power, this lower power of your thinking you put it down a little. That’s how they’ll come round. If you try to say, “oh don’t think,” they will say, “What? Don’t think means it is not even thinkable. I mean it is that useless!” And this is to tackle these people who are egoistical, and who think, and who would not even accept even if they get cool breeze. So gradually, you help them. Then for a guru, as you are now, you have all the knowledge, all the power and everything. But what we lack, is confidence… and we have inertia within us. I don’t know, how this inertia is going to get out. You know sometimes, people who are that inert, they also have a use, and they are put in the canons, you see, and blasted in a circus, so they can show their feats. They are so inert that nothing can disturb them. But, you are My children. I have made you after the image of Jesus Christ, of Shri Ganesh. All their powers are available to you. And this is one point I fail sometimes I don’t know, how to remove your inertia. Because, you have not practiced Sahaj Yoga. You have not gone into any practice. You got it very easily cheaply. You do not understand its value. So you just want to have as a side track, you know? You have to discipline yourself, unless and until you discipline yourself, I leave it to your freedom, because I have always believed in the freedom of My children, because I think they are not that low type, that I should put freedom on them as a, sort-of-a bar, that they should not use their freedom. You’re absolutely free. If you want to go to hell, I will give you a chariot, to go direct. But if you want to go to heaven, I’ll give you a vimana – an aeroplane, to go there. So it is for you people, to become dynamic, and to have confidence within you. You know every Chakras; you know every rising of the Kundalini you know everything. Take it upon yourself! Then a person who takes it upon himself, you see I…… I can be very angry with all of you. Very simple. But no I have to get the job done. I have to talk to you nicely I have to sometimes scold you, I have to ask you this way, that way, you know? Marinate you, sometimes, sometimes put little grease, sometimes do this do that, sometimes give some heat, sometimes cold. Manage them, somehow, bring them round, and treat them in such a way that they are there. In the same way you have to treat those people. Not to get angry with them – to get angry is the easiest way, you see. Then have no problems. Once I get angry with you all, I’ll have My own peace. No problem. But you have to be really very-very, patient with all of them. Extremely patient: your language… [virtually inaudible][long pause] “Please”, “I am sorry “. You have lots of words here, but I think they have lost their value. So we come to one point we must [PLEAD?] from our heart, We must feel from our hear that “We have to save this man. We have to help him.” Then sometimes you have to scold also, because you’ll find most of the negative people, will be the greatest, fussiest ever born; they’ll create the greatest scenes ever possible; they’ll show-off the maximum… All these possibil…[end of tape 1 side 2][tape 2 side 1]…everyone individually: “What you can do about Sahaja Yoga.” Make the list of people whom you are going to bring. Only those who come once to church… on… Christmas – may send their subscription every Sunday, also some of them do – are alright, can bring up the rear, of Sahaja Yoga. But such a rear can be a load, just a load, unless and until we have a real force in front. So you have to decide whether you are going to be just a load on Mataji that, “We’ve come here… My father is ill my mother is ill my brother is ill,” or “get me a job and do this and do that… I must have…” all these things are just good-for-nothing, useless. To My mind, it is absolutely useless. They have no meaning; I just do not think much of them. But now if you say, ‘alright, I am willing to do this and that for you,’ in the same way, with others also, you should talk in such a way… ‘Why you are bothering about these thing? What is it so important? What have you to do… in life? When you start talking like that your wisdom, your greatness, everything will be appreciated. The gurus, have to know from where their power has come and they must have their ideal corrected. They should study Me, how I talk to people, how I show My complete ignorance even if I know that they are horribly caught up and… I’d never tell them that “you are possessed” – never – till absolutely they start shaking their heads and, absolutely they go beyond. I’d never tell them personally. In the same way you should not, also, suddenly say to somebody “you are possessed,” because that may, absolutely upset people. Any curt answer, any sharp answer, is not going to help. Is a thing you must understand, you see is a gurudom, is different and to be a guru is different. You have to be extremely soft, and very sweet, otherwise these mad caps, they’ll all run away and they’ll be destroyed. They don’t know they’re good, you have to tell them they’re good, you have to talk to them sweetly; you have to do everything, go all out, bring them out, and do it. So today all of you have to take a vow, that you are all gurus and so, you are going to show… that you have, manifested, your guru-ness. When I come back, I want to see what have you done about it. All of you should get to it.May God bless you. [4 MP3]Shri Mataji : Any questions? Food can be served also… Any questions… Must ask questions you see? Because in the reaching of Sahaja Yoga you have problems.Sahaja Yogi: Mother, what do the born-Realized have that we don’t, and what do we have that the born-Realized don’t?Shri Mataji : Born Realized are the people who were Realized long time back, before they were born in this lifetime. So they clear out much faster than you do, because they have done the clearing before also, so they clear out very fast. They normally do not take to all the perversions and all the temptations that you take to, and they are very different type of people. They are unique and cynical because when they are born they find the rest of them are going the other way and they don’t know how to deal with the others, because they don’t know how to deal with the others and deal with the situation. They become cynical, and they have their own ideas, and maybe these born Realized might develop their ego, also, quite a lot.Normally they do not take to temptations – normally – but if they go to it, they will see to it that they have it fully, and, while you people have a very great capacity for one thing, because you know your Realization, it happened in your own awareness, when you were aware of it, you saw the happening. So you understand the value of it. Supposing you are born in a rich family, then you don’t understand the value of richness. But supposing you are not born in a rich family and suddenly you get lot of riches, then you can compare what I was and what I am. In the same way in Sahaja Yoga when you are not Realized and you get Realization, you can compare. And then the value of Realization is much greater for a Sahaja Yogi than for a just a Realized soul, even if some Realized souls also may understand but they are more individualistic, they are not so much collective, as you people are.Secondly, because you have gone through that, in this lifetime and in your own memory all the wrong things you have done, you have much more compassion and understanding for other people, who have got these things. While these who are Realized people do not have much of that patience for others and they have their own way of doing things. If they come to Sahaja Yoga they could be very dynamic and very great, no doubt. But they will not take to Sahaja Yoga easily because they think they are alright: "Why should we accept anything else now? " Because, sort of, they are satisfied people. But they cannot help the humanity unless and until they learn the thing. Like a man, say, who’s very clever, very intelligent, is a child born, very intelligent. He doesn’t like to go to a school. But he misses all the other things of the school: the discipline of the school, the complete knowledge of the school. He maybe alright I mean, he’s quite intelligent, but he lacks all that, which one can get it in a school in a proper way. Apart from that he lacks that companionship, with Me. Because I have given you Realization, so you feel Me much more than they can.Supposing a child is born to a mother and the child has not seen the mother, then that child cannot have that feeling for a mother as you people can have. So this is the greatest thing that you have got. And if the Realized, born Realized also, try to stick on to Sahaja Yoga they will also develop the same feeling, and then the joy starts pouring in, because you start seeing how your Mother looks after you, at every moment, how She creates play and how She creates magic, because you forget your Mother when She- I have not given you Realization you forget Her. You think: " Oh, I’m already Realized" sort of thing comes in you. Shri Mataji : What other question?Sahaja Yogi: It’s probably a silly question, but can self-Realization ever be lost, can you loose it, when given it.Shri Mataji: No, it’s not a silly question, it is not.You see, it is like this: when you become a human being, you are born as a human child alright? But supposing the child is put in company of the foxes, the child grows like a fox. Then, it does not have human awareness, it has the foxes’ awareness, but the body is that of a fox. [Human ?] In the same way you are Realized when you have jumped into another superhuman awareness. But if you do not allow it to grow properly, it has to grow still, and it has to grow, otherwise it won’t be manifesting itself. So that’s how it can be lost, in the sense that, you have to be born again and again it can come up. And it is lost in many.Intellectuals?Big problem. I don’t know. Because I have never known, such silly people before, you know. This lifetime only I am seeing such silly people and idiotic ones. Those who get Realization also don’t understand the value of Realization. Can you think of such people any time ? Also Realization can be lost, say, after Realization you don’t feel like drinking much or something and you try to force yourself and try to become a bad person again and again. Then the Kundalini may not rise and that’s how, though there will be an opening but Kundalini won’t rise, at all. Can happen. I’ve known many people. I mean, this is something so new, you know? In Kali Yuga everything is funny, but this is the funniest thing. Really. I’m surprised. I’m myself surprised at people, that they have got Realization; they’ll come to program; they’ll give Realization to ten people and then settle back – losing all their vibrations. There are. Quite funny type you know. This Kali Yuga has created such combinations and permutations. Endless! It’s impossible to understand them.So, the question is not silly at all, because you see, silly people are there. They think it fits in there. It is true – very sad – but it is. It happens. Such set of people. I mean, you can’t think of such set of people. I mean I never dreamt that I’ll be meeting such people. I thought “Once I give them realization they’ll be just Sahaj Yogis, very nice…” you know. Here I was, you know, like have you seen any… any fruit becoming a flower? Ha! I mean, really! This reversion is possible I never knew but human beings with their ego can do this reversion also. They have achieved it. [Mother laughs] You know after a egg is hatched the chick comes out, it cannot become an egg, isn’t it? But it does in human beings. They are silly people My child I know, you are correct, that is true it can be lost. It has been lost in so many of them. So you should tell them is better, you see the only way… advantage of this you can frighten them. You see “Don’t do like this otherwise it will be lost.” Then they’ll be alright. If they care for it. But human beings have become very superficial they just don’t care, much. You tell them “You shouldn’t do like this, is wrong” they’ll say “I know, I know!” “Then why are you doing it?” “I know, I know!”Now what do you know? Now you don’t know what to talk to such people. Some of them are about to go to lunatic asylum. Or perhaps they are not yet in, and we are facing them. Some of them are like that. Half nit…wits and what d’you call them, all kinds. One thing you must know, that the people who ride the ego are mostly those who are archbishops of idiocity. And with the idiots if you deal, you don’t know what they will do. So it can be. You see an idiot you don’t know what he’s up to. How can you see? For a sane person it is very difficult. But I have seen it, happening. They look very sensible, when they talk, but they’re idiots. You give them a diamond, tell them “this is diamond, look after it,” they’ll throw it away. In that they think “Oh, I have been a very detached person. I’m not interested even in my self-realization.” Maybe this is the justification. I cannot explain, but it is true. But doesn’t matter. I will manage them also – after some time. But they are headaches, you know? They are headaches. So first try simpler words, then the difficult ones. Always try first simpler words.[You?] can see through vibrations; you know everything; you know how you are placed and how they are placed; with vibration you can fathom out your own achievements you can… I mean you know your moorings you know, I mean relative position Â- everything you know. So there is no problem and you know such a lot.Hm what other question? [Marathi word "wathaapini?"]Bala? So “Here you are,” as Bala has said in one of his letters that a man has to have three things. One rare thing is that he should be born a human being. Is very rare. Second rare thing that he should have desire to meet God, and the third is to get a good guru. Here three things have happened… (you have got realization also), then what are we doing? This is the question. I mean everything has happened I mean it’s all there! And what do you do? You give the light. Now they say are we… now maybe I have enlightened you. Then what do you do? Give the light! Finished! Keep your lamp clean, and give the light. That’s all. Nothing else is needed. But you don’t take your light into some corner, or hide it under the sofa.Are you better now. How are you? Good. Are you alright now? You, good. David?David: Yes I am, Mother.Shri Mataji: Oh. That David also is he alright?David2 [Scottish accent?]: I was just thinking about what you’d said Mother. How can we help people who are born realized? But, they playing hard to get, they won’t come into Sahaja Yoga.Shri Mataji: I know they are very -David2: How can we help them?Shri Mataji: They should help themselves, David. Don’t bother your head. Now this Mr. Gent [said as in "get"] of yours or Gent [said as in "jet"] or whatever his name is. He’s trying to study all the four, what you call, yogas and this and that and [ON or ALL?]. So what is he doing now? This is Mahayoga all the things are inside it and now he should come down to do these things. He just doesn’t want to meet Me. He’s avoiding. What can you do about him? Look at them. He’s more on a supraconscious style, you see? And the Raja Yoga and all that is all humbug, is all nonsense they have written, absolute nonsense it is. That’s not Raja Yoga at all! It’s all misappropriation and, I don’t know what to call it like… You see as I was telling, the other day, it’s written that, in Sanskrit language, that when the Kundalini rises, She become Kriyavati, Gyanavati and all that. Means She become active – activity comes into her. So, according to Raja Yogis, when Kundalini rises you start jumping like a monkey. It is not! But it means then the activity comes into you that you start moving the Kundalini of others. That’s how they formed a huge big area of the so-called Raja Yogis. They said this is Raja Yoga.Sahaja Yogini [Italian?]: Mother, can we work on other people’s Kundalini when they are not aware of it?Shri Mataji: Yes yes, that you can raise but -Sahaja Yogini: …[WHEN WE...not clear] find it easier to do it this way, because some people are – although they see the beauty of Sahaja Yoga, they… they refuse to come into it or have anything to do with it.Shri Mataji: You raise their Kundalini, then gradually they’ll come. But, you see they have to be aware of their realization; that is a compulsion.Sahaja Yogini: They do. But I have come across some people that say they feel, so bad in themselves, that they say they’re not ready for it yet.Shri Mataji: But you should say “How do you judge yourself?”Sahaja Yogini: Well, hm…Shri Mataji: You can also say like this that “I used to say… say the same thing, it’s in the fashion. But now the time of judgment has come whether your are ready or not.” Nobody’s going to pull them out of the graves and judge them.Sahaja Yogini: So can we just put the…Shri Mataji: [unclear IF IS?] You will leave it to us whether you are judged… you are ready or not. These are all fashions, you know. This is a new style. “We are not ready. I am very bad Mother. I am good for nothing. I’m useless.” Sahaja Yogini: Some of them, Mother, they are too young that they feel that by coming nearer to God, they lose some of their freedom as young people. You understand. It’s very difficult to say it indifferently but… I’m talking about the purity of the person, and …Shri Mataji: This is the problem. You should tell them that by… You see, freedom is different, and abandonment is different. These are two things. One must understand. Say, there is a kite in the hand, alright? Then it is in your hand. But if you allow the kite to fly it wherever it likes, it is abandonment. So the freedom is that in which you can manage to maneuver it, to man it, to take it the way you like, that is the freedom. Then you are free. But if you are in the hands of these… baselessly you are roaming about, then this is abandonment… for which there is always a punishment. Like, you’ll be amazed at, in the western country, the percentage of impotent people is so high that – unbelievably – it is like that. They talk so much about sex and do this thing is talking [shocking?] It never works out. So much of impotency is settled in these western countries. The diseases, the dirty diseases, which are caused by, these indiscriminate sex activities, are so much in percentage, that one has to be guarded against. You see if somebody says “give me freedom to put my both the hands inside the circuit of electricity,” is that freedom? And I don’t understand what is the freedom they enjoy like this. Because there is jealousy, you cannot go about with many girls. There is jealousy; you cannot go about with many boys. There can be murders, you see. Why people murder these days? Their ego is hurt. Even with all this you see some, any drama or play and you see [IT?], you’ll be amazed, there is always a feeling of… Nobody says “Alright you have a boyfriend? Go ahead, I’m very happy” I have not heard anyone saying that. No one likes it – it hurts! They do it secretly. They cannot do it openly. If it is freedom it should be open. Why there is secrecy about it. They’ll hide from the man with whom they are connected, and just do it secretly. This is not good. They are deceiving themselves; they were deceiving another person. Deception! And this is no freedom. Supposing like a thief comes in and wants to run away with something. He says “I should have freedom to take away.” It’s like that! When you put your eyes on somebody, who belongs to someone else, then you are thieving. In the registration office it is said that this belongs to me. Then that is mine. In the same way in the registration office it is said that you are the wife of such-and-such, then your husband is the owner. Or you are the owner of your husband. I mean this relationship is between the two. But now supposing there is some sort of a relationship to be established like a thief, then you do it secretly. You understand My point? It is not registered anywhere else. Otherwise they become absolutely shameless, abandoned, and then all of them end up in the orphanages, at the age of forty-five years – looking like old, dilapidated, secluded, excluded, what other name is, cut-off people. So to deal with reality must be done with intensity. Even love must be intense. Otherwise you are just befooling yourself playing games. You see they just want to play games. It leads them nowhere. So this is not freedom, this is tomfoolery. It is making fool of yourself. It’s only you identification. Freedom means freedom to ego, not to wisdom. Sahaja Yogi [French Yogi, Patrice]: Mother do we have powers to kill rakshasas?Shri Mataji: Of course. You have. You have killed also so many of them. This is the minimum power you are.Sahaja Yogini: [INAUDIBLE - something to do with using "mardini" from the negativity destroying mantras together with someone's name?]Shri Mataji: You coin a mardini with anyone – finished. You see it is like this: I’m entitled, you see. I am the One who has killed all of them. So I’m entitled. I’ve got the title, you see, if you take My name title they finish off there. All their powers are dropping down; so you use that; you have been empowered. Otherwise how do you save these TM people, these people that people? Poor things they are under the grip of these horrible rakshasas.Patrice: Then they are finished, they don’t come in another form?Shri Mataji: No, I mean… You see they have so many other, styles of things, but you definitely kill some of them. Like in the war, you see? You are killing the enemies. You kill one, then another soldier, third soldier, forth soldier, like that. Sahaja Yogini:[italian] Mother, what shoebeating does to a person who is full of catches and bhoots? If we should shoebeat a person who is full of…?Shri Mataji: No, d’you see we should remove our interest a little bit, and give the photograph. Let them work on photograph, If they are not interested in photograph, just forget the person. You should not show interest in people who have no interested in the photograph. See that’s the best way. Why unnecessarily waste your energy? Sahaja Yogini: What happens if these people are in immediate contact with us, like living with us? We cannot just, you know, ignore these people, I mean…Shri Mataji: No you, if they don’t listen to you about these things, Try to cut off from them, and also tell Me their names: I’ll manage them.[Laughter]Sahaja Yogini: I’m telling You the names to get rid of it?[Laughter]Shri Mataji: No, no, no. Give Me in writing, you see. Give Me in writing and give Me a photograph. Then I’ll manage. Sahaja Yogi: I’m living with someShri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogi: I’m living with some.Shri Mataji: Alright? You give Me the names.[Shri Mataji laughs]Sahaja Yogi: No Ma, I’ve been living with them for six years.Shri Mataji: Yes, but you give Me the names, and the thing, I’ll manage them.Can I have my sweater, it’s here.Sahaja Yogi: No, I mean there’s no need Mother.Shri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogi: There’s no need, You know?Shri Mataji: There’s no need at all. Forget them. You see no need to do that, firstly. Secondly is that you learn you see they’re a good subject to learn. You see otherwise how will you know what sort of people they are?Sahaja Yogi: All right.Shri Mataji: My sweater? Oh, there… What’s happening to the biryani? The first attempt was biryani, [Mother laughs] and they asked Me the recipe, and – God save them – I told them that “don’t try all these things,” but they said “No. we’ll do it.” So, they must have done something. Just give Me.)You see among yourself only you can find out. Just now they say “How Kuli has answered the question.” Just don’t worry. (Who is there?) You are living with stones and you are living with so many other things. This… Sahaja Yogini [Italian]: But, don’t You think Mother of the children? Through their innocence they have more chances to get their Realization faster than the adults?Shri Mataji: Children?Sahaja Yogini: Yes.Shri Mataji: Yes they can. But I mean, some children can be very nasty, can be horrible.Can you close the window?Sahaja Yogi: shut the curtain rather.Shri Mataji: Better, let him do it. No-no I think better [unclear words]. Sit down, sit down. Kya hala tumhara. Aap teek ho gay?Rustom: Abhi Ma. Almost. Hundred percent.Shri Mataji Acha? Hundred percent. Sab pal tumha kya ha le. Aap teek ho gay? Bal tum lo gay si dira dev chalte ho…[...Mother continues in Hindi and calls in Marathi to the Maharashtrians at the back of the room]They can’t hear Me. [Marathi words]Rustom: Mataji, shall we bring the khana here before Your feet?Shri Mataji: Ha?Rustom: Shall we bring the food before Your feet?Shri Mataji: Kya what is it?Rustom: Shall we bring the food here, before Your feet?Shri Mataji: All right, if you want to. There’s no need. You do one thing, you take it.Sahaja Yogi [offering food]: Mix something with it?Shri Mataji: No that’s all. Can I give it in something so that you can…just pour it in. Yes please.Sahaja Yogi [French]: Peter is back.Shri Mataji: [Marathi words]. Very well done. Rustom? You have done it very well.Rustom: The ladies should be thanked Mother. Maureen and Cathy. Shri Mataji: Very good. Little salt is needed.Rustom: Ah, that’s true. I thought so too.Shri Mataji: Very well done.Nichessa purani kallo? [Marathi words] That is how we all meet and love each other and -nice isn’t it.Sahaja Yogi [Patrice]: Djamel is going to have an army of Ayatollahs on their backs.[Laughter]Djamel: No, no, I’m trying to suggest the ideology around here, because all the Ayatollahs are going to be trapped by the Americans.Shri Mataji: You know but, I must say I was surprised – thanks to you – that your President has done something about it. He’s very much different. You know, he has helped President Carter in some way, because President Carter has thanked him very much. Your President. Algerian.Djamel: Not supporting the-Shri Mataji: No he has said something by which he, I don’t know, for some “unknown reasons” they wrote, that President Carter thanked the President of Algeria.But what do you think about this mosque? What are they doing there?Who could these be people?Patrice: It’s a new messiah. Mother. one more.Djamel: I think they’re probably from the Muslim Brothers you know they…Shri Mataji: From the?Djamel: There’s a sect called the “Muslim Brothers” you see they’re very extremistShri Mataji: More than these?Djamel: Oh, of course. More than these Ayatollahs.Shri Mataji: They are from what country, from…?Djamel: Oh, they’re everywhere, mainly in Egypt.Sahaja Yogi1: Egypt,Shri Mataji: But Egyptians are against this.Djamel: We have them mostly in Algeria, but they are not regarded, well regarded by people alsoShri Mataji: What do they do, murders and things?Djamal: No, they just have their own fanatic ways, you see? And sometimes they can be violent. Like in Egypt, they have been very violent.Shri Mataji: Acha. I mean they have those weapons and things with them?Djamel: No Not, not, not generally no. But they are capable, yeach. If someone tries to lead them, to lead them or something or other they can…Shri Mataji: Like we had…Djamel: Organizing of so many coup d’Etats, you see.Shri Mataji: [To someone else] But dhal has salt quite a lot, tell them. So if you mix it up with dhal, you need not have salt. Something like “Anand Marg” we had in India?Djamel: But nobody, in Algeria, nobody really likes the Iranians anymore.Shri Mataji: Ah?Djamel: They don’t like this Ayatollah anymore.Shri Mataji: I think so…Djamel: They think…Shri Mataji: I mean they have really insulted God!Djamel: I mean… He thinks God is only for the Muslims, you know. Shri Mataji: Oh look at our Pakistanis. You know Americans always supported Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis against India. Americans always have a speciality of always supporting wrong people.[Laughter]Then they withdraw, but always I don’t know why they do it.Djamel: Mother, you see why, because the Muslims usually are against the Russians you see, so they like the Muslims. But then you see, ? Vietnam? did not work out.Shri Mataji: Ah.Djamel: You see Communism supposed to stand for atheism.Shri Mataji: Acha.No, it’s a very generalized way of saying, that, because they are Muslims, they will be against Russians or they will be for Russians for Americans.Sahaja Yogi: The majority are against the Russians because they…I mean they’re against…’cause when You were saying…Shri Mataji: Because they don’t believe in religion.Sahaja Yogi: Yea…Whenever someone says “Communism,” automatically its…Sahaja Yogini: Atheism…yea.Shri Mataji: But, against India, they have been always. Americans have been very much against India, and against favoring these two countries in the international fields. Even Ceylon…Sahaja Yogi: Will be supporting…Shri Mataji: Even Ceylon, you know. They created all enemies for India to deal with. If fearing God, fearing people are to be supported, then Indians are very God-fearing.Americans are not. Sahaja Yogini [Italian]: Mother, can we use some of that salt for our food?Shri Mataji: Hum?Sahaja Yogini: Can we use some of that salt?Shri Mataji: Nicely made. Eh?Sahaja Yogini: Yeach.Shri Mataji: They wrote down they whole thing. Sahaja Yogi [French]: It’s the first puja where we sing something properly Mother.Shri Mataji: Hm?Sahaja Yogi2: It was the first puja here where we sung something properly.Shri Mataji: Gavin practices. I was so enamored and so much, I must say very pleasantly surprised, the way you sung the Marathi aarti. How did you get it? I’m just…Sahaja Yogini: When we were in India we got it.Shri Mataji: Aacha.Gavin: We also had a tape, so we checked.Shri Mataji: Good. What about these Maharashtrian ladies. Have they gone? Or they are there?Sahaja Yogi: Yea they wereShri Mataji: Ha?Sahaja Yogi: No, they at the back Mother.Shri Mataji: They have brought something [...Mother converses briefly in Marathi with those at the back...] Every body should have something to eat.Nabhi is very much vibrating. Lower Nabhi.Kuli, some water for Me, to drink. Water. Sahaja Yogi: Mother. How can we help people who are born Realized, who meditate with the photograph but cannot feel the vibrations.Shri Mataji: Can’t feel?Sahaja Yogi: Can’t feel the cool breeze.Shri Mataji: How do you say he’s born Realized.Sahaja Yogi: feel cool from on the palm from there.Shri Mataji: Ha?Sahaja Yogi: I feel cool on the palms from this person.Shri Mataji: But he doesn’t. If he doesn’t accept Me, he cannot feel the cool breeze from Me.Sahaja Yogi [Scottish?]: This particular person has got the cool breeze, once or twice, the cool. Just feel it and then not very…Shri Mataji: That means he has to accept Me much more.Sahaja Yogi: Pardon?Shri Mataji: He has to accept Me. He has to accept Me much more.Sahaja Yogi: That may be the problem Mother, but this person hasn’t actually had the chance to meet You yet.Shri Mataji: If that’s all, then he will get it when he’ll meet Me.Sahaja Yogi: I mean he’s vegetarian. Shri Mataji: You see, when he’ll meet Me, he has to accept Me. If he doesn’t accept Me he cannot get cool breeze. Deities know. Deities know about it.I’ll tell you a simple example: We had a visitor in our house, his name wa, what was it? “Shaha.” What was his name, Mukud? Your friend.Sahaja Yogi: MukunchaShri Mataji: Mukuncha, Mukuncha. He had his Realization and everything, he was a Sahaj Yogi, came to see Me but I was having My bath. So he went upstairs and this Ganesha was kept there. And he started feeling his own vibrations, he never got any vibrations, nothing. He was surprised, he got a shock. He thought that “what has happened” has he lost all his vibrations? And Ganesha would not give any vibrations to him.So he came down, I’d finished My bath, he said, “Mother, I don’t know. What is what I did,” He didn’t even touch My feet he was so frightened. “I’ve lost my vibrations; I can’t feel any vibrations from Ganesha!” I said ‘Really?” He said “Yes.” I said “You touch My feet and now go and see.” He touched My feet; he went up, and the vibrations were alright. I said “He knows Me. You must touch My feet first otherwise He’s not going to give you vibrations too.” Sahaja Yogi: This person now I was talking about Mother, lives in Scotland, quite a long way off – so it’s difficult. But they, they not well-off. They’re on social security. So, this person can’t come down to see you.Shri Mataji: I’ll go to Glasgow, some day. And tell him to accept Me, more and more. Then his conditions will improve. Why is he on social security?Sahaja Yogi: It’s a lady, and her husbands on social security. He’s deaf and it’s difficult for him to get a job in Scotland.Shri Mataji: Haven’t they got a job? They should try for a job. Also social security people don’t get vibrations. Very true. You see, you are not to be parasite on your society.Yogi: He’s not a parasite Mother. He trying to get jobs there. But, because of his infirmity, his deafness.Shri Mataji: No once in a while is alright if you…but you must be trying for a job, I mean he shouldn’t like that kind of a life. Alright? So you tell him both the things, that "You must find out a good job for yourself", as well as – in this country is not difficult to make money, really not too difficult.Sahaja Yogi: It is in Scotland, it’s more difficult than it is here, Mother.Shri Mataji: No, I mean –Sahaja Yogi: …shortage of jobs there. Specially for people…Shri Mataji: Even if you do baby-sitting, you can make money here. You can. You see if you want to live on…because of the social thing you have got it, you depend on it.Sahaja Yogi: I’ll tell them Mother to do about itShri Mataji: But don’t tell him like that, he’ll feel hurt. You just tell him that “Mataji was saying ‘you should try to accept Me more’ and I’ll get him a job also.” He will find his job.(Can I wash, wipe My hands)Sahaja Yogi: Actually, it’s the wife who was meditating, and her husband I think is born Realized too, but, he doesn’t meditate regularly. But he’s got the cool breeze.Shri Mataji: Oh I see. He’ll come round, don’t you worry. What’s his name?Sahaja Yogi: The husband’s name is Tom.Shri Mataji: Tom.Sahaja Yogi: The wife is Jetta.Shri Mataji: What’s it?Sahaja Yogi: The wife is Jetta.Shri Mataji: Jetta. Alright. You see they have to accept Me, that’s the only thing is. Many people, They get vibrations, say, from Gavin, but not from Me. There are some like that! Kuli: Sorry, Mataji?Shri Mataji: Hum.Kuli: I said to one man, “see if you can feel the vibrations from this photograph?” you see? He said “No, I don’t believe in photographs.” So as a joke, then I said to him, see if you can feel them from Me?” He was willing to that, but he wasn’t willing to put his hands to the photograph.Shri Mataji: See! He, Gavi, he’s telling us a concrete result. He’s saying that there was someone whom he said that “Why don’t you see your vibrations from the photograph ? If you get the vibrations.” Then he said “I don’t believe in photographs, I’ll not feel it.” So he said “Alright, you put your hands towards me if you get the cool breeze. He put his hands to Kuli but he would not put to the photograph. Though Kuli would put his hands but he would not.Kuli: You know I said to him “I got it from the photograph,” and he wouldn’t put his hands to the photograph.Shri Mataji [laughing]: Typical. We have another one in India. Like Rajesh. He has got two sister-in-laws and they said that “we feel cool breeze from you, but not from [the photograph] … H. H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

12/2/1979

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Havan after Guru Puja with 115 Names of the Sat Guru

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115 Names of the Sat Guru Translated by Shri Mataji, on the 2nd December 1979, on the occasion of Guru Puja, where Shri Mataji declared that She is the Adi Shakti. These beautiful names, which were translated by Shri Mataji Herself, have unfortunately been altered and modified over the years. Previously known as the 113 names, two names were missed out. Now, as best as could possibly be done, the Sanskrit names have been corrected to how they were originally said on the day and Shri Mataji’s translation transcribed, to as close as possible to Her original translation. 1 Bhavaya………………………………………...He is the emotions 2 Sattvatmane…………………Whose atma has expressed the truth 3 Sattvasagaraya………………………...Who is the ocean of truth 4 Sattvavidhe…………………………..Who knows the pure vidya 5 Sattvasakshine……………….He is the one who sees the essence 6 Sattvasatyaya………………………Who meditates on the essences 7 Amaradhipaya………………………………..He is the eternal lord 8 Bhutakrute……………………He is the one who creates the past 9 Bhutaprete…………………………………He is the killer of the past 10 Bhutatmane…………………………He is the essence of the past 11 Bhutasambhavaya……………………Who incarnates as the past 12 Bhutabhavaya………He is the emotions of all that is so far created 13 Bhavaya…………………………………..……..He is the emotions 14 Bhutavide…………Who is an expert in all the vidyas that have been so far 15 Bhutakaranaya…………...He is the cause of all that is created 16 Bhutasakshine…………………...He is the witness of all that is created 17 Prabhutaye………He is the one who enlightens all that is created 18 Bhutanangparamagataye………………..The one who takes all that is created beyond 19 Bhutasangavidhatmane……….The one who resides with all that is created 20 Bhutatmane……..........The one who resides in the spirit of all that is created 21 Bhutashankaraya……………….The one who is the Shankara of all that is created 22 Mahanathaya…………....He is the great Nath, the Guru, the Lord of the vidya 23 Adi Nathaya………………………….He is the primordial master 24 Maheshwaraya………………………………He is the greatest God 25 Sarva Bhutanirvasatmane…………….He resides in every spirit of all that is created 26 Bhutasankarparnashina……………………He destroys all the tension and heat, that is created among human beings 27 Sarvatmane………………………….He resides in all the atman’s 28 Sarvaprete………………Who can be achieved by everyone. He is the one who encompasses 29 Sarvaya……………………………………..…..He is everything 30 Sarvajnaya…………………………………He is all the knowledge 31 Sarvanirnanaya………………..He is the judgement of everyone 32 Sarvasakshine……………………He is the witness of everyone (Now, see this is for you to remember, that you are going to be a witness of everything, you will see everything, you need not say everything, see, condemning anyone, but you know everything) 33 Brihahanave………………………………He is the Surya, the sun 34 Sarvavidhe………………………He is the knower of all knowledge 35 Sarvamangalaya…………………………………..He is all that is auspicious. Whatever he does is auspicious 36 Shantaya……………………………..His the one who is peaceful 37 Satyaya………………………...................He is the one who is truth 38 Samaya……………………...………………..He is with the maya 39 Purnaya…………………………………………..He is complete 40 Ekakine……………………………….He is lonely. He has no friend 41 Kamalapataye………………………………….…He is Vishnu 42 Ramaya…………………………………………….He is Rama 43 Ramapriyaya……….………………….Rama is very fond of him 44 Viramaya………………..Everything ends at him. He is the full stop 45 Ramakaranaya…………………………He is the cause of Rama 46 Shuddhatmane…………………………………..He is of pure heart 47 Anantaya……………………………………………He is eternal 48 Paramatabrute…………..…Who achieves the ultimate meaning 49 Hamsasakshine………………………Who is a witness of Hamsa, that is Pranava, discrimination. 50 Vibhave……………….…Who is the lord of the whole universe 51 Prabhave…………………………He is the one who is the enlightenment of all that has been created 52 Pralaya………………………….He is the one who is the destroyer of all that is created 53 Siddhatmane………………..…….The one who is a realised soul 54 Paramatmane……………………..The one who is the highest spirit 55 Siddhanan Paramagataye…………...He is the one who takes us to the highest stages of spirituality 56 Siddhi Siddhaye………..He is the Siddhi and he is the Siddha(power and master of the power) 57 Sahajaya…………………………He is the Sahaja, spontaneous 58 Vijvaraya……………………….The one who never gets heated 59 Mahabahave………………….The one whose arms are very strong 60 Vaholanadavadanaya……He is the one who gives the greatest joy 61 Avayaktapurushaya…………..He is the one who is not manifested 62 Prajnya………………………..He is enlightened awareness 63 Parijnaya……………………………….He is beyond all awareness 64 Paramatadrushe……………The one who caters for the emancipation of others 65 Panditaya……………………………..The one who is very much learned. 66 Buddhaya……………The one who is the knower, the enlightened 67 Vishwatmane……………The one who is the spirit of the whole universe 68 Pranavaya……………………………….The one who is the Om 69 Pranavatitaya……………………The one who is beyond Pranava 70 Shankaratmane……………The one who is the spirit of Shankara 71 Paramaya………………………….The one who is beyond maya 72 Devanam Paramagataye…………………..The one who takes the Devas also to the Parama state 73 Achityaya………………………………..He is beyond attention 74 Chaitanakaraya…………The one who is the flow of the awareness 75 Chaitana Chitta Vikramaya….The one who is the conquerer of the hero of the chitta 76 Parabrahmane…………………..…..He is the one beyond Brahma 77 Paramjyotise…………………………………He is the highest light 78 Paramdhamne…………………………….He is the highest abode 79 Param Tapase…………………..He is the greatest tapasi. The man who does the penance 80 Paramsutraya…..……..Who is the highest thread of the world 81 Paramtantraya……………………..Who is the highest mechanism 82 Kshetrajnaya………….………………He is the knower of the field 83 Lokapalaya…………………………The one who fosters the people 84 Gunatmane……………………….The one who is the spirit and essence of all the gunas. 85 Ananta Guna Sampanaya………………….The one who has unlimited virtues(You cannot count them) 86 Yajnya………….. The one who is a Yagna. (Yagna is a fire that burns off everything and gives auspiciousness) 87 Hiranyagarbhaya………………………………….He is the creator 88 Shrigarbhaya………………………He is the womb of the Mother 89 Suhrudhe………………………………….He is a very good friend 90 Paramanandaya……………………………He is the highest joy 91 Satyanandaya………………………..He is the highest joy of truth 92 Chittanandaya…………………….He is the highest joy of the attention, the chitta, awareness 93 Surya Mangala Madyadhaya…………He resides in the centre of ego 94 Janakaya…………………....The father and the father of Shri Sita 95 Manta Virya………………………………..The essence of mantra 96 Manta Bijaya………………………………………….He is the seed of mantra 97 Shastravirya…………He is the hero of all the shastras, the scriptures 98 Ekaiya…………………He is the only one(who cannot be surpassed by anyone) 99 Nishkalaya…………………He is without any phases, he is complete and celebrated on a Purnima, full moon day 100 Nirantaya………………………………………….He is eternal 101 Sureshwaraya…………………………..He is God of all the Gods 102 Yantra Krute……...............He is the creator of the yantra, which is kundalini 103 Yantrine………………………He is the engineer of the yantra 104 Yantravidhe………………………….He is the knowledge of the yantra, that is kundalini 105 Yantra Rudra Parajitaya……….He is the one who defeats all that comes in the way of yantra 106 Yantra Mataya………………………..He resides in the kundalini 107 Yantra Karaya……………He is the one who sustains the kundalini 108 Brahmayonaye…………………..He is the essence of the Brahma (yoni is the essence) 109 Vishwayonaye……………….He is the power (yoni is the Prakruti, the power. Yanta’s power is Guru) 110 Guruve……………………………….…….We bow to our Guru 111 Brahmane…………………………………………..He is Brahma 112 Trivikramaya……………..He is the conquerer of the three worlds 113 Sahasra Rambha Yodhabhavaya………..He fights for the beginning of the thousand years 114 Rudraya……………………….The power of Rudra is destructive 115 Hrudhayasthaya…………………………He resides in the heart

115 Names of the Sat Guru Translated by Shri Mataji, on the 2nd December 1979, on the occasion of Guru Puja, where Shri Mataji declared that She is the Adi Shakti. These beautiful names, which were translated by Shri Mataji Herself, have unfortunately been altered and modified over the years. Previously known as the 113 names, two names were missed out. Now, as best as could possibly be done, the Sanskrit names have been corrected to how they were originally said on the day and Shri Mataji’s translation transcribed, to as close as possible to Her original translation. 1 Bhavaya………………………………………...He is the emotions 2 Sattvatmane…………………Whose atma has expressed the truth 3 Sattvasagaraya………………………...Who is the ocean of truth 4 Sattvavidhe…………………………..Who knows the pure vidya 5 Sattvasakshine……………….He is the one who sees the essence 6 Sattvasatyaya………………………Who meditates on the essences 7 Amaradhipaya………………………………..He is the eternal lord 8 Bhutakrute……………………He is the one who creates the past 9 Bhutaprete…………………………………He is the killer of the past 10 Bhutatmane…………………………He is the essence of the past 11 Bhutasambhavaya……………………Who incarnates as the past 12 Bhutabhavaya………He is the emotions of all that is so far created 13 Bhavaya…………………………………..……..He is the emotions 14 Bhutavide…………Who is an expert in all the vidyas that have been so far 15 Bhutakaranaya…………...He is the cause of all that is created 16 Bhutasakshine…………………...He is the witness of all that is created 17 Prabhutaye………He is the one who enlightens all that is created 18 Bhutanangparamagataye………………..The one who takes all that is created beyond 19 Bhutasangavidhatmane……….The one who resides with all that is created 20 Bhutatmane……..........The one who resides in the spirit of all that is created 21 Bhutashankaraya……………….The one who is the Shankara of all that is created 22 Mahanathaya…………....He is the great Nath, the Guru, the Lord of the vidya 23 Adi Nathaya………………………….He is the primordial master 24 Maheshwaraya………………………………He is the greatest God 25 Sarva Bhutanirvasatmane…………….He resides in every spirit of all that is created 26 Bhutasankarparnashina……………………He destroys all the tension and heat, that is created among human beings 27 Sarvatmane………………………….He resides in all the atman’s 28 Sarvaprete………………Who can be achieved by everyone. He is the one who encompasses 29 Sarvaya……………………………………..…..He is everything 30 Sarvajnaya…………………………………He is all the knowledge 31 Sarvanirnanaya………………..He is the judgement of everyone 32 Sarvasakshine……………………He is the witness of everyone (Now, see this is for you to remember, that you are going to be a witness of everything, you will see everything, you need not say everything, see, condemning anyone, but you know everything) 33 Brihahanave………………………………He is the Surya, the sun 34 Sarvavidhe………………………He is the knower of all knowledge 35 Sarvamangalaya…………………………………..He is all that is auspicious. Whatever he does is auspicious 36 Shantaya……………………………..His the one who is peaceful 37 Satyaya………………………...................He is the one who is truth 38 Samaya……………………...………………..He is with the maya 39 Purnaya…………………………………………..He is complete 40 Ekakine……………………………….He is lonely. He has no friend 41 Kamalapataye………………………………….…He is Vishnu 42 Ramaya…………………………………………….He is Rama 43 Ramapriyaya……….………………….Rama is very fond of him 44 Viramaya………………..Everything ends at him. He is the full stop 45 Ramakaranaya…………………………He is the cause of Rama 46 Shuddhatmane…………………………………..He is of pure heart 47 Anantaya……………………………………………He is eternal 48 Paramatabrute…………..…Who achieves the ultimate meaning 49 Hamsasakshine………………………Who is a witness of Hamsa, that is Pranava, discrimination. 50 Vibhave……………….…Who is the lord of the whole universe 51 Prabhave…………………………He is the one who is the enlightenment of all that has been created 52 Pralaya………………………….He is the one who is the destroyer of all that is created 53 Siddhatmane………………..…….The one who is a realised soul 54 Paramatmane……………………..The one who is the highest spirit 55 Siddhanan Paramagataye…………...He is the one who takes us to the highest stages of spirituality 56 Siddhi Siddhaye………..He is the Siddhi and he is the Siddha(power and master of the power) 57 Sahajaya…………………………He is the Sahaja, spontaneous 58 Vijvaraya……………………….The one who never gets heated 59 Mahabahave………………….The one whose arms are very strong 60 Vaholanadavadanaya……He is the one who gives the greatest joy 61 Avayaktapurushaya…………..He is the one who is not manifested 62 Prajnya………………………..He is enlightened awareness 63 Parijnaya……………………………….He is beyond all awareness 64 Paramatadrushe……………The one who caters for the emancipation of others 65 Panditaya……………………………..The one who is very much learned. 66 Buddhaya……………The one who is the knower, the enlightened 67 Vishwatmane……………The one who is the spirit of the whole universe 68 Pranavaya……………………………….The one who is the Om 69 Pranavatitaya……………………The one who is beyond Pranava 70 Shankaratmane……………The one who is the spirit of Shankara 71 Paramaya………………………….The one who is beyond maya 72 Devanam Paramagataye…………………..The one who takes the Devas also to the Parama state 73 Achityaya………………………………..He is beyond attention 74 Chaitanakaraya…………The one who is the flow of the awareness 75 Chaitana Chitta Vikramaya….The one who is the conquerer of the hero of the chitta 76 Parabrahmane…………………..…..He is the one beyond Brahma 77 Paramjyotise…………………………………He is the highest light 78 Paramdhamne…………………………….He is the highest abode 79 Param Tapase…………………..He is the greatest tapasi. The man who does the penance 80 Paramsutraya…..……..Who is the highest thread of the world 81 Paramtantraya……………………..Who is the highest mechanism 82 Kshetrajnaya………….………………He is the knower of the field 83 Lokapalaya…………………………The one who fosters the people 84 Gunatmane……………………….The one who is the spirit and essence of all the gunas. 85 Ananta Guna Sampanaya………………….The one who has unlimited virtues(You cannot count them) 86 Yajnya………….. The one who is a Yagna. (Yagna is a fire that burns off everything and gives auspiciousness) 87 Hiranyagarbhaya………………………………….He is the creator 88 Shrigarbhaya………………………He is the womb of the Mother 89 Suhrudhe………………………………….He is a very good friend 90 Paramanandaya……………………………He is the highest joy 91 Satyanandaya………………………..He is the highest joy of truth 92 Chittanandaya…………………….He is the highest joy of the attention, the chitta, awareness 93 Surya Mangala Madyadhaya…………He resides in the centre of ego 94 Janakaya…………………....The father and the father of Shri Sita 95 Manta Virya………………………………..The essence of mantra 96 Manta Bijaya………………………………………….He is the seed of mantra 97 Shastravirya…………He is the hero of all the shastras, the scriptures 98 Ekaiya…………………He is the only one(who cannot be surpassed by anyone) 99 Nishkalaya…………………He is without any phases, he is complete and celebrated on a Purnima, full moon day 100 Nirantaya………………………………………….He is eternal 101 Sureshwaraya…………………………..He is God of all the Gods 102 Yantra Krute……...............He is the creator of the yantra, which is kundalini 103 Yantrine………………………He is the engineer of the yantra 104 Yantravidhe………………………….He is the knowledge of the yantra, that is kundalini 105 Yantra Rudra Parajitaya……….He is the one who defeats all that comes in the way of yantra 106 Yantra Mataya………………………..He resides in the kundalini 107 Yantra Karaya……………He is the one who sustains the kundalini 108 Brahmayonaye…………………..He is the essence of the Brahma (yoni is the essence) 109 Vishwayonaye……………….He is the power (yoni is the Prakruti, the power. Yanta’s power is Guru) 110 Guruve……………………………….…….We bow to our Guru 111 Brahmane…………………………………………..He is Brahma 112 Trivikramaya……………..He is the conquerer of the three worlds 113 Sahasra Rambha Yodhabhavaya………..He fights for the beginning of the thousand years 114 Rudraya……………………….The power of Rudra is destructive 115 Hrudhayasthaya…………………………He resides in the heart

12/3/1979

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Realisation is not of the Intellect

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"Realisation is not of the Intellect”, Public Programme. Caxton Hall, London, England. 3 December 1979. Thanks for the nice talk he gave. And also I thank all of you for coming down here. In his frantic effort of explaining to you that you have to get something here, is the expression of his own experiences about himself. He had problems of the same style as you had. And he knows that if you go on analysing things with your brain and with your intellect then you are going to delay. And because he knows what mistakes one may commit, and he has also seen so many doing that, that’s why he’s trying to tell you that, “At least if we have committed mistakes you be cautioned and you learn from our mistakes and try to come up fast and listen to it and take it.” Now the seekers are there, as you know, but, as he says, they have labelled themselves as seekers: “We are seekers”. And they are so proud of seeking, that he himself has told me, that now they do not want to give up seeking even if they find it. It’s a very funny situation and I said, “Why is it so, that?” He says “No, you form a sort of a habit. Then you don’t want to give up the habit because you’ll go into sort of a funny situation if you give up the habit. And that’s why they just want to continue with it even if they have found it. I mean, all kinds of complicated situations we have faced so far. But a simple thing is this – very simple thing – is to understand that there is something beyond which we are seeking. The beyond is the Self within us is the Spirit. The Spirit that resides in our heart. And this Spirit has to come into our conscious understanding. We know there is someone who is watching us who knows all about it. But He is not in our conscious mind: means we cannot see through Him. He sees us. We look at Him as something hidden behind the curtains. But now how to remove that curtain and to become one with that? By becoming one with that, what happens is that you get connected to the mains and to the whole, of which you are part and parcel. The whole universe, the whole creation is a part and parcel of one organic Being. Through our ignorance we start thinking that we are separated from it. Till we are animal stage we are going according to the will of the Nature and we do not have the freedom, so in a way we are one with that Divine force, but we are not aware of it. Only in the human stage, it is said that you will become aware of it. It’s said in all the scriptures: like Koran, like Bible, like Vedas, like Gita – which is a part of Veda you can say. Also great sages all over the world, right from Moses, Abraham, Socrates, Lao Tse. In India: Janaka, Nanaka, Vasishta. Later on people like, we can say in the history, about 6th century, we had a very great saint or a great personality or an incarnation like Shankaracharya. All these people have been talking about your second birth; that you are to be born again. Unless and until you are born again you are not a Christian, you are not a Hindu you are not a Muslim. Keep it one name. There are ten names to one thing for ‘twice born’. So it boils down to one simple point that you are to be born again. You are born again and again. From amoeba to this stage you are born again and again. There must be something continuous otherwise how do you improve onto it? So you reach a stage which is called as human being and now here it is said that you are to be born again. Only in this stage – when you’re born again – it is in your own consciousness. All other stages you never felt how you are born again and again. And this feeling that you are seeking, that you have to seek something, comes to you from the unconscious because you are to be born again. And unless and until that happens to you, you are not going to feel happy. Like anything that is made, any instrument that is made, if it is not put to the mains it doesn’t work – it has no meaning. And when you find life meaningless you turn to seeking. But the One who has created you, so far, has made you a human being from amoeba, has made arrangements for it. What are the arrangements he had made within us for our germination for our second birth is shown in this figure. I am today talking to people because there are lots of people who are new, and they should be able to follow it up that we have all these arrangements within ourselves. Now this is not so complicated as we make it. If you think by reading about it you are going to have it, we have had many readers, so far. I mean we have books and books and books. We never read to breathe. We never read to have a human existence. We just have it. In the same way if you have to have your Realisation you are not going to read about it. It has to be something spontaneous, Sahaja, is born with you: “Saha-ja”. “Saha” means “with” and “Ja” is “born.” It is with you, within you. It is said everywhere. Everybody has said it is within you. Now where is it? The Spirit is in the heart. But where is the germinating power? I am sorry for this but this is what it is. Poor Cooly has vanished in thin air! He’s feeling very, Cooly has kept outside. I’m sorry, but today is the first day we have such a small room, you know. (Laughing) I’m sorry for this we have. Sit down, sit. I think leave the door open otherwise it’ll bang at you. You can sit here. Marcus you can come done here in front. Nahi nahi mere ke kene. Tuhi koi ayega to khol lega, khule honee kije ke rakhiye, bas. Ha, just now. They’ll come, they know. They’ll all come. They’ll find out after all. Jab koi ayega, then you should be able to move out. This is what I am saying. Actually in Sahaja Yoga we have very tall people with long legs (laughing) and they find it difficult to fold them up you see. Now, as we have got this being without any difficulties, it’s nothing serious about it: it’s just there. It’s the play of God’s desire. We have got it. In the same way our Realisation is also going to work out with that living force which has brought forth this human being. Now that living force has also, within us, through our evolution, has created all this. These are all different centres which are subtle centres, which are, we can say, the undercurrents of our being. These centres you cannot see with your naked eyes, because they are placed either in the spinal cord or in the brain. But they do give rise to gross centres outside. Now these centres are beautifully placed and the first one with the four petals is called as Mooladhara Chakra. Now this centre is placed below the Kundalini. Now mark, this is a very important point: it is placed below the Kundalini. This represents the material side or we can say the matter that is within us, is the Earth element within us, is the jada (inanimate matter) as they call it. Is the - ‘dead’ is a bad word - but, I would say, the thing that is not yet been awakened. The mother element of Earth is there, higher, but this is the child element – that is the innocence – is placed. The embodiment of innocence is placed under the Kundalini. That is called as Mooladhara Chakra, and which controls also our sex. It gives rise to pelvic plexus which also has got four sub-plexuses. Now it is interesting to note that it is placed under the Kundalini, so if the Kundalini has to rise She doesn’t go through this. So sex has nothing to do with Kundalini rising. Only thing is that, when the message from your hands when you are placing your hands towards me, the message – please sit with your hands like this – the message that there is somebody who can raise the Kundalini, or the message to the Kundalini or invitation to the Kundalini, goes through your fingers, down, here, passes through these two lines that you see, and informs that Deity which is sitting down there, who is Shri Ganesha; Who when [he] awakens and informs the Kundalini which is the Mother of Ganesha, Gauri, sitting in the triangular bone; which they call as a three-and-a-half coiled serpent, because it has got itself in a shape of a serpent. It is three and a half coil. It has also got a very great mathematical significance: three-and-a-half. Now this power is the germinating power. Now it is called as the residual power. Means after creating the whole binda, the whole zygote of a human being, still it remains the full. This is the power that we call the Mahakali power, because it is the power of desire of God. He desires that you should get your Realisation. The desire of God is expressed within us through this Left Side power which you see, left side channel, is called as the Mahakali power. As long as He desires we exist and as soon as He doesn’t want, we do not exist. So the Left Side gives rise to our desires and also looks after our emotional side. Means it is not yet materialised. The second power you see on the right hand side, yellow one, is the power to create. This is called as Mahasaraswati power. In the Sanskrit language these are expressed very clearly. We can call it the creative power. The creative power of God descends within us, through this, and is effective in giving us creative powers: of thinking power, of mental effort, and physical effort. So we put in our mental and physical efforts through this power which is called as Mahasaraswati power. In the centre is the power which is called as the evolutionary power which as you can see has gaps. And this is the power of Mahalakshmi power, which is not yet fully connected. This is the gap. So we have three powers. In the same way, in the gross, we have three autonomous nervous systems. The one on the left is called as the left sympathetic, one on the right as the right sympathetic and the centre is called as the parasympathetic. Now, left sympathetic acts for our emotions, the right acts for our physical and mental efforts, and the central acts for our coordination, for our balancing and for supply of this power, vital power. But as these two side powers, left and right, start working, as a by-product of these two powers we develop two very big balloons in our head which can be called as ego and superego: one is yellow coloured another is [the] blue colour and they cross over. Because of this the head gets covered and we get separated. The fontanel bone here gets calcified and you become Mr. X and another becomes Mr. Y and another becomes Mr. Z. Now you are separated from that All-pervading Power, because now you have to know it in your consciousness. Then you start seeking. It is something like this we can understand that evolution could not go any further. Like a little chick, bird, which does not know how to fly. So the mother hides herself somewhere and starts calling. Ultimately the chick bird gets the confidence and flies towards the mother. Because you have to know what this power is, you have to know how to manoeuvre this and you have to know how to enjoy this power of God which He wants to bestow upon you. By this power the whole universe is ruled; is the power of divine love. It exists. It is everywhere and after Realisation you are surprised that you become, again I say ‘you become’, you are actualised. It is no lecturing that you have to be this and have to be that. It actually happens within you that you be collectively conscious: means you can start feeling others on your fingers as shown there. And you get Self-realisation by which you see within yourself what you are. You start seeing your chakras within yourself, one by one, and you can correct it and you can correct the chakras of others also. Now I agree it’s a very difficult task, as they say. But some experts may be there, some masters could be there. For example, once upon a time, even to come to London from India was of course an impossibility. Even to go from Bombay to Banaras, people would sell out their houses, everything, and everybody would cry as if they are going to die on the way - it was that impossible, it was so very slow. But as the time has moved you have got now aeroplanes and you are going to the moon. In the same way, the Kundalini shastra has improved so much that today we have among ourselves, thousands of Sahaj Yogis in India who just get their Realisation in thousands, in thousands. In the cities of course there is a problem because people are very complicated. In the West they get their Realisation very fast, no doubt, because they are real seekers, no doubt, but they lose it equally fast. The reason is: once they get their Realisation as usual they must have read some books of analysis of some psychologist [such as] Mr. Bowen - I have heard recently [this] name - and they go home and start analysing. Once you start analysing it’s finished. You cannot analyse it. I am talking of synthesis. And if you start analysing it, the living thing is finished. Supposing you have to analyse this finger, just think like that, you cut it from here first of all, then you open it out one by one and see for yourself what is inside this. Here I am talking of synthesis. Moreover one should know: by thinking you have not got it, by analysing you have not got it, you have just got it spontaneously. So why should you analyse it? You should employ the methods which are synthesising you, [which] are putting your whole being in one line or you can say in one thread [so] that all your diversified temperaments and beings are just fixed together, that you become one with the whole, that you become completely relaxed. As I gave one example – which many people like it very much – that some people were told not to take too much luggage on their heads and in an aeroplane they went, and they said that you shouldn’t take too much luggage on the aeroplane. They put back their luggage on their heads thinking that aeroplane may be feeling more weight for that, so they were trying to reduce the weight of the aeroplane. In the same way we are trying to reduce the weight of the aeroplane. The One who has created us, the One who has made us human being is going to make us that great. But Mr. Ego says, “No how can it be? I must do it myself.” You cannot. You cannot even transform one flower into a fruit. And we must accept: we have done nothing living, what we have done is all dead. Like creating this building now: is all dead; from dead to dead; just changing forms. So if the smallest living thing God has to do then this thing He has to do. And He’d better do it. For Him it is better that He does it, otherwise He will lose His own significance and meaning to His Creation. But what we have done in our freedom, is like, you were asked to sit in a small little boat, and we were about to cross, while everybody started jumping in the sea. For nothing at all you started going on to the left side or to the right side. If it came to crying, weeping and troubling yourself, destroying, self-destroying, you did everything that was possible under the sun. Then when it came to destroying others you did everything that was possible under the sun. So either to the right or to the left we have been going a bit too much, and that is why we have to correct that point. That correction also one can do with Kundalini awakening. Everything is possible and it has to happen. It has happened to thousands and should happen. You can see with your naked eyes the movement of the Kundalini. But in some places it is so fast that you just start feeling cool breeze flowing for your hand. It is said in the Bible that from the Holy Ghost you get cool breeze. It is said. Of course, I mean in the Indian scriptures you know that they are full of it. There’s a very beautiful shloka of Shri Shankaracharya, he says “Saleelam, Saleelam”: a cool breeze starts flowing. He calls it as “Chaitanya Lahari,” he calls it as “Saundarya Lahari,” he calls it as “Ananda Lahari.” But many things happen when the Kundalini rises. It is not just [that it] happens that Kundalini straight off comes into it. What you call the pranalay, manalay: all these things takes place, all the Raja Yoga takes place within yourself, the bandas takes place and then the Kundalini comes up. But it comes so fast that you do not feel any one of them. This is why this is Maha Yoga stage of Sahaj Yoga. Maha Yoga stage because, at this stage you meet. Till you have not met me, you have not met me. Maybe you might have come up to Victoria or even up to this place and if you have not met me you have not met me. So if you have to meet me, then that moment when you meet me is the real point. If you have not met me, till that moment it has no meaning. In the same way all yogas are useless, if there is no Maha Yoga. So, the time of Maha Yoga has come and you have to get it and it has to work out. It is as simple as that. That’s why Gregoire is very frantic because he knows that you should take it because he has been to many gurus. Most of them have been to gurus and all sort of things they have been to, and they have suffered a lot. They have gone through hell with this have really suffered a lot. They know that what they have gone through by going to gurus. And that’s why they are frantic, that, “Please now give up all that!” For this you cannot pay, because this is love of God and you cannot pay for the love of God. You cannot pay for the love of God, is no question. Because it is insulting on the contrary, I think, that we think of paying. And anybody who talks of these things is a nonsensical fellow, is absolutely nonsensical. So first of all you get your Realisation. Then one problem arises which I must tell you, which I have seen happening, apart from analysis and all that. The one problem that arises is that you start facing yourself. First of all some of you who have harmed yourself. Like the other day we had a gentleman who has been to a spiritualist. Now they look very harmless you see spiritualist people. But they very harmful people. Poor fellow, he had all kinds of diseases and everything when he came to me. And he has been to the spiritualist church. Now spiritualists are nothing but absolutely, what you can call them, they are the people who put possessions into you. So he was completely possessed. Apart from diseases he could not sleep and he was getting hallucinations and jumping out of his bed, and was feeling that his body is leaving him and he’s going anywhere else. All kinds of complications he had. So, when he got his Realisation, he started feeling pins and needles first of all, when he put his hands towards me. In the hand pins and needles and things like that. He got a fright. I said “Why? Face it,” because that is the problem. In the light you start seeing everything. If there is no light everything is black, well and good, no problem. If this sari is not clean you cannot see if there are any spots. But as soon as you clean this all the permanent spots you can see clearly. In the same way you start seeing them. Once you see them there is nothing to be frightened. Because you must know that now you are separated from yourself, which was dirtied which was spoiled which was aggressed. That personality is separated from you, believe me. And then it is very easy to cleanse that. You have to be a little bit patient with yourself. Of course I am very patient no doubt. But you have to be patient. Sometimes it happens that, if the problem is there, you start facing it in the way that you may see that - now this finger is catching, this finger is catching, “I’m getting heat from these two fingers Mother, now what does that mean? I’m not getting cool all over?” That means something. These two fingers denote two chakras. And if there is a problem in these centres you can be cured. You can be alright. So this Kundalini not only connects you with the Absolute, but gives you all absolute spiritual values. After that if you want to ask questions, say, “Is there God?” Immediately cool breeze will start flowing. The rapport is established. You are one with the Absolute. Unless and until you have absolute, you cannot decide about anything. Whatever you decide is nothing but relative. And all relative values are confusing. You do not know whether it is right or wrong. For example now if I give you a ring like that, you will say “Alright, it is ring, this thing this thing. It is so much price this.” That’s all, finished. Somebody will say “It is nice,” somebody will say “I don’t like it,” Somebody will say “is yes it’s good, but this…” Depending on if you are French, if you are Indian or English. But, if you are a realised-soul, you will immediately know it is Mataji’s ring, all of you. How? Even if it is kept here and they’ll know Mataji’s ring is somewhere here. How? Because there will be vibrations oozing out. And you will know that these vibrations cannot be from anybody else but Mataji’s ring. You’ll be amazed, we went to Kashmir and we were going in a car and suddenly in a jungle I felt tremendous vibrations. And I told my husband, “There must be some sort of a big temple here or must be some living Deity that has come out of the Earth, must be something.” So I asked the driver, “Is there any temple?” He said, “No temple here. There’s no Temple.” I said, “No, it’s not possible there must be something.” So I said, “Alright you follow this way,” and we went nearer and nearer and it became hotter and hotter, in the sense cooler and cooler, because you start feeling cooling with the vibrations. And amazement came to me. The driver said, “Yes, that is true, there is a big place here called as ‘Hazrat-bal,’ and one hair of Mohammed Sahib is kept here.” And when we went in, they were very kind to me, suddenly I don’t know what happened to them, they didn’t ask me I was Hindu, Muslim or anything, just took us inside and everything. And I was just in full enjoyment of that place, with one hair of Mohammad Sahib. So the whole value is decided and judged on vibrations. So you get a new awareness which is called as vibratory awareness. So your awareness itself is enlightened. Means, the word that is used in Sanskrit for enlightenment is ‘pra’. You are prabuddha. Your awareness becomes enlightened. That you start seeing the things, or feeling the things, which are absolute, and knowing which are not. So your whole priorities change. And you become a dynamic personality, absolutely dynamic, because your powers start flowing, and you get such a big, canvas or you can say spectrum to work with. As Gregoire has told you that I’m a very good cook, yes. I’m a very good housewife and I’m good at thousand and one thing. And also I run a big organisation of Sahaja Yoga and all those things I do. (cassette side 2: Cassette label indicates side 2 as “afternoon session.”) Come along. I wish, Djamel you had brought one of your aeroplanes here! Come along. Is there somebody else coming in? Please come in. Come, come here Djamel. He’s coming from Algeria. Hello. Come along, come along, come along. Hello… come along, sit down. I’m sorry! You see this is the mess in which we are today, thanks to Caxton hall. Ha aap log agar samne bhatjai, tho acha ho ga baisab. Aap jar hai? Acha ho aye ham pyas peeka aajao. Haa. lekin bahut soch ke puchega. Waje ye hai ki, koi… prashna aisa hona chahiye, ki, ha kyonki usse agar dimag logo ka uchal jaye, chiita gar unka, uchal jaye tho cheek nahi kyonki bas soch vich, nazuk kaam hai. Aap samaj hai? Ha. Kyonki is me puchne ka kuch hai nahi banne ki baat. Ugar ban jaye, tho ban jaye. Aur nahi bane to nahi bane. Aisa hai iska haal. Waise tho aapke sare savalon ko mein javab de doon gi. Par is vaje sime ker hi hoon kin ka chitta ek dam se doosre jagah le jayega. Banake cheez le jaa rahe hai. Thik? Now he wanted to ask some questions so I have requested him that just now don’t ask me questions because just now I am putting your attention to something, your attention may be diverted. And I don’t mind any number of questions, you know that I have answered thousand and one, and I don’t mind answering, but that’s not going to give us the Realisation. What is it we want is Realisation, first of all. Let us work it out and then we’ll talk about it. Because in darkness what is the question. In light then we’ll talk. In light you can see better, then we’ll talk about it. First let us have the light. So now we come to the end of our lecture for today. I have given an introduction. The questions that are going into your minds I know. One of them is, of those who have come now, is that they have heard horrible things about Kundalini. I have to tell you that those people who have no right, no authority to raise Kundalini, if they raise the Kundalini there is a problem. They have to be absolutely holy pure people: veetaraga (वीतराग) as it is called. Sahaj Yogis is different, they have a special authority, but normally they have to be very highly evolved people to raise the Kundalini. If they try any tricks the Ganesha who is sitting there in the first chakra gets annoyed and they have complications. So if, supposing, a person like me who is naive who doesn’t understand what is this instrument (microphone) is and tries to do something about it, it will only break it. In the same way, people break that Kundalini, they break that instrument, and we have had a very bad time correcting it. But why ask such a question also? Supposing it is easy why not have it? I mean that should be the normal reaction. Why should we say that, “It is said that it is very difficult”? Alright, maybe, but we are going to do it fast, so why not? Lets have it! That should be normal attitude, isn’t it? But human beings are very funny that way, isn’t it? Because supposing I say, “There’s a diamond here free for you, come along, have it.” They’ll come all the way from Australia! Then why not for this? So, I would request you to get your Realisation first. If you think too much about it or if you analyse it, it will not work out. My idea is that you should get it. And that’s why I’m telling you, to take it easy. Do not take it in a frantic way. Just leave it alone, it will work out. It’s just like germinating a seed. It’s like just enlightening a lamp. One candle which is enlightened can enlighten another candle. But supposing the other candle is all the time falling this way, that way, or if the attention of the other candle is not alright, then how do you enlighten it? So keep the attention in the centre, it will work out. The most important thing is that you should get it otherwise what is it? That life has no meaning. This is what you are here for so you should get it. If you don’t get it, then we’ll find out the question or the problem. Alright? Now don’t put your mind into a questioning style, but just let it go. Let it go, let it work out. Now here there are at least 60% people who are realised souls – among you, sitting. Or I would say 70%. And those who know all about Kundalini, raising of the Kundalini, everything they know. They have seen Kundalini rising. Now you have to be one of them. Today is a very international gathering here. We have people from France, we have people from Switzerland, we have people from Algeria, we have people from America and all over the people have come today. Somehow it’s a very great day. And it should work out with all these great saints coming here it should work out. So just expose yourself and it would work out. You must know one thing that I cannot take anything from you. I cannot receive. My nature is not to receive but just to give. So you take it from me. It’s a gift. Just take it, and have it, and enjoy it! This is what you have been seeking, not [only] in this life but many lives before and the time has come and chance has come, so better have it. Do not miss this. That’s what I have to request you. So please put your hands like that. Just like that. Just like that. Very beautiful people have come today. I don’t know where were they before. I just missed them. Just simple hands like this. You can close your eyes if you can. Some people can’t close: they get a flickering of the eyes. If you do not get any flicker please keep your eyes closed. If you are getting flickering of the eyes then please open them. Something is wrong with the centre here (Agyna) if you cannot keep your eyes closed. You can’t close your eyes? Are you getting flickering? Can you close? Put your forehead little open for me to see - forehead. Just like this. You will start feeling cool breeze in your hand. To begin with if you watch your thoughts, there is no thought, you will find you are thoughtless. This is the Nirvichar Samadhi, is established. ‘Samadhi’ means ‘awareness that is enlightened’ and ‘Nirvichar’ means ‘thoughtless’. This is the first one that comes to you. Second one which comes to you is Nirvikalpa, which means ‘doubtless’. You know how it works, how you manoeuvre it. How you go about it. You practice it. Come along. Yogi:Should some of us go outside, Mother? Shri Mataji:Just now we have space. When the space becomes that impossible you can go. If you have love we can do with much less space, you see. And if you don’t have love, even big mansions are not sufficient for one man. Just put your hands like that, just like this, simple, absolutely simple. Heart. Now we have to forgive others. That is very important in Sahaja Yoga. We have to forgive others. First of all let us forgive others. Then we have to forgive ourselves also, because we find lots of faults with ourselves. That’s a modern fashion. Know that you are that beautiful thing which is the source of truth, joy and awareness. And now you have to also ask for forgiveness, if you have done any mistakes by doing something to extremes or disobeying the laws of nature. Anything like that, if you have done, you have to ask for forgiveness. Ask for forgiveness, will help very much. God is so generous, so compassionate, so kind, that He forgives us for all that we have done against Him, all that we have done neglecting Him, ignoring Him, His importance. Forget the past and don’t worry about the future, because the past is over and the future doesn’t exist. You have to jump in between the two; which will happen to you it just will happen. That you’ll become thoughtless to begin with: there would be no thought in your mind, to begin with. And then we’ll start feeling the cool breeze coming from your hand. Today in a session, in the morning time, at least 90% of people felt the cool breeze. 90% people felt it. But do not condemn yourself if you are not feeling, may be something wrong physically, mentally, something wrong somewhere, which we have to correct. Left. Please forgive. Will you all say Lord’s Prayer, I think that will improve a lot. Will you please open the door a little of this window please? (Everyone says Lord’s Prayer) Shri Mataji:Again. Thrice. (Yogis repeat Lord’s Prayer) Shri Mataji:Ha. You can say the Sahasrara mantra. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalakshmi Shri Mahasaraswati Shri Mahakali Trigunatmika, Adi Kundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Mataji:Sahasrara Swamini, Moksha Dayini Yogis:Shri Sahasrara Swamini Moksha Dayini Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha Yogi:It’s very cool. Shri Mataji:Hmm. Worked out. Hm? Superego. Mahakaliche mhanaiche (Marathi: You should say Mahakali mantra). Yogis:Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahakali Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji:You should not doubt much because your attention will be disturbed by doubting. For a while just don’t doubt. We’ll have a lot of time to do that later on. Alright? All those who are feeling cool breeze in the hand, raise your hands. All! Great! Now, put down your hands please. Those who have come today and are getting the cool breeze please raise your hands: today. It’s great. Good. Those who have come today and are not getting the cool breeze please raise your hands. Are not getting. You are getting the cool breeze? No. Please raise your hands. Those who have come today and are not getting the cool breeze, please raise your hands. Please! He’s getting the cool breeze? Are you getting? Don’t think about it, alright? Just don’t think then you’ll lose it. Just don’t think. You are getting the cool breeze? Good. Are you getting the cool breeze? Great! I must say, great people got it. See, very great people are there. Who is that? Alright just a little bit if you can move a little, one more is needed. May God bless you! See this. Ha! Those who are not getting the cool breeze again please raise your hands. Alright. Can I request you to come forward please? Please, come forward. Please. Aaye samne aayenge. The rest of them should move back. Now you all should those who have got cool breeze and who have come today, please sit down in meditation at the back, and go into it deeply just enjoy it. This is yours is it? Just sit down. But you have got it, You haven’t touched the Realisation? Small girl: Shall I stay at this end? I want to stay at this end. Shri Mataji: This end? Alright, you stay this end, is alright. What have you been thinking? You’ll lose all your vibrations. You had such a lot. You’ve been thinking about it, is it? Man: I think it’s a bit cooler here near the door. Djamel: He wonders whether what he feels comes from the door. Shri Mataji:Now don’t waste it on small things like that. Now. What does he want to take her? Alright, she has to go too. She’s better now. How are you now, better now? Better. Yes, yes take her. May god bless you. Take her. Are you going with? No. Hm. How will you go, how will you go there? Man: Mother we not very far away. Shri Mataji:Is it? Alright. May God bless you. Are you comfortable there? If need anything let me know. Blankets or anything? Lady: No we have. Shri Mataji:You have got? Lady: Yes. Shri Mataji: Alright. May God bless you. Aise rakhega. Ye aage sarak. Now you close your eyes. Those who have got Realisation don’t think about it just keep yourself there and feel it. This is the greatest thing that has happened to you. Because it has happened so simple and in such a miraculous way you are not understanding the importance of it. Just close your eyes. You haven’t got the cool breeze, both of you? You got it? Good! You are real seekers, I must say. Alright. Close your eyes and enjoy it. Come along. Close it. Then I will teach you what it is, what it means. This lady she’s got it cool breeze? It’s good! Great! I must say. Great people you are. Just close your eyes and meditate don’t think about it. Just I will teach you everything. See this gentleman somebody has to. Christine? (Shri Mataji responds to a man speaking Hindi:) Haa accha yaad aaya mujhe, Kahiye kya haal hai. Accha aap aaram se bathiye, aaram se. Ankhen band karega? Now what is it, where is he catching? On the left? Koi guru hote nahi, kya gaye to kabhi? Man: Kabhi nahi. Shri Mataji: Kabhi nahi. Kisi ke paas nahi gaye Inko do. Sudha. Just see him. Keep your eyes shut, is better. Bas choona nahi, phir tum pakad lete. Nahi, you just do it, tell me where is the problem? You haven’t got it? Lady: I can feel it but I don’t know if it’s the window I can feel. Shri Mataji: Oh no, don’t you worry. You see it is not the window. It’s Good, good. Now you go into yourself. Now don’t doubt yourself. Close your eyes. Why shouldn’t you get it? Everybody’s getting. Close your eyes. Close your eyes all of you. And you are going to learn it, alright? You are going to learn how to do it, you have to do it for others also. Just enjoy, enjoy. Close your eyes. Enjoy yourself. Now forget about everybody else. Just enjoy, close your eyes and enjoy. And then you are going to go into it. It’s a very deep feeling. Close your eyes. Raise their Kundalinis all of them, those who have got also. Raise their Kundalinis so that they feel it deeper. Those who have got, raise their Kundalinis also. Close, keep your eyes. Don’t touch them. Just close your eyes please. Have you got the cool breeze? Have you felt the cool breeze? Lost it again? Now what are you thinking – close your eyes – just they will give you they’ll put it back. Now don’t lose it. It’s a very sensitive thing; it’s very subtle and sensitive. If you are gross in any way it will be lost, so be careful. Don’t lose it. Once you lose it, it’s difficult to get it back. So be careful and honour it. And know that it’s a very difficult thing, but it has happened to you so just be there. Right? Left or right? Left problem. All left. Now are you alright? What’s happening? Seeker: Left hand. Shri Mataji: Left? Put your right hand on your heart. Just. Just watch here and try not to think while watching here. He’s got it I think. What about him? He’s got it. He’s got it. He’s got it too. Dekhyee in hindustani ko dekhiye. Aur in logo ko kaise kata kat paar ho rahe hai. Chaliye aakh band kariye bahut padh liya na yehi gad bad hai. Haa. Now. “Ki Maa kya aap shiv ki shakti hai”, aap puchiye. aank khol ke, mujhe dekh ke. danke ki chot par boliye. Puchye Seeker:Ma Kya aap Shiv ki Shakti hai? Ma kya aap Shiva ki Shakti hai? Ma kya aap Shiva ki Shakti hai? Shri Mataji:Kuch to aaya garam hai na, garam hone ka yeh matlab hai ki against hai friction hai. lakin shuruaat ho gaye. Seeker:Ye bhi bata dijiye ki abhyas kaise karna hai. Shri Mataji:Abhi pahle shuruaat to mujhe hi karni padegi Phir aapko pura pura, haa pfir aapko is ki master kara dange. Bilkul master of sahaja yoga Pura isme koi shanka nahi. ek dum purna - sampurna. You see this is the difference, also: for an Indian, if he knows somebody is real, then he goes all out. And he’s a very learned man, that’s the only problem. But that will help him also to understand, later on. How is he? Aap kaunse bhagwaan ko mante hai, zyada? Sabko. Thik hai. Right hand heart par rakhiye. idher beech me. Ek to aap log kaam bahut Mane ek zarurat se zyada kaam karna, imbalance. Andar chudega, andar. Coat ke andar jaaiye haa waha pe theek hai. Jaldi jao mein dekh loongi. Aankh band kar lijiye. Uthao left se utha aur right se. mai chodiye. Is he alright? Agnya. Just ask him to remove his… You were watching? Hamsa. Rustom:Very hot though. He’s very, very hot. And he’s catching on the heart and all the left. He’s been to many gurus, he says. Shri Mataji:You been to many gurus eh? The Kundalini is in the stomach is working out. See, it’s breathing there, in the void. You can see at the back also. Aap bhait jaye. John, John, look after him. Come along, You know how to give Realisation? Aaye, bathiye bhait jaye, bhait jaye. You’ve been to many gurus? Poor thing. Yogi:He says he doesn’t want to mention their names but he’s been to many… Shri Mataji:Horrible! Now, will you please hold my feet? Rub them. If you can rub them. See the breathing, at the back you can see the Kundalini. His Kundalini you can see, at the back. See, it’s moving you can see it. Now you, you come on my feet. Tell him how to do it and we can show them the Kundalini how. Or go on your knees. Ya, now. Bring your hands under my feet. No-no, further, further back, further back, yes. Now put your hands under my feet, yah. Now fully, and put your head down there. Let’s see the Kundalini, now how it moves, see. Let it, Leave it. See. It has gone on the sides. Void. Complete void. It’s going like this you know. Yogis:Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Devon Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat Para Brahma, Shri Mataji Nirmala Ma, Tasmai Guruvai Namo Namaha. Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Devo Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat Para Brahma, Shri Mataji Nirmala Ma, Tasmai Guruvai Namo Namaha. Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Devo Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat Para Brahma, Shri Mataji Nirmala Ma, Tasmai Guruvai Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Ah! Rustom:It’s gone to centre heart now. But the left heart is catching a lot. Shri Mataji:Now say… Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Shiva Parvati Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Ha! Atman paramatman. Yogis:Om twameva sakshat Shri Atman Paramatman Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Kshama Sagaradeva Sagara… Yogis:Om twameva sakshat Shri Kshama Sagaradaya Sagara Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Getting it? Much more now. It’s increased isn’t it? Ha! Rustom: Jagadamba now. Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Ha, ha. Every chakra now? Alright. Now you can say… Jagadamba, Jagadamba. Yogis:Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba – Shri Mataji: Done! Self-realisation. Rustom:I think he’s catching there Mother. Shri Mataji:Take my name, twameva sakshat Shri Nirmala [Rustom] Om Shri Mataji Yogi:Do the Mahamantra? Shri Mataji:See the Kundalini ...Both the sides. Ha. Worked out. Yogis:Om twameva sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat, Shri Sahasrara Swamini Moksha Dayini, Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Om twameva sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat, Shri Sahasrar Swamini Moksha Dayini Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji: He’s got it also. See the depression there. Ha! Yogis:It still catches there. Yes. Still there. Shri Mataji:See for a person like that, remarkable, I must say. He really… Rustom: He’s catching on Rama’s seat a lot. Shri Mataji:Rama. Take I think. Yogis:Om twameva sakshat Shri Sita Rama Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Take the name of Jesus. Take the name of Jesus. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Mary Jesus Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji: Ha! Yogi:You can see it in the centre heart Mother. Shri Mataji: It’s much better. I think he’s got it. Rustom: Shri Chakra. The Shri Chakra. The one… Shri Mataji: Has he got opened his Sahasrara? I think he has. Yogi:It’s partial, it’s very partial, Mother. Shri Mataji:But still. I mean for a person like him – poor man has been to so many horrible gurus. Poor thing, his Sushumna itself is completely… Rustom: The Sushumna is okay though eh? I mean it’s what you’d expect Rustom:Sarva guru raksha. (Laughter) Sarva asatya guru! Mardini. Shri Mataji:Sarva Asatya Guru Mardini, Ha! Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Sarva Asatya Guru Mardini Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Once more. Yogis:Om twameva sakshat, Shri Sarva Asatya Guru Mardini Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Rustom:A lot of heat. Very hot. Shri Mataji: Too much thinking. See the heat. Sardi bahut hai na, lag raha hai .. aapko aaraha hai haat mein thanda? Hoi gai ye to paar. Sudha inko dekho. Aap sikhiyega saab ko aap jaldi se paar ho jaiye. Aur sab ko sikhayie. sab ye to bhaite hain seekhne ke kiye. itna seekh gaya hai ki kamaal tho dekhe in logon ko. Dekhiye, hum jo nahi samjha sake vaha, yeha samjha rahe hai. vidhi to bata rahi hoon. haat aisa rakhiye. Sudha, kya bete? Left? Uthaon, left. Ha! I think he’s done. It’s broken. Rustom: Now it’s done, now. Just the last bit is there. Shri Mataji: This one is the perfection! Ok chalo pura paar ho gaye hain. Vahi brahmin ho, vahi vidh. Done! Feeling better? Lets see… Lets see now – all your gurus, everything. Aha. How are you feeling? A little cold? Sab ka lutkay aap ke desh guruoane. Ye ladka hai uske. Lakhaon kha de. Khane ko paisa de. maheshyogi aap ki. Rustom: Hm, he’s done now. It comes out. Shri Mataji:It’s alright. You got it little bit eh? Feeling it? Ah, good, good. Now, you see, because you have been to all these horrid people, you have to a work little hard eh? You don’t mind clearing them. We’ll tell you how to do it but you have to cleanse, alright? They are there, horrible things. How much money you have given them? (Laughing) Were you flying also? He was flying also. Aur mantra kya diya? Aur mantra kya diya. “Ainga”. Bataiye Ye koi mantra hai. Aise tamasha inhone kare. Meko bilkul gareeb hai. Paise noch noch ke. Dusht the. Maha Dhust. Ab uta ke le jayenge gathri bhand bhand ke ,bataiye aap. Aap right hand yehan rakhiye, kya hai, Kaaran teek ho raha. Karan bhi teek ho raha. Left side hai na? Emotionally problem hai. Rustom:He comes from Indonesia, Mataji. Shri Mataji: Is it? Rustom:Lord Rama went there. Shri Mataji:No, No. He doesn’t, he must be there isn’t it? No, Buddhist. Hindu, Ha? Christian? Mixture! Doesn’t matter. Better now, you see? Are you feeling better now; are you feeling the cool breeze? Only there. And in this one? [Indonesian:] No. Yogi:Look how he’s sweating. Shri Mataji:He’ll work it out, alright? Let him stand here and put the right hand outside left hand towards me, just…. You’ll have to work it out but you must have patience, alright? Ha Let us see this lady. Come along, come forward. She’s just gone eh? Sitting down is a problem but what to do your Caxton hall people are like that. Just come forward. What? Can you remove your headdress? She’s got it. Lady: But what’s wrong with that? Shri Mataji: You are not be identified with it, you see? You are your Spirit, neither ego nor superego, neither your conditioning nor your ego. See? That’s the point. All the problems of the West is due to ego-orientation. Everything goes well here, whatever you may do. If you want to cut your nose: they’ll cut their noses. All the idiocity they will do in the name, “Why? We like it so we are doing it.” But it is idiotic. Ha, left Nabhi. Rustom:Left Nabhi, However it’s mainly here, these two. That’s why it’s not going to down… Shri Mataji:Been to some guru? No? No one like that. Thank God! Rustom:The sushumna blocks just below the arm here… Shri Mataji:What do you do? What job you are doing? Seeker: In office, entering things into computer. Rustom: Swadishthanas are both very hot. And Mooladhara’s also hot a bit. Shri Mataji: Are you alright? (Laughing) No, you have found it now. But now you must master it. Otherwise it is no use, you see. So, you come along next Monday I’ll be here – Is there any other program we are having? Yogi: Harrow. Yogi:Wednesday we are having Harrow,. Thursday at Twickenham.. John Watkinson: Friday at Enfield. Yogi: That’s where he comes from! Shri Mataji:But I must say I cannot go on Thursday. Friday I’ll be there. I’m sorry. Twickenham I won’t be able to do. Seeker: Monday you are here? Shri Mataji: Monday I will be here. Seeker: At this same place? Shri Mataji: Yes, same place. Monday. He’s getting it. Rustom: He also has the Kartikeya’s problems. Shri Mataji: Close your eyes. You have pain here? No pain? No colds?

"Realisation is not of the Intellect”, Public Programme. Caxton Hall, London, England. 3 December 1979. Thanks for the nice talk he gave. And also I thank all of you for coming down here. In his frantic effort of explaining to you that you have to get something here, is the expression of his own experiences about himself. He had problems of the same style as you had. And he knows that if you go on analysing things with your brain and with your intellect then you are going to delay. And because he knows what mistakes one may commit, and he has also seen so many doing that, that’s why he’s trying to tell you that, “At least if we have committed mistakes you be cautioned and you learn from our mistakes and try to come up fast and listen to it and take it.” Now the seekers are there, as you know, but, as he says, they have labelled themselves as seekers: “We are seekers”. And they are so proud of seeking, that he himself has told me, that now they do not want to give up seeking even if they find it. It’s a very funny situation and I said, “Why is it so, that?” He says “No, you form a sort of a habit. Then you don’t want to give up the habit because you’ll go into sort of a funny situation if you give up the habit. And that’s why they just want to continue with it even if they have found it. I mean, all kinds of complicated situations we have faced so far. But a simple thing is this – very simple thing – is to understand that there is something beyond which we are seeking. The beyond is the Self within us is the Spirit. The Spirit that resides in our heart. And this Spirit has to come into our conscious understanding. We know there is someone who is watching us who knows all about it. But He is not in our conscious mind: means we cannot see through Him. He sees us. We look at Him as something hidden behind the curtains. But now how to remove that curtain and to become one with that? By becoming one with that, what happens is that you get connected to the mains and to the whole, of which you are part and parcel. The whole universe, the whole creation is a part and parcel of one organic Being. Through our ignorance we start thinking that we are separated from it. Till we are animal stage we are going according to the will of the Nature and we do not have the freedom, so in a way we are one with that Divine force, but we are not aware of it. Only in the human stage, it is said that you will become aware of it. It’s said in all the scriptures: like Koran, like Bible, like Vedas, like Gita – which is a part of Veda you can say. Also great sages all over the world, right from Moses, Abraham, Socrates, Lao Tse. In India: Janaka, Nanaka, Vasishta. Later on people like, we can say in the history, about 6th century, we had a very great saint or a great personality or an incarnation like Shankaracharya. All these people have been talking about your second birth; that you are to be born again. Unless and until you are born again you are not a Christian, you are not a Hindu you are not a Muslim. Keep it one name. There are ten names to one thing for ‘twice born’. So it boils down to one simple point that you are to be born again. You are born again and again. From amoeba to this stage you are born again and again. There must be something continuous otherwise how do you improve onto it? So you reach a stage which is called as human being and now here it is said that you are to be born again. Only in this stage – when you’re born again – it is in your own consciousness. All other stages you never felt how you are born again and again. And this feeling that you are seeking, that you have to seek something, comes to you from the unconscious because you are to be born again. And unless and until that happens to you, you are not going to feel happy. Like anything that is made, any instrument that is made, if it is not put to the mains it doesn’t work – it has no meaning. And when you find life meaningless you turn to seeking. But the One who has created you, so far, has made you a human being from amoeba, has made arrangements for it. What are the arrangements he had made within us for our germination for our second birth is shown in this figure. I am today talking to people because there are lots of people who are new, and they should be able to follow it up that we have all these arrangements within ourselves. Now this is not so complicated as we make it. If you think by reading about it you are going to have it, we have had many readers, so far. I mean we have books and books and books. We never read to breathe. We never read to have a human existence. We just have it. In the same way if you have to have your Realisation you are not going to read about it. It has to be something spontaneous, Sahaja, is born with you: “Saha-ja”. “Saha” means “with” and “Ja” is “born.” It is with you, within you. It is said everywhere. Everybody has said it is within you. Now where is it? The Spirit is in the heart. But where is the germinating power? I am sorry for this but this is what it is. Poor Cooly has vanished in thin air! He’s feeling very, Cooly has kept outside. I’m sorry, but today is the first day we have such a small room, you know. (Laughing) I’m sorry for this we have. Sit down, sit. I think leave the door open otherwise it’ll bang at you. You can sit here. Marcus you can come done here in front. Nahi nahi mere ke kene. Tuhi koi ayega to khol lega, khule honee kije ke rakhiye, bas. Ha, just now. They’ll come, they know. They’ll all come. They’ll find out after all. Jab koi ayega, then you should be able to move out. This is what I am saying. Actually in Sahaja Yoga we have very tall people with long legs (laughing) and they find it difficult to fold them up you see. Now, as we have got this being without any difficulties, it’s nothing serious about it: it’s just there. It’s the play of God’s desire. We have got it. In the same way our Realisation is also going to work out with that living force which has brought forth this human being. Now that living force has also, within us, through our evolution, has created all this. These are all different centres which are subtle centres, which are, we can say, the undercurrents of our being. These centres you cannot see with your naked eyes, because they are placed either in the spinal cord or in the brain. But they do give rise to gross centres outside. Now these centres are beautifully placed and the first one with the four petals is called as Mooladhara Chakra. Now this centre is placed below the Kundalini. Now mark, this is a very important point: it is placed below the Kundalini. This represents the material side or we can say the matter that is within us, is the Earth element within us, is the jada (inanimate matter) as they call it. Is the - ‘dead’ is a bad word - but, I would say, the thing that is not yet been awakened. The mother element of Earth is there, higher, but this is the child element – that is the innocence – is placed. The embodiment of innocence is placed under the Kundalini. That is called as Mooladhara Chakra, and which controls also our sex. It gives rise to pelvic plexus which also has got four sub-plexuses. Now it is interesting to note that it is placed under the Kundalini, so if the Kundalini has to rise She doesn’t go through this. So sex has nothing to do with Kundalini rising. Only thing is that, when the message from your hands when you are placing your hands towards me, the message – please sit with your hands like this – the message that there is somebody who can raise the Kundalini, or the message to the Kundalini or invitation to the Kundalini, goes through your fingers, down, here, passes through these two lines that you see, and informs that Deity which is sitting down there, who is Shri Ganesha; Who when [he] awakens and informs the Kundalini which is the Mother of Ganesha, Gauri, sitting in the triangular bone; which they call as a three-and-a-half coiled serpent, because it has got itself in a shape of a serpent. It is three and a half coil. It has also got a very great mathematical significance: three-and-a-half. Now this power is the germinating power. Now it is called as the residual power. Means after creating the whole binda, the whole zygote of a human being, still it remains the full. This is the power that we call the Mahakali power, because it is the power of desire of God. He desires that you should get your Realisation. The desire of God is expressed within us through this Left Side power which you see, left side channel, is called as the Mahakali power. As long as He desires we exist and as soon as He doesn’t want, we do not exist. So the Left Side gives rise to our desires and also looks after our emotional side. Means it is not yet materialised. The second power you see on the right hand side, yellow one, is the power to create. This is called as Mahasaraswati power. In the Sanskrit language these are expressed very clearly. We can call it the creative power. The creative power of God descends within us, through this, and is effective in giving us creative powers: of thinking power, of mental effort, and physical effort. So we put in our mental and physical efforts through this power which is called as Mahasaraswati power. In the centre is the power which is called as the evolutionary power which as you can see has gaps. And this is the power of Mahalakshmi power, which is not yet fully connected. This is the gap. So we have three powers. In the same way, in the gross, we have three autonomous nervous systems. The one on the left is called as the left sympathetic, one on the right as the right sympathetic and the centre is called as the parasympathetic. Now, left sympathetic acts for our emotions, the right acts for our physical and mental efforts, and the central acts for our coordination, for our balancing and for supply of this power, vital power. But as these two side powers, left and right, start working, as a by-product of these two powers we develop two very big balloons in our head which can be called as ego and superego: one is yellow coloured another is [the] blue colour and they cross over. Because of this the head gets covered and we get separated. The fontanel bone here gets calcified and you become Mr. X and another becomes Mr. Y and another becomes Mr. Z. Now you are separated from that All-pervading Power, because now you have to know it in your consciousness. Then you start seeking. It is something like this we can understand that evolution could not go any further. Like a little chick, bird, which does not know how to fly. So the mother hides herself somewhere and starts calling. Ultimately the chick bird gets the confidence and flies towards the mother. Because you have to know what this power is, you have to know how to manoeuvre this and you have to know how to enjoy this power of God which He wants to bestow upon you. By this power the whole universe is ruled; is the power of divine love. It exists. It is everywhere and after Realisation you are surprised that you become, again I say ‘you become’, you are actualised. It is no lecturing that you have to be this and have to be that. It actually happens within you that you be collectively conscious: means you can start feeling others on your fingers as shown there. And you get Self-realisation by which you see within yourself what you are. You start seeing your chakras within yourself, one by one, and you can correct it and you can correct the chakras of others also. Now I agree it’s a very difficult task, as they say. But some experts may be there, some masters could be there. For example, once upon a time, even to come to London from India was of course an impossibility. Even to go from Bombay to Banaras, people would sell out their houses, everything, and everybody would cry as if they are going to die on the way - it was that impossible, it was so very slow. But as the time has moved you have got now aeroplanes and you are going to the moon. In the same way, the Kundalini shastra has improved so much that today we have among ourselves, thousands of Sahaj Yogis in India who just get their Realisation in thousands, in thousands. In the cities of course there is a problem because people are very complicated. In the West they get their Realisation very fast, no doubt, because they are real seekers, no doubt, but they lose it equally fast. The reason is: once they get their Realisation as usual they must have read some books of analysis of some psychologist [such as] Mr. Bowen - I have heard recently [this] name - and they go home and start analysing. Once you start analysing it’s finished. You cannot analyse it. I am talking of synthesis. And if you start analysing it, the living thing is finished. Supposing you have to analyse this finger, just think like that, you cut it from here first of all, then you open it out one by one and see for yourself what is inside this. Here I am talking of synthesis. Moreover one should know: by thinking you have not got it, by analysing you have not got it, you have just got it spontaneously. So why should you analyse it? You should employ the methods which are synthesising you, [which] are putting your whole being in one line or you can say in one thread [so] that all your diversified temperaments and beings are just fixed together, that you become one with the whole, that you become completely relaxed. As I gave one example – which many people like it very much – that some people were told not to take too much luggage on their heads and in an aeroplane they went, and they said that you shouldn’t take too much luggage on the aeroplane. They put back their luggage on their heads thinking that aeroplane may be feeling more weight for that, so they were trying to reduce the weight of the aeroplane. In the same way we are trying to reduce the weight of the aeroplane. The One who has created us, the One who has made us human being is going to make us that great. But Mr. Ego says, “No how can it be? I must do it myself.” You cannot. You cannot even transform one flower into a fruit. And we must accept: we have done nothing living, what we have done is all dead. Like creating this building now: is all dead; from dead to dead; just changing forms. So if the smallest living thing God has to do then this thing He has to do. And He’d better do it. For Him it is better that He does it, otherwise He will lose His own significance and meaning to His Creation. But what we have done in our freedom, is like, you were asked to sit in a small little boat, and we were about to cross, while everybody started jumping in the sea. For nothing at all you started going on to the left side or to the right side. If it came to crying, weeping and troubling yourself, destroying, self-destroying, you did everything that was possible under the sun. Then when it came to destroying others you did everything that was possible under the sun. So either to the right or to the left we have been going a bit too much, and that is why we have to correct that point. That correction also one can do with Kundalini awakening. Everything is possible and it has to happen. It has happened to thousands and should happen. You can see with your naked eyes the movement of the Kundalini. But in some places it is so fast that you just start feeling cool breeze flowing for your hand. It is said in the Bible that from the Holy Ghost you get cool breeze. It is said. Of course, I mean in the Indian scriptures you know that they are full of it. There’s a very beautiful shloka of Shri Shankaracharya, he says “Saleelam, Saleelam”: a cool breeze starts flowing. He calls it as “Chaitanya Lahari,” he calls it as “Saundarya Lahari,” he calls it as “Ananda Lahari.” But many things happen when the Kundalini rises. It is not just [that it] happens that Kundalini straight off comes into it. What you call the pranalay, manalay: all these things takes place, all the Raja Yoga takes place within yourself, the bandas takes place and then the Kundalini comes up. But it comes so fast that you do not feel any one of them. This is why this is Maha Yoga stage of Sahaj Yoga. Maha Yoga stage because, at this stage you meet. Till you have not met me, you have not met me. Maybe you might have come up to Victoria or even up to this place and if you have not met me you have not met me. So if you have to meet me, then that moment when you meet me is the real point. If you have not met me, till that moment it has no meaning. In the same way all yogas are useless, if there is no Maha Yoga. So, the time of Maha Yoga has come and you have to get it and it has to work out. It is as simple as that. That’s why Gregoire is very frantic because he knows that you should take it because he has been to many gurus. Most of them have been to gurus and all sort of things they have been to, and they have suffered a lot. They have gone through hell with this have really suffered a lot. They know that what they have gone through by going to gurus. And that’s why they are frantic, that, “Please now give up all that!” For this you cannot pay, because this is love of God and you cannot pay for the love of God. You cannot pay for the love of God, is no question. Because it is insulting on the contrary, I think, that we think of paying. And anybody who talks of these things is a nonsensical fellow, is absolutely nonsensical. So first of all you get your Realisation. Then one problem arises which I must tell you, which I have seen happening, apart from analysis and all that. The one problem that arises is that you start facing yourself. First of all some of you who have harmed yourself. Like the other day we had a gentleman who has been to a spiritualist. Now they look very harmless you see spiritualist people. But they very harmful people. Poor fellow, he had all kinds of diseases and everything when he came to me. And he has been to the spiritualist church. Now spiritualists are nothing but absolutely, what you can call them, they are the people who put possessions into you. So he was completely possessed. Apart from diseases he could not sleep and he was getting hallucinations and jumping out of his bed, and was feeling that his body is leaving him and he’s going anywhere else. All kinds of complications he had. So, when he got his Realisation, he started feeling pins and needles first of all, when he put his hands towards me. In the hand pins and needles and things like that. He got a fright. I said “Why? Face it,” because that is the problem. In the light you start seeing everything. If there is no light everything is black, well and good, no problem. If this sari is not clean you cannot see if there are any spots. But as soon as you clean this all the permanent spots you can see clearly. In the same way you start seeing them. Once you see them there is nothing to be frightened. Because you must know that now you are separated from yourself, which was dirtied which was spoiled which was aggressed. That personality is separated from you, believe me. And then it is very easy to cleanse that. You have to be a little bit patient with yourself. Of course I am very patient no doubt. But you have to be patient. Sometimes it happens that, if the problem is there, you start facing it in the way that you may see that - now this finger is catching, this finger is catching, “I’m getting heat from these two fingers Mother, now what does that mean? I’m not getting cool all over?” That means something. These two fingers denote two chakras. And if there is a problem in these centres you can be cured. You can be alright. So this Kundalini not only connects you with the Absolute, but gives you all absolute spiritual values. After that if you want to ask questions, say, “Is there God?” Immediately cool breeze will start flowing. The rapport is established. You are one with the Absolute. Unless and until you have absolute, you cannot decide about anything. Whatever you decide is nothing but relative. And all relative values are confusing. You do not know whether it is right or wrong. For example now if I give you a ring like that, you will say “Alright, it is ring, this thing this thing. It is so much price this.” That’s all, finished. Somebody will say “It is nice,” somebody will say “I don’t like it,” Somebody will say “is yes it’s good, but this…” Depending on if you are French, if you are Indian or English. But, if you are a realised-soul, you will immediately know it is Mataji’s ring, all of you. How? Even if it is kept here and they’ll know Mataji’s ring is somewhere here. How? Because there will be vibrations oozing out. And you will know that these vibrations cannot be from anybody else but Mataji’s ring. You’ll be amazed, we went to Kashmir and we were going in a car and suddenly in a jungle I felt tremendous vibrations. And I told my husband, “There must be some sort of a big temple here or must be some living Deity that has come out of the Earth, must be something.” So I asked the driver, “Is there any temple?” He said, “No temple here. There’s no Temple.” I said, “No, it’s not possible there must be something.” So I said, “Alright you follow this way,” and we went nearer and nearer and it became hotter and hotter, in the sense cooler and cooler, because you start feeling cooling with the vibrations. And amazement came to me. The driver said, “Yes, that is true, there is a big place here called as ‘Hazrat-bal,’ and one hair of Mohammed Sahib is kept here.” And when we went in, they were very kind to me, suddenly I don’t know what happened to them, they didn’t ask me I was Hindu, Muslim or anything, just took us inside and everything. And I was just in full enjoyment of that place, with one hair of Mohammad Sahib. So the whole value is decided and judged on vibrations. So you get a new awareness which is called as vibratory awareness. So your awareness itself is enlightened. Means, the word that is used in Sanskrit for enlightenment is ‘pra’. You are prabuddha. Your awareness becomes enlightened. That you start seeing the things, or feeling the things, which are absolute, and knowing which are not. So your whole priorities change. And you become a dynamic personality, absolutely dynamic, because your powers start flowing, and you get such a big, canvas or you can say spectrum to work with. As Gregoire has told you that I’m a very good cook, yes. I’m a very good housewife and I’m good at thousand and one thing. And also I run a big organisation of Sahaja Yoga and all those things I do. (cassette side 2: Cassette label indicates side 2 as “afternoon session.”) Come along. I wish, Djamel you had brought one of your aeroplanes here! Come along. Is there somebody else coming in? Please come in. Come, come here Djamel. He’s coming from Algeria. Hello. Come along, come along, come along. Hello… come along, sit down. I’m sorry! You see this is the mess in which we are today, thanks to Caxton hall. Ha aap log agar samne bhatjai, tho acha ho ga baisab. Aap jar hai? Acha ho aye ham pyas peeka aajao. Haa. lekin bahut soch ke puchega. Waje ye hai ki, koi… prashna aisa hona chahiye, ki, ha kyonki usse agar dimag logo ka uchal jaye, chiita gar unka, uchal jaye tho cheek nahi kyonki bas soch vich, nazuk kaam hai. Aap samaj hai? Ha. Kyonki is me puchne ka kuch hai nahi banne ki baat. Ugar ban jaye, tho ban jaye. Aur nahi bane to nahi bane. Aisa hai iska haal. Waise tho aapke sare savalon ko mein javab de doon gi. Par is vaje sime ker hi hoon kin ka chitta ek dam se doosre jagah le jayega. Banake cheez le jaa rahe hai. Thik? Now he wanted to ask some questions so I have requested him that just now don’t ask me questions because just now I am putting your attention to something, your attention may be diverted. And I don’t mind any number of questions, you know that I have answered thousand and one, and I don’t mind answering, but that’s not going to give us the Realisation. What is it we want is Realisation, first of all. Let us work it out and then we’ll talk about it. Because in darkness what is the question. In light then we’ll talk. In light you can see better, then we’ll talk about it. First let us have the light. So now we come to the end of our lecture for today. I have given an introduction. The questions that are going into your minds I know. One of them is, of those who have come now, is that they have heard horrible things about Kundalini. I have to tell you that those people who have no right, no authority to raise Kundalini, if they raise the Kundalini there is a problem. They have to be absolutely holy pure people: veetaraga (वीतराग) as it is called. Sahaj Yogis is different, they have a special authority, but normally they have to be very highly evolved people to raise the Kundalini. If they try any tricks the Ganesha who is sitting there in the first chakra gets annoyed and they have complications. So if, supposing, a person like me who is naive who doesn’t understand what is this instrument (microphone) is and tries to do something about it, it will only break it. In the same way, people break that Kundalini, they break that instrument, and we have had a very bad time correcting it. But why ask such a question also? Supposing it is easy why not have it? I mean that should be the normal reaction. Why should we say that, “It is said that it is very difficult”? Alright, maybe, but we are going to do it fast, so why not? Lets have it! That should be normal attitude, isn’t it? But human beings are very funny that way, isn’t it? Because supposing I say, “There’s a diamond here free for you, come along, have it.” They’ll come all the way from Australia! Then why not for this? So, I would request you to get your Realisation first. If you think too much about it or if you analyse it, it will not work out. My idea is that you should get it. And that’s why I’m telling you, to take it easy. Do not take it in a frantic way. Just leave it alone, it will work out. It’s just like germinating a seed. It’s like just enlightening a lamp. One candle which is enlightened can enlighten another candle. But supposing the other candle is all the time falling this way, that way, or if the attention of the other candle is not alright, then how do you enlighten it? So keep the attention in the centre, it will work out. The most important thing is that you should get it otherwise what is it? That life has no meaning. This is what you are here for so you should get it. If you don’t get it, then we’ll find out the question or the problem. Alright? Now don’t put your mind into a questioning style, but just let it go. Let it go, let it work out. Now here there are at least 60% people who are realised souls – among you, sitting. Or I would say 70%. And those who know all about Kundalini, raising of the Kundalini, everything they know. They have seen Kundalini rising. Now you have to be one of them. Today is a very international gathering here. We have people from France, we have people from Switzerland, we have people from Algeria, we have people from America and all over the people have come today. Somehow it’s a very great day. And it should work out with all these great saints coming here it should work out. So just expose yourself and it would work out. You must know one thing that I cannot take anything from you. I cannot receive. My nature is not to receive but just to give. So you take it from me. It’s a gift. Just take it, and have it, and enjoy it! This is what you have been seeking, not [only] in this life but many lives before and the time has come and chance has come, so better have it. Do not miss this. That’s what I have to request you. So please put your hands like that. Just like that. Just like that. Very beautiful people have come today. I don’t know where were they before. I just missed them. Just simple hands like this. You can close your eyes if you can. Some people can’t close: they get a flickering of the eyes. If you do not get any flicker please keep your eyes closed. If you are getting flickering of the eyes then please open them. Something is wrong with the centre here (Agyna) if you cannot keep your eyes closed. You can’t close your eyes? Are you getting flickering? Can you close? Put your forehead little open for me to see - forehead. Just like this. You will start feeling cool breeze in your hand. To begin with if you watch your thoughts, there is no thought, you will find you are thoughtless. This is the Nirvichar Samadhi, is established. ‘Samadhi’ means ‘awareness that is enlightened’ and ‘Nirvichar’ means ‘thoughtless’. This is the first one that comes to you. Second one which comes to you is Nirvikalpa, which means ‘doubtless’. You know how it works, how you manoeuvre it. How you go about it. You practice it. Come along. Yogi:Should some of us go outside, Mother? Shri Mataji:Just now we have space. When the space becomes that impossible you can go. If you have love we can do with much less space, you see. And if you don’t have love, even big mansions are not sufficient for one man. Just put your hands like that, just like this, simple, absolutely simple. Heart. Now we have to forgive others. That is very important in Sahaja Yoga. We have to forgive others. First of all let us forgive others. Then we have to forgive ourselves also, because we find lots of faults with ourselves. That’s a modern fashion. Know that you are that beautiful thing which is the source of truth, joy and awareness. And now you have to also ask for forgiveness, if you have done any mistakes by doing something to extremes or disobeying the laws of nature. Anything like that, if you have done, you have to ask for forgiveness. Ask for forgiveness, will help very much. God is so generous, so compassionate, so kind, that He forgives us for all that we have done against Him, all that we have done neglecting Him, ignoring Him, His importance. Forget the past and don’t worry about the future, because the past is over and the future doesn’t exist. You have to jump in between the two; which will happen to you it just will happen. That you’ll become thoughtless to begin with: there would be no thought in your mind, to begin with. And then we’ll start feeling the cool breeze coming from your hand. Today in a session, in the morning time, at least 90% of people felt the cool breeze. 90% people felt it. But do not condemn yourself if you are not feeling, may be something wrong physically, mentally, something wrong somewhere, which we have to correct. Left. Please forgive. Will you all say Lord’s Prayer, I think that will improve a lot. Will you please open the door a little of this window please? (Everyone says Lord’s Prayer) Shri Mataji:Again. Thrice. (Yogis repeat Lord’s Prayer) Shri Mataji:Ha. You can say the Sahasrara mantra. Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalakshmi Shri Mahasaraswati Shri Mahakali Trigunatmika, Adi Kundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Mataji:Sahasrara Swamini, Moksha Dayini Yogis:Shri Sahasrara Swamini Moksha Dayini Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha Yogi:It’s very cool. Shri Mataji:Hmm. Worked out. Hm? Superego. Mahakaliche mhanaiche (Marathi: You should say Mahakali mantra). Yogis:Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahakali Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namaha. Shri Mataji:You should not doubt much because your attention will be disturbed by doubting. For a while just don’t doubt. We’ll have a lot of time to do that later on. Alright? All those who are feeling cool breeze in the hand, raise your hands. All! Great! Now, put down your hands please. Those who have come today and are getting the cool breeze please raise your hands: today. It’s great. Good. Those who have come today and are not getting the cool breeze please raise your hands. Are not getting. You are getting the cool breeze? No. Please raise your hands. Those who have come today and are not getting the cool breeze, please raise your hands. Please! He’s getting the cool breeze? Are you getting? Don’t think about it, alright? Just don’t think then you’ll lose it. Just don’t think. You are getting the cool breeze? Good. Are you getting the cool breeze? Great! I must say, great people got it. See, very great people are there. Who is that? Alright just a little bit if you can move a little, one more is needed. May God bless you! See this. Ha! Those who are not getting the cool breeze again please raise your hands. Alright. Can I request you to come forward please? Please, come forward. Please. Aaye samne aayenge. The rest of them should move back. Now you all should those who have got cool breeze and who have come today, please sit down in meditation at the back, and go into it deeply just enjoy it. This is yours is it? Just sit down. But you have got it, You haven’t touched the Realisation? Small girl: Shall I stay at this end? I want to stay at this end. Shri Mataji: This end? Alright, you stay this end, is alright. What have you been thinking? You’ll lose all your vibrations. You had such a lot. You’ve been thinking about it, is it? Man: I think it’s a bit cooler here near the door. Djamel: He wonders whether what he feels comes from the door. Shri Mataji:Now don’t waste it on small things like that. Now. What does he want to take her? Alright, she has to go too. She’s better now. How are you now, better now? Better. Yes, yes take her. May god bless you. Take her. Are you going with? No. Hm. How will you go, how will you go there? Man: Mother we not very far away. Shri Mataji:Is it? Alright. May God bless you. Are you comfortable there? If need anything let me know. Blankets or anything? Lady: No we have. Shri Mataji:You have got? Lady: Yes. Shri Mataji: Alright. May God bless you. Aise rakhega. Ye aage sarak. Now you close your eyes. Those who have got Realisation don’t think about it just keep yourself there and feel it. This is the greatest thing that has happened to you. Because it has happened so simple and in such a miraculous way you are not understanding the importance of it. Just close your eyes. You haven’t got the cool breeze, both of you? You got it? Good! You are real seekers, I must say. Alright. Close your eyes and enjoy it. Come along. Close it. Then I will teach you what it is, what it means. This lady she’s got it cool breeze? It’s good! Great! I must say. Great people you are. Just close your eyes and meditate don’t think about it. Just I will teach you everything. See this gentleman somebody has to. Christine? (Shri Mataji responds to a man speaking Hindi:) Haa accha yaad aaya mujhe, Kahiye kya haal hai. Accha aap aaram se bathiye, aaram se. Ankhen band karega? Now what is it, where is he catching? On the left? Koi guru hote nahi, kya gaye to kabhi? Man: Kabhi nahi. Shri Mataji: Kabhi nahi. Kisi ke paas nahi gaye Inko do. Sudha. Just see him. Keep your eyes shut, is better. Bas choona nahi, phir tum pakad lete. Nahi, you just do it, tell me where is the problem? You haven’t got it? Lady: I can feel it but I don’t know if it’s the window I can feel. Shri Mataji: Oh no, don’t you worry. You see it is not the window. It’s Good, good. Now you go into yourself. Now don’t doubt yourself. Close your eyes. Why shouldn’t you get it? Everybody’s getting. Close your eyes. Close your eyes all of you. And you are going to learn it, alright? You are going to learn how to do it, you have to do it for others also. Just enjoy, enjoy. Close your eyes. Enjoy yourself. Now forget about everybody else. Just enjoy, close your eyes and enjoy. And then you are going to go into it. It’s a very deep feeling. Close your eyes. Raise their Kundalinis all of them, those who have got also. Raise their Kundalinis so that they feel it deeper. Those who have got, raise their Kundalinis also. Close, keep your eyes. Don’t touch them. Just close your eyes please. Have you got the cool breeze? Have you felt the cool breeze? Lost it again? Now what are you thinking – close your eyes – just they will give you they’ll put it back. Now don’t lose it. It’s a very sensitive thing; it’s very subtle and sensitive. If you are gross in any way it will be lost, so be careful. Don’t lose it. Once you lose it, it’s difficult to get it back. So be careful and honour it. And know that it’s a very difficult thing, but it has happened to you so just be there. Right? Left or right? Left problem. All left. Now are you alright? What’s happening? Seeker: Left hand. Shri Mataji: Left? Put your right hand on your heart. Just. Just watch here and try not to think while watching here. He’s got it I think. What about him? He’s got it. He’s got it. He’s got it too. Dekhyee in hindustani ko dekhiye. Aur in logo ko kaise kata kat paar ho rahe hai. Chaliye aakh band kariye bahut padh liya na yehi gad bad hai. Haa. Now. “Ki Maa kya aap shiv ki shakti hai”, aap puchiye. aank khol ke, mujhe dekh ke. danke ki chot par boliye. Puchye Seeker:Ma Kya aap Shiv ki Shakti hai? Ma kya aap Shiva ki Shakti hai? Ma kya aap Shiva ki Shakti hai? Shri Mataji:Kuch to aaya garam hai na, garam hone ka yeh matlab hai ki against hai friction hai. lakin shuruaat ho gaye. Seeker:Ye bhi bata dijiye ki abhyas kaise karna hai. Shri Mataji:Abhi pahle shuruaat to mujhe hi karni padegi Phir aapko pura pura, haa pfir aapko is ki master kara dange. Bilkul master of sahaja yoga Pura isme koi shanka nahi. ek dum purna - sampurna. You see this is the difference, also: for an Indian, if he knows somebody is real, then he goes all out. And he’s a very learned man, that’s the only problem. But that will help him also to understand, later on. How is he? Aap kaunse bhagwaan ko mante hai, zyada? Sabko. Thik hai. Right hand heart par rakhiye. idher beech me. Ek to aap log kaam bahut Mane ek zarurat se zyada kaam karna, imbalance. Andar chudega, andar. Coat ke andar jaaiye haa waha pe theek hai. Jaldi jao mein dekh loongi. Aankh band kar lijiye. Uthao left se utha aur right se. mai chodiye. Is he alright? Agnya. Just ask him to remove his… You were watching? Hamsa. Rustom:Very hot though. He’s very, very hot. And he’s catching on the heart and all the left. He’s been to many gurus, he says. Shri Mataji:You been to many gurus eh? The Kundalini is in the stomach is working out. See, it’s breathing there, in the void. You can see at the back also. Aap bhait jaye. John, John, look after him. Come along, You know how to give Realisation? Aaye, bathiye bhait jaye, bhait jaye. You’ve been to many gurus? Poor thing. Yogi:He says he doesn’t want to mention their names but he’s been to many… Shri Mataji:Horrible! Now, will you please hold my feet? Rub them. If you can rub them. See the breathing, at the back you can see the Kundalini. His Kundalini you can see, at the back. See, it’s moving you can see it. Now you, you come on my feet. Tell him how to do it and we can show them the Kundalini how. Or go on your knees. Ya, now. Bring your hands under my feet. No-no, further, further back, further back, yes. Now put your hands under my feet, yah. Now fully, and put your head down there. Let’s see the Kundalini, now how it moves, see. Let it, Leave it. See. It has gone on the sides. Void. Complete void. It’s going like this you know. Yogis:Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Devon Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat Para Brahma, Shri Mataji Nirmala Ma, Tasmai Guruvai Namo Namaha. Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Devo Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat Para Brahma, Shri Mataji Nirmala Ma, Tasmai Guruvai Namo Namaha. Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu, Guru Devo Maheshwara, Guru Sakshat Para Brahma, Shri Mataji Nirmala Ma, Tasmai Guruvai Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Ah! Rustom:It’s gone to centre heart now. But the left heart is catching a lot. Shri Mataji:Now say… Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Shiva Parvati Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Ha! Atman paramatman. Yogis:Om twameva sakshat Shri Atman Paramatman Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Kshama Sagaradeva Sagara… Yogis:Om twameva sakshat Shri Kshama Sagaradaya Sagara Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Getting it? Much more now. It’s increased isn’t it? Ha! Rustom: Jagadamba now. Shri Mataji: (Laughing) Ha, ha. Every chakra now? Alright. Now you can say… Jagadamba, Jagadamba. Yogis:Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba, Jagadamba – Shri Mataji: Done! Self-realisation. Rustom:I think he’s catching there Mother. Shri Mataji:Take my name, twameva sakshat Shri Nirmala [Rustom] Om Shri Mataji Yogi:Do the Mahamantra? Shri Mataji:See the Kundalini ...Both the sides. Ha. Worked out. Yogis:Om twameva sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat, Shri Sahasrara Swamini Moksha Dayini, Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Om twameva sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat, Shri Sahasrar Swamini Moksha Dayini Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji: He’s got it also. See the depression there. Ha! Yogis:It still catches there. Yes. Still there. Shri Mataji:See for a person like that, remarkable, I must say. He really… Rustom: He’s catching on Rama’s seat a lot. Shri Mataji:Rama. Take I think. Yogis:Om twameva sakshat Shri Sita Rama Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Take the name of Jesus. Take the name of Jesus. Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Mary Jesus Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji: Ha! Yogi:You can see it in the centre heart Mother. Shri Mataji: It’s much better. I think he’s got it. Rustom: Shri Chakra. The Shri Chakra. The one… Shri Mataji: Has he got opened his Sahasrara? I think he has. Yogi:It’s partial, it’s very partial, Mother. Shri Mataji:But still. I mean for a person like him – poor man has been to so many horrible gurus. Poor thing, his Sushumna itself is completely… Rustom: The Sushumna is okay though eh? I mean it’s what you’d expect Rustom:Sarva guru raksha. (Laughter) Sarva asatya guru! Mardini. Shri Mataji:Sarva Asatya Guru Mardini, Ha! Yogis: Om twameva sakshat Shri Sarva Asatya Guru Mardini Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Shri Mataji:Once more. Yogis:Om twameva sakshat, Shri Sarva Asatya Guru Mardini Sakshat, Shri Adishakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namaha. Rustom:A lot of heat. Very hot. Shri Mataji: Too much thinking. See the heat. Sardi bahut hai na, lag raha hai .. aapko aaraha hai haat mein thanda? Hoi gai ye to paar. Sudha inko dekho. Aap sikhiyega saab ko aap jaldi se paar ho jaiye. Aur sab ko sikhayie. sab ye to bhaite hain seekhne ke kiye. itna seekh gaya hai ki kamaal tho dekhe in logon ko. Dekhiye, hum jo nahi samjha sake vaha, yeha samjha rahe hai. vidhi to bata rahi hoon. haat aisa rakhiye. Sudha, kya bete? Left? Uthaon, left. Ha! I think he’s done. It’s broken. Rustom: Now it’s done, now. Just the last bit is there. Shri Mataji: This one is the perfection! Ok chalo pura paar ho gaye hain. Vahi brahmin ho, vahi vidh. Done! Feeling better? Lets see… Lets see now – all your gurus, everything. Aha. How are you feeling? A little cold? Sab ka lutkay aap ke desh guruoane. Ye ladka hai uske. Lakhaon kha de. Khane ko paisa de. maheshyogi aap ki. Rustom: Hm, he’s done now. It comes out. Shri Mataji:It’s alright. You got it little bit eh? Feeling it? Ah, good, good. Now, you see, because you have been to all these horrid people, you have to a work little hard eh? You don’t mind clearing them. We’ll tell you how to do it but you have to cleanse, alright? They are there, horrible things. How much money you have given them? (Laughing) Were you flying also? He was flying also. Aur mantra kya diya? Aur mantra kya diya. “Ainga”. Bataiye Ye koi mantra hai. Aise tamasha inhone kare. Meko bilkul gareeb hai. Paise noch noch ke. Dusht the. Maha Dhust. Ab uta ke le jayenge gathri bhand bhand ke ,bataiye aap. Aap right hand yehan rakhiye, kya hai, Kaaran teek ho raha. Karan bhi teek ho raha. Left side hai na? Emotionally problem hai. Rustom:He comes from Indonesia, Mataji. Shri Mataji: Is it? Rustom:Lord Rama went there. Shri Mataji:No, No. He doesn’t, he must be there isn’t it? No, Buddhist. Hindu, Ha? Christian? Mixture! Doesn’t matter. Better now, you see? Are you feeling better now; are you feeling the cool breeze? Only there. And in this one? [Indonesian:] No. Yogi:Look how he’s sweating. Shri Mataji:He’ll work it out, alright? Let him stand here and put the right hand outside left hand towards me, just…. You’ll have to work it out but you must have patience, alright? Ha Let us see this lady. Come along, come forward. She’s just gone eh? Sitting down is a problem but what to do your Caxton hall people are like that. Just come forward. What? Can you remove your headdress? She’s got it. Lady: But what’s wrong with that? Shri Mataji: You are not be identified with it, you see? You are your Spirit, neither ego nor superego, neither your conditioning nor your ego. See? That’s the point. All the problems of the West is due to ego-orientation. Everything goes well here, whatever you may do. If you want to cut your nose: they’ll cut their noses. All the idiocity they will do in the name, “Why? We like it so we are doing it.” But it is idiotic. Ha, left Nabhi. Rustom:Left Nabhi, However it’s mainly here, these two. That’s why it’s not going to down… Shri Mataji:Been to some guru? No? No one like that. Thank God! Rustom:The sushumna blocks just below the arm here… Shri Mataji:What do you do? What job you are doing? Seeker: In office, entering things into computer. Rustom: Swadishthanas are both very hot. And Mooladhara’s also hot a bit. Shri Mataji: Are you alright? (Laughing) No, you have found it now. But now you must master it. Otherwise it is no use, you see. So, you come along next Monday I’ll be here – Is there any other program we are having? Yogi: Harrow. Yogi:Wednesday we are having Harrow,. Thursday at Twickenham.. John Watkinson: Friday at Enfield. Yogi: That’s where he comes from! Shri Mataji:But I must say I cannot go on Thursday. Friday I’ll be there. I’m sorry. Twickenham I won’t be able to do. Seeker: Monday you are here? Shri Mataji: Monday I will be here. Seeker: At this same place? Shri Mataji: Yes, same place. Monday. He’s getting it. Rustom: He also has the Kartikeya’s problems. Shri Mataji: Close your eyes. You have pain here? No pain? No colds?

12/10/1979

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Christmas And Its Relationship To Lord Jesus, Caxton Hall, LONDON (UK), 10 December 1979. ...this day for us to remember that Christ was born on this earth. As a human being, He came on this earth. And the task that was before Him was to enlighten human awareness with the sense of understanding, but we can say it is actualization, within the awareness of human beings, that they are not this body but they are the spirit. The message of Christ is His resurrection. That is you are your spirit an' not your body. And He showed by His resurrection, how He ascended into the realm of spirit - which He was, because He was Pranava, He was Brahma, He was Mahavishnu - as I have told you about His birth. And when He came on this earth, in a body, like a human being, He wanted to show another thing that spirit has nothing to do with money, has nothing to do with power. It is all powerful, all pervading, but He's born in a stable, not in a palace or to a king but He was born to a very ordinary person, a carpenter. Because if you are the king, as we say in Hindi language, Badshah then nothing is greater than you, isn't it? It means simply that. Nothing is higher than you, neither anything can decorate you, because whatever you are, you are at the highest. All the worldly things so called, are just like dry grass, Trinavat. So He was kept in the dried grass. To many it makes very unhappy and they feel very sorry, that Christ, the One who came to save us, was kept under such conditions and why not God provided Him with something better? But to such people it does not matter: whether you are lying in the dried grass or in the stable or in the palaces, everything is just the same for it does not touch them, they are so detached and they are completely in joy. They are the masters of themselves - nothing can master them. No matter can master them, no comfort can master them. They are masters of complete comforts within themselves, they have achieved all the comforts within themselves, they are satisfied people. That's why they are kings, they are called as kings, not those kings who run after things, or those kings who seek comforts in life. I mean if you have comforts well and good. If you don't have well and good, makes no difference. So many people, specially in Latin America when I went there, they said, "But we can't understand why Christ was born as a poor man." This is again the human concept about God is, y' see he wants to command God, be born in a King's palace. You cannot order Him about. We have our own concepts about God that, "Why should He be a poor man; why should He be helpless?" He never showed His helplessness. He was much more dynamic than all your kings and all your politicians put together. He was not afraid of anyone. Whatever He had to say He said it. He was not afraid of crucifixion or any such "punishment" so called. It's only the human beings. you see, who have these false ideas about life and that's why they want to put these ideas onto God also and [del: MAKE...] try to make Him follow their own concepts. God is not your concept. He's not a concept at all. To also say that, "Concept is after all is a concept" is also a concept - this I found out very recently. This is another myth people carry. Those who say that, "Oh, concept is a concept!" All right. Mataji says, "All right." So what? But even this is a concept, because concept is thought. You have to rise beyond thought at a higher level into thoughtless awareness where you are not in thought but you are in the center of the thought. In the sense that one thought rises and falls and there is a place in between, another thought rises and fall. You are in the center of these thoughts. The Vilamba as we call it. The time where you pause. Then you will understand Christ. He was here, partly of course to save us, because He had many aspects I should say, not only to save human beings He came on this earth. There were many more aspects. This is also human beings have a demand, you see, that that they must be saved. Why? One shouldn't... I Mean from God's angle if you see, why should they be saved all of them? What have they done for God? How can you demand God that, "You must save us?" Can you? You cannot ask for that. So He did come to create the passage between as you see here, the Vishuddhi and the Sahasrara, this Agnya. In the primordial being the Virat - He was born there, to open that door. In evolution, every incarnation has come on this earth to open a particular door within us and to create that opening or that enlightenment in our awareness. So Christ came precisely for opening this small little door, which is constricted by our ego and superego. Ego and superego are the two byproducts of our thought process, one the thoughts, that are of the past and the other, thoughts of the future. He came to make that gap, to cross that gap, and that's how He has sacrificed Himself, His body. For you it is a very big thing of remorse and repentance, but for such people it is not, it's a play. They have to play a certain role. That's why I do not understand why do you show Him to be such a lanky, panky, miserable creature. He was never miserable. Such people can never be miserable as you are. This is another concept of man, that He should be lanky, panky, tally, skinny, starved, bones coming out, count them one by one. Horrible! I tell you. From His childhood to His death He was jolly person, He was happiness, He was joy. To pick you all happy, to give you the light of happiness by enlightening your source of joy, that is your spirit in your heart, that He came on this earth - not only to save you - first to give you happiness, to give you joy. Because human beings in their ignorance and in this tomfoolery, are unnecessarily beating themselves and destroying themselves. When nobody asked you to go to pubs to get into trouble; nobody has asked you to go to races and become bankrupts; nobody has asked you to go to horrible gurus and get into troubles, but you seek your destruction morning till evening. Then He comes there, like a morning flower, to make you happy. First to make you happy, to give you joy. You see any child... You see any child. At least I know Myself, I don't know about the funny people here I mean, for them flowers also look like thorns, I mean I don't know how they manage that stuff, but you see a child anywhere, any child, such a joy giving thing it is. And this is the child of the divine - that comes on this earth as a child - is the most joy giving thing. And that's why Christmas for all of us, for the whole Universe should be a festival of great joy. For He brought light for us by which you could see that there is someone called as "God", there is someone who is going to remove this ignorance. This was the first beginning. So, for us, it is necessary to be first joyous and be happy and relaxed, and not to take anything that seriously as we take. Because divine life doesn't make you serious. Because it's all a play, it's a maya. I have seen in all the rituals that people follow, in all the so called religious people, they are too serious to be religious. And religious person is bubbling with laughter. He doesn't know how to hide his joy. And he doesn't know how to control his laughter when he sees people who are unnecessarily serious. I mean nobody's dead. The way they people say it, it's sometimes, you just don't know what to do with yourself. You just can't control. So there's nothing in this world for a person like Christ to feel sad about. And if you really believe in Him, then please first of all give up your... this silly sadness and sulking and sitting down and becoming morose, not talking to anyone, silent bores allover. That is not the way to look at Christ. See how He went and talked to multitudes, how He opened His hands to all the people around and how He tried to give them happiness. He has said that you are to be born again. That means, He had to do this work and that you have to get it some time He had promised that you are to be born again. Christ is to be born within us. I don't know what Christians understand out of this. How do you become born again? Not by going through a ritual of christening, somebody coming from a theological college cannot make you a Christian. Like in our India we have some paid Brahmins, as you have here paid people you see, the whole day they will eat, drink, be merry and evening time they'll come and pray and preach, that sort of people. You have to be a person who is authorized by God. Unless and until you are authorized by God, you cannot give joy. And that's why I've seen all these people the so called big pundits and the big priests and all of them are so serious because they are not authorized by God. Even on a Christmas day, I mean anybody who comes from a village may think there's a funeral going on. And after the funeral they go home. How do you celebrate? With a champagne! And after the funeral also real funeral also they'll celebrate thus, I don't know why, but they take champagne. How can you celebrate Christ by insulting Him? He came to enlighten your awareness because He respected your awareness, the point at which it had reached, but you are trying to put it down. Is this the way to understand Him? And He has promised that you are to be baptized, you are to be born again. And now, in Sahaja Yoga, this promise is being fulfilled. So be joyous, that here at the Agnya chakra, again Christ is born within you and He's there and you know how you can ask for his help, always. But the main thing that one has to understand, that the time has come for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in the Bible but all the scriptures of the world, the time has come today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Peer, through your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way out. And that your last judgment is also now. Only through your Kundalini awakening, God is going to judge you. How is He going to judge you otherwise? You think of somebody now, a person comes in now, here is somebody sitting to judge you. How? By how many hair dressers you have been to? Or how many suits you have stitched for the Christmas? Or what presents you have bought and how many cards you have sent? And to how many people you have sent some other things which may not be very palatable. That's not the way. Or is it, that at what price you bought all the things? The way we are particular? Which way are we going to be judged by God? "Not superficially" people say. So what depth have we got, let's see? How far can we go in our depth? At the most we reach a point where we are nothing but a concept again. So whatever depth we know goes up to only rationality, up to the concept point. Beyond that we cannot reach. So how can we be judged? How do people are judged if you go to a doctor? He has his instruments, and he works it out, puts the light in, sees for himself and says this is the position. And how your spirituality is going to be judged? How a seed is judged? By sprouting it! When you sprout the seed and when you see its germinating power you know it's a good seed or a bad seed. In the same way, you will be judged by the way you are germinated, the way you receive your realization, the way you retain it, the way you respect it. That is how you are going to be judged and not by the kind of dresses you are wearing, by the type of matching you do and the hair dressing you go to. Not by the big positions you occupy and the big politicians and big bureaucrats you become. Not by what kind of houses you have built and what kind of so called Noble [sic] prizes you have won. You are not also going to be judged by your philanthropic work by that you think that you have given so much money, so much so, because you, if you have given so much money there will be big ego somewhere hanging and it will bring you down your scale. This is a judgment in which the little feather is going to weigh more, much more than a ship. It's a different type of a judgment, of a personality. You can see how Christ was judged by human beings and how He was judged by God. He came and lived in the dried straw like a feather. His mother never felt His discomfort. In the same way those who have not, by their being, oppressed others or taken oppression, are going to be judged as first class. In the Kundalini awakening itself there are inherent defects. Inherently the Kundalini has some defects, because of your previous karmas. Because what you have been doing in this lifetime. Because, the things that you have accepted as reality, which is just a concept. Because, when you have not known the absolute, whatever you will be doing, there will be a little of ignorance with it. Whatever you have done in darkness will have a particle of darkness in it. So without knowing realization if you have propagated, "Oh, we are great saints, this, that," you'll have no chance. If you think you are a very divine personality, and you are already a realized soul, no chances! All the priests of all the religions, will be the last to get realization. Valmiki in his Ramayana, has very clearly said. A very interesting story is there that a dog was asked, "What do you want to be in your next life?" So he told, "Make me anything but don't make me a Mathadhish." A person... Mathadhish is a person like a "priesthood." So, "Make me everything but not a priest anywhere." Just imagine a dog having that wisdom. But I do not say that all of them are like that. There may be some who are really genuine, some may be really realized people, may be authorized by God. But I am sure they are not accepted by the multitude, I am sure of that. Because I have seen your history and all that, I've seen all such people have been discarded and have been tortured. But now the time has come to judge the right and the wrong. You cannot crucify anymore, you cannot. Everyone is going to be judged through Kundalini awakening. Now, we should know there are three categories of human beings. I don't know which way to start, not to shock you. One is human beings as we are, normal. They are called as Narayoni. The second categories are Devayoni, those who are born seekers or realized souls, mostly realized souls are Devayoni. And the third ones are called as Rakshas. These [the Devayoni?] are called as Ganas. Actually these are called as Ganas. But is the... We can say the species among human beings are Rakshasas, means the people who are evil. So we have evil people, excellent people, and we have in-between people. Excellent people are very few. They are born realized. I don't have their problem much. But one has to deal with the people who are in the center. They are looking towards good but have something hanging on to them, which is not so good. So for these people, there are inherently some defects in the Kundalini, which we must understand. The first of them is bad health, physical bad health, actual physical bad health. In this country specially people suffer from too much of cold and other troubles due to over calcium in the water. In the same way according to the countries, stanavishesh as they call it, you have your problems. Like in our country we have some problems; like in your country you have certain problems. So, the physical problems are according to the country where you have taken your birth. Most of you have decided to take birth in particular countries, that's why you are identified also to such an extent sometimes that you think there is no defect. Every country has a variety by which you suffer a certain amount of setback in your health. So for a Sahaj Yogi one should know that health is a very important thing because this body is the temple of God and one has to look after your health. And you know also when the Kundalini rises the first thing that happens that your health improves because of the parasympathetic fulfillment, because parasympathetic gives you enlightenment which flows into sympathetic and your health improves. I will not tell about it very elaborately today because time is short, but if you read My... I would say I haven't yet written much, but if you listen to My lectures, and some of them which are written down, you will know how Kundalini helps to cure most of the diseases, except for which are being tampered by human elements. Like a kidney trouble now has been cured by Sahaja Yoga. No doubt, we can cure kidney trouble. But a person who has been on the machine, we've tried, cannot be cured. We can give him longevity, but he cannot be cured. But to cure people is not your job at all by any chance, you must remember this. No Sahaj Yogi should take to curing people. They can use my photograph but not to take to curing, because it means you are a big philanthropic personality. I have seen people who have been curing, get into such a mania of curing, that they forget that they are also catching something and they are also getting some troubles and they never cure themselves. Ultimately I find they get out of Sahaj Yoga. But with the Photograph you can cure people. Do not think that it is your duty that you are a great sort-of-a... what you call a benefactor, physical benefactor, no, you are not. You are a spiritual benefactor but as a byproduct, the body of the person improves because if Christ has to be awakened, if God has to come in this body, then this body is to be cleansed. It is done by Kundalini. But it does not have a separate work like hospitals. I have known people who [WERE ...del] went so mad with their power of curing that they started visiting regularly the hospitals, and they ended up in the hospital only. They would not even come to programs; they would not even come and see Me. So this is one of the greatest hurdles you have got is the Vyadhi, is the bodily elements. And the bodily element also should not take you down too much. If [THE ..del] we have some problem, forget it. Gradually it will improve. With some people it takes time to get all right but the main thing is to get to your spirit. So do not always say, "Mother, cure me, cure me, cure me." But just say, "Mother give me the spiritual life," and you will be cured automatically. It may take time in some people, doesn't matter. You have been sick all your life, doesn't matter. Little more time. And also follow the methods which [I HAVE ...del] we have told, about different diseases, specially liver in this country, colds, and what you call this gout and all these troubles. We have remedies for all this. Diabetes, we have. But work it out as a duty towards your body, towards the temple. But that should not be the end of your life, that's a very little part. I mean it would be something like cleaning the whole place and then you get out of it. They say, "Why did you clean?" Like I have seen here people, you see, even we were in Oxstead I was surprised, you see everybody used to polish everything you know, and everything was, sort of, lawn was done very well and everything cleaned very well, and not even a rat would enter their houses even. For months together I never saw any person getting in, only getting out. And they were so particular, husband, wife, so particular about cleanliness, neatness, everything, and the both of them would never even talk to each other, I have seen that. There were seven houses, except for our house, and [SHE WAS ...del] they were all surprised at how many people are coming to our house. They said, "Are you a open house?" I said, "Yes, it is a open house." They couldn't understand what was wrong with us. Nobody would see that polished thing or anything. So, that's how it should be that we should not go to that extent, that it becomes a sort of real Sahaj Yoga, and the rest which is the most important, is forgotten. Health will improve gradually as I have told you. But attention should be on your spirit. Attention should be on your spirit, because it is the attention which goes into these various directions and gets stuck on. You just allow it to work out and it will work out. The second hurdle which I feel, is called as akarmanyata. Osnath, they call it, means a person does not want to work it out. Of course those people who are useless, who do not want to have realization, forget about them. But even after getting realization, it's an innate problem with people that they do not want to work it out. They are lazy; in simple words, they are lazy. That is very much in this country, surprisingly. I mean the other day I saw a picture where how, even from your country people went to Germany and blasted a complete machinery and a complete factory of that machinery which was sending pilot-less bombs. And they have overdone everything so then our children are having a nice time, perhaps. But, in Sahaja Yoga, you have to be alert . This what exactly happens in Sahaja Yoga when people come here: they get their realization, they feel the cool breeze, and is lost again. The reason is, they do not want to work it out. This is another danger, akarmanyata. Then, when it is lost, after one year they'll come back, "Mother? We don't believe in it, but I have got some pain in the stomach, will You cure me?" Instead of you becoming so equipped with all the powers that you have, you become another useless person coming here, just to take My time. These powers are all within you. This is your property. This is the property of your spirit which is there inside, which is about to manifest but, because of certain hurdles that you accept, that it does not. This is akarmanyata, we can say, which is not working it out, not knowing about it, not understanding it, what is Sahaj Yoga is, how to manipulate this, what are these vibrations are, how it works out. People just say, "Oh! It's too much." Because they don't want to face the reality. Because as soon as your Kundalini comes up, as soon as the light comes in before, the eyes are closed, you see suddenly the light comes in, you don't want to open your eyes. Because too much we have been sleeping. Even if you open your eyes a little bit, "Oh God!" you don't want to face the light. Because you are identified with that state, you do not want to open your eyes. Kundalini opens your eyes, no doubt, but again you close it down. So it is in your freedom, to give up that akarmanyata. Now this is also, can be very collective, I can tell you this much. It's a very big disease, which spreads. Like, say a husband wife is there, the wife is one like that. Instead of the husband raising the wife, he will succumb to wife, specially in the West. Just the opposite in India, because [THE del] there the husband is more dominating, the women will succumb to a husband. So what happens is, that out of the two those who have got it also are just wasted. Instead of that, both of them could be very well realized, and could be there if the one who is realized, puts down his will that, "No, I'll keep my eyes open to see. Let me see it. I must give a chance to myself." If they accept it, then it works and then they go to the second step. Everything cannot be just like a jet liner, sit down here and next moment you are on the moon! Even if you are in the moon, still you may start with the third danger which is there, is sanshaya, is the doubting. I don't know how to describe this madness of doubting. For example, out of all of you who have been here, I would say, at least, I don't know how much percentage... (Yogi very softly: Ninety.) (Shri Mataji laughs) ...have come out with, the second day, a very great statement, "Still I am doubting." Is that the sign of wisdom? What are you doubting? What have you found out so far? From where does this come? Is Mr. Ego, about which I have given lectures after lectures, is Mr. Ego that is doubting it? Because he doesn't want you to find the absolute. You are identified with your Ego, and you do not want to find it because this Mr. Ego has been guiding your life throughout, and now [YOU DON'T ...del] you want to doubt. Doubt what? What are you doubting? You felt the cool breeze, all right? Sit down then. It would be something like somebody entering into a college, university, and they are going sitting down firstly there, teacher says, "Now, this is the diagram, I give you." The students get up and say, "Sir we doubt." Really? Then what should the teacher say? But they will not say that, because they have paid the fees. They have paid it. Even if it is a horrible drama, boring one, still we go through it because we have paid, you see? To go through it, "After all, we have paid it," you see? What to do? But for Sahaja Yoga you cannot pay. I have seen all kinds of tomfoolery people accept in so many gurus. Like somebody says, "I am going to teach you how to fly." They're absolutely ready for that. They'll pay money, and not doubt, even a bit, that the fellow who is propagating is he flying? Have you seen him flying anywhere? Please at least ask that person to fly. They will see the Kundalini rising with their eyes, they will see it pulsating, rising, breaking here, still they'll sit down and say, "I am doubting." Now who are you? How far have you reached? Why are you doubting? What are you doubting? What have you known so far about yourself? Now, humble down yourself at this point. Humble down in your heart. "No I have not known myself. I have to know myself, I have not known myself, I haven't got the absolute. With what instruments I am doubting?" This is one of the greatest hurdles of Kundalini awakening and in after awakening, called as Samshaya. [THE SECOND ...del] The fourth one we can call it as Pramaada, is the one by which we go on faltering all the time. Foolish questions. I mean there are certain things one has to follow. If you are going on the road, you see, you are used to, say continental driving, so always you turn on the wrong side, but in London you will be arrested. In the same way so far you have been doing continental driving. Now you are in London, so you better take to the ways of Londoners and understand the roads and the maps and the regulations that are needed, and try to follow them. But you are doubting it. That's the main point. Then you don't want to follow it. So the pramaada is the mistakes that arise, because Kundalini awakening is a free gift to anyone who comes here, to anyone who has been to any sort of hell or heaven or has done... [Break in original recording, end of tape side 1] ...point about it. And why do you doubt? You are not paying any money. These two things go hand in hand - doubting and pramaada is the mistakes that we commit throughout. Because we are doubting, that's why we do not take it up seriously, we do not understand it - the rule of the road - and we just start driving. And then we have accidents. And then when we have accidents, we blame Mataji for that. That is a very, very common thing that happens, that we blame Sahaja Yoga. We blame that spontaneous happening within us; we never take the blame upon ourselves, that, "No, I must have done this mistake. All right, doesn't matter, if I make mistakes I will rectify, it's all right. Mother is forgiving." No doubt, I forgive, but sometimes my forgiveness is also of no use because unless and until you realize that it was a mistake, you should go this way instead of that you have gone that way, so rule of the road is to be understood. That is the one comes to us, called as pramaada. After that, we have another inherent problem is called as Bhramadarshan, hallucinations. We start seeing hallucinations, specially with people who take LCD and all [THE ...del] such things. They don't see Me sometimes, they just see lights. Or any such hallucinations you see of the future or of the past. They may see Me as something else. If you see Me in dreams is all right, or see something in dreams is all right, but you start seeing some things that's called as Bhramadarshan. 'Bhrama' means 'illusion'. Then you start developing illusions. But the worst part of it is that people start telling lies about it. I know about everyone. And when this bhramadarshan starts, it's the most dangerous thing about vibrations also. Some people are absolutely cocksure about themselves, I see that. And they'll tell all the world, you see, they'll dominate everybody saying that, "The vibrations of this is not good, the vibrations of that is not good," while they have no mastery over it. Now if I, somehow or the other, see, I have to be very careful, I can't talk like a teacher, so I somehow or other say that, "All right, you give yourself a bandhan and now you put your hands towards me and you see for yourself," and all that. If they by any chance know that I've found out, that they are lying, then they are finished. I must keep up their falsehood, everything in Me. In by chance you see, I am very careful though because I know they are always on a slippery ground, so even if I mention in a way that is not so blunt or anything, still it might happen. But one must know that it is for our good, that we have to stick on to the truth. And we should not be led away by our own ideas about ourselves. Then [THE - del] another thing comes, is Vishaychitta, in which the attention is attracted by objects of your previous identification. Like your attention has been, "You see I'm very fond of cricket." All right, you are, but you should not be a sick person. I mean cricket doesn't mean that you become a cricket bat and you are good for nothing. For anything else, for all practical purposes you are dead. That kind of craziness, for anything whatsoever, gets your attention into a very wrong state, and is also not good for all the Sahaja Yogis. Today's lecture is more for the Sahaj Yogi. So I am pointing out what are the inherent dangers of sustaining our realization. Which is very important to understand. Now the two other very big dangers which we suffer from apart from that. The people get possessed and get ideas into their heads. They start singing songs, this, that. Sometimes I am so embarrassed, I don't know what to say, I can see a devil speaking through them, but I just don't know how to tell them that, "Oh please stop." Even praising Me I know what it is. But they'll just come up and say, "Mother, we want to sing a song to you." "All right." Finished. I cannot say anything, because they do not know what they are singing, they do not know from where did they get this knowledge. It's something else doing this. Because of all these problems that you get possessed, the other day somebody came to Me and said that, "Mother I'm feeling very overconfident about myself and cocksure." "Really?" "And I feel like doing something very high handed," and he did it. First he saw the possession coming in to him, and then he did it, and did it in a very bad way. Everybody's angry with him, I know. But I'm not because something is done in possession. You don't know what madness people can do when they get possessed. I mean they should end up in lunatic asylum, but because of being Sahaja Yogis, they do all these things, but still they are not stationed where they should be. Then there are two more stages in which, a Kundalini which rises also falls down. This is an inherent danger in a person. Many people have asked Me that, "Mother, if we get realization, does it stay?" It does stay, part of it. Sometimes it is very thin part of it, sometimes the whole thing, is sucked back. It is sucked back. Is so, then you will say, "Then we start doubting." Where is it written that you will be lifted up and put into something great, whatever may be your problems? Is it possible? Even from here if I have to go to India, I have to get inoculations and vaccinations, and I have to get My passport, go through an interview. While if you have to enter into the kingdom of God, then you are going to be judged, not only judged, but even when supposing you give a grace mark and all that and a person is allowed to sort of, get into the plane, may be that they may ask you to get down. Is possible. And that happens with some people that the Kundalini falls down. Is very, very dangerous sign. It comes through many problems like gurus and going to wrong places, also going to spirits and doing all black magic, and also bowing before people who are not incarnations, worshipping wrong type of deities and also doing mad rituals. Fasting at wrong times and not understanding the signs of fasting and of ritualism and chakras and the connection, a complete synthesis of Sahaj Yoga. And it falls down. In some people you have seen that Kundalini rises and immediately falls down. Is a very, very dangerous thing which really is very troublesome also. But still one can fix it up. Last danger that we have which one should know that you start feeling that you have become God or some like an incarnation or something. This is the biggest danger. And then you start taking law into your own hands and start rebuking others or doing all kind of highhanded business or getting over self-satisfied with yourself. This is a very big danger. Humility is the only way, to know that there's an ocean before you. You have got into the boat all right, but you have to know a lot, you have to understand a lot, and you have to still attend to your attention, to your chitta, to your awareness. And you have to still work it out in such a way that you really establish your self, as a full-fledged Sahaja Yogi by which collectivity becomes a part and parcel of your being, by which you have no doubts left. From thoughtless awareness you jump into doubtless awareness. Unless and until that happens within you, is not mind, but is a state in which only the Kundalini will rise, whenever you'll raise your hands. Unless and until you have achieved that state, please try to work it out, don't be lazy. You have to see around yourself, meet people, talk to them. The more you talk about it, the more you do it, the more you give it, the more it will flow. The more you sit at home, "Oh, I am doing my puja at home." Nothing. It will stagnate and stagnate. You have to give it to others, you have to think of others. Thousands of them have to have it. And that's why it is important that don't get bloated with the idea that you have all the powers of the world, already manifesting. Never. When these powers really manifest, you are really not aware of them. Absolutely. I mean imagine the Sun saying, "I am The Sun." Will he say so? When he is the Sun, what is there? If you go and ask the Sun, "Are you The Sun?" He said, "Yes, by the way I am, what can I do about it?" It's that simple, you know, you become a very simple person, absolutely simple, because there is no camouflage, there's no complication. You are that. So, anybody asks you funny questions you say, "By the way, what is there to ask?, It is so. I mean, if I am a realized soul, I am, what does it matter?" With this understanding we have to go to Sahaja Yoga, which I must say I am surprised, how it is working, miraculously there. And it is working out, but it is you who can settle it, within yourself. Now, among you some are only on the periphery. We keep them on the periphery also, that you know very well. Some of them come in the center. And some are very few, who are in the inner circle. All of them are still in a state where they can be thrown out, like a tangent go down, you see? And then you don't understand why a Sahaj Yogi behaves like that. If you see some Sahaja Yogi behaving like that, going in a tangent know that you might do the same. So be careful. So, today, at this juncture, when we are celebrating the great event of Christ' life, let us know that Christ is born within us, and the Bethlehem is within us. You don't have to go to Bethlehem it's within us. He is there, and we have to look after it. It's still a child. You have to respect it, and you have to look after it. So the light really glows and people know that you are realized souls. Nobody will doubt that you are not. May God bless you, all. Is there any question? Kuli, can I have... Are you realized? Not yet. No, those who are not realized should not ask questions, because, as I said, today is a day of realized people. Those who are not realized, still are in darkness, so I would request those who are realized should ask Me question to begin with, and those who are not realized should get realization first. You have read so many books, what more questions am I going to answer you better get your realization. [Man:] We've come for realization. [Shri Mataji:] That's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that you are going to get. That's it, that should be the spirit. Just ask for it! You have to just knock at the door and you'll get it. You are going to get it. Any realized soul ask Me questions, please. They won't. [Shri Mataji laughs.] Come along. What's happening to My... see? Just take it out, I think. If you don't mind, yes please, here, thank you. Been walking for miles. Ha. [A man speaks to Shri Mataji almost inaudibly:] What is the significance of keeping the shoes on the table? [Shri Mataji:] Significance of what? [Mani:] ...The shoes on the table. Who is She... [UNCLEAR]? [Shri Mataji:] All right. These are My shoes are kept there. You are a Hindu you understand that. [sounds like BADAT TRAN]. You know Sanskrit or not? [Man:] No. badat tran...can...I know the meaning of this...but what is the significance of keeping them on the table? [Shri Mataji:] What is the significance of Bharata carrying the padoka of Rama, in the same way? All right? Have you read "Ramayana" or not, or your... [Man:] [UNCLEAR] [Shri Mataji:] Then all right. So that is the significance, and for this also, you have to understand first of all vibrations. Where are the vibrations? From where the vibrations are coming? Then you will know the significance. It is not mental significance, it's actual. Then you will know "What does these shoes mean? What these hair mean?" Everything you will know. Alright? But do not put your attention to these. For example, you see Indians always ask a question "Mother why do You where a white Sari, You are a married lady?" Alright. See all funny things these - this not important. The main thing is, you must get your realization first, then you will know what everything means, what it says, because it's in another realm altogether. Like I've seen in England, anybody who sees My this thing [ed: Bindi?], immediately start laughing. [Man:] Mother, sometimes we came to [UNCLEAR] the effects of the black magic. [Shri Mataji:] Lack of what? [Man:] Black magic, done to us by... [Shri Mataji:] That - I said it, you see? That possession and all that I've said it. Yes very true. Very true, it is so. Black magic is a very big problem, I must say. [Man:] In India it is really a... [Shri Mataji:] Very bad, I know. In India it is. Agree. Bahot bara hai, bahot. [Man:] [UNCLEAR] [Everyone laughs.] [Shri Mataji:] But, the problem is... You see I have a Chief Justice of one place who is My disciple, you see? And you must have heard about Dr Rangarajan of the High Court of the Chief Justice of the [VIRI or VERY?] High Court in Delhi who was there. He's also My disciple. And I told him that "These laws must be changed, human laws, because God's laws are much deeper and all-pervading, and they must be brought in." He says "Mother, when You will have 75% people in India, realized, then we can change the laws." Till then half of them will be finished with black magic, and whatever half are remaining, will be taken over by our gurus, falsehood. "I agree but what to do?" That's what he said, that "The law is the 75% people in a democracy must accept that law." Now you'll imagine what is a tremendous task is. That great country with a big population, 75% people have to have realization. [sounds like: ABA BULI.] [Mother calls people who have not got realization. to come forward for realization also saying:] ...You have not come here to listen to lectures, there are many lectures, you can even buy some records, you see, of lectures. It's not lectures. You should get something by coming over. Come along, have it! Now, what about you? [Mother tells people to:] ...Keep you attention free... Now keep watching on your thoughts. You will find that your thoughts have stopped, some of you not all of you. Please put your hands straight to wards Me, I mean fingers, but not under strain, but in a simple way. Just, in a simple way... Then you will find some cool breeze, light thing coming on your fingers. Before that, some of you might feel a little heat... in the hand. That's not a very good thing, will work out. Some of might feel little tingling; some may feel pins-and-needles. Keep your mind at rest. Do not take any mood as such, just leave it, be simple, be simple... If there is any shake in the body, or pain in the body, please open your eyes. But please put your hands straight, straight like this. If there's any shaking in the body, please open your eyes. [Hindi.] If your eyes are flickering, also please open your eyes. If the eyelids are flickering. Sit comfortably, yes... [Shri Mataji tells the newcomers to sit and enjoy while others balance them. Individuals are given treatments to do. In particular someone is asked:] What happens to you? What goes wrong with you? D'you sleep well? You don't obey your mother, isn't it? You become an Englishman. Is it? Hey? You're not English, you are Indian. Alright? We are not to give up our bases, alright? Poor things they were very good people English also were very good people, but this war has ruined them. We have had no war. [A yogi replies in [Hindi?] to which Mother continues:] Do you drink? You drink you smoke? Now you are going to take to drugs or what? Then what? Why not take? I mean if you want to headlong... then you must become a real English, you see? First you wear a striped one alright? Striped trousers. Then wear a jean. And then go to these horrible places and have some drugs, you see? Nice! Look at them. But they are seeking God. When they are doing it they are seeking God. They are not like Indians. Indians are just doing it out of fashion. When they do it they do it because they are seeking God and the way give up we have to learn from them. They give up just like that. [Shri Mataji clicks her fingers.] Indians are not seeking God at all, they are seeking money. So why should you do all these things, those who are seeking God are doing out of mistakes. Indians are not seeking God at all. [Another comment in Hindi from a yogi to which Shri Mataji replies in Hindi. An English yogi softly interrupts that "It's time to go, Shri Mataji." Mother continues in Hindi.] [Shri Mataji:] Please open your eyes. Just a minute. You did some pranayam? Did some breathing? [UNCLEAR] Come along, come. Come forward, come on. That's breathing has caused this problem. Otherwise you are very good but this breathing... [Shri Mataji recites some mantras and converses in Hindi while doing clearing. Some are told to keep eyes open. Another is told:] Are you alright? Have you got cool breeze in the hand? You have a liver problem, do you know that? Put your left hand on your liver, that is here. Yes, little below. [Mother converses with a tearful Hindi lady. And then comes back to the "breathing" man:] You've done some pranayama is it? Breathing, have you done...? [Man:] ...Breathing, just a little. [Shri Mataji continues and speaks to some others in Hindi and English.] Power Point Presentation

Christmas And Its Relationship To Lord Jesus, Caxton Hall, LONDON (UK), 10 December 1979. ...this day for us to remember that Christ was born on this earth. As a human being, He came on this earth. And the task that was before Him was to enlighten human awareness with the sense of understanding, but we can say it is actualization, within the awareness of human beings, that they are not this body but they are the spirit. The message of Christ is His resurrection. That is you are your spirit an' not your body. And He showed by His resurrection, how He ascended into the realm of spirit - which He was, because He was Pranava, He was Brahma, He was Mahavishnu - as I have told you about His birth. And when He came on this earth, in a body, like a human being, He wanted to show another thing that spirit has nothing to do with money, has nothing to do with power. It is all powerful, all pervading, but He's born in a stable, not in a palace or to a king but He was born to a very ordinary person, a carpenter. Because if you are the king, as we say in Hindi language, Badshah then nothing is greater than you, isn't it? It means simply that. Nothing is higher than you, neither anything can decorate you, because whatever you are, you are at the highest. All the worldly things so called, are just like dry grass, Trinavat. So He was kept in the dried grass. To many it makes very unhappy and they feel very sorry, that Christ, the One who came to save us, was kept under such conditions and why not God provided Him with something better? But to such people it does not matter: whether you are lying in the dried grass or in the stable or in the palaces, everything is just the same for it does not touch them, they are so detached and they are completely in joy. They are the masters of themselves - nothing can master them. No matter can master them, no comfort can master them. They are masters of complete comforts within themselves, they have achieved all the comforts within themselves, they are satisfied people. That's why they are kings, they are called as kings, not those kings who run after things, or those kings who seek comforts in life. I mean if you have comforts well and good. If you don't have well and good, makes no difference. So many people, specially in Latin America when I went there, they said, "But we can't understand why Christ was born as a poor man." This is again the human concept about God is, y' see he wants to command God, be born in a King's palace. You cannot order Him about. We have our own concepts about God that, "Why should He be a poor man; why should He be helpless?" He never showed His helplessness. He was much more dynamic than all your kings and all your politicians put together. He was not afraid of anyone. Whatever He had to say He said it. He was not afraid of crucifixion or any such "punishment" so called. It's only the human beings. you see, who have these false ideas about life and that's why they want to put these ideas onto God also and [del: MAKE...] try to make Him follow their own concepts. God is not your concept. He's not a concept at all. To also say that, "Concept is after all is a concept" is also a concept - this I found out very recently. This is another myth people carry. Those who say that, "Oh, concept is a concept!" All right. Mataji says, "All right." So what? But even this is a concept, because concept is thought. You have to rise beyond thought at a higher level into thoughtless awareness where you are not in thought but you are in the center of the thought. In the sense that one thought rises and falls and there is a place in between, another thought rises and fall. You are in the center of these thoughts. The Vilamba as we call it. The time where you pause. Then you will understand Christ. He was here, partly of course to save us, because He had many aspects I should say, not only to save human beings He came on this earth. There were many more aspects. This is also human beings have a demand, you see, that that they must be saved. Why? One shouldn't... I Mean from God's angle if you see, why should they be saved all of them? What have they done for God? How can you demand God that, "You must save us?" Can you? You cannot ask for that. So He did come to create the passage between as you see here, the Vishuddhi and the Sahasrara, this Agnya. In the primordial being the Virat - He was born there, to open that door. In evolution, every incarnation has come on this earth to open a particular door within us and to create that opening or that enlightenment in our awareness. So Christ came precisely for opening this small little door, which is constricted by our ego and superego. Ego and superego are the two byproducts of our thought process, one the thoughts, that are of the past and the other, thoughts of the future. He came to make that gap, to cross that gap, and that's how He has sacrificed Himself, His body. For you it is a very big thing of remorse and repentance, but for such people it is not, it's a play. They have to play a certain role. That's why I do not understand why do you show Him to be such a lanky, panky, miserable creature. He was never miserable. Such people can never be miserable as you are. This is another concept of man, that He should be lanky, panky, tally, skinny, starved, bones coming out, count them one by one. Horrible! I tell you. From His childhood to His death He was jolly person, He was happiness, He was joy. To pick you all happy, to give you the light of happiness by enlightening your source of joy, that is your spirit in your heart, that He came on this earth - not only to save you - first to give you happiness, to give you joy. Because human beings in their ignorance and in this tomfoolery, are unnecessarily beating themselves and destroying themselves. When nobody asked you to go to pubs to get into trouble; nobody has asked you to go to races and become bankrupts; nobody has asked you to go to horrible gurus and get into troubles, but you seek your destruction morning till evening. Then He comes there, like a morning flower, to make you happy. First to make you happy, to give you joy. You see any child... You see any child. At least I know Myself, I don't know about the funny people here I mean, for them flowers also look like thorns, I mean I don't know how they manage that stuff, but you see a child anywhere, any child, such a joy giving thing it is. And this is the child of the divine - that comes on this earth as a child - is the most joy giving thing. And that's why Christmas for all of us, for the whole Universe should be a festival of great joy. For He brought light for us by which you could see that there is someone called as "God", there is someone who is going to remove this ignorance. This was the first beginning. So, for us, it is necessary to be first joyous and be happy and relaxed, and not to take anything that seriously as we take. Because divine life doesn't make you serious. Because it's all a play, it's a maya. I have seen in all the rituals that people follow, in all the so called religious people, they are too serious to be religious. And religious person is bubbling with laughter. He doesn't know how to hide his joy. And he doesn't know how to control his laughter when he sees people who are unnecessarily serious. I mean nobody's dead. The way they people say it, it's sometimes, you just don't know what to do with yourself. You just can't control. So there's nothing in this world for a person like Christ to feel sad about. And if you really believe in Him, then please first of all give up your... this silly sadness and sulking and sitting down and becoming morose, not talking to anyone, silent bores allover. That is not the way to look at Christ. See how He went and talked to multitudes, how He opened His hands to all the people around and how He tried to give them happiness. He has said that you are to be born again. That means, He had to do this work and that you have to get it some time He had promised that you are to be born again. Christ is to be born within us. I don't know what Christians understand out of this. How do you become born again? Not by going through a ritual of christening, somebody coming from a theological college cannot make you a Christian. Like in our India we have some paid Brahmins, as you have here paid people you see, the whole day they will eat, drink, be merry and evening time they'll come and pray and preach, that sort of people. You have to be a person who is authorized by God. Unless and until you are authorized by God, you cannot give joy. And that's why I've seen all these people the so called big pundits and the big priests and all of them are so serious because they are not authorized by God. Even on a Christmas day, I mean anybody who comes from a village may think there's a funeral going on. And after the funeral they go home. How do you celebrate? With a champagne! And after the funeral also real funeral also they'll celebrate thus, I don't know why, but they take champagne. How can you celebrate Christ by insulting Him? He came to enlighten your awareness because He respected your awareness, the point at which it had reached, but you are trying to put it down. Is this the way to understand Him? And He has promised that you are to be baptized, you are to be born again. And now, in Sahaja Yoga, this promise is being fulfilled. So be joyous, that here at the Agnya chakra, again Christ is born within you and He's there and you know how you can ask for his help, always. But the main thing that one has to understand, that the time has come for you to get all that is promised in the scriptures, not only in the Bible but all the scriptures of the world, the time has come today that you have to become a Christian, a Brahmin, a Peer, through your Kundalini awakening only. There is no other way out. And that your last judgment is also now. Only through your Kundalini awakening, God is going to judge you. How is He going to judge you otherwise? You think of somebody now, a person comes in now, here is somebody sitting to judge you. How? By how many hair dressers you have been to? Or how many suits you have stitched for the Christmas? Or what presents you have bought and how many cards you have sent? And to how many people you have sent some other things which may not be very palatable. That's not the way. Or is it, that at what price you bought all the things? The way we are particular? Which way are we going to be judged by God? "Not superficially" people say. So what depth have we got, let's see? How far can we go in our depth? At the most we reach a point where we are nothing but a concept again. So whatever depth we know goes up to only rationality, up to the concept point. Beyond that we cannot reach. So how can we be judged? How do people are judged if you go to a doctor? He has his instruments, and he works it out, puts the light in, sees for himself and says this is the position. And how your spirituality is going to be judged? How a seed is judged? By sprouting it! When you sprout the seed and when you see its germinating power you know it's a good seed or a bad seed. In the same way, you will be judged by the way you are germinated, the way you receive your realization, the way you retain it, the way you respect it. That is how you are going to be judged and not by the kind of dresses you are wearing, by the type of matching you do and the hair dressing you go to. Not by the big positions you occupy and the big politicians and big bureaucrats you become. Not by what kind of houses you have built and what kind of so called Noble [sic] prizes you have won. You are not also going to be judged by your philanthropic work by that you think that you have given so much money, so much so, because you, if you have given so much money there will be big ego somewhere hanging and it will bring you down your scale. This is a judgment in which the little feather is going to weigh more, much more than a ship. It's a different type of a judgment, of a personality. You can see how Christ was judged by human beings and how He was judged by God. He came and lived in the dried straw like a feather. His mother never felt His discomfort. In the same way those who have not, by their being, oppressed others or taken oppression, are going to be judged as first class. In the Kundalini awakening itself there are inherent defects. Inherently the Kundalini has some defects, because of your previous karmas. Because what you have been doing in this lifetime. Because, the things that you have accepted as reality, which is just a concept. Because, when you have not known the absolute, whatever you will be doing, there will be a little of ignorance with it. Whatever you have done in darkness will have a particle of darkness in it. So without knowing realization if you have propagated, "Oh, we are great saints, this, that," you'll have no chance. If you think you are a very divine personality, and you are already a realized soul, no chances! All the priests of all the religions, will be the last to get realization. Valmiki in his Ramayana, has very clearly said. A very interesting story is there that a dog was asked, "What do you want to be in your next life?" So he told, "Make me anything but don't make me a Mathadhish." A person... Mathadhish is a person like a "priesthood." So, "Make me everything but not a priest anywhere." Just imagine a dog having that wisdom. But I do not say that all of them are like that. There may be some who are really genuine, some may be really realized people, may be authorized by God. But I am sure they are not accepted by the multitude, I am sure of that. Because I have seen your history and all that, I've seen all such people have been discarded and have been tortured. But now the time has come to judge the right and the wrong. You cannot crucify anymore, you cannot. Everyone is going to be judged through Kundalini awakening. Now, we should know there are three categories of human beings. I don't know which way to start, not to shock you. One is human beings as we are, normal. They are called as Narayoni. The second categories are Devayoni, those who are born seekers or realized souls, mostly realized souls are Devayoni. And the third ones are called as Rakshas. These [the Devayoni?] are called as Ganas. Actually these are called as Ganas. But is the... We can say the species among human beings are Rakshasas, means the people who are evil. So we have evil people, excellent people, and we have in-between people. Excellent people are very few. They are born realized. I don't have their problem much. But one has to deal with the people who are in the center. They are looking towards good but have something hanging on to them, which is not so good. So for these people, there are inherently some defects in the Kundalini, which we must understand. The first of them is bad health, physical bad health, actual physical bad health. In this country specially people suffer from too much of cold and other troubles due to over calcium in the water. In the same way according to the countries, stanavishesh as they call it, you have your problems. Like in our country we have some problems; like in your country you have certain problems. So, the physical problems are according to the country where you have taken your birth. Most of you have decided to take birth in particular countries, that's why you are identified also to such an extent sometimes that you think there is no defect. Every country has a variety by which you suffer a certain amount of setback in your health. So for a Sahaj Yogi one should know that health is a very important thing because this body is the temple of God and one has to look after your health. And you know also when the Kundalini rises the first thing that happens that your health improves because of the parasympathetic fulfillment, because parasympathetic gives you enlightenment which flows into sympathetic and your health improves. I will not tell about it very elaborately today because time is short, but if you read My... I would say I haven't yet written much, but if you listen to My lectures, and some of them which are written down, you will know how Kundalini helps to cure most of the diseases, except for which are being tampered by human elements. Like a kidney trouble now has been cured by Sahaja Yoga. No doubt, we can cure kidney trouble. But a person who has been on the machine, we've tried, cannot be cured. We can give him longevity, but he cannot be cured. But to cure people is not your job at all by any chance, you must remember this. No Sahaj Yogi should take to curing people. They can use my photograph but not to take to curing, because it means you are a big philanthropic personality. I have seen people who have been curing, get into such a mania of curing, that they forget that they are also catching something and they are also getting some troubles and they never cure themselves. Ultimately I find they get out of Sahaj Yoga. But with the Photograph you can cure people. Do not think that it is your duty that you are a great sort-of-a... what you call a benefactor, physical benefactor, no, you are not. You are a spiritual benefactor but as a byproduct, the body of the person improves because if Christ has to be awakened, if God has to come in this body, then this body is to be cleansed. It is done by Kundalini. But it does not have a separate work like hospitals. I have known people who [WERE ...del] went so mad with their power of curing that they started visiting regularly the hospitals, and they ended up in the hospital only. They would not even come to programs; they would not even come and see Me. So this is one of the greatest hurdles you have got is the Vyadhi, is the bodily elements. And the bodily element also should not take you down too much. If [THE ..del] we have some problem, forget it. Gradually it will improve. With some people it takes time to get all right but the main thing is to get to your spirit. So do not always say, "Mother, cure me, cure me, cure me." But just say, "Mother give me the spiritual life," and you will be cured automatically. It may take time in some people, doesn't matter. You have been sick all your life, doesn't matter. Little more time. And also follow the methods which [I HAVE ...del] we have told, about different diseases, specially liver in this country, colds, and what you call this gout and all these troubles. We have remedies for all this. Diabetes, we have. But work it out as a duty towards your body, towards the temple. But that should not be the end of your life, that's a very little part. I mean it would be something like cleaning the whole place and then you get out of it. They say, "Why did you clean?" Like I have seen here people, you see, even we were in Oxstead I was surprised, you see everybody used to polish everything you know, and everything was, sort of, lawn was done very well and everything cleaned very well, and not even a rat would enter their houses even. For months together I never saw any person getting in, only getting out. And they were so particular, husband, wife, so particular about cleanliness, neatness, everything, and the both of them would never even talk to each other, I have seen that. There were seven houses, except for our house, and [SHE WAS ...del] they were all surprised at how many people are coming to our house. They said, "Are you a open house?" I said, "Yes, it is a open house." They couldn't understand what was wrong with us. Nobody would see that polished thing or anything. So, that's how it should be that we should not go to that extent, that it becomes a sort of real Sahaj Yoga, and the rest which is the most important, is forgotten. Health will improve gradually as I have told you. But attention should be on your spirit. Attention should be on your spirit, because it is the attention which goes into these various directions and gets stuck on. You just allow it to work out and it will work out. The second hurdle which I feel, is called as akarmanyata. Osnath, they call it, means a person does not want to work it out. Of course those people who are useless, who do not want to have realization, forget about them. But even after getting realization, it's an innate problem with people that they do not want to work it out. They are lazy; in simple words, they are lazy. That is very much in this country, surprisingly. I mean the other day I saw a picture where how, even from your country people went to Germany and blasted a complete machinery and a complete factory of that machinery which was sending pilot-less bombs. And they have overdone everything so then our children are having a nice time, perhaps. But, in Sahaja Yoga, you have to be alert . This what exactly happens in Sahaja Yoga when people come here: they get their realization, they feel the cool breeze, and is lost again. The reason is, they do not want to work it out. This is another danger, akarmanyata. Then, when it is lost, after one year they'll come back, "Mother? We don't believe in it, but I have got some pain in the stomach, will You cure me?" Instead of you becoming so equipped with all the powers that you have, you become another useless person coming here, just to take My time. These powers are all within you. This is your property. This is the property of your spirit which is there inside, which is about to manifest but, because of certain hurdles that you accept, that it does not. This is akarmanyata, we can say, which is not working it out, not knowing about it, not understanding it, what is Sahaj Yoga is, how to manipulate this, what are these vibrations are, how it works out. People just say, "Oh! It's too much." Because they don't want to face the reality. Because as soon as your Kundalini comes up, as soon as the light comes in before, the eyes are closed, you see suddenly the light comes in, you don't want to open your eyes. Because too much we have been sleeping. Even if you open your eyes a little bit, "Oh God!" you don't want to face the light. Because you are identified with that state, you do not want to open your eyes. Kundalini opens your eyes, no doubt, but again you close it down. So it is in your freedom, to give up that akarmanyata. Now this is also, can be very collective, I can tell you this much. It's a very big disease, which spreads. Like, say a husband wife is there, the wife is one like that. Instead of the husband raising the wife, he will succumb to wife, specially in the West. Just the opposite in India, because [THE del] there the husband is more dominating, the women will succumb to a husband. So what happens is, that out of the two those who have got it also are just wasted. Instead of that, both of them could be very well realized, and could be there if the one who is realized, puts down his will that, "No, I'll keep my eyes open to see. Let me see it. I must give a chance to myself." If they accept it, then it works and then they go to the second step. Everything cannot be just like a jet liner, sit down here and next moment you are on the moon! Even if you are in the moon, still you may start with the third danger which is there, is sanshaya, is the doubting. I don't know how to describe this madness of doubting. For example, out of all of you who have been here, I would say, at least, I don't know how much percentage... (Yogi very softly: Ninety.) (Shri Mataji laughs) ...have come out with, the second day, a very great statement, "Still I am doubting." Is that the sign of wisdom? What are you doubting? What have you found out so far? From where does this come? Is Mr. Ego, about which I have given lectures after lectures, is Mr. Ego that is doubting it? Because he doesn't want you to find the absolute. You are identified with your Ego, and you do not want to find it because this Mr. Ego has been guiding your life throughout, and now [YOU DON'T ...del] you want to doubt. Doubt what? What are you doubting? You felt the cool breeze, all right? Sit down then. It would be something like somebody entering into a college, university, and they are going sitting down firstly there, teacher says, "Now, this is the diagram, I give you." The students get up and say, "Sir we doubt." Really? Then what should the teacher say? But they will not say that, because they have paid the fees. They have paid it. Even if it is a horrible drama, boring one, still we go through it because we have paid, you see? To go through it, "After all, we have paid it," you see? What to do? But for Sahaja Yoga you cannot pay. I have seen all kinds of tomfoolery people accept in so many gurus. Like somebody says, "I am going to teach you how to fly." They're absolutely ready for that. They'll pay money, and not doubt, even a bit, that the fellow who is propagating is he flying? Have you seen him flying anywhere? Please at least ask that person to fly. They will see the Kundalini rising with their eyes, they will see it pulsating, rising, breaking here, still they'll sit down and say, "I am doubting." Now who are you? How far have you reached? Why are you doubting? What are you doubting? What have you known so far about yourself? Now, humble down yourself at this point. Humble down in your heart. "No I have not known myself. I have to know myself, I have not known myself, I haven't got the absolute. With what instruments I am doubting?" This is one of the greatest hurdles of Kundalini awakening and in after awakening, called as Samshaya. [THE SECOND ...del] The fourth one we can call it as Pramaada, is the one by which we go on faltering all the time. Foolish questions. I mean there are certain things one has to follow. If you are going on the road, you see, you are used to, say continental driving, so always you turn on the wrong side, but in London you will be arrested. In the same way so far you have been doing continental driving. Now you are in London, so you better take to the ways of Londoners and understand the roads and the maps and the regulations that are needed, and try to follow them. But you are doubting it. That's the main point. Then you don't want to follow it. So the pramaada is the mistakes that arise, because Kundalini awakening is a free gift to anyone who comes here, to anyone who has been to any sort of hell or heaven or has done... [Break in original recording, end of tape side 1] ...point about it. And why do you doubt? You are not paying any money. These two things go hand in hand - doubting and pramaada is the mistakes that we commit throughout. Because we are doubting, that's why we do not take it up seriously, we do not understand it - the rule of the road - and we just start driving. And then we have accidents. And then when we have accidents, we blame Mataji for that. That is a very, very common thing that happens, that we blame Sahaja Yoga. We blame that spontaneous happening within us; we never take the blame upon ourselves, that, "No, I must have done this mistake. All right, doesn't matter, if I make mistakes I will rectify, it's all right. Mother is forgiving." No doubt, I forgive, but sometimes my forgiveness is also of no use because unless and until you realize that it was a mistake, you should go this way instead of that you have gone that way, so rule of the road is to be understood. That is the one comes to us, called as pramaada. After that, we have another inherent problem is called as Bhramadarshan, hallucinations. We start seeing hallucinations, specially with people who take LCD and all [THE ...del] such things. They don't see Me sometimes, they just see lights. Or any such hallucinations you see of the future or of the past. They may see Me as something else. If you see Me in dreams is all right, or see something in dreams is all right, but you start seeing some things that's called as Bhramadarshan. 'Bhrama' means 'illusion'. Then you start developing illusions. But the worst part of it is that people start telling lies about it. I know about everyone. And when this bhramadarshan starts, it's the most dangerous thing about vibrations also. Some people are absolutely cocksure about themselves, I see that. And they'll tell all the world, you see, they'll dominate everybody saying that, "The vibrations of this is not good, the vibrations of that is not good," while they have no mastery over it. Now if I, somehow or the other, see, I have to be very careful, I can't talk like a teacher, so I somehow or other say that, "All right, you give yourself a bandhan and now you put your hands towards me and you see for yourself," and all that. If they by any chance know that I've found out, that they are lying, then they are finished. I must keep up their falsehood, everything in Me. In by chance you see, I am very careful though because I know they are always on a slippery ground, so even if I mention in a way that is not so blunt or anything, still it might happen. But one must know that it is for our good, that we have to stick on to the truth. And we should not be led away by our own ideas about ourselves. Then [THE - del] another thing comes, is Vishaychitta, in which the attention is attracted by objects of your previous identification. Like your attention has been, "You see I'm very fond of cricket." All right, you are, but you should not be a sick person. I mean cricket doesn't mean that you become a cricket bat and you are good for nothing. For anything else, for all practical purposes you are dead. That kind of craziness, for anything whatsoever, gets your attention into a very wrong state, and is also not good for all the Sahaja Yogis. Today's lecture is more for the Sahaj Yogi. So I am pointing out what are the inherent dangers of sustaining our realization. Which is very important to understand. Now the two other very big dangers which we suffer from apart from that. The people get possessed and get ideas into their heads. They start singing songs, this, that. Sometimes I am so embarrassed, I don't know what to say, I can see a devil speaking through them, but I just don't know how to tell them that, "Oh please stop." Even praising Me I know what it is. But they'll just come up and say, "Mother, we want to sing a song to you." "All right." Finished. I cannot say anything, because they do not know what they are singing, they do not know from where did they get this knowledge. It's something else doing this. Because of all these problems that you get possessed, the other day somebody came to Me and said that, "Mother I'm feeling very overconfident about myself and cocksure." "Really?" "And I feel like doing something very high handed," and he did it. First he saw the possession coming in to him, and then he did it, and did it in a very bad way. Everybody's angry with him, I know. But I'm not because something is done in possession. You don't know what madness people can do when they get possessed. I mean they should end up in lunatic asylum, but because of being Sahaja Yogis, they do all these things, but still they are not stationed where they should be. Then there are two more stages in which, a Kundalini which rises also falls down. This is an inherent danger in a person. Many people have asked Me that, "Mother, if we get realization, does it stay?" It does stay, part of it. Sometimes it is very thin part of it, sometimes the whole thing, is sucked back. It is sucked back. Is so, then you will say, "Then we start doubting." Where is it written that you will be lifted up and put into something great, whatever may be your problems? Is it possible? Even from here if I have to go to India, I have to get inoculations and vaccinations, and I have to get My passport, go through an interview. While if you have to enter into the kingdom of God, then you are going to be judged, not only judged, but even when supposing you give a grace mark and all that and a person is allowed to sort of, get into the plane, may be that they may ask you to get down. Is possible. And that happens with some people that the Kundalini falls down. Is very, very dangerous sign. It comes through many problems like gurus and going to wrong places, also going to spirits and doing all black magic, and also bowing before people who are not incarnations, worshipping wrong type of deities and also doing mad rituals. Fasting at wrong times and not understanding the signs of fasting and of ritualism and chakras and the connection, a complete synthesis of Sahaj Yoga. And it falls down. In some people you have seen that Kundalini rises and immediately falls down. Is a very, very dangerous thing which really is very troublesome also. But still one can fix it up. Last danger that we have which one should know that you start feeling that you have become God or some like an incarnation or something. This is the biggest danger. And then you start taking law into your own hands and start rebuking others or doing all kind of highhanded business or getting over self-satisfied with yourself. This is a very big danger. Humility is the only way, to know that there's an ocean before you. You have got into the boat all right, but you have to know a lot, you have to understand a lot, and you have to still attend to your attention, to your chitta, to your awareness. And you have to still work it out in such a way that you really establish your self, as a full-fledged Sahaja Yogi by which collectivity becomes a part and parcel of your being, by which you have no doubts left. From thoughtless awareness you jump into doubtless awareness. Unless and until that happens within you, is not mind, but is a state in which only the Kundalini will rise, whenever you'll raise your hands. Unless and until you have achieved that state, please try to work it out, don't be lazy. You have to see around yourself, meet people, talk to them. The more you talk about it, the more you do it, the more you give it, the more it will flow. The more you sit at home, "Oh, I am doing my puja at home." Nothing. It will stagnate and stagnate. You have to give it to others, you have to think of others. Thousands of them have to have it. And that's why it is important that don't get bloated with the idea that you have all the powers of the world, already manifesting. Never. When these powers really manifest, you are really not aware of them. Absolutely. I mean imagine the Sun saying, "I am The Sun." Will he say so? When he is the Sun, what is there? If you go and ask the Sun, "Are you The Sun?" He said, "Yes, by the way I am, what can I do about it?" It's that simple, you know, you become a very simple person, absolutely simple, because there is no camouflage, there's no complication. You are that. So, anybody asks you funny questions you say, "By the way, what is there to ask?, It is so. I mean, if I am a realized soul, I am, what does it matter?" With this understanding we have to go to Sahaja Yoga, which I must say I am surprised, how it is working, miraculously there. And it is working out, but it is you who can settle it, within yourself. Now, among you some are only on the periphery. We keep them on the periphery also, that you know very well. Some of them come in the center. And some are very few, who are in the inner circle. All of them are still in a state where they can be thrown out, like a tangent go down, you see? And then you don't understand why a Sahaj Yogi behaves like that. If you see some Sahaja Yogi behaving like that, going in a tangent know that you might do the same. So be careful. So, today, at this juncture, when we are celebrating the great event of Christ' life, let us know that Christ is born within us, and the Bethlehem is within us. You don't have to go to Bethlehem it's within us. He is there, and we have to look after it. It's still a child. You have to respect it, and you have to look after it. So the light really glows and people know that you are realized souls. Nobody will doubt that you are not. May God bless you, all. Is there any question? Kuli, can I have... Are you realized? Not yet. No, those who are not realized should not ask questions, because, as I said, today is a day of realized people. Those who are not realized, still are in darkness, so I would request those who are realized should ask Me question to begin with, and those who are not realized should get realization first. You have read so many books, what more questions am I going to answer you better get your realization. [Man:] We've come for realization. [Shri Mataji:] That's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that's it, that you are going to get. That's it, that should be the spirit. Just ask for it! You have to just knock at the door and you'll get it. You are going to get it. Any realized soul ask Me questions, please. They won't. [Shri Mataji laughs.] Come along. What's happening to My... see? Just take it out, I think. If you don't mind, yes please, here, thank you. Been walking for miles. Ha. [A man speaks to Shri Mataji almost inaudibly:] What is the significance of keeping the shoes on the table? [Shri Mataji:] Significance of what? [Mani:] ...The shoes on the table. Who is She... [UNCLEAR]? [Shri Mataji:] All right. These are My shoes are kept there. You are a Hindu you understand that. [sounds like BADAT TRAN]. You know Sanskrit or not? [Man:] No. badat tran...can...I know the meaning of this...but what is the significance of keeping them on the table? [Shri Mataji:] What is the significance of Bharata carrying the padoka of Rama, in the same way? All right? Have you read "Ramayana" or not, or your... [Man:] [UNCLEAR] [Shri Mataji:] Then all right. So that is the significance, and for this also, you have to understand first of all vibrations. Where are the vibrations? From where the vibrations are coming? Then you will know the significance. It is not mental significance, it's actual. Then you will know "What does these shoes mean? What these hair mean?" Everything you will know. Alright? But do not put your attention to these. For example, you see Indians always ask a question "Mother why do You where a white Sari, You are a married lady?" Alright. See all funny things these - this not important. The main thing is, you must get your realization first, then you will know what everything means, what it says, because it's in another realm altogether. Like I've seen in England, anybody who sees My this thing [ed: Bindi?], immediately start laughing. [Man:] Mother, sometimes we came to [UNCLEAR] the effects of the black magic. [Shri Mataji:] Lack of what? [Man:] Black magic, done to us by... [Shri Mataji:] That - I said it, you see? That possession and all that I've said it. Yes very true. Very true, it is so. Black magic is a very big problem, I must say. [Man:] In India it is really a... [Shri Mataji:] Very bad, I know. In India it is. Agree. Bahot bara hai, bahot. [Man:] [UNCLEAR] [Everyone laughs.] [Shri Mataji:] But, the problem is... You see I have a Chief Justice of one place who is My disciple, you see? And you must have heard about Dr Rangarajan of the High Court of the Chief Justice of the [VIRI or VERY?] High Court in Delhi who was there. He's also My disciple. And I told him that "These laws must be changed, human laws, because God's laws are much deeper and all-pervading, and they must be brought in." He says "Mother, when You will have 75% people in India, realized, then we can change the laws." Till then half of them will be finished with black magic, and whatever half are remaining, will be taken over by our gurus, falsehood. "I agree but what to do?" That's what he said, that "The law is the 75% people in a democracy must accept that law." Now you'll imagine what is a tremendous task is. That great country with a big population, 75% people have to have realization. [sounds like: ABA BULI.] [Mother calls people who have not got realization. to come forward for realization also saying:] ...You have not come here to listen to lectures, there are many lectures, you can even buy some records, you see, of lectures. It's not lectures. You should get something by coming over. Come along, have it! Now, what about you? [Mother tells people to:] ...Keep you attention free... Now keep watching on your thoughts. You will find that your thoughts have stopped, some of you not all of you. Please put your hands straight to wards Me, I mean fingers, but not under strain, but in a simple way. Just, in a simple way... Then you will find some cool breeze, light thing coming on your fingers. Before that, some of you might feel a little heat... in the hand. That's not a very good thing, will work out. Some of might feel little tingling; some may feel pins-and-needles. Keep your mind at rest. Do not take any mood as such, just leave it, be simple, be simple... If there is any shake in the body, or pain in the body, please open your eyes. But please put your hands straight, straight like this. If there's any shaking in the body, please open your eyes. [Hindi.] If your eyes are flickering, also please open your eyes. If the eyelids are flickering. Sit comfortably, yes... [Shri Mataji tells the newcomers to sit and enjoy while others balance them. Individuals are given treatments to do. In particular someone is asked:] What happens to you? What goes wrong with you? D'you sleep well? You don't obey your mother, isn't it? You become an Englishman. Is it? Hey? You're not English, you are Indian. Alright? We are not to give up our bases, alright? Poor things they were very good people English also were very good people, but this war has ruined them. We have had no war. [A yogi replies in [Hindi?] to which Mother continues:] Do you drink? You drink you smoke? Now you are going to take to drugs or what? Then what? Why not take? I mean if you want to headlong... then you must become a real English, you see? First you wear a striped one alright? Striped trousers. Then wear a jean. And then go to these horrible places and have some drugs, you see? Nice! Look at them. But they are seeking God. When they are doing it they are seeking God. They are not like Indians. Indians are just doing it out of fashion. When they do it they do it because they are seeking God and the way give up we have to learn from them. They give up just like that. [Shri Mataji clicks her fingers.] Indians are not seeking God at all, they are seeking money. So why should you do all these things, those who are seeking God are doing out of mistakes. Indians are not seeking God at all. [Another comment in Hindi from a yogi to which Shri Mataji replies in Hindi. An English yogi softly interrupts that "It's time to go, Shri Mataji." Mother continues in Hindi.] [Shri Mataji:] Please open your eyes. Just a minute. You did some pranayam? Did some breathing? [UNCLEAR] Come along, come. Come forward, come on. That's breathing has caused this problem. Otherwise you are very good but this breathing... [Shri Mataji recites some mantras and converses in Hindi while doing clearing. Some are told to keep eyes open. Another is told:] Are you alright? Have you got cool breeze in the hand? You have a liver problem, do you know that? Put your left hand on your liver, that is here. Yes, little below. [Mother converses with a tearful Hindi lady. And then comes back to the "breathing" man:] You've done some pranayama is it? Breathing, have you done...? [Man:] ...Breathing, just a little. [Shri Mataji continues and speaks to some others in Hindi and English.] Power Point Presentation

12/30/1979

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Advice about Chakras

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Advice about Chakras. Mumbai (India), 30 December 1979. It is said that God is love. We have heard that many a times, and many people have explained in their own ways what is love. But to feel that love is the best way of understanding it. Even if you explain or describe in all details, though it is described in all details, you cannot enjoy love without experiencing it. This experience comes to us because God, Himself, has placed within us the mechanism to absorb this love and to manifest it. It is a very delicate mechanism within us, extremely delicate. This mechanism is placed in our heart, and by our ignorance, so many times, we spoil this mechanism or disturb it, or sometimes even completely destroy it. The light of love is joy. Anything else cannot give you joy. It's only the love that you feel in your heart gives you joy. This mechanism acts in seven layers within us. In the periphery of these seven layers, we have got ripples of this joy arising; they come to the shores of our brain and create the bubbles of joy. But again if the brain is a very rational rock then these bubbles dissolve, giving no effect to the rock. So a loving person is thousand times better than a rational person. But most of the people feel this love only on the periphery of the outermost layer, which is the light of the Mooladhara. As you know that Mooladhara has got excretory effects and how important or relieved we feel when our excretions are all right. It's a basic thing. But that relief gives you a kind of a joy and happiness. Is very gross, is very "low type" as they call it, but very important for us to get that joy. But to make this joy not so dominating over all other joys of deeper sensitivity, is to be innocent. I know one cannot be innocent, you have to be innocent yourself. But with Sahaja Yoga you can by clearing your Mooladhara. So that's very important that our Mooladharas must be clear, our innocence must be established, so that these gross joys do not cover the entire spectrum of our life and make us slaves of these gross joy-giving reliefs. But to clean your Mooladhara does not mean by any chance in Sahaja Yoga, to get after any kind of obsession and obstruction, but to give a natural release, like an innocent child, to these ripples, which need not go back to all the other layers of joy. You must have seen, when the ripples in a ocean touch the shores, they turn back. If the shores are made of very hard rocks this turning can be very deep and the waves can go much deeper. If the brain is very ego-oriented, is covered with ego, then these joys have a much greater significance in life than normally it is. Innocence is the only way one can neutralise those ripples coming back on the other six very important layers. As you go forward you know in the second layer is the joy of creativity. In the joy of creativity, when the joy of creativity comes within us, it again comes back to the periphery. For some people it is so important, so maddening, to create something - they are mad after it. And they think it is something so important to do, to create some thought, to create some book, to create some artistic impressions or something. For some people it's very important, so they create. And this creativity when it hits some rational mind, it gives him the same kind of a deeper reaction, that a person starts thinking that he is the greatest of all and whatever he does to the rest of the world is all right as long as he's a great creator of thought or ideas. Such a man can become very, very dogmatic, dominating and could be tyrannical, because he thinks whatever he does is showing results, showing success according to him. He rationalises the whole thing and the whole thing goes back, much deeper into him, covers all other his chakras. So the neutralising of this second layer is thoughtless awareness - nirvichar. When your awareness is enlightened - samadhi - and you are in nirvichar state, then whatever you create, you just see it. In thoughtless awareness you really enjoy whatever you see or whatever you create. You are in thoughtless awareness. That is how it is kept to the periphery. It is important that it should be kept, coming on the brain, because brain is the one which records it. And if the brain is such a solid stuff that it cannot record, it is not sensitive, most of it is lost in giving it a reaction, and the whole joy is finished. For example you create some painting. You just create it and just look at it without any thought. The complete joy of your heart which you have poured onto that canvas will be filling you completely and you'll feel the flow of joy going down. If creation is done in thoughtless awareness, then it's the most beautiful. Apart from that, it is the most beautiful, it is the most perfect, because such a painting or such an art or such a creation, such a thought, such a book, such an idea, will emit vibrations. The co-efficience to emit vibrations will be complete if it is done in thoughtless awareness. That's why those who are realised souls, when they create something, or they produce something, you find it easy to find out whether it is giving vibrations or not, very easy. In the same way you go to the third very, very important centre of your Nabhi, Nabhi or you can call it the Navel Chakra. The joy of feeling that you have eaten the food cannot be described. In Marathi they'll say, "Ata tsangla pote bharla amtza" (now my stomach is nicely full). If you are hungry you won't even take to Sahaj Yog, you won't take to God. Even if God is standing before you you'll say, "First, fill my stomach, oh God, then I will talk to You." And when you eat the food the joy you get out of that also goes to the periphery, as usual. If it goes to a rational rock, as I said, then again the effect is deeper. If you start thinking about it, you feel, "I have had my food, others must have," and this and that and all those things. And then you think that "I must have more of this and more of that. I must have something more to fill my, feed my stomach." Now when you are - say, you have a limited stomach, you can't eat mounds of food. Some people can eat, I don't know, otherwise somebody will start arguing on that. Some may be eating quite a lot, I don't deny that. But normally people have very limited stomach. Then when your stomach is limited, you start thinking, "Oh! My stomach is limited still the joy of the Nabhi chakra is not yet complete, let me think of something else." So you end up with, maybe with alcohol, because alcohol you think takes no space in the stomach. You think it has a different spacing in the stomach? I have seen people drinking beer. I was surprised you cannot drink so much of water as people can drink beer! Most surprising, pints of pints of beer they can go on drinking, and they never feel satisfied. At this time, the movement starts towards the left of the joy. This is the beginning of the left side, we start. And that time, you think that by getting drunk you are getting into a very romantic mood, or some sort of a nonsense like that. Then you start spending all your time, wasting your life, taking to laziness, to inertia. You may take to drugs. This is, I would say, can reach up to the heart of a person or to the liver of the person. The liver goes on becoming solid and solid. The more you drink the worse you become. So, man goes on, wasting his time trying to get joy out of something which is so dangerous for your being. Anybody who says that drinking is very bad, people immediately say that "Oh, he is absolutely Victorian," or I don't know, whatever it is they brand the person. Now how to get rid of Nabhi complication? Because these joys are so temporary, you will see in every case. Now Nabhi joy is also very temporary. And you do not also enjoy it much, if you could, you would not go into it again and again. So the neutralising point is satisfaction. You should feel satisfied. You have eaten all right two morsels, feel satisfied - even with two morsels you will be much happy than like a Bakasur [Rakshasa eating a lot] if you eat a mound of rice. To be satisfied is the only way you can neutralise your Nabhi. In all your wants, material wants, there's no end to it. You go on supplying any number of things, you'll go on asking for more. But you have not enjoyed anything. You have bought one piece of cloth, you've made a shirt for yourself - you want to have another one because a person who is working in your office has got this kind of a shirt. So you'll run all over the world to find that shirt. But the one who is wearing the shirt, he's running all over the world to find a shirt as you have made! So this madness goes on increasing and the Nabhi chakra remains in a big turmoil. So one of the neutralising points, most important is satisfaction of Nabhi. At every point you should try to feel satisfied. "All right, if I haven't got it, I am satisfied." At that moment you will get the joy. "I have got this thing, all right I am satisfied." You'll get the joy. And others will be also in happy disposition. Imagine a man who is gregarious, living in a house. I mean you just don't like such a man, it looks so odd. [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi] So satisfaction is the only way one can enjoy. Even say, I am speaking in English, if you just see are you enjoying the satisfaction of it? Supposing I was not a Maharashtrian, I could have been born a Japanese, or a Chinese. And supposing I was speaking in Chinese with three thousand words, “ting tung tang,” then what who'd have understood Me?So again here we come to the same question, are we satisfied? Whatever we get. Those who are looking for amrut, for ambrosia, do not bother about the words, they just want to pick up what Mataji's saying is the essence - pick it up. That's how you are going to feel satisfied. Now the, we have seen now about - [the microphone is being moved]Shri Mataji: I was even satisfied with this heavy stuff.[Laughter][Cut in the audio][This section is not in the talk]“Jaise rakha ho taise hi raho” (as Kabir said, “Whatever way you keep me I’ll enjoy”) This is the theme of Sahaj Yoga. “Jaise rakha ho taise hi raho” For God the human race really... has remained in that condition, in the happiest [UNCLEAR]. With the greatest happiness, having been that way. If you want, I can eat more, more on a daily basis, or I can walk. If you do not want, I will [unclear]. The depth of Nabhi chakra, can see, you have learnt... or can be felt. Satisfaction. And a person who is dissatisfied would be dissatisfied with everything. For example if I want to be dissatisfied now, I can say, "Why do you put it up, two colours before Me and this dirty handkerchief?" Or I can say something else. There's no end to madness, if you start with dissatisfaction. But if you start with satisfaction, then that's the point. You don't have to go further - this way, that way - you just go deep.In Marathi language also some things can be said “Mala udatatsa nai, mala tsalatatsa nai, tav lawala ki gele, asasts kara tasats kara”. Such a person is such a headache I tell you (laughing). He is such a person as soon as you see you feel, "Oh God, what have I done today to deserve this?" A person should live in this world like the flowers. You can't see them, how they bloom, what time they bloom. But when they bloom, can only feel their fragrance, their love. Satisfaction you cannot have without Realisation. So before that, if I say, "You should be satisfied," it's just brainwashing. You cannot be. After realisation, because you have found that what satisfies your Spirit. That's why your priorities change. You get satisfied for nothing at all. You may do lots of labour to achieve something and you can be [an] absolutely frustrated and unhappy person, and you can be all the time blaming yourself. And the same person can be the happiest person. Some people do this much of work.You tell them: "Go and get a flower.""Oh Mataji, very difficult these days, You know?" Started. To get one flower, it means,"Nowadays it's very expensive, You don't know. It used to be one pies, now it is at least two annas. Very difficult.""Accha baba, take two annas and go and get it"."But how will I go? The bus is very difficult these days..." Started. "The flower will never come, your two annas will be lost. Your bus fare will be lost." So a person who is satisfied is the most efficient person. Our country suffers from Nabhi Chakra, that's why we are very inefficient people. For everything we have excuses. Like, "This is not working, because this was not working." Our inefficiency comes out of Nabhi Chakra problem. If you are a satisfied person, your work is very satisfying also. If a lady has a good Nabhi, when she cooks her food, with very little food you feel very satisfied. Whatever she will do will be excellent. So for all Nabhi problems, one mantra one must remember is of satisfaction. Now we go to Void, though in the seven layers it is little confused with Nabhi, but we have to see to Void also. In dharma, in sustenance, we get happiness about it. When we try to be nice to someone we get happiness out of it. But some people who are supposed to be dharmic can be horrid. So boring that you would like to run away from such people all your life. They are supposed to be very religious people, they get up at four o'clock in the morning, torture everyone around, then they do their aarti, rubbing of, what you call, the sandalwood. Then having a bath with a big stotra going on. Everybody must wake up. Maybe, the mother has slept very little - she is looking after her children or something, something going on - they must disturb everyone, saying that they are dharmics. Very hot tempered, angry people. This dharma can be neutralised in a very, very simple way, that, dharma is your own concentration, inward. Like you want to donate something to someone, it's just between you and God, there is no expression of it outside at all. If you are honest - God save Me from many honest people, I tell you, some of these so-called honest can be so blunt that you cannot go near them. They think if they are honest then they have a right to cut everybody's throat. [Mother speaks in Marathi] In Marathi language you see, we have beautiful names for such people you see. Who are ‘karmathas’ and absolutely ‘dandeshahi’ we call them, ‘dandadharis’. Such a pundit if he is going from this side, go from the other side of the road. Otherwise he might just hit you hard. You ask him, "What is it? Why did you hit me hard?""Because you are not supposed to take your parting to that extreme of the head. Mataji has said, 'The parting should be in the centre!' "But it is for you I have said it not for anybody else. It should be concentrated on yourself - the dharma is for ourselves. "Mataji has said..." I am surprised sometimes at what I am saying. So many people have this bad habit of going around saying, "Mataji has said that this should be done. Mataji has said this should be done." I don't know if I have said it or not. But why do you say? You should say, "I say." Why don't you say that "I say as Sahaja Yogi."But it is all your own. It's your own clearing that is important in dharma and not anybody else's. There's a relationship between you and your Guru. Direct. Supposing you come and tell Me something that "Mataji, this is between You and me." That is between you and Me, though I'm not bound by it, not at all. If it is necessary I may speak it out, but 99% I'll keep it that as a secret. So it is the secrecy of your own dharma. The beauty of it is like this. You see the subtleties - ‘sukshmat baga’. If you are a dharmic man - it's so sweet, you know? Suddenly you’ll find the shine appearing like a diamond suddenly, with all the facets. Suddenly you'll find a person, "Oh, what a beautiful man he is!" But you are not looking after yourself, looking after everybody's dharmas. Then the same thing will happen, that the joy of dharma will only be felt if you limit it to yourself. That cannot be shared. Virtues cannot be shared. Can I share My virtues with you? I cannot. You can support it. Somebody has the virtuous man, then you can support him. But the joy of that dharma, that rasa, falling into your heart, nobody else can enjoy it. You enjoy your own chastity. It is of course written, "Thou shalt not do, thou shalt not do..." These are all commandments have come, but they can come only from God not from you. Once you start doing it to others, you are finished! You have lost the joy of your dharma. Now we have one Mr. Kulkarni here, his dharma is like that. There are moni like Mr. Patil is there. So many like that. I mean I don't want to name any more, otherwise "j" will start, jealousy. But we have lots of people, who have a dharma within them, which just shows you, suddenly. And you try to test them, they will just tell you, "Pan Mataji, tejat amtsa tsukel dar" Absolutely on the point of dharma if you are, you will never teach dharma to others.Preaching religion is against religion. You cannot preach, how can you preach religion? I cannot understand, till today I have not been able to understand, how can you preach religion? We can only evolve our own, imbibe our own, except for the people who are incarnations. They can tell what is religion, but they cannot put religion into you. And when you start enjoying that religion within you, you start having that more and more within yourself, then you start respecting yourself. Your self-respect comes in. So, we take it to this, that religion is the respect. The neutralisation of using religion for wrong things, is respect. Respect every other person; respect his religion. Respect the principles of other religions, of religion I am saying. “nai tu utlen ani lagle bhootatsa mage” (meaning:”Otherwise you will get up and start running behind bhoots! [so I’m clarifying] "). Again discrimination should be there. I am saying respect the religion that is within you and the religion in another person. Maybe, secretly that person is very religious. Outwardly he doesn't show off. All the centres, if I have to talk it will be too much. [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi to some Sahaja Yogis: “Should I tell everything? Are you enjoying? All right I shall talk for another ten minutes.] Whatever you say, I have no desire. So we come to religions, which is a part of Nabhi. The satisfaction of religion is only possible when you learn to respect other people, their religion, their styles. Because in Sahaja Yoga very commonly... There is a Marathi word for that, "khul." In English I don't know. A 'kink', kink, I think is the word. That, "He’s catching there, she’s catching there, Mrs. that thing is catching, is that thing is catching..." Is a crack in the head. For Sahaja Yogis it's very common:"Are [Hindi], what is catching in you? Everybody is caught up by you and here you are, "That person is catching there, that person is catching there. This person has this catch, that - another has that catch." This is how Sahaja Yoga is going to improve, or fall down? Without telling that person, without talking to him about it, you can correct his catches and your own. Why are you catching? Because you have some weakness. I never catch from anyone. So to denounce somebody or to put down somebody is not proper, that shows that you have less strength. So you should say that "Mother I have less strength and because that person has so much of this kind of a vibrations I feel little bad." If the whole world is all right and then you are going to feel all right then what's the use of having this light? Just think of this. That we'll say that "All right, I am the light and I have to give light, I am a realised soul. But when all the lights are all right, then only I will be with them." So what a light-and-a-half, what's the use of having such a light? We should have such lights that can go in the darkness and finish the darkness.That light is the light of dharma within us. It is not - how many times you meditate, how many times you sit in the water, put your feet in the water, or use My photograph or what you do and all these rituals - it is not that, it is how much dharma is within your heart. Sharayu's mother is another very great example, of that dharma. There’s so many of them, but I'm mentioning all the senior people because you don't feel jealous of them much. So try to imbibe the dharma within yourself. And then you will see eventually you'll become a very generous-hearted person, very generous-hearted because you starting tolerating everyone. Even generous as far as money is concerned, that's something so gross. I mean, a person who is a kanjus (stingy) of money is absolutely gross. But beyond that is tolerating other people. There are some people who have a nice house - they don't want anybody else to come in. In London it's very common. I have seen in England, very common. They'll have a huge nice house, all the time they are cleaning, sweeping, swabbing, putting, polishing. Even rat won't enter that house! And they used to say, "You have a open house or what?" I said, "Yes, I mean you have a closed one?" I didn't know what is a closed house? Say, "Our comfort is ours. Saturday, Sunday should be our own and we cannot share it with anyone," that sort of a temperament. Then you start tolerating, you become generous. You start giving for others. Giving vibrations. So, you know that I have told many people who catch on Nabhi or void, that today you do some daan (charity). So they will go and give it to Indira Gandhi, because they want a seat in the election. This is the specialty of rational people. [Mother speaks in marathi] So do some daan. There are so many places where one can give gifts. Of course Sahaj Yoga is one of the greatest places where you should give daan, but...there are so many places. But don't remember and go and tell them that "All right, I'll give you five rupees, but you will have to put my at least initials in the marble. Kan-ju-sha! You don't see initials, of mine, in the marble, with the black. Generosity just flows, it flows and emits by itself and you just starting enjoying it. Now the most important Chakra is that of the Jagadamba, is the heart, and this gives you joy. At a point where you have relationships with your children. "Udara charitanaam vasudhaiva kutambakam," (meaning) “The people who are generous, for them the whole world is their own children.” For everyone the love flows. Everybody's worry is the worry of that person. This comes from the centre heart that you try to mother every person. That feeling is there. But the anti, anti-joy people are, "This is my son, this is my daughter. Now the son will bring a dowry, so keep some good food for him and to the daughter give her some dahi bhaat (curd with rice)." Then goes little further, "This is my son and this is my daughter. I must get all the money in the world, live like a miserly fellow, to spend in the marriage of my children." Why? Then? What happens to you? You are left high and dry, children go away, then don't even look at you. Then, "This is my father, this is my mother. This is my daughter, this is my son, and I have to look after them after all. So I can make some black market money, what is the harm after all? You see I have to look after." This is rationality against the heart. The ones whom we so-called protect, we put them into sin! Go further, "This is my son, this is my daughter. They must become prime ministers after me." Or they must get money. "So what can I do? He is my son, he is looking after me, this is my son; he knows all these things that I have done. So, after all even if the whole country goes to dogs what does it matter? I am a mother/I am a father, I must look after my children, that's my first and primal duty." So the joy is absolutely killed. Because you see your children misbehaving, you see your children going to dogs. You see them going away from God to hell. Many parents are responsible for sending their children to hell. They are supposed to be looking after their children. Then the other extreme, of course you know that, when you get such examples then the reaction comes in where like [in] the West: you just don't care for your children - throw them in the dust. So, these protective measures we take, or these paternal feelings we have, should be without any attachment and fear. Any fear! Insurance. "Children, must get insurance money, because tomorrow we die, what will happen to them?" What about these birds? They never insure themselves. So insure yourselves, insure everyone, go on worrying about your children. (Mother speaks in Marathi- "Keep this for your daughter, as her dowry"). All sorts of efforts we put in to give protection because we have fear, we have fear of the future. And this fear of the future could be got rid of; then our protection will be at a time when they need the protection, when they do not need the protection we are not going to give them any protection. Then only our protective joy will be complete. So the protection is given by the Goddess to Her bhaktas, not to abhaktas, not to rakshashas. But you people do not discriminate in protection. To you a son who is born who maybe a rakshas also, "Doesn't matter, give him protection." Others are to be protected from him, but you are protecting [him]. People are frightened of your son, but you will be protecting him still, giving all protection and encouraging him to kill others, removing their protection and giving them fear. So what is the essence? First and foremost is, essence of Heart Chakra is security, is to feel your own security yourself. Feel your own security within yourself. Only the realised can feel that security because they know they have their Atma - their Spirit. At small, small things, we destroy our security; like supposing you wear a blue shirt and a black pant - finished, you can't walk on the street because everybody will start criticising. You will wear a red pant (trousers) just to match with the blue one, and get some trouble. But you cannot wear something different because the whole world will be saying, "Oh God you are wearing this and that!" So the complete security within yourself is that, that you are the Self and these things are not important. If you are a secured man your children will also find that out, that, their security lies in finding their own securities. They themselves will say, "Now, don't try to help us to spoil us. Do not give us things by which we feel more insecure." And such children would be really brave children, like Shivaji was. His mother gave him all the protection no doubt, but she made a Shivaji out of him. Any mother who all the time sort of, we see hankers after the son or the daughter and weeping and crying, must know that she has to create a Shivaji out of him because, she is a sahaja yogini. They have to carry the swords of their Mother. These crying babies, what are we going to do with them? Feel your own security, and then the joy of that security will take you to your depth. Why are you insecured in life? Money? Kasli vivanchana! (which account) The person who has God, who has got now the blessings of the Divine, what more does he want? Because your God is Almighty. Nobody's might is greater than that of your Father's. Nobody dare touch you on any point. But your faith is lacking and that's why start with your faith in yourself. Make the faith sit in your Heart Chakra, and that faith is going to give you the joy of security. Faith is the answer for all the insecurities of the world. “Aata tsa bunda Parameshwar uba kelata samor tumhi. anhi ti kai paijay?” (Meaning: |”You have made the Parmeshwar stand in front of you, what else do you want?” ) So now we come to the chakra of Vishuddhi. Vishuddhi Chakra can be divided into two is: here and Hamsa, there are two chakras. And Vishuddhi Chakra is, as you know, is the chakra of Viraat, where we have to seek ourselves in others. We have to seek our Atma in another person. We have to feel his Atma, we have to feel everybody's Atma, we have to feel everyone else, we have to feel it. And how to do it, Krishna has taught us, is madhurya. “English madey kai shubda mana?” (meaning: “what do you say in English?”) Is the sweet... is the sweetness. Madhurya is the essence of sweet. Feel others with the sweetness of it that, you are going to feel a flower; you are going to smell the fragrance of the other flower. Which has a different fragrance from yours. Feel that person with that sweetness as you feel the flower. How you catch the flower, how you smell it, how carefully you don't even break a little of that so that you get the complete fragrance. That fragrance you can only feel if you have that sweetness, that mamadhuryaadhurya. And that sweetness of yours is so joy-giving. How you say things sweetly, how you express yourself sweetly. But in Marathi language, very difficult! [55 minutes Mother speaks in Marathi.] Gujarati's are sweet to talk. “Pan tenza Nabhi gelele” (meaning: - "but their Nabhi is spoilt.") I think the sharpness of tongue, the cutting nature of tongue, sarcasm, the so-called brilliance of expression, sometimes it is better to be with a buddhu (fool) than to be with such an intelligent man who is all the time “shap shap shap”, going on, hitting you, morning till evening. Then you say harsh things, then develop a guilt. Then you develop a guilt, then you have to say more harsh things. It goes on. So this kind of a behaviour is because when we speak we do not have a sensitivity to feel another person. Put yourself in the same situation. How will you feel? So at the Vishuddhi level - madhurya, such a simple thing it is. Develop. You have to develop a method. Especially Maharashtrians must develop [Mother speaks in Marathi.] The sweetness of your tongue, the sweetness of your talking, the sweetness of meeting people. The whole the thing, you know, the sweetness itself gives you such a joy to meet such a person who is so sweet and nice. [“Tu ala ki ge failawar” Mother speaks in Marathi.] Anybody who comes to your house must wear a shield. [(Mother speaks in Marathi.] So, it is important that the language should be extremely sweet for a sahaja yogi. On that point they are going to judge you, I can tell you this much. Sharp-tongued people, nobody's going to accept. They'll say, "He sahaja yogi ahe? He Deva, amala tsa waita!“ (meaning: “this is a sahaja yogi? oh God, I am going!”] The other antithesis of this is - in Marathi it's better said is: [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Is that - even if you cut the throat with a hair, you won't know the person has cut your throat and still he is talking to you so sweetly. These are two extremes, which are very dangerous for Sahaja Yoga and for sahaja yogis, the centre is very easy that when you speak to someone, say it with your heart. Say with the blessings of your Atma. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Sometimes one has to say something sharp, it’s important. Specially for Me, which is a very hard task, but I have to use sometimes some very sharp language because nothing goes into the head sometimes. But you people better avoid it. You leave it to Me, because I am so good at this, that from one side I'll say something, the other side immediately I know how to plaster you, properly. So you don't try these tricks. You see, this is My style, which is a very difficult thing! I do say things, but they are hitakari (meaning: ‘which do benevolence’). If I even harsh with you sometimes, if I scold you sometimes, sometimes I have to be sharp, you know that I love you very much - that, I've established within you. First you establish your love in another person then say [something]. This is the way you can overcome this problem of Vishuddhi and how do you learn? Just by witnessing. Like two nice friends talking to each other. Just witness how they're enjoying. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Just witness the drama! You'll pick it up in no time, just like that. The sweetness will be flowing into you. Become so soft in your behaviour, in your countenance, in your faith [Mother speaks in Marathi.] People should say that "You are a realised soul, I can see that." It should be so evident. So give up your last practices and habits. Try to be friendly with each other. Shri Krishna's beauty was that He had friends... Gopas. And what was the quality of the Gopas compared to Shri Krishna? You see? But how He got friendly with them. Friendship. Friendship! Now, how I am to describe to you the friendship of it, you see? [Marathi sounds like: "Jivashchya khanthashya mitra."] Marathi language has great words, which I think, which you cannot express in English. But in friendship you'll find that enjoyment. But if you are not a witness, then what you will see? “Kiti paishe dile undhar, azun paishe parat gele nai“ (meaning: “How much money I gave hime, that much he didn’t return”) In friendship it works both ways. You'd never trouble each other but whenever there is difficulty, you can smell it, you can feel it. In Sahaja Yoga it has happened, miracles like this. One lady told Me, that she was in great difficulty once and she didn't know what to do. And she just thought of somebody who was a sahaja yogi, she said, "Just now if you can come, my problem can be solved," and there was a knock and he was at the door. And she opened the door and she was surprised, and he solved the problem. She said, "How are you here?" He said, "I don't know why, you know the bus stopped here, I felt like getting down and seeing you." So this samuhik chetana, this universality, you can feel it on your Vishuddhi Chakra. So that you become a part and parcel of the Viraat. Once you are fully part and parcel, all of you can feel each other. But without sweetness you cannot. Imagine the nose fighting the eyes and the mouth fights fighting the ears: what will happen to a person? Same is the condition of Viraat today. Sometimes the ears are blowing, sometimes the head is blowing. The Viraat doesn't know what to do, because you all are fighting with each other. Think of something sweet. But in that universality is the point, not one person “Karan te amche barobar, College laute madun” (meaning: "because he was with me in the college,") Because he was with me in the college is not there. Because you are born of the same Mother; you have the same Mother. Out of Her Sahasrara we are all born, that's why we are all brothers and sisters of equal merit and credit. This is what one has to feel. So for Vishuddhi Chakra: universality through sweetness, the sweetness of relationships. Hamsa Chakra is a part of Vishuddhi Chakra on which I've spoken very little and which I would like to speak also later on, on a very, very bigger scale one day. Is the Abstract, the Inner Current of all this Universe that is created, it's Pranava itself which is so pure, complete purity within yourself, absolute purity. Nothing but vibrations. That is only possible through developing your vibratory awareness and your discrimination. Nothing but vibrations - your vibratory awareness is the only way you see, smell, feel, everything through vibratory awareness. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] I have seen people behaving funnily in that also, like in everything they'll say, "Let me see the vibration of this, let me see the vibration; let me see the vibration of that." Then they'll say, "Your vibrations are not all right. His vibrations are not right." This is not the way to make fun of vibrations. A state must come when you don't have to see vibration, just feel it! That should be the state, that sign [that] your pranava is full. I never feel anything, neither vibrations nor any chakras, nothing. I have to ask you, because for Me nothing catches! Imagine such a gross person, nothing catches. Nothing I can feel, where is the problem - I have to ask you, "Baba, where is the problem of this gentleman?" It is so bad. But only thing that happens is that anybody who comes before Me just gets it, gets cured, and I’m nothing but vibrations. When you face Me, it just works. When I speak, it works. I don't do anything, rationally I don't understand. But these vibrations themselves, the energy goes, works it out, that works it out, that works it out. It works out all over, in the whole world. I do not consult It, I do not ask It. It's working on Its own. If I want I will ask, otherwise I will not. If I don't want to feel you, I will not feel you. There might be a rakshasa sitting next to Me, he might be shivering, but nothing will happen to Me. I can stop his shivering if I want to, if I don't want I will ask him to shiver. I am not bothered! Because when on vibrations the responsibility is there, on vibrations, which is My Light, I leave them alone. They are very well trained (the vibrations). They know everything, They are absolutely pure, as My name is, they are absolutely pure. I have no problem with them. I play here and there, that's a different point. I try to cover them up sometimes, I create a maya, it's different, that's another style. But as far as the vibrations are concerned, they are absolutely pure. That's why they are so effective. So keep your vibrations pure. Without any intention. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Just now as I was coming, Modi was saying that "Mother, we pray to You that 'let all the good people be elected for the election.'" I said, "As far as vibrations are concerned, let them go to this extent that they can create an atmosphere of understanding, but purification of vibrations is your job." If you are negative people, if this country is filled with negative people, they'll get negative rulers. Then they will learn through and understand it and get out. So this is it. How far can they go? See they will act, do whatever it is possible for them. But it is your freedom which has to decide, so how it goes out. Then we come to Agnya Chakra, which is the Light Itself. That is the one that enlightens your attention. Agnya Chakra. That is the Light by which you see everything, after Realisation. And when you know you are the Light, and when you know that you are the Eternal Light, that nothing can kill you, "Nainam chidanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavaka." (from Gita, meaning: "It cannot be pierced by weapons, It cannot be burnt by fire.") Once you know that in your Agnya, then all the fears and domination disappear just like that. Because it is the Light of Love that does not dominate nor is afraid because it knows it is eternal, it is not afraid of death or of crucifixion or of anything. So to allow the joy of Agnya to penetrate within you is to stabilise your Light. In that Light you will enjoy your sacrifice. Like the martyrs who kill themselves with joy. In the same way whatever trouble you have to put in for Sahaja Yoga you will do it with joy. Anything that you have to face, any kind of sacrifice. Now the Sahaja Yogis are of a great understanding, have developed a lot, but in the beginning we had sahaja yogis - you don't know what headaches I had with them. They used to say, "Mataji, we went there to talk to that man and we had to take some tea on the way, will you pay for that?" [Mother speaks in Marathi.] How much Mataji is going to pay for this and how much Mataji is going to pay for that and how much She is going to look after us and how much money we are going to save out of this arrangement or that arrangement is calculated first of all. And by coming to Sahaja Yoga if you can become a leader, or if you can get elected, all these things were calculated. But you have to become the Light - the Light that never dies, which is above all the joys. The Son who crucified Himself for the sake of His Mother's work. Who carried the cross, in the presence of a Mother who was so powerful. Such children you have to be to carry the light. Sacrifice. The enjoyment of sacrifice. Otherwise... [Mother speaks in Marathi.] ...troubling your Mother for nothing at all. How much you can sacrifice - "tana, mana, dhana." [Translation: "body, mind, wealth."] [Mother speaks in Marathi. Translation: "I don't want your wealth. But sometimes money is required."] Sacrifice, for your emancipation, for your Light being kept alive. Early in the morning one has to get up at four o'clock - it's too much for a English people. That is the greatest sacrifice. You can tell them anything else. If you ask them they'll give you £10, but don't wake them up in the morning, because if they have to do dhyana in the morning is horrible, then if you ask them to take a bath, that's the worst of all! To get up in the morning, have a bath and then do dhyana, is too much. But for Indians [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Here Indians will get up - if you tell them four o'clock - [at] three o'clock, have their bath, four times they will have, sit down for dhyan, and all that they will do. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Sacrifice, what all do we sacrifice - these stones, and this dust? For what? For the Eternal Light. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Tenchya peksha (“Compared to that”) out of proportion. It's out of proportion you are going to get. This is not sacrifice, this is not even the slightest [fraction of] the value of what you are going to get. Out of proportion it is. I don't know how to tell. It's out of proportion. But that proportion you can only see when you have Light. When the Light starts it goes to eternity. In the same way this Eternal Life encompasses the whole world, and you know the whole world within yourself. So the last chakra is of Sahasrara, which is a very important centre because it is in the core of your heart, it's surrounding your heart, and all the seven chakras have got their seats there. These are the seats which receive the joy and communicate to the heart. In Sahasrara, if you are there, already so many things you have got. You've got your vibrations, you've got your powers. But it's the most tricky centre. It's a Mahamaya. Kalki in a Mahamaya shape. Is a complete illusion. In the Sahasrara, the joy of Sahasrara is the joy of the entire thing, because all seven seats are there. If you can capture your Sahasrara, in complete recognition of this Mahamaya, complete recognition - which is a very difficult thing because always a maya is there - then, there's nothing to talk about. Then see how your heart enlarges, see now. Just recognise. See the expansion of your heart, it will cover all your entire being, just recognise! That's why we have puja here. I have allowed you to have My puja only for one reason, is that's the only way you can recognise Me by seeing vibrations, by seeing chakras, by feeling them, by getting them more, by correcting yourself . This is why I've agreed to have these pujas. But if you do not recognise, and do puja, it is useless for you, it's very bad. Just recognise! (Mother continues in Marathi for 45 seconds)

Advice about Chakras. Mumbai (India), 30 December 1979. It is said that God is love. We have heard that many a times, and many people have explained in their own ways what is love. But to feel that love is the best way of understanding it. Even if you explain or describe in all details, though it is described in all details, you cannot enjoy love without experiencing it. This experience comes to us because God, Himself, has placed within us the mechanism to absorb this love and to manifest it. It is a very delicate mechanism within us, extremely delicate. This mechanism is placed in our heart, and by our ignorance, so many times, we spoil this mechanism or disturb it, or sometimes even completely destroy it. The light of love is joy. Anything else cannot give you joy. It's only the love that you feel in your heart gives you joy. This mechanism acts in seven layers within us. In the periphery of these seven layers, we have got ripples of this joy arising; they come to the shores of our brain and create the bubbles of joy. But again if the brain is a very rational rock then these bubbles dissolve, giving no effect to the rock. So a loving person is thousand times better than a rational person. But most of the people feel this love only on the periphery of the outermost layer, which is the light of the Mooladhara. As you know that Mooladhara has got excretory effects and how important or relieved we feel when our excretions are all right. It's a basic thing. But that relief gives you a kind of a joy and happiness. Is very gross, is very "low type" as they call it, but very important for us to get that joy. But to make this joy not so dominating over all other joys of deeper sensitivity, is to be innocent. I know one cannot be innocent, you have to be innocent yourself. But with Sahaja Yoga you can by clearing your Mooladhara. So that's very important that our Mooladharas must be clear, our innocence must be established, so that these gross joys do not cover the entire spectrum of our life and make us slaves of these gross joy-giving reliefs. But to clean your Mooladhara does not mean by any chance in Sahaja Yoga, to get after any kind of obsession and obstruction, but to give a natural release, like an innocent child, to these ripples, which need not go back to all the other layers of joy. You must have seen, when the ripples in a ocean touch the shores, they turn back. If the shores are made of very hard rocks this turning can be very deep and the waves can go much deeper. If the brain is very ego-oriented, is covered with ego, then these joys have a much greater significance in life than normally it is. Innocence is the only way one can neutralise those ripples coming back on the other six very important layers. As you go forward you know in the second layer is the joy of creativity. In the joy of creativity, when the joy of creativity comes within us, it again comes back to the periphery. For some people it is so important, so maddening, to create something - they are mad after it. And they think it is something so important to do, to create some thought, to create some book, to create some artistic impressions or something. For some people it's very important, so they create. And this creativity when it hits some rational mind, it gives him the same kind of a deeper reaction, that a person starts thinking that he is the greatest of all and whatever he does to the rest of the world is all right as long as he's a great creator of thought or ideas. Such a man can become very, very dogmatic, dominating and could be tyrannical, because he thinks whatever he does is showing results, showing success according to him. He rationalises the whole thing and the whole thing goes back, much deeper into him, covers all other his chakras. So the neutralising of this second layer is thoughtless awareness - nirvichar. When your awareness is enlightened - samadhi - and you are in nirvichar state, then whatever you create, you just see it. In thoughtless awareness you really enjoy whatever you see or whatever you create. You are in thoughtless awareness. That is how it is kept to the periphery. It is important that it should be kept, coming on the brain, because brain is the one which records it. And if the brain is such a solid stuff that it cannot record, it is not sensitive, most of it is lost in giving it a reaction, and the whole joy is finished. For example you create some painting. You just create it and just look at it without any thought. The complete joy of your heart which you have poured onto that canvas will be filling you completely and you'll feel the flow of joy going down. If creation is done in thoughtless awareness, then it's the most beautiful. Apart from that, it is the most beautiful, it is the most perfect, because such a painting or such an art or such a creation, such a thought, such a book, such an idea, will emit vibrations. The co-efficience to emit vibrations will be complete if it is done in thoughtless awareness. That's why those who are realised souls, when they create something, or they produce something, you find it easy to find out whether it is giving vibrations or not, very easy. In the same way you go to the third very, very important centre of your Nabhi, Nabhi or you can call it the Navel Chakra. The joy of feeling that you have eaten the food cannot be described. In Marathi they'll say, "Ata tsangla pote bharla amtza" (now my stomach is nicely full). If you are hungry you won't even take to Sahaj Yog, you won't take to God. Even if God is standing before you you'll say, "First, fill my stomach, oh God, then I will talk to You." And when you eat the food the joy you get out of that also goes to the periphery, as usual. If it goes to a rational rock, as I said, then again the effect is deeper. If you start thinking about it, you feel, "I have had my food, others must have," and this and that and all those things. And then you think that "I must have more of this and more of that. I must have something more to fill my, feed my stomach." Now when you are - say, you have a limited stomach, you can't eat mounds of food. Some people can eat, I don't know, otherwise somebody will start arguing on that. Some may be eating quite a lot, I don't deny that. But normally people have very limited stomach. Then when your stomach is limited, you start thinking, "Oh! My stomach is limited still the joy of the Nabhi chakra is not yet complete, let me think of something else." So you end up with, maybe with alcohol, because alcohol you think takes no space in the stomach. You think it has a different spacing in the stomach? I have seen people drinking beer. I was surprised you cannot drink so much of water as people can drink beer! Most surprising, pints of pints of beer they can go on drinking, and they never feel satisfied. At this time, the movement starts towards the left of the joy. This is the beginning of the left side, we start. And that time, you think that by getting drunk you are getting into a very romantic mood, or some sort of a nonsense like that. Then you start spending all your time, wasting your life, taking to laziness, to inertia. You may take to drugs. This is, I would say, can reach up to the heart of a person or to the liver of the person. The liver goes on becoming solid and solid. The more you drink the worse you become. So, man goes on, wasting his time trying to get joy out of something which is so dangerous for your being. Anybody who says that drinking is very bad, people immediately say that "Oh, he is absolutely Victorian," or I don't know, whatever it is they brand the person. Now how to get rid of Nabhi complication? Because these joys are so temporary, you will see in every case. Now Nabhi joy is also very temporary. And you do not also enjoy it much, if you could, you would not go into it again and again. So the neutralising point is satisfaction. You should feel satisfied. You have eaten all right two morsels, feel satisfied - even with two morsels you will be much happy than like a Bakasur [Rakshasa eating a lot] if you eat a mound of rice. To be satisfied is the only way you can neutralise your Nabhi. In all your wants, material wants, there's no end to it. You go on supplying any number of things, you'll go on asking for more. But you have not enjoyed anything. You have bought one piece of cloth, you've made a shirt for yourself - you want to have another one because a person who is working in your office has got this kind of a shirt. So you'll run all over the world to find that shirt. But the one who is wearing the shirt, he's running all over the world to find a shirt as you have made! So this madness goes on increasing and the Nabhi chakra remains in a big turmoil. So one of the neutralising points, most important is satisfaction of Nabhi. At every point you should try to feel satisfied. "All right, if I haven't got it, I am satisfied." At that moment you will get the joy. "I have got this thing, all right I am satisfied." You'll get the joy. And others will be also in happy disposition. Imagine a man who is gregarious, living in a house. I mean you just don't like such a man, it looks so odd. [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi] So satisfaction is the only way one can enjoy. Even say, I am speaking in English, if you just see are you enjoying the satisfaction of it? Supposing I was not a Maharashtrian, I could have been born a Japanese, or a Chinese. And supposing I was speaking in Chinese with three thousand words, “ting tung tang,” then what who'd have understood Me?So again here we come to the same question, are we satisfied? Whatever we get. Those who are looking for amrut, for ambrosia, do not bother about the words, they just want to pick up what Mataji's saying is the essence - pick it up. That's how you are going to feel satisfied. Now the, we have seen now about - [the microphone is being moved]Shri Mataji: I was even satisfied with this heavy stuff.[Laughter][Cut in the audio][This section is not in the talk]“Jaise rakha ho taise hi raho” (as Kabir said, “Whatever way you keep me I’ll enjoy”) This is the theme of Sahaj Yoga. “Jaise rakha ho taise hi raho” For God the human race really... has remained in that condition, in the happiest [UNCLEAR]. With the greatest happiness, having been that way. If you want, I can eat more, more on a daily basis, or I can walk. If you do not want, I will [unclear]. The depth of Nabhi chakra, can see, you have learnt... or can be felt. Satisfaction. And a person who is dissatisfied would be dissatisfied with everything. For example if I want to be dissatisfied now, I can say, "Why do you put it up, two colours before Me and this dirty handkerchief?" Or I can say something else. There's no end to madness, if you start with dissatisfaction. But if you start with satisfaction, then that's the point. You don't have to go further - this way, that way - you just go deep.In Marathi language also some things can be said “Mala udatatsa nai, mala tsalatatsa nai, tav lawala ki gele, asasts kara tasats kara”. Such a person is such a headache I tell you (laughing). He is such a person as soon as you see you feel, "Oh God, what have I done today to deserve this?" A person should live in this world like the flowers. You can't see them, how they bloom, what time they bloom. But when they bloom, can only feel their fragrance, their love. Satisfaction you cannot have without Realisation. So before that, if I say, "You should be satisfied," it's just brainwashing. You cannot be. After realisation, because you have found that what satisfies your Spirit. That's why your priorities change. You get satisfied for nothing at all. You may do lots of labour to achieve something and you can be [an] absolutely frustrated and unhappy person, and you can be all the time blaming yourself. And the same person can be the happiest person. Some people do this much of work.You tell them: "Go and get a flower.""Oh Mataji, very difficult these days, You know?" Started. To get one flower, it means,"Nowadays it's very expensive, You don't know. It used to be one pies, now it is at least two annas. Very difficult.""Accha baba, take two annas and go and get it"."But how will I go? The bus is very difficult these days..." Started. "The flower will never come, your two annas will be lost. Your bus fare will be lost." So a person who is satisfied is the most efficient person. Our country suffers from Nabhi Chakra, that's why we are very inefficient people. For everything we have excuses. Like, "This is not working, because this was not working." Our inefficiency comes out of Nabhi Chakra problem. If you are a satisfied person, your work is very satisfying also. If a lady has a good Nabhi, when she cooks her food, with very little food you feel very satisfied. Whatever she will do will be excellent. So for all Nabhi problems, one mantra one must remember is of satisfaction. Now we go to Void, though in the seven layers it is little confused with Nabhi, but we have to see to Void also. In dharma, in sustenance, we get happiness about it. When we try to be nice to someone we get happiness out of it. But some people who are supposed to be dharmic can be horrid. So boring that you would like to run away from such people all your life. They are supposed to be very religious people, they get up at four o'clock in the morning, torture everyone around, then they do their aarti, rubbing of, what you call, the sandalwood. Then having a bath with a big stotra going on. Everybody must wake up. Maybe, the mother has slept very little - she is looking after her children or something, something going on - they must disturb everyone, saying that they are dharmics. Very hot tempered, angry people. This dharma can be neutralised in a very, very simple way, that, dharma is your own concentration, inward. Like you want to donate something to someone, it's just between you and God, there is no expression of it outside at all. If you are honest - God save Me from many honest people, I tell you, some of these so-called honest can be so blunt that you cannot go near them. They think if they are honest then they have a right to cut everybody's throat. [Mother speaks in Marathi] In Marathi language you see, we have beautiful names for such people you see. Who are ‘karmathas’ and absolutely ‘dandeshahi’ we call them, ‘dandadharis’. Such a pundit if he is going from this side, go from the other side of the road. Otherwise he might just hit you hard. You ask him, "What is it? Why did you hit me hard?""Because you are not supposed to take your parting to that extreme of the head. Mataji has said, 'The parting should be in the centre!' "But it is for you I have said it not for anybody else. It should be concentrated on yourself - the dharma is for ourselves. "Mataji has said..." I am surprised sometimes at what I am saying. So many people have this bad habit of going around saying, "Mataji has said that this should be done. Mataji has said this should be done." I don't know if I have said it or not. But why do you say? You should say, "I say." Why don't you say that "I say as Sahaja Yogi."But it is all your own. It's your own clearing that is important in dharma and not anybody else's. There's a relationship between you and your Guru. Direct. Supposing you come and tell Me something that "Mataji, this is between You and me." That is between you and Me, though I'm not bound by it, not at all. If it is necessary I may speak it out, but 99% I'll keep it that as a secret. So it is the secrecy of your own dharma. The beauty of it is like this. You see the subtleties - ‘sukshmat baga’. If you are a dharmic man - it's so sweet, you know? Suddenly you’ll find the shine appearing like a diamond suddenly, with all the facets. Suddenly you'll find a person, "Oh, what a beautiful man he is!" But you are not looking after yourself, looking after everybody's dharmas. Then the same thing will happen, that the joy of dharma will only be felt if you limit it to yourself. That cannot be shared. Virtues cannot be shared. Can I share My virtues with you? I cannot. You can support it. Somebody has the virtuous man, then you can support him. But the joy of that dharma, that rasa, falling into your heart, nobody else can enjoy it. You enjoy your own chastity. It is of course written, "Thou shalt not do, thou shalt not do..." These are all commandments have come, but they can come only from God not from you. Once you start doing it to others, you are finished! You have lost the joy of your dharma. Now we have one Mr. Kulkarni here, his dharma is like that. There are moni like Mr. Patil is there. So many like that. I mean I don't want to name any more, otherwise "j" will start, jealousy. But we have lots of people, who have a dharma within them, which just shows you, suddenly. And you try to test them, they will just tell you, "Pan Mataji, tejat amtsa tsukel dar" Absolutely on the point of dharma if you are, you will never teach dharma to others.Preaching religion is against religion. You cannot preach, how can you preach religion? I cannot understand, till today I have not been able to understand, how can you preach religion? We can only evolve our own, imbibe our own, except for the people who are incarnations. They can tell what is religion, but they cannot put religion into you. And when you start enjoying that religion within you, you start having that more and more within yourself, then you start respecting yourself. Your self-respect comes in. So, we take it to this, that religion is the respect. The neutralisation of using religion for wrong things, is respect. Respect every other person; respect his religion. Respect the principles of other religions, of religion I am saying. “nai tu utlen ani lagle bhootatsa mage” (meaning:”Otherwise you will get up and start running behind bhoots! [so I’m clarifying] "). Again discrimination should be there. I am saying respect the religion that is within you and the religion in another person. Maybe, secretly that person is very religious. Outwardly he doesn't show off. All the centres, if I have to talk it will be too much. [Shri Mataji speaks in Marathi to some Sahaja Yogis: “Should I tell everything? Are you enjoying? All right I shall talk for another ten minutes.] Whatever you say, I have no desire. So we come to religions, which is a part of Nabhi. The satisfaction of religion is only possible when you learn to respect other people, their religion, their styles. Because in Sahaja Yoga very commonly... There is a Marathi word for that, "khul." In English I don't know. A 'kink', kink, I think is the word. That, "He’s catching there, she’s catching there, Mrs. that thing is catching, is that thing is catching..." Is a crack in the head. For Sahaja Yogis it's very common:"Are [Hindi], what is catching in you? Everybody is caught up by you and here you are, "That person is catching there, that person is catching there. This person has this catch, that - another has that catch." This is how Sahaja Yoga is going to improve, or fall down? Without telling that person, without talking to him about it, you can correct his catches and your own. Why are you catching? Because you have some weakness. I never catch from anyone. So to denounce somebody or to put down somebody is not proper, that shows that you have less strength. So you should say that "Mother I have less strength and because that person has so much of this kind of a vibrations I feel little bad." If the whole world is all right and then you are going to feel all right then what's the use of having this light? Just think of this. That we'll say that "All right, I am the light and I have to give light, I am a realised soul. But when all the lights are all right, then only I will be with them." So what a light-and-a-half, what's the use of having such a light? We should have such lights that can go in the darkness and finish the darkness.That light is the light of dharma within us. It is not - how many times you meditate, how many times you sit in the water, put your feet in the water, or use My photograph or what you do and all these rituals - it is not that, it is how much dharma is within your heart. Sharayu's mother is another very great example, of that dharma. There’s so many of them, but I'm mentioning all the senior people because you don't feel jealous of them much. So try to imbibe the dharma within yourself. And then you will see eventually you'll become a very generous-hearted person, very generous-hearted because you starting tolerating everyone. Even generous as far as money is concerned, that's something so gross. I mean, a person who is a kanjus (stingy) of money is absolutely gross. But beyond that is tolerating other people. There are some people who have a nice house - they don't want anybody else to come in. In London it's very common. I have seen in England, very common. They'll have a huge nice house, all the time they are cleaning, sweeping, swabbing, putting, polishing. Even rat won't enter that house! And they used to say, "You have a open house or what?" I said, "Yes, I mean you have a closed one?" I didn't know what is a closed house? Say, "Our comfort is ours. Saturday, Sunday should be our own and we cannot share it with anyone," that sort of a temperament. Then you start tolerating, you become generous. You start giving for others. Giving vibrations. So, you know that I have told many people who catch on Nabhi or void, that today you do some daan (charity). So they will go and give it to Indira Gandhi, because they want a seat in the election. This is the specialty of rational people. [Mother speaks in marathi] So do some daan. There are so many places where one can give gifts. Of course Sahaj Yoga is one of the greatest places where you should give daan, but...there are so many places. But don't remember and go and tell them that "All right, I'll give you five rupees, but you will have to put my at least initials in the marble. Kan-ju-sha! You don't see initials, of mine, in the marble, with the black. Generosity just flows, it flows and emits by itself and you just starting enjoying it. Now the most important Chakra is that of the Jagadamba, is the heart, and this gives you joy. At a point where you have relationships with your children. "Udara charitanaam vasudhaiva kutambakam," (meaning) “The people who are generous, for them the whole world is their own children.” For everyone the love flows. Everybody's worry is the worry of that person. This comes from the centre heart that you try to mother every person. That feeling is there. But the anti, anti-joy people are, "This is my son, this is my daughter. Now the son will bring a dowry, so keep some good food for him and to the daughter give her some dahi bhaat (curd with rice)." Then goes little further, "This is my son and this is my daughter. I must get all the money in the world, live like a miserly fellow, to spend in the marriage of my children." Why? Then? What happens to you? You are left high and dry, children go away, then don't even look at you. Then, "This is my father, this is my mother. This is my daughter, this is my son, and I have to look after them after all. So I can make some black market money, what is the harm after all? You see I have to look after." This is rationality against the heart. The ones whom we so-called protect, we put them into sin! Go further, "This is my son, this is my daughter. They must become prime ministers after me." Or they must get money. "So what can I do? He is my son, he is looking after me, this is my son; he knows all these things that I have done. So, after all even if the whole country goes to dogs what does it matter? I am a mother/I am a father, I must look after my children, that's my first and primal duty." So the joy is absolutely killed. Because you see your children misbehaving, you see your children going to dogs. You see them going away from God to hell. Many parents are responsible for sending their children to hell. They are supposed to be looking after their children. Then the other extreme, of course you know that, when you get such examples then the reaction comes in where like [in] the West: you just don't care for your children - throw them in the dust. So, these protective measures we take, or these paternal feelings we have, should be without any attachment and fear. Any fear! Insurance. "Children, must get insurance money, because tomorrow we die, what will happen to them?" What about these birds? They never insure themselves. So insure yourselves, insure everyone, go on worrying about your children. (Mother speaks in Marathi- "Keep this for your daughter, as her dowry"). All sorts of efforts we put in to give protection because we have fear, we have fear of the future. And this fear of the future could be got rid of; then our protection will be at a time when they need the protection, when they do not need the protection we are not going to give them any protection. Then only our protective joy will be complete. So the protection is given by the Goddess to Her bhaktas, not to abhaktas, not to rakshashas. But you people do not discriminate in protection. To you a son who is born who maybe a rakshas also, "Doesn't matter, give him protection." Others are to be protected from him, but you are protecting [him]. People are frightened of your son, but you will be protecting him still, giving all protection and encouraging him to kill others, removing their protection and giving them fear. So what is the essence? First and foremost is, essence of Heart Chakra is security, is to feel your own security yourself. Feel your own security within yourself. Only the realised can feel that security because they know they have their Atma - their Spirit. At small, small things, we destroy our security; like supposing you wear a blue shirt and a black pant - finished, you can't walk on the street because everybody will start criticising. You will wear a red pant (trousers) just to match with the blue one, and get some trouble. But you cannot wear something different because the whole world will be saying, "Oh God you are wearing this and that!" So the complete security within yourself is that, that you are the Self and these things are not important. If you are a secured man your children will also find that out, that, their security lies in finding their own securities. They themselves will say, "Now, don't try to help us to spoil us. Do not give us things by which we feel more insecure." And such children would be really brave children, like Shivaji was. His mother gave him all the protection no doubt, but she made a Shivaji out of him. Any mother who all the time sort of, we see hankers after the son or the daughter and weeping and crying, must know that she has to create a Shivaji out of him because, she is a sahaja yogini. They have to carry the swords of their Mother. These crying babies, what are we going to do with them? Feel your own security, and then the joy of that security will take you to your depth. Why are you insecured in life? Money? Kasli vivanchana! (which account) The person who has God, who has got now the blessings of the Divine, what more does he want? Because your God is Almighty. Nobody's might is greater than that of your Father's. Nobody dare touch you on any point. But your faith is lacking and that's why start with your faith in yourself. Make the faith sit in your Heart Chakra, and that faith is going to give you the joy of security. Faith is the answer for all the insecurities of the world. “Aata tsa bunda Parameshwar uba kelata samor tumhi. anhi ti kai paijay?” (Meaning: |”You have made the Parmeshwar stand in front of you, what else do you want?” ) So now we come to the chakra of Vishuddhi. Vishuddhi Chakra can be divided into two is: here and Hamsa, there are two chakras. And Vishuddhi Chakra is, as you know, is the chakra of Viraat, where we have to seek ourselves in others. We have to seek our Atma in another person. We have to feel his Atma, we have to feel everybody's Atma, we have to feel everyone else, we have to feel it. And how to do it, Krishna has taught us, is madhurya. “English madey kai shubda mana?” (meaning: “what do you say in English?”) Is the sweet... is the sweetness. Madhurya is the essence of sweet. Feel others with the sweetness of it that, you are going to feel a flower; you are going to smell the fragrance of the other flower. Which has a different fragrance from yours. Feel that person with that sweetness as you feel the flower. How you catch the flower, how you smell it, how carefully you don't even break a little of that so that you get the complete fragrance. That fragrance you can only feel if you have that sweetness, that mamadhuryaadhurya. And that sweetness of yours is so joy-giving. How you say things sweetly, how you express yourself sweetly. But in Marathi language, very difficult! [55 minutes Mother speaks in Marathi.] Gujarati's are sweet to talk. “Pan tenza Nabhi gelele” (meaning: - "but their Nabhi is spoilt.") I think the sharpness of tongue, the cutting nature of tongue, sarcasm, the so-called brilliance of expression, sometimes it is better to be with a buddhu (fool) than to be with such an intelligent man who is all the time “shap shap shap”, going on, hitting you, morning till evening. Then you say harsh things, then develop a guilt. Then you develop a guilt, then you have to say more harsh things. It goes on. So this kind of a behaviour is because when we speak we do not have a sensitivity to feel another person. Put yourself in the same situation. How will you feel? So at the Vishuddhi level - madhurya, such a simple thing it is. Develop. You have to develop a method. Especially Maharashtrians must develop [Mother speaks in Marathi.] The sweetness of your tongue, the sweetness of your talking, the sweetness of meeting people. The whole the thing, you know, the sweetness itself gives you such a joy to meet such a person who is so sweet and nice. [“Tu ala ki ge failawar” Mother speaks in Marathi.] Anybody who comes to your house must wear a shield. [(Mother speaks in Marathi.] So, it is important that the language should be extremely sweet for a sahaja yogi. On that point they are going to judge you, I can tell you this much. Sharp-tongued people, nobody's going to accept. They'll say, "He sahaja yogi ahe? He Deva, amala tsa waita!“ (meaning: “this is a sahaja yogi? oh God, I am going!”] The other antithesis of this is - in Marathi it's better said is: [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Is that - even if you cut the throat with a hair, you won't know the person has cut your throat and still he is talking to you so sweetly. These are two extremes, which are very dangerous for Sahaja Yoga and for sahaja yogis, the centre is very easy that when you speak to someone, say it with your heart. Say with the blessings of your Atma. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Sometimes one has to say something sharp, it’s important. Specially for Me, which is a very hard task, but I have to use sometimes some very sharp language because nothing goes into the head sometimes. But you people better avoid it. You leave it to Me, because I am so good at this, that from one side I'll say something, the other side immediately I know how to plaster you, properly. So you don't try these tricks. You see, this is My style, which is a very difficult thing! I do say things, but they are hitakari (meaning: ‘which do benevolence’). If I even harsh with you sometimes, if I scold you sometimes, sometimes I have to be sharp, you know that I love you very much - that, I've established within you. First you establish your love in another person then say [something]. This is the way you can overcome this problem of Vishuddhi and how do you learn? Just by witnessing. Like two nice friends talking to each other. Just witness how they're enjoying. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Just witness the drama! You'll pick it up in no time, just like that. The sweetness will be flowing into you. Become so soft in your behaviour, in your countenance, in your faith [Mother speaks in Marathi.] People should say that "You are a realised soul, I can see that." It should be so evident. So give up your last practices and habits. Try to be friendly with each other. Shri Krishna's beauty was that He had friends... Gopas. And what was the quality of the Gopas compared to Shri Krishna? You see? But how He got friendly with them. Friendship. Friendship! Now, how I am to describe to you the friendship of it, you see? [Marathi sounds like: "Jivashchya khanthashya mitra."] Marathi language has great words, which I think, which you cannot express in English. But in friendship you'll find that enjoyment. But if you are not a witness, then what you will see? “Kiti paishe dile undhar, azun paishe parat gele nai“ (meaning: “How much money I gave hime, that much he didn’t return”) In friendship it works both ways. You'd never trouble each other but whenever there is difficulty, you can smell it, you can feel it. In Sahaja Yoga it has happened, miracles like this. One lady told Me, that she was in great difficulty once and she didn't know what to do. And she just thought of somebody who was a sahaja yogi, she said, "Just now if you can come, my problem can be solved," and there was a knock and he was at the door. And she opened the door and she was surprised, and he solved the problem. She said, "How are you here?" He said, "I don't know why, you know the bus stopped here, I felt like getting down and seeing you." So this samuhik chetana, this universality, you can feel it on your Vishuddhi Chakra. So that you become a part and parcel of the Viraat. Once you are fully part and parcel, all of you can feel each other. But without sweetness you cannot. Imagine the nose fighting the eyes and the mouth fights fighting the ears: what will happen to a person? Same is the condition of Viraat today. Sometimes the ears are blowing, sometimes the head is blowing. The Viraat doesn't know what to do, because you all are fighting with each other. Think of something sweet. But in that universality is the point, not one person “Karan te amche barobar, College laute madun” (meaning: "because he was with me in the college,") Because he was with me in the college is not there. Because you are born of the same Mother; you have the same Mother. Out of Her Sahasrara we are all born, that's why we are all brothers and sisters of equal merit and credit. This is what one has to feel. So for Vishuddhi Chakra: universality through sweetness, the sweetness of relationships. Hamsa Chakra is a part of Vishuddhi Chakra on which I've spoken very little and which I would like to speak also later on, on a very, very bigger scale one day. Is the Abstract, the Inner Current of all this Universe that is created, it's Pranava itself which is so pure, complete purity within yourself, absolute purity. Nothing but vibrations. That is only possible through developing your vibratory awareness and your discrimination. Nothing but vibrations - your vibratory awareness is the only way you see, smell, feel, everything through vibratory awareness. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] I have seen people behaving funnily in that also, like in everything they'll say, "Let me see the vibration of this, let me see the vibration; let me see the vibration of that." Then they'll say, "Your vibrations are not all right. His vibrations are not right." This is not the way to make fun of vibrations. A state must come when you don't have to see vibration, just feel it! That should be the state, that sign [that] your pranava is full. I never feel anything, neither vibrations nor any chakras, nothing. I have to ask you, because for Me nothing catches! Imagine such a gross person, nothing catches. Nothing I can feel, where is the problem - I have to ask you, "Baba, where is the problem of this gentleman?" It is so bad. But only thing that happens is that anybody who comes before Me just gets it, gets cured, and I’m nothing but vibrations. When you face Me, it just works. When I speak, it works. I don't do anything, rationally I don't understand. But these vibrations themselves, the energy goes, works it out, that works it out, that works it out. It works out all over, in the whole world. I do not consult It, I do not ask It. It's working on Its own. If I want I will ask, otherwise I will not. If I don't want to feel you, I will not feel you. There might be a rakshasa sitting next to Me, he might be shivering, but nothing will happen to Me. I can stop his shivering if I want to, if I don't want I will ask him to shiver. I am not bothered! Because when on vibrations the responsibility is there, on vibrations, which is My Light, I leave them alone. They are very well trained (the vibrations). They know everything, They are absolutely pure, as My name is, they are absolutely pure. I have no problem with them. I play here and there, that's a different point. I try to cover them up sometimes, I create a maya, it's different, that's another style. But as far as the vibrations are concerned, they are absolutely pure. That's why they are so effective. So keep your vibrations pure. Without any intention. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Just now as I was coming, Modi was saying that "Mother, we pray to You that 'let all the good people be elected for the election.'" I said, "As far as vibrations are concerned, let them go to this extent that they can create an atmosphere of understanding, but purification of vibrations is your job." If you are negative people, if this country is filled with negative people, they'll get negative rulers. Then they will learn through and understand it and get out. So this is it. How far can they go? See they will act, do whatever it is possible for them. But it is your freedom which has to decide, so how it goes out. Then we come to Agnya Chakra, which is the Light Itself. That is the one that enlightens your attention. Agnya Chakra. That is the Light by which you see everything, after Realisation. And when you know you are the Light, and when you know that you are the Eternal Light, that nothing can kill you, "Nainam chidanti shastrani, nainam dahati pavaka." (from Gita, meaning: "It cannot be pierced by weapons, It cannot be burnt by fire.") Once you know that in your Agnya, then all the fears and domination disappear just like that. Because it is the Light of Love that does not dominate nor is afraid because it knows it is eternal, it is not afraid of death or of crucifixion or of anything. So to allow the joy of Agnya to penetrate within you is to stabilise your Light. In that Light you will enjoy your sacrifice. Like the martyrs who kill themselves with joy. In the same way whatever trouble you have to put in for Sahaja Yoga you will do it with joy. Anything that you have to face, any kind of sacrifice. Now the Sahaja Yogis are of a great understanding, have developed a lot, but in the beginning we had sahaja yogis - you don't know what headaches I had with them. They used to say, "Mataji, we went there to talk to that man and we had to take some tea on the way, will you pay for that?" [Mother speaks in Marathi.] How much Mataji is going to pay for this and how much Mataji is going to pay for that and how much She is going to look after us and how much money we are going to save out of this arrangement or that arrangement is calculated first of all. And by coming to Sahaja Yoga if you can become a leader, or if you can get elected, all these things were calculated. But you have to become the Light - the Light that never dies, which is above all the joys. The Son who crucified Himself for the sake of His Mother's work. Who carried the cross, in the presence of a Mother who was so powerful. Such children you have to be to carry the light. Sacrifice. The enjoyment of sacrifice. Otherwise... [Mother speaks in Marathi.] ...troubling your Mother for nothing at all. How much you can sacrifice - "tana, mana, dhana." [Translation: "body, mind, wealth."] [Mother speaks in Marathi. Translation: "I don't want your wealth. But sometimes money is required."] Sacrifice, for your emancipation, for your Light being kept alive. Early in the morning one has to get up at four o'clock - it's too much for a English people. That is the greatest sacrifice. You can tell them anything else. If you ask them they'll give you £10, but don't wake them up in the morning, because if they have to do dhyana in the morning is horrible, then if you ask them to take a bath, that's the worst of all! To get up in the morning, have a bath and then do dhyana, is too much. But for Indians [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Here Indians will get up - if you tell them four o'clock - [at] three o'clock, have their bath, four times they will have, sit down for dhyan, and all that they will do. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Sacrifice, what all do we sacrifice - these stones, and this dust? For what? For the Eternal Light. [Mother speaks in Marathi.] Tenchya peksha (“Compared to that”) out of proportion. It's out of proportion you are going to get. This is not sacrifice, this is not even the slightest [fraction of] the value of what you are going to get. Out of proportion it is. I don't know how to tell. It's out of proportion. But that proportion you can only see when you have Light. When the Light starts it goes to eternity. In the same way this Eternal Life encompasses the whole world, and you know the whole world within yourself. So the last chakra is of Sahasrara, which is a very important centre because it is in the core of your heart, it's surrounding your heart, and all the seven chakras have got their seats there. These are the seats which receive the joy and communicate to the heart. In Sahasrara, if you are there, already so many things you have got. You've got your vibrations, you've got your powers. But it's the most tricky centre. It's a Mahamaya. Kalki in a Mahamaya shape. Is a complete illusion. In the Sahasrara, the joy of Sahasrara is the joy of the entire thing, because all seven seats are there. If you can capture your Sahasrara, in complete recognition of this Mahamaya, complete recognition - which is a very difficult thing because always a maya is there - then, there's nothing to talk about. Then see how your heart enlarges, see now. Just recognise. See the expansion of your heart, it will cover all your entire being, just recognise! That's why we have puja here. I have allowed you to have My puja only for one reason, is that's the only way you can recognise Me by seeing vibrations, by seeing chakras, by feeling them, by getting them more, by correcting yourself . This is why I've agreed to have these pujas. But if you do not recognise, and do puja, it is useless for you, it's very bad. Just recognise! (Mother continues in Marathi for 45 seconds)

1/1/1980

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Advice for Effortless Meditation

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Advice for Effortless Meditation. London (UK), 1 January 1980. In the same way the vibrations, the vibrations are coming, they are radiated. What you have to do is to expose yourself to it. The best is not to put in any effort. Don’t worry at what point you have a problem. Say, many people during meditation, I have seen if they catch somewhere they go on looking after it. You just don’t have to worry. You just let it go and it will work by itself. Is going easy? So you don’t have to put in any effort. This is what meditation is. Meditation means exposing yourself to God’s grace. Now the grace itself knows how to cure you. It knows how to mend you, how to settle down itself into your own being, keep your Spirit kindled. It knows everything. So you don’t have to worry as to what you have to do or what name you have to take, what mantras you have to do. In meditation you have to be absolutely effortless, expose yourself fully and you have to be absolutely thoughtless at that time. Supposing there’s a possibility, you may not be thoughtless. At that time you have to just watch your thoughts, but don’t get involved into them. You will find gradually as the sun rises, the darkness goes away and the sun’s rays go into every crevice and every part and makes the whole place lighted. In the same way your being will be completely lighted, but if you put in an effort that time or try to stop something within you or try to give it a bandhan it will not. Effortlessness is the only way to meditation, but you should not be lethargic about it – should be alert and watch it. The other side could be people just doze off. No! You have to be alert. If you doze off, nothing will work. That’s another side of it is. If you are lazy about it, nothing will work. You have to be alert and opened, absolutely aware, completely effortless - absolutely effortless. If you are absolutely effortless, meditation will work the best. Don’t think of your problems at all, whatever chakras you have, anything. Just expose yourself. See when the sun shines all the nature exposes itself to the sun and receives the blessings of the sun, effortlessly. It doesn’t put in any effort it just receives itself when it receives the sun’s rays, then the sun’s ray’s start acting and activating. In the same way, the All-Pervading Power starts working. You are not to manoeuvre it. You are not to do anything about it. Just be effortless, absolutely effortless. Don’t take any names. Do not bother if your Agnya is catching, this is catching, that is catching. It is working out. It will go on working as long as it can and it will do the miracle that it has to do. You don’t have to worry about it. It knows its job. But when you put in an effort actually you create a barrier for it. So no effort is needed, be absolutely effortless and say ‘Let it go, let it go’ – that’s all. No mantra’s to be chanted, in case you find it’s impossible - then you can take my name, but there is no need even. When you put your hand towards me that’s the mantra, sufficient, this gesture itself is the mantra. You see there’s no need to say it more, but the thought, in the mind, the emotion should be that we have to spread our hands to that and it should work. When this emotion is absolutely complete, there is no need to say any mantra, and you go beyond it. So, one has to be absolutely effortless, absolutely effortless. That is what it is. Meditation is for your own ascent, is for your own capital gains that you have to have. But once you get into it, you also achieve your powers. Like, you become a governor then you get the powers of the governor. At this time you don’t have to think about anybody else. You are not put your attention to anybody else but just receive it, just receive it. Do not think of any other problem, but that, that you have to be effortless, absolutely effortless. It would work best on the people who are just receiving it. You have problems - that’s why you are here, but you cannot solve them, they are to be solved by Divine Power. This must be understood fully, that we cannot solve our problems. It is beyond us to solve our problems. So leave it in the hands of the Divine Power and expose yourself effortlessly, absolutely effortlessly. Sit in comfort, and properly with both the feet on the ground, with both the hands relaxed like this. Be comfortable, you should not be uncomfortable at all. Be free comfortable. Because you will sit for quite some time. And you try to put your attention to me, within yourself, if you can, to my Kundalini if you can. You can come into my Kundalini and it will be done, just like these the hands should be like this, straight. So effortlessness is the keyword, absolutely effortlessly, whether you are meditating before me, or before my photograph.

Advice for Effortless Meditation. London (UK), 1 January 1980. In the same way the vibrations, the vibrations are coming, they are radiated. What you have to do is to expose yourself to it. The best is not to put in any effort. Don’t worry at what point you have a problem. Say, many people during meditation, I have seen if they catch somewhere they go on looking after it. You just don’t have to worry. You just let it go and it will work by itself. Is going easy? So you don’t have to put in any effort. This is what meditation is. Meditation means exposing yourself to God’s grace. Now the grace itself knows how to cure you. It knows how to mend you, how to settle down itself into your own being, keep your Spirit kindled. It knows everything. So you don’t have to worry as to what you have to do or what name you have to take, what mantras you have to do. In meditation you have to be absolutely effortless, expose yourself fully and you have to be absolutely thoughtless at that time. Supposing there’s a possibility, you may not be thoughtless. At that time you have to just watch your thoughts, but don’t get involved into them. You will find gradually as the sun rises, the darkness goes away and the sun’s rays go into every crevice and every part and makes the whole place lighted. In the same way your being will be completely lighted, but if you put in an effort that time or try to stop something within you or try to give it a bandhan it will not. Effortlessness is the only way to meditation, but you should not be lethargic about it – should be alert and watch it. The other side could be people just doze off. No! You have to be alert. If you doze off, nothing will work. That’s another side of it is. If you are lazy about it, nothing will work. You have to be alert and opened, absolutely aware, completely effortless - absolutely effortless. If you are absolutely effortless, meditation will work the best. Don’t think of your problems at all, whatever chakras you have, anything. Just expose yourself. See when the sun shines all the nature exposes itself to the sun and receives the blessings of the sun, effortlessly. It doesn’t put in any effort it just receives itself when it receives the sun’s rays, then the sun’s ray’s start acting and activating. In the same way, the All-Pervading Power starts working. You are not to manoeuvre it. You are not to do anything about it. Just be effortless, absolutely effortless. Don’t take any names. Do not bother if your Agnya is catching, this is catching, that is catching. It is working out. It will go on working as long as it can and it will do the miracle that it has to do. You don’t have to worry about it. It knows its job. But when you put in an effort actually you create a barrier for it. So no effort is needed, be absolutely effortless and say ‘Let it go, let it go’ – that’s all. No mantra’s to be chanted, in case you find it’s impossible - then you can take my name, but there is no need even. When you put your hand towards me that’s the mantra, sufficient, this gesture itself is the mantra. You see there’s no need to say it more, but the thought, in the mind, the emotion should be that we have to spread our hands to that and it should work. When this emotion is absolutely complete, there is no need to say any mantra, and you go beyond it. So, one has to be absolutely effortless, absolutely effortless. That is what it is. Meditation is for your own ascent, is for your own capital gains that you have to have. But once you get into it, you also achieve your powers. Like, you become a governor then you get the powers of the governor. At this time you don’t have to think about anybody else. You are not put your attention to anybody else but just receive it, just receive it. Do not think of any other problem, but that, that you have to be effortless, absolutely effortless. It would work best on the people who are just receiving it. You have problems - that’s why you are here, but you cannot solve them, they are to be solved by Divine Power. This must be understood fully, that we cannot solve our problems. It is beyond us to solve our problems. So leave it in the hands of the Divine Power and expose yourself effortlessly, absolutely effortlessly. Sit in comfort, and properly with both the feet on the ground, with both the hands relaxed like this. Be comfortable, you should not be uncomfortable at all. Be free comfortable. Because you will sit for quite some time. And you try to put your attention to me, within yourself, if you can, to my Kundalini if you can. You can come into my Kundalini and it will be done, just like these the hands should be like this, straight. So effortlessness is the keyword, absolutely effortlessly, whether you are meditating before me, or before my photograph.

1/2/1980

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